The Deep 3 Podcast - We Predicted EVERY NBA Award Winner! | Ep. 20

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

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As of last week, we were officially halfway through the NBA season, which is ridiculous to think about. It's flying by. I think today we should do our mid-season awards. What do y'all think? Let's get into it. Let's do it. Let's add a twist to it as well, TD3 style. Yeah, we're going to add a few awards that don't exist, like, most disappointing player in the league.

There's too much positivity award. We've got to get a little negative. Yeah, have to. Let's start with, there's some of them that aren't interesting at all this year, mostly rookie of the year and six men of the year. You don't want to get those other way and just get it out there? Yeah, let's do that. Who's the rookie of the year? Benedict Macquarie.

I'm just fucking around. Calabankara. Who's that guy? It's probably Benedict. Yeah, it's definitely Benedict. And Ivy's probably third. Yeah. Yeah.

So, like, for each award, we're going to go through our top three. But for that one, I think we should just throw that out there. Like, Palo Bancaro is obviously going to be Ricky the year. It was probably decided opening week when he was dropping 30 several times in the first few games of his career. Yeah. Not much to say there. We all think he's going to be great, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Orlando got one. One thing, though, I think Keegan Murray is third over Ivy for now, simply because I think the numbers look better, and also, like, he's playing not great defense, but a defense has improved over the year, and he's a big part of that offense.

Yeah, no, a really good team. I get it. If you value being a path on a good team, that does matter. Low-key, it might be Jalen Williams for the Thunder. Oh, my good. The forward one, not the big one, because they have two. J-dub. They call that boy J-dub.

He's nice. He's versatile. It kind of reminds me a little bit like Josh Hart in that mold. Isn't a great shooter yet, but you kind of see maybe eventually he will be a solid shooter. Yeah. He's going to be a good player for a long time. I don't know why, but it looks like he watches anime. Take that for what you will, but he just looks like one of those type of dudes.

It's because of his hair. Is that what a dude? Yeah. No shots of people who watch anime either. Anime's cool. My brother watched anime. I watch anime before. It was cool.

Yeah. Yeah, he's him. Yeah, Jay Deb's dope. Great call. Yeah. Is there any other rookies. Shout out while we're here. Wow to AJ Griffin

Walker Kessler Yeah Best shooter We're in sync Look at that He's been great lately Walker Kessor as well For sure

He's fucking phenomenal Had a 2020 Had a 2020 game on MLK day That sounds fake Also have you all Have y'all seen Exactly Have you all seen the theory

Of like every MOK day There's a white guy Who goes off And just like completely It's hilarious Bro Walker Kessler Had a 2020 game TJ McConnell had like

The game of his life On MLK day Oh What do you got 10 steals Was that last year? it was something like that but i remember that well no well no this year this year uh t j mccano he was like perfect from the field he was nine for nine in the first half oh wasn't i don't think i caught that yeah he went crazy he didn't miss a shot in the first half there's so many games

all day it should falls through the cracks in mokaday for me yeah yeah exactly bro sounds like the government interfere with that bro shoot him up some drugs or something like that NBA's up to some oh my god they over here drug testing john morant fucking six times a game or six times so far this season crazy. Yeah, that's funny. But, yeah, Walker Castle's been great. And it's so funny, given the irony of them trading Rudy Gobert and then Walker Kessler is looking great, or Rudy Go Bear is struggling in Minnesota.

It's just, it's a good time to be a jazz fan, surprisingly. Yeah, it's all down bad for the Timber Rules, bro. Let's get the other obvious one out of the way real quick in the first few minutes. Sixth Man of the Year, for this year, they might as well rename that bitch the Russell Westbrook Award because the voters are giving to him no matter what. Shout out to Russ, though. He's, listen, for all the, listen, he's going to walk away with some hardware, and, like, after last season, we, nobody thought anything good about Russell Westbrook. So he can get an award, kind of revive his career, you know, like, this is the best that you can ask for from Russell.

If you watch a game versus 76ers yesterday or maybe he's day before at this point, you still don't think anything good about Russell Westbrook because he lost in the game in the last play of the game. He got foul, though. He got foul. Yeah, I think he got foul. I don't think that was a bad play. It was just a terrible call. If it was anybody else, like if LeBron did. that and fucking he would have probably gone those two free throws but if i'm being robo he got hacked

yeah he did get foul for sure so yeah say that but also isoing joel and bade with the game on the line who do you think you are he got the one on james look at russ's track record he should have known that he was going to take that shit as soon as he saw joel that i did know it i did know as soon he got the rebound i was like i'll fuck we're going to lose but that's that was a personal matchup that was a personal matcher yeah well darvin ham should have called time out needless to say he's going to win six man the year who are some other candidates for y'all everyone was saying jordan pool before the year but he's been starting too many games so at this point he can't win it yeah we i think all of us thought that malcolm bragdon was gonna was gonna make kind of like the

jump the jumping he was going to get the award uh he's been hurt too though yeah i think like there's not really anybody out there that's has the that that has like a good combination of actually coming off the bench and actually been healthy better than matherin has that but he's a rookie and like you know he he's a rookie knows don't take him too seriously for that award and eventually I think he should listen I'm down playing the award because Russ is going to win it yeah but it wouldn't be crazy to suggest Benedict Mathrick should win it yeah he's gonna be second in Ricky the year and six man it's kind of crazy yeah his his efficiency has dipped down throughout the last like naturally season so far during the first 13 and eight games of the season shot like 45% from

or 46% from the field and 45% from three he was guns blazing and he set himself out to fucking fail and have the most amiable start to his NBA career by saying who was LeBron James or LeBron's going to have to prove to me that he's better than me some crazy shit like that and he came out swinging impressive

he's hard as hell hard as hell Foss Whoa Anyways so yeah we know who's gonna win six man of the year that's another easy one Another good shout out we should say

is Malik Monk who I think has been Hasn't his stats are pretty much the same as the war with the Lakers last year He has a similar six man type role Yeah But they're so good And I think he just played a large role In keeping their offensive float

When those bench units Because they usually do a good job Of keeping one of Fox or Sabonis On the court at all times But having him as a spark plug To come and play alongside those guys In the second unit Has been so valuable for them

Yeah I would have them For me it's either Malik Or Bobby Portis At that three spot Yeah another good pick Yeah so that's The only reason

The only reason to have him Put Bobby Portis in there Is his three point shooting Is kind of falling off a cliff this year And that's been like a big thing that's been holding the bucks back recently is they're shooting his ass and he's kind of played a part of that yeah yeah he's been great you still bobby yeah shout out shout out bobby yeah i'm the president listen i'm the president of bobby for this fan club if you want to join as you even yeah

listen bobby that's my guy that's my guy for real so shout out shout out bobby okay well let's move on to the wars that actually have some interesting conversation to him now that we got those two out the way yeah but before we do that i almost forgot if you're watching on youtube do us a favor drop a like subscribe if you're on apple podcast or spotify leave us a five-star rating leave a review all that follow us on twitter you see it on the screen right now all three of our handles follow us on instagram at the deep three podcast and there you go those are my obligatory shoutouts we are by all dms yep no we do we have people's vams like that yeah absolutely okay all right which award y'all want to do first i'm thinking most improved player low key

Most improved player Yeah That's an impressive That's an interesting Yeah let's do that Let's do that Because I want to see What you guys are

On this one Yeah Let's go through Third, second, first in order And give our top threes Let's give a little anticipation in here

Okay cool Who's third place For most improved player Donovan My third place I would put Tyree's Hallibur In that three Wow

Three I also have Tyre's Hallibor In a three I do too Fuck Okay Okay So why isn't he higher?

Because you could argue that he's going to be an all-star this year, probably. They're in the playoffs team. He's not going to be an all-star because I think he's been hurt for a minute now. And the patience haven't been excited. I don't know if he's going to be back by an all-star break. I could be wrong. But I think that's going to hurt his case a little bit. Okay.

Well, he's an all-star caliber. And if he was healthy, he'd be an all-star. So would that be in the case going from non-all-star to all-star, you'd think he'd be a little higher? So why is he third for y'all? What's holding him back? The other two guys are just, the other two. guys have just have they've had insane jumps in play yeah and so it's another like any of the year tyrese would probably get it but from the first from the next two guys that we're about to talk

about those are the ones that we really have to dive into facts i think it's also for me it's because end of last year when he got traded to the pacers we kind of saw the writing on the wall like we saw this level of play i think the last 15 games of the year whatever was he was averaging 20 and 10 so like i think everyone kind of knew that he was going to be that guy we're just coming to fruition over a bigger sample size now yeah for sure yeah but shout out him i think he's probably like the 20th best player in the NBA now which is incredibly impressive from what was he the 13th pick or something like that yeah exactly something like that yeah yeah people having him people doing redrafts and taking him number

number one overall in that 20th one yeah yeah that conversation is so impressive and nobody can refute that like even the thought of him going potentially number one at all whatsoever yeah i think i would do the same thing i don't think i would do it but like that conversation is very valid I think he so he's number three still the reason he's still on this list even though we knew he'd be this type of caliber player is because I don't think most people realize that he's most people don't realize now that he's legitimately an elite efficiency score 60% true shooting which is incredibly hard to do while especially with that fucked up ass shot man yeah you keep so you always like this is fucked up shot it's ugly but like who cares it goes in

a lot it is ugly it's it's very nice no I get it but like it's elite it's all right and also on top of that he's not only is he an elite efficiency 20 point per game score he's what this year he's been like the third fourth maybe fifth best passer in the NBA like he's legitimately top tier passer yeah definitely who do you have above him as a passer this year he'll bitch is the best passer alive yeah yeah yeah lucca number two I guess and after that it's all up for Bryce or Braun I don't it depends on what you value brown's been a scoring bad because he has Russ but Tyrese might be third that's crazy that's it is that's good that's that's That's crazy that he's really made that jump.

Yeah. Yeah, Hardin's been passing his ass off because he can't spoil like that no more. But Tyrese is in these convos. All right, cool. Yeah, so Tyrese is three for all of us. Okay. So who do you all have it to? First, before we get into that, is the top two, Shea, Gildes Alexander, and Larry Markening in some order?

Yes. In my opinion, yes. Yeah. Okay. Mo, who is second for you? Uh, so I have a weird feeling. Let me not do it that way. Let me not do that.

Okay. Let me not do that. reveal is the second place. Who is the most improved player in the NBA? Larry Markin. Ooh, you have Lowry first? Yeah. I hate, when you go back in history, like I said this earlier before in this podcast, I think,

and I just hate that we're giving most improved player of the year awards to players who are damn near about to be an MVP. Players, we expect them to be like, all right, he's... You expect his shade to be an MVP caliber player last year? I didn't expect them to be MVP Calder, but like, yo, top 10, top 10 vibes, he gave me that without a doubt. Top 10. Yeah, top 10.

Nobody expected that. Come on. You did not. No, I didn't expect it to happen this season, but sometimes throughout his career, I expected that. Okay. Okay. Here's the thing.

Obviously, I have Shea number one, and I don't even think it's that close for me. Because I didn't think Shay was going to be like this. I thought she would be a really good player. I think we all thought Shay was going to be eventually all-star level. Yeah. But he's like a top 15 player right now. Like, he's in the conversation for one of the best young players in the NBA. I didn't expect that coming into this year.

it was possible but I wouldn't have fucking predicted it yeah okay what about you moe I mean what about you Donovan you have Jay one no I don't I have Lowry one I'm giving I'm giving him most improved the the jump that we've seen from from Lowry and from Shea like efficiency wise like both their effective field goal percentage like all that all that's been going out their three point percentage have has also improved from Lowry even the best year that he had in Chicago. He's like seven points above what he was doing at his best. And for Shea, it's kind of the same thing as with Tyrese in that we always saw the shades or like the pieces that Shea had in his bag to become a really, really good volume score and be like a great, you know, foundational piece

for an offense. We didn't, we didn't know that Lowry had this in his bag. And last year he's playing probably like out of position at the three right in cleveland and and doing all this stuff and stuff and now to come into utah where nobody thought that anything that anything good was going to happen and the average 25 a night and do it and do it somewhat efficiently do it somewhat efficient damn near 50 40 90 are you kidding me yeah so so low low low yeah and the thing about that's what i'm going sGA is like ever since he played with chris paul every everyone saw that this dude got some shit in his bag and ever since then it's like success has been haunting him and we've been waiting for the entirety of the NBA to start putting eyes on him and actually

realize that and this is the first well I would say kind of last season as well I would say people have been giving him his flowers and acknowledging him for the talent that he is yeah and I get that you don't have that conversation like no one knew that success was haunting he had like two three years in Chicago that people were like okay maybe he has this to give him a chance and You know what I'm saying? But after what Jim Boyle stepped to step on the scene, it was rap's frame. It was wraps. No one even given him a chance.

I see what you mean. So y'all's perspective is that it's a bigger improving gap from being. Honestly, loki as scrub, draft flop, people would say, to being an all-star level player. Yes. And improving all your week. I get that. I'm going with Shay because while I agree, we all thought he'd be really good, we knew he'd be an all-star. It wasn't a consensus that he'd be one of the best players in the NBA.

Like that wasn't something everyone's like. like, oh yeah, this is the year, Shea becomes an MVP caliber, all NBA, first or second team caliber player. Like, that was, in some caliber, an unexpected jump. I can agree with that. That's fair. You know, people have this debate all the time on, like, what's the hardest jump to make? So, like, you know, some people will be like, Lucas should be most improved player because

he went from the 10th best player to arguably the best. That's a harder jump to make. I don't, I think at that high level, I don't necessarily describe to that, prescribed to that. But from here, I think it is a bigger jump when you're talking about a guy who was a really good promising player to immediately skipping all-star level and becoming straight all-NBA level. Yeah. That's really hard to do in one year.

That's cool. That's cool. I still think that it falls. Jop Jophe messed up the entire spirit of the award. He messed up the spirit of the award because everybody knows like John Morant was, you know, rookie. Number two overall pick. What are you doing? Yeah.

That's different. That's different. Shea wasn't that. It's a different for him. No, but we still knew that Shay was. was nice and I know that it wasn't as consensus as like like the support behind shea wasn't as it was behind jah but we know like she shouldn't be in this conversation right like the conversations the conversations that that normally surround this award are for younger players

people who make like big big jumps and score and again she's done all of that but he just he doesn't look like he's graduated from this conversation already yeah did you think going to this year that Shea go to us Alexander would be second team all NBA absolutely not a hundred you think he'd be close a hundred percent get the fuck out of him he's lying we made a TikTok where somebody gave us a hot take that he'd be an all-star and I think we all said maybe but probably not yeah now he's going to be an all-star starter probably yeah he's going to be all NBA in some capacity that's a huge jump like I see what you mean though I can't be mad at it because I have Larry seconds like it's

not a big not a big gap there yeah and if we're talking about Larry's case I I think the biggest thing is that there was a lot of reasons why he was a scrub, right? He couldn't use his size. He wasn't consistent as a shooter. There was just nothing that, you know, was above average about him. Yeah. And this year, like, all that's flipped. You said he averages 25 efficiently.

You can't do that by accident. You know what I mean? Like, he knows how to abuse people with his size now. He's a 41% three-point shooter. It's finally coming around and being more than a potential shooter. Yeah. And I think the most impressive thing about him is he does this without the ball in his hands, like, at all. Facts.

Like, he's almost entirely off-ball player. lethal cutter like he's just so incredibly easy to play with and speaking gospel right now i think our point make our point yeah yeah i get it i'm saying like contrarian wise i get why you say that i don't know just do you think he's going to win it over shay if you had to predict what voters are going to go yes i would i think that he will win it over say i think the voter will see for what he really is which is an all-emba player that sounded so negative no i know she's getting exposed this year I don't know why I feel like it's disrespectful to put Shay in this category like oh most approved player like he's been him he's like he

improved yeah yeah we might see it's a bit like we might see some over correction we might see some overcorrection the like outrage that happened around John winning the award and now we're gonna come back and probably do it to like what the traditional spirit of the award was okay exactly there's a two your second to ja what would you say who finished second to jae do you remember let me look that up that might have been the problem is that there was no great second person so like they gave it to the guy who became a star and for she there is a great second person who fits the building more so i can see that yeah that's a great question yeah i can't remember who finished second after

don't know why i don't have jalen brunson on your list why would i i don't know i mean jaylon munch has been great but like all right y'all y'all take y'all take a guess to see who finished second i can't even remember i don't know okay it's in the east or west and i'll guess all right well never never mind because he changed teams he changed teams so you're never gonna get it dejante murray finished second uh oh okay that makes sense yeah de jante was second darry's garland was third yeah that wasn't a good that's almost like the exact same conversation almost well no really jonte was never bust like larry i wouldn't say yeah that wasn't a good because zonte has always been good he tore his ACL and then he was slowly working his way and he

wasn't like a foregone conclusion and after darius garland he had a terrible working season and after that he was finding his way so in my mind i disagree with you on that i don't i think it's too completely it's two completely different scenarios and mip award this year is like an actual race compared to last season yeah you're right it is for sure okay okay well then i see it again i can't be mad at it either way it's going to be larry and chaise the top two i'm glad we all agree on that we're going to take a quick break from the show to tell you guys about the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online that's with underdog fantasy and it's super simple you can play on the app or you can play online and all you have to do is pick higher or lower on your

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Did we react to hot takes? No, I forgot to grab some. Oh, shit. Okay. I shouldn't have mentioned that. I wish we just all would have forgotten. You know, let me, no, while we're talking, I'll go pull some up because I know people love them.

Yeah. We'll do them at the end. I got you. Okay, cool. Right. Okay. But like I said, we were talking about the positively surprising player and most improved. Let's flip it and do one of our awards.

who is the most disappointing player in the NBA? Who's your third place, Donovan? Who? I do top three, like everything else. I do not. I do not. No. You know what?

Give me Rudy Gobert. Okay. Give me Gobert at three. I thought about that. I think that Gobert. And maybe it's just because my view is skewed from everything that Minnesota gave over him. But you finally think that he's going to go into Minnesota. And maybe take another leap.

Maybe do something else, you know, with his career, you know, expand his bag a little bit. And it just hasn't been there with him this year. And Minnesota's defense, normally you have Rudy Gaubert on your team. That's a walking top five, top three defense. That hasn't been the case this year. Even with Cat out and they've been able to play more of like a traditional Rudy Gobert style of defense, that hasn't been the case. And so I think Rudy will probably be three for me.

That makes sense I thought about him At the end of the day I didn't put on my list Because I think He's not a worst player now The fit is horrible there And he is playing like shit lately

Like he actually like Originally I think it wasn't his fault But like I don't know the vibes are getting to him Or what But he's not been playing like Really lately It just seems like

Maybe it's effort level Maybe it's fit Just scheme wise I don't know exactly what it is I don't watch him close enough Yeah But he has been up to par So I see why you put him there

What about you Mo? Who's your third? Absolutely So third I have Trey Young For obvious reasons um yeah i don't think he's been bad enough to be number one because as of late over the last 10 goddamn games he's been averaging 27 shooting 45% from the field and 40 from 3 so he's

finding his way back but the hawks are still asking so has terrible tendencies and if you're going to be the best player on a team i'm not going to say the hawks are a championship of the team but on a playoff team you have to show more effort on defense there's literally zero excuse to try to carry the insane load that he tries to carry he runs he runs he dribbles the ball a little bit too much. It doesn't make quick passes. Just the obvious things. And then there's like,

there's just a lot of baggage that the Hawks have had since last year. Any type of Hawks talk gets Moe in his bag and I hate you so much. Let it out. Keep going. Keep going. Let it out. You always set me up for this, all right? But there's just so much baggage that carried on from last year news coming out.

People are saying trades a bad leader and people are feeling these types of way about it. I don't, I don't buy into any of that. When I'm just straight up basketball, he's not. not playing as efficiently as he was overall a couple years ago. I don't a couple of years away last year and this season before that. So he's definitely there. And his efficiency is disgusting too. Yeah, his efficiency is down for sure.

I think it's just a cold shooting year. So I'm not caring too much about that. Yeah. But it is the fact that shots aren't going, let me put it this way. When people go on cold streaks, a lot of times it doesn't tell you much because, like I said, it's just a cold streak. With a big sample size of an 82 game season, hot streaks happen, cold streaks happen. But what it does do is it highlights a player's. weaknesses because you don't have the implicit bias in your head of seeing shots go in.

And I think it's really exposed to people this year that, one, his defense is untenable. It's a bigger deal than people realize. And two, people always put him in the convo is one of the best passers in the NBA. I've never thought to be the case. I think he's one of the best assist makers in the NBA. He's good at manufacturing assists for himself. But he's not a high-level playmaker like some of these other guys are. Wow, I disagree with that.

No, he's a high-level playmaker. He can pass the ball real well. He creates shots for others. But you ever heard people say that, like, he's almost like a stat-chase. here with a sys? Yeah, that's my thing. There's two types of passers in the NBA, and right now this season,

Trey Young is playing like a reactive pastor instead of a proactive passer. Exactly, that's what I mean. That's precisely what I mean. And I think the fact that we're not seeing the shots go in kind of highlights that because if Yokic goes on a spree where he misses, he shoots 20% from three for a month and can't make a layup, he's still going to be just dicing people up his passing, creating offense flowing through him.

Trey isn't that type of playmaker. He's not lifting the tie like a lot of people that are. Yeah, he's just been so ass. this season. I'm disgusting like any trade I'm just dead in the water, bro, for me so far this is. He's been turning around lately just a little bit. He has

glimpses, but I'm next. What's next? What do you guys have at two? Do you guys have at two four years? Well, I didn't give you my three. I didn't even my three. Oh yeah, who's your three? My three is Christopher Emmanuel Paul the third. Oh, that's a good thing. I forgot he exists, dude. I couldn't put him higher than three because it's not his fault.

He's just old as fuck. He's a pretty old man. He sucks. He's old as hell. They were the two seed when Devin Booker was healthy. Devin Booker was playing like an MVP. He went hurt. I think he went hurt. He went out with an injury. They fell to the 12 seed.

Damn. Can't do anything to hold that team up. He can't get by anybody. Can't create his own shot. He's still making his jump shots, but he's not creating bending defenses at all to create for others anymore. He just lost it. He's just zapped. Are you telling me that vegan diet is not working anymore?

Now when you hit 39, I guess. It ran out. Damn, bro. Sheesh It's like to see it Because we knew It was coming eventually Right

Yeah But this felt kind of like It was a harsh fault Not like he didn't like For sure That's how it happens That's how it happens A lot of times

Like LeBron has tricked everybody And he He really has skewed Everybody's perception Of like what aging Is supposed to look like Most of the times Most of the times

When it goes It goes And we're like I was saying We're seeing that with Chris Yeah So I'm not gonna harp on too much because it's now like Trey Young

is a reason to pick apart his game and be like oh maybe he tricked y'all Chris Paul ain't trick anybody he's just old

yeah exactly not too much on him I guess yeah I want to know what y'all guys got at two me too

donovan who's your number two y'all gonna laugh at my two I have PJ Tucker at two that's a good pick I have PJ PJ Tucker sucks man

he's he's straight cardio straight cardio run it up literally every single night he is putting himself in the conversation to have one of them Tony Snell stat lines where he had zero rebound, zero points, just, just trap, right? If all he's, all he's supposed to do is run, play defense, and shoot threes. And he's not even taking threes.

It's not, it would be something different if he forgot how to shoot, but he's still like, he's still taking three, so people still have to respect him, taking that three, taking that corner three, you can still set up the offense a little bit. He doesn't do anything on offense. He doesn't want to take three. Yep. And so, and so, like, that in itself boggs down of a Sixers offense that already is a little bit clunky with Hardin and, and Embed and Maxine trying to figure out all of that. The shooting right there is messed up.

Secondly, on defense, if you're trying to, if you're trying to stop him, right, any star player can go up against PJ Tucker, they're going to get 35, right? Like, that's going to happen. He's not even making them work. I think at this point, I think at this point, star players like to play against, against PJ Tucker, because they know, they know, he's going to use all six fouls. They're going to get 12 free throws in a game that they play against PJ Tucker. I don't think that he's providing anything for the six years. I really, I really, really don't.

They should have made a move. They should have made a move. And if I was James Harden, I would be livid. I gave up $15 million so that you can come here, right? And for Daniel House. Who doesn't even play? He's worth the left or nothing. They both suck.

But I gave a 15... He got tampering charges for Daniel House. He doesn't play. The Sixers gave up draft picks. James Honey gave up $15 million in a state where there are state taxes. I would be livid. And if I was James Hard, if I was James Harder after this season, if PJ Tucker is not there, I would not be happier. PJ Tucker is trashed this year.

And so he's number two. I, yeah. Man. Okay. Who's your number two, Mo? Man, he was passionate about that. I never seen anybody. You have two jobs.

You have two, like, if you're a role player, if you're a role player like P.J. Tucker, you know exactly. You've made this name for yourself for the past five years because you've probably been over the hill. And you've been playing with James Hardin. You've played with James Hardin for years. You know what you have to do. And you're not even trying to do it. Yeah. Yeah, man.

It's frustrating. Crazy. PJ Tucker's easily all NBA. He tricked y'all. He's like, you're a hall of favor at this point. But see, but he's like, Chris Paul. Oh, he didn't trick you. He's just old as fuck.

He just fell off. Prong of PJ was raw, but he's just old as shit now. All right. You know who is all NBA first team? He tricked y'all. It's easily has to be R.J. Barrett. Like, I am sorry, but he has to be catching even more strays, bro, because the Knicks went ahead, cashed out on a fucking whole new point guard, you know.

RJ Barrett has been able to get away and slide because, you know, New York just is. a fucked up overall system having had a good point guard in a minute uh rosters finicky they don't really have players i would say on it because it's a basically cater to r j bear it's a game and then you have like the volatility of julius randall and you don't know what the fuck is going on in his mind and how he's going to play every every single night he's like hey okay julius has been you can harp on you can harp on one nick player at a time julius randle has been better over the last 10 15 games and he's been hooping you stick to rj for sure but you draft RJ Barrett to go ahead and be the guy of your franchise and he's just been like consistently

mid every single year not any better and I would I wouldn't say not this any worse either and so at this point he's just like an overall disappointment and the only hope in my mind for RJ Barrett is if he goes into his Andrew Wiggins career arc where he goes into a completely different team and he's assigned a specific role but even then I'm not sure if he can do something similar to art to what Andrew wiggins did to revive his career so he's been extremely disappointing this is a player like rudigalbert that i didn't want to put because not like rudigabere like the hawks we're talking about disappointing teams i don't want to put on there because i already thought low of this player yeah i've been saying since last year r j bear is below average or at best average at everything there's nothing he does

better than a replacement level player yeah the only reason people have hope for him i gave him max money is because he's a young player in new york and people love their young players facts it's all promise and we're in year what five now or four and there's been none of it delivered i don't see why there's any reason to believe in rj bare at this point yeah i got it yeah i got that was my two i need to hear y'all can't shoot can dribble can't finish can defend a little bit i guess can pass like what do you look he sent the game he sent the game into overtime when he against the against the rafters he came back making clutch free throws you just got to give him time it's a lot of listen he's young i named five things

he can't do that are incredibly important. He made a couple freetos once. He's young. He's young. We give a whole bunch of other young guys. Listen, he could be like library marketing and eventually get most improved. You know what I'm saying? It's just going to take time.

It's just going to take time. Okay. Young boy. Different. Great. Great. So is Poku. I'm not giving him a max contract. He's young and shit.

I'm dead. Damn. He used Pocu and RJ. That's messed up. That's crazy. Hey, I might get Poku with my team faster than RJ for the price points. it's a negative contract all right all right who's your guy

who's your guy he's dragging it I was getting jokes off at this point one player I got to say Jalen Green coming into the season people were telling me Jalen Green is going to have the Star Elite beat his next up and coming

dynamic guard he still might be but this year he hasn't shown it at all his scoring volumes up his efficiencies down he isn't doing anything anything to lift that team above he isn't doing anything to make his teammates better that team is an embarrassment and i think it starts at him facts he's playing he's playing in la fitness brand of basketball right now facts the whole team is it's fucking disgusting it's awful i do keb first of all stephen silas is going to get fired after this year so that's why he's likely so um kevin porter

junior is the most julian newman point guard i've ever seen him oh my goodness straight up is comes down, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, all the time. The whole team can't make free throws. I, Isaac, I'm 100% in agreement with you here. Jalen Green, because he finished the season last year. Strong. Strong. He was, he was

scoring efficiently. He was scoring 30 every other night. He pieced up the Lakers on national TV. Like, that was a really big moment for him. And it was just like, yeah, I had to thought that. Everybody was getting their next up home. I had to thought that in. But, yeah, I agree. I agree. Jalen Green should

be much better than he is right now. And they're all playing his basketball. And it's not all his fault either. Like you said, Stephen Silas is fired as fuck. He's installed no sort of scheme into that team. He does not deserve to have a job. So that is hurt Julian. So that's hurt Jalen's development. So I'm not writing him off, but

in terms of making a leap and what you want to see from a second year number two overall pick, incredibly disappointing. Jalen Green went through his first NBA season with all the VC in the world, said, fuck, staying in the gym. I'm going to go ahead and cash out on this V. and tattooed get tattooed all the way up everywhere.

God, damn, this is the tropes, man. His offensive consistency and shot IQ stats are 25. Yeah, bro. It's disgusting. You didn't upgrade those ones. I tell you that. Yeah, it's disgusting. It's tragic, man. Free Jalen, man. Free the whole raucous organization from the grips of Stephen Silas and Rockett Stone. Free Sangoon.

Let's say it. Free Sangoon, please. Every player that plays him, it's so funny. In the media, after every game, they ask the opposing players about the team, and they're all like, yeah, man, they're young because they fuck suck but the first thing they always say positive is singoon is him they need to give him the ball more facts silas doesn't agree yeah bro you got fucking a two time maybe soon to be three time MVP fucking yokech giving him his applaud and saying like they should go ahead and play

through this man every like bro it just madness to me it just madness to me bro all right who is who has been the most disappointing player in the NBA this season who's number one benzman oh all right you you go you go tell why ben simmons i put ben simmons as well oh okay oh you're you're ben simmons so yeah ben simmons it has to be look man he did not well hold on well hold on i since you guys are in agreement i'm i'm gonna give mine and then we'll and then we'll go into ben i'm gonna spin the block

i'm gonna spin the block a little bit chris paul's the most disappointing player in the leadership yeah even wait on this i'm i'm gonna spend the block chris paul is so trash he's so trash bro he listen last year last year chris paul in terms of guards according to cleaning the glass was in the 82nd percentile an effective field goal percentage this year 41st at the rim at the rim this this drop is crazy at the rim last year 80th percentile in rim scoring that means he was better than 80 percent of the league this year he's in the fifth percentile at the world hearts

that's crazy the old man like one or two players in NBA that's insane the old man cannot finish at the rim

he's trash like you said the sons could not even stay afloat when Devin Booker went out and if there was any case for Devin Booker to win MVP

you look at that team in Phoenix and you look at Chris Paul and what he has not been able to accomplish and that is what it is you know what I'm hearing you know what I'm hearing

Donovan what's up Wong Don't He's going to be with Dwight Howard and Taiwan. He's trash. He's trashed. He's going to have the Harlem Globetrotters. She's been playing the Crater League, H.O.H. Crater League.

H.O.H. Crater League. Sign him up right now. Oh, shit. This time. He needs to go coach his kids team or something. This is over. It's over. It's over for Christmas. Oh, man. Yeah. He doesn't play in the OTE. Oh, T's crazy Oh shit man We did him and Julian Newman in a cage match Oh my god Slam ball

Hell That's crazy That was crazy No he's wise He's done Suns fans are in purgatory When Dave Damien Lee is one of your best guards

It's how you know the season is Rastrow You never had a chance Ever since ever since you've seen Chris go ahead and take that major decline and Devin Booker having injury issues and one guy who's supposed to be you know steady and sale bro it's tough bro listen the highlight of Chris Paul's season was the fact that Kanye said that he got with Kim Kay that's that's been that's been the best part of this year yeah easy so um back to Ben Simmons bitch ass yeah this man is what a transition what a transition

kidding but i'm a ben simmons defender i have been all year i wanted to put him too because we didn't give him some time he missed a whole year and we didn't extend to him the graces we extend to people like jemal murray but man he's been back for a while he is scared to shoot his confidence is shot it's so clear it's a mental game with him like it always has been yeah but it's a hit a new level he went like 12 games without shooting a without making a single free throw you know what fucking nuts that is he was over a 12 game span how do you even do you even that as a non-shooter. Bro.

When you try to not do that. You have to try to not do that. His defense hasn't been as great as it was pre-injury. His playmaking is good, but when you don't have any scoring threat, your playmaking only teaches so far because you're not bending the defense at all. So passing is really only useful in transition. Yeah. Man.

When I was watching the Boston Celtics game versus the Nets, obviously, and that was when Katie was hurt or whatever, Nets were pretty much in it the entire game. And Ben Simmons was having a fantastic first half. I think he put up like 9 or 10 assists or something like something crazy like that in the first half Hooping and he had zero points and then he ended up finishing the game with zero points and that was absolutely disgusting it's like so disappointing and it hurts because you see the potential you see like random flashes when he's what could be running up to court and he dishes the ball out and he gets a teammate an easy open pass for a layup that you didn't know that was fucking over

bro and there's other plays where he like completely kills the offense when he passes the ball way too fucking early prematurely as if like he thinks that he might have an opportunity score he's like uh-uh i can't do the shit he just passed it off bro it's just he just holds he's holding back the entire brooklyn that's roster when he's when he has this mindset out there the problem is too we saw like a six-game span before he heard his knee a few weeks ago where he was coming together he was looking good he was scoring like i think 12 points per game over that span and like looking like a little bit like Ben Simmons we used to know so we know what's there that's the problem is that like he can get there it's just about unlocking that probably mentally yeah so it's like

jalen green where I'm not going to write him off it's not over for Ben Simmons like some people might act but you have to admit he's been disappointing as fuck this year no matter how you want to spin it he no it's yeah it's disappointing he especially now that they Kevin is out and and and Kyrie is like in and out of the lineup every every once in a while this is the time where Ben Simmons really needs to take take the step right like they are I think Brooklyn is very invested I think Brooklyn is as invested as like a second team that acquires you will be in the success of Ben Simmons 30 million dollars per year invested they got to be exactly so like they want they want it to work out they want him to do well and we're just

we're just not seeing it I don't know I think that I'm more on the side of Ben Simmons will never get back to the level that he was i think we're done seeing that i think we're done seeing that ben simmons and now we're just going to try and force him into this draymond role where like okay if you can if you can just defend a little bit better if you can make if you can just make these passes like it's okay if you don't shoot which is kind of okay if you have kevin duran and kri irvin especially the way that kd's playing but i don't i don't know i don't know i think i think i'm out of Maybe all-star Ben Simmons is gone, but I don't think useful player Ben Simmons is gone. Like, remember a few years ago when Thad Young was really good and like a high level

role player. Oh, man. He can be a supercharged. He can be a supercharged dad young. We're comparing him to Thad Young. That's the level we're at right now. It's like as of the years ago on, that young was nice. He was nice.

He had that historical graphic where he's up there with LeBron and Larry Burr. You know what I'm saying? That was funny. Yeah. The most cherry pig stack of all time. Yeah. I know, that's hilarious. It's like every single year, the bargain's lower and lower and lower for Ben Simmons.

First, it was LeBron. Always on LeBron. Oh, he's not Magic Johnson. No, he's not Magic Johnson. Maybe he can be like fucking Janus. Always not Janus. Now you're comparing with Thaddeus Young. God damn.

Who is next? Who is next? Who is next? When does it end? Yes. Just a constant cycle of disappointment. Yeah. Maybe he can be the nassus onto the cumbos.

I don't know. Maybe he can be. energy got on the bench. Oh my God. Yeah, but yeah. We've got to harp on them too much longer. I'm hopeful that a useful player will be brought out of this husk that has Ben Simmons right now, but it's not looking good.

Yeah. So we're already at 43 minutes. We're already taking a lot of time. Let's go through coach of the year. Let's go through this one pretty quick. Oh, man. I only have one contestant out there. I couldn't really come up with two other who, like, jumped out off top of my head.

Okay. Well, I'll say my third. place first yeah third place willie green that's a great pick okay yeah willie green's been nice

yeah they've they've been so injured they haven't had all their pieces for more than like five games the whole season yeah but to the three seat I think right now or maybe they dropped a four I can't remember but they're in the top tier

in the west which a lot of people knew they'd be a good team they have all these players but the pieces don't fit entirely right together like you would hope there's a lot of ball handlers not a lot of connective players

but it doesn't matter it's worked incredibly well they've been somehow a pretty good top defense, top 10 for most of the year, despite having like three above average defensive players you would think on paper. Yeah. It's honestly been a coaching masterclass from him. I agree.

I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree in my third spot as well. I had him winning the award. I know. I had him preseason winning the award.

I think when Zion comes back, if they can make a push up to, up to get, um, guy, I can't talk. If they can make a push back to the number one seed, I can make him make, I can see him making a run towards the top spot. but yeah i think three is good for right now i said i got two i don't got two okay who's the who's two so number two i got jock vaughan for other brockland

he's been bro you couldn't ask for head coach through one of the most not the one of them they're the most turmoil ridden just janky ass broke ass team organization in the last two years just ratchet right just a nasty organization Nothing but bad, poor vibes.

And for an interim coach to go ahead and just, like, turn things around within the first, like, 10 games, it's fucking crazy. It's crazy. It's the biggest in-season turnaround we've maybe ever seen an NBA history, or at least modern NBA history. To go from your pure dysfunction, both your stars are about to get traded, you're the worst, one of the worst teams in the conference, despite having two superstars, and you come in and make them just entirely competent in every way. fulfilling their potential, it's some crazy. It's incredible. Yeah, man. Donovan, you didn't say anything. Did you have him number one? I do. I do. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've

Jack Vaughn as my coach of the year for everything that. I feel that. That's fair. For everything, guys, like, even, even in the off season, everything that the Nets were, we're going through. They've been, they were nothing but turmoil for four months. And for, and for them to come out and have the worst defense in the league. And now the top 10. Crazy. And now, now they're top 10 defensively, right? For them to be, to start off the season, like 2 and 8.

And they're the two seed in the Eastern Conference. They're one of the, they're one of the four or five teams. I think there's only four teams in the league. But they're one of the three teams in the league that have a winning record, like a good winning record on the road. That's nuts. There's only, there's only three teams that are more, that are like three games or better on, I guess like over 500 on the road.

It's the Celtics, the Nets, and the Knicks. And the nets are doing it. So I think that what Josh Vaughn has done is unprecedented. I think it's amazing. And I think he deserves all the credit in the world because he is, he has, he was the, the factor that turned everything around. Okay. I agree.

The only reason I have number two, not one is because for one, I have Joe Missoula. Partially because he was my pick before the season started. I told you all he was going to win. I told you all the Celtics are going to be the one seed. I've been right so far so I'm going to rock with it I gotta be consistent They had

We're talking about turmoil With the fucking nets The Celtics had to fire their coach Because of interpersonal relations That haven't been disclosed to the public But can't be good Because they had to suspend them For a whole year

Yeah Everything's floating over you Right after you make your deepest run Of this course history You make it to the finals And then it implodes Because your coach is out here Messing around with staffers

That's a lot of drama To deal with as an interim coach And he came in and they haven't missed a beat. They're the best offense in the NBA, the best team in the NBA. He's made actual changes, making their offense more modern

that have been good. I don't know how he doesn't get it. No, I definitely think Joch Vaughn is ahead of Joel Mozilla, even though everything you're saying, I can't refute at all, but in terms of just like having such a slow start, the nets were down there with the fucking Lakers

in terms of like, they're spounding the panic button two weeks into the season. And he had to upclim this nasty slope. And before they even thought of Jacques Vaughan as becoming the head coach, they mentioned, oh boy, Ime, you doke ahead of him. So it's like, if I'm Jacques Vaughan, I'm like, bro, fuck this team, fuck this organization. Who the hell do they think he is, bro? Who do you think I am, bro?

And I understand it because they have tied. They had ties to him recently. But having your higher ups, so just him, the dude who was in one of the craziest controversies as the head coach that we've seen over the last few years ahead of you is crazy. bro and for him to just like act like it ain't none turn around everything like and then to be honest i think the net sort of probably passed up the boston celtic of kd was healthy it's nuts bro it's nuts and they're number two in the in the in the east that's great do you have jockevah number one no i don't have a number one i should have had a number one i regret my list right now i had him number two okay so who's one uh let me guess let me guess yeah taylor jenkins yeah i knew it okay tell us

about it. Yeah, Taylor Jenkins, I feel like the rookie, the coach of the year award, it's such a weird award because like, I feel like you have to have, I don't know, it's such a weird award. I feel like Taylor Jenkins over the last few years has done a fucking fantastic job and he deserves one

on his track record and I feel like why delayed any, any, any more. With what he's done with the Memphis Grizzlies and how he has them, that camaraderie, I'm not going to give him all the credit, but he had something to do with it. And in terms of it's like, X's and O, simple game plans.

It doesn't matter who the fuck is in or out of the lineup. We're going to be hooping, bro. It's just phenomenal. I just love everything that he does for me. That's fair. He's like inverse Steve Nash. Steve Nash curated the worst vibes in human history. Yeah.

Taylor Jenkins is just a good guy, I guess. It's nice to play for it. Elite vibes all the time. Yeah, exactly. He's just dope. Exactly. And I also love just how much trust in faith he has in all of the Gridsiesies young player, regardless of it's like Salty Aldama or Zaire Williams.

I think I said I think his last name David Roddy yeah David Roddy like it's just phenomenal bro P yeah David Wright sucks at basketball right now what's up you said who

never mind should Hayden a little bit keep going he had a good stretch he had a good stretch yeah you're right Taylor Jenkins definitely deserves to be in this conversation I like that thing

I'm not roaring for him though I'm not boring for him I definitely would roar for jockbon now I don't think of it so you have jockbon one now yeah jacobon one yeah jacobon one then I got Taylor James, too, and I'd put Joe Missoula at three.

Okay, that's fair. Yeah. Willie Green's on the outside looking hands. Tough. Yeah, shout out to Willie. He's so nice, but goddamn. I know. All right, well, let's go to a defensive player of the year now.

I think this is another interesting one. I don't know if we need to go top three. Okay, let's go top three. Who is in third place for defensive player of the year for you guys? For my three? My three, I have Brooke Lopez at three. Okay. He fell to three.

Okay. I know early in the year, everyone kind of had him at one. Why do you fall to three? He fell to three, and it's really because I just like the other two guys a little bit more. Brooke is still, he's still the Lynch fan. But also, the more that I think about it, I think being able to have Janus as your running mate in terms of, like, setting up a defensive infrastructure is a major, major advantage. And so he doesn't have to, like, carry the load of some of the other guys that we're about to talk about. but listen brook is still him defensively um so yeah so i that's great um so yeah so yeah i've i brooket three

and i had brick at two okay so for the same reasons i think my three guys probably your two guys so not a big difference i could probably be convinced to put book at three so other guy let's go ahead and let it out the other guy's nick clackston right nick claxon right yes there we go yeah yeah where do you guys have nick claxon i got nick two two two Okay, I had him at three. Tell me why he should be ahead of Brick Lopez. Nick Claxton has, along with Jacques Vaughn, Nick Claxton has carried the Nets defense,

and he has been the anchor of the Nets defense. We talked about it. They started the year with the worst defense in the league. It was them and the Pistons in terms of defensive rating. They were trash, and Nick Claxon has elevated himself to a point to where the Nets are now top ten in defense. He gets, he's among the league.

leaders and blocks he affects a lot of shots he's very he's very mobile he can do a lot of things i think that what he's doing with with the with the squad that isn't thought about as defensive stoppers right like even though that kd's playing amazing on defense and he's really giving a lot of effort you don't think of of karee as a defender you don't think of joe harris set set kerry these types of guys just defenders and for them to still be one of the better defenses in the league in the top third i think what clax is doing is amazing yeah okay yeah i can't repeat honestly i think i agree i think i put him above brook and the more i think about it the point of him not having a yonness kind of that sways me yeah yeah absolutely and i think easily one of the

i think one of the three most valuable things to have on any like championship level or just elite level basketball team is a big who can do two things at once whether it be defend at the rim or defend on the perimeter bat and having the ability to dance with any guard that switches on to you and I'll be absolutely cooked. There's not a lot of people, not a lot of centers who can do that in the NBA and Nick Clackson does it, he does, he's one of the three best big men defenders in my mind on the perimeter, you know? I can see that.

I don't know if I'm the top three, but I can see that. The trend of that is going to uptick and go and centers like him are going to, their values going to skyrocket and he's going to get a, uh, a surprising bad. back once his time's up It's interesting with him because you could tell that He grew up playing a guard Then he grew at the last second So he had to play big

It makes total sense Like he moves like a guard His mobility is great Like it's cool On the one hand That pro is also outweighed by He's not like the interior stopper Like he's not stopping Juelan B

Which nobody is But he's not like rotating And stopping Zion He's doing the best shot he can with his frame So I can see why he's up here But there is pros and cons With that quickness and lightness he has Absolutely

Okay, I think we all agree Those are number two and three Yeah, so assuming we got a clean-sleeping one If the season ended today Who would be defense player of the year? It's a clean-sweeping one We got Jaron Jackson Jr. Yes, yep, Jaron Jackson Jr. easily

Same. Yeah. It's a long time coming. He's been, as soon as he was drafted He was proclaimed to be the next great NBA defender It took him a few years to put it all together Because he was fouling too much Yeah.

He's putting it all together this year. Absolutely, bro, yeah. I remember when he was drafted, he was getting comparisons to surge E. Baca and I would even disagree with those comparisons because just how mobile he was again and the difference between him and Nick Claxton is because Jared Jackson Jr. is a fucking big ass body.

He's sturdy. He put on so much weight over the time of his short NBA career and now he can do it from literally everywhere on the court and it doesn't matter what position and I don't want to say what player but for the whole start like you're not shitting your pants whenever he's guarding your one through five. Someone who's underrated also probably should have been on this is maybe

bam out of bio. not only think about it too I had him three originally but knocked him off for Claxton The only reason he's not there is because he or the eighth defense right now They're not like elite defense Like they once were

But bam in terms of skill is obviously top three I think Yeah for sure for sure But I think the reason Jaron's number one By far Early season we were talking about the Grizzlies We were like how do they forget To play defense

Their defense and police fell off He came back after missing his first month This season incredible He's averaging 3.3 blocks per game The Grizzlies are number one In defensive rating now To go from that big of a swing because a one player came back is ridiculous impact.

He has to win it. That's one of the main. Jaron's impact is one of the main reasons why I actually didn't have Taylor Jenkins in my top three of coach of the year because I think that Jaron Jackson is the biggest reason why they've been able to turn everything around. Like you said, they were in the 15 games that Jaron didn't play. The Grizzlies were 21st in defensive rating. And then he comes back and since then they've been first in defensive rating.

They're three points better than the second defense in the league. And they're the first in the season now. Exactly. And they're second in the West on tiebreaker, but they have the exact same record. But they have the exact same record as the Denver Nuggets. They've won 10 straight. Like, Jaron Jackson is him defensively. He's that guy.

Should Jaron be in most improved player talks? That's interesting. Because we've never given anybody most improved off of defense. Exactly. And he's urging. And his offense has been nice, too. Like, he's putting his ass off. Yeah, he's like, this is best basketball of his career by far.

So that's actually a good-ass point. I think, and I definitely think he should be, but we value outfits so much. I don't think that's ever going to happen. It's strictly like, point per game. How much do you average last year? How much do you average this year? Yeah. And it's just like never going to happen.

But another impressive thing about Jaron Jackson Jr., that's important to know, too, is that. I don't know the exact stats. So maybe I think you can find it, but I want you look for the top block leaders, are the block leaders, total block leaders of the NBA season so far. And Jaron Jackson Jr., I don't think he's, had the number one total because he's missed hella games, but with how quickly he's been able to jump the ladders and become, I think he's maybe top four or five in that category,

or maybe three by now, is insane. It just shows you how high his block rate is. He's squatting absolutely any and everything at the room, and he's obviously caught up Brooke Lopez, and he's, he's surpassed him. He's third. He's third in total blocks this year.

That's crazy. Behind. A game is nuts. Behind Brooke Lopez. Brooke Lopez is one at 106, Nick Clackson is second at 104, and then Jaron Jackson Jr.'s third at 89. That's crazy.

And he missed so many games, too. Yep. Wow. Okay, wait, wait, time about... Oh, wait, time up. Wait, never mind. I was looking at the wrong column. I was about to be shocked out of my mind.

Okay, you're good. Yeah. It's Jaron's time. He's finally coming to fruition in the player. He was hoped to be when he's drafted. He's the elite, defensive player with the also stretch the floor for you and be this perfect big to play next to your dynamic guard everything's coming together for them and you love to see it facts facts bro but listen man

we're 58 minutes into the show damn it's time for us to talk about what we're all here for the MVP it's going to be one of them once if the season end today who would be the MVP of the league man third place third place i got luca donchich mm okay I got the same one if we're talking just who's been the best players this year maybe be a little bit higher, but I think he's way down by team success compared to the guys above him. But you could argue that he's carrying the shittiest roster, so he should be higher. But the top two guys have just been so insane.

Okay. I have Jason Tatum at three. Ooh, I like that. People are going to be mad. They are. And listen, I like Jason Tatum a lot. One and two is very clear for me, though. It's Luca and Yokic.

And I think, I don't think it's like a wide, wide gap, but there is like a probably like a second tier that Tatum is in that he needs to jump back into the first team okay yeah I like that I'm not gonna argue most your third third is uh Luca I have him third yeah he's he's absolutely insane but I don't think he's I don't want to say that actually I think he actually he definitely could win it but for me personally I just think that other players have been clicking on all cylinders meanwhile Luca Dodgers has been skipping a beat and he's or not him necessarily but his team has the whole hasn't been skipping a few beats and until that gets solved I don't think he'll personally I don't think he'll be my MVP yeah I don't think there's anything

he needs to do better to win MVP I think he's doing everything you want for him to do with this roster it simply comes down to the top two candidates have just ridiculous resumes that Luca draws a short straw but in terms of like any other season he would be deserving for sure absolutely without a doubt. So we have Luke at three, Donovan as Jason Tatum at three. We can go straight to one. Number one, I have Nicola Yokic over Jason Tatum. Yeah, go ahead and get on your knees.

Get your knee pads ready, Doc. Isaac, get your knee pads ready. Listen, I know people are going to hate that because people like Tatum way more as a player. It's more fun to watch. Nicole Yokich might be the greatest offensive big we've ever seen. And even more than that, he might be one of the greatest offensive players we've ever seen when we're talking about this three-year peak. he's utterly ridiculous and

this is so funny the fact and the fact that he's also the one seat in the West I don't know how you can't give it to him yeah man who you got his one Mo I got Yokish for sure like I said like let's go I there's no refuting that whatsoever he's been absolutely ridiculous and as time goes on

and I'm happy that the NBA is starting to evolve in this manner no one gives a fuck about voter fatigue anymore no one cares thank God she's way too long about that shit and that shit as NBA season things philosophies concepts expire and that's a concept that should expire this season if you're hooping you're hooping and you deserve

it and with the wizardry that he's been doing and how he's adjusted his game as the season has gone on and how he's been trying to elevate certain players and at the start of the season's point per game wasn't his points per game wasn't high, wasn't jacking up as many shots

and he's politely deferring to other people and now as the season's going on he's actually taking over just the other night bro I was my crack head ass over here watching the Orlando Magic versus the Denver Nuggets while there was some big football game going on and I'm typing into the group chat and I was like

what the fuck is wrong with you what's going on and I'm like dude no Lecola Yolkis just hit a step back the re-pointer for fucking game man he's phenomenal on all levels he just never fails he never fails to surprise me which maybe at this point nobody has

nobody comes close to him in terms of control over the game and impact on every single play it used to be that was LeBron by far you know, LeBron slowed down a little bit. Right now, it's Yolkich by far. He's not only the best passer in the NBA, arguably one of the best passers of all time. We all know he's the best passing big man of all time.

That right now, 10 assists per game, but he's also the most efficient volume score in the NBA at 69% true shooting percentage on 25 points per game. I don't know how many times you've ever seen that combination of efficiency and passing. It's remarkable, and it's not even just like he's catching lob dunks for that efficiency. A lot of it is self-created in the post

from the high pick and roll. on the role in the short role all of it like there's almost i don't know what the fly is in the game right now offensively tough shots man i wouldn't say so other than like can you can he can he don't let it out no no listen yon go ahead yon go ahead you can go ahead tell us tell us your picks yeah listen yoke's that you'll kid's that too luca dants is that one look is the mvp he's the MVP you listen there's nothing right and we talk about okay everybody's finally like starting to get away from voter fatigue i'm not even going to talk about that we've seen over the last couple years the idea of oh you have to be the one seed you have to be the two seed to

to win the mp i think we've moved into a space where if your team if your team is not in the play in then you're you're eligible right you just have you have to be top six the mavericks right now are fifth in the west they're a game and a half out of of the four seed lucidantre's right now is averaging 34 nine and nine on crazy on 61 percent true shooting right so it's not it's not even it's not even like a huge gap is I listen 34 34 34 on 61 percent true shooting is still ridiculously nice 25 on 69 that's like the highest ever 34 30 30 30 30 34 though like to average to average 10 well to average better because he has to take more shots like listen to average 10 points more is still crazy it's still it's still crazy and to have the

to have the usage that he has and still be in still be at 61% true shooting that's that's amazing you want to talk about somebody who has complete control of every game lucca dants has that you want to talk about about somebody you want to talk about somebody who if he's not in the game his team has no chance the mavericks are 0 and 5 this year without without luka in the lineup they've lost three of those games by double digits they lost they lost one of those those games 144, 115 to the Chicago Bulls. Damn. They, they're carrying a team of shitters for real.

They get pieced up if he's not in the lineup. And right now, right now, Christian Woodes is the, is the second leading score. Spencer Dinwiddie is the third. But they run absolutely everything offensively through him. And I think that two years ago, yeah, Yokic's first MVP, we give Yokic all this, On this credit, he leads his team to the six seed. Oh, my God. Look at what he's doing.

He's controlling everything. He has nobody. He has nobody on his squad. Luke is doing the exact same thing. His team is going to have more wins. They're going to be hired in the playoff picture. Fair enough. A couple years ago, Russell Westbrook did the exact same thing.

If you wanted to give it to James Hardin, okay, fine. That's cool. But Russell Westbrook won with his team in the six seat again. He had a very, very high usage rate. He did all the things. He got his team up there because he was playing with absolute garbage. Luca Donch is just doing the exact same thing this year. And he, again, 34 points per game on over 60% true shooting.

He, what he's doing is unprecedented. He has absolutely no help. And while Yolke is amazing, I know that Jamal Murray is coming back. I know that Michael Porter Jr. is coming back. Aaron Gordon is having, like, the season of a lifetime. And I would still rather have Jamal Murray, MPJ, and Aaron Gorder. over Spencer Dinwiddie Christian Wood and Dorian Finney Smith The talent

It's closer than you would think though It's closer than you would think Oh what I think you lost me down to Jamal Murray hasn't been Jamal Murray yet He's still coming up He's still trying to get back to his own self Dinwiddie, we used to like to laugh at Dean Whitty being the second best player Didn't really still a good player

He's not I'm not gonna lie you I would rather have Dorian Finney Smith than Michael Porre Jr Michael Porter Jr. I'm not going to lie to you Easily taking Dorian Finney Smith Dorian has been out for 14 games He's been doing all this without Dorian True that's fair I would write Aaron Gordon

I'd maybe rather Aaron Gordon But versus Christian Wood Christian Wood is thriving as a He is a second option now So he is He's closer than you would think loki But at the same time At the same time

Finney Smith for the last two years It's been shooting 40% from from three That's dropped down to under 35% this year So so his so one of his main three He's an elite elite defender though he's good I know but one of his But a three and D guy is not giving him threes And so like he's and so like

What is Michael Ford Jr. giving him? Negative D not that many threes these days negative d but like i'm i'm sorry i'm chop but what what what what what what what what what what what what what we is is is unprecedented and i think that i feel you i think that we i think that we have precedent for for somebody i said that he's doing is unprecedented he's taking this whole like hero ball yeah i'm gonna put people on my back to the next level and i think that he deserves over yokch fair enough you said two years when for doing this thing he got to six seed so and so the thing is we saw yokech do that we're seeing him do that now as well but

with the one seed like that's the difference is that he's doing everything lucca's doing but with the one seed you talk about when luca doesn't play their shitters so are the nuggets when you look at the on-off numbers yokish has by far the craziest on-off numbers in the NBA when he doesn't play their offense is 16 points per possession worse 16 points per 100 possessions worse their defense 7.9 points per 100 possessions worse so simple math combined 24 point points per 100 projections better when yokech is on the court that's the difference between the best team in the NBA and the worst team in NBA history like they cannot survive without him either so I think in terms of that style of play where they need as one player to facilitate the entire team incredibly similar the difference is one team is the best in the West one team is the fifth best team in the West the everybody after six in the Mavericks rotation everybody after after six in the Mavericks rotation is absolutely trashed and they probably they don't even they don't even have a six man because the six man like if you're looking at basketball reference right and they like bones right right they rank no no no on the mavericks is everybody everybody's trash reggie bollock is in reggie bollock is in the top six he's been terrible this year after that maxie cleaver he's been hurt then we're getting to names like josh green camill walker frank nilokina damn davis burtons javel mcgee just a waste of money like you you just a waste of money like you just have all these guys who are trash and so they don't have a they don't have a solid six-man roster

that they can that they can put out and can actually be proud of and he's already nice though he's listen okay let's nice you can say that but if jay if he is in your if he's in your top six at this point in his career right we can project out all we want if he's in your top six right now and you're talking about oh we got to build a championship roster around luca we got to give him all the help and you say hey luca like we got help on the way jada hardy he's going to laugh in your face right yeah it's disrespectful i get it i get it look's having a great season for sure before we end the conversation though we had to talk about jason tatum like we're all doing him to service and i consider him because he's people are

gonna be mad we don't have him one people really are highly on board with the jason tatum his MVP talk we got to talk about why because i have him above lucca so everything you're saying about luca please him a why honestly it comes down to the whole best player on best team thing okay I'm not someone who's like that person has to win every year like I think that's stupid lazy analysis but they are the best team in the NBA by a good margin

like they're better than the Nuggets by like a few wins at this point the only reason he's not above Yokic because I think Yokic is simply better more impactful player but for the argument I made for Yokic for simply his team is amazing he's amazing also applies to Tatum

he's the best two-way wing in the NBA which we know is an incredibly valuable position building around that gives you so much versatility and just having that go-to shot making late in fourth quarters is incredibly valuable and now that he's an elite defender as well there's really nothing he can't do he's a passable passer passable passers crazy verbiage but he's a solid passer

and it's hard not to vote him you know what I mean like he's a close second yeah for sure that's fair that's that's fair I'm not I'm not gonna argue I think by the end of the season like if if Tatum moves up for me I would I wouldn't be shocked. It's, but Devin Booker fans are just upset right now because he's like, who's the best play on the best team last year?

And he's the defense's the difference there. Exactly. Booker's as good as a offensive player as Tatum. Tatum's a legit elite wing defender. Some people like to be like, oh, his defense is overrated. It's not. It simply isn't. He's a great defender.

Yeah. Yeah. I like, listen, I like that. I like that pick. And what about you, Moe? What do you think about Tatum? Yeah. I think I think he definitely should be

well how Donovan sold me on Luca I damn near want to go ahead and put Luca 2 and J. Tatum 3 because like he's just not better than either moving up you know what I'm saying and it's by it's by a margin as well it's not like it's not a toss-up or anything it's not a toss-up so he's just not simply better you know

but um I feel like there's something missing with Tatum is I feel like I don't know why I feel like people at this point maybe a little bit bored by the Boston Celtics and Tatum like Tatum just had a 50 point game the other day and I don't know it was because like people, because the scoring outbreak

that the NBA's going to do that people were just setting it or not. Yeah. You know? If Luca or Yolkut's would have had a 50 point game I promise you so some, you would have seen it all across your timelines on House Highlights, Bleacher report everywhere but Yolkish, I mean but Tatum does it. Maybe it's because of the fashion

which he kind of reaching, you know what I think it did get attention. I think the fallacy here is that it does get attention. Like people say nobody cares, people care, people care a lot, people are saying you should be MVP, people care exceptionally. Yeah, I don't know, it was odd to me seeing the really quiet 50-point game, and now I feel like people are slowly hopping off the afternoon. Yeah, it was so random against the Hornage, bro.

Who was watching that shit? Yeah, it probably is the thing you're talking about, though, people are desensitized the past few weeks because everybody's dropping 50. Yeah. So it's some of that. It could be all those things, but. I'm not mad at Tatum being two or three. There's a lot of pushback on social media right now

that people are like, oh, people are obsessed with these European players. If his name was Tatum Brahimovich, you would give him the MVP. Who's saying that? Which Celtics fans, honestly. Racist. Of course we are. That's what I'm saying. On brand.

The racist people are there in Boston? Yeah. On brain. Yeah, I'm saying that people are like saying Tatum's getting discounting because he's not European. And it's obviously fucking stupid. But there is something that Tatum is getting discounted. a little bit because I don't know if it's

because he's not the great passer or maybe the team's too good around him it's not as interesting as like a Luca like you're something in you that wants to pick Luca because he's doing this crazy shit with the bad team but like yeah you can't blame Tatum for having Jalen Brown you know what I mean yeah Tatum's been amazing all things considered yeah exactly and also

I don't know why but like just as they we did just more proof behind my argument to whom just like pure interests like they're fun to watch but when we did our most fun players to watch the draft nobody picked Tatum. Isaac went out of his way to say Jason Tatum is not fun to watch like that

even though he was like generally a great player you know he wasn't picked at all 15 players deep a top five or top seven player we definitely some people I'm not necessarily we because he's getting attention I'm not trying to act like he's not but it's easy to take Jason Tatum for granted

most people don't because he's incredibly popular because he's a Celtic and people like watching his style of play yeah but it is easy to take his two-way impact for granted I wonder how much the finals run kind of has impact on you know how much how much of an impact that has on like what we're expecting from tatum so and and if like like i think i think we've gotten to the point with the celtics where this whole like oh they're they're a young team they're on the way up that entire novelty has worn off they've they've made the finals they were up to one on the

warriors and they kind of blew it tatum had a bad he had a bad series i think we're at the point now where we're waiting to get to April, May, June with Boston, and that's going to kind of validate everything that we kind of think about with Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, and what the Celtics are in this entire era because they've made the conference finals several times, right? They've been knocking on the door. We're trying to see, are you going to take the step that we've been asking you to take since we declared you the next best player when you were 19, you know?

Yeah. And now he's now he's 20. how old is he 24 or 5 24 i think 24 like 19.5 yeah so it's been it's been about five years and we're we've been kind of waiting for tatum so maybe we're maybe we're just impatient with tatum yeah either way he's definitely gotta be top three if you have one i respect it but i don't know yokech it's hard not to pick yokech the voter the discourse is going to be insane because people that have voter fatigue and are tired of watching this big white boy win something who i just wants him

out the bad win. Some people that love the big white boy and our stats nerds are going to be too slanted towards him. Twitter's going to be hell. That's all I know. Yeah, can't wait for it though. Can't wait for it. But I think that's all the awards we got to get through. I think we can move on to everybody's favorite time, TikTok time. Let's do it. Let's get into it. This is this is going to be a long episode. We got a lot of good TikToks to go through today. Yeah. The first thing I want to do is we're going to do a draft. Start with that as always. People love them. We're going to do a draft with ringless players. Players I've never won a championship.

Okay. Damn, all time? Let's have NBA rosters with only players who have never won a championship. All time. Everybody in their prime. Wow. So I went first last time, so I'll go third.

Donovan, do you go second last time? Yeah. Okay, so you're first, Mo your second, I'm third. Okay, cool. Ringless. Yeah, people have never won a championship. That's tough.

Um, all right. Okay, you ready to go first? Yeah, yeah, I'll go, yeah, hit it, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. All right, my first pick, dang, this is, this is tough. Yeah, it's tough. I have a couple ways, I have a couple ways that I want to go. I, I really do hate myself for this. Give me, give me James Harder.

Ah, I was a first one of three. Give me, give me James Harder with my first pick. I want, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to distribute. That's fire. Gosh, this is extremely hard. Very hard. Hella hard. But I think I'm going to lose his draft straight up.

This is probably going to be the first draft where I, 110% no, I lost. So I think I'm going to go. Yeah. I'm going to go with Damien Lillard. I lost. Okay, it's a horrible pick. All right. I'm going.

Okay, we'll pick. Okay. Give me Charles Barkley and give me Nicola Yokic. Dude, you can't. Bro, you're cheating. Are we doing that? How's the cheating? He's going to win a...

Oh, you're cheating. What do you mean he's going to win? He hasn't won yet. That's very fair. He's on the... Okay. Okay. We picked Damian Lillard.

He's playing still. Yeah, he's playing, but he don't got a chance. He will never have a chance. It's rats for him. You pick the number one seat in the West? Are you crazy? He doesn't have running. I mean, what do you want?

That should be. That should be a patch. Okay. Oh, my God. That's good. You don't have a big name combination than me. Okay. All right.

It's on you, Mo. Mo, it's your turn again. Oh, it's on me? Cool. I'm picking Luca Donchison. Fair enough. Okay. That's cool.

We playing that game? Cool. I'll play dirty. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. All right. I want to score.

Give me Tracy McGrady. Oh, good pick. Yeah. Give me team Matt. And then I need a big. So. uh yeah you know we we can run this give me joel and b we're just we're just building a better version of the sixes right now okay it's not a bad pick i like that i like that all right so my turn

load your turn again okay cool has a keem won a ring before or no or yes yeah but keem one too come back to back oh fuck you're right yeah yeah back to her okay i don't know how i forgot that this guy let's thank okay cool um all right so i got dame and i got lucca take kd he has no real rings i was going to say that too i was going to say that i don't want to go i don't want to go through that turmoil that whole nasty discussion so sheesh dirk what a ring fuck this is tough it is very tough i have to lean more towards current players but that's too boring and that's kind of a cop-out isaac so damien lillard was your first pick i know yeah but demon don't got a chance let's be real

pick you don't got a fucking chance so damn okay this is tough bro i can't make this too long i gotta make my i gotta make my decision real quick and so i'm gonna go ahead and i need a big i need a big let me get paul george fuck it let me get paul george i was hoping he fell to me in my last pick okay yeah

that's a good one one thing i'm wondering is there's a few point guards i can choose from i'm trying decide which one has pick a i blah blah blah or cp3 blah blah blah blah he's not what you say he said he's a yeah he's a yeah he's a yeah he's not an a i type of guy oh really not the type of guy wow okay no issue with a i okay point guard give me chris paul i need oh eight chris paul with yokech elite playmaking okay and then I need some shooting give me Reggie Miller as my two okay okay okay I like that I like that I like that that's that solid all right so who are some bigs who haven't won a ring yet

says one on off the top of my head off rip but I cannot name him that is illegal I can tell you some but I think you can figure it out on your own why are you at why do you have to be like that you said that so sassy too Look at this out. I'm going to look this up. Okay. Because you want to take 10 minutes for pick, I'm not going to help you. Okay.

You know what? I'm going to go ahead. I'm going to go ahead and give me Rudy O'Barre. Oh, my God. What is this draft? I got a big Rudy Go Bear, bro. This man is trash. This man is trash.

I called it off for him to lose this draft, bro. Give me Rudy. Oh, that's beautiful. You should have put. Patrick Ewing. That's beautiful. Thank you. Let's go.

Let's go. I love it. Okay. All right. At my two, give me Tracea McGrady's cousin. Give me Vince Carter. That's a good big.

Give me Vince Carter at the two. And then at my four. Dang. Oh, at my four, give me Chris Weber at my four. Okay. I like Donovan's team. It's a funky-ass team.

I love it. I love it. Okay. All right. So for my four, it's a long list that I have to go through. But, yeah, I'm not going to pick Patrick Ewing. I don't want to do that. I'm off.

My team is heavily based off of vibes, if you couldn't tell by now. Yeah. Shit. I don't know why this is so hard for. Huh? I need a four. I need a four. Okay.

Or a wing. Hey, there's one big bald man waiting for. for you if you want to take him that's right all-star game all-star game is in is in Utah he said he's coming out of retirement he says he's coming out of hiding what you're going to do yeah he's coming out of retirement and the FBI is coming at your door right now he's just at one more time he's there for the taking you can go yeah he's there he is there for the taking but you know what let me go ahead do this the easy way and Damn, bro.

This is so hard. Like, y'all don't understand how my brain is trying to scan and pinolize every single NBA team, bro. Fuck. Stop giving them. Stop giving them pigs. Come on. Yeah. I know.

This is the worst draft of all time for me, bro. Let me go ahead. One. Hold on. Okay. Damn. I'm just fucking up. All right.

Fuck it. Let me go ahead and, uh, fucking give me Zion. What don't what I'm supposed to say? Fuck, bro. Yeah, what are I to say? The team is ass. Okay. Two stacks of ass, man.

For my last pick, I thought about Mello was my three. I need better defense. I thought about Elgin Baylor. I probably need better shooting. Just give me Jason Tatum. Okay. I need the three and D. My team is not that bad, actually, compared to you guys.

No. Chris Paul, Reggie Miller, Jason Tatum, Charles Barkley, Yokic. Yeah, I got Damien Lillard. I got Damieler, Lucid. Donchitz, PG-13, Zion Williamson, Rudy Gaubert. It's a nice-ass team. There's a clown in this lineup.

That's all I'm saying is, evolve to swap members, just one clown sticking out. Your team wins 52 games in a regular season. Oh, man. Okay, that was a good draft. Yeah. Let's move on to the next thing.

So there's been a lot of talk about is LeBron finally going to give up on the Lakers and request the trade? So, if the summer comes up, And if LeBron request a trade, which team would you want to see him go to? I want to see him take it back home and go to Miami. You know what I'm saying? I feel like a part two to go back home.

And they think Cleveland, Miami's the right choice. We're talking about reunion. Yeah, exactly. I would love Cleveland as well. But Miami just feels so right. And I feel like if that were to happen, I don't know how that's going to work with Jimmy Buller. You could say he's making it where we're going to Russell Westbrook, but it's not that beautiful. But he's not making shit work at Russell Westbrook.

It's been the opposite of working. it couldn't be working less even yeah that's funny Miami still's right I need to see Brown in Philly I need to see him Oh that's that's what I need He the six has had a chance

A couple years ago to get the perfect like Three guys if they could have gotten Paul George A couple years ago That would have fit beautifully With Ben Paul George and Embed I think if you can get LeBron He takes the spot of those two We'll see what happens with James Hardin

But even if you could replace James Hardin with lebron james that's a that's a championship team yeah what if what if him and kd teamed up in brooklyn stop that carrie going out the door stop kari going out the door realistic over here i'm just saying it's not unrealistic katie would go to the lakers lebron is not going to brooklyn savannah's cooking that man asked if you want to try to go to new york she lived in she lived in cleveland for years they're they're going yeah right brooklyn's nice she would like new york go over Cleveland. I promise you that. All I'm saying is him and Katie together

for their swan song years, be kind of cool. You absolutely right about that. Everybody trying to be buddy, buddy, buddy, man. Come on now. Get out of here, old man. Shut up. Katie and LeBron, listen, if that happens, that just confirms to me that Kevin Redge.

He doesn't want to win a championship. He doesn't want a real ring, man. We can't happen. I ain't go lie. I would also love to see LeBron on the Atlanta Oaks to show these boys how to play fucking shit basketball. Yeah, bro. He would unlock Trey-Yo's game.

Absolutely. I'm a hot-son and I'll rep it. So what? There's not many guards I want to see him with less than Trey Young. Keep Trey-Young away from LeBron James, please. Oh, man, that's a nasty take. Worst take of all time. Obviously, having him playing this to Luka would be cool, but...

Oh, actually, I want to see... Fuck all that. I want to see that. He next to Yokic. I want to see LeBron and Yokich. Oh, no. What needs to happen is LeBron needs to play with Dami Liver by his side. That will be a disgusting combo.

Yeah, but where? in Portland Nah Portland's nice Portland's nice He got Like Nike's right up the road Yeah Nike's right up the road

He got Anthony Simmons by his side Dane LeBron What Josh Hart who's left over No Jeremy Grant Are you kidding me? Don't disrespect Jeremy Grant is gone If they get LeBron James

Come on They can't keep them all Brons should just retire Brons should retire after this year And just keep his body on ice And then once Brony gets drafted Then he can come back And be a free agent

That's what you did A mercenary Yeah Bryce is looking real nice. That's funny. Oh, I said Bryce. Hold on. Bronny's looking real nice.

All right. I mean, that's a good little secret. The idea of LeBron requesting a trade is not having it. Day by day, it looks more,

more realistic. That's all I'll say. Nah, man. Don't buy it. Fake news. Yeah, neither do I. Next thing I want to do, I want us to talk

about the oldest player on every roster because I think people would be surprised on who people are on these teams. Okay. So I'm going to name's NBA teams. Y'all guess

who the oldest player on this roster is. Let's do it. The Lakers, besides LeBron. The Lakers beside LeBron. All right, so who is on this roster, Donovan? So, all right, so we got, it's not, we got Wantee, Kendrick Nunn, you got Pat Beb. Is it Russ?

I think it's not Russ. No, I'm going to, I think it's Pat Bev. It is Pat Bev. Pat Bev is four months older than Russell Westbrook. Oh, okay. okay damn real close enough it's not terrible

Patrick Beverly he's been the old head now is wild yeah he's been an old head like for 10 years yeah what about the Miami Heat

oh Dennis Haslam oh you Donna's Haslam yeah besides you Donnas Haslam oh Devinvin Vane then I mean not Devin Bain Des, wait

fuck what's his name Desmond Bain Oh you're talking about you're talking about Dwayne deadman It's not Dwayne deadman Oh it's Kyle Larry then easy Yep it's

sick ass, he's 36. Damn. You're nasty. 36, bro. Shit. They're nasty. What about the clippers? For clippers?

Ooh, this is kind of hard. This is a little bit. Yeah, they got hell of pieces. Is it Marcus Morris? Mo, what's your guess? Shit. If it's not Marcus Morris, is it older than Kauai?

Is it John Wall? He is not Marcus Morris. It's not John Wall. Whoa. Neither of those guys. Oh, it's Rachel Jackson then. No, it's not Richard Jackson. Damn, I have no idea, bro.

Mad confident. Who is it? Like, is it Norman Powell? No. Y'all's going to name every player on the roster. It is Nicholas Batum at 34 years old. Oh, but he forgot about his French ass. Damn.

Yeah. Yeah, I forgot about him. Makes sense. Wiley veteran. Fourth quarter, why Baton in? Makes sense. I said that. What about the Memphis Grizzlies?

Oh, Danny Green. Yeah, people forget Danny Green's on the Grizzlies. He's not on the team. There he is. Average is four. The Memphis Grizzlies pay his salary, that's all I'll say. He's not on the team. He'd be doing media availability and everything.

What about the Cleveland Capiliers? Kevin Love. Surprisingly, it's not Kevin Love. Oh, it's Ricky Rubio. It's not Ricky Rubio either Oh You might forget this guy's on the team If you don't watch them every night

He must not get that much PT then It's not Caleb or Ricky Rubio then Who the fuck could it be Their guards are straight He's a couple months older than Caleb I'll say that A couple months older than Caleb Damn

I thought Caleb was the only old head on that team That's what I thought too One more There's one more old man there I cannot remember Damn Can you tell us when he was drafted? I'll say this is his first

year on the team i think oh so he's new then i definitely wouldn't know yeah yeah i'm blinking can you tell me when he was drafted i don't know who is it before 2010 we're not playing 20 it has to be who is it yeah it's robin lopez oh damn i forgot about him he's such a nobody he's on the calves yeah bro his biggest moment of the year was when he made that tweet about donovan Mitchell 71 point game, bro. After that, I don't remember him. That last one. Who is the oldest player on the Knicks?

On the who? Damn. Donovan, you should know this. The Knicks. I'm out of this, Donovan. You should be embarrassed, ashamed of yourself if you don't know this, Donovan. I know it. I probably don't know it. Oh, my God. You should know then.

I'm blanking. You're a fake fan. Oh, it's Derek. It was Derek Rose, 34 years old. Yeah, man. Isn't that fucking crazy? Derek Rose is the old head of his team? That's crazy as hell, man.

Just the other day he was slam dunking when he was 21, 22 years old They won an MVP's RIP. Damn. RIPP, he's alive. Them knees are dead. His knees are not alive. The knees are dead. We're celebrating the 10-year death anniversary of his knees as wild.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Okay, that's all the names I got. Cool. Nice. So, next tick top, we're flying through these. Next one, we're going to redraft. Let me just say the hook.

Let's redraft the 2018 NBA draft. I need to look up I have the worst time remembering I'm in my bag right now I ain't got to look at a first overall pick Let's run up the list

Luca don't just We don't even have to conversate about that All right Top two We might have to have a little bit Conversation I feel like I know Were you guys gonna lean towards I'm taking Treon for number two

Because I don't think This is who he is this season And wait Yeah I'm not rocking with you I'm not rocking with you I'm not rocking with you She's number two She is number two

Off for just one season like this Yep Shea's number two. I'm projecting forward. Shea is going to be better than Trey. Luka. That's crazy. The recent he buys is nasty.

Future defensive player of the year, Jaron Jackson Jr. is at three. Oh, come on. Come on. Try Young's probably number three. Best role player in the game. McKell Bridges is at four? You're nasty, bro.

No, okay. In all seriousness, Trey Young's number three. Yeah. Is Jaron Jackson number four? Jaron Jackson is number four. Yeah. Okay.

McHall Bridges. Are we going Bridges or Aiden's at five? Teammates. Give me, McKell Bridges. Give me McKell Bridges. Oof. I have,

I still have faith that with a different team that doesn't fucking hate them. Purely off of vibes. I still have faith that with a different team whose coach doesn't

fucking hate them that DeAndra Aten can be better. But I guess we've got to go Bridges for now. Yeah. Purely off the vibes. I look at,

I look at Deandra Ait and I get disappointed. I can't, I can't have them on my squad. Yeah. Can't do it. Can't do it, bro.

Okay, but next then, are we, at six, Are we going to go DeAndre Aden or Anthony Simons? No, we're taking Jalen Brunton because he was in that draft. Oh, he was? Yeah, so Jalen Brunton next?

Yes. Okay, Jalen Brunton at six. Yeah. Seven, Aiden or Simons? Simons. Damn! I think I'm going to lean DeAndre Aden. I still believe his potential on a different team.

Yeah, you're overruled on that one, Donovan. Let's do Aiden. That's fine. He's still trash. Oh, no, we forgot about? Hold on. Is it Aiden or Robert Williams? Aiton, okay, that's not, okay, let's relax now.

Donovan, what do you think? Let's be real. Robert Williams. Yeah. No, I'm telling you guys, it's purely off vibes for me. I really- Purely off-a-vives. Bro, I'm telling you.

The dreads is doing it for you. I get upset. I get upset watching DeAndre Ait and play basketball. He's a, he's a disappointment to me. Let's be real. I'll rock with Aiden. I'll rock with Aiden over Williams. But Robwell is an elite defender.

Yeah, for sure. Is it Robert Williams or Anthony Simons? I think I'm going to lean Robert Williams. He's a legit elite rim protector. I got to have Anthony Simons. He's a legit room protector. Why? Just because it's a nicer bag. But he's not someone that I have any chance of building my franchise around.

So I'm definitely taking time. You're not building your franchise on Anthony Simons? I'm not, but I have a better chance of Simons than Robert Williams for damn straight. If you're building neither of your team around, neither one of these guys been built around, so why even consider that? These guys are tertiary. I'd rather have Anthony Simons as a cornerstorms. piece because he if anything went wrong i could get more out of iron for simons than robert williams period i'm picking rob will what about you donovan well considering that i had

simons and then rob well i would take simons i i would take i would take simons it is y'all are underrating defense okay is robert williams next yeah for sure yeah okay so for our 10th spot we have we have some of those names we have kevin herder kevon herrard vanderbilt kevon herder Jared Vanderbilt Um De Anthony Melton Surprise pick Oh he's a second round

He's fucking fantastic bro He's fantastic And Gary Trent Jr. Wendell Carter Jr. Oh I'm good I'm good on Wendell Wendell was nice

I'm good on Wendell Putting there There's a lot of options I think it's either between Wendell or Kevin And it depends What you really value At the end of the day

Would you guys take Wendell Over Gary Trent Jr? Yeah I'm not really considering and Gary Trent. I'd rather have Kavana harder than Gary Trent, Jr. Yeah, same. I think I'd rather have Wendell over Kevin. No.

I don't know. Wendell's nice. Yeah, Wendell's nice. He's a great all around. What Kevin is doing this year and being able to shoot lights out and his ability, his ability to shoot off of casting shoots, his movement off the ball has been great this year. he's been extremely efficient I'm taking Kevin Herder over Wendell Carter Jr.

All right, let's go come on Herder I'm with it, we'll go with him Okay, I'm not hanging on that, let's do it It's a good ass draft man Yeah, this is one of the This is easily one of the greatest drafts Of all time, period Mm-hmm

Easley one of the greatest Yeah, for sure, Donovan Is the top five? I don't know if it's top five But it's one of the top five It's gonna be one of the 10thes It's gonna finish top five Yeah, top five of me

Obviously 84 and no three other ones that are like there Oh, you know what you should do for a next draft video? Let's draft the best NBA drafts. Okay, that's crazy. That's all-D. Wow. Okay.

Last thing for you out of here, we have another one, the one with the all-time finishes. Let's save it for next week. Last team for you out of here, we're going to do another jersey old versus new. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's go, let go, let go. Go ahead and pull up the group chat. Let's take a look at these pictures, Donovan curated for us.

Yes, sir. So let's pull them up. which NBA jersey is better old or new the Minnesota Timberwolves the old one is easily better it's easily easily better oh yeah I love the font I love the font the new one looks hard the trees on the collar is hard the color is hard Minnesota has some good jerseys now I don't dislike them but it's tough sounds like you're just describing KG as a player the old the old Minnesota the jerseys are one of the best NBA jerseys, like, of all time.

I think, I think these, I think these are easily better than the ones they have now. Easy, I agree. They fill off hard. Their design team is ass. I wrote about the Phoenix Suns. I like new. Modern ones. Yeah.

The ones we're looking at these 2000s ones, these 2000s ones are horrible. This purple stripe on the side, awful. It's everything wrong with 2000s jerseys. Yeah, no. There's not a single good thing that I could say about the son's old school jersey whatsoever, bro. What is that fucking circle around their number? Who thought of that? Ask, that's what it is.

I like the circle. The circle is cool. It's so random. It doesn't do anything to add to the jersey whatsoever. The new Phoenix jersey is mad plain. It doesn't do anything. At least it's inoffensive. At least it's inoffensive.

The other son's one is the older one is actively horrible. Yeah, I hate on the stripe. I like the strike. Couldn't be me. Listen, if we were talking the Charles Barclay-era ones, that'd be a different conversation. Yeah. It's terrible. No, it's been consistently downhill since the 90s for the Souts.

They have, they beat then. That's funny. Okay. What about New Orleans? This is tough, because I actually feel like... Yeah, this is tough. This damn rare tiebreaker to me. I kind of like the Pelicans jerseys.

I kind of like the Pelicans jerseys right now. Me too, honestly. I think they fit the city. I think the. font is really nice yeah yep i think i think i'll take the old ones though the pinstripe on it is really i'm just fake i'm just i really like them you tell i'm fake i like the new ones you say i'm fake mo you know you faked us out you were talking us into the new ones and you're like i'm gonna take the old ones yeah i like the pinstrikes yeah i don't know i think you're

right i think the font feels very new orleans it feels very by you style and the stripes on the side also feel fitting and i like the brightness of the red more than like the color scheme of the pelicans. Yeah, I agree. I mean, I like the brightness of the red more than like the color scheme of the Hornets. So I think I'm a lean new,

but just barely. Yeah, same. Agreed. Next one, the Brooklyn Nets. The old one. The old New Jersey Nets, those actually have some personality. The new Brooklyn ones,

they are straight black and white. Very boring. Not interesting at all. Yeah. I don't like them. They're not bad. They're fine. Yeah.

When I think about the Nets jersey, I think about depression. Who went through this, bro? Who decided to go from that to that? That's one of the biggest falls of the NBA history. Depression. Yeah, bro. That's crazy. You said the Nets jersey is a bipolar disorder.

That's wild. Yeah, bro. Yeah. I don't have a problem with the new ones, but I think the best jerseys the Nets have now are the throwback jerseys to this older era. I think that says a lot. Yeah. By far, bro.

Next one. the Denver Nuggets I like the new Wait, hold on This is no You're wrong The old ones are better The light blue is classic

What would The powder blue It is so hard to mess up It's so hard to mess up Powder Blue uniforms In all In every single sport It is insanely hard

Yeah It's the same reason why the charge It's the same reason Why the Chargers Arguably have the The greatest football jersey Of all time With their powders

You write about that I'm tripping I think The Nuggets have really good alternate jerseys now but their base jersey is just all right and if you applied that powder blue jersey to today's cuts it would be gorgeous oh my goodness yeah i'm sure right about that yeah i'm tripping going old if we get a throwback jersey with if we get a throwback jersey today with the old powder blue beautiful yeah damn last one the pacers i like the new one actually

i like the i like the new one i think it's i think it's very creative i like the font for the Indiana a little bit better. So yeah, I'm going to take the new one. Yeah, I'm going to take the new one as well. I like the all-aroundness. The jersey just feels more complete. And Indiana's jersey back then just seems more plain. I don't know.

They didn't do too much. Yeah. 2010's jerseys were just obsessed with 2000s and 2010's jerseys were just obsessed with vertical stripes being in random places. And I think this Pacer's jersey is a prime example. The new one is just way more clean. I don't even think it's a conversation. Yeah, easily.

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