The Deep 3 Podcast - We Power Ranked Every NBA Team | Ep. 63

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

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As you'll see you from the title, today we're taking a step back and observing the whole league from a top-down perspective and given our first power rankings of the season. You know, the first few weeks of the season, a lot of our analysis is based on preconceived notions coming into the season what we expect it from teams. Because you can't learn, you don't learn so much from a five-game sample size. But now we're going to look back and purely based on. things based off what teams have done in the first 10 games of the season and admit where we were wrong. And man, I don't know why y'all, I was wrong about a lot of shit this year. Yeah, no, I was, I was, I was wrong to. I'm going to say, I was, but I don't, here's the thing. I feel like, and once I, like, write it down, I'm probably more wrong about, like, more

things. But I think that I was just wrong about, like, things just loudly. Like, that's exactly. Same. You know, I think I was just loudly wrong. Yeah. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I feel. like this is one of my worst years of predictions, but that's mostly because there's a few things that we stood very hard on, the Timberwolves, that we were just wrong and shit about. Scotty Barnes, we were just wrong and shit about. But a lot of the things did go. Like, no, we called the Patriots being good, stuff like that. But again, we're going to give our power rankings 1 through 30. And for me, it's based on purely this season, no preconceived notions and what we thought coming

into the year. But also, I'm keeping some context into it. Like, I'm not going to put the sun at like 20th, even though they have the 20th best record, because they've been hurt and I'm going to give them, you know, not necessarily the past, but I know once they have Booker for an elongated period of time, they're going to be better. Stuff like that. I'm going to apply some context. It's not going to be just like the records, you know what I mean? You're nicer than me. I'm sorry that. Oh, man. Yeah, man. But right before we get into this episode, we have to go ahead and remind you guys about the Christmas giveaway. Listen, it could happen by Christmas or have been at Valentine's Day. Really depends on when you want it to happen.

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of course yeah he you got to leave a like it's so important that he had to say it twice it's what's what you can do for us facts you got to do it twice use a main and a burner yeah man let's get into these power rankings The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. I think we, obviously, we're going to start from 30 and move our way down. And I think for these first five, or first 10, I should say, let's just run through it real fast because, you know, it's the worst teams in the league.

I think we'll review all of our teams at once. And now it's on the screen. All right, cool. Where? All right. out to you guys because there's one team that like them that one of us has that the other two

don't yeah okay well let's say I'm out loud for the audio listeners because not everybody's watch on YouTube for me at 30 I have the Washington Wizards at 29 the Pistons 28 the Trailblazers 27 the Memphis Grizzlies and 26 the Spurs all right at 30 I have

the San Antonio Spurs 29 29 I have the Pistons 28 I have the Grizzlies 27 I have the Wizards, and then 26, I have the Blazers. Nice. So at 30, of course, I have the Wizards. At 29, it's a sweep. I got the Detroit Pistons, 28, the Blazers, 27, the Spurs.

And at 26, I am the only one who adds the Chicago Bulls there. And, of course, this is applied with some context of the recent news revolving around Zach Levine. So what do you all think of them? They're going to blow it up pretty soon. Yeah, obvious thing right here. Yeah. Listen, I don't have much An opinion about these bottom five teams

If I'm being real with you I think Donovan is a spurge really low I get it They have the 30th ranked defense They are ass They have no point guard They're horrible

I honestly don't know why I have them higher I think it's fine I just I had to put the wizards On the bottom because I think They're a front to basketball I think we watch them play And it's looking like you're watching a team That's not trying

But not in a normal I'm trying to tank for a high pick way In a I disrespect the league way It's gross. No, it's awful. They definitely seem like a money laundering operation. 100%. 100, right?

But the Spurs have lost nine straight games. And it's like nobody else. Well, actually, no. Detroit's done that. That's why they're at 292. But if it wasn't for Wembe and the hype around them, I think like San Antonio would easily be 30 for everybody around the league. But they've had a couple fun games, right, to start the season.

They're kind of decent. That's worn off for me. Now when I watch them, it's like, why am I watching this team? Because they're not good. This convos is about who has the least amount of motion, and it easily has to be the Washington Wizards. Like, who in you're right? Mine would be like, yo, it's a Friday night. I ain't got no people to be around.

No. Hose. Let me go ahead and watch the Washington Wizard. You sick man. Yeah. I said people first when I was even like, you thought about not saying it. Screw it. Oh, let me say.

Let me be real. He was like, no, I'm glad to fly. But, yeah, man, there are disgrace to basketball, like you said. The only good thing about the organization right now is like, I guess Kyle Kuzmi putting that shit on in Bilal Kulabali. He's an interesting ass rookie. But other than that, it's like, bro, gross. I just saw Denny of the Dias shoot like 6 for 18 on a random Wednesday or Thursday night.

The fuck am I doing my life. Revaluate yourself. And that's why the wisdom deserves to be at 30. But other than that, I'm off this top five or bottom. I mean, they suck too. The spurs suck too, but you realize the Grizzlies are 2 and 9 and the pistons are 2 and 10? Like, I just, they're so bad and so incompetent right now that, like, I had to put the spurs above them. I probably should have put the Grizzies above the spurs just because a running theme on my list you'll see is I don't, I try not to ding teams too much because they're just missing players and because they're injured.

I tried to be like, maybe they're playing well despite that, but like, let's say the Suns, for example, I think I said earlier. yeah they're giving some benefit for the doubt you could say that for the grizzlies you know they're gonna be better but listen i don't got to give job better for the doubt because he got himself fucking suspended so i was like listen they're they're trash right now they've been nothing but trash they got to be below the spurs and i fell away about the other teams too like the trailblazers are missing a lot of guys even with those guys back i think they would still be bad yeah yeah that's okay that's fair well i want to know like obviously like you said earlier that you put them you put the bulls in here because of like the news that's been swirling around the being like you think

that they're going to blow them up is that like the only reason why they're in the bottom fire for you or is just everything else that you're seeing yeah i mean i'm assuming it's it's both it's both i'm assuming that they're going to go ahead and blow it up i did we just saw uh Alex caruso trade rumors coming from shams 10 plus teams are interested into him and so like with those some of their best players some of those important players being up in the moon for sale like they have to be one of these bottom five teams. And then on top of that, listen,

a propaganda that I was pushing or a situation, conversation that I was pushing was Patrick Williams. Man, oh man. I thought he was good. I thought he didn't have a chance. And although what I still said

in my over idea that I was trying to push on to you guys, still remains the same for hella NBA players or for that one specifically. He is not good. He got demoted to the bitch. And he still showed like 30-some percent.

my ass. You would trick. The argument was if Patrick Williams should be on a team that gives him more touches. And I was like, no, he doesn't deserve touches. He has to be a good 3-&D player first. That man is averaging 6.3 points per game on 27% from the 3, 32% from the fields, 3.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists. That's your man.

That's your man's both? No. I'm not going to bull saying. God, let's move on to the next. It can be sad. That's great, man. But yeah, there's not too much to say about these bottom five teams. We all have relatively the same guys on here.

I guess who does Moe? Oh, so you have the Grizzies higher. Sure, I guess. I don't know how you could put the Grizzies above the Bulls. The gris is there two and nine. The only reason why I did was because, you know, going back to, I'm not going to ding them too hard because of missing players. I know the Memphis Grizzies will literally be better once John Moran enters that facility.

So I know there'll be, I know it'll be better than, you know, I'm saying, this top, this top, this bottom five range. Okay. All right. As we want into the next five. Again, we're revealing this next. five all at once because we're going to try to get through these as fast as possible to really dissect the top 20 my 25 through 21 I have the jazz at 25 hornets at 24

bulls at 23 clippers at 22 surprising but you know they got to be low and at 21 I have the raptors okay all right I also have the jazz at 25 also have the hornets at 24 I have the pelicans of 23 the clippers at 22 and they have the bulls at 21 okay back-to-back clean sweep I also have the 25 of the Utah Jazz again back-to-back clean sweep 24 Charlotte Hornets 23 the Brooklyn

next maybe I had them way too low but we can we can talk about that a little later the grizzlies 22 I have the Toronto Raptors and 21 the Grizzlies you're bugging

21 Grizzlies I am taking the two and nine so many things into consideration. So many things into consideration. And I know the grisers of 209, Jaron Jackson Jr. doesn't look that good. Marcus Smart, he just got hurt. God damn it. So it's like, there are the trenches right now. But at the same time, I know they wouldn't be this bad if the job was there. So I'm taking that into consideration. I mean, like,

and that always not. So I'm like, I have to, I have to value those two things. Whatever. Okay. To say that they're better than the nine teams in the league is. wild right now. Yeah, especially the Nets. Nets got really disrespected because the Nets are the seven seats. Yeah, they're the seven C but like for no reason. Like I don't know for a good reason. The Nets are just like they're easily the most confusing team in the NBA because they have like a certain archetype of a bunch of players and they're just straight up good in there.

Every, every preconceived notion that you have about the Brooklyn Nets before the season started, scratch that shit. They're the complete opposite of what they actually are. they're the eighth offense in the league right now what the fuck who do you have to make that valid I don't know man Dean Whitty's been cooking especially now that Ben Simmons is out which I guess we got to talk about

another back injury for him he's back out with a I think a nerve injury in his lower back I think he might be cooked physically he might be on Brandon Roy timing we'll see sad for him but because of that Spencer Dinwiddie was cooking last game Cam Thomas is out right now but he looks like a star

score for them for the first couple weeks of the season McHale Bridges McHale Bridges Cam Johnson is back, who, you know, stress 4, really good player. Nick Claxton's coming back. Like, that is a recipe that doesn't sound good. But when you put all the pieces together, they got spacing, they got penetrators,

they got lob finishers. They shoot hello threes and make hell of threes. It works. Let's see if they can keep this up. Although they are the top eight, the top eight. Nah, I'm just saying like, yeah, they're number eight in fucking offense. Like, congrats, you know what I'm saying?

Some of the worst teams have had reached same feats early in the season that doesn't move me necessarily do this in game one room like 20 games 30 games in the season then I'm gonna give you your props right now I can't okay I mean listen I'm I'm Isaac right I'm gonna give the nets their prop because this is exactly what we thought they were gonna be in the first place like we all thought that the nets would be like somewhere around the playing they're doing better right now so shout out to y'all even they're actually way better than I thought I thought they'd be kind of crap I thought there'd be like 12 C or like 11 C's like decent is but like I didn't think they'd be in

competitive competitive to be like a winning record like this so they surprised me I was I was a little wrong about them apparently what's their exact record are they like 7 or something like six and five six five yeah the biggest shock for me is them being this good without Ben Simmons making the resurgence that at least Isaac and I thought that he was going to be making you know he was actually pretty good I thought he was looking like I mean so I my hot take which is obviously just for the hot take episode I don't really believe it 100% was that he'd be their best player better than the season. But

he was good for what you'd want from somebody who's clearly passed their prime physically. I thought he was playing pretty well before the back injury came around. Six, seven points per game is not enough for me. Back in, listen, he's Ramon Green at this point in his career. It's not going to be a score like that. Yeah. 6.5 is the best

you can hope for. But let's talk about more of these themes. Obviously, we all have the jazz at 25. Fair enough. They're not trying to win. 24, we have the Hornets. That's the team I was wrong about for now, because Miles Bridges is coming back, sadly, but he'll make them better. He should be playing for team Rikers, but I digress. He's going to make them better.

But I said they were going to be like the nine seed, a competitive team. They can still turn it around, but man, have they been crap? Do you all have an opinion as to why? There's been a lot going on when it comes to their lineup. Gordon Hayward, Brandon Miller, and Terry Rozier have been in and out. just constant flux, you know what I'm saying? And at the start of the season two, Lamello Ball was putting on his best impression of

the Angelo Ball just wasn't doing a whole lot of nothing. Bricks, stealing money from the Sharadournish organization. Leave Leangelo. He hasn't done anything. Lamello's turned the fuck up since then, and he's been hooping his ass off, you know? So I expect them to be... Yeah, exactly.

So I expect them to be better. But if they don't end up being better, I still think this is like a safest range. for them. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think right now, like, without Miles Bridges is kind of where I expected them. The push that I thought that they were going to make this year was because Bridges was coming back. And so, like, he obviously, like, he hasn't been here. And so, I mean, I'm very interested in their next 10 games. And once they get some, once they get some more scoring, like, if they stay here at this level, then it's going to be kind of concerning. But the teams

above them in the East, like, like, look, Brooklyn is six and five. and then the seven seat. It's not, obviously three and seven is not where you want to be, but it's not like getting into the playing range is incapable at this point

of the season. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. And honestly, you can win three straight games and it'd be five. And honestly, do you profile this team

as somebody building around lamello ball, you have Terry Roger next to him as another good offensive guard, you have some interesting forwards at PJ Washington, Sunby Miles Bridges, Brandon Miller is a rookie.

A lot of good scores, right? Do you think they'd be a solid offense that'd be what carries them? And they haven't. did the 11th offense in the league right now with lamella ball having a slow start the problem is they're dead last in defensive rating with 120 defensive rating ridiculous that obviously has to change you know they have mark will mark williams that's the name right the center yeah i don't know why i thought it was wrong for a second maybe the rim protector the future clearly hasn't

been enough i'm looking at the numbers right now they actually part of it may be bad luck because teams are currently shooting 39.5% 3% of 3 against them. Yeah. Which is, you know, a lot of times teams start the year having crazy good shooting luck on defense and make someone the best defense in the league

and we got to be like, relaxed teams are going to start in 3s against them. But maybe it's the opposite for the Hornets. Maybe they're just being really unlucky because that's pretty ridiculous. The next team is 36%. So they might just be unlucky. And I think that's what it is.

Yeah. And they're also, maybe never know, never mind. One more number. They're 29th and half quart off. I mean, Capcoor defense. That's the problem. I digress. I digress.

It makes sense, right? I feel like La Mello Ball's defense has been very unimpressive this year. Yeah. Listen, every alert, every red flag needs to be blown when you let the Washington Wizards drop 132 points on your head. There's issues. Look, the brunch boys are some scores. All right, they hit they're getting shots up. All right. Kuzman pool.

They're going to, they're going to chuck. They also give up the most transition points in the NBA on defense. So they don't get back on defense. They don't do well when they do get back in the half court. They're just bad all around. Yeah, that's an inspiring. Yeah. But, you know, kind of expected from a young team, but I'm not sure I have faith that I'll turn around.

So if that doesn't, then the whole idea of me thinking they can be like a nine seat or so, that's out the window. A team that's not young to turn the page, a team that's not young that I want to conversate about a little bit. So the Los Angeles Clippers, why are they at 22 for you guys? Before I give my opinion, Donovan, the end of the last episode, you told people to comment, Clippers Slander is coming. At that point, there were 0 and 3 and you were like, listen, I'm watching. Now they're 0 and 5.

Donovan, I want you to ISO. I'm going to move a mic away from me. This is Donovan time. ISO, no, these dudes suck, man. And I love it. And I love that. I really do. They, listen, James Harder has come in and ruin the vibes of yet another team.

And it's crazy because they, and this was, this was something that, like, all of us had on our radar. And it was something that was, like, very apparent in the Nuggets game the other day where they were making this comeback. They were knocking down all these threes. And, like, Russ is playing really well. And then you bring, you bring James back into the game, Russ goes on the bench, and everything just looks clunky. And it's like, yo, what is going on here? They are, they are losing, they are currently losing all the minutes when James Hart

is on the floor, they win the minutes when he's off the floor, and you leave every game, at least in the first six games, thinking, are they better off not making this trade and just keeping everything that they were doing and letting Russell Westbrook, letting Paul George, who was cooking at the start of the year, keep doing what he was doing, letting Kauai get into his mode. And the answer is probably yes. And it's like, James Hardin comes in, he's like, oh, I'm still not in shape. We'll see how long that takes. They don't know what rotation, to play. They're too small. They don't have anybody to do the nitty-gritty, dirty work. And you might have just messed up whatever rejuvenation that you got out of Russell Westbrook. So, yeah,

listen, the Clippers did what they always do. And they messed up. They squandered a very good opportunity to be kind of solid. And so I hope that they keep losing. And this is fantastic. This last week of basketball has been one of my favorite weeks of Clipper basketball. Since the week that they've blown the 3-1 lead, I've never enjoyed Clipper basketball more than right now. When James Hardin is on the court, the Clippers have a 105.6 offensive rating would be dead last in the NBA by a wide margin.

When he's on the court, remember I said that the Hornets had a 120 defensive rating and I was like terrible? Yeah. When James Hardin is playing, the Clippers have a 125. dude i thought he was supposed to be the system instead of being the system this sounds like he's a system error system error systematic impression uh like whatever you want to call it he is he is the worst thing to happen but honestly sitting down and seeing what their big brother has done with someone like austin reeves you know like they're putting him on the bench yeah putting him on the bench

and letting him cook off there and figure shit out if james hardin did have such a huge ego and all this, I don't want to say baggage behind him or whatever, but if James Harden didn't have such an ego, I think honestly the Hornet or the Clippers would be better off having him come off the bench. But I know that that would just cause so much friction and he would just be OD unnecessary if that would be the case. Someone said someone like Russ has to come off the bench, which I don't think is necessarily the best for the entirety of their team. Something like Paul George and Cobbite Leonard and speaking of Cobbite Leonard, since James Hardham in there, he's been looking like Rudy.

gay man you know what I'm saying so it's like it's all messed up over there it's all messed up yeah I definitely don't think James Hardin to come off the bench because I feel like when you make a trade for him he's up this team can only succeed if they can get James Hardin to work if they can find an idealized version of this core that works so I feel like if you punted on him to the bench well like you said ego it's never going to happen even if he would be down I just think that limit your ceiling you have to find a way to make it work or else you do my you might as I'll blow the fucking team up. I don't even think that it'll limit your ceiling.

Of course he can play like closing minutes. I just think like him coming off the bench, he will be the best six man. He won six men in the year or before, but he'll be the best six man as possible. Why don't have Russ do that? Why not have Russ do that? Because James Hardin is better.

That's why he'll be better at that. So why would you have Russ off the bench if he's better? While I have Russ off the bench. For fit. Yeah. I think, I think like, you're worse fit. You've all.

No. He's not. Did you not see what? How he, how he had Kauai and Paul George playing at the start of the season? Let me. You can't say he's a worst fit off in that. Now that this land is not the way, let me be devil's advocate. They're going to be fine long term.

They've put together for a few games. James Harden didn't have a training camp, didn't have a preseason. Because of his own volition because he wanted to hold out and force his way out. So not to give him a pass, but that's why he's out of shape and looks like shit right now. That's why he's not moving on defense doing anything. That'll improve. It improved in the last game against the Nuggets. They almost beat them.

We actually saw them. moving off ball, making threes, and, like, not just standing looking at each other. And honestly, it's not just that Hardin has been bad. It's not just his fault. No, why Leonard has been trash. Yes. Have you all seen Kawhi Leonard's numbers? Yes.

Kaui Leonard has not been good for his standards at all. He's shooting 37% from midrange. Usually he's at around 49%. He needs to be better and play like a superstar. Because right now, it's Paul George, looking like the best player in the team. Kauai Leonard looking like a shell of himself and James Hardin trying to fit in. while Russell Westbrook is a square peg that's trying to do his best, but listen, there's only so many balls to go around and he's the fourth least talented player there, it's going to be better, but it's not just his fault. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure. Yeah. It's not his fault whatsoever. I think with all that context put into place, hardened being ingrati into this brand new whole system and also him having to play into game shape, it would be so much easy to at least have him start off coming off of the bench like immediately. You know what I'm saying? Maybe as.

The season goes on, you can toy with certain things, whatever, but just throwing them into the fire and be like, figure this shit out after they got off to a pretty good start. It just logically makes more and more sense. But of course, I'm using that with hindsight, obviously. So I think they'll be fine overall at the end of the day, you know. Okay, so we say they'll be fine because they'll be better than like 0 and 5, obviously. Yeah.

But what's fine that look like? Like, can they be a contender with this? I mean, there's a reason to doubt that they can't be a top tier team. Like, you could say that the ceiling isn't quite there. maybe it'll never work, especially because Ty Loo just said that he has no intention of bringing Russell Westbrook off the bench. They're going to rock with these four and try to make it work. Is that ceiling still there? No, it's not. I don't think it's there. I think that, I think when you look at, like, if you think that top three is, or top four is kind of like the ceiling for them,

and you go down the list of teams in the Western Conference, are they, are they better than Denver? No. Are they better than Minnesota? No. Would you take them over Oklahoma? Oklahoma City. No, would you take them over Sacramento? No. Like, there's, there's a, there's a handful of teams that I would easily say no and then you get into a bunch of conversations about, like, whenever they start clicking and doing stuff like this. But if, I expect Kauai Leonard to play better. Obviously, like these, his, his level of play has been very, very bad. But the fit and the issues that they have right now, I think when you bring James Hardin into the building, like he said, I'm the system. And Moe, Mo said it jokingly, but it's,

actually real, like he brings those systematic issues to your offense. And I don't think that that's something that just goes away because we haven't seen it go away in his entire career, especially this last, you know, three, four years. Yeah. So, no. I'm just concerned that is Kauai going to be able to get on track when, I feel like the problem that people point out is obviously it's quick to jump to James Hardin that his system doesn't work here. I feel like Kauai's system might not work with James Harden in a way that we kind of assumed it would because he's capable of playing off ball. You know, he can shoot from the perimeter.

Theoretically, he can cut, but, like, he just doesn't do it a lot. And does he want to? And, you know, like, is he going to make that effort? And that's a major, major problem in terms of the fit where Kauai, and we're, what, 10 games into the season, I know for a fact that Kauai Leonard is going to miss 15 games for the rest of the year, minimum. vote, right? Is he going to want to do all the, all the things that you need people who play alongside James Hardin to do? And that's been something that, like, has been a factor in, like, all of their

career in Russell Westbrook's career, James Hardin's career, and now Kawhis, now that you have this other star, now that you have this other ball dominant person who can lead an offense at times, are you going to be willing to do the cuts? Are you going to be willing to, to captain's are you going to be willing to set screens to do all these to do all these things and if everybody's not doing it at a consistent level then i don't see where the ceiling of this team is to find continuity this year yeah man it's so hard for kawai too because like paul george is on a tear and the going away from him or deducting his touches is just would be the wrong decision to make you know what i'm saying i think that's why it's so hard and it's so like kind of clunky i think

the fit between those two already. It's good. It's fine. No, we'll say they're like one of the best fit synergy between the two is A1 because they are the same exact archetype of player. You know what I'm saying? So it's just hard. It's just hard. And like the thing for Paul George is that he is one of those players who can literally play with anyone in the NBA because of he can shoot, get to the mid range and also get to the paint with ease. And of course, Kaweiler can do those things, but he just does them in a different, a little bit slower and more methodical way. So when you add that alongside James Hardin and Paul George's there and Russell

Russell Westwood, there's so much shit going on. And Quiet Leonard just seems like the personality to just like, be like, cool. You know what I'm saying? I'm chilling until like the ball comes to me. And that's where the Rudy Gay effect comes in. You know what I kind of feel like? I kind of feel like if I'm their GM, I might have to trade Russell Westbrook. And it's not his fault at all.

For years, we said that the Clippers need a point guard because, like, Moja said, the fit between Paul George and Kauai is decent, but it's kind of Jason Tatum and Jalem Brownie, where they do the same thing and don't really playmake for others quite as well. They're better than those other two guys, but, you know, they needed that playmaking punch alongside them. They got it with Russ. We all said that Russ looked a lot better for them than he did the Lakers, and we saw the vision there of him kind of, you know, saving his career and giving this team a little bit

what they need. And then in a vacuum, you'd say the same thing about James Hardin. But now that they got both of them, it's kind of just like one too many cook. You know what I mean? Like it's like one more piece than they needed. When they needed one, now they got two. And they're not going to bench Russ because they've all put so much into the fact that I respect him and I want him to be a part of this core.

Tailu thinks it. Paul George Clit thinks it. Every time he's on the pod, he's talking about that. Kauai probably messes with Russ a lot. They're going to give him that respect. I think the GM might have to take it into his hands to eliminate one of these problems to do the whole Ewing theory, less is more thing. that might have to be what happens such a shame so yeah it's not a fault at all it's such a shame

because he he went there at the lowest point of his career and started doing the stuff that they needed him to do and like really revitalized kind of the public image of himself and now they're just gonna you know ship him out for james they probably won't they probably i don't think i don't think they will and so i'm just talking about like in theory i think that would be extremely detrimental to to the vibes of the clippers which probably right now you're right already like You're right. That's Paul's orders. Maybe they shouldn't do it because of that.

Exactly. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they shouldn't do that because of locker room issues. That would just like send a bad message to a team that honestly is on the verge of exploding if it doesn't go well this year. So maybe I'm wrong in that way. But, you know, if they're not going to bench them and they're trying to make this work, maybe inevitably, Tailu will realize like we have to bench them because like there's

no other way we've invested so much in a hard end. You can't bench Hardin. But I'm not entirely confident this four is going to make sense long term. I don't think so either. It's time for Tailu. listen hit that hit that piece on sending your resignation by all-star break you can be somewhere you want to be by next year you can be on a beach you don't have to deal with this time you don't you deserve better and this is a this is a very tough spot from the to coach it

so yeah it's very tough for any coach this is a hard situation to make work and right now the the gym is the gym is the frustration and all they can do is just a find pieces around whether it be in free agency free agency like they did with Daniel Tice and just pick him up because they need some type of big body though he's not really a big body but he's a decent player you know what I'm saying and so that's all that you can do at this point in time and these players on with Tailu are just going to have to figure this shit out exactly we'll see if they can but I think it's I think that's enough Clippers talk we got we had to give a rant

about him we had to talk about it I think we finally move on to the top 20 where things get interesting. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're starting with Mo. Talk us through your first five, Mo, here in the 20s. All right. So at number 20, I have the New Orleans Pelicans at number 19, Yolando Magic, a number 18. I almost had a stroke, but half they win a Hawks. 17, the Houston Rockets, and 16, the Knicks. I'm not going to lie, man. I think I think you I think your list sucks. I'm not going to lie. Tell me why do you think it sucks. The Rockets at 17, Come on. Yeah, the Rockets have been great, but

I have the Rockets top 10. I'll just spoil my list. Ooh, top 10, your list is a horrendous as fuck, if you have them at top. It's really not. It's based off this year. I understand that it's based off of this year, but you have to also take consideration

what actually happened within those 10 games and who they played. Okay. And if you look at who they played, they played Deer Fox twice. Uh, my bad, not DeNor Fox twice. They played a King's team without DeNor Fox twice. They also played an AD less.

Lakers, you know what I'm saying? True. They played the Denver Nuggets. They got a fucking great win against them. I was without Jamal Murray. I give them kudos to that. They did exactly what they should do. But I'm not warranting them.

Because of those wins, I'm not letting them be top fucking 10. You know what I'm saying? No, I know. I gave them Kudos. You said they do what they should do. They should not beat the nuggets. They should not beat the Nuggets.

That's a great win. Without Jamal Murray immediately, like, of course they shouldn't beat the Nuggets or whatever. You're still playing Yokits. Yeah, you're playing Yokits. I understand that. They lost one game since Jamal Murray went out. It doesn't matter.

I know. I know. But I see what you made. The strength of schedule isn't amazing. I get it. Exactly. I get it. I think 17's a bit low even with that.

But I understand. I thought the same thing. That's why I put them lower. Like, they're the four seed in the West. I don't have them as like the sixth best team because of that reason. So I'm with you. I just think 18's a little bit low still. Like, I mean 17.

Like the Knicks over them, like, I don't understand that. But outside of that, I respect the rest of this list. You have to hawks lower than me. Tell me why. Look at Trey Young's shooting percentage and then that'll be here. Right. All right. All right.

You know what I'm saying. They're taking the turn to pessimism with this team. That's interesting. I mean, like. He gave up on Trey Young three games. Everything, no, everything pretty much is working for this team. And the potential is maximizing. Quinn Snyder has been doing almost everything perfect.

He's not the perfect coach, but he's a pretty damn good coach, and you can't really have any complaints. And if Trey Young was playing at peak Trey Young form that we saw, not last year because actually it was asked, but the year before last year, you know what I'm saying? This team would be probably a top three seed in the Eastern Conference right now and be sitting at seven and three, you know what I'm saying?

But instead, Trey Young's over here shooting 35% from the field and 27% from the three-point line. and I think the main thing with him is that he's trying to figure out to work this offense while also going through his own shooting rules and the shooting goals specifically being his floaters and scoring the paint. It's absolutely horrendous and it's been horrendous since last year and he has to figure out that whole spiel.

So, that's what he's going to do a lot. That's what made him good was his floaters and his three-point shooting off the dribble. And right now I'm from floater range 37%. Two years ago was 47%. Even last year was 47%. from 3 28% right now listen last year we said

he was in a shooting slump and we were like he'll be fine how many more games until this isn't a slump and because of that I don't know yeah do you do you do you all remember

when Mova's like oh yeah like Trey Young's one of the five best shooters one of the 10 best shooters of all time and we're like hey like pump the brakes and this is this is why this is why it's not a you want to hear some interesting numbers it's weird we get Trey on credit

being a great shooter, right? Because before last year, he was a sniper. He was great. Let me go season by season and tell you his non-corner threes. First year, rookie year, you know, he's bad. We all knew he started slow.

32% non-corner threes. That's fine, he's a rookie. Year two, he got a lot better, right? 34% from non-corner threes. But he shot 62% from corners so that brought the percentages up. Yeah. Year three, 33% on non-corner threes.

Year four is when he had a good year, 38% on non-corner threes. Then last year, back down in 34, this year, 28. He's at one season in his career where he shot above average percentage on non-corner threes. Are you telling me that Triang is a corner merchant? I'm saying he's maybe just not that good of a shooter and he just looks like he is because he takes a lot of them.

And at a certain point, you got. Okay, let me stop you there. It's not that he's not that good of a shooter. He takes not that good looks all the time because he's so tricker happy and he doesn't realize at times, yo, I'm 5-11. And so that makes you into a bad. That makes him a bad shooter. No, it doesn't.

It's not deducting the skill. It's the actual, it's the actual. Hey, both matter. Both matter. Exactly. But one thing is not the other. I think when you talk about somebody being a good shooter, it has to be shot selection

and ability to make those shots. If he can make them in a world where he was a more aware of what he could make and took the right shots, then he'd be a good shooter in that fantasy world. In this reality, where he takes certain amounts of shots from certain amounts of areas,

is it doesn't make any of him he's a bad shooter yeah what makes this worse yeah what makes his worse is that everyone else de jonté murray is having the best season of his fucking life this is the peak version of jontay murray um jalen johnson is fucking like i said a couple podcasts ago he's lebron james basically obviously not really he's been absolutely insane he's mip candid immediately bro he's been free from the shackles of mate mcmillan and man i got some stories to tell everyone, man, just real quick, back when there was the COVID days, bro, you guys know there was an NBA player by the name of Cat Barber who existed. Nate McMillan chose to play him over Jalen Johnson.

The Duke recruit. I'm not going to lie to you. First overall pick. I don't know who. I'm not going to lie to you. Who the fuck is Cat Barber? That's a real NBA player name, bro. I watch a lot of basketball.

I watch a ton of basketball. I've never heard that name. I know who the name exists, bro. Cat Barber. Never heard it. That's how bad it was. Of Cat Barber? Please show with Cat Barber.

Is this spelled like cat like the animal? C-A-T, I believe. C-A-T, straight up cat barber. Cat-barber. Like he cuts cat hair. Cat-barber. That man right there. Nate McMillan decided to play that man instead of Jalen Johnson.

That's how bad it was. Cat-barber sounds like a kid's show like, like Paw Patrol. If you're giving animals jobs. Man. It was that bad. It was that bad. But Jen & Johnson is a great. player.

Hey, Shadow Cat Barber. He got his time in the NBA. Nate McMillan has a special spot in hell. That is a true gospel of every alight of Hawksman. That's even a bit much.

He's been a bad basketball coach. Zero points per game. This is Pepe Sanchez. No, don't disrespect Pepe. Don't respect Pepe. My bad. My bad. He got a good, too.

Exactly. Let's be one. Let's reveal the next five. in this two. We got Donovan. All right. At 20, I have the Toronto Raptors. 19.

I have the Orlando Magic. 18, I have the Phoenix Suns. 17, I have the Cleveland Cavaliers. 16, I have the Los Angeles Lakers. Where do you want to start? Lakers and Sons. And Cavs. Okay.

Okay. I have the Cavs in range, too. Moe has some higher. Oh, yeah, just review my next five. Okay. At 20, I have the Pelicans. 19, I have the Nets. 18, I have the Cavaliers.

17 the Magic and 16 the Knicks I don't have you have the sons and you have the Lakers here we both have them higher tell us why I well the Lakers

I feel like the Lakers at 16 are fine like they're just like a regular team their record is is fairly regular they haven't been amazing they've they've you know had some losses you know people have been out

and I don't know I'm just not impressed with with the with the lakers um austin reves yeah you know also rees hasn't been the same as as last year they've had to do a lot of shuffling ruy also hasn't been the same as like the playoff ruy that everybody like thought what's going to happen um and like i think i think that they are going to get better right i don't think that they're going to stay in this range but the one thing that is concerning for me is the fact that lebron it looks like lebron has to do more than ever right now and that's kind of concerning long-term.

But, like, they're, they're an okay team. I don't think that they're top 10. I think they have a lot of stuff to work on, but they're just mid right now. Yeah, I agree. But, like, on a decent side of mid. Yeah, I get them Ben for the doubt. They're clearly the next tier for me.

I don't have them top 10 either. Coming to the season, I think we all would have had them lower half a top 10. They're below that now, but I did the same thing with the Suns where they played good enough. They're both around 500, but they had a ridiculous amount of injuries

so I didn't expect them to play like a top 10 team so I'm not going to hold them against them entirely like have they been the 16th best team in league this year but then sure that's fair probably yeah but they've also listened really missed a ton of time Vando hasn't played a single game Gabe Vincent played three games and is out for a month

Jackson Hayes missed a lot of time missing one more am I thinking of I can't remember but there was a point where they're missing four or five rotation players and had to just get it out of the mud And they got enough wins out the mud Where I respect them for playing good enough With the hand they were dealt It's impossible to be good

When you're missing five rotation players Out of your top 10 No team would ever be good in that circumstance And like, okay, look like And again, I get it I think that they're gonna be better But there's other teams in the league Who have also had like a couple of you know

Either just more impressive wins Or they just haven't dealt with injuries And it's not their fault right It's not the lake's fault that everybody's hurt So this is that's why I have them at like in this tier and everybody else I kind of feel just

just looked a little bit more impressive than what they had. I did the same thing with the Suns so I just made a concert effort to not let myself hold teams accountable for not accountable, wrong word to not deem teams too much for injuries but that's just me one

because I've always been like that I think people overreact way too much to injuries but I understand if you're not doing that if you're strictly going off of what happened this year which I guess is the true spirit of a power rankings. Yeah. You're probably right But listen, I think it's, I'd rather add context and try to give a little bit of thought on what I think really matters to me.

Yeah, exactly. But I get it. 110% agree. Not too outlandish, but it's okay. So, oh, wait, Donovan, did you have the Knicks lower or are they higher? They're higher. Oh, okay. Okay, because you, no, I mean, I get it.

We have them on the fringe, but you put the Lakers and stuff down, so the Knicks go up. That makes sense. Yeah. Listen, we both have the calves here. The calves have been trash. They have been. Yes. Tell me about it.

Tell me about it. Well, listen, they're also another team that started off with a lot of injuries. Garland missed a ton of time. Jordan Allen missed a ton of time. And it's just they started off slow. They couldn't really maintain. They had, like, they've had some good moments when Garland and Alan are back. But we're still not seeing the offensive leap that we are hoping, like Evan Mowgli takes.

DeMitts has been, he's been good. He's been good. He's been great. He's been putting down there 30 a game. I need to see a little bit more from all of them as like, as a unit. Yeah. And once they start stringing together wins, then it'll be good. They did get a couple wins, a couple wins against the Warriors.

I don't know how great that looks right now, but it's okay. I can understand putting the calves this slow because, you know what I'm saying? Folks have been in and out and all that other stuff. But, again, I like to add context into the situation. But with people being in and out, and Donovan Mitchell has still been him, Evan Mobley, although you haven't seen that leap, he hasn't regressed to any sort so far this season at all.

And then on top of that, their free agent signing, specifically, Max Struce has been playing pretty well. And he's been the exact year that you want and need to take that next step. And right now, just all about the rest of those guys, getting up to par, up to speed, Jared Allen, and the court consistently,

and also Darius Garland, getting his footing right not turning the ball over i think he's averaging like an insane five turnovers a game some crazy like that and we all know that's just that's just not him so i think there's a combination of things going on right now and that's why i have them higher compared to where you guys have him at at 18 yeah i i want to give them the same benefit of doubt i gave to the lakers and sons in terms of like i think they'll be good they're just missing their core players but it's not i don't think it is just that i think they had just also been kind of shitty, even when their players are there, for a variety of reasons. Like you said, Gary Scarlin

hasn't been good at all, really, for what you'd expect from him. 6.2 assists, 4.8 turnovers. That's a pretty abysmal ratio. He's on Kate Cunningham time. Yeah. And for some reason, I haven't quite been able to figure it out myself watching them. Their team defense has ass. Like, Evan Mobley's still the level of defender he always has been, so it's not him. But I'm looking at their lineup data right now. Their most common, you know, they're most common, lineup is their starting lineup despite the amount of injuries. Garland, DeMitch, Max Shrews, Evan Mowgli, Jared Allen, 125 minutes together, I mean 125 possessions together. Decent sample size, nothing huge. It's over a 10th of their total possessions. They have a

119 defensive rating. That would be second worst in the NBA. Even with their best players, they are not a good defense when last year that was their calling card. They were a top three defense all year. They have to get that together or they're not going to hit. hit the expectations you'd expect from them and soon we're going to be having conversations about demetch leaving oh man first off that's we've been having these conversations because he's just like it's just very clear that he doesn't like love cleveland right yeah he he didn't want to go there in the first place wanted to be a nick but yeah they i mean you know i had to put that out there yeah yeah yeah but yeah i i i don't know 17 is 17 is very weird because i thought

that this team could sneakily be like one of the, not even sneakily. I thought that this team would be one of the best in the East and for them. And it could be. Hopefully. They need time to jail. But I mean, they're not defending well.

Do they need time to jail? Do you play the whole season? Like, I don't think that they're in the stage of their development where jelling should be on, like, the top of their mind. I just mean because Garland and Jared Island have missed time and they've been in and out and are clearly recovering from those injuries. Yeah. Jared Allen's been on a minister restriction, which has been hurting them. It's probably a good portion of why their defense has been show trash.

Like, he's a big part of that. And Garland has going through his issues that you think will iron out over time, right? Like, he's not going to, he's not going to be averaging five assists for the whole season. Yeah, exactly. Or five turnovers. Yeah, he's not going to be having five turnovers for the entire season whatsoever. So I saw him just like, this is the beginning of the season. You see the craziest shit and you see the most haywire numbers that don't really add a lot of context into these things.

And so I just, I'm just going to ignore that. atrocious defensive rating look at it for sure pay attention to it i'm not going to ignore it but i'm not running away from it i think it should be something to be ignored because there's been countless times and NBA history tells us that these 10 games starts don't mean a damn thing when you have an 82 game season you know what i'm saying yeah so it's like there's only so much you can only so much you can like you know i'm saying take into real account and run with if they had like elite rim defense that's good so the evan mobley uh uh uh Jared Allen pairing, it still makes sense.

The third in rim percentage allowed. Oh, never mind. I figured it out. It's just like the Hornets. It's a bad shooting look. Once again, teams are shooting 40% against them from three. Okay. Okay.

So that happens. There we go. It's a matchup base. Like, that's what I'm saying. It's like you can look at it. Maybe it's just a little bit. But it's not nothing to hone in on and like drive it home as a narrative. That's right.

Yeah. Sample size. That'll get into trouble. That'll recover. Okay. So that makes you feel a little better. I got to watch more. to figure out why what else because it's probably not just that but that's that that makes a big

difference shooting for you getting 40% of your threes made against you it's it's hard to recover from that you're going to lose 40% of three teams shooting your ass out and getting 40% of the reason against you and then there's Jared Allen in and out the lineup like we said again there's gar and there's a lot going on there and it's just there's a lot going on there and it's going to take a little bit time for them to get their strides running and what they do get them running they're i think donovan they still have the chance to reach your expectations yeah i hope so i hope so because i don't i don't think outside world well yeah the east is like outside of the top two spots i would say maybe i'm maybe i'm forgetting somebody off the top of my head but there's

there's some spots open at the top behind ball for sure and them how you feel about the magic i'll see y'all got them a couple spots lower than me i think me and don't know i remember how you felt mo we're really high on them coming into the season? I was, I think I was higher than you guys coming into the season. Okay.

So right now, we can go ahead and pull up the stats. So in our season prediction episode that we did a couple weeks ago, you,

Isaac had the Orlando Magic as the eighth seed. I had them as a ninth seat. So actually I lied. I was a little bit lower. Kapper. And then Donovan actually had them

as, whoa. Yeah, I believe you had them. in the playoffs. Yeah, you had them in the playoffs. I don't know where they are in your list, though. For some reason, not showing up here. Yeah, I'm supposed to be looking at it right now.

So 70s. All right, anyway, you probably had them the same range. Yeah, you probably had them in the same range. Oh, he had them. Right now, they're six and five, the nine seed. They just won on a game winning shot from Paloamank Carroll over the bulls yesterday where they were up by a million and then had a hit a game winning shot because they blew in the second half. And I think that's the story of this team. Right now,

in the first half, they have the best point differential. in the league. They are blowing teams down the first half, literally more than anybody in the league, literally more than Nuggets, literally more than Timberwolves, everybody. But in the second half, they have the worst point differential in the league. That's insane to be best and worst in each half. They're the literal best team in the league at building leads and the literal best team of league at blowing those motherfuckers. That's nuts. Yeah. These people are ridiculous. They also can't shoot to save their lives. And that's why they blow these leaves. Exactly. they can't they can't shoot the spacing the spacing on this team is one of the hardest things to

watching the league because nobody nobody on this team can can stretch the floor and so you just have palo and franz working into a whole bunch of clutter you got these guards that they're still trying to figure out which one of these point guards is going to be the the guard of the future and it's just it's clunky that's that's the only word that i can use is that their entire offense is clunky and it's not as smooth like franz franz hasn't been as good as we thought he would to start the season. I thought, you know, Palo had a rough start. I wonder if they're going to be able to, like, reach those expectations,

considering that, like, none of these guys can shoot. Like, they're going to have to make a move. 100%. They have to make a move. And that's going to, like, that's going to be in their near, near future. They want to really make a push this year because you have to allow those guys space to operate and really get everything going. you want to know something interesting by palo ben caro please don't me in the 11 games of this season

and the last 17 games of last season so 28 game sample size since march of last year essentially he's going to be gross he's shooting 40% from three on how many attempts for this season it's 3.2 okay which isn't a ton but it's not you'd like to get to more eventually but that's no it's not a tiny sample size yeah yeah i think it's pretty encouraging i think it's clear as day and also while while you're throwing out that's also the number what two defense in the NBA three that's not three defense in the NBA don't look too much into that because numbers are fucking volatile as hell right now let's check the shooting look with that being said love it Mark L. Fultz is their starting point guard and I think it's clear as ever probably that

he should be the odd man out nothing against Mark Lowe's he's been pretty good throughout the last what he's been on the land of magic for five years he's been in the for seven years that's crazy as hell you know what they can yeah yeah man he's been 17 2017 2017 draft yeah that's nuts dude that's crazy you get no like donovan do land magic do not have good shooting luck against them they're an actual real good defense they're 19th and three point shooting allowed so I think their defense is real okay I don't know if it's top three for real but whatever it shakes out to be they're matching up to our propaganda you We talked about they have no shooting.

They have no shooting because they have straight defenders. Like, Markle Fultz is big. Jaylon Sugg is a good defender. They have two big forwards. Wendell Carter got hurt. Before that, he's there. He's a solid defender. And they were, for most of the last season, especially the second half of the year,

they were a top 10 defense. So I can buy that they're making a legitimate defensive leap, which is why I gave them a little more credit than y'all did, because I think shooting can be figured out with a move with line-up configurations, but eventually they bench when these guys are talking about. but I think strong defenses is a really good building block to build off of

and I tend to give people credit for that because I think that's like I said a strong foundation that's consistent that's so that's fair given that that's fair when they make the move I will be more than happy

to move them up by list right but until then when you are bottom four or bottom five in the league in three point percentage you this is your range this is where this is a lot of life so

also they're six and five they're winning games I understand you're still like this is Again, this is power rankings, right? We're doing these rankings regardless. We're not regardless, but like the record is not the only thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of six and five teams or six and six teams. They just don't, they're not passing eye tests right now. Listen, if you watch Jalen Suggs, that'll tell you all that you need to know about the Orlando Magic, of course, Paula and all that too, but he's a, he's a huge factor into their success. I said last episode that every game that he played, to me it seems like he's fresh off of the line of coke he's just so energetic and he's so

I'm willing to do it all and I said during my X Factor's episode like if this dude can shoot what 35% or something like that from the three point line they'll be a lot better and he can solidify and lock down his spot because outside of that he does everything that you'd want your maybe fifth or fourth best player on on a team to do does all the dirty work he can handle the ball a little bit she's been shooting a little bit and he's a fucking insane defender and just does everything that you'd want. He's been shooting 33%. You can get that a little bit, a little bit higher.

You know what I'm saying? They'll be in good spot. And of course, if they make a trade for or trade away, Marka Falls to be straight. Yeah. Before we move on to the next category, we have to talk about the Pelicans a little bit. Because the other day in the media,

and I think after a practice, there was a clip. Zion Williamson was huffing and puffin, breathing like he's 4.50 pounds. That was the other one takeaway. But I did that. For a lot in there? but the real thing I thought was he said I'm trying to buy into the system you know it's been a little hard I'm trying to do my best he said we have a team meeting last year where people talked to me and said I need to do better and be a better teammate now I'm trying

to buy in and he said it like it's a struggle like he's struggling to buy it and that's the issue there I don't know what that means because what is he buying into he is his highest usage rate of his career but just hasn't quite looked as good it looks like he's I don't know if he's carrying too much weight if it's a conditioning thing if it's a injury's adding up thing but to me he doesn't look like quite the athlete he was last year and it's kind of concerning that's that's my that's my biggest takeaway is yeah for like when we've seen zion in the spurs that he's played every time he's been on the court it's just been like oh my god like look at look at what he's man's a god that's what i'm saying his second jump his was always like fantastic he's jumping over

everybody like you know nobody in the league is jumping with zion nobody wants to get in front of me and that's not necessarily like the case like it doesn't seem like he is as much of a like dominant jumper fearless fearless um like leper and stuff like that and like you said the usage rate you would think that with c j mccullum out now would be the time that zion's like okay i can i can step up and i'm just going to dominate and wreck the league and it's not It's not that right now. And they also have a lot of injuries that have, they've been playing,

playing them. Trey Murphy's been out. They need his shooting. They obviously, CJ. Yeah, obviously the CJ thing. They need his shooting, his playmaking. But for Zai,

that comment was also very big for me because now, now seems like the most perfect time for you to love the system, considering that it's all about you. Yeah. It's so hard to figure them out. Go ahead. Before last year, I think Mo said this a lot. He said his biggest issue with this team was just too many cooks.

Too many people need the ball. And it's just doing too much, too many cooks in the kitchen. But last year, we didn't see that really matter when Zion was healthy at least. Because every game, they had a guy who was playing at a legitimate MVP level. When you don't have that and you don't have the one guy who's also a cook but can shoot the three, C. I think he's their most important player fit-wise. You don't have that. And Zion looks regular.

and doesn't kind of give them that ceiling every game of being the best player on the court, you're starting to see what Moe was scared of, of them having too many cooks, none of guys that play off ball, none of spacing. Their offense is trash because of that. Moe was right.

No, yeah, you're absolutely, yeah, you're right about me being right, of course. But, yeah, the penalty is just sad because they're straight, they're an okay team, and Zion hasn't been fucking terrible, but we don't talk about Zion to be regular. Nothing should be regular about him. His efficiency shouldn't be down, you know what I'm saying?

He shouldn't be moving just a step or two slower whatsoever. They need him to be every bit of the superstar that everyone thought he was going to be coming out of this draft. And if he's not, then the Pelicans are just a meh product because the construction around him is just, it's good, but it's like, meh, you know what I'm saying? So the numbers are interesting. He's still, in terms of efficiency, he's still shooting at the rim just fine, I guess. he's shooting 67%. Last year was 69, you're before that 67. That's an elite number for a forward.

That's not an issue. But it's the amount of times he's getting to the rim. Last year it was 75% of his shots that were at the rim. You're before that 81%. That's an absurd amount. That's like damn near you're a lop threat. This year it's only 63%. And where that jump comes from now

is he's shooting a ton of shots from floater range. Up to 36% of his shots there. Last year was 21%. So an extra 15%, Which that just means to me Is that he can't get past his guy as much Or Honestly, it's probably

You know, his own thing He jumps at big men's face And kind of just goes at people Because he can jump higher than them And if we're saying It doesn't look like he's quite the athlete Doesn't quite the bounce He can't do that anymore

So he's taking short mid-range shots, floaters And he's fucking horrendous at those He shoots 28% on those He's awful He's no touch from the floater range So that's bringing all of his efficiency down That's a problem If you can't get to the room as much

and all you can do is score at the rim but you can't get there right now for whatever reason, that's kind of scary. That's a red flag. And to add context to that conversation too, it's a little bit of that. And then it's also like Yonis Valentine's being there.

Like, of course, Jonas, I think he attempts maybe like three max for three pointers per game. But that's not necessarily his thing. That's not his bag. No one will ever in their entire life label him as a shooter because that's not what he's made out to be. He's Yonis Valenuanus.

Get your big ass in a period. That's what we'd be doing most of the time. So Jonas Valenzhen is having another extra guy being around Zion Williamson, who is not, who appears to not be at peak form, is also an issue. So I think these things will, they might, you know, Zion can either just wake up and get his body, get his body in the shape 20, 30 games, the season or whatever. And all this conversation will mean nothing because he's just straight up him, the superstar. Or if he starts to struggle a little bit and maybe we don't. see that peak beerson is on and they might have to make some change is it his body he's carried a lot of weight before and it's been an issue he's never had this issue he's always

gone to the room at an insane amount even when he was at his biggest a couple years ago yeah but that was but that was three injuries ago like think like and that's that's that's actually crazy to think about is he's been in the league for five years and every single year that's been amazing injury so it's like at if he was what two years older than what he is right now and he's like 26, 27, and you've already had three injuries to your lower body, you would, I don't think you would expect him to be the kind of athlete that he is. And so for somebody, and I'm like, for somebody as big as he is to have the injuries that he already has on his body, it makes sense why he wouldn't necessarily be the same athlete.

So maybe. That's scary long term. Is that just going to be the thing? No, it is, it is scary. And I, I kind of think, I don't, I don't want to overreact. And I'm not, I'm obviously, like, not writing him off or anything. I will say my expectations for Zion are very tempered right now

they're very tempered I suck I like Zion a lot if he's not gonna I'll be very sad as a fan if we don't see Prime Zion anymore because what we saw started last year when he was legitimately looking like a top five player in the league for that span before he got hurt and I will feel so robbed as a fan

if we don't see that version of him again you might want to file a police report I hate injuries so much We're probably robbed We're probably robbed Yeah We can move on man Let's go

Let's go Let's be wanted to knock To the next five Let's get some positivity in here Mo who is your 15 through 11 Oh you're hating What? What

So I have the Indiana Pacers 14 The Sacramento Kings 13 the Clippers 12 the calves And at 11 The injurly riddled Phoenix Suns

Well, I'm going to let you know now You're going to get flamed in the comments for this How in the living fuck Could you put the clippers above the Pacers? Listen I am taking things with a grain of salt Slightly Them seeing how they battled

Against the best team in NBA The Denver Nuggets Gave me a lot of hope For them in their future Next few games they go again I think their schedule is a little bit Nice to them I could be wrong

But I believe that last time I checked, I believed it was nice to them. And seeing how they played just gave me a lot of hope that they'll be better. They could not be worse. Now, I could be completely wrong. They're the clippers. The worst happens to them all the time. So I don't want that to take away from how great and pretty much historic. No, quite literally historic Tyrese Halliburton has been.

I think I said in my predictions that the Pacers are going to be like a top six seed. and they're probably going to end up as that once things net out at the end of the season but don't pay too much attention to don't tie them in with the paces this is more so about the clippers why not you put them above them I should I'm definitely at tying me

you said you have faith I listen you said that the clippers you have faith they're going to get better I don't need fucking faith for the pacer's because there's seven and four have the best offense in the league by a wide margin I get what you're doing but it's a power rankings

and we're supposed to be going off of like what's having this season and I don't know how you could possibly have the clippers on top 15 based on this season. Listen. They've lost six in a row. Five in a row. Five in a row. Maybe by the time this podcast episode comes out, it may be six in a row.

And at that point, this will be very bleak for me and what I'm pushing. But I'd digress for now. Continue. Donovan, why do you think? Do you think I misplaced the clippers? I think you. Does you think? Yes.

I had them in my bottom 20. Like, I think you misplaced. clippers. I think you misplace the calves and the sons. I think that you are giving them a massive benefit of the doubt because of the names on their roster and you are not actually taking into account like what they've produced on the floor because there's no reason why the kings who have also dealt with injury and have looked better than the calves and the and the sons why they should be at 14. There's no reason why like Isaac said, the paces who have been lightened everybody up should be below any of those three teams.

And so, yeah, I think, I think your top three is wrong. And I think when we made, over the summer, when we made the center's list, you told me that I had made the worst list in TV3 history. I think that you've taken the mantle from that. I truly, I truly believe that. We go a list for a list right now. Yeah. I think you just, like, completely went into it with a different vision than we did.

I think you're, you're, what you were going for was just a completely different like you're playing a different game than us you're you're like projecting and we're going off of what's happened this year so we're just moving off different scales right now we're just completely completely misaligned maybe it's my leniency just getting to me and i just knowing that things will realign themselves 20 games later into the season and that's fair and yeah i mean not not really but whenever no it is whenever whenever that happens right what if what if we get 20 games into the season and the clippers have won two more games in the next eight.

Where if they go two and eight in the next ten? Well, that's an entirely different conversation. Why? It's a continuation of everything that they're doing right now. So how is that different? I think the sphere of the power rankings is to react what's happened and then once things realigned, then we adjust. So again, I think we went into it with a different point of view.

Yeah, this is just wrong. Show me your five. Yeah, let's see your five. Pull him out of my five. Oh, hell no, you have the Hawks top. 12 and I'm a hawks fan now that you're the criminal right there okay okay okay say say it first audio listen I'm gonna see my five I have the worries at 15 I have the bucks at 14 I have the nets at 13 I've the Hawks at 12 now the paces at 11 okay let's so Mo is drunk this five is also drunk

why are the bucks so low the bucks and be so hard they that's crazy why why are the fucking nets above them. What are we doing? What? Right when I took the crown of the worst list, you just took that shit right back from my head and placed it on yourself. Time out. What is the point of a power ranking? Right? We are not power. Power rankings are not supposed to go strictly based off of record or seed or anything. Of course not. And if you, I know. And if you watch the bucks, the bucks have one of the bucks are one of the worst defenses in the league. They cannot rebound for anything. They have looked clunky on offense. Now, have they won in spite of that? Yes, but if I'm watching the butts, they don't look like one of the top 10 teams in the league right

now. They don't, they have not put that together. And for a team that has, forget all the preseason thoughts that we had, right? We thought that we're going to be just like super seamless fit. Forget all that. They don't look. They are not fitting right now. They are not jelly and so yeah like they have more talent because yonis has been going crazy and the day went crazy last night they also they also have but that is individually and they still have not like fit together they're individuals on the team listen they're supposed to be a top three team and we none of us should have them there anymore but they're still winning games because despite not being at the ceiling they're going to be eventually like you said they have the individual

talent having two superstars means only one has to go off and you'll win games just like last night So they're still a top 10 team Like they're still good They just should be like top two But they're not right now They right now Their average scoring margin The amount that they win by

Is negative point seven They have a negative point differential They are 27th In fast break points per game They are they are What is this? They are 25th in rebounds per game They are 28th and assists per game

They are 26 And assist the turnover ratio Their offense is not good And their defense is not good either There's seventh an offensive rating The offense is good It does not look good I'm saying but it is

I'm saying this is this is one of those things Well I'm not like this is purely Their offense at least is based off off of vibes And I know I know it is But everything else like you look at the numbers It's like oh you guys just like aren't like efficient Like what it like their defense is also terrible It's bad

And that's, and it's, it's a lot of things going on at once. You have a new coach, you have a new, you have a new, um, you have a new coach. You have a new roster, a new system. Everything is trying to get put into one place. And I think that through the first 10 games, they have been relatively mid. I don't think that they've been a top 10 team. I think what this is, this is an extreme overreaction because we were so high on them and you're so disappointed by the fact they haven't clicked if we hoped.

I'm not that you've gone the other way way too much. All the things you said, those anecdotal stats are. important elements. They're true. They're seventh in offensive rating. Their fourth and true shooting percentage is the team. They're still scoring points really well. It's been clunky. Sometimes it's been with Janus and no dame. Sometimes vice versa. You had the

hammer run and pick and roll like you want. The first four games, I'd be with you. But they've started to come back and kind of normalize a little bit and their offense is pretty good. You would have them as a top 10 team right now. I do, yes. Because it's been ugly and they haven't

quickly wanted. But teams that have the talent aren't clicking find ways to win games and they have this is one of the instances where we're not just looking at a record but for them specifically the fact that they're getting games out the mud and winning whether or not at their highest proves to me that once things do inevitably start to click and get to the ceiling that we hope they could be they'll be even better because they're finding ways to win without that i think donovan in terms of what a true power raking should be he has probably the best spirit out of all that and i think your last sentence eventually things will get to that point we ain't talking about eventually right now i know you're right

you're right there's seven four they're winning games everything that everything everything that you guys have said about the teams that we are like talking below like the hawks for for mo who is low the magic that we put under you understand that it's literally a one game difference the 10 games 10 games like the hawks are six and five the magic are six and five 10 games as we've discussed this entire episode is like it's a lot in terms of like it gives us the opportunity to do these power rankings it's also 12% of the season and it's very sure and so winning games is very different talk to me in 20 in 20 games talk to me in 15 games whatever but a lot of a lot of what we have to go off for these power rankings at least for me is how does it look are you passing the eye test right now because in in December then the numbers are going to even out and then we can start like those will have a little bit more weight in my eyes but they have have not looked great. They have, they haven't looked great. I think what it comes down to for teams like this,

if you can find a way to, the good teams find a way to win games when things aren't going perfectly, they find a way to execute and pull wins out. End of the day, it's about winning games in a regular season. That's the point is to find a way to win. And they've been doing that enough in a way that's encouraging to me

that they're going to continue to do that. And it's not even, I'm not getting that much credit in terms of like, projecting like, they're just doing it now. They're winning. Like, I get it's ugly, but they find a way to win. I'm not going to, I can't ding them that much.

I can't put them on the nets. What finding a way to win just simply means is like, are there players, their best player are just going to do what the best part on the court should do? We witnessed it just last night or a couple of nights ago. The email letter gave the Tarnar Raptors like 40. He's still the same. And that gives me trust in faith that they will be eventually locked in in the future. But right now, Donovan, I kind of leaned towards your way and you swayed me.

I get it I just think 14 is a little too low like you put them like yeah I think I think if I honestly think that you guys would agree with me if I didn't put the nets above them and if I if I still put them at 14 I put the I put the net below them you guys would be like okay like I see what you're saying it's probably just not right you of that I get like 14's too low in your sentiment I agree with if you put them at 11 or 12 I wouldn't be mad yeah then having them the nets having the nuts above them is just hilarious because the next is worse record just literally. It's the same team. The Nets have worse players, a worse offense. Actually, their offense is pretty good, too. They literally just have a work record. They're worse than everything. Like, I don't know why the Nets are there. Yeah, they literally have just a better record.

Yeah, it's hilarious. Vibs. The good vibes there. They have Cam Thomas. Oh, man. What's my next five? Line it up. At my next five, I have the Warriors at 15.

I'm in the Greens there. Holy shit. Mo has the Warriors top 10. Good Lord. Okay, 14. I have the Hawks. 13, I have the Sons, 12 the Lakers, and 11 the Kings. Uh, shut out.

I like that you have the Kings at 11. I think the Lakers and Sons have too much credit. I think that's projecting, but like everything else is cool. A little bit. Yeah. I think for what the hands they've been dealt, they've done well in those circumstances with so many injuries. So I think, I think your standards change a little bit when you're down five rotation players, and they've done enough to maintain what they should be doing, I think.

No. Yeah. Same with the Kings. Like, the Kings had a rough stretch with no Deerrin Fox. They got him back, and they lit the Lakers to fuck up last night. Lakers won the second half of back-to-back, and the king's fucking pounced. And they looked at the Kings. They made a million threes, and they looked like they didn't lose a step once the Aaron's back.

Once the Aaron came back, they're back-to-ming them. Listen, just know, I capitalized on that. Just know. Just know I capitalized on that. That's when a liquor's dropped because of the win-loss on the second half of back-to-back when the A-D was playing hurt. So I knew that was going to happen. I made some personal moves.

Yeah, I had actually had the Hawks a little higher before the last game when they got stomped. They were, I think, 12. I had them above the Lakers. I was like, I can't do it, man. Yeah, I did a, I think 14 is maybe the right spot for them for where your mindset is at, Isaac. Yeah, I think it's the right spot for them. They haven't, they're just so, Trey Young is the main issue for them, and that's, he's really one of the only reasons why they have been so, man. The point at DeAndre Hunter, he's been mad back to his old self, too.

But overall, I think this list is straight. Do they have to trade, Tray Young and build around to Jonté Murray? Let's not have those conversations right now. They're coming. Let's not have those conversations for Tray Young. Oh. One thing I could say. Let's talk about the Warriors.

Let's do that. Let's do that. Okay. We have the Warriors of 15. Clearly, Mo has him top 10. Actually, no, let's wait until we get to most top 10 ranking of the Warriors. Yeah, exactly. It's nothing, it's nothing crazy.

whatsoever. It's nothing crazy whatsoever. But if we want, we can just move on to the next. One thing I can't say right now is that I was heavily projecting for the Lakers. And, and for the sun just a little bit, I have them a couple spots over you, Isaac, at 11. But yeah, let's look at the top 10 right now. Let's bust into this. I'm ready. Okay. Well, let's bust into go. I know. Nothing too crazy. Wow. That was great. Tell us what? 10. 10 goals. Golden State Warriors before the whole Jremont incident and stuff getting injured or whatever. Your list is insane. They were looking straight.

You just took the crown back. You just took the crown back. We switched over like, what, three times? Yeah, we're going to list for this right now. We're going to be watching the NBA this season. Keep going, take the whole list. Yeah. All right.

So anyways, Warriors number 10, 9, OKC, 8, the Timberwolves shifted, moved so far up for everybody's list. Seven, the Mavs, six, the Lakers. Now, yes, the Lakers have the worst record, probably. Worst record than everyone, maybe except for the Golden State Warriors. But I have my reasons. And with my mindset, if you guys would know, they will make sense. Okay, let's talk about the Warriors first. Let's move.

Let's do it. I have the Warriors at 15. Donovan does as well. Mo has I'm at 10. I could have rocked with them at 10 if this was five games ago. Now, I'm fucking worried about the Warriors, man. Everybody has not named Steph Curry is buns. Clay Thompson continues the gouache.

Andrew Wiggins looks like 2019 Wiggins before he came to the Warriors. It's not blocking shots before. The bust allegations? Oh man, that's sad. He's looking like a bust again. Draman got himself suspended because he wanted to put Rudy Gaubert in the almighty chokehold,

which we didn't talk about. We will later for a certain reason. You'll see in TikTok time. But listen, they don't have that. They're not rebounding well. Dariusars isn't a backup five. They're starting to see effects of that not having another big man. Chris Paul is doing well for what you should be doing

in his age. Can't score worth a damn. Nothing outside of Steph Curry is working and I'm concerned. You know, that's absolutely fair. Looking back at this list, I ain't standing on this shit. If you sit here and tell me that Dario Sarge is going to be the Steph Kerr, one of Steph Curry's best teammates excluding maybe Draymond Green before he did that raggedy ass shit on the court the other night, then I'd be like, okay, cool, whatever. But yeah, they do have their concerns for sure step is fucking hurt right now i'm not sure for how long he will be out um that too but that's like a tbd thing shouldn't be for too long but still that's gonna hurt in the yeah he's like he's like dated yeah so that yeah all your worries and your concerns are very

fair but outside of that and maybe the lakers i believe my set my standings are pretty straight out of the maz where they are right now because they've been fucking playing incredible but again i'm going back to this is the around my power rankings are actually like holding true to the definition who have they played you know I'm saying and they haven't played really impressive competition but they've been clicking on all cylinders but just because you've been clicking on all cylinders doesn't mean that I should warrant you above other teams who have faced tougher competition competition and also I've been clicking all cylinders just like you so okay well explain the like you're saying because

they haven't been clicking on shit and you have two teams below them who are spoiler alert in my top five it go ahead to explain the leakers no yeah just like what i said early with the lakers nothing to really explain is just like he's i'm not standing on it heavily projected that's all like i said like i just said yeah it gives us project me okay i'll give you a break but donovan let's see you top of yeah 10 through six for me i have miami at 10 Sacramento at nine the rockets at eight the nicks at seven and then the thunder at six the nicks at seven you motherfucking homer that is crazy they have a top five defense in the league

and Julius Randall actually like heard me and was like my bad I should like to see he heard you He said Oh no none of his on my neck right now I gotta go ahead and get together He said Donovan I apologize

I actually really like the city I don't want to be I don't want to be deported I want to be in the middle of the country My bad I'll start with my bad You saw one good game He said we're so back

Finally top 10 But listen But that game Look, we've lost five games and two of them have been to the Celtics who against World Alert are in my top five. And so like the other three games obviously probably shouldn't lose that.

RJ, who I wrote off in the off-season, maybe I just have to do this. Maybe I just have to call all of them trash and then hopefully, hopefully they watch and then they play better. But RJ has been really good. He was out last night against the Hawks who we beat.

Ha-ha, right? And so then, but the defense has been has been great the starting five is in like the as i checked enough the starting five is in the 86 percentile in terms of like lineups and how much that that they're winning i i think that this team has survived a god-awful start from julius randle and yeah they've started to perform over the last couple games and they're on their way up so yeah that's why i have them at seven real quick what's up can i uh can i pour a little water on the r j barrett fire No, no.

All his numbers are. All his numbers. Stop that. Show me your, show me your five. Show me your five. I don't want to hear this. I don't want to hear this. I don't want to get this.

Let me get his head off for a quick. He's shooting 50% from three. Everything else is the same. Do you understand what you just said? He's shooting 50% from three and everything else is the same. You can do that. Shoot 50% from three. That's fine.

He won't though. He can't. That's 11 games. It's okay. He's doing it right now and I'm giving him credit for that. Show me your next five, Isaac, please. Let's see my next five. My next five.

At the 10 spot, I had the Miami Heat. Six. Nine, OKC. Eight the rockets, seven the pacer's, six the bucks. Okay. Let's talk. The thunder, why the thunder so low? I guess.

Why the thunder so high? I don't know. I mean, the idea of thunder's great. They've been good, but like six? Yeah. They've been playing well. I don't think they're. They're good.

I mean, again, don't. Mo's chiming in. Mo, you have my nine to. Relax. No, no, I agree. I'm on your side. I'm on your side. It's not relaxed.

I'm on your side. Okay. Yeah, they have the ninth best offense and they have the seventh best defense. It's about, you know, seventh and ninth. Like they're winning games around that rate. I just, it's more about the other teams, I think. OKC's been good, very good. What we'd expect from them, I think.

We all thought they'd take the leap. They have. The Rockets have been exceptional. They want six straight games. They're legit top five defense. I think they'll stay there. They're really, really good. They're a disciplined team that as an elite, elite coach that found a team that will let him be crazy and do his thing and implement a system in a team that needed that.

The Pacers are the best offense to the fucking league that can't stop winning games. And like I said, with the bucks, they're finding ways to win games enough that makes me think they're going to be that quality level team that we all thought they could be eventually. So while they're not the second best team in the league like I thought, sixth is a solid spot for them, I think. Okay. When we get to this range, what I started to look at in terms of tiebreakers was like, is what you're doing sustainable and how much do I overall just trust you in like a playoff setting, right? So this is where a lot of the, this is where a lot of the projection comes in for me. For the Rockets, I had them at 8. And I think the reason why I had, OK, C over Houston is because I think that what they're doing is just a little bit more sustainable than where Houston is.

I think that their defense is obviously going to be used like much improved. But if you go and you look at their, at their opponent three point percentage, opponents are shooting 32% from three against them. Like that's going to come back. And so this top five defense, I expect that to drop a little bit. Like Mo said, they've also played a lot of teams with their stars hurt. They've played seven of their first nine games at home. Like they're about to go on a really, really rough stretch of road games with, I guess,

still like a young team. I like them and I like what they've done I just want to pump the brakes on them a little bit that's right we got in the same spot yeah yeah

not much breaks be pumped but I think the only difference is I mean if you want to swap them in the and the thunder cool the thunder this is really the only difference is the Rockets

haven't played very many games this week for some reason they only pay two games this week so they haven't had a chance to lose more and fall down yeah so the Thunder had like one more recently so now they have one more win

cool I'm fine with that but like I mean you have the Knicks there which I think I don't I don't see that at all I haven't seen that quality of play over more than the last game played But like would you Did you put the Pacers yet or your Pacers in your top five

The Pacers were at 11th That's kind of drunk I think Like You have the league I can't believe you have the Knicks With that much higher than the Pacers The Pacers also have one of the worst defenses

in the league and it's ridiculous The best offense by far though They are literally the opposite ends of the spectrum Their last year of Sacramento Kings And so like So are the Mavs And the Mavs if we're talking about What's Sustainable and how much do I trust you

In a playoff context I trust the Mavs a little bit more Than I trust the Pacers But in Indiana Indiana also They give up 130 to everybody And it's crazy It's ridiculous

They can't stop scoring 135 though 130 is crazy There's gonna be nights Where like you're gonna You're just gonna score 150 It's crazy that I'm talking like this

Like 115 is gonna be Your down game But you're gonna score 115 And still give up 130 They just They're in track meets All the time And I just

I can't do it right now You know what's crazy though They have the worst Defensive League Like you said They're cooler opposites Or the 28th in defense First and offense

Yeah They're still a top 10 net rating, which means their offense is motherfucking good. That's crazy. Teams, like, they're basically like the Rock Kings of last year in terms of like the opposite ends of spectrum.

But normally when you have that type of team configuration, you're barely winning. Like, you're winning shoot asses by a little bit because you got to fucking grind for that shit. It's not normal to have a top 10 net rating with a bad defense. That's incredibly impressive. Let me pull up their schedule real quick.

It's not normal. Pull up and I won't care because Tommy Taliborne is like, God. No, I understand that. Here's who they've played. They played the Wizards. They played the Cavs without Garland and Allen. They played the Bulls.

They played Celtics, played the Cavs again. Hornets, Spurs, Jazz, Pacer, 76ers. So they've had a handful of games against teams that we have in the bottom seven of our. Did they beat the bucks? Did they? Yes. Oh, yeah. They've lost once and they beat them once.

They beat the bucks and they beat the 76ers. Those are quality wins. They also have a lot of non-quality wins. And they beat the shit. out of all of them they took care of it like they're one of those middle of the pack teams we can't ding them for their schedule yeah they beat the shit out of those teams you just said you just said moe middle of the pack team i had them at 11 creeping into the top 10

you guys are good i just can't like it's just hard for me right now to look at them and everything that they're doing i want to give them credit and if i was hating i would put them in the top 10 so i could you know drop the heat out of top 10 because i was wrong about them because these people just win games and it's so freaking It's so frustrating watching them win games, but Indiana, I just, to be that bad defensively is wild to me and it just doesn't, it just doesn't look good. I just can't get on board with it right now. Yeah, listen, I mean, I don't think they have the seventh best chance of winning a championship, but in terms of regular season power rankings and what they've been doing. So far. That's a formula that wins regular season games we saw with the Kings last year. So I don't see any reason that dingham for a bad defense when the offense is that ridiculously good. If you find ways to win games, every time, I don't really care. Like, clearly I'm rewarding, winning games more than you guys are

because I think that's like what matters in the power rankings. Like, if you get it done, you get it done. And if it's in a formula that is clearly... That's the opposite of power rankings. I don't think so. Again, it's not just that. I don't think that's the true case at all. I think results matter.

You have to be producing. But I mean, it's also in a way that's completely replicable. That's not a fluke, right? Like, if it was a fluke, like they were playing strictly injured teams or shooting 60% of 3, sure, but they're winning games in a way that's a clear identity that's going to be very easily replicate throughout the whole season, I don't see why you don't reward that. They just have it like, the defense is just terrible and it's like, excuse me, it is, it matters.

And look, there's going to be some other teams on this list who are also like flip-flop and stuff like that. I just think that some of their wins, you know, you might look down the line and be like, oh, It's a little fraudulence, whatever. They're good, though. And we were all high on the Pacers. I like them. I'm a fan of them.

But you can't give up 1.30 every single night. Oh, my gosh. And try to be top 10. You can't do it. You have the Mavs top five. Listen, who's, but they're the same. Who's better? Marginally the Mavs?

No, no, no, no. Who's better? Luca or Tyrese. That's where the conversation. down to? Yeah. Yeah. If that's what it is, I understand Donovan.

I told you now. No, I told you, I told you what my tiebreakers were. How sustainable is this and how much do I trust you in a playoff context? And right now, I trust Luca to do this more than Tyrese and I trust him to do this in a playoff context. I trust him both 100%. Okay. And I trust.

Right now. I trust Luca much more than I trust Tyrese. Why? I trust him both 100%. They can both do this all season. Tyrese is not as good as Luca and I don't think that that's okay that's a conversation that no one should be happy right now that's my tie break that no you're you're thinking about it from like a place you're thinking about like a playoff type segment Donovan you're not you're not you're not a hundred

percent wrong but I get where you're coming from I get where you're coming from even talk about the Pacers and Tyrese Allerun for it's a little bit too long so I guess now we should switch up to the top five you're right thank you for being a dog let's move on move on because at number five I have the Miami Heat. They have again, we started it all over again, witchcraft going on. But we'll touch back on that a little bit later. Four 76ers, they're nice. Tyrese Maxis like that.

Three, projecting bucks. The buss are three. Yeah, two. Everyone should be. Yeah, walk off set. The Baza Celtics should be number two for fucking everybody. And at number one, the Denver Nuggets are the Denver Nuggets should be number one for everybody. Okay. I'm with that.

I'm with that. Obviously, I think Miami's. a little bit too high, but you're top four, I should know, I think, I think Miami being top five is better than Milwaukee being top three. I just, I, I just can't get there. I, I just can't do it with them right now. They don't, they're not passing eye touch for me. And I just, not what are we talking about? What? The bucks at three? How can we do that? Thank you. Listen, what are we looking at here? Again, you miss it. You miss it. You missed it. But I was like, bucks. I didn't listen. I can hear you. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't. You didn't.

hear the projecting part because that's what i'm talking about so when it comes to the buck seven and four yeah whatever they haven't been as great as you want them to but dame is still dame yannis is still in yonness you literally just watch yon as jonas jr on the pacers head and dame miller give 40 to the toronto raptors who are an elite defensive team you know what i'm saying so those things are tough can look past by those things and i know once we once five games go pass by i expect and i'm hoping they go ahead and fucking improve then this list will make we'll make a little bit more sense

anything you guys want to say about the I don't care about the 50 ball I don't care about the 37 points Wow three is too high it's just too high To not have Minnesota Top 5 right now is wild No I love Minnesota I okay the Mavs I will stand on it

They had a weak-ass schedule and everyone's playing at their fullest potential right now Okay I love them How dare they play good? That's not their fault, but I'm saying that doesn't warrant them to be at number five for me personally. Play worse, pussies. Like, that's not the playing worse.

But it's like, if I'm sitting down and I'm looking at the Mavs, who have they beat for real? They only beat a lot of low-tier playoff friends maybe team so far this NBA season. It's not a strike to schedule competition. No, I'm not. I know. And they're good and they put them a lot higher. Now, listen, I had them out of the playoffs, bro.

I didn't see Grant Williams being a 50% three-point shooter, you know what I'm saying? I didn't see Derek lively being an actual good center, not getting eaten alive every single night by the other bigs. And I gave them their credit, but I'm not giving them top five just yet because I want to see them do it for another 10, 20 games. And once they do that, then I'll give them their credit. But right now, nah. Okay, well, you don't have them top five. I do. So we're going to go into my top five.

I have the Mavericks at five, I have the Timberwolves at four, have the 76ers at three, Celtics at two, Denver at one. That's my top five. I think I have the same exact top five. Can you reveal it in a kill? Yeah, I have the exact same top five. Hey, love it. We're locked in. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

The point of this isn't, you said, I need to see it for another 10 games. The point of it is just off what happened this year, not what you thought coming into the season. And if you look at just what happened this season, the Mavs are clearly one of the five best teams. The Timberwolves clearly one of the five. best teams. Easy. And yeah, I just took away preconceived notions in just reacting to this year. I think they're easily top five.

You could put them top three, honestly. I gave the 76ers that nudge, but they could be as low as five. And even if you want to like knock the maps for their strength of schedule, it's disrespectful to not put the two of the top five. Like Anthony Edwards, Anthony Edwards is disgusting, man. And like, for somebody who's been trying to push this Anthony Edwards best shooting guard in the league agenda, I'm shocked. That was for the TikTok, relax, man.

No, no, no, no, no. You were standing there. That's crazy, though. I was supposed to my propaganda. I was supposed to my propaganda. But when it comes to the Timberwell's front, you're talking about Anthony Edwards, more so. Maybe it's me appreciating Rudy Gobert more.

Maybe I'm getting a little bit older, a little bit wiser in seeing his true value. But what he is doing so far this season is, I don't want to say generational, but it's like, it's special. And he is so far, the defensive players, of the year in this short 10-game span. And if you look at the stats, check whatever stats you want.

Most teams in the NBA do not want to go ahead and shoot in the paint. And that's because Rida-Ga-Ber is there. And if they do go ahead and get to the paint, Rudy Gaubert with his big ass is deteriorating every single thing. Back when they played against the Golden State Warriors, I believe there's this play down in crunch time where CP3 was attacking the paint. And Rudy Goubert showed the slightest of presence. and it looked like for a second that CP3 had a lane

or had some space to get a little layup off or his classic fadeaway that he likes to get off near the paint but he didn't do it and he swung it off and some messed up play happened but that's all about Rudy Gober and how great he is and of course you know what I'm saying Anthony Edwards and all that

but when comes to the number one defense Rudy Gobert is a forefront of that yeah they're incredible this is a part where I gotta say I was wrong as shit preseason I thought that it'd be a playing in range team. I actually put them at 11 in our power rankings, but I supposed to say like, I don't like that at all. I think they deserve to be in the playing race at least. I said a team's a fallout of injuries and I think they'll realistically be in there. I was like

wanting to give them as a little bit of credit, but for me a little bit of credit meant like the ninth seed at most. I had completely given up on them. We had the episode where we gave our reactions to the first night at the season, which you know, the point was to do overreactions and like be out there off of one game sample size. So that was the explicit purpose. Man, I gave a motherfucker reaction and I said this team will never have a good offense as long as they have Kat and Gobert. It's impossible. I was wrong as shit.

They're really good. And the most painful part is the start of last season, I liked them a lot. I had sold myself on the idea and I was like maybe it'll be the four seed. The season played out. The playoffs played out. Time went on and I was like, I was wrong and they suck ass. If one guy had just

stuck to my guns, this is the version of the team that we had hoped to see last year that never materialized. Rudy Gobert, like he said, said looks like Pete Riegobert. He's fully healthy again. They've finally figured out how to play with each other. They had the best defense in the league, anchored by him, anchored by Jada McDaniels, also being a DPO-Y caliber player, truly one the best primitive defenders in the league. Anthony Edwards making a leap there, being a great defensive playmaker when he has to lock in. Kat, we shit on Kat a lot. Last week, we were saying that they should probably

trade him eventually because it's never going to work out. Even if they're playing well, it's going to be in spite of him. He's figured it out. offensively. He figured out how to get to his spots, how to succeed next to another big, how to find ways to get to the rim by slivering around and finding ways around the help defender, by realizing he needs to be more of a pick and pop guy and create space that way. Everybody's figuring out where to find spots on the courts to make it work, and we were just wrong. Yeah, man, you know, they're hooping. Whoa, you just can't say that. Get Rudy Gobert his goddamn credit, man. Don't just say that

I don't have to do anything. You don't have to tell me what to do. He said that right now. We're not going to tell me what to do. The number one defense, you're a defensive guy. I don't have to do a thing. I don't have to do a thing. I don't have to.

The only thing I have to do is tell the truth, and that is that Rudy Gobert is playing well. But I don't have to, I don't have to like Rudy Gobert. I don't have to respect this game. I don't have to do any of that. So, like, listen, shout out to the Tim Wolves. Like for and for though, they are they are hooping and for a lot of teams that like come out and, you know, they like the league on fire for the first 10 games. Sometimes like some of the teams that we think, you know, in the second half of our top 10, we don't think that it's all like sustainable.

What they're doing is 100% sustainable. And they're going to be a really good team for the rest of the year. They honestly, listen, there's not really anybody in the in the West right now that I think I trust more to be like. Denver, besides that. No, no, no. I'm saying to be like the two-seat. I think, listen, Denver, this is your conference. Everything runs through you.

You guys are fantastic. After that, exactly. After that, it's a whole big jumble. And right now, wouldn't shock me if Minnesota came out and had the two-seed at the end of the year. Let me, let's talk about why it's sustainable. Because, again, we all kind of had the same sentiment that we don't see it working out fit-wise offensively.

It's like, I can't picture what's going to look like based on what we've been seeing. and that was because Anthony Edwards is a guy who thrives getting to the rim he's one of the best slasher's in the league people compare him to Jordan jokingly but realistically they compare him to like D-Wa and stuff like that

a really great slasher Kat is known as being the best shooting big man of all time but the other side of his game is that he's really good at known by who by him okay whatever whatever who said that

best in the league okay three-point shooting he's clearly the best three-point shooting big man of all time no taking away Dirk's mid-range stuff and whatnot but he's known for being a spacer and other half of his game is he uses that gravity

he creates a pick and pops to attack people off the dribble and he's a speed to get to the rim he's great because he can get to the rim off the dribble you know next to where to go bear was like how does he do that there's a big motherfucker standing in the paint clogging it up

those are the core issues that we saw is their offensive why it can't work what they've decided to do is just be them to mean backtrack they still can't get to the rim they're still 20th in rim scoring they're not good at that we're right what they managed to do is be good at everything else

they're the best mid-range shooting team in the league and that's because Anthony Edwards has become a mid-range assassin and an off-the-dribble 3 assassin he's become a legitimately great shooter to the point where it's okay that he can't get to the rim he was like I'm not used to having a lot there

I need the space he doesn't need it anymore he's figured it out he's a mid-range game where he shoots fadeaways he can pull off the dribble in the pick and roll he can do pull-up threes space of four is a spot-up shooter a jada McDaniels is unlocked a mid-range game cat has found his spots there

they're just finding ways to succeed despite that weakness which is what you want yeah and look when everybody talks about like oh who are the greatest scores of all time right you always think about the people who like have bags and you know

just take like hard mid-rent shots Anthony Edwards is like fully leaning into that whole like archetype and so he is like right right now is he top 8 like is he top 10 like what

like where is players in the league? Yeah like Where's the ceiling for, at least on like, you know, listen, we gave Shay the biggest bump in the world after last year. And if Anthony Edwards is coming out, doing everything that he's doing, being able to succeed, still, like you said, they haven't necessarily figured out how to, how to fix that issue outside of just make more shots. That's, that's the difference. I'm just making more shots. And the fact that he's, the fact that he's been able to get to that level, like where we put an aunt in the lead. That's the, that's the interesting thing to me right now.

That is 10 to 15 range. Yeah. I love that accountability that you're trying to hold NBA fans to. They boosted up, propped up Shagos Alexander. And now that Anthony Edwards is doing a lot of those things that he did last year while also winning. He has obviously a great team around him too. He probably is, he definitely is in like top 10, 12, 13-ish reigns. Not going to have that conversation now.

but overall everything is working for them and i'm not going to sit here and like say like oh you know they're serious finals contenders or you know i'm saying anything like that but there are things to peep the denver nuggets they probably had some of the most trouble against this team right here their timbrewolds and to see them get all this theme off rip at the start of the season it's impressive and it's something that we all need to consider and like i see one of my one of my winning theme for this episode is I'm not letting short sample size move me most of the time with this short sample size right here garnering the information from last year that we got from them when they faced the timber or when they faced Denver nuggets that number one defense moves

me and them being an elite mid-range shooting team which opens up a few things for them on offense too it moves me and I just don't see you I don't see a world in where they fall off. I think they are a contender. I think whatever that means, like, are they going to be better than Nuggets or Celtics? No. But are they in that next tier? I think absolutely. Like, in terms of, like, teams have a puncher chance. Yeah. I don't see why not. The defense is fully sustainable. And like, as I said, like five of the last six champions have been based off of one of the best defenses in the league. You look at the Lakers, you look at the Raptors, look at the Bucks, all these recent champions. They have top three defenses and middling offense. That's where the Timbles are.

number one defense by far when you factor out garbage time on cleaning the glass their 15th in offensive rating that's a championship formula if you have a true superstar to carry the load in the fourth quarter of playoff games

if we think Anthony Edwards is that yeah if y'all think Anthony Edwards is that this is a championship formula whether they'll be able to supplant those truly great teams at the top probably not but listen most years something happens to one of those top teams

and something crazy happens if that's the case the Timberwols have as good a chance as any to get into that conversation. Facts. Try to the time. Yeah. Bro, they're an aggressive defense, and right now, they're top 10 in forcing turnovers.

They're number one in fouls. They don't get, they don't foul people at all. There's incredibly disciplined and don't foul despite forcing a lot of turnovers. Yeah, that's a, that's crazy. That means you're an elite defensive team. Yeah. Yeah, now they got it. They are going to be a team that we're going to talk about for the rest of the year for

you for sure. You still have not said one nice thing about Rudy, man. Are you serious? I have. You know who I'm talking to. Donovan. He's D.P.O.I. For sure.

All right. So I really do want to talk to you guys about the Celtics, right? And so I really do want to have this conversation. They are, listen, I think that the Celtics, for me, like, it was a hard thing to put them at two. Like, I honestly could have seen them at one. But the one reason why I had them at two is I think that they still. have a Jalen Brown problem but it's in a it's in a different context okay they they can't win they're not winning non-jason Tate of minutes with even with Jalen Brown on the floor and I think that for a team

that we've all kind of recognized has like the best top six in the league and to have a guy that you just paid 300 million dollars and it's coming off like our NBA and all that type stuff to have to be losing those minutes is kind of scary to me. And that's, that's like a very interesting development. Because last year, when Tatum was off the floor, they, they won those minutes, right? According to, I have it right here. According to cleaning the glass, they win the 74th percentile with Tatum off the floor. They went, they were plus 3.5. This season, with Tatum off the floor, they're in the 24th percentile losing those minutes and the differential, there are minus 6.3 with Tatum off the floor. that's like

step curry that's like yoke's type type stuff where you are so heliocentric and it's so weird to see that team with the amount of top in talent that they have be that you know disparage without their top player

something to monitor yeah I think that'll probably improve over time I think you know we saw some time Derek White missed a few games Drew Holiday struggled shooting for a few games he wasn't particularly good KP's not the creator for this team because of so many guys like you said

that that that stat I think is very reliant on the guards that play when Jay Statenham is on the court whoever's driving the offense if Derek White's not there for extended I think he missed two games in the middle maybe it was more I don't remember Drew Holiday has the poor shooting

I think that's the type of stuff that could weigh that down but that is something moderate you're right yeah I'm just I'm just keeping a look at it that's that's one of those things where and even even in spite of that they have the number one net rating in the league yeah they're like the plus 13 on the year

they're just killing people and they had a very very impressive win without poor zingis without jaylon brown last night against philly on the road like they also al hawford once again just told joel and b like i'm your father like you just you just knock on the score oh my gosh no they're they're great they're great and i think that it's it's clear right now that the conference runs too my only issue with my only concern is they still very much live and die by the three yeah i feel like they still have that problem last year that kind of hit them in the playoffs where they fell in so many series and they come back because it's natural to go cold. Maybe they're the talent now that

in the playoffs will see that not become as much of an issue because they have more guys that can just make plays happen which makes a difference. But, you know, the 29th and mid-range volume and the highest two-point volume, obviously, 20th and volumes. It's a winning formula in the regular season. It's what Joe Mazuda wants to do.

It can win. It's possible. But there's just a bigger possibility of variance hurting you in the playoffs that happens, which concerns me a little bit. I can see them being upset by a team or being down on a series because of that. Which you never want. Yeah, I mean, we've seen this formula before.

It's been started by the Warriors, but there's the Warriors are a specific type of team. They had the greatest team of all time with the way they played. They could get away with that type of shit. You know what I'm saying? And then we saw it next phase. We saw it with the Houston Rockets. And they were a great team, but they were not the greatest team of all time. And they died with that.

And I think the Celtics roster has more talent than that Houston Rockets team, but not as much talent as that Golden State Warriors team. So I guess we'll just have to see where that nets them out as the season goes on And overall, I agree with your sentiment Let's talk about the 76ers real quick Before you finish this up Because we

None of us hated the 76ers as a team We were just like, you know, Hardin's gone So we don't know what to think Because he's inevitably going to get traded And it's like What do you make of a team That's going to lose a superstar? Well, superstar

But you know, there's second star on their team And in turn, Tyree's Mashey just became better than James Hardin it became a legitimate star guard, averaging 28 points and 7 assists on amazing efficiency. He's not only an elite shooter off from the three off the dribble and catch and shoot like he has been for three years, but he's also used that in the pick and roll and dribble handoff specifically, leveraged that ability, and got into the rim, amazingly with his speed, gone to the floater range amazingly, finished on all three levels and been an improved passer while Joelle and Bede is still the best score in the league.

They're just great. And on top of that, they have more depth onto their team. They got Robert Covington, who, you know what I'm saying? Over the last years, it hasn't been the greatest, but who knows how am I paying out? He's overall just still a good body to have. Nick Batum, he's a solid role player, regardless of rap lyrics, what to say about him. And then Kelly Ubrae before he got hit by car, he has been putting for them to. I'm sorry, no, no, no, listen.

It's crazy. It's great. It's insane. Yeah, he's not laughing because it's funny. He's laughing because it's like a ridiculous thing to say. Like, the fact that I have to say Kelly Uber got hit by a car is a madlib. He didn't roll his ankle. He didn't have a bad, like, nasty work, nasty injury on the court.

Nah, bro, he got hit by a car. Teams, he literally leaked footage. Isaac said, this is crazy. That's why I'm laughing because it's like, how to hell do they notice? They must hit that man with that car because how do you can't foot it that fast and move? So it's whatever. He's going to be back in November probably. Yeah.

Great recovery for someone who broke. the ribs have to get hit by car like like an iron man and be back by that in November yeah he's ridiculous so having Kelly Ubrey Nick Batoon Robert Cumington and then they still have D and are D Anthony Melton who's a great defender too they just have a lot of meshing going on and that's we're not talking about any potential moves they may want to make as a season goes on because they also have that versatility and flexibility but that's enough for me when it comes to give them up to the 76th you know what I know what else we got to say on top of all that

What? I failed to account. This is a running theme of me this year. I failed to account for coaching differences. I failed to give the Rockets the bump that I should have gave them because I'm Aedoka's really good. We mentioned it. We said they finally got a coach.

They're going to be better. I didn't account for that in my predictions. I don't know why. The but they had a system in place and with our pre-season predictions, I said they'd be a top two team in the league because I don't know why I kind of thought the system would stay in place. Agent Griffin's a rookie head coach with different values

wants to instill different forms of playing because they thought that old system doesn't work in the playoffs. That made them fall off in the beginning of the season because they have to get used to it. I didn't account for that. I did not account for the fact

they replaced one of the worst exes and those coaches in the league in Doc Rivers with Nick Nurse who's an exes and nose madman who's incredible at his job before last year when the Raptors decided to hate him, him and the players just had a falling out.

Before that year, we all viewed Nick Nurse as one of the smartest coaches in the league and for some reason, we didn't think that if you give Joel and B the smartest coach in the league that he would get better but goddammit he has joel and beat looks like one of the best defenders in the league he's scoring as well as he ever has he's being a better playmaker than he ever has and then tyrese max he comes in on top of that and is also playmaking for others

it just looks like a smart team that knows how to deploy their players way better than they did under the dock rivers all facts all facts you're this is a great team vibes are better and like you said tyrese maxi's just like you know what i will be the i will be the star guard that joel and bide has always been asking for. I'll do it. It's my job, man. This is nuts. One in the tray for Dame Lillard to be next to him? I am Dame Lillard. I got it.

Tyre's Maxie outside of Tire's Maxie, outside of maybe one player is the best teammate that Duelan Bede has ever had, which is nuts to think about. But yeah, yeah, man. You know, I was like, it's so funny because I am all in on the 76ers and the Timberwolves.

I think they're legitimately really good and coming to the season, I didn't particularly like either of them. Hated them. Yeah. Like, no. Stap's.

Even the Mavs, Mavs too. Like, I wasn't that high on them. I think I kind of let Donovan gaslight me a little bit into not being high on them. He convinced me. But like,

I didn't love the idea of them. But now I'm like, they're good as fuck. Lucas shooting 40% from 3. He looks like he's making another leap. Kairi is playing off of him perfectly. We're seeing the exact way Kyrie should be utilized. They have shooters around him.

This is optimized Luca ball. It's working. Like, all these teams I didn't like, I love now. Now, let's come back to us a little bit. Your reasons for not liking them are logical as fuck, and you made 100% percent sense. You know what I'm saying?

So things can change when we do this. I'm not dumb. I was just wrong. A month ago. You were 100% wrong. Like, you're just 10 games into it. Maybe the same thing can be said like 50 games later. You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah. I can't wait for the next 10 games. It's going to be very interesting. Next time. What if Tyree's out? What a Tyree's match? It just falls off. I have just 20 points per game.

We're just like fuck They're cooked That's how you got a reset Orer and that's why you got to reset Starts playing like day one cat again We're like oh my god It's a little suck We're giving all this praise

We're hopping on all this dick And now we're fucking rock We This man has yet to give him to go I think I'm obligated to give them a lot of praise I gave them a lot of hate I give them a lot and a lot of hate More hate than I've ever been anybody

I'm not a hater But I gave them a lot of hate So I think I got to go the other way Ladies and gentlemen, it is time, crayon eaters, you have been summoned, and it is time to rejoice. We are out of the hood, man. This is, this is take talk time with mic stams. You might witness a generational, a generational segment right now, yo. It's so funny, because we always could have had Mike stance.

I said, no, it's my fault. Give it to me. Give it to me. It's all my phone, man. It's all my fault. I didn't want Mike stans. I like holding it. but do you want to tell them

why we had to get it? Do you want to tell him? Let's tell him. Mo could not stop moving that bitch so there's a bunch of noise and he could not stop breathing into that bitch so there's a lot of noise. Bro, this has been an issue

since maybe like three months into the podcast. He said, nah, maybe we should get a mic stand down. I was like, yeah, I can go hang in one. I'm like, no, I like holding the shit of my hand. I don't want no damn mic stand. He was trying to stand on business and it just didn't work out.

And I could not stand on it. But it's okay. Then I realized last week that he breathes like Darth Vader into the mic, and I was like, you're trying to tell me I was breathing like Nile Williamson? Let's relax. I take offense. You were smacking your lips?

Yeah, man. We're going to start TikTok time. As always, we're going to start with the draft. And today, that draft is going to be a player draft instead of lineups. And what we're going to do is we're going to build the perfect white NBA player. So the categories we're going to do is body, shooting, finishing, defense, and passing. drafting. Draft order, Mo, Donovan, me. Simple. No.

Mo, what is your first pick? Okay, cool. Did you all want to say Donovan first? I don't know. I generally don't know. But if it was, you know what, you know what card I'm going on. That's what I'm saying. It's going on the list. That's a strike. I don't know. That's hilarious. All right. Where are we going?

So for passing, give me. Ooh. Yeah, for passing, go ahead and give me Nicole Yolich. Okay, that's a good pick. Okay. I don't want to do this because I'm just going to double up. It's all right, though. It's fine. For passing, give me Luca Dantius. Oh, okay. I'm glad you did that because there's a bunch of good passers, so I don't need that. For shooting, give me Larry Bird shooting.

Nice. And the defense, give me Alex Caruso. Okay You got the steel of the draft All ready Let's go The bald eagle For

Hmm Body I'm trying to figure this out right now For body You know what Give me Which we don't want to go Give me

Give me Christopheurzingis Oh you're gonna be a big guy Okay Yeah Okay you big big Okay Cool all right so for the real defense to give me defensive player the year mark gassall okay you're

big as well yeah okay yeah you know this is snake right so i double up yeah yep perfect cool and then for shooting give me steve nash my white boy is lethal okay okay all right for shooting give me the best shooting big man of all time. Give me Dirk Novitsky. Okay. Okay. For finishing give me Rick Berry. Damn. I'll like that. Damn. Okay. Okay.

Okay. We're a throwback. That's fair. Throwing it back. Okay. And then for body, give me the most underrated athletes. Oh, we know. I thought of a rating word. For body, give me the high flyer,

Max McClung. Oh, okay. That's right. Straight hops. Okay. He's small. He's small, but okay. I see. I see what we're doing here. I got a guard and I'm jumping out the gym. I'm locking down and I'm shooting like bird.

All right. Okay. All right. For my defense, give me Andre Kierlinco, AK-47. You're good a pick. That's a fucking, that's a great pick. That's a steal.

Versatile pick. Yeah, that's a steal. All right, cool. So for my body, nothing too crazy, but what do you expect? he's white give me gordon hayward okay okay yeah so that's fundamental athleticism yeah very solid 35 inch right thanks and then for finishing let me go ahead and get the other gassal brother give me pow i always find a way to pick pow every time he's on the board i'm gonna take him you realize

you pick rim protector defense and finishing but you're six seven yeah This guy's terrible. He's fantastic. You can't name an archetypal. I was doing white PJ Tucker? White PJ Tucker? Yep. Hell, though.

What do you mean? Does Yokish Pack is not in passing not exist? It's just a weird player with that height. We need to make this building 2K. I want to see what this is going on like. I don't know what it looks like. Who does this look like? Gordon-Harvard Body.

Is this? It doesn't make sense. It's somebody crazy. Anyways, for my. finishing. I have the shooting of Dirk, right? I have, I have a shooting of Dirk. I have AK-47's defense. I want to be able to score in the low post. Give me Kevin McHale's finishing. Okay. That's good. Damn. To finish it off for passing, give me Mr. Whitechalkland himself, Jason Williams. Wow. Okay. I got the ultimate white boy. That's flare. Of all everybody here,

I have by far the widest player. You do win that. You do have the wide. You don't. You got you got mac mcclung you're defying all science science right there bro you got mac mcclung that don't make you also have you also have american whites that's why right you got homegrown whites on your teeth corn fed white boys exactly oh you're right find these guys in the big 10 in the Midwest home bread you're right but you white chocolate and larry bird i'm i had the most iconic whites it's so white it's amazing you understood the assignment you got it i cheated Played to the crowd. So for audio listeners, my player is the body of Mack McClung, the shooting of Larry Bird, the finishing of Rick Berry, the defense of Alex Caruso, and the passing of white chocolate.

For my body, I have Chris stops cruising his body, Dirk Novitsky shooting, Kevin McKell finishing, Andre Kirolenko defense, and Luca Danchich passing. I like that. So my body got Gordon Hamer body, shooting Steve Nass, finishing power. Gasol, defense, Mark Gassol, in passing, Yolkits. Very odd player. I feel like he's just discombobulated. I think you forgot you were building a big when you picked Gordon Hayward's body. Yeah.

This is a nice big, though. He's a great big. Oh, I forgot. You picked Gordon Hayward's body, notoriously fragile body. Hey, he asked Chris Sautz Perzinius. Which one is more fragile at this point? Facts. You'll pick some fucking.

cute tips you picked the guy who barely plays in the NBA he's you fact so you picked he's like six one player I picked the ball is life Hooper exactly yeah that's great my next video we're going to do a tier list this time we're staying topical I mentioned earlier in the episode that Raymond Green pulled a W.W.E. move on Rudy Gobert came straight with the neck we're going to talk about it later right now we're going to do a tier list of Ramon Green's most controversial moments. This guy's a menace. The fact that we can do this with like,

with all of these moments is crazy. This shit is the same, bro. You know what it is. Let's put Draymond Green's most controversial moments into a tier list. I can't wait. The man's insane. All right.

So first up. First up, when Draymond Green put his whole arm into LeBron's groin. in the NBA finals the origin of the dick punch I think this had the most consequences yes but it's not like

listen in terms of controversial this is S tier because a whole bunch of people were like arguing about it but the actual like activate it's just like bro stop being Dylan Brooks for two seconds stop being Dylan Brooks before

Dylan Brooks I'll put it at an A just because it's not as over the top happens on the other ones. Yeah, I'll go A. This is relatively tame. A dick punch is normal for Dremont Green. That's like run in the middle. Like, oh, Dremont being Dremont.

Yeah, this is very normal. He is who he is. This is very normal. I think, yeah, A is solid. A is solid. You're right. This is the oranges of it. This is the origin of the story of his era.

All right. Love it. Cool. We let the see it. Next up, we got the time when Dremon Green tried to kick James Hardin's face off. I forgot about this one What is this one?

I need this. I forgot. This was... James Harder machine a 3 and Dreemann jumped and like came in the face. I don't know how your body just decides to do that. This is just silly.

I don't even know where to rank this. Can we just put it in like B? For somebody who's in the NBA, Dremont has the least body control I've ever seen. His lives just go everywhere. Lins just go everywhere. Yeah, that's a good beat. Yeah, okay.

Be a solid. Be a solid. This guy's crazy. Let's do it. All right. Next up, the time when Dremont Green stomped out Sabonis' chest. That was a couple months ago. He jumped off his chest like a motherfucking trampoline.

That was crazy. You know, I didn't realize until I saw it a couple months ago or last night, Isaac, he literally jumped up. You're right. It was a trampoline experience. Like, we have to study. Do some scientific studies on Subonis' test after that. Like, what is your test being on? Vibranium.

It's crazy. The fact that Dremont stomp on a chess plus the memeability of DeMontasabonis is, don't! Like, it's an immediate ask you a moment. Oh, man. We love to see it. Next up, no debate.

The time. Next up, the time when Dremont tackled the Houston Rockets, KPJ. time. This is Estia. This is my favorite during my moment of all time, of all time. Because all he does is just running around like a madman,

running from doing suicide from one end to the court to the other with no intention of actually playing basketball. He just wants to tackle somebody. This dude literally just saved the ball, made an incredible play from going out of bounds. But sadly, and went to the other team, sprinted as fast as humanly possible to go ahead and just run.

No plans, no intentions, just run. And then he's hackled somebody, bro. This is X-D. He was watching, he was watching too much

Friday night lights reminding him in his MSU days in the past. Key had to reminisce. This man played a great ball. For him from the

day, got lit up. Got chish contusion said no more. He can never be Robbukowski. He wants to be, though. He wants to be, though.

There's some warning where he was. But next up, we got the time when he kicked Stephen Adams in the balls. Again, serial dick puncher. He loves this shit. He's never seen a sack. He doesn't want to punch. A tier.

This is not S tier. This is a fucking S tier. Go ahead. He did this year twice. The sheer force. And like the idea that he's like, oh, I'm just trying to jump with one leg coming up into the air, just straight like ballerina, line dancing, just bow. Just leg kicking?

Nah, man. I've never seen somebody flop into a dick punch. You see his arms, he flows him up. He's like, oh, like he wants contact. Like, he's crazy. He does this. He wants a shooting foul. This is a genuine talent of his.

He does this. He finds the sack. He's a generation. It's a heat secret to the sack. This man has a radar. He's a sack magnet? Oh my gosh. God, this shit is ridiculous.

Again, put that man in the lab. Sack Searcher Supreme Sack Hunter This is gross man All right Next up The time when Dremont Green Tackled Marcus Mart

Why are there so many of these Why are there so many moments He's an NBA player Stop tackling people That's a good B It's a solid run-of-the-mill Dremont moment Okay

Yeah that's solid That's solid What about the time When he knocked Jordan Poole the fuck out This punch crippled the dynasty As somebody who routinely roots against the warriors This is the best moments ever happened to me

That's dear I listen There's been some reporting in terms of like what was said I need the exact words That made Draymond Green go blind and see red To just knock Jordan pull out I need to know exactly what he said There's a lot of players who get a bad rap in the media

But you talk to other teammates and they're like No he's actually the best teammate ever a beautiful force in the locker room nobody has said that about Dremont Green since this moment's he's been on him since this moment bro this is when he jumped a shark and just went full with Dremont he bought too much into his stock

and was too much of himself and he's never recovered since hashtag tagglaski oh man what about when he put Rudy Gaubert in a chokehold the newest member of the S tier he saw red and saw an opportunity

to strangle this Frenchman who was stealing his DPOIs for all this year Wasted no time This is American imperialism At its finest He made sure He said the French will not take over the other I'm doing this for the country

There was so much intention He went there so fast It had to have been like a hired hit Like somebody had to put a fucking red dot On Doug on Google Bears forehead I don't think Dram on Green understands the irreplaceable,

irreparable damage that he'd done to Rudy Gaubert's career. He is now 100% guaranteed. Going to be a babytronverse. Swear to God. He's going to be in a babytron song, bro. It's over for him. It's over.

And then you got Cat in the background too. Kat trying to decide if he wants to step in, but he remembers. He got putting it in the last four years. He don't want no part to that. Cat was for sure like, oh, oh, am I going to do it? Oh, it's over.

He did that for 13 seconds. Nobody helped out Rudy Gaubert. Yeah. And Rudy Goberer was like, what the fuck, man? What the fuck? Hands straight up like this. You're just in shock like this, bro. Tag me him.

As soon as it was going to be, he's like, you're lucky. You're lucky I didn't get tagged in. I would have been there. Oh, man. Yo, I love this shit. All right, what about the time when Dremont Green karate chopped Austin River's neck? Mid three point

A karate chop to the neck is crazy There's so many He has a whole nine I genuinely don't remember all of them No An attack to the neck His lethal intent And he's done it twice now

Put an ass It's a neck It's a Okay Last one Last one Last year Last year

Last one When he tried To take Kauai letting it out mid-air. Oh, that was, that's just dirty. Yeah. Co-I was pissed off of this year. He was saying none. He walked up to Dramon and said, said a few words, too. So that is legitimately just like a bad basketball play.

And he's, he's, yeah, he's lucky Kauai is just like a robot who doesn't react to anything. If it was anybody, if it was anybody else like, at least they would have gone like forehead to forehead and they're like, don't do this again. Kauai broke out a character for a second. Kawhi broke out his character for a second And I actually walked up to him in and was like this Don't do that don't do that And since then he had to correct

Ever since he had to guard Kauai Or whenever he goes on an AFN kill Yeah put it enough just dirt You could have ended this man's career What the hell man that's serious What a guy What's crazy is what's crazy is There's more moments

Outside of this there's more moments This is we could have kept going Yeah man I didn't even mention the time when he when he put his entire finger into LeBron James, Nicola Yolkich and James Harder's eye. He gave him already eyes, bro.

Three MVP's something that's don't make this man don't like, bro. That's crazy. It's crazy as hell. Giving all of them pink eye and styes. That's a maniac. Oh, man. Somebody needs to put his,

someone needs a fucking devoted college course to setting his brain. Inside the mind of Dremond. Yo, this tier list could have been 20 minutes, but we're trying to spare you out. that's hilarious man yeah we can move on to the next thing

next thing I want to do change the vibe a little bit I want to talk about James Harding we just spent a lot of time talking about how the Clippers have been torpedoed by his existence he's been a negative presence in the lives of many Clippers fans so far

through six games at least I want to name some NBA players and I want to know if you guys would take them or James Harding to build your team around not put your team around but just who would you rather have on your team Or who's better in this current moment? It's going to take, listen, we're going to see what the gauntlet holds. I might just be, I might be taking everybody else.

It's a lot for me to take James Hardin right now. So it's real simple. Who's better James Hardin or this player? First up, Tyrese Maxie. Tyrese in my sleep. Tyrese in my sleep. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

Nope. The shooting is insane, younger. he's gonna be bro give me shut up bitch what are you talking about sorry Matt's cursing out Siri

yeah why you yapping damn yeah it's why he's yeah it's the passing yeah he got me on my bag

he was so quick he was so aggressive man it's just passing of the guard new generation running past the old motherfuckers give me Tyrese yeah bro

Tyree's easy next up McHale Bridges I'm taking McHale Bridges I'm taking I'm taking McHale this is a guy who plays defense

fit seamlessly into a lot of teams also very good vibes with James Hardin is the opposite of all those other bad vibes bad vibes, bad system

taking McHelby. He's going to take all the words he said that are good and do the opposite. That's James Hardin. Facts, he's going to give me the same 20. He's going to give me

great defense too. And that's all you need. Damn. Are you taking James? Are you taking James Isaac? I'm taking McHale. Listen, James Harding can't be the best player

maybe can't be the second best player. If I had to pick a third best player, give you McCale. He fits so much better in most teams. Easy. Next up. Desmond Bain the beard or the T-Rex give me the T-Rex with the strap let's go the T-Rex is like that doesn't bade is nice I'm taking the T-Rex as well

something you didn't want to say that let's go geo dude no it's still crazy like just the name value of like James Harden versus Desmond Bain and you're like no like it's pretty pretty easy like he's Desmond Bain facts that's great next up jalen brunson oh man this couldn't get any easier that's a disgusting celebration but yeah go ahead and give me jalen brunson yeah no one scoring scoring is peak it's it's sensational no ego again small exchange ew now i think jane it's not even a question this is some it's so easy he's so much better this is my god so much better so much much better. Okay. He's world better. I forgot. You're a next fan. Let's continue.

Lamello ball. This is a little bit closer, but still, give me Lamello. He's cooler. He's got a Puma deal. That's what I'm saying. I want my basketball team to have fun whenever they're out on the court. Lamello is going to make sure that that happens. Give me Lamello. Listen, you might win less games if you pick Lamello over James Hardin, but it'll be a lot flashier. It'll be a lot cooler. You have a lot more fun. Facts, who's going to give me cooler Instagram photos of posts? It's going to be Lamello 10 out of 10. Who's going to give me more likes?

Lamello. Yeah, this is the one where James Hardin's probably better, but I'm not going to be the one to pick Hardin. Lemo's been sniping over the last five games, though. Let's not sleep. Yeah, he's been, you know, a lot of triple doubles and stuff, but he also has Fred Van Bleet efficiency. So, this one's probably blind.

Blind. All right, man. Let's move on. The next thing we're going to do, I am going to, I'm going to show you guys some NBA lineups, and you're going to guess which team it is based on their colleges. We've done this before. You know, it works. You're going to see five colleges on a team on a court and generally where each position stands.

I'm going to guess which team it is. Okay. Let's do it. It's no simple. Very simple. Yeah. And to mix it up a little bit, to make it not easy, I added some question marks over teams. So, you know, you only have four.

Cool. So which NBA team? is this. Okay. So I already know, Mo, you don't have to say anything because I have this one already. There's two Dukes and that there's two Duke players and the point guard is some low level mid-tier school, mid-major school. This is the New Orleans Pelicans. Hard. Let's do it. Correct. Lehigh's finest, St. Jim McCollum at the point. This is the New Orleans Pelicans. I watch March Madness. The hell is that. The school CJ went to, apparently.

Never heard of the hell is that. What state of that? Don't ask me. I don't know that year. I don't know. I only watch college basketball during March. Damn. I don't even do that.

That's hilarious. All right. Next up, who is this team? Okay. So we got a Duke player and a Kentucky player in a Florida gator. I got this. I got this, Mo. Damn.

Mo. You all. Again? Take, take this segment off. I think I'm going on. This is the Phoenix Sun. incorrect what you're like I am mr. The Phoenix Suns you got me yeah thank you're right you're right you're right wow who what to I knew I shouldn't include a KD because

the Texas team will give it away because you went to Texas who went to Duke who went to Duke Grayson Allen yeah oh he's starting I forget damn yep got Bradley Bill a point guard you know he knows you know the vibes yeah all right next team who is this team Arizona Oh, I know this. My boy, my boy. Mo. Take this one off.

No way you know this fast. No way. Take this one off. This is the Indiana Pacers. Pacers. There we go. Oh my God. You got all three

within three seconds. You forgot. Obie Topping was a New York draft pick. I know what he went to home. And I knew Bruce Brown was over to sue. Come on.

And also, I'm like, yeah. I gave him too many biases to Donovan. Damn it. Clean sweep. that's the end of that segment next thing we're going to do yep

you fucking flew through it immediately so it's a world short as TikTok I'm here next thing we're going to do we're going to do a segment that we did a little while ago where we're going to look at NBA players

and talk about what job they would do if they weren't in the NBA all right sweet you've got to try our best not to be offensive not we you

but don't be a racist challenge So, which NBA job of these players do if they weren't in the league? First off, Zion Williamson. Zombie walking around with the hitch. He'd be limping up to this. Yeah, so to me, he'd be working. I was going to say. He's got to kill him in the animation.

Yo, that is crazy. We are right here. That's fine. You That's amazing This is his best work He is a hard working man With some gloves

And he's doing some type of Honest work at some facility And this looks like It's in right now Now Zaya Listen Zion We all know

He fits the build For every gym teacher in America That is his You sure he won't be a lunch lady? Listen He can't resist, so maybe. That's too far. I don't know.

He's crazy. You locked it up, I had to take it. Oh, man. Yeah, I can see Zan's a gym teacher. I think he just looks like he would like bark at some kids to run their suicides. Like, I can imagine it. Not even. It's like, hey, hey, hey, calm down.

No, no, he'd be a D-line coach for football team. I was going to say it looks like a football coach for sure, dog. Yeah, that's a defensive coordinator build. Yeah, exactly. All right, next up. Brooke Lope, I mean, Robin Lopez. Now, he is, he's in the NBA still, but he's not a player.

He's probably a mascot, to be honest. How ironic. He's not that. This man is working at a juice bar. That's where he's at. I was going to say, he's a yoga instructor. Yeah. This man's about fitness.

He's a yoga. Who is this? It's a fucking tired It's accurate as hell too Robin Lopez is somewhere living off the land Practicing fitness Nutrition Living his best life

Talking about chi or something I don't know Oh yeah no he's definitely doing breathwork in the mountains That's his body I just imagine him laying in the sand somewhere Feeding someone's girl strawberries bro That's what the life he gives me bro What the hell

Robin Lopez is Mr. Stere your girl that's it yeah bro with the hair I just that's crazy that's hilarious all right next one Rajon rondo um

I bet why is he laughing because because if I said it then we would have to cut so what would razon rondo do

oh man Rajal Rondo, man. He looks like he knows what he's doing. He's a mastermind. He can manipulate anybody and anything. He might be a mechanic. And he might be trying to scape him. That's where you went with that?

He's a mastermind. So he's a mechanic? Yeah, mechanics are masterminds. They're a mastermind. What? That's what Rondo is. I see two outcomes for this man. Either one, he's a coach of a girls basketball team or two.

He works for the CIA because he's a fucking genius that can interrogate people. a principal no this man works he's a hacker he works with the CIA destabilizing governments he's a he's a secret spy

he's a secret spy he's putting that mind to work one way or another oh man I love it bizarre all right next one we got

Anthony Edwards he's a hooper there's no way around it listen he was born to play basketball this is this is his destiny in every universe you can't imagine anything else there's abundant what about an actor he's already in the movie he wasn't good like he was good for a hooper because that's what he is in his soul he's a basketball player yeah and all be all we can't imagine anything else animation of him as a football player if he's not a hooper he's in another league so what number is that what number is that that's 11 and 15 mixed together these all AI generated i just realized oh my god yeah that's hilarious why does AI never understand how to make hands look at his

hand on the ball ew he's like spider man he's an integer claw leave. All right. I think it's water. Devin Booker. Oh man. Devin Booker, he's outside. No, he's outside right now.

That's going. He's a mechanic for sure. Well, I go like he doesn't love his old school. That's accurate. He looks like he works at an Apple store. Hmm. No, if you, listen, Devon, if Devin Booker was like 10 years younger,

he would have been the star of Pimp My Ride. He would have been the host of Pint My Ride. it would have been him in the exhibit it's a TV personality seeing Devin Booker I feel like he'd be outside of the streets in New York and he's trying to spread the good word of God to everyone bro

talk about how he changes life from his sinning ways that makes it sound like he was in prison are you saying Devin Booker would be a reformed felon I don't know about a reform felon man he'd just be admitting his vices that's great all right next one Draymond Green

Oh my goodness, bro. He looks like a correctional officer If I ain't seen one before Beating people ass on the low, bro, Just beating the fuck out of inmates That's his back right there Okay, that would be a bare knuckle boxer He's gonna be Wade and Kevin Hart

Oh, God This is the greatest episode of all time Oh my god Oh my god, bro What else is Jremont Green do? Draymond Green, man It has to stuff It involves something physical, man

It involves some physical and hurting people Whatever you're dancing around the truth We're dancing around the truth He'd either be an AEW or WWE jumping off the top rope Throwing people's elbows He's bored for the WWs He got the skill for that you ain't lying The mindset

I'll tell you that That's great Man's a performer at heart In all the violent ways possible Oh man Jaylon Brunson He's a teacher This is a school teacher

He's a school teacher Or an insurance teacher I was gonna say this man would be a governor This man is a public service Really? You can't You can't see it because he has the, he has a, God, I can't say. You can't see because he has the braids.

But like if he went, if he went to like a fade, no, he's, he's a governor. He's a congressman. I see him. Counsel president. I see him helping me take my groceries from the grocery store to them back on my trunk. That's what he's seen. It looks like a really nice man. I imagine the public.

Either way, he's helping people. Yeah, exactly. Very nice guy. Oh, doctor. That's a bro. No, he looks like a dentist. That's what it is. He's a dentist.

That's hard. We're all on the same way if I left to see it. Either way, he's making people's lives better. Shout out Jalen Brunson. Yeah. Making the world a better place. Last up.

Richard Jefferson. Oh, my God. This picture is dirty, man. What is your Jeff is to do in another life? Ironically, he's a barber. A barber? Ironically, he's a barber. A barber?

Listen, can you not see, can you not see Richard Jefferson with the, with the overshirt and the little towel over his head to give him people in the cleanest lineups? I see this man being a marketing agent, bro. He's trying to sell me on some shit or tell me how to sell some shit that he probably don't know how to sell it. No, I see this man sitting at a desk doing like Good Morning America. Oh my gosh. Him next to some white woman that are like talking about the news. Breaking news Ugly ass

You're right I see it It's like He's like Imsy Dexter Regis and Kelly Ew I see it I see it

I see it I can't even imagine it bro With some random ass Caucasian lady too Talking about American

Tragedy America We're in trouble America Has a problem Girls That was a problem That was a hit

Good morning Good morning He's Ron Burgundy That's great That's the last one It's so hot in here Got these lights beaming on me laughing too hard That's great

Next thing we're gonna do We got a couple more things Before we get out of here Just be quick though It's a long podcast Appreciate y'all sticking around If we're still here Comment Richard Jefferson needs to be on

No what should they comment What should a comment Tell me give a good one about Richard Jefferson Put that amount on Good Morning America Richard Jefferson needs to be on Good Morning America Comment Richard Jefferson needs to be on Good Morning America Put him on the view That's great

Next thing we're gonna do Real basketball thing Change the pace real quick I'm gonna we should be a blind ranking Y'all done this before you know how it works Five players y'all got a blind rank them Without knowing who's next Okay, okay

Real simple I can give with that cough my ass off today. Jesus. COVID. So, blind rank his NBA players should I know who's next. First off, Kyrie Irving. Solid three. He's a quintessential three. Yeah. We're here. We're here. We're here. Okay. Perfect. Looked you guys in sync. Next up, Tyrese Halliburton. Is there somebody better? Is there somebody better? Are we putting him at two? He could either be two or four. I feel like two.

is probably a safe place. We'll put him at two. We'll put him at two. Thank God. If you put Tyrese Hallibor below Kyrie, I would have lost my mind. Yeah. Next up, Tyrese

Oh, no, he is definitely four. He's four. He's four. He's four. Yeah, he's not better than Tyreis Halliburton. It can be one. No way. Not yet.

Okay. Soon. I don't know. Yeah. Give me 10 more games. I'm not get crazy. Oh, no. Listen, we're pushing narratives.

We're pushing there 10 more games He might be AI That's all I'm gonna say AI Oh my God Next up Jalen Brown

Five is So far this season Five is right Yeah This is tough This is just the way That the list Shakes out

He hasn't been better So far than these players So far this season Whatever way you want to That's also true That's also true Kyrie or Halley Yep.

Yeah, no, it's not happening. Yep. Damn. Last one. Tyler Hero. Oh my God. You set us up, Donva. Why didn't you see this shit coming?

I didn't see. This is my worst nightmare. This is my bad. You put the white man on top again. Oh, my God. No. No, I'm actually to destroy. I'm actually the shame.

Shame. Shame. Shame on you. Damn. But not for nothing. If you think about it. Listen, Isaac already has one strike this episode. Listen.

He's trying to put the white man on top. What I got a strike for? What did I do? All right, man. One more video for you get out of here. Trying something new. I'm going to have you guys guessed the top five NBA players born in Texas. Okay.

So like all-time rankings top five players. Well, I'm cooked, Donovan. You see that hat on your head? You better get this shit right. Carry me. Because I don't know who was born here. I start guessing I don't know

I don't know what's on their birth certificate You guys don't know any players born in Texas I know a couple We'll see what happened I'll start guessing you're guessing in the top five Okay Deering Fox Dairn Fox is not in the top five

Jimmy Butler What Jimmy Butler is number four Okay Okay Tommy carry me Let's Trey Young

Trey Young is number six He didn't make the top five damn don't carry me we might flop we might flop I'm letting you know that right now I have no idea who's who's on this list who is born in this state you got to take that hat off your head if you don't know man listen I went to the school I don't know listen do you understand how big the state is do you understand how big Texas is it's huge okay I don't I don't even know who's coming out of Houston Damn, is this not gonna work out?

No, it's not gonna work. Alright, we just grab it, there my guys, and it's not gonna work out, I don't know. Can you tell us the top-off? Yeah, it was Chris Bosch at one. When I don't that. Okay. Bill Sharman at two.

What the fuck is that? You're saying this up. You're saying this up. Sounds like the fucking, bro, what? Where are you from? Texas, apparently. How would have thought it was from Connecticut or some shit? Well, Marcus's always.

Lamarcus makes that five. Yeah, Lamarcus makes. Who the fuck hell is Bill Sharman? It sounds like the actual dude of the Mr. Queenie guy. Mr. Cleene guy. He was on the Celtics in the 60s. In the 60s, that's what he said. In the 60s, you gave us, you tried to have his guess one of these?

Give us one of these. Come on, man. Set us up for failure. My bad. There's two videos in a row, two TikToks in a row. You set us up. My bad. I don't appreciate it.

I thought y'all would have known. I overestimated your random trivia. knowledge. But my bad. We're in the episode on the dud. That's the end. If you're going to hear what should they comment. I thought we're talking about Richard's just another one to make it to the very end. Oh, okay six minutes later. What's they comment? Okay, what should they comment? They should comment. This is bad. Damn, what's the most of the comment? This is too dead. never mind no comment shit episodes over yeah see y'all there

we got that next time we got that next week goodbye