The Deep 3 Podcast - We Power Ranked Every 2024 NBA Team | Ep. 73

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

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We started last week's episode by talking about how hilariously surprising it was that Masai Ujiri finally traded his players. I know we waited for years of him to do it. I was under the impression that that would be the most surprising move to happen in the next couple weeks. I was wrong. The Milwaukee Bucks fired their head coach while being the two seed at 30 and 13. How have y'all been processing this last few days?

It was not surprising, but surprising, but also not surprising at the same time. I just keep going in the same circle of like, well, I guess it makes sense. but it's still kind of crazy. But it does make sense at the end of the day. Yeah. Me personally, I was not surprised in the slightest. We've been saying it. Watch how the Milwaukee bucks were moving

over the last few years when it comes to pleasing their glorious Janus de Kumpo. They wouldn't let anyone dare hurt his feelings. You say anything wrong to Thanasis? Yo ass getting cut from the bench. Yo ass losing the check. That's how they roll out about Yannis. They don't play about their Yonis.

And so they really don't. They don't play about him. I'm not surprised at all. He moves like LeGM, like for sure. Like, he definitely has that same type of role. Yeah, but it's an even sassier way, bro. You never see LeBron ever hop on a random podcast and talk about how he's unhappy.

Instead of do it in news. Yeah, man. We have Adrian Griffin being fired to talk about today. Terry Rozier being traded to the Miami Heat. Joelle and B. going sick on mode against Victor Womeniama and Carlinthetowns, scoring 60 while also embarrass himself in the fourth quarter.

Plus, as you see by the title, We're updating our power rankings today. We haven't done that since, like, the 15th game of the season. So, gonna be a long episode. How does I say that? Busy episode. Real busy. Man.

More content for y'all. Yeah, the crayon eaters are in for a good one. But before they go ahead and decide to enjoy, y'all need to go ahead, leave a lock on this video. Audio listeners, five star, five star, five star. That's how we're coming in 2024. There you go, man. No, thanks.

Yeah, let's lock it. Let's jump straight into the Andrew Griffin talk. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. So, like I said, the Milwaukee Bucks were 30 and 13, the second best team in the league currently.

But we all know throughout the entire season, they've had a very negative perception despite constantly winning games and a lot of that conversation started with the coach who's now fired was this let's start here we all know what happened this is happening a few days ago by now

we don't got to rehash exactly what happened to people do you think this was the right move yes I do I do I think it was the right move because from the jump at least from my opinion I'm only speaking for myself

it's been clear that something has been off with the bucks and despite the win They have not looked like they've clicked all year long. And it's always been a given taker of either the offense or the defense or like this Dame Yannis picking roll like that has never gotten fully off the ground in the way that we thought it was going to after the endseason tournament lost, there was the story about you know, Bobby Portis challenging Griffin and that was in December.

We had only played a couple games at that point, right? Terry Stott's walked out. There's always been something with this team where it's like, yeah, you guys are good, but you're not on that level of the elite of the elite of the elite with Denver and Boston and all those other teams. Something's wrong. From the jump, this shit has been mired in drama. Like you said, the day before the season started, Terry Stats is fired because reportedly

there was a skirmish with him and Adrian Griffin, you know, big dick contest. I was a former coach. I should get the pool. He probably got disrespected. Whatever happened, that ended up going that way. you said on the day after the in season tournament there's a report where apparently Bobby Portis got into a screening match with Adrian Griffin

that leaked but even before then before Christmas I mean before Thanksgiving there was a game where Janice got subbed out and then he subbed himself back in and was like standing away from the coach of the scorers table like just from the start there's been tons of drama clearly they don't respect this man and clearly everybody involved

is leaking things to the media to make it clear they don't respect this man cough cough Damien Lillard it's just he didn't stand a chance from the jump because clearly they had no respect for him and the personalities didn't mesh. I think the situation was cooked from the get-go and I sit here and I see the Milwaukee Bucks and I commend them for making a move like this when it needed to happen. But at the same time, I sense just like a little bit of dysfunction because, okay, you go ahead, you trade for Damien Lillard super like a couple weeks before training camp or maybe a week or two before

training camp. You sign a rookie coach when you know you have championship aspirations to a four-year deal. That is so tough to do. I'm not going to lie to you. And within that short span of time, the dude who spent nine years of his NBA career with Jamie Miller, probably knows Damiener the best out of everybody in the NBA when it comes to coaches. And to give you guys some inside scoop or read an athletic article, apparently Terry Stott's was trying to have a conversation with Damie Lillard and Yonastin de Kumpo about free throws or whatever it might be and Adrian Griffin was trying to start up a coach's huddle and Terry Stalt was like hold on let me talk to these players finish what I'm saying and Adrian Griffin was apparently just yelling off the top of his

long and just showing how big his balls was or whatever so you're right that's exactly what happened Isaac and so then Terry Stals was like but I ain't having who the hell this think who this hell this man think he is and so I just like Terry said that yeah He looked at what you is, boy. I look at them up and down. The interesting part, though, is clearly from that moment, Damien Lillard has never felt comfortable with this team

and he's been clear in the media several times where he says not comfortable in his role. That to me, okay, let me say this. Moe, last time we talked about Adrian Griffin, it was on our episode where we talked about teams that should be worried, and Donovan was like, yeah, the buck should be worried. You were like, Adrian Griffin's going to be fired.

And I was, this was like after game 20 or so. I was of the opinion of preaching patience with coaches, especially first-year coaches. Like, this isn't going to be something that's solved overnight. And I think that was the right move, right viewpoint, 20 games in. But since then, nothing's improved, man. Their defense is still lackluster. They changed them and their scheme back to what they're doing last year, like Brooke Lopez playing a drop like he's comfortable,

instead of doing the aggressive Toronto Raptor-style stuff they were trying to do. Yon is still being deployed the same way. They're still trying to do some different stuff with him. The offense has never clicked for a second. Adrian Griffin hasn't been able to convince Yannis to embrace being a screener hasn't taught him how to be off ball, how to find the right type of spacing. Damien Lillard is like 35th in the league in usage. That should never be the case when you have Damien Lillard.

You know, like all the X's and Nose reasons that were apparent 20 games in, but you can kind of be like given time. They just never got better. So you said you applaud the organization for making this move. I completely agree. From the jump, they fired Mike Boodenholzer because they're looking towards the playoffs. And they said, we know Mike can get us to being a good team. but maybe not going to be enough

to make us a great team come time that matters. They must have felt that same way knowing what they know in the organization about Adrian Griffin. So they said, fuck it, ripped the band it off early.

Why waste time? But it's funny because they fired Booderhoser after the round one loss. And the thing was, the thing with Bud is we are going to play

how we play, right? This is our system. We're not going to switch from it. We're going to live by it. We're going to die by it. I'm not making these adjustments. And then they go

and hire doc rivers who also knows who's also known for not adjusting right the i don't i don't agree with the next coaching hire on that front but the big part of this i think the from the very very start when we talk about like the terry stott stuff is when you talk about head coaches a lot of a lot of times right when you put x's and o's aside or some people might say the biggest part about being a coach is managing personalities is understanding you know how to bring people together galvanize the locker room get people to buy in and if you don't know how to talk to people right then you're just not going to get it done and so for griffin who started off on the wrong foot not knowing how to talk to people for doc who's coming in he has all his flaws schematically all

that doc clearly knows how to talk to people you've been talking his way into jobs for years now post post Celtics listen post rink post um you know meltdowns with the the clippers he's been able to still get into rooms get into head coaching positions so at the very least i think they might be better on that front on the idea that they're just going to like being in that locker room a little bit more you know 100% doc rivers is one of the least imaginative least uh needle moving coaches exes and nose wise every year they have playoff collapses part of that as you know his teams haven't been as good or maybe players been hurt whatever not always his fault, but he's never done enough to, like, lift the team over the edge and make smart

adjustments to help them win, he's not going to do that here either. But from a team that is floundering in every way, their transition defense sucks, they don't know where to stand offensively, they don't respect the coach. That's all low-hanging fruit stuff that is like just competency, right? And at the very least, Doc is very competent. Last year, the 76ers, the Joellen B, James Harden pick and roll was the highest volume pick and roll in the league. He knew, put the ball on my best player's hands, spam that motherfucker. And that's exactly what this team needs to do. So I have full faith that Damon Lillot isn't be more comfortable under Doc Rivers

and you know from a standpoint of like respect hopefully Yannis can buy into his role as a screen set or more like all that easy stuff to help them not shoot themselves in a foot Doc can fix that. You know what's so interesting about the situation too I didn't know until today that Doc Rivers is actually a consultant for Adrian Griffin. Yeah. Since starting like last month or a month and a half ago what the hell were you guys talking about um sure like things did end up getting a little bit better before the

timeline that yon is and the bucks are on right now they just weren't getting good enough and for all those reasons being said i completely with you guys when it comes to just the baseline black and white things he will know how to get the job done it's not rocket science whatsoever he knows it needs to be run he's seen dame lured over the entire his entire to the career. And I think when it comes to him just being a good communicator overall, which is one of his strong points, I guess. That's just all the team needs right now.

And they'll figure it out by themselves because they're just good. You say it's not rocket science. Correct. There's a lot of low-hanging free stuff they can do. But when we get to playoff time and you need some rocket science, that's where Bucks fans are going to find the cold hard truth by Doc Rivers. His rocket science bag is non-existent. Nick Nurse is going to make him look like a full 1-V-1 in a series in terms of coaching

matchups. And you know what sucks? for a second straight year. Tell them, Mo, because I know exactly where you're going. I was going to say, like, damn, like came out around this, around last night, he came out that Janus or the Bucks had an opportunity to go ahead and sign Nick Nurse during the offseason. Apparently, he had a lot of people on his side.

Nick Nurse had a lot of people on his side and seemed like he had the job in wraps until Yonis was like, no, I don't want to be coached by that mother effort at all for some weird reason. He wanted Adrian Griffin. He wanted a yes man. He quickly found out that that's cool in theory. You know what this is? This is an example.

I said earlier the GM comparison, moving like LeBron. Yeah. He doesn't have the self-awareness to know that he shouldn't get what he wants exactly, you know, because he thought he wanted a yes man that'll let him guard me, Butler in a series and won't make him be the shot blocker watching Drew Hauda get cooked. When he needed somebody that would continue to make him play in the system, well, listening maybe a little more than, Bootenholzer did, but actually be competent in the system and just be imaginative, though,

to actually make adjustments on like my boot and hoser. It's just the worst, it's also the worst example of player empowerment and the negatives that can happen if we gave your player too much power. Mm-hmm. And you can't, listen, everybody thinks that they, and this is another, not to make, it, it's probably is, though. This is just another example of like why LeBron is different, though. because even because even because even because even in his prime like lebron could do this and he's still

good enough at making everybody else around him better like lebron is is one of the rare players where he is like james try to have the quote where he's like i'm the system yeah lebron's that times 10 times 20 yeah of like he's a system you can give me tristan thompson thompson jr smith kow corber we're going to the finals right like i just i just need you to make sure that everybody enjoys coming to work every day and for yonis you're just not that right now right that's just that's not you and so yeah people yeah man we got we got to we got to start letting let people be coached by who you think is the actual best coach not who you know whatever star is is asking for and i think yonis is a big fault here like even on the court like a big part of why their offense hasn't clicked

is because he doesn't view himself as a big man setting screens and all into the brim. He wants to be a small forward dribbling, hysoing, doing his normal stuff he does.

You know, he's having an amazing scoring year. Honestly, having one of his best seasons. He looks like a man on a fucking mission. That's why they're a second seed. He's been insane. And that's why they're winning despite the coaching issues.

He doesn't want to watch Damien Lillard Cook. You know, so like he has to bind that system and find a balance there. And even if, I'm sure a lot of it was Adrian Griffin's fault for not capturing

in locker room being a good motivator, yon doesn't do a good good job of being the leader buying in either yeah he's running from the grind and what sucks about the situation to me is just the timing of it all like they have 39 something games left maybe 40 games left at this point in time and the only option the best option that they had was quite literally doc rivers i don't imagine a world and where i don't know someone like kenny atkinson would hop out of his couch and join hop out of a couch hop out of this couch from the Warriors to join the Milwaukee Bucks or someone like I don't know any other coach or free agent coach yeah there was a robust group there there's no real market for it

especially at this time it's so random and so like the timing just sucks and in my opinion I I'm happy that they did it but at the same time there's a thought in the back of my head is just like this shit might already be a dub regardless of the fact so maybe you said they gave him a chance just so you can see a better coaching market the following summer if it becomes available. Yeah, but I guess from their perspective, if they're very confident it's not going to work, the players are damn you're about to do a mutiny. You don't want to waste a prime year of Yannis. Who knows how many years he has left?

Who knows how many years Damien Lurde has left to being effective? Like, you can't waste a playoff run. Damn, that just hurt, man. I'm not going to lie. They're not getting younger. You know, I'm not saying next year they're going to be cooked, but you only have so many years in the title window. an old team. Especially Brooke Lopez. He's old as fuck. The whole team

is old. With Brooke and Dame, Middleton's knees are 45. Like, it's a bad look. It's a bad look for them for sure. Yeah, man. We'll talk more about the team and how we feel them going forward when we get to the power rankings, because they're obviously going to be an interesting part of that. So

I think we should move on for now and we'll revisit them when we get to them compared to other teams. Yeah. What's next? Did y'all get to watch Joe God mode? Because I know we were streaming when it happened. So we had to go back and watch next morning. Did you get to watch the whole game? It was insane.

We were streaming at Monday on Monday 8 p.m. Which you should tune into by the way. As we know what we do. But towards the back half of the stream, we were finding out through the chat, lit as hell as always. And we found out that Joel had like 50 something or something like that going into the fourth quarter. And we saw him absolutely feast on Wembe and their other big, I forgot his name.

God, he's a good player though. and um yeah no it was some other but yeah um and he looked genuinely unstoppable he looked like if kevin durant gained like a solid 160 pounds that's literally what he looked like out there man i saw i saw was there somebody that i saw no i think it was in the zach low podcast and somebody said that bon who is it was it was it bontem's no no no no it was one of those white reporters It was McMahon. I get them all confused. They're all, they have the same voices.

Yeah, but he said he's like Kevin Rambo's 100 pounds. That is so fucking true. Bro, this past summer, I was as critical as you, Donovan, as everybody else is, about Joelle and Bede. At this point, I'm done believing you and two do it in the playoffs. But what he's doing this year, this season, I feel like if you're still hitting on Joel and Bede and still pretending it's like boring to watch or not impressive until the playoffs, you got to stop hating because we're witnessing one of the greatest

scoring seasons of all time now. This is ridiculous. Yeah. You know what I do. You know what I'm about. You got to grow up. Can I see it in the playoffs? Can I hear it in the playoffs?

It's not. Shut up. It's not that it's not impressive because, listen, scoring 70 and going, going as stupid he was going, that's obviously impressive. It's just like, you're just waiting. You're waiting to see the full season from Joelle and Bede. And it's just, it's like, are we going to get another year of you winning MVP, scoring 50, 60 point games on every night,

Dominates, showing everybody how great you can be and then we get to a playoff series and you fall apart. Like, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to see that. Would you, you would be happy? Would you be happy if Joelle and B. Crumbled again in the playoffs? No. I mean, I wouldn't care that much.

I'm not, I'm not a six fan. But honestly, no, I don't, I mean, I'll go further. I don't give a fuck if he fails in the playoffs. I am enjoying the hell out of the season right now. And I think we have to do better at, like, just contextualizing like that a regular season body of work is still impressive you can separate it like do i think he's gonna win the finals like he should be in this level probably not oh well if it happens narratives will happen congressations will happen whatever but i don't want to like he needed to go back to back and be so deserving of it and i know it doesn't matter to do in the playoffs it comes to the territory of being an MVP you gotta show people but he's averaging more so far the season he's played like 1100 minutes and scored i think like 1,150 points over a point a minute he's averaging 50 points he's averaging 50 points points per 48 minutes. Prime Wilt scored 15 a season playing 48 minutes per game. He's currently on face to score more than Prime Wilt Chamberlain per 48. That's absurd. Like I, I can't give

myself the ability to give a fuck about the playoffs when I'm witnessing this insane of a season every night. Joe Alamede is pushing 30 and he's still taking leaps as a player. I think people don't realize how hard it is to do when you've accomplished already so much. Obviously, he didn't do none in the playoffs order, but he was literally MVP last season, had a tour of choice and it was well deserved. I think we can all agree on that. And for him to just add another level of just bag to his game, which is like the passing vision, which just opens up so much for him, obviously that's credit to Nick Nurse's

will and the system that he's implemented over the last few months. But to see this type of leap is so rare. And look, this is a generational. MVP season that he's having right now. Bro, he's shooting 53% on mid-range jumpers on the highest volume with the league. That's better than Prime KD. That's ridiculous

from a seven-footer. Like, what are we talking about? He's insane. Like, legitimately like, again, at all, the conversation won't go anywhere unless he at least has a respectable playoff showing, you know? Doesn't necessarily got to like make the finals, but he can't shit himself like he did last year. Conversation won't matter.

But assuming he does that and stays healthy and is competent in the playoffs, he's becoming one of the greatest scores of all time this year like it's not going to be you can't ignore it anymore yeah he's solidified in history and I think the last time I've seen a player just like this dominant and just like you can't do none about it man is like

2016 like Steph Curry you just can't do none about it man from a scoring perspective yeah like 36 points 12 rebounds and five assists from a big man what the hell like it doesn't make sense yeah he's ridiculous he's ridiculous and all and the whole team is clicking and went in two.

I just hope that Joe NB is able to play enough games. If not, then they need to throw away this stupid ass 60 whatever game rule that they implemented

over the off season. It's going to be terrible, though. They need to get rid of Tyreys He pulled his hamstring, had a two-week timeline. He came back and played nine days later.

Nine days instead of two weeks he got cleared, immediately re-injured that shit and he's missed more games since. Probably because he's pushing to hit that 65-game threshold because if he makes all-MBA, that's an extra $40 million on his supermax.

this is what happens from this stupid fucking rule we got Tyrese Hallibor missing multiple weeks now when he should be getting chemistry with Pascal Seaccom yeah it's a weird rule

and we talked about it we talked about it last time but I don't know you are correct in the in the fact that like Embed is playing at the highest level we've ever seen him play

and it is it is impressive and he said it the other day the key has the tweet pulled up all you hear back is I want to see him do it in the playoffs and then you know what a miserable experience that must be or okay it actually wasn't him that was somebody talking about joll and bd but like yeah it's it's part like you said it's just part of the conversation and i it's it's disappointing at some points where you're just like i like you want it badly for mb to have a playoff run to match the regular season you just want him to put it together and

And so that's why it's like, all this is nice, you are, we acknowledge it, everything that you're doing. We've never seen, we've like never seen stuff like this before from somebody your size to do it in the way that you're doing it. Please just like finish the job. That's all, that's all we're asking right now. And I, I hope we can see it, partly not so that I can be right. But I do want to see it. You're jinged over everything. Oh, my God.

Of course, of course. But I do want to see it and be play well, though. I understand it. I mean, part of it's human nature. Like, I was saying the same shit in the summer. Like, part of it, you get disappointed. You don't want to get burned again by the player who disappointed you. Like, it's human nature to want to see him perform at the highest level and be disappointed if he doesn't.

But I think a big part of that, which is a whole other conversation, is just like, the only discourse we have these days is like the first takeification of sports where we have to talk about it. Like, only thing that matters is your legs is on the line. Did you win the finals? Like, that tweet said, what are you watching sports for if that's all you're thinking about? I agree with that to some extent. Like, it doesn't always have to be this big picture conversation. You can just enjoy an insane season and appreciate greatness, which, you know what I mean? Like, exactly.

That's what it is. Here's the thing, right? On any other night, like, if he had scored 36, yes, I agree. On a night where he scored 70 points, this should be the only thing that we're talking about. There should be no playoff talk on a night where he scored 70, where you are literally watching him put on one of the greatest scoring. displays we've ever seen in league history. But if he just, you know, goes out, does what he does, hits his averages of 36, we can say, oh, yeah, he's having this crazy season.

He's scored 36. And then as, as we know, the regular season is a buildup to the playoffs to win the championship. That's what we're doing all of this for. So like, there has to be a little bit of that. So I don't, I don't get up too, too upset when people put all these playoff implications on games that happen in January. or February because that is what this is. It's a building block for this massive tournament in the summer.

No, again, I understand it. Like, part of its human nature, but I don't know. Just like, again, another tangent. Sports just covers nowadays is so just inherently negative. Like, it's like slandered until you deserve to not be slandered. That's just like the default setting for people. And it's just so tiring. Like, it's so weird how we've gotten here.

Like maybe it's an internet age thing. It's unavoidable. Maybe it's how people always have been. Who knows it? Yeah. things have gone two times 10 times worse Isaac and if you think it's going to get any better or any yeah any better i feel so sorry for you because i have terrible news because there's yappers like us who can afford cameras and anybody can say anything at any time possible and i think it's just

important to just sit down accept and beat for what he is and just drop your expectation and see what he does like if he's one of the greatest of all that if he carries this type of performance into the playoffs cool if he doesn't cool I mean what does the track record say what does the history say and it is what it is I'm not a sixers fans I don't give a shit what happens in the playoffs same bro but I will be here to slander I'll be disappointed and I'll stop believing in him if he does it again but we'll see I would say though my ideal outcome is Nuggets versus Sixers in the finals for obvious reasons oh my god it would be incredible it would be awesome that this course would be disgusting either way yeah it's being

nasty you thought at least we know that we would make the finals so he would be somewhat slanderproof unless he's just himself in the finals so it would be overall a win-win it'd be good for the narrative the league i think if we see these two bigs play each other in the finals absolutely and i think if joel and bide was to make the finals i think this is the best year to do it because the bucks are looking hellish shaky the soldiers are still good of course can't really ding them down anyway but outside of that who the fuck is stopping this team i guess you could say like maybe Miami because they always just have some magic black magic voodoo going on over there um but other than that like this is this should be his season realistically i'm soft launching the anti-boss intake

i haven't quite figured out how to put into words yet and like quite uh no you do articulate my thoughts listen we've had so many conversations and there's been so many text messages where i'm like you don't like these guys at all i don't but i haven't i don't like the Celtics as much as everybody I don't quite know how articulate the reason. I know why, but I don't know how to articulate the extent of which. Like, I got to figure out the exact way I want a word to take when I get it out there because I'm lower than everybody else

but how much lower I got to figure out. I still got some internal seeking to do. Listen, man, all I got to say is you will go as far as your best flare can take you. That's literally when it comes to this case. That's the opposite problem I have with the Celtics, but we'll talk about that in the Pirates again. Let's keep

previewing that. You mentioned that maybe Miami he can take him down. let's talk about the Miami Heat because a few days ago they came out of the woodworks and traded for Terry Rozier for Kyle Lowry and a future first round pick. Wild.

That's had lottery protected so they didn't give up a whole lot for him. Basically they swapped Kyle Lowry for a better scoring guard a better defender, not having probably a little bit below average passer but they get some of that scoring punch back

and they lost when Max Druson gave Vincent left. How do y'all feel about the heat now? Great, bro. This is exactly what they could. This is the best thing that they could have asked for after over the last few years. Basically outside of Jimmy Butler and Kyle Liry, I guess, consistently failing to land that next guy starting back from the 2017 offseason

when they were shaking their ass for Gordon Havre and putting pictures of him every in my name, making him feel like he was like Larry Bird or whatever. After that, failing to go ahead and get KD. After that, failing to, well, they're in conversations with Bradyville for like two seconds or whatever. And then as late, you can go down the whole list, every star. Yeah, exactly. Damie Luritt, of course. But after all those failures, I think this is the best possible move made for them,

considering the amount of value that they had to extract from their pockets because it was cheap. Very cheap. If something happens, something wrong happens, it's Terry Roads a year. What do you expect? But so much can go right off of this transaction. it's such an awesome fit man Donovan I'm not you're a big Terry guy you happen for years as long as I've known you

you love some rosier I love to tell me how you feel tell me how you feel guys I'm like a day away from picking the heat to get to the finals I I love this trade for them

so much and I listen at the start of the year I had my whole spiel about the about the heat And I apologized, but I think that that apology was a little bit too premature because I'd said that they were going to be a playing team. They're currently the six seed, right, right on the borderline of the playing. They're half a game up on the paces for the playing.

I said that they were going to be a bottom 10 offense. They currently are one spot above the actual bottom 10. And I said that they weren't going to win a bunch of games. They've lost three in a row, right? And this Terry trade The 16th in net rating. Not good. It's not, yeah, it's not great.

This Terry trade puts them in a spot where if Jimmy Butler does what he does in the playoffs, you combine that with Bamata Bio's growth and Eric Spolster being the best coach in the NBA and the fact that one of their bench players is going to turn into an all-star come April in the second round, there's not a lot of,

teams that I trust more than Miami right now. And to replace Kyle Lowry, who has been bad with Terry Rozier who can come in, give you another scoring punch, take some of the scoring load off of Jimmy Butler, make sure that Tyler Hero can really lean into this off ball stuff and now you have to worry about him and Duncan Robinson just running everywhere doing all this stuff. It makes them feel very, very complete. And I just, I'm very, I'm very high on Miami. I'm with you. I'm very high. I'm with you. I'm all in on them. Last year we saw them be really great because Jimmy turned into God against the bucks and was continuously good the rest of the playoffs still. Bam to bam things. And then they just had every game

one to two guards from their role player catalog. Immediately flamed over from three solid defense creating the penetration, kicking it out. It was just a constant rotation of high level guards that were shooting off the dribble extremely well. That just, you know, going to last year into the playoffs, the biggest problem was half-court offense. Nobody expected them to make a finals run because their offense is pretty met, similar to this year. But in the playoff setting, they have enough of a specific skill set to stretch out of defense and allow Jimmy and Bam to cook, and that skill set is off the dribble shooting from the guards on the dribble handoffs, on the screens and everything. That was last year. Gabe Vincent and Max Trues were the major

parts of that. They didn't have Todd the Hero for the playoff run. They didn't have Hamihakis who was playing for UCLA. Duncan Robinson was starting to look better, but this year he's a whole other level, being back relevant in the rotation. and now he had Terry Rozier into that four new guards, three and a half, Duncan was there, new guards to add to that stable and replace the guys they left, the immediate talent upgrade on what they were already doing well

in the playoff setting. They're going to be so good assuming Jimmy does what we think he can always do. You guys are speaking gospel to my ears right now. Over the last 12 games, Kyle Larry was averaging four points shooting 21% from the field or from the three point line.

Straight trash! and he was over here Thank you, thank you And he was over here crying to the media talking about some, oh yeah, I hope I don't come off the bench next game. Pat Rice said, enough for that man, get your ass out here and send it out to Charlotte's

Middle of nowhere, not middle of nowhere, but you know what I mean. Yeah. And so this takes, this makes them so much better. Now yes. Was there music playing just now? Huh? Yeah, there was...

Not music, not music, but the clapping was playing. There was a clap button. Oh, that was even on perfect. That's a clap button? Nice. Yeah, I was like, thank you. Thank you. Whenever I have a day.

Yeah. You were pressing the clap button for like the last 30 seconds. Yeah. I pressed it once and it kept going. I didn't know. I thought you had to like, I didn't know you had to press it again to make a stop. Listen, I felt validated. So thank you.

There we go. Keep cooking. I'm glad I know that now. But yeah, they got so much better off this trade, man. and this just took their ceiling to like everyone taking them so much serious again because again you guys mentioned Tahrir being in the fold um Justin or Duncan Robinson got so much better over the course of a year again and he just made himself extremely or way more valuable and um god this tweet is crazy okay I can't even you call it man you're right you're right

ridiculous. I know. It's just this is a team that you look at the talent level it's very impressive, right? This is a lot of stable of good role players from the guard positions but it's just like the perfect version of fit over talent because these players are going to fit so well around what Jimmy

and Bam do in the playoffs. Like it's all going to fit perfectly and in a way that I don't know if any of the team in the conference, I'm obviously with Celtics everybody's good so they fit extremely well the bucks you know fits kind of like the ify thing with especially defensive talent

you're not a lot of teams that you have such a seamless fit top to bottom in this new heat roster yeah I agree their ceiling again is probably the finals they're great yeah again we get to the power rankings we'll see well I guess

never mind this isn't really gonna play into it yet because the power rankings is about what I've done so far but yeah we'll talk about it well we'll talk about them versus other teams so we'll get to that and maybe this is a transition maybe now we start the power rankings talk let's do it let's get to this man

let's get this shit man so we're going to do our power rankings update them. The last time we did this was after game 15. So at that point of the season, you know, there wasn't a lot of games played. The point of the power rankings wasn't really to give like a accurate representation of what we thought would happen come playoff out of time. It was more so to get flowers to who started the season hot. So you know, like the Mavs were really high. The Rock was really high. Like we knew that wouldn't stay the way. Again, it was to get flowers. But this time, halfway through the season, we got a pretty good idea

of who these teams will become playoff time. So this power rankings is still just about what they've done so far this year so like the Terry Rozier trade doesn't come and do it we don't put the heat higher because we know they'll be better now because they haven't had them yet but you know we can do some playoff thinking since we kind of have a better sample size to know what it seems going to be like a little more holistic yeah yes it's all good before we get before we actually get into it let me say let me also say this okay if your team is trash I'm sorry we're not talking about them today right Detroit Pistons fans I know you guys won tonight against the Hornets.

We're not talking. This is going to be the most pissing sock you're going to hear today, right? Facts. Spurs fans. We're not talking. Washington, Charlotte. We're not talking about you guys.

You guys are irrelevant until April, until the NBA draft lottery hits. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? I don't get to talk about how valuable the center of Nick Richardson could be one day. Save it.

On your personal channel, you can do that. Not here. Not here. He said, make a TikTok. Yeah, we do a lot of episodes about negativity and teams that should worry. So we've talked about the warriors at length. We've talked about so-and-so at length of teams that are currently piss.

We don't got to do it today. We're going to spend, you know, it's already going to be a long episode. We're 40 minutes in, and we're just not getting to the power rankings plus take that time. We're going to stick to the relevant teams that are worth comparing today. So I know what we should do. Let's go and start and let's knock the bottom tier up first. Bottom 10. The bottom five.

Yeah, we're going to have the same teams in the bottom. Let's go straight to that. I'll give mine first Nico you want to pull up the slideshow so yeah let's just show the bottom five so clearly we all have the same teams here

you're going to start it my bottom five is the Pistons Spurs Trailblazers Grizzlies Wizards from 30 to 26 you guys have the same exact teams except we have the Hornets at 29 which you guys both are the same

exact bottom five Yeah we're here We're locked in We're locked in You guys have the Blazers entirely too high. If you've watched the Blazers recently, I had, I watched a full game of them because they played the Lakers recently. They are pitiful. They are, they are, they are Detroit Pistons land of like money laundering basketball right now. No, they suck. They suck. Yeah. At the same

time, here's, here's why, right? Here's why. Oh my gosh. You got to explain. We don't got talking about. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I was even going to give actual basketball analysis. It wasn't even about that. It was really just about the fact that some of these other teams, they'd be embarrassing themselves on a nightly base. I don't feel that much second-hand embarrassment watching the Blazers as I do everything You want to do watch them trust me they're horrible I'll just watch them I have Anthony Simons in my fantasy team so I'm keeping up with them those motherfuckers suck They are trash

Yeah man these are the bottom five we can gloss over this you guys know these are teams that are currently contention for the number one pick Not much to say about you in a power rankings episode we can keep going The Blazers did win today though or at least on track to win so I'll say that good for them these next five we'll talk about a little bit but also pretty irrelevant as you guys yeah you can reveal the whole thing

I have the Hornets at 25 the Raptors at 24 Nets of 23 Hawks at 22 and Golden State Warriors at 21 okay I have

sturdily mid teams yeah I have the nets at 25 the Raptors are 24 the Grizzlies at 23 the Hawks at 22 and the Jazz at 21 okay

oh nice The only discrepancy I have with you right now, Donovan, is I think the jazz are entirely too low. Way too low. It is what it is. It's okay. Bulls at 21, lockstep. We all agree. Hawks, 22.

Perfect mid. 23. Not even perfect mid, below mid. God damn. Anyways, 23, Tana Raptors, 24, the Brooklyn Nets and 25. Memphis are grisies. No one cares. Yeah.

So, Nets aren't interesting talk about grisies aren't. Hornets aren't. Raptors, they... They're interesting because they've done the trades now and they're going to have a solid chord to go forward but they're not going to be contending, right? They didn't get better with the trade necessarily. They got more interesting long term.

They're a team to watch. I've watched them a lot to see how RJ Barry looks, quickly looks, et cetera. They're not going to be relevant in conversations for playoffs of any sort. So we don't really got to talk about them. Yeah. And we're talking about the hawkent length

for all the trades they're going to do whatever. Yeah, the Rapt is only interesting from the standpoint of like, what could the future of this team look like and what players can really see rocking with Scottie Barnes now that he has like players who are a little bit more complimentary around him it's literally it though hawks are ass bulls are yeah the jazz are too low though that's disrespectful for how good they've been lately but we'll get

to that when we see the next tier and you see oh high at the jazz okay I'm surprised you guys have the Warriors higher than 21 yeah I mean relax relax relax it's okay are you have a yeah we can yeah we can yeah we can move on it's not a it's not a matter difference right yeah okay we're flying through the bottom teams y'all we're gonna give more death for these next teams. We're just getting through the ones that don't matter so we can really get to brass tacks. Yeah, no one really cares. Sorry fans. Rockets fans have like a vendetta against us that I've seen on Twitter because we don't praise and goon every five seconds. We don't, but we'll see if any other fans for the way after this. Rockets fans who claimed to be from

Turkey or whatever to, they threaten to docks us. Listen, I'm trying to make it right now. My life is so down bad. I have a hoodie on my head because I fell on last stream, but you didn't know this because you didn't fucking know the screen. Oh my God! Isaac, don't make my life any harder. He told some Rockets fan on Twitter who sent a long ass paragraph, basically threatened. It seemed like he wanted to kill him and me too, and Dodovan. And you too, Nikil

sadly. All right. Rockets will get to you when we get to you. Your time is just not now. Nice. All right, let's keep it going. Next one we got, we'll do our first five of relevant teams. Mo, tell us your 16 through 20. 16, I have the Sacramento Kings who have been slipping as late,

but we can talk to it, talk about it later. 17, the Orlando Magic. I probably should have had the Utah Jazz even a little bit higher now to think about it, but I digress. 19, the Houston Rockets, talking about you. And 20, the Golden State Warriors.

Okay. Yeah, the Kings are interesting. They keep bouncing around the standings. They're currently seven seed at 24 and 18, six games above 500, six games out of the first seed. They're hard to rank right now because they've been so up and down

they haven't they're like they're one of the teams from six through nine that are really fluctuating in the standings yeah I'll be interesting to dive to them when we see where everybody else has them yeah exactly I mean as of now it's just I'll save that conversation when we see oh wait Isaac you go before I do

oh I do whatever the slideshow says so okay next slide I guess it's me all right yep so here I have so I have the words at 20 we can swap them in the jazz it's completely fun too late damn on it I'm the

I have the rockets at 19 the bulls at 18 the Lakers at 17 and then the king's at 16 nice okay yeah you guys both of the kings

at 16 and both of the rockets at 19 yeah and the war is at 20 but you know yeah we'll see what happens but yeah the bulls okay the bulls and I probably I should have done the same thing

with the jazz because they've been honestly like just like the bulls they've been playing very well very well as of late and you know they're solid they're not an amazing team but they're the good they're going to be in the playing mix and so yeah good for them for sure yeah reveal my next five they all they definitely got a recency push you can go to the next one that shows all three of our list I have the bulls at

20 which a month and a half ago they would have been like 25 so they've definitely since Zach Levine got hurt and they really empowered Kobe white who's been cooking every time we make a tweet about all stars or anything we get hella bulls fans and like put Kobe white put Kobe white yeah We're not putting him on all-star list, but he's been great. He's proving himself to be a very legitimate part of that team. When Zach Levine went out, like I said, they started playing a lot more of a free-flowing offense that wasn't so sticky with Levine and DeRosen getting all the usage.

It's been a lot more movement, a lot more egalitarian offense, and it's been for the better. Now, are they going to be a playoff team? No, but it's encouraging and probably another reason from the trade, Zach Levine. Yeah. But after that, that was such an in-sync, yeah. Good job, you know. They're like this.

Today, man. We're locked in today. We all had the Rockets at 19. I had the Lakers at 18, so I'm the lowest on them. Maybe it's me trying too hard to not be biased, but they fucking suck. And as somebody who watches every single game, they don't deserve it to be anything higher than this. I'm proud of you. That's why I wanted you to go first because I thought you were going to have them in the top 15.

And I thought that I was going to be the lowest on the Lakers here. But shout out to you. No, shout out to you too, Donovan for not putting them even lower. For not being a bigger hater. The only reason why is because they have AD and, And there's still some type of hope that like, okay, maybe this team can turn it on and get into the playing and make a Miami heat type run. You know, listen, they did it.

They, you know, they did it last year. They went for the play into the conference finals. Maybe that something like that can happen after the trade deadline. But they've been since the playing, they've been, not the plan, since the end season tournament, they've been awful. They've been, they've been bad. I agree. If this was a list on like who I think would be the best teams come play out of time, like

explicitly projecting, the Lakers would be high. They'd probably be like 12th or whatever, maybe 10th. But, you know, in the nature of power rankings, we're ranking them based on what they've done this year, not theoretically. The point of this is, again, give respect to teams that have been playing well and actually getting wins, not theoretically being good, come play out time based on their best players. And there's just no way to have them high, even if you look at recency bias. Because, you know, they had that skid after they won the in-season tournament

where they naturally had to come down because, like, I saw, I actually saw Larry David, had a quote, I think it was on the Bill Simmons podcast. Bill Simmons quoted a conversation you had with Larry David. where he said he hates the in season tournament because he thinks it's unnatural for a team to get in that mindset midseason and be up like trying to win a championship.

Naturally, wait, let me finish. Naturally, you're going to have a falloff after because if you're putting yourself that mindset, you can't go back to being regular season. You're going to, like, that's such a drastic change and mood and shift. Like, you can't just go back to games that don't matter.

That's going to naturally cause a skid. And I think he was cooking. I think we might see this as a theme for going forward the in season tournament. It's probably going to be pretty hard to get back into being good right after. So I gave the Lakers

a little bit of pass in my head. Let's give them time to get better. You know, the 10 games after that, they lost like 8 the next 10. I was like, oof, this is getting worrying,

but I kind of, it makes sense to me. But they haven't gotten better since then either. Thank you. Thank you. They just, they suck this. Yeah.

They still suck ass. You look at the last 10 games, their 20th in offense, 21st for the season. The last 10 games, they're 14th in defense. 13th for the season. They're the worst team

in the league in three-point volume, and their last, in drives over the last 15 games. They don't get threes up, and they drive the least. They don't play particularly good defense. They're 14th and their ass at offense. There is no silver lining for this team. They simply are not good in any meaningful way.

That is the perfect recipe to be ass, bro. That's number one. If you ever want to go ahead and start tanking, this is it. This is the recipe. Just don't do anything that's super vital to be successful in the NBA in the year 2024. And you got it right now. Just be bad. Yeah, exactly.

Right now, they're just not complete. because they have one of the 10 blessed players alive right now in Anthony Davis and also LeBron James. And so it's impossible to be that bad. But over the last few years, the Lakers having an ass offense is nothing too surprising. This is what they've been since their championship year. They've always hung their hat on the defensive end. They've been strongly top 10 each and every year.

And now that they've been like not a potent defense, that is really what's hurting them. and it feels like they've gotten even worse offensive for some reason but I don't know at the same time this is just a perfect recipe just for disaster and like listen I had the jazz above the Lakers

doesn't that sound fucking crazy like that day back yeah think back in November it sounds crazy but the jazz have been on a tear bro they are good as hell they have been cooking they started the season

with a bottom three record in the conference they were legitimately horrible they were like 11 games negative and now they're currently only 22 and 23. So that means they went on a skid recently. They've lost three in a row now. So tempers it a little bit.

But before that, they had won like fucking 14 of their 18 games. I can't remember exactly. They're just an entirely new team now. John Collins is playing the five now next to the ladder market in full-time. Fontequios, they're solid, big three, get them a good big wing.

Colin Sexions is being inserted the starting lineup has been incredible, averaging 23 and 5 on 51, 41, 89 shooting. They're just a whole new team empowering a whole new different type of players Will Hardy's finally figured out the style of play that that roster is best suited to optimize the play. They're legit good.

Yeah, my bad jazz fans. My bad. I was hating, right? I was holding on to stuff that I saw last year with the jazz where I was like, listen, you guys were good, but you guys are going to fall off. It's just, you know, everybody has their moment in the season and I was hating.

My bad, because they... That is blasphemous. I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But they really should be in this like 20 to 16 range, for real. Yeah, Will Hardy is easily one of the five best coaches in the NBA to resurrect your team from the dirt who has absolutely nothing really to play for whatsoever.

A lot of people thought Danny H. is going to be willing and dealing and selling parts like Kelly Olinick. Folks were talking about Jordan Clarkson and folks were especially talking about large marketing since they've been so good. All those talks are just absolutely dead in the water. Oh, yeah. And he is not for sale anymore because Will Hardy was able to figure out ways to maximize guys like Colin Sexton, who hasn't had the best rep in the NBA. He recently came out and was very, very just like up front and honest, which I appreciate. And all of us NBA fans knows this exists to some form.

It's politics. And a lot of players carry like baggage with them or whatever. That's what a lot of people say. And the word on the street would call it sex was just how ball just tends to stick in his hands too much and I'm really a team guy and he's been fighting for his NBA career and now here he is he has a real opportunity he's been able to commit to a winning system and it's paying them dividends week by week as we see and so like I just I love everything about the scene they're playing as a team together no one has massive egos we saw Walker Kessler who's still like a great shot blocking

center one of the 10 best at it come on he's last year he was fantastic played for fucking team USA and all that shit and now he's coming off with the bench so I just love everything about this team there's a lot of buying like you said

like Walker Kessler is very overqualified to be a backup right now but they can't start him and John Collins together because John Collins has a function as a five so in order to maximize

a guy who they're paying a good amount of money that they have to get something out of in John Collins they bench Kessler which is he's only a second year player so like can't have that big

when you go like got to deal with it but it's like weird right to bench one of your most promising players but it works in the last 15 games they're fifth in offense

cooking, like I said, Colin Sexton, G, Lauer-Marketing, all-star caliber player, the 14th in defense with John Collins at center, who's a decent defensive player now, but nothing like he's not Walker Kessler, they're still above average at defense. There's sixth in that rating, seventh in the assist percentage, assist percentage on a list player. So they're moving the ball around well, nobody's sticking with it. No, Colin Sexton isn't, the ball isn't sticking with him, like he said. And they're first in pace, so they're moving. Yeah.

There's a lot of statistical signs that point to an effective team. that are excelling in a lot of key areas on Michael Lakers. And if you're looking at this team holistically, like, there's like, I know there's a group NBA fans that wish this team would have just sold everything off so they can focus on being trashed and building like the traditional way. But there's like so many ways to build a team other than what you're used to watching on like NBA 2K. You know what I'm saying?

Like I think something that's very underrated is building a team that has good infrastructure. the right way. There's so few amount of teams today that we can say like, you know, like they weren't absolutely trashed when they're retooling or rebuilding their team. They actually have a good culture brewing from the get go. And they already have an identity off rip. And when they do eventually land that star player, whether it be through draft because they have so many assets or whether it be through a trade, because again, they have so many assets. Um, or your free agency they are going to be towards the top of the NBA and a few years to come whenever that second second star or first star comes yeah yeah i i i completely agree with everything that you

said about the jazz and kind of just like that philosophy because you could be on the opposite end of the spectrum you could beat the the detroit pistons and you tear everything down and you just never know when you're going to get back up i think for a lot of small market teams being good or being competent and also for the record let's not act like the jazz didn't have a fire cell to sell off you know their their top two pieces like they weren't going to take like that that was the plan right we're going to trade dmitch we're going to trade gobert we're going to tear it down to the studs and get as many assets and they've just been able to hit early so it makes them look a little bit better but like i do agree that sometimes like small market teams can't necessarily afford to

be trash for years but yeah they didn't know liar marketing would become an all-star like immediately like that's I was surprised to everybody and that's the point though sometimes it's all it takes right yeah like the Pacers never tanked they got Tyries Halliburton in a trade they got Sabonis in a trade right now they have Seyakum in a trade

they have two all stars and never tanked like there's plenty of weight all of us fall into the bad habit of like tank tank tank tank tank want to rebuild because that is the most effective way to get to the top but it's not the only way is it? Yeah is it definitely is it the most effective

it's when it comes to losing the least amount of brain power to just be like how do we get good the quickest way possible be ass and get the number one two three out of the draft that's it you get the best players

in the league by being the worst I guess how it goes you get the highest picks you get the best prospects like that is probably the most effective way to do it obviously some of the best teams right now like drafted

Nicola Yoakish in the second round gone is 14 so there's outliers obviously the LA teams get free agents but that's the more sure if I wanted to go to build a good core but it's not the only way

yeah and me included everybody we all treat it like it's the only way And I think it was Zach Lowe I heard, was calling it building from the middle. And that's what they're doing now because they're better than expected. And you just ride that out, win games, make the smart moves when you can. And eventually you can just build on top of your skills and eventually get to the point where you're within shooters reign. Not shooters, right?

What's the word? What's the word when you're, whatever? But they're close to be able to make one more move whenever the opportunity comes to set them above. Now I want to know what word you're thinking about. Within, right? Yeah, striking distance. There you go. Yeah, man.

They're sending themselves up well to be in striking distance whenever a Starbrookin's available on the line or when they can or when they can draft the next star late in the draft or whatever. Yeah. Shout up to the jazz.

You guys have gotten your time on the Deep Three podcast. Exactly, right. A lot of fans of teams that don't get talking about a lot get mad at us for not talking about them. We're sorry. Listen, there's a lot of big market teams

that are interesting. It was only so awesome we can talk about them but that's what these power rankings are stuff are for. We are coastal elitist. We're sorry. Exactly. We're no better than the average

national media member get over it i live in los angeles it's fine one thing that i want to say before you flip over to the next section of guys is that the sacramento kings um we talked about the inconsistencies and how they've been pinging around over the last few over the last like 15 or so games or whatever might be deare and fox just simply has been wildly inconsistent whether i be towards like things or whatever but over the last 12 games he's average like 22 points shooting like 41% field and if this is all around is like in the gutter and so with that being said in order for this king's team to be afloat de errant fox needs to like continue to remain in that top top 15 player ish in the world's conversation in order for them to see like real success or at least

beyond the trajectory that they've been on since dating back to last year if he's not going to be that then they have no chance. Yeah, last year they were like, that team construction worked because Fox and Subonis were clicking on all cylinders complement to each other and their offense was just like

unfuck with the bowl. They were near the top of the league. And nobody got hurt. And nobody got hurt. Another 12th, granted they dealt with more injuries in last year because that was natural. Fox, his three-point shooting's come around.

He's still shooting 39% from 3, which is incredible, like for a player that's as fast as he is driving. But last year, he was such an incredible player because he shot 77% at the rim. By far, the highest of any guard in the league. That is Luca, who's always at the top for point guards because he's fucking 6-7.

That's like, 77% is a Yannis number. That's absurd. And part of that was because him and Sabona is clicking, and the spacing was great. Everything worked well. This year he's down to 64% at the rim, which is still 71st percentile, but it's more normal.

You know, like, I think Jaylon Brunson shoot similar. Like, it's nothing insane. And for him to be, like, one of the best scorers, offensive point guards in the league, he has to have that up higher, and that just hasn't been the case for whatever reason. Yeah, man.

We've been talking about these guys in, at least as of late, in terms of like, can they make a trade because, and this is, this is one of the reasons why I was a little bit down on them at the start of the year just because if you are not the number one offense, the way that you were last year, they did have a lot of holes. And so now going into the trade deadline and, you know, trade season, you have to figure out, are you either going to double down, get somebody to help your offense to, Propel it back up to like top five top three status to where now your system feels a little bit more normal or are you going to adjust your identity kind of on the fly get get some defense in the building and start being more of a like well rounded team. I think I think they're going to be okay and it's going to be interesting to see them in the first round because I think for them it's all about matchup. It's it's absolutely. Yeah, it's all about matchup in the first round. I want to see who they get. Mo, you've been talking about Zach Levine for months now coming to this team.

I'm just very curious. The next three weeks of Sacramento Kings basketball is probably going to define their season in terms of like, are they going to stay where they're at? Are they going to switch it up? Are they going to, you know, remain kind of just in this eternal middle for the rest of the year? Yeah. I lie. Jaylon Brunson shoots 57% of the rim, much worse than Darren Fox.

You're good. You don't have to say that. No, I'm happy. People get mad at me all the time when I misremember a stat. People in comments will be like, you just don't watch games, blah, blah, blah. Like, I'm like, I'm like, shut the fuck up. Excuse me.

To keep more words are crazy. Every fan that is mad at us, we'd be like, y'all don't watch enough Rockets games. I don't know what's watching enough Kings games. Whatever. Yeah. But I'm not taking a victory lap necessarily when it comes to the Sacramento Kings. But before the season started, yeah, softly.

I'm not taking a lap. It's a little. like speedwalk, you know, it's a brisk walk or whatever. You're on victory notice. You're sprinkling ears, soft launching victory lap. Yeah,

exactly. I said, yo, like I see every single team in the Western Conference get straight up much better, a level ahead, better than they were last year.

Talk about the Minnesota Timberwells, okay, whatever. They didn't really do too much. But the natural progression of someone like Anthony, or wasn't getting another year of cat, I mean, another year of Rudy Gaubert. They got better, bro.

Okay, C, gained it. one of the better rookies you've seen in a while in Chet Holmgram the Los Angeles Clippers damn they just landed Hardin the Pelicans

they got just got healthier bro and the Phoenix Sun they got fucking Kevin Duran and Bradley Beal over the last few months so it's like what have you done

to empower your offense what have you done to double down and let teams know that you are one of the best in this league on one end of the floor absolutely nothing

that was a good call I'll give you that victory laugh That was one of your better calls this year. I had them the highest, I think, about like one spot in our mentions episode. Yeah. And I think I had them four, Donovan had them five. You had them like seven. They're currently seven.

So again, five through eight are all really close. So there's no telling. Yesterday, I think they were six. So like it goes back and forth. But the idea of day didn't get better and a lot of other teams did was a smart point that I overlooked at the time. Just because I, nothing they did seemed super unsustainable to me last year, despite the injuries, which was weird.

know the weird part to me is the only thing you could say last year was that could be unsustainable was a three point shooting and the volume which was like top of the league and the pace but that's the same

the shooting hasn't changed at all the problem is now they're 26th in room frequency when last year they're 15th they don't get to the rim nearly as much to like a drastic degree I don't know why

that's one of the instances where I need to watch them closer maybe Kings fans can tell us I don't know what that problem is what's stopping them from attacking the rim as much another thing that's not helping them at all is that

Over the entire of this season He's been a little bit better Over the last few games But Kevin Herder Or a little bit better Over the last 15 this game's order But Kevin Herder Was not hooping

To limit up to expectations whatsoever And he got his chain snatched by Chris Duarte Who's a good player But still was like bro You were You were supposed to be the guy Stand up So it hurts

It hurts Yeah man Anyways I think we move on We didn't talk about the Rockets I think as a bit I won't come with the Rockets just because it piss you guys off so sorry

I guess I hate your team now I'm sorry I rocked with the Rockets though Me too I don't care about the Rockets I have no Does I go to games Yeah

yeah you're like Shut up the same new man All Star caliber It's so funny that I'm like Being painted as like By these by Rockins fans is like hating San Guin when I love him

I just think Chess a little better Like it's hilarious Yeah That's how it goes But we have Donovan's next five Up on the screen first I tell us about this five 15

I have the Orlando Magic, 14, Indiana Paces, 13, Miami Heat, 12, Dallas Mavericks, 11, Cleveland Cavaliers. Hmm, okay. Interesting. Yes. Uh, I think the heater too low. Okay. I think that. They're weird.

They're too low in terms of like they've been winning more games than that. They deserve love. They're strange because they're winning a lot of games. They've been around the fifth or sixth seed, but their statistical profile, it does not give you a lot of like, hope that that's real. It's kind of weird and fluky. Like I said, there's 16th a net rating

for the season. Don't have a super high potent offense or defense. They just fucking get that shit done. It's fine ways to work. Exactly. It's very like, and I had them like 13, 14,

honestly, just because they, listen, they have lost three games in a row, right? I know Jaime's missed some time. Jimmy's been missing some time. He also hasn't looked amazing

in the regular season. Never does. He doesn't try. Yeah, right? But, oh, excuse me, but a lot of, a lot of what we think about Miami starts in like March. And it's really, you know, like everything from October to February to February is just middling. Okay, they're going to be good. They're going to be over 500.

They're 24 and 19 right now. Good record, not crazy. And I just felt like there are other teams who have kind of impressed me a little bit more. I've seen a little bit more up until this point of the season. And if we do this in another six weeks, they're probably going to be higher. But there's other teams who have really, really made runs started to be impressive. So I just want to temper the heat love for right now. Yeah.

I give them better for the doubt, but I'm higher. But they're weird because a running theme I bring up a lot when I bring up stats is rim defense and rim offense. One of the biggest pet peeves for me is I hate teams that don't dominate the rim on either end that are bad there. The Warriors, the Lakers now, so many teams I mentioned. the Mavs. The heat currently are 27th in rim defense and 27th in rim offense.

That is not a recipe for winning games usually. But again, they just get that shit done and it doesn't really make sense, but you got to give it to them. Yeah, I agree. I'm not even going to, I have the Miami heat not a lot higher, but they're not in this tier yet.

And I can't fault you on thinking this way, Donovan, because no one's really supposed to be high and high on them right now in the month of January. like everyone turns up about the heat like four months from now five months from now because that's when we have different conversations and that's what it is right

I kind of inherently give them the benefit of doubt because we're seeing Sposha Spolstra pull the winds out and we know when the time comes when Jimmy locks in and everything happens they're going to be great so like they're one of the only teams that I can't help will project for it yeah and that's fair

yeah I was just trying to I was trying to temper it just make sure like I get it I get it now one team that I do think, ooh, Isaacs looks like you're, you have the same issue here too. One team that I do think is a little bit too high is that the Orlando Magic had been like ass over the last, I don't know, 15, 17 games or whatever it might be. And they just straight up haven't been good. Now, again, they have been injured to hell. Franz Wagner has been finally back. And so maybe it's me being a little bit too harsh on

Paul Bencaro and seeing them like vote all the way to like the top three, four, five seat in the NBA like kind of set my expectations a little bit too high Window Carter Jr. just came back too but I can live with that as well and that's

for the Cavs and Pacers like that's solid that's okay. Yeah. Yeah that's the 15th right like yeah and so like before before the season like none of us thought that the magic would ever be in a position where they were a top four seat in the east. I thought that they were going to be a playing team uh not playing a playoff team right eight seed if you go eight and eight i put you at 16 this is like right right around where i right right around where i

thought the magic were going to be and like you said franz has been hurt palis had to do absolutely everything but now that he's back i i trust that their defense like their defense is good right they just can't score like they they they just don't have that on on their team for their offense to be this this juggernav but they have a good foundation defensively they have a good structure to where their brand of basketball and their identity makes them win games. And so I do want to put them in the upper half of the team of the league because of that. And so they're still good. They're going to be okay, right?

Yeah, I'm not fault. Simple. I'm not faulting them for Franz Wagner being hurt. Yeah. No, you know, sucks. I mean, they steady float. They're still the ASE despite that. What are they in the last 10 games?

They are four and six in the last 10 when you don't have your second best player who's on some nights arguably your best player. A game under 500 is not bad. Apart for the course. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. This is what we're doing my next five.

Yeah, I want to see you on next five. Woo! I have the Orlando Magic at 15, the Pacers are 14, the Cavs at 13, Mavs at 12, and the Pelicans at 11. Eight to 12 was the hardest stretch for my entire thing. Okay. The Pelicans and Mavs, I both wanted to put top 10. I ended up going with two teams above them that pulling hairs, maybe it's me thinking about, it was, I guess it comes out of me thinking about them in a playoff series I went with,

or just the Mavs got lowered a little bit, just because of, like, recency, losing games more than the other teams. above them have. Yeah. You put the Pelicans in Mavs top ten, I won't blame you to all. I feel like they're that caliber of player. It's just hard because, like, obviously the Miami Heat are one of those teams. I haven't listened to me yet.

The man I'm here next up. You know, but, hold on, Isaac. Let's talk about it. At the start of the season, we were not talking about the Pelicans being this good. Everyone was talking about,

damn, Zion looks not so ass, but he looks so fucking regular. And that's not what anyone signed Zion up to be at all. And so from your perspective, I guess I'll ask you too, Donovan, when it comes to the Pelicans, what have you seen so different about this team? Because we all talked about how there's too many cooks in the kitchen, Yonis Valentuna's hasn't been the perfect fit on that team necessarily. And we just all thought this wasn't going to work to this extent. Yeah, I mean, I had 11th.

I think they're talented in their way to 11th. I still have structural issues with them why they're not like a true contender. but they're the deepest team in the league pretty easily the team cooks in the kitchen thing can be seen as a bad thing or it's a good thing because they can go legitimately

11, 12 deep in any given night and have legitimately good players are put in the lineup Zion, well for one he's not fat anymore he's played himself in the shape he looks closer to normal he's cooking inconsistently

like you look at his recent games 17 points 24 13 30 30 19 12 27 like he goes up and down and that to me is purely of the nature of their team. They have Ingram, they have CJ, they have

Trey Murphy, they have all these guys who are cooked. Last game, Zion had 17, I was watching. Brandon Ingram had a 30 point triple double. Zion played fine. There's just a lot of ball handlers to go around so the team doesn't really optimize his performance like I did last year when we saw him cook when Ingram was hurt.

So he's been better, not really worried about it. I don't have them higher because, like I said, they're not a good rim defense and aren't the best rim offense either. I think they're not the best passing team. They don't have the most complimentary talent. So, like, I don't really see them clicking in a playoff series, like teams above them. But they've been a legitimately really good team who has been winning games.

Like, I feel like they deserve respect for the five seed, 26 and 18. It's hard to be eight games about 500. So, you know, you're right. It's kind of similar with the Mavs, right? It's like the Mavs. So, like, I don't really believe in them like that, but they've earned upper half of the league status. I feel the exact same way. I put the Pelicans at 10.

And the only reason, really the only difference that we have is that the are in your top 10 and the pelicans are mine and it's for that reason i wanted to give them the respect of being of having this many wins when i don't think that they are that good i think that they are like they're probably they're probably going to lose in the first route i just don't i don't see them clicking and the the thing that you talked about with zion is he's not you know he's cooking inconsistently we all thought that for the pelicans to be at their best zion needs to be this MVP caliber player. I still believe that.

And for Zion Williamson to be averaging 0.5 points more than Brandon Ingram on this team, you look at it and it's just, it's unimpressive. And so I look at them in the playoff context, there's a bunch of teams that I think are probably going to have a little bit more continuity that are probably going to be able to have as just, you know, just as much talent, you once you get into like the three four five range in the west they just don't impress me they don't they don't pass well they're kind of quantify that i mean let me let me let me explain a little more specifically because i can see a pelicans fan hearing you say that and being like

that's nonsense you don't watch my team blah blah blah blah why is it bad that there's more good players so zion candy yada yada yada i guess you i think through the definition of a good not great by the nature of their talent right like look at all the players in the team we said they're loaded C. G. McCollum, good, not great. Ingram, feel you feel, really good, not quite great. Zion, at this rate, good, not great.

Not a strong defender, isn't having the highest usage to give you elite scoring numbers or passing anything of the sort. Vanchun is obviously the same thing. It's, you ever heard someone say like, like less is more theory, Bill Simmons calls it the Ewing theory.

That basically means whenever a team loses a high usage player, the team overall gets better because that usage goes to other people and it's more evenly distributed. I think this team is the opposite of that. It's so evenly distributed that it makes you a good team in the regular season. You'll win games, you have that depth,

any team can take over any night. That's cool. But sometimes, especially in a playoff setting where the rotation is going to shrink naturally, you're better off having an elite elite player who can apply that gravity every single night and is empowered to be the best version of himself and bend the defense in every play. You need that to win at the highest level.

Look at any team that you have finals hopes for. It's because they have a top 10 player that can exert their pressure on the opposing defense every single play and play through them. They are sacrificing that for Zion by prioritizing depth and that's perfectly valid strategy, right? Like maybe I'm wrong, playing teams can win through depth.

We think the Celtics will win through depth. That's fine. But I think with the specific players they have with an Ingram, with the CJ, with the Valenciunis, who aren't good playmakers, what I think is very essential if you're going to have a lot of depth like that, you've got to have that high-level guy

that can bend a defense. And for the same reasons you said, I only think they have a potential would be great if Zion can beat that top 10 player and really bend a defense in that way. And to double down on that, the less is more theory. It's very true. We recently saw that happened, what, two years ago now with Zahn's teammate, Jonas Valentunis. The Memphis Grizzlies made an absurd leap as a team. Obviously, that falls alongside John Moran's development and Jordan Jackson Jr.'s development too. But the less is more theory is a very

real thing because as soon as we saw the Memphis Grizzlies get off of Jonas Valanchunis and just got someone who could, yo, beat motherfuckers up in the pain, set hard-ass screens, concuss people whenever I tell you, come up here and send me a screen. Stephen Adams, just all that. And that allows just someone like John Moran and Jaron Jackson, Jr. to have all the room in the world to grow, develop, and cook as a player. And I see the team like the new Warrens Pelicans. They're committed as a team to sharing the ball and just being even as possible.

And I, like, I think at the state that they're in right now as a team, they're still finding themselves, and they haven't had as much time to do so yet because of the inconsistencies of Zionism being able to play basketball, Brandon Ingram, Cidem McCollum having to collapse along earlier in the season. And I think this so far, like, if you're a Pelicans fan, you should be happy because you're our, as we're talking right now, there are top 10 defense and a top 10, top eight offense in the NBA. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. We should be happy. Exactly. I think the next phase and step of this team after this season, sometimes I see that they commit to linis with guys like Jordan Hawkins, who's an absolute flamethrower. He's a monster and he's going to be one of the keys to their success.

And also, Trey Murphy, who's in a slump right now, but he's Trey Murphy. He'll get those numbers back up. That will be one of the, okay, let's regress a little bit talent-wise to only upgrade. what Zion is doing right now and commit to Zion Williamson Ball which is just playing the floor spread out sometimes Coach Willie Green lets Ingram go ahead and take a rest

and they're like Zion Ball this is your turn motherfucker to cook if they assume the defense collapse swing that bitch and you're gonna get an assist and even outside of like we're talking in very like well first of all I'll say this I'm very open to being wrong about the team like you said eighth in offense

ninth in defense I can see a world where I'm wrong and this egalitarian approach works and depth wins out but you mentioned that sometimes Zion gets limps himself or gets the cook that's my problem it needs lineups

specific lineups where he can have the ball in his hands and be like a bender of the defense like that whenever all the stars on the court their spacing is just weird there's too many plays where you know the five was at the screen naturally Zion's the best screen set in the world and Zion's just like standing around

awkwardly trying to figure out where to go and like he's not a spacer by any means so like he's in the dunker spot while there's an ingram and Valencian's pick and roll neither of which are like big spacers so it's just a lot of weird placements and it's just real clunky right

the puzzle pieces are just strange together and I think you see that bear out statistically offensively and defensively 24th in rim defense percentage 29th and 3s given up so oh my god they give up a lot of threes

in order to not people get to the rim but when people get to the rim they shoot really well against you so like it's just structural shit like that and no and the reason they're a high defense despite that is because they're currently second in the league and 3 point percentage given up

which is a bit fluky right you can't really, if you're giving up a lot of threes, it means they're open. You can't depend on those shots not going in. So part of that's two point luck. I just don't find a lot of reason to buy into that structure of how to play. And listen, let me double down on that on the opposite of the floor on offense. They're one of the worst free throw shooting teams in the league.

And also, last year they didn't shoot any threes and they also had like one of the worst percentages of the entire league in this year. They're still barely shooting any threes. but when they do shoot them they're making so many of them they take i think the fourth or fifth lowest threes in the league and so i just don't imagine a world in the playoffs where this can hold up and they take that next step already as a team i think it's not sure and they're saying they're getting lit up they're they're they're going to they're going to get they're going to no they it is it is very positive but we see all the time like when teams go on like 10 game winning streets or like eight

nine-game winning streaks. The first thing, especially at the start of the season, the first thing that you look at is three-point percentage. Could you want to know? Is this fluky or is this real? And the fact that they have the opponent three-point percentage, the way that it is, when you get into the playoffs and everybody's good, right? And this is a very like old-school over-simplification of, like,

what I think about them, they nobody, they don't have clear roles. don't have the hierarchy. They don't have the dog. And you give up a lot of open shots on the most backbreaking shot in the game, which is a three, a three pointer. And if, if you are going to get ran out of the gym, giving up threes, if they play the Kings in the, in the first, in the first round, right? And Deeron Fox is shooting the way he is. Keegan Murray's there. Let's say Kevin Herder decides to be Kevin Herder for six games. You're out of there. So like they have better. I'll they want better. Right another five seat, they play the Clippers in the first round. Raps. Have you seen Clippers play basketball?

Oh my goodness. They're fucking surgical. Surgical jump shooters from one, two, and three. Yeah. It's not looking good. They have issues. They have, they have issues. I do. And it feels like we're hating on them. Look, you are. But they have, I'm 11. If this is a, go to hell. Yeah, that's what's what I'm saying. Deal with it. They have, they have structural issues that they need to fix. And I think all of us have been saying for about two years now, they need to kind of strip it down, figure out clearly what

their plan is because now the phase of let's just get talent in the building, build ourselves up and then we'll do that. That's fine. You have the guy that you have identified as is going to be the star in Zion. Now you need to actually figure out what works best around him and start crafting it towards that and give up this idea of we will just talent our way to, a champion to a championship because we've seen that plenty of times in the NBA not work out in their favor but mo what's what's your five we haven't even seen your five on this so real quick um my updated five is cleveland actually number one i sent to kill a new list before recorded the pod too bad you're you're in you're in this no it's not yeah you're locked in you

no sorry i'm not listening to that we actually 11 calves 12 pelicans 13 sons 14 lakers and 15 Indiana those didn't change it's confusing now you guys stick to it no it's not I'm not saying that you can make that up in your own rule but that's what I do only have I have the calves of 15 I'm at my bad at 11 see it's confusing you know you don't know I said 15 because oh my god whatever but um the calves have been one of the most interesting teams I'm confused legitimately so who did you push up to 10 who would I push up to 10 the Dallas Mavericks okay see you That's what the fuck?

Okay, so Mavericks at 10, Cavs 11, Pelicans 12? Yes. Okay. Pelicans are at 12. Exactly. You got right. Fuck on. So yeah.

So to make this simple, we can just talk about the Mavs, I guess, right now. Oh, shit. What? Oh, the Sons. That was at 13. Yeah. I was going to wait. That is blasphemous.

That is blasphemous. Yeah, let's talk about it. Why? Because they've been good. After we wrote them off, they've been good. They've been cooking over the last few games, but as of now, I just still, I still need more time to understand how good tank they can be before I put them in that top 10 category, because it's kind of like a prove it to me section. Now, they do have Diven Booker who is arguably like a top 10, definitely a top 12 NBA player. And Kevin Durand is Kevin Durant.

Nothing needs to be said. And this is the best stretch that we've seen them be on in this new Bradley. the bill era i just need to see a little bit more before i put them on that upper upper external now um now i think about it maybe i should have had the new one spoken's not you know i'm saying next to them necessarily um but with that being said i still feel comfortable with having my 13 because i'm i just don't have room for them in the top 10 like luca duches is lupey donches and all those teams are well deserved the 25 and 18 are now currently the six seed Bradley bill isn't back for 13 games he came back for two got hurt

again, but he's been back for 13 straight games now. They've won six straight of those 13. They actually won tonight against the Dallas Maverick. Seven straight. Wow. My numbers from yesterday, so the number is having accounted for that win. Their second and true shooting percentage, as you'd expect with those three ball handlers, they're just

fucking top to bottom, laser on offense. 27th on offense rebounding, though, that's the remains an issue. And 26th in rim volume, which is an issue. But obviously, their first and mid-range volume like you always are when you have KD and Devin Booker. Yeah. And their 10th and unassisted field goals. So as you expect, three ball handlers getting their own shot, playing that type of ball we've seen from KD teams

over the last five years, and the first and pull-up shooting percentage. They've been exactly what you think they'd be in this past 13 games when they have all three ball handlers. It's been just like those Nets teams, just like the sons last year in their first got KD, just like they were before they got KD even, like a jump shooting team that has lethal jump shooters top the bottom,

we'll see who their defense nets out at, we'll see what their offensive remounting is, like their offensive rating hasn't been that high in this time, they haven't been top three or anything, because they've had some turnover issues has some offensive rebounding issues but again seven straight wins they're showing the formula works with this lineup

13 games is not a small sample size yeah and and if grace and Allen is going to be playing the way that he is like they have their five that is actually and we knew this coming in that they were going to be a top heavy team they were they were going to rely on their top guys

and it's just funny that grace and Allen has like kind of ascended into like a key key part Like, when people were talking about, like, the son's trading for anybody. I saw people talking about, like, if they trade Grayson Allen, we're rioting. Like, people were ready to fight about Grayson Allen because of how integral he's been to this team. I, listen, we wrote them off, or at least I wrote them off, I think last episode or the episode before.

And they have, and they have been, they have been good. The, you know, the Rucker Park basketball style has worked. And good for them. Yeah, they deserve to be in the top 10, especially because now that they are putting it together, you know that they have the talent to do some stuff in the playoffs. 100%. It is my M.O. to not overreact and preach patience.

Sometimes I preach patience with Adrian Griffin, and I'm wrong, and he deserves to get fired before he games in. That's fine. But sometimes, when I say preach some patience with teams like the sons and they get healthy and they'll cook like you expect them to, that's why you don't overreact whenever there's clearly other F actors that prevent them from being as good as they can be. I'm still waiting on the downfall, though.

that. This is the end of apology. I don't expect I don't expect them win the finals so I'm with you I don't think

it's going to happen. Side note Devin Booker had 46 tonight on 17 from 23 from 23 from the field he shot 74%

from the field bro. And Katie just had 44 a couple nights ago and had a game winner. Go ahead shot I don't think

was exactly a game winner but like he's been cooking too like it's working right? Like we're seeing you have two top 10 players.

Bradley Beal we've talked about the fit being wonky none of us really love the trade when it happened. I think I was the highest by saying I see the vision, but don't quite love it. I think either way you feel about that, you're right to an extent. It hasn't been the best fit in the

world, but yeah, the talent will win out to a certain extent. Yeah. Yeah, they'll figure out. The map's at 12. Interesting. Oh, no, I forgot. You changed your list. So you have the maps at 10. Lucas, Luca, man. I can't. I get it. Go ahead and discount that. We all understand why. Yeah, that's fair. I get it. But also, I don't know, Derek Jones is Derek Jones. You should say Graham Williams Grant Williams Grand Williams

His motherfucker Yeah Oh my goodness That's a whole Another conversation Yeah I was with you I had them

I started making this list Two weeks ago And I had them up that high The suns catapulted them Obviously And I think the heat catapulted them And one more team

That's in my top ten Now instead I dropped the Mavs A 12 I buy in on the Mavs Club playout time For the same reason Lucas Luca

Kyrie's Kyrie Derek Liley is massively impressive I just think outside of that, they really, I've been saying all year. Same problem with the Warriors. They need athleticism and oomph

at the forward position. They need an Aaron Gordon, which is, you know, everybody needs an Aaron Gordon. It's hard to find that. It's not, no Aaron Gordon's readily available. Oh, there might be in Jeremy Grant.

We'll see. But they need another big wing who can provide them athleticism, punch attack in the rim, punch defending the rim, mobility with size. Like, they need one more piece for me to really take them seriously

as a defense. Yeah, I can agree to that, man. Seeing Grant will just be so pitiful. over the last fucking 15 he was good for like 10 games bro he was good for 10 games bro even he knows he's like

been not been good so far this season or for a chunk of the season it's just like it shoots so much down and like he was supposed to be one of the glue guys who kept the defense together and communicated offensively and all that's when you know that you're down bad though

I like Grant I like Grant Williams right he plays with a lot of heart I don't hate him and I would like to have a guy like him on my team but if if grant Williams is your biggest offseason signing and he's the one that's going to hold everything together that kind of is a red flag you know like grant william should never be in that in that position to be the one thing holding your defense together you know what I'm saying the most embarrassing thing that could ever happen to someone especially as a man bro at the end The Celtics

recently played the Mavs and Jason or Grant Williams tried to shoot basically half court shot and Jason Tadam sent that shit to hell and it was talking the craziest shit and I think Grant Williams

fell to the ground so after he got his shit swat him from behind he just smiling the whole time Grant Williams is a smiling He was show teeth that is just so bad all around but I guess you can go into

the next time. Oh, the Cavs. I have the Cavs 13. You guys have at 11 both. I don't remember where you have them now because you can change up on us. But they're interesting team

because we wrote them off as not just we but like the NBA world wrote them off when Evan Mobley and Darius Garland got hurt because like no two of your top three, four players go out. It's like oh shit

the Donovan Mitchell rumors were already piling up. What's the next phase for them? The next phase was Donald from Metro place point guard. Sam Merrill doesn't miss threes. George's Nyang gives valuable minutes, Jared Allen becomes a monster

in two ways, and they win all their games. And they've been incredible lately. The only reason I have them hire, because they're like the Pelicans, where I think they kind of like deserve it based on like just sheer winning. Yeah, I agree. Is that this is only possible because Eiff and Mowgli and Darrys Garland are there and they're playing entirely style. I was good. I don't

know. What's going to happen when they come back? Who fucking knows? Like, you just can't draw conclusions about this team when they're missing that two pivotal pieces. And we all have issues with the Mowgli and Jared Allen pairing hasn't worked out like we hoped. is you were kind of just in wait and see right like this is somebody's getting traded no they won't say it say it they won't they won't right now they won't it's no no no no i was gonna say

okay i wasn't these were a fool's foolful fluky i was going to say it's kind of fools gold okay but i don't want to call it that because they're winning games and they're hard earned but it's not going to be sustainable to what we see them long term like the defense has gotten better without everybody it's like they've put everything together and yeah like it's just been a case of everything of like de Mitch going crazy everybody kind of happening like this this by it but we've known this about the caps that they're going to have to trade one of one of those two guys because again you are structurally flawed and it was exposed by Mitchell Robinson right if Mitchell Robinson can it can expose you imagine what the other damn imagine what the other top

teams in the league can do and obviously listen you know I love Mitch right but he's not like I mean let's be real but like they they they they're They're going to have to make a move, but now that, okay, I have a question for you guys. What's the move, though? Because Jared Allen's been amazing. I know. And this is my question now because if this was, if this was Darius Garland that was leading this team to this, I think it would be a lot easier for the Cavs to make a decision and say, okay, we can center this around Garland, keep everybody else in the DMITs. Like, I guess it was a failed experiment.

We can still trade him, get a whole bunch of assets. because it's Donovan Mitchell doing this and Jared Allen who is supposed to be the one that was traded what move would you guys make like or I guess I guess out of those four who do y'all think is most likely to go

at this point? You can't do anything. You're stuck. You can't do shit until you know what Donald Mitchell is going to do long term. He has a year and a half left of his contract if he's going to bounce

and indicates you need to trade him then you trade him. If he wants to stay long term, doubt. I certainly doubt he's going to let him know that before his free agency summer next year, then you can't trade Garland because then if Donald Mitchell leaves, you're fucked. You can't trade Evan Mobley because he's incredibly long-term potential,

valuable long-term, can be a DPOI-level defender, was last year he was third voting. You don't want to trade Jared Allen when he's proving his value this much without Evan Mobley. That would be like a slap in the face to him and Donald Mitchell who are cooking without these guys. They're stuck. Yeah, exactly. Side note, FYI, this list right here, that you I see on the screen for me is correct. But yeah, I agree with you, Isaac. They cannot act too fast and pander. Not pander, my bad.

They cannot act too fast and just try to make a decision because you have to still get a grasp of how far this front court duo of Jared Allen and Evan Moby can get you. Because as we all know, like since they've been out, Darius Garland, but he's not really important in this garment season. of Evan Mobley, they have been the number one three-point shooting team in the entire NBA. And as soon as they get into, as soon as Evan Mobley enters that lineup, that's gone. It's blown to Smith, the Reins, and they're playing an entirely different style of basketball.

And that's been my, that's been my biggest issue about them since they want since this happened. Now, the defensive potential is amazing. Now, it's number one defense, even without Evan Mobley's like, can, but I'm just going to look past by that. and you just need to really evaluate how much you believe in someone like Evan Mowgli and eventually we're going to have to pick between him and Jared Allen because they can't The lack of shooting The lack of shooting is going to kill them if he never becomes a shooter You can't have him and Jared Allen together. It just doesn't it's not a thing

And to have a non-spacing four It's just the modern NBA like come on that's such the only time we've seen that be a thing in recent years has been the Milwaukee bucks Who have a spacing five next to him so a very unique situation and the Lakers and yeah exactly he's like he's fucking Janice yeah but also Janus wouldn't be able to cook if he had Jared Allen next to him he needs a spacing five and Anthony Davis playing with Dwight Howard Javile McGee in 2020

at the point where in the bubble Anthony Davis could still shoot and you know they had prime LeBron still so they were great like that's another outlier you can throw in Dreymong greetings of that conversation too okay yeah well Draymond's offense is different structure a leaf lock yeah yeah tough and again if Evan Moby doesn't develop offensively

which he hasn't to date that spotlight's going to be on him heavy and that's a very difficult spot to be in when you have a player as promising as him you have as much invested into him long term it would be very painful to trade him and have him flourish with another team but you know

but at the same time what can you do Tyreys Halliborne got traded that's all I can say yeah exactly and at the same time there's really I don't want to say there's no like lose in this situation just go I don't think there's no like

necessary lose lose in the situation because they're going to be good in good hands regards to the fact that Donovan Mitchell leaves who the hell cares you still have these two very promising bigs and there's going um but they're just going to be in this awkward waiting period and if they fail again then it's going to be and like an even bigger magnifying glass or someone like Evan Mowgli and if I were the Cleveland Cavaliers I might have to I might choose Garrett Allen Allen over Evan Mowgli if if I knew Donvin Mitchell's going to commit in the future once that time comes especially

because you get a lot for Evan Mobley, too. Yeah, like, trading Jared Allen probably makes the most sense because he has, he's like 25, turn 26 soon or whatever the case may be. And you already know what he is going to be as in the future, but for someone like Evan Moble, you're not 100% sure. And he's already solidified already this young as one of the best big men defenders in the entire NBA. And it just would, it's a complete gut punch, like you said, to know that, you're the team

that had this guy and you traded him instead of trading for the wiser player on your team and that could be like a similar, say, situation to obviously on a lighter version to what OkC did way back the day when they had James Harden, KD and Russ and all of the stuff, except this is like the front court

version of that on the lower level. So I guess it's not. All right man, that's enough Cavs talk. Let's be one of the top ten. Oh, my ten up first. Okay. At six, I had the Milwaukee Bucks. Seven, the 76ers. Eight, the Phoenix Suns. way more respected on the name than you did. Nine the Miami Heat and 10 the New York Knicks.

Okay. Respectable. How do we feel? Respectable, respectful. I think the 76ers are a little bit too low, in my opinion. Oh. I get the want to move the bucks lower. They are the two-seat after all.

So, like, as much issues we have, as much as we talk about Eric Griffin being fired, I mean, Agent Griffin being fired made sense. They are great. There's no reason to put them below the 76ers, I think. but I respect it. I think the seven-sixers are great. Okay. So I think that the bucks are a little bit too high just because...

Hater? Listen, I'm not a hater. The Milwaukee Bucks, they looked at the record and they're like, nah, this isn't real. This isn't good enough. Like, they probably wouldn't list themselves, at least the front office, wouldn't list themselves as top six in the front office,

I mean, in the league, or else they wouldn't have made this change. Well, they want to be three. they want to be three or higher that's why they made the change exactly it's a it's it's a little high but like i'm not going to fault you just because they do have daman yannis and they have figured out a way to win to win a bunch of these games which at the end of the day is the ultimate goal so you can't give them credit for that but the process we wanted to be top three the process hasn't looked as great in my opinion because we want them to be top three

which is why we're disappointed inherently but six is lower than we expect the coming to the year we all had them top two or three to start the year so like i think this is a count for the slippage a little bit i think that's fine i think that's solid um i'm surprised that you do have the philadelphia 76s that's the biggest thing i hear with donovan uh that's the biggest thing for me after all this imb you know this man is moving different seeing him just transcend into another level when it comes to a certain aspect of his game has been amazing and i think if mbid is really or if the 70s sixes as a whole because it's not only mb this team is fucking fantastic. Tyrese Max is an all star. Nick Batum is an essential piece quite literally

in order for them to be successful and run the schemes and be this complexes of an offense that they are. Is that supposed to make you put them higher by Nick and Vic Batum being essential? The whole team. Oh, I'm talking about the whole team. I'm talking about Baton. Yeah. He's hooping. He's good. He's good. He's a good plug player for this team. I love the same thing. I probably love them more than you guys do. I, again, I told you I was soft launching that anti-Seltic steak. The core of that is a pro 76ers take about them potentially getting out of these.

So, get out. I don't need to use it. I don't need to be able to stand on it more. I need to stay on it more. The problem is nothing to do with the Eastern teams. They're just fucking four incredible teams out west that take up five of the spots and we know the Celtics are top five. So it's just a matter of there being a lot of great teams, not really about the same

sixers at all. I think they're fantastic. Okay. Yeah. I guess so i guess this is just a bigger conversation to have with the rest of these teams so i guess you can see what you guys got ah there we go so at six i have oh my god what the fuck that is blasphemous let me finish can't hear both no what the hell seven i have the minnesota timbrewools eight the miami heat nine nicks 10 Cleveland cavaliers so uh first thing that i can talk about is against the Minnesota Timberwolves. I don't care about that.

You don't care about that. I want to talk about the Oklahoma City. We, we, I promise, we will get to the Tim Wolves. Why are the Thunder not top five? I can't put the Thunder top five yet just because I need to, I don't believe it just yet in the playoffs because of just size reasons.

That's quite literally it. That's literally it. That's literally it. After Chet Holmgram, the next biggest player on their team is like six, seven or something like that bro it's j-dub you know along those lines and unless like you want to count davis for times whatever but he don't really get no pt like yeah yeah yeah but this team just needs more agreed this team just needs more size and obviously like veteran experience in order for me to put

them in the upper echelon this is already upper echelon to me but in order me to put them like yo this team could actually win a championship this year i need to like see a little bit more rounded off of a team. And I just don't think they have that yet. And that's completely fine. They're not there yet. And they're taking their time. Well, not necessarily because of the second seed. Well, actually, the number one seed, as is the main thing of this podcast. And so I really wanted to put their number one, but I just feel like genuinely, if they were to run into any of the other teams that I put above above them, they're getting ran. Spree. Ran? Oh my God. That's what? Ran is I agree. I agree. I agree. That's disrespectful as fuck. I agree. Blastphemous, in fact.

Blastomis. Yeah. That is blasphemous. Yeah, that's a bad thing. Rand is crazy. I agree that it's an issue. I don't think that's a power rankings issue. I think it would be an issue like if they had to play the Nuggets. That would be troubling, to say the least. I mean, that's fair.

That's fair. So I get it. Again, when we're talking about these top teams, you have to, you know, it's splitting, splitting hairs. So if you did matchup base, I get it. That's not insane. I just think six is too far to ding them for that. I think a very specific matchup based issue isn't nearly as important.

as the fact that they have a top seven player in the league, the top five defense, currently the sixth offense, but it's been top five all year, a budding second star in J-dub. Chad Holmgren's one of the best friend protectors in the league and a stretch five. Like, they have all the makings of an amazing team and have done nothing but win

and show that they're amazing all year. And again, I understand. I think the size is an issue too, which I think they'll probably address in the coming trade deadline. Definitely. I just, it's a bit far for me to put him down for that. Yeah.

Maybe using the where I ran or whatever was a bit hyperbole, but when I just look at all the other teams above them, I know what I'm getting out of them on a consistent basis. And structurally, I don't have any real dings. Well, actually, I do when it comes to a certain team that I have in the next year or whatever. But for OKC, they just aren't fortified as a team just yet. And they are just a piece, max two pieces away from becoming that.

And yeah. I also, I mean, I don't know the Timberwell was that much. higher but I think seven's a bit disrespectful for you know it's a power rankings and they've done nothing but been nothing but be consistent I mean the top of the conference I mean I guess personally I don't believe that's disrespectful because I still see what they are and from what they've shown me when it comes to the humps that I expected them to get over they haven't been able to get over they're still one of the worst offense not one of the worst offense in the NBA but they haven't fucking great they're in Lakers territory quite literally over the last 15 games they've

been like mid and the 19th for the year slipping not great yeah exactly they've been slipping and in terms of just like seeing my expectations for them and not seeing them be met which is yo anthony edwards can you take like not that many mid-range shots because you're no one talks about this but you're one of the worst mid-range shooters in the entire NBA he's like 30 10% from there he's quite literally one of the five worst mid-range shooters and it looks pretty i fucking love seeing it. Um, but that's like a real thing. Are you going to have to rely on Mike, call him the old ass 36 year old to like, you know, consistently be the baby, not baby center necessarily, but he's like, you call it a guardian, bro. He's a parental guardian for this

team. Whatever shit goes haywire. And we quite literally saw that when again, I guess now we can talk about it. Cat just put up 60 points or something like that. If I remember correctly. Yeah, you put up 62. And they lost, and they lost it. And they lost to the Hornets. Yeah. So you say you have your expectations not be met though offensively, but you know defense exists and they're by far number one. So like they're 31 and 13. So like I know the offense isn't ideal, but it never was going to be. Like I think 19 isn't horrible for the team that's the number one defense. Like if they were a top 10 defense, they'd be the best team to league by far. So like how can your expectations not be met from a team that's been the one seat all year? My expectations specifically pertain to someone like Anthony Edwards who was supposed to make that leap. And he has made a leap, but not the leap that a lot of people. made out to be that he was going to have. Yeah, yeah. Because if you still rely on, someone like Chris Friend still relies on Mike Conley

to settle the offense down, that's a major red flag. And that's not me digging Anthony Edwards. Yeah, it is. Because if Anthony Edwards was supposed to be that guy, then you shouldn't have to use Mike Conley as a crunch. Now, I understand. That's what he's good at.

That's Mike Connolly's role in the league. He's the point guard. That's his game. So it's not like it's a negative. It's Mike Connolly's inherent value. Yeah, I get it. it. I get it. That's his value and that's what makes he's so essential to this team

but because of how essential he is, the second that he's out they crumble and they're not the same team. Not the same team is a little bit extreme, but they crumble and that's an issue. I agree. I'm not super high on their offensive to there, so I understand it.

Same thing. I understand your complaints with both these teams. I just think it's a bit too loaded ding them for it, but I understand. Yeah. All right. Here we go. So I have the Pelicans at 10. the Knicks at 9, I have the Suns at 8, the Bucks at 7, and then I have the Timberwolves at 6. We're an anti-Timberwolves podcast today.

Let's go. Where are the thoughts? Where are the thoughts? Same thing. I think Timber Bulls deserve to be a little higher. To power rankings, the nature is what they've done this year. Yeah. Not necessarily projecting, so I get it.

But I understand there's going to be some projecting. It's not even kind of projecting. They started off because of their defense and because Anthony Edwards was knocking down every mid-range shot he took, they started off very much ahead of the pack. And they have come back down to the fold. And they have come back down to the fold. Teams have caught up, right? The thunder are matched up with them. The nuggets are close with them. And their one seed is not as precious as it once was. And so I think that they are, the top of the West is much, much closer than we think about it. And so now, now that the records are caught up and everybody's kind of in the

same place. You can see them getting got by Oklahoma. You can see them getting got by Denver. And like Mo said, a lot of the winning early on was because Anthony Edwards has gotten to this place where he felt like, oh my gosh, like, is he Kevin direct from the mid range? Like, that's, that's insane. And once that dropped off, okay, now the offense, you still have, you know, some issues. I don't really love it. So top five, they feel like a team that peaked a little bit early. I think that they that other teams in my top five, their best basketball is either happening right now or it, or it is still on the way. So that's why I put them outside the top five. I get that. I just think it's a bit dramatic. I don't know, they haven't been bad. The other

teams just been great and like things stabilized and everybody has ups and downs and the fact that they're down is still, you know, they're six and four in the last 10 as the worst stretch of their season. I don't think it's necessarily like they're falling off. So you say peak too soon, I think they're fine. It's just naturally just going to be ups and downs. I wouldn't say peak too soon, but still, Isaac, I think you're wrong. My brother, they lost to the Charlotte Hornets last night. The Hornets just lost to the Detroit Pistons today.

You can't get away from that. You lost to one of the worst. I like to call that an overreaction because that is one game and it's a weird circumstance where Anthony Edwards was sick and he wasn't playing well. And Kat had 62 and played a strange style of basketball that is not representative of what they do every night. and maybe you're maybe right maybe this will be the start of a fall off and this will be negative

you know momentum whatever possible it feels not yet it was one game it definitely feels that way when carl anthony town scored 62 and then the coach comes out and it's like yeah that was an embarrassing way to play basketball like that was that was disgusting that was actually very disrespectful and a disgrace to to the game like why do we do that nobody was joel and b and granted even devon booker whenever uh they lost they at least least had him write the 70 on the piece of paper nobody cared about cats going 62 last night nobody dumped water bottles nobody came with the um damn the paper it just was bad vibes and so it felt weird from the timel wolves but yeah again yeah yeah reaction they want tonight like they'll be

fine yeah i i i envision a world where they slip a little bit in the standings to be honest that's all i'm saying yeah they might and i don't think it's impossible i think they might I think four is a little crazy But there's no reason To think they're gonna fall off I mean I agree it's possible I won't be shocked I think the two teams

They're close with Are better than them As you'll see my power rankings I just I'm not gonna ding them For something I think's gonna happen When it hasn't yet And they've done nothing But outside of Katz weird game

They did nothing but show us They're a good team Here's what I'm saying Right now They right now They are a game and a half up On the four seed And the team in the four seed

It would not be crazy If this team ended up in the four seed It wouldn't be crazy whatsoever. But it hasn't happened yet, so I'm not going to deign them in the power rankings until it does. But you know what? I am. I'm standing on a prediction right now. I'm predicting that the Minnesota Tim Wolves will drop out of the top three in the Western Conference. You just want to see Kat feel so bad. I guess we move on the top five. You talk about the rest of these teams already. But there's most top five. Here we go. So number one, surprise, surprise, the Denver Nuggets.

Number two, the Boston Celtics three. I do not. Did not, did not envision this happening in a million years, but that's the Los Angeles Clippers. Nikila producer did not fuck that up. I wrote that up there, and I believe it. Number four, the Milwaukee Bucks and number five, the Philadelphia's 76ers. Okay. Any qualms?

Solid. Let's get all of our top fives out the way. Yeah, so you'll see Donovan's next. Okay, so I have the Thunder at five, the 76ers at four, the Clippers at three, the Boston Sussex at two. the Denver Nuggets at 1 Okay, I respect that I have a broken slide

For me Let's go to the next one It might as go the next one anyways It shows all three I guess it's just lagging I have the Nuggets at 1 Celtics at 2 Thunder at 3

Clippers at 4 and the timber was at 5 And I'll say it Now is the time to jump on the thunder bandwagon Get with it or get the fuck out They're top 3 And I didn't even hesitate to do that

I'm getting the fuck out This train is bad in nowhere Get out of here You're gonna You're going to make me hate, and I really, I really don't want to. You're going to make me hype, and I don't feel like, no, my, I mean, not get gross. Yeah, right.

Let's tone it down. Let's tone it down, buddy. I have, shay is shay. Everybody has decided that he is a top five player, which is a big stream, but he's at least top seven to eight. He's been great this year, right? Top six. Undeniable superstar.

Whatever, whatever, easily top ten, pushing to the next realm. Jalen Williams is making the star leap before our very eyes. I came in here a few weeks ago. And I said that I think he is going to be in the same tier of prospect as Palo Bancaro, where we're talking about young tiers, I mean, young cores. And magic fans in the comments were like, what the fuck? When did Palo become trash?

I don't think Palo is trash at all. I think he's dope. But Jenel Williams is legitimately going to be a great second star. And he's making that leap. They have two star ball handlers and a stretch five, who's one of the best friend protectors in the league. That combination of talent is incredible, incredible when you project to a playoff setting. obviously incredible in the regular season they've all the depth in the world

ability to make moves I agree the size issues are an issue for a playoff series but this isn't a playoff power rankings this is what they've done for us this year and they've done nothing but show us that they're one of the best teams in the league yeah

I can agree to that to some extent they've shown me like what they can do this year and I'm not mad that they're in this like top five range top three and kind of disagree because it doesn't really make any sense to put the clippers are doing the clippers just a notch below them now it is one spot but i will say the last few times that they played the clip is what they asked the second time that they played

kawai didn't play and the fucking of course the clippers lost and third time is pending but as of now um i feel i'm like so much more certain in pg the combination pg kawai zubotch tice can't believe i'm saying that but this that squad is so much more filled out from head so than what OKC has shown. But you're just obsessed with the size thing. How can you possibly have more faith in Paul George and Kauai and James Hardin than you do in Shay, Jdub, and Chet?

Like, how can you be so confident in that trio players who are not the most reliable people in the world? You don't, we don't know at this moment in time. Again, you're talking about a rookie center and you're acting like he's like shown a four year, five year route to like a playoff success.

She's done the same thing. James Hardin has. He showed us four and five years of non-playoff success. Yeah, I agree to that. But at the same time, your conversation, your punch back to that is kind of null because it's like, it's okay. See, they're still fighting themselves as a young team and they haven't proven that just yet. And so we have to wait and slow down the breaks. And I think, okay, she should have been a number three. I think you're just wrong with that. But other than that, solid list. Don't make you press a blasphemous button. I'll do it. It's not right now. No, I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. Obviously, I understand. They're a young team. They have a lot to prove. I understand what you're saying fully. It's not crazy. I, well, you might say that. I think, is a bit crazy, but I understand not having them as high as me. I understand that I'm being on the upper echelon of hype for them

that I'm like going the furthest you can possibly go. You know, obviously the Nuggets and Celtics are the favorites to make it out. So I'm having this thunder as high as you possibly could in reasonable predictions. So I understand I'm on the extreme end. I'm just like I don't want to wait at all. I don't want to be the last one

to see this coming when they're very clearly showing that they're going to be the next great team. So you want to be the first one? Yeah, because I think they've shown it. And I think it's directly translatable to the playoffs. Obviously, like said, Chet's a rookie, and they need to get another big that can play next to him. Like, I think they should get a Kelly Olinic. They need to make that move, whoever it could be.

I agree. But at the end of the day, the real point that I have them so high is, this isn't a playoff power rankings. You know, it's not a projections. It's just off of the dead than this year. And from beginning to end, end of the clippers have been great as of late. They've surged the way back up. The Thunder never had to surge their way back up.

They've been great from start to finish. So I think they've earned the right to be, you know, labeled as the second best team in the conference. but at the same time you can't have that conversation say that they were in the right because the clippers had literally they literally restructured

basically their entire team and scheme and with that I have a four I have a four that's not actually like you had them at 15 but fucking this is the thing is what I do bro god damn I talk about the bullshit and I still just don't think that's right and that's fair necessarily

but I'm not going to kill you over it yeah it's good the thunder have two more wins I think they're just as good I have them super close it's just like they've earned it Think about what you just said, that the Thunder have two more wins. And the Clippers started off the season mid. They traded for James Harden, lost six in a row. And now there are only two games, two wins behind the Thunder who are in contention

for the one seat. There's a very serious possibility that this iteration of the Clippers ends up being the number one seed. And that's crazy. That's actually wild. And the fact that Kauai has come back and he is cyborg Kauai, he's hooping on all cylinders. James Hardin has taught Zubach how to efficiently run the pick and roll, right? All the bigs in Clipperland, they now know what it means to have the ball pass with them in the perfect spot.

Paul George doing his best, Erica Badu, right, mixtape, whatever it is. He's doing all of it. He's doing all of it. every single night. It's like they have clicked from the moment, from the moment that that losing streak was over. They have become one of the best teams in the league. And the only reason why we are not putting them,

honestly, I was, listen, you want to talk about your anti-Boss intake. I've been on the Celtics bandwagon this. Ever since they got Drew Holiday, I thought that they were going to win the championship. And I guess we can transition here. because I kind of wanted to put the clippers higher than three because listen man the subjects are making it so hard to think that they're going to win the championship this late game stuff that happens I think like what we saw from the bucks this past week

and you clearly like hey Griffin's not the guy right stuff is about to happen if the Celtics don't win a championship this year I'd fire mazula I the late game the late game stuff which is probably going to be their downfall. We all know that structurally, they don't have, I guess, I guess I'm in my back. We know that they don't have a pure point guard and that they have tried to force Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown to be these creators and initiate the offense and do all this. And they're just not those guys, right? Like you need an upgrade at playmaking. I thought Drew Holiday was going to be good enough to do some of that. The shots that they get at the end of games is absolutely ridiculous and they take step back three after step back three after step back

midi nothing is easy they never run plays musulu refuses to call timeouts if they get into a seven game series with the nuggets the and it goes to a game seven if it's tied with five minutes left i'm putting my mortgage i'm taking out a mortgage i'm putting on the nuggets because i don't i get scared watching celtics games down the stretch because i have no idea how like they're going to execute it is they're at two because of the talent and because of the wins i do not feel confident right now in my pick for them to win the championship i'm a stick by it a little bit longer but i don't feel great about it and i i kind of wanted to move them down but i gave them a little bit more respect that makes sense to me yeah i mean again

i'm i'm going to bat for the thunder and stuff but like i have one spot like i it took me a while to debate that so like I understand when the clippers at three I'm not mad at that I understand putting them in two I'm just I guess the difference is uh you're you're saying that they're so close to the thunder despite starting slow and it's like they've clearly been so good but I'm like well the starting slow matters I'm not gonna pretend that it doesn't it though but like it's a new iteration of this team though

like this no I get it right that's why the four but I'm just saying the thunder didn't have to have to go through that so I'm not gonna ding them and they pretend that they haven't I'm big on like these teams earned it and they've done nothing but show us to team so I understand this team and the clippers has been amazing after they were or not the thunder just never had a not phase you know what I mean so yeah but like if you were grading the season then you would say like okay like you guys probably got to be because there were 25 games in the beginning where you guys weren't kind of trashed but the power rankings of like

this is who you are now then like the the um the the sons right the sons have been fairly mid to below average the entire game the entire year they've won seven in a row and now they're in your top 10 and the clippers have done this for nearly two months now and with this iteration of the team they they rarely lose they beat the thunder every time they um every time that they play them and it's like they probably should be higher no i get it again it's one spot they're four so i keep more about i act like yeah yeah and i don't have the sun's top five you know because i don't i'm not basing off just the last 10 games because like even when the sons were mid they were still within striking distance so this winning streak has them up to the five

seed so like i had them appropriately ranked in the top 10 because you know they're fifth so like you know what i mean it's it's really just i'm just giving respect to the team i've never had a down period i love yeah i i'm a biggest hand is giving team kudos and just spreading awareness like yo these motherfuckers have made the leap and okay c has not batting or shaming them whatsoever they've done things that I wasn't 100% sure that they could do still have questions and they've like earned their way when it comes to winning but this season I still just had like sort of like roster questions for them yes they have one they have one fewer loss than the clippers do yeah and I'm not what's my difference it's super close yeah yeah and I'm not I'm not I'm not like

into the wins or losses right now I'm just thinking about like what have you done and how impressive is that and I just would hit the clippers a little bit higher but um again the okay c thunder are here they are like that chet hungrum is a dog j dub is a dog and hell like next year that dude's probably going to be an all-star okay see might have three all-stars next year and no one should be surprised by that you know what the difference is sorry to make you off i think about what difference is i'm just treating this like what they've earned and the way you guys are viewing it how I'm going to view it when we get to actually predicting playoff series when the time comes. Like if these two teams played, I could see myself picking the clippers over the thunder

for the reason you guys have outlined. I'm just like, I'm saving that logic for when we actually predict matchups one-on-one. I'm not necessarily viewing this as like the tiebreakers if they should play each other one-on. Well, let me stop you right there because at the same time... I love that phrase. Let me stop you here. Let me stop you right there. Don't go on. I'm like Vince McMahon.

Hold your horse at camp. Oh yeah, but... genuinely seeing how dead in the water the clippers were and how we were stomping on their grave and how they were able to just like resurge and find entirely new offense, a solid defense too, has been more impressed to me

and that just like blew me out the water. More than what O.Case has been able to do. That's just, that just literally. I get it. I totally understand it. It's just funny how we give people credit for getting out of a hole they dug themselves into. Like it's not, they were bad until they weren't. Like that's part of the equation,

which I understand. we talked we're talking in circles i get it it took time with them to figure it out and i in the moment preach patience too like i understand i'm not surprised like i give them kudos for that too it's just we're acting like it was a different roster like it was like the guys weren't there and they're digging a hole that like lou williams played them into or something like they lost those games that's all damn my bad i mean yeah it was a different roster though considering how like play style wise it was a different roster feels like that them zubotch and daniel tice being there now p j tucker not getting any burn i mean he was never really in fact

It's only veer away from that point. But it is a different roster. They feel like it. They play like it. Paul George says it's like any different roles. It's not. They just figured it out. Yeah, exactly.

And them figuring out is a little bit more presence to me. That's literally it. I'm just saying that that losing period is part of their season that like it's part of the totality. It's not like a separate thing, which I get it when we're talking about like how good they are now. That the part didn't matter. But I just think in power rankings, I'm viewing the totality a little more. And that's, and I know. I think I think you're viewing power rankings wrong in my opinion.

all right I get it again I had them four I agree with you I think they're just as good so like I were arguing over nothing wait real quick guys I guess we can move away from this argument

do you guys have anything to say about me putting the Milwaukee books at number four I mean it's too high but like yeah whatever it's like we talked about them yeah if you believe in them

okay but they are they are too high in my opinion I can't imagine putting them like them above the thunder or even the Timberwolves just that's very fair that's the season they've had i love i like to i'm again i'm i'm said it several times i'm going to be the last one on the bucks hill i'll die with the ship i'm

just like going to die with yannis and damy lillard so i understand yeah but i don't think they've earned that spot by any means they called i'm just like to save their to save their season like they're down horrendously right now you know yeah they can't be top i can agree to that yeah no i can agree that my only thing was like you know they got the in my opinion the second second best player in the NBA and Janus. And I cannot put that dude any lower than that, bro. Sorry. Donvin, I want you to keep this in mind.

Next time you feel like Mo's always siding with you, keep in mind. He's side with you. No, no, trust. No, listen, today has been very good for me. Like, I've been, I felt very validated by Mo being on my side. It's actually a big moment. Bro, this was my side. You came to me, actually.

I made that point very clear. I thought we was in lock step and you are trying to put us against each other. I didn't back you up. He's yours. Keep him. Hey, I'll stand 10 toes on my own. And this is from you. We're having a pod raise for him.

Y'all, y'all. You're crown eaters. He's coming. He's closing to us than you. TikTok eaters come save. If he's not black, I get him on my team. Oh, my God. Somebody in the comments said they thought we were brothers.

So I get him on my team. Are you serious? No, his fist is up. He's with us. That's crazy. He's with us. That's a light brown fist. That palm is pale

He's on my team Oh my gosh It is TikTok time Let's fucking get into it Please As always We're going to start with the draft Today we're going to be drafting

NBA lineups With only players Whose first name starts With the letter D We've done a few of these drafts With different names I think we've done S K and maybe A

Yeah It's pretty interesting You know Get some different players in here We wouldn't normally draft Yeah, man, I am excited Donovan Naturally, Donovan gets the first pick

Having a dename himself I'm second, Mo's third All right Tragic There's not a bad place to be third at though No, it's a great job to have third So you better be thankful All right, with the first overall pick

Give me Dirk Novitsky Interesting I did not think you're going to go there That must be a team construction plot Yes, give me Dirk at my four Okay Let's ruin his plot Moe

I see words going with that I don't know if you do Who are you taking? Second pick Give me Dwayne Wade The best player in this draft Arguable It's always nice

You can get the best player The second pick That's arguable Yeah I don't like That you left him on a board Donovan But it is what it is Anyways Third pick

Go ahead and give me David Robinson Okay I forgot about David Robinson Yeah I need Oh, I folded. Yeah. Best point in this draft.

Wrong, buddy. Okay, it's still debatable. Let's relax. Guys, I have the best thing. Sure. I have the best thing. All right, buddy, relax. You can sit down.

And then, at my point, go ahead and give me Damien Lurlund. Damien Lured, okay. Okay. Makes sense. Love that. 1-5. Give me Dwight Howard. Mm, that's a great way to combat.

I like it. Okay. Okay. I thought Donald would want him. He didn't react. I guess not. No. No, I'm okay. I'm okay. There's not a lot of these guys here. So at my three, give me Dominique Wilkins. Good pick. Okay. That's solid. And then I do need a guard. So at my two, give me Devin Booker. Ooh. Okay. That's great. I love that. I love that. I'm glad you folded. I'm so glad you folded. Give me MVP Derek Rose. that's okay

need that you are you are building the 2012 all-star team they're going to go to many generation that's hilarious all right

cool this is perfect team construction so at my at my four give me draymond green

I got the most physicality god damn world okay get passed by and you're getting clothes lined and then

Dway's dunking on him but so be it. Yeah, we'll see, buddy. And then at my three, go ahead and give me Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell with a three? My bad. I'm going to say my two.

My two. Give me Donovan Mitchell. Plain up? Okay. Interesting. Okay, I'm an interesting spot here. Do I go team construction or just talent? Hmm.

You know what? I need spacing. Am I three? Oh, I don't know if I won't do that. This is a tough spot to be in. I like this job I like this drop a lot I need spacing

at my three give me one of the most slept on underrated shooters of all times that I only know because of 2K give me Dale Ellis Ew

flame thrower when the best shooters of all time his first name is Dale can't respect it that boring ass name all right

at my point guard give me underrated 2010's point guard 2000's point guard give me Darren Williams at my point guard and then at my center give me de Kimbe Matumbo that's a good pick I figured you were gonna pick him if you didn't get Dwight Howard okay I like that

that's that's all that's all okay what do I want to go with this last one I can go a lot of directions here damn I wish I had a little more time to think about this because do I want to go spacing or do I want to go deep choke choke choke choke choke choke choke Hey, yo. I can't say nothing, man. No, you know what? I got enough defense with Dwight Howard. I'm going to go fit over team.

Give me the prime Danila Gallinari at the four for spacing. Yuck! Oh my gosh. You're so dramatic. Bro, we are running. We are running whoever offense on DeNallel Gellonari. Whoever offense, meaning whoever got the ball. You're going at him.

Iso, Iso, forget the Dino Galinari. I got Dwight Howard in the back ready to swat that shit. I'm good. Dale, we're going to have Dwight Howard looking like Rudy Gobert. He won't know who to go. We'll probably ISO against Danilo and Dale Ellis. What the hell is? Come here.

Come here. Come here to the top of the key. D. Rose and Dway was shooting. Come here to the top of the key, Dale. I'm not doing nothing. Yeah, no. The shooter, you got Dway, D.Way, D.O's and Dwight, D. The spacing ain't like that, my boy.

Two of the best shooters of all time. Whatever. Elite shooters or position. Yeah. Best shooters at all time. Three non-shooters were in 20-24. Come on now. So for my last pick,

again, I'm going spacing. Go ahead and give me Desmond Bay. There you go. I like that pick. He's hoping. I was to think about picking him, but I picked Ellis over him

because I need the shooting more. Is Dale, whoa, okay. I mean, I guess so. But I don't think you could have gone wrong with that. I don't think you could have gone wrong with it. I mean, no, Del Ellis is good. He's just played the 70s or not the 80s. Is he putting up 25 like Desmond Bain?

Yes. Can you hit in and outs like Desmond Bain today? No. I wasn't around to watch him, but he was an all-knit. He can't hit it. Nah, Dale would have thought that was wizardry, bro. He would have called FBI on Desmond Bain. He played in the 90s, not the 40s.

He's named as Dale. How am I supposed to know? Dale Ellis. Somebody find me a clip. If Dale Ellis cannot do one, he's between pool, he's not getting on my team. No, he shot 47, 48% from three in 1989 when he averaged 27 points per game. He's him.

Oh, my goodness. On how many threes? On how many threes? Four. Which is out for that era. Taking no bad. Yeah, no, he's a fucking laser. Like, this is a great pig.

Yeah, he's a laser, but he's not. Great pink. No, no, he's a laser. He's better than Desmond Bay. Nah. Better than, man. 27 points per game in 1989? You don't have to, I guess you do have to justify it to us.

As long as you're happy with your team, that's okay. Oh, you guys are assholes. Whatever makes you happy, bro. Yeah. I'm happy for you, bro. You dickheads. No, it's okay. Oh, man, that's funny.

Yeah, I was between Dennis Robman or Danilla Gallagallari at the four, but I was like, I can't draft a fourth non-shooter. Yeah, I agree. I'm surprised Dennis got, like, undrafted, but you didn't go, you didn't do any wrong with that. So for my team, I have. I got Damien Lowe at my one at my two, Donovan Mitchell. three, Desmond Bain, four, Draymond Green. What, Draymond Green and five, David Robinson.

Dude, your one through three is not impressive defensively whatsoever. You're talking about Miga and I sewed. You have no defenders one through three. Listen, I got Dremont and it don't matter because you have to out shoot me. Good luck with that. Dremont won't last two minutes on the floor. He's going to foul somebody. He's going to foul somebody.

Yeah. He'll choke somebody out. Yeah. Yeah, I know. And your player will be gone off of that team, too. Who? Who's really losing? My team is composed.

I have champions on my team. Or I have a champion. You ain't going to have championships, champions after what I tell Jeremy. Listen, I have. Knock him out. I have Darren Williams, Devin Booker, Dominique Wilkins, Dirk, DeKimbei Mantembo. Listen, four, two through five, Hall of Famers. Hall of Famers, greatest to ever play.

Y'all over here talking about Desmond Bain and Dale Ellis. Don't talk to me right now. I won this. I got this one. Del Ellis is better than Darren Williams. You shut your mouth. Yeah, that's tough. You shut your mouth.

I just don't see if you say, I don't know. I'm not going to debate Del Ellis versus Darry Williams. Because it's not a debate. You never said that name, Dale Ellis, until this draft in your life. I know him from two guys from back in the day. That's all he is. Video game player. I'm going to go tapping with Dale.

We don't have to this podcast. We don't want any smoke. We don't want any smoke, Dale. I'm tapping in after this pod on God. No, he's good. He's actually good. Trust me. You keep saying that.

You don't have to convince me. He's already on your team. I'm not picking him. It's okay. MVP Derek Rose, Dwayne Wade, Dale Ellis, Gallo,

and Dwight Howard. I got, basically it's the version back when Dwight Howard is playing with all those shooters. We had, what's his name? Turky glue.

I got another one of those big white boys. You Boston. He said, he said turkey glue. Turkleon. He knew turkey. He said turkey. He said turkey.

Turkey. Oh, he's a turkey glue. I love that Tarka glue I love that That's like what I call Victor Rambiana

Victor Rambiana Oh Rambayama Wet wet bananas That wouldn't even Funny that was wrong Like that's just not his name Let us know who you think Juan

Fit over team Fit over talent Anyways Next thing we're going to do What do you want to do next? What do the NBA fits? Yeah Let's go ahead and get that out

the way. Let's go ahead and get that out of the way. Ladies and gentlemen. There was a popular picture going on the internet of Tyreys Halliburton wearing a fucking piquy blinders ass outfit. We're going to talk about that and other NBA outfits. We're going to rate them from one to ten. Yeah, exactly.

I'll have some NBA outfits for y'all. And y'all be putting that shit on occasionally on the podcast. I thought you guys be perfect candidates to tell whether or not. Tell me whether or not if this player put that shit on or not on a scale of one to ten. So, let's go ahead and see what's next.

I love this. I love the Tyree's picture. It's hilarious. So 1 to 10, let's go. Let's go. So Tyrese Halliburton. Listen, I'm not getting to lie. This is a fit.

This actually is like a decent outfit. Like I'm giving this a 7 or an 8. It's not bad. I like the vest. I like the long sleeve. I'm a good fan of some light jeans. With that hat. He's revving the Piqui mother fucking blinders.

I cannot unsee it. Listen, this is. This is elite This is elite Amazing reference picture From they killed The Jonathan Majors Hold up

Yeah exactly And everyone's called him Most deaf Exactly He's listening to Talib Kuali In his headphones He's hilarious He definitely

Yeah Was at a Chappelle show Recording in 2005 Like That's where he was at I actually liked this fit From him

It's just It's just from a different era But it's a good fit Nonetheless I would like This fit If I was like If it was like 1907 and if he was a train conductor.

I just imagine him saying, all aboard, all aboard, just honking that bitch. And I just see people running late to that bitch. I imagine him being six years old with a wicker basket going extra, extra read all about it. Throwing fucking newspapers. Not too much, not too much, not too much. Extra acts or read all about it. The ugly ass, oh, my God. I imagine that.

Got the nosies. this is a five it's a seven it's good I might wear it you might wear it I need to I need to give me a hat like that I just respect the past man

you can't do that to your arm worst tradition reject stop respecting your elders so much you don't got to dress like them that's hilarious what's next ooh

so we got Kyle Kuzma This is Dude, is this a trash If you're at fashion week If you're at fashion week This is a 10 out of 10 Those misunderstood people

Love outfits like this On a day to day basis He could barely breathe He hits over his nose It's at his mouth He cannot breathe This is a suffocating outfit It's a four

It's not practical This looks like he's It looks like he's in an institute In a program And he's worrying this to protect himself For his own safety Him and those around You danced around

You danced around what you really want I feel that. I see that. Yeah. You can't be left unattended for more than 20 minutes. Crazy. Listen, man. Nah, this is, this is terrible. People, you put on some Rick Owens shoes, which is just some designer converse.

I mean, you think you got it on. Kyle Cooseman. You failed on this one. This is not a good fit. He looks buoyant. Like if I'm in a boat, I'm going to see him in the distance flooding up and down to show me the shores coming close. To survive on the Titanic, for sure.

He didn't need the door. He didn't need the door. He got to shut out of my face. He looks like a boss level villain in like the Power Rangers or some shit like that. You know before they go ahead and morph into like 10 times of size, he's one of them dudes. A little goblins? Yeah, exactly. One of them gobbels just sprout and demolish the city.

You can take a hit. Yeah. I will say that. This man can take a punch in this. I guarantee. All black. Fire. Is the fire?

Zero. Zero. Zero. Zero. Three. You're moving. What's next? Oh, we got James Hardin putting on that shiasty.

This looks Photoshop. Is this real? This is real as fuck. He put that shit on. Did he or did he not? Is he coming off the set of Lazy Town? This is crazy. No, he had to do.

Listen, I know that for sure, the game before this, he shot two for 17. He didn't want anybody to see his face. He just wanted to get into the arena, do his business and do all that. What is this? What is this? Him and Jojo's, what hit Neiman Marcus and went crazy. If you had a three-year-old

color in a coloring book, this is what it would look like. They just use the brightest colors possible. Nothing makes sense. And then somehow you put on the iciest chain possible. Yeah. And for that. I'll give it a five just for the icy chain. It saves it.

Facts. Exactly. This is an easy five. I agree. What's next? Oh, next up. we got Dylan Brooks Now this stone cold

Steve Austin has fit This is 315 Where are the goddamn beers at He better be crashing the bitches When he's on the court They're showing so much chest With the jorts This is just nuts

I don't even know what to think about this I'm still a shock I'm still a shock Yeah I'd like take a second To compose myself Listen Yeah if I see this If Drewskiy lost 100 pounds

He would look like this Honestly I think I respect a bit I think I respect the just audacity to wear this to a game I might give it an eight Yeah prime villain error bro No one no one wore shorts like that

Chest all out I'd be terrified I think he's gonna tombstone Power drive my ass on the court bro Then that's what you're doing He looks at the third member of LMFAO Wow what a cool As soon as I look that up

I'm gonna die I already know I will He was shuffling party rockers They're in the house tonight This is crazy I'm gonna give an eight You're old. An eight is solid.

Damn. He's not even that bad, but this is an age. What's next? I'm sexy and I know it. Draymond Green. This is hard. Is it? Did he put that on?

It's kind of fire. I don't know. I mean, the satin was kind of strange, but I respect it. Listen, I think he showed up for this on ring night, right? This is the first game of the season he wants to put on a good impression. This is an Easter suit. if I've ever seen one right this is this is on ring night I think so something like that oh so that means he wore selta green after putting them in the dirt hard oh that's tough that's tough

hard that's a statement right there I'm giving it a nine it's too shiny damn it's too shiny yeah this has to be this has to be nine after that I'm not gonna like this is it's not a nine in terms of looks but in terms of insult mine and this is what draymond green is about on the court off the court he's gonna get his insult off yeah always disrespectful I appreciate it I agree What's next? Magic Johnson

This is hard as fuck This is tough This is one of the greatest outfits The NBA has ever seen ORA levels off the charts This is amazing 10 out of 10 You know if it's good

When you see it And you're like I can never wear that That shit is hard as fuck I can never pull it off But I respect it so much Ten Listen man Magic Johnson pull this out

all the everybody needs to be inside no one can step out when he's looking like this bro he's snapping this only works if your name is magic if you have to gravitas to call yourself magic and everybody agrees and then calls you magic as well you can wear this shit 10 10 out of 10 this is one of the five best oral pictures I've ever seen in my life thanks if I said call me magic you would laugh at me exactly I put on a fur coat is they call me magic you'd fucking throw tomatoes at me What's next? This is hilarious.

Oh, next up we got Zion Williamson. Listen, he is known to not have good outfits. This, once again, keeps his legacy alive. This is a zero out of ten. I have no idea with this. You're not fucking with the anime? No. You don't fuck with One Piece, Naruto.

I've never seen the other. This man has never put this shit on a day in his life. This is insane. What? Are you serious? He dresses like a sixth grader. If you gave him sixth grader, uh, he dresses. is like if you gave a six grader of five million dollars and said buy whatever you want that's

everything he buys is from the frame of mind of i am fucking 12 he's shown what he's into man he can't go ahead and be just he can't just show what he's interested in no no i respect it i got some man in my shirt this is just not nice listen you respect it i don't you're a millionaire get a stylist get a stylist there's people out here who will dress you you don't even have to do that and especially the problem isn't come on the problem isn't the anime vest is that he paired the anime vest with the anime pants and anime shoes like it's just tacky. Exactly. He clearly

doesn't know how to do this. Get some help. Call somebody. I have, I follow stylists on Instagram. I will DM them to Zion so that he knows who to call. Please. 1-800. Put that shit on. Fucking Hawkins. That's somebody can help you.

I promise you. Yonis Valentunis has more dripped than Zion and that's a problem. That's crazy. Herb Jones has your back. I promise. Now, Hart Jones is a wrong one Because this is never mind Excuse him a call match your back Forget the players

Really green will have them dressed In something better than this Listen Adam Silver's a phone call away This is why The dress code needs to be reinstated Because we can not have NBA players On the sidelines looking like this I guess I'm a one here

Damn Zion I was with you But the guy said it once so I got to I got to go with one. What's next? Oh, that's the last one. Love it. Yeah, man, this is so bad.

Like, the vest can be fine if he just wore some normal clothes outside of it. Come on, road. I thought it was pretty hard, Zion. You're showing your self-expression, and I'm with that. Express yourself a little less. That's some decor. Decorum. No, he definitely looks like in middle school.

Like, he had a game that day. We used to dress up for the basketball games. You're saying that he slept next to that outfit the night before? Hit that bitch on the bed. Yeah, exactly. First day his cool ass outfit. He's just saying, I'm a killing with this one, ugly ass. You got the Saskei Renegon shoes?

Oh, my God. He's probably running out of the hall like anime. Oh, God. His arm's mind is it? All right, man. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do something that's a little similar of the things we've done the past. We're going to guess NBA players, you know, one of the main,

first segments we had that started was guess the NBA player in 20 questions it's gonna be similar to that but it's gonna be based I forgot who I saw do it I saw somebody on TikTok do it today where uh you had three hints okay so we can do it that way where you guys the goal here is to guess the NBA player I'm thinking of and as least hints as possible ooh so I'm gonna start off and give you one then I'm gonna give you two then I'm gonna give you three and we'll see if you can get it with less than the smallest amount hints possible all right sounds good so okay real simple guess the NBA player I'm thinking of in the least amount of hints possible

First off He wears red Okay Okay First guess on the board Demard Rosen Incorrect Do we each get three guesses

Let's say you each get one per I don't know We'll fill it out All right Um I'm a guess Operin Shangoon Ooh good guess

It's not Shingun Okay, he said good guess that might be on the same team. Okay, is this Fred Van Vleet? It's not Fred Van Villeet. Damn. Is this, it's this Jimmy Butler? Nope. All right.

We'll give you guys two guesses for him. Okay, sounds good. Sounds good. Second hint, he's below 6.5. Oh, this is. Below 6.5. This is ridiculous. below six five man is vague

below six five there's someone on the rockets that I that I want to say his name but I literally can't think because he doesn't get any burn like that is this a manual quickly this is not a manual quickly that was a good though that's a good guess I know you like that as I said I see the pool potential I see you like that yeah this long but almost but I'm writing spirit so I'm take that it's okay also wrong in spirit but no i'm right it's

i'm gonna stay in the same conference same team is this a sarre thompson this is not a sarre thompson he's above six five okay one last guess oh i guess i guess i guess this is this this trey young oh this is not tra young damn he said oh like you're gonna get that bitch you're a terrible person isa so my hopes okay damn it Have you, do you want out of guess? You have one more. One more.

Yeah. One more. Okay. Let me switch conferences. Is this Jose Alvarado? He doesn't wear red? I said switch conferences. Yeah, he's on the Pelicans.

They don't wear red. They do. Last hint. He has an iconic haircut. An iconic haircut. Great. I'm through the layup. It shouldn't be that hard.

Okay. Donovan, that means this shit has to be really bad. I know. Wait, I have to look I said iconic I didn't say disasters I have to look at teams I need to know who who wears red

Let me look at this Let me look at this Yeah no iconic haircut In my opinion This shit must be a disaster So now that I think about it Who is this Damn who this could be

What the fuck? I don't know Tick tick tick I have no idea That's to make it interesting When I give the third hint You guys only have one guess Oh okay

Okay. Okay. Now, now I really have to lock in. Yeah, you better lock in. No, I really have to lock in. Okay. I got it. I got it. I got it. Is this Jimmy Buller? Incorrect. What the fuck? He said under 6.5. I caught it here. Said under 6.5. Oh, he's this? Also, Donovan guessed Jimmy Butler immediately in the beginning. You suck.

I don't remember that. You got one guest left Donovan. No way. We're praying. Is this? Kobe White. Incorrect. This is Alex Carru. so. See, this is my problem, man. What iconic character is that? He's bald. He's the average man. And that's iconic. He's the bald mamba, bald eagle. Like that, this was so easy. I'm going to start hosting these tic talks. Isaac is as easy. This is so, you know, he's iconically bald.

Famously bald as fuck. I was on the same team. I'm not going to be mad. It's fine. It's okay. Famously bald as fuck. Okay. Bald as fuck. God damn. You're right. He was bald in college, but damn it, that was not fair. It was supposed to say, he's bald. That would have been so easy. Do you know how many bald people there are in the league? We drafted. He's the most famous bald in the league.

We drafted bald lineups before. That's not a hairpin. Famous bald in league. Very few of them are active players. What a title, right. That's fair. Next player. First player.

He plays in a big market team. Okay, Cam Reddish No, not Camerettish Damn This is Jalen Brunson Yep, this is Jaylon Brunson There you go Damn, Donovan

You like that Say it with your chest Way better showing Than Alex Cruz someone There you go I don't play about Jaylen Brunson This is the guy He did his disgusting

Celebration Oh my gosh Get me out of here I had to fix my camera Okay Next one he is a champion is this

he's a champion oh my god is Aaron Gordon I'm like that I'm like that cheat cheat I'm like that I'm here today I showed up to play I showed up to play how

how swing around oh my god you miss the easiest one possible then you one hit quit the other two that's crazy I think that my showing over the last two shows that I was deceived in the first one by bald and haircut if you are bald you don't

don't get haircuts. What you do? You're bald. You don't get haircuts. What a debate. If you are bald and you show up to the barbershop, they're like, come on, man. You can't come in. You could have to go home.

No, they say this is the easy lick. I'm going to shave your fucking head. I show you how to do it. And those are scammers. All right. Next player. He is controversial. Dremont Green.

Yeah. on green correct damn how so fucking i get it too easy hint to front that's on me i get i made it too easy i love that we're here we're here we're here very enough you get a freebie next player he is uh he's controversial i'll say it again is this rudy gobert this is not rudy gobert okay is it john moran this is not john moran no oh what players have been in news for Is this Anthony Davis? This is not Anthony Davis. Good guess.

Not really, but okay. People go back and forth on AD. He's a very big part of the sports. Oh, okay. It's on you, though. Okay. You have one more guess. Is this Zon Williamson?

This is not Zionlein Williamson. Good guess, though. Hit number two. He was a top three pick in his draft class. Wow. Okay. Okay, so is this DeAndre Aden

Oh, no, this is not DeAndre Aidan Is this Ben Simmons? No, this is not Ben Simmons. Damn, that was a great one too, Donovan. You're just sniffing around, okay. One more guess for this hint. Okay, not, not Ben Simmons, not DeAndre Aiton. Could this be James Wiseman?

This is, it could be, but it's not. Damn. I'm going to guess Jason. Tatum. I don't think Jason Tatum is particularly controversial, so incorrect. Okay.

Ah, that is tough. Last hint. This guy is tall. So it's not James... Yeah, I'll say that. You know what that means.

Obviously, he's like, yeah. For an NBA player. Got you. Okay. Cool. All right. So like what?

So there's Wemby, there's... Is this Carl Anthony Towns? This is Carl Anthony Towns. What did clutch it up? Big Pur! We hear. Good job.

we hear love him I hate him you think he's the most talented big of all time you think he's soft as shit whichever way he's controversial good job listen man good job mo I never seen him get put in a headlock before in my life all right next up

who is this player wrong what I did the wrong TikTok transition that's hilarious okay um he plays in California okay is this PJ Tucker this is not PJ Tucker

First of all Amazing guess Because that's a pull That Isaac would take Even though he has Even though he gets no bird Hmm Is this

Deeran Fox This is not Deeran Fox Okay It's not Deeran Fox Is this Jonathan Camingo The cum bucket

This is not the cum bucket Damn This is not the cumboxer Okay. Is this? No come in this bucket. Is this red velvet himself, Kavon Herder? No.

This is not my light skin King, Kavon. I thought we, I thought we supported black men over here. I guess not. My bad. He's a role player. Is this Cam Reddish? Okay. This is not Cam Reddish.

There's no Camerich on this list. I'm not picking Camerrides. I'm guessing them. I'm guessing three times. Is this Norman Powell? This is Norman Powell. Donovan, we got you, brother. There we go.

My third hit was he looks like Donovus. This isn't me. You caught right. You caught right-handed, bro. The live stream chats say otherwise. They're racist. Like, there's no other way to put it. They are racist.

There's no denying this right here, bro. Stop running away from it. Instead, breathe it. Accept it to be it. All right. Next up. He. we can confirm this okay

go ahead confirm because i got these guesses this is about to be some bull listen i got some i got a crazy pull for you right now so as soon as you said something i might hit this bitch let's do it okay he was he was not a lottery picking the draft not a lottery pick in the draft okay cam thomas this is not cam thomas damn let's see you wait guess again mo what i'm thinking Okay, not a lot of you picking the NBA draft Could this be Tyrese maxi This is not Tyrese maxi Damn! Is this Nicola Yokic

This is not Nicola Yokic Okay Okay, not a lot are you picking the draft I need another pick I need another pick Is this? I'm trying to think of Why don't even know if it's a star or anything like that Is this Shangoon? This is not Shangoon.

Okay. He's made all-star teams. Ooh. He's made all-star teams and he wasn't. This is current, by the way, right? Yeah, it's all current. Wow. He said he's made all-star teams.

Okay. And he wasn't a lottery pick. That's tough. There's not a lot of those types of players in the league like that. They can still be like a first round, first round guy. this is yeah this is this is kind of tough though is this Paul wait no no no I was going to say Paul George is this Jimmy Butler

this is Jimmy Butler oh my god that huge I always gave me a heart attack thank God I was stressed in this bitch that was the last one this is here we're like we're like that mom yeah oh my God what a pool

I love it. You guys got more than you didn't, so good job. Yeah. Usually these are a flop, so I'm so happy with myself. All right, next thing we're going to do, we're going to do a little old versus new, you know, a TD3 staple. We're going to get to some basketball talk. You know, we've been playing a lot of games. We're talking about fits.

Let's do a little bit of light analysis. We're going to agree. We're going to say which NBA team was better, old versus new. Okay. So, you know how it goes. It's going to be a current day team versus the same franchise as team. from a while ago. So I love these.

Which NBA team is better, old or new? First up, the Lobcity Clippers versus the 20203 Clippers. This 2023 Clippers would sweep that Lobcity team, man. I'm sorry. Oh, my God. Sweep? Yeah. Sweep?

Come on. Come on. Prime Chris Paul, Blake Griffin? It's not an easy matchup. Yeah, and also Doc Rivers? Uh-huh. He's making that worse. Deduct that, bro.

Fair enough. True. I feel that. But DeAndre J. jump over Zubach every single play he can't Zubach can't guard him that is true I think uh I think JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford would be in hell being attacked every time down the court by these big wings I think yeah I think any one of these four guys on the screen would hate to chase J.J. Reddick around screens all day long just fine just fine yeah he

get that PG's job or Russell Westman tell him run around bro then they'll do that he'll do that. Kauai Leonard is he is feasting in this series too, bro. Matt Barnes is going to act like he saw a ghost once Kauai hits a winner. It's just his whole body

to the other side. Yeah. I'm taking Lopsity. What? I'm taking Lopsyty. You know, I'll go Lopsyty just because I think they deserve more respect in terms of

talking about the NBA landscape over the years. They were a legitimately great team. They can never get it done because they continuously lost the champions. They were a great team that shouldn't be forgotten

by history. 100%. Yep. Also the greatest 3-1 blowing needs of all time salute they're very nasty on 2k 2k 13 oh my goodness don't get me started

come on all right next up the 2018 thunder versus this year's thunder it's this is the paul george and west very clearly this year's thunder that 2018 thunder was a disappointment they got ran out the building

by a rookie donovan Mitchell it's no competition well what's the year they lost the trailblazers The 19 And that's the better year, right? That's when Paul George was third MVP. No, 18 was the MVP year.

Oh, okay. Well, describe that. But Paul George is third MVP. That doesn't move you? No. That doesn't matter because Andre Roberson is right there and he is the biggest zero on offense I've seen in my life. Yeah, listen.

He's a great defender. Shea and J. Have him in hell. Yeah, exactly. He's like a less evolved version of Lou Dort. He's like Lou Dort with zero bag. Imagine defending each other, Isoing. Yeah, so that's the ugliest matchup ever.

Stap my eyeballs out, please. Yeah, I'll go 2024 Thunder as well. Yeah, I'm going 2024 Thunder. I hate to say it. I hate to say it. But this is a huge carry bar with some PG. All right. Next up, the 2013 Lakers versus this year's Lakers.

A story of two disappointments. I'm going with the best two players, A.D. and LeBrons, though. I can't be wrong with them. I might have to go with this year's Lakers only because Steve Nash barely played and they had Kobe worked so hard that he tore his Achilles, messed up the rest of his career because of how bad this team was. It has to be this year's. Yeah.

This year's Lakers suck, bro. As disappointing as the Lakers were, They were firmly a playoff team The Lakers are sputtering around 500 Hoping to make the play in No, they weren't though I don't think it's easy They were barely a playoff team too

Yeah The plane didn't exist But they were a playoff team I don't know man This is I guess we can go with today's Lakers But I don't feel confident picking them over anybody

Listen I'm picking Austin Reeves Over anybody any day Give me him I'm not even picking Austin Reeves Over to Jontaine Murray Send him to Atlanta Oh man

That's hilarious Alright next of that last one The 2018 Pelicans Versus this year's Ooh This is I remember Julius Randall Was a part of that roster

That's so crazy And he was good And he had a good year with them Was Is that Nicola Mirich Or is that Omar Osset No that's Nicole That's Nicole Amritish

Yeah What a pool What a pool Oh I'm going with the old Pelicans I'm going with the old Pelicans one has one has an athletic freak

that is a generational talent the other has Zion Williamson 2018 2018 is winning People forget about young AD Young AD in the playoffs Riz to a new level every year averaging like 27 points per game

People talk about how Drew Holiday Destroyed Damien Lowe in the playoffs that year Anthony Davis is the big reason they locked Damien Lowe the fuck up that year That was a monster duo Yeah I agree That team right there was genuinely nasty Was this the year they had Rondo too?

Yep They're picking this version The new versions of Pelicans apart It's not even close Yeah Valchunus is going to be in hell dealing with young AD Yeah

Jose Alvarado and Rondo Are gonna be throwing hands on the court And I'd love to watch that Facts Scrabber What a visual Just imagining I think of the picture of Rondo

squaring up my head the Chris ball. Jose El Dorado pulling his shorts up. Yeah, exactly. Rondo was pissed and snuck behind and trying to go to get a ball.

Jose Avarvado's hands are going to be sideways. What you're going to do about it? You're just going to fight that squat down real low with their hands like sideways. That's going to be up, Arrano. Pants up to his nipples. Yeah, that's a great.

Brandon here we're going to be in a cut to and he's going to try to swing on somebody. Oh, fast. It's coming over the top. Because of that, Leightly New Pelkins, bro, too y'all too. In a fight, yeah. In a basketball game,

O'Pelkins are washing them. New Zion, listen, New Zion is putting up stats that old Julius Randall was. That's all this was. Facts. Oh, that's sick. That is sick. Damn.

Just saying. All right, next up, let's move on to our tier list. I forgot we had to do a tier list today. This time, we're going to put former number two overall draft picks into a tier list. Okay. So, do you guys want to do this

based on how good they are or how they were relative to their draft status for the team. Okay, so how good their career is on? Yep, I think that's fair. Okay. Yeah, so it doesn't matter about their original team, which is how good they've done in totality.

Okay. So, let's put these NBA number two draft picks into a tier list. First off, Kevin Durant. S tier. Greatest number two pick of all time. Exactly, and there's no conversation about it. He is one of the 15 best players

probably that we've ever seen touch the court when it comes to straight up talent he won't the greatest though but he's like that he's not 15 greatest too probably he's up there top 20 okay

a hating topic for another day next up John Morant is he also S-tier he's certainly not S-tier not A-tire yet

I agree we can go A-tier he's already made like all-start teams he's made all NBA stuff like when he's on the court he's productive so I'll go 18 yeah yeah and listen he had his moment of controversy he paid the suspension price he's past that he deserves a tier everyone knows that he has a clear pathway to be that dude and you can build your organization around him he can make hella all NBA first teams later down the line and maybe he can take you

to a championship that will never shock anyone he's 18 yeah yeah Hate topic for another day. This is Luca and Shea's league. He gets him the first team is locked up, but I see your point. Jah, they don't forgot about you. You wrong. Stay on that side. Next up, LaMarcus Aldridge.

Well, he's so slept on, man. One of the more underrated players in all time. He could be, I think you'd be a tier. I think I think eight years. I think eight years also very, very fitting. He wasn't. Yeah, he's probably closer to Jod than he has KD all time. Yeah.

Yeah. Easily, easily. But to have. have a career as long as he did and be as good as he was and legitimately be like the building block of teams that's not a lot of people can say that so a eight definitely a he's a bedrock for a franchise for a decade that's a huge accomplishment yeah yeah and he was just cursed with having incompetent dms bro his entire tension there and so it's like what can you know we're being too positive Marvin bagley d d yeah i want to say

No, no, no, no, no. What is he done? No, there's a person on this list that that is reserved for it. Marvin Bagley is a D. Nah, he ain't do nothing, bro. He was on the 30s lost rate. Where's he at? Where's he at right now?

He helped contribute to the Wizards. He ain't doing nothing. I forgot, he did trade. He's been a little. I forgot, he did get trade. Martin Bag is a decent player. That could be, but also the consequence of this pick, that could have been Luca Donchich.

That's hard to forget that. That's unfair. Just because the kings aren't compensated. It doesn't mean that he's even more. just put him at d and let him right fair enough don't indeed he's a solid player I think he's a little bit underrated actually yeah I disagree

yeah he's in D okay next up Lonzo ball listen I hate to do this to you I hate to do this to you Lonzo you gotta go in D you gotta go in D you gotta go

no no I don't even see if Marvin Baggley's no Lonzo can be at least I'm sorry his knees are are FT but I'm giving him D out of respect

Pause Hey yo Let's get me My bad Put him in C Next one Oh my god What the fuck was that

Oh my god Hey fucking yo Next up Brandon Ingram Brandon Ingram's B tier He's a great beatier Yeah Exactly

If we're putting somebody between La Mano If we're putting somebody Smack between Lonzo Ball and John Morant You're describing Brandon Ingram Folks are going to be mad about it But Randy Ingram can never be a number one dude

On a championship team And that's perfectly fine He doesn't have to be that He's not as good as Jean Morant I don't care Damn I just spice it to me Y'all keep a war is going to have him in hell

Next up DeAngelo Russell He's probably We could put him in S for snitch Oh okay Okay, Nick Young. Well, I see you. Apparently, Nick Young's still bad about it.

Nick Young typing right now, facts. I mean, if Brandon Ingrams B, DeAngel Russell C? Yeah, he's not better than Brandon Ingram or in that tier player at all, bro. I think he's soft. And I think the best year of Lonzo is probably pretty comparable to what we see from Delo today. Yeah. I agree. Cool.

C's the good role player tier. This is actually like the best tierless he made so far in terms of like very differentiated tiers. Yeah, I'll be honest. We're all time great, all star, all time great, great all star, low level all star, role player. Eh, trash. He goes perfectly. Yeah. Next up, James Wiseman.

He has to go in. Nikol already put him an F. He was supposed to be the next AD to, uh, uh, uh, uh, come. Oh, goddamn. He was supposed to be the next AD according to the scouts. So he has to be an F. Yeah. What were they cooking?

Five second. nothing that's that's what it calls that's what he got traded for that's where it costs yeah Troy weaver FBI investigate this man now if you're if you're a top two pick and you get traded for second round picks during your first contract after here damn terrible they couldn't even get killing Hayes in that deal so second round picks listen listen he was on the team James Wiseman was on the team it was him him and Marvin Bagley and they and they low-key started playing Bagley over him he was losing out Barron Bagley's nice

We're not having to disrespect Marvin Bagley Oh man I feel so sorry for Detroit fans Because he's not that nice Because he's kind of nice But not that nice Correct He's not as nice as DeAngelo Russell But he's kind of nice

It's a little nice Last one Chet Holgren I feel like we have to put him in B right now But he has the potential to be A next year Even this year I agree I agree

Perfectly said B for now You can't put him with John Moran them but he'll get there yeah and you can't put it in lonso and dilo either because that production is already there day one yeah he walked into the league miles more valuable than dilo is and he's already an all-star caliber player bro so that's rare sight to see yeah guys sometimes donvin jokingly says another perfect tier list from td3 yada yada this is legitimately a perfect tier list what do you mean what do you mean it every single time we we do perfection i always say this yeah no

I picture perfect tier list It's all completely logical If you have any qualms with it You're wrong Leave us alone Don't at me We're good I usually say this shit is trash

But this is genuinely good bro Yeah we're fucking like that Sign me What do I got love to do We have one more I think We got two more This is a long episode

Y'all We're already three hours We're going It doesn't even feel that long either We're flowing I had two energy drinks in here I am ready Give me five more

I'll devire them Listen You're talking about that If you want to go Energy Drink For energy drink For energy drink, Isaac might win that

because he's loaded. Listen, my stomach is growling. So listen, audio fans, if you hear it on the mic, I apologize. Because it's going crazy right now. All right, man. Next thing we're going to do,

we're going to do something that's more, it's still basketball focused, but it's also vibe focused, which is, I think, quintessential TD3. That's what we do. We're going to talk about NBA players and decide how fun they are to watch

from one to 10. Okay. Pure vibes. Doesn't come to be how good they are, anything, strictly entertainment value. So, rate these NBA players from 1 to 10 based on how fun they are to watch. First off, Joelle and B. I knew this was coming. I knew he was going to be on this list.

Joel and Bid is at. Point of contention. He's out of six. He's at a lot. What? It depends. Oh, my, you're only saying that because of the files. Stop crying.

Don't file him. You are too big to be flopping like that. Get up. Look up. Get up. Reaching. Get up. Stop reaching. You are here.

You're out here. You're not too big to be moving like that. Acting like somebody 6'3 pushing you around. Stand up. I hear you. I see you. I counter with grow the fuck up. No.

I think people are crying about fouls. It depends on the night. If it's the night like last night where he was scoring 70, 10 out of 10, 11 out of 10. If it's a random Tuesday in Indiana when he's doing all this flopping, I'm turning that off. Listen, man, get your defensive stance up. defensive discipline up it's not my fault you don't have the skill to go ahead and move your feet and be total to toe with me he's 10 yeah i'll give i'll give him uh i'll give him an eight i think understand the foul baiting stuff if people don't like it grow the fuck up we're winning one of the

greatest seasons of all time one of the best scoring seasons we're ever going to see sometimes one of the most skilled big man of all time it's incredible to watch if you're not a pussy 10 i'll give an eight hot ball next up step kirk 10 out of 10 10 10 out of 10 he is one of the five most fun players to watch in history. I would say three. Fuck it. Let's push that. History. He's like that. He's one of the most unique players in NBA history. You will never, ever, ever

see a player as good as him played the way that he does. Producing a kill, put the jersey on. Put the Steph Curry jersey on. Love that. Yeah, normally, our normal year, totality of his career, I'd agree with you. 10 out of 10. I'm going to 2 at 10 right now because watching him this year means I have to watch the Golden State Warriors who are like,

They're 13 C right now. They're pitiful. Nobody besides him knows how to trouble the basketball. He's in hell trying to go against the whole team every night. It's awful hoops to watch as somebody who likes watching step curve.

You see? I don't know why you do it and watch highlights. Yeah, exactly. I don't know why you do that to yourself, bro. Just go ahead, type up Steph Curry highlights and you're good, bro.

I love the game too much. I got to watch all four quarters and I don't like it anytime I do it. I'm not watching Dario Sarich, bro. I'm sorry. I've seen so many Dario Sarich picking rolls. You have no white.

But he's kind of nice, though. No key. I've seen so many Cory Joseph minutes. I'm scarred. Okay, that's okay. You're right about that. I'm in hell.

Two out of ten. Damn. Next up. John Morant. The Gen Z. People's champion. He is must see TV. A must see Instagram.

From the post game interviews. 10 out of 10. For the post interviews to the gritty that he popularized last year. Mo. Do the gritty right now. I can't do the gritty. That's one move I haven't mastered in my bag. You got to show me how to do it.

Show me how to do it on stream. Can you do the touch? Monday, 8 p.m. Isaac, leave me alone. God. There's never been an easier 10 out of 10 than John Moran. We don't even got to say anything. He's John Moran.

The posterizers, come on now. What are we talking about? His unsuccessful posterizers are more entertaining than most people's entire highlight reel. That's so fax. That's true. it's ridiculous all right next up

Devin Booker his game is so methodical he kind of been cooking this year he's great to watch especially now he's been cooking over the last passing yeah he's been cooking over the last few years I want to say

this a 10 I think he has like a 6 out of 10 highlight real when you watch full games and see him impact every play and do all the footwork he does do all the awful movement he does do the passing all the three level scoring

then it's like a 9 he really impacts the game from every level yeah that's fair that yeah i can give it that we'll go nine he's a textbook bucket getter bro the elevation that he got on get on his j is smooth as hell he's a 10 to me

unless you're watching him in a close out game then he goes down to like a two because he shoots oh okay okay okay okay okay we don't talk about that on that side joellen beat allegations are around the corner i'll say that no that's crazy there you go there you get the hate off i've seen him play the mabs to play out twice embrace hate

I've seen what Luca Donchis does to him But I also saw I'm not missing shot Going against the Denver Nuggets just last year So that was two games What happened the other games It happened Tell me what happened in game three What happened

I'll tell me what happened I'll tell me what having game two first We're going to go band for ban On good and bad games Facts exactly It's never ending Alright next up Jason Tatum

Listen, for the first 46 minutes... His face looks so big in the picture. Yeah, it's crazy. For the first 46 minutes of a game, 10 out of 10. For the last two minutes, two out of 10. He can't close... So that nets out to about four or five. Sounds about right.

Yeah, I'll give him like an eight on a normal circumstance. Playing the Miami Heat, zero. So I'll give him a six overall. Yeah, the game is nice to see, but the amount of stepbacks, reckless shots. It's like, come on, man. a good point. He's very aesthetically pleasing except for the fact that he refused to drive to the rim. Sounds like you're calling him sexy.

Aesthetically pleasing. Oh, my God. He's fun to watch until you realize he refuses the drive to the rim. So it's like so frustrating. It ruins the fun to some extent. Yeah. That's a little bit too nerdy for me. I just think that like the stepbacks are

the stepbacks are like, they're cool, but sometimes they don't go in. So it doesn't get fun. And no one talks about it like that, but his jump shot form does not look great at all. It's like these. Yeah. It's coming from the side. It's not that nice. I'll give him a good, I'll give him a seven. He's, yeah. Five for me. Six. Okay. Next up,

Janus Antenacupo. This man is a 10. We've never seen something like this before. Seven foot running like that, jumping like that, being that ferocious consistently, he's a 10. Bro, I'm so glad he won his ring so we could end the dumb ass, no bag talk. This man is incredible to watch. The fact that I've seen him dunk with his feet on

the ground multiple times over the years incredible i think you are confused and you think oh my god i think you are i think that you think that people say that he's not good i don't say that he's not good i just say that he doesn't have a bag which it's kind of like i don't give a fuck watching him dunk is so fun exactly a lot of people say that combine if you want to see somebody run run fast and jump he has no bag do a hesy tweet right let me let me see it you say let me see it let me say it let me Let me see the triple package. You can say he runs half-back dive every play. I get it.

I like watching Derek Henry, too. I'm giving him a 10. Ooh, I'm with you. 10 on 10. All right, next up. Donovan Mitchell. He's so underrated. He's a 10 too.

Damn, I'm just saying 10 to everybody. You're munching. You're munching. Yeah. But he's not. He's like, Donald Mitz is like a seven. Sometimes, sometimes he gets out of,

you know out of character he thinks he's a little bit he thinks he's superman sometimes he's not really he thinks he's spite a man that's in mind playoff donva mitchell doesn't know to miss a shot he gets on jamaul murray mode and just it's everything unless he's what playing the new york nix of course oh my course okay there we go whatever man that was fun no i think that was fun yeah that was fun watching him oh my god that's a 10 out of 10 for me oh god you're gross he's a 10 bro he's a 10 bro he's a high flyer and he can shoot on his system basis and he's so fucking explosive

he's a time he sees this in his life he's underrated athleticism for sure in his dreams no definitely underrated athleticism he wakes up and says Britson no oh James Mitchell

This picture is still crazy. I don't know why. The muck shots are terrible this year. Next up. I said muck shots. I know what you meant, I'm glad you did it on a white player, not a black player. Not racist anymore. Thank God.

Dugate allegations. That would have been crazy. If John Moran was up there And he's like, man, The Muxat's going crazy So what did you say? What did you say? Last and not least.

Luca Donchich He's a He's like a nine. He's like a nine for me. Yeah, not a 10 out of 10. He had some moments where vibes don't look too good. He looks kind of pouty.

But all the other times the way he plays basketball amazing so yeah exactly when it's a live ball and he's scoring or passing 10 out 10 when it's not and he's complaining to the ref about anything that happens to him that isn't completely positive it plummets to be honest with you I want to give Luca a seven because seven that's pretty low yeah but the the whining maybe I should bump it up to eight actually because the passing is outrageous he makes passes that I've only seen Like, and I only know four people have the capability up to do that in NBA history. And that's insane to say out loud.

But it's true. But he do be powdered. But he do be fouled it. He is a powder. I'll give him that. I'll go nine. He's Luca Donchage. He's incredible.

The best guard in the league at this point. I'll give him a good nine. What? Best guarding the league. Pretty easily. Okay. Easily is a little bit tough. You don't believe it.

It's also the truth. Easily is kind of water. Curry. Do you hear that? Steph Curry. Nobody believe in you What are you prepared to do? That's the last one

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You're not, you're not free You're not, you're digging your own way got our iron. If people were still here, you should comment, Mo can't sit in the chair. Yeah. Let's see that in the chat. No one.

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