The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put Every 2025-2026 NBA Team In A Tier List | Ep. 166

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

Organizing every NBA team in a tier list after 2 weeks! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:39- tier list 1:41:10- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Boarding for flight 246 to Toronto is delayed 50 minutes. Ugh, what? Sounds like Ojo time. Play Ojo? Great idea. Feel the fun with all the latest slots in live casino games and with no wagering requirements. What you win is yours to keep groovy. Hey, I won! Boating will begin when passenger fisher is done celebrating.

19 plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Concerned by your gambling or that if someone close, you call 1866-3-3-1-2-60 or visit comixonterio.ca. we have spent the last two weeks learning observing fact gathering as we watched the first couple weeks of basketball learning what we need to know about every single NBA team past couple weeks these episodes have been based around telling you guys everything we've learned last week it was one thing about every single team today we're going to distill all that information and put every single NBA team into a tier list and kind of take a lay of the land and put teams into groups of how we view them compared to their peers yeah it's more of like like a vibes tier list as opposed to like a true power ranking exactly Yeah, it's not a power ranking at all. We're not going to rank them against each other. As you see on here, we have general vague types of teams for these tier lists. We have the championship favorites, real contenders, teams that one move away, solid playoff teams, play and bound teams, bad teams that are fun, bad teams that are not fun, and teams that deserve relegation. Relegation is so mean.

I think we all know. I think we all know who it is. So we'll get to all this. Put every team into a group based on just how we're viewing them around the league. Yeah. Makes sense. And before we cue the intro music, before we get started, I think we all. think we do acknowledge you are both wearing the same shoes and i think that's very cute once again

i was here first i promised you i got dressed before he did i told him as soon as he walked in you have to go home you have to change obviously we can't be wearing the same thing he did not listen he's biting my swag of course you say that but i thought about this outfit first i planned this outfit for over the last like three or four weeks coordinated perfectly and i put it on better than you too. There's no way, there's no way that you've been thinking about this outfit for. Hell yeah. Four weeks of playing. That's what you came up with. Every single outfit. From that,

from that, from that, egregious lie alone. That makes it worse. Yeah, you got to change. It's not a lie. I create every single outfit, bro. I could literally, so, yeah, I can show you my what do you have for dinner tonight? You don't know. I, I spend all my thought process on my fits. I don't give a fuck about dinner. I don't give a fuck about none of that. It's my fits. He's a liar. Great. Well,

do you guys can decide who wore it better? You can get to bottom of this and who is that fault here for wearing the same shoes what that why you're not wearing the same shoes that's the real question because your your fit would have been elevated the guy owned tims it's about to get cold it's about to start snow it is yeah I have other kinds of boots but not Tim's yeah but with that being said let's put every single NBA team into a cheer list based on the top of team they are after two weeks cue the intro music we're throwing it back whoa that's crazy he was bragging I don't eat his shit

The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. Crown eaters rejoice. So where do you guys want to start with this? Obviously, we have a wide range of type of teams. What team is on top of your thought right now that you want to start with? The team that honestly, I need to, I need to tap in even more with them. But championship favorite Oklahoma City Thunder.

I watched them and I haven't been as tapped in with them as I was last year because they're on cruise control They are 100% on cruise control They just lost the first game Losing to the Trowbages

by two points after a big comeback And which Denny of Dia I think had a triple double If not he was damn close He might have been like one rebound away I can't remember the final stat line But he went crazy All start level stat line

They're playing without Chet Playing without Jado Playing without several other shooters He finally dropped a game To go 8 and 1 Yeah they have nobody on their team right now Caruso's been in and out Lou Dort's been in and out.

Those are the other guys you've been talking about and they feel like the same exact team with the same story line still the best defense by a sizable margin in the NBA.

She just continues to be better and better. He's averaging like 33 consistently this year, you know? Whole life is consistent. And an interesting part they're doing is because

they're down so many bodies. They are purposely putting Shea with the worst offensive players they have in these lineups because they're saying we have these few offensive players that can do something AJ Mitchell, Hartenstein, Joe and Wiggins, they're going to play the bench lineup so we can

hopefully find a way to score when Shea's not playing. And then when Shea is playing, give them all defenders, we know he can carry the offense. So he's playing with absolute bullshit in terms of offensive spacing right now and still finding a way to win 90% of their games. The interesting part with them too is that, especially to start this season, it feels like it's the same as last year where nobody is really giving them enough credit for just winning games. because last year obviously like they they win high 60s that's that's awesome but you miss chet for a majority of the season you miss heartenstein for for some time guys were in and out

of the lineup the entire time and the fact that you were still able to win 70 that's a testament to like obviously their entire team but then shade just being crazy and at that level and it's the same thing this year where you don't have j-dub and chet has like again like that you mentioned caruso the lineup hasn't been the exact lineup that won the chamber in game seven or in the finals last year and they still got out to this crazy start they're still defending at a at a crazy high level like we can we can look in another two weeks or in you know Christmas whatever whatever benchmark that you want we're going to look at that and they're still going to be at the top of the league in wins they're going to have one of the best

three defenses in the league the offense is going to be fine they're one of the best one defenses and they're won by a wide margin I want to get them just even just a little bit of wiggle room for playing no one's close right now playing with anybody and it's just going to be amazing because how are you doing this with your backups and with not your best? Because Mark Dagnall is the best

defensive coach in the NBA and it's not even particularly close at this point but yeah they're going to be championship favorites until proven otherwise and by proven otherwise that means unless there's a drastic injury that changes things because even as they missed games and miss guys in the lineups almost no matter who they have around Shea as long as Shay is there

they're going to be championship favorites. Yeah. Let's go to a team that has been on the top of conversation a lot lately, a team that we didn't talk about much last week and people were asking us to talk about them. People that are fans of this team are adding me on Twitter nonstop,

asking for an apology to one specific player on this team. What do you want to do with the Chicago Bulls? Oh, man. The surprise of the season, win-wise, they're winning lots of games, losing very little games. Josh Giddy is making lots of shots, missing very little shots.

It's been one of the best schemed offenses in the league, I think. Billy Donovan's on the short list for coach of the year and Josh Giddy is on the short list for most improved player of the year. Yeah, so the Chicago Bulls have been the surprise of the year. It feels like every two or three years the bull start off the regular season

within the same pace, the same route within the first 10 to 11 games or whatever and they're doing the same thing. But I feel like this type of leap from Josh Giddy shooting what he's shooting from three point line. and like what he's doing in the paint as well get into the room I think he's averaging like 12 points per game in the paint

alone which is insane for someone of his standards who there was a meme of him a couple years ago where someone put up a graphic of his scouting scouting graphic and they said he has no bursts he can't shoot he can't finish in the paint

that whole that whole entire thing is false now through years of development through his game and seeing what he's doing feels like It feels real, maybe not to this degree where he's literally like one of the two or three best guards in the Eastern Conference right now. But I will say, I think this probably can lend them to being like a solid playoff team if this feels real.

I think there's playoff playing bound, but they're, to me the line is either the worst team in solid playoff team or the best team in play and bound because I think they went from everybody saying, eh, it's a nine or ten seed to, it's a six or seven seed. Just because there's other better teams in the conference, I think, we have more faith in long term. But I think with Josh Giddy specifically, it's pretty real. I think he's obviously a player that has always had the strengths and weaknesses, right? And the strengths haven't quite been strong enough to overcome the crazy weaknesses that are very easy to scheme against,

which specifically made it. So nobody believes in him in terms of playing basketball at a high level against winning teams in a playoff environment specifically. Obviously he was really bad in the OKC playoff series, helping off him nonstop, who was a cone. And then last year in the playing game didn't go great either. It was just if you can't be a consistent threat to shoot, people aren't going to have a, big issue with helping off you leaving you wide open, even if you can hit a decent clip, they're going to ignore you. And defensively, he wasn't anything noteworthy. So all the strengths as a slasher and as a passer weren't really allowed to shine because the weaknesses

held them back. I think the strengths are stronger now and the weaknesses are weaker now. It feels like the development you'd want to see from Josh Kitty. Obviously, he's shooting 43% from three. I don't know if that's sustainable. But the end of last season, when he went crazy for those last 20 games, it was because the three-point shot was falling and opened up everything else, we said, okay, you've never shot this whole before. I'll believe it when I see it again. We're seeing it again. So if the shooting leap is real and maybe not 43%, but he is just a good shooter now that will shoot 38% and is even better as a driver, even better as a passer, this is just a very good player now, if that's the case. The Chicago Bulls have elevated

themselves out of playing range to a solid playoff team. Okay. Yeah. I believe this. And because hope is on the way, reinforcements are on the way. Like when Kobe White comes back and you And you do add another guard who can score the basketball like he can. Then I think that their offense gets super, super scary and everything that they're doing just elevates to another level. So with that, also with the team that we thought we're going to be in the middle of the east that we're going to take up this like one move away type of, you know, category. They're also not really firing on all cylinders. Teams, we can be specific here. Because the Hawks are mid, they have allowed the bulls to slip into the 60 potentially.

Well, the Hawks, yo, saying the Hawks versus crazy when the Orlando Magic exists right in front of our faces. All healthy, by the way. Both shows suck. Fair enough. Yeah, so they could be five or six, and if we think those two teams are going to be bad, which we'll get to them a little bit later.

This team has a range of being from five to seven-ish, right? If this is all real, which I think it is, Billy Donovan, he's an amazing coach right now. The way they're playing with this pace and space style that we saw that movement last year, it's better now because Josh Gidey is playing at a true all-star level, year-two Modis Bezellos who we all love up here. I buy it.

I'm not ready to be like, you know, this crazy. start is like we need to take them seriously to make a deep run the playoffs i'll slow down a little bit and see what happens and the three-point shooting stuff normalizes as a defense because they're currently topped in defense yeah what we talked about last week they have the most shooting luck ever which maybe there is something they're doing right you know the Celtics have had good shooting luck for years because they're really good at allowing the right shooters really good at contesting and all this stuff if you tell me that we look up 40 games in the season and we find out that

billy donovan has implemented system where he also is just a good coach at a defendant the three-point line i'll believe you i'll need to see a little more than eight games before i get there so for now i'm assuming the defense will regress to not be top 10, but the offense will stay top 10-ish. That's a solid playoff team. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Shout out Josh Giddy, man. People were asking for an apology.

I'm like, look, an apology. He got better. He's playing good now. Good for him. I mean, he still would play terrible. And people are trying to relitigate the whole trade thing with Caruso. That's what they're talking about. They won a championship.

I know. I don't care. Like, I hope he continues to play well for the Bulls. It's a fun team, but I don't exactly feel like we were proven wrong. He's just, I guess we got proven wrong because we did write him off as. never going to be worthwhile to build around. So I guess in that way, maybe he's changing the book there. But for now, I'm willing to say, I'm happy for him, continue to play well. I'm not really ready to, like, rewrite the book on Josh Gidey. Yeah, I mean, people are forever going to feel,

not forever, but they're going to feel dicey about someone like Josh Giddy and players of that caliber who are on the fence of being productive, but still do like outstanding stuff on the court that only is like a small group of players in the league can do. It's just going to take him some time to shake off the what he's known for. Shake off the, what's the word that I'm looking for? I'm a blanket right now. The reputation.

Reputation, yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think if he does this past All-Star break, then it's like, okay, like, this feels real. This is so reductive, and it's not fair to him, per se. But I do need to see in the playoffs, just because the question is more really, like, can he be a good slasher and passer as the core of his game,

which is doing really well now? I buy that he got better at that, and this is, like, the finalized version, and that's a strength of his, I fully believe that that makes sense I need to see what the shooting aggressiveness looks like against playoff defenses is he going to be able to pull it with confidence is it going to be consistent

I don't know if he has to pull up Is the slashing going to stand up against playoff defenses Like you know like all that small stuff That'll be the difference I can fully buy that he's a guy That'll put up points rebounds assist And if that's proving us wrong Then you guys don't have that

Before I get into like this is a all start of a player We should build around and like really take seriously I do like to see it in the playoff setting Yeah it takes a while for me Even players that I don't have terrible terrible like bad priors on it takes so much to actually be like yeah we can build around you yeah because you can say that and if their lot in life is solid playoff team and they get to be the four seed and like you're building around him in that way then cool like good good for you

but like whenever whenever i hear somebody say yeah we want to build around him okay then you clearly think that this player can be the focal point of a team that can make the conference finals or make the finals. And I'm just not there yet with Josh Gidea. But I do think he, I do think he can be an all-star this year. So I'm trying to balance not saying, the way I framed it earlier,

I made it sound more harsh. I don't want to say like, we're not going to change our mind at all. Because if he makes an all-star game, that's obviously more than we anticipated from him. So in that way we were wrong. But just in the overarching grand scheme of things of what it can lead to,

I got to see in the playoffs. Yeah. It's kind of like this bonus thing where I'm like, I really got to see it work in a certain scenario before I can really care. And even if it doesn't necessarily work to that degree, like, again,

similar to Subonis, this is the Chicago Bulls here. We have to go ahead and like, we recalibrate our expectations for them. And when it comes to what's happened so far, this is good. You know, we can't ask for better. I will say we're wrong about one thing. Maybe it's not the worst trade of all time, actually. Maybe we can say it's a win-win trade. I think that's a fair thing we can give Bulls fans of us being wrong about.

Is that at the very least, we said you're crazy for not getting a first-on pick for Alex for Rousseau because we did not view Josh Giddy as a positive asset in a huge way considering you get to pay him. And now if he is going to be this type of all-star level guy that can give production to this middling team that's trying to build from the middle and try to find the most value they can from non-premier assets,

then now it's certainly a big win-win trade. Yeah, I can agree with that. Because Alex Russo is worth, on the open market, one or two first-on picks. Josh Giddy is clearly worth that at this point, in this version of him for this specific team. I have to rethink that, but okay, we can ride with that. I don't want to hate on Josh Giddy right now.

Because he is playing well, but like okay cool yeah so there you go we were wrong about this being a terrible trade it is now win-win trade that we're not admitting that we were wrong but like it's it's it's the trade is open to relit the trade is under appeal that's that's what we do that okay yeah okay you're on track to being a win-win trade assuming this 15 games is real yes there you go uh what do you want to do with new york next they're so weird to decide in my mind what i want to lay them don't what's your current feel about the Knicks watching this team making this new scheme go into place underneath Mike Brown? They're real contenders. It's just going to take a while to get there. I think if we did

them, if we put them on this tier right now, they kind of feel like they're one move away. What does that move? Because that was my thing is obviously on paper before the season, they're real contenders, but we hear two weeks later to kind of talk about what we've seen aside from that prior assumption. What would that move be? Do you think they need to address? So, okay, so if you asked me like three days ago or four days ago, I would have said some more perimeter, like, defense, basically somebody to take the Josh Hart role because he wasn't playing super well. Josh Hart has been playing well over the last couple games. And so I feel better about them now. There's sometimes where I guess I would say back a point guard because like Deuce is, uh, Deuce McBride, he's not like a point guard in that way.

Yeah. And so that's like you had Brogden on the, on the roster. he retired colic is he's good i really like tyler colic but i don't know if he's ready to step into being like a backup real rotational point guard for a championship team so maybe maybe that but do they have an actual avenue to make a substantive move because i feel like the one move away tier we need to use that for players that for teams that realistically we think can make that jump into real contenders and if you're feeling they're not quite there right now they obviously have made several all in moves starting with o g then going to mcale then going to cat they're obviously

pretty set in who they are. So if you're not confident that they can really win a championship this year, maybe for now they go in a solid playoff team. So, okay. The thing is like, I feel like they are, I will put them in the category of one move away, but I do think that, like, while they may not have a specific move that they can make, it's literally just time that they need. Because I think, like, you're still seeing Kat adjust to his new role.

And he's been a little bit more aggressive over the last couple games. Brunson playing off ball has been. awesome. Brunson's been really, really good. I feel like you've seen as confident offensively of a McHale Bridges as you've seen in a while. So the move away is waiting. Yeah. Are we giving them that? Does that make sense? It's legit time. Because I think that they are genuinely better than the Chicago Bulls. And I understand that they don't have a move to make, but they are at least a tier above that. Well, keep in mind, that's a big tier. That's a broad tier. So it doesn't take away the Bulls element of it. We're not saying their quality team similar to the Bulls, you know.

but I think real contenders we should be pretty we should be pretty firm I still feel good about even in this conference do you want to give him one move away being waiting I would be feel I'll feel comfortable with that I do think if something crazy was to happen I don't think anything crazy is going to happen with the roster at all it has to be like internally which

again to your point is time I feel okay with putting them in one move away is that a move is that hurting the integrity of the category of what we mean for it to mean they've just been so weird but it's not a move necessarily It's just time. So that's not a move. So what I'm hearing is right now

they're a solid playoff team and you believe they can become real contenders. Is this a list that we want to set the precedent of projecting what we think people can become or are we doing what they are now? I feel like it's probably more fair to decide that based off of what they are right now and build on the storyline as the season goes on.

So right now they're a good playoff team and they can break in real contenders with time? I guess so. Okay, but like what if what do you guys think though? About them? To me, I think it just comes down to what we want to do with this.

list. But I do agree right now they're looking like a good playoff team that we all had the preseason expectations of the Mingrook contenders. And that's both around the idea that we thought Kat going back to power forward would be good for him defensively and they can get a better chance of having a good playoff defense. We'll see what that looks like as much Robinson can continue to play more and more minutes as the season goes on hopefully. And that was also contingent on Mike Brown being uniquely capable of utilizing Kat better than Tom Tibido was. Since they didn't really run anything for Kat that really made us feel like they were maximizing his value. That hasn't happened yet either. So I see the vision.

and then being real contenders, but we do got to see it, and thus far we haven't. So, again, to me, it's really, do we want to project it, do we don't want to say what they are now? Or maybe should we just do a little bit of both?

And for this cheer list, I don't know. That is why I'm asking for the one move away to just be weight. I'm okay with the idea of that in theory, but a lot of teams would be there. Then at that point, the tier list is just like very good playoff team.

We're not actually making it one move away. They're, but they don't have a specific move. Like they, then they're not one move away. No, but they're like functionally, like actually strapped to do that. Then they don't want to move away. Then they are who they are and you're hoping they're getting real contenders.

Yeah, we can just set them as a solid playoff. I just don't want to see our logos next to you. That's really what it is. I don't want to see it. And I understand that we have lost the game to them, but I don't. That doesn't help. This is an fire ranking. That doesn't matter.

That'll be a big tier. My time will come in a couple weeks. But like it'll look fine thing. That's going to be a huge tier. Yeah. I feel like every single team is not. not so glued into like what the tier actually like it's not glued to who's who's next to them it's about them and how they're pacing right now as an individual organization 100% yeah i will say

off of off of last night though i mean they they woke the timber wolves and and was and was back they came they they beat them down oh i didn't even realize and came back last night i didn't even see that yeah we could talk about them next they're so weird okay that's a good example are they want to move away because they are a weird team like you said they are a team that does not have a point guard. They have a center in Rudy Gobert, who I think to the eye test, and if we can say, he's taking another step back offensively, for sure. He's entering, does nothing tier offensively.

I heard Zach Lowe said he's entering the PJ Tucker tier of usage. That's what it feels like, but also their defense lives and dies by Rudy Gaubert's presence. His on-off numbers are ridiculous, like always, because they have no other centers behind him that can defend worth a damn. The Nasree, Julius Randall Minutes are a nightmare defensively. So the one in the five aren't looking particularly great right now, but we know what they are in the middle and the nucleus that team is extremely good. sounds to me that's a definition one move away.

Yeah, they are. And then alongside their defense not necessarily looking the same earlier this year compared to last year. Last year they also had a slow start. But in my mind, that's more justifiable considering you are integrating a whole new entire player who absorbs a lot of usage on the court in Julius Randall. This year there's no really like excuse for that. And so seeing that and also seeing that, oh shit, like you guys are ass at rebounding as well,

at least on the defensive side of the ball. I think they were like 17th on that side of the floor as well. And then you also consider, oh, shit, like we are missing to kill Alexander Walker. That's pretty much our only loss in this offseason. I do feel like they're one of the teams that are poised to re-up and rejuvenate themselves and genuinely and actually be one move away from serious contention. Yeah. And maybe we could do solid playout team because we're kind of a lot of bail.

But I do think they have a clear path to getting better. You know, they can acquire a guard. They have young players in Rob Dillingham. They have salary in Dontony Vincenzo. they want to go their noise read route that's available to them they have moves to move around and i think we've seen them being in the conference finals multiple times in a row so we can give them the credit that we know when this team clicks and has everything they need around and they have a high as high as i have a ceiling as anybody in the conference clearly they're there yeah i think

like their their one move is is obviously like very very clear yeah of what they have to do but they also they have they have one move also in the idea of like you can't mess up your you're your one Yeah, they need a guard And they need to figure out their defensive identity And get that back Which I think that we can give that Assume that it'll happen It's happened every time

With Rudy Gobert and this era And the guard move is right there In front of our faces Right now I don't want to admit it But it might be Their bottom five in defense right now Yeah

That's outrageous I have to just assume That that that won't be the case Going forward I have to assume that small sample size And a rough start Yeah That's true

Yeah I can't put too much buy into team stats like that just said when we traditionally know them to be that but you are like you guys are right uh like the whole naz read and julius randall conversation being the lone bigs out there whose defense are the complete opposite of ruddy go bear asking nazaree to like produce positively when he's not shooting well is like asking me to fly her wings out of my back right now it's not happening brother you know yeah and they can trade one or i think they can trade if i'm looking correctly up to two first on picks right now so They have a move to make.

They have Rob Dillingham and up to two first-time picks. If a really good guard that compliments Anthony Edwards becomes available, I think it'll be heavy on the market. Yeah.

Yeah, they are one move away. Rockets. They're real contenders. That's a real contender. They're real contenders. Do we want to, is there any argument for one move away

given the guard situation or do we want to say their strengths are so strong anyways that yes, they have this fatal flaw now. I shouldn't even say fatal. They have this apparent flaw now post Fred Van Vendliet

but they're still an extremely good offense and we know what they can do defensively. Are they still a real contender despite the weakness. Yes, because I think the fact that, the fact that, one, you don't have Fred and you still have the best offense in the league, I think that in itself is like,

we have to grade you on what we've seen and not the hypothetical of what could have been coming into the year. And they've been awesome. We talked about it last week how they've already made adjustments into not starting the double big lineup and putting Okie in the starting lineup and having more spacing. we're seeing an offensive leap from from shangoon you're seeing kd b kd like everything is working for them and they are starting to figure out when to when to push certain buttons when to use certain certain lineups and certain looks i i love it yeah yeah i agree everyone's settling into

their offensive role and it's all starting to make more and more sense as time goes on it's already made more sense today one they're number one in offense they're number one in net rating they have the best true shooting percentage in the entire NBA for what's that for what that's worth as well Amen Thompson is not chucking threes and like trying to prove to everyone like hey look I've been trying to work on and developing it

like that's completely scaled down in the first game of the year we saw him take like 10 threes made none of them disgusting work and last night he went one for three and he put up like what 28 points as well so crazy yep people were saying

we got the new young jaw across from him oh shit spooky I love I love when we talk about that in them. We'll get to them. We'll do them next. I love that Shangoon's scoring is no longer so relied upon because that has always been the biggest holdup I have with him being the engine of an offense is that Shangoon is a very unique player obviously. He is incredible with the way he can move at that size. He is a walking mismatch that draws double teams nonstop and is one of the

best point centers in the NBA because he creates so many opportunities by the simple fact that you probably don't have anybody on your team that can guard him one-on-one and he's a physical load that gets a lot of free throws and like I said makes you double team him. He's not particularly good at finishing his plays for himself he's not horrible at it but he's that type of like think about those like 20 and 10 point guards that don't have efficient scoring ever but like they get a lot of opportunities because of usage and you want the ball in their hands because the playmaking that's kind of like him from the five position it's below average rim finishing trying to say he's six 10 tray young i guess kind of no no he is he's kind of like six 10 jama rant in that he's really

good at having the physical trace to create a paint touch and get the play moving but the flutter doesn't fall all the time and it looks kind of ugly with kevin durant he's so good at setting him up Kevin Rand's the best finishing, play finisher from a wing we've ever seen. That fit has been so seamless that the night that Sengoon's shot isn't falling for himself doesn't matter because he's creating open looks for KD all the time. That fit is so unbelievably perfect at bringing out both their strengths. I'm following real contenders. Yeah.

They have, I mean, like you said, they have the best net rating in the league right now. You're getting a really good version of Jarvis Smith Jr. too, which his contract looks awesome right now. Yep. Tori's is shooting like 40% from three as well. all the real plays is hitting that's a good way to get in one offensive rating yeah

every everyone three point shooters that helps a lot and Josha coaches look great he looks like a perfectly fine Dylan Brooks replacement for the league minimum yeah

Grizzlies um bad and not fun I don't think that they're fun right now are they playing bound though you think they're gonna get it together

right now folks are talking about trade genre man I don't think they're it's favorite to put them in playing in bound as we speak bad but not fun they are certainly not fun

yeah we talked about it on the stream last week, we did the whole John Morant spieled the whole debate about his presence in the league, what he means for this team, should they move on, et cetera. They have to either trade him or fire their coach. That means to become abundantly clear. They are not going to go a whole season with Isola

and John Morant coexisting. And the new discourse online, I've seen a lot of Grizzies fans say that Yosola is a problem in Jaws right because the discourse around this European scheme that he's implemented, that the thing that really, really bothers Jha and even Jaron, but he's just not complaining about it,

I think, is the fact that they do these four-minute stints in the rotations. So they want the idea of, think about how Mike Booneholz always use, John is throughout all the years, where he plays less minutes than you'd want to see from an MVP, but that's because he plays incredibly hard and gets tired. That's kind of the new modern approach they're applying to their whole team. Everybody plays four minutes at a time. They want you to play balls to the walls, get you out, get you refreshed, come back in

for another four minutes of balls to the walls and just be everybody fresh at all times, deep roster that we really rotate nonstop. John Moran hates that. American players hate that because they cannot get a rhythm and that's how they used to playing their entire lives and you're not seeing them get the benefits of that system. They don't play particularly hard.

They don't create a lot of turnovers. They aren't a great defensive team. They're on a good rebounding team. None of the strengths are there but you're alienating your best players because they're not buying into this. Either you've got a trade job and get players that will buy into the system

that are fit for playing four minutes at a time extremely hard or you made a mistake not doing a coaching search like we said and just hiring you solo right away. They also have and maybe we can maybe we can put them at one move away and the one move away and that's either fire firing your coach or trading job

um wait see they're one move away from being playing bound one move away we are several moves away yeah i it's so it's so interesting because even after we had that conversation like we're like yeah you know vibes are just bad da-da-da-da-da then the vibes got worse yeah i think they have to fire he solo i'm not gonna lie i don't even know if he's a bad coach he's not a fit for this team and i think it would be it's way easier to fire him it just doesn't this this It's very frustrating because it just doesn't make sense because now you fire him less than, first of all, fired your last coach with nine games left in season, ridiculous. You fired this coach 10 games into the season and you didn't do a proper search or anything.

You have now wasted about 18 months or not 19 months, but like you wasted at least a year. Well, they're not going to fire him right away. I think they might have to fire him eventually. But the big thing is they need Ty Jerome, who getting him was a big part of the ability to get rid of Desmond Bain. that's another ball hand that don't have right now and they need Zach Edie who he's a big part of going back to a heavy pick and roll scheme he's a great pick and roll big right now the starting lineup

is John Morant, Jaron, Jaron Jackson Jr., and three fifth options, three players that should be the worst offensive player on your team. Yeah and then on top of that too, KCP is KCP he had, he's coming off of a bad year over there in Oregon. Still can't shoot. Still can't shoot. Jalen Wells, he was a good rookie last year but still he's someone who progressed

at least when he comes to shooting so far this year. You don't have any explosiveness in terms of guys who can really pound the fucking ball while also being a threat from the three point three point line. So there's so much like in between stuff in Jaws game that it's not only Jha like any regular NBA player like needs to thrive. So it's like the actual on the core product on the court product stinks. And then Jha and his like whatever's going on internally makes this thing so much worse than it is. When it comes to like how they're going to get out of this, I don't know. know, but when it comes to, hey, where we have him on his list?

Perfect range. Dude, they're profoundly cooked. We just talked about several big flaws. The roster isn't good enough. You have two players that are out that would make the roster probably passable in terms of talent. They're not here. You have no margin for error with any more injuries.

You've got to hope they come and you have to hope you stay 100% healthy to reach a talent threshold. Your coach isn't being maximized because the players don't fit him. We're unsure if the idea that he's trying to bring in from that European mindset is even a good idea to begin with with NBA players. We don't know that to be certain, but we know for certain your best players. aren't jelling with that. And we know for certain those players

don't have the best trademarker right now, so you probably got to keep them. This is a lot of problems that has no clear connective fix for all of that. You have to choose a path that won't feel great either way. You have to take a calculated risk, whether it's siding with job, which is obviously risky,

or siding with a coach, that you have no real reason to believe it work. And that is why. That's what ultimately, I do think you're right, because, like, you remember when the Cavs fired David Blatt and, like, the whole first half of the year was just weird and LeBron is sending very, you know, he's doing...

Cryptic stuff. Yeah, he's doing, exactly. He's doing LeBron things, doing all of that stuff. You could live with that because you still had LeBron and Kyrie and they were still at the top of the league. They were still winning. And so you can kind of close your eyes and turn a blind eye. When you are three and six, we lost four in a row and the only teams below you in

the standings are the Pelicans and the Mavericks, that's not a good place to be. And so I do think that he probably, he's probably going to get fired by. before, you know, before Christmas. If it keeps going like this, because even last night, there's so many plays where some of the turnovers that Jha had looked so bad. And it looked like they were being caused from just a pure lack of effort. I don't give a damn where this ball goes. And having bad vibes in press conferences and on the floor, that just can't happen.

You know what's funny? He might not get fired right away because their GM is also an analytical nerd. and as was made them so good in their scouting department for all these years. Climing, there's a reason he loves this idea of Isola

because this is a very forward-thinking analytical mindset like we said came from European basketball. I wish he was on a team that can give this idea a chance because I would love to see this.

I wish he was coaching the nets or some shit where like it's just a bunch of young players with nothing to prove that aren't making $35 million that will buy into this because that's intriguing. That idea of doing that

full-on rotation pattern where everybody has full energy that feels like the logical next step to what we saw in the Patriots last year that if you had the right scheme that could work really well this is just not that at all clearly

John Moran's clearly the worst fit possible personality wise for that I feel bad because I do want to see that go to Sacramento type yeah I'm gonna see him go to a team like that that's that's where he'll coach the Bulls like that's sounds like he's gonna do something like Billy Donovan's doing yeah but then again every every business fan

is like I hear him explain himself and I'm like what the fuck is this guy talking about so maybe maybe he's not a head coach I don't know we'll see it sounds crazy too it works Lakers one move away or do you want to say the real contenders without seeing LeBron James and them being what six and two

five and two or whatever it is six and two me personally seven and two seven and two and they're gonna go nine and two because next they're playing the hawks and o'clock off of a back to back on the hawks and then they're playing the hornets with no lamello ball so presumably they should be nine and two you're about to enter the moogaineator man

you're about to experience that yes sir but after a playing tournament game they better be up for the NBA Cup they better give all their energy to the Emirates NBA Cup you won a game that you weren't supposed to win against the blazes. You're going to lose one that you're not supposed to. Hopefully it's not one of those two, but maybe. I think you guys are real contenders. And what I've been seeing from Luca this year, bro, seeing just how effortless it is once again for him to just attack

the paint. He's put up 17 points in the paint this year. He's, he is insane. Aiton, I goddamn hate my life, but he's genuinely bought in defensively. Dude, what are you seen from Marcus Smart? He's one of the best free agency signings. This is so insult. And from why I hate it, but you'd rather hear it come from my mouth in his. I swear to God, this is the best outcome for us right now and all the listeners. And I can't even, I can't even disagree because last night, Luca was going crazy against the Spurs and I texted, I texted Isaac,

I texted the rest of our fantasy basketball chat. And I was like, man, Luca's going to win a chip for the Lakers. Because he had a, there was, there was a, it was a play. And I had the, I had the game on mute. So I wasn't hearing the official commentators. But he had a, he had a sequence where he hit a, He had a step back three, then came back down on the other end, got a steal,

threw a lot of day and doing all that, right? We go to commercial, they put the camera on Luca, he's walking in. When I tell you, I heard the NBA Finals music in my head as, and I saw Luca just walking in slow-mo and I heard the finals and it was- Your Uncle's tweaking, man. I saw it, I saw it, and I saw that like game three. You got to get thrown your meds again, man. I saw that game three, Lucas having 40 points. the Lakers are winning this pivotal game three, whatever, like, it's going to happen.

And at this point, it feels like everything that we were wanting to see last year of like, Oh, Luca's upset. This is that. He had a whole year, a whole all season to get adjusted to being in L.A., getting his body right, refocusing on, okay, I'm not playing for the Mavericks anymore. This is what I have to do. And the numbers that he's putting up and the spurts that he goes on. Yeah.

it's it's different and so when he's doing that and Austin Reeves like I saw somebody somebody sent out a post of all the players from I forget what specific draft I think the 21 draft and they're like it's crazy that there's a guy that's averaging 31 6 and 5 who's not mentioned here you have that and then you have LeBron on the way they're good yeah they're really good yeah I hate it so much and then on top of that too bro Marcus smart he's shooting 40% from the field, 23% from the three point line. Turnovers here and there, dump plays once in a while here and there. Doesn't matter because energy-wise, presence-wise, outside of Luca and maybe Aitn for

the sake of just being big, there's no one else on this roster who's played right now, outside of Austin Rees 2, who's more important than him. Ultimate Spark Plug. After night one, when they lost the Golden State Warriors in their first game together. I got a lot of tweets, a lot of tweets coming at me. talking about DeAnd Drayton, talking about the stock that I've bought in over the past two years on the show, where I've repeatedly come up here and said, I promise you, he's not the worst player in the NBA like you're always talking about.

You guys are painting him in the most broad strokes ever, talking with just the most cliche, like, terminology for a player that is on a team that you don't watch. Where would you have them in the league right now? In terms of the centers? I haven't thought about that a single time. I don't know. Middle of the pack of starters probably. But everybody, I said it on the summer we did our shows, I said he can be like the 17th best

center for them, and I'll be very happy for that contract. They call me wishful. They call me ignorant. They called me biased. They told me I was an idiot for believing in the Iron Jaden simply by saying he can be good enough of $8 million a year

that it would be a value for them considering the fact that I need a big and considering the fact that playing with Luca, LeBron, and Reeves is an amazing situation. And after night one, there's a lot of victory lappers in my Twitter DMs telling me

he's worse than dirt. I got 81 more games with this. Your DMs, yo, y'all are hateful, man. They are so, they are ready to jump on my throat. And he has been exactly what I said he would be. The mid-range jumper has been a weapon for the team. He has been a solid finisher

playing off of Luca, a good compliment to Jackson Hayes where they have the really crazy athletic vertical lop threat versus the skilled big man and Aten. His defense has been very good, had a lot of key sops last night.

Everything about him that we hope could happen in the best case scenario has been here. He is trying because he's on the Lakers and you have to try playing next to these guys and he isn't a contract year.

He has to try. Everybody that was talking about him was talking about him from perspective of seeing negative highlights and not talking about the actual strength and weaknesses. He is a real player that has good things

is that good with, things he's bad at, and we're seeing that pay dividends. Yeah, JJ Redick is getting the absolute most out of him. And also he's playing, like, within himself and also outside of himself in terms of doing things that he's not used to doing, which is sacrificing certain levels or touches of his game and just letting it come to him. Like, he's playing so smart by not forcing up shots, not being like, hmm, this is my, this is my time to go ahead and get my shoulder into a guy and post mid-range fadeaway. None of that is happening right now.

So you say that. That's exactly what I mean. always done that. He played winning basketball before the Blazers. We forget what he did on the suns. And I got the guy was never coming back. He's playing the exact same way he did last time he was playing games that matter. And he's clearly a player that needs to be playing games that matter or he's going to drift off and become everything we saw, the trouble is that was so negative. If some guy needs a right certain scenario to get the best out of him, thank God he's in that and thank God we're only paying him $8 million a year. Let's give it 20, 25 games. And he might be

worse. He might shoot worse. He might shoot worse. All I need is a 17th best center in the league and I think we're going to get that you're going to get the 21st you're going to be happy I'm 21st who's the 21st percent of the league right now I don't know I don't know but that's what I think I had I think I had him at 24 okay 24 see 24 is like that's crazy to me but this is a stupid conversation so therefore but nevertheless I could see them being one move away if you want to say they need to make that you went to the final exactly you know you don't need a whole lot to make this work for Luca that that's all you need Daniel Gaffer got there

But yeah I've been very happy with that Obviously everything you said We can both be right honestly In a vacuum He might be the 24th best center And that's what I mean And that might be okay

Because Luca is top three We're both right That's all I'm still gonna call him 24th set of his sister That's all I meant the whole time We have a very low bar What we need and he will give us that Correct

We can both be right 100% He can be a bumma you don't want But he's my bum and he's just good enough For what we need Yeah, Marcus Smart's been great Best case scenario there La Ravia's been great Smart's so frustrating

I don't The fact that they're gonna have LeBron to this team Everyone has had so many tears So many forced issues that people want to wish into existence about the LeBron fit Bro, they played together last year

It was completely fine LeBron's been begging to do this We saw him in the Olympics Playoff ball just fine He's gonna be incredible playing off of Luca Donchish and Austin Reeves That'll make this team amazing When that happens

They still have the ability to trade some of their bad salaries And I picked go get A Dylan Brooks and Andrew Wiggins whoever that may be to be a big wing defender they are going to be extremely good especially if they make that trade they're going to be a top three team in the West yeah and I'm just

waiting to the points where we see they're already real contenders because we feel confident by what they've done with all these guys going in and out constantly like we've seen Luke in there by himself just last night awesome reason playing the last three games outside last night by himself we've seen them together like maybe once or twice

or whatever it is LeBron hasn't played just yet too the ceiling is high for this team he's only playing eight five games this year. Lucas average of 40. He was averaging 45 a couple games ago. Austin Reeves average like 31, 10 and 9 or some crazy like that.

LeBron James is on the way. I know we talk about him like he's old, like he's 41, can't do anything. He's still LeBron James. He's still an all-star. This team is adding an all-star. He's average of 40. And he's getting a teammate better than Kyrie,

which he went to the finals with. He's walking through those doors in like a week. enough thought we need a new team it's gonna be a ridiculous team and also the team is right now the vibes are insane the fact that Luke is not complaining that much he's like so happy go lucky

him and Austin Reeves are in love dude he has a jackass and JJ Jaredick just right right next to him brother the same people yeah Marcus Smart 2 is always yapping as well on the court the dynamic is amazing him and Austin Reeves are in love

they have the best bromance in the NBA LeBron's gonna love that he's gonna come into that and add to those positive vibes make all his dad jokes it feels like this is one of those years where everything goes right for this team and it's just like a team of destiny.

Like in terms of for their standards, you know? Like I still don't think they win a championship, but like everything coalesced. That's not for their standards. Okay, whatever it means. And maybe I shouldn't use that verbiage, but I think everything's coalescing to get best case scenario in a way that.

Lakers fans trying to play the underdog car. We're just a fun lovable team. It is, though. You are the Lakers. Sure. You can't have both. I'm not going to let you have both. Okay, whatever.

But you know, like they had these goofballs that everybody hated. And Marcus Smart, Aiton, JJ Reddick's an unknown he's a podcaster everything's coming together in a perfect way that feels like

so lucky that we're getting the best case scenario and everything that's what I'm just like I feel like this is insane like I can't believe nothing's going wrong

something will eventually obviously we'll see we'll see I'm having a great time I'm watching every single game this year I'm not taking any breaks

or anybody Lebron is clear for five on five contact too I'm not missing a second of Lakers basketball this year Jackson Hayes

looks better too Lebron Luke has literally changed his broke-ass life, and he will forever. He literally was like, Derek Clively. A little bit worse defensively. A lot worse defensively, but yeah, pretty much. We don't do the Hawks.

Okay. Fuck, man. Play and bound, we can keep a pushing. We've talked enough about the Hawks over the course. We talked too much about the Hawks throughout the course of preseason this year for a team that is still mid and Trayong is hurt. Plainbound. I guess right now, for the state of this team,

it's the best that I can ask for considering our best players hurt. defense is disappointing I am my expectations for the guys individually and John Johnson he's reached them he needs to play better defense of course I hate like the second where star players

realize their stars after a couple of years in the NBA career and then they realized I could get away like without trying hard you don't have to do little things anymore because you're you got to check and you are the guy you got all the stats he's in that mode right now

prosengis is perfect persingis Dexon Daniels has like turned up these last few games Nikale Alexander Walker is averaging like 17, 18 points a game efficiently. When he's our lead ball handler, I close my eyes, but when he's not, when he just have the ball on his hands, I open my eyes once again. This team is like, it's good. I expect your defense to carry. That's all my expertise right now.

What trade's out? Oh, what trade is out? Yeah, exactly. To carry to the seven seat? Okay. That's all I'm asking for, man. Pelicans? Relegation.

Relegation. Hey, they've won two and a. row without Zion. Or is a two in a row or just won? They won last night without Zion. Yeah, because they played the other worst team in the week. Derek Queen was really good. I think he has to be amazing to justify the trade. But if they somehow win some games and they give the Hawks like the ninth pick or something and not a top three, Derek Queen's playing very good. This trade might not be a disaster if they find a way to start winning some games. This has nothing to do. We've said it over and over. Oh, I agree. This has nothing to do with Derek

Queen. But in practice, it might end up not being a disaster. No, for it not to be a disaster, you have to win games. You have to win 50 games. And that means that everything else around this team has to come together and you guys have to be a positive team. You're going to end up being one of the worst five teams in the league. And so because of that, this trade is going to be a desert. Derek Queen can be a hall of failure. And the fact that you did not win 50 games this year that you did not foresee any type of situation where your star player who gets hurt every single year, right? And granted, even whenever he was playing. They suck, so I'm not going to put it all on the line.

But that you could not think two months prior, hey, maybe we aren't going to be that good. When you told everybody, yeah, we're not really at the playoff stage of our development. Then why the hell did you trade your pick? That's, that's disastrous. It's also the dumbest thing ever because they could have easily called up the GM of the Hawks and been like, we'll give you this trade, 23 to move up to 13, 2026 first round pick. Top 10 protected.

He would have said yes in a heartbeat. If you made, he would have been top five protected. I went to AP, spent $200K, told me the frost rainbow face to help her fall off, ain't no way. Man, I love my life right now, man. But shout out of Derek Queen. Derek Queen looks very good.

Him in Fears. Looks like to be, that's a good duo. You didn't have to pay this much to get him, but you got them anyways, and that's the new outcome. That's the part is looking good. We have a few diamonds in the rough. I think that's my favorite story of the offseason

is that whenever this trade was going down, the Hawks, the Hawks asked him multiple times if that was the deal because they were like, They were like, wait, what? Like, okay, so like, so unprotected, right? Yes? Okay, okay, got you.

One last time. One last time. It's unprotected just to make sure, right? Like, you're not, you're not playing around? Okay, cool. The second time, the second time, the Hawks say, are you sure? I'm like, actually, no, I'm not sure. I'm making up the phone.

Dallas Mavericks. So they're not good. This is an utter disaster. The whole AD era and the whole bet on being a win-out team. with this trade. Utter dog shit. This is a different conversation. I think that we're in a phase

where they probably should trade Anthony Davis. That's the music coming more and more clear as days go on. Ripped the bend it off. Tank, try to get a top three pick this year, get a running mate for Cooper Flag to build out of a young core, maybe get some more picks for AD

and just full-on commit to going the other way. We'll see if Nico has the heart to do that. Different conversation. Before the product this year, they just benched Clay Thompson to start D'Angler Russell. Thank God they're finally playing a point guard next to Cooper Flag.

They are now one to know in the Clay Thompson benching Congratulations. Actually, no, no, they lost, didn't they? Yeah, they lost last time. They're mine, never mind. They ended up losing. I forgot, they got hawked.

They ended up losing. So their own one in this era, they lost to another bad team. They lost the Pelicans. Yeah. So it's pretty over for me. They're not good. Yeah. There's no play inbound right now. Right now they are one of the bad tiers.

Are we going to give them fun because they had Cooper Flag? No. Or is it's a shit depressing? Even watching, the only time I'm having fun watching Cooper Flag right now is when he's in transition. Like, that's like literally one of the 10 most fun things you could watch as an NBA fan right now. But outside of that, there's nothing good happening. I don't enjoy seeing Clay Thompson shoot the ball and the ball go behind his head into the sideline. Like that's just terrible things to watch right now. And I understand the, of course, like the brain trust of wanting to force

Cooper Flet to be the standalone point guard that didn't last that long. And we see Jason Kidd walking back what he initially thought would pay dividends. And this hasn't, at least not yet so far. And then when it comes to the different conversation to whether or not they should trade AD or not. Obviously, I don't think that's going to happen because you're asking your GM, Nico, to eat his words. Oh, fire him first. That part's clear.

I forgot to say that. Yeah, fire him, then trade AD. Yeah, that's probably the smarter thing to do. But even then, it's like, where you want to, you at least want to give him time. What I do at fuck, no, but you should give him time. I don't want to give him time. Yeah.

I don't at all. I think, you know, things could always go better. They can get carried back and be a good team like we thought they'd be, at least a decent team, eight seed like we predicted. That's all possible. I think they're getting the worst case in here right now injury-wise, so they're going to be in a big enough hole that at that point is, is it even worth

holding out to try and be the eight-seed? Or do we see the power of this ridiculous draft class and tear this pitch to the studs in a quick one-year turnaround? We already have Cooper Flagg. We already have our life raft. We're not exactly taking a bad bet. We're not going to reducing the zero. We're just getting him a young core teammate. It makes all the sense in the world. Hopefully they

put Nico out behind the shed on the way there. I hope so, man. There's nothing This is relegation, by the way. A relegation? This is relegation. I think if you go, if you go point by point for everything that you just said, if we were in the Premier League, you'd be in the bottom three, you'd be in the bottom three. You'd be, you'd be relegated. That's one.

There's one Cooper flag away from being relegated. That's the only thing. You sold everybody on the dream that your team is going to be able to compete for a championship in the next three years and that you would be able to at least maintain. be an eight seed before Kyrie gets back and then once you get Kyrie and AD and Cooper Flag now we're going to be able to make a run that's clearly not happening you just

lost to the other team who we have in relegation that's ridiculous we're talking about AD being traded the guy that you just traded for seven months ago and obviously like listen they may not be at the top of their priority at the top of the white boy they might not

actually be thinking about that but the fact that it's actually a conversation about hey you might have to move on because it's not looking good and we saw those signs coming in from the off season. None of this is good. I will say the only thing that I don't think they should be in relegation because I think they can hang

their hat on something. We did come into this season talking about how, you know, this team is one of the biggest teams in the entire league. 80s out, of course, but even with him out, that still stands to be true. Having lineups with Derek lively, Gaffert's always always going to be in another consistently.

PJ Washington's there. like they're legit big team and there are top five defense still through all the issues the offense completely different conversation i think go ahead the 29th and offensive rebounding despite you and i'm just about to say that yeah if you had a team full of jaron jackson juniors would you would you be happy would you would you be happy if everybody's seven feet and we can't get everybody seven feet everybody's missing shots and we can't get a damn offensive rebound no no we can't we can't do that i think we're not going to relegation just because they have cooper flag and if everybody's being relegated and it loses its lusts

but they're flirting with it. Nico, you're lucky, you got lucky in the lottery, otherwise you'd be flirting with relegation. Denver Nuggets, real contenders. Real contenders. Not much needs to be said there. Jomal Murray is coming to the season, looking in shape, playing well.

Yokish has had one of the craziest statelines last night that I've ever seen, and nobody gives a fuck because he's Yokic, and we've seen that a million times. Aaron Gorton is now a sharpshooter. The only question mark is, are we ever going to see Cam Johnson play well? I don't know. We're still on watch, waiting for a good game.

My kind of take one to that, is it might be really hard to be the fifth option in this offense because there's so many ball handlers and it might just be really hard to get good production from that position it might be a pattern we recognizing but I don't know at some point he has to play better to make some shots yeah I think it's just like a fitting and thing and as time goes on like he did have a good shooting game last night at least from the three point line bare minimum and I think as time goes on like he's just going to get more comfortable but I feel I feel very confident of this team what's been the most surprising to me is how well defensively they've been playing

I think as we speak, of course, like it's two, three weeks into the season, their top five defense. That's something that I've never been able to say since even their like championship year, you know, and is this going to be real? I don't know. I'd probably bet it's not. But seeing the growth overall, you know, that makes you even more of a real contender. Yep. Golden State Warriors. Are we going real contender?

Are we going solid playoff team? Obviously, they've, we've seen some games where they look like they're begging to be on fraud watch. We've also seen what that core can do and we saw them start their season extremely strong We kind of have an idea of what they are when they're fully healthy And that's a very good veteran savvy team That has young players that are Continue to get better

Moses Moody had a crazy game last night Camigas had lots of bright flashes this season I don't know if they have a move to make To be one move away Do we feel like there's something that we see As a clear weakness they can address No I think they are

They are a solid playoff team Right now And I think they're also the they're in the same boat as the Knicks were like they just my feeling about them would change with time yeah and if everybody can can stay healthy um and if everybody can be clicking at the same time then then i can get to a point where maybe we go into the playoffs and say like the wars they like they can knock people you know knock people off and it's kind of the same thing from last year in the playoffs where you know in a playoff series the words are going to they're going to go they're going to

execute very, very well. You're going to get Steph some shots. I think, yeah, I don't know if they're one move away because that move coming into the year was trading Kaminga. Kaminga's been really good. So I don't think that they would want to trade them at this point. So I think solid playoff team is fine. Okay.

I think there's two teams we can quickly throw into play inbound looking together that are both very fun, solid teams that have solidified themselves as being in that playing range, probably on the upper end of that playing range. And if you tell me, things go the way and they get to six. or whatever, that's also possible, Miami Heat and Trailblazers. Oh, hell yeah. Those are both the same teams as me right now. Those are both going to be very pesky seven seeds that have really, really reinvented

themselves in certain ways. Miami Heat have this new offense doing a lot of the Noah LaRoche things that the grizzly did last year, lots of movement, attacking closeouts, no screens in the half court, keeping the ball moving. They call it a wheel is the schematic name for it. They continue to rotate in a circle around the court. Everybody attacks mismatches. Cook his ass ball.

I love it. Yeah, it's really good in the half court. And the difference to them in the Grizzlies is there playing. playing outrageously fast in transition. They are moving the games that it works and they catch a team off guard like they're against the Lakers in the first half. How many Hawkes looks like a fucking tank

attacking in transition. It is hard to stay in front of these guys. 17. Good job. Showblazers. Everything that we thought they could be this great defense that offense might be a question mark.

It's looking like the best version of that because Denny of Dia is currently playing like an All-Star. Dude, his ability to just, again, like he added on to this from last year he's a fucking tank. He got like, he went to the line like 15, 16 times.

He was dog shit for the first three quarters of the game last night. He didn't score a single fucking bucket field goals specifically until the fourth quarter turned it on. Locked in. He looks like an all-star. Yeah, he's currently the average in 24 points per game up from, I think, 18 last year. It's a big difference. That's a huge difference. That's going from best role player in the league to you're playing at an all-star level.

Yeah. I don't know if that'll sustain or not. But it feels real, man. I don't know. Shout out to Tiago Splitter because, I mean, in the Tiago Splitter era, they've been hooping. And they were the ones, like, they knocked off the thunder. they ended their undefeated streak and their brand of basketball is obviously.

Did you know they have an Asian Shador Sanders situation on their hands? They keep out, all these reporters that are there for Hansen, they keep asking him all these questions but when he's in a play and Tiago was like,

listen to your man. He's working hard. He's trying to get in shape. Not rushing anything. He's like, I don't know what to say to you. He's not ready. Yeah. A lot of viewers

are wanting to see him play across the world. Do you know how sick you got to be if you are a hardcore fan of Hansen and then you go ahead and travel thousands of miles to see him play just to figure out

but what do you mean he's playing with the G league right now that's a skill issue that is a definition of a skill issue wow that's a bad business investment

you know you should be sick with yourself because you are an idiot first again that's going to happen like that is an unwise financial decision yeah man

you traveled across the world to go to Portland Oregon to watch a bench woman that's their goat that's on you watch them home when you were when you were unsure

who's in a player now that's a bad business decision but yeah they're It's been very good. Drew Holiday, it looks revitalized. We're hoping we get one more good year of him being a lead ball handler. Just looking about as good as we could hope for.

He has a little more juice left than him. Who's the next team? We don't do the Raptors. Are they also playing bound? No, I think for me personally, they've played themselves, especially these last like three or four games into solid playing team. They're four and four now.

Off a three-game win streak. Yeah. I think that trio of R.J. Barrett, Brandon and Grum, Scottie Barnes, are looking fantastic. I agree. Launch IQ into the sun. Yeah, launch IQ with the sun. son. I've won them. We say there's a lot of teams, so it's not really possible. If they could,

they would. They need a stretch five, I think, for that solid play with those three wings. They're dying to have more spacing out there. And I think Yaakov's looked a little better since he came back from injury, but that, you know, hasn't been perfect fit there. I still have my concerns of the one in the five. I don't see them being, like, I think solid playoff teams, like, you can win a series. No, we can like, you're, you're, you win a series and things break your way, you can get to compete with the real contenders. Yeah, that's not them. I don't know. I think they're not a when i think of solid playout team for me personally i think okay you can take any given team to like six games in the first that's not let's change the bar no it could

i think soloplayout teams means we think you can win a series i think that has to be the bar otherwise that that tier doesn't mean much oh that i don't know if the bulls can win a series whatever whatever whatever you're gladys i'm we're looking at their moment whatever from that forward i think i think if you can't win a series you shouldn't be solid play out team you're not solid if you can't win a series you know uh man i think they're solid i think they me personally, I think they can win a series. Seeing what they've been able to do offensively and having these three guys come into one.

Against who? R.J. Barry, they have the sixth best offense in the league right now. Who are they beating? Who are they beating? They have a chance. They have a punch of chance. No, no, no. Who are they beating?

I think you're just... I think if you face off against the Orlando Magic in the first round, yeah, you could have fidget of them. I think if you face off against... There's a playing game right there. Exactly. That's a playing in game. Are you trying to say the playing in the playoffs on the same thing? It's not.

Okay. But I do feel good about them. Much better than you guys right now. It's not a serious. I don't feel bad about them. I feel bad about them. Being a playing team isn't I feel bad about you. That's a good tier to be in.

Those are good teams. Okay, I will say, I am projecting my mind right now. They can play themselves into solid playoff team right now. You just have seen it in the east. Just a couple weeks. Like,

you're here because like the tournament has to happen. I don't think they're terrible. I don't think they're the worst team in this division right now. I'm not in this division in this tier. But I don't, I don't hate them. I think Scottie Barnes look really good. I think his defense has been great.

I like to fit with him in Ingram as expected. I think it relieves a lot of pressure off of Scotty Barnes. And RJ Barrett's playing out of his mind. So as long as this keeps up, they're a solid team. And I think Darko is a good coach. Yeah, I don't hate them. Yeah. That's some bad news for you.

Yeah, but again, they're not winning a playoff series in my mind. But I think they deserve to be in playing bound. I don't know. Seeing the growth within them and then seeing how Conmarry Boyles has made like a tremendous impact on both ends of the floor too, seeing how Darko are also like changed and developed as a coach and realize like, yo, like me sending harsh doubles and all that and pressing up

up 100% of the time probably isn't the breast of coach for this specific team right now. Regating it, relegating to that, I think the stealing for the team will eventually be into a solid playoff team. Not now, that's fair to say. But I see the framework

and I'm starting to buy into it as time. No, this is? Pandering? Yeah. It's not. Positively, I like the team. I like the team. No, I believe you. I'm just kidding.

Yeah, I mean, if you tell me they get there. I also, I don't believe you. I don't believe you pandery, but I think you're being wishful with them just because I don't see them getting hired in the six or probably seven seed. Look at the teams at the top of the conference. Six is the best outcome. If they beat the Knicks or they beat the Cavs, I'll burn down Madison Square Guard in my own. I think they're a very respectable team.

I just think from where they're probably going to be in the conference unless we get some shitters, if you see the bucks fall off, the pissons fall off or whatever in the middle of that and they get out of the plane. then maybe they get a good matchup, but considering I think they're going to be coming from seven or eight, I don't see them winning win. But they're not a disaster, which is nice. Yeah. Shout out the Ingram thing,

it's paying some dividends. Utah Jazz. They're fun as fuck to watch. Not good, but fun. Our first team. There's some shit. Their logo is bad as out. It is.

That's hilarious. One of my favorite players to watch this year has easily been Keonté George. Like, he completely shifted the entire, framework of his game. He doesn't go ahead and take hell of threes anymore. He cut his three points by half, still not shooting too well. But we all know at the end of that he's, that's not a weakness of his game at all.

He's a demon. And he continues to prove to be a demon when it comes to attacking the room. He shooting like 9, 10, Frito's a game. He shooting 71% at the rim. That's All-Star type stuff. I'm not calling him an All-Star, of course. But he has completely changed how, like, the Utah Jazz, at least, should look at him as a guard in terms of, like, this guy's guard one. He is no longer going to be fighting for his position with Isaiah

Collier. Walter Clayton Jr. has looked great as well, very underrated rookie. His playmaking is so important to this team and what Will already wants to do. This is a good team. I like watching them a lot. I like watching too. Sucks Walker Kess was hurt. I'm not, I'm slowing down a little bit on what you said about Kiante George in terms of like your guard spot is solidified, but it's been nice to see the in-between game there. His floater game is ridiculous right now. It's looking like Like the inside the paint scoring In terms of finishing Getting to the Frito line and the floaters

It's fantastic You said you're not worried about the three point shot Because he shoots real well Like in terms of form factor And like he looks like a good shooter I would like to see that Become above average at some point Better than what he had last year at 35%.

So I would love to see that But it is certainly an improvement Like the inside of the arc scoring is definitely real Yeah exactly As time goes on I expect his shot to like kind of recalibrate itself And catch up to like this new play style that he has

but I feel really good about him and this team outside of course Larry's Star again Yeah It sucks that Walker Custin hurt though For the whole year That's a terrible blow For their fun factor

Yeah just five games And good guy man Listen Ace Bailey Career high nine points Cook him agrees Off of a cook stomach too I'm saying Shot 50% from the field

He's kind of out here Phoenix Suns I don't know to judge him fairly Jayne Green isn't played yet Dylan Brooks has been hurt So they're playing with like The worst team ever Around Devin Booker

Mark Williams was fun Mark Williams looks like he's at something to him Hopefully continues to develop there They just have no chance of being fun right now Because they're already a bad team It's been depleted of their fun factors So bad or nothing See I don't know

Their defense scheme You enjoy watching Sun's games It's not a bad time I will say that It's not a bad time It's not a mucky offense It's not terrible defense at all so Yeah it's competent

They're not a disaster They're not like the Pelicans Where you're like what are you doing But I don't know Like the names are rolling out there Are just like hard to be excited about I guess Yeah it's just tough

Because again they don't have Jalen Green yet. So the interesting part's going to be how do they figure out this two dynamic guard thing? Can we get a good Jalen Green experience? That's going to be kind of like the crux of their fun factor, I think. I kind of just feel bad for Devin Booker. We're going to watch them right now. Come on what do they do to my sweet boy? And because of that, that's why it's not fun. Yeah. What do they do to my baby boy? He's playing with Grayson Allen.

That's a lot of Osuig Dora minutes. But listen, that's what he wants. So go for it. He's going to be a lifer. Good for him. I expect maybe they'll get back to fun levels if they get those guys healthy and we get to see Jordan not be a good young coach that is exciting. The big men group could be fun. Yeah. I enjoy Mark Williams for the most part as long as he's not having to rotate too hard on defense. As long as he's

dunking and blocking shots. I enjoy him for the most part. He's a big guy. Yeah. Nah. Nah. They'll probably stay here. Yeah, yeah. It is. Whatever. It's fine. I'm not arguing for them. San Antonio Spurs. Number two defense in the league. Started off incredibly hot. Just lost the Lakers. Dylan Harper is out for a month. I think

it was. Remember correctly? Yeah. Missing Tom. And they are now in a spot where they do not have Darren Fox and they did not have Dylan Harper. In the last two games, we saw them have absolutely no point guards. Wemby's getting killed out there. Teams are sitting on his elbow touches, double teaming them, not let him get to the paint. He's not getting fed any easy opportunities right now because there's no point guards.

He's really having to self-create and it's too much load. It's not been a fun watch these past two games on offense. But their defense is amazing. It's okay. They are, they're still a solid playoff team. Because you saw, you saw what it was for the first couple of games before Harper got injured. So you see what the baseline. can be for them and then knowing that you're adding deer fox that it's only going to

going to get better and even last night like harper goes out sohan is is back in the lineup and that just muddies things up even more when you don't have competent ball handlers to feed everybody and to make sure that everybody is in the proper position but they are they're going to be fine the defense is legit the way every single player is scared of victor woman yama is amazing i think when they have their guards healthy i've liked what i've seen from devon vassel slotting into a good specific role for him being the shooter running off the screens the three-point shot i think has been good i haven't checked the percentages in a few days but it's felt like he's been shooting the ball really well feels like a good fit for him there obviously when they get the erin fox and they

get harper back having two great point guards on the court at all times to feed wimby the offense is going to get back on track i think right now he's overtaxed as a creator and he's struggling in these two games i assume he'll bounce back i assume we'll see maybe maybe the first few games was a blip and he's not ready to be his MVP guy i kind of think he is and i think the defense gives them in the same floor. I don't see anything lower than solid playoff team. Yeah, I agree. All of this last night's game, too, as disgusting as that game was,

and it took fucking forever to finish. I hated that. I was so tired. It was midnight. The game was still going. I was stressed out because the Marcus Smart's fucking up. Bray, with that last market smart fuck up and how Junior Champany had an opportunity to basically, like, steal the game away or

whatever. I took two melatonins, bro. I took double the doses so I could force my ass to go to sleep, get up early and take notes and shit. As soon as that happened, I was so, fucking pissed so mad I was wrong he's at 34% Devon Vassel so a couple games haven't gone too well

but yeah I've liked his role overall when all the guards are playing yeah and I wish I wish that Stefan Castle would stop being so attracted to turnovers dude he's addicted is not your lead guard I think he likes it I think he likes thrown the ball away dude he's addicted for sure

I think I had like six tonovers last night and for the season already he was already averaging five he's continuously building up on that and barrels into the paint so crazy it's it just throws the ball across the courts it feels like it feels like watching a football it feels like watching a running back where he just he goes out head down does his euro and just boom just gets body and the ball just flies everywhere it he doesn't have a plan whenever he goes to the basket he's a great defender though the defense is really good the slashing is really good

the playing making is not good at this moment which is fine because when they get fox and harper back you're not going to need to do that nearly as much so overall it'll be all right right but it's a it's a struggle insane um the spurs defensive rating when wemby's on the court him alone it's in 97 that's the best we've seen in god no 15 years he's insane yeah elite elite defense whenby's already at that point of carrying defenses to being top tier no matter what and i hope they have another move in them i hope they do some kind of trade deadline move to give them like a little run this year we'll see sacramento kings uh you know westbrook They lies, man.

They're some shit, but it's fun. They are some shit. I'm glad you're going to live with that. Yeah. I didn't watch the game last night. Big Westbrook's that line. I'm sure it was fun. I don't know.

It's not my cup of tea, but I'm biased here of not liking some of the players on this team in terms of fun factor. What do we go? Is it fun or is it? They're obviously not good. Are they fun not good or? I think it's me personally.

I think it's fun. DeMarter Rosen is going to average like 20, 21 points forever. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go fun. Yeah. Neat Clifford is. is doing exactly what I projected him to do.

Dennis Schroeder's not having fun at all. Like his life is fucking ruined because Westbrook's there. We'll give them fun just because the teams that are not fun right now are like malfunctioning despair. I hate everything about you and everything you've done to your fans. That's not the King. First, yeah, Kings fans are happy as hell.

Zach Levine is happy as hell? Yes. Their expectations are under the gutter too. They live in this reality as well. I'm not tapping then. They're happy. I haven't seen this flock of joyful Kings fans. If there's one thing...

I didn't know they existed. If there's one thing that Westbrook will do, he will play hard, and that's a baseline level of fun any shit team can have. For sure, okay. Milwaukee Bucks. I think, obviously,

there's a solid playoff team now. We've talked about them in recent weeks that they've proved us wrong. And the team proved us wrong, I guess, but really Janus has proved us wrong. And that's a weird verbiage because we all know Janus is great. His ability to backpack this team.

has been even better than we could have thought. And they obviously fit really well around him. The shooting athleticism has worked out as expected. It was just, is it going to matter when you have such a little creation around you? And Janus said, I'll just play the best basketball in my life, actually, and they'll make it not matter. Yeah. And that's worked to perfection. Ryan Rawlins looks very good.

Gary Tran's playing really well at the three. The space in the Mous Turner provides is great. There's certainly a solid playoff team. Do we want to say they won't move away? I think they're one move away. They have several picks available. Yeah, what would that move be for them? New picks available.

Bobby Portis got to be. They can get $30 million in salary. They can trade Kyle Kuzma, Bobby Portis, and a couple other small deals to get around $35 million a salary and they have a pick to trade. They have one all in move left for this season. I don't know what I want them to do.

I mean, Gary Train Jr. is your three is kind of small. So it could be getting a big wing. Do you want more creation next to Yonis? That's always helpful in a playoff setting. I don't know, but they could get a good player, what it looks like. Do we feel like add another plus starter into the playoff lineup,

do we feel like that can put them to real contenders with how good Yonis is? No. I think like you need you need a lot a lot in order to get to real contender I think right now they are a solid playoff team and even even with that one move and it's very specific in terms of like who that one player is but I'm not I'm not sure if we can get there just because and obviously he's proven that he can do this and that he is doing this he has to do so much for them for them to have chances in these games

And you have to get, like, the perfect move. And you have to have, like, the perfect circumstance of, like, luck for someone to come available with that price. Like, I'm thinking you have to get, like, when the mascot, Kyrie for one first-on-pick, that's the type of move you have to be blessed with right now. And it's hard to expect that to happen. $30 million, it doesn't go as far as you used to with top tier players. One-first-on-pick is probably valuable from the bucks, but it's not, like, mountains of assets. Yeah.

So I don't know. I don't know what's on the horizon. They're thinking of your job. I hope not. That is, like, the type of Kyrie thing I was talking about, I guess. Yeah, I think for me, if I'm thinking about what type of move, I'd like to see for this team to bolster up their playoff chances at least. He's someone like Zach Levine.

But even then he makes like a blow of money, like, damn near 50 million a year. Yeah, they can't do that. If you want to like scale down, okay, you want to try to get C.J. McCollum from the wizards to get someone who can thrive on the half-coors. He's one for 10 years today. Yeah. It's over.

It's over for, for McCullough. because I do think like for for somebody the plan was all right let's see jake him in here cook right tease the young guys everything maybe we'll have a couple games where everything looks good and they will flip him at the deadline he's playing in a way where nobody's going to want to trade for him you're right he hasn't been playing well at all but I think he's one of those players who like once you're in a new situation or whatever you're playing serious basketball he can just like get that juice back up hopefully that's what I'm hoping for I'm glad you're positive today I do not think that's the case for the bucks

I think that would probably not be the only move I want to see. Giving up a first-on-pick for CJ at this point. God, no. No, thank you. I'm good on that. So, yeah, maybe they're not, if they get the perfect one move away, maybe they can get into the low end of contender status,

but I suppose we can go solid playoff team. Yeah. I'm not sure we're going to have any more moves away. If that's the case, it might just be the Timberwolves tier. I kind of thought y'all are going to put the Lakers there. So that's why that was there. That was a Lakers-specific conversation tier.

I think they're solid. But we're here to glaze today, and I like it. Celtics. Are they playing bound? they're winning games now Jaylen Brown looks amazing as we thought his ability to scale up

his scoring is true is real Derek White not so amazing but they're gonna keep winning games as long as they really want to you know when this this motherfucker said

that he'd rather have Derek White on his team than Kyrie Irvin you remember that and not only did say that he like tripled down on that he said it several times

honestly he's probably about to quadruple down on that you're a nasty guy he's gonna stop talking he's in a fucking quintuple down on that you better not sit here

and say anything out of your mouth other than apologize eyes to the viewers, the audio listeners, and us that blasts me you put out in the world. You know, the Paul does a Kyrie Irving. Do it. Okay.

So what I really want to talk about is the fact that once again, Jela Brown's hairline ended up on somebody's shirt. I was waiting for the Celtics conversation. I cannot believe this. This is three times. There's three times. After he has already capitalized on it and gone on stream and be like, yeah, we're kind of my hair. Once again, brother, please stop

with the spray you're sweating buckets of sweat and it's it's coming off on people's jersey you know it makes it even worse all the young guys know what's going on like he's on george and uh bro he checked it new game they're like yo you got the steak man you got the cheese touch yeah that's what makes it so much worse it really is embarrassing and it sucks because that completely overshadowed his game like you said jennon brown hit 35 last night damn he is started he is starting to hoop and He is starting to be this, the player that we thought, like, that he wanted to be and that we could actually see if like, okay, you said that, you know, you can be this, this number one option.

Can you do these things? And his ability to score is really on, you know, the front page. So I like what I'm seeing from them. I think that they can be playing bound because I'm looking at the bottom of the east. And I think that, like, one of these teams is going to drop out. The magic are 11 right now. So they're going to get up there. So maybe the Celtics fall out, but I'm looking at like Miami, Toronto, Atlanta.

I'm looking at at U3, Philly just because they're always hurt. I think they're bad, but fun. I think obviously they can be the plane. If they really want to chase the plane, they can do it. I still have the core belief I had before the season that they're going to bow out because they're smart team and they know that they should try to get into the lottery because it's the last year. What do you have to gain by being the eight seed?

So that's the part of it. I think they like tangibly won't be a playing team. But even now, they're winning games. They beat some bad teams. I feel like for the plane bound tier. There's a lot of teams that might be in the playing, you know, especially in the East. Somebody just has to be there to be there. Like there has to be a last team in the Tennessee that just happens to make their way.

I think they're a tier below like the Miami Heat as a team right now. And we can put them at fun too because they're also not going to blow anybody out. And they're, I feel like they are consistently going to be the team where like when you're scrolling around games. And it's like the last five minutes of the 40s. It's like, oh, it's a one point game with the sun. Yeah. Oh, they're going to war with the Hornets. That's a fun game.

Yeah. I'll tune in. They're going to go to war with bad teams all year. and it'll definitely be fun. And maybe they'll make the plan. So this isn't to disparage them and say that they're cooked and off a chance.

It's really up to them and how much they want to tank. I don't care. Do you want to relegate the nets? Or is it because we know they're tanking and we have to respect that to some degree? No, no.

They didn't even do that right though. Yeah, we have to relegate them. Yeah. Because when they were supposed to tank, they didn't. And then now you brought... But they're taking now in a terrible draft class.

So like, I mean, in a great draft class. But they didn't tank the right way of. What's that you're tanking took five point. And none of them are thriving right now We speak I took it on the game and I was I forget who they were playing

Some other Pittsburgh team I think it was The coaches have an existential crisis This is on it during press conferences It's so bad Their product is so bad like Michael Porter Jr Good basketball I guess But outside of that like I have nothing to look forward to I feel you but they're losing games

And it might end up them getting AJ DeBanza So I'm not going to relegate them Because the guys in relegation are also losing games And they don't have their pick They're in a tier of their own right now this is a normal taking team they suck we don't like what they did in the draft last year neither here nor there

even if they drafted somebody we liked if they had Jeremiah Fears instead of Igor they would still suck so I think they're just bad enough on I'm not gonna argue against the Nets I know fucking who cares I'm just really trying to make sure

relegation is the pelicans the pelicans alone right now Clippers they're disappointing bad right now they're not so disappointing right now they're bad yeah sure

bad we can we can get to the medusha of what either bad just point whatever they're old as fuck right now and they're starting bradley bill who is not working and i think at this point tylu knows he's going to bench bradley bill but has to wait because he has a team ran by two widely veterans that respect bradley bill so they need to play that the right way to not upset james hardin and kawai but they need to bench him and more importantly if he says ubatch lost 20 pounds this summer looks dog shits the big strong center who wins in the pose office strength lost 20 pounds and who would have thought it didn't work out super well

I don't know who told him to get with Luca in the lap and get skinny it's done wonders for people that want to hate on the clippers because at least a Zubach looks so much worse you know I mean wait where's Zubach from let me make sure he's I have no idea where this is right

I don't even know what you're saying anyways yeah I think they are they probably are going to be playing bound because for me they would either be playing bound or bad but not fun Because I don't necessarily have fun watching the Clippers,

but they're clearly above that tier. I just think... The 3 and 4, they're not going to be bad. They'll be fine. I think they're bad right now. Yeah. Which is what we're doing the tier. I say they're playing around right now,

and I expect them to get back to the solid playoff team. And I don't think this is projection. This is just like sample size with me with them. Like they've lost some tough games. They obviously shit the bed in the first game. They weren't out there to play. But I don't know. I think it's one of those things that I like.

they're obviously going to be a good team like yeah it's not projection it's just like waiting out of every team so far you know what i mean like they're just it's obvious they're going to be exactly they deserve a certain level of respect like okay you guys are already old brook this is what i'm talking what is what is what is it but never mind talking about the nicks of course well no that's a different bar that's like to be a contender you can't assume someone's be contender like we have to see that you know that's a hard club to break into to say that the the the clipper's going to be the six seed like well again i wasn't even asking for contender status i was asking for one move well that's

Because you wanted to, like, make the tier name me nothing. By not saying it wouldn't, by not naming a move. That's not true. But we go, do you want to play inbound? They're playing about them. Okay. Playing, sure. Just for now, they can break back into a solid playout team, but they're not playing well

right now. Actually, they're, they're, I mean, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know if I trust them to win a playoff series. I don't know if I can put them in a, Loki. That's what I don't, yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't know if we can put them in solid playoff team right now. Yeah, it's fine to put them in playing bound. Okay.

It's so weird. Spiritually playing about it. Even if you're the 60th, you're spiritually a playing team. Pistons. They're so good. Yeah, I think they finally earned to, they finally deserve to be in a solid playoff team. Their defense, I think they have the second ranked defense in NBA right now. Spurs.

Beef stew, or they're at least top five. They're probably third. I'll check. Beef stew and Jalen Duren, that kind of defensive combination is insane. You saw that tweet. I said you this morning. Kendrick Perkins said. No.

Oh. I don't watch it. It's crazy. It's crazy. He was talking about the Casvers to piss it into the playoffs series. Yeah. And when he's talking about that, I understand what he's saying? Terrible verbiage.

Terrible. But those two, they... I mean, it would be terrible verbiage if I said it. It's funny. He shouldn't even said that. It makes it funny. It's funny that he said that because it's like, what do you mean? what do you mean he said he said i don't know if every mowbly and jared allen are ready to face those

two guerrillas what you talking about isaiah stewart and jalen durran yeah the funny guy man anyone else said that a fair skin color we're getting breaking news ex person has been far from espn with quickness that's hilarious but the defense at those That's actually really funny. Isaiah Stewart has quietly over the last two years. Last year was Kurt L.O. Has been one of the best big men defenders, just defenders in general that the league has to offer. And then the leaps and bounds that Jalen Duren has taken, he is in a contract here.

He's looking for that super fat extension. But he's absolutely improved defensively when it comes to his awareness and added to his offensive bag, which is just doing things that guys, his size normally shouldn't be able to do, whether it's his ball handling or hitting you with like the most random. spin-off moves like he's he's improved well we say real contenders are we considering in their conference or to win the finals i think to win the finals okay they're not real move away for that yeah they'll move away from like competing in the east to like make the finals i think i think they desperately still need another creator next to kade i'm so sick and tired of watching kate of all this offensive responsibility as a score he's not a top tier score and he's not going to be efficient until he's asked to shoulder less burden you know he's an amazing he's a good engine

because he's an amazing passer great playmaker that can get into space and create shots and drive the thing going, he's not going to have above average efficiency ever until he has a great score next to him to alleviate some of that pressure, I think. As they do that and they find a way to make that happen, wherever that may be on the trade market, I don't know who becomes available.

I think they can compete with the Knicks. Let's do it. Let's put them in one move away, though. Yeah, like, okay. And maybe we can just recalibrate that in our heads a little bit to be one move away from winning their conference. I think that they're that. Which is honestly fair because, I mean,

the Tim will staff to prove that they can win their conference as well. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I feel sorry. Do you want to slot the bucks up in there? Do we feel like maybe they deserve? No. The bucks might.

No. Not one of the best players in the world. I think they might deserve to be there, but whatever. But they have less assets, so maybe the one move can't be quite as strong. The business can get a star if somebody becomes available with the deadline. Like, I don't know who it may be. I mean, look at the list of NBA teams real quick. Obviously, it's not going to be John Morant.

They don't want him. I don't know if like a Zach will be in the money would be complicated. He's expensive. It's hard to say. Who might be. Larry Markman. If they get a lot of marketing, I'm, moved. The money is fucking crazy with him as well.

You're right. No one's trading for Lari marketing. But he's good and like fits on a good team. Doesn't have any question marks, you know? Defensively he can survive so like I'm okay to get him with that much money. The Levine thing, you have to really hope you're the perfect ecosystem to like mitigate his strengths and weaknesses. Lowry, I'm kind of okay with the money. I feel like he's paid

what he's due. So like I think they could do that trade. And if they do that and Kade has a score to defer to and can take less shots and get more efficient, I'm going to move. I am moved. And it's going to go. go ahead and trade for Kobe White.

That's what's going to end up happening and we are going to be forced to like it. Kobe White, I mean, at that point, KeeJ. I mean, I think I'd rather keep, I would, I would rather, yeah, I would rather trade for Kobe one because he's actually proven that he can, that he can score super, like, at a consistent, like, high clip. And I, yeah, I, I trust that fit a little bit more than, then Ivy. Also, I've been coming back from yet another injury and trying to slot in. I want to aim a little higher

if I'm like making a big move for a guard with them I'm going to be fine I just I want somebody as like more of a if I'm doing a guard You want an all start No so yes

You want a high-actained score I get it No The issue of yes Both yes to both those But the issue of Kobe White Is I want somebody That can be a shooting guard defender

Next to Cade And not have to add Insert a defensive question mark Which Cade's a good defender He's big So you can get away with that So you want like Prime Quiet Leonard

No no no no Not all these things But like if we're gonna do A Kobe White type guy I don't want it to be like a point guard Or that can be a defensive liability to some extent Yeah And if that's the case

Like I think they're projecting to Pace right where they're at And that guy's just not available right now Yeah I don't know I don't know who's available But if it's a Kobe White type of guy I want more of an off guard That can be bigger

Or a star and we can figure it out Wherever that may be Anthony Edwards Yeah sure if we get that great Yeah I'm trying to look across teams I don't know what the trade market It's going to be like this time of year Yeah

This coming February Like they're not going to trade Tray Murphy They can trade Herb Jones They could They could trade Tray Murphy They should blow everything up

You know I need Tray Murphy Get some recalibration Everybody Everybody except for Derek Queen and Zion should be traded Do you think the Sixers are gonna In Jeremiah Fiers VJColm was really great

Do you think the Sixers Envision Jeremy Kane Is a long-term six man Or do you think they're going to trade him For a better piece That fits better They are not trading BJ No no no I said Jeremy Kane

I don't think they're trading any of the those guys. I could envision a world where they decide to trade Jeremy Kane just to maximize Tyrese Maxine and Vijay and give them more help bigger guys around. Yeah, just because you can't play all three guys together. And like you can stagger them and like make him be a great six man. I'm not saying they have straight him. But I wonder if like another very high quality young player becomes available is swapping on Jerry McCain for a Ford that can play next to those two guys long term. If that could be a thing. Because Vijay, VJ is a star. Vij is going to be great. He is. I don't longer see a path of Jeremy Kane being started for them. He is, but this is, I mean,

we're eight games. I don't think that they're going to give us. I don't think that they're going to give up on McCain, especially when... Oh, I don't mean right now. I'm just talking to big picture. Oh, okay. Like, just in general. Like, I wonder where that's gonna go. And now I'm just thinking about trades.

Like... Yeah, in a year, in a year, probably. But, like, I wouldn't expect anything this year. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so either. But it doesn't, if somebody's available. Where do you want to put the Sixers right now? Sixers.

Uh, I forgot we're doing tier list. Yeah. Bro, we're just here. Forget the cameras. 76ers. There's some... Play and bound? I think there's some shit

playing down is there shit I don't think they're gonna be great Tyre's Maxie is playing like one of the best guards in the East Tyres Maxie has been incredible this year I started Donovan Mitchell

he is the best guard in the East for sure Jimlin Brunson yeah thank you BJ Edgecom is looking really good I don't like it to have to be me every time I appreciate that

but I think with okay so like but with that backcourt they're they're great I just think that with with everybody else that is that is on that roster with Embed's health and his uncertainty with Paul George and what version of

Paul George is going to come down and I haven't checked his let me check his minutes right now but like we were talking earlier like last week about Tyrese maxi averaging like 37 right 30 or like 40 minutes a game right now right now he's still averaging 41

41 minutes a game I don't think that that is sustainable, I don't think, I think that that's eventually going to come down. But I do think that there's going to be a moment where the sixers probably go through a low because your front court is still, which the front court is when Embed misses two weeks or Paul George misses two weeks. So they're five and three right now. Paul George can come back and make this look different if he has a bounce back. But he hasn't played and hasn't had a training camp. I have no reason to believe he'll bounce back because I don't know when he's in a fucking play. Exactly. And they're playing down. They've lost two in a row after a five and one start. I'm going playing.

Yeah, that's fair. Just because we assume like maybe the Hawks or Magic would jump up and get that succeed hopefully, hopefully or Miami is possible

to form forward that can get Tyler Hero back pretty soon. We'll see. Now we have five teams in the Eastern Conference Pacers. They're bad and not fun

but thank God they're tanking they needed to so they just are what they are nobody's playing for them it's not fun whatsoever Hornets when the mellows there bad but fun

easy conversation right Look at that Thumb buckets Slotted and so perfect Wizards are they fun I think so. Yes, they're fun.

They are fun. Yes, Kishon George is great. He is. They're on the extreme ends though, because they are really bad. Yeah, and they are, they have some really not fun and some really fun. Kishon, George, and Saar, really fun. Yes. Cam Whitmore, least fun player in the world.

Trey Johnson, fun. I don't have any feel yet for Trey Johnson, but the idea is fun. I like Trey Johnson. Trey Johnson's good, man. He needs to be starting for this team. He's awesome. Starting for this team. For the wizard, yeah.

Honestly, yeah. Okay. For the sake of spacing and reps. already like their best shooters. Like we're talking about like old yellow and you see J. McCollum? Okay. Yeah. Basketball wise.

It's over. Clay Thompson him to be for lack of fear. Magic and calves. Cavs are contenders. They got Darius Garland back last night for the first game. And what do you know they look at the calves? They looked fantastic again. Yeah.

Like it's hard to talk about them right now, but respect. Like they are real contenders. Jalen Tyson, I think, is a starting small forward. I think that's going well. He, yeah, we talked about how he's like one of the few experiments in the league that really moves. and if he can just be the hustle guy and have high expectation

or high anticipation for hustle plays when the ball's going to come to him shooting just the right amount of times and hitting at a decent clip we're having real conversation yeah I think it's going well Daris Garland and come in and make that offense be organized again

the big passing can be revived because we have multiple playmakers multiple spacers I feel completely fine about the Cavs after seeing what I saw last night I was glued to that game making sure because I was getting worried what do you know the offense look like the Cavs Orlando Magic

Bad and not fun That is what they are Right now they are a bad team And they are not fun to watch Are they playing inbound though Because of the East And we know like We have to have some context

In our brains, you know Potentially Like at this rate Like obviously the standings Are the standings I don't want to overact too much To a night game set With high standings wise

And I know I know what you're saying The offense is horrendous That even hasn't been quite as good I still feel like playing in balance Probably a fair tier I would I would like to I would like to think that However Desmond Bain has been so bad

What happened? He's been he's been so bad and There's games that he's had He scored nine points in the game against the Hawks He was ejected in the third quarter He's had other games where he has scored nine points or less And he has not been ejected And it's been it's been game after game

And now it's gone so bad And now people are starting to put this on Paolo and I started to create this of like Peanut Butter the Fifth. Yeah. Like, hey, you have this good shooter. Can you put him next to Paolo and have him not be ruined?

What's going on? This is what we've been saying since the Desert Bay trade happened. There's going to be no one on the hot on a hotter seat than Jamal Mosley. And right now as time goes on, as each and every passing day happens, the seat is hotter because why is,

Desmond Bain shooting only like four threes a game. That's the lowest since his rookie year. I'm going to tell you why? Why? Because they're asking him to be the point guard because everything we've known forever about the two forwards and how the offense doesn't flow super well through one of them. And they're asking Desmond Bain to, honestly, it's going exactly how we feared it would when we did the one thing you should know about every single NBA team this season.

And I had the magic. And I said the one thing you should know is Desmond Bain won't fix this all by himself. The spacing issues will still be the spacing issues. Desmond Bain is not prime Clay Thompson. He's not going to come in and fix everything. we kind of outlined what I thought was like a worst case scenario all that's happening they invested four first round picks in Desmond Bain

you don't get value on four first round picks if he's parked in the corner space in the floor for that to make sense and for that to be a good roster move he has to have the ball in his hands he has to make plays shoot off the dribble and put us some goddamn points so you don't look stupid for giving up that many points for Kyle Corver I mean that mean draft picks so they have to do that

and ask him to be Donovan Mitchell or whatever that's not going well because the spacing is still bad outside of them he's being overtaxed with the ball in his hands. The three-point shot isn't falling, which doesn't help because the floor as an awful player isn't there. All the question marks we had about the pace of play with Palo as an isolation score and playmaker, still an issue.

They just are the same team plus Desmond Bain, who is currently being overtaxed. Yeah. And I don't even know if he's necessarily being overtaxed because this is also still like the lowest usage of his career in general. And so like when I see this team, you're right. Overtax isn't the right word. My bad. He's like completely like misused.

That's the word. That's the word. with the ball in his hands. Because I think he needs to be running off the screens more, being more of an awful guy. Yeah, he's been using the overtax. It makes it sound like I'm saying

he has too many touches. He has the wrong touches, I think. Yeah, he has too many of the wrong touches. Yeah, that's what I'm right with that. And, like, seeing how this offense is, it looks like they're trying to play fast, but then everyone also looks like disjointed, then off ball at times too there's like a whole bunch of people

just standing in the same space. The only positive thing that can look at the scene and be like, it's like, okay, your starting lineup has a net rating of plus seven. So you're still like, you put a bunch of good basketball players in the room. Who knew they play some form of good basketball? You have to.

They're just too talented. But then on the other side of things, too, it's like, okay, also, hey, your defense is slowly improving. It's not like 20th, like how it was last week. Now we're up to 14. Good news. I'm more happier about also seeing Frant of Wagner shoot like 39% from the three point line as we speak. That's nice. That's improvement.

So there's framework to be a playing team. I argue with you, but I want to be so much meaner because they should be so much better. Okay, so we're going to put you in bad but not fun. We don't expect you to stay there. At least we hope you don't stay there. But we're feeling very vindictive today, and you're pissing us off.

So we're going to put you lower than you really should. And you know what? I don't think magic fans will be mad because I'm sure they're feeling vindictive as well. I'm sure they're also pissed off about their team. So let's all just take today to slander the magic and try to will them to get in their shit together, going back up the ranks to being a solid playoff team like they should be.

25 in offense right now. Yeah. Yeah, some shit's got to blow up there. The coach probably has to change. I don't know what you do now with the roster because you already put all your assets in Desmond Bain. You can't really get rid of that. You can't really trade one of the forwards

unless you have a star-for-star swap with Franz Vagner that becomes available, which you can probably find that. Like, do you trade him for a more spacing-oriented guy? No, there's no need. That's the thing. There's no need to trade Franz. There is a need to trade somebody,

and I don't know who else is available. No, not right. Trade right now is not. Yeah. sir i'm walking into moseley's office and i'm gonna tell him you have until january first you have two months from now you get this offense to 19 in the league or you pack up your stuff today the bar was so low what we said like we're talking about can you get this to 18 19 17 best case scenario we have not been asking for top 10 offense and it's where i i think i'm at the point now

where you were maybe like last year uh where everyone's like oh like the spacing so bad with palo and you're like i mean yeah but it's not like he's playing in a phone booth every single place and so and so like when people when people talk about the magic and like this and they're like the spacing is still so bad i'm like i don't give a damn make a shot i think i think i'm i'm at that point now where i really don't give a damn who the coach is i don't care what i don't care what play is happening i don't care what is i don't care if you're double teamed if you take a shot you need to make something Something has to go in.

Like I'm racist towards Italian people when I talk about Palo Van Caro. They treat me like I'm hateful in my heart because I don't like his style of play and his tendencies as a lead playmaker. It's so clear that it's not just the spacing. Like it's not that simple. So many guys play with bad spacing and they aren't incapable of leading good offense. It's not. Every team is not going to have 2017 Warriors level spacing where like you just have three of the greatest shooters to ever play on your team. And so there's a million feet in between every single player.

Like, you still, you have to go out and you have to figure it out. You know what I feel like with that too? That also links back to the thing with Aiton I was talking about where people have these like buzzwords of like common traits in bad teams or bad players that they're just like, yeah, it's that. Yeah, spaceing is easy to say that there's no good shooters there. So he's not going to go to play well. When you watch the court, they don't have five guys standing in the paint

and Palo's incapable of creating a basketball play. It's so much more nuanced than that. That'll lead to the team offense being bad in a macro sense, most likely because you take 70 shots a game and they're going in 5% less your offensive ratings go down five points, whatever. That's true. The spacing is bad for the team offense. For Paolo being able to execute a weak side post-up, the spacing,

nine times out of ten is not the reason the play is dictated one way or the other. Also, let's make some layups, guys. Let's make some layups. If you go down and you look at room percentage for everybody, and it's just, it's nothing but blue. In terms of

percentile, 43rd, 41st, 40th, that's where Paulo Franz and Desmond Bain Wendell Carter is at 15 Anthony Black, 51, good job, above average And then you have Tristan to Silver at the rim Yeah, at the room And then that's horrible

And then no, 51st percentile Oh, oh, oh, oh, 50 percent Yeah, in terms of a percentile And then Tristan to Silver of 42 percentile They have one guy who at the position Is like league average At finishing at the rim Once again, I don't give two dams

If people are right there You, especially as Palo, 610 missed up. I'm Bronn, you have to, you have to, you have to make a layup. Desmond Bain swore for nothing, make a layup, body through somebody. Like, things have, shots at a certain point, just have to go in. And they are not at that point. And even if it don't go in, bro, where is your identity at?

Where is your swag at? You have none at this moment. Fores are not being slapped. Last year, they allowed. Heads are not bald. The second least amount of points. You need to be defenders. Last year, they allowed the second amount of, least amount of points in the paints.

This year, they are the second or third word. No, they're the second worst rim defense that the entire league has to offer. They're not trying. Letting guys blow right past by each other. Like, it's nothing. It's disappointing overall. They don't have no swag at all. It's embarrassing.

I chose to believe in them. Put them in the three seat in my projections for the season first, preseason preview. Just like putting aside my bias. I'm like, don't figure it out. It's about that time. I've long said that I don't think Palo's bad. I think Palo needs time.

eventually it'll happen, it'll click. Shit hasn't clicked yet. I said, this will be the year it clicks. It has not been the year it clicks. And they were, they were the most popular team to go ahead and make the, quote, unquote, leap. And I think that's also why I was a little bit hesitant. One, because I was like, all right, like, you guys are doing a little bit too much. But also, every year, there's teams that one move happens.

And on paper, it seems like everything that you've been having issues with, you fixed it, right? you need a shooting you went out you got Desmond Bain okay cool you're going to go from this 41 team to now you're winning 52 53 games you're going to be at the top of the conference and the east of conference is wide open there's levels to it and making making those types of jumps is pretty hard and there's always teams that disappoint and that's what they kind of felt like to me at the beginning of the year so that's why I didn't want to put them at at three and so it's it's very tough you know it's funny I agree I felt the way about three four and five so I was struggling to figure out who I'm scared of their downside more less of but all three of those teams scared

me with their downside yeah and when I say three four or five we're referencing the magic hawks and pistons yeah those are consensus middle tier and now I'm sure we can all agree that because of the baseline floor that the business have given themselves which is their the defensive end like of course we want them to trade for a star we want them to at least like guys like ronhawn who's been fantastic or sarah thompson who's again has been fantastic to develop even more of an offensive player offensive threat has some more juice

alongside Cade even if that don't happen it seems like at least right now they have that three four spot solidified they got their swag back

and the hawks just me yeah the hawks are just still the hawks and that concludes our cheer list how to end that with a little Orlando magic rant

being annoyed let's channel that energy channel that hatred Mo tell me what fucking time it is they told me to fall off they told me that it is not

possible. It doesn't matter what's happening in Atlanta. It doesn't matter whether or not we are good or bad. It doesn't matter what's happened to train young because the Orlando magic. My bad, the New Orleans Pistons. What the fuck? The New Orleans Pistons. If you're still here, comment, shout out the New Orleans Pistons. All I know is DeBonce is going to land in my lab. I'm going to get the number one overall pick and I will once again be at my peak powers. Once we're back at the top. Next year. This is an insane rambling. I asked him the transition of TikTok time

and he starts rambling both in New Orleans Pistonson. And A.J. de Bonsa. Am I foreseeing? Never mind. I'm not even going to get into that. I'm not even going to do it. Let's go into TikTok time.

This is the Melaton and talking. With that being said, we're on to TikTok time. Let's go have some fun. Let's talk about stuff besides his drunken ramblings. Woo. Get together, though, man.

That one's lost it. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we have a fun slate segments for you guys. But as always, always we are going to begin with a draft but a very different type of draft something we've never done before yes we're going to draft point guard through center building lineups as we always do as you see the draft order is donovan me mo but the twist is i have a hat right

next to me with 15 players in here okay a variety of strengths and weaknesses variety of levels of player donovan your first you were going to draw a player at this hat you're going to decide if you want to keep them on your team or give him to one of us so you can either slot them into your lineup or put them on any line if you choose. I gave you a ride home. It's been multiple times when you know that right now. You got a balance sabotage versus strength. So maybe you get a mid-to-year player that's really good,

but you don't know if you want to fit that with your other players. You got to decide you want to give it to us and so forth. So first off, who's the first player in our pool, Donovan? First off. Michael Jordan right away. Okay, great. Fantastic. Last time he fumbled, he got it.

I wonder what he's in do with him. My team. Your team, okay. Oh, my team. We know this. Oh, he's going to keep them. Okay. Great.

Fantastic. Is my first pick? You got? Oh, Wembe. Great. Nice. Okay. Well, you're going to keep them or trade them?

This is your Christmas present. You're going to give them to me? Psych, I don't believe Christmas. God damn it. Put them at my center. Oh, wait. I was supposed to go second. You keep doing this.

You keep not having this. Oh, shit. Whatever. You can go second. All right. Okay. So you keep Wemby. I love that you guys just pull great players out of way.

There are certainly not great players in here. Okay, let's see what I get next. Well, last time, on... The last one, you got all-time great. You got the best centers of all time. Josh Giddy. Okay, who would be done worse by Josh Giddy? I'm gonna pair it with Jordan.

Donovan can have Josh Giddy. I can survive with anybody. We'll give it to you. Damn. Him and Giddy might fit perfectly. Yeah. I don't think Jordan's gonna like Josh Giddy particularly much. Damn.

I think I'm nuking your team chemistry right away. And it's my turn again. How many giveaways do we have? As many as you want. Until, I mean, if somebody's live is filled up, then there's less options, you know? Okay. But we just go free flow.

Next up, Scotty Pippin. I'll keep him put on my small forward. Best player on my team, Scottie Pippen. Let's start there. Okay. You can work with Gideon Jordan. I guess. Especially since you're shooting 40% from 3.

Jordan Poole. I got Jordan Poole. Give me Jordan Poole to small forward. Yeah, this is not terrible. I think in terms of positions, you can't fuck somebody, put them at center. But you can put them at the closest position available. This is not terrible, but I think I definitely could do better.

He's like my first, like, C tier. Actually, I think if we give somebody a player, we should let them choose where their positions move around. Yeah. Oh, man. Ooh, sorry, buddy. You got to go ahead and take giddy or take bull. I don't want to.

Yeah. Why? Because I'm trying to do. Why don't I end though? I'm trying to nuke. You have Michael Jordan. Yeah, you have Jordan. We have to kill you with our hands.

There you go. Congratulations. All right. I just want to put Jordan at the three. Yeah. Put Jordan at the three. Actually, no. keep joining at the two we're going to pull up actually it's it's whatever it's fine as it's

put jordan at point put jordan at point i want my smartest player to have yeah what giddy at the small board you i mean do whatever it doesn't make whatever they all on the same floor i know it doesn't matter people praying on my down floor yeah deandre jordan oh man i mean obviously he's not going to play for me that's that's number one um who's gonna do you're gonna do die. Go M. I can put him anywhere. It doesn't really matter to me.

I'm bound to have shit. I could survive with shit at the four or at the five. He's going with Scotty. I'm okay with that prime New York and Jordan. I'll live. He's going with Scottie. Okay. I got a lob threat next to a three and D wing.

I'm starting off nice and balanced. I'll take that. Next one. Chris Paul. Prime CP. Ah, you can't keep up. You can't keep him. ladies and gentlemen we got him

damn he's got giddy over CP3 want to put Jordan at the four but you get real brittle and small put Jordan at the four yeah shit let's even defend the post damn

you got no choice you got no choice it's either I give CB3 Wemby or I give CB3 Lobity and Scotty Pippin yeah imagine Lopsyt Wemby good lord

It's awful Just take him Yeah You give him to him Why would you give him to Wemby You think I'm the worst team builder here So listen man Because I have to fill out

I just have to fill out Rostas Give him to Wemby, he's outrageous What you got? Kevin Durant Okay You man Why would you allow him to do this? Ooh

Man You gave him CP3 Fuck Put KD in my 4-5 It don't matter Oh my God 4 or 3 don't matter I hope we can sabotage you immensely.

Next up, James Hardin. Okay, maybe I don't want Chris Paul. Give me James Hardin at my point guard. You're welcome. Damn. It was like it for both. I'd rather have that than him get him. Okay.

So Hardin, Pippin, DeAndre, I'm starting balanced. Next up, oh, I pull two players, me. Mix it up. John then Cominga. Ooh. See, he's playing great basketball. I can give them to you because you're, you're the best team, or I can eliminate Donovan.

That's Madonna in the dirt You got to get your car forward Damn, you're an asshole And I love it I'm not competing Against one player The two players So yeah

You could have comming Right on your power forward Jordan a bunch of guys He just dug your grave I'm hoping that you can still sabotage him And we can find a way to bounce this Tim Duncan Wow

Tim Duncan Nice. I'll put him at my four and I'll put KD at my three. Great. Straight Hall of Famers. I can't wait until we find a way to fuck you over. There you go, Donovan. I can't wait until we find a way to kill you.

Ben Simmons at a shooting card. Go ahead. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll still straight. I'll take it.

Let's do it. Okay. Still good. I'll take it. I'm looking good right now. Still good. Hell yeah. Bradley Beale.

You gotta take Brad I guess I gotta pay for better days I've nothing Okay and I guess you can't pick any more Since your team's filled So I guess we'll just finish out Okay you too finish out Yeah this is the worst

Idea we've ever done This is amazing I got LeBron James Let's go That finish Being first in this is a real disadvantage Because like you can't necessarily Like you can see where everybody else

Kind of has when you go later I guess I guess it's random You got fucked because I chose Fuck you're in the day you got Purely lucky Yeah, purely luck And I guess one player left

Donovan I'll drop for you Your center Kyle Coosma Coos Camingo pool Giddy Yo Jordan is in The Gullog

He is in hell And it's freezing Oh my God Kuzma He thought he was gonna win He thought he was blessed The first page Yo he was a weird

trying to decide We're gonna put Giddy in pool who's going to be my pool it don't matter buddy what was there there was four three bigs in here

and you got two of them oh my god man prayers for you a hard and bill pippin lebron deandre jordan i can work with this yeah jordan is retiring

he's not even like he's not going to see these guys he's going to see kuzma and pool just Jordan's going to play in the MLS yeah that was hilarious we jumped

oh man That's hilarious. That was great. Any comments on them? Shut up. Next thing we were going to do. Last week we started a new series, not a new series. We continued a year by year series.

Last week, we graded every single NBA City jersey in the Western Conference, starting our 2025, 2026 jersey, you know, collection of videos. I'm blanking on this. Today we're going to grade all of them in the Eastern Conference. We're going to finish this. out so by the time this episode is over we will have graded every single new jersey first off the 76ers i really like this this is very clean very simple how can you not like it it's just a cool 76ers jersey oh we this is smooth as hell man what this looks like it should just be like a rebrand like it's just a good

basic jersey this should be yeah this should be a part of their like every year rotation i'm going it should be permanent you're right this is what they should wear a damer every single time they're away what's it on the side i see some like brown on the edge i can't see i think it's like goal for like the Liberty Bell. It's classic. That's tough. It's hard. It's historic.

The section really never missed. They have one of their better collections of city judges over the years. They really do. They don't miss at all. They have a lot of good stuff to draw from from Philadelphia lore. They got a super team of graphic designers over there in Philly. I see why they're not worried about the basketball product. I get it.

I don't need to be with the basketball product. So listen, if we're not going to get a star player on the court a lot, he's going to make sure he looks good on the sidelines. Hell yeah. A plus starting off strong in the Eastern Conference. Next up. The Milwaukee blocks bringing back Cream City. You thought it was dead. Yeah, you thought it was dead.

You thought the era was finished. The dynasty just now begins. We're here, multi-year Cream City, A plus. The consumption of Cream is up. Oh my God, we never been so up. This is amazing. It's the best. You only get sentences from that, from the creamologist.

You do. Cream is on the rise. Self-appointed creamologist. Yes. I don't know where he went to school for that, But apparently he has the The commodity of cream is up right now. Yes, exactly.

I do. How did you guys know this? I went to the Cream University. I know what this is. Classic. Second time I read it back. This will go down in Milwaukee Buck's history. This is a classic jersey.

This is one of the best I've ever had. Cream City is eternal. Whenever I have a kid like 10 years from now or whatever, I got to birth him in Milwaukee for this and put him in a Cream City jersey. Let you know where you come from. He's got to know all about Cream from day one. Exactly. He's going to come into this world with Cream.

Cream tattoo It's on the way You're tattooing a baby Tattooing a cream Cream City I might tattoo this jersey on my body I don't know man That's how I'm feeling

Yeah it's cool Sure Brought it back It's an A Come on now Chicago Bulls I'm losing track They've done the Chicago color so many times

Is this one they've done before Is this brand new They've done this color before I can't remember No no this is No this is the Chicago colors With that white and red jersey They had a few years ago

That was beautiful Yeah, but except this time It's not beautiful I like the Chicago colors more When it's white, not black I don't love the baby blue and red with black Yeah, because that's the actual colors Yeah

This feels like a King's jersey Don't feel like a Chicago Bulls jersey Why do they have to do black? Because once you start running out of ideas You say white jersey, black jersey Just flip them Yeah, like I respect that This font was the best city jersey they ever had

I respect them running it back With a new color I don't wish it to be this color I'm gonna give it a C minus I'm going D minus I really hate it The standard is hide right now, so I'm giving this a F. And it sucks. I do like the Chicago

flag jerseys they've had in the past, and I do like this cut of font in numbers assortments. Don't love them together. So I'll go deal with you just because they've upset me by ruining my two things I like. Exactly. Out of principle. Ruin a good thing. Shame on you. Cavaliers. New version of the land.

Bright orange. I'm sorry. I'm not getting with this. I'm not giving this an A. I'm going like C plus. It's not bad. This is kind of rad. I fuck with it. I dig this Jersey. Really? Yeah. I dig this jersey. Yeah. It reminds you to some like old 70s. Reminds me of Ronald. Are they sponsored by McDonald's? Is it sponsored by

Arby's? And if it is, Arby's is up as fuck right now too. Apparently, yeah. You want to see steak nuggets on your jerseys? Apparently they're good. Yeah. I'll take your word for it. I think this is another one where they ruined a beautiful thing. We should try them. We should try it. Steak jerseys on the pod. I'll get with D. Mills. We'll do a video together. Let's do it. I'll do it. The blue ones were one of my favorite jerseys of the last few years. This is. This is. A bastardization of a jersey that I loved When you see it on the court

On Darius Garland I promise you it's not gonna look good No amount of Darius Garland oral points It's gonna make me like the jersey I promise you It will I don't love the color combination whatsoever I think it's a

I'd rather than do a whole New Jersey Than change the color There's something bad of a jersey We know and love D I think the color could be better It's like kind of tangerine But it's not terrible at all

I fuck with it still No it has to be D This is literally what the what the Bulls just did in terms of taking a good concept, changing the color, and now it's messed up. But it's a better color, though. No, it's not. No, it's just not.

It's bright, but it's not nice. I don't like this. Maybe this mock-up is doing it bad. Maybe this is like this behind-the-scenes picture. This looks like it's a lower-quality jersey, taking like a Nike store earlier or whatever. Maybe it's not doing it justice, and with better lighting, it looks better.

The picture I'm looking at looks garbage. Okay, now look at this picture, and then imagine Donald of a Mitch in it. And then imagine DeMitch doing teak time in it, too. I feel like I'm looking at 10 out of 10 jersey. There you go. I feel like I'm looking at Donovan Mitchell on a yo Gabba Gabba costume at that point. He's like a backyard again.

Don't like it. D. You don't fuck with the backyard again? Not this one. What's the orange one? Is that Tyrone? I don't remember. Probably is.

The Boston Celtics going white and gold. Yo, this is a Power Ranger jersey for sure. The White Ranger? Yeah, the White Ranger for sure. But you know what? I kind of rock with it. This is classic. I think like if they, if they, if they, there's no green.

I understand, but like. Should the Celtics ever have a jersey with no green? That would be my only thing for it. So I really like it. I would give it a B plus because I do think you need to have something. Like every jersey, unless it's like completely an alternate, should have just a little bit. But it's still nice.

Like people, they should have won this on ring night. This should be like a special edition jersey. This looks like those jerseys they sell on team stores that are fake and don't exist. And they sell them as fashion jerseys for fans. You ever see those like they make, they do a lot with women's jerseys, were they making like pink or gold or something like that and they're completely fake

they look out they're from swap meets that's how this looks to me this looks like it's a mockup from somebody who should not be making mockups this looks like

this is disrespectful to South is green no I think honestly every team should learn from this every team that wins the championship your first jersey

the next the next year should be this you should have this white and gold jersey you know if that was a thing and if that was going to be a recurring thing

that the winning championship team gets a gold jersey I would like that that would be a cool thing but it's not that right now so now it's relating to a city jersey

it's just gold Don't like. Yo, Dalen Brown, you have no room for error with this jersey, bro, at all. It's a lot of white.

Yeah, it's too much white, you're in trouble, yeah. You better not wipe your sleeve. Yeah, you better not bumping and no teammates through screens or none of that,

bro, else it's overwitch. You're not fall down the lane. It's a scary sight. Yeah, but on the server is not an ugly jersey. It's just,

I don't like it for the Celtics. Yeah. See? I'm going B plus. Mid. Yeah. I gave it a B. It's not.

bad. Yeah, certainly it's not, we've seen some ugly fucking jerseys. So it's not an F or anything. Peach Tree coming back for the Atlanta Hawks. Okay. I dig it. I fuck with Pete's tree. I'm sad it's not I'm okay anymore. Like, what the fuck with Martin Luther? What happened with that? Like, I thought we were really good. It was 2022. But it is what it is. This is a good jersey. I fuck with it. It's not bad at all. I like the ones better when they didn't say peach tree when it was a hawks in the same color. I wish they brought that back because the one actually says peach tree. I thought the peach tree, that text makes me look like it's a high school jersey. I'm looking at

it now. I hate it. It looks corny. It looks very high school to me. That era, like when we were in high school, a lot of the jerseys had like this like angular, sharp-ass text on it. This is like a D2 college. The D-2 college. I can definitely understand that. But look, the shorts, save it. The shorts are cool. And the color's cool. The peach thing is cool.

Like the ball being a being a peach like that? Very cool. Hard as fuck. Don't like the text. Didn't age well. B-minus. I'm going C-minus. I really hate that. And we've seen them use this color in a better design.

That doesn't say peach tree. Yeah. And for that, we have to shame you. C minus. You got better and downgraded it on purpose. I give it a B is solid.

I do like the peach color. The peach color is very cool. And when they have it on the court, it is a very strong color. Next up. Wrong screen. Why is the last name in the back like that's super strong?

It's like a stronger shade of peach. I think it's because there's no white next to it so it looks brighter, but it's probably the same. Yeah. I hope so. Maybe not, though. I can't make up.

I hope so. Miami Heat, bringing back the black Miami Vice. Fire. Here we go. A plus. A plus. These are so good.

This is, you think about a legit rebrand. Yeah, the Miami Heat have good base jerseys. This is so far that four years ago, I said they should change it and never use those base jerseys again because this is that much better.

It's crazy, man. That's crazy. This and the white one are iconic. Every rendition after these two, when they got all colorful and gradian shit. It's too much. Bastidization. They ruined it.

Now we're going back to the basics. This is a classic. You give them just a little bit of leeway for the pink one. It's like, all right, fine, I guess, maybe, but you're pushing it. You do gradient with gradient numbers. Now I want you dead. Now I don't like any of this. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Is this a classic? No. This isn't a classic? This got, oh, this. Come on. Hammers. Come on. No, no, no, no.

Then nothing's a classic. Come on, man. Well, how much time I have to go by for you to be, for it to become a classic? Ten years, 15 years? That's me before he was born. This is clear. a modern classic. Not before I was born.

That's a mid-2000 stuff. That's like, whatever. It's kind of cool. A plus, this is an all-time great jersey to me.

This is fantastic. This should be kept around for years to come. There should be a throwback we do. You can make it, we can make it a modern classic. Great.

If that makes you sleep better, fine. Modern classic. I will sleep better. I guess so. If that doesn't bother you. Yeah, and I won't have to take

two melatonas like trying to drug myself, kill myself. I'm taking two melatonas. Next up. The Hornet. doing a bright orange gradients. I know La Mello Ball was behind this.

He has to be. Yeah, him in that damn La Flair brand, bro. This is definitely a Lamello Ball jersey. I'm sure it's dedicated to him. This feels like an All-Star game jersey. It does. A terrible one at it too. No, this, we said us before.

This is a Six Flags jersey. Bro, legit, if the All-Star game was in Phoenix, the jerseys would look like this. Is there a Six Flags in North Carolina? I bet there is. And I bet we can go there and I bet we can find a jersey like this. I don't know. We will be in North Carolina soon.

This look, it looks tasty. It looks like ice cream. Dude, it looks like a sweet treat. No, no, no, what's that? What's that? It looks like an airhead. This literally looks like an airhead. It looks like it tastes good.

It's just going on, man. Yeah, exactly. Get this refreshing as jerse here on my face. Yeah, it looks like, Donovan, you ever seen those ice cream? They got one. They got a six flags in North Carolina. I mean, it's in Charlotte. Okay, naturally.

We on the way. It looks like, like, you've seen that peach ice cream. This is so up, man. You've seen that peach ice cream. Shout out of urban development. But it's actually ice cream. Yeah. Looks like this.

It does. This is a V8 fusion orange peach mango jersey. It's an exotic juice. I'm not with this. It looks yummy, but D, I don't like it. Also, they couldn't just show the back of the shorts. They had to put an actual person in it. And they're like, yeah, man.

Oh, I just realized the shorts are that harsh-ass gradient. F. Hey, dude. Yeah, man. Turn around for it. I forgot. I hate gradient with all assets. This is a humongous F. F, F, F.

I hate this with all my heart. I got the model doing 360s. he's supposed to do every model is but nevertheless this is a fucking horrible jersey I think this is the worst one of the year this is easily the worst one so far

yeah new york next coming back with another kid's collab jersey this is gorgeous the off white base the nice subtle colors all around a plus

all this is hard as hell this is gorgeous this is what we do I have no complaints of my gorgeous Is that white or is it like an off white? It's like an egg shell. Again, I know more about cream than you do, as you can tell,

so I can kind of differentiate it. Whoa, whoa. We don't got relitigated though. Okay, we'll go through each other's cream catalog and then we'll talk about it. My class is right there. We can find a lot of cream. All right, say less.

But yeah, A plus. Ever since Kith came in here, start doing their jerseys, they've been elite every single year. This is no exception. It's what we do, man. Come on. It's the only thing you can do. Kithmerchant.

Yep. Before Kith, it was a scary sight. They had some bullshit. but they changed your book as lives A plus Orlando Magic with this gray jersey with the stars on the side I take it back for instance

this might be the worst one of the year This reminds me of It reminds me of Victor Oladipo days reminds me of when he was wearing the sleeve jerseys trying seven, eight times to do the 540 in the dunk contest Is this a prank?

Why are we going back to this? This is horrible like This is, I don't, what the fuck is this? I don't know, it feels like they took every jersey that they've had and mush them all together and they just said great I see that might be actually what they're doing

that might this might be a bringing together all the eras and I hate it yeah like you say Victorola Depot brother I think of Aaron Gordon in this jersey I do as well and bro like it's been years since he was on the match no why do I think about that I know who actually jumps to mine right now

Mo Spates Mo Spates oh my God this is a terrible jersey I don't really like the stars in the size I don't like the gray at all I don't like the text in the middle and how it's like blends in with the gray, with the stars being gray.

Everything about this is boring. Orlando Magic, this is a bad year for y'all. They can't do nothing right, man. And right when you get some good base jerse as you come with this bullshit reminding us of an era before this that was terrible. F. Go into the future. All around disappointing organization.

The Western Conference last week didn't have any stinkers for real. We're several stinkers in the East. What's wrong with the Eastern Conference? We might need a whole conference relegation. Poor funding. Poor funding all around. Brooklyn Nets. bring in back the Koogee jerseys.

Tough. Classic. This is absolutely a classic. It's a classic. It's a classic. We got the first classic approval. It's a classic. A plus plus.

Because not even, not only is this jersey, it's great on court, right? The memories were good. People were having fun when this jersey was out in the streets. This specific version of the Nets had the iconic. Yeah. The iconic. Cardi song. Yes.

The bench mob meme. Yeah. Yeah. This gave D-Lo like four years or a deal Pinson Dio Pinson going crazy on the sideline Shout out to them Dilo's PR is an all-time high It took them four years to lose it

Because of these jerseys Also what is that sponsorship All in one I have no idea what that is What is that? It's a pun They're like saying I don't know

I'm team mantra All in W-O-N Or is it A-N It's a point is it I don't know what that is It's not good That's what it is I have speculations

That I will think about afterwards To avoid insensitivity I would not continue with my assumptions. I don't know anything about that. But great jersey A plus. Yep. Pacers. Yo, this is good.

This is actually good. I don't think the Pacers have ever had. Ooh, this is fine. This is he. This is he. I'm looking up the next thing. This is hard. This is hard.

I'm going A plus for this. This will look great on court if they have all white accessories. Then it should go well. I mean, but you know some bozos is going to come out here in purple shoes and wear this. Seaccom and his big ass shorts. Not going to have any accessories. is going to look boring it's no or no swag but benedick matherin andrew nimard they will wear this and they will look cool i'll give this a b plus this is an a to me man such a good it looks like

it feels like an old school jersey too yeah that kind of it's a little it's a little boring to me to give it a plus but i'll give it a b plus it's a very solid jersey that would look good on court i'm sure our suspicions were wrong what is it it's uh it's different but like the thing that we are the thing that we were that we were thinking it was is not what they're Actually, I wasn't thinking anything. I don't really know what it is. Okay, they never mind. But either way, either way, these are.

Okay. Yeah. B plus. Hey, great. Pistons. Hey, this is an elite jersey. I learned the other day that they're fucking ass with these jersees on. Like, they don't win no games.

Is this one they brought back? They did this before? Yeah, I think they did this before. This is one of those years and they were so god awful. I forget what they wore because I was blanking them out of my mind because they're winning 15 games. Yeah. But I think they did this before.

It feels new because, like, the shorts look. different. Yeah, the sorts look different. Obviously, they're bringing back those old colors. I think they might have

did this a few years ago, but I can't remember for certain for some reason. This font, they were using this font in like the Motor City ones. And so like Blake Griffin, I think like for that era,

they had it. But obviously it's like the, those like Bright Hill, you know, teams and they made it black, which is cool. I don't, I don't mind these.

I think as a city jersey, you know, second alternate, it's like a B minus. Yeah. No, I'll give it a good B. I like it.

It doesn't look like it's black. It looks like it's like a charcoal, which I think lends itself well to that teal color. I'll give it a solid B. I'll think I'll give this a solid B too. And if the court looks really nice and has those colors flashing a little more, this might go together real well. Raptors bringing back the dino in white. I hate this. It was almost really good.

We got to retire this. The white dinosaur, it looks like the printer and out of ink. Yeah. This is like a printing error. This is bad. And like, and shout to them because the white dino now has the old jerseys. and so they're trying to include everything. However,

there's too much going on. That's too much detail for a jersey. You've been overworking this dino. Let the dinosaur rest, please. Give that dino some PTO, please. Yeah, I don't like the white. It doesn't look simplistic and clean. It looks like a ran out of ink.

It looks like we forgot to finish the illustration and say, yeah, that works. The nine is in a weird spot. It's all crowded. You could barely see the nine. This is a TBD jersey, man. I'm going I'm going D-minus This was like a T-shirt

Yeah Wizards Bringing back the gold Throwback as a city jersey Okay they've literally Like been winless when it comes to city Jersey's over last few years I kind of like cheating

And just straight up bringing back a throwback jersey As a city jersey But it's not the throwback jersey though It's not It's just throwback color way Because they've combined it Because their jerseys now have This like stripe on them

Oh that sharp wasn't there before No No Oh okay okay Okay so how do you like them Bringing in the old colors To the new jersey layout I fuck with it.

Me personally, I think this is for where they were at, purgatory. I think this is like a solid B, damn near A. As far as city jerseys go, paying homage to eras, it's kind of cool. Yes, I have to see it on court. I cannot make my final decision right now. However, I will.

And I'm going to say, I'm going to say C plus right now. I'm going to go B plus. I kind of like it. With, it has the possibility to get up to A minus, but I have to look at it on court. That's a wide-ass range, C-plus to A-minus. What are you going to see To change it that much

Encore vibes matter a lot Okay, fair enough I think it works I like it a lot I think that's a good way To mix areas A minus I think I could do

Without the black block On the front chest of it But I think it's good I think without the back block Without the black block It'd probably be too much gold It's never too much gold It's never

Okay Exactly Yeah I'll go B plus actually Okay And that's the last one And with that We have graded every single

2025, 2026 City Jersey. We can rest. We will see y'all next year for another year of grading city jerseys. How do you feel about this year compared to the rest?

Less stinkers, but the stinkers today really piss me off. The Hornets? That I hated that. You're lucky con can nipples on your team and he's hooping. I don't even,

man, I got some words for you guys. The magic made me the most mad. I fucking hate the Magic jersey. They made me mad. I didn't like the hornets. Yeah. I hated the hornets the most. Okay.

Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to name an NBA player. and I want you to tell me if you think they will make the Hall of Fame Okay. So a lot of current day players you think they're on that trajectory

if there's some retired players they're going to make it now different phases, different players but will this player when it's all said and done be a Hall of Famer? Yeah. First off, Donovan Mitchell.

Yes, I think so. Now, though he is in lack of a championship, he has no All-Star or he has no MVP, he has no like anything really to crown himself in NBA history. final appearance moments has he made the conference finals no he hasn't oh i so talent wise clearly

he's a hall of fame trajectory type of guy at this age i do i'm kind of scared that maybe if he doesn't make some kind of big run that he might be one of those players you look back on and be like remember de Mitch he was crazy i'm kind of worried people might forget about him and right now that's exactly where where he's at i just think it's so it's so hard especially when you don't have like at least one playoff run that you can point to of having a getting to the conference finals or getting to the finals and then even the major accolades in terms of stacking up all like all NBA first and second teams and MVPs and stuff like that. It's really, really hard. And especially right now in this season, as we're looking

for Evan Mobley to take the leap and be the number one guy, are we going to get to a point where, hey, I'm no longer the best player on my own team. Even whenever we're making those runs, it's going to, the case is going to be really weird for Donovan Mitchell. I'm going to say no right now. Six-time All-Star right now, two-time All-N-B-A. I think one of those is first team all-N-B-A. Very good player. That's not a Hall of Fame player.

Yeah, I think he might. It's tough also because a lot of players get into the Hall of Fame and everyone's like, the basketball Hall of Fame is so easy. Usually they have international play or they have college. He doesn't have that. So I don't know. He still has plenty of time. He's not old yet.

So I think he's on the path. He has to do something a little more significant or just have really good longevity. long as you have to get you into the Hall of Fame. So if he becomes a 10-time All-Star, maybe one or two more, all-N-BAs, is really high on the point score for the Cavs. He becomes a Cavs legend. He could make it, but if he retired today, it would be a no.

Yeah, I think he did, going back to what you said about the playoffs stuff, he did have not a run, but he jogged in place. He had fantastic moments. He has had plenty of playoff moments. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I think it was in the bubble against the Denver Nugs when he was going band-for-bang with Jamal Murray.

It happened such a long time ago, but it is still moment. that he's had. And the cast can make the finals this year. They make the finals and he goes crazy. Like he always usually does in the playoffs as a score. Stamp it. He can stamp it.

He's real close to stamping it. But right now it's, you can argue and be against it. He's in my Hall of Fame. Yeah, I think he'll get there, but it's real close. I'm saying no right now. Jalen Brunson.

Hell no. Damn. I don't know. I think right now, pro basketball, Pro Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame for what? Well, okay, so again,

it's the Basketball Hall of Fame. We were talking about some people have collegiate, some people I have international play. He has national championships that you can point to. If you have maybe five more years of this level of production. That's a lot of years for a small guard. I understand.

Like, that's what it's going to take. I'm not saying that he's close to it right now at all. But it's going to take at least another five more years, another long playoff run. And maybe if we can get to a, if the Knicks get to the finals, stamped. Okay. But if not, then you're going to need at least another Eastern Conference final. Yeah, the Knicks make the finals for sure stamped. the moment making a conference finals then making a finals

being one of the best development stories of all time one of the best second round picks of all time that's going to be a good like fairy tale to get him into the Hall of Fame that's going to be a good like piece of lore you're known for this thing that New York tax is carrying just a little bit too The New York tax will carry for sure longevity won't be a thing here because he got started a little bit late

but the New York tax and carry him to the Hall of Fame the New York tax and again the national championships that tax would boost him up as well very sure next up Jalen Brown is the finals MVP going to be a Hall of Famer. That is, this is going to be controversial. A finals MVP is something.

It's definitely on the line, multiple time all-star. He's never been a part of the first team all-N-B-A. I'm assuming he's had a couple third teams on his record book as well, but I don't know if he can be a hall of-office. He's one-on-B-A team, 2023. Sorry, man. Four-time All-Star, one-time champion, finals MVP. Four-time All-Star.

See, and like, finals MVP, it's very, very. it's very, very honorable, very noble. However, there's some finals MVP's that are not going to make the actual Hall of Fame. Yeah, the actual Hall of Fame. He might just be the best of that class. Yeah. This is a debate to me.

Like, I don't think, he's not a Hall of Famer. At this point, barring big jumps and barring more jewelry, if this team goes on another run, Jason Sanding comes back, they win a bunch of championships, and, like, he's just a definitive, important piece to a great team that defines the 2020s, then sure. But as of now, I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. Yeah, and no signs, no signs, points of that for all happening. You have to have long runs it down nights, bro.

Yeah, he's a Hall of Famer at the bank, though. Sure, all bad getter Hall of Fame for sure. Al Horford. Yeah, I think, I think Al Horford is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. First ballot. I think, I think Al Horford has longevity, played in the league over 20 years. He has an NBA championship. He has back-to-back college championships.

Yeah. He's going to be a first battle Hall of Fame. He checks all the accomplishment boxes you can want. He's been the best player on a playoff team. He's had a time as the man, had a time as a sidekick, had a time as a fifth option. Like, he's really succeeded at every level. I'm just so happy this argument you guys are making right now because I agree. You don't have any bad blood in your mind as a Hawks fan?

Nah, I... Not holding your grudges? No, we were fucking terrible. He should have left, bro, for being... He made the right choice for himself. We have to respect it. People are going to be so mad and like, bro, Horford, what are you made, Hall of Famer? look at his numbers never have it's over 20 a game or whatever but none of that matters

and jaylon brown can't make it nope yeah how about that how about no rajan rondo multi-time champion for two organizations the two most popular organizations in the sport nope this is this is this is the epitome of you got your jersey retire but you're not a hall of famer who's i don't even know who's returning his jersey the celtics should retire his jersey okay i think if if any team was going to retire her jersey it would be be the celtics and i think that I think they could I don't even know if that happens with the way he left

or how their situation is like abruptly ended I don't think so I can't remember did he leave that badly I know when he got traded he left the next few teams badly but I can't remember

how the Celtics thing ended I can't remember I can't remember exactly how animus it was I don't remember it being like graceful though yeah I don't know but he's right in the line

their accomplishments are there multiple rings an important part of those rings especially the first one he's in the hall of very good okay the hall of very good okay let's start making that distinction for some of these guys

yeah we'll make our own Hall of Fame for the guys just below yeah Carl Anthony Towns no he said hold on why did you ask this yeah I don't think he has a chance at unless like again on with the Bruns and thing

like he helps carry them to the NBA finals and they like have somewhat of a dominant we were saying if Brutzen makes the finals he could be All the Fame right. Yeah, but Brunson won a championship in college. Kat's going to have a lot of, Kat's going to be pretty high on the all-time points for a center, I bet. That's fine, but like, I don't know.

They, they do have to, okay, for Brunson, they just have to make the finals. The Knicks have to win the championship for Kat to start being in those conversations. And Kat got to go crazy to winning the championship. He might have a good amount of all-stars, good longevity, really high in the points scored. Maybe some deep success with the Knicks.

We're always going to know what the conversation was when Kat was playing. The voters aren't going to forget. get how detrimental some certain parts of the game work. Exactly. I'm going to say no right now. Yeah. Dwight Howard's on the Hall of Fame. I don't know if Carlson Town is going to be the whole fame.

God, no. But Dwight's probably going to make it eventually, right? It's 100% going to make it. Yeah, yeah, okay. I'm talking about the person, the, the greatest people have on certain style of play stuff that they're like, no, actually, that's a bad example. Dwight's is a lot more personality based than Kat. So poor example, pretend I didn't say that.

Not to give him any Dwight Howard allegations. DeMontes a bonus. Hell not. Hell no. No consideration? No, no consideration. whatsoever there's no there's no reason why subona should be in the hall of fame yeah there's nothing you can point to towards telling me that he deserves to be a hall of famer there's no like long

illustrious career he didn't win in college he didn't like are we forgetting he lit the beam over 50 times that one year he lit the beam for sure but you couldn't get passed by the first round you only have one playoff the beam was lit 50 times regardless shot to sacramento who else Let the beam 50 times for the Kings. Steph Curry. I'm saying no. And this should be a no break. Kevin Love.

Right on that line, Hall of Very Good, I think. This one's kind of tough. The championship with the Cavs is, I think it's a pretty impressive thing. It's impressive, but he wasn't like, momentous. Like, they could have won that

without him, I think. I don't know. He handicapped this team plenty of times in the playoffs. I don't know about all that. I mean, that's what playing with LeBron does, you know what I'm saying? He was getting 30-30s.

Is Chris Bosch all the famer? Yes. Okay. And he's right below that in terms of what he did as a one option. Yeah. And won a few less chips with LeBron than Chris Bosch did. Or one less. Yeah.

Again, Holler very good. I don't know if you would make it. If Kevin Love did end up making it, he would probably have to wait several years. Like, he's not first ballot. Yeah. I wouldn't be mad at Kevin Love making it all, but I'd also understand if he doesn't.

Yeah. Tray Young Why? Is he on the... Obviously the guy is young It's not about right now No is he on that trajectory Nope

What could he do to be a Hall of Fame Win two championships And return to shooting Consistently good It can be in the Hall of Very Good I don't think there's a shot That he makes the Hall of Fame Listen we will never forget

What he did in college Was fucking crazy What I know what you're saying Then he could be in the collegiate Hall of Fame And we will never forget 2021 but he's not a Hall of This opportunity might have passed him by because the opportunity was last year,

if he would have gotten traded to the Spurs instead of Deer and Fox and could have been a guy that maybe wins championships with victory Roman Yama, that type of role for him, I think you could find a way to get a Hall of Fame case one day.

If he gets the perfect opportunity to have team success for a long time, next to a player better than him, this could be that type of guy that sneaks his way in with team success. But I don't know. I don't see the opportunity

coming elsewhere. And who knows, like maybe that opportunity eventually will be there. Maybe not what the team that he's curling on right now. But as of now, because of all these alternate we're not realities that we're talking about, he's not a Hall of Famer.

Yeah, with the Hawks, he's not going to be a Hall of Famer. Yeah. Get him to the right fit to be a good second option. Maybe we can get something going. But trust, we are hanging that 11 up in this, in the stadium for sure. It could have been different, but you know, they traded for Dejante Martin. Tough. Tyrese Halliburton.

Do we think he'll get back on, after the injury, is he going to be on Hall of Fame trajectory after the crazy breakout he had last year? I think so. I think you already have the fact, you already have Halliburton leading a team to the finals. You already have him stamped as having one of the clutches playoff runs of all time. If you can, if he can come back and be Tyrese and have another eight years of being Tyreys Halliburn, making all-stars, making three all-MBAs,

yeah, he could be a Hall of Fame. Two-time All-N-Ba right now, one-time finals appearance. Yeah, I think as long as he continues going by what you just said, like being a consistent all-star putting up 19, 20 points a game, leading an insanely tough Indiana Pacers team, I think he could be a hall of a favorite. It really comes down to. how he recovers from the injury.

Yeah. I think if last year, if the injury never happened and he came into this year with that same level of play, yeah, we could assume for the next seven years he'll be an all-star player

and this would be the type of guy that we say like all the, he plays the right way, impacts winning more than the stats, he'll have that legend on his shoulders with an Achilles terrace, TBD. Yeah.

Yeah. She goes to Alexander. He's in the Hall of Fame right now. Okay, if he retired, if he retired today, would you already be a Hall of Famer? Yes. He's an MVP of the league.

He's the finals MVP. He's the champion. He's multiple time. All NBA. player like he's average 30 multiple season yes he's the Hall of Famer okay I put him in here not for pace just if he retired today and the career was over after one

championship I understand imagine if Team Max career had championships damn yeah he could he could he could he could tear both Achilles at the same time we're putting him in Hall of Fame god damn yeah we can't just say he retires now he has to catastrophically end his career doing parkhors yeah he falls off a cliff into a volcano

backwards then he's a Hall of Fame Zion Williamson Hall of Fame not basketball, but something else. Hall of Fame or disappointments? Damn. Easily, yes. Hall of flops?

Mm-hmm. Fall of fame. You proud of that? Shut us to the word. That's so casual. That's good. I like it. I want to know if you felt the same way.

Is there any path? Does I'm getting on track? Hell no. Zero chance, right. He stopped making it. They won't let him in the building. Yeah, they would literally decide to just end it. They get security on him?

Yeah. Yeah, call it bouncing. We have a problem. Call it bounce it. You're not getting in. You're not listening to these speeches, bro. They are eliminating the Hall of Fame feature. You can't even look at the bus.

No. LeBron James. I don't know, maybe. What's he missing? He plays his cards, right? You know, like, I don't know what is going to take. He is the lead leading score of all time. He has like four championships.

Inflation. He has like four MVPs or three of them. Mickey Mouse. He doesn't have a DPOI. Exactly. Weak as fuck. Exactly. I think like when you look at, when you look at the fact that he has four for

MVP's, some people like, and especially if you ask LeBron, he might say that he should have more. Now you actually underachieving. I can't give with that. Not in my hall of fame. Yeah, I'm not putting a disappointment in the Hall of Fame. So sorry. Bum

And that's the last one That is our Hall of Fame debates For the day Next thing we're going to do I'm going to put this on my head I got this little pink thing Normally we put these on my head We put a player on it as well

And I have to try to guess the player We take turns doing that right Not today We're going to take turns We have a stack here of numbers I'll go first I'm going to pick a number I'm going to put it on my head

I have to try to guess The number I have And the only hint you guys can give me is by naming a player that is approximate to that number. Hmm. So for all your listeners...

What's the range of numbers? Just one to ten? Zero to one hundred. Zero to one hundred. Yep. And we'll pick a category and try to name a player that is of that proportionally.

Okay. You guys will take your insane names I'll try to guess. Zero being bad. 100 being good? Yep. So is this facing the right way? Yes.

Yes, it is. Actually, I think I saw that. It's facing the right way? Yes. Okay. Put it on my head. Can't get it in there. Oop.

Come on now. I'm failing miserably. Take your time. Got it. There you go. Okay. So that's on there? Mm-hmm.

So what category should you do first? Position team. Let's do point guards. Okay. Okay. Category when we got point guards. Who was the first player? It comes to mine.

I'm thinking like Ty's Jones. Damn. I was going to say Jemir Nelson. So you have like a good... Those guys are very different. I think Jemir Meles is a lot better than Tice Jones. 40. Um

Okay That's a good starting point Fine Okay I name another player It's like Either better or worse Isaiah Collier

Uh What You say Isaiah Collier I might go Maca McClung What Mac McClung The Dunker who barely Has an NBA contract

He actually just got He just got cut 10 Okay 10 This doesn't be ridiculously low Um Closer

All right How do you go for Jimmy Nelson and Mac Mac MacMclan okay we're listen we're still you know we're working through we're getting to feel for it okay we're working through this game okay um brawny james

yeah why are you doing this to me yeah five no he's bro ronnie's okay okay okay oh all right let's go let's go like Steve Blake okay there we're 25 there we go I thought, this has to be super fucking low. Yeah, there we go.

There we go. There we go. Ronnie Jay is like, why do you go lower? Because Brody Jays is worse than... He's not worth than MacMoclon. Not a conference I care to have. But yeah, I guess.

All right. There's a player. Here you go. Put on your forehead. It's facing me. It does that way. Backwards. There you go.

And it's facing the right way. Yeah, be good now. Put it in there. Okay. Hey, yo. We're here. here. Okay.

What category should you do? Um, we could do small forwards. Yeah, let's do small forwards. Aaron Wiggins. Aaron Wiggins. Okay, so this guy is,

could be a six minute of the year, Kenner. He has offensive juice. I'm going to say 20. Um, Corey Brewer. Oh, fuck.

15. Uh, he did give him 50 to one time. okay um bubble t j warren oh shit he's got might be able to 35 um also covid jimmy butler who who oh 50 well you're terrible okay okay you're getting warmer no you're not relax i mean yes but keep you're over there let's go okay uh We're going small forwards only. Kevin Durant on Twitter.

Oh, shit. That's a lead. That's like literally the best ever. Oh, yeah. I'm going to say 95. LeBron when he's lying to people. Oh, 100. There we go.

There we go. There we go. bubble t j warren you should have known it's 100 it's perfect bubble t-day warn is hilarious close your eyes passes over just hit me a number yep put damn okay yep you're good put it in damn stop stop okay what position you want to do uh we'll go centers centers okay uh look Cornette. 35. You're starting way too.

What the fuck? Nas Reid. 45. Oh, shit. No, okay. I should have said somebody a little better. Okay.

Yeah, there we go. You feel a little bit better by him. Okay. That was easy. A little bit better back. I'm like that. Okay, my turn. Facing our way?

Yes. Oh, this is so hard. God, I keep doing it. Oh. Okay, maybe take it off. There you go. All right. Let's do.

Wait. I ask you up. Is it fitting right? Yeah. You can do point. Power forwards. Power forwards. Okay.

Bobby Portis on a good night. Bobby, wow, 52. Bobby Porter is 52? A good night in 2025 or a good night in 2021? A good night in 2023. Oh, fuck, right, but 44. Okay, just going a little bit lower. Okay, okay, okay.

Let's say, Dremont Green. Dremont Green? I think Jermon Green's amazing. I'm not 80? Okay, okay. A little closer. Let's go. Jonathan Camingo, when he's having a,

a decent shooting night. Not a good one, a decent shooting night. A decent shooting night. A nice average shooting night. Give a cool 18 points. Yeah. Run the break. 62. Ooh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. We're building Scotty Barnes. I don't know.

75? You think way too highly. Scott. I was just saying right now. The first thing is calm down. Okay. We have to, we have to. Think about where to, where to lead him. Julius Randall.

That's a, that's a good. Julius Randall. Yes. 70. Okay. Julius Randall when he, uh, has a bad attitude. 60. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. You didn't way too high. It's got it. All right. Here you go. Close, Josh.

Ooh. Okay. That is facing the right way now. Interesting one. Okay. Let's say, let's do NBA duos. Duos, okay. NBA duos.

Okay. Joelle Embed and James Hardin. Joel and Beed and James Hardin made it to the first round. And I think they, or second round, I got embarrassed. I'm going to give them 50. Okay. Now, you're thinking about them as a whole. Think about Joelle and Beed and James Hardin, but only in the first round.

80 okay now okay now think about hmm have a lot of now think about Joel and B and James Hardin in the first round

but James Hardin is playing to go to the club after he's not playing about none but his reputation is on the line everyone's watching I'm going to give that a 90 okay think about that but also he went out to the club night before that

so he's a little sluggish then he's a little sluggish so let me give this a 85 85 there we go damn James damn

you gotta disappoint me like that last one give this to him to give this to him okay and okay well what should we do for him

okay um we can do shooters shoot shooters okay Ben Simmons I need one name Michael kid Gilchris zero zero

does that to make sure I didn't need a confirmation yeah it is damn that's the end of that Someone who hasn't heard of Michael Kate Gillis and be like, damn, he's that bad? What do you say fuck me for? Next thing we're going to do, let's talk about players currently bawling out for their teams in this young season.

True. Well, let's pick the player making the biggest breakout this season at every position, point guard through center. Gotcha. Starting off, point card. A couple options we can go with. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking the Giddler. It probably has to be the Gidler. Tyree's Maxie is making a pretty good jump to me.

I feel like he's becoming like a legit All-Star guy that can be the big. best player in offense yeah that's that's fair but the giddler went from oh i think he's bad to oh no i think he's good i don't think we should say giddler not anymore i don't think ever but josh giddler he's making the biggest jump from what we thought he was to what he is now he's completely like reconstruct this entire representation i think it's a play on didler I think that's what it means. It is. Yeah.

Josh Gini has made the biggest jump from what we expected to what he is now going forward. This is a definition of a breakout. He not only reconstructed his game on the court, but also with how we think about him literally, just now.

Yeah. Tier 1 for sure. 100%. Shooting guard. We can go Tyrus Maxi if you want to give him praise. We can go Austin Reeves for averaging 30.

I think it's Austin Reeves. He just literally forced himself into all-star conversations. People think he's an all-star right now as you speak. You have 50 to start the season. You're averaging 30. There's a game with no brawn, no Luca.

And Austin Reeves said, he said, it doesn't matter. Why? He's still good. I don't think you should do that either. Austin Reeves is hooping. Small forward. I think it's probably the player that we said was going to be the breakout star before the season for the small four position. It's got to be Denny.

Yeah, I think it's Denny. If you want to have conversations about me, Hawkes, we could have him. It's not going to be that long, but then he takes his home because he is legitimately again, an all-star caliber player. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Power forward. Scotty Barnes is having a breakout year. He's having a bounce back year, as I say. I don't know

if that's enough. But he's been also before, so maybe it's not necessarily a fair breakout. Kaminga. I think Kaminga might be it. But breakout, like, he's gotten a little bit better. Like, he's being like a good player that can start. But I don't know if it's a breakout. I mean, he wasn't a good player. We could start before.

Can I introduce you to a Jalen Johnson once again? You've been talking trashed by his defense. Bro, he's still putting up numbers, 21, 8, and 5 don't move. You're happy watching the numbers? Yes. Cap. Yeah. He'll be those a defense.

So we're at Caminga, Scotty Barnes. Camiga might be the best fit because... We can go Hamir Hamehawka is the three and put any of the four, just to pay respect to both of them. I mean, Hawkins has made a big improvement. But it's not... I'd rather... I'd rather give those flowers to Camiga because he's literally playing. with thin a system.

And Camigga's not? I mean, they both are. Exactly. They both are. And thank God they can be a system player. Well, not necessarily. I think,

because, I mean, Cominga has been in this system and did just genuinely get better where they changed the system and then, and Juan Wick is out here. Okay, so we go Camiga. Pay respect to the fact that now

the Warriors don't have to trade them and before the season we thought they did. So that's a breakout. Yeah. Center. Wembe. Like. But he was.

He was already an all-star. Does that still count? He was an all-star, but now he's like a superstar and people, at least were talking about him as one of the four best things. Okay. He's going from the top ten talks, the top five talks. That's a breakout to some extent. Crazy, yeah. Is there anybody else that's breaking out of the position?

I mean, shit, it was Walker Kessler until he, his shoulder got molded. Damn it. So Wembe it is? Maybe one be, oh, bam out of bio. Oh, no, we got a glaze, Wemby some more. Fuck, I hate when this happens. Bamadabio is the best three-point shooting center in the league right now. luck out of my face.

We're going Victor Romaniama at the center position. We could go ahead and give him his kudos right there. But we're not. But we're not. Victor Romaniama for center. Next thing we're

going to do we are going to make all-time NBA starting fives. But we're not going to do it with teams. We're not going to do it with organizations, anything of the sort. I'm a named to you a random category

and we have to make the all-time starting five of that category. Players with dreadlocks. Okay. So is John, John the point guy. Jarre or Drew Holiday? Drew Holiday.

Drew Holiday is a ring. Let's do Drew Holiday. I feel better. Well, I feel like we could put... I feel like we could put... I feel like we could put Jot the one, drew out the two, and kind of fill out the back court.

Or am I missing somebody? Do you tell me, I'm... I don't know. No. I don't think I'm missing anyone. So if those two are the back court, I'm good with that. Okay.

Center. We want to go with that. Beast, too, we need elite defense. All time, though. All time. Can we count Tim Duncan because he got him when he retired. No, no.

I know. You want to put Jordan Hill in that bitch? What the hell? Just the first part you can think of it. Do you want to put Chris Copeland in that? Oh, my God. So we put Jeremy Lynn. Kenneth Reed.

Oh, Jeremy Lynn. Put Neneh. Neneh has some good years. Neney had great years. Kenneth Reed has a good year's too, though. Yeah. Nene's better than him, though. Is he?

No. I don't know about that. That's nasty couples. Nasty. Oh, Jimmy Butler is small forward. Oh, yeah. yeah yeah for the infamous media day we've yeah he he's had him on that's fake though he's had him on there he's had him on and it's a great job too

to do you buddy's making our list that someone goes crazy man that's terrible so now we don't respect wigs that's terrible long time uh we have thoughts uh i googled more names that had him and google some of his He should come out with a Bob Yeah, Jimmy Bellet, next Media Day shows up in a Bob wig Do you a young Chris Bosch? Oh, young Chris Bosch?

Bob's hilarious He's got my hair, dude You Young Chris Bosch of the Power Ford Yes We can put Chris Boss there Unless the AD did you ever have dreads I don't know if AD had braids I don't know if AD had dreads

Yeah, he did have dreads Yeah, he did have dreads, yeah, he did last year's the Lakers they have Or were they braids? I believe he had both I believe he had both He had dreads, I don't know, he had dreads, I don't know, Yeah, they weren't long. Oh, he had braids. I don't, yeah, I don't ever remember that.

Actually, I don't know what do you know. Yeah, I don't know right here. And guess what? He had dreads. Yep, he did. See? Even if he did. Yeah, I count. And guess what?

Okay. Well, then it counts. You go Bosch and Power Forward AD at Center. On our team, you're going to play the 5AD. I don't care what you're talking about. You're playing the 5 before us. Okay. So we got Bosch at the 6th at the 7th.

Center, and we got AD, I mean, Blach the Power 4, AD in center. Yeah. This is kind of fire. How many wins is this? This is the actual, this is an elite team. This is incredible. Minimum, the shooting is dicey, but the defense is hell. It's ridiculous.

We're going to have the bench jaw at some point, but it's a good team. All right, next list we're going to do, bald players. Let's go the other way now. Perfect. Bald points. This is what I've been waiting for. Who's a bald point guard? All time ball.

point guards. Did magic ever go fully bald? No. I think he always had a little bit of hair. No. Yeah, he was on the dock rivers. So is Jason Kidd the best ballpoint guard?

Kid. Because Curry's obviously never went bald. Chris Paul don't count. Yeah, he don't count. Chris Paul is real close to bald. But he's... But he wasn't good when he was close to bald. But he's holding off, though.

So yes, we can go Jason Kidd. Okay. We're not forgetting anybody? Like obviously Nash and everyone involved. I'm trying to think of the all-time guys. No. No, I think he... Okay, kid.

That shooting guard. I think we go Derek White. this guy I was gonna go Alex Crusoe oh shit you want up me I guess we can go Jordan I guess we can go the gambler

I guess so small forward the gambler the best bald small forward the rip him what's the rip him Clyde went bald

to did Pippin ever go bald no no hell not he didn't go out or remember that nope he did not Larry Bird never went bald

no Katie needs to but he won't LeBron for a summer did never played a game though we can put Kobe at small Ford and just cheat okay

Ray Allen when bald Ray Allen even Kobe no Kobe was bald as shit Kobe went bald true I forgot let's be Kobe yeah we could do Shane baddie

I'm sure we can Kobe is our center I mean our small forward we're gonna put it power forward I'm thinking KG KG oh it has to be KG for sure it has to be Kevin Gardner Yeah, it's either KG or Barclay.

Or you put, yeah, you could put Barkley and then KG at the 5. We got mad centers. We got Hallibald centers. Take your pick of all the good ones. Yeah, okay. Shaquille O'Neal, welcome to our center position.

Or Junkle Creme. Let's suppose Shaq. I think he's been bald for a longer role playing. Yeah, and Shaq was like bald, he embodied a little more, I think. Yeah, he won championships as the best part of his team while being bald as far. That's true.

He has the best bald peak outside of Jordan. Yeah. Okay. Now we got balds out of the way. let's do the funniest players of all time do you guys want to do the funniest players or the best good players that are funny probably the funniest players okay funniest players strike my memory all time lineup of funny players okay um so at point guard pat bev it's kind of up there um recent memory you're absolutely correct but does he belong in like an all timeless

he's pretty like he's done some like he's he's giving us some great moments he's He has. Okay, we'll go Pat Bebba point guard. Pat Beb is hilarious for whether you're laughing at him or with him. I do not know, but he is funny. Then obviously our big man group. Yeah, he said Curry, these last five years were yours. The next five are mine.

He is so dumb. He belongs there. Barclay and Shack. Go on power towards the center, obviously. Oh, yeah. Who do we fill out in our wing groups? I think LeBron probably deserves a spot. LeBron's pretty funny.

Is Kevin Durant funny? No. No. overall he can be he can be funny about he can be He belongs here Maybe he doesn't have the most consistent track record of funny Is Ron our test funny Kind of it depends on what type of funny

Like you're talking about Not funny for real though I mean kind of but not really Nah Blake griffin Do we want to put Blake at the three It's kind of cheating Is it cheating?

A little bit I think we can give Ron a spot on our list The dad jokes he's a funny guy It's a constant meme every single year That's something that we'll be able to use can guard. Ant's pretty funny. Oh,

and it's hilarious. Yeah. I think, I think just for representation along with Pat Beb for the modern era, well, actually we got three guys

for the modern era. Never mind. Either way, and you're on our list. Okay, it can be on the funny list. Even if it's not accurate, he can be on there.

Nice. Now let's do all-time starting line up of second round picks. Yokic's the greatest of all time. Yep. Obviously, Yokic is on there.

Manu. is one of a shooting guard Yeah Does Brunson deserve the point Gar spot already? Yeah Low key Low key

Is your fucking Fredman Vleet? Like I guess it has to be Brunson I think it's Brunson Yeah Yeah let's go Brunson Who else to make conference finals Leading the team

It probably has to be Brunson Yeah we'll go Brunce at the point At the three Austin Reeves He was undraft I'm just kidding I wish Oh yeah

You're straight duh I don't know why I loop that together In my head Where did you say Small forward and power forward Oh so Chris Chris Middleton. I forget about him.

Chris Middleton. He was in the second round, yeah. Important part of a championship team. Yeah. And then at the four, we have to argue between Dennis Rodman and Dremont Green. This team is nasty as fuck, man. It's filthy. I'm going to, I'm going Dremont Green personally, up between those two.

Just because the offense is so much better. Pick your poison, man. It don't matter. I don't care. Dremont and Yok is the most ridiculous big man passing of all time. Man. This team is walking to a championship. Yeah.

They might sweep the NBA playoffs. Jeez, this team is disgusting. It seems ridiculous. Okay. Now, next one, we are going to do, which one do next? European bucket getters. Ah. Manu, stay right there.

So not just European players, but European buckets. Okay. We're starting this list with one Luca Donchich. He's the captain. He has to be. The greatest European bucket of all time. That's fair. Second greatest?

We got to go, Dirk and Yokic at the 4 and 5. Yokish is for sure on there? Yes. Okay. Dirk and Yokich. See, you don't think of Yokic. as a bucket. Oh, trust I do.

And then you look up and he has 50. Trust I do. Yeah, those two undefined, deniably, three of the greatest buckets of all time are European bucket getters.

Again, I will always advocate for Manu. He doesn't have the stats necessarily to back the up. He's not European. Oh, he's from Argentina. Which essentially can be counted as European.

He is European, but we're not going to count it for this. I guess so. Those motherfuckers are European. Shooting. guard and small forward Drozhen Petrovich Oh

Okay is he the biggest bucket shooting guard Or small forward I'm going to shoot At the two Droz and Petrovich Is he the biggest European bucket getter

At the two Oron Drogich Petrovich I think He's better than him He's a better shooter than him For sure Yeah Me

Should we go Yeah What are you thinking Yeah This guy doesn't This guy doesn't meet the qualifications. What are you to say?

I'll say Shea, but no. Certainly not European. He's not European at all. Pesha. Pagia 3? Petych of the 3. Petrovich at the 2. Okay.

DeLift. Danilo Gallinari. Did he do you get on all levels? Yeah. I think all ball two, post game. I think we could go Gallinari at the 3. Gallinari played in league for so long. And like he was only there because he was a bucket gooder.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Because he couldn't move. He could have. Galanari and Drozhen. Okay. Again, 100 win team.

They're winning a finals easily. They're playing no defense. We have them for their buckets. We don't need defense. We don't even like defense. No, Hito. Who's the best defender here, Drozzen? Ew.

Oh, wow. I guess so. Yeah. Okay, next up, next category. All-time NBA goons. Dremont, welcome to the crew. Jamon a goon? Yes.

Yes. He's just a bully, bro. Like, literally the other day, he was talking about how he was trying to get into the mind of Ryan Rawlins. Why are you trying to bully Ryan Rawlins? And he was like, you know, he earned his respect. He's a goon. He's always checking everybody for no reason. But Robin's a bigger goon than Jermon Green.

Robin is there as a powerful spot before he does? I think so. Okay. I think so. And then at the center, we can go either Rashid Wallace or Ben Wallace. No bill and beer. Original goon, true. We got to pay respect to the white goons.

Okay. You can have some diversity. But I'm not going to write off the Wallace's. I mean, if we're going to have, you know, you know what? DEI. Lambere. We got to give him something. Otherwise I'll complain.

It's about that wrong, whatever. Small forward goon. Artis. Oh, yeah. No competition. No competition. Do we go Gary Payton at the point guard? Yeah, why not?

I think that's an easy one. But he's move over a talker. He's an all-time shit-talker. Yeah. Does that count? He could be on the short list, but... There's not a lot of small goons out there. Jordan's, I heard of punching teammates.

Does I make him a go goon or does I make him an asshole? Yeah. It's kind of an ass. Okay. At the two, you want to go James Johnson? At the two? I do not. I mean, he's...

Put our test at the two. He is a goon. If we need James Johnson on this list, he gets hired specifically to be a security guard. He's a goon. He stayed in the league for his goonery. Yeah, he was literally at the... At the last Bucks game, didn't even play. It's not a part of the team.

Just sitting on the sidelines. Is there Gooning? Yeah, literally. Okay. Point guard. One spot left. Pat Beb would like his name to be on here. He's like books would like his name to be on here.

Yeah, fake goon. There's always, there's always Gary Payton. There's not a lot of small goons these days at all. Yeah. I think like to be a goon, it comes from being big your whole life. That's kind of like the intro to goonery. Most of small guys aren't really built like that. Yeah.

I guess it would be, like, it would be Gary Payton. T.B3 is just like a... Hail nah. He's annoying. He's a dickhead. He's not a goon. Yeah, he's just annoying as though. He's weaponized dickhead in a good, in a great way that leads itself to value, but it's not quite goon.

It gives me go Gary Payton. He's always talking shit. Okay. Payton's a good pick here. Gary Payton for our goon team. The greatest goons of all time. The greatest goons of all time. Next one.

Ooh. The all-time swall team. Just muscles One through five Muscley guys Desmond Bain You are here all the time He is there

The only all time list you'll ever make Yeah I think Desmond Bain should be on here Does it be our small shooting guard He's small man Yeah He got his hail David Robinson should be on here

Is here our center? Okay Yeah we can put David Robinson here Moses Malone It's extremely swole Who about Zion? No I was thinking Janus Yeah so

So the only reason why I didn't have Like Zion or Shack on here It's like you're just big Yeah, just girth Okay But okay Oh do you want to go David Robinson Or do we want to go

Thurman Nate Thurman's also He was a fucking unit He looks like he was all crazy And I know they didn't have it back to it I mean Dave Robinson was literally in the military But he was swole

I don't know Swole Dave Thurman is cuts Yeah He terms of muscle and he's bald That makes it better It makes him look more angular He was like 70s ball

Where he had the he had the you know The cul de set It makes him look more swall Yeah Pity the fool Go ahead and give him Neatthermin Can we go both

Okay Let's put Nate at the center And we'll put David Robinson At power forward That's fine Yannis Sorry point guard and small Eric Bledso

At the point guard That motherfucker was Jack Small Ford. Small Ford. Who is our most jacked small forge? We can also revisit those in Bain if we want. I think it's LeBron. Why not?

No. Can you get bigger than that? LeBron's pretty jacked. I don't know. He is. It's about 2013 LeBron. There's not a lot of dudes who are bigger than him. There's none.

Do you want to say like PJ Tucker? Hell no. Jack's Yeah, we can't There's no other option I think this Listen, when yada's first came into Lee

He was small forward He was skinny as hell too We're going Braun Braun has to be on our all-time Jack starting five

You can't talk about muscles without LeBron It would simply be unjust to the sport itself It's too misglaze Part of his identity Last one Bad Shooters

All-time lineup of bad shooters MKG MKD But he's not No, there's guys, there's more shooters. No, I'm going, Ben Simmons at the one. Yes. But how can you be called a bad shooter

when you don't even do it, though? MKG actually shoots the ball. Andre Robeson shot the ball. And Andrew Robeson should be at R2. He should. Yeah, he should. And I think we had to skew towards modern players because it matters more.

Back in the day, they had these players that didn't shoot a lot. Yeah, it didn't matter because that was the era. So with that being said, Jared Vanderbilt, welcome to the small Ford? Small forward or power? Power for. Small.

Leave our options open. Sure. Fair. Jared Vanderbilt. He puts them up. Okay. I'll give them that. Vando small forward.

Power forward in the center. Power forward. Yeah, a lot of guys don't shoot. But like, who's the most non-shooting, non-shooter? The one to, like, as soon as the shot goes up, you know. Yeah. It's like, damn. I've.

Okay. It sucks because, like, he was taking these and he's gotten better. But, like, Janus would have been on this list. But now he isn't. I think for me at the five, I have this one memory ingrained for me into me for the rest of my life. It's when Bismack Bianbo was on the Hornets and he shot up three. And then I think it was maybe Eric Collins would call. He was like, no.

That's a good one. I think Gobert has to be the center. He's not shooting ass. Just the lack of skill there. Like, I feel like it has to be Colbert. Okay. But we can do BizR. Beyond if you want.

Something about Gobert screams. He needs to cap in this list to me. I've never seen him he made one midi and we said oh my god God's here they're gonna win the finals because he can't do

I think Gobert is on this list just because he looks so uncoordinated and it's like Gobert Mitchell Robinson also looks bad

oh he can power forward shit man he shoots like 23% from the free throw line or so he's Mr. Robinson

is there a power forward so you got Ben Simmons Andre Robes Jared Vanderbilt Mitchell Robinson and Rudy Gober good God

what does this team do what Defend. Rebound and defend. Oh, you're not scoring them at all. Their defense would be filthy. Mm-hmm. Ooh, you got Ben Simmons and Jared Vanipal five over screens.

You're cooked. You're not scoring a single time. Ew, man. You got Ben Simmons and Andre Robeson, too. Fuck. Hey, man, don't worry about that. Don't worry about the offense. We're here for defense.

We're in hockey subs every time down the field. Another court. Got a defensive rating of 50. All right, next thing up. We're going to play Keep 4 cut 4. But we're going to do Keep 4 trade 4. So I have eight players. You either pick 4 of them.

that their team should trade them, four than their team should cut them. Okay. I'm going to trade, keep them. So, you know, maybe there's more of these players that you think should be kept,

but you got to pick four to be traded. First off, John Morantz. You know what? And I feel like I keep saying this, but this is your last chance. You're on your final straw. You're on thin ice, buddy.

I'm keeping John Moran. Hell not. Keep them for what? You have won absolutely nothing, but a singular playoff win. you have one series went under your bed why you either fire the coach

or trade job pick your poison yeah I'm trading dog and I'm firing the coach too both of y'all can get out of here both y'all can scram yeah okay

we're gonna trade job rent then yeah the mottis a bonus damn I want to trade everybody but it is Sacramento what is it to lose what is it a game you might as well have

have a lifeer yeah keep them why not have a culture build something give people a reason to watch your game Yeah, trade him for what exactly? What is your goal? What is your aspiration?

Why are you a basketball team? Aspiration? Yeah. Aspiration, man. Carl Anthony Towns. Keep him. Yeah, keep. At this point, I think the only way that you would trade him is if you can go get Janus.

But that seems like that is off the table right now. So we're going to keep. We're going to keep cap. Okay, two keeps, one trade. Trey Young. Trades out. Damn. If you keep him, you only have one keeps by left.

Damn. trade him if if you wanted to you would you would have given him the extension already and he hasn't gotten it wanted he would exactly I don't want to but I think I might have to you might you can probably stomach that more than some other people that are coming up yeah if you don't got to trade them but you also could trade them for the purpose of this list he has to get traded regardless we're going to be competitive we don't have our own pick, we have the ability to save the entire NBA

by preventing the Sacramento or the San Antonio Spurs to get a great pick. So I think we'll train it. We'll survive. Okay, so now it's 2-2. Blank slate. Now, let's keep two cut two. Rudy Gobert. Keep him. We got to keep him.

Yeah, you have to keep... If you try to trade him, everybody else around the league sees what's going on. Yeah, they know what's up? I'm not giving you anything for Rudy Gobert's. I might as well just keep them. You might as to keep the defense alive. You're not going to give value. Write it out until he retires. Anthony Davis

Trade him Fast I should have traded him yesterday Let's tank immediately Let's go get a top three pick The maps to trade him Tomorrow Yeah

All right one in one One spot left on each side Devin Booker Keep Devin Booker Yeah He wants to be a lifer He doesn't give a fuck about the situation Let him

He probably does care He said he don't He said he wanted to leave the cool ass house When I pay you 72 million dollars a year You're gonna stay here buddy and you're going to like it, whether or not. Yeah, I'll be, I'll be an ounce. If he wants to play his whole rest of his career here, who are we to say not to?

Yeah, we also have no picks, too. Like, they have no control of their future. Let's have a good time. Let's have a good time. Let's get some buckets. Yeah, let's have a life first. So who are we trading? Last one trading.

Zion Williamson. Oh, yeah. Out of there. You guys nailed it. I've seen the first eight games. We clearly have no hope, anything. We just traded our first round pick for next year. We just got to get more picks now.

They're going to love Charlotte, Zion. Yeah. Charlotte out God, man And that is the end of this episode We've kept four We've cut for We've done a whole lot of stuff today

Long, fun episode If people are still here What should they comment? Comment the New Orleans Pistons And what's your favorite moment About the New Orleans Pistons Has been this year With that being said

We'll see y'all next week For another fun episode Rainbow Face Toma for a lot Ain't no way