The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked The Most Athletic Players In NBA History | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: August 26, 2026

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We are going to pick the most athletic players in NBA history. We have 20 players to be shown. We have to decide by the end of seeing all 20, which three deserve to finish on the podium. Naturally, we'll put a player in first, second, and third. As a new name comes up, we decide they get to kick somebody off or not until we see all of them. Okay.

Let's do it. First name, Zion Williamson. Well, I guess technically has to be one now. Only name? Yep. Don't have one. Currently, Zion Williamson is the most athletic player in NBA. With Loki, at his peak, he kind of had like somewhat of an argument.

Yeah, we'll do everybody at their best. 27 point per game Zion is crazy athletic. I don't know if he'll stay podium, but he deserves to be in the running, I guess. Okay. Start off with one Zion. Next. Wilk Chamberlain. Bubs on down to two.

303 at this point is that big of a gap. Well, it might be the most athletic player of all time. You have certain people that hear the myths and believe them. They're saying Wilt was benching 500 pounds. They're saying Wilt was jumping 60. One inches in the air. They're saying, Will, cured cancer. It was going to buy NBC, but they weren't trying to let him.

Will it was the first man on the moon. Okay, so let's put him out one. My NBC is my favorite line. It's so good. All right, next up. Michael Jordan. Okay, Zion 3. Are we putting Michael Jordan above Will's?

Nah. It's not a combo video? It's a combo. I think so, but I think Zion might get it just because No, over Jordan. Oh, wow. You're going to keep Zion over Jordan? Potentially only because they can jump like the same, they jump the same height.

Zion is 100 pounds heavier. Give them credit, difficulty points? It's harder? It is. Having that combination of strength and size and still being able to be that level of explosive, I think gives you an argument to be more, to be a better athlete. If we're just pure athletics, like he might, He might get that not.

I think the Jordan agility, though, and the flexibility moving through space while being that fast and being able to jump up high, I think the wiggle makes that the other difference to me. We're big on flexibility here. We love flexibility.

It's like a requirement. Yeah. Zion shows zero flexibility on defense. Yeah, if you're not flexibility, if you're not flexible, get out of my face, I think Zion goes to three. Okay. Zion to three,

Jordan, the two. Next player, Victor Wenbanyama. How do we gauge this? I think I'd leave Wembe. Ah, actually I don't know. We're talking about flexibility. seven foot five being that flexible being that being that number you can put his legs behind his head i think i've seen him do a split before do a back foot yeah i've seen him do splits too

he's super flexible because no the hell he can't what do you mean yes i can show you a video i can show you a video you're telling me right now you tell me right now you got video it wouldn't be in a full nothing slow down I'm really getting him credit

for being seven foot five and actually being going to move side to side and attack off the dribble most guys are seven for five can't move anywhere close to the way he can if so then fuck we got to put but Zion's a crazy athlete

is he doesn't got to be better than Zion I do think that like Hmm Listen, peak Zion is different though as an athlete Nobody's ever been

more different than Wemby Do we would Jordan off No, because Jordan's above Zahn Do we want to rethink that? No, we got to sit there

logic here Ah I mean I was making the argument for Zon before Yeah, we don't have to I think

I think honestly we can leave Wemby off do you don't want to go with the unique athleticism here Hype is an athleticism

they both have of unique. Yeah. I'm fine we'll leave him Wembe off. All right. Wemby stays off

he's honorable mentions. Okay. Next. Russell Westbrook. Ah, stuff. We booted up Zion for Russ.

Must athletic guard of all time potentially? Bro, I don't want to do this anymore. Right. His top of ridiculous.

This is hard. I think we gotta boot Zion off. Yeah, I think Zahn got to go off because the stamina that Russ plays with two. Yeah. And the relentless motor.

Yeah, that's a part of athleticism. He's also strong as hell for his position. Yeah, put Russ at three. Pound for pound might be stronger since he has a lot less pounds. Is he a better athlete than Jordan?

That's a convo. Minimum he's third. Is he? That's a good conversation. He breaks onto three for sure. I can understand it. I think he's... I don't think he's as flexible as someone like Jordan,

but when it comes straight up strength and just like brute your get off off the ground. Jordan does have more agility and can do a little more side to side stuff. But even young Jordan had a power to his dunks. Yeah. But I think Russ might have like a top five like... power power in his in his dunks. We can keep Rush three. Yeah, I'm fine keeping three.

Okay. Yeah, I think the, the nimbleness, the agility of Jordan keeps him above. In air, too. The way you can glide in air and make these. Yeah. Yeah. Like the, what's the wording here? The way he can have the like hand-eye coordination mid-air to be able to be flexible

and do finishes while being airbound, he's floating forever, it's different. Maybe that skill more athleticism, but it kind of goes together. All right. to put rush at three for now. We can reorder. Janice. Man. Okay, that's just bigger rest now.

Nobody's ever been six foot 11 that fast and can actually handle the ball. Like nobody. Besides maybe Wilts. Who's won? Damn. Like, is there anybody

that size and that powerful that has that good of a handle and can actually move in space? Not really. Can actually move in space? I would make the argument in a different era. Maybe KG could have moved.

Janus is way faster. In the open court, way faster. And jumps higher. So, okay, so the conversation is him and Russ. Or him at Jordan, low-key. We can get crazy. Janus is insane. 2019, Janus, he was dunking with his feet on the ground, like Wembe,

was the fastest player in the open court. His crazy stride length, crazy flexible, can actually attack off the dribble. Well, we got to have somebody... He jumped over Tim Hardley. Bro. Yeah. He's more...

I think he's more flexible than Russ, too, with how he can, like, contort and twist his body and all types of awkward angles. He has to be, right, he might be two for me. Yeah, I think, I think Russ is gone, for sure. Yeah. Do we, is Jordan's three. I think Jordan's three and Janus is two.

Because it's a different combination of things. He excels in every single metric. The height makes a big difference. Yeah. Locking in Janus at two? Yeah. Donovan? Donovan?

Yeah, I think Janus is two for me. Okay. Okay. Yonis at two. Next player. We understand the precedent that we're, in here, right? It's hard to beat people

that are that big and that fast. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Next player, John Morant. Bye. You're not even on the podium right now.

I'm not mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know who belongs to that, but yeah. Okay. No word. Sorry, man. Next name.

Next name. Vince Carter can't be on the list. Very insane Leaper, obviously, and crazy power dunker, nowhere near the athlete overall as these other three guys, I think. Yeah, he's not even closer. I'm not going to say, this is Jordan.

I loki kind of disagree. I think this is, because this is part of the reason why a lot of people are frustrated with Vince Carter and how his career turned out because he was as good of an athlete as all of these guys. For sure.

He had all of the tools, but obviously couldn't put it together the same way as Jordan. Just athletically, I think he might have it. But does he have the quickness and fluidity of Jordan? Like I know when you say he's just as good athletically,

it's the bounce and the size and the strength, all that, of course. Strength, But does he have the fluidity and the quickness of a Jordan? I think that's a big gap. Yeah. Even his first step.

I think he's fluid. He's not slower. He's not saying that. But Jordan is insane. He's jumping over people. He's on over me. I know. There can only be three.

It's tough. That's not the only metric though, you know? Yeah, it's tough. His leaf is 99. No, 100. No, but if we're like at a crossroads, I say you jump over people, you don't. Like, that's a pretty cool tiebreaker.

That's a pretty cool tiebreaker. It's quite the equalized. I want to vote. Jordan stays on and Vince is with Zion as a next best Arnold mentioned. Yeah, I'm taking, I'm taking Vince off. Okay. Okay.

Got to do what we got to do. Next. LeBron James. Fuck. LeBron! I mean, he's on the list. He's a better athlete than Jordan. It's close, but we've got to kick off Michael Jordan.

Michael Jordan has to leave. Yannis versus LeBron. Asp. 2013, LeBron and Janus are pretty similar athletes. I think LeBron has... The vertical. differences is so insane to me. I also think LeBron has better hand eye than Janus. I could, you can get me there.

How do we quantify that? I think because I think when, and part of it is like Janice doesn't, Janice is so big that he's not jumping as high and he's not like hanging in the air like that. But LeBron also can hang in the air and still have the body control to have certain types of finishes. Or passes. And he also is, he's more nimble. Like even in something like

Yeah. Like the game winner against against Toronto where you're going right And your body's turned this way You're able to float it off I think he I think he has more Slightly more body control than Yon Yeah

And young LeBron you go watch like a 2007 LeBron James clip He's like nimble in space like Derek Rose Where he's doing these jump stops And jumping up and finishing These crazy layups Jumping side to side Like he has way more fluidity

If Yannis and LeBron got on the line Sat turned their body And shuffled end to end of the court Lebron's smoking him Yeah, that's not close. When it comes to body control, me,

you shuffle race right now, who wins? Me. When it goes to a bar, for sure, me 100%. For sure. I'd be in Pilates,

bro, every week. Fair, fair. I'm cooking you. I'm cooking you for sure. I don't know. I'm quick feet. But you get the strides

are hard to make a word. Don't even talk to me about this. It's not even close. I don't know if you're picking me. I have really quick feet, but your strides are so much bigger that stuff. We'll see. We'll see.

But, bro, when it comes to body control, one of the things that, yeah, No, it's not even close. This is a non-convers thing. It's not, it's not even close at all. But, um, bro, one of my favorite passes from LeBron James that will never be remembered to NBA history because it wasn't a made shot is when he was with the Lakers and he was

up in the air contorted his body and threw a pass behind his fucking back. And I think you threw it to Danny Green. Yep. Someone missed. I forget. But it was ridiculous. And it was a preseason too. It was preseason?

Yeah, it was the first preseason game of 2020. Yeah, I think, I think Bron is one. one one i think i think he might be more athletic than than will you know what fine as a way to fight back against myth building and saying that we'll invented athleticism we'll put lebron at one okay lebron at one next player jack fuck obviously as powerful and nimble as yonis but doesn't have to speed in the open court he he once did he was like very close yonis is really fast if we're going peak for peak? Does he have more power than he loses in speed? Yes. So was he a better athlete than Janus?

I think so. The power's insane. Like it's 100 at a 99. Granted, listen, equipment was different. He's breaking back. Well, sure, yeah. True. Yonis would too if they didn't invent the breakaway back for, you know? They did it because of him. True. Mind you. Well, ain't even break nothing.

Fucking fraud. In the 60s, he didn't, he didn't break out. anything. He had ample opportunity to break rims never did. Daryl Dawkins did. Shack did. Will, best athlete of all time. How do you know what never broke a rim? They would have told us. They would have made sure to tell us. You're right. He would have told us. So he's above your honest. That's not an easy combo to me, but if y'all are confident, I'm cool with it. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You can't just put. I don't know. I don't know. We can't do it. We can't do it.

Damn. Trying to do that. What happens next? Is he over, Rianis? I would say so. Are you going to Shackle-O-R-Yonis? I don't know if I can go

shackle-ri-onis confidently. I don't think I can. Because even once he, even once he ballooned up and once he got heavier, he could still, he can still move. Tell Yianz to put on 50 pounds more and I don't know how much he's moving on.

Yonis has put on a lot of weight since he was, like I meant, he literally gained 50 though already. Well, who cares? Why is it the meter? We don't want it to put that much weight on. Again, add another 50. Now you just want to make him obese.

Because Shaq is 400 pounds. Who's in the same way? Whose fault is that? We don't need Yonis to do that. I'm just, no, what I'm saying is to still be able to be that, to be that heavy and still have all of that. But when he was a heavy,

he was nowhere close to the fluidity of Yonis. So, like, it's not like. He still hasn't, though. He could still run up and down very quickly. 380 pound shack would get dusted by Yonis. So like, it's proportional. It's not like he kept up with him. That version of Shaq is also putting Janus in the room.

I guess, but that's not an athleticism. I'm saying, yeah, well, I'm saying it from a power and strength perspective. Right, where are we going? I think I'm going young and landing Yonis eventually. I think he just checks off more boxes for me. Although, like, Shaq checks off like the biggest box possible, which is strength and power and shit. We've set a precedent of caring about fluidity and side to side and all that stuff. we'll keep on us on there

Chad goes honorable mention Shaggos honorable mention All right Him and joining it's crazy That could only be three If you want to move some You can move Wilts I give I care less about him

We can't move Willis You can't move Willis You can't do that if you want That's the real problem It is Wilt is Yeah I don't think it's a problem

He's like Wilt Next player Dwight Howard Hey man put it That's not a mention We just agonize over Shaq Dwight's going to honorable mention. He had a moment, though.

He did a moment. Those got to respect the moments. There is a moment. Talk about a moment. He is the moment. Had a moment. Yeah. But if Russ can't stay on here,

if Russ had to get booted off podium. Super hell, though. We can't really do it for Rose. Yeah, not at all. Put him down. Man, what a moment he had as an athlete. Tough. Kobe Bryant.

Put him down. He's not on the podium. Damn. Yeah, he's probably the least athletic player you've seen so far, beside shot i don't know if anybody else is getting on the podium yeah this might just be it it might be tough to break out yeah d way peak for peak eight man he ain't crazy fast had the bounce can't touch podium conversations i think we're we talk about speed yeah blinding flash fluidity body control like that's listen he might be as quick as shacky's strong he had a moment man

he had a run a lot of moments to be had huh Some would say history is full of moments. That's what life is. Someone said there's always a movie on a collection of a moment. Yeah. And boy do we remember them. And he had a bunch. All right.

Putting D-Waid and honorable mention. Next player. I hate that. Anthony Edwards. It's going to be tough to break into the tough. Okay. He's not podium. Different conversation.

Him or D-Wade athletic. D-Wade. D-Wade. D-Wade. I think D-Wade, like, was the fastest player in the league at all point. I never felt that way by Anthony Edwards. He's pretty fucking fast, though. He is fast, but no one ever ever.

called him the fastest. Yeah. Yeah. Can Ant jump high? Definitely. Definitely. Like not a conversation. Higher than D. Wade?

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I don't know. Dwayd is stronger. I don't know. No, no, no, no. Do you?

I don't know. So are we putting D. Wade above him for speed? His speed is probably more impressive than ants for jumps, I think. So their strengths, I think weight has a little higher strengths. But it's probably more athletic in certain things. But also the fluidity side to side, I think, do you weight smokes him. Yeah.

And it's a little rigid. Okay. But he jumped way higher. Ant goes into honorable mention. Next player. Dominique Wilkins. Ooh. Hey, man.

He's tough. Can he get into convos for Janus? It's tough because I think he's pretty similar to Yonis, but Yonis is 611 and way stronger. So he can't be above Yonis. He deserves a lot of thought, though. He's in the same realm, like in between Vince Carter and Michael Jordan. Yeah. In terms of athletic.

Is he more athletic than, than, Vince? Low key, maybe. I would say so. I think he is. He was fluid as fuck. Yeah. I think he is.

I think the, when we started talking about the combination of fluidity and power, he definitely is up there. And for somebody to have the amount of power that he had. Yeah. He came off the Achilles,

looking at the exact same as well. Hey, that's a different athlete. But we can't put him on podium. No. He's not. We might be locked. Honestly,

it might be kind of hard to break in here. We might be. We are locked. We've been locked. Okay. Next player. David Robinson Can David Robinson

Can David Robinson compete with Janus? He definitely can't He's like Yonnes, he can move You put them in a race Yeah Yon is my win This might be the first big man To make it close

Is David Robinson more athletic This is really tough Because they are Because they're built the exact same way too And it's tough though Because in each other era If Yonis played back then He'd probably bulk up a little more

And move like David Robinson If David Robinson He'd be a little bit lighter Run like Yonis Handle like Yonis they're very similar. I don't know what the correlation is, but Dave Robinson is left-handed,

so shout out to you. That's a fun fact. I'm glad you know that. I might give him the nod. Because he's left-handed. Because, I mean, they are just so similar, and I don't know where the line is. So how does this correlate to athleticism?

Janus is better at getting two layups, I think. It might be a handle thing, but I think part of that is your ability to jump in space and get around people. I don't know. They're damn retarded. Being able to take people off the dribble and have that extra handle, I think there's some athleticism involved there.

It's not just skill. You mean that's coordination too? That's the coordination. Yeah. But the coordination, like in terms of like post moves and having your footwork be good, Dave Robinson, I think, is better at that than Janus. That's where I get you. That's just both what they focus on in their area.

Fuck. I think Janus is a little more transcendent in his version than David Robinson isn't his. If David Robinson had Akeem's footwork, I'd be with you. I think Yonis has the Akeemian. equivalent for a big handle and attacking off the dribble, you know, moving in space. Man, pack well up. Damn.

Damn, bro. I don't, I generally don't know. I think Dave Robson has to not go on the podium. There's no arguments to toppling on us. If we're gonna, if you beat so many guys, we can't let Dave Robinson be the one to take him off. Why, Dave Robinson is. I know, I know, but there's just, we need like an argument that makes it very clear,

I think. And I don't think it's clear enough. Sorry, David, man. I want to make space, but it's tough. Only three, man. All right. Next player. Blake Griffin.

Sorry, Blake. Showing us the old wash version of it is so funny. He looks crazy. Sorry, Blake. Shout out to Blake. He could be in maybe Zion conversations, not yonous. Yeah. Aaron Gordon.

Sorry, AJ. Sorry, yeah. Dunk legend. A men Thompson. Okay. Is there any combo to be had? This is where we're. we get into conversations.

Maybe a little, little bit conversation. Man, is Yonis? It's so hard. Because every time it's like, oh, it's a combo.

It's fucking Yonis. I understand, but a man might be, a man might be, I mean, this thing. I think that he's one of the three best athletes that we've seen.

I think I, do I think that? I don't know. See, it's so weird because, I think he, he moves, he's definitely up there because

even right now, when we're in this era where we're seeing like the best athletes that we've ever seen. A men is one of those guys that you watch him. He just moves completely different

than everybody else. So I think it is a conversation. Obviously similar to the way that Janus does because Janus is at that level two. I think the, I think the quickness from Amman is what would put him over the top

in terms of his differentiating skill versus Janus. He's quicker than Janus. Not really inference though. that extra four or five inches makes a big difference in that he is quicker than yonis against he should be because he's but you know like when compensating for height i don't know yonis is like the one of the quickest six 11 guys ever there's six seven guys as quick as a man not a lot not a lot but like not a lot obviously not you say like all time yeah yeah yeah okay

like right now right now right now i don't know i don't think anybody in the league is seeing a yeah yeah yeah as far as that what i did yeah i agree for pique you know there's other six seven guys that are insane first step and quickness. Nobody else does what Yannis does at that size. But even and a man's not like, I mean, Janus is both up, but a man is not some crazy, heavy

dude and he still has insane power. I don't think he's insane power. He's strong. But no one's calling him like the strongest in the league or one of those guys. Yeah, he's good power. Let him get into a fight. See what happens. I mean, I saw what happened. I saw we did a entire hero. Ragdolling. Ragdalling.

People. Do you think insane power to me screams like Yonis or Zion or something like that. And I think that's like very big thing. He can punch it. He can punch it. It's weird

because he hasn't developed those skills to like really help attribute to like getting more buckets. But like if we're we're putting them both in a in a combine I think we would leave more impressed with a men.

I think that to me underestimates how impressive height is when doing all this. Maybe. But also I I think what this. I mean this is just where where we go where like

that's against them. will should be back up at one that's why he's two what do you mean oh you're saying like you should yeah like like if if that's if that's going to be the the differentiating yeah no i i agreed i didn't i didn't necessarily think we had to put lebron in one but we didn't i wasn't going to argue but we already did it so it's fine but he is basketball yeah right the fuck if he's like arguing basketball like okay my vote is yonis stays over a man but i do i do understand it's tough but i think if we let yonis beat michael jordan david robinson i don't think we can let a man get through. Yeah, no, I think it's just a different

comp, like he's so top tier at so many things. And a man, he's top tiered at a lot, but I think he, there's some things for me personally when it comes to strength, where it's just like not as much of a conversation compared to Janus. And it's just the freak factor of it all. Honorable

mention? Locking it in? Yeah, he's honorable mention for me. Tiana's bro. Same right, man. Bigger, taller, faster, stronger. I mean, I'm at road to, yeah, put him in up. You think he's not right? Peak for peak, it's just as quick. Like not right, like it's disrespectful. Like, you're like, oh, it sucks.

Like, it's crazy. It does suck. It sucks, yeah. Sure, it sucks. It's because you like him. It does suck. No, because I, I think the one that I'm probably the most, like. It's a will.

Nah, in terms of the people in honorable mention, I think Shaq. Okay. I think Shaq probably had the best argument. Does he the first cut? Yeah. Yeah, Shaq's probably the first cut here. Who rounds out top five? Maybe Jordan.

I would go, yeah. So after, after Shaq, it's either, it's either Jordan, Robinson, Wembe. Zion. Zion. That would basically have a top 10. Throwing Vince Carter and throwing Russell Westbrook. We got a top 10. Russ, Russ is top.

Russ is top 10. Is he top 10 over Dominique Wilkins? I don't think so. Throwing Dominique Wilkins and Russ. We got a top 10. Vince Carter, sorry. There you go. Is that the next seven?

Who's like the worst athlete here? I don't know why John Moran's on this picture. Like a great athlete, but like it's different. So after all that debate, a man, isn't even top ten? Is he the worst athlete? Who are you looking at? Ja. Peek Jha?

Who would you consider? He's just like, he's just no power, so it's just tough compared to all these guys are fast, jump high and are stronger, I think. I think Aaron Gord is the worst. Could it be? Blake? No, no, Blake. Aaron Gordon could be the answer for sure. Blake,

Blake was able to move. Yeah, it is, it is Aaron Gordon. Blake also had, especially with a lot of his dunks, his, his redirection, like so many of his dunks

are like coming off of spins and him going like full speed, stopping, and immediately being able to transfer all of that into power and jumping up. Like, I think Blake is, is crazy. Yeah, okay.

I can agree with that. Okay, yeah, I guess. Yes, it is J. Jah or Aaron Gordon. I think it's Aaron Gordon. Yeah, those two can be the bottom. Then maybe Kobe or Dwight is the next one to be cut. Yeah.

If we had to cut three, it's Aaron Gordon, Jha, and then Kobe or Dwight. Okay. Dwight's obviously strong. This is not a crazy mover. He's also not flexible for shit either like that. Dwight or Jai? I think I've ultimately leaned towards Dwight because... There's a lot of Jaws in NBA history.

Yeah, there's not a lot. Let me not say a lot. That's not, they may not gas it. But there's Jaws. There's athletic bouncy point guards over time Like, like,

is John Jodd that much more athletic than like Young Baron Davis? I don't know. Like it's not a huge difference. I could have put like John Wall on here too and he wouldn't have better than that.

Yeah, like John Wall was faster, a little thicker to still jump but it can't help like Jha. I think John's a great athlete for his time for sure. I don't know if he screams like in the all-time combo to me

and no one, neither is Dwight. Yeah. There's a ton as athletes there's a lot of centers as athletic as Dwight, I think, in history.

I don't know about that. When I say a lot, I'm obviously not saying like 100. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A fair amount to not necessarily touch the top 10 or anything. Yeah, he's not top 10. Especially just athleticism,

because there's a lot of crazy athletic centers that suck. Like, if Jericho Sims had like high-end skills, he's insane athletes. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of guys like that that are buried. Yeah. Derek Rose or D-Wade. D-Wade.

Derek Rose was fast, too. Yeah, I think God. And he had power. He had power. He had power. Wade had power. to go through people. Rose had power because he's like fucking aggressive dunker.

But I think his posters, he wasn't like going through you in midair, you know, just in the mass. I mean, I was jogging. With his layups, he had absurdibility to like contort his body in weird ass angles. Like that shit he used to do when you're 10 years old. Yeah. Wade has that as well. I don't know if it's to D.Rode's the level because D.

DeRose basically like one out of every three layups, he's doing something like that. but Wade was like the king of like circuit shots and turning his body around and just flipping it over his shoulder. I think the power is probably the biggest difference here. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. That's that's a that's a very tough one too. That is a hard combo.