The Deep 3 Podcast - We Power Ranked Every NBA Team | Ep. 116

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

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So if you guys have been paying attention for the last few weeks, you may have not have noticed. My background is a little different. It looks pretty similar, but it's slightly different. If you look today, Donovan's background is a little bit different. If you look at Mo, his background is a little bit different. We zoom them all out. Here we are in the same room. I'm being held captive. Help! We were back for another first, I think first in-person show of the season. We did the live stream at NBA opening night, but this is the first episode in person that's true yeah special moment in the special room it is an interesting one because as you guys see this isn't the same room a few weeks ago i don't know what you really noticed i

mentioned it on a community post but i moved i no longer live in los angeles we're here my new home in chicago what and now's it's a given time to announce as any pretty soon this is going to be our full-time set up we are in the process of moving to being in-person full-time and this will be the official td3 studio you know this will be the setup in my basement yeah the new home of the show demons home we're here we're here you know block now that's not me that's not me so I said we're in the process I live here now is we're recording from don't live here yet what we're going to do is starting today every four episodes once a month we're going to be here they're going to fly in every single month and then by the time

the playoff start the beginning of April we're going to be in person full time so you know it's out there people know now you have an official timer you have to live in Chicago by April oh we was going to do that anyway No backing out now. The people know. Yep. Here we are. Yeah, man.

Finally going to be in person full time. It feels like it's been so long. We want to do this like a year and a half. It's finally happening. Three seasons in? Yeah. We're on a third season now. That's crazy.

Technically. Yeah. Is this our breakout season, might I say? M. My piece? Oh. What happened to narratives? I hate it.

Yeah, man. Same show. But in person all the time starting in the playoffs. It's going to be great, man. I don't got to deal with Wi-Fi. I don't got to do it with y'all putting your files every night. It's going to be, it's going to be special. We've been cooked so many times because of trench Wi-Fi. It's not the case anymore. We have finally made it out. We had to pull,

like collectively pull people out of the trenches. Now we're here. People. You know, I'm, I'm polite. This sounds real directed. He's living in a best neighborhood either. To whom we make concern. Yeah, man. Outside of the announcement of moving in person, outside of seeing the studio for the time, which also isn't complete. It looks completely. There's a few more things. So by the time you guys see this in December, when they come back for the next in-person show, it's going level up a little bit visually. All right, I don't care anymore. Can we just talk about basketball? There we go. As you guys see by the title, we are spending this episode to do the first power rankings of the season. Every team's played about 15 games, so it's like decent sample

size. But yeah, man, we're going to take a nice 30-team gauge of who we think are the best teams in the NBA right now, who are the goddamn stinkers and rank them all one through 30. Oh, yes. Let's do it. It's been a minute since you did a list. I'm ready to just get to it. Yeah. What do you guys?

So what's the criteria for this list? Let's go ahead and explain that very up prime, very clearly. I think we all operate at the same criteria. But every time we say that, it still gets fucking muddied and we still all look at it differently. I don't think we all operate on the same criteria. No. You think so. I have certain things that I value a little bit more than me.

I think me and Don operate the same criteria and then you go solo. Nah, that's what you say, but really to speak, I'm just like, I think there's certain things are I value like in present time but then also I'm like okay you're not really that guy or you are really that guy you're just not showing it right now so yeah I think I think for this one I tried to give I tried to give credit to people who who are playing well because even though that I know that like once we get to the playoffs they're probably they're not going to be there or they're not going to be playing the way that they are right now but there's that's kind of like my tiebreaker which is like if the season ended today we have the we have the standing you guys go

into the playoffs who's winning who do i think is best fit to survive the season to survive the playoffs that's kind of where my mindset was and so there's some there's some people where also listen at the bottom you might have had a couple couple nice games i'd see you for the fraud that you are so i'm just going to put you at the bottom yeah but that's kind of it yeah see this thing is it has to be representative of the 15 games have happened so far no preconceived notions no projecting but you also don't want to just regurgitate the standings it's not going to be like just putting an order who has most wins so you got to apply some context and who you think is better you know strength of schedule underlying statistics context injuries whatever may be but i definitely want to represent

like just these 15 games yeah so there's some teams that are really high like top six seven that if we do this in 40 games or now i don't think they're going to be there but they've earned the right to be there now just based on the sample size we have exactly yeah for sure but then also i'm projecting it's a little bit because i'm just like i know that's not it started it's starting you see you see them disclaimer exactly uh Okay, well, if you guys are watching YouTube, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe, audio platforms, leave us a five-star rating, leave a review, check out all the social, check out all the merch, everything else.

And let's jump straight into it. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. So every time we do a ranking, I never care that much about the graphic in terms of order that the numbers are

and there's always comments asking me to do it in the reverse the way I always do because I start at the top it would be like one, two, three, four, five going down. People are constantly begging us to start from the big number and go down. So we're finally doing that. We're giving you guys the graphic design principles

you seek. Anyway, let's jump straight into top 30. You had this look on your face. Who care? I guess. It's weird now because now the best team is going to be at the bottom of the screen.

Which is my rationale too. why I thought one made sense but apparently a lot of people care there's a ton of comments every single list and listen they're the ones watching so I'll give it to you know y'all got it I'm not I'm not losing any sleep so let's see I would have preferred everything at the bottom like how you usually do and it's start out from bottom towards the top naturally but if they want to look at like that okay yeah by all means go for it yeah so revealing the top the first five now as you guys know we start from 30 and do blocks of five going down my list is up first I have at number 30 the Philadelphia 76ers

Worst team in the league right now 29 the Utah Jazz 28 the Washington Wizards 27 the Toronto Raptors and 26 the New Orleans Pelicans Mm hmm Not okay not bad

First thing I would say The pelicans feel a little high A little high Look who's they're ahead of I understand The teams all have two or three wins I understand but like I don't know

I get I don't really have the pelicans Too too high But you know they just signed Alfred Payton like two days ago. In 2024. God hates them. And it hates all their fans. In 2024 their top seven players are all injured. And I guess that's the tiebreaker is

the 14s below them just like suck balls on purpose. Not on purpose. Suck balls like on their own accord on their own merit. Yeah. And the pelicans are destroyed by injuries, which I'm not. You can say that for Philly. Paul George and B have been back for three games and they have looked exactly 0% better. So that's why I decided.

Well, Joe NB. B looks better. You job like 30 or 35 or something like that. So he played well. But he also. And have the team look. How the team look. This is a Juana Bid ranking. This is a Philadelphia 7th century ranking. I mean, Paul George just got hurt again last night.

Tyrese Maxi. They've played six minutes together as a big three. And again, I was saying, I'm not saying the Pelicans of this are higher because of the injuries, but, okay,

they've looked decent-ish despite insane injuries, whereas the teams below them. Obviously, I don't got to explain Toronto, Washington or Utah. Yeah. They're all the same both together. They're terrible.

They're just worse while being moderately healthy. Okay, Philly, I put them there, I'm mostly at a spite. Yeah, I know. That's the elephant in the room. But before I did that, they were 28. So, like, I put them there last night down to 30 because they just pissed me off once more, losing again.

We're going to Thursday. So I'm talking about Wednesday when they lost and Paul George are injured again. Yeah. But they're horrible. They're 2 and 12. Like, I just, I factored in the limited expectations and how much I hate them right now. But they're truly terrible. Paul George has looked truly terrible.

You can't get by anybody. That knee was clearly bothering him. And I was injured again. Joel and Beat took a while to come back just had a good scoring game hasn't looked super impactful hasn't looked at Jewel and Bede we know it's because of the injury recovery

but he hasn't been playing well at all their roster around them are geriatrics that Nick Nurse has to play because they're trying to win games and stay afloat and it's a bunch of Eric Gordon a bunch of terrible Andre Drumming minutes nothing looks good on that team Eric Gordon the only reason to rank them higher

is because you like them before the season started and that's really it it's so incredibly hard to come back from what are they two and twelve two and twelve two and twelve they're absolutely terrible they are they are like officially at the bottom of the conference right now yes i understand that wholeheartedly and i understand what you're saying in terms of like everybody on the roster except for jared mccain shout out of mcane i should have put them higher because of jerry mccain you're right yeah yeah for sure absolutely but everyone else literally sucks and we were over here i remember me specifically over here talking

about how I love every single offseason acquisition and the Andre Jones of the world like you said, Caleb Barnes of the world, Kelly Uber is playing insane hero ball like there's nothing has been working outside of Jared McCain. Now, I think naturally as time goes on, they have to get better at the more Julian B, Jeremy McCain and Tyrese Max gets together. Now, I think overall my long-term expectation for them shambles, but I don't think they're literally the 30th best team in the NBA. Statistically, sure, but there's more to that.

Yeah, yeah, that's very, that's very. Here's the thing, if you have, if you have the Sixers higher than 26, you are projecting massively. And that's not the point of list. Yeah, because there is, they do belong in this range right now. Because for everything we've said, like, whether it be because of injuries, whether it be because, whether it be because of just the way people are playing at the current time, they don't have a lot of wins. And the East, the East is not a good conference. It's, it's like a couple good teams and everybody else is either at 500 or under 500. And if you can't get wins in that conference, playing that schedule, you are truly trash.

Again, the point of the list, doing a prior ranking is you look at what's happened so far. For tiebreakers, you apply a little bit of context and do things. But if you put them any higher than 26, then you're just not showing respect to the sample size we have because there's no way in fuck. They can be anywhere close to the top 20. Exactly. Okay. They're absolutely horrible.

That's hilarious. I can see that, though. Okay, we're going to go the next ones. We'll go relatively quickly through this bottom five. who's next up we got mo okay so at 30 i have the utah jazz 28 washington portland

29 watching 28 portland 27 Toronto 26 Chicago okay Chicago's been better than this I think I think I don't like Chicago they don't they don't deserve that it's Chicago I mean they're entertaining

they're entertaining bare minimum I know I know what it is I know what it is with Chicago when you watch them you have to be locked in on what Josh Gidey's doing because he's not he because he's not playing well right and you know to be nice and if he is your entire like representative then yes you probably all one of like the five worst teams they're better than this see I'm looking I'm locking on the wrong player you're probably right they maybe are a little bit better than this tier above cool

barely though barely we're not going to we're not going to wear mainly I'm looking at Patrick Williams and how sad I am about him I could look at the Toronto Raptors and the Chicago wasn't like wow bro like look exactly being people are reminding he's reminding everyone that he's like an all-star S type of player yeah Vucci man Nicole Vuccivich having one of the best seasons in like the last four or five years personally for now he's having by far like sufficient year of his career like he's dominating inside he's shooting extremely well from the three point line he was non-existent like useless as possible from the three point line last year and With all that being said, I still have them at 26 because when I see this product, it's still cooked.

It's entertaining to see some of the vets still playing with how they are. But at the same time, too, I'm just like, you're not really doing too much. Yeah. Enough for me to move you higher. That's fair. I mean, like Portland, 28, again, we all came into the season thinking Portland sucks, and they're not going to be good long term. They've been playing better than some of these teams above them. They've been winning games.

Klinging looks really good. Shaden Sharp came in and have a score and punch right away. We're not going to talk about Skoo Henderson, but I don't feel good about it. it but they've been their vets and clinging have been performing well enough that they're not 28 right now yeah i think shit okay i think but again i'm not going to war for portland okay i'm right i don't i don't hate i don't actually beat my hawks the other day oh i hate this the defense has been better that's what they've tried to hang their head on shout out cling clinging had a game the other day with eight blocks like he's he's so good he's out here and it's so

It's so nice because as soon as he got drafted, you completely understood like, okay, DeAndre Aden is out of there. Like, he's not, he's not going to be there and you have your center of the future. And so for Portland, seeing Klingin be this good this early is exactly what you want to see because now you have flexibility. And the fact that you have Klingin there, the fact that you are Robwell, you can go further into your tank and still have your two guys. Like, again, Shaden Sharp has been playing well. You can have him in the back court. Klingin is good. and now you can continue to accumulate assets.

Go ahead, fire Chauncey, get a real head coach in there. And you can be on the path to somewhat successful in the next couple of years having that kind of defensive infrastructure with Klingin. I like that. Washington, I want to put Washington higher because the first five games, I was like, wow, I'm like loving this Washington tank experience. And then Kyle Kuzman came back from injury. And everything crashed and burned because he is. taking his 25 shots a night, getting his numbers trying to keep getting paid and beat Kyle Kuzwa

and Balakula bowling went from averaging 20 points a game looking like a breakout guy to do a whole lot of this in the corner while Kyle Kuzva dribbles and it's a horrible experience. They need to trade those veterans tomorrow as soon as they can, December 15th, whatever the number is for each a veteran, ship them anywhere else besides Washington

so we can get back to seeing the young guys cook. Yeah, I agree. Things need to be re-aligned, similar to Toronto. They actually have a very respectable tank year because you see the process starting to form, the roots are starting to be built, and then they went away from that.

They're having the best tank year of all time, I think. They have like seven losses where they're leading for most of the game and losing crunch time. That's precisely what you want to see from a tanking team. Three quarters of hooping, building good habits,

and then losing it all in the end because of Damara Rosen or whatever goes clutch on you. That's perfect for a tanking team. With some sprinkles of hope for the future. Exactly. That's what you mean. O'Shea-Baji looks like one of the best

up-and-coming three-inded wings in the league. RJ Barrett's passing well Grady Dick I think Gray Dick's going to be like Maybe not an all star But like Can he be CJ McCollum I was thinking like

Bull John Vodanovitch On the Brooklyn That's the dude who don't play no more Bowion? Boion, yeah The dude who don't play no He's like that level of good Yeah he has some Utah years

He average 20 No I think can be better than Boion actually I think Maybe a little bit better He has some like all star tendencies Like his floor right now is like what Tyler He was doing this year I think

Who's like not an all star But like high level role player Just below all star sub-all-star level, Gray-Dick is going to be that, I think. Borderline potential All-Star. Exactly. That's the line, yeah.

One of the best role guys, one of the best scores, that's not good enough to be an All-Star, and every year the crazy fans in Toronto are going to be clamoring for him trying to give his recognition. Yeah. That's going to be great a dick pretty soon.

I like that. Yeah, I agree. Let's see Donovan. I have, I have the Pelicans at 30, I have the Jazz at 29. I have Washington at 28, Philly at 27, Toronto at 26.

Yeah. Why are the Pelicans solo? 30. They have nobody. Okay. They have nobody. They are like, I think their ranking for me is 100% the 15 game sample size. So it's like, you guys don't have a legitimate NBA roster right now.

Who's out right now for them? Everybody. Everybody. Every player you could think of that's good on that team is out. Is that I'm playing? Nope. Cedemacon. No.

No. Herb Jones. No. No. Tray Murphy. No. No. Don't what he's not.

Jose Alvarado is out. Like, that's six players. There's a seventh one too. I'm forgetting who. it is they're missing their top seven guys i can't i can't who i'm blanking out on uh yeah i'm blank i can't i can't i can't remember i can't that's tough but yeah so they don't they don't have NBA caliber now i'm not gonna say that but they don't have like a real rainier's out too yes damn that's so he might be back down i don't think his was super long term that's so yes that's why

i have them at at 30 uh but utah 29 yeah Washington 28 we've already seen that philly i'm gonna give them a little bit of grace because yes they do suck but maxi maxi coming back like they still have things that they can look forward to yeah to where at the what by christmas if people come back maybe by by you know new year all-star break they can be in the the race for the play in they could be you know easily trying to try to try to fight for the for the 10 seat so i think that they can be there and then Toronto for everything that you said they play well for it they play well And it's just 12 minutes a game where they're, you know, getting dusted. But you watch them and it's not a bad experience.

They are one of the, you know, the better bad teams in the league. And if like they also have stuff, you know, to look forward to. So I like, I like Toronto. They're not bad. And so, yeah, I'm putting them at 26. Okay. Man, Philly is so terrible. We're going to do this halfway through this season.

And then before the playoffs start, we do three-power rankings a year. I can guarantee you Philly is going to be in the top 20 by halfway season one. Most definitely. right now like they are so embarrassing but like this can change in a week the three straight wins we're not ranking they're back in and then boom they're back in the mix sure but we're ranking and it's what we've seen so far just this year that's the power ranking and what we've seen is not pretty at all we're already getting leaks from inside the camp we're already getting podcast episodes about leaks inside the camp it's not it's not a it's not a good situation

nicknors is out here in press conference saying like yeah you know this team is not tough they don't they don't have a lot of effort like none of this is positive and it's a complete it's a it's a complete 180 from where we were 15 games into the season last year with philly and while we you know i was low on philly because i didn't believe that mb could stay healthy i couldn't i didn't believe that paul george could stay healthy i didn't think it was going to be like this two and twelve is crazy two two and twelve is ridiculous that they are in the conversation to be you know eligible for the number one pick and that's wow yeah shout out cooper flag him jeremy can and max are going to look great when they trade those old guys yep that's tough

do they even have their pick this year that they do let's go the next one top 25 donovan who was your 25 through 21 at 25 i have the portland trailblazers 24 i have the san antonian spurs at 23 i have the milwaukee bucks 22 i have the charlotte hornets and at 21 the chicago bulls can you believe we're ranking the philadelphia 76ers in the bottom five and the books in the bottom 10, how the mighty have fallen. Not even mighty. How they theoretically mighty have fallen? Oh, my.

Not even for Milwaukee. They weren't championship level last year. They still won games. They were 50 games or something like that. Yeah. And we knew, we knew whenever they fired Adrian Griffin, like, yes, you guys are third in the east. Yes, you guys are winning games. But the way in which you guys are playing, that style is not sustainable to win the championship.

So that's why you have to get out of here. two see when they fired Adrian Griffin? Probably. Probably and so it's not even theoretical they were a solid team and now we can't like we can't see anything from them and I watched them and like yeah they've gotten you know a couple a couple wins under their belt it's so discouraging though I bring them a little bit hard you did though I won't spoil where it is but they're better than the record states I think I think it's been really disastrous and especially the games I miss Dame and even because they had Dame for those first five games piss poor they've lost a lot of really close games in the same way like that the mavericks have

that once the sample size evens out like all their underlying statistics they're net rating all their individual offense defensive ratings i think they're better than the record indicates and when we get to that point i have no problem yeah doing that but i also think that especially if you have dame and yannis i'm again i'm not i'm not even talking about a championship ceiling you should be able to go into the eastern conference and you shouldn't be losing games like this Now, to their, in their defense, they've lost some games that they 100% should not have lost to. And it wasn't their fault. It was because of officiating.

It's because of foul calls. And they've had game winners on, you know, hit on them. So, fine. But it's still not a great situation. Why are they below Chicago? Chicago's 6 and 10. No, I'm predicting. Listen, I'm predicting.

They're just, Chicago, I had such low expectations for them. And I watched them. And I'm like, okay, like, you guys aren't bad. Like, it's fine. You're six and ten. Yeah. And that's, that's okay. Charlotte's five and nine, by the way.

I would, I'm looking at this. I would actually take Charlotte over in Chicago. I would flip that. But I don't care about that. I think about Milwaukee should probably be about both of them. Oh, no, I don't care about that. No, no, I think I, yeah. I mean, when I, I don't know, because when I look at Charlotte and I look at Chicago,

I'm like, they're playing, like, good basketball and they're setting up, they're trying to set up their best players in the best situation. I don't know about Charlotte just a little bit because there's a little weird things going on in that camp right now but it's just Milwaukee like they've had a lot like you said I do they had a lot of sloppy wins and they're consistently fighting for their life no matter what the scenario is whether it be

whether it be Dame or Janice is on the court or one of them are on the court or whatever it is like they're just not playing consistent basketball on any level and as for like it seemed like the Charlotte Hornets I think you're perfectly fine putting in there because they are trying to maximize certain things. Now, I will say, like, they're coach a little weird in terms of how he is trying to progress Brandon Miller.

He hasn't been, he hasn't led up to expectations at all, but, and it looks like it's not up to his decision or anything like that. It's just the position that he's being put into. You know, I think he's taking a lot less mid-range shots in terms of catch-and-shoot numbers, too. He's taken a lot more of those. He's not necessarily a catch-sute player. He's someone who needs rhythm off the dribble in order, you know,

get his shit off and he hasn't been able to do that just yet well you know what tree he's from he's from he's from the you know from the boston trees from the the muslima school yeah and i think ramos you try making threes i think that'd be nice it would it would be i think you should make your shots that'd be lovely it would be nice but that's the yeah that's kind of the the influence with him but you see you see charlie and like they play hard i like watching them play it i think that they they compete and i i don't mind this is such a dirt so i i feel like from what you guys both to describe this is simply like expectations for both teams we're talking about charlotte they play hard they put the grass position to succeed Milwaukee's struggling they're they just beat charlotte

and they just had a good win over the rocket's like their version of struggling is still better than charlotte's version of getting it out of the mud like there's still the better team even though we expected more from Milwaukee they beat charlotte but they're fighting for that goddamn life to go ahead and beat charlotte dude actually no i think charlotte beat them oh you right no charlie no and that and that was one of like that that was the that was the game they they probably yeah they that charlotte should have lost that game you're right they didn't so i can agree with the charlotte beat them and the next day they beat the rockets by one point because sang goon dropped the ball going out of pass so it's like bro these type of wins are nasty they're not playing like respectable organized basketball it just feels like

ymc a ball like i'm walking into daily fitness and i see super talented dudes but these dudes are not on the same page whatsoever. Charlotte and Chicago, Milwaukee over the last six games has been defending really well given that. Their defensive rating has been top five the last six games, which is I would say their biggest problem, but it's not because their offense also sucks. And over those past six games where they looked a lot better,

their offense has not been good. But they're at least finding an identity and they're defending really well and they actually have a positive net rating over his last six games. For the season, they're like fucking neutral. I think it's like minus negative point three. So they've been like truly mid. But they're rounding into shape more. And I don't think Charlotte or Chicago have positive momentum at all

They haven't really been better over the last five games I like where your ranking is I do have Charlotte lower than Milwaukee Because I'm just looking at Milwaukee I'm just like there's no way this style basketball continues on They've been better as a lay I think they won like two or three straight games So the luck and just natural talent on their way On their roster they're gonna fall into wins So I'm like I know who you are you're not 23rd

You're better than Charlotte Chicago and you're not in this range They haven't shown it they have I just think it's like a little bit of luck calls and like yeah you shouldn't be in that position in the first but they shouldn't again we're comparing them to charlotte and chicago though we're not saying they should be top 10 they're just even better than these shitters who are just worse than them okay my five in 25 to 21 i have the portland trail blitz is at 25 the charlotte hornets at 24 the chicago bulls at 23 the brooklyn nets at 22 and the indiana paces at 21 wow you have

the Indiana Paces at 21. Yeah, because they fucking suck. They are so mid. And before the season, when we did our rankings episode, I had the magic above the Pacers for the week we planned it. And the last day before we recorded, I was like, man, Indiana's coming off of a strong playoff run. They empowered their young guards.

Namhart looked good. Not that he's young, but Tijam O'Connor looked good. He was doing his thing. A year with Siakum and Tyrese to really have a full summer to get on the same page. Tyrese has to get better. He's going to be healthy. surely they'll be better than so and so and so and so they've been none of those things

they have been absolutely outright terrible Tyreys Halliburton has been so bad that people are theorizing that the problem is that when he goes on the road he can't play well because his bed isn't comfortable enough for his back shout out Jackson Frank I love Jackson Frank a lot of my favorite follows on Twitter he's a great writer

they're talking about his back injury that he has now and then Jackson Frank was like makes total sense to me that poor beds on the road lead to poor performance from a guy with a back injury and he might be right. No, he's not. Again, again, he's not wrong at all. But there might be something to that

that it's harder to play on the road whenever you're dealing with an injury. But the fact that he's playing so bad we got to talk about his bed is outrageous. I mean, there should be so many reasons. Do you think that the Pacers are staying at like the Ramada? Like, what are you doing? They're staying in a good hotel.

That's not something I give a fuck about. And it does seem like he has a back injury, which was underreported. He's like putting a back thing on when he's on the sidelines grimacing and that would explain why he's so horrible as a scorer now. But nevertheless, he is absolutely horrible as a score.

They haven't been clicking at all offensively. They're 16th in offensive rating right now. The whole algebra for this team to be competitive was that they're going to be a top three offense like they were early last year, and they're just going to run and gun because, you know, goddamn well, they don't got the defenders to be really great on that end.

And they've done nothing well. They're so bad. Miles Turner, I was going to say she'd be on fraud watch, but I don't think there's a watch. His stats are so fake. I think he needs to be fraud stamped. I think he's a stamp, like just right there, like it's clear as day.

he used to be such a good shot blocker and was talked about as one of the most underrated defenders in the league he is so easy to dominate for these other big men that have a little bit of strength Alperin Sengoon destroyed him the other day just putting his shoulder in his chest

and dominating him down low the Pacers are 29th and offense rebound percentage they are I think they're the 29th best rebounding team in general yeah they're so bad they're 26th in foul rate

so they foul a lot they don't get offensive rebounds they're 26th and rim volume allowed so if you want to drive to that rim you're going to get there every goddamn time miles turner is not stopping you can't you probably can't just put your put your shoulder down put it in them hard chest okay yeah there's 16th in offense and 25th in defense and they're 27th and three point rate if this team is not going to shoot a lot of threes what are we doing what what was the point of this team what do we yeah because at that point you're actually playing like seventh grade

jv ball yeah where like these guys can't can't take threes and we're just running up and down for cardio in fifth period i yeah the expectation for them i think i was low on them than you guys were because again no shot but like their their run was very like 2021 Atlanta hawksish yeah and so easy but ish god you you really really felt like they could they could at least be in the middle of the of the mix and the fact with a lot of these eastern conference teams i'm so disappointed because all of you guys are trash like the whole The whole conference is wide open. And the fact that teams with talent like Tyrese, like Pascal,

like Benedict Mathrin is hooping. He's getting, he's getting buckets right now. And the fact that you can't capitalize on that and stack up wins like that. Pascal Seacom is hooping his ass off right now. Shooting like 40% from three out like four or five attempts a game. He's wildly efficient. This is one of the best versions of Pascal Seacom that we've witnessed. See, the thing is, and it doesn't matter.

You guys are naming players. The problem was never their scoring. Nobody ever doubted Benedict Mathion's ability to put the, ball in the bucket. Is he passing well? No. Is he rebounding well? No. Is he defending well? No, none of the blame boat like sure belongs on him. It starts and ends with Tyrese Halliborne. When you talk about the Indiana Pacers, it kind of goes. It's not the issue. Benadette and Mathrim is not the issue. No, no. What I'm not saying is I'm not saying they're highlights, people are doing well. Don't fix any of their weaknesses because they're, they have good scores. They're scoring well,

but it's not enough for any of their weaknesses that they need to be covered up with by their best players like even if tyrie's halberra was shooting well they need strong defenders there to hide him because even in his best he's not going to be a good defender and it's great that benix matherin can score his way into being the lineup if he's not going to be a good wing defender it's hard for him to make make them a lot better when they have these deficiencies and see how comes like getting him younger his defense hasn't been particularly impressive yeah but i think what you said earlier about them is correct this whole thing only works yeah if we're if we're getting up threes and if we're making threes and it works a hell of a lot better

if Tyrese Halliburton is shooting 40% from three on high volume rather than 28% from three. And so if that's the key to unlocking the Pacers, we're probably not going to see the Pacers back in the second round. We're probably not going to see them back in the conference finals unless Tyrese resubscribes to his superstar, you know, playstop. Yeah. They're 24th in transition points added. That's not them.

They don't need run well. They don't have an identity. They don't do a single thing more right now. Something that I'll say is that I think they saw all the commotion going on last year. Oh my gosh. Like you guys are on the same insane run, but the style of basketball will not last. And it proved to do that once they went ahead and faced against the boss and so they got ran out the building. And I think Rick Carlisle felt the pressure like, okay, we got the guys, got Tyreys Halliburton, another score who can slow things down and be better in the half court and all that.

Great. And I think he ran way too far away from what made them special as a team. And I get it, I understand it, but at the same time, so you have to put what you have in front of you, which is Tyrese Halliborne, in the best situation possible. And all these other players, too, the Obie Toppins of the world and all that. They just don't have a lot of good defenders in their team. Their most used lineup, so far the season is Halliburton, Ben Shepard, Benedict Matherin, Seaccom, and Turner. How many good defenders in that lineup? Miles Turner is not a good defender anymore.

Yeah. Seacom is fine defender. He's not as impactful as he once was with his bigger offensive role. He's pushing 30. He shouldn't be the best defender on you, too. At all. And not even, he shouldn't be the only

defender on your starting lineup. Like shout out Ben Shepard. I like Ben Shepard a lot. He's not, he's not Caruso. He can't be out of carrying the defense by himself with Siakum. I'm like,

it's just not a good defensive lineup. And it shows. It's a 115 defensive rating and a 116 offensive rating, which is not good. If that's your best lineup, you have a one net rating, you're screwed.

Yeah, they pissed me off. And they're missing the Andrew Nemhards of the world and then... Which is tough. The Aaron Naysisnesnes of the world too. Because he was in... Nate Smith is a big one.

was a big one he was a demon and so they're feeling that their identity just cooked right now yeah and then he naysmith would be their best permanent defender yeah and then he miles turn to figure out to play defense again or they love miles turner so they don't want to get rid of him but i find it hard to believe you're going to win with your one-fiving haliburton miles turner if i was the idea of the pacers i would threaten to confiscate his lego collection if there's anything you have to do something you have to do something you cannot yeah you cannot touch his price possession Let's see Mo's five before you move on. All right.

So my next five are the Brooklyn, that's the 25, 24 of the Spurs, 23, Pelicans, 22, Charlotte, and 21, the Atlanta Hawks. Yes, is where the projection begins with the pelicans are? Yeah, they're bad, but I know Brandi Ingerman and Allend, boys, are just going to get in there and just roll into a few wins. Similar to how you, like, projected the Milwaukee Bucks a little bit higher. Huh? I didn't project with them. Well, they're, like, terrible in it for going with, like, the true spirit of the power rings and they should be like in this range i didn't put them there

because i'm like i know you are a little bit and similar to you like you didn't put them there as well so with the new ones pelicans i'm applying the same concept with them i know they're terrible i don't think they're gonna really make the plan either this year and i think there's no not much like room or space for you to recoup those wins so they're at 23 for me i just think that they're just having such a filler season yeah where it's so it's so hard to actually have a real conversation about this team and about the things that they do because again they don't have their top seven guys the top that's a whole that's the nix whole rotation is seven is seven guys and to not have that available is is wild and so it's very hard

also they can't be above the nets i should put the nets higher that's one thing i feel really bad about right now and i wouldn't say like you projected with them because like you know you'll see an entirely different team. The Bucks have the same record as Brooklyn, Chicago, Charlotte. They all have the same record. So, like, I hardly projected putting them a couple spots higher. They're all pretty much tied. Pelicans, you know, they do have four wins, which is surprising,

given their current roster construction. So shout out them for only having two less wins in Berlin. Any given night. That's nice. A big of winning league, but it's tough. But yeah, you're really like, you haven't seen the team. So, like, it's entirely projection because you haven't seen a single game with a full roster. I mean, I've seen, like, ebbs and, like, snippets of Zion or what he's doing,

which is what five minutes very special necessarily you've seen five minutes I've seen you seen a TikTok edit of Zion season and that's it that's everything there's literally nothing to go off over the pelicans when you're talking about who they can be in the team we haven't did a single minute I see talent on their roster and they're gonna roll there you go on their paper yeah I see talent they're not there but I know in a couple of days from now or whenever you're playing too with them then it's gonna have but also they won't be in a couple days now these are long term injuries they're fuck for a long time oh he's gone for a long time they're all gone for a long time they're all gone for a

yeah but I think they're gonna show as time goes on just a little bit you got no I agree dude and if we're projecting I mean it makes total sense yeah and that's like the premise of my thing which is like okay to keep in mind it's like okay like you're gonna stay talk talk to us about your guys though at 21 the Hawks yeah why you have him so long so their season was cooked just a little bit off the first two two weeks It's up on one and a half weeks or whatever because just primarily injuries. DeAndre Hunter is out. Bogdanovich was out.

Then there were times with Jalen Johnson and out the lineup, too. We're just missing a lot of depth. And when you think about the Hawks, you're like, okay, defense is not going to be that great. But, hey, their offense must be productive. It's currently not. Uh-uh. Yeah, exactly. I think they're like the 16th or 17th best offense in the NBA right now.

And that's just not cutting it for a team that is scarce in terms of, like, real defensive firepower outside of the dice and dangers of the world as much as we love him and he's like one of the best unexpected stories in the entire NBA he's not he's not enough to save this team try young though isn't him specifically he's been struggling shooting the ball in general I think so far this year he's shooting like 38% from the field and 35% from the three point line which is all right but him as a scorer and just simply putting the ball on the basket it feels like he's almost been overtaxed this a little bit because there's so many times where in the half court like he passes the ball to something like jalen johnson and jalen zons is like uh

this is only my like real second year being like the guy i don't know what to do i'm i'm gonna pass it back dear headlights yeah yeah exactly so trade is just struggling on all fronts whether it be in the paint or whether it be just even like pull up like his pull up numbers are atrocious right now i believe yeah it's his inside game is absolutely terrible like the three point shy is at 35 percent cool we've seen him be up and down he has literally for the past four years he went from 39 to 34 to 38 35 he's an up and down three point shooter at his volume you know it's still impactful mid range is really low because that floater range which is short mid yeah 33 percent usually his flutter is a staple of his game he's never going to be good at the rim past three years

54 56 and 53 percent at the rim he's a small guard that's bad that's like fred van fleet numbers but look at his fucking frame he's never going to be finishing through contact he makes out for it normally because his Florida range is impeccable, 47% and 46%. This year is 33%. He has not had that touch inside. Maybe like you're saying, the offensive scheme

hasn't been super good because they've been missing Bogdan Bogdanovich and so I've been saying in the past few weeks, they need him healthy. If Bogna's not there, they have like zero other guys

that can dribble. And as great as Tray Young is, only person that can succeed in that scenario where you have one guy who can dribble and nobody else, it's like Luca Donches

because he's huge and can finish through and around defenders. Treyang has physical limitations that if you throw double teams in him, That's always been a way to slow him down. We've seen playoff classes over the years.

Remember when Miami, he just doubled a shit out of him on picking rolls and blitzed him. He's small. He has certain limitations that you can't overcome. And you're seeing that. Their roster just makes it

really a really difficult for him. And DeAndre Hunter, he's really our second best offensive player in terms of just like putting the ball in the basket and scoring, but he's consistent like in and out. That's an embarrassing sentence,

by the way. Exactly. That DeAndre Hunter is your second best offensive player. Fucking kill me. Yeah, I know. That's just where we are. He should do well.

In terms of putting the ball in the basket, that's where he are. He's not our second best player, but in terms of putting the ball in a basket, that's what he is. And for him to be like consistently in and out as well, just kills consistent hope. Now, I will say I like this team still because we're playing. We actually have a vision and we're like doing productive things. That's the first time I've been able to say that in like three years. Okay.

What's the goal right now for the Hawks? So let's say they stay around this midpoint by the deadline. Are they trying to do like a quasi rebuild? Like would they make a trade for a guy to be a little better? Or are they trying to, like, tank for a year? I think right now the biggest thing for them is that they need to figure out their center position because Clint Capellas is simply not cutting it. He's top 10 in the entire NBA in terms of touches in the paint.

And he's by far in a way the most or second most inefficient big. So it's like he's the issue. He's not going to be a great rim protector or paint protector, whatever you want to call it. Just a useful defender, it's all cooked. There's only so many defensive liabilities that we can have. on this team and if he's going to be like if he's going to have stone hands in the paint while also just like letting guys do their thing or whatever run around him it's tough when you get rid of you and then that also like goes back to yaku kongun when we were talking about him i think

on td3 tuesdays last live stream 6 p.m eastern time tune in to see me slander on yka he was not that guy and so when you have those two cold soers on your team you say cold sores yeah it's like it's there like i like i like the infrastructure of this team but that that's not a light nice that's not a nice look at all yeah yeah on yikers is not to save your position that it seemed like he could be he could be again so far i'm not i've never been out on him because the the vision of what he looks like he could be is so high that i want to see it happen one day. I want to see him be this very mobile. Listen, I'm a Hawks fan. You can be a switching defender that can be a guy who can switch on the perimeter and still give you good vertical rent protection

at the rim, be a good passing hub, have some ability to take the ball off the dribble, all this stuff that you expect from an undersized big. He's not that good at anything. I'm here to pull you out of the trenches. It's okay. There's always, it's always players that people fall in love with early. Yeah. And you don't even fall in love with the player. You fall in love with the idea of the player. exactly and once you start getting into it's once you start getting into like year five and year six it's very rare that you see people completely like morph and turn into that specific player and also the fact that like the hawks

have been needing a player like him it's not it's not like he's just been you know miscast and done all this stuff he has been in a position where they need the skills that that a player like him should have and he hasn't stepped up It's like, how hard is it to surpass someone like Klingapela in the starting lineup? The keys are right there. It's been given to him, thrown to him to the point to where Quinn Sider last year made him start to shoot like a little bit more three than he's been doing. He's been pulling consistently every game. And when I saw it, I'm like, oh my God, like if he can let alone do that on a slightly above average level, 33, 32% starting center.

He can't even do that on the consistent basis. You can't surpass Klincapella offensively? What do you get 27? 23% for the year right now. Yeah. Yeah, you can't even do that at an okay level. Could Capella? I can name 40 bigs offensively

is better than him. You can't do that? All right, let's move on before we give Mo an aneurysm. Let's move on to the top 20, 20 through 16. Mo, you're up first. Who do you got? At number 20, I have the Detroit Pistons.

19, Philly. 18. I have the Indiana Pacers. 19. 19. I can't. I can't. 17, I got Miami

16. I'm so sorry. I keep seeing these lists and every time I'm just like, man, man. And I'm like,

I'm trying to be respect for you. I tried to do, but I saw Philly in 19. Yeah. The fuck are we doing? Yeah. Philly. Not my bad.

I believe in you guys to a certain extent. Now, if I, if there was no Jared McCain in existence, then I bet. Yeah. Like, but these other 29, 30.

34 get them off the list in general Jeremy McCain's there his TikToks very entertaining as late A lot of worry for that man The vlogs you tune on to those Very good Very good

His editors and his old team Amazing Let alone with that I think 19 suits him at a great place Joel Embed Had the best game of the season so far Okay so we're going off of one game of Joel and Bid

Jeremy Kaine TikToks And really just Jeremy McCain for if I was a Pistons fan I would fucking D-Dosh you why because you put the two and twelve Philadelphia savings signatures above my up-and-coming promising Detroit Pistons who won seven games I love the Detroit Pistons 300% of the wins of the Philadelphia's 300% is hilarious I love the Pistons I love what they're doing this is no disrespect 350% actually it's it's actually massive disrespect no no no no it just is the sixers are in whatever context that that you want to say whether projecting or not

they're a bad basketball team right now and the fact that somebody who is a game under five or two games under 500 like the pistons are in the same one two below the below the sixes who we said before have all the drama on the core off the core all that stuff that's that's that's a that's a bit much it's a 60 versus the 15 seed and scene doesn't matter much right now but yeah again it's just the difference of projection which is not projection but even i don't even think at this point you can project philadelphia to be 19th i think Even that, if we're playing your game. No, definitely. Don't put words in my mouth. I definitely do think they're going to eventually be 19th. No, no. Now, will it be like next week or two weeks from now? No, I think my goal was like, okay, I want this list to last at least like three weeks or so.

And I think once time goes on, eventually, hopefully it will be close to that range. Okay, so in three, in three weeks, we can come back to this and we can check in on Philly. And if Philly is not the 19th best team in the league, we're flaming you. Don't man, 19, 20. Can you be around that range? Could you be as good as the Detroit Pistons? No. I hope so.

I wish. I want to see them thrive. They're not the Pistons. Oh, okay. Exactly. Exactly. That's the crazy part is that I can say a sentence like that. And it's funny, but it's kind of, it's real.

Like, they're just not a good, they're not as good of a basketball team as the Pistons. Especially with Paul George can hurt again. Like, there's no finalized. All George being hurt in my mind makes them a better team at this point. That's how bad he's been so. Eric. Gordon is going to play there instead. Listen, man.

If there's anything that Eric Gordon is going to do, pair minimum, he's not going to stand there and shoot. That's all we need. We don't need the offense to disrupt that at this point in time, all right? Oh, man. I want to believe, okay, so if they get fully healthy and Joelle and B looks like Juele & B by the end of the season, there is a good team in there.

But as though every day goes by, it becomes less likely that we're ever going to see that team in any way that matters before they're at a playoff contention. Because at this point, Maxie isn't even healthy yet. Joel doesn't be got hurt twice last night and he still doesn't look that good he had a good scoring game but he still has not had a game where he looks like Joel and Bid that part would be patient with I think that's the part in three weeks he'll probably look like Joel and Bid and that's all that matters really

okay some other stuff matters in terms of some other stuff matters when it comes to how good Joel and Bid being bottom bearer of the Eastern Conference if he is who he is naturally they're going to roll into it sure and he's any they've done in the past yeah but now they have $50 million a salary dedicated to Paul George who is either looking old or being hurt. So he's not yoken. She can't carry anybody. He needs a competent supporting cast around him.

And sure, if Maxie and McCain are firing all cylinders and we see them together, both healthy, both playing their games, and it looks as good as we hope, then I can see them rising up, but we still assume

that McCain can keep it up with Maxie there in the lineup and Juel will be in the lineup. That's less touches than getting now. And we have to assume that Paul George comes back and provides value because even if he's not going to be that great,

you need to get something at that $50 million of salary, otherwise looking at a lot of minimum guys to carry a lot of load and already in a 10 game hole it's just hard to imagine it's going to work out Tobias Harris is out playing Paul George oh my god yeah I know that's very damning very damning I know business fans are happy right now maybe they are mad at me so maybe I deserve it okay so that's a device man Indiana I mean obviously I have a little lower but it's within the same range I get it

especially the projecting I get it Miami at 17 I get it okay yeah that's where they I mean They're just like an in the mud team. They're not like. Clippers are 16. I get it. Yeah. Miami and the Clippers are just like the same team. Yeah.

And I like to trade at 20. So I like everything besides the projection. But outside of that, I fully agree with you on these other teams that are playing as you'd expect. All right. Who's next? Next up is Donovan. All right. At 20, I have the Nets.

At 19, I have Miami. At 18, I have the Pistons. 17, I have the Pacers. And at 16, I have the Clippers. First of all, shout out to Brooklyn. Brooklyn is good. And as good as you can be, you know, under 500, but they, they push everybody every, every single night. And of course, like, you'll see, as you've seen already, I'm giving a lot of credit to teams that I thought were going to be bad early in the week.

I mean, early in the year. But for right now, I do want to give them their props because by the time we get to the All-Star break, half this team is going to be gone. They're trading everybody. And so, like, we have to give the Nets their flowers while we can. So shout out to them. Miami, in the absolute mud. They are one of my least favorite watches. I hate them.

In the entire league. And the zone that the Bulls have operated over the last couple years where I just don't like watching them, the heat have now into that. And it's so, it's so, so rocky watching them. Detroit, we're talking right now. the fact that you can get competent coaching and you get a whole bunch of pluses from your from your young guys i i like what they're what they're doing right now they're going to be in the playing race throughout the year and 18 through 20 that's about where they are you know

indiana we've already talked about them and then the clippers the clippers are they are they are they are like james hardin is going to do his thing norm power is hooping right their defense is awesome they are going to they're going to have the ability to play up with some of the better teams in the Western Conference, they're going to be able to win some games against the Eastern Conference. And you're going to look up at the end of the year and they're going to be what, 40 and 42, 41, right? Like in a three game sample size, they're mid, but they're good mid. It's the best situation you could ask for it. They just, they just don't have the same amount of talent, but they are. I have so much respect for them. And like, there's not many people

in the NBA world that I respect more than Tyrone Lou. Like, they are just so good defensively and so disciplined. Any team that comes to those doors. So, okay, so there's any team you're looking across the league and you have questions about their offense if any young players are blossoming and you want to see is this real look on the calendar and find the game they play the clippers because that will tell you if it's real because tyrone loo is amazing at defensive game plans for specific offenses the warriors have been beaten the shit out of everybody you know their motion offense if you're an undisciplined defense they will run you at the goddamn building we just saw them beat the fuck out of the hawks yesterday that's the type of team

that the warriors are equipped to just blow their faces off there's one team that's defending them really well over two games they won one lost one and that's the clippers they're making those guys work because they can shut down all the fancy motion shit and really make you beat them in tough ways they do that to everybody they just be the on fire magic the other day whenever franz vogner was looking at starfish games he walked in to los angeles and got clamped just again use them as a litmus test because they will show you what a team's offense is really about yeah and i've i've hated on i've you know i've i've i've hated all summer on james hardin and what the possibility of a James Hardin-led offense at this point

in his career could look like. James Hardin has been good. He's been really good. And we got to talk about Zubash too because Zubach is very, very underrated as an overall player and as a defender and the fact that you have that combo going. And once again, like 30-something-year-old Norm Powell

about to win most improved player, the fact that you can have James Harden and Prime Paul George in Norm Powell's body, that's that's awesome but again at the end of the day there's just other teams in that conference around the league that have more top-end talent and so they're going to end up winning out over the long haul but over the first 15 games the clippers have been really really good and so if they if you want to put them higher than 16 around like 14 or whatever like I don't two spots yeah it's a it's a range it's a raid but they could be at the top of the i said i respect them a lot

i respect them a lot as the middle of the league team yeah but um if they get kawab i didn't the season and he has 30 games a ramp up and looks sort of like kawai yeah i would hate to play them in the first round they are a headache for a first on team yeah i don't think they would be a one or two seed but they would make them fucking work and it would be a tiring seven six seven games that makes you really worn out for the second round yeah i agree look let's move on to my five i have detroit at 20 Milwaukee at 19 Atlanta at 18 uh Miami at 17 and san antonio at 16 San Antonio Love Oh wow

San Antonio at 16 Oh man This is amazing This is amazing Are you guys aware Are you guys aware That they're eighth in defensive rating Listen man I've been aware

I try to put y'all on game During the preseason predictions Bro let's talk about it Yeah let's talk about it You put it like 11 You put them at 13 Yeah bro That's game right there

You were crucifying my ass It's about Utah Jazz blah Blah blah No it wasn't even about the Spurs Really about the jazz Who I swore would be competent Like they always are And those motherfuckers suck

So that was the biggest difference. But no, I fully expected the differences in San Antonio has the 22nd offense and the 8th defense. That's great. I expected the 18th offense and 25th defense. But they are clamping people. Castle, he looks like a really good, really poised rookie who plays at his own pace.

All the things we expected from Castle when he was going to be drafted, he's looked exactly like that. He's looked fantastic. We know Chris Paul is doing Chris Paul things, whatever, being a competent starting point guard. Victor Wominiam is going to win DPOI. But Chah Holmgren hurt.

Yeah. Chah Holmgren was looking like he was going to be in the league because the Thunder had the most monstrous defense in the league. Yeah. He's not going to play 65 games. Wembe is going to walk away with DIPOI. I was holding on the Dramong Green for a second. Their eighth in defense.

Jeremy Sohan has been hurt, who's their second best defender. Yeah. Devin Vassell just came back. Who's an okay defender? They have Julian Champany, Harrison Barnes, Chris Paul, a bunch of other just guys. Keldon Johnson. Kelton Johnson, who sucks a defense, a bunch of guys, and they are eighth in defense.

Victor Verminjama is going to win DPOI. They're defending at such a high level. Offensively, they just, they've had a lot of injuries to key guys. They've played a lot of games with all the guys I mentioned being gone, and their bench has zero weapons on it. Their bench is hilariously lacking in firepower. So that's why they're 20 second in offense. Even though as late, as a late, like, Wembe hasn't even been there. Yeah.

These last, like, two, three games or whatever. So it's even worse. Yeah, but when Wemby sits, they look like a G-League team on that bench because it's just, just depleted in talent with all these guys out yeah but nevertheless they're fighting through it they're fending really well being really disciplined and it's just a well coached team right now that's defending well shots i agree they have competent is players chris paul's doing his thing and having them succeed at the very basics bare minimum at basketball and that's all they needed at this point in time for them and if you don't put them below some of these teams like i don't think

they're going to stay here like i think teams like milwaukee i saw other guys in the bottom that disappointing are going to rise up so I still think San Antonio is going to be like the 1413 seed they're 12 right now so hooray but they're respectful right now they're very the defense is a low respectable and I didn't really expect that to be the case yeah I think the defense can maintain around that range their offense I don't know but the defensively they should stand they should stand yeah and they're currently seven and eight and I was like listen they're seven and eight in a hard that's great conference someone like Miami is six and seven seven so I was like yeah sure we'll give San Antonio just the nod for the spirit the power rankings that they're having a stronger start to the season yeah last year it took them like 30 40 games to reach five wins and now they're already at seven wins just three weeks into the season yeah I think of the top 16 is only two Eastern conference teams so like they're the worst Western conference team that belongs in this range but they belong in this range that's fair okay yeah okay let's move on to the top 15 I believe I go first because we're snaking it oops Axon reveal too you guys didn't see that no one's all right no

Nope, nope, nobody saw a thing. Write down the timestamp real quick. Operate all these screens I'm operating. All right, 56 minutes, 52 seconds. Damn, it's like 10 minutes. We're gaping. We're deep into this. Okay, from 15 through 11.

At 15, I have the Los Angeles Clippers. I guess I do have I'm hiring you guys, but one spot, I forgot. Cool. 14, the Sacramento Kings. 13 in Minnesota Timberwolves, 12 the Memphis Grizzlies and 11 the Denver Nuggets. Okay. This is where things probably get interesting.

Okay. Which is hilarious that we spent 56 minutes on not interesting topics, but here we are how do you guys feel i don't i don't hate it because i think i have i think my this range looks very similar to uh to mine and sacramento at 14 that feels right to me it does i like that minnesota uh i want to put i wish they i wish they were higher i wish they were like clear cut better yeah them them in memphis i i really came into the season hoping that they could be at you know the seventh spot the eighth spot in terms of like the power rankings at this point but this feels about the right range for about all of these teams yeah and i'm with you again

if we're thinking about what it's like midseason they're going to be there i'm pretty sure they've both been dealing okay well minnie started slow i don't think they've looked that great they they're having some good games but they have serious issues which is why i put them below denver and memphis denver and memphis has insane injury issues like always they've been playing without john morant they'll certainly be higher and denver i think yokes had a kid or something he's on spin out for personal reasons for three straight games if he didn't go out they were they were fucking playing well on a role yeah they're like a top five seed yeah and they slowed down they lost the first two games him being out they actually just be i think it was memphis

yesterday so they're there both these teams are top 10 caliber teams there's just guys of teams them that are kind of playing over their head right now that deserve the credit but i'm not worried about the team right now yeah we'll probably see in in the west like there's going to be one or two teams and especially as we get later into the season who's going to make that run there's gonna there's going to have to be a team that's going to put like five or six games in a row together and then they're going to start to separate themselves because right now everybody's so jumbled everybody's you know seven and eight seven and seven whatever you're you're going to have to put together two weeks of basketball yeah and if you can if you can do that and be successful

you can jump seriously in the and for me my rankings will show that i think in minnesota could has a potential to do that i think memphis definitely has a potential to do that and so does Nicole Yokin. So hopefully the rest of his guys can do that on the Denver Nuggets. But that's where I'm saying. So I think I have those guys higher. But in terms of the team like the Sacramento Kings,

I see them and I can see them maintaining the 14th spot, 13th spot or whatever I have them throughout the entirety of the season. I think they are who they are, which has been like surprising me because I actually thought they're going to be not sizably worse, but a little bit worse than where you have them.

Yeah. I thought that they, I thought that they fall kind of by the wayside and obviously I think I was a little bit lower on the Demar signing whenever it happened but you can clearly see having him there is a it is a plus for them but it's it they are kind of the definition of mid and it's it's funny I don't care about the Kings very much at all

and people always like laugh at me from not caring about the Kings and like Kings fans get upset about it because they can tell that's like weirdly my most perfect middle of the pack like perfect prediction before this year Didn't I say on our awards episode On our precincts predictions I was like they're gonna be like a top six offense and an average defense Probably

There's sixth in offense and 14th in defense Yeah They're just exactly that And two they are But shout out but shout out to them Because they have gotten better and better Defensively 16th my bad Every year under Mike Brown

Yeah Like two years ago when they were doing What the Pace did last year Where it's okay we're gonna have the best offense And we're not gonna guard anybody And then you are gonna see some regression from that but defense gets better last year now we're creeping towards the middle of the pack and that helps whenever you know for sure that that you know your offense is going to take a step back

i i think that they can they're i think that they can challenge some teams at the top like in terms of giving them a good run for their money and i mean they'll be they can they can hold their own they're not they're not going to be a cake wall you said there which one of you guys said their definition amid me correct and And I think their definition of competent and good, they have zero chance of falling out of the playing in race. They're not, the bottom is not going to follow from under them, even if they miss key players because they're really well coached and really have really, really, really, really productive

offensive players that's their top three. Yeah. But I think they also have zero chance of reaching that, like, top five or whatever. Because they play so extreme to their strengths that it makes them a regular season wins, but I think it really holds them back long term. They're currently first in scoring at the rim in terms of efficiency. Makes sense because. Because they have great spacing.

Yeah, and Darren Fox, he's an absolute demon. It's how people view Shea and Luke and all them boys. Like, he's literally right up in those conversations. Now, they're really low in volume at the room. They're actually last, but they're really efficient when they get there. They're obviously the top team in mid-range volume with Damar and Deer and Fox, both loving mid-range shots. Yeah. And they're really efficient there.

So they score really well there. Defensively, you guys know how I feel about Demontis's a defense. Yes. It is no secret that I think he's a bad defensive player that is hard to build around. I think what they've done this year is they've really committed to help. helping really hard with Keegan Murray and all their other wings and not letting anybody get to the rim. They're first right now in rim percentage allowed, so they just don't let you get there.

But that means they allow a lot of threes. And teams are currently raining threes on them. That's why they're not a top tier defense. And their biggest problem offensively, they don't fucking shoot threes. They're an incredibly low-volume three-point shooting team, and it pisses their fans off. And I think we're kind of seeing a new metaphor in the NBA right now, led by Joe Mazula and the Celtics, that one of the biggest game behind the games right now is winning the three-point volume battle.

Everyone talks all the time about how the Celtics get up so many threes and they shoot them well on a consistent basis that if they play their game and get to those threes, you're going to have a hard time out massing them. You're seeing a lot of teams kind of play to that and realize that, and top defenses are going from not allowing shots to the rim to not allowing threes, so they win that math battle and kind of give themselves a leg up before the game starts. The keys are losing the battle every single time because they're taking away the rim and allowing any three other teams wants while also refusing to shoot them.

I don't see how you can play defense that way to hide your poor, offensive center that much and be able to really compete with the top five teams yeah they just have I mean as you all know real issues that stem from the big center yeah but their big center is really good offense he's amazing offensively yeah so it's like it's a given taking you can only do so much and in terms of like maximizing and being the best version of what you can be yeah it's looking like they're at now if they flip it and they start making more threes and becoming higher volume if Kevin Herger starts playing better kicking murray keeps raining threes whatever it is I think the league amongst

hurt too yeah so they could change that like they could prove me wrong and they could up three point volume and they could have that less of an issue but they have to be a really great few point shooting team to make up for the way they play defense I think yeah poor kings yeah I agree and it's hard to do so when you have two players who are who love the mid range shot yeah it's hard let's move on to the next group who is next mo all right so number 15 I have the the the Orlando magic 14 the bucks 13 the sacramento king 12 the New York Knicks and 11 I have Phoenix I was fighting for my life when it came to Of course, where I was gonna put the buck for them just like okay, you guys are so bad. I hate parts of you guys, but also I'm just like I see a generational player and yon is putting up ridiculous numbers on a consistent basis

I was fighting for my life when it came to where I was putting the Phoenix Suns as well KD's out I just said that I was trying to be nice And you're making it very very very hard. I don't think I agree with like four out of the five picks. Yeah, this is my least favorite tier I've seen of yours so far. That's wrong. Obviously, Sacramento at 13, that's fine. I don't care. Orlando at 15 is ridiculous. They are much better than that.

Milwaukee at 14, they are much worse than that. The Knicks at 12. I guess maybe if you're not, if you're not super high, fine, but they are better than that. Phoenix at 11 is, that's disrespectful to them. At least Phoenix has gotten hurt, so he's lost five in a row. So, that's where you're holding against them. But you reject it on everybody else. Well, I know, but I'm saying like if KD is not there, which he's not right now, and I don't know how. I'm going to scream.

I'm going to scream. You put the Pelicans at 23. They have, they are down their top seven players. And you put them seven spots above what they are, which is one of the worst teams in the league. How can you give New Orleans that grace, but you won't get Phoenix. Because I saw Phoenix. Well, I gave Phoenix grace because they're at 11. They've been great when the season started.

they've like proven a certain concept but it the concept looks like they've changed completely as a team but if katie is at his old age of 36 37 or our world he is right now is going to like be out consistently which so far the season he has been then I don't know where to put this team because I'm looking at devon booker and this is easily one of the some of the most inconsistent basketball I've seen him play even with that him being super inconsistent it leads them to be the 11th best team in NBA right now on my list. It's hard for me to put them above the team that I have. But in that same, but again, in that same vein, if you are going to sit here and say,

okay, if you're going to sit here and say, I don't know if KD. is going to be here this whole year. You don't know if Joelle Embed or Paul George are going to be there. You put them at 19. And they are, again, the worst team in the league. So there's two teams that. So it's not about Phoenix more so. it's like the teams ahead of them. So I just had to edge them off.

I got to see who's in your top team. Because there's a, there's a lot of teams. I guess by this point, Memphis is going to be higher on your list. Yeah. You don't know if John Morant's going to be there. But even with John Morant not there, they're best player, by the way. They've led the collection of the guys, the Jake Laravians of the world, the Saltia Adamas of the world.

Jerry Jackson, Jr., who's looked more of a number one option than ever before, looks real promising they've been able to sustain at a certain of an they didn't lose against the Debra Nuggets just last night or two nights ago whatever it is but with how they've been able to maintain without their best player as soon as you pop him in there whenever that time comes I'm just like okay like they deserve to be higher that's a good point but they have the same record so like they're the same record as the Phoenix Suns they're not like wildly different yeah no again I don't have the Suns much higher than you so I'm not mad at

that it's just it's because you've projected so much for other teams that not projecting for them because when Katie was there, they were fantastic. They just lost five in a row as soon as you went out. That means before that they were nine and two. Yeah, they were the best team in the West. They were cooking. So, like, if you're going to project for other teams because you know what it looks

like at their strength, then it's just inconsistent, I think. But maybe it's one of those things that you're, to me often, I move a lot of people around and I forget to move somebody else around and they fall by the wayside. I'm assuming that's what happened with them. With KD, he scares me the most in terms of like, it's fair to say with Doyle and as well. So fair to say with Joel and Bid, but in terms of the way, but in terms of like actual health and knowing how consistent this player will be here for he i have real fears about

him and also on top of that too another layer is like okay i see kd cool he's having like an MVP type here while he was healthy devon booker who's supposed to be a top 10 player in the NBA has not looked like that in the slightest he's been wildly inconsistent and i see the framework of that i don't fuck with it i see with the framework of the denver nuggets memphis grisies and the Minnesota is why all I'm assuming have higher I see consistency in that I don't see consistency in Phoenix right now okay well yeah if you if you don't think they're going to be good at their peak you doubt them that's fine then that's totally understandable um Orlando 15 is also a bit low I don't talk about them I get they're

been injuries we'll talk about them some more we keep going they could be higher easily for sure we have no real let's get to my fun because we can save the next up for later but I have the Hawks at 15 out Sacramento at 14 I have Minnesota at 13 Memphis at 12 and then Dallas at 11. Yeah. How you guys feel a lot of mini? I'm kind of concerned. I think that they are,

I think that they are getting better. Yeah, that's the best scenario for them right now. But, doing what they do. I cannot get the fact that they lost back-to-back games to Portland. Oh, yeah.

Those two games have stuck in my head for the last week, we can some change. And Dante is not playing well. Julius Randall is, he's playing, he's playing well but it's they still like clearly need to need to click they need some some more offensive juice off the bench and i think that like they they should eventually get there but this but this is a team that is completely different than the one that made the western

conference finals completely different and that team that team even with like you know even with cat and whatever limitations that he has defensively they were still the best defense in the in the league that team could go toe to toe with the nuggets that team could go and you know they were in a lot of close games against out there's a couple of possessions here and there like there's a world where they were in the finals they they are remaking their identity and because of that it has brought them down for me so that's why I have them at their team I think their new identity sucks I think it stinks and that's fair yeah I think it's reeks now I think they'll get better they need time like you've said all season to figure out how they want to play with

Julius Randall fully incorporate what they want to do with Dante Divencenzzo. He's kind of been like their backup point guard. I think his hand on the ball way too much for what should be perfect, like the perfect role for Dante Devinchenzo was a lot more off ball. I agree. They need more time to figure that out. Sure. Currently, their style reeks.

They went from being the number one defense in the league by a wide margin. Not wide because no selfless or close, but easily wire to wire best defense in the league. I think they were like 13th to 14th in offense by the end of the year last year, which isn't super high, but it's good enough when you're number one defense. they're currently 12th in defense quite to fall off and they're only ninth in defense

so they improved you know they're leaning to Julius Randall ball and has led to more scoring but not nearly enough as the defense has fallen off and I've picked them to be the foursies

before the season started not because I like them but more so because I didn't want to repeat last year's mistakes and I want to give credit where credit was due and that I thought

they proved to me that they had the defensive infrastructure that I thought they'd once again be a top four or five defense and play a similar style to play with Julie's Randall there and kind of plug in play

and have a little bit differences that makes them slightly worse but be relatively the same team. We see now that the value of Carlton Towns, the size of the four was immense. And they just don't have that infrastructure as I thought they did. So I really was just scared to be wrong about them again. And they kind of are the 7-8 seed that we probably instinctively thought they would have been. It really sucks.

I mean, right now, so they started off the season within the first two weeks. I think they were like 20th or 22nd in defense. That's just not real. Yeah, it wasn't real. And they naturally got better as time goes on. And what were they? he said earlier currently 12th and defense 9th and offense 12th and backwards backwards no you're yeah yeah yeah 12th defense 9th and offense okay cool I see growth and you say they don't have any

like infrastructure whatsoever I agree they don't have that they're restruct they're reconstructing that entire thing right now and it's just naturally going to take time yep and as long as I see them getting better and really like honing in on their identity defensively that's enough and that's all I need to see now of course like there's a real real real real issue when Dante Demonson not being the volume shooter that you put in this last year as a Knicks fan if he's going to be what he is now which is just like just the just the guy on the team yeah yeah it's a real issue and I don't know what their ceiling is and if that's what he's going to be they're probably going to be an eighth seed they're also the lowest percentage

of transition plays in the entire league they get out less than every single other team they are slow and anthony edwards is fast I would like them to play play fast at least a little bit and empower him to create shots in transition you know he's up to three point volume which lots have been talked about i kind of like it overall but transition is a perfect way to keep those rim attempts and continue to use that skill set they haven't done it which i guess isn't that surprising they start mike calling the rudy gober and julius randall none of those guys are high flyers it's i would hope i don't know what you're not going to have any type of speed you're not going to have top tier perimeter shooting in the half court you don't have great playmaking on the

roster there's not a lot of strengths on either side of the ball if they're not going to be defending super well yeah it's it's okay to play slow and if you have guys like like luka who can completely dictate what's happening in the half court right or if you have a lot of guys who can who can go and like create their own shot and attack mismatches and stuff but for for the wolves like they you got to find your strength somewhere and i think that i think that the fact the aunt has come out and completely changed the shot diet, leaned into the three more. And it's gone pretty well, you know, for him as a three-point shooter. It feels like they are leaning into him and his three-point shot as their superpower offensively.

When last year, that's not the thing. And maybe at a certain point, we just have to stop thinking about them last year. They made the trade. It's over. It's done. We have to start thinking about this team and like how you get the most out of them. but Anthony Edwards at 6-4-2 whatever being one of the most athletic guys in the league him being a the three-point shooter on the team probably isn't the best to maximize him

you know it might be best for the team but not him and like their offenses and putting his strength to be the top tier strengths in terms of you know being a offensive force around the league so that's that's very tough for them yeah I'm really team here I think we'll talk by the next year I obviously have Dallas higher than you do But they're an interesting team that we'll talk about why. Interesting you have Atlanta's so high at 15. I like them. Yeah, I like the idea of them too, but they haven't been that great because of all the injuries.

Then I bet. Six months higher than. So shocking. They're okay. Okay. Let's move on. Top 10. Donovan, where are we going for 10 through 6?

I have the Denver Nuggets at 10. I have the Lakers at 9. The Houston Rockets at 8. The Orlando Magic at 7 and the New York Knicks at 6. That's about right. I think that's very fair. the lower end of the Lakers But it's tough

The Lakers The Lakers are too low for sure They're 10 and 4 They've been winning Yeah They're They're Pain's gonna say this

Because I am a Lakers fan And I want to see them thrive They're a little bit They're kind of fake demons As far as being 10 and 4 goes They have a fucking Neutral net rating If you look at the top teams

And Lee a record They're all like plus 5 net rating Plus 1012 for those top Dominant teams The Rockets have like plus 6 As the same record the Lakers are plus one because they have a good offense

their fourth an offensive rating everything JJ Rec has implemented has been fantastic they are precisely that as expected at least by me going into the season I don't know if everybody else thought that way they're 25th and all in defense

they can't defend fucking anybody the defense is so bad that it's equally as bad as their offense is good so they're beating teams by margin of 1.400 possession that is not sustainable they had 10 wins

they beat the Suns which was great early in the season and OB-night they beat the Timberwolves fantastic wins after that they've gone through a run of playing straight shitters and they've been beating them up and it's been cool it's nice to pad the record when those schedule is easy like every good team should you're beating who's in front of you they're not beating them by the margins that suggests they're a great team and that's why I had them a little bit lower so everybody in the top 10 for me and we can talk about this whenever we talk about Dallas everybody in the top 10 for me I feel has a superpower and they they have something like they have a strength that can 100% be important. post on the other team on any given night and for the lakers you look at their profile and in years past i would look at that like if you took away the name you would look at them and be like oh that's the sacramento kings oh that's the that's the indiana paces they're their team who

amazing offense their defense is trash right however you still have lebron you still have anthie davis playing at an MVP level and the fact that you have those two things that you can deploy at any time and you have that level of talent, that's why I have them in my top 10 and that's why I separate them from those teams that have that profile in the past. Denver, kind of the same thing. I don't like their roster at all right now,

especially with the way that Jamal Murray's playing, the fact that Aaron Gordon's heard, but Yokic is going to come out here and get 50, 20, and 10 every single night and it doesn't matter. And when he's on... I love it that stateline as possible, too. Right?

It's not crazy, it's not crazy. But so when Yokic is on, they can, they can do whatever. And he's going to lead him. It's fine. That's fine. Houston, Houston defense is, is real. And they have, they have a bench defensive unit that they can go into and really mess up your night. They can, they can have a bad night.

Does that know something? What's up? You got them too low. Okay. You got used to way too low. That's fine. I, for me, them, Orlando and New York were really, really, really. hard and i kind of was like going back and forth between them um i think i think Orlando i'm

giving them credit because they've won games without without palo and before and before this uh win streak palo went out and i was like hey they might fall a lot because their offense looks so palo dominant it was so reliant on him and the fact that franz has stepped up the fact that that everybody else as a team they've just defended on a string and they are clamping everybody that's fine i don't care who they've played you lose your number one player you go out you win six straight that's hard to do they've done it i want to give them credit and then the nicks the nicks their offenses is awesome they can't they listen they can't guard anybody but they still have a good net rating they're still they're still outscoring people by a heavy heavy margin and so there is

something to that yeah and so that's why i have them at six 100% i think i say a lot of numbers up here net rating is the one that usually doesn't lie i think i think think especially at this with 15 games is a decent sample size and that that's the type of thing that if you're a team that has a lot of wins early in the season but your net rating is bad there's probably a reason for that there's that just you're just simply not beating teams by convincing margin and the Knicks are so I agree I put them over the Lakers as well for the same reason yeah yeah their offense the Knicks offense is so potent car Anthony towns having he's been aware on like I have to I have to I have first of all we were right we were right

to say, hey, the offense is going to be great, but the defense is going to be trashed. They are exactly who we thought. Yeah, I'm not surprising a little bit. No, but this guy over here was talking about Mattela Bridge's second option. However, yeah, that's a surprising part. And that is not the case because, yeah, Carl, listen, shout out to you. You've been hooping. You've been dominate. Cronty Tons has scored 40 points multiple times this year. He is dominating. We had a, was it if it weren't for Kobe White's hair and whack officiating, they would have Completed a 20-point comeback with cat scoring 40.

It was crazy. There's been some nights, especially with Jalen Brunson, having some like a slow start. Karin Thi Tows has put the offense on his back many nights for this next team. And he's been fantastic. And I need to, especially me, I need to give him all the praise that he deserves because he 100% deserves everything. You know what bothers me? What? Last year, we weren't high in the Timberwolves.

Obviously, we were wrong because they made it work. I wasn't high in the Timberwolves because I saw him playing Nisigalbert. And I said, what made Carlton Towns fantastic? He can shoot the ball amazingly well, obviously. And that works well when you can have a five defending him because you can stretch him out, and those big guys are going to close out too slow. And he can shoot those threes open every time.

And if the big slow slit centers come up, he's really good at attacking closeouts and can blow by them with his speed. That doesn't work super well when you have Rudy Goberts standing in the paint. So I said he's not going to be his best version offensively. Turns out that was exactly right, because now he's back to the five

and he's doing those things great again. He is so good offensively when he's the five versus the four it's a massive difference but it's also like you're giving up something yeah we're also right that he can't defend it the five because the rim defense is atrocious cat is exactly who he thought he was when he plays the five he's one of the best offensive big man in the NBA point blank period to use moz turn of phrase he is top four offensive big man alive he cannot be your five if you want to win a playoff series so I have the next high two in this it's they don't they have a great regular season model with

offense i find it hard to believe they're going to be anybody that's serious with a one five defensive duo of jalen brunson and cat we have to pray that mr robinson comes back and that he can stay healthy yeah and that you can deploy that lineup of cat at the four mitcher robinson at the five and hope hope for the best because if we saw night one right what the worst case scenario looks like with cat at the five is everybody gets gets gets blown by Because even in that game, the Knicks offensively weren't terrible. They just couldn't guard anybody. And you built this team to try and go toe-to-toe with the Boston Celtics.

If this team right now, without Mitchell Robinson, plays the Celtics in the playoffs, they're getting clapped. They're getting swept. And they don't have anything for them. And so that sucks. Also, man, I saw Hartnstein come back last night. I started crying. I miss him so much. He's been amazing.

He's been great. so many issues that you guys have yeah he's amazing he's awesome um they're top five in transition defense but 27th and half court defense and that makes so much sense to me because in transition defense they can be well coached and they can do their thing there but in the half court you got cat retreating going like this trying to stop a big and roll and it's not it's not pretty you can't do anything to stop that exactly you can't hide anything in half court yeah there's only so much you can do only so much you could do but hey okay let's be while the next group me up next 10 i have the Phoenix Suns and nine the Dallas Mavericks eight the Orlando Magic seven the

Los Angeles Lakers and six the New York Knicks okay Lakers versus Nix was hard for me because wins matter when you're doing power rankings you know they've won their games we're gauging these 15 games and the Lakers have 10 of those motherfuckers the Knicks are just better like you look at all the underlying stats besides record they're both teams with top five offenses and bad to mediocre defenses the next offense is five points better and their defense It's five points better. They are just better at playing that style right now than the Lakers are. Again, the Lakers are just barely, barely beating teams.

And that is okay because you have LeBron AD, and they've been a big fourth quarter sit up and lock-in team, which is going to be what they're going to be, having that style of no defense and the two best offensive players in pretty much every game you play. So I don't want to hold them back too much. That's why I put them seven still. It's still pretty high.

But they're just, they're kind of fake demons. And I do think as a Lakers fan, it's encouraging because they're just good enough and just getting enough early wins that you see the outline of a good team there. You see all the frankly great genius stuff that JJ Redick is doing X's and nose wise offensively

and you see the outline of a team that can be really good if you spend those two first-on picks and get in some necessary defensive caliber players because everything Jay did doing is fantastic. His ATO calls are amazing. They've been doing some really creative stuff where I forgot how you describe it

but basically whenever they run a high pick and roll with LeBron and D or whatever LeBron swings the ball out to the opposite corner where Austin Reeves is and they run actions out of that corner where they'll be on the right wing running a pick and roll and he swings the ball over to Austin Reeves in the corner

and they immediately get into a pick and roll with Reeves and teams aren't necessarily expecting that because he's in the weak side corner who the fuck runs pick and rolls from the corner it's been just really invented stuff like that that's throwing teams off and I think that's just very real and very powerful for a regular season and a playoff setting

that that's why they have the fourth best offense in the league but the next or third and they're a lot better at third it's a pretty sizable difference yeah i'm with you as soon as they make that trade that everybody knows is is coming and we've been saying it's going to happen for the last year and a half as soon as d'angelo russell is no longer uh laker and you can get somebody in there surprised you can say his name once as soon as that happens i thought i went without saying we're cooking so yes i agree with that let's see your list mode okay the lakers are currently top 10 in off screen volume and number one in cuts so number one in cuts is so jj coded yeah and so was off

screen. They're just running around screens, making it work. Actually, what if everybody played like me? Narcissism. And they're third in post-ups. So that's honestly a very like Denver Nugas profile. They have their main hubs in AD and LeBron, holding the ball in the high post, doing all these creative

actions around that. And it's just been working. They're the perfect talent for it. Yeah. And now they recently just, they've been making a lot of line-up changes and he's, I think he's fully committed on having DeLo come off the bench because he's just not predictive alongside Austin Reeves, LeBron and AD. And the other night, I think we witnessed Dalton Connect start,

drop like nine threes on whatever team they were facing. I forget who they were playing. And before that, too, I think they also started to start Cam Redis consistently too just because he can defend something. Once they make that train and get off Adelo, I can see this offense. And especially like net rating like you pointed to start to become a real, real, real thing. Yeah. Because their biggest problem is they have no transition defense at all.

Like it's embarrassing. They're 29th transition D, which AD doesn't get back. that well. LeBron's old. All your guards are offensive-oriented and unathletic. Not a lot of guys that can get back and stop people from getting to the rim. It's purely a talent issue. You can only coach so much when your players suck at a specific skill.

Yeah. But he's doing what he can. He hasn't made any real mistakes just yet as a head coach. So far in his young career. But at number 10, I have the Dallas Mavericks. Number nine, the Houston Rockets. Eight, Minnesota. 10 or seven, I have the Denver Nuggets.

And at number six, have the Lakers. Okay. Let's talk about Dallas. We haven't really talked about it. So you have Dallas the highest at 9. Mo has them at 10. I have them at 11. I guess for, I know why.

I am not super, super high on them. Why are you guys kind of keeping them in the back half? They're the perfect example of record isn't everything because, yeah, the record isn't great. I think they're currently like the 9th year or something. They lost four games in a row by less than three points. Yeah. That is so insanely unlucky to have that bad of crunch time luck. They're the 11th.

that's hilarious right yeah well yeah they're so jumbled up you're right but like they have the same record as like the eight or nine yeah and again four losses in a row by less than three points they're all one or two points that's such bad luck they're a better team than that they had some games they miss luka they've had injury issues like everybody else has their seventh in offense and seventh in defense how many teams out there are top ten in both four there's three or four four four if you count the rockets uh if you look at cleaning glass cleaning the glass they factor out garbage time the rockets are ninth in offense so that makes in the fourth team if you're top 10 in both, you're a good team. They've been unlucky. Luca's had a terrible start. Jason

Kid has done normal early season Jason Kid things where he works his way through offensive wrinkles that have been terrible. Luca always has bad starts. This is normal. The defense has been steady the whole time and the offense is rising as time goes on. Now, Luca did just get hurt. He's going to miss a week, which isn't great timing on that end. But yeah, I think they're just, they've been very unlucky. Yeah. I mean, everything stands like it. When it comes to like Luca being Luca, we've seen the story for the last two, three years on a consistent basis. that's not surprising to me at all. Seeing Kyrie,

Kyrie's been the exact same player who we thought he would be. PJ Washington is the exact same inconsistent dude who only gets up to play OKC and all that of yourself. Like nothing surprises me when it comes to this team, although the record indicates like, oh, they're like the 11 seed and they should theoretically be like worse or whatever. Like a lot of the same reasons that you, a lot of the reasons that you pointed out in terms of net rating, them being top seven in offense and defense.

I just look at this roster. I'm just like, you're better than who, what your record says you are. The late game blunders that we saw a couple nights ago against the Utah Jazz, Luca just being, staying still there while being, you're who I think you are. Like, I know you're not that bad. You're going to be better. You have Luca Donge's as soon as he gets into a healthy weight or whatever people

are saying right now, 20, 20, 25 games in, you're going to roll into wins in that and you're better than a couple of teams that I had above for sure. And five through 11 all have eight or nine wins. So like, I'm not putting too much talking to be 11 right now. And they just won three games in a road two, I believe, like current, as you speak. Are they? Yeah, they're on a three game win streak. So it's like they are.

They're going to be a lot better than even what I have and what you have them. And yeah, I don't even think it's projection. I think it's just looking past straight rating, straight ranking. I mean, a word I'm I'm trying to say, straight record. If you're looking to anything slightly more deep than that, it's clear they're a good team. That even though they're, they lose a tiebreakers and they're technically 11 on the standings right now. They're really fifth or sixth quality in that conference, I think. Yeah.

And I think for them, for them like they are still they are still who people thought they were in the playoffs and part of the reason why like people were picking them in the finals and picking them in the conference finals it's like yeah the other team is better and yes they they have a good defense but when you get to like you know the last two two five minutes whatever luka and kairi like they're going to come through all a lot of stats unless it's just a crazy year a lot assets are going to balance themselves out. So there's going to be a run where they're going to win four to five close games in a row. And so like their clutch numbers are going to be good.

For me, I think the tiebreaker was one of the big worries that I had for them was what does your team look like when you have Luca, Kyrie, and Clay Thompson. And their two most played lineups this year have Clay Thompson in them. And they're two of the worst. They're not good defensive lineup. And so if you're running those a majority of the time, and we get into crunch time situations against these better teams, that's where I think you have a fault. And so that's why I had them at 11 rather than in the top 10. But if they rise up for me to like seven or six or anything like that,

I wouldn't be shocked at. You know what's funny? That starting lineup that's Luca Donchitz, Kyrie Irving, Clay Thompson, PJ Washington, and Daniel Gafford is minus 12 on the season, their most used lineup. 107 offense, 120 defense. Not good. You know what's even funny?

he changed that line up a little bit and it's Luca Donchitz, Carrey Irving, Clay Thompson, PJ, PJ, Washington, same one through four. But Derek lively at center instead of Daniel Gafford, they are plus 28. Yeah.

It's a 50 point swing, a 40 point swing. It's crazy. So, yeah, I mean, that's, again, these are both relatively small sample size still, but I... You have hope for that one.

I see the vision of what could fix that quite easily and that's not starting Daniel Gafford. Yeah, we've seen this since last year. I don't know why Jason kids just like, it's hell bent on. keeping daniel gafford as the guy i don't know hierarchy issues whatever don't know don't care

this play live just yeah i think he likes putting gaffer with luca because luca can set gafford up and use his finishing and really get those easy dunks in whereas if gafford is with the bench he's just like they're not that useful so it's kind of like why javel started for a lot of teams because if he plays with the starters he's going to be a release valve like vertical spacing duckman that that's valuable when you have the perfect guy to set him up whereas lively is a good passer better defender can kind of carry those bench units a little more just a good passer better defender okay so that's that's fine let's start let's start fast man yeah exactly yeah you know let's just let's just get the the best players and we can stagger around it it's fine yeah but yeah

again they need they need to defend better in the line that line up that line up can't be fucking minus 12 but i'd then you go figure it out it's daniel gaffer you can only do so much yeah it's not even just daniel gafford it's just like the combination of daniel gafford plus those three guys i don't been talking about like you need a strong defender at the four and five to make up for them they're there a lot to make up for defensively yeah how do you feel about Orlando? Because I low-key this morning before I finished tweaking it,

I wanted to put Orlando at five. I kind of was thinking the same thing. I moved them down because, okay, so, Palo Banerero got hurt. And immediately their offense tanked. We were like, oh, fuck, they need Palo Banerero. This is not looking good. And then Franz Wagner locked in

and went super saying. He sat up in his chair, and I can't think of a good German reference to make a joke out of that. But he did something, and they won six straight games in which he averaged 27 points, six rebounds, and six assists. Player of the week. Looks like a true all-star caliber player.

Looks like a top 20 player in the NBA because he did all that offensively while still being the second best defender on the team. He is such a valuable, good defensive player that I, so every team on this list I got injuries, I don't give them credit just because they're injured. Like I move Phoenix down to 10 because they lost five three games when KD got hurt. I know that's only because KD got hurt. But tough, tough shit. Everybody deals with it.

You have 15 games. You wear shit for five of them. You got to go down a little bit. Orlando, I give them a pass because they still look so good without that that I know they're making serious strides that when they add palo in, they're going to be amazing. And I don't have to do too many mental gymnastics because they won six games in a row without him. So that just that combination and I know when Palo comes back and they have this version of Franz that hopefully now they see that they need to really distribute those touches a little more evenly and really empower Franz that keep playing at this level. Yeah. They're going to be unbeatable.

They're going to be so good. They don't even have their starting center. Wonder Carter Dune was out, been out for a few games, stuff like that too. So I wish I would put them right. And guess what? And go, and go, good. Some team needs him so bad and he's just relegated to being on the bench. Nope.

Over the last seven games, their first in defense and 19th and offense. Beating people with hammers out there. But, but, but the reason I went from five to eight is I looked at who they played. Yeah. No, no, no, no, you ain't got to tell people about that. They beat the shit out of all the teams we had in the bottom five. And that's what they're supposed to do. Exactly.

A lot of teams can't do that. Correct. But I went from five to eight because I was like, okay, the other teams like, I can't go to. If I put them at five, it was strictly because those six games, they won six in a row. And I was like, I can't put too much stock into it when it wasn't a murderous row of opponents. But they still deserve to be top eight. Yeah. Eight is the floor, I think.

They're good. And they're legit. Okay. Are we top five? Top five, top five, top five. Top five. Okay, let's move on over. Bam!

Oh, this isn't working. Ice closed. Top five. Here you go for all of them. Never mind. Donovan, you go first. Who's your top five? We'll say them all.

At number five, I have the Phoenix Suns. At number four, I have the Golden State Warriors. At number three, I have the Cleveland Cavaliers. At number two, the Oklahoma City Thunder. And at number one, the Boston Celtics. Okay. At five, I have the Houston Rockets. At four of the Golden State Warriors.

At three, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Two, the Cleveland City Thunder. to the Cleveland Cavaliers and won the Boston Celtics. Wow. Okay. We all have different lists. This doesn't happen too often, surprisingly. So at number five, I have the Memphis Grizzies.

Four, Golden State Warriors. Three, I have Cleveland. Two, O KC. And at one, I have the Boston Celtics. Okay, you have both shocked me. Memphis and Phoenix are not what I expect in the top five, given their injury issues. Go ahead.

Okay, so first, let's do the easy ones. Boston at one, we all agree. Yes. If Cleveland had beat them, and Cleveland had stayed undefeated, they would have been won. I almost feel like when you start 15, I know you have to be won.

Yeah. But I was like, Boston is Boston. But that's the point of the power ranking. Just to be like, hey, record aside, who do you think is the best team? But I also think Cleveland's the best team. They've been amazing.

That's fair. No, they've been really, really good. I think, okay, see, especially seeing what they look like with Isaiah Hardinstein back, now I'm like, okay, yeah, you guys are back to being exactly who I thought you were. And seeing the versatility

that they have defensively, not only on the perimeter, but Jalen Williams being able to go down and play. He's an all-star this thing. Yeah, he, the, the jump that we've seen from him after Chet went down, that to me was like, yeah, you guys are fine. And then again, they're getting, they got Isaiah Hardinstein back. They look completely unlocked. And so everything that I thought about OKC before Chet went down, they're back to normal

and they're about to go on another run. So that's why I had them at two. Cleveland, shout out to you guys. I really, I don't know if three's disrespectful and if it is, I'm sorry, but it is one is not. Okay, it's okay C's it too. So, but yeah, that's why, that's why I had okay C at two. Yeah, they're, Cleveland is so good, man. And I don't know Darius Garland had a stinker versus Boston, but they're also missing,

their top four rotation wings, we're all not playing against the best wing doing the league. No, I ask a coral, no Karras Levert or Max Drews, who hasn't even played yet. They haven't played yet. They're still going to level up, like, still sick, bro. The number one offense in the league and it shows, they're simply amazing. all three these top teams are great I don't really care about what order they're in Golden State we all have at four

They're beating the hell at everybody Like they're clearly the fourth best team Right after those three guys And as somebody wanted to put them at three I mean it wouldn't be crazy But I think the top three teams Clearly deserve to be top three Yeah I think if you

If you want to put Golden State at three OkC would be the one that would have to drop down the four I don't think you can I don't think you can put Cleveland outside of the top Yeah and I'm not putting They're both they had the same okay C's played two more games but they have they're tied for first seed right now

I have no issue saying okay C's a better team to break that tie I agree yeah but five okay so Donovan why are the Phoenix Sun still five to you despite losing five in a row for me I'm throwing out the five games without kitty and so that we can't just throw off five games

I'm sorry I'm doing I was I was so moved by what they I would respect the rules I was I was so moved by what they did by what they did by what they did pre-KD injury and I look at that team and I'm like hey you guys are firing on our cylinders and I see that I see the way that Bradley Beale is playing this year and I'm like you know what do you guys legitimately have changed your style of play and are in a situation now where you

they can go toe to toe with with the Warriors they can go toe to toe with with with with okay C like I think that they are a legitimately good team in the Western Conference and early on they separated the whole west is so muddy yeah the sons had separated themselves prior to kd's injury and if you want to say hey they're not able to withstand injury so that's why you have to drop them okay fine but we know that whenever they're healthy they are one of the best teams in the conference and i did want to give them credit for that this is the antithesis of what you've been beating me over ahead for the entire podcast a little different but yeah he also just said fuck the rules because these guys are my favorites so i understand you were i think

what the issue is with this is that like were you really down on the Phoenix to start off the season in your procedure predictions? I don't think I was as high as you guys were. Yeah. But also I'll say this. The difference between me and you is

I had proof of concept prior. Yeah. And then I still ranked them off of that. Whereas the Pelicans have been hurt from the start of the season. The sixes have been hurt since the start and then you still ranked them on this issue. It's instance. Let's talk about and then this grisies now i have proof of console of them being actually good i'm not hanging on you

for that yeah i'm not saying anything there's one through somebody's gonna say something i'll say a little something that five what the fuck yeah because they were solid one job was there and then now that jaw's out and they've been able to maintain at the solid level with what's his name scottie pippin junior his son playing well jaron jackson june this is the best version of jaron jackson jr jr jr jr jr jr jr jr jr who cares about that's not what rinkins is about vince williams just got back maintain team being good not great why does i get them five because there was saw when jaw was there jaws going to be back and jaws out right now seeing jaren jackson doesn't ban on all these other guys start to be healthy again i see the vision and i'm like yeah this is going to be really

you should have put orlando at five just does this get but see at least Orlando won six straight games Memphis has been mid the whole time they've been around eight the whole time even when jaw was heard they've been a little bit above 500 and they still are like you're right they've been consistent without him which is very encouraging like i think that's great that that right there last year we all we all had a talking for talking about how the memphis graces lost a lot of depth their superpower as a team outside of john morin was how good they were able to be when job was not there this is still here and none of us expected that correct which is encouraging if this is a ranking of like the best vibes and how encouraged i am by them long term my optimism very optimistic

about the memphis grisleets for the reasons you outlined but in a power ranking they haven't shown top five level with or without jaw and i understand thinking they could get there because of what you've seen but it's still just hoping they'll put it together and if they haven't put together for a single second i don't know what we're latching onto other than hope so you know who i am i am mr i see the vision i know who you are and with that taking into concept they are top five with that being said the houston rockers are currently 11 and 5 and they are fantastic we mentioned a lot of teams having a soft schedule and they've beaten these bad teams like the Lakers, who I call them fake demons because they're barely beating these good teams because they're

really pulling together in clutch. The Rockets are beating the ever-living shit with baseball bats out of these bad teams. They have like six 20-point wins as far this season because their defense is absolutely ridiculous. They beat the bulls by like 36. They're beating the hell out of everybody because they have the third defensive rating in the league and 11th in offense. But if you go to cleaning the glass, which filters out garbage time, they're ninth in

offense. One of the very few teams in the league who's top 10 in both. they just have the superpower of having their two best defenders coming off the bench in Tar Easton and Men Thompson. And it's insane. In those minutes when those two guys are playing, they have a plus 13 net rating. It's the most dominant bench duo in the NBA. They come in and they wreck shit. It's crazy.

And this team is, you know what they are right now? They're what the Memphis Grizzies were a few years ago when they were the two seed when their offense wasn't elite. You know, I said they're ninth, which is pretty good, but it's not elite. But they do all the gritty hard work stuff that gives them an edge. up that allows them to win games despite not necessarily shooting well. Because you look at the cleaning glass page, every single spot on the court is blue. They don't shoot above average of the rim. They don't shoot above average in midrange, and the damn sure don't shoot above average

from three point range. But it doesn't matter because they're the best offensive rebounding team in the NBA. They're seventh in transition points. They get out and run off of their great defense, which is always a combination you like to see. Their second and three point volume allowed. Nohow mentioned that the Boston Celtics are starting this new meta of taking a lot of threes and not allowing you go to the team to.

they don't got the talent to take a lot of threes themselves but listen where did Joe Mazzula come from I'm a Udochus coaching tree he is also taking that approach defensively their second bottom in three point volume allowed

they are not letting you take threes at the rim I mean shots at the three at all and that's why they're a top to head to your defense because you have insane athletes that come in and hounds you and they say you're not taking threes you better attack Sengoon all day you better try and get to the rim

and finish over them we're not going to make it easy we have big fours who are going to make it hard to get there in the first place and it's a truly winning formula that has been not only successful, dominant. Imagine if these dudes have some shooters, man. Yeah, imagine if Jalen Green can shoot 40% and 3. Imagine if Jabari Smith can be competent.

That, oh my goodness. Number one, he's been better as a way. He can't shoot. He's been competent as late. You can't shoot. The last few games you've been figuring out a little bit. On the average. The whole season, man.

I don't think he should start also. What do you guys think is Boston Celtics net rating right now? plus 15 that's ridiculous come on nobody's ever done that I say 12 9.8 11.7 is the leader

in the Cleveland Cavaliers so 9.8 for the Boston Celtics the rockets are at 8.5 they are so good right now and again do I think they'll be this great all year maybe not maybe they'll fall a little bit and be closer to 8 or 9 as the sample size grows but if we're expecting this 15 game sample size

they are beyond legit I think I think they are We've known we've known this they had a hot start at the start of last year Yeah, they were up here this at the site too last year yeah and and I think you had them at like six or five yeah Yeah, I remember them in the Mavs were like five and six and we were like all right yeah and we we saw them last year and it was like okay this this is real It's the same thing this year like it's a they've they've been with EMA for a for this is two years under you know a second that's that's fine I think this is way more sustainable though I think so too it wasn't last year though like None of us really believed it last year.

We were all like, it was just, this meaning, pointing to the right. But this is real. Like, their defense is legit. And Sengoon's gotten better. Amin Thompson's gotten better. Tar Eastern's been amazing. Like, they have the offensive players that I don't think it's crazy if they stayed like the 13th, 12th offense all year.

Yeah. I think out of all you guys, I was probably the lowest on the Houston Rockets. And in my season predictions, if I was able to, if I'm able to remember correctly, I had them in playing range or maybe even. like missing the plan not 100% sure but i know for a fact i was lowest on them for you know obvious offensive reasons and i thought like yeah this team's gonna have to make a trade in order in order to make real noise in the western conference and apparently not they have found you know their hierarchy jane green even though he's like inconsistent that's good enough for them

to go ahead and still be let me shout out to you so i mean shout out to them doing what they're supposed to do and also like staying in it with even like the actual good competitor in the teams in the area right now. And no, dude, I'm not super tied to wins and losses for this, but in the top five, you better be winning some goddamn games.

Like, if we were giving you a top five in a power ranking, you better be winning your games. Like, I can't put Memphis at 9 and 7 in the top five. I can envision them maybe get into there by game 42 or whatever,

but Phoenix, you lost five in a row. Like, top five should be upper echelon. You look at the teams that are right next to, like, how can you put them within one spot of the Warriors? That's fair. Also, record you had Houston at 11 yeah I had a 10 you didn't have that much higher you like it

wasn't that much worse yeah are you talking about for the season predictions yeah I had my 10 or nine let me see one of those I think 10 actually yeah I just know I just wasn't I just knew some team was gonna disappoint yeah I was right some team disappoint I was wrong I thought it was gonna be the so 11 10 9 yeah yeah so I thought they'd be playing range and like I was very confident in that like I didn't I put them 10 but I was like somebody didn't get hurt they're gonna be in the plane for sure but i didn't think they'd be no they're they're they're legit and i'm very happy to to see it and the fact that like like how how high can can we go with this like are you gonna be he's stuff from rockets fan now too i mean no i love the rockets this year like that's not

i'm not a fan but that's one of my teams that i'm really watching like and rooting for it i am a supporter of both thompson brothers so i won't so i will be rooting like for it but i'm i've never been it no's funny i love them man i feel nothing for sorry dude he has he has blood clots he hasn't been playing i know but like as like a fandom wise like oh like i love him in he's like one of my favorite young players i'm so apathetic to assar i don't dislike him or anything but like you said you love old thompson brothers i don't think about assar i forget he exists and it's probably because he hasn't been playing he's been hurt for well yeah i don't know why that's crazy because i die for sir so like he you won't die for a man no no look assar assar's my guy

i i love watching watching assar i would rob banks for him in what i would rob banks for him I'll go to federal prison for him man bro the start of last the start of last season when assar was just locking everybody up and he's like at the top of the league and rebounds and everything it's like yokech assar and somebody else like he was he was out

here like I'm so ready to see what he looks like whenever he comes back so okay but yeah that's cool though and that's the first power rankings of the season there we are as always we are not on the same page what so fucking ever but that's how we do it okay this is so me

CD3, TV3, man. Let's do it. We'll be back to do this again at the halfway point of the season and then before the playoffs start. So maybe we'll talk about it throughout the year of this too. We'll like reference it. But yeah, man, that's the power rankings. Cool.

What does that mean? It's TikTok time. Rejoice. This is our first time rejoicing here. It is. I got no damn crowns. Don't worry about it. We're going to bring him back next episode.

It's my first time rejoicing here. Yeah. Christening the new place by rejoicing. Rejoice. Take on time. Let's do it. Welcome back to TikTok time for the first time in the new studio. We're here.

If you're one of the people that click the video and you go straight to TikTok time, here we are. As you can see, this is a new TD3 studio. We're going to be here once a month for the next five months. And then in April, we're going to be here full time. Every single show will be in person. Mm-hmm. Here we go. And to begin TikTok time, we're going to start with what we started with last week.

We graded the 15 Western Conference City jerseys last week. city jerseys last week honestly not that bad today we're going to grade the 15 eastern eastern conference city jerseys so by the time this episode is over we'll have graded all 30 you'll be able to see them in a little tier list type thing yeah man let's let's just go straight into it is is the eastern conference as bad when it comes to jerseys as it is like as the actual records i hope not it's hard to be worse than they are basketball because these guys suck west was all fire last one yeah the west ones are pretty good let's see if east can keep up with it so you guys know how it we're going to grade it a through f real simple

first up we have the new york nix with the kith jersey for the second year in a row there is no collab better in the NBA than the new york nix and kith everything that they put out is amazing and this is no different this is an it's an a plus it's a beautiful jersey i'm a 25 real man that wears office like this i am the target demographic for kith i'm gonna love it i'm going a you be at coffee shops and they know and they know that You know what? I love a silly little hat, a silly little jacket. I'm going A too. You weigh out coffee beans by the gram.

You're not wrong. I know. You're not wrong. This is an A. I think the white looks better than the blue did last year. Was it blue or black? It was blue. Which is crazy because normally I like white jerseys.

I think I like the blue better. Either way, they're both perfect. They're both perfect. Yeah, it's far. I like when city jerseys are just like a cooler version of a normal jersey, not necessarily something crazy and extravagant. This works. I love it, bro.

Shout out kid. Shout out the Knicks. I love the branding. Next up, we got the Indiana Pacers with the second year of the graffiti shit. Holy trash. Somehow this is a little bit better. I guess this is how I know I've aged out of a certain demographic. I am Unk.

14-year-old teenagers love this jersey. As an adult man, I hate this, and I still hate it for the second year in a row. The way that we just said that you're the target demographic, obviously, you're not the... No, I'm not. You are not the audience for this. I've never felt so old when I look at this jersey. But I was thinking about this. the other day and maybe this is my you know trying to be trying to be young i was trying to

you know convert my wife to be more open-minded i was like kids are going to look back at this and they're going to be like they're going to think about these jerseys the same way that we look at like those big like hawks jerseys from the 90s and be like oh i miss when jerseys were colorful and have personality that's what this is so from that perspective okay it's a you got to do mental to get to that point exactly it's 20 years old are gonna be right now this This shit is a D. Get the fuck out of my face. And from my personal likes and dislikes, I agree.

This sucks. I hate it. Okay, there we go. Put this in D. Yeah, listen, it's not minimal. I'll give them that. A lot of jerse these days are too minimalist. This is, if nothing, it's not maximalist.

So good for them on trying. So out to Indiana. And listen, if the middle scores like it, good for them. Make them jerseys. I don't got to buy them all. These guys are out here graffiti maxim. I hate it. Graffiti maxing.

It's crazy. But no, I'll give it a D. It's better than last year, which was an F. It's cool. I'm not going to hate looking at it I'm used to it by now but I will not be purchasing it next up with the Cleveland Cavaliers

These are so icy These are so bad What the fuck I was not ready for this I love it I just love baby blue and white It's hard to mess that up It's a perfect color combination Listen baby blue is my favorite color in the world

This is an A plus A plus Even past the baby blue Having the land I'd be ready to fight for that state of Ohio Yeah, the text looks nice. And they have the coloring book on the side. That works for me.

The text, I love the little lines through it. Colors team's perfect. Easy A. They've been trying to sprinkle in the baby blue and like bring it back. You've had retroses with the cabs before. Are they going to go to this full time? I don't know. A lot of teams are rocking on baby blue or just blue in general.

Again, baby blue is the best color in the world. Blue is just an amazing jersey color. That's good. Man, this is, this is an egg. This is one of the best jerseys that the NBA has to offer right now, period. The calves are on like three years in a row. Elite city jerseys. They know what they're doing.

Good for them. It's the best thing Cleveland got going for them. Next up, the Orlando Magic. Two years in a row with the fucking Dallas Cowboys jerseys. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Y'all don't like, y'all didn't like last year. I bow a last year heavy and I fuck with this one even more. No, no, no.

Oh, my gosh. I don't dislike it. I just recognize that it is a Dallas Cowboys jersey. Like, I can't look past that. Why do they keep doing this? Why do they keep making amazing jerseys? Why do they keep making great jersey? Oh, okay.

I love this. It's not bad at all. It just screams Cowboys, but you can like Cowboys. A hundred percent. They're not bad. You can wear this with the jeans shorts and it's going to go hard. And the Flint 13s? Yes.

You can wear this and say next year is our year. Listen, hey, when that gets healthy, oh my God. We're going to be good. No, you striking some nerves. We didn't blow his way. Guess what Cowboys fans, y'all suck. I hate y'all. But it's going to be okay.

He looks straight to the solo camp for that. I hate the Cowboys more than anything in my heart. I had to get that on. No, these are very solid. These are some of the best jerseys are. Again, the NBA has to offer. I'll go B. B?

Yeah, I mean, they're cool. They're not. I don't think they're not as good as a Cavs jersey. What are we talking about? I think they're on par. These are looking at the eye. Absolutely. They are looking at my eye.

Absolutely. I got to give them a way. All right, all right, all right. I don't think it's a weak B, so that's fine. Similar enough. Next up, the Boston Celtics. Finally, they have done something wrong. I hate the Celtics

They make every shot They win every game At least they look swaggerless While doing it Always Why are you being up on Sam Houser he didn't do none of you? I didn't say nothing about Sam

He said looking swaggerless Jason Tadim is also swaggerless Let's make that clear Sam's cool Sam's cool No listen We've said it several times over the years That these are some Nerf jerseys

For different teams I've never seen a more Nerf or nothing jersey than this fucking Celtics jersey This Tron jersey It's so Yeah it's not those Nerf footballs The phone ones

It's terrible So boxy So high school Somehow Always had a piece missing Yeah I'm buying it right now Yeah exactly

It's a dog chew toy Yeah there's no creativity To this jersey whatsoever It literally looks like a high school jersey It's been made on Canva I can make this for you right now If you want I don't take it long

I want that This is the worst one The Eastern Conference this year This is an absolute F Yeah this is nasty No sauce in sight I hate it F

Sorry Sam Houser You gotta be the guy To take the fall for this The Chicago Bulls this should be better it should be better but it's not it's not trash i don't know why but i see this and i'm like oh my god like this is just remember this is giving me vibes of like a iphone rose gold when it first came out when we're like high school or invention that phone is so boring i see this and i see nothing there's no life to this no character there's nothing of redeem qualities

it looks like a makeup line like what is this blush color it's so ugly yeah it looks like yeah no what it looks like the maves did this like three years ago and i was Why did they redo that? No one liked it. This is terrible. Because the bulls do that every time. The bulls see, oh, you didn't like it?

Now we're going to do it. That's what they do. That's the name of Nicola Musovitch. That's what they did with Josh Kitty. I mean, they're respectable because they know who they are and they keep all running it. It's a deep.

Self-aware ass is still ass. I'm going to. It's a deep. I think this is a C. This is not terrible. It's nothing. It's nothing here. It's not bad, though.

This guy. It's entirely forgettable, and it will go down in history as one of the city jerseys of all time. Okay. Next one. The Toronto Raptors. You put that, if you put that baby dinosaur on the front of a jersey, it's going to look good. Yeah. It's great.

I know what it is. Playing into it and having Vince Carter be the dinosaur is a very bold move that could be really corny or could be great. I think it's great. I think it works. They played with fire and they came out on top. again this baby dinosaur has saved this franchise the baby dinosaur and kawai leonard supply all the aura for the rapids for the last 25 dinosaurs undefeated that never lost never lost is the reason why they have some of the hardest jerseys that the mb has to offer

of all time point blank period so it's like i see this grant of immediate you know jersey is real when he pulls out the point blank period ever giving this an a exactly would you rather be the celtics win every game but look swaggerless hell not or lose every game but it doesn't matter because we look good doing it look good play good yeah give me give me the rapids yeah with the raptors yeah another one today listen we're getting a lot of good ones this year we are never this positive in city jerseys for the third year and third year we're doing it we've never had a more good than bad city jersey batch it's looking good so far the charlotte hornets this is a city jersey it's a c this is the same thing they did when they did cl t they just

put charlotte it's exactly the same this looks like normal jersey it's cool though It's not bad. Yeah, it's fine. It's a normal jersey. You can't be playing CLT on the front of the jersey. Yeah. Very dangerous. Yeah.

But they realize their audience, like guys, we have to be family friendly. We have a lot of kids showing up at our games. Put this in the corner. Oh, no. Wait. No, there's CLT at the bottom. Oh, they snuck it in there. They love CLIT.

We're going to see. Okay. Nasty. The Philadelphia 76ers. This is good. This is dope. I just love rainbow. Anybody that incorporates like a multitude of color like that, like with a

Nuggets had done for years I'm gonna love it but it's so it's blocky rainbow I love lockiness that's cool I like it I don't know not a fan size I like it but I don't like the way they did it why it's very cool I love a good chunk because orange is part of the rainbow what do you mean why yeah it's orange I why is green there do you not know about Roy G Biv Rory Biv is the homie bro but not in this case he got me through some times bro what this looks to me like an A I'm not I'm going a I'm going to i'm feeling mad optimistic today i'm feeling a i'm going at your elbow dude it's a it's a it's a beat of me it just doesn't feel cohesive but it's not it's not a bad jersey everything in

the front is cool as soon you turn into the side i'm like that that's the best part this is a blues jersey in the best way possible she like that i like it childish i like it childish i love it give me childish jerseys i mean i love a good childish jersey if it looks good actually yeah i was calling a patient childish childish jersey it looks like a 90s child a vintage childish jersey this modern childish jerseys look terrible That's a real encore right there. Exactly. Better aesthetics back then for jerseys.

Okay. The Brooklyn Nets. I'm so conflicted. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to believe. This jersey is not made for me. I know. I didn't like these cause jerseys

when they first started rolling them out over the past few years. They kind of want me over. I kind of like this. It's not bad, but there's so much going on at once. Kind of works for me. They got me. I hated it at first and I'm on board now.

Give me this eighth grader jersey. I fuck with it. Do you use a descriptor too early? This is a blues clues jersey. And I like it. Blue's Clues is a great TV program. I can't get with it. I learned a lot from Blue Clues.

It almost feels like a throwback Blue Scloos program, though. Like if you're walking this jersey, I fully expect you to have an Afro, some sort of long hair and like a boom box on your shoulder too as well. Sounds like that matches. Sounds like exactly what they're going for. Sounds like Brooklyn. That's what it is.

This feels like a B. I agree. It's a B. And I like the little cause eyes on the waistband. Man, that looks cool. I didn't even notice that. You don't know your branding. This is solid.

Yeah, that's a B. No, it's just... No. No, no, no. Okay, well, we'll keep going. The Milwaukee Bucks. Maybe Milwaukee needs to change their colors. Yeah, they love blue in these city jerseys.

And every time they go to blue, it's hard. Yeah, I like this jersey a lot. This is very cool. Is that a line? Is that like the shape of the state? I have no idea if that's the case. Don't nobody know what Wisconsin is shaped like. if it is that's a cool concept i've said it once and i've said it i'll say it again i love

milwaukee does blue it always i think it is i think it is because if you see at the bottom they have wisconsin yeah yeah okay that's a cool concept the cream and blue works every single time this cream or white looks like it's like it's like off white it's a creamy off way i think it's what usually is i'm gonna go b plus i'm not gonna go a because we've seen better blue ones in the bucks but it's still a b plus i'll go b i'll go b okay straight B no plus no added no okay okay well I'll give this a B I'll give this a B I'll give this a B I don't know if that's real cream it looks more white who cares it might be white yeah I am I am captain cream over here so I care all right if they remain

consistent then I'm gonna be okay cool I have to have this I have to have one of these jerseys in my hands in a captain cream yeah no that's crazy that's that's crazy I'm colonel cum shot oh we got we got We got heat culture. I'm going home. We got to be remote again. This is crazy. This is crazy.

Heat culture for the second year in a row. They, one, are stupid for running this back. I can't remember if it was like this on the first one. The fact that they distressed culture. Yeah. Made it seem like they work extra hard. Like they're in the literal of the mud, bro. I saw someone on Twitter say the culture's fading away.

How poetic. Yeah, they ran out of ink. It's terrible. This shit is ass. It was ass last year. The red's a little bit better. So maybe it's like a F plus instead of F. but D minus

D minus for me Yeah, bro If I'm Robin Hood And I see this city jersey I'm relinquishing my fucking sponsorship Ew Look how much is going on There's big as culture

Heat above culture is already stupid And the 22 is so close to culture There's three blocks of text That are so bunched up And then you have hell of space right there bro And then the two logos There's just so many letters It's horrendous

Tell them they principles is off Awful F. Yeah, I take away the F plus. This is an F-minus. The Atlanta Hawks. I already loves baby blue this year. How you feel?

Yeah. Yeah, last year I was not rocking with it at all. But this, even though it's different, this respect the city of Atlanta. This is representative of what Atlanta is about right now, bro. Young thug, he just came, he just got out, bro. He will be proud of this jersey. You're dedicating this one in Young Thug?

Yeah, absolutely. He is proud of this. jersey listen man young thought would never wear this jersey in his life mm-mm what I bet Gucci me would he hundred percent would oh yeah he's yeah he for sure would he for sure this jersey is hard this is a eh and it's like a B minus it's cool they've done way better this blue color weight before their standards are too high yeah the the big stripe I like what they're going for it's a little bit man it looks a little I don't know it looks real 60s

the only thing that's like I like the idea I don't know if I like hawks within that blue Because it makes it feel like it's like almost a ribbon or so Yeah, I like it, it's cool Yeah, it's a sash Like his prom queen Yeah, I like it He's homecoming queen

That's okay though Yeah, B minus If he's homecoming queen, he is my homecoming queen This is a A next one Next one And the Detroit Bistons Hard, this is a Oh my, why am I saying A all the time?

Fuck, this is an A It's an A? Yeah A? It's good. This is an A. I go like, it's a good B. It's a very, it's a good jersey.

The text is cool. I like the orange. I love when teams do random colors for the city jerseys. I fuck with it. It looks like Detroit. It looks like some like, they're consistent. Auto industrial looks like a real car type of jersey.

Okay, Detroit. We're back up. American muscle. I love it. Put this in A. American muscle. Yeah. It's a VA jersey.

I see Detroit on the up and up. Basketball is good. Jersey's are good. Okay. Shout out of Detroit. B. Me, shout out. here winning TikTok Wars.

And last but not least, the Washington Wizards. It's better than what they had last year. So much better. So much better because the colors are better. I can kind of get with this. Yeah, I kind of like it now. Last year, it was the worst city of Jersey

they've ever seen in my goddamn life because the colors were gross and the text is dumb. The text looks more appropriate with this color scheme. I don't even hate that part anymore. If they can get like an actual, like, wizard mascot on these days, I'm, what does a wizard have to do with like the city of D.C.? I guess because it says whether it's your medieval is the whole point. I guess and it's like a gothicist thing or whatever.

I don't love that it says the district. That part, I don't love that text, but it looks cool. It's a good font. It wouldn't be bad if they just called it the district. But they're saying the district of Columbia. It's too formal. Yeah, the of Columbia is implied. You don't got to say it.

The district of Columbia. Don't insult my intelligence. I know of Columbia comes next. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. It's not terrible. And honestly, there's like an epidemic in city jerseyses. Have too many letters on them.

the Timberwolves one last year said wolves I didn't realize until after we did the video this one says Minnesota that's so many letters and yeah this is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 15, 16, 17, 18, 18, 19, 19, 20 20, 19, 19, 20, 20, 5, 26, 27, 28, 29 letters and two numbers.

Damn. And then DMV on the shorts? 32 letters and two numbers and one, and two logos. That's too much. Too much. It's too much. So what?

C plus? I'll go see. See, it's fine with me. They're rising up from an F, so they're honestly most improved candidates. Okay, I like that idea. It's going exactly the way

the wizard season is going. Exactly. Until Kyle, who came back? RIP. RIP. And that's the end of this. We've graded every single

NBA City jersey for this season. What was the best one? I like the Cavs a lot. Caves is great. Caves is dope. I think, yeah, maybe the Tarantor Raptors just naturally.

Nah. Nicks, but the NICs are hard, too. They're top 10. So the Minnesota's 10 moves. I don't know what's the best. don't know okay uh memphis grizzlies oh yeah that they had a good one dead good yeah next thing we're gonna do we're gonna do something physical okay person don't touch me

let me grab this oh my god i have this box here and in there is a bunch of these cards i'll pull one out that we're not going to use as you guys see we have faces on them on these cards i'll point to the audience over here but then randomly what we're going to do is again you've seen TikTok a million times you've seen growing up each of you are going to take one of these cards there's tape on it you're going to take it off you're going to stick it to your forehead and we're all going to take turns trying to guess who is on our forehead so you ask questions try to get a hint it's kind of like a 20 questions inverse you got to figure out who you have on your head the person who has it on the past to try to guess it

yep so close your eyes and pick one reach never randomly close your ass okay wait is it I'm holding it the right way uh yeah whatever put the tape on your forehead yeah i know but it's like straight up then you donovan here you go make sure you close your eyes just reach and grab it okay and yeah see that tape pull that tape off and stick it to your forehead my eyes are closed cool got it and pull this tape off put it on my hat this is hilarious okay so oh don't don't look at the monitor don't look the monitor don't look the camera someone unplug that bitch so we all have our players on our heads look at the solo cams you guys can see it Everybody faces a silo cam.

Don't look at the monitor at the bottom. Okay, so we'll take turns. I'll go first. Then we'll rotate around this way. Real simple, you guys know how it works. Let's see who can guess the player that's on their forehead. Is my player a guard? No.

Okay. Big guy. Okay. Is my player a guard? No. Is my player... A guard? No.

Is my player an All-Star? He has been. He has been. Okay. Will he be this year? I don't know. Gotcha. Is my player, is my player known for having a big personality?

Yes. Yeah. Ooh, okay. Is my player currently playing right now? Yes. Let me see. I mean, like is he in the NBA actively? Yes.

He's an active player. Okay, cool. He's not retired. Is my player active? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay, so my player's a big personality.

He's a big guy. It's my player, what you would call funny. you can be yeah you can be okay he can be yeah is my player a role player no okay yeah yeah yeah yeah is my player do my player make the playoffs last year no no no is my player an all-star yes yeah okay okay okay has my player average over 20 points for game yeah yeah yes that resounding yeah okay and in it's a bucket-getter is my player a shooter uh he's grown he can shoot i mean yeah but i call him a no ever cat when i call him a real life ooter no but he can shoot yeah okay is my player retired yes yeah big personality retired okay

okay okay you're starting to grab onto something right now and they don't like it this is a lot of funny big man that's retired this can be a lot of people yeah why are big men funnier than small man noticing okay shout out big men is my player one of the best players in NBA history no a resounding fuck no wow so you can get buckets okay so my player my player has been an all-star they did not make the playoffs last year are they does my player play in the eastern conference yes okay did my player play in the 2000s no oh so i got an old guy okay yeah okay is my player in the west yes all right so my guys in the west has been at east end coverage is my player a

my player a center no no no said no pretty fast so she's not a center i knew i knew pretty fast. I was aware immediately. I love it. Has my player worked in TV? Yes. Oh, okay, I have a few options. Yeah.

Shack playing 2000s, not Shack. Okay. Was my player an All-Star last year? No. I had to think about it, no. Yeah, I can't remember. Has my player ever won the championship? Nope.

Nope, nope, nope. Okay, so it's not. Shack as he played in 2000s I said is he funny and you kind of hesitated so I don't think it's Charles Barkley Chris Weber played in 2000s is this the legend is this Bill Walton on my forehead man yeah let's go you said I had big personality you immediately were like hell yeah yeah it was either Shack or Bill Walton rip the goat okay forgot he did we still go no we'll restart so I wonder who it is wait wait wait take a guess take a guess take a guess is my player Devin Booker no

is not is my player james harding fuck no okay oh zion william yeah okay okay we'll do one more go through you guys are doing right competitive guesses you guys are trying so hard loosen up here you go okay it's just so funny man uh random trying to this tape off blind like a fuck it look ridiculous these plays look so small mo's forehead what a jab and your fucking head is gone

what a chap okay okay i'll go first is my player currently playing yes yeah okay is my player currently no no he's retired as fuck no he's been retired as fuck We're sure you all face the camera, so I'm so I can see it.

Is my player current? Nope. Nope. No, okay. Okay. Is my player going to be an all-star this year? No. No, he's not going to be an all-star year, okay.

Okay. Is my player, has my player made an all-star name before? Yes. He did? I think so. No, he made like one or two. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Has my, is my player, is my player a Hall of Famer? Yeah, he is. Okay. Capital H. Capital H. Okay. Same too much.

The best of the best. Okay. I'm just talking. Is my player a role player? No. He's not going to be an all-star, but he's not a role player? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, this guy must be fucking hurt. Okay. Hmm. Okay. Is my player a big man? No. No. No. Not in the traditional sense?

No. No. Did my player play? dude actually has my player won a championship no he has not Hall of Famer no chip Shit okay we got to get this right My guy

He's not going to be an all-star but he's also not a role player That screams to me that he's injured Who He's not going to be an all-star Crap He's currently playing Is he in the West No

No God I feel like Donovan's going to get it. No. Is my player Chauncey Willips? No, it is not Chauncey Willis. Did my player play against Michael Jordan? He did.

Yeah. Okay. Okay, my players in the East. He's not going to be an all-star. He's not a role player. Was he washed? I don't know. Is this Jimmy Butler?

Ah! He's cheating, I swear. How could I cheat? We know why. No way. Damn. No, he's cheated.

Okay. He's cheated. Take your guess. How would I possibly cheat? Okay. Finish this off. Is my player a wing? Yes.

He's a, yeah. Is this Charles Barkley? That's Charles Barclay. You should have guessed that. How did you not guess that? I just had to make sure. Damn.

Okay. My last guess is this player. Oh, he made an awesome. our team right yeah one or two fuck it's not a wing he's not a big on music he's a guard am near retired

no he is retired I'm gonna give you one one hint yeah go think outside the box like it's not it's not gonna be your like traditional guy who you think huh

okay not my traditional guy huh all start not my traditional guy i don't know yeah i almost want to say someone from the 90s but i guess i'm not it's not that it's not that that far back yeah that's the last it i'm gonna give you i'm gonna need you to take a guess shit bro i don't know i don't hold on it last last last hit last i'm gonna say one word and if you don't get it okay i'm ashamed to you demon oh that's a good word

That's a good thing. Demon? That could mean a lot of things. Relentless. Demon. That could mean a lot of things. Then take your pick. I know.

Fuck, bro. Who is this, T-Mack? No. Hell not. Look. Opposite of T-Mack. He made an awesome. Yeah, in the Indiana days, right?

You know what's funny? You know why I got Jimmy Bother? Why? Look behind you. Oh, my. I got it because I picture. We told you you you've cheated. Yeah, there's a picture Jimmy Bother behind you.

They just spurred in my brain. That's a cheater. I got a cheater. I can't blame my surroundings. I don't know. Ron Artesse, I would have never got this. Yeah, you never got that. Yeah.

Who the hell of things about Ron Arthes? That's fun. Let's move on the next thing. Oh, shit. Okay. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to show you guys an NBA player. And you just leave that there.

And I'm going to show you what their 2K-24 rating was. And you had to guess what the rating is in the new game, 2K-25. Okay. So how their rating changed from last year. Okay. Got you. So real simple. Did they get better?

Did they get worse? Did they say the same? I don't know. First name. We got Clayton. Thompson. He definitely took a drop. I'm, I don't know if 2K still still respected him. I'm gonna say 81. For audio listeners, last year to play Thompson was 85, which is still, that was glazing last year. That was

kind of ridiculous. I'm saying 81. Yeah. But if they tell how he went out with the Warriors, 7.99. Zero shots. I don't think you're 7. Why are you going down? Who's only going to go down? I think he's like, just me. I'm just trying to 8. I'm going to say 81. Yeah. 70. But 81. Wow. He's 81 this year. Okay. There you go. I've never seen guys both get it that accurate on the first ride that's crazy so locked in okay good start next name anthony edwards they are glazing over a 90 he's not 91 he's the 88 last season he's like a 94 i'm i'm gonna say 93 oh how are you guys be so accurate right now he's in 94 yeah and i don't even play 2k trust me i for sure don't play too yeah he keep me away from that game no he's got a lot

better and he he ended higher last year because they did uh in the playoffs they fucking gas everybody that makes a deep run he's that like a 96 during the play Yeah, but they don't count that on this. I was like they're basically the end of the last regular season. I miss back when 2K was like reserved with who they gave 90 to 90s soon. Not to say the N. Hamers deserved or not, but I'm just like, I remember they get like three max four players and 90s back in the day.

Kyrie Irving was 95 into last year's playoffs. That's nuts. They are glazing. Okay. Buddy healed. He was in 80 last season. Wow. Not much has changed.

First off, glazing. But he's been hooping this year. I think I'm going to say 83. 84 I was a 84 I was gonna say 84 you guys have yet to get one wrong what the fuck he's 84 he didn't even play 2k we watched these games like we know how you guys have never been good at 2K ratings before this is ridiculous Ronnie I read your mind I see you okay carl Anthony Towns who's in 85 last season well he's been dominating but so yeah he didn't go out the bang necessarily last season but he did upset the Denver Nuggets mind you he's already had multiple

40 point games this year I want to say anywhere from 89 to 91 i'm gonna say 89 oh i'm gonna say 88 he's an 89 this is a historic run of td3 ticot rating this is ridiculous okay yeah he's he was an 89 basically his whole career but last year with rio gober he went down 85 because he had a terrible season the year before so now he's back to normal okay here we go next up tray young 89 last season he's probably 8 yeah he probably hasn't moved at all The league hates him. You don't understand.

Trey Young hasn't changed whatsoever. He is still an 89. Okay. Okay, cool. Same dude. This man has been to 89 for four straight seasons. Except for one year in 22K23, he finished at 90. Outside of that, straight 89 every year.

They are not watching 2K sleep. He has nothing if not consistent. They say here. There you go. Next one. Palo Bancaro was in 84 last season. With the way he started the 50-point game, Palo is a 91. I want to say he's a 90

Again correct he is a 90 We're on it We're on it today Badding 100% today Okay Damien Lillard was a 94 last season This is hard He's not a 94

He can't be He can't be lower Are we saying 89 for Dame Or is that too low Or is they put him at like a 91 I think they'll put him at a 90 Because he's still dames He's got a lot of name value still

Yeah I'll say 91 Correct He had 91 Oh, I was shaky on that. Okay. Okay. This is ridiculous.

Get one wrong. Okay. Come on. Anthony Davis was a 93 last year. He was 96, 97. Yeah, I think he's a 96. We'll go. He's an MVP ladders, bro.

I kind of want to put him at a 97. Okay. I'm going to say we're 96. All right. We'll go 96. Ah, Donald's going wrong. He's a 96. Oh, hey, what of us are right?

Yeah, I said we go. You want us to be wrong. We're like that. We got it. Here we go. Did you see my fucking notes? How are you getting all of these right? This is crazy.

Generational run. Last one, but not least. Norm Powell was a 97 last year. I mean, Norm Powell was a 79 last year. I just realized he looks like 21 Savage. It's just a car. Yeah.

All right. What do we go, 85? He's shooting out of his goddamn mind. 85 or 86? I'll go 85. I'm going to go 86. You've been hooping. Finally, y'all got one wrong.

You overestimate. Fuck! He's in 84. What? 86 is crazy. Who do you think he is? Norma fucking Powell, the P.C.

84 is perfectly accurate. That's good, ready. Okay. Well, finally, the last one I got you. All I need to do is pick a role player. Norman Powell, role player? What? You watch your mouth.

Come on to the MIP right there. The next thing we're going to do, a tier list, you know, T.3 staple. Today we're going to do a tier list of all of Steph Curry's teammates. Throughout the years, his most iconic teammates, good, bad, in between.

We're going to put them all in a tier list. based on the quality and how much it contributed to our glorious lights can go to legacy. Okay. Sounds good to me. Sounds good to me. Let's go. Does it sound good to you? Sounds great.

Awesome. S well. First off, let's start simple. Draymond Green. S tier. S tier. No explanation. It's great, bro.

That's his ride or die. Yep. There's never been a teammate in NBA history that is so perfect for his co-star than Draymond and Steph Curry. They are the opposite of each other in all the best ways. 100%. you can't have one without the other the yin yang fire and ice yeah literally

likable unlikable defense offense light skin dark skin everything violent passive I can't make that joke but and that's why we're a team there you're young Andrew Wiggins

he won a championship with him he did he was second best player on the championship team all star in that season however he's had a couple years now he just let him down but he's back this year he had two good years too bad years i don't know i think he might be a b

i'll say i'll say i'll say i'll say b because there's a lot of guys on here that's that had a lot of time with stuff and it's four years and when half a year time has been bad i can't put you in it so i will put andrew wiggins in b tier okay he might be able to be to move up though yeah okay that's fair next up kevonne looney listen luna's been here a or s loon is been he might be a or s Luna's been in. You want to talk about rider dies for Steph Curry.

Luni has been by his side forever. We're putting Kavan, Looney and A-tier. Through multiple eras. He was there for a chip. He was there for rebuilding. He was there for another chip. He was there for rebuilding again. Now he's here for another rise.

He's started. He's come off the bench. He's played every single role. He has done everything the Warriors have asked him to. Yeah. We have to put him in a team. In terms of talent, he might be D or F, but in terms of resilient and being good at which you are good at,

which is being big, send screens, defending in the perimeter. he's asked you you need to say that but yep yeah because listen some people are on here are gonna be really high because they're really talented some people are just great step curry teammates they define step's legacy by his side we can put looney nair just for everything he's done for the team i don't know i'll put him an ass calm down no no come down he can be relax wow you got to be really good to be y'all don't you need you need talent you need talent and contribution to be in his talented at be you just said okay stop okay speaking ass speaking ass Play Thompson.

S2. S, right side by side with Dremont. Splash brother. Yep. I kind of. Yeah, he's as no, no need to talk about it. Yeah, he's the exact same level with Dremont. Those three players just define the whole franchise.

I agree. Cemented. RIP. Next up. Gary Payton the second. Huh. Listen, GP, he was a part of a championship run. However, he's not as talented as Andrew Wiggins.

He's not. I'll put he's been in and out of that roster too consistently. I kind of want to give him points though because being Steph Curry's teammate like defines his career like he was bouncing around the league and then he got to Steph Curry and you're like oh he's just a perfect fit for this guy he has a role in this league now like

shout out Steve Kerr exactly shout out Steve Kerr shout out Steph Curry they gave him the perfect environment for him to have a thriving career that's fine I just don't think that he could be as high as Andrew Williams no he's he's CFS yeah okay let's go see move that task bar other way

okay Monta Ellis Monta Ellis Monta Ellis is D D they were trying to they were trying to run stuff out of town for Monta Ellis

is a very good player not a very notable Steph Curry teammate and this isn't a cheerless how good he is how good he is is a Steph Curry teammate he was detrimental

to Steph's career for sure it was one it was one or the other and they picked Steph and that was that they also didn't play I don't know if they played as many games

because Steph was going through injuries at the time so again nothing to do with his skill shot on monta ellis he was a bucket but not a defining part of step courage's career by any means certified where do we go with david lee so interesting he did not see any hides because he was the buddy was stopping them yeah being good you know it's funny but he was a trash ironically the dynasty started after him yeah the quadrum on green it did so we have we have we have to go deep they benched him started dream on and the dynasty

began we have we have to go deep but he's david lee he's awesome i understand i understand You said, David, like he's an all-star. He was good. He was an all-star. He was. Damn. But you're right. It's a Steph Curry teammate's tier list, and the dynasty literally started after him.

Festus Azili. See, just, I think he's perfectly alongside some, like, GP2. Sure. He was great. I guess. I guess. What do you mean, I guess? He was there for the first run.

I just remember, I remember Festus Azili being out. I can't remember if he was out or if he just. wasn't productive for the second one but but he did but he did get a ring so let's put this in C okay yeah if you get a ring I guess you automatically get C yeah it's hilarious how looney say loon is like that don't ever disres loom dog James Wiseman F all right man yeah I'm sorry I can't yeah nothing to do with him no he didn't win a championship does not matter don't care not yeah listen it's not his fault but picking him was the single biggest detriment to Steph Curry's legacy possible because if they would have nailed that pick, God knows what kind of

run they would have made after 2022. So got to be F2. Wasn't his fault. The one thing the Warriors needed for years was an athletic big man who can just run and jump. And that is what James Wiseman was and couldn't be. It was his fault, but it's not his fault. They picked him too high. He should have never been the number two pick. He was never that good. All I need you to do is run and jump. It's tough scene. Tough scene. Run and jump. not even that good at that damn i need you to get 20 he's hurt now shout out that achilles what do we put festus no shout out i put harrison barns in there

so festus i mean we put harrison barns and c too harrison barns see yeah he costed him he cost them a championship yeah damn he did also help but he wasn't the main reason why he can't be side by side with andrew wiggins no he's worse no andrew wiggins was again was the second best player on the championship team yeah Harrison Barnes, I understand Stepp didn't play well. Harrison Barnes is out here going two for 16 in elimination games. Harrison Barnes had a terrible last three games. If he just hits two more shot, one more shot a game,

maybe they go back to back. And maybe they complete the greatest season of all time. Harrison Barnes, that was the beginning of his scamming career. I'm putting him in C. All right, Harrison Barnes, you're going to see. No, that's too high. Drop me. Sean Livingston.

A, alongside Looney. He's one of the greatest role players that the Lakers, I said Lakers, that the words have had through this step era. John Livingston has the most aura points in the world. We act like he was there for 10 years, too thick and thin. He had like three good years of the Warriors that I love. Sean Livingston was dope. He wouldn't miss a mid-range shot, bro.

Whenever we talk about most unstoppable moves, everyone's like, where is Sean Livingston's middy? Like he's Kevin Durant. Because he can get to it at any point. He's six, nine, can shoot over everybody. Those letters. Shout out Sean Livingston. Yes.

I don't know if you go, A. I think he's that like monumental in terms of role players for the Warriors for sure okay yeah you're so switchable to on defense could scheme I'm not he could play with without step curry shout out John Livingston's aura yeah any a and a Andrew Boggett he's even in the front office these days Andrew Bogget see boget got a title he got to be a too I think dude he was he was but bogey wasn't there for for that long it doesn't matter boge it was so pivotal to the success the Warriors dynasty because he showed that that you can do illegal screens every single play

and the rest will not call it if Steph Curry's on the other side. I put him in A tier. And Draymond Green saw that and never stopped doing it for 10 years. Put him in A2. Bro, the slight passing chops that he had, he was a solid brim protector.

Of course, the screens, oh my God, I can't put enough value in those things. He's A. There we go. Shout out, shout out, Andrew Bogot. Andre Igadawa. S2. S2.

He did win a Finals and BP. There is no, listen, there is nobody. Yes, he did win that final. MVP. But he's not the core. He can't be ass. He is the core. He is S tier. Since the day Andre Igadala stole finals MVP, he has defended Steph Curry's legacy with his life. He will go in front of any microphone in front of anybody and tell them that

Steph Curry is the greatest player to ever grace the earth. He loves Steph Curry. I'm putting it on S tier. In the same way that the dynasty started after David Lee, it started because they got Iggy. Iggy was the glue that made them go from good, interesting. It was a part of the starting five pose and that. The death lineup. He was one of those guys.

He made them go from a young interracent team ready to make the leap to holy shit, they're the one seed. Like, he was so important for that. Mm-hmm. Okay. Jonathan Caminga. C. Could potentially be D. He hasn't taken the leap yet.

Like, he's having a solid year, being a six-man for them, attacking the rim, but hasn't really taken the leap that people want him to be? I'll go D. I mean, he's not even... Maybe if. Harrison Barnes was a starter on a championship team. We can't put Jonathan Camigua at the same tier as him. Yeah, that's why he should BD.

Yeah, I agree. Sorry, come bucket. And last but not least, Kevin Durant. No discussion, S-tier. Yeah, he won all the finals. But I just say, no discussion. I'm sorry, bro. Nightmares.

Nightmares. Damn. Andrew Wiggins and a tier of his own in B. Feels about right. Yeah, maybe Bogicku. Honestly, Bogot and Livingston are probably being B, too. Don't disres. Looney, literally.

Why is Looney and A then alone? Because he's a loon dog. For Bogot does definitely deserve us to be A. And if we're going to move anybody to B, it should be Looney. He's just like, who was better actually? Actually, actually. Looney or Bogot? Actually, Booget's an all-star.

Actually. Well, like, peak warriors. Maybe Livingston and Boggis should move that. Loon probably should be in the tier of his own. He's because he was there for multiple errors and multiple championships. He wasn't touching the court though, like during the early eras. We're moving him down Loon Dog is in his own tier

And then B-tier we got Wiggins Livingston and Boget I should feel better about this I can't hang on it And that's the end of this tier list Good Next thing we're gonna do It's perfect

We're gonna do a game Where I'm gonna name two NBA players I want you guys to tell me Who would win one-on-one And in the winner of that I have a list of like 10 And the winners And it's gonna be like a chain game

Of one-on-ones You've seen all over TikTok It's the king of the court basically Yeah yeah Let's put one-on-one king of the court. There you go. Cool. I didn't think about saying it that way, but that's perfect.

Okay. So, one-v-one king of the court. First off, Steph Curry versus Jerry West. Steph, I love Jerry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Jerry. Rip the late, great Jerry West. But, God, he's not touching Steph Curry. One-on-one.

I understand. Jerry West is bigger. Yes. Well, no. I mean, he's not hardly. I mean, he's probably a little stockier, but he's not probably. Yeah, he's bigger. But, like, Steph's handle is one of the more underrated ones in NBA history.

three yeah and he can get you one behind the back Jerry's gonna be clueless Jerry's never defended that deep past a three-point line before that was before that was after his time yeah might give him some problems I'm I'm going with stuff Steph's giving him work yep okay Steph Curry versus prime Chris Paul hmm Chris Paul's gonna throw those fucking elbows he's gonna get in his chest okay he's gonna get in them defensively two things matter one who's getting ball first and two is Chris Paul gonna try and post up Steph Curry the winner gets ball first so definitely Okay, Steph Gidsball

He's definitely Prime Chris Paul though He was fast He was quick Prime Chris Ball can get him I might yeah I know Where we want Seth Curry We gotta go Seth Curry

It's close Slay roll Slay roll Do 2020 22 Steph Curry When he was strong finishing down low But still fast Still had this shooting

At the same level 22 Steph Curry is winning But in a one on one scenario 22 Steph Curry is winning I'm talking about I don't know That's the best one one step carry i don't know that's hard we'll go step we'll go step it's close though

step curry versus magic johnson magic got him he's 6.9 he's not it's 101 sorry it's not like he can't do anything about that yeah six nine and all up on you magic step i'm sorry we're going magic johnson yeah magic johnson versus jason kid madge johnson yeah it's magic johnson yeah it's i'm not i'm not sleep on that it's still magic johnson though yeah it's a height different he's six nine he can get him and jason kid doesn't really have the awesome kid doesn't really have the offense for one v one by any means it's going to do blow past by him 40 can't do that okay magic Johnson

versus Damian Lillard yeah it's Magic Johnson if magic gets ball first if magic beats stuff he certainly yeah exactly I don't even anything but who gets a ball first if he can if he can put it on curry he can definitely look if magic's putting it on

curry what you know right come on now all right man Magic versus Russell Westbrook Oh, Russ is. What comes to one-on-one? Magic Johnson.

Russ is a different type of one-on-one. He's going to be super physical. He's very strong. He can get up and grab the rebounds, too. He's very strong. He's going to be up on him defensively. If Magic can beat Steph, he can be Westbrook. But it's for different reasons.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Dame and Curry are like same type of point guards. I'm not sure. That's all right. I think he's so physical and he's dumbass strong. We're going prime Russell Westbrook. he's athletic enough to keep up with magic. Yeah.

Ruben Russ? I might, it doesn't matter. This feels sacrilegious. Russ. All right. Russell Westbrook versus Kyrie Irving. Cairo.

Yeah, it don't matter. Woofing his ass. Yeah, it don't matter. That's I was like, move on. Kari's next. Yeah. Kari Irving versus Luca Donchich. Kari.

Oh, slow the fuck down. Versus is Luca don't play no damn defense. We just said Kyrie gets ball first. He's cooking him. Yeah. Yeah. Lucas playing no defense, too. One-on-one.

No, Lucas' one-on-one defense isn't terrible. He's not playing a help defense. He's not guarding Kyrie. Yeah. He's six-foot-eight. And getting dusted. Yeah. Got some met for feet.

I think, all right. I don't agree with that one, but okay. Kyrie Irving versus Isaiah Thomas. Kyrie. Damn. Last but not least. Kyrie Irving versus James Hardin. Kyrie.

Versus James Hardin? I'll do you understand what we're talking about. You're not taking no time to think about it. It's James Harden. It's the best offensive guard of all time. Whoever is getting ball first in that matchup is winning and Kyrie is getting ball first. Okay, yeah, I'm confident with Kyrie. I'm confident with Kyrie.

There you go. Kyrie Irving, you win the King of the Court match. Surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise. This is his legacy. Damn, I wonder if Steph should be Magic Johnson. Did we fumbled there? In a one-on-one, no. Okay.

What do I got left? We did that, we did that, we did that. We did that. One more thing, before we get out of here. I'm going to name an NBA player and I want you to describe them in one word so obviously you can expound out for that

but not the first come to your mind you can think about it because we've done first word to come to mom before yeah but like one word to describe this NBA player in the most accurate way possible okay first off lamello ball childish

yeah that's a good one that's good I like that I'll say shifty I was going to say unsurious so I'm all with you in childish the only way you can describe him in his media antics, his style of play, his personality, his way he spends money, the way he does his personal life, it's all

unsurious. How he drives, we can go on for days, bro, yeah. Top to bottom, unsurious. Sounds like we hate him. No, for better or worse, him being so good is cusses is unsurious and he'll play loose, but nevertheless he's unserious. Yeah. Donovan Mitchell. Killed.

Outmeaded Shea. I don't fucking talk with you. That's the only reason why he put. you know y'all don't understand he's been saying that for days now we out meet a shay this is why i got i got to i got to text the other day of just we out meeted chay and i was like what i was like what and then he texted again he's like we out meeting what do you mean period like with a dot like so you see it's the end of the sentence we out of me i need to cut off your Wi-Fi and force you outside uh oh my

God. Michael Jordan. Gambo. Goat. God. Shiny. I say just demented. Cigars. Rude.

Yellow eyes. Yeah. That's the two words. Oh, yeah. Those eyes are yellow. Tyler, hero. White. Yeah.

I don't even think of a word. I just think of like the phrase, dude. Yeah. Dude, surfs up. Just dude, he's a total dude. Sniper. Yeah. Okay, we can go sniper.

I'm not mad at that. I prefer white. Yes. White. Paul Pierce. Shut. Paul Pierce. Why?

This is why? Yeah, why? Everything that he does, good or bad? Hit the game winner on the Hawks back in 2014. 2015 why i said i'll say annoying see what you did on instagram live just why i'll say annoying there's takes that he's had that that have been annoying there's moments that he's had on the court where it's also been annoying yeah annoying is a good one because it's not even like an insult like part of him made him good on the court is he was annoying as hell and like that that that tone

was brought by the o8 celtics exactly he really got on people's skins yeah i hate that he's good he's very good draymond green defense aggressive aggressive is the best way to phrase it to be basketball related and non-basketball related aggressive it makes them great and it's made him pay some prizes

for better or worse he is aggressive he's not Jemong Green if he's passive couldn't be true the day Jermon Green stops being aggressive he needs to retire I'm sending help bro something's wrong yeah if you're friends of Jemong green you see him being passive asking what's wrong

something's not okay at all yeah Uder What? Real life Uter Uter Uter I'm missing out on something right now

Don't know He's not an Uter He's not an ooter He's not a shooter He'll never be neuter Not a Uter Lonzo ball Zio 2s

Ooh I just think of y'all dudes Baller rapper As in big baller Oh Big baller Not a little one

Big ball of brain Never lost Never lost Okay Yeah my phone he's locking Austin Reeves white I guess country yeah country I every time I think about my thinking of that nickname hillbilly Kobe yeah so country's perfect sneaky sneaky sneakie sneakie what sneaky athletic there you

plays the game the right way yeah brawny James oh don't set them up Laker face there we go Laker face is perfect Anthony Davis Brow Dominant Underrated He's like Getting recognition for the first time

Like six years Like I feel like people would like People think he was asked for this few years When he's injured a lot Like I feel like his legacy will be Remembered Like I feel people won't realize how good he was It's definitely on it's on the open up

Yeah yeah finally finally But I feel like history is gonna remember him In a damn people these days Don't know how good he was type of thing yeah and when the lights were on him at the highest moments he was always hurt outside of 2020 and it's like that when you're a second option too at your peak like you're not going to be remembered as fondly as someone who's a first option yeah hi me hakes i'm so racist you know what i'm gonna say but i can't say it

mexican yeah he's old old he's just old long everybody has been talking especially with like connect this week everyone's like this is where you draft older older prospects they're better and it's like stupid areas like yeah he can score 11 points in year one he's also going to score 11 points in year two and three and four and it's like nevertheless but he's not Mexican king he's the only one I've seen in the NBA my fandom dunk latino king we're hyphenating them yeah Janus brolic long fake fake fake what the fucking by Janus you want to say that to his face we didn't bring yonison no he's right thing down the street with me in chicago right you're

looking at the ceiling freak just brolic just that's that's the best word yeah he is a freak he is yeah you're right the branding Nike you just snap you get the perfect branding because that's how you can describe him forever on the court and also off the court correct he's consistent yep yep goes both ways ched homgren what's the word for chet Abraham I was going to say Abe okay uh versatile I think OD hangfuls versatile is good is unicorn I think I think Chet's an actual like

No I'll say helpful he's just good for ever to be a very helpful player on any team He's that like everybody's life gets easier which at home wins presence yeah I agree It's a swell guy. I like that. Looks out for his teammates. Jared McCain. Smiley. Happy.

He's the happiest guy in the world. Dancer. Just, what's the word? It's like a fucking positive energy. Just a joy. Sunshine. He's a pocketful of sunshine. That's all he is.

Him and Tyree's Maxi. And they're on the same team? Double Sunshine? Never had a bad day. Exactly. How could you have a bad day? They just be having a smiling content. see who breaks first

smiling contest going sunshine for sunshine it's crazy and that's the last one and that's the end of this episode if people are so here what should they comment ooter

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