The Deep 3 Podcast - We Picked The NBA Teams With The Best & Worst Vibes | Ep. 186

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

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The NBA trade deadline is officially behind us. You know, a couple weeks ago, we sat down. We ranked every team at the midseason point. Talk about who's up, who's down at this current given moment halfway through the year. Let's go the other way. I don't care about who's the best team, who's the worst team. Today, we're going to talk about vibes. Oh, man.

Put you stats down. Let's go. Let's get to work. Hey, Das is not looking NASTAs. He's looking at new C drops. You're lying. We're going to rank the top 10 best teams with the best vibes in the NBA right now. and the top 10 worst vibes in the NBA right now.

We're going to go through. We're going to do both. After that, we're going to sit down. We're going to do all the news of the week like always. Shout out Beesols. Second episode with him here, officially on the team full time. Yes, I am back, y'all. I am here to stay.

Everybody was happy to see him join the team. Everyone's excited. Here we go. First Monday episode with Beesoles. We're going to do some TikTok time at the end. Lots to talk about today. Probably going to be a bit longer than a normal Monday episode. Should be a good one.

Donovan, Truth, what were you looking at? I was trying to see if I could find the Nike rules I just dropped. They sold out last week. I've been looking for it. Oh, my God. Cue the intro music. Let's talk about some vibes. We're throwing it back.

Whoa. That's crazy. He was bragging. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. Crown eaters rejoice. Our first question for today is, do you want to start with negativity or positivity? Obviously. Always negativity.

Okay, naturally. I knew the answer to that question, but I had to make sure you were the one to say that loud. Make sure it was clear that you are setting the tone around here for negativity. Let's rank the worst vibes in the NBA. Perfect. And I think before we get into this, we got to qualify. What are we meaning by this? What quantifies a team having bad vibes? Locker room, got to be stinky.

Fans, more importantly, got to be upset, uptight, mad about how things have been going and feel like recently. Things that qualifies as bad vibes. Yeah, just things don't feel good. right now and I think there can be some good teams on you that bad vibes absolutely it'll probably be mostly bad teams because you know typically winning cures all but just to say winning does not preclude you from having terrible vibes we've seen plenty of teams in the past that have horrendous vibes while winning but we're probably going to skew towards the stinkers who pops in your mind first as the worst vibes in the league as of march monday february 9th we are we're

ranking these right now or just or just putting 10 teams down loose ranking you know whatever I think if you're a good team and you have bad vibes, it feels like worse vibes in general because you're supposed to have good vibes. And right now, one of the worst things to like happen to, and not necessarily kill a locker room, but at least kill your fan base, is for someone like your head coach

to come out here and criticize your players and basically call them like a target, call them weak. And for number one for me right now has to be the Houston Rockets. Of course, like they've been down bodies. They already lost Fright Dramaly before the start of the season. They recently lost Stephen Adams a couple weeks ago. He's going to have Sergio on his ankle, I believe.

And then you got your coach, I mean you doka going out here talking about how, yeah, like, our friend Stung-goon is a cone. Teams do like to hunt and target him. Terrible vibes right now. I'm not going to lie. That is true. And I don't care. You said winning doesn't remove you from this conversation.

That is precisely the thing. I don't care that you just beat the thunder. There was no shade in that game. There was no J-Dub. And that game was a struggle. And they had to come back and fight and claw to win that game. When I watched the Rockets, they are the number one team that I'm looking at. It's like they need the all-star break to happen today.

Like they need a break. Everybody needs to go away. People were getting at KD on Twitter. They're like, you don't elevate anybody. He was getting back and forth into people. Yeah. Like they, they, for all the reasons that you said, their defense has been, has been a messed the offense. This has honestly been like one of the, the big concern about the Rockets offense

without a point guard is always like, all right, well, you know, fourth quarter crunch time, how are we going to get these buckets? And their answer has always been Shangoon got us, KD got us. That is not working. And it takes so much and so much from everybody else, so much scheming up from Ime, Udoka, where if that doesn't happen at a 10 out of 10 level, they're in trouble. I like your point when you introduce the Rockets mode that being a good team with bad vibes makes it feel that much worse. So I think we index highly there because if you're a bad team, like, you're not really expecting the vibes to be good. You can get over it because you know we're tanking is what it is.

So my take hits on Friday. Exactly. When you're a consender and you're so all in in a way that you have to be because you just brought in a 37-year-old superstar, the vibes hurt even more. They're magnified. And I think we can do a little bit hating today on the Houston Rockets. Absolutely. I think we do a little bit hating today on Opera and Shangoon. Let me get some agendas off.

You've been way not it. Yeah. There's a lifelong criticizer about French Nguyen. Not exactly a hater, I wouldn't say, but I've been a realist about his points of development. I had to give him to him early in the season. He was hit in threes. And all I said last year was if he's not going to be a rim protector, he's not going to be an efficient score overall from the rim like you'd want to be as a big man. He needs to hit threes or have at least a viable mid-range jumper for me to really let the playmaking carry as much of value as it should.

I gave it to him. We did our rankings in January. I put him in top 20 because he was hidden threes and you kind of did exactly what I wanted to do. The playmaking was beautiful. Has not been hidden jumpers for a long time now. He's looking a lot like lashes out per and shangoon. And then he went out here and you called a female rep a bitch.

Mobile times to her face. So now we don't got to give him any goodwill. That was crazy. That was insane. And he apologized. Three times. Three times. He said it three times on the way out.

Exactly. So no got to give no benefit for the doubt today. He has not been playing an all-star for quite some time now. And he just made it as a replacement because he got the early stretch with the year where he was really good. and the team is still good. But it's been a while since he's been consistent enough

that you can view him as a top 20 player in the league. It's been like two months now where he's playing closer like he was last year, which is not a bad player but he needs to be better. He does.

And I, for the Rockets, like, because I watched them and because the vibes are so bad, I'm giving them at least another week and a half. Like the week

and two weeks post all-star break is going to inform a lot about how I feel about about the Rockets. Yes. Moving forward just because their their energy is is so low the the issues just feel like you are 100% at that you know point in the year but he got locked up by the Charlotte Hornets the other day amen the Charlotte

Hornets they're like a nine 10 game we've to win streak right now and that's that's fine worst game of the season by far single digit point total that's tough that that that can't that can't happen especially when you are getting every opportunity that you need to go and get buckets. You know what? I think we should do this. I decide we should do worst vibes first.

I change their mind. Let's bounce back and forth because you mentioned the Hornets. They're clearly the best vibes in the league right now, right? Like, they're clearly going to be the number one on this list that they clearly get a spot

with all the games are winning in a row. Like, is there any close second for best vibes right now? Nah, man. For the Hornets currently, this is the best of things I've ever been for you.

You've never won on a ever? Ever? 10 game win streak. Currently has to be, at least in their modern history, bro. Like,

you have someone who, It still is in the race for a rookie of the year between Cooper Flag. And then you also have your number, what, two overall pick just a couple of years ago, finally being healthy in Brandon Miller, looking like every, every ounce, every bit of like a lottery pick in a victory winemianma draft, bro. And then, of course, like, you got your role players, Sion James going in a hoopin, Musa Diabate, being an actual player, being a real impactful player, then Caldrenner soon off the bench being productive. Like, this is the best things I've ever been for your team in a lot.

long time. It's kind of remarkable. Like, this is insane to see this type of midseason lead from a team. It feels like a few years ago when the Thunderstar games got together in the second half of a year before they got really good. Now, do they have that type of feeling? I don't know yet. Like, who's to say?

Obviously, that's like, that's the best outlier development of a young team we've ever seen, young champions of all time. So hard to say that's the path they're on. But they're clearly on the path to be like a good playoff team next year, I think, assuming this is real. This is a third, like a fourth of a season now, they've been this good. That's a good sample size to say this is real. it doesn't it's not a coincidence

it coincides with them finally having their three stars their three high picks healthy together at the same time seeing the vision with these three six seven ball handlers and you mentioned Diabate finally giving them some good big value in the middle as a great rebounder his rim finishing is so much better than was last year last year Diabate was a fun interesting player

that missed a lot of fucking layups this year they're going in everything is going well for them right now like it feels like a true midseason leap and forget about playoffs next year let's talk about playoffs this year fact they've joined the playing race Yeah, they're going to be, they're going to be in that, in that race. They, based on how this second half of the year is going, they're going to be in the playoffs, they're going to be a seven or eight seed.

Obviously, we don't ever expect a lot from, from those teams. A lot of times those teams get blitz, even in the Eastern Conference, whenever like the one seat isn't like the Oklahoma City Thunder. But they can, because they are so potent offensively, they can give people trouble. And they can be a very frisky. you know hard hard out team like i think if they play the pistons in the first round it is going to be super interesting with with everything that that that that Detroit is able to do defensively the energy that they play with on that side on you know opposing the firepower in the shot making that

charlotte is so opposite right now like if you if you tell me that we're going into game three of that series and now it's one-one because charlotte went crazy and hit like 17 threes in a game okay like i can i can see that right now so yeah this is somewhere that i never thought that the hornets would be. And good for them. Like, this is, it's just cool. Like, whether or not, whatever it, whatever comes from it, it's cool to see, especially a team built around La Mello Ball, who had so much doubt around him and whether or not you can win with him. It seemed like, three months ago, he was closer to Trey Young and John Morant where he was going to be the next guy shipped out than it was, he was going to be one of the best players on a team with this type of run. Thanks. Donovan,

are you saying these are the we believe Hornets? Low key. Wow, man. Listen, I could see. It wouldn't, it wouldn't be crazy. Yes. Yes. Let's, let's start that agenda right now. I'll print the T-shirts myself. We believe Hornets. That is what it feels like, isn't it? Like, that's not crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So, so, so yeah. They're the, we believe they can get to, because they played like the seven. Like, I wouldn't want,

if like the Knicks end up at two, it would be super frustrating to have to play the Hornets in the first round. Oh yeah, especially a team like that's like flawed and has ways to be gotten with like the interior defense. Like,

like Concanip was just going to be doing the steam dash dribble round cat ball and seven games. Yeah. It's going to be annoying. Yeah, I can totally see that. Going back over to worst vibes. I think there's a team we have thrown on here.

We don't want to talk about them too much. We'll keep it moving back to best vibes. Pelicans. Oh, easy. Nothing new has happened as of late. But they should be won overall for the entire season. Just because of all hilarious this shit is. We've talked about it at length.

Worst team in the league, no picks. No one prospect to speak of coming into this next draft. It's just funny to not have your pick and be this terrible. I haven't seen that in quite a long time. The other times we have seen that, we've been talking about those teams as being on the wrong end of some of the worst. of all time. Yeah.

So easy pick. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think best vibes. My second nominee probably has to be the Detroit Pistons. Obviously, they could have been number one, but they've been so consistent throughout the entirety of the year.

Everyone's been talking about Dylan Dern being all start for the first time. Cade Leap, Kay's the top 10 player in the league currently. Dennis Jenkins got his contracts actually fully guaranteed and all that. Everything's working out for them. They currently, they don't have the same record as OKC, but they have the same amount of losses. in the season for what now take that take from that what you will but that is impressive nonetheless because you know like they just they're consistent and they're like sort of finding themselves as a tier one tier two team in the league yeah they're going to win 40 before they lose 20 yeah yeah the

age old signifier of being a true contender they're going to smash that 30 and 38 and 13 right now no one saw this coming i think we all knew they to be a good playoff team no one saw them being the best team in the each and conference by far so again this is more of a season long vibes rather than current day right now at the Hornets but they deserve it yeah i agree back to worst um is it okay if i make a singular player nomination or i'm just going to know you can allow a singular player to shape the team's perception if you like let's see well there's there's the thing is like there's multiple teams in this i'm bringing to the stand cameron thomas okay oh and and the milwaukee books as signing cam thomas as

we need your assistance right now. I think the Bucks can certainly be on the top three worst vibes. Just with the whole Yonis thing and the whole I'm leaking things in the media but also saying I don't want to trade. The Koushi thing too?

The Kousi thing, sure. Yeah, like everything about the way Yonis has handled this has been bad vibes. I think Bucks fans feel good about it now because it ended with him still being on the team and he tweets, I'm never fucking leaving thing which they're like believing that

he had no parts of the leaking of the information about him potentially exploring trades. So it's a weird hodgepods of ups and downs for Bucks fans. So they can perceive it how they will. For the 29 other fan bases and everybody else that is not from Milwaukee, everybody is sick of this bullshit. So they certainly get to be up there. You add in the Cam Thomas now.

So when Yonis comes back, we're going to be watching that. It's terrible vibes all around. If I was Yonis, I'm firing my PR team today. Yeah. Because whoever, like going into the off season, there does have to be a new set of people advising him on how he needs to present himself to the world because right now this is one of the more annoying trade sagas of you know in terms of like NBA superstar trade sagas this this one is

very very annoying for sure and the camp thomas stuff was super interesting just because we had talked all day on deadline day especially with like with co-buhrie getting traded with jade and ivy getting traded about these small guards that are you know quote unquote bucket getters how the league is looking at you and saying like you can't play for me yeah and for the next to not even get any second round pick or nothing for Cam Thomas and to wave him that that was ridiculous

so you have Camp Thomas just being out here in the world and the bucks are in this position where anybody who has scored 30 points in the game you can play for the bucks because they need that much help they need anything that they can show up and put on a sign and show Yan it's like

we're trying like we're doing our best like the bucks are really and we'll get into the Cam Thomas more in the news section because we definitely got to talk about that and like where he's at in his career but compoundance of the bucks hilarious vibes yeah mo who else is a good vibe good vibe um i think some team that has to be immediately put on here as well similar to the detroit pisons is the spurs no one thought they're going to be this fucking good so fucking fast i knew that they're going to be good or at least i try to force that conversation but that was

solely off the strength of victor one banyama and the story that i'm telling myself in my head how special he is. He should be able to propel this team towards the middle of the Western Conference. And that's not even true. They're towards the top of the Western Conference. Now, of course, Victor Romaniana has been like everything has advertised, the best defender in the league, one of the best offensive scores in the league in general. But behind that, Stefan Castle just had like a 40-point game.

He's been better. 40-point triple double. What the hell? Nutshit hit hella threes and all that. De Aaron Fox has been pretty much as everything is advertised. And Dylan Harper has done. just like a casual number two overall pick who everyone just seems to forget because of how stacked this rookie class is.

The Spurs have some of the best vibes in the league. You got people like Kendall, Ken, Kelden Johnson, advertising himself to go ahead and be balled purposefully. You got 10 out of 10 vibes in that. Yeah. They got the new chant to the boom. Oh, yeah. Boom.

Boom. You did that every win. I haven't seen it ever since the Thunder win. I don't know. I'm not sure to do it. Probably. Can you just do it against the. they would do.

I think they were saying he's been doing that all year and people would just start picking up after the thunder thing. Yeah. That's like a European soccer thing that when we're bringing over, right? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I'm going to assume they do it every game.

It wouldn't be funny though. It's just a thunder. He definitely is just 10 times a lot of for the thunder. Fuck. Shit. Home green. It is done. Okay.

Back to worst vibes. Bezos, what do you think is bad vibes? Let me ask you. We've picked the first three. I think all three was I've picked one so far. I'm going to turn your question. into a question myself. Speaking of good teams with bad vibes,

I do want to ask Donovan, how are the vibes looking like in New York right now? Very up and down. Where are you up and down? You know. Ah, here you go. You know. You know how the vibes.

I just gave your team belt. You understand. I don't know why you set yourself up. Okay, so would you certify the vibes is good now? Of a one Celtics victory? Stable. Yeah. I think like they were on a winning streak

and then the Pistons clapped them on Friday night. No cat, no OG in that game, but they lost by 30. It was disgraceful. And then you come back, you beat the Celtics. They're in the top three of the East. Things feel a little bit more normal right now. OG didn't play yesterday either. So I think just to just wait in for everybody to come back healthy.

If they were on one of these two lists, which I guess is going to cover 66% of the league, I'd probably put them at the bottom of worst vibes. Okay. Because I do think that there is still a lot of stuff that has to be worked out. Like even yet, it's been happening all year, but like yesterday, Kat still doesn't have a great game. And you don't have, you don't have OG. Whenever, whenever anybody is down a player, you would expect other people get, you know, more opportunity. It's weird that I'm talking about the second most talented offensive.

the player is, oh, he needs more opportunity. When the hell is he going to get going? Because if he doesn't, then any type of ceiling that you can talk yourself into is not there. So I would, yeah, they'd probably be on worst vibes. Then I will nominate the Sacramento Kings as the fourth team on worst vibes. They just, they just have to be there. They didn't do anything at the deadline.

So bonus is still there. Trapped. Zach Levine's still there. Gonna take his player option. DeMarter Rosen hasn't been bought out yet. Oh, he's not being bought out at all. He's taking out every dime he can. You have to pay me more to leave.

Give me a bonus to buy all my contract. Yeah, there's nothing. There's no pivot at the deadline to be excited about. A lot of the worst teams in the league have worse vibes relative to like where they are now, like a month ago, did something at the deadline that you can at least say, okay, we got a direction. The Bulls added 150 guards. Okay, maybe one of them would be good.

Kings just sat there. Twitter their motherfucking thumbs. Stop that. We're doubling down. Put the Bulls on worst vibes. Okay. I do, because I do disagree on that like, hey, we did, we did something. If there's something that you did is clearly stupid and also clearly directionless, I don't, I don't think, I don't think they, I don't know what was that.

Yeah. They got a million, a million guards for no reason. At least one of them has to hit in some form, some capacity. That's not true. One of them has to do something. Okay, so first of all, they feel that's impossible. First of all, the bulls still do deserve to have worse vibes. I'm going to let you have it because they have infinitely terrible vibes. But they do have somewhat of a direction.

Like, they made the decision too late. They should have traded Kobe White and I owe it. assume we a long time ago. We all know this. They got no first round picks. Oh my God. And that's also why because it's a continuation of the bad practices that they've had. But at least they've kind of like, they got more assets.

You know, they did what they could. It was too late so they couldn't get first round picks, which is getting fucking crazy. But they did accumulate a bunch of second round picks. I'm interested in young swings. It's a direction. It's better than they've done in the past. What is the direction? Did you describe it?

Find guys with identity crisis around the league. It's accumulate assets, which in this case was that ground picks. the best they could do at the stage with all this, and buy low on hopeful reclamation projects you can flip later or just make them dominant in the ruffs. Anthony Simons, Jaden Ivy, really those two. I mean, Colin Sexton, cool. But those two are really-Rubilingham.

Oh, Rob Dillingham, yeah. Name mostly Rob Dillingham. Buy low reclamation projects that have high upside. I see it. I'm just confused why they all got to be guards. Like if you mentioned that same thing, but like there was an even spread of positions, I'd see it.

But like eight guards, dog, what are we doing? Josh, Gini, Powerful. Ford. No, Josh is legit going to be small forward, Montezemoiselle's power for it. It's hilarious. It's hilarious.

Yeah. But, you know, we're in practice doing dribble moves back and forth with each other. It's too much. Yeah. I think I was too many car.

Yeah. They got rid of the old. Again, it's, we're going to view them through negative glasses because they deserve it. But this is a step in the right direction. We need like 10 more steps before we're in the positive.

But this was a, they were good moves made. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Not amazing moves made. They're still on the bad vibes list. But they're not so rudeless as they were a year ago, you're before that, you before that, you before that, you before that, you before that, you before that.

How bad of a franchise do you got to be that just making a move is the right direction? He loves to doing something. At least they did something. Yeah. Good vibes. I don't know why we took so long to put them on here. Phoenix Suns. They're up next.

Phoenix Suns deserve to be on this list for the rest of the season. They are the feel good story of the year. Dylan Brooks is the vibe master. And I think a few years ago, people might have thought him as a negative vibes guy, kicked off his team. So by no means, will you be back under my motherfucking franchise? And now he is saving the vibes. Nick Sun single-handedly. He's not the only reason they're good.

He is the only reason their vibes are good. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the number one things that Delvin Brooks offers to the table as a NBA player who hasn't necessarily been the most talents or anything like that. You ain't got to be, bro. Have hella dog play hell of defense, talk shit and go ahead and carve out your niche in the NBA space, briny he exactly did that. Let's start talking about some teams that made moves the deadline because I'm curious where

they fall on this list now. The Clippers vibe's good. Traded James Hardin, brought in Darius Garland. That's a promising move in the right. direction, sold high as fuck on Zubotch, maybe we'll get a pick between five and nine in this coming draft. They finally have a future. Now, they did sell off what was seemingly a solid current day as they did this crazy

turnaround. Whiplash ensues, they ripped that shit apart and say, now we're looking towards the future because James Hardin said get me out of here, which I know he didn't ask for a trade, yad yada, but we already said, we're going to say what's best for the story. Sure, sure. So now they've completely reoriented their goals now future forward facing, which is cool because they had nothing there before, but the vibes current day watching them. player worse now because Kauai is less help while still playing amazing. Where do they fall?

I'm not going to lie. I think I have to put them towards best flies because as of late, they haven't been as good as they have been over the course of the last, I don't know, month and a half of the NBA calendar. But Kauai is still playing peak basketball. Kauai specifically looks like not even like one of the 10 best players in the world. Honestly, like you can walk up to me and be like, yeah, he's a top three player in the world. I'm like, yeah, you got it. Like last night or I think was yesterday, he played against Anthony Edwards in Minnesota Timberl's dogwopped him drop 41 and he looks like a clear tier above Anthony Edwards who is currently a top four or five player in the NBA today.

And then on top of that, of course, going back to what you said. They sold high on, high on James Hardin, really high on someone like Zubash. You got yourself an opportunity to land a pick that could bear out to really save your future. It's all like a big ass risk. It's a gamble at the end of the day. But overall, like your team that has. no gamble. Your team that was broke just a couple of days ago. So your vibes have to be the best. Yeah, I think it's a good pivot. And like you said, before this pivot, they were on good vibe

because of winning. Now their own good vibes because of pivot and selling high on the winning. Awesome. It'd been better if they could have sold Kyle Leonard, but obviously who's buying into that situation right now with everything looming. So here we are. Can't be mad at it. Yeah, it's always good. Also, when you can like, when you do control somebody else's pick and even though that you don't have control of your future, you know that that team sucks also. Yeah. And now it's, also in their best interest to to be bad to really, really just lock up those top odds. So that, that pick and that distinction of them being able to get five through nine was so interesting.

And it's, it's crazy for the Pacers, honestly. The more, the more I thought about it is like, why would you put that up? Like, I get that you want Zubot and that you want to solidify your team for next year. That's a gambling. That's a, it's a crazy, crazy risk. I don't think so it is crazy risk. they could look stupid. But I do understand that like they could sell themselves

that Zubotch is better to have than the eighth pick in the draft. So if it falls there, it's worth it for them. And like it is all or nothing bet that like maybe we have the best setup ever and we have A.J. DeBonson, Zubach in the door with the core we had when we made the finals. Like it really is a swing. And I think the downside is you still have Zubotch. So the floor isn't absolutely nothing. So I understand taking that risk.

Especially if we talk a lot, they're a small market team that's not going to have a whole lot opportunities at talent injections. So being able to have a whatever the odds. are, if they're top four, I think they have like a 55% chance to keeping their pick in the odds if they're one of the three worse teams. A 55% chance you add Zubach and one of the three next superstars in this league

to your core, that's a pretty good bet for a small market team, I think. It's tough. It is risky. It's just, it's risky knowing that knowing that this year was the setup year, knowing that it is the gap year, and you can do the things that bad teams do, that consistently bad teams do,

and get yourself one of these guys at the top of the draft. And if they end up at, if they end up at five and like you get Zubotch, like I guess cool, but it's just, it's going to be very, very hard to sit with that if that pick goes goes to the clip. Yeah. Do Zubash is an all-star level, all the pro, I mean, all NBA level player last year. Like, yeah. It's, I think we're underrated Zubach a little bit because he started the season off slow. And we kind of like, like, a lot of people wrote off the Cliverers weren't watching like that.

Even in a worst case scenario, given up the number five pick for Zubosh, like that's not a horrible, horrible downside. If Tyree Sali can get the best out of Zubosh like James Hardin did. the five pick I mean that's obviously that's the worst like you don't want that it happened yeah

but that's it's it's adequately outweighed by getting the number one pick and Zubach like if we get Darren Peterson Zubatch holy shit

you feel like the number one and that that would that would be very nice and for their sake like I hope that happened

do you think that so you feel like the number of five overall picking the draft and then another first round pick that's like fair no no no it's bad

I would not want it to happen but I think it's not so bad that like I understand the risk because if you get top four and keep it like that's insane. So I think it weighs out that it is a gamble. It is more risk than most teams are willing to take on. But I at least understand it from their perspective with an Indiana basketball team.

That's, that's, yeah, it's just heavy on Indiana. It's a big swing. But I applaud that. Most teams don't do stuff like that. And I can at least give them some points for gumption. Yeah. I agree. What do you do with the Cavaliers who bring in James Hardin win their first game with him?

I think have more hope now because they kind of felt desperate all season with Daris Goli not being there, Hardin will be there. And it's a good compliment. Travis Scott alone raised the vibes. Travis got to bring the vibes. Let's go. J.H. We call some J.H.

I don't know. The vibes were good. Let's go, J.H. I'm glad you said that. I don't know what the fuck he said when I saw the clip. He was yelling. Dude, he just loves to spread his mouth as wide as possible every time. I don't know why.

Being honest, bro. He just being all the time for no reason. That was crazy. Being honest, man. Making observations. But I honestly don't know if they belong on either side of this list just yet because I haven't seen me part of the conversation. But I don't know if the vibes have been worse. If anything, maybe I lean towards better.

But I'm super neutral on them right now. I'm going to say they're up. I'm going to say the cabs vibes are good. But are the top 10? Do they deserve to be in someone the 10 best? Or are they medium right now because they were so bad and now they got some short-term relief? I think they're, I think they're medium. But also maybe, maybe like the.

The foundation of it is cool. If the Daird-Garland Demitstah truly has been an issue for two years and you've had multiple off-season where they've had issues, making sure that that isn't going to be something where it's bleeding into the postseason. And your entire hope is on a guy that everybody is Loki like, man, this guy is not going to be here. Like he's going to be hurt. Here goes, here goes Garland's toe again. Like if the fact that that's not there, that might that might be. You know, so that's a positive.

And then even for James Harding, even with a lot of the playoff failures that he's had, people like James Hardin. Yeah. He's a decent vibe. Yeah. Well, actually, actually, I don't know. Some people really dislike watching the play stage.

At the start, though. True. At the start. Honeymoon phase James Hardin is the greatest vibe of all time. Yeah. Put the Cavs on best vibes. The Cavs get a honeymoon James Hardin. And because they have so much talent around him and they,

like he's going to activate these bigs so well that, you know, so did James Hart, so did Darry's Garland last year. Obviously hasn't been the case this year. They probably truly believe they can win the championship again with how wide open the East is. Give me 15 games to get acclimated with James Hardin and get the best out and really allow him to figure out the spots down who Mitchell wants to get in, figure out how to best set up. He doesn't even got to figure out Jared Allen. That's a match made in heaven.

If you tell me that three, four weeks from now, they look up and say we can win the East pretty feasibly. That's not unbelievable. And that's way better than the word before. They clearly are best vibes. Yeah, that's what they're telling themselves. Okay. I feel it. Celtics also get best vibes?

Easy. Jay J. J.J. St. is around the corner. Absolutely. I go ahead and write them, man.

Yeah. 100 and talk too much about. Go ahead and write them. What do we do? Skim past by them. What do we do about the Dallas Mavericks? Because they've lost seven in a row, but Cooper Flags has been going crazy.

Well, they would like to lose. That's ideal. And Cooper Flag taking a Starleap is ideal. That sounds like a win-win. Put the Dallas Mavericks in number eight. That's an amazing vibe. We're shooting her a whole load with a good vice,

right? I'll shoot it every time for Cooper Flag. He has made a true, true superstar league in the past two weeks. He had four straight 30-point games. As someone tweet, has Jason Teter ever hit these heights before? That shit's crazy. He has, by the way. He has.

Don't worry. Not in this rookie year, though. Not in his rookie year. Cooper flag is looking like he's going to be a top 15 player next year. Yeah. Is he a top 25 player right now? I was thinking that over the weekend. Because when we did our player rankings,

afterwards we're talking about our honorable mentions and all of us are like yeah like I really wanted to put Cooper flag on here by just like he was you know one of those first cuts in December he was the guy that we're looking at one of 41 42 anywhere around there for sure I have no idea what is what's actually actually reasonable or unreasonable right now and then even going into next year about how high I'm going to put Cooper flag in these right now right now you can talk to you to top 30 at this point right but the way he's been playing easily top 30 to me I mean I mean I'm in being hard than that. Yeah, seeing how like the creation along with the mix of touch has just fully coming together and just like again, I think I talked about one of the things I love watching about him is his overall like spatial awareness and how he's able to just have a GPS imprinted into his mind as where he's at on the court on both ends, which like really lends himself to make superstar plays on the defensive and when it goes all the crazy blocks and all that and offensively how we just able to just like navigate his pivots. And again, like the touch it's ridiculous.

So I view him now. Last year I thought it was like, yeah, like, cool, clear number one pick. And now I'm like, oh, shit, like, it's a motherfucker generational. Yes. Like, I was clear at the draft. This guy's one of the best prospects of the last 20 years for a reason. I will be shocked. Like I said, when we did a TikTok other day, I'll be baffled to he's not a top 10 player.

We had a discussion with him versus Katie Cunningham. And some people on TikTok, TikTok comments didn't like that. They were like, I'm easily taking Cade. My bro, to say easily it's crazy. Like, Cade might be better. Like, maybe he'd never hit that level. Yeah. It's obviously a chance.

that Cooper flag doesn't become top 10, which I think Kate is like the entry level of the top 10 players. I will be legitimately baffled if he doesn't become top 10. I think there's a way bigger chance he is one of the best players in the world than he's a regular star. Bad vibes. I have someone who should have been here a long time ago probably. They're going to say Warriors. They're finally done with the Kaminga thing.

Shep them off to Atlanta. Atlanta should be here also, by the way, because you got to get in the summer with some of the most hated players across the entire league. At a Kamiga and Gabe Vincent in 24 hours. Kaminga, Gabe, Vincent, and Buddy Healed. Oh, man. He's never been more. Play alongside CJ McCollum. Fuck, yeah, C.J. McCallum to, God damn. With the Atlanta Hawks.

The Golden State Wards, Atlanta Hawks, obviously both deserve it. Double homicide. We didn't even really got to talk about it too much. I'm curious on, do the Atlanta magic get to be worse vibes? Oh, yes. 100%. Yes, they were going to be my call. I ain't going.

They were going to be my call, the Orlando Magic. This was supposed to be their lead fear, y'all. What the Detroit Fistons are, that was supposed to be the Orlando Magic. They're a calling your, franchise player P.B. O.J. Call on peanut butter. Yeah. It is bad out there in Orlando, y'all. It is bad.

Franz Wagner's still not playing. Yeah. Came back too soon from that injury. Everyone wants to set your head coach on fire. Like, it's just all bad right now, bro. It's all bad. Like, they don't like Mosley at all. Before the season start, I was like, yeah, he might lose his job because I don't know what type of offensive talent or mindy is.

Yeah, it's worse than I thought, man. That's kind of crazy. You kept a job. in the first early stretch of the season. It's crazy he still has it. Yeah. No, they did get it. Their offense was the reason they were kind of like solid winning games

when pilot was hurt. Yeah. Whenever it was Fonz and Desmond Bain. So I think that staved off that. I don't think that was because of him. But it was nice. Like, we asked for good offense and he gave it to us. So I get it to some extent.

It's still crazy that some of the coaches lost their job and he has not. Yeah. We're heading there pretty fast. Two spots left on each side. I mean, did you just put the Wizards and worse vibes? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. their best vibes. Okay, I guess.

I don't know if I'm allowing best vibes. Best is a tough word, but I would lean that their vibes are better than the not. Yeah, like they have hope for the first time in a minute. We see things on paper that are like actually producing

now they're not producing wins, obviously, but Alexar is continuously developing Will Riley, who never, no one really ever thinks about, has been developing as well. Trey Johnson's getting all the shots, he's a fucking sniper from hell. fans are getting excited about Will Riley. The comps they're making.

I know. Remember they 6-8 Monarcher Nobly. They see him dribble a couple times. Yeah. But the bigger thing about that conversation is like, yo, they got A.D. and Trey Young for basically nothing, nothing of them really important. I don't think that's great vibes of those moves.

It's the Wizards. It's similar to the Hornets. Hey, man. It is. We ain't seen it on paper. I've seen the, like, we're not very optimistic about those moves. That's what this is an optimistic vibe. I think you're too optimistic is the problem.

Again, when we talked about it, ultimately, I do think that the ceiling is like 35 games in terms of wins. But the wizard fans have been so just stripped of any hope that they could have over the last couple years. Like I've been seeing some wizard's fans, you know, like they've been talking about these tanking areas. They're pulling out names I've never seen. They're pulling out names with 20 consonants in them. And then like, he played 20 minutes for us. And I was like, okay, I guess. Like to go from that to Tray Young and Anthony Davis and people that you actually have known and have done something in the league before, this is a spot where you feel like some type of direction, some type of competency is actually on the horizon.

And for that, that's why I'm big enough to the Wizards right now. Do the Raptors round out best vibes? No, I think I'd rather give it to the 76ers, honestly, because Embed it's like, okay. I want to throw out another name since we are on the last spot. Yeah. How are the Lakers feeling? Not, but you're showing not best vibes.

I'm definitely neutral right now currently. Okay. Yeah, they might lean towards the worst. Yeah. The sixes, though, even with the Sixers, they traded away the sunshine. How do we feel about that? They did. They got a first round pick for them, though.

Obviously, you don't feel the best about that trade, but it's not a horrible trade in practice right now. But going back to what you said in our last episode on Thursday, excuse me, could look bad in a couple of years from now, but the process is not bad right now. And plus, like, you got Edgecombe who looks much better as a Ricky Day one. The bigger conversation really revolves on Joe Lynn Bede and how he gives you a solid base on.

He's been healthier. The healthiest he's been in a long time, which, like, makes me look at you entirely different. I'm not going to give any, like, real expectations on you just yet. I'm not for to say this is your opportunity to get to the finals or the Eastern Conference Finals of the first. I'm not saying that. I've been through that so many times. But the vibes are good right now regardless of that.

Yeah, we can go six years for the best vibes there just because it seemed like Joel and B had nothing left to offer because of his knees. And it seemed like a sad end to his career in his prime. He's playing with one of the best bigs in the league right now. He's trying to give that surgeon the key to the city right now, man. Shout up. He's been going crazy. Two teams left for worst vibes. Miami Heat?

Ah, no, no, no, no. They deserve to be in the middle of Tennessee. They deserve to not get talked about. They, listen, people are, it's, it's been slowly happening because every single year, Pat Riley is like, you know what? I can understand the mind. Like the, the turn that's happening on Pat Riley or just the amount of frustration that he fans have with Pat Riley, especially post deadline. It's, it's at one of the higher levels. And the Kalilware stuff that's always just been up and down all year with him.

He just got dunked on by his own team. Oh, yeah, there on. He got slammed on by Bam. Put the Miami Heat number nine. He got put in a fucking blunder by Pam. one of the best posters of the year they said Eric Spolster got that poster in his

bedroom it was a highlight of his night yes the Nets don't deserve bad vibes they're doing things right I think we should put the Memphis grisies on here for last though so they kind of fixed it a little bit like they picked the direction

I don't think it's bad vibes anymore I don't think they wanted to end that era that's my thing it's like yeah it's it's from a GM perspective I think they did the right thing given what their situation is but it was it was a somber grisies fans are sad

yeah they're sad there's grisies fans of bad vibes but I think they're sad and it's somber but they understand it's for the best so I don't know

the vibes are bad as much as they are like emotional that's a hard distinction so I don't know it's like that's a difficult there's some nuance there I think the vibes are bad man

you sell at and I'm just like Jaws there which is like can be viewed as a good thing but overall it's netting more bad you're right they do have a lot of firsts on picks, but they were about to fight overseas.

Like, that was, I think they saved the vibes. They're smart. They pivoted. Like, it hurts for now, but like,

Tydraum is back. Tidraum is back. And he's been pooping his ass off, but still. Sedgeik Howard is really good. Like, Zach Ety comes back soon, hopefully.

Does that net out to be neutral? I think so. I think they'd save the bad vibes. But if you want to say sadness is keeping them there because the fans have to, like, deal with the band they've been ripped off of the era that they love so much. I get it. You have to see your ex and dill.

the Brooks thrive. Yeah. So if there's not a, is there one more team that has clear bad vibes. The Trail Blitz deserved to be the middle 10. They're just whatever.

Yeah. Timberwell's fine vibes. Well, this is, this is what I'm saying. This is the spot where at the bottom of this list, if we want to go to the Knicks here, just because there's like, overall,

the season hasn't gone the way that you wanted it to be. Did the Lakers have any nod for worse vibes with how up and down the season's been, how they didn't do anything at the deadline? And Lakers fans are irate, obviously. How people are looking at Lucas. not have a team around him that can win.

They annoy his people. The LeBron of it all, the drama that's to have been. Y'all are always irate, though. Yeah, that's why I didn't say them. Like, Lakers fans are always pissed, and, like, they're always going to be very, like, on edge and, like, upper, super high, high, super low lows. So, like, they're so, like, they're so

like, they're so deep week can be the worst vibe. So I don't know if they actually deserve this list. Yeah, I don't think. I think I'd rather lean towards the Knicks. All right. Because this is a team that said is, like, stormed him and tharling the Eastern Conference. They've been too. They've done themselves

a hole little too much as of late. Yeah, there's still the two seed but it's not by like a wide ass bar yeah.

You can blink it or like the fourth seed maybe it's right to give it to the Grizzlies with everything we said maybe they embodied bad vibe is the most just because they're sad.

For the entire of the season yeah they do. Okay, we'll give the Grizzies close it out just because can we put the bucks on here twice? Yeah, you know

is that possible? Go ahead, go put the bucks twice. Put the Milwaukee bucks twice. They deserve it. Double representation for the most annoying team of the year by a fucking mile. And there we go. Best and worst vibes in the NBA right now on February 9th.

I think we nailed it. Yeah. A W-List. Pretty good. W-List. Next thing we can do, let's get into the biggest news stories of the week. Let's talk about all the things that are going on across the league since we last recorded on Monday, I mean on Thursday.

And I think it's only right that we start with something that's been all over Twitter. What's going on? We have to talk about the biggest. problem plaguing the NBA right now. Something that nobody can stop talking about on Twitter. That has been, honestly, I'm kind of joking about the biggest plague in the NBA. You ask the casual fan, this is the biggest problem in the NBA. That's tanking.

The Utah Jazz is taking tanking to the next level. They traded for Jared Jackson Jr. at the deadline. They played their first game with him in the lineup against Orlando Magic. And they were up 94-87 going into the fourth quarter. They were whooping their ass, lock and palo up, everything to look at the jazz. We're going to surely get this win. Then they sat all their good players for the entire fourth quarter and lost the game 120 to 117.

A egregious act of thinking that is once again reignited the talking point of this being something that is ruining the league for a lot of viewers, a lot of people going to games, watching players in real life,

watching on TV on League Pass. It's bad for people that even want to have a casual interest in the NBA over the course of the second half of the season because they know half the games will not matter because the players will not play.

Do you guys view this as the biggest problem in the NBA right now? I don't think this is the biggest problem in the league. Honestly, this is just like, what is the biggest problem in the league? Power ranked the biggest problems in the league. Talking about the, like, the whole tanking thing, I feel like it would be more of an eye cancer to watch a team like the Knicks go ahead and tank egregiously or the LA Lakers. It seems that's like clearly like one of the more popular league teams versus the Utah Jazz.

Ain't nobody checking for Utah Jazz games like that at all. I don't give a damn if they think. They kind of have to. They, this seems specific in the year, the kind of year and the kind of protection specifically that they have. on top of them, they have to take it. They have to go ahead and guarantee that they land a pick or else I think it's top a protected. If they don't let get it within the top eight, OKC gets that pick.

Yep. That's perfectly fine. Their fans, I feel like their fans overall aren't mad about it because they understand how important and how pivotal this is to overall team building. If you're the Utah Jazz who you're not going to go ahead and sign any free agents, I can't name too many guys off the top of my head who were like, yeah, Utah Jazz, sign me up. I want to be with them Mormons. No one ever thinks like that ever.

ever, ever. Yeah. Well, I think you're right that it's obviously in the best interest of the Utah Jazz for that pick protection, for the place they're out in their timeline, for how good this draft is, which is probably like the tweet we have on screen right now. It seems like 20% the league is already tanking. That is how it feels. I feel like we're in one of the biggest tanking years in a long time.

That's going to happen when you have one of the best draft classes of all time, seemingly in front of us with three seemingly surefire superstars, a fourth guy in Caleb, Wilson, who was also thought to be as good as a normal top three pick, three or four other guys, I could be solid top four picks in most drafts, you're going to see more teams I want to get in on that, that want to get involved with that. That makes sense? The issue is it doesn't make sense, though. Is it good for the league? And I think that's the people, part people are taking exception with, that if it makes sense, that's a problem with the system. And the system is set up that it makes a lot of uninteraining hoops. And you don't really, you've never, there's no other

sports that have anything like this, where a third of the league is actively putting a bad product out there on purpose for four months of the season. I think for the Utah, Jazz specifically. There's some baseball teams. Sure. No, that's terrible. But that's different, though, because it's not losing for a draft

because the draft isn't like that. So, like, there are some baseball off of baseball teams, but they're not incentivized for that. They just aren't confident and don't want to spend money. Yeah, I think I only don't mind a tank when it can at least be viewed as productive in some light.

That's the hard part. It's always productive. They're productive because, well, on the court, productive, because you can sit down and say, hey, at least you got Isaiah Collier to take some shots for the last game or two games that we're going to say, He was giving his fucking issues, bro.

This game specifically, I can look at A's baby and be like, yeah, like at least our top five pick or whatever he was last year can go ahead and develop and get real life reps that Lairn, Marketing and Jaron Jackson Jr. would eat up. I think that's productive for this team right here. But if we're talking about the team, like, I don't know, what's a team with like nothing going on? The Sacramento Kings. Even then. That's not even a good example, though. It's always productive, and that's the problem, is that I started the conversation by saying, is it, the biggest problem in the league.

And that's a tough conversation because it's essential to a league like the NBA as an 82 game season. You have to have a lottery, right? Like you can't have flat, worst team gets number one pick. Otherwise, we're going to have crazy tanking. But because of lottery, a lot of times good teams get the top pick. The really bad teams get fucked over, get the fifth pick, so they stay bad. It's a legit problem.

I don't know if it has an answer. I don't know if there's a solution to it. I don't know if it's something that actually should be changed or something we kind of just got to accept. but the fact that it's incentivized and everything you're saying is true and it's undoubtedly good to tank that's an unsolvable problem I think yeah I think the the only way that you can fix this is you're going to have to burn it to the ground like you're going to have to get rid of of a draft in order to actually fix tanking and trying to position yourself for draft position but like obviously that's not going to happen yeah it's not a realistic answer yeah like we're not going to

do that um I do think that like it is it is a problem when it's disaggregious. I think sometimes you can stomach it if you know, even if it's like an hour before the game, if you get the alert and it's like, hey, so it's not playing.

Like, okay, I'm kind of walking into, I know what I'm walking into. When we're up through three quarters and I'm seeing Jerry Jackson, Jr., and I'm seeing this entire team play well, and then all of a sudden we're just going to give up, that's the issue because we joked around at the trade deadline because it's like I've never heard anybody talk this

much about like jersey sales or anything like this I legitimately care in the in this sense of how much people have to like pay and do all this other stuff to walk in here for this specific team and I were just going to lose on purpose it goes against everything that we're doing here and so I it is a it is a problem but outside of again taking away the the draft I don't know how to fix it I think it's only a problem if you tank and you still our ass. That's where it's like, okay, well, you did all that tanking for no fucking reason. You've been shaking your ass twerking in February already for these top picks and you don't do anything. You make the wrong moves. That's where it's like, okay. Well, that's a

problem with the lottery then at that point because, again, the wizards, the pissons had it for a few years. Worst odds every single year. Keep getting the fifth pick. And a lot of the talking points around this and this issue of tanking, a lot of people kind of take this weird like cop-like approach with it where they want to like punish these bad teams and be like, to be punished and we're not going to reward being bad. And I understand the sentiment because of everything you guys are talking about. It's embarrassing product upon the court. Feels like it's disrespectful to the fans to be so egregiously poor and all this stuff

that they're just like, you're incompetent and I hate you. But the reality is unless you give them really good players, they're going to stay that way. Not everybody's a Celtics. Not everybody's going to go find a Jordan Walsh every year and be able to be amazing at finding guys in the second round of the Grizzlies. Put that guy their arm down. It's like for Jordan Walsh. What's wrong with you, man?

My guy right there, man. Not every franchise is realistic and it'd be set up like that. So you do, like, in reality, have to give these terrible teams good players so they can have some parity and move it around. Like, it's the same reason.

That's why the NFL, every team is one good draft away from being great. And that's a little different because they have seven rounds, a different format there. But, you know. And players die every single week.

True. Yeah, yeah. Injuries have a bigger part of parity there. So it's not exactly one to one. But getting a really great player because you're really bad promotes parity. So I think any type of solution

people put out there that, oh, maybe the team that is the best non-laughtery team, she gets number one pick and all this stuff. Like, that's not a realistic solution that would fix the problem. It would make you feel some type of, like, it'd make you feel like you won the animosity battle you have a bad team, but it wouldn't actually fix the issue. Yes, but to that, I would say, like, the, when you are, when you're tanking and, like, you're tanking for draft position, it puts basically, 90% of the onus on your job is be a good drafter.

Yep. Where other GMs, like even if you miss a draft pick, and obviously it depends on where the market is, if you are in like a free agent destination or anything like that, you can sign people in free agency. You can go make trade and people will want to stay. And so you have these other avenues. And like maybe Utah and like Utah or Sacramento,

those are just places where you just have to be a good draft. and that's just part of it. And so your job is innately harder because you don't have these other paths. But when you do that, like that's one of the bigger differences between them and a Boston is that maybe if we're looking at the jazz and you start forcing these teams to also be good traders

and forcing them to be good free agent signings. And you just like that's also a different area where by having this draft lottery or by saying like, it's okay. Like you can get your draft pick. you are allowing people to then put all of the pressure, knowing that a majority of these draft picks are not going to be all-stars.

A majority of these picks aren't going to be all NBA players. And so we're allowing people to set them all, to set themselves up for failure. Well, that's a personal problem. You're right. And that's why tanking is, that's why tanking in this whole conversation makes it feel worse.

But for the teams who, like, precisely know what they're doing. This shit is a real tool and weapon to use to catapole your organization, look at and propel you to one of the best in league. going back to, I think the year was 1996, 1997. I think that's one of the last years where the spur or the spurs had a like a random blip where they

won like 20 games. Tanked. Next thing you know, they go ahead, draft Tim Duncan and the history of the organization changes for fucking ever. That's like the best case scenario of tanking. And a lot of teams don't have the necessary molecules, atoms in their brain, IQ

to go ahead and do such things through their scouting programs and that's what makes this whole conversation. 100%. And people will say, okay then get good right like that'll be something that like I can imagine Donovan saying like like drive better to be better I can't and like yeah that'd be great that'd be ideal to say look at a sports league and say the worst team should do what the best teams do it's just not reality there's always going to be shitters in a sport that is privately owned every team you can't remove owners you can't delegate teams to different leagues you're always going to have shitters at the bottom

that just is what it is you have bad owners that own the teams and they don't want to put money to the front office they don't have to so you're not going to escape incompetence and that's the part you got to build around as a reality I mean I'm just going to fuse it got so bad because I personally thought with the new lottery odds for those who don't know they actually changed the odds in 2019 um you don't need to have like a top three worst record in the league anymore to have a chance at the number one yeah because now it's set up as long as you have one of the three worst records you have an equal shot at that number one pick and then it trickles down uh to the point where like you know the the ninth worst record has a three and a half uh two point

eight, excuse me. They have triple what they had before. 3% before it was 1.1. That's a meaningful difference. Yeah, that's how the Atlanta Hawks at the number one pick a couple years ago. And the average. Yeah, the Dallas Mavericks as well, you're right.

And it definitely, so this definitely meaningfully impacts how things have gone in the past few years. I think it's worth talking about, has it positively impacted it? It's made some of the shitter stay shittier for longer. Like the Wizards probably would have got the number one pick if things didn't change or at least would have got number two pick

at some point outside of Sard, they got a lot of five. They got the pissings outside of Cade, right? Yeah. That impacts things. Like we mentioned, the Atlanta Hawks and the Mavericks changed their I don't say change their teams forever

The Atlanta Hawks did not But they did have the opportunity to Because of these flattened odds So it gives more teams that fall into the lottery A chance to transform their team But hurts the worst teams Which now we're looking back at this This probably helps the tanking

From like entertainment standpoint Like evens things out And like makes the race to one Not as egregious But I think if you have the bad team Staying bad for longer It probably nests out as a negative for the league probably and also this is like two different it's two different things because if you if you are

again if you're going into the year saying hey we understand that we are in a rebuilding phase i think i think people can understand that of we're in this in this season of or in this phase of our team that's fine what the jazz did is actually egregious yeah like the point you're right in game tanking that that's something that i do think is something where you are going to have to take that different approach and actually start handing out punishments because it I know jaron jackson is not is not her i know these i know these other guys are fine once again you were you were you were you were dominating for three quarters and now you take the guys out what's what's actually good here what's actually going on that's a that's a much bigger problem than this season long odd stuff yeah i think

that's a good point to bring them back to the jazz there's obviously this is all a fine line because you can't dissuade tanking in an era where a drafts exist and you also can't really tell coaches who to play. You know, they could just be like oh, I don't want to play Jaron. He's what it is. Like, they're in charge of who they play. But even then, like the coaches,

I've never, I've never, and maybe I'm just super naive. I've never thought that like the actual like on the ground people, that like the actual players or the actual coaches are the ones that are like, yeah, we're going to lose this game. Of course not. Many of them are going to try not to. And it's probably different

each organization. Maybe we'll hardly just understand we have a top eight pick and it'd be pretty nice for me if I had a top five player next year. So I want to make sure we keep that pick, right? But that's where the fine line is,

I think, is I think the hard part is them and the wizards trading for stars and are either sitting in them all year, which are the wizards, they could say we trade for injured stars. So we're just going to let them rehab.

That's somewhat understandable. The jazz trade for a star and Jaron Jackson and then don't let him play the fourth quarter is like to buy in to get better but then still stay worse, that might be where the like subjective ruling of the commissioner has to come in to say if you're going to make a move to be good then be good we're not going to allow you to do both

that's like an issue but then that raises the question of pick protections are the issue having a top of a protected pick allows you to do that oh yeah let's let's cut those yeah that might be the answer I know there was a report a few months ago that they were looking into ways to curb this I think that came out in December and there was some terrible ideas on there and there was one good one good idea was eliminating the specificness to pick protections not eliminating entirely. I think you could just eliminate entirely possibly, but basically it could be lottery protected or no protections or

maybe whatever that number is, whether it's lottery or top five, make it so there's only one or two types of protections. Not, if it's one to four I keep it or 10 to 30, I keep it, but five to nine, you get it. One to eight I keep it. If not, it becomes this and this and that. Like, the complexity of protections

leads to more tanking opportunities. Because if this jazz pick was unprotected, they would just be trying to win. Yeah, Indiana. know. Exactly. And I think the, what you say about like the subjective, the,

the perspective from the commissioner, Adam, start the taking task force today. Yeah. We're going to have to go around to every single team and we're going to have to pop in, make sure that you guys are doing things

the right way, make sure that things are not getting egregious and it's going to have to go like that. Yeah, I think honestly what he probably has to do, everything we're saying is that there's no answer from a total, unemotional standpoint of logic, there's no answer here. He has to make this entertainment product.

He has to say, you trade for Darren Jackson. I'm calling him Danny Aange and said, okay, you're buying. You better motherfucking buy. Otherwise, we're going to do fines. You better, like, I'm going to put my foot on the scale a little bit and say, we're going to prioritize entertainment. If you're going to be a good team, do it. Don't continue to lose.

Like, that's just something you got to understand. I'm going to do whatever I can with my powers as a commissioner to make sure you have to do that. We'll find you in a very subjective sense. That's not fair. A jazz fan will say, I'm allowed to play whoever I want in the fourth quarter. too damn bad this is an entertainment product we're going to find you and he has to just take away this whole Adam silver does things completely fair and doesn't try to put his own

opinion of things into things I think that's a change I think he should I think he should I think that's a change if you do want to solve this problem that has to change there's fantasy football leagues with harder tanking rules than what the NBA does that's hilarious and maybe they don't want to change and this is also we got to deal with but we've seen signals that Adam Silver isn't okay with the tanking in some regard but it seems like he wants to solve it in some like fair scientific way, I think yes, it's to add his own judgment into it. Yeah, I think I think Adam Silver needs to make some sort of big change. I think we need to remember what the NBA looked like with David Stern. He wasn't afraid to make big changes that we're going to anger people.

And I think there's so many different problems with the league right now that Adam Silver needs to make an opinionated change, not only on this, but with injuries, all-star weekend, like something got to give. We need a co-commissioner. Adam Silver is obviously so good for the business of the game, expanding the pockets of everybody, but obviously we need a little Davis-Sturn sprinkled in there for the health of the product. Man, if I die, I hope I have David Stern PR. I don't think everybody, anybody says he was a great commissioner.

We say he was an opinionated commissioner, that he would do some stuff. But like, every time something happens, everyone's just like, man, Stern's NBA would never. And it's like, I mean, nobody loved 100% like what was going down in the NBA, like every single time with Stern.

But it's just like, he's just viewed as this like perfect commissioner. And it's like, I think people view everything you're like a dictator. They do. This very idealized version of Davis Stern is definitely here. I see both sides. I know what you're saying. I think people view him as the opposite of Adam Silver, which leads to these convos.

I don't think people actually view him as a great commissioner. I think that part definitely isn't the sentiment is like he was perfect commissioner, but he was everything Adam Silver isn't. He would stand on some at the end of the day. Yeah. I think this narrative started off as a joke of like people talking about the fact you couldn't wear bag clothes and the racer shit that was happening and then be like, he wouldn't allow that.

He would have took him out there and said, go be proper. Like, it started off that way. It's not, you're right. People view him as a dictator more than anything. Yeah. I love him now. It's because Adam. We ignore the fact that racist shit happened under his wife's.

Alan Irons and put a suit on. That's funny. You sound bad. I don't know he said he was moral. He said he was a guy with an iron fist. Do these taking teams want a team? People are loving that right now. Yeah, listen, the age we're in.

People are loving that. People are watching. People want to David Stern right now. The age we're in. The voting public would love. David Stern. They would love their...

Tell me what to do. No more Gucci swires. Play your pants on. Yo, man. Quintzada, I want to take that Farragamo belt

off, man. That shit is not allowed in this league. All right. Next news story. Daniel Russell Russell won't report to the Wizards.

Team will try to figure out what's best for him and for the team per their GM. I know what's best. Nehau. Wong Dong.

Yo, Dealo, turn it down. out of NBA opportunity. Bro, go score 50 in China. Come on, man. I really don't know where Delo goes from here because it doesn't make sense. This whole season doesn't make sense.

You are on a team that needs a point guard. You, sir, play point guard. They didn't want you. You didn't want them. Now you come to another team. They don't have nothing going on. You could be out here being their version of C.J. McCullum. You can get your shots off.

You don't want to pull up. Fine. It doesn't make sense. I have no idea where he's. his career is going to go, the general feeling about what the DeAngelo Russell experiment could bring to your team, it feels cooked. It feels over. Yeah, go throw them lapsed. Dwight Howard, man. Taiwan.

Yeah, the GM of the Washington Wizards basically made it sound like he's going to get bought out. You know, best for both of us. He was only here for salary reasons. We don't really want him. He doesn't want us. We'll figure it out. He's the one that said this directly in a press conference. Makes sense. I don't know. Is there any team that means dealer at rest this year? Any team that needs DeLo Playoff team, those two words don't coincide. Need that's a crazy word, right?

I need Angel Russell. The deal is insane. You know what we need right now? The Angelo Russell. That would fix us. That's insane. I need it.

Hell no. Do you think the magic might need him? Fuck no. This guy rare Tires Jones. You can use another backer point guard? Fuck no. Oh my God, man. Do you think the Miami Heat might do them?

No. Fuck no. Holy shit. Do you think the Chicago Bulls might need him? They want them. Yeah, they want them. They're probably on his line right now. They want him bad.

They need a forward. They saw a six-foot guy. Oh, you could play forward for us. We're playing positionless basketball. Do you think the Atlanta Hawks might need him? Hey, you might have to kill him. You have to die. I just named everybody from the playing invitation all over here.

I figured that would be the best bet. Maybe the Milwaukee Bucks. Oh, the Bucks need them. Sure. Go balance out Camp Thomas on that bench. Why not? Discrusting brothers. Imagine that bench unit, that bench guard unit.

Zero defense coming in. You know, the mind-numbing coops of all. time. Their guard room would have Delo, Cam Thomas, Ryan Rollins, KPJ, Co-Anthony. Oh my goodness. That can't happen. That can't happen. But yeah, it's over.

Tough. Next new story. The participants in the 26 dunk contest have been revealed. We were told All-Star Jalen Duren would be in it. He has since pulled out. Carter Bryant, Jackson, Hayes, Kashad Johnson, and Jace Richardson are your Dunk Contest's

participants for 2026. I have never seen J.H. Richardson dunk in the NBA. I've seen him dunk a couple times, but it's like rum grazers, right? It's exactly what he's doing. He's doing the most unimpressive dunked the balls are fin to come out of his hands. He's barely getting that bitch in. And J. Richardson has also said, I have never seen myself dunk in the NBA. He responded to this and he said, I guess, I guess I'll do it. sounding like they told him to do it. He said, let's do it, I guess, on an Instagram story. Yo, they expecting him to pull out his dad during the show. That's all it is.

That's all it is. They said, we need a fourth person. We have a richest in the league. Jace, come dunk. And then he was asked about it in a locker room scrum. And they were like, a lot of people saw my tweet and said, they probably think I'm not going to try. I'm going to give them my all.

I've never agreed to something I don't want to win. He didn't say I plan to win. He didn't say I think I can win. He didn't say I want to do this. I decided to do this. He just said, I'm going to try. He said this on two platforms, y'all. He made an IG story and a tweet, I guess.

He really wanted to get it off. He makes it make it clear. I can't say they made me do this, but I'm going to make it abundantly clear to you. They made me do this. He's letting everyone know, temper the expectations. I'm not going to do too much. I'm going to show up.

I mean, the car Brian's tall. I'm not going to lie. I don't know. Who's Kashaw Johnson? I ain't go lie. I felt like such a casual reading that name. I thought it was a corner in the NFL. I was like, I don't know what's going on.

Do you know what Kashad Johnson is? Is that a second round pick from last year or something? Like, I just got into league. I'm not going to know. What I will say is this should be, this should be the last year of not only the slam dunk contest, but for the All-Star game as well. Kashar Johnson has played.

He averages 7.6 minutes a game. Fire. Was he a 2025 draft pick? Yes. Yeah, I legit do not know who that is. And I, like, do you know how red that is? Like, this must be a me issue because, like, I'm sure he was like a second-round pick that I should know.

I don't know who that is. I've never seen him a day in my life, bro. I'm not going to lie. I shouldn't. Seven minutes, maybe I should. Maybe I'd give myself a break. Seven minutes is not a lot of time. I should know who that is.

I'm looking at this right now. And we just talk for like 25 minutes about tanking. This is a bigger problem. And legitimately, he won't undrafted by the way. Okay. I'll get myself a pass. Sometimes it takes a minute to learn them all. Legitimately.

The NBA All-Star weekend, especially now that they have moved it, it's always been like post-s football, but they move it post-superville. This is the time when all the casuals finally are like, okay, let me see what's going on in the NBA. Let me see what's happening. And we're going to have NBA All-Star Saturday night, and we're going to have all these events,

and it's going to be star-studded and whatever, and you're going to have people flying in to see J.S. Richardson don't? No, this is going to be trash. Then the next day, on Sunday night, we're going to have this All-Star game that's going to be like three All-Star games in one and some stupid round robin that nobody knows the rules to. And we can't play just a regular game because nobody does anything.

And the game is going to be 250 to 252 in a 48 minute game. That should never happen. The entire weekend is cooked. Players talk about it. They don't even want to come out because they got to do insane media. The players don't like what's happening. Any other type of event that's happening around this is insanely mid, insane. Gainly cooked.

Any time that the done contest has been legitimately solid for the last 10 years, most of the time is built off of nostalgia bait. And I'm going to go do what Jason Richardson is probably going to do. I'm going to get my father's jersey. I'm going to put it on. I'm going to remind you about something that happened 25 years ago. And I'm going to see if this could be good. Let's cut it.

Let's cut it. It's done. It's cooked. I agree with you. I actually went to the events last year. Oh, you waste of time. Luckily, you waste some time.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Luckily, I didn't have to pay, but the whole time I was like, yo, if I had to pay for this with my hard-earned money, I would be so pissed, dog. Because I went on the apps, looked up how much those tickets were. We're talking about $4,000, $5 for like upper bowl seats. For Saturday night? For Saturday night and the All-Star game. That's crazy. 4K?

Around there. We've gone to the All-Star weekend, two years in a row for work purposes, right? there hasn't been a single time where I thought let me go to see All-Star Saturday night. Dude, I have a picture of him sleeping while the All-Star game was going on. In-India. In-I-D.

Yeah, he was taking the meanest nap ever. Because that was one of the first ones that they broke 200. That, like, both teams scored 200. And we'll be there this week, too. We're going to LA on Friday morning. We haven't had a single conversation of should we go to these events.

It's not even a thought. I'd rather go get ramen at your West Hollywood place. That's what I'm watching. Wait, wait. You've blown up the same. spot. Ramen place in West Hollywood on this street.

There's a few. Yeah, I was telling him before we started that we're going to California. If you guys, I'm sure you guys know, before we all moved to Chicago here, I lived in L.A., I lived in West Hollywood. I said there's a ramen spot. I miss, I got to go to. That's the plans we're Saturday night.

We're going to do our work stuff in the day. Go eat food at some L.A. spots that I miss and remember. No thought to give a fuck about the dunk contest. It's so... They don't even got TVs there. It's so bad. Thank you. I didn't even bother to think about it.

that it's so bad and and i think like you they've tried like i'll give them i'll give them credit at least for the all-star game in that you've tried your absolute best to figure out something to where the game can be somewhat entertaining and you're trying to find a way to make it competitive at the end of the day it's not nothing is going to change unless the players are you know slapping the floor and pulling the shorts up dammy lillard is in a two-point contest what the hell is going on you say that in i see that bobby porters bobby porters is the three-point point contest. Devin Booker shooting 30%

from three is in the three point contest. What in the blue moon? What a blue moon indeed. I'm a Bobby Porter's fan so I hope he wins it. But literally for the NBA's crowning moment.

The moment that everybody is coming to see is now kind of switched over to the three point contest. We got a dude on one leg and a busted Achilles and Bobby Portis taking threes here. What is going on? What is

have anyone else this can i can i can i can i be honest please even even though the three-point contest i agree it is more so the main event now with how many threes we see in actual NBA games it's starting to get stale to me too i ain't going to lie like how many times can i really get hyped over especially when they start breaking two and then reggie oh he's he's he's up now he's eating up now and then they go for four straight misses i'm like all right dog At this, I've also never found entertaining. He's never done much for me.

There's the times where it's been real good is like obviously when Stefan Clay were at the, who at their peeking like they're setting records and stuff, it got a little bit stale because they started to, um, to add a whole bunch of other stuff and like you added more time, whatever. They added the four point line, right? Yeah, which is kind of like a nice wrinkle, but like the overall like the scores were, we're getting pretty high. What they need to do is let's get the worst shooters out here.

Yeah. And I don't win the whole thing. Yes. I think it's kind of cool that Damila is doing it personally. I don't know, man. Clearly he's healthy enough to do it. Like, why not, no harm, no foul. Yeah.

What's that? What's a take issue with? I mean, I'm sure, listen. And I'm sure he's been, he can, he can shoot the ball 50 times, you know, probably at this point in his recovery. But it's a, it's a tough time for all-star weekend. Let's talk about some transactions. Mike Conley was traded during the deadline.

In a salary dump, he is being waived. and coming back Nice Fire love to see it Bray team loyalty That's crazy I feel like it shouldn't be allowed I don't really give a fuck to my colony

Like go for it But like there's some ways You're not allowed to do this In the off season Depending on different Venetia For some reason this falls into The way it's allowed

Yeah because he was traded twice That's why I was allowed Oh let's be trade twice Okay Yeah Oh it says it right there true Interesting If you're trying it twice

It should be allowed Because it's like yo man It's kind of getting out of hand The team wants to go in and just be like, yeah, you're cool to leave. Don't even show up, please. Like, we don't need you here. Yeah.

Again, I don't really care. Shout out my calling coming back. Good for them. Shout out the finesse. The Timberwolves. Interesting wrinkle. I also wanted to say like, yeah, team legend.

I call it. Mike call him, and I'm like, I don't know about that. But he did make things a lot smoother when it comes to the Rudy Gobert transition. Yeah, a locker room leader. Good for him.

He's important for them. Cam Thomas is a member of the Bucks. Another transaction had happened. We mentioned it early in the good vibes scenario. Cam Thomas was waived by the Brooklyn Nets after the deadline after they failed to find a suitor for him. Allowed to pick whatever destination he chooses. He chose the bucks who obviously need all the talent they can get. Is this a good swing for the bucks?

Dude, great swing for the bucks. You know, they had to get talent in the door. They're not in the team state to go ahead and really be too picky. You know, they need anything. When this happened, I forget where we were, but we were so fucking shocked that this happened. We were like, yo, he got waived. Like, he didn't get traded. he got brought out?

He fell to his knees in Jersey mics. Yeah, he said, oh my God, Cam Thomas got weight. So, so bad. Good for him.

He obviously had a very interesting part of his career. He's average 25 in the NBA and it's been waived in the NBA year later. That is probably a sentence only Cam Thomas can say, like ever,

probably. Has anybody here, maybe there's some like, some other reasons. So yeah, for other reasons, but it certainly has not happened at the age 24.

To average 25 points per game in the, the NBA and be waived before you hit your prime the next season. That is outrageous. I'm sure it's happened for like behavioral reasons or like financial reasons. They just did this shit because they didn't want them. Got to be a terrible hang. Crazy. And, you know, certain battles that he started with a certain writer happened. And Zach Loe reigns eternal because Zach Loe said on July 16, 2025, the consensus on Cam Thomas, if there is one. And he's got some fans. and he's got some mega detractors.

But the consensus is kind of like empty calories ball hog. Cam Thomas responds, same day. The consensus, fuck you and that consensus, Zach Lowe. This is the most likely the same consensus for teams who can't guard me and send double teams from jump ball.

Why are we double team in a guy who's not that good, quote unquote? Make it make sense, please. This is the same guy who's been shooting 39% from the field this year and just 32% from the three point line. Yikes. Tough.

So just overall tough situation because obviously he's talented. Like you can't average 25 on accident. Yeah. That's crazy. But we've been talking about it for years when he first broke onto the scene, had those three 40 point games after the Kyrie and James Harden Trade was, whoa, promising player. What can he become?

This is crazy. Clearly this guy is something. He's obviously a talented score. What now? Absolutely nothing. Nothing. No other development. No other now.

How bad do you have to be to get cut from one of the worst teams in the league? Bad. Like that's the thing. You don't even got to be bad per se. you have to be unwilling is the problem. He's not bad. Like he can average 25, but he refuses to do the other stuff

all the effort-based stuff. And there is talent there too. Like he's just not a talented defender and stuff like that. But that should be good for a team like this Brooklyn Ness because, yo, they want to be bad right now. You can be a cheap one-way player

and exist on a lineup. Plenty of times that happens. Like you have to be so unwilling, such a problem in the locker room, so uncoachable, so much intangible stuff, you have to just decide isn't you to be cut that will be that good of a score?

You can go be Jordan Clarkson or something and just be a microwave guy off the bench. Like, those guys have long careers. You can be Bones Highland right now, bro. I'm not saying you're gonna get 30 mil a year with that style of play. You certainly won't, but you'll keep a job. Mm-hmm.

I'm starting to feel bad for these small guards, though. I feel like they are disproportionately getting... He's six three. He's not even small. He's six-five. He's big guy. He's not even small. Maybe six four.

I think he's like 6364. But I think just the archetype of like these non-defending guards who really like really their value is scoring, I feel like they're getting targeted. Yeah. But he shouldn't even be that. He has size. He has no excuse for that. He has a wingspan. A lot of times his guys are just like small shoulder, small wingspan.

You're never going to be a good defender. He has the body to be a perfectly fine defender. Like he chooses to be in the category you're describing. And that's crazy. That's fair. He chooses this life. He has a 6-7-69 wingspan, right? He has no excuse.

And he is thick. he's built like he's a tank a little bit for his size yeah if the if the bucks thing doesn't doesn't work out it's that's obviously going to be a big stain i looked i looked it up right now he says three years that you can go back to college and so you can go get some nile you can score 30 at lSU why don't you go back to bad roo shit that's nasty man next news story i'm sorry next news story uh obviously the vibe to the rock has been terrible uh kevin durant is obsessed with talking to his haters this random guy said, why don't players ever play better next to you, Kevin Durant?

Accept it. You're an elite score, not a leader. You don't elevate your teammates. You lower them. I don't think this guy anymore, policiously. But that's his general sentiment. He says to him, Katie says, I can name you 20 players that play their best ball next to me? My question is, can y'all name 20 players that play their best ball next to Kevin Durant?

Or you say Steph Curry played his best ball next to Katie? No, you can't because best ball is in 2016. Actually, you need not say 20. 20. Is a lot. Do you agree with the sentiment that he makes players worse? Makes player worse? No, I can't.

Do you agree the sentiment he makes players better? I always, that verb is so funny. Yes, it is loaded verbiage for sure. Like, clearly you do when you're that good. To some regard, obviously, he's players better. Like, it goes out saying that if you're a star player at that much gravity,

Bruce Brown's going to look better off of you. Gianja Jordan's going to look better off for you. Sergei Bacow, you know, you're going to look better off of a guy next to that. But relative to the skill level, I guess is the better question of like... Comprehance to other superstars? No. People always compare to Braun, obviously. Exactly.

From their days. And obviously, Braun's a better playmaker. that's always held above KD. But I think people probably still do too much with him not making people better relative to other superstars, not in LeBron James. I think I'm closer to KD side here. I am too.

I think the last couple years has been weird. Like with Phoenix and that whole situation just being off. And like they traded, they traded so much to get KD that that team, even once he was there and it was him.

MCP, Aten, right, Booker, you're looking around at who the other wings are and it's like, oh, like, how are we actually going to make this work? Like, can we play seven guys that are legitimately good? Yeah. Probably not. But I think before that, like, you even saw it in Brooklyn and I think that 20, the 21 series against the bucks, that was probably his best version of like, hey, everybody just get on my back.

I'll spoon feed you everything, like controlling the game. that was probably one of the better versions that we've seen of KD. Yeah. But I don't, yeah, I disagree that he makes people worse. Yeah, that's not true. Yeah, that just doesn't make any sense. Every time I've seen James Harden at the highest of his career when it comes to actually going far in the playoffs, he's with KD.

I've seen Kyrie go as high as possible, not as high as possible, obviously, but I've seen him make a deep playoff fronts with KED before. And I've seen him make a lot of people's lives easier, defensively and offensively all he does. Yeah, definitely. It's just over the hating. Next thing I'll talk about. We mentioned this in the bad vibe section earlier, but wanted to breeze by it there because I knew we talked about it here.

IMA Udoka was asked about Alperin Shungoon getting hunted on defense and picking roles in the last two games. He says, it's been the case since I've been here. So no different there. What did y'all think about this? With IMA basically saying, guys, been a cone. I've been trying to game plan around that for the entirety of my career here. Come on, man. This is one of the number one rules as a head coach.

I get it. Like there's certain ways to make your player accountable and like tell them they need to try harder and all those stuff. But to say that, yeah, he's been hunted on defense. It's past two games. It's been the case here. No different. He's asked that, come on, man. Now.

He's not lying. Now. Come on, man. That's one is that he's not lying. Two, what if he did all the things? Because you said there's other ways to do it. What if he's tried that? What if he's had meetings with Shengun?

be like, listen, bro, I'm going to need you to lock in on this defense. And she was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to see a hook shot? Like, if that's the case, I've tried everything. It's also, again, just real. The team has not been playing well. I think what you're saying. I'm going to need you to step.

I don't think it's if. I think that surely has happened. Like, he wouldn't have said this if not for, like, this isn't a lack of judgment or like a slip-up. Like, he said this on purpose. And he wouldn't have done this unless he previously had conversations and I've tried other ways to hold it. hold Shingun accountable. In this game, he gave up a really bad back cut that was effort-based.

And Kevin Durant screamed at him and said, play some fucking defense. Yeah. Because Kevin Durant was a week's had help that had to make up for it. And there was just nowhere for him to get there on time because how would he expect such a poor effort from the front side? So, yeah, I suspect that it's probably pretty likely that there has been some conversations behind closed doors and they're not happy with the way these have gone as of late for Shangoon. Interesting, to say the least.

Yeah. And your entire season can't fall apart because you don't have Stephen Adams there. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's simple and plain. You are going, we are going to go into the playoffs and it's going to be you and Jabari on this front line. You guys are going to have to hold it down. I know Jabari's going to try or you.

And I understand that you have to, that they are asking him to do a lot offensively. Hey, welcome to being a superstar. And welcome also to being a superstar that's not 35 years old. Like, this is just what you are expected to do. and as I've been I feel like I've been more pro shangoon as of late but as you guys have said time and time again you're not knocking down these three it's not like the numbers offensively he only had 10 games specifically that was shooting well from three

the rest of the 35 games that he played ass yeah it's so bad 22% still as bad touch with the rim yeah it's not like all of the energy that you are conserving on offense is paying off crazy dividends go lock up somebody yeah and it's stuff like I know he's he shook the subonis allegations last year because the team's defense was so good and he got the nod for being like a good defender now since then I've said in the moment I like salute to him becoming like good enough to exist in a good defensive ecosystem and not be any kind of like tanking factor to what you're able to do defensively he's still not good I think people have done way too much with like oh he's so positionally sound he's he's he goes good

impact now no he's surrounded by some of the best defensive players in the league and like he's fine which again is important it's a distinction like it is better than what he was before but yeah there will be moments where it's really easy to go from fine to being an issue it's a fine line yeah and it can't happen yeah man the vibes are really bad in Houston it's just really hearing me yeah they're terrible but that's the news we want to talk about today let's transition over to a little bit of TikTok time right now we're going to talk about which NBA team has the best superstar lineage we're going to see a matchup of two different teams against each other, three to five of their last superstars, which is putting, it's being quite nice

to some of these, but the last defining players, franchise players, star players that were from different areas of this team. And we got to decide which one is more impressive. Okay. Beesoles, what do you got for us? You all ready? All right. First matchup, we have the San Antonio Spurs.

Spurs. The San Antonio Spurs versus the Los Angeles Lakers. On the Spurs, we have David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Kaua Leonard, Victor Wenamma. on the Lakers, we have Shaq, Kobe Bryant, LeBron, Luca. This might be the most even you could possibly imagine if you were trying to find one that could keep up the Lakers. Now, is it good enough to make up for the fact that Prime Shaq is way better than David Robinson,

make up for the fact that LeBron James is better than Kwai? And actually, I try to lay that out. It's actually kind of close. Now I'm thinking about it. What? It's all kind of close. Well, let me say it would not be close if we went further than Shaq.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. If we start with Shaq and David, It is close. I think the quote unquote, I'm not going to say, yeah, I'm not going to say that.

Where the Spurs lose this matchup is LeBron is just better than... In 2017, Kauai. Yeah, than Kauai. And Wembe is awesome. He's not Luca right now. I stumbled there because Luka is Lakers Luca, who hasn't had a chance to really do much in Lakers uniform. So maybe you could tell yourself that's like a close enough to not be a big factor.

And then obviously Duncan and Kobe. So age all debate. Some people could reasonably side with Tim Duncan. It's LeBron over Kauai is the difference Because LaBron, Kawhi was only a star there for like three years And he bounced It's also Shack over there Yes, you have two top 10 players of all time

And then you got Kobe Bryant Who is anywhere between 15 to 20 as well For like at least much I'm going worst case scenario obviously For majority of people Like it's really lopsided That was crazy I've never heard anybody at least 20

Nobody's never said that You said that No I never said that I mean I'm saying like just right now I've never seen somebody say number 20. There's been disgusting 80 for Kobe.

I'm sure it's happened. Are you sitting on the tape? I'm not. Be it's been there for a long time. LeBron's like year eight with the Lakers. Why do you think to say that? Just being brought so everyone can agree. Fuck.

Try to try to bro. I was going to say top big at that point if everyone can agree. He's one of these players the most time. He played in the NBA. Kobe Bryant. But yeah, LeBron's been there for seven or eight years now. Kauai was only a superstar there for like two or three

before he got hurt and left. Yeah. like two and a half. Yeah. Yeah, it's the Lakers. Maximum. Okay. Lakers win.

But the Spurs give them a room for their money. Like this isn't a blowout per se. And most teams that get blown out by the Lakers. Yeah. Most teams are being blown out by the Spurs. Facts. Yeah.

We bit them up with the one team that lose against. Yeah. Set them up bad. All right. Next up, we have the Washington Wizards versus the Charlotte Hornets. All right. We have Gilbert Arenas, John Wall, Alex R? Question mark.

Or Al Jefferson. Kemba Walker La Mello ball question mark I don't know I don't know this is filthy to set up

them after the Lakers in the Spurs Alex our question mark con con con sinful question mark I don't know I almost would rather

put con than the millo right now as you speak we got to stuff that but this is disgusting work Al Jefferson is on my screen

right now Al Jefferson Risgibudor arena is who he's upy tire Khamboz no one's ever had. Kimbaughan his hands down. John Wall was better than Kimba. It's the Wizards.

Yeah, it's the Wizards. Is it? Lamello. Okay, you write that two out of three. You're right there two out of three. Listen, Sarr versus Lamello Ball. Where's that conversation going to be 10 years from now? No way. No way.

The only reason why the Hornace can get this is because there is a literal question mark by Saar. Yeah. And so it's really three on two. So we're not going to play Anthony Davis here? No. No. Zero games in his career?

We won't see him for like eight more months. Shout out to the wizards. Trey Young. You're not going to see AD in the Jersey for eight months. That's why we don't need to. You want a top three pig. It's fine. They're running my guy.

Next up, we have the Dallas Mavericks versus the O KC Thunder. On Dallas side, we have Dirk, Luca again. I'd just say ooh like that. You're frying me. Okay, so Dirk, Luca again, Cooper flag. On OKC side, we have KD to Russ to SGA. KD to Russ is interesting because they played together, but that it was Russ's team, so I get it.

Yeah. I don't know how to parse that. I mean, it's clearly the Thunder, though. It's MVP to MVP. Facts. So it really just like doesn't matter at this point. But like Dirk, MVP, obviously, Luca better than Russ even than not being an MVP. Obviously, Shea is where it ends.

But before that, like, depending on, in five years, it could be a conversation when Cooper Flagg hits his prime. Yeah. I think it will be a conversation when Cooper Flagg hits his prime. I don't know. Because the, the heights that KD hit and the heights that that Shay hit are. Yeah. Those are tough.

The single season height of what Shea just did is tough to compete. But Dirk is 2011, so that competes with it. Although, Katie, well, Katie doesn't have the way. He didn't do that, you know? So it's not, yeah. Katie's pites compared to Lucas Heights in terms of getting into the finals and like being an MVP. He didn't, he didn't, he won the MVP.

Yeah. And that's a, that's a separator. Yeah. But like, you know, the trophy's not there. The 2024 season, though, is as impressive as a specific KD season with the Thunder. Because he didn't make the finals in his MVP season. True. True.

True. I think I'm leading OKC still. Yeah, I am going to OKCCC. Yeah. OKC wins. he wins because Cooper flag is so young. Okay. Next up, we have the Chicago Bulls

versus the Golden State Warriors. On the bull side, we have Michael Jordan, Derek Rose, Josh Giddy. Oh, hell not. On the other side,

we have Will Chamberlain, Steph Curry, Brandon Podzzymsky. The next generation is there. Ponds versus Giddy. Don't trade those fucking picks. We need to keep our ammo for the pods era.

Oh, man. This is so you got, Oh, man. Pud said, I watched Team USA last summer. I said, I'm next. Could have been Kaminka, but hey, I'm playing with them. Some people choose different paths in life. Warriors clear here.

Do they clear? Also, we've got to Will Chamberlain. We go back to the 60s. It's a 60-year gap. God, which he wanted to. God damn. Yeah, do the war is clear? I mean, the rules have a better player in two out of three.

Curry laps, like, whoever you want to stack Curry up against between like rose and jordan that's fine if if we're going curry versus rose heights are so much better if we're going will chamberlain versus derrick rose the height is so much better but giddy clears pachemski sounds like two out of three giddy smokes pachemsky no i think a lot of contending teams would rather have pajmsky cat nah i think a lot of continuing things would rather have pod we saw the low territory but i think giddy at this woman i don't argue about this I agree with too much irrelevant shit. I ain't doing it today.

I know myself. It's the word. Gidey at this moment in time is the poster boy for the dynasty starts after you. They traded him away. Yeah. Got Caruso then it's like, okay, we're just going to win 80 games this year. But Pajetti would be like, the dynasty ended with you. You were the signifier that the Warriors dynasty has officially.

The white flag? The white flag is nuts. We're done, guys. Listen, low-key, hard nickname. The white flag? Oh, shit. Cooking, you're right. That's crazy.

I guess the Bulls win. Next up, we have... No, the Warriors win. I guess the Warriors win. I meant to say. Okay. All right. Next up, we have the Celtics versus the Knicks.

Ooh. Larry Bird. Paul Pierce. Isaiah Thomas. Jason Tatum. On the Knicks side, we have Bernard King Patrick Ewing

Carmelo Anthony Jalen Brunson I'm not going to lot Listen we kind of get this Did you get this Do you? It's a it's a tie minimal Because Ewing is better

than Pierce And Mello is clearly better than Isaiah Youing's better than Pierce But Pierce got the ring So like maybe that evens it out Ah That's a one out What do you mean is that he has a ring

He does However Bird is better. He's still better. Are we counted rings or we kind of just like who's better? Both. Yeah. I understand.

I understand that. But Pat is better and then Mello is better than Mello is better than. How big is I got, though? Is he? Is Mello better than. All right. Now. Come on.

Let's talk about it. Let's not be dead. Logito. Let's not. Let's not be. One year peak versus one year peak in the team's uniform. Come on. That under Thomas year might be better than 2013, 2014.

Come on. Let's talk. Let's talk. That's a call. Let's pot, Donovan. If I speak, I may be killed. That's a real combo. Like, obviously, career-wise, Mello's better.

One year peak in uniform. The IT year might be better. We got to stop it. We do got to stop. You are right. We do got to stop. Wasn't he on the MVP ballot? Isaiah Thomas?

Yes, he was. Carmell did not touch that M&P ballot. It didn't sniff it. It was 2013. Fair. Who did Isaiah Thomas, Lucy? What year was that again? Was that 16?

That was Russ. Oh, 17. 17. Hardin. He lost the brown too. Everybody lost the brown like me. Coping. First of all,

it's true. Second. So Tatum has a ring. Second of all. I'll be damned. I'll be damned. I'll be damned. He sat up here and say,

Isaiah Thomas is better than Carmelo Anthony. Consider yourself damn. We're going four oh for the Celtics. Sweet. And Paul feels better. I've never seen nobody more damned than you right now. This is. This is damned.

One way to get to hell, buddy. This is ridiculous. 4-0 sweep. How? Wait. How is how is Pierce better than Pat? Rings. How's he better than Pat?

Jewelry on that wrist. We get a dude from Boston in here and I. Everyone wants to talk crazy. Because we got some Northeast in there. Fine. Three one. You get a gentleman sweep. There you go.

I'm crying. Patrick, you don't get swept in the finals? Ooh. Oh, shit. Oh. I'm going to pelt your house with Dunkin' Donuts. and mad cups of coffee Oh, man.

Something to do it, obviously. Yeah. All right. It was audacious to say the next get this to begin the conversation. I said, Todd.

You know you're nasty. You said, Loki, we got this. That's that good what you say. Honestly, I just want to start that Isaiah.

Tom is going to be fair. Ty, Todd can be fair. All right. Next up, we have the Orlando Magic versus the Miami Heat. On Orlando side,

we have Shaq, T-Mack, Dway Howard, Palo Bancherro. on the heat side we have de Wade LeBron Jimmy Butler Bam out of bio

you could argue Shaq should be on that heat side too but it's fine It's fine Okay I think it's the heat easily Wade did what the magic Make it interesting Wade did more for the heat

than Shack did for the magic But Shack is better But 06 Wade versus young Shack Is that a conversation? Yeah he got the ring too Yeah yeah MVP caliber season LeBron obviously clears

Timak Butler clears Actually, does bugger clear Dwight? That's close. That's mad close. Obviously, he had made the five, two finals trips versus one. Exactly. DPOI versus all round playoff rising, all, all NBA caliber player.

I don't know to parse that. Maybe go Dwight slightly. No. They're damn near time. Now, playouts are crazy. Well, that's ridiculous. Yeah. Now, what about that last five?

Oh, shit. I'm not talking about BAM. I'm not talking about BAM. Please. 2020 BAM is the best version between him and Palo and Carol. I am taking BAM over Palo. 2023 BAM is better than Palo has ever been. I've never.

seen a fall off this bad job this is a disgusting conversation that honestly who gives a shit because he got the other three so doesn't matter but nasty conversation it's probably Miami yeah yeah it's Miami all right next up we have the Brooklyn Nets versus the LA Clippers the battle of the secondary teams in their own cities um we have Darren Williams Kevin Durant and pj and the clippers we have Chris Paul, Kauai Leonard, and newly acquired, there's Garland.

It's the Nets and I, I'm not going to say, actually, yeah, it's the Nets and it's not close. One of these guys has not even played for the franchise. The other one has brought

insane shame to the, to the franchise, and the other one never got to the conference finals. This is clearly the Clippers. Why? Well, one, NPJ for Scarlane is hilarious.

The two guys will start to go to the Fours. I'm going to ignore that. There's just two on two right now. That's nothing. Kauai has played longer for the Clippers than Kevin Radden for the Nets has been better. even though he's done her all the time he's done more for the clippers than vice versa

yeah he has done a lot for the clippers negatively he's done so much and obviously planted a lot of trees obviously CPC clears the nets that clears d'amily allegedly allegedly this is clearly the clippers i think but the highs katy had the craziest peaked out of all them for their respective teams 2021 kawai was damage just as good as kevin durant that year when he should have made the finals 2021 kawai was a monster and 2020 that peak is like neck and neck Katie's peak. I don't know how to parts, which is better between the two, but Katie made it to the conference finals.

He did. Chris Paul, shout to him. Matt, 3-1 leads, blown. It's Darren Williams. You know how he feels about Darren Williams. A fact, my bad. Not too much, man. We're acting like they didn't get to the same place.

True. But a different calibers, though. We're acting like Chris Paul's tenure was some crazy success. They also are the definition of underachieving. Yeah. But it's different weight class of talent. He's going to bring a water gun to an Uzi right now. Both guns.

Does Kevin Rans single-Hen-Haddy win this? And the fact that Michael Porr Jr. has done something and Garland's on nothing? Yes. Okay. It's the next. I think the CP3 gap is bigger than the KD gap, but I can understand what Michael Porter Jr. for some fucking reason. That's crazy.

It's the Clippers. It is the Clippers. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. All right. Next up, we have the Houston Rockets versus the 76ers. They do have a connection here. both teams had Moses Malone.

So I have Moses Malone on both sides. On the rocket side, that goes from Moses Malone to Hakeem Olajuwon to Team Mac to James Hardin. On the 76ers, it goes from Moses Malone to Alan Iverson to Jowell and Bede to Tyrese. Hey, man. I think the Rockets gets this one. I love Tyrese Maxie. They got him in a blender versus James Hardin. Levels to this shit.

That's a tough matchup for Tyrese. Yeah, man. Levels. But also, MVP and Bede clears Team Mac. Yes. Yeah, we're switching those around. This is damn near tie. I think, if you think about that way, Embedd-Wrardin, that's a pretty close battle.

Maxi versus McGrady, injury is considered that's a close battle. Hakeem kind of clears Iverson. I can't tell you which version of Moses-Belone is better. I do not know. I think I might lean towards the rockets. We have to go with the rockets. Because Lodgewans like fucking top 10 and then. I think the Liza one.

Better version of Embeddardin, better version of Iverson? Potentially? Is that crazy? I don't think that moves me enough. Then is T-MAC versus Maxi? It should be rockets. It should be rockets. I think it's the rockets.

Well, there you go. Yeah, there you go. Pretty simple. Yeah, there you go. Everyone agrees. All right. Next up, the New Orleans Pelicans versus the Memphis Grizzlies.

We have Chris Paul again, Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson, versus Powell Gasol, Zach Randolph, and John Morant. Amen. really go Gassal, Gassal Morantz.

Yeah, really good. Let's do that. Gassal, Gassal, Marantz. Zach Randolph has an honorable mention. Does the double Gassal move you? No. What? But it's cool.

It's cool. I get it. It is cool, though. Like, we got Gassal, Gassal, Dunk Man. That's, they win the cool factor by far. Yo, they really don't have much after Gassol right now. Like, it's just a blip in history. The Pels don't have much either.

It should have been Mike Coney maybe said, but even then. Well, I think talent-wise, the Pelicans clear pretty easily. But in terms of the success that the players garnered for the team. Success cannot be a part of this conversation. Don't use that word. Why not? Well, there's the grit and grind. I mean, the gritty shout out to them, but.

You're right. They did make things interesting. They got to a conference finals. They had an era. They were pushing people to Hard Series. Ad, you had that one series where he beat the Trailblazers? is something. Yeah.

Yeah, but compared to the whole era, the Grin'Grine era. Yeah, the green grind era is definitely better. Chris Paul clears Powgisal, obviously. Yeah. And then John Morant, Rosanna-Olemson, take your motherfucking pick. I'll take Joe.

Great. Sure. He's won one playoff series to Zion Zero. That'll be the signifier. I guess so. Chris Lee's you in. I think I'm taking the Pelican still. AD and Chris Paul,

that power that they have is, like, actual stars in the league. The, bro, the heights of 80 reached. again back in 2017, 2018. Which makes it funny that there's absolutely no success on this list, despite having better talents. That makes you want to go with the Grizzlies, a bunch of guys who did absolutely nothing,

despite being some of the most talented players of their generation. Have to do it. And that includes Zion. It's in its Pelican Sacks. Year 2, year 3, Zion, one of the best players I've seen. I'm mounted to jack shit. Can you believe, like, it's so crazy how he's like the healthiest that he's ever been, his game has still been, like, relatively the same.

And your team is one of the three worst teams on end. any given night in the entire league. Startling lack of progression. Ridiculous. Yeah. He had a season where he had like a 70% shooting. How was he a no impact player? It truly is insane that he's going out to sad.

I would rather him just go out, always injured. At this point, have like idea that in your head that, yeah, like with him alone, we could get to 40 wins. Nah, bra. Oh, hell no. 40 minutes? 40 wins. Oh.

Him alone 40 wins, though. That's actually pretty tough. Not a lot of guys can have that signifier. You can't get to get your guys to like throw. already know with him alone not a lot of players are walking 40 wins like I mean I need to know like who's the worst player it's a walking 40 wins Devin booker's not a walking 40 wins he's like the prime devon I think you get to 35 what do we mean like a average ass team around you like 2017 thunder around you we have got that's bad that's saying that's wait what do you

what do you mean because that 2017 thunder was like that yeah yeah the team around so worse and average that's why correct to myself who's an average team around you Porting Cast this year. But they have a good coach. That's tough. Let's say if you did have Jordan. We'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say like your coach is. You have Mark Williams, Dylan Brooks, Colin Gillespie, and Royce O'Neill.

Can you get to 40 wins? Janus would. But he's, uh, is it Evan Booker doing that this year? Yeah, but he's Jordanott. So let's say Jordan not wasn't there. No, no. Give them the coach. Givin, I mean, he's him.

Like, that's like, he's an incredible coach. Yeah, we shift this entire conversation. There's probably like 10 or 11 players. I can be walking 40 wins. I think all these pieces makes him more complicated but there's not a lot of guys I can do that

I have those expectations for him though Is Tatum a walking 40 wins All right Yes Come on I'll push me off No he's not

Yeah Okay Jalen Brut He's a walking 50 wins man You know that 50? You know that Okay Okay

Have 50 wins with Hartnstein As his center What? Incredible A champion Ernstine? Early Hartinstein Incredible player

He was the Early heart. Dime in the rough. What? He said that like he was neurons in the well. What? 28 million dollars of your player, by the way. Overpaid, by the way.

No, he's not. Not even close. He was. All right. That's a lot of money. What we go with the last one? New Orleans or? It really doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. Yeah. All right. Next up, we have the Sacramento Kings versus Atlanta Hawks. Ew. Yep. On the king's side, Chris Weber, the Marcus Cousons. De Aaron Fox.

Keegan Murray? I don't. Zach Levine? I don't know. Keegan Murray's nasty. The Atlanta Hawks, we have Joe Johnson, Jeff Teague, Trey Young,

Jalen Johnson. Jeff Teagle, Ralphor kills me. That's insane work. I did it for the means. But hey, listen, Atlanta Hawks, regardless of the fact

they have more productive members to society than the Sacramento Games, bro. Yeah, DeMarx, was on his podcast the other day talking about how he said, said he gave the nastiest misinformation of all time

bro he doesn't know anything what he said he said some shit like oh like I can't believe I think he compared the mellow ball to oh to Shay he said he said he said that he doesn't no I know I was a lot of that's sure yeah he said they're not too much hate for that he said they move

the same that's different he said they play the same what he meant is they moved the same and they do have similar dribble moves so I know he was cooking he just used the wrong verbiage. What did boogie say? Boogie said something disgusting. I don't remember, I don't remember right now because that irrelevant, but please find that for me. All right, we're slander to fuck out of boogie without knowing what he said.

Guys, apparently baseless slander. On the other hand, defamation. Bro, for the Atlanta Hawks, Joe Johnson, Iso Joe, he's getting us so many highlights. He's on a podcaster Shannon Sharp and and Ocho Singo. Jeff T, talk about the podcast game. Trey Young.

Former podcaster. Ah, please. Jeff Tee, peak podcaster. three podcasts on one side zero on the other side that gives the Hawks the victory any Etherd Pat Bev any Ethered Pat Bev

I'm so happy he's in jail right now man He's so big He's not in jail He's just in Israel Play basketball Wait is he still there I think so

No I thought he got cut Oh no do you get cut because of this I'm not sure but I thought he got cut Oh no you're right no I forgot He's playing in Greece now I think Dude he's still playing in Greece now He's somewhere getting bricks up He got cut by

Tel Aviv and he's playing in Greece now. Dude, that's what they're going. I remember I saw a comment where someone's like, no, he's not in jail. He's over here playing for this Greek team and we don't care about criminals, so we love him to play. He's like, they've never cared about character issues. That's nasty. Damn.

We have three podcasters to zero. All I'm sensing is a hawk sweep. That's what I'm sensing too. Yeah, we're going with the Hawks. All right. Next up, we have the Milwaukee Bucks versus the Denver Nuggets. On Milwaukee side, we have Kareem. Wait, hold on.

Timeout. I found the tweet. So the Marcus Couss is the one on that podcast or that show, whatever. And he said, I quote that Mike Conley move for lamella ball. I think that's probably the most impressive move of the deadline. What the fuck are you talking about right now? Mike Conley for the mellow Ball? That's what he said.

What did he mean to say? I don't know. I mean, neither. He's out of the fucking loop completely. That had to be a mistake where he's thinking of something else, but I don't know what he's thinking of. It was like, like, he thinks that like, lamella ball's on the T-wools. that's what he's thinking right now

wait what is he I have no way to spin this okay so I had Asumu is on there we're getting this boogie and this boogieated what is he thinking okay no he met Ia Dissumu for Mike Connolly that's what he meant

because I was Osumu Mike Connolly got traded for each other kind of roundabout way where does Lavello fit I don't know but he clearly made to say Iezu Casian the tweet Cadge was reading from my

yeah he met Io we can't try to rationalize the stupidity from his mind right now. He met I.O. It's a simple rationalism. He did not mean I. Oh, yes he did.

He got married from my colleagues. You're not going to defend the Marcus Cousinsman, not right. Like, can you like rash what he's trying to say? He said he's not a contributing member to society too. He's going to not doing much right now. He's going to way too hard for a mental gaffe. What is he doing? I mean, obviously he's just talking, but like this is, I don't think it's another.

Go show for show right now. I don't know. I don't think it's enough to say that he's not a competent member. All right. That was not good. I was trying. I got to do whatever it takes to defend these talks. You're so enraged by this.

He meant to say I hope. I got to defend my husband. He means possible. That is hilarious. Yeah. He might have just been sliding a bit more. What do you say fuck boogie for? What are we doing?

Whatever. You may not make one mistake for the rest of it. I just want you. I don't know. He saw the explicit saw. Oh, the Marines' because it's not a

legitimate to society. No word from on the other side we got podcasters. Who provide value. I need to memorize

box scores down to every single stat line. You reacted so extremely. Bro, it's the NBA trade deadline. It's a trade deadline.

You can't be just talking to talk like that. You need to be rain man for the next five. It takes five months. He shot 3% last night. It's like we see people fuck up all the time. 62.5%.

Dude, we just saw Reggie Miller say that. Derek Ross had an eight-year prime where he's going band for band with LeBron or something like that. Stuff like that's like, okay, like, you know, that's worse. You said it was top 15 to 20, 10 minutes ago. I said that was a consensus. Time of.

I said that was a potential consensus. You were going to be top 20 to 10 minutes ago. I do not say that. First of all, that's not even the consensus. A bear. I said worst case scenario. Consensus is like eight or not, I think. Worst case scenario.

You said 15 to 20 games. Listen, man. It's crazy. People hate on COVID. That's not me. People don't hate on Kobe that much. People do. My algorithm is just on the wrong side of things.

Back, you're a crazy ecosystem. All right, who's next list? All right. We have the box. versus the Nuggets, Kareem to Ray Allen, to Brandon Jennings, another podcaster,

to Yannis. On the Nuggett side, we have Alex English, Carmelo Anthony, Ty Lawson, Nicole Yolkin. Man, the bookends of the bucks

are really doing a lot, obviously, for obvious reasons. The bucks are going to win this for me. Ty Lawson and Brandon Jennings. Let's talk about it,

man. Ty Lawson, is better? Or had a better career? Either way. All these Hall of Famers. And then we have the... Bro thinks he's on the team.

Crazy arrows in between. Quite the departure. Pro thinks he's on the team is crazy. Brodhs is on the team of Bucks greats. I was close to putting Kenneth Farid on there, man. I ain't going to lie. I was not to me. I did love Primatown Austin.

I just love playing a two game with him. Yeah, he was like, he was fired. He was fired. Jump shot was Cajot was Caj. What are the coolest one-time All-Stars? Oax's base on like U-K-17. That's just cash. One of the coolest one-time All-Stars.

Did Brandon Jennings ever make an all-star? No. Hell no. He had his best year at his rookie year. No. He didn't make the All-Star. It was also cold and too. He's so violent.

He didn't. He wasn't even close. I remember him, man. So, come on, man. He wasn't even close. I'm the same. He was bad. He said,

Hell. Exactly. He's not even close. Are you crazy? The fuck? Just for you to ask that question, it was like, come on.

He wasn't even close. To be fair, he was not even close. Like, I've never heard anyone be like, oh, you're making awesome. No,

what? He's right. It was funny. No, I mean, Brandon Jenner, he had it, I'm looking at it right now, had a year where he ever was like 19.

Had a year where he avered 17. Like, he was a solid guy with like, if he sneaks into an all-star game, he's a one-time all-star kind of, kind of caliber as well

like nah man nah he's not terrible or anything he's a good player yeah damn I just didn't think

he was like hell no I was gonna say like he's blank because I mean he's not throwing somebody else under the bus

yeah treat him like he's a man of Moudier all right and I think that's it that's it so he didn't throw Mudiate

under the bus next thing we're going to do we're going to play a game where me, Donovan, and Mo are going to say NBA players until Beasles can guess the category of players. So I'm going to text you all player right now

and we're going to rattle off players I've bit that description and Beasol, you got to lock in, tell us your thought process by every name and try to guess what they all have in common. I'm guessing the category, right? Yes, the category. What they all have in common.

Okay. Yeah, and there will be one like adjective defining bucket, throw all in. Gotcha, gotcha. All right, I'm locked. I'm locked. So you guys, the specific barrage I used.

Okay. The second, the last word. First player, Steph Curry. Okay. Devin Booker. Shooting. I'm sensing some shooting on the board. LeBron.

Okay, maybe not shooting. Maybe something else. Nike. Okay. I don't know if this counts, given. There's some specific here that. I don't know if it counts, but Jason Thadam. Counts.

Counts. Okay. Jason Tatum. Counts. Couts. Super counts, actually. Yes. Said Devin Booker earlier.

Blake Giffin. Counts. Yes. Um. Bam, out of bio. Counts. That threw me off. I was thinking light skins and then LeBron and then bam.

Nah. Okay. Here's one that might help you. This is a good lob. Lamar Odom. Lamar Odom. Lamar Odom. That was not a good lob

What the heck was that? Trust me, it's a good lob That's very solid It might have been a poor pass accuracy law But it's a lot That's very solid Okay, let me double check In this information

Lamarotto You can skip him That threw me off While he waits Dwayne Wade Oh yeah Yeah, Dway Kyle Kuzma

That's a good one Probably tough for most people To be helped with That's a good one Are they from L.A.? He'll understand, though. No? There might be an L.A. Thai.

As part of this, but they're not from L.A. L.A. Tye. Maybe don't ever think that. Maybe I shouldn't have said that. Okay. Jordan Clarkson. Jordan Clark?

I don't even know about that. Okay. Yeah, he is a, yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's not super. Yeah. He counts.

He has a, that's a hint. Hmm. Ah, this wasn't. I wasn't hint. No. No. No. They're not.

Well, it might be. I don't know. But don't think about that. Oh. Yeah. Kobe Bryant Yeah For

Don't think about Kobe That's gonna fuck you up There's a couple of them We're gonna fuck him up with Okay Don't think about Kobe Don't think about LeBron That's gonna fuck you up

Okay Yeah Lebron actually shouldn't have counted I see where we're getting at No No Lebron Yeah I think I think

I think right now Lebron counts more than than Kobe Yeah well Kobe certainly doesn't count Because they count But for whatever Obviously

Maybe I shouldn't occur either Pro I'm good No but like that's Yeah, yeah, but it's hard. The sequence of events doesn't make it complicated. Okay. Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons.

Okay. Playoff chokers? No. Carl Anthony Towns. Yes. Ben Simmons. Very fair. Carthetowns.

Come on. I'm going to throw you a big bone here. Chris Humphreys. They dated Kardashians? Close. Yes. Gettys? Scotty Pippin.

They have celebrity wives? Yes, there it is. They dated a. famous girlfriend or wife LeBron definitely doesn't count. What? It's tough because he made her famous but she's famous now. She's famous. She's famous. But he

said this to the bra. I said Aisha Curry as like the stretch. Iisha Curry. She was on a Hannah Montana episode. Exactly. That's why I said. Aisha Curry was? Yeah. I should have know that. She's on TV all the time. Iishia barely cross. It's hard whenever they're famous because they're dating the famous player and then become famous after that

maybe I shouldn't have even started that trailer. Okay, Lamar Odom does make sense. Damn makes sense. Okay, I see it. Yeah, I think Jordan Clarkson also dated Kendall for a second. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, let's do another round,

and this time, let's do it with, who wants to do it? Donovan or Moe? Who should put on the spot? Let's put Mo on the spot. Let's do it. Okay, let me text you guys another category. Let's do...

You flip my devices. Okay. Don't worry, you're not going to get the text. Okay. Be soles, Donovan, I sent you guys a text with the category. Yep. Okay.

A little hard. Yeah. I'll be high. First player, Alan Iverson. That's the first name I was thinking of. Okay, swag or influent. Tattoo, braids. I'm getting somewhere.

Kobe Bryant. Okay. Okay. Jason Tatum. Fair. You can fuck him up right quick. Zion Williamson. Zion Williamson, A.I.

Tatum. What does Zion have in common with these guys? It's not a damn thing in reality. Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin. Okay. I'm sorry to see a pattern, I think. Okay.

Derek Rose. Ben Wallace. Fuck. Ben Wallace is the tough one. Kevin Garnett. Kevin Garnett. Yeah. Shack.

noticeable hair styles is what I'm saying. I was almost thinking like mad athletic players. Luca Donchich. Okay. Now I'm lost. What is this white boy doing in my head right now? Not mad athletic. players. I'll give you that one.

Katie. Okay. Chris Paul. Whoa. That's a good pool. Chris Paul. Whoa. Okay. Michael Jordan.

All these guys are iconic as hell in their own right. I did say Zan Williamson. Don't forget that one. Steph Curry. Oh, okay. You got nothing so far? Steph Curry. What the hell, Blake Griffin? You're in a blender.

And there's fucking Luca. Why is Luca Zion in the same conversation as Jordan right now? Can't tell you. This is going to cook you. Or it may not. Angel Reese. Yo, what don't hurt? Why is she in this conversation right now?

Let me tell you another hint. I said my son of Michael Jordan last time, right? Yeah. Michael Jordan. You're going to hell. No, I'm not. I just helped you a lot. Whether or not you can pick up what I'm putting down is another question.

There's a guy who guys. My next one would be Carmelo Anthony. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I forgot he counts. Cyan. Shea Gilders-Alexander. Oh, wait.

Is this guys traded on draft night? No, Angel Reese was said. I'm not thinking about Angel Reese right now. Michael Jordan was said twice. Vince Carter. Vince Carter. It's great dunkers. Damien Lundit.

Dennis Schroeder. All right. I don't even know. what you're talking about now. I'm not joking. I'm in a buddy. Dennis Sutter and Angel Reese is not fair. Okay. You're making my life so much worse. Twice. First time I said it was Alan Iverson.

Alan Iverson, Alan Iverson, Alan Iverson, Alan Iverson. Nice. Angel Wilson. That doesn't give you anything. Danilo Gallinari. Okay. I don't know what the fuck he's doing. No. Why? Well, I'm, is there an international thing we're talking about here?

What? I didn't know that. Are you giving up? I give up. What are we talking? mentioned an injury so i'm not saying this is players on the cover of 2k they have international covers i didn't even know that i'm not gonna lie what the hell was zion doing on the 2k he's the next he was the cover he was a cover 2k 19 game was trash i remember it that's why that was a terrible 2k that was a terrible 19 everybody has 6 8 demons that dunked and everything i don't remember zion on a 2k cover that's tough i think it was on dame in the same year

I remember the dame. Because that was when they had old gen and new gen, PS4 and PS5. Yeah. New gen had Zion. Old Jen had Damien Lillard. Oh, Zion was on 21.

I'm tripping. Zon was 21? Yeah. Oh, you're right. We're talking about one of the biggest things that Zana's Steve is in this career. Yeah.

And we're talking about 2K covers, bro. Nice achievement. That was in hell. That was tough. That was tough. And that's the end of this episode. If you're still here, what should people comment?

Be soles, what should people comment? Angel Reese. Come and what you think about Angel Reese in all facets of life, and we'll see y'all next week. Or don't do that. And we'll see you all on Thursday. Yeah, we're good.