The Deep 3 Podcast - We Power Ranked Every Team In The NBA | Ep. 170

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

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You don't know what's powerful? What up? My disdain for the Los Angeles Clippers after they unceremoniously fired Christopher Emanuel Paul on a random Tuesday morning. It's ridiculous. How dear they?

Disgusting. Are we surprised? The audacity. The gall. I actually am surprised. I'm actually incredibly surprised. The Clippers found a way to surprise me by being

an even worse franchise than I can imagine. We've never seen this happen to any level of a franchise go ever, as you guys see by the title, speaking of power, 2025, 2026 power rankings. We're going to talk about the Chris Paul situation. We're going to talk about our opinions on every single NBA team right now

after about 20 games each, rank them 1 through 30. Well, honestly, we'll damn to open with the Chris Paul thing because, spoiler, the clippers are horrible, and they're going to be in our bottom five of the power rankings. So they'll be up right first to talk about. We'll get into why they're terrible on the court, terrible off the court, a whole lot else. Cue the intro music.

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So today is dropped. There's only one pair of mail. First come, first serve. But with that being said, Let's get into these power rankings. You guys know how this works. We're going to reveal all 30 of our teams on all three of our lists, starting from the worst five teams in the league,

moving up in blocks of five, until we reveal the entire landscape of the NBA. Starting with my list, we're jumping straight into it, from 30 through 26. I have the Wizards at 30, the Pelicans at 29, the Kings at 28th,

the Nets at 27, and the Clippers at 26. This is a tier where I could not give less of a fuck about the order. These five teams are all in despair for various reasons. Actually, I do care about the order, actually. The Wizards have to be last. That's what I'm certain of.

After that, these four teams give me in any order you want, these are the five despair teams. Okay. Listen, man, you all suck. You know exactly what it is. For Nets fans, for Wizards fans, you guys came into the year

knowing that you were going to be bad, you're bad. Pelicans fans probably tried to convince yourself to like, hey, you know, we got Skinny's eye and everything's going to work out does not matter he is out once again you're still going to miss time with zion which honestly at this point and i've obviously i've been on the side of trade zion for about like a year and a half now you really should be like let's let's just trade him like you

you have to be done with the experiment at this point yeah i agree at this point and the main reason why you're done with the experience is because you guys during my fears and of course someone who i'm just going to go ahead and jump in the gun someone who is the face of now your organization in Derek Queen the what's the famous thing that Jeremy said he said the dynasty starts after you to Dylan Brooks this is the ultimate case of that right now and because I agree with you Derek Queen is here Jeremiah fears here they're doing nothing but a whole lot of losing why not make their jobs a little bit easier and start implementing like positive positive habits onto the court in terms of defense one on because that'll be nice I'll hope you win a couple

of games yeah it doesn't it doesn't make sense either like I think I think you do have to trade Zion because obviously everything is in despair. We've talked so much. You have a daily tracker for the Pelicans record. You made me forgets. For the Pelicans pick. Because you don't have that to fall back on, that's why trading Zion and trying to get anything out of like your best asset is probably the way to go. Because they genuinely are back.

Once you fire your coach two weeks into the season, if that, I can't, I think it was even like a week and a half. into the year. Once that happens, you have signaled to everybody. Nothing good is going to happen this year. Don't get your hopes up. What's the worst type of bad here out of these five teams? I think the Wizards, they're like not the worst type of ass. You're rude.

Pelicans aren't the worst type of ass. You're rude. You know Dan Wallace and Clippers. You know Dan all the Clippers. You know Danwell, you know it's damn well. The Clippers are the pelicans because neither one of them have their pick. And you are a benefactor of that. And OKC. They're a benefactor of that. That is clearly the worst. It's, yeah, it's probably it's probably clippers because

unexpected tragedy is the worst. Like when it's out the blue, yes. So is it unexpected tragedy is worse because obviously you want to be good and you're heartbroken because your team is horrendous with win now veterans,

James Hardin playing the best basketball of the 2020s and you're still bad or is it worse to be the Pelicans when you make a dumb move everyone tells you it's dumb. Everyone tells you you are going to have one of the stupidest mistakes of the year and be in despair

and then that happens. So you have this whole three months months of the summer of saying, no, we made a good choice, we'll be good. We're going to stay healthy. And then what you expect to happen does happen. Is that worse? Because you have that impending doom. So both, neither of them have their pick. So it kind of, it cancels out like PEMDOS. So then, so that's why like the pick situation, that's why I would lean towards the Clippers. Because if we just want to go offseason stuff, the Clippers have their own version of offseason, you know, turmoil and all that stuff that's going on. So if you're

a clippers fan you'd say yeah all that stuff is going on with kawai but this team banded together before they showed us that they can win for the games they showed us that we can go on on a run and we can put it together for one more year and win a championship and then adam silver is going to have to have had to hand us over the larry o'briot trophy that's clearly not happening if it's not on 2k and i think that for them that's the worst scenario yeah unless the pelicans are forced to leave new Orleans and there's like this really was the worst major anchor in this conversation the Sacramento Kings exist. Yeah, yeah, they're also

bottom of five. I don't find the surprising. We did our predictions episode. I put them, I think, 14th seed. Obviously, Kings fans don't like that. But actually, there wasn't as much backlash this year from Kings fans as it was in previous years. When I've hated the Kings in the previous years, when they were fresh off with the beam season, maybe even two years removed,

they convinced themselves they're going to be good, and they were, like, astonished that we would have like, that I think it was one year before the Russell Westport trade where, like, the Lakers were a couple spots above them in like the plane range. And they were like, how could you possibly think Los Angeles is better than us? And that was like a common thing. Kings fans are very defensive.

I don't think that exists this year. I think they're pretty defeated and they understand their team is bullshit. We've talked at length about the Rosh construction making precisely zero sense. Their only saving grace is hoping for Kegan Murray, your four leap. That's about the best you could hope for. We know they're probably going to blow it up this year. Get very little for Zach Levine. Maybe get absolutely nothing for DeMar, maybe very little for some bonus.

There's no light in the tone for this team. I'm seeing Keanu Ellis, Tony Snell, graphics. Yeah. You're seeing trade factors where you better hope you get Dalton Kineck in a second. They don't get no worse than them, man. Because at least the Wizards, they got a young court, aka an Alex Arnick and Kishon, George. The Pelicans, Derek Queen, saves the day, and Jeremiah Fears, the Nets and P.J. Yes.

They had the new library marketing and a bunch of young players to hope in the second half of the year they're growing into something. Yeah. The Nets have something to watch for it. And at least the Clippers have, like, drama to go ahead and, like, this, like, to go ahead and confuse you off on the court and just take you to off the court stuff. The Kings, they're just bad all around. They don't even have good drama to talk about.

No entertainment value at all. And that's our thoughts on these bottom five teams. Not much to say here. You guys know what's up with these teams. They are the worst teams in the league. I imagine you guys have the same ones in different orders. So let's reveal them. I have 30 wizards, 29, pelicans, 28 kings, 27 nets.

And then I got the Pacers are 26. Okay, so you just were a little more gracious to Clippers for no reason, but I get it. Just for two seconds, yes. Yeah, I think the patients have a better chance of getting healthy and being spicy and, like, funky. So I'm like, okay, I'll choose to believe the Pacers will be, like, competent. I think the Clippers are headed towards an explosion.

So I did decide to get them any credit. But I get it. They're obviously also bad. I don't believe you. Mo. Mondon. The Pelicans at 30. The Wizards at 29.

The Nets at 28. The Clippers are 27 and the Kings at 26. Perfect. Same teams. Different combination of teams here. I mean, different combination of names. B.S. The Pels, you are at the bottom because you don't have your pit.

that that's why because because you're you're bad with nothing insight and zion's hurt again so they're going to go on another actually i would say that they're not playing any better at zon on the court so they're probably going to be exactly the same amen to zon shit is dead it's fully dead now we give him benefit out i lot of myself to have one more last hurrah of hoping this could be the year where he gets back to being year two year three zion because he got skinny and that presumably was a thing making him get hurt a lot in all of our uneducated minds skinny zion might have the best chance of being healthy zion might have the best chance at being a good defender's eye on moving around the court better, maybe he gets a little more bouncy like he was in your two or your three,

he has been worse this season than last year when he was fat but effective when he's on the court. Now he's skinny, ineffective, and getting more soft tissue injuries than last year. Two hamstring injuries, I think it's probably the same one re-agravated. He's been more, more slashing less good, defending equally as bad as when he was chubby. Trade him immediately. Who wants him? No, cut him. His deal has the ability because of the stuff in his contract with the games play stipulations and the way stipulations.

They can get out of this deal with no guarantee. in the remaining two years if they cut him, potentially, depending on how the rest of the season goes with his games played, they can just clear the books. And I feel that's in the cards. Yeah, I think cutting him can be in the cards. That's just too bad PR for your team,

right. Let's train him for something, at least a second round bigger, some like that. Cutting him wouldn't do any good for anyone. You're right, because a team that gets him could also just have that ability to cut him. So, like, it's not even a really a risk. You can get up very little for him,

and if he doesn't work out, you have the same out of cutting him. Exactly. Yeah, I'm over it. You had the longest. Until it gives me a reason to. I mean, if he comes back and plays really good, I'll like, okay, you've proved it.

But right now, I'm no longer hoping for good Zion. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised and we see him dominate again, but I'm no longer expecting a thing. Yeah. Next year, Donovan, who is your 25 to 21? At 25, I have the Hornets. 24, I have the Jazz.

23, I have the Pacers. 22, I have the Blazers. And at 21, I have the Dallas Mavericks. Okay, the Dallas Mavericks are very difficult for me to rank. I don't know if people are realizing it, but they're kind of getting it together a little bit. They've been better.

Three wins in a row. They beat the nuggets. They beat the nuggets off of a dominant Anthony Davis game. In this last game, they beat the Miami Heat, not off of a dominant Anthony Davis game. But in this game, Daniel Gaffir got hurt again, and Derek Lively is already out. So we saw extended minutes of Anthony Davis playing center, and they look pretty goddamn good. Ryan Ninhardt is emerging as one of the most surprising great gems of this draft potentially if he keeps it up. Cooper Flag is playing his natural position, no longer doing the point guard bullshit.

And ever since then, he's been averaging 20 points for game over those last 11 games, looking very efficient. as a slasher, he's shooting over 60% on twos. The three-point shot is non-existent, and he's still having above the average efficiency on his pretty good usage, while his defense is already incredible. This is looking like it's going to be a pretty respectable team for the rest of the year. Yeah, this is kind of where I thought

that the Mavericks would be overall throughout the year. Like, there was, we had a lot of conversations about Dallas potentially, you know, sneaking into like the plane or can they even be like the 8C because the defense is really going to round into form and you're seeing all of these pieces. This is kind of, you know,

like we said, starting to get into that rhythm. Clay has played better as of late. It hasn't been as terrible. He's had some better shooting nights than what it was. As he was bound to. Yeah. As opposed to the beginning of the year when it was like, hey man, you might have to go home in the

middle of the season. This is much closer to the idealized version of the Mavericks, pre-Kiree coming back. So for 21, yeah. You can be one of the best and more interesting teams of the bottom 10. I saw before you get to what you're saying one last Mavericks thought

I saw someone say that Jason Kidd is the one coach in the NBA that has legit gimmicks hilarious that he did this point guard Cooper flag bullshit just until it was time to get Nico Harrison fired and then he stopped doing immediately he's playing the long game and on top of that too Deandra Russell's on the bench

he's not getting any more starter minutes he's only playing like 15 to 25 minutes tonight which has been doing amazing work wonders for this team as well but I think the most interesting thing and the first like actual stutter that I have in my mind when it comes to reading your list is seeing the Portland Trailblazers. I think they're entirely too low and this tier right here is disgusting for them.

They're much better than the 22nd best team in the NBA right now. I would counter and say they should be but they're not. And I think that's a different conversation. Should they be much better? Yes. Preseason do we assume to be much better? Yes. Have we seen flashes them be much better?

Yes. I think there's a reason they were at. they're at where are they at whoa I just have the fucking brain aneurysm yeah there's a reason they are where they are in the standings for sure for sure I agree and I understand that

but currently in the I don't think they're the 22nd best team in the NBA right now that's kind of dragging it I don't think the Dallas Mavericks are better than them right now at all either I would okay so like I'll say so the Blazers last night they got a good window over over the calves

we would talk about the calves later but like that's a bad cabs lost to me that wasn't a good They were kind of just there But you win that game It is what it is But like you look on the year For the year

The like 19th in net rating The last like two weeks They're still you know Kind of around that range They have moments where they can push Some of the top teams And things look really really good Like they've had really really close

Games again against the top teams Like I've seen them push Denver really hard they went on the road beat cleveland another team that is i the idea of them is one of these like top contender teams but then you look at their overall record and they're nine and 13 and they don't win a lot of they don't win more than they lose and we're kind of that's a good starting point they don't win more than we're like we really we really are just kind of waiting for them to round into form and those eight those first eight games yeah of the tago splitter era where they were they were five and three and they were winning those games we're like man look look at them like

keeping it together even after chaunty we got a cat sighting she's here oh she's not tweaking today anymore either even even after even after those those eight games in that good moment it hasn't been the version of the blazers that we've wanted yeah the three seven in the last 10 games it's been a fall off drew holidays and hurt in that time which hurts them right now they are insanely depleted from the guard position they're playing players that you've never heard of at point guard right now players that they should have no business having serious respect cd man shadow caleb love yeah he's playing some pretty important minutes for them with your holiday out scoo henderson out that is probably why they're so bad right now so if you want to

get them benefited out for health assuming they'll get back to playing early season trebleers basketball having the offense be good enough despite the defense being worse than we all wanted to be then sure they can certainly get higher than 22 i do the same thing i put them right behind the mavericks I think I had the Trailblers at 21 actually and Mavericks at 20 I want to treat these I'm trying to treat these power rankings with a lot of recency bias

as like an ever-growing thing week by week. So it's really the last week and a half that the Mavericks I think are trending in the right direction Anthony Davis will be playing center now whether it's by their own accord by their own choice no

but he will be center now which will be good for the team's offense they have a 104 offensive rating with him playing power forward and a 16 with him playing center that is not a coincidence to me that is a good thing trending in that direction

Namart coming out, Cooper Flag looking like a star more and more day by day. I think for the next two weeks, the Mavericks will be a better team of Blazers. Yeah. Okay, that's fair to say. I think one of the most interesting talking points about the Troblasers,

we had this conversation maybe last week or two weeks ago or so. And it was about how the Troblasers... She just ran away. So the Troblasers are the complete opposite of what their identity was last season. And also, on top of that, too, their offense hasn't improved, like, pretty much at all. I mean, it's gone a little bit better

but that's just straight up to the power of the new budding superstar in the league in Denia of Dia and how Superstar is a crazy

you know what's funny he that's not crazy I promise you know The point three bonds assists look that way so I see what you're saying yeah he is of all the players

like a foot go called free throw merchants across the league right now yes there's none that it applies to more than Deni of Dia yeah right now their offensive rating

is 11.7 18th in the league last year was 11.7 23rd in the league so the offense is a little bit better. Their effective football percentage is 1% worse. You know why their offensive rating is better? Because they went from 20th in the league in free throw away to third. Denny has become a free throw god. He just gets the line nonstop, extremely shameless. And I'm obviously

someone who doesn't see it as a negative. I think it's good to get the free throw line. His scoring repertoire is very, very relying on those free throws though. The front of field scoring is good, not great, as you would think, for the 26 points per game. So that's the main difference offensively. And the defensively, like you said, they're worse now. Twenty first and league and defense. Yes. Not great. That's terrible.

But when I talk about Denny and how he's able to, I feel like he's starting to become a superstar in this league, I'm going to pause on that conversation just for a second. I'm not calling me that, but hey, the indicators are there. That ability to just carve his way into the lane and create so many good looks, create so many assists. He's fit in the NBA and potential assist, aka missed shots. And the only other type of players who have that type of bag or guys like, Cade, guys like Yolkich, guys like Devin Booker, who's obviously the point guard over there, too.

He just generates so much attention. And those are all guys who call superstars too. With any of the court, his offensive rating is 120, I believe. Him alone is one of the better offensive, one of the 15 best offensive players in the entire league. With him on the court, they're better by four points from three point line, efficiency-wise. They have a 50% true-shooting percentage, them as a team compared to 50 when he's off. of the court. He just has superstar screaming all over

him, or at least traits and habits which lends you to believe that, hey, this guy can be like, we need another guy next to him, preferably a point guard or whatever, to help, like, usher this team into the next level. Now, will they get that anytime soon? Eh, probably not. But this team is

just poisoned destined to just really, like, make a leap. Maybe not this year. Maybe it'll be like at the end of the year type thing. I don't know, but at least next season. As of now, they don't have enough playmaking. They don't have enough shooting. It was kind of what was expected.

And defensively, Denny has gotten better. I mean, offensively, Denny obviously has taken a leap. Defensively, the playmaking isn't quite what it once was with that extra usage, extra offensive responsibility. A tail as old as time. So I think 22 is fine for them right now. They could obviously earn their way higher, especially if they get healthy, get drew back, get scoop back in something.

Guess what? They can see, they can say something that no one else has the opportunity to say, ever. They beat O. Casey this year. Fantastic. They beat O. They beat O. They do have that. They beat them in a.

game where they're down 22. They do have that going for them. Mo, who is your 25 to 21? Next up, I have at 25 the Clippers, 24 Hornets, 23, the Bucks, 22, the Jazz, and 21 the Mavericks. Okay, so we all respected the Mavericks in terms of thinking that this is pretty real because a week ago they would have been close to 25, I think. Yeah, a week ago, you're right, they would have been in the back half of this year for sure.

But going back to what you said, seeing the improvements of their offense overall and Ryan NM.R. just really coming in and taking in the range of the starting point guard. after they gave opportunities to another undrafted rookie and then you tried to push the delo thing. Of course, he started off with the Cooper Flagg thing. They have more of an identity now and they look somewhat closer to what we all like envisioned them being before the CETA started.

Yep. The Cooper Flagg looks so good right now. His slashing is insane. His defense is insane. Like this, all we need to make this guy will be one of the top 30 players in league right now is a three point shot to go in at somewhat respectable level. 23% in the three in the last nine games.

But in those nine games, like I said, 60% from 2, 3.7 assists a game, 20 points per game, being an elite defender already, he's ready to be a start if he can shoot just even a little bit. It's so funny, say that about everybody. And it's obviously true. But at least he's a prospect of a shit. Yeah, and like he, like, I actually believe that he can be a good shoot. Like his jumper has never looked like one that is like broke.

He will be a good shoot. I almost guarantee you. Like he's not a man Thompson. Like this is not a leap in terms of what we expect for him as a prospect. It would be shocking if he wasn't a good shooter. Exactly. So, yeah, the Maverton, at 21 is good. Bucks at 23, very, very recent bias of like, hey, you guys suck right now.

Your best player doesn't want to be there. He just got hurt. Yeah, I probably should have dropped him. Probably said he dropped him with knowing the Janus news. Yeah, yes. They, yeah. It's hard because, like, when they have Janus, they're well equipped to play around Janus and he can carry you far and he can make them a top 20 team clearly.

We saw it for the first couple weeks. He's gone now for up to him. month again like they're absolute horse water whenever he's gone like they're pure dog shape he's not going to be there and their schedule doesn't lend them well at all what heck what do you know i've never heard horse water before horse water is hilarious like they're going to be absolutely terrible without yannis like that a clean thing for the next month they might be 32 they might be the worst team in the league like who do you want the seven game series start today the busmen know yannis or the wizards i mean listen the wizard just beat a different

The reason just got him. Seven games series. You're taking Ryan Rollins or Alexar? And Alexar wasn't even in the game when they beat him too. He was out. Yeah, that's tough. Marvin Bagley? Yeah, Marvin Bagley was going dumb, bro.

He was eating them alive. Bro, Miles Turner's pissing me off every time I catch a little Bucks game. It's over, man. This is the last time that we talked to him. It's hell, bro. They got the Sixers tonight. Pistons, Celtics, Nets, Raptors, Timberwolves. Yeah, that's five.

Instant. You know what's funny? I saw, I think it was Bobby Marks on Twitter talking about this should be a get-right era for them with Yonis here now healthy. They should be able to get back in the standings and be able to convince them we're back in the playoff range. Now that might be six straight losses even though those teams suck. Yeah, it's over. It's super over. Man.

I have Pacers 25. Horn is 24. Jazz 23. Bulls 22. Blazers 21. Y'all were very generous to the Bulls. And the horseshit they've been putting on the fucking field in the past two weeks. Vucevich looks at the worst player in the NBA

these past couple weeks. I'm so sick of watching Vuccivich. Obviously the defense came back to Earth and all the stuff that made them a 5-0 team to start has come back down to Earth. This team sucks. We've gotten there early this year of just being extremely frustrated. We're watching the Bulls play. That's fair. I think like I don't know. Okay, so like with the Mavericks

and the Blazers, like the Blazers are a disappointing team to me, so that's also kind of why I put them there. The Mavericks, they have been rising, but I haven't felt like they are 100% there yet like I still want to see just a little bit more it's it's also hard to say that when the bulls have been playing the way yeah yeah I don't know it's not like unbelievably ash right now over the last seven games they're one and six right there with like the bottom of the bottom you can you tell me the teams they lost you in those six games teams they lost to I got you they lost to the Orlando magic they lost to the Indiana Pacers

excuse me the hornets uh pelicans they lost to the bulls again twice back to back. Who? The Bulls twice, back to back again. We're talking about the Bulls. Yeah. Oh, we're talking. I'm talking to, that's hilarious, bro.

So would they lose it back to back? I'm reading off of the Bulls schedule. My bad. They beat Portland. Okay. I was reading wrong inversity. Okay. So redo all that.

What is their last team? My own was twisted. What is their teams in the last seven games that they went one and six against? So they lost against the Hornets. Okay. They lost against the Pelicans. Yikes. And they went ahead, loss against Miami, whatever.

You went ahead and lost against the Utah Jazz, but that's like a different type of loss. You gave up 150 points to the Utah Jazz. And then the Pistons as well. So normal losses after that. But really that last few games stretches. They've been losing some Dodger teams in the last seven games. It's the point of that.

They've been losing some BS losses. They are not a good team whatsoever. Like all that cute stuff with the fast break points with the Josh Giddy Renaissance running up and down the court. staff stash stuffing the point three bounds assist none of that is leading to wins right now everything about them is bullshit I hate this team

yeah I'm surprised at 22 for the even it really it really just like lower low key I mean I guess put them below the jazz I don't care yeah it's fine I don't care I don't care

tell me I won't yeah that's this year let's move over to the top 20 I mean any words about the jazz hornets or Pacers before move on I have no words for the jazz for real There's a jazz The respectable 11C jazz

Like they've known to be Hornets don't move me at all Anytime I watch them They're getting belt I would like to see Charles Lee Have a real basketball team at some point I want to see what he's got And he just doesn't have a real basketball team

But thank you for the free win last night I did appreciate that Yeah they're pretty bad Yeah Top 20 Mo who do you have 20 through 16. Ew. 20.

I have the Bulls. 19. I got the Grizzlies. 18 Celtics. 17. Trowblazers. 16. I have the Philadelphia

76ers. Okay. So Bulls, barely squeaking your top 20. Fair enough. This was kind of hard to me.

Grizzlies. Actually, who did I rank around this range? Grizzles is a hard to rank right now because I'm unsure when Jaws supposed to come back. But looking at the

Oncourt product right now and seeing how Zach Eady just fills up every single issue that they've had prior to him.

being off the court, obviously. I sense an uptick and wins currently. It's coming. It's the, it's deeming, it's piling. He makes everybody better. He looks like he should have been a fucking top five pick in last year's draft. I sense a run coming. Yeah, Zach E. Renaissance is the only thing that made me think, okay, maybe there is something

here. But yeah, I think I put him in pretty much the exactly the same spot as you. I did. I think my next. No, most died. Okay, just do the whole tier. Donovan, he got. At 20, I have the grid, at least 19.

I have the Bulls. 18. I have the bucks. 17, the 76ers, and at 16, I have the Phoenix Suns. Okay, I have the Mavs at 20, the Grizzlies at 19, the Bucks at 18, the 70s sixers at 17, and the Warriors at 16. Oh, y'all gave the bucks a little bit more respect than I thought. Just, oh, so I think I might have put them here before the Yonis injury news.

Yeah. I assumed to be healthy now, and I was giving the credit for the first six games or so whenever they were looking pretty good with him there. So I was like, okay, they're good again. Like, you know, I don't think you're a worst team if your best player is out, and he's here now. Like, I'm not going to hold it too much against. you that you're it's impossible to win when your MVP caliber player is gone so now i'm like okay

your MVP caliber player is back you'll be good again going forward now he's not there so now they're going to be dog shit again so they should probably be in the tier below this yes okay but grisies at 19 we all agree they're in this range we all the 76ers in this range they're also hard to talk about given the fact that tyrus maxi is the top what 15 player in the league right now yeah like on the low end yeah he's something like he's pushing he's pushing talks like doesn't look that different to me Donovan Mitchell these days. Obviously the Paul George of it all. He just came back.

Joel Embed, I think, kind of to treat him like a non-entity right now. He's not going to be there and they're building without him. Still a pretty respectable team, but floating around 500 for the entire season. Yeah, I think that's kind of just where they are.

I tried not to have Maxi's Ascension color everything that I look at when it comes to the Sixers because if I just, if I just focus on Tyree's Maxi, this team is, you know, top 15, top 12.

of all of that stuff. They still have a lot of stuff that they have to work on. And even still big parts of their team are in and out the in and out the lineup. You do have like when we first, okay, when we were looking at this team

early on in the season, it was, wow, you have Maxie and you have Vijay. It's called, oh my goodness, we have the star duo. Vijay hasn't played like that in weeks now. So it really has been all on Tyrese until we're watching his ascension. Everybody else has.

still trying to figure out kind of where we're at and figuring out how can we be the best versions of ourselves. And so, like, they're good and there's some nights with, like, they can be very spunky. But we also had another, we had a clip. We were talking about, like, hot takes. I said that for me, my hot take was that Maxie was going to win Clutch player the year because they're in Clutch situations all the time. They're not beating anybody ever by margin. All of their games. Like, it doesn't matter who they play. they are going to go down to the wire with. And so on a nightly basis, that puts you around 17, 16, or 15.

You think the sons are worse than the Warriors right now? Man, no, the Suns are definitely better than the Warriors right now. And it's such an awkward conversation. I spent so much of money. That was something that we would never would have thought was possible in any type of universe at all. I'm someone who gave the Suns like a little bit more respect here, at least in our preseason predictions and shit. and to see how where'd you put them again

just a little bit higher probably like 12 you've been real happy to talk about how you were on the suns where'd you put him did you put him in the plane yeah I put him in 10 just barely higher

okay barely higher I'm fact checking that by the way yeah let's check that he wasn't higher than us but was he like

was he high enough to be like I was high on the suns I have no idea compared to where we were talk how we were talking about him and where we put him yeah we were super low so you definitely were higher than us

but tell me put him in the plane range then you can have it I hope so. If they were 10 or higher, you got it. I'll find it. Let's do it. But yeah, the sons, I put them above the Warriors.

I put the Warriors at 16, and that's why I want to talk about it. The Warriors are currently seventh in defense. What we saw last year when they had Jimmy Butler and Jamong Green on the court, the brilliance of those two as team defenders, has still been there. Offensively, there are 20 seconds. And Steph Curry's missed some time. Jimmy Butler, in those games where Seth Curry misses time, produces exactly 0% more than he does when Seth Curry is there.

He is not assertive at all. Those days of aggressed Jimmy Butler being the guy you need. whenever your guy like Seth Curry's gone. He just doesn't want to apparently does not feel like he wants to at all. Also, I have the facts now. You're a liar. I'm a liar. Where'd you put him? Where do you put him? No, no, no. Where'd you put them?

Now that I remember, I think it was the stream. Where did you put him? So with the live stream, people, if you remember, I said, I wish I would have put the suns higher. What did he just say? I said, I think I put him into playing range. But where's up? Okay. Play playing right? I put him 13, I think, right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. You had him at 14. I had him at 14.

He had him at 13. Exactly. Your play in range consisted of Warriors, spurs, Mavs, Blazers.

Warrior Spurs, Mazz Blazers. We would let him get the shit off for weeks. He was high on the suns. Fuck out of my face. No, no, no, no.

I'm fucking in your face. Because you have them as one of the worst teams in the conference just along with us, buddy. No, I had him hired you.

You are a liar. I had it higher than y'all. This is a stolen valley. We all had, we all had the same bottom three teams in Utah, clinics, and Sacramento. Correct. I had the king's heart of y'all and had the sun's tired of y'all. Straight to our face. I'm telling the truth.

There was no way. I said I had them. I was higher than y'all. I do remember the Convo of you defending their honor a little bit. But it's just funny that we keep referencing it with it. I'm not saying they were to a 10 seat or nothing like. You're pulling, you're pulling receipts when like everything also that we said in the, Every standings, especially out west,

we're like, yeah, like we're putting them here, but, you know, it's like two, like a one game difference. Like, you probably think that they're going to have the same record as the Kings. No, I don't. I don't believe that. You literally said they were one spot. One spot higher. Makes you add that in there.

Nevertheless, they're currently better than the Warriors. So Fugazi. Are we? You think it's for Gaezy? Oh, no, no, no. No, no, you. But yes, they are, they are better. Yeah. Are you guys panicking by the Warriors? 100% We all put them in the playing range I think I put them at seven

Sounds like you did two I'm sure you did something Around similar lines Yeah And you can't write them off I mean Steph Curry If he gets healthy Like we know

You don't want to see them In a playoff series They got the best two players in the core All that typical stuff We talk about with the Warriors Still there The supporting cast is even worse

Than we thought And we didn't think it was good I think this is There Another evolution Above the Clippers In the sense of You guys are really

old. Yeah. That's all we talked about in the preseason. All we talked about was the average age because that one graphic. That's it. And, you know, we, there's, there's always signs and I've said it about the clippers of like, maybe we should have known that you bringing together this retirement home isn't going to be the best case scenario. And for the Warriors, obviously, shout out, Al Horford, like, you know, he's been just Al Horford, whatever, like throughout his career. And he wasn't bad last year either but that is that was supposed to be like the big joker of oh yeah we got out now we're we're going to we're going to be good we're going to be dominant we got the the first five to eight games of commingo changing everybody's life and then immediately immediately after that jimmy

butler and draymond green are are taking shots of people in in the media stepf curry has has injuries this team cannot withstand any of that if the vibes are bad if set curry is not out on the Florida. The average age is not there. They had a back-to-back early on where we're three weeks into the season. And they're like, yeah, the guys aren't going to play tomorrow. I understand low management, but you're already giving up games because you have to sit guys because you're old. This team, I am very worried about them.

The 22nd offensive rating, like I said, as of right now, per clean the glass, which factors out garbage time. So it might be different overall. Since Steph Curry was drafted, they have never been 22nd or worse, except for the year in which he got hurt. only played those few games. 2020, they were 30th. They're horrible.

Every year that Steph Curry has played games. They have been at least 21st, which is what they were in 2021. Everything else, they've been much higher than that. This is the worst offense to the Steph Curry era as of today. And granted small sample size, he's missed some games. So they'll probably get higher. They'll probably crack that top 20 threshold. But like just barely.

I don't see top 10 offense in the cards. Everything is such a struggle offensively for this team. And I think for me personally, one thing that's just, we all knew it was kind of fake, but I at least wanted to give it some hope and see narratives rewrite themselves, you know? And that narrative that I'm talking about was Jonathan Camiga for specifically like the first, I don't know, three to five games of the year, he was looking different. And these last few games, he recently just came back from injury, but he's been shooting three for ten from the field, four for eight, nice, pre-injury.

It was six from nine, oh for one in the game, he got hurt, and one for nine. Overall, he just hasn't been good. And there's a lot of smoke out there, a lot of like, liked tweets and retweets that people involved with him. We talked about in the offseason when they signed him to this qualifying offer deal that he was going to get traded very clearly.

Then the first few games happened, he was looking good as a good role player for approximately three games. He said, oh, cool. Maybe he doesn't got to get traded. This is exactly what they need from him. It's finally happening. He's super getting traded.

December 15th or is it January 15th. Whatever the date is for him, I always forget, the fact that those two dates are dates for different types. It's so weird. never remember which is which by January 15th this motherfucker is on the block he's getting traded immediately and yeah they just they don't have any juice offensively they don't have the room creation we want because they don't have the comminga guy the athletic slasher jimmy butler is still the frito

guy but isn't giving them any type of interior scoring outside the fritos that's going to move the needle they don't have good big man to be rent protectors i'll hope for's a million years old and he looks a million years old the shooting they're their highest in the league in three-point frequency their 12th and three point makes they're just kind of mid around their three stars who are very old yeah it feels like they've also taken this idea of hey we just have to get there and then we'll be anybody in the playoffs and the we'll probably see the urgency from them whenever they trade coming and then that like we know that that's going to be they're all in move that's going to be the thing that they look at and they identify and say what do we need and

then commingo would be the piece that goes out and tries to get them that but I do feel like for them, it's very just like, you know, la-di-da. Like, it's okay. The sky's not falling until it's going to crash out from under them. Yeah. And they're once again going to be in the playing. And if they're playing, you know, like I'll pull up the standings right now. But if they're in the playing, because right now they're eight, they have a seven, eight game against the suns.

The sons are better than them. They can't lose that game. Yeah, they can. I'd probably I'll probably still pick the Warriors scenario because I still think they had the lock in phase but it's not a guarantee at all But there's also been times with the with the worries With that locking phase which also just happens with age

Where sometimes you just can't lock in like that And they might be in a situation towards the end of the year Where we have to really really push and scratching claw Just to get ourselves out of nine to get to eight And then now that bleeds into the seven eight game Like their margin for error is not high And looking at and looking at them and looking at them right now, 11 and 11, 5 and 5 over the last 10 games, they are mid.

Yeah. And going back to what you said about their margin of error is not high at all. Every single, it feels so on schedule at this point. Curry clearly still is not peak of his powers, obviously, but he's still very certainly a top 10 player. We've seen him earlier in this year. Go back to back and give the, not damn, not back to back, but damn you're back to back. Give the San Antonio Spurs fucking 40 twice in multiple occasions.

bro so he clearly still has it in him but to the point to the fact that where he's like missing games here and there and as of way he hasn't been playing i think you heard his quad or something like that against the houston rockets if i remember correctly and like if he's out you just have no hope and you're literally right back into 2021 type timing yeah they're very very unwatchable without step curry i do still think there's a chance they rocket up the standings and get it together probably with a post trade deadline push because they certainly should be adding a role player or two all the players that the lakers are linked to all the her Jones, Keon Ellis, Buzz, the Warriors

are also linked to them. Yeah, they also need those type of guys. So I'm not completely selling my stock in terms of them being a dangerous playoff team, but I have no reason to be optimistic right now, other than previous reputation. I will say, shamefully, I had the Warriors this year above this. I hope it's

barely. Next up, at 15, I have the Hawks, 14, I have the Sons, 13, I have the Celtics, 12 I have the magic, and in the biggest surprise the season, as of the first power rankings, at 11 I have the calves which in terms of what we would rank

them preseason this is clearly the biggest disappointment of the season actually never mind because the clippers exist but in terms of teams that aren't

utter disasters the biggest disappointment of the season outside the bottom five yeah they I like you watch that game against the Blazers last night

and I was watching and I was like man Jalen Tyson is 1,000% right like everything that he says like you know it shouldn't it shouldn't be the bench guys and the role players

coming in and bringing the energy and even watching them lose that game was honestly crazy because Donovan Mitchell and Nevermobley started all crazy. Like they were both super, super hot. Jalen Tyson was doing stuff in transition. Tomlin was hooping, right?

He's just crazy effort. Crazy effort, crazy energy. He's always like just around the ball, just doing stuff. And then somehow you look up, it's halftime. He's like, yo, what happened to our lead? Like where is everything? And as soon as as those guys went out, It never felt like the Cavs were able to be super physical with the Blazers.

It never felt like they were able to bring any type of energy. And that kind of has been the story of their season along with the Darius Garland injury part. Yeah. And it feels like what's so depressing for this Darius Garland injury is that he's playing through the toe thing. He has the steel thing covering his toe, whatever they have to get used to playing with. And that alone will just completely slowly your season because obviously like, The team took a step back in terms of playmaking. And they let Tyrone walk for whatever reason.

They traded for Lonzo Ball in exchange for Isaac Crow. Cool. We all understood the ramifications of that, at least here on the set. And we understood that this is a different level of playmaker, but we didn't understand that Lonzo Ball is the worst fucking offensive player on this team in terms of scoring. He doesn't. He is anti-Buckets. I don't know what he is.

He just allergic to getting buckets, bro. He's shooting like 29% from the field. 54% of something like that from the free throw line does nothing. He does nothing when it comes to putting the ball in the basket himself. And not being a threat from that end, just handicaps your ability to be a true, like, star level, not even star level, a true great playmaker in this league. They're just nothing closer to the team that were last year.

In so many ways. Obviously, the headlines have been like their lack of dog after that comments on the players a couple weeks ago, a couple days ago. That is all true. They aren't playing hard right now. in strange ways, which I don't know.

It's always weird saying they're not playing hard because they want to win. But I feel like not playing hard typically manifests itself by like actual deficiencies that are on the roster

not exactly effort. They just don't have the like willpower to make up for it. They cannot stop fouling. They cannot defend without fouling the 28th in free throw rate right now.

Offensively last year we made them so special was pretty much their system and Darius Garland. Playing through Darius Garland was the reason that they felt so lubricated as an offense.

They move that ball. Donovan Mitchell only averaged 23 points per game. If Donovan Mitchell was not having to average 30, that is a good sign. I don't like basketball for the Cavs

that necessitates Don from Mitchell scoring 30 points a night. That is not good hoops with this system. When they're moving around off ball last year with Donovan Mitchell,

playing through Garland as a passer, doing all these cuts where Evan Moble is getting moving towards a basket, utilizing cutting as a spacing tool to make the double

bigs work, generating nonstop threes. Their shot location was incredible last year. The shot quality is nothing like that right now. They went from first in the league and effective focal percentage to 16th.

They just are not creating the same looks right now because Darius Garlant either isn't there or cannot blow by anybody because of the toe issue. His health is going to be the handicap on this team's ceiling. And then everything else they're doing is just a very, very neutered version of what they did last year. Everything that made all the margins work

is going the other way. And the other thing that people aren't talking about enough is if Dara's Garland isn't going to be your main playmaking engine, create these paint touches, creating these efficient looks from the corner and from the dunker spot, You need to have Jerome to do that.

He's the reason he leads last year went from being pretty solid with the starters to blow in teams out the door when the bench mop came in because he could create paint touches and do all the same things and keep those system moving. Without him there, they have no other look. It is right now Donovan Mitchell basketball or bust. And when Garland is getting downhill and he's able to dictate like the offense with his corn and just with his ability to get into the paint,

when he's on and we've seen this throughout the throughout the course of things he like he's able to set up things so much easier for a Jared Allen for and Evan Mowgli and if Evan Mowgli isn't going to go go ahead and turn into this crazy offensive star that can create for himself night in and night out then you do need Darius Garland to be that version of himself he was he was trash last night he was not he was not good and long you mentioned it Lanzibald hasn't hasn't been good And so you went from having one of the best back courts in the league to having one of the most underperforming. Yeah. And something that a lot of us said about the Cleveland Cavaliers all last year when they were going on there for their terms, historic run.

When in like 64 games or whatever it was, it felt like they had two starting line. It was there that love, love good. They had so many different types of looks. There are plenty of times that we're looking at Ty Jerome and like, yeah, we can't name a backup garden league. That's better than that guy. And you lose all those things. You still have Max Cruz there. You still have Sam Meryl who's who's whooping his ass off.

Matches, of course, he's there, but he hasn't been playing fucking any games. General Tyson's there, and he's, like, one of the brightest spots of this team, but they just lost their, they lost their mojo completely, and they just have no fucking swag at all. It just, it feels like they play in Cleveland right now. They really are a swaggerless team now. And last year, they had those sauciest offense in the league by far. Like, the way they were flying around the ball, one of the biggest indicators to me in level

of sauce of this team is. they went from first in transition efficiency to 17th. That transition offense was so lethal because the corner threes they were generating. Because of the fact they could push the ball, Donald Mitchell can get the ball up going down the court. Derr's gone, just flying to the corner, splash from the corner every single time. Or Max Struce

or DeAndre Hunter late in the season. Or X player X. They had a super deep roster that could all do this and create good looks all the time. They just can't do that anymore. They aren't the efficient shot making factory they were last year. I'm looking at it right now. The 21st in the entire league in just three.

point makes and so it's like makes sense that makes sense i mean and we should we should all caveat also caveat they have been fucked with injuries too so they are just a good injury stretch away from maybe putting it together but all that could be we could get good health from everybody up and on the roster seems like the dari's garland injury thing is going to be hanging over the head the whole entire scene exactly if it's lingering then i don't even know how to move forward with this team in terms of giving them any real expectations because you know why i've been the biggest daris garland shooter in the world for his entire career that's one my favorite young players when he got drafted has been one of my favorite veteran players to

gets older the whole story of his career has been can you say healthy as a small guard yeah when you get to year six year seven and we're still having these issues where the injury is different the whether you're playing on the court injured or off the court unavailable there's different ways you're getting injured in different ways it's affecting your game and your team but the through line is injuries have been the handicap for you and your team it's a problem yeah so I think I will say they're from a last season perspective obviously they're cooked like i don't think anybody should expect them to be finals favorites to yeah to be finals favorites any type of a team that's going to win 64 games or anything like that you just are another team in the east of conference at this point

that's that's all you are and maybe we maybe this is the year where everything actually breaks right for you in the playoffs and people stay healthy and you can make make a run and we can't get to to the East of Conference Finals. I'm not expecting that. And I think that right now, they probably are just a second round exit. Well, they're lucky the East is wide open.

So I'm still not going to write them off yet. Because like I said, if they get healthy, by the time we do our second power rankings, whenever that is, forget when we do number two, they could be back to top 10 pretty easily. Like,

they're still on the cards. Yeah, it is. But, I mean, there's two teams already out east that we're going to have ahead of them. If they got into a series

with the Magic in Orlando one, it wouldn't shock me, right? So that's, So that's, that's just what I'm saying of my expectations for where the cab should be at the end of the year has completely been recalibrated. Yeah, yeah. So you're right. My expectations have been recalibated as well, but my hope for an upside is still there.

But I agree. I do no longer, I'm no longer saying you have to be top two. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Rlander Magic at 12. Is that in the high end? Is that higher than you guys put them? I, so for my first version, I think I put them somewhere around this range.

And then last minute, I wanted to change them and put them a little bit higher. So not much higher, but a little bit higher. So I like where you're having right now. What'd you do here? So I need to putting them at 13, but going back to my complete list, 15 calves, 14 hawks, 13 magic, 12 sons, and 11. I had the Miami Heat. Okay, 12, 12 sons. So two spots higher than me.

So you believe. You believe. Is this because you were writing with the, I was high on them thing? So you're going all the way? A little bit. But more so, I'm looking at Concollepsy. I'm looking at Dylan Brooks and just like all of the unsung here. It's crazy, bro.

I'm one of the best catch-shoot players in the entire world. Shout out Colin. Talk about Dylan Brooks, who's the number two option, putting up, what, 21 a game? Let's talk about him. I love Dylan Brooks. Fucking hell. You know what? I'm pissed that they're good because I've said it on the show several times now.

I wanted the Lakers to pursue him so bad. And maybe it wasn't possible because maybe LeBron hates him. And Dylan Brooks just threw more fire into that flame a couple days ago when he said, LeBron less guys that bowed down, I refuse. He was asked if LeBron took exception to his trash-dogging. He was always. He's a bitch. He was like, yes, of course.

So maybe they hate him, and they're not going to do that. I was praying the sons to be bad and settle off. He would be the perfect player for the Lakers. But that's not happening because he's been a godsend to this team. And I can't believe we were a couple years removed from a headline that said the grillsies will not retain him under any circumstance. And I saw that tweet with the Shams thing. And if you go in the replies, it was pre-Elon fucking up the replies. it's all blue checks up the top now.

So you could see the common consensus of the time. Everybody was saying, get ready to speak Shanghai, get ready to speak China, because that's when that meme was alive. Everybody agreed Dylan Brooks was a bum in 2023. And now we're here where he is one of the best culture setters in the NBA. Yeah, absolutely. That's so valuable. Specifically going back to 2023, he, I'm not going to say he wants a bum, but there would be

so many times he was actively hurting their team specifically to playoffs because he would hijack the fuck out of their offense thinking he was. Canadian Kobe, you know, and at this point in time, he's very much Canadian Kobe. He was early, we were just late. I forget he's Canadian. Yeah. See, he was hijacking the offense. Like, Grizzies team needed that. Like, you want, you a half court offense through John Morant? Like, obviously he was better back then, but like they always needed some shots to be taken. So I think that was over was exaggerated. But there was some playoff moments where he wasn't making the shots. So it was really easy to slander him. Yeah. But yeah, number two teams in a row where he comes in,

he gives him defensive intensity. We've seen two teams in a row now. He can scale up offensively and handle more load. And the, the two, The two more, like, interesting parts about this is that, one, the three-point shot isn't crazy, right? A lot of times when you see guys in their, their offensive output rises, you'll see, like, oh, they're just shooting better. That's fine. That's not, he's shooting 32% from three. He's out here getting old-school buckets. I'm going to put you in the blender.

Come up here and try to guard me type of buckets. And nobody is able to stop that. And this is back-to-back teams. And even with the Rockets, you go there and you are, you know, Mr. Culture Setter, I'm going to help, you know, put the dog in the team, all this other stuff. There were still moments where you're looking at Houston saying, all right, Dylan, like, don't scale up, right? Like, don't, don't stay right there.

Stay right there. Yeah, yeah. Like, you're going to swing, swing, swing. You're not doing that, right? Everybody is telling you swing, swing, swing to get the ball to Dylan Brooks right now. And so I think that that's one of the major distinctions about how he's playing now and the kind of production that he's getting out as opposed to in Houston.

44% of his shots are coming from the midrange right now. That's insane. That's 95th percentile for he's listed as a wing. And he's currently shooting 52% from midrange. 75% at the rim. Doesn't get to the rim a lot, but highly efficient there. 52% is like Pete Fallow. These are Carrierving numbers.

52% from midrange. I don't know Kevin Rass than that for a lot. whole season. That's exceptional. Yeah, in between scoring, being this bucket getter, he does look like Canadian Kobe. He's exceptional and it's helped the sons be incredible. The sons have been one of the best well-coached teams in the league. Jordan Ott looks like to be the next elite coach. That much is very apparent to me. Yeah. So I think, yeah, I think having the sons at 12, I don't, I don't hate that at all. Oh, you put the heart. I just realized you put the calves at 15. Fuck them guys. Yeah. Dude, they're, they piss me out. You have no idea. You have no

how disappointing the Lonzo Ball experiment has been. He should be the 16th man off the bench. 16 roster process don't exist. He should not be on this roster. My question, what did you expect? Were you high on the Lonzo Ball thing or something? Yeah, we were. We talked about how the Alonzo Ball thing.

I didn't give a fuck with the Lonsol thing. I was like, I hope it can give them a new look. But like, I didn't expect much in 2025. Yeah. That's the thing. You hope it can give them a new look? It's not. It was just like a, yeah, salute.

Hopefully the Tid Drum thing works. But, like, I mean, hopefully losing Tad Jerome works. But I didn't really expect much. Things are so bad to the point to where, like, I didn't expect him from at least like a health standpoint. But if he was going to be there, I expected at least playmaking to be decent. Of course, he knew it was going to be a little bit different from the nature of his playmaking abilities and skills or whatever. But we're at the point now to where I'm calling for Tyrese Proctor minutes over him. I'm calling for Craig Porter Jr. minutes right now over him.

He does not need to see on the court because he's actively writing his team. Yeah. Okay. I have the Hawks at 15. You have the Hawks of 14. Yeah. They're hard to rank right now because they have so much good going for them. this new look post-Trey young when jalen johnson is looking like one of the best playmaking

wings in the NBA maybe the best playmaking wing outside of lebron in the NBA right now and obviously the scoring has been ludicrous with him shooting over 40% from three as long as that's the case he's going to be averaging 27 points per game while averaging a cool synaptivist like he's a stat stuffing monster and obviously we have other swing factors going for them you kill Alexander walker he's looking like he's playing like an all-star if if he keeps us up he might be an all-star they're putting on the record oh yeah he's shooting threes now yeah i can reshaping he's exist. I just don't know how to rank them until they get Tray Young back. That's the nice thing you put to say about

Zachary to say right now. He's there. Notice he didn't mention Dyson Daniels too. He's just there. I wouldn't even say he exists. That's kind. He's playing defense. Sure. I don't know what to do with them until we see them with Tray Young in terms of actually like thinking about them versus these teams but slot them right in the middle as a nice average team that's going through a lot of turbulence.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I'm not going to boost them up high. There's so much going on. Prince Osselingis has been like damn near a non-factor for the entire of the year. But there's a lot of way more positives than negative I feel like he hasn't played in a single game I've caught

of them. He's played but also he's just like he hasn't I can count on one hand how many good games he's had for us. Yeah but I think like most of the Hawks games

I've watched this year have been the games he doesn't play so like I feel like I've seen very little Chrisops in his jersey you would actually be correct where he barely played

yeah like I just haven't caught them on good Chrisop's nights yeah so far he's only played 12 games so far in like the 20 games sample size you have so and yeah I probably watch about the hockey games

this year so that makes so I'm saying. Yeah, but they're also on, they're on their trespass something cool. If the Trey Young comes back and they keep all this good stuff and then add the Trey on good stuff without the Trey and bad stuff

and they get this magical combination, they're on the press viz of being who we thought they could be as a four seed. I doubt. I doubt it. I doubt it. We thought it would before the season. So it wouldn't even be confident.

It would just be back to what we expected. I don't know if it's going to happen. Yeah, but you did before the season. Then you saw like five bad games. We'll see. No, I had them at the five seat. So whatever. I had it with the four seats.

You know, like, in terms of reaching a, like, actual upside of them being this, like, conference title, this conference final team that is legitimate that we genuinely think it's one of, like, the top two teams or anything or, like, reaching a ceiling. I don't know if that's necessarily there. That's fair. Top two team, yeah. I agree with that. My bar is a little bit lower. Yeah. I have the Celtics at 13.

Actually, that's, Donovan. Who do you got here? At 15, I have the Hawks. 14. I have the Warriors. 13. I have the Celtics. 12.

I have the Celtics. Like 11, I have the heat. Okay, so Southlix at 13. We both agree on this. Mo, you have in the tier below? Yep. They're just, they're crazy. They are crazy.

They are insane. And Jalen Brown, like, the level at which Jalen Brown is playing right now is insane. And he is going insanely stupid. He's the highest usage of any wing in the NBA right now. 36% usage. Those are lucidontic numbers. Jeez. He's being the end-all be-all, and he's having a very thing.

mission season for an on-ball score with that most usage. 72% at the rim, 54% on long mid-range shots, and that's the story to me. Joe Mazzula is obviously incredibly smart coach, incredibly insane. We knew that if they're healthy and not doing a stealth tank, they're going to be respectable at the very least. We doubt to where that respectableness can get them

because the big man group is terrible, the playmaking group is mid. The roster just had so many holes now with all the bigs leaving, right? They aren't trying to make Jalen Brown be Jason Tatum. When I say that is, Jason Tatum is one of the best driving kick playmaking wings Modern NBA has to offer

He's become exceptional as a playmaker Did I say Jalen Brown? I'm going to say Jason Tatum Jalen Brown will never be that But he's another one option So instead of saying go do that and go be a playmaker They are now saying go be a mid-range master They are gone from 30th in the NBA last year

In mid-range volume to upper half Because they're just saying Jeline go be a bucket And his mid-range volume has been outlandish He is playing like to Martin Rosen right now And it's working They are finding ways to maximize their new number one option by changing up their style around him. And it's just great coaching.

I think with it also, like you look at at this team, Derek White has been awful this year. Yeah. As a number two option, they have no bigs. And this team really shouldn't work. Well, shout out to me as Kada. They have one big. In the grand scheme of things, at this point right now.

No bigs. No bigs. so he is decent so it just shouldn't it shouldn't work like that and they shouldn't be at the spot that they are but whenever you do have jalen brown playing at this level making up for the lack of offensive creation that you are getting from from everybody else that is what you get also shout out payton percher dropping 40 on people that's that's also ridiculous but it really does start and stop with jalen brown and we wanted to to see, hey, there's

been all these rumblings for years. You've wanted your own team. You think that you could be the one option. Let's see it. And he is showing us that I can do it. And it's working out. Yeah. Payton Pritchard and Derek White started off incredibly cold from three for the season. And they've stood that and still been a good offense.

So at some point, those guys will normalize. We'll get the same efficiency you always do because they're not young players in their circumstance. Hasn't changed that much. When that happens, they're going to continue to rattle off these wins. The question is, what are they going to do in February? If they're still in this range where they're like a cool nine seed, Jason Tatum wants to come back. God, no.

Are they going to let them because they're in the playoffs? I'm like, why, why not? Are they going to do a stealth tank if they get one injury and Jalen Brown missed some time? Time will tell, but they clearly are not going to be a dysfunctional team as long as they are moderately healthy and Joe Mazzula as a coach. Yes, and that's one thing I did say in my preseason predictions. I feel like they were going to be a little bit higher. Go ahead.

I'm going to check it. Diamond exists me right now. I dare you. I thought, yo, this guy is actually a coach of the year, which he won a couple of years ago. If he's actually like one of the, I don't know, seven, eight best coaches or whatever. He got us. What were they? Tell me, say it loud to.

He had the Celtics at six. And what are they right now? I don't know. They are six. I would check right now. They are six. Yeah. Well, they're six.

They're tied with the cabs. Will they sit there? I don't know. Could I envision the world in where they like completely fall off a fucking clip if Jalen Brown just twist his ankle and he's out for. 10 games or so. Absolutely. They're also tied with the Hawks. But I do want to give the most fucking kudos to Joe Muzua because the system is in place. All these random role players like Josh Minot and Jordan Walsh are just showing up playing

really fucking hard defense, grabbing rebounds like they can. Defense still has fallen off a bit compared to where they're usually at. I think they're probably middling cellular below that over the last 10 games. They're like, I think they're 22 or so. So they've been winning with their offense, but Joe Muzula doing Joe Muzula thing. man they're 18th in defensive rating on the season Jordan walsh is an amazing defender yeah

so as long as you can hit an adequate amount of corner threes he is a very good on ball defender and this is like the if you're going to have this type of year in terms of like you're not going to get a lottery pick and you're not also going to stink but you're not going to be like at the same level as what you were last year finding new role players who can like

solidify a spot in this team and you can identify as like yeah like you're up you can be a solid bench piece for this team and provide valuable things that a lot of teams want to look for actively successful year. Josh McNaught is one of those players that I've seen play many times over the years. Well, he hasn't played big minutes. Like, I've seen him on the court.

Yeah. I can't tell you anything about his game. I have no idea what he's good at or what he's bad at. Like, I generally feel like he's one. There's a certain role players of that around the league that are high usage, aren't super active defenders in a good or bad way where I'm like, you're just an NPC in my brain. I have no idea what you do good or bad.

MPC. Keep a job. Yeah. Which isn't even, this is about me and I. him just me never perceiving him and me looking at everybody else but him i can't tell you a single defying trade about his game dude i didn't even know he was on the celtics until like week two of the i was like oh shit that's a dude from the timble wolves yeah crazy stuff i just didn't play this year for this is the first time he's played big minutes this year obviously he didn't get a role

it's why he left timble wolves yeah i don't know anything about him just know the name just know he's productive he are at 11 for donovan and mo i have them one spot higher yeah so that's I put them a little bit higher than, like, the magic calves and heat were the tier for me from 10 through 12. I think the magic I put lowest just because they're going to add Palo back and we see them, we just haven't seen them hole and mesh well. You know, they did start winning games before Palo got hurt, so I'm not doing the hole. They're better without Palo, but it is a big thing to change. They do need him to make some adjustments and be less of a volume on ball score, hopefully be a spacer to some degree. So TBD, I want to look like when they're hole.

I don't know. But as of now, dude, they've been really damn good. They have a top 10 offense and top 10 defense over the last 10 games. Both fucking ends. Desmond Bain over the last 10 games, I think he's averaging like 23, 5 and 5. Great shooting splits. I still don't think he's shooting enough threes, but things have been better than the driver before. But as a driver, as a playmaker, same thing can be said about Jalen Suggs.

Again, with him, he's not shooting the best from three, but he's still producing at a high level. It feels like he's hitting every single floater and finishing really well in the paint this year. They've been, they've, we've, I talked about calling for Jamal Mouldsey's job, the loudest ever since this trade happened. And it's looking like that's, that narrative is like dying right in front of my face, at least as of now, which is like so encouraging. Yeah. Excited to see what it looks like when everybody's whole.

They get back to being who we thought they'd be as a solid three seat or whatever. I put them low just because I had TBD. I put the calves in the middle just because of health and like, I'm going to hold, give them some ability to get back to what they were. I put the heat highest in that tier just because they are who they are. They're whole, and I believe it. This is the new them, this new fast-based offense. They're still a very good defense around Batman Obayo.

We're in double big, single big. They have lots of wings that fit in between. There are dynamic guards in this new system that all of them are good at this shoot, attack, closeouts, make quick decisions game. Like, Pell Larson is awesome. And he's like their fourth wing there. I like watching Pellerson a lot. Yeah, that's so crazy. I love Fontechio.

I've lived them for years. I'm like, why isn't he a starter yet? He's like their fourth wing. Like, it's just a very good, well-balanced group that's being coached extremely well. They made my top ten. Yeah, you said Kelle Ware just doing random like, oh shit, like, can this drumming a star one day? But then all the time, it's like, oh, shit, can this guy be drumming too? It's crazy.

Yeah. Okay, let's move on in the top 10. Donovan, who you got? At 10, I have the Cavs, 9, I have the Raptors. Eight, I have the Spurs. Seven, I have the two wolves. And at six, I have the Detroit Pistons. Dude, Raptors fans were so mad at us because we forgot to talk about them in the biggest surprises of the year.

Like, that means we're low on them. Like, dude, Raptors' fans are so defensive of their team. And I get it this year. You are the two-seat right now. You're very good. Everybody thought you'd be like a seven-seat or something. They're incredible. They're also in my top 10.

Scotty Barnes is back. Scottie Barnes is back as fuck. This is maybe the best I've ever seen him play. Yeah. Amazing defender. Again, solid passing. Those shots didn't go away at all. His life is great right now.

Yeah. Like Brandon Ingram isn't even having the most consistent scoring season. But everything that I hoped for when that trade happened and I was not high on it because I didn't think it was going to make them like win a ton of games, but I was high on it as it pertains to Scotty Barnes. finally making sense as an NBA player again. Now that we're seeing Scotty Barnes have a score whose responsibilities be the primary on-ball creator

and Scottie Barnes can fit in beautifully as a playmaker, defender, secondary score that doesn't have to take a much of high post jump shots all the time because nobody else is there to take shots. Everything fits together so smoothly. In these games where RJ Barrett's out, that depends on him. But since he's gone out, shit looks smooth.

Scotty Barnes looks really good with that better space in there. Jacoby Walter, you deserve that starting two spot for a long time. Yeah, everything looks a lot better And again, RJ Barrett's have some good moments this season But obviously, I think that starting lineup would fit a lot better if either Jacoby Walter or Brady Dick

was ready to play like a man and be the main time starter But he doesn't want it, he doesn't want it bad enough at all Jacoby Walter apparently does want it So they kind of have to start R.J. Barrett, he has Maple Mamboy, he's a Toronto guy Like, he's gonna start. They have to start him. I'm excited to see

what it looks like when they trade him. Yeah, man, it really does suck for RJ because every time every time we have talked about him basically for the last like six years it's been in the context of like yeah when this team trades them like they'll be right you know like

there was like a 20 game shirt when he first got to the Raptors it was like wow he's putting it all together and then immediately in the off season it's like we can sell high on RJ Barrett like nobody has ever wanted to keep RJ Barrett yeah that's a great sign of your team and you want to make a leap get RJ Barrett

and then move off and you're going to be better It happens time and time again. No what that is. No, that's like training with a weighted vest on. Exactly. If you can get solid with RJ, you lose them. It's like Rock Lee taking off the weights off his ankles dropping him and suddenly you're the one seat.

Fucking yelked, man. And listen, five games without RJ Barrett, the last five games, Scottie Barnes, 23 and a half points, 65% true shooting all year. He's shooting 40% from three again. He looks like an all defensive header to me. He's incredible. This offense, everything we saw them kind of installed last year with Darko playing this very, everybody eats offensive system.

moving the ball around a lot, doing some of the similar things to the Grizzlies in Miami Heat in terms of keeping the ball in rotation, not running heavy ball screens, everybody attacks off the dribble. There's no incredibly high usage player. It's working very well. They've been cooking, man. Two seed is ridiculous.

They are strength to schedule merchants a little bit as far as the two seed goes. Like they had a pretty goddamn easy stretch and they went eight and no. So that's why they're not the second highest team in the conference to me. I also put them around here. But they firmly deserve to be top ten. Yes. Yes. They can have it. I agree.

I have the heat at 10, Raptors at 9, Knicks at 8, T. Wolves at 7, spurs at 6, and the Knicks are what a reference. That's why I still put the Knicks above the Raptors, just because the Raptors thing is mostly shrink the schedule as far as seating goes, but they're right next to one for reason. They're both very almost equal caliber teams as of today. Okay. Interesting.

Interesting stuff. What's most surprising to me is seeing how high the spurs are, you're not wrong, but it's just surprising to see how they're good without Wimby, bro. It's incredibly surprising. What do you mean? And you know why? Because Darren Fox has been a goddamn bucket. Deerrin Fox.

is the most underrated star in the fucking Lee. When they gave him that contract extension over the summer, everyone was like, oh, why would you do that? When Dylan Harper started out the year super strong and right before he got hurt, everyone was like, oh, man, you really don't need Deer & Fawks. Go ahead and trade him, yada, yada, yada, yada. They keep pulling up that legend of winning team.

That reactionary ass tweet when Dylan Harper had exactly one great game. Yeah, he just bade. You know, Deeran Fox is genuinely not needed it. Yeah, we talked about a lot. That was obviously a very common take that they don't need Deer and Fox because Dylan Harper's here. We're good, Deeran. So reactionary, so dramatic.

It's actually good to have two-point guards, especially when you can afford it because one is on a rookie contract. He's been exceptional. I can't wait to see what it looks like when he has this level of scoring next to the league's best five-out spacer. Yeah, yeah.

And what's so scary is like, damn, the spurs are this good. They've won like 14 games already. And the roster hasn't been whole yet at all. They haven't been healthy for not even one second yet this year at all, whether it be, Darren Fox being out because of the Was the ankle or was the handstill?

It was the hand still. Yeah, because of his hand And then Dylan Harpigan being out And Darren Fox coming right back in and the Wembe's out too. There's so many like shifting or moving parts. Stefan Castle's not even here right now either. But they're just like all these role players are starting to make sense. Devin Vassell has like made he has solidified his spot on this team as the standalone sharp shooter that he's been.

Jeremy Sohan looks better. Keldon Johnson looks better one day are asked to do a little bit less. Everything's like working out beautifully for this team and it's right behind the back of Darren Fox. Yeah.

Dearon Fox is still, you know, we talked to length over the years about how back when he was at his best and most efficient in 2023 with a 55% effective focal percentage,

he shot 77% at the rim. It was a ludicrously high rim volume scoring season that was when you look about 33% of his shots came at the rim and he was the most efficient rim score in the NBA by far

from the point guard position. 77% for a whole year. It's crazy. Insane. And in the year since, he's really dwindled his rim volume, became more of a jump shooter, as you kind of have to do as an athletic scoring guard that one day won't be as quite as athletic. You have to naturally develop your game. There has been a point now, though, that people are like, okay, well, that's a tradeoff.

That's not just additive. If you're getting less of a dynamic rim score, you better be one damn good jump shooter. Otherwise, you're losing your superpower. You're not quite as impactful. He's having his most efficient scoring season of the year of his career, even more than that season. 56% effective football percentage. And that's because he's currently shooting. 39% from three career high.

Need that. Off the dribble has been amazing as a three-point shooter. And it makes sense. I mean, we saw the pinky. Like, we saw what would it looks like? I forgot he showed us that.

Yeah. Did we tell them? We told him that matter. Yeah, I think he referenced in the episode. Yeah, we interviewed Darren Fox this summer and he showed us a picture

right before we started. He said, he had a cast on his pinky. I said, you just got surgery? He said, yep, you want to see a picture? I said, of course.

Showed us his phone. She was gruesome as hell. I mean, his pinky was in two different drugs. It was gross. I'm not baffled. It's the first time I met him. We were talking for 30 seconds. You want to see my pinky?

Dudes, bro. I love dudes. Yeah, it just got me, dudes. Yeah. It was like, hell yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. So he's healthy now.

It looks to be a three level score. Yeah. And even last year, like, they, they got him and then boom immediately. Like, things got bad. You know, people got injured and stuff like that. So we have, we have a whole year. Now we're finally getting to a spot where he can, he can be himself. And for this early part of the season for the Spurs,

I do like it for them because they're obviously going to have to get to a point where everybody has to play off of each other. And there were times where, like, Deerrin wasn't there. And so it's like, cool. You get to give a little bit more leeway to Dillon Harper and he gets to work. You get to give Stefan Castle a little bit more time he can work. And now that Wembe's out, it's like, cool, Deeran, you get back. You like re-engratiate yourself.

And we can still just rack up D. wins and now everybody's going to be in a rhythm everybody's going to have some confidence when we have to start putting all the things together and you feel like it is like you you feel like everybody is at 10 right like every like you actually have a good sense of what your team looks like and you have so many different looks that you can go to because you've already played this style of basketball before so i have i have them at eight just because they were like with with wemby and And with all of this stuff, I would have instantly had them at top five. And I could probably put them there right now still.

But I just, I'm waiting for, for Wembe to come back to fully launch them back into the top five. Mo, who's your top of ten? Ignore the Warriors. That was a mistake. But at 10, according to no, it wasn't, it wasn't even on my list originally. It just like, but anyways, warriors were 10, nullified, nine raptors, eight, T-wolves, seven spurs, and the six of the Knicks. Okay. So spurs, you know, all the same general range. I'm sure we all have the same opinion of them.

T-wolves, you have one spot behind us, but again, same general range. They're so interesting. Yeah. Because they're so goddamn good. Top-tenant offense, top-tenant defense. Anthony Edwards, start off slow. Past seven games, he's been a fucking monster. He was been a deep.

One of the best stretches of his career. He's been insane. Just had 44 points. Is everything we wanted to be as a top six player in the world, wherever we rank him we'll see in two weeks when we do our Christmas episode. But they're still so far. flawed. He still needs a point guard so badly. Dude. They're so good, but like

I'm not holding it against them, obviously put them at seven. We just know that could be so much more. Exactly. I wanted it's so hard to put them at six, but I look at these top two teams and I'm just like, you're just not playing as well of these two guys just yet. It's so weird for Anthony Edwards and also like Jaden Daniels too because Jana McDaniels because they are shooting. They are having the best catch and shoot years of their fucking career, but if they were shooting like 50% for the three point line.

or some like that. And then Jan McDaniels, too, with shooting something crazy as well. They're so destined and primed and ready to move on and pull, like, the last lever of this Anthony Edwards era and find someone who can at least do normal table setting. You're not asking for a star. You're not asking for, you know, like someone like the mellow bar

or something like that. But you just need some competency of that end. Yeah. They let Nikiel Alexander walk or walk. Whoa. Nikil Alexander walk because they believed in Terrant Shannon, Jr. I'm generally unmoved by Terrence Shannon Jr., but I obviously understand why they had to make that decision. That's the type of decision you have to make in the second April era.

I do still feel that absence of that guard who can be that secondary playmaker and shooter, very much hope they trade for another guard at the deadline at some point, whether it's a big swing like a James Hardin or a smaller swing for a guy that can be a six-man for you, even if he's not starting over Dante. I don't love the fact that Anthony Edwards is the point guard now, that they're leaning fully on him to be the only advantage creator. but that's the only lever they have that's really all they can do and he's doing as good as you could hope for

in that role so that's their second tier team that obviously has a ceiling of a first year team if they can address this big glaring flaw but if not this is a perfectly respectful place

for them to be yeah I I for for a long time I've had kind of just this idea of like you know let's not force these guys to be these like you know

all encompassing offensive engines and stuff like that Hey, man, let's do it. If he's going to play like this, like, obviously he's not going to average 38. I mean, listen, who knows? But if he's, if he's going to play like this, then I do think it's okay. Yeah. And it is fine because the things that we have been asking of Anthony Edwards year in and year out to make improvements about to really get to the next level,

the number one thing on that list has always been playmaking and has always been just adding stuff to his game. It was a three-point shot last year, stuff like that. So making his offensive game so well-rounded, and then when he's already at a tense, like, dude, I'm fine. It genuinely looks like Ant took another level. He's been, of course, the shooting is still ridiculous. I think he's taking like eight-three's game, smacking in, I think he's a thing, like, yeah, eight-threes game, smacking him 40-1% of the time, too, which is insane.

Also, one of the best drivers. Also, that came up in this past week. He was at, like, 37% a week ago. Yeah, exactly. So still, like, the three-point shooting has basically. on fucking nowhere at all. For me, I think he looks like he's got so much better

when it comes to his stop and start game and his ability to play within levels and like B literally look like he's lagging in real life and get you off guard. And then also when it comes to his finishing too, I think something that's like minute but it's monumental when it comes to thinking

about the best finishes of the league this finishes with two feet now, right? He goes up with two feet most of the fucking time. You're talking about the pace now also the two feet Last year, Wool's fans will tell you everybody's opinion on Anthony Edwards if you ask the average NBA fan I'm sure we've said this too

just glossing over it and treating this as fact will say oh he added this two point shot that's incredible while also being one of the best downhole finishes we've seen the league he was not that last year at all he couldn't make a layup to save his goddamn life last year we all just overlooked it because for the first half of the season it was all that'll be fine he'll get back

two years ago he shot 69% at the rim he'll get back to that he never did he shot 64% at the rim for the whole season last year was down because he just could not make a layup Wolf's fans also tell you that he gets fouled a lot doesn't get the credit for it because he doesn't sell it like that's everybody with their starts Yeah, I do think it's true a little bit for him

Because he like refuses to like sell it for some reason But nevertheless he had a poor finishing season last year Specifically as a layup shooter This year he's shooting 73% at the rim We're finally seeing it He's never been as efficient as an interior score This is finally the manifestation of that athleticism If you're getting both

Hey man do whatever you are pull up from 45 I don't care. If he's going to shoot 42% from 3 and 73% from the rim, he is an MVP level player now. Yeah, he's unguardable. I wish, again, something, I am loud a lot of the time on this show, but something I was loudly wrong about, at least so far, probably it will be like this towards the end of the season.

Taryn Chan Jr. mentioned him earlier. Has not popped at all. He's had like, he had one random game where he shot, let me see, 100% from the field on seven shots. And that was against OKC, surprisingly enough. He just has static for O KC for whatever reason. But I was done of that. He just hasn't earned enough burn.

Yeah. Coach doesn't trust him, hasn't popped. And I thought he was going to pop because he's a second year, 25-year-old. You should be good immediately, bro. Scream this shut up. Where's the development at? Your prime is in 13 months. Yeah, he's not like bad or anything, but he's just a guy.

Yeah. Just sad, man. They have, that is the, that's also like what you said, where, like, they just have to do it. because the two levers that they thought that they were going to push of we're going to get Robin here, we're going to get Terran Shane Jr. These guys are ready for leaps.

They are not ready for leaps. They are not ready to contribute at all. That's another thing. It's so weird, right? That's two big losses while losing and Killow's Under Walker. There's three losses. They have every reason to be kind of mid.

They have every reason to be one of these teams that's wildly disappointing. But here we are. You have ready to go bear. You always have been a top-in defense. You have one of the best players in the world in Anthony Edwards. And Julius Randall having a great season.

J.D. McDaniels, like you said, having one of his better catch and shoot three seasons they're still really good despite having flaws instantly become one of and it's funny because it's like four but like one of the more top heavy teams where i feel like in years in years past they felt like and obviously like you've had a little bit more depth you already know like my colleagues old as hell too like they have they have so little to to work with right now and chris finch doesn't do shit to help either as an offensive mind he's just a guy goddamn ball you just be standing around going on podcast lander

people like he's not a great coach at all like ants who means like damn he's tough and has a very subtle MVP case right now yeah he's not going to get it because we have gods in the league above him we have Titans above him I mean but if you're playing like this first team L NBA on the way you can you can easily yeah especially look at my

not his 65 games you know he's missing three games with his kid being birth he's better say fully healthy yeah I hate scottam rule all the way so stupid they're gonna get rid of man ants on the way to first team all NBA Knicks they're just the Knicks we've talked about them at length deserve to be in this down him doesn't hire naturally as a Knicks fan

They're turning it around guys They're playing very well right now I got no slander for him Again I want to see 20 games of efficient carlety talent scoring like we talked about But even without that Even without that The Knicks are one of the two best offenses in the league Their offense is awesome

And I do think that defensively They're fine It's just it's there I have no thoughts about them Like yeah they're just there I will say they let OG come back right let oh let OG come back the offense is getting started this team is probably going to be closer to where I have them than closer to where you guys have I agree this is a pie ranking so right now some of these teams are just coming off the hot starts

but I don't have anything bad to say about the next really donovan yeah real quick can you tell me tell everyone what you told me in the car I believe it was yesterday or two days or something like that? What I said? About Gersona Yavu Seli. What you said? What did you say? Tell everyone what you said. I told more.

I looked at him and I said, listen. It was random, too. I didn't say shit about the next. It was just on his mind. It was my random. I said, biggest pause of all time, biggest preemptive pause of all time.

Yaboo. completely destroys Kyle Lowry's legacy. He said, listen, we're going to start dialogue. Yaboo or Chloe Bailey. We're going to have a discussion. It was so unprompted. I'm just trying to lock in and driving in the snow. He's like, making spasible all time.

He's speaking bullshit. Oh, my God. That was crazy, man. You watch him play? You feel like you're watching the end-economy video? It's crazy. Oh, my God. I got Amazon Prime now.

There's multiple streams. I'm like, what's going on? It's a lot. But okay, it is time to move on to our top five. We're going to reveal all of our top fives at once, like we usually do. I have the Pistons at five, the Lakers at four, the Rockets at three, the Denver Nuggets at two, and the Thunder at one. It's right off my list. You stole my list.

Most got the same thing. Donovan has the same thing, except he put the Knicks at five, and I think you put the Pistons at six in two. Timing. It's okay. Okay, so that's only getting to that first. Why do you still view the Knicks over the Pissons with keeping in mind the Pistons have had an amazing start and are a lot ahead in the wind column? Yes. I think that because I do think that especially as of recently, the Knicks offense is starting to, starting to click.

And I think that even without Kat being Kat, and he's had, he's had moments over the last couple of games that he's played much better. even in the in the boston game when they lost you saw a very aggressive car yeah you saw a very aggressive cat uh he was getting mad at and once he was scoring he was very very very um very efficient very aggressive and i i did like that josh hart he's had moments where his shot has been fought duke mcbride has been knocking down threes like like crazy i just think that that level of offensive superpower to where you are you are at the top of the league with a denver with all these other teams. I really like that.

And the fact that you are still just fine defensively and you can hang your hat, that's cool. You look at net ratings, the Knicks are above the, above the business. Even as great as Detroit's defense is and it is very, very lockdown, their offense still has a lot to be desired. So I do think that the Knicks are just slightly better than them

in that sense. Home court advantage this year feels actually kind of different. Like they've lost one game so far at home. they they are really really locking in um i i just like that they are again it's it's this close and i just think that they are right now starting to peak a little bit more peak that they're trending higher than the pissens right now i respect it yeah past week they've been better to you that's totally reasonable so it's a very close race obviously yeah obviously the wind column isn't everything but at this point in the season the pissons have such a high advantage and i'm like i got

to reward them the restart has been crazy and that's fair but it's totally reasonable for you know to not do us ranking the standings. It's totally reasonable with the Knicks above me. Yeah. All right, man. Lakers are four, Rockets a three,

Nuggets at two, Thunder at 1. Complete agreement here. Is there any part of this as debatable? No, and it's a very clear Thunder tier of their own. Nuggets, Rockets, Lakers,

tier. And actually, you can even say Nuggets Rockets tier and then Lakers tier, depending on how you see it. But like, overall, Thunder,

by yourself. Everybody else, you're fighting for a second in the West. Man, the thunder on, we talked about before the season in many occasions about what we expect from them this season. Obviously, actually, I shouldn't say that because

did you pick them your championship pick? No. No. He picked the Nuggets. We both had Denver. We both had Dumber. But we all clearly thought they'd be the one seed would be back to being one the best teams in the league.

I thought they'd go back to back. You guys thought the Nuggets would beat them because you guys love Cameron Johnson. And the Thunder are even better than we could have expected. We did an exercise in a TikTok time where we said, will this team win more or less games than last year? And I wasn't like super confident about it when we got to. to the thunder, but I was the only one that was like, I don't know, I mean, it kind of feels like they're better now.

Like, why won't they win more games, right? It's hard to imagine somebody winning 70 games in any circumstance. It's only happened a handful of times. But I didn't have a good reason why they'd win less other than like, I don't know, probably. J-dub's injury, that's the only thing that I'm like, maybe you're going to fall in a little bit. At that point, we didn't even know he'd be out for that long.

We thought he missed at the first week. He missed like, 15 games. He's back now. They have one loss. And that loss, like, that wasn't, they shouldn't have lost that game. Like, they should be undefeated still. I don't know at what point in the season we need to hit before we start really having 73 win conversations.

Maybe they need to get to like 40 wins and two losses before we really start thinking it's going to happen. No, I don't think so. I think they have. So, and I'm just going based off of the things that I have seen in my life time. Okay. We have a week until we legitimately have record conversations.

The Warriors were 24 and O. And then they lost in a double overtime game to Milwaukee on the second night of a back-to-back in like six games and seven nights. It was the most, like, scheduled loss that you can have for one of the greatest teams of all time. Even then, they were 24 and 1. They win a couple more games. They go to 29 and 2. We are, they are on pace.

If they can get to 24 and 1, because that was, like, one of the biggest, you know, lines of where we are tracking for Golden State. If they can get there, I was, and I'm obviously, we're on watch right now. But I'm looking at them and I'm saying, okay, they are probably going, going to do it. So last year we'd agree that Shea had one of the greatest guard seasons of all time, right? Whatever that number means to you, top 20 guard season, whatever. Like, he put himself into the pantheon of legends, right? Mm-hmm. He's currently shooting 4% better from mid-range, 6% better from 3 point line.

Brother, his pull-up game just continuously gets even better. I checked on NBA.com and he's shooting like 52% in the field on pull-ups, right? 44% from 3. Yeah. Dude. I've said this in so many ways over the past season about Shea. and how this is one of the greatest players of all time now. Obviously, only through 22 games that efficiency might not hold, right?

He's having a prime, Steph Curry, caliber of season. This is one of the greatest peaks of all time. This is, it's so funny because all of last year and even going into last year, as soon as they got Cruz, as soon as they got Hartnstein, what were you saying? This is the 2015 Warriors, right? They are this team that's going to come out of nowhere, but they're going to be super dominant defensively. They're led by this one guy.

They're going to win the championship. and kind of set this new standard of how to play basketball. And how do those warriors respond? We break the single season record. Our guy levels up to a level that we didn't even think was possible, and we're going to win 73 games and be in game seven of the finals. It's crazy. And now we're here doing the same thing again.

It's insane. They go for over 70 wins after winning high 60s, and the MVP takes a leap that people were saying, Steph should be most improved player back then. They're not going to have that conversation again about Shea. but he's going from MVP to one of the best MVP you've ever seen right now. It's the season end today.

He should damn near be unanimous MVP as of today. I don't know if he'll get that because Yokic is still one of the best players of all time as well. But he is substantively better than he was last season. This is one of the best players of all time. We can't stop reiterating it.

Yeah. And I'm going through the warrior's schedule and looking like, okay, where were their low point? So they had twice in that season where they lost two games, where they lost two out of three games, right? They never lost anything back to back. but you had you had four of their losses come in a six-game stretch if they don't if they

can avoid that if they aren't because i doubt that they're losing back-to-back games yeah if they can avoid that twice we're we're not only talking about 74 and eight we're talking about 75 yeah well it's always hard because a one one yeah obviously right but even if you even if you look at them you can't even use depth they were without an all-n-in-a player for the first of this year and we've been talking about oh yeah they need some more ball handling okay we'll just get a j mitchell to come in here and start hooping on on everybody they have all of all of the pieces and for them to to be doing this without without topej who we thought was going to you know take last year and then and then use this year for obvious reasons for them

to draft somebody like so bear who is also out this year like they have so many pieces in the in the waiting to join this team next year it's it's ridiculous and then they potentially have a top three four pick with the clippers thing which everyone has been just waiting to fall into their shoulders add a j to this team ah man this is like i know everybody hates them and i'm not gonna i'm not past the point of trying to convince people they should like the thunder like shay or whatever it is what it is this is one of the best sports stories i've seen in my lifetime as a fan of enjoying watching a team rise watching a player rise we said a couple weeks ago uh the only on our hot takes episode,

somebody gave us a hot take that said, when will people realize they're watching the 1990s bulls all over again? I've already realized it. That's how I feel. I saw a tweet where someone said, The Thunder are the 04 Pistons defense

with Kobe Light. And somebody quoted it and said, you can't call Shay Light anything. And that's precisely how I feel. He is not Kobe Light. His peak right now was comparable. Like he is playing at that level of the greatest guards we've ever seen.

No, obviously Kobe has a legacy five straight, like the longevity is its own thing. But like single season peak, he is playing as good is all the legends you want to compare him to. I agree. He's no longer baby anything. He is one of those guys.

Yeah. Yeah, man. It's that scary over there. And that's also, to me, one of the most brilliant game plans out there just telling everyone to play 110% every single night, every single night, like you haven't won anything in your entire life coming off a championship four or five months ago, whatever it is, while also just like, it feels like they have eight defenders on the court in a game where you're only allowed to have five.

Turnovers. The youngest, youngest champion we've seen, like, it's so weird. Like, this is what a legendary team. team. And I hope it stays together for years and I hope they get good injury luck so we can see another dynasty actually come together. It's always easy to say dynasty is on the way. Then one ankle tweak, one misfortune could happen and things change. One unhappy star wants a new thing. You never know how things go. But we keep saying this. If it's ever felt like there was a team set up to actually be that modern dynasty, it's this. And we said that before

this season and they're even better we could have hoped for. All those feelings just keep getting magnified. Yeah. Awesome. So I have the Rockets at three. I'm putting them at three. because the Nuggets have Yokic and he's the best playing in the world. Man, I really want to put the the Rockets at 2. That's not ridiculous. Like they... I don't believe me. Also, they lost the...

I know, like, we're in a crazy 82 game schedule doesn't really matter. They did play that game and Eric Gordon did go out in the matchup that they had and the Nuggets still won that game. So it's like, that did mean something to me in terms of you know, them playing it.

But the Rockets, dude, are so good. And the fact that, like, They can also be at the top of the league in offense. Their defense has not dropped off. They still are one of the best defenses in the league. Yeah, the defense actually picked up over the last seven to ten games. They're ranking number two right behind OkCU, of course. The Denver Nuggets, so I didn't watch this game yesterday.

Tram Murray had 50 points. And Jamal Murray had 50 points in, I forget the exact numbers, but there were certain efficiency lines that he hit in that game. It was probably like 50% from the field, 40% from the three-throw line, whatever other ESPN stats. he's the only one this year in the past five years I've done that except for Aaron Gordon who also did that like they're just having a

crazy ceiling with these three guys and Aaron Gordon's hurt now so I'm like I put them to not hold that against him because he's missing some time just because they've been so good in it when they're whole that at the top I wanted to say who I think the real best teams are and not do any kind of like yeah but for this point in the season

top four I decided to say these are the four best teams but I totally respect especially as of late to go with the Rockets a two yeah yeah I just you look you look at them and the fact that and we've talked we've talked about it before the fact that we're not getting the amend thompson show in the way that we thought it was going to happen and you're seeing reed shepherd show up and take the mantle of and not like take the mantle but showing up and being everything that they needed him to be yeah and be this this good early on it really is it really does feel like okay you guys are trending towards being

more complete and they are because of the way that they play with the double big i also do really like they're just so they're so unique in what they do and it's such a a zag from how everybody else kind of plays but also but also even even we're saying that okay c is so different than how denver operates and then how you know how the rockets do and then even the lakers with luca like i do think that these top five teams and even you can go down to maybe six, seven, or eight, everybody has their own, like, really, really unique style that's super cool. I finished shangoon, the season will be one of most fascinating players just because he takes

the playmaking leap now that Fredman Vleet is gone to playing through him more. The theoretical, like, if you played through him and gave him that type of playmaking usage, he could be Yolkitch and that stuff. It's real now. He's actually being the leap, basically point guard, and that's bearing himself out on the numbers. The three-point shooting leap is finally here, shooting 38% from three. If that holds, that makes him wildly more effective. offensive player being able to space the floor in that double big lineup still a bad or not bad but

still an average relative to stature two point score still very good at creating opportunities his full work is insane attacking like his combination of full work and strength he is a load to deal with in the post looks very to mark his cousins esk but he's not an above average efficiency two point score so just that combination of traits and the defense stuff that he's clearly capable of being a cog in a good system with all these good defenders but to the eye is still like slow and not like vertical bound at the rim but like not a negative defensively like this combination of traits there's no other player like that yeah i don't yeah i don't he's just interesting yeah i don't see i don't i don't see anybody else like that i do think like and it sets off out to like a very

good all-star player like he's i can't wait to see what looks like in the playoffs with this team configuration with kd yeah and i think they did a pretty good a really good amazing job the best jobs you could do building around someone like singoon um we talk about how they've been building up to this point, especially Reed Shepard, and overall how their defense have been catching up. More help is on the way. Dorey Finney Smith Jr. is finally ramping up to get healthy. Tori Easton.

We haven't seen him for a minute, but he's ramping up too, so peak rockets are pretty much on the way. If they played in the seven-game series right now, I really don't know who I would between Houston and Denver. Like my initial thought always goes to Yokic

and he's like ultimately like the best player in the world. I might take Denver, but I think like my, my head would say Denver, my heart would say take Houston. Interesting. My both would say nuggets, but I play it would be at close. Like, I'd pick the nuggets certainly, but I'll be like, it's going to be a six or seven game series, anything can happen.

Yeah. And Lakers are four, yeah, they're clearly the fourth best team. They are so funny just because they don't have defensive personnel to be a consistently good defense. Their net rating is mediocre, but they are the ultimate locking team. Their clutch games right now are outlandish. They have the number one net rating. I mean, number one, defensive rating in the NBA

in Clutch situations, they have an 80 defensive rating in the clutch. They don't play defense hard until they have to. They coast the whole game. Luca does his first quarter scoring barrage, goes pickle mode for quarter second and third while Austin Reeves carry scoring wise. And fourth quarter, they lock in, defend hard.

Lucas scores well again. Like, just such a Luca LeBron team. Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm going through the clutch sash trying to look at stuff. Yeah. Offensive rating. who do you think has the best offensive rating in the Clutch? Lakers.

No. Anthony. Okay, so Lakers, then is it a surprising team? No, it's not. Oh, Nuggets probably their number one. It's the Thunder. Oh, okay. Their offensive rating is 136.7.

Yeah, she also has been locked in Jesus Christ, their defensive rating is under 100, which means that the Thunder's clutch net rating plus 50? Plus 41. Jeez, that means you're getting hammered, bruh the the lakers are seven at plus our second at plus 30 which is outlandish like then you're still

11 points better than plus 30 in the clutch yeah which is ridiculous so like at some point either the lakers net rating will get better or their clutch stats will fall off and they'll either go up and down those stature but they're just a strange team right now there's no roster like the lakers in the NBA with those three stars up top and then the lack of defensive pieces that makes sense i want rui hachi morris said anywhere else in the lakers right now actually no i'm not saying that i want somebody else brought in so Rui can be a bench player. Rui starting or alongside LeBron James and the Andreadden is complete bullshit.

J.J. Redick has chosen to make his line off offensively slanted and say we're just going to be that out-execute you team in the fourth quarter offensively and Rui's a great spacer. Complete not entity defensively. Complete non-entity on the boards. Complete non-entity as a playmaker. Please put him to the bench. Please give me

Herb Jones or Keon Ellis or Andrew Wiggins or anybody with a pulse defensively. Please give me Herb Jones. You're so greedy. Never happening. It never ends. That might happen. he's on there's a lot of talks I mean there's talks now that might happen

I know I know I know I know my opinion but it's greedy I mean not really I mean they think you're mad at quick value Keep in mind I don't know if we want to talk about it The Herb Jones thing hasn't necessarily Been what it was two years ago

For the past year and a half You know exactly what it's gonna happen What is it? He's gonna go out there He's gonna lock back in Yeah I don't know a lot of times Shooters turn to lemons on the Lakers Oh no I don't care about the shooting

Defensively yeah Yeah but give me somebody there The Lakers need that The Lakers seem get in other defensive piece, one of those guys. Let's call it what everybody wants to happen. It's Andrew Wiggins. If that does happen, then they have this starting line that makes sense now

with a 3 and D forward in there, and they get Ruey to the bench, and maybe they get one more piece. They can get into that second and third caliber team. But right now, with the lack of defensive talent, they're pretty, it's a different tier. I agree. And that is our first power rankings of the season.

That is the first top 30 ranking you'll see from us. I think when we do do part two? Is it close to the deadline? I forget. Colteron, like All-Star? Yeah, I think it's right before All-Star. Okay, so in February, we'll update this, and they'll update it one more time before the playoff start. Three power rankings every season.

With that being said, Mo. What time is it? It's TikTok time. We're on my TikTok time merch too, man. We move. Word on the street is they want cream merch. Bottled cream? Nobody said anything about it.

Oh, sorry. I'm thinking too far in advance. My bad, my bad. I ain't mean to go ahead and leak the plans. Sorry, man. Sorry. With that being said, we're on a TikTok time. Let's have some fun.

Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we're going to begin with something fun. Something that I'm shocked we've never done before. We are going to grade the best NBA Twitter slander nicknames that we've ever seen over the years. We're getting disrespectful? We're reacting to disrespect. We didn't make any of these up. We're not co-signing them per se.

We're disrespectful. by proxy. Yeah, okay. We're allowing disrespect to enter our radius, but we didn't make these up. We are simply going to

grade them based on how funny they are, how accurate they are, how iconic they are, whatever it means to us, the best slander nicknames in modern NBA history. Starting off, first up, we got Paul George,

pandemic P, podcast P, and way off P, whichever one you choose. How do you feel about the P nicknames? Which one is the worst here right now?

I think, I think playoff P is the is the worst because that, Because that was his prime. And he said, like he kind of called himself Playoff Pete. Yeah, which is how we got way off Pete. Yeah, so way off P, I remember that happened exactly in the bubble.

There was a moment where he took a side three and hit the top of the fucking backboard. Way off. Oh, man, I hear it right now. Podcast P was ahead of its time. But not everybody with the podcast has made fun for us. That kind of lost this luster. Pandemic P was pretty funny. Nah, that's tough.

In the bubble. This is three great movies right. hit this is like this is like rocky one two and three right these are all hits no misses all hits no misses iconic iconic things that are going to be remembered in culture forever i'm going just in the package right we can debate which one is is one two and three the packaging is 10 out of 10 yeah yeah yeah a plus for paul george yes pa george slander gets an a plus in all regards we got a power rank the best paul george slander nicknames not my goat man that's its own video uh okay Next up, hey now.

We got Julius Randall being dubious handle. It sounds so stupid. This is great. This is amazing. Dubious handle, the guy who over dribbles too much, just spins it to nothing. This is perfect. Yeah, this peaked a couple years ago before he repaired reputation alongside Anthony Edwards. He used to be dubious handle.

He used to, listen, it used to be scary. But I got to give him some, I have to give him some grace. Of course, you're going to be dribbling everywhere. You have Alfred Payton on the wind. And then you got R.J. Barry just screaming, right here, bro. Your handle would be dubious too. Exactly. So, you know what?

He broke through from this. He's no longer a dubious handle for now. So it can't give it an A plus. It's no longer apt. But, man, was it creative in the moment? I'm still giving it to B plus. In the moment, in the moment, it charted. Top 10.

Right. Has it aged as well. But people were still dancing to it in the street. So I'm going B plus. It's a nice moment. Dubious handle. I love this. Next up

18 and 8 for Evan Mowgli Also known as AT&T The newest addition to the slander Lexicon Well put me on an AT&T I'm out the loop It sounds like 18 and 8 Oh

I don't really fuck about that 18 and 8 is a funny year 18 and 8 Oh reliable he will give you Exactly 18 points and 8 rebounds every game No more no less Yeah I think I like this because it serves

Multiple groups of people Right The nerds get the numbers in 18 and 8. If you are just a casual, you can hear AT&T. You know that brand. Now I'm here for you. This is, it very much is for the people, by the people. I like this a lot.

But also 18 and 8 is a very respectable stat lines. That's what I'm saying. We're not mean enough. Is this real slander? Yes, because we think that he's going to be like this generation, one of the best big men of this generation, but also he's just an 188 type guy. So I don't know. Yeah.

I'm going like see. plus it's funny 18 and it is slander this is adjacent to call him Derek Favors this is calling him regular 18 and A is a very okay

starter 18 and A is nice though Derek Favors never sniffed that I got to look at Derek Favors stat inflation is rampant today

Derek Favors cool little 14 and 7 is basically 18 and 8 today 18 and A isn't nothing to write home about in the modern NBA hey should say he might be Derek Papers

no Derek Favors is 16 and 8 oh no they were right oh no okay it's very accurate but I'm with you I think if we're gonna

we're gonna have a slander slander's nickname it does have to be a little bit meaner I'll go C plus here I'm gonna see it's solid I think it's pretty funny the fact that like you are just like good

not great it is like a little better no one's ever been bullied to this degree like for being just decent yeah this is like they're bullying somebody because like

they tie their someone ties their shoes and they're a little too eager to do like this motherfuck's tying his shoes like you're wrong and tie your shoes yeah exactly that's funny

this guy's grabbing rebounds and being a solid third option dork Look this dumb ass studying Right Stop the dough Right Getting bullied for something

that's mad regular It's hilarious And this is the NBA equivalent We're just mean You're just doing your job Fuck up You're clocking in on time Next step west brick

Iconic I'm like obviously It's an A plus He was ready to tear down countries about this Yeah He was He would end of bloodlines

If he had the authority to You have no idea how many fans he walked up and approached you in every city he's touched in the fucking league right that's the best part is he will he is susceptible to be rage baited with his name yes it has the most effectiveness i guarantee you i could pull up a 30 minute compilation of him approaching random fans and i bet at least one of them said westbrook yeah this will get him going this is an a plus yeah this is when it comes to talking about every NBA fans like if we if us as NBA fans had a Spotify rap and saw how often we use nicknames this would be

top 10 for everyone. It has to be. Yeah, yeah. This is one of the four fathers of slander nicknames. It's low-key started it all. So smooth, you don't have to be overly creative.

It just fits right in. It's almost like it's destiny. I know what else makes it great. If you say his name too fast, that sounds like Westbrook. I've been accused the same Westbrook a lot of times. It wasn't on purpose.

That's so good about it. Skip started this, right? Skip Bayless. Probably. I don't know, dude. I don't know. I don't know. I feel like he might have.

Safe assumption. Maybe. But yes, A plus. Either way, A plus. Hall of Fame nickname. Play very badly for Avery Badley. I never heard of this before my life, man. This is a very niche NBA Twitter one.

It's like nerd Twitter. Avery Bradley, more like play very badly. That's the way you're supposed to say. It's like you post this and you have like the scene from the Joker where he's like reading out. Yeah, exactly. It's ironic, but in a funny way. I don't like this. I don't like it.

Yeah, if you say it five times, I'll laugh. But the first time I'm like, come on, we could do that. Exactly. More like play very badly. It's kind of good. I'm going to give this a deed. Am I right? Say it one time.

It's like, ah, you might get me for a second, but it's only a one timer. Can't reuse it. How often do you see a player like Avery Bradley gets slander? That makes it unique. That makes it great. Yeah, what does he have to do to get slandered? I think this happens when he, this happened when he was a grizzly, I think, stinking it up. I think that's what this originated.

This is a very niche NBA Twitter thing. You got to be like a sicko in the nerd NBA Twitter streets to know what this is from. But he played very badly. I'm going D plus on this one. Ah, haters. You guys aren't nerdy enough. Next up, Anthony Day to Day Davis.

Oh, man. This is A plus. It is A plus. I got PTSD right now. This is part of his reputation. Yep. He cannot miss a game for the rest of his career without being called Anthony Day to Day Davis. I saw this and I got to shiver up my goddamn spine.

The man of time I spent. in the discourse streets arguing for Anthony Davis's right to be a superstar as a Lakers fan this nickname haunts me this era haunts me he was the most slandered player in the NBA by far from 2021 through 2023 but that being said it's a plus Hall of Fame yeah and honestly this is not even slander like this is literally the truth this is Bible because if you look at his game locks or the history of his fucking career it's like oh shit three games here two games there missing a couple of observations like oh shit man you right this is and the the crazy part about this is

this is the main album you forgot the deluxe version of street clothes that's because you're impatient next up demard or frozen uh man this is bad man this is OG the old one yeah I don't think anytime anytime there's a nickname where somebody's slandering you because you are not clutch

because you fold under pressure it works it works it's like the lights are too bright for this guy He can't handle anything. Yeah, and it's like every unique name, it rhymes with some shit. It's good. Yeah. And for every player that we've talked about so far, you can see between the lines and be like, yeah, this nickname is a little bit of dragon and slander.

No, this is, this is legitimately true as well, bro. He does not show up. He never did show up at any of the, at any point in time. That's a good point. A lot of these guys kind of like at some point disproved the narrative. Yeah. He never really did. Never got to have a person.

He never had to have an iconic player. I mean, he had the chance. He just never. could do it, though. Yeah, they never came together at the right time and the right team. He was going to do it, and then they should... He was going to buy NBC. At that, being said, if it works, I guess it's got to be an A plus.

Next up. Oh, my God. Three-six Mafia for. LeBron before 2020 when he got his fourth ring. Terrible nickname. It's not even fucking funny. We're joking about the mafia here. I'm not even defended right now. The mafia's no joke.

No, nothing to joke about, bro. Why are we playing this, putting this spin on LeBron? What are we doing right now? This is terrible. Three six mafia? This is a hilarious thing at the moment. I had to fight against it. I had to pretend it wasn't funny. in 2017 when I was defending my king's honor in high school and haters when here skip

Bayless call him this and run with it I had to pretend it wasn't funny at all it's pretty goddamn hilarious is this a playoff of a song or something like that too I'm glad you finally realize it yes three six boffi is a rap group fuck that what are you serious fuck yeah fuck them guys you said yeah this isn't funny at all so fuck juicy jay by proxy this is pretty good This is Skip Bayless's creation, right? I have no idea. Actually, no, this one wasn't him. This was NBA Twitter.

This was a name for especially LeBron fans. I think it's really originated from the Curry fans versus LeBron fans war on Twitter. Yeah, I don't know who started it. I can't give it A plus because at the end of the day, you are saying, you only got three rings? Like, that's crazy. And he got four, so you put it to bed. But it is very funny. I am going to give it in A, though.

My king is so special. He's retiring funny nicknames. You can't even call it. anymore i haven't heard this in five years yeah if you could have like the and that's the one thing that any jordan fan can say it's like oh you have this losing record in the finals if you can make it make it make a make a play on it you did your job when comes to being funny they got it this is a plus i'll give it a solid b just because we we have better lebron names on the horizon next up kevin dirt can't this is tough little knee slapper this is tough this is definitely a joker

yeah yeah this is very true especially before the warriors days i remember people were calling him not kevin der kant necessarily but they were just you know the beat writers over there okayc were giving him fucking hell and then once he choked once again he didn't he blow a three one lead to the warriors of course he did oh man and shot terribly during it oh i can only read this and skip belis his voice him sitting up on table more like kevin durcats and like speaking across i can only imagine him saying it. This is a not a

necessarily because it's kind of it's easy, too easy. Yeah, solid C plus. It's a cool addition. Maybe B minus. It's solid. Yeah, it's like an entry level slander.

Exactly. This is baby's first slander name. Yeah. Aeson kid. Because he has no jump shot. Because he got no J. Okay. Okay.

This is like con. This is before our time. An oldie, but a goody. This is incredible. Ace and Kid. You know what? I think the fact that like just saying Ace and Kid,

you might be like, wait, what's this landing? It's a good setup. And you make it way and then like because he has no J. And I'm not going to lie. It works if you just got me. You had to process it.

Exactly. I'm like, I'm like, it's the best. It has an inherent setup for a punchline. This is an A plus. This is barbershop humor, legendary stuff. Yeah, it doesn't put too deep. at all. It's just like light harder play. This is a. I can imagine an uncle saying, well, that's Acing kid.

And I'm like seven years old. He has me with her because he got no J. A plus. World B flat for Kyrie Irving. This is a treacherous time for Kyrie things. Most of his career has been a treacherous time for Kyrie friends. It has been. But you know what? The past 18 months has really been the only chill time.

And it's not their fault. It's not their fault. But this is hilarious. This is Fantastic. I'm, I am going to say, I'm going to give this a B plus because I don't think, I don't think it's as iconic as the other ones, but it is. It's also too funny to be that offensive. It's just hilarious. And he did so much other stuff after he got slander for that the world being flat stuff is like old news. It's not even the most slanderable carrie thing anymore. Now it's just like open sesame. It's open game to be made fun of. He was on a run back then, man. When he comes to being able to be slandered, he made it so easy. They hated him. Next up, street clothes. Yes, deluxe version.

This is the one that I like. Everybody likes, everybody likes the top hit. The real deep cut, the real album cut, this is what I like. This is Charles Barclays. This is on Charles Barclays greatest highlight reel. Yes. I'm going A plus. With that being said, I hit it every single time I heard this on TV.

It brought me nothing but rage. As a Lakers fan, I'm going F-minus. And that is why it's A-plus. Because it hurt every single time. It got the people going and the people are in me. It rage baited me to high hell Damn, man And it was true

It was I just see him there on the sidelines Sweater on chain Why you got a sweater It's 80 degrees of weather What's going on man They keep it cold in the arena man Ah true

You didn't see the Jordan pool video I did you're right I understand it now Next up La bum for LeBron Iconic Skip Bayless legendary name Is this the start Of like putting the LE as the

Probably is the most common to use one, but we can let the stand in for any la nickname. Oh, any love name. A plus plus, right? This arguably might be the greatest. It's so easy, so lighthearted. It still hurts too. Gets every LeBron fan angry and irritated. I really do hate, though.

I hate it so much because it's the stupidest thing in the world. To just put L.E. in front of phrases. Sentences. You know what's funny? But it works every time. It's stupid. It's very childish.

I'm I'm sure people have been shot over let nicknames though I'm sure LeBron fans have fought back with weaponry because it's an effective rage base been shot over saying you're a Lefraud what the fuck you know that video's gonna buy right now that pull in front of the precinct to me go right now he said what did he say I ruin my life you and your life I forgot what he said

he said we can record it I'll throw my life away you throw your life away that's the energy around love LeBron fans? Do you know what I'm talking about it? You said you could throw your wife away? I'll throw my life away. What the fuck?

I'll show you. I think I have... Oh, my God. It's the funniest thing. This is the exact energy that LeBron fans had over this. I've seen fisticuffs on Twitter. LeBum, Lefforn six.

Laforns. I don't want to meet nowhere. Put up in front of my house. Matter of fact, you ain't even got to put up in front of my house. Pull up in front of the motherfucking priestit. And let's hang out. Right down the block.

You know where it's that. You study my own neighborhood. We'll pull up in front of the K bar and let's bang out. And let's do it on camera. I throw my life away and you throw your life to die. Right now. Right now. And if you win, I'll make sure I got like $70,000 in my pocket.

And if you body me, you can take the money. Right now. I hate you, nigga. Let's die. That's the best part. I hate you. Let's die. Is your first up seeing this?

That's so good. I hadn't seen it before. You said I hate you. Let's bang out in front of the parking lot. I said I put 70,000 my pocket you can take it. Matter of fact, pull the before the precincts. We can put it on camera. I'm throwing my life away.

You throw your life away. I hate you. Let's die. Let's die. I've never seen that in my life. That's how Todd Lee was talking about Chris Paul. All right. A plus.

I beat you. Let's die. Run and dunk, man, for Yannis. A plus, this was so true at a certain point in time. Yo, this is the definition of slander because, of course, it ended up not being true, but it was true to a degree, especially back in what was the year, 2019 with the Toronto after just set up the wall. Ain't nothing Yonik's going to do about it.

This is a funny, funny slander nickname because it's not even about a negative thing. He just can't be stopped for running a dunking. So they're like, oh, sure, you're 30 points for game, are efficient, our dominant, our winning championships. But is it fun? No. This is like the Shea slender now. Exactly.

But I do like you because anytime you come up with a nickname, anytime you are a creative, you just want to see your work affect the world. And the fact that, like, you have running dunk man, the fact that James Harder himself was on an interview and was like, see, I actually have to be skilled. Like, I wish I could just run and dunk the ball. Like, you see that and you're like,

Man, we really changed the world. This is crazy. I kind of can't believe we'd let James Hardin get away with saying that. He's lucky he was still dominant at that time. If he said that, like, when he wasn't the guy, we would have been like, boom, you lose her. I mean, he was at the top of the world at that time. He wouldn't have sat down for an interview. Nobody would have wanted to talk to him if he wasn't the guy.

If he was six of James Hardin? Yeah. What makes us even more special, too, is that now we coined this phrase and turned it into a legit phrase, took it away from Yonis and just call it someone that, call someone this, whenever they just have no bag. Yeah, anybody that can't shoot John Morant, running dunk, man.

Yeah. Next up, 20 plus. Next up, oh, that's the last one. Damn. No, let's keep going. I've got no more slander.

Any honorable mentions you want to throw in? Honorable mentions. Full back dive is a good moment, too, for Janus. Full back dive is nasty work. What the hell? That was funny. Okay.

Next thing we are going to do, speaking of Janus, let's keep on the topic, keep talking about him and his peers. We are going to put 15 of the 30 starting power forwards in the NBA into a tier list continuing our series of tier listing every single position this is week four going to the power forwards actually a very exciting one

there's a lot of young stars here I got one of them let's do this shit let's do this shit I'm sure we spend a lot time talking about yours so first off what do you want to start with we have S through F as always set the marker put Yannis in S okay Janus still number one really no competition there hasn't in for his entire prime. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Now, what do you want to do with Scotty Barnes? I mean, right now he's been hooping. Right now he's playing like one of, what, the three best power forwards in the world? Three to five. There's a lot of great ones on here, so I don't know where we'll fall. But he's certainly been tier two after, you honest. A tier then. So he's a tier.

Right now he's playing like that. If you think that Brandon Ingram has genuinely come in here and changed his life and that his life is forever changed, okay, cool. We can go 18. I do buy that. Now that he has one more score, take the pressure off of him. He doesn't have to beat your team's leading field goal attempt maker. He can just be an elite defender, awesome secondary passer, awesome screener, awesome individual

score when he's not tasked with being that main guy. He's the most well-runner player on his list, I think, and probably one of the three or four best defenders. I say that because there's a lot of good defenders on here. But he's in that top tier with Mobley and so forth. Okay. So let's go straight to Mr. 18 and 8. What are you going to do with Evan Mobley? Have B-tier.

No. That's funny as hell. 18 and A is pedestrian. So he's still 8 here, though, right? Even with the fact he didn't take the leap he wanted him to make, he still is a DPO-wide level defender. Offensively, he might just be 18-8 forever. Even then, 18-8 and D.P.O.Y. level defense.

Great player. Amazing player. My question is, who's been better this year? Mowgli with, keep in mind, we're disappointed by the lack of leap, but he is still very good. Or Scotty Barnes. And I asked that because Raptors fans have had a chip on their shoulder for the entirety of Scottie Barnes career

because it's been a debate that has haunted them. Rookie year they're taking victory laps because Scottie Barnes aren't Ricky the year. Then last year, obviously, Moby lapped him. Now they're back for a vengeance. Who's better so far, these 25 games? I say call it chalk. Put them in the same tier, man.

But who's better stand on it? I think Moby's the better defender. But Scotty Barnes, he's damn near might be first team all NBA as well this year. With having, like, much better offense and doing way more often. First team all defense, me? Yes. Okay. This is what All-Star Weekend is for.

Yeah. Put them both on the court, one-on-one. Let's see who's better. Craig Barnes might kill. That would be the worst one-on-one games we'll ever see. That might be the most ridiculous matchup you could imagine. Mobile don't even take advantage of like six, five guys, as is. What are you going to do with Scotty Barnes?

We got Scottie Barnes and jumpers over DPOI. They would both never score. That would be gross basketball. That's a way to tank ratings. Jalen Johnson. Probably about D tier. He's a bad defender. Fucking bum.

He's a bad defender. I think like once Trey comes back and his, usage goes all the way like down then i think we'll probably get get to him i want to give him credit because like he has been playing well but probably detere i don't like i don't think you're building a franchise around him hello yes officer this man right here is trying to mug me from my dreams hopes and aspirations black man beanie on get him right here some bullshit man he is a tier i think as well he's less of course stamped as someone like scotty barnes and Evan Moby doesn't have any accolades

just yet coming late to the scene but when it comes to just not even a beer grown man let's get somewhere headtop is grown no but hey I told you he has to cut that too it's fine he'll be okay he'll either cut it down or let's get some waves

I DM'd him a couple of braders in Atlanta so he should be straight within the next week to two you're the hair plug yeah exactly I know some people you think he would look good with brids I don't know but we'll find out nevertheless he is playing to A tier right now. He's the best offensive player

in this tier. Worst defensive player probably nets out to the same tier. I don't really know between these three who I'm going to rank higher given this season. I'll probably lean Moby being the best player here. But Jalen Johnson's making a case for himself. This is one of the best playmaking. Actually, this is the best playmaker on this tier list, I think.

And he's currently shooting 42% from three. So he's a problem right now. Yeah, he's just constantly improving. Like last year two years ago, whatever I talked about him as like this guy's really interesting. And of course we're seeing him, we notice him. There's not much to talk about, though, because there has been much proof because of the constant injuries happening time and time again. And so far, knock on a goddamn wood, he's been healthy.

And all the skills that I talked about years ago, whether it would be the shooting, the passing. Once long ago, it was the defense that has waned off as now he realized that he's important at work now. And he's asked to do so many things as the lone star. So it's crazy, man. A tiered Jalen Johnson, we're here. Yeah, maybe it's reactionary. Maybe he'll slow down and live up to this. But no, no, no, no, no, it's real.

At the very least, he's B tier. I agree. Zion Williamson. That is D too. No, not D. He can't be D. Come on now. D.

Jonathan Kaminga is someone who's like in D. They both suck. Keep my, everybody on here as a starter. And most of them are good. So like, it's not, he's not,

I don't know. And I will put Kaminga at minimum, a tier lower than Zion. So we can put Kaminga and F and we can do that. We can put Kaminga and F. We can be Zion and D. I think that Zion right now,

as like Zion is, is one of you are you not disappointed with what you've seen from Zion? Of course I am very. Even whenever he's been on the floor. Yes, big or not.

I am actively discussing in Zion Williamson right now that I'm willing to go D out of pure hatred in my heart for what I've seen as a long time Zion Williamson truthor. We've converted him. But we might have to push it up once we see who he's around.

Dude, let him do it. When he earns it, we can put him back up to A tier, put him back up to B tier at minimum. This guy got skinny, got worse, and got hurt even more. There is no silver lining right now. He has been complete bullshit. As a defender, complete bullshit as a leader, complete bullshit as a franchise player.

There is no reason to be optimistic about Zion Williamson in 2025. I agree. I'm not optimistic at all. There's nothing. You got it. I don't do. Would you want, this team might cut him because it's better for their long-term outlook. They might cut him.

You might fire him. You got the spirit animal of Donovan in you right now. They might fire him from his job. I have to take you to the nearest Catholic church. You have to be like, drinks, bro. I have to drown you. He got skinny, hurt his hamstring more often. Got skinny.

Stop dunking as often. Stop going at the rim as often. He's not as efficient. I get it. Horror stories. Please, I get it. He has just been very average

as a number one option so far this season. This is his last season as a number one option. I fear. He's still not Deter though. I mean, yeah, realistically.

I mean, he's popular. I guess B or C. But like, when you bring in the unreliability factor and how much you want him on your roster to build around. Most people, most fans probably won't

touch him with a 10-foot pole. So he might be an F tier for a lot of people. for reasons obviously not entirely about their on-court production but you can't divorce those reasons with Zion Williamson okay all right

we'll see we'll see I hate this guy put him in D he's already D already did it yeah all right John the Kaminka yeah that's up to

that's up to we get a nice 15 to 25 games every single year where we say oh he's putting it together now how those games are dispersed we don't know you might get one game here a three game stretch here

maybe you get two weeks you get a nice seven to eight game stretch where he's putting it all together however once his free trial runs out and those 25 games are up he will go back to being a player that the golden state warriors themselves don't want on on their team he will go back to being a player that the words are saying we will trade you and he probably wants to be traded his dream on his wall the poster that he has is michael porter junior he said i want to go to brookman I want to take 20 shots a night. I want to get buckets.

That is what he wants to do. Allow him to be that. Because right now, he has not shown the willingness or the overall effectiveness or ability to be one of the, what, seven best, eight best power forwards in the moon. Hell, though. He's far from that.

Exactly. We're trying to get starting minutes for Kaminga on every single team. I don't think that would happen. All right. Jaron Jackson, Jr., last year, he had a breakout season in which he had his best volume scoring year this year

he has gotten no flack because John Morant has been the biggest source of criticism in the NBA. He has also been pretty dog shit for his standards. I think he's C-Tare. Yeah, probably C-Tier. So C-Tier's quite reactionary. Does he have any arguments to be B? I think I'll put him at B. But so far with what's been going on this season

if we're holding him to like the standard in which we usually do in terms of your DP-O-Y, you're all-star and all that. You should be the best per on this team currently. You're not, you're not like your impact It's clearly so skewed and you're obviously like a flawed player. I think he'll probably, he should, spiritually, he might be a C. He might be. He spiritually, spiritually you're mid.

Yeah, you might be a C. He's, he's playing, yeah, he is playing like C. I think last year, last year he took a step forward and we saw the offense. And this year, he saw Jal was playing around. And he was like, oh, we're on that? I bet like I'm out, I'm out too. So I think, I think it's fair to say right now he is C. Guys, you average just 2.2 turnovers and 1.9 assist.

Put this motherfucker in C. He's dropped five points for game. The shot blocking isn't what it once was. And he has a negative assist to turnover ratio. Put this guy in C. Yeah. I'm tired of him as far as all stars. He should be B though.

And he met his best is true. Oh, last year he was B or flirting with A. Yeah. Which makes it even more disappointing what we've seen from this year. Pascal Seaccombe. The perfect B. He's going to say S to. Nah.

Did you see that a game winner though? he's the perfect B A's B Yep Awesome number two option Next to Tyrese Halliburton Does so many things well Makes them go at the level

They went last year Probably doesn't have as much juice As the guys in A tier Whether it be defensively With Scottie and Mowbly Or even offensively I think John Johnson Is a little more in the tank right now

Yeah I agree With the guys in S and A tier Obviously you can look at these guys And be like Okay positionally you are the best In the league at some random thing On the court wants some random skill set And see how come just don't have that

It's just a talent gap at this point. Also, he's pretty close. He could be the worst in A if we wanted to, but this is what he goes before. He's slightly worse. We'll put somebody in B, but... Maybe he could be A. Well, last year, we would have said A when the team is whole, and you get the version of him as, like, the elite second option. So, Pacious fans, you could argue A, and I wouldn't feel mad about it.

Yes, but if we're saying that Jalen Johnson, if Jalen Johnson is the worst player in A, the way that he's been playing, I don't think Pascal has been on that for, for, this year so i think it's it's okay we keep him in b okay larry marketing also b um i think he's he's he's he's he's awesome but i it's also been a while and this is obviously unfair to him because he got traded there but it's been a while since i've seen larry play some meaningful basketball he's never played meaningful basketball at day in his life right and he's never really been like asked to do so he's having a crazy shot making season 28 points per game right now, which is down a little bit, it was 30

at some point. Yeah. But I'm okay with him and B. He's the best scorer on here outside of Yannis, I think, but the worst defender of the top five we have here and brings a little to nothing as a playmaker. So Jaylon Johnson might be overall a better offensive player and defensively, it might be a wash. So B tiers are probably okay.

Yeah, I feel like B tier's perfect. Yeah, he can put up numbers clearly as a number one option on a mediocre team like that. Yeah. But he probably is best used on those smaller usage without such crazy numbers on a good team. So, yeah. very far player, but we've seen him at his absolute best and it's a little hard he's doing.

He's just showing all the good parts of his game. Yeah. Aaron Gordon. I mean, he was playing himself like 80 years. Yeah, man. He's just one of the best shooters in the world now. Two years in a row, it's just stamped. Is he 8 dear?

Be 8thier, man. What are we doing? It's tough because he is such a, like, elite role player. Yeah. He's not viewed as a star. But, like, is he better than Jamal Murray? Low-key. Like, it's conversation.

He's as good as you can be as, like, the role player. Yeah. To not be an A tier And like he Also He can be on any team And do the things that he's doing Who's more impactful to winning

Jalen Johnson or Aaron Gordon It's Aaron Gordon hands down Then he's got to be A tier Is Aaron Gordon very pastus Yakum That's how it feels weird Because I feel like Pascal can do a lot of the same things Yeah Aaron Gordon just helps win games

In an alarming degree Aaron Gordon is shooting the way that he is shooting right now It wouldn't be crazy if you said that. A lot of teams, like, again, the power forward position defense matters a lot. So a lot of teams would probably rather have him than Larry marketing.

For sure. I think they're in the same time. I think he belongs in B tier. Jalen Johnson throw me off. I think Aaron Gordon is just as good as Jalen Johnson. I don't know. He's not, so. It seems you got to move Jailen down.

It's points for game bias and like on ball scoring bias. Jalen Johnson does more like star stuff like that, you know. But the defense of Aaron Gordon is insane, the off ball, the ability to scale down and still be useful. like I feel like if we're being like trying to be educated fans, I feel like Aaron Gordon and Jalen Johnson are comparable.

No, I feel like, well, yes, like your statement might like probably is true. I view Aaron Gordon just as important, at least in like a championship team building aspect. Like you're an integral part and you're very much, and there's a lot of times you can look like the second, worst case scenario, third best player on the team. And I can say the same thing about Seacom and also Larry Marken. Meanwhile, with these conversations that we have with Scottie Barnes, Evan Mobley and Jalen Johnson,

these are just like, oh, you're getting ready to be like potentially the guy on a shape? That's the thing. Are we doing too much too fast with Jalen Johnson making that differentiation? No, he's, he's shown it for the last few years, so I don't think it's too fast. Okay, fine, Aaron Gordy.

Yeah. Okay. So something about that feels reactionary to me. Whoa, whoa, wait. I thought we were all on the same page putting him in A. If I had, if I had a 41 and 41 team right now and I had $30 million, and I had to fill out my power forward.

I obviously outside of Scotty and Evan Mobley, I'm giving Aaron Gordon my money over the other three guys. Okay. Are we doing a little bit too much because, like, I don't know, Yolkes is there and he just helps. But he can shoot now. It's the crazy part. Like, if we were doing this a couple years ago.

He's also amazing defender. We can go ahead. Yeah. When he was shooting like 29% for 3, then it's like, okay, that's a little crazy. Now that he's up to 40, he he made like seven three 10 threes in the game he scored 50 that's ridiculous it's hard because like Larry Markner I have just 28 and like the points for game

bias like he's such a bucket but yeah I'd probably rather him yeah he's a cone it's too he's not a cone but he's not a cone but he's not a cone but he's not when I slow down and get him on my hip I'm getting that layup off it's Jemong green in 2025 probably B tier tier right he still plays stuff here you just call it beat here and call it yeah call it His game is just so simple, bro. Call it. Tobias Harris. D.

Call it. Ruri Hachamora. F. Call it. What? John Collins. Let's call it. Don't put them on this.

F, call it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's just right. I guess so. Yeah. Rui is an incredible shot maker. His spot of three-point ability, an ability to take exactly one dribble in a very slow fashion

get to a mid-range bucket and shoot over people like it's 2005 fantastic at that he would thrive in on 1995 Duke or something like that today very flat player

brings nothing defensively nothing on the boards should be a six man shouldn't be starting for an elite team Tobias Harris just a guy solid vet doing your job

the fact that Zion has plummeted his stock to being Tobias Harris conversations Tobias should be probably F, right? No. Lenton to be better than like Rui and John Collins. I would rather have.

I'd rather have Rui on my team than Tobias, I think. I don't know if I believe that. I'd rather have Tobias over Camino over John Collins. I think they're the same guy damn near. So, I mean, do you want to put Zon to see? Yeah, I think, I think, no, I think Zon deserves his own tier. He's a standout. He's a standout.

Tobias here is good F. I don't care. Yeah. Julius Randall, where does he fall in this three tiers of all stars? C. Stop that. I think Julius Randall is as good as Lowry and Siakum. He's been playing great. He held the fort down when Anthony Edwards was hurt.

His shot making has been good for several years now. His playmaking has been pretty impactful the last two years next to Anthony Edwards. He's not the worst defender in the world. Bring some strength and switchability. Switched out really well against Abiluca last year when he was fat. Did a good job in the playoffs switching on to him, defending him one-on-one. I'm going to beat. Could be beat.

Sure. Yeah, I agree with you. I think he's just as good as Lowry. in Siaco. Okay. No gripes. Yeah, it's so weird because he's like very different. And obviously it has the stink of like previous seasons when he was really flawed.

But this is two years in a run now that I think he's been pretty much entirely impactful offensively with no real drawbacks. Okay. I'm fine with that. Palo Ben-Cario. Ooh. This is the hardest conversation I have right now. Now, starting the season, that's not good. That wasn't good hoops.

I would say right now, his PR with the way that the magic have played with the way that he started the season, it's honestly, maybe not an all-time load, but it's down. Yeah, he should be a tier firmly with on the same timing as Scotty Barnes and Jones also. And even above these guys really, he should be top of eight tier. But the things that we've all been clamoring forward would be just throwing your back in your, get into your game and your spots a little bit quicker and all that. the actual percentages of his shots shots that's actually being taken and also made so much to be desired

he's an average ass defender right he's a as far as number one options go I'd say average playmaker he has his strengths there has his weaknesses overall nets out to as a lead creator average playmaking right

two very important things he's average at either shoot officially from midrange shoot efficiently from three or play defense you gotta do one one of those really well. Right now he doesn't do anything really well. Until then, I can't say he's as good as Evan Mobley. So you want to go B or C? I think right now he's B. C's crazy. I think I think right now he's probably, I think three, three things that he has to do and you say

he doesn't do anything of him well. So that's why I thought C. I think right. So then I look at like Draymond and Julius. I'm like, he's better than those guys. So he's like by far the best player in B. But he's too flawed to be impactful enough to be in A, I think. I think he's B. But then I look at Aaron Gordon. I'm like, is that true? Am I doing too much? I think we did too much with Aaron Gordon personally. I'm constantly in a state of trying to do. I'm like gaslit into thinking Palo Bancares is a superstar, so I constantly feel like a hater by saying he doesn't provide superstar value right now,

but also acknowledging he can and like presumably will make that leap at some point and will obviously be a tier, but he's not that yet. I don't know what to do with that. My biases are fighting against me. I need him to get back in the lineup, Palo. Let's score 50. And everything is all good. Everything's okay.

As long as you can have, you know, a 50. point game. Anybody's getting 50 points. Payne persons just have 42. You can get 47. I think we could put him in B. I would, what would be super disappointed is if he came back and all the shots are getting mucked up again, Desmond Bain isn't in this right spots. I'm not, actually, I'm being a little bit unfair because it's more so of a coaching thing, but if his individual performance, aka if he's still like not necessarily a at least average mid-range shooter or finish or anything of that nature

then you're very much being... Dan, what does he do well? He does finish well at the room. He's an amazing free-throw drawer. Yes, exactly. And that's where the list ends. Everything else, he creates advantages from the mid-range, like,

decently with that volume, that it's not like... It nets out as an average score and, like, average lead offensive creator, I think. But, like, individual micro-skills doesn't do a whole lot super well, like at a star level. He's really just, like, really big.

He's kind of like a size merchant. He's gigantic. That's what he does well. Yeah, it's just, hard to stop. Yeah, he's a load. That's what does well. He throws his body around real well.

B, too. He should be A. Yeah, he should be. But he's not that right now. He's not that. He probably will get there. We're recording this. Until the playoffs roll around and he starts scoring 30 again, but right now it hasn't been

there. Thursday, December 4th, we're recording this. He's been injured for a little while. He's going to come back at some point. By the time the season ends, if you're watching this in January, he can and should be A. But as of today, it feels like B plus. Yeah, I agree.

Or A minus, maybe whatever. the differentiation is like he he is a peer of the guys in a he's just not performing at the level yeah like when it comes to talking about the power forwards you should pretty much run the decade it's him alongside scotty evan mowgli and jalen johnson he should be at the front i feel so gross just being like yeah jelan johnson's a tear head of palibank dude it's so crazy i don't even know if it's true but we're going to let you glaze aaron gorein's right there we just put him down and let this conversation rest Low key, I feel like A tier is really Scotty and Mowgli

And then Jalen Johnson and Aaron Gordon can be B tier Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, just leave it at the latter half So we're gonna leave here, know what I would do? I would put him and D all these guys in C And then these two guys in B That's probably more adequate because I feel like Scotty and Mowley are a tier ahead of Jalen and Aaron Gordon What has Evin Moby done this season alone to be ahead of Jalen Johnson?

Defense. Not much Ah Well, nah, that's a half of the ball. He's amazing at it. Jalen Johnson is not. He's not a You won DPOI last year

He did He did win DPOI But John Johnson is also averaging like 21 He was 21, he wasn't 21, 9 and 7 What's what he's doing 21 9 and 7

He's also average 21 Like that's the same Yeah 21 9 and 7 man That's it Seven? Where did this come from Last year you said

Seven he's averaging over seven Assistic game Oh right now Yeah Okay I thought you're saying last year Oh only 21 points It's gonna be 22 soon With no defense

It plays a little better defense I hear an air That is our tier list I don't feel good about that one That one's tough This is a hard position to gauge right now With the way guys are playing Yeah

Yeah I don't know Next thing we're gonna do Donovan It is your time to hate Donovan is going to rank to us His top 10 Most disappointing players In the NBA this season

That's true Get your shit off I got my list Got my list All right at number 10 We got 18 and 8 Every I mean this is tough

Because like Go ahead Make your case Why is he disappointing So he's disappointed because we thought that Evan Mobley was going to take a leap this year. We saw signs last year that his

offense and that his ability to be the number one guy is that that was on the way. We were having conversations. Like, is he the best player on the Cavs? Like, has he lapped DeMitch? And coming into this year, especially with Darius Garland already dealing with injuries, the Cavs are

very mid. We don't think that they're like an overly, you know, top 10 team in the league. When coming into the year, we're like, the cabs are going to win, they might win the Eastern Conference. They should be in the finals. And not that everything is on Evan Moble, but the fact that he hasn't elevated

is kind of disappointed. The reason why he's 10 on my list is because he still is providing 18 and 8 and good defense. He still is a very good player, so that's why he's lower, but we should have gotten just a little bit more. He's still good. We want him to be great

because he hasn't hit our expectations. You make the list but just barely. I think he should have been hiring this list because if you ask any other top three overall pick someone who's actually like lived up to some level of expectations this is a moment where you say where you see your star point guard go away you're prioritized last year you asked demons to take a step back average 21 points a game one of the lowest averages of his career this is your moment to say hey like we still good over here because i'm going to go ahead and elevate and become a fucking superstar capitalized off of last year i get that storybook he went

deep a while last year yeah he did and maybe he just isn't that offensive player we wanted to be and that's fine if he's just going to be a solid secondary offensive player well being a DPOI but never becomes a volume score, so be it. I guess so. So be it. You know, it's a good place to be. You're still an All-Star. Next player, Mr. Rob Dillingham. Only number nine.

Rob Dillingham is a guy one of the few Kentucky guards that looks like he's going to fail is at a position that we have been clamoring for the Minnesota Timberwolves to upgrade. And they have said it's okay. We don't need to go out and get a point guard. And honestly,

We'll let a ball handler walk because we got Rob. Robert got us. They ain't got nothing with Rob DeLamham. The whole, the whole idea, even outside of playmaking, can you come in here and can you give us buckets? How many times this season do you think that Rob Dillingham has scored at least 10 points in a game? Once, maybe twice. One time.

What? Damn. One time. He scored 11 points. Damn. Outside of that, Rob Dillingham is not giving them the enough scoring. He's not giving them playmaking. We know him.

his size. We know the limitation that he has on the defensive side of the ball. The Tim Wolves have a, they gave up insane draft capital. They have a massive hole. And Rob Dealingham is not living up to it. He's disappointed right now. It gets real spooky once people start to question if you can generate enough power from your shots to get the ball to touch the rim.

Nasty conversations we were having, man. I hope there's still a chance. He's still young. But yeah, early returns are not great. Yes. Ooh. Dyson Daniels. Okay.

Number eight. Okay. Uh, if your few, if your three point percentage is under 20% you are going to be on the list. I'm sorry, that's, that's really it. That is, that's really it. Not much the same person is that. You are doing like trash, dude, what is going on?

That's really as simple as that. Obviously, made a great leap last year. Now you can't score one way player as of now. We would like you to score a little bit. Yeah, man. He's, again, I said it earlier in this season as a joke. It went down. He was stealing money.

Oh my goodness. When I looked, when I put him on this list, he was shooting 19%. He's at 15% right now. Yeah, man 15%. Also, once I saw somebody say he looks like Riley Curry, I have not been able to unsee it.

That is Steph Curry, son. We're just getting light skins out here. Dude, look at him in the eyes. He looks so much like Steph Curry. He is curry coated. What the fuck? He looks a lot like Riley Curry. Yo, he's the complete opposite

of Steph Curry. What the fuck? It's the worst shooter ever big as hell. You play insane defense. Like, if that was Steph Curry Jr., like I'd completely believe you. That's, yo.

Is this candid? That almost looks as much like Steph has brought. He looks like LeBron. Like, it's almost the same level. The fuck. That's crazy, man. Number seven, who we got? We got board men, Kauai, Leonard. Okay.

Well, what do you expect from Kauai that you're not getting? Hey, man. I know, I know stuff is going on. He's damaged to be 50, 40, 90s still. Guess what? You need to come out here. James Hardin is playing like it's 2018. You need to do the same thing.

You need to be out here scoring 30. You need to be out here. There's no reason, no reason why the clipper should be this badge. And I don't care. I really don't care. He could be shooting. Sorry. I said damn near. He is shooting 50, 40, 90. And it's 97% from the free throw line. Why is it not 100%? I'm also, I'm using Kaua Leonard as a proxy for the Lippers. And there it is. Because they are ultimately disappointed. I can't get mad at James Hardin because he's hooping. You need to do more. Yeah, you said James Harden made a new hamstring in a cave with a box of scrap.

You can't lead us to the play. Okay, this is clearly Clippers hate. Yeah, so we had to. Number six, Tumani Kamara. Too many cameras. And we have said it before. Until you get back to that all defense, one of the most versatile lockdown defenders,

somebody that as soon as you check into the game, people are at the free throw line looking back like, no, it's not him, it's not him. Until we get back to that level of fear and lockdownness from you, you will be too many cameras you also can't be taking the most shots of your career and being the most inefficient that you have ever been in your three years in the league i understand you've been in the gym i understand you he's leveling up now he got paid he got paid he was able to pay for more

trainers i know that you think that you have a bag now let's reel a bag let's get down let's get down back to the basics and do what you do best damn he's on this list understandable Jerry Jackson, Jr., we have just talked about him. He's not... I think he should be hired. This is too low. We're getting into the top five. He gets slight, slight of a pass in terms of being higher on this list because of other individuals.

He exists in the shadow of somebody who's clearly in your top five. Demetrius! But Jaron Jackson. Just though, if nobody else wants to talk about it, I've noticed. You've been terrible. this year and last year you set a new standard if nobody else wants to talk about the fact that you completely fell to live up to it I will

Jerry Jackson if 12's not there you need to be there you you have to be the one to step up and lead this team forward and you guys are currently not doing anything you the vibes are bad your play is not up to your current standard Jerry Jackson has been insanely disappointing this year

yeah man John Moran's a non-entity and you're still averaging five less points for game than last year he's not it's as simple as that That's outland. Now's your time. He's not even blocking shots like he used to no more either, man. What does he do? He'd just be there.

Be tall. Don't get, don't box out. Or if I'm, I guess. Palo Bank Harrow's number four. Ooh. But he got hurt.

I understand this. I understand this. Part of it is because he didn't start the season great. And I am letting some of the discourse seep into this. Because now it's like, wait, are the magic actually like a little, a little bit more like it's got to hurt more for him because he's the biggest

polo they do have a top 10 offense without you it's starting to creep in and now and now i'm more disappointed honestly by just the situation than him specifically because why are we having conversations about oh are the magic even better than palo are they are they even better without palo we should never think that in our life you are palo bank hero you are 610 you are you are huge you are a demon i need you to put it all together he didn't say he's killed he said you The straight O, are you six, ten. You got tattoos, you got brains in a headband. You know how to hesitate tweet.

We've seen you do the hezy tweet. We've seen you have good playoff performances. I need that to happen in the regular season. I need you to figure out a way to play with Franz Wagner. I need you to figure out a way to play with Desmond Vaughn. Because the magic have gone out and they've said, hey, this offense is not good. We're going to give you more offensive pieces.

And if it doesn't work because of your inability to either mesh with everybody else, or be a very quick and decisive or learn how to play off of other people that is very disappointed so that's why he's number four time for the top three who's number three Zion Williams how is he not one how could he not be one

there's other people I've liquidated my Zion stock I held on to it we hit rock bottom we went broke we didn't go to the moon we went to the guy we went to Hades for other people he might be one I knew you my stock was already sold

I've been sold my stock right so adjusted four expectations he probably is one for other people be even now still damn i held the line you got worse than every facet as soon as you got skinny i'm over it disappointed i can't do it anymore who's number two the mellow ball zion is way more disappointed than the mellow ball no man i don't know not man here's okay so you were already out on zon i've been out on lamello i've been that's what it is that's all it is yeah and now now we're flipped I just need, I need Lamella Ball to, I need to figure out if he, and actually, this is why it's this point, because I think I'm getting the answer.

I don't think that Lamella Ball is a winning player. And I, and I don't know that if you are building your team around him, that you can win a championship. Maybe he could be. Does it true for things and I agree. He might be a winning player. And that, and that's, that's, that's exactly what I was about to say. Maybe, maybe he can still be a integral part of a championship team. He can't be the one.

100% agree. And you know, go ahead. If he was a sidekick to Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown as a third option there, I think that would make a lot of sense. Building your team around him is a first primary scoring option. I don't want to see it. Exactly. Bro, damn, bro.

These are two former stars now that are getting their chain snatched by some 2025 NBA rookies. We're talking about building over Khan over you, bro. We're talking about building a scene over with Derek Queen over you, right? Man, it took me six days if the side con con con could be better than the Malibol. That's crazy, man. It took me watching exactly two regularly. In games, for me to say, I'd rather have concinople. And isn't that crazy?

Isn't that that ridiculous? Yeah, that's damn me. Here we are. It took me two days to say concinibals better than Brandon Miller, too. Who's number one in your list? Who is the most disappointing player in the league? Is Mr. Morant? None of the truth is it has to be.

It's a Mr. Morant. This one's not even debatable. It just feels like it's over. Like, I feel very little reason to be like, oh, if things get right and he starts doing this and that, I have no out to tell you it'll get better. Yeah. And I understand the Grizzlies fans that want to hang on to any hope and the connection that they have to him. That's your guy.

You ride with him until the end. Fine. Everybody else sees what's going on. And the vibes bad. The play bad. The athleticism and the fake highlights, bad. You can think it's silly or not when I saw the highlight of him trying to dunk on Hartenstein and not and not getting halfway above where he used to get, yeah, man, it's over.

Oh, my God. The idea of, oh, my goodness, 12's here. Nah, it's rap. Don't call him 12 no more, man. He is Demetrius until he proves otherwise. He is no longer Jha at all. He's Tometrius. Yeah, the Jammar that was going toe to toe with the Warriors,

the one that was scoring 40 points in the playoff game, that guy's not there. Calling him by his nickname, we give that grace to young players. Exactly, bro. We give that grace to guys who actually fight him. We're cool. Creightney, you don't... I can't even see him celebrate no more on the court, bro.

Fuck that grenade celebration. You are Timetius. Get you three. Get back to the defensive end. Put him shorts up. Hell of celebration. Fuck that. Can't do it.

Damn. Understandable. Understandable. Top of this list. Yeah, man. And with that being said, it's time for our next segment. The next thing we're going to do, we're going to play the five-level game we always do.

about a past player in today's NBA I'm going to name two players you tell me who would be better them or prime Chris Paul Paul went out since the clippers want to go and just disrespect the greatest player to ever put on a clipper's uniform and they sent him home

who the hell do you think you are we've never seen this before in our entire lives man you don't see to him I'm gonna talk about this in the power ring is you meant to get into this and fire up the clippers you completely forgot so be it conversation for another day

I guess. But I will name five levels of current day NBA stars. You tell me who you would take to build a team around today, them, or 2007 Chris Paul. That's the best version of Chris Paul. Okay. And his prime MVP level player. Level one, Chris Paul or Trey Young. Chris, I mean, he does the same exact things offensively.

Less shots, more efficient. All-MBA type defense for his position. He's better at literally everything. Yeah. I hate that it's not a conversation, but it's not a conversation. Honestly, we slander Trey a lot. this isn't even trace lander there's there's it's not really an insult to be worse at chris paul and everything yeah it's chris level two chris paul 07 chris paul versus kate cutting him

oh see now aesthetically k kate might that's the only way that he would have an argument why huh because he's tough do you see what he did to the host the other days let's get sexy you you see what he did pretty eyes you see what what he did to the hawk the other day dribbled between everybody reverse lamp

to ice it he's out here he's doing curls he's out here he's doing it he's scoring 46 points on 45 shots

Chris Paul's a lot better Cade's a snack It's out here again that's the only that's the only way because outside of that Chris Paul is better

at everything minus the adroit yeah it's Chris Paul is clearly better yeah we want to talk we want to talk about Prime I don't know

if young Chris Paul isn't keeping up oral wise I mean, Chris Paul did have hazel eyes. You're right. Still does. They didn't go away. Oh, shit, man. I couldn't tell. I just see nothing but gloom in those eyes these days. But yeah. Level 3, 07 Chris Paul or Jalen Brunson. Ooh, this is close.

Shout out to my captain. I will ride for you forever. This is a hypothetical and I don't have to ride with you in this man. I'm going prime Chris Paul. The defensive impact alone, it's Chris Paul. Yeah, I agree. If you put Chris Paul with that type of space and you tell him, hey, I need 25 from you. Fortunately, he's going to do. that forcefully level four anthony edwards now we're getting into top six or seven players in the world i feel that and i and i understand that the aunt has had like a crazy stretch

great eight games prime crisp ball is different i think prime better defender than anthony edwards even with having four less inches and i know stupid and i and i i know that my offense is going to be 100% okay no matter who we have chris paul like you said if you ask him hey we need 25 tonight he can go do that if you tell him we need we need you to get everybody else involved he's like cool i'll just get 15 assists he can do everything that that you need him to do and to me cp3 is a top 30 peak of all time it might get there one day but for now i'm going chris paul okay level five now this is the difference of which style do you want to build around chris paul or luca donchich I think it would be so much easier to build around someone like Chris Paul

because he can mesh and mold with anything and anybody you've seen him play with James Hard and win 60 games Push the Golden State Warriors Greatest team of all fucking time to six or seven games or whatever it was Luca his talent is undeniable As a whole he might give you 80 alone by himself But 15 assists alongside of that I think I'd rather build around Chris Paul

But Lucas' talent is undeniable Luca's already taking you a lot further than the playoffs. He went to the fucking finals damn nearby himself because Kyrie was on whatever he was on too. Ooh. There's a lot of drawbacks to Luca Donchich. It's Luca.

It's Luca. It's Luca. We got to go. We got to end it here. These are both top 30 players of all time. I really have no idea how I feel about that. You know, I will say, I'll say Luca, I'll say Luca Donchich is better at his peak.

But there's a lot of team constructions that you maybe would rather have Chris Paul. There's less downsides potentially, with certain fits of certain players. But in a vacuum, we're going to Luca Donchich. Yeah. But man, that's close.

That is dumb, close, man. Chris Paul is never... Like, if you were the Timberwolves and you had the opportunity to either choose some, like, Luca, or, like, Prime Chris Paul. Who are you taking? Yeah, for the Timberwolves,

their team construction, you would take Prime Chris Paul. I don't know, Luke and Anthony Edwards? How do you stop that? I don't know. Because, but... They have defense... Who would get along better with Rudy Gobert?

Chris Paul, probably. No, Chris Paul is a dickhead. Chris Paul is a dickhead. Luca. The way he would see Rudy Goberber fumbling those get along better yeah

Luca I don't know but Luca clearly has static with Rudy Gobert too the game winner on him

like two years ago yeah he does hate him yeah because he made a shot you think he doesn't fuck with him

he always hates him though okay next thing we're gonna do I saw a tweet or was a TikTok I forget that said

2021 Chris Milton is the perfect 87 overall in 2K and I said wow that is the most factual statement I've ever seen in my life

so I'm gonna name a series of NBA 2K ratings to you. You tell me who is the perfect player to describe that rating across history, specific year or right now, whatever it may be to you. Okay.

Who do you think of? We'll start off. 90 overall. 2021, Try Young. That's a true 90 overall. Okay. At his peak, offensive engine, no defense.

No defense, but the shot is working at its fucking fullest. Floater is there. He's a real three-level score at that point in time, too. Now, I know who's perfect 90 overall? Who?

Prime. Williams. Oh. That's like 93. Okay. Understand. We just have the Chris Paul thing. Prime Darwins was in Chris Paul conversation.

No, I look at him. No, he wasn't. Yes, he was. Someone said it at some point. Conversations were had. If we had a podcast, you'd be like, fuck no.

But I guess the conversation was had. Okay. Trayon is a good example. I think we're an idea. 65. 65 overall. let's go now 65 isn't unrosterable

that's like the worst player at your bench 2021 Denzel Valentine specifically when he took the half court shot nah no no no I think he's probably like a 67 66 65

man said no for one overall yeah you're gonna find me on Denzel Valentine go to hell what's your problem his shooting says it'd be too high it'll be too high someone who just like

he's not good good Too much. Jared Dudley. 2020, Jared Dudley. Okay, old man, Jared Dudley? Yeah. You know what? He's genuinely not good. The last year of his crew, not even 2020.

He was still good in 2020. What was the last year? Like, 22, Jared Dudley? Some like that, yeah. Yeah. When he was the locker room presence, veteran leader deserved his roster spot, you don't want to see him on the court.

Just gave you nothing as all. I don't want to give a 65 for all any minutes, but I'm happy to roster him if there's extracurricular reasons. Yeah. Okay. Jared Dudley. He's carrying so far. Okay.

82. Talk about he over a 65. Jared Dilley's hella valid, but you don't want him on the court at all. There's no universal on him on the court. Denzel Valentine, if you're down like by three, you want him as a decoy shooter. That's a, okay, now you lost me. You're out of your mind. He was a decent shooter.

Is that he were talking about Denzel about? Yes, he was a decent shooter. What do you mean? You think he's just shooting that stuff for no reason? It was a bad shot, but I'm not lying. Stay here. He was a decent shooter. Okay.

There's a reason why he was employed. Half the league had COVID. they had to get somebody jobs. I said he was employed even before COVID. Stop that. What was his three, four percentage? Did he even get a second contract? I don't know what you're talking about he's employed.

As soon as he were able to make him not employed, they made him not employed. When he was there in in Chicago, that one year, he was shooting 33% from three. Okay. There's a universe. Like the league average is like 35. 82 overall. I will go ice player. First year in New York, Josh Hart.

first year okay or even Josh Hart now no maybe he's a little bit less now Josh Hart now is about like 78 79 right it could be your it could be your favorite player but you really have to know his release

to get his job at his big Josh Hart 82 overall okay yeah that that makes that makes sense I could see what I'm thinking like on the same accord rookie year Kyle Kuzma that might be too much

Ricky or Kyle Kuzva I'm thinking like The second rocket stint Trevor Reza. Okay. Okay. I was like a 79. He wasn't, he couldn't dribble. That shot, though.

The shot plus the defense? 20-20. P.J. Tucker? 82? No. Too high? No. He's a really good defender.

No. Okay. Too much. Too much. That's too much. Too much. Yeah. He loves quarter three.

He's too much, man. Okay. Let me think about big men. What do you consider? 2021, Aton, and 82 overall? Sure. Or was he too good? Yeah, anywhere from like an 82 to an 84.

Okay. Aetton can get that. Aton's a good pull for 82 overall. Okay. I'm waiting to pick one of years. I'm waiting. 95. Listen, I'm pottering.

95. Ooh. 95. Who is the perfect 95? I'm thinking like Dwayne Wade. No, he's like at his peak? No, no, not Pete Duane, like 2013 Dwayne.

So like the needs were given out just a little bit but he still is Dwayne. Okay. I would say 2011 D. Rose like clearly looked like the best porn guard in league that year. He's not the best player, obviously, but... You know what?

I once again like his answer. D. Rose kind of is a perfect 95. That's fair. Okay. So who else is comparable to that degree? Are we going like 01 AI?

Mm. Yes, I like that. I like that. Okay. Two does one and all I've seen conversations. Are we thinking like pre-best player in the World Leap first MVP, Janus? Like 2019 Janus? Or is that a little higher?

No, he won't DPOI, too. Okay, yeah, you're right. Wait, I don't know if you won't. I think it was maybe a second one. I don't remember my mind is going to. Yeah, honestly, we've mentioned that lot. I get the wrong all the time. Okay.

But yeah, 95 is fine because that still, that still is like one of the five or six best players in the world. 2018 Anthony Davis. I don't know. He might have been like a 96th. Okay. He was a demon. Yeah.

But like he was like farming top three player in the world status on bad teams. Yeah. So like maybe if he had a little more scrutiny, he would have been like, oh, he can't playmaker or whatever. So I feel like 95 might be perfect. Is there a version of Dane that ever can be at like a 95? Bubble Dane, 2023 Dame? Oh, yeah.

23rd Dame is 95. That guy had, that was one of the most efficient guard scoring seasons of all time. no one talks about it. Yeah, that's perfect. He's a true 95. Okay, 93, 2003, Damien Lillard. Okay.

75 overall. I'm on the board, guys. Who's the perfect 75 for all? Nice average starter. Contavius Caldwell Pope is the most 75 for all player than ever 75 overall. Wizards Auto Porter Jr. 75 overall. Contavius.

2015 playoff Matthew Delvedova. Oh, yes. All his ratings were, fuck, yes. All his ratings from the 60s, but hustle was 99. It's some version of J. Crowder. Jay Crowder. Oh, Jay Crowder. Oh, 70.

Yeah, you're right. Jay Crowder, Tristan Thompson. Javelle McGee is 75 for all for life. No, not for life. Never mind. For the late 2010 to the early 2020, 70s, 75 for all. Yeah. Oh, that's good.

That's good. I love this. J. J. My favorite ones. Current day. Current day, 75 overall. Well, I'm getting major deja vu.

This is crazy. I've seen this all before Hunkers off his meds It's crazy 75 Right now in the league Perfect 75 overall I did I didn't need somebody who

I think's a job Oh okay someone who keeps a job Keeps a job in KCP Yeah KCP goes in 75 is Dennis Reuter 75 or is a little better He might be a little better Okay Yeah he actually

Actually no he might be a 75 I think whenever 2K does their, like, weekly update or whatever, if he's having a good week, we can get to 76, maybe 77 if he's, like, leading the team. But 75 feels very good for Denny. Is Kelly Ubrae too good for 75? I bet he's had a 75 of World Season? At this moment, he's pretty good right now. I like Kelly Ube.

He'll go 75. Tobias Harris. Okay. I'll go 78 for Tobias. Okay. Last one, 99. Right now it's in 75. Oh, Yokich.

Right now, Yolkich. O1, Shaq. Yeah. 2013 brawn better answers 93 Jordan yeah no hair code Jimmy Butler 99 for no reason sure let's see

mellow against the hornets on that one night yeah what are the most like temporary 99 overall 99 oh my goodness obviously bubble t j warren bubble donovan Mitchell bubble anthony davis 20 20 20 playoffs anthony davis was the most temporary 9 9 of all I've ever seen

he was best playing the world for the finals run I forget the specific day, but insert date here, Malachi Flynn, when he dropped on the fucking Hawks. God damn it. That was great. Also, that time that Luca dropped 73 on the Hawks, 99 overall. Does anyone versus the Hawks on a Wednesday night? Dude, I felt like I watched God when I watched Bubble Anthony Davis.

That felt like I was watching one of the best power forwards of all time. I was like, yo, has Tim Duck had ever been better than August 2020, Anthony Davis? The way that he was shooting from three, the way that he was the best mobile defender in the NBA, that was the most insane period of time. Some who used to be in 99 overall is way back then, Joel and beat on Twitter as a troll used to be just starting to beat. Oh, everybody on that moment or two,

first half of the season, 2024, Jewel and B before he got hurt when he was averaging like 36 and I won MVP, that was a 100 overall. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah, we got some crazy big small peaks at this decade. Kuzman back when he used to put that shit on with the with the Lakers when it comes to League Fit 99 overall.

Shea League Fitz is a forever 99 overall. Yep. Okay. Next thing we're going to do, this should be fun. I'm going to name an NBA team and I want you to tell me who is the greatest sidekick in this NBA team's history. So not their goat, not their most legendary moment player, the best sidekick for that team. Okay.

First off, Cleveland Cavaliers. I mean, Kyrie is the best sidekick. especially because they got they got a ring so you can you could say kairi uh if you want to say that they you know because of how it how it ended go old school go like mark price or something like that i think we go kairi i think kairi's moment is like the most quintessential modern nba sidekick moments yeah i agree someone just comes in does his job the hardest part of the job of course which is getting buckets can play defense here and there but when you lose at the end of day no one's ever talking about you as the reason why you lost and this is like the

perfect title for carrie irving on the calves being the most gifted sidekick we could imagine exactly he gets a lot of glaze a lot of hate in either direction he is the most elite sidekick you could imagine team number two Los Angeles Lakers think about all their legendary teams who is the best number two option it's funny because it really is it's 0-1 or 2000 to 2003 Kobe is the greatest sidekick of all time what about oh no no no no no no no it's it's a good one never mind no no no no no no it's it's a lot of Is there any argument for either Magic or Kareem? Because obviously these are all great players, all top 10 players of all time,

but who embodies psychic the most? I think that's- I don't think so because Magic ended up taking, like, they losing the finals in 84 and Magic is choking. He gets like that nickname of Tragic Johnson. And like, they're not doing that to the psychic like that. I definitely think that whole era of Kobe is remembered and some people like to discount him in all-time conversation

because they're like, yeah, you were the sidekick to Shaq. Yeah. Kind of crazy that Kobe is their greatest sidekick and then grew into their team goat, like having both periods. But yeah, he was probably the greatest sidekick of all time during that era. That's what makes people, that was what makes it harder to talk about Kobe and his overall legacy. And this is why we see people hell of overrate him at times and also underrate him.

See, this is what I'm talking about. This is exactly what I just said. Like he didn't come into game four. Shaq fouled out. What does he do? Tells everybody to calm down. I got it. Starts knocking down buckets.

I agree with you. Come on, man. read a book sometimes. Don't ask for 2004. Next up, Toronto Raptors. Greatest Kyle Ari. I would argue Fred Van Vleek. No.

Fred Van Vleet was going crazy. He was. But that wasn't even psychic. That was like supporting character. That's their greatest like man in the chair. He played. He played, he played his way into psychic. He was okay.

I think for me, Lowry. It's clearly Lowry. The greatest player of all time is their greatest sidekick of all time. Exactly. It's weird because back in 2015, 2017 or whatever, I felt like he was the best player compared to tomorrow's, even though DeMar would get all the late game shots and he would be the points for game leader and all that. Kyle Lauer was the fucking glue at team. He was their best player, but was also okay with being the psychic. That's what DeMarre needed to be as impactful as he could be. And then he gets to be an actual sidekick of Kauai. He is the perfect psychic. He was able to delegate and then be perfect for a position when it was

time to win a championship. Yeah, it's, it's definitely Kyle Lowry. Warriors. Steph. It's Kevin. It's Kevin. It's Kevin. Is it really Kevin? Who seemed to he go to? Who won the MVP? Who gave him the space to say you can come in here and win finals? I just look at points per game and I see he has more than him. So he is the best player. He's going to be, what are we a child?

So I think it might be Steph Curry, weirdly enough. It's, it's coming to right. It's either, it's either KD. The real answer is Raymond Green. Is Draymond or Clay? It's Jermon Green, by far. Draymond Green is the greatest psychic

in modern NBA history. Besides Kobe, might be the greatest psychic of all time. The way he compliments Steph Curry, you can have your little quibble back and forth. Who's better KD or Steph? Who's the glue that brings it together? Over Pippin?

Yeah, so I can't go with that, Dremont. He's more complimentary to bringing out the best of Steph than Pippin is to bring it out of the best of Jordan. Obviously, more, and he's probably better, but I think Dremont embodies a psychic more. He is better. He's better than Dremont. But Dremont embodies what a

psychic needs to do more. He lifts Steph Curry more than Pippin lifts Jordan, I think. I'm not sure. I'm not sure either. I've never thought about this a single second. But I think it's a whole new thought. Yeah, but I think so. Like, obviously Pippin's better and like, you know, everything of that sort, not going to

argue anything like that. Before a psychic, you want him to compliment your best player, cover up his weaknesses, allow his strengths to thrive. I don't think anybody's elevated a superstar better than Draymond. I think you can argue that with Pippin because you get to, because he's telling Jordan, I get to,

I have to cover your man, right? Like I'm covering the best wing. I'm allowing you to just go out here and drive the offense. You don't have to be a like pseudo playmaker. I can kind of handle that at the same time. That's why like Pippin, low key is doing all of the things that Dremont does.

Yeah, and he's better. So I mean, probably it's pepun, but I don't know, Dremont is. And it's like, I'll think a lot of players could do that for Jordan.

Is there anybody in the history of basketball? I don't know. It's hard to be a psychic and fucking twigrant. You know, I'm talking about the two of the grades. I'm not necessarily disparaging Pippin. But I don't know if there's anybody that's ever been so compliment. Like, Steph really got blessed with being with the perfect complimentary player in NBA history with Dremont. The what he can do as a passer, like the way he's perfectly suited for that.

Like, that's, it's really, really is peak complimentary. Yeah, it might be one and two. I'm not, I'm not going to give Dremont the night right now. I think I am going to go Pippen. but you got it. I don't know. Scotty, I,

Scott did also handle a good amount of playmaking as well too back then. Anyway, I'm sure he is a great. He is a great. He has six rings and he's better than Drummond. He is a great psychic. Miami Heat. Funny enough,

this is, this is Dwayne Wade. Another one where their greatest psychic is their goat. Yeah. Because this is, it's the, it's the Kyle Lorry thing of, I'm allowing you to delegate.

I'm delegating. We're not going to talk about how his knees were going, And how the bar just snatched it No, in 2011 they failed because of lack of delegation As one of the reasons Yeah, 2012 they came around and said, please take off My knees hurt, I need you to take more shots I choose to be a sidekick now

And they went dominant And he was not one of the greater Greatest sidekicks of all time too Because he kind of was forced to be so like you said Yeah, listen, he was quickly humbled and said I'm going to get out ahead of it before the knees breakdown I want you to take over the team Yeah

They load managed In 2013 They were starting that's sick to not play him yeah that's sick those needs are 10 years 10 years people get to year 10 so quick now yeah fucking devon bookers in year 11 that's insane bro imagine if they just started saying like yeah devon booker can you imagine he's not gonna play back to backs anymore i couldn't imagine that's happening to debunker fucking daron foxes damn near in year 10 well i can imagine it's fine because i'm watching joiling beat today next up boston celtics

Hmm All right So there's There's Kuzi Or actually was it Kuzzi No not really But like It's hard because those old teams

Have so many guys Yeah They had like four stars at the time Like is it Kuzi Is it like Kuzi is it Havlicek Is it so on Like parish

Like they had so many eras Of like different versions The second best player It changed But they always had three stars This is so hard Jalen Brown Welcome to the conversation

You got finals MVP You got it You got it You guys were there together for seven, eight years climbing this hill. I'm going to give you the nod. Also because I don't feel like going through anybody pre

191990. Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown, shout out to you. I guess so sidekick is tough. Like Kevin McHale's a sixth man. That was their second best player. It might have been him. Bro, you have. You can have legit four real conversations because they have the most elite sidekicks

of all time because within the team it kept changing. And especially like within the Bill Russell era, he's not a score like that. So everybody else can be that guy. J.B. Faith consistency and your hard work pays off. You know?

I guess I'll just pick Kevin McHale, but they had too many options to say. Who's to say? Next up. Oklahoma City Thunder. It's Russell Westbrook. Is it Russ? I think so.

They made one finals of Russ, obviously. I mean, there's a team that won a championship. It might be Jade up at this point. Jada won a championship as a sidekick. have anybody else I can say that. Yeah, Russ can't say he dropped fucking 40 in the finals. Never made an all-in-B-A-D. I don't know to parse that.

Like, it was like, obviously, Russ is more iconic as a sidekick than J-Ws. He made a finals, so he has something to his name. Yeah, but he filled in, like, admirably, when Katie went and got hurt. Yeah. But talking about, like, again, going back to the Dremont and Scotty Pivot conversation, what a true sidekick is and how you cover up the weaknesses for your superstar. He's a damn near just a good,

or a better playmaker than Shea. Obviously, he can scale up and guard two, threes, fours, sometimes even we've seen it last year, five's as well. He can be the primary leading score. Russ is a good sidekick, but he's not necessarily complimentary. I disagree. I think he might

compliment Kevin Durant offensively more than J.W. does shit. I don't know. Because early in his career, Katie wasn't a passer like that. Like, Russ as a lead playmaker really allow Katie to go out and get four straight scoring titles. I don't think, like, they just want 20 games without jdu like i don't think that shay really needs j dub plus they were they were also

like obviously they didn't get a ring they were still super successful they went to yeah they went to a finals they went to four conference finals or actually either four or six um but they did not go to six conference finals it might have been four in a six year span is okay is what i'm thinking wow since you'd be crazy to only make it out of one other one time we'd be talking about him being one and five in the car's finals that was the case that wasn't true but also i i i feel like it's there's lot of times when Russ was counterproductive as a sidekick and was doing too much forcefully. That really happened post-K-D though.

No, with, I'm on with KD too. Like a big talking narrative was like, oh my God, this guy's taking more shots than Prime KD. Like, well, that's just the media trying to put it. No, that's what's happening. That's just the media trying to put away between two black men who were best friends. They were taking

press conferences together. They were clearly brothers. Oh, my God. I think right now Russ is the greatest acting they ever had, mostly because of time played. Jado could get there, especially they rattled off more championships. You see what they do? Do they too? Next up, Denver Nuggets.

It's Jamal Murray. It has to be Jamal Murray. This is the most iconic era of Nuggets basketball by fucking far. And you will remember Yokic in this era of being his era and you're going to remember Jamal Murray as being his psychic. Yes, you are going to remember Jamal Murray coming off of a Yokic screen and taking a mid-range jumper. Like that is, that is what it is.

This entire era, this entire franchise, all of their success is built off of this two-man game between them two. For now until Aaron Gordon has something to say about it. until he goes four straight seasons, shooting 40% from three, winning another championship as a second best player on the team. The Hey,

me, you're going to last mother. Wait, they're winning a championship in the OKC era? Eventually, maybe. They might catch a year where Occcc gets three.

Are they eating on Shay's time? Never mind. Can't do it. They're going to let them happen. Now, they're going to play together until they're 50 years old after she wins 10 titles.

10 titles, is insane. San Antonio Spurs. Ooh. This is interesting because I see, I guess it would be Tony Parker because, just because Tony's like the starter and he was like. Yes, Tony Parker.

He did it. It's Tony Parker for sure. He won't a finals MVP, correct? He did. He did. One of final MVP, just, just think one singular win. He's able to, he's a great compliment for Tim Duncan because he's obviously like way more quick and get to a spots way easier. It's pretty hard to not give it to somebody who wins the finals.

It's a second option. Yeah, exactly. You kind of set yourself Jaila Brown Greatest sikicic is something We got it Sorry Kevin McHell Sorry Robert Parrish

Sorry Bob Coosy Sorry Paul Pierce We got his JV's time But yeah I think we'll go Tony Parker narrowly over Mono But they're honestly Co-Sycics Yeah

You really can't separate the two But then they went They won before Monter got there right Was Tony Parker there Or they went Yeah Because they had the one in 99

Yeah Oh neither one of them there yet right Not in 99 Okay So no mind Irrelevant Okay

Memphis Grizzlies Zeebo Well so who's the psychics Yeah who's the alpha Between Mike Connolly Zeebo And Markisole is the alpha I think Zipo is the alpha But Markisol is the best player

So what does that mean Who's a psychic? No I don't think Zbo is We're talking about alpha What are basketball No way If there's ever a time To have a conversation

Is the grit and grind I think So I think Mark I think Mark's the alpha And I think I think Mike Connolly is the sidekick in that situation over Zibo. Yeah, that's fair.

Zibo was the third best player on that team. So I guess like we're talking about basketball, yes. He's the spiritual alpha and like the one that everyone's going to say he's the vocal leader of the team, whatever. But I do think that that one in five combo, especially since they, since they outlasted everybody, I'm just going to look at those two. And I'll say Mark is the guy and Connolly's the sidekick. Clippers. Blake Griffin Do they even

I don't know I feel uncomfortable talking about the Clippers right now embarrassment No Paul George Love Disappointment Paul Dork for what Oh man Who's the greatest side peek in Clippers

The feds like Humiliation Kink Yeah I don't Basically Humiliation is their best sidekick No but humiliation kink isn't the sidekick That's the alpha in the Clippers Locker's locker room at all times That's their best player

All right, so It's got to be Blake Griffin It's Blake It's easy conversation Unless it's some old player That I'm not thinking of right now They didn't have They weren't on anything

Yeah for so long Before Lobb City Yeah Timberwolves Greatest sidekick This is bleak This is nasty work I know exactly what you're gonna say

Say it It's Rudy Gour bear I know This is too Comfort finals With Rudy Gover Who else has been a Sikeak on Timberwolves

For two conference finals Yeah this is the most up they've ever been in their fucking life, bro. Rudy Gaubert changed this franchise and broke-ass life. Literally. Yo, Rudy Gauber's... I hate you because you're right. It's not a debate. A sidekick, man. Wow.

He was hitting turnaround faders in game sevens in the playoffs. Yo, Rudy Fing at his jersey, retired by the T-Woles. How many years before Rudy Gaubert did the team ever have a top ten defense? It can't be that many. And they've done it every single year with Gaubert. That's all. Man, this is crazy. How many years

did Kevin Greyer lead him to the top ten defense? I couldn't tell you It probably wasn't that many Actually I don't know I'm pulling out of my ass Maybe maybe there was some Maybe there's plenty In the modern NBA

Like it really is Gobert It's Rudy man Damn What it What I do not like that At all it's Rudy Gober Not one bit Sometimes it's two thirds

But it's true It's true We gotta give it to the Frenchman And that's the last one Last thing we're gonna do Before the end of this very long episode We're gonna do a game We did

Several weeks ago We have to say the same NBA name. We start off by saying one, see if we're all in sync, figure out where to go from there, and see how long it takes us. All right.

This time let's do it. We only have 10 lives, so we really got to lock in. Ten lives, okay. We have 10 guesses to say the same NBA player. Okay. Oh, got a cat come up

making a guess appearance, just kind of climb. We get an extra life because of her. Well, we have one less. Nine lives. Okay. Okay. three two one

Clay Thompson Ah shit On the first one Bro you What the fuck I fumbled How did you just pick a name Is anybody

So you said Paul Pearson You say Clayton We got how you start Three two one Katie Davis What you say I said Rob Dealingham I say KG

Anthony Davis Rob Dealingham Okay Okay I feel like if we If we pulled the right strings We can get this mad early Okay Three two one

Two Duncan Oh, clearly it was Tim Duncan We said Janice I thought we're good You could have came to so easily You are the worst Oh man Janice and Duncan

Okay Wait who'd you say I said Janice Gotcha Three two one Dirk You said Dirk Yes

I should have said Dirk I should have said Dirk I should have said Dirk I should have said Dirk Okay Okay that's three lives We're on Big Man We're getting we're getting there

So who did you say last I said Joelle and Bede Juel and Bede Okay, I think I have a name. If we don't get this, I'm switching to my strategy. And I promise you we're going to burn lives after that. Three, two, one. Oh, you're done as fuck.

I'm not going to lie. You all sold me twice. I ain't allowed to you, man. I'm finally on bar. It's Dirk and Joel and B. You don't say Yokic? You said Charles Barkley. What's the association?

We have gone power forward for the last three. And we're off that. And we shifted to foreign guys, though. I will burn this to the ground. So foreign guys. So you said Charles Markley. We said Yolkich. Okay, damn.

Now we're square one. Okay, okay. We can get a little bit of both still. We can get a little bit of both still. Wait, where the fuck do we go from here? I think I don't. Similarities. Hey, man, just say names.

He won't an American. Just say names. Okay. Wait, I don't even know who to say. Actually, I already said Anthony Davis, right? Yep, you did. Three, two, one. Hakee.

Robinson. You said David Robinson. Yeah. Victor Woman Yama. Okay. I'm not going to lie. We got this now. We got this now, so nobody's sell.

Who did you say? I said, Hakeem. You said David Robinson. I said Victor Women Yama. We got this now. Okay. Three, two, one. Khrim.

Ah, Kareem. Piers of Shack. Why would Kareem be the follow-up? Who did you say? I said, Kareem. You said David Robinson, though. Like, okay, two, two Kulis. Okay, this is a pivot that I feel you guys aren't going to see coming, but it makes a lot of sense between two Kareemes and one shack.

Okay. You're going to accuse me of selling, but I'm right. three, two, one. Coles. Oh my fucking God, Isaac. You might be a nitwitz. You named two of the best Lakers. I'm not just accusing you of selling.

I'm charging you of selling. Okay, two Wilts, one Kobe. Okay, three, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I gotta get it for, wait, wait, so who'd you say? Kobe and you two said, Wiltz. I'm here. Whoa, man, man, I'm not here right now. No, man.

If one of y'all don't say this name. Gotcha. Okay, got to. Three, two, one. Magic. What did you say? I said Bill Russell. He said Jerry West.

I said magic. Fuck. We ran to all the Lakers. Fuck. Yeah, we're cooked. There's one more. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You need a big brain here, but we're talking about.

So you said, who said Jerry West? He said Jerry West. I said Magic. You said Will. You said Bill Russell. Okay. Three, two, one. Callie.

What did you say? Kobe. I already said Kobe. I already said Kobe. You said, I don't know why what's a James Worthy. I thought we were just going through historical. Oh, man. Yeah.

Hey, man, we're cooked. Jay's worthy, LeBron. And you said Bill Russell. Yeah. Okay. No, I said Kobe. I said Kobe. Okay.

Kobe LeBron. Three, two, one. Michael Jordan. Pippin? What the fuck would you say Pippin? You shouldn't have said nothing like me. He went way out east. Okay.

Hold on. You said Pippin. I said Jordan. If we don't get this now, we don't deserve to play the game ever again. Three, two, one. Rodman. What did you say? I was going to say LeBron.

I'm going to hit you with a hammer. Are you kidding me? We've already said these names. I think we're past 10. Yeah, we're just going now. We're dead, right. We both said Rodman. You said something stupid.

All right, let's go. Three, two, one. Stramon. What did you say? God, I said Scotty. But we've already said these names. Oh, my God. Okay.

Two Dramons, a Scotty Pitt. Tipin. Three, two, one, Curry. What the fuck? What did you say? You said, Rodman, I went, Ben Wallace, and you guys said Curry? You're so lost. I said Clay, because I thought we were going with psychics. Okay, you said Clay, I said Curry.

You said some nonsense. I said Ben Wallace, some that makes sense. We're way past that. You said Rodman. I said Clay. Go up. It's count it, count it. I said Curry, he said Clay.

Three, two, one. Graemeon. Are you paying attention? We already said Drayvonds. Oh my God. you guys are going to make me you said Kevin Grant's me I said KD

oh my God he's not paying that's wrong I'm laughing out of insanity just trying to keep my This is the worst TikTok of all time Okay who did you just say We both said Kevin Durant And you said who

I said who the fuck I didn't even say No I know you said Draymon Yeah okay we've said every name Associated with this There's one is there one I guess we said every name associate with the team besides one three wait hold on oh whoa whoa whoa we said every started one three did we yes said dray said clay okay we said them all every please every

important player on this team three two one iggy what did you just say to me said curry I saw I said did we and I'm trying to retrace wait did we say fucking curry I'm losing my goddamn I'm losing my fucking mind. We're ending this year. We'll be lost and we fell. We gave us so many chances. I can't believe the names you just said to me. We all folded, man.

You all had our moments. This is the worst run of all time. This is the worst run of all time. You said Iggy? It's over. It's been over. Can we spare it one more time? No.

Can we say that? No. We don't deserve the right. One more time. We don't deserve the opportunity. Three, two, one. Jordan Poole. Okay.

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