The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put Every NBA Player In A 1v1 Bracket | Ep. 53

Episode Date: September 8, 2023

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Hi y'all. We have a very fun episode today. As you see by the title, we're putting every player in the NBA into a 1v-1 March Madness style bracket. I said every player. I'm a known capper. It's the top 64 players in the league, which is close enough. We lie all the time. We lie all the time. I love it. But we got these top 64. We put them in a randomized cedar. And we did it by going to the ringers top 100 players list. So there's no bias on our part of who we think of the top 64 guys. we took it from somebody else and I figured if we went one through 64 it would be too easy if it was like

Yokic versus MPJ or whatever so we put them all randomized so the seeds are completely random we can get some crazy matchups in the first round it's gonna be great hey I ain't go lie we might see a like a super mid role player sort in these brackets

because 1V1 is just like that 5V5 basketball and 1B1 basketball are completely different scenes bro so this is gonna be a good ass episode well so are we doing who would win and one who would win against each other or who's a better player

that's an important distinction let's go let's go I would say one we want against each other I think the conversation would be much more fun if we're talking about one on one

because that's a different game who would win to get each other okay facts all right we can do that but yeah man so we're gonna run through

this real quick and get started if we're watching on YouTube do us a favor drop a like and subscribe if you're on audio platforms leave us a rating give us five stars follow us on all of our socials

you see our personal on the screen right now yeah man let's get this bracket pulled up as you see here we got all these names let's jump trade and do it's i don't know i've never seen these seeds before so it's going to be interesting what i listen i know that you had nothing to do with the seating of this but i feel like

you did because rudy gober is the number one seed in this bracket and i don't i don't care if it was random it's disgusting this is terrible listen the seeds mean nothing right man so off the top rudy gobert versus jimmy butler our first one v one matchup who are we taking come on now What are we playing to? 7, 11, 21? It doesn't matter. Jimmy Butler is skunking Rudy Gaubert every time. Get him out of here.

Yeah. Rudy Gober. It's a rap. It's a rap. What is he doing a 1-V-1? Bro. It's a rap. What does he do in a 1-V-1? What's Rudy Gauber's go-to move?

He leaves the court. Like, he just walked off. He's not doing anything productive in a one-on-one. Yeah. I'm not taking it. No. Slow-footed. He's not terrible in the perimeter,

but necessary but like in this setup right here like it's just not going to work out in any way possible three-time defensive player of the year 5b-5 basketball you're like that one-on-one this is not your bag man jimmy butler you're on to the next round skunked yeah easy dove all right next one another interesting one nicholas claxton versus mcale bridges this is another one i feel like there's going to be a lot of these where it's probably like a big against the wing and we're just like personally i'm just going to be biased to the wings because a lot of it depends i mean listen some of some of the bigs have bags claxton does not fall into that category he has no back right so i'll take mckell bridges no one's there at home lobs

yeah facts even though mckell's not necessarily in my opinion one of the greatest iso scores in the NBA it's still going to be mcal bro he's good enough defensively also the length If the wingspan is there, he has handle, can shoot, like, bro, it's going to be McHale. Yep. On to the next one. It's an easy one. I love Claxton, but not for this. It's very similar to the previous debate.

Next one, James Hardin versus Chris Paul. This is better. Now, quick question to you guys. Unlimited dribbles or three dribbles? I'm not even going to think about that. That's too much you get into. That's good. I might say Chris Paul on this one.

I might lean this one for Chris Paul. Come on. Chris Paul's ancient. It is six inches lower, 60 pounds lower. It's got to be James Hardin. If we're doing three dribbles, I might take CP. CP's not getting by anybody. Listen, you have to remember, though.

This is not five-on-five regular season basketball. What we see in these clips is exactly what we get tricked by every off-season. Where people are in the gym, cooking everything. everybody. Ben Simmons, listen, Ben Simmons, if you put him on a summer highlight tape, he might make a run in this tournament. Oh my gosh. CP, CP in a one-on-one against James Hardin, if it's limited dribbles and he just has to get a shot off. I think I might take CP. I'm leading it. Let's let's say it's unlimited dribbles for the rest of the tournament. Okay, then James. Okay, we have to factor in defense into this two between the two and I just trust CP more in this one-on-one

instance. You trust 38-year-old CP defense one-on-one against James Hardin? Absolutely. James Harder stock is down to plunder. And CPs isn't? That man's a sixth man. That is true. He's a sixth man.

But what is James Hardin at this point? Exactly. Also, are y'all going CP on this? Yeah. If we're playing one-on-one, CP3 is the most competitive. I'm going to do anything to win. He's fouling James Harder on every single shot at him until he wins. Hey, you know what?

Guess if there's anybody who's going to call every single foul it's James Hardin and we can just keep running it back and I guarantee you Chris Paul

can play that game longer than James Hardin so I'm taking Chris Paul This is a one for the ages I'm outvoted I guess Chris Paul Let's go

This is going to be great This is disgusting All right Next up Kauai Leonard and Brooke Lopez Next send robo cop to the next round i love brook man but sorry

kairi irving and jeremy grant this is a good one tournament and this bracket was made specifically for kairi irving fans specifically for him as well he moves on to the next round it might be a while until i think that anybody can challenge kairi in a one-on-one yeah for sure i low-key think jeremy grant would probably be decent at this he's a prototypical do to potentially stop someone like Kyrie because he has length, he's not slow-footed and all that, can do shit offensively, but they're just

levels to how much shit he can do offensively and how high of a clip he can score on Kyrie, and I just don't think Jeremy would be like that in this situation. I don't think he's getting the ball back, period. All right, Carrie Irving, clean sweep. Next one, Michael Porter Jr. versus Brandon Ingram.

Hmm. Where are you guys going? exactly where I'm going. I mean, I would think my mind goes, Brandon Grimm's way fucking better. Yeah. But look, in a wealthy one setting, Porter might just shoot over everybody every time. He might be built for this. Bro, no dribbles.

He just pulling? I could imagine the world just like that easily. Michael Porter Jr., his name on the internet is Michael. Don't swing the rock Porter Jr. He doesn't pass. He's made for this. I'm taking him easy over Brandon Ingram. Over Brandon.

I don't know. easily consistently. Yeah, exactly. Inger's defense is a little bit better. I would say so. It's got to be Ingram.

Ingram for sure. Got to be. Why does it have to be? Because he's better at everything. Yeah, spot-up jumpers. Yeah. That's all we're doing.

That's all we're doing. I don't know. MPJ can't fucking dribble. He doesn't have to. He's 6-10 with a jumper. He can't, he won't even see Brandon Ingram's arm.

I got Ingram. Brandon. Brandon Ingram's pretty fucking. Yeah, exactly. And Prandingham's long as hell. Like, whoa. I know. I know.

I knew as soon as I was about to say the sentence, I knew what was going to happen. My bad. You know what? I'll give you guys Ingram just off. Just because I said that. My bad. You ruin it. My bad.

I lost. Next one. Kevin Durant and Bam out of bio. Listen, you give Bam out of bio three dribbles gets to that floater. I don't know. He might get, he might score a bucket. Just one though. Yeah.

And that's it Obviously, KD has a deep run in this tournament On to the next Yeah Janice versus Lamello Hold on This Listen

Go ahead I don't know Go ahead I don't know For me The lack of burst for Lamello and expulsiveness Really

Scroosome in this tournament And Yonis is descending Everything no matter what I was joking Janus low-key might be an incredible one-v-one player because like he just attached your shoulder

you're not stopping him like he might dunk every play I get that who gets the ball first I think I think Janus can clamp Lamello yeah like he's not he's not going around him if we're going unlimited dribbles though Lamello has a

How is he going to shoot over him with that push shot and then also he cannot get passed by Yannis point blank period It's not happening one time He misses one time he's getting his chest caved in every play yeah bro i get that but he that he mellow's outside shooter he's gonna miss once he's gonna miss once yeah no lamello and yonis in a one v one you need it you're gonna have to send

the mellow into the er because his chest is gonna get caved in and it's not gonna be a good look for him at all bro bro there's no chance y'all y'all one i just i don't think that it should be a sweep because i think that lamello actually has a chance here i think that if he's playing yonis he can bring Janus out and force Janus to to guard on the perimeter. And I think that, again, if we're doing unlimited dribbles, Lamello can do a little bit. Yonis is not Carl Anthony Towns. He can move his feet. Lamello is not strike free in my heart like that. One one hezzie and Lamello is gone. He's leaving Yonis in the dust. And then Yonis is chased down, off the backboard. I'm going to like Yonrae and in the finals. I'm going to Lamello. You guys have outvoted me.

So we can go on to the next But I'm taking mellow I don't know if anybody's been yonness loki This is gonna be crazy What? Dude you underestimate Athletic players in one v ones like that Like he tugs over people It's all about like yeah

And this is why I said And this is why I think we should have gone Three dribbles I think that if listen Running Dunk man He has no bag He has no jumper In a one-on-one situation

If we had three dribbles He would be very very little See but also in one-on-one situation. It doesn't matter about your bag. It's just about size also. You could be as bagless as you as ever, bro. And that's how you view yonis. It doesn't matter. Quick post up. Back down, back down, back down. Throw that bitch up and you're good. Or give him just a quick... He flying to the other side of the arena and it's over. Yonnas can do this shit like 2K. He can just run straight and just like attack your shoulder every play and lay up and you're

not long enough to contest him. That's what you think until I go get Blake Griffin and Blake Griffin can just stand five feet back and let Janus wind up like a toy and just run into his chest and not do anything. I don't think Janice is going to go as far as you guys think. He's going to pull out of contact dunk animation animation. All right next one. Deeran Fox versus Jason Tatum. Shout out Deeran Fox. Jason Taken's book for one of you one. This is this is good. This is good. But yeah, Fox doesn't stand the chance because Tatum is too elite defensively and he's pulling that thing from anywhere. It's it's cooked. he's getting fried

I'm with Joe next one Anthony Edwards versus Tyrese Maxie oh Tyrese is quick like

it's Anthony Edwards but Tyrese might be a little devastating one-on-one he's a speed demon but I don't necessarily view him

as a one-on-one type player I just not yeah that's why Anthony I was winning but I feel like Maxi might surprise

you a little bit if you give him the chance yeah you might get three buckets and all that, but once Anthony Edwards are swaned this shit and doing the most insane crossovers, it'll be a wrap quick. What do you think? I'll take it. I'll take it.

I think, yeah, I think if the game was to seven, it would probably be seven, five aunt, because I do think that Maxey can get some stuff off, but it's, like y'all say, ants is better. Yeah. All right, next one, you scroll down a little bit. Um, well, fine. Towns versus Clay. Y'all, you guys, it's kind of hard.

This is hard. No, it sounds. It's obviously cat. It has to be cat. Fucking 6-11, it's cat. Yeah, it has to be cat. He doesn't have to be? Yes, it has. This isn't an argument? No, do you think it is?

I don't, I don't think cat is necessarily like a dominant, like I think Clay can do some things against Cat. What can he do? What would those things look like other than like just catch, pull up, shoot, and that's it? I think that Clay has a very, very nasty, bow, bow, right? that can get listen it's only going to work against the slowest people against the slowest foot is footed people in the league that it's one of those people I think he has it I think he has an opportunity I do not I think old Clay Thompson is not a player I would ever pick in a one v one no no no no don't don't put this three oh put my one

I'm not voting for cat I don't think that cat would win this nasty. Yeah, no, Cat is destroying Clay Thompson in the situation, bro, from every angle on the court. If Clay gets the ball first, Kat's not seeing it back. Okay, next one. Aaron Gordon versus Evan Mobley.

Aaron Gordon. Give me Aaron Gordon. He's, he's cave in Evan Mobley's chest. Bro, what does Evan Mobley do offensively in a 1-1? Evan Mobley has no one-on-one back at this point of his career? Yeah, this is going to be the longest one-on-one in the history of one-on-ones, bro. Like, is this a whole bunch of bricks and layups, bro? Nasty basketball?

Yeah. Damn. Yeah, I think we'll agree Aaron Gordon would win this one, but it would not be pretty. It would be disgusting. Yeah, credit to Aaron Gordon for his semi-bag and being able to do stuff with the ball in his hands for real. Moby will be there one day, but he's not there yet. Yeah, no. Next one we got Zach Levine versus Desmond Bain.

This is the tournament made for his guy. Guys like Zach Levine. He's cooking, he's cooking Desmond Bank. Imagine Desmond Bain and one he won is Loki hilarious. I don't even know what he was like. I want to see what that looks like. That would be so weird. I need practice tapes.

I'm looking like you. Next one. Chris Middleton versus Lowry Markening. That's really mean. I didn't appreciate that. That's really mean. I'm dead. Larry Marketer versus Chris Middleton.

Damn I might go ahead and This is hard Yeah Lowry has that size too He can shoot over people a little bit Oh man He's not much of like an off the dribble guy like that

And Middleton is Who has a better chance of stopping each other defensively I've seen footage of Chris Middleton In Team USA practices When they do those one-on runs with like KD and all them Yeah Chris Midd operates like he knows what he's doing I don't know

I'll take Middleton Yeah Okay, let's come Middleton Yeah, I'm not I'm not confident about it But I'll take him Yeah, I feel like Larry's know those guys I might surprise you

It might be low-key Like nasty at this I mean He is damn near seven foot So how is Madison Necessarily stopping him? I don't know He doesn't have the tightest handle

He can get into him a little bit I don't think Larry's like Yannis is like so fast And he has a handle He can like just like run past you I don't think Larry's not doing that yeah exactly i don't think laurie necessarily is catching back up to anyone at the that's a good one though that's a good matchup that is a fun one i want to see that

next up jaron jackson jr versus tyrese halliburton get triple jay out of here he's not built for this loki you're underrated you're underrated but it's i mean we're running once if we're playing blacktop on two k you're picking jaren jackson junior over tyre's halliburton all right two k is different we all know that game is flawed our Right? We can't really bring that up. We can't bring that up. Now, it's Tyrese. Yeah, I think Tyrese would ultimately win because he just has better foot speed and all that. But Darren Jackson is not going down like Rudy Goberlin. Jerry Jackson, loki has a handle for his size. He can do a little more of the ball than you think. He definitely does. But he's like, but if the argument for Jerry Jackson is like, man, he's better than you think. I'm okay passing on him. I think. However, it's not the best. one-on-one score like that it's not like stiffest competition and jaron jackson is like they're not they're at minimum two tiers away in like ISO scoring okay we can go that's crazy that's funny

there's a crazy combination to imagine jaylon brown and demar de rosen this is so good i think demar de rosen's killing him oh killing him killing him demar de rosen has a veteran's savvy He's throwing shoulders, knocking him off his spots. I think Jaylon Brown would be frustrated. I think Jalen Brown would end up losing this, but killing him is outrageous to say. No, he would dominate. No, DeMar has his old man tricks that like he's built for this to do those small things to get a shot off. I think DeMard Rosen has like a potential like top eight running this.

I agree. I agree with that too, but Jalen Brown's defense, one-on-one defense specifically, which is what he's fantastic at, what thrive in the situation. but sadly he ran into tomorrow so i agree yeah tomorrow's just nasty at that yeah next one Drew Holiday versus Miles Turner I want to ask matchup

yeah I want to give like I want to give Miles Turner a little bit of just because he is taller than Drew Holiday but Drew Holiday probably will be able to lock Miles Turner up oh he's riffing him every time we have to dribble those hands it's Drew Holiday's eating his lunch yeah it's kind of right

yeah it's not Drew Holiday might have a good opportunity in this tournament. Despite having no one in one bag, his hands, like he's not letting you dribble. Facts, he's scoring straight layups. Yeah, he's really, he's matchup dependent. Like, Kyrie would cook him, but like a lot of guys that are taller with a loose handle. Like, he's ripping that bitch. I thought Rudy Gobert would be the one who would get skunked, but no, Miles Turner,

you're definitely getting skunked in this one, too. He's not getting shit off. Yeah. Next one. Oh, the best one yet. Trey Young versus Jalen Brunson. I will be the first one to say. Trey Young is losing this because Jalen Brunson is probably one of the three best ISO scoring point guards in the NBA.

Thank you. Period. Yep, it's easily Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson's post game alone and it's like how much he loves to go to that and throw his body around. He's built for this. Yeah, doing all these post fades and all that three, four feet away from the basket. Trail is not going to know what to do. But keep going.

Jalen Brunson hits drop steps. He's six foot. one he hits drop steps it's ridiculous yeah bro he'd be hitting them bitches he'd be hitting them bitches bro like he's charles barkley you're six dude he's crazy yeah bro like stay in your lane what the fuck are you doing you're throwing that shoulder around it's crazy yeah bro next one oh a good one wow no it's not gonna his ass bro he is whipping jaw moran's ass bro he is whooping jaw moran's ass this is not a good one this is not a good one paul george is eviscerating him three mid range shot

post fade blow by you're too little you're six two even though you can jump it's how do you feel like this but you were saying that yannis is going to run through everybody job moran it's just six he's just six three honest he's still fast well the size that's a big difference but that first step

is lethal yeah that's true when you have no help behind you you really can't do that like nobody defends john one-on-one this is a matter of who gets the ball first no it's not No, it's not. Josh shot is so iffy. That's my thing, too.

Dude, you can't stay in front of Josh first step. Nobody can. You need a help defender to just stay in front of one-on-one with that speed. And that's hard. And that vertical? So with that being said, you guys are taking John Moran over Paul George in this situation? I don't know. I really don't.

I'm taking Paul George. I'm taking Paul George. It's really easy to always pick the guy who has the author dribble shooting. But athletic players eat one-on-one. Like, you can't stay in front of these guys. You need to help defender. That matters. They do eat, but the one-on-one game is extremely, it's slow as hell.

It's just you versus me. And that's it. You say that? You say that because you've never had to guard Jammerant on a woman. Well, fucking obviously, but I'm saying, like, it's not slow with Jamerance there. If Paul George can just stay in front of him, give him, give him all his space. What are you going to do? What is he going to do shooting?

Shoot all the long twos you want. Shoot threes if you want, bro. You're going to be missing them most of the time. So it's like nobody's nobody backs up and gives 10 yards of space in a 1v1. He's going to get up in him You're not sticking in front of jaw. That's the best way to go ahead and defend jaw just try to stay in firm and I think Paul George has the best opportunity to do that So I'm definitely thinking it's just backing up. Okay, well obviously we won pg you guys I voted me but I think it's not as simple just backing up like it's not 2k. You can't just back up from somebody like everybody's tried it for sure and it doesn't work. Yeah for sure but in the game of 1v1 you it's the third three level scoring is hitting harder than ever and John Morant's game is just simply not built like that just yet now if we're talking first 15 20 games of the league John Morant last year

oh for sure I might be taking him because he was too much 30 37 38% from three point line but he's not like that okay next one LeBron versus Joelle and B god damn good ah this is like a bro who do we pick here we're taking LeBron I don't know let's start Yeah, are there Listen, are there referees? Because if there's not, then Mbid Has nobody to call fouls He can't be a foul merchant

Okay, let's be serious though I'm being I'm being I'm being one of the best high post operators In the history of the league His jumper in the high post And how he can use that And with his little slight handle for a big man Get past people will like

This is Joel MBE's game This is what he does to win the MVP This is the hardest match That we ran into so far Guys, this is LeBron James I think like it's 38 against the best ISO score big men in the league

it's LeBron James like come I want to I want to say LeBron because it's LeBron and it's not a scones and all that stuff but he's like

Defensive We've established how can I go against us you're right you're right you're right it's a scoring champ it's still we've established

it's a Mickey Mouse scoring championship discredit everything No, but I do think that LeBron Would be able to be in Bid I think he would be able to get around him And I do think that he would be able to hold his own in the post I understand Embed is you know

300 pounds or whatever But I'm still taking LeBron All right Mo you decide everyone LeBron or Embed I'm running agendas give me LeBron Damn I didn't want to say that though Thank you

I kind of, oh, shit. But I didn't even like, the way you just said that so fast, it didn't even sound English to me. That was insane. But I'm assuming you said LeBron. Yeah. I said it so fast because I didn't want to say it for real. You sound like an Ed, Ed and Eddie character.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay, next one. Jared Allen versus Devin Booker. Nobody say any words. it's Devin Booker contendios. All right, thank you. Next. Damn.

That's the worst mismatch so far. Damien Lillard versus Shea. Damien Lillard, you might be cooked in this one right here, man. I'm taking, I think I'm taking Shay. Yeah. I think I'm taking Shea's like, it's just like. This is his game. You know that everyone calls it herky jerky, like one-on-one, like throwing his body,

using that length, getting to the rim. This is what he does. And that on top of like, how is Damiener? you're going to like possibly try to stop Shay and then like I know Shay can I don't I don't think it necessarily stopped Damien alert but I know he has a better shot at stopping him than dame has a shot of like you know stopping him so it's like this has to be I tend to lean towards the guys that I know can get to the rim because jump shooters are going to miss eventually these guys that get to the rim like Lillers not deterring Shay at the rim whatsoever

yeah facts yeah I don't I don't I don't think that's the case I'm taking Shay Is this a clean sweep? Yep, clean sweep. Love it. That's crazy. That's crazy. Lillard gets swept out of this one-on-one. Damian Lillard gets swept in a one-on-one?

Yeah, but it's Shay. It's the one of the best one-we-one players in the league. That's fair. Next up, who's a disgusting basketball? Andrew Wiggins versus Scotty Barnes. Give me Andrew Wiggins. What is Scotty Barnes going to do? Get jokes off.

Fucking jack-jokes. I don't know. Like, there's no way you're stopping Wiggins, bro. Just make it slightly uncomfortable Maybe you might have a chance You might get the ball back once But you're getting ripped

My Alexa speaker Thought I said its name Start talking to me I was so distracted What y'all was saying Because it's fucking robots In the corner talking to me Don't turn it off

Yeah Andrew Wiggins Next one Ooh teammates Dude this bracket Gave us some content Donovan Mitchell versus Darius Garland I have to take D Mitch

I have to take D Mitch I have to take D'M's Yeah Yeah, you know, it's probably equal shooter, but DeMitch probably a little better off the dribble, I guess. Stronger, longer, whoa. Yeah. It's got to be DeMitch. I don't know. I want to say, actually, I feel like Darius Garland might be better off the dribble in this scenario because he can literally get.

And yeah, he's so shifty. And like when it comes to best handles in the league, it's like he's top tier. He's S tier with Tyree, bro. Bro, it's Donovan Mitchell. This is Donovan Mitchell. It's back to the thing with like Shea and Lillard Where like DeMitch drives to the rim Garland physically is not doing anything to stop him

Facts, exactly Like it's gonna be DeMitch Facts exactly I agree Next one we got Dejante Murray versus Ogean and Obie Dezante Murray, this is your game Hey get OJNananobie out of here Get him out of here

All right next one I understand Oge I'm working on your handle about it. Dejante's getting blasted the next round. I'll tell you that. But I guess he was a number one Dejante Murray Hater is what I'm figuring out

after a whole year. Overrated as hell. Next one. Pascal Seacom versus Sabonis. This is crazy. Dude, this is not crazy. Seacom is winning. Seacom, listen, that spin move.

He's going to do this spin move. Hey, what? Subonis is only good at this specific thing. This is why he mazes all-star teams despite his weaknesses. Okay. He's a great post player. But literally, quite literally, back up five feet and see what happens.

We can't say that about a lot of players. Is it too? He's a player. He's a player. Listen, we saw this in actual NBA basketball. Exactly. Back up five feet, you're not taking the shot. You can't stop.

He's not doing anything against Yakum. It doesn't matter. I'm aboded. Seaccombe continues on. Said you wrong, Isaac. You don't get it. No, I'm sorry. That passionate about Sabotis versus Seaccom.

I don't care. Ooh Dude, we're getting some good ass matchups I'm taking Julius Randall This one Julius Randall versus Christos Porzingis I'm taking Julius Randall

He's gonna put his shoulder In Porzings his chest And he is going to He's gonna get rid of him There's been nasty bully ball Yeah This is what Randall does Yeah it is

It's one of those things You gotta pick the players Who literally make all-star games For this one specific skill It's all they do Facts got to be randall sorry prus next next one zion versus palo listen this is like this is good honest no it's not you're not stopping zion one-on-one nobody can thank you nobody in the world

can defend zion 101 besides maybe yonis this is interesting no it's not palo's fucked it is interesting no it's not it's not close it's not close palo would look like one of them little small white kids that Zion was dunking on in seventh grade he's killing him stop i don't know bro i don't know palo's helle's he and i don't know man i don't know man i think zion will probably win it for sure it's impossible to stop zion one-on-one next one he's not finishing the game how about that he's one jemal murray versus bradley beale interesting This is fire. Damn.

Radmi Lokey have some veteran savvy with this, though. I think I want to go Bradley. Really? Hmm. Give me Jambi on this. I think at this point, Jamal might be a better player. But it's like the DeRosen thing

where Bradley's just like built for this. Like he has his one-on-one ISO game. That's how he eats. He's, he's that strength, grown man strength. He's pushing 30. That veteran savvy with the shoulders and stuff.

Yeah. Yeah, I got to go Beal. I got to go Beal. Yeah, exactly. I just imagine Bradley Beal putting his shoulder into him getting really low on the ball and I just, I just, there's no way Jamal wins this, bro. Yeah, the same

reasons you pick Chris Paul, I think it could be applied to Beal. Exactly. Next one. Dremont versus Fred Van Vlees. This might be the nastiest matchup that we've had. And you know what? Give me Draymond. What?

Give me Draymond is locking Fred up, but Draymond's not scoring a single point. I just imagine all. I'm like duds, he's throwing up, bro. Straight off, bump. We can't let Dremont win a match up. We just can't do it. Yeah, no.

This is not his back. But Fred's like, Fred is the perfect player to get shut down by Dremont Green. I'm taking Dremont. I'm taking Dremont. Mo, are you picking Dremont? I'm definitely picking Fred Van Ville. I'm not picking Dremont, bro. I think Fred would have an easier time scoring than Dremont Green would have an easier time scoring.

It's all about who can get the most buckets. Have we not seen? Have we not? seen the Summer League highlights from 11 years ago Dreemont has it deep down in his soul to go out and get buckets in a one-on-one situation he's a better defender Van Fleet

Van Fleet's not a good shooter as it is he's already inefficient throw Dreymond on him he's getting locked up it's the same thing I can't finish I won't feel right in my soul if I let Dremont Green win a one-fee-one matchup against an NBA player If Draymond Green on podcast

has already said out loud he's not confident In his shot, I don't see a world where he can survive on one-on-one, bro. Like, this is another, hey, I'm giving him six feet like we have COVID-19 space. No. Oh, my God. Nicola Yokic versus Steph Curry. I'm taking Steph.

Curry's fucking... Bro, we got Rod by getting this in the first round. This is mean. I'm taking Steph. Bro, if Yolkich gets the ball, Curry's so small. If Curry gets the ball, Jokic can't stay with him. Okay. what's more likely

Curry somehow stops Yokic post up or Curry misses a jumper Curry won't take jumpers he's running around in circles until Yokic gets tired laying it up but you agree

neither one are guarding each other so like if it comes down to who gets ball first how do we decide this we flip a coin and in my scenario Steph Curry wins the coin flip

that's not a coin flip that's that you love Steph Curry this is the bias I don't know this is so hard yeah it just depends I love Yonke

That's my bias. I'm picking Yokic. They're equally unstoppable. Yeah, it's equally unstoppable. I'm going to lean the guy with the size against the rim. Steff's going to miss a jumper at some point. No, he doesn't. One V-1 is just like, bro, all Yokish has to do is get to the rim just once.

But then it's Steph, all he has to do is have. Yoakish, just little hooks. It's so easy. Yolki carries him just useless on defense. Steph can get one stop. And if he can't. No, he can. capitalized it on that one stop he's good where do you okay donovan if you want to sway me

in what position on the court would you see step curry getting a stop in a post up or is it is it a triple three pool in the chair on yokech like what is he what is it looking like right sell me on this idea fuck out of here let's go yokech he's in the post against yokech right listen here's i was going to go down yokech High post. He's going to try to bang Curry three times and then go, go into a spin move. Bro, after the second, bang Curry's ankle is tweaking. Because Steph has been undersized his entire career.

He understands the tricks of how to play against bigger players. Yokish is going to try and get three and then go. On the second one, Steph going to trick him out, pull the chair, steal the ball, three point shot, game over. Counterpoint. Yokish has been the. biggest, strongest, smartest player on the court his whole life, and he knows exactly how to not let you small motherfuckers do that.

This is a basketball genius we're talking about. Guys, it's Steph Curry. Like, he's making, if he gets the ball first, he's not missing a three. And he, and Yokic is 100% not staying in front of him either. Well, listen, Moe already voted. Yokish wins, but I see your,

I see your vision, but it's got to be Yokch. If y'all really think that Steph Curry, is losing this one-on-one battle to Yogi. Stop. You guys are tripping. Like, he's not losing. He's not missing a shot. This guy, this is the guy.

Oh, to the next one. Stop it. This is the guy who made a hundred straight three in practice. He's not missing a shot. He lost. Next one. M. No, had this guy six all time.

You don't believe that. Stay on business, Mo. He had Yogi at 13 all time. I'll say that. Listen, it's a 1v1. Okay. What's higher. Spencer Dinwiddie would eat in this competition if he was here.

but sadly he would not yes he would statistically he's one of the best ISO scores in NBA what are you talking about he's top 20 what statistic are you talking about he quite literally is y'all don't know that you said y'all don't know ball we're in a bracket with yonis kd kaii

hold i can pull this up and you said spencer dinwitty like that's supposed to put fear into my heart look up look up some of the top ISO scores yep no I'm going to I know what to do it play type isolation how does that not make sense how do you guys not see any correlation whatsoever when it comes to

it. Like Spencer Dinwiddie is... Listen, you've been watching a whole bunch of these finance YouTube videos because Spencer Dinwiddy likes to talk about crypto. You think he's nice. He's not winning these matches. Okay. So, okay, so in Dallas, Spencer Dinwiddie was terrible in isolation. Forty-five percent effective field goal percentage. 66th percentile, which isn't terrible actually, but whatever. In Brooklyn, for the last 24 games, he had a really high

shooting percentage on ISO. So that must have been what you saw. Fuck that 26 games. For the overall season. Fuck that. For the overall season. Listen, that's what I want to know. You can't see it for the whole season.

Is it separates into teams? You see, you see, fix your stats, man. That's what I want to say. This is not about Spencer Dinwiddie though. What the hell? Y'all making me back up Spencer Dinwiddie. What the hell? Next one, Luca Donchich versus Anthony Davis.

I'm thinking Anthony Davis. What? Nah. Wait. Nah. Y'all's logic is so flawed. Here we have another guy who is super athletic, crazy good on defense. All he's going to do, he's just going to back up into Donches, jump hook.

He's good. He's there. He can stay in front of Luca. Like, it's not, it's not, that's not a crazy thing to think about. Yeah, but Luca has all these quirky ways of just getting buckets off by the, by the bundle, bro. Like any way you want it. He's not as athletic as Janus. He's not the physical freak that you're not going to stop.

He's not nowhere near a skilled as Yokic. Like, the logic that applied before is not applied to Anthony Davis. He's worse in both those fields. Like, I don't see Anthony Davis is a good one-on-one player at all. The only thing he has for him is his defense. If he had his jump shots still, if he could, if he had a reliable turnaround or fade away, you don't say if you would have a chance. He doesn't need a jumper.

He's taking Luca to the, he's taking Luca to the post every time. Bro, Luca is 6.8. He's not, he's not this one-on-one mauler. yeah bro and lucca is six eight and it's not like it's a complete catastrophe he's not a catastrophe at all y'all go ahead y'all go ahead you're really gabbing for ad over luca bro let's start the next round let's go

you're ridiculous back to the top round two jimmy butler versus bridges i'm seeing this one out in front of see you macal bridges you are not invited in this combo see a macao yeah it's got with jimmy butler right yeah nice okay next round done sat out silent protesting shut up I'm pissed off this is so stupid Kuai Leonard versus Chris Paul are you all letting Chris Paul's Lynn Sandy run continue are you

seeing reason hey I ain't go lie CP3 gonna slap the shit out of Kauai Leonard's knee bro and he gonna get them buckets off I just imagine he gonna do anything possible bro to win that and once he does that he's gonna get a solid two points off and then it's wraps Kauai smoking him I don't take Kauai I'll take Kauai on one knee fuck it Next round

Kairri versus Ingram Sweep Oh yeah Kairri Ingram say goodbye This is not a competitive match This is not your bag Kevin Durant versus Yannis

Sweep Sweep Get Yonis out of here I'm not going sweep I I guess if we can go Kevin And he's cooking him.

He's cooking him. Yeah. He's cooking him. Why? Man. We have seen, we've seen Janus try and guard KD one-on-one plenty of times, and it never goes well. You were just saying, why doesn't he guard one-on-one? He doesn't do it.

So apparently we haven't seen it very often. I told you. I told you. I said, I said, we didn't do it because it's not a strength of his, right? And I said that we've also seen it against Durant And those two things are true He doesn't do it often And whenever he does do it against the best players in the world

Like Kevin Durant He's gotten cooked before No he has that you're just making shit up Yonis doesn't guard the best player Because he's incredible as a helper It's not that he gets cooked one-on-one That's just not true He's pulled out of thin air

He's getting cooked by Durant He is free safety But I must say He's not fast anymore Yonis has length He's just as fast as him I'm like, Katie's not, he's not at the junk. Is he shooting over Janus nonstop?

Are you taking Janus in this? I don't know. I think it's closer than you're acting. Okay. I must say, this is a close game, but it has to be KD in this one. Yeah. By Smith. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it was insane that you were like, get him out of here. Because this is not a matcher. Because this is not a matchup built for Janus. You guys are, you guys are sitting here talking about, oh, Janus might make a deep run. No, he's. not. I'm you underrate athleticism one-on-one so much. I'm glad that he ran into Durant this early so that we didn't have to keep up this facade for the rest of this bracket. Durant, thank you. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you. Thank you. Kevin. Thank you. Ethelism means a lot.

Next one, Jason Tatum versus Anthony Edwards. This is tough, but it's probably going to be Tatum. Yeah, I got to go Tatum, right? Yeah, he's more. I'll go Tatum. He's more seasoned, bro. He's what, a six, seventh year player now compared to a third, fourth year player it's going to be. Wow, that's wild. Yeah. Jason Dan's getting old. Damn, he's the oldest 19 year old I've seen in my life. He's still 25. It's crazy.

Next up, Carl Anthony Towns versus Aaron Gordon. Gross. Bro, Eric Gordon will have a better chance. Give me, go ahead, give me towns. I'm taking it. I'm taking, yeah. I'm taking Aaron Gordon. Yeah. What? Oh. I don't even know.

You said a pick here. It towns. What do you? mean? No, Aaron Gordon's not getting his muscle shit off against a seven footer like that. I don't think. Yeah, no, he can't do that, bro. He can't do that. There's not, I don't know.

Cat's not strong like that. What's Aaron Gordon's go-to move? What's his signature move, bro? What is he going to hit to catch Cat off guard? He's putting his shoulder in Cat's chest and he's moving him out the way. Cat is not like that. This isn't Charles Barkley. Bro, AG is 6-7 and he does not have the craziest touch in the world.

Let's be real. Dude, you're being so dramatic on everybody's strengths. This is ridiculous. He's not Charles Barkley. He's not in Zion. What do? It's Aaron Gordon. Go ahead.

I said my vote. I said my vote. Give cats of props, bro. He's so bad. I said my God. Give cats some props. I'm being real. We can go cat.

Next round. This is a hilarious matchup. Zach Levine versus Chris Middleton. I don't know. I would like to pick Zach Levine. Zach's such an explosive score. I ain't going to lie. I think Chris Middleton's probably going to run out of breath

trying to catch up with Zach. He can't catch up with him, bro. I don't even... I don't even know. We can go Zachalpeed. Yeah, Zach. Yeah, one has he, he's sending... He's blowing Chris Middleton's mind, right?

I can't stop laughing at Donovan. He's so pissed. This is stupid. He's so pissed. This is going to get nastier and nastier. All right. Next up. It's funny because Donovan's gotten the way he wants,

but he's mad that it's been, like, hard to convince me. I know. Next one. Tyrese Halliburton versus DeMarden. There we go. Again, this is Demar de Rosen's bag. He's one-on-won. Halliburne doesn't have a chance.

Tyreys probably shouldn't even be in the second round, to be real. Facts. Who do you play in the first round? Oh, Jared Jackson. He deserves to be in the second round. If you played anybody else, cooked. Probably. Jalen Brunson versus Drew.

Holiday. This is a bad matcher for Jaling. Yeah, this would be fun. I would love to see this. You have, oh, you have the offensive guy who plays big versus the defensive guy who plays big. Let's, but then on the other hand, Jalen can't play fucking defense and Drew Holliday's not scoring one-on-one.

At the end of the day, I'd rather take a better offense than better defense. It's about who can get the bucket, who can get the ball and the hoop at the end of the day. I'm trusting Jalen for sure. But I think. But I think. that Drew can get at least one or one stop against Jalen brunt. I think he's I think he's in a really good situation he has the length he could probably get he could probably get a couple buckets he can shoot he can shoot on defense this one's saying maybe you know you guys

are right maybe we should wait and just go ahead and kick Julian Brown out because someone's gonna knock Drew Holiday's head off someone is gonna do that he can only survive by this defensive mantra for so long. Drew Holiday has no business being in the top 16. But Brunson's a good matchup for him. I want to say Brunson, but I'll let you guys. You know, we'll go better offense.

Okay, Jalen Brunson. Low key, I think Drew might win, but I want to go Brunson because I don't want to see Drew in the next round. So let's go Brunson. I'm tired debating Drew Holiday. Paul George versus LeBron. Listen, if LeBron

beat Joelle and beat, he better fucking beat Paul George. It's a different game of 1V1 though. I think Juelan Beat is a much more threatening 1v1 player than Paul George. I agree with you. I saw I'm rocker with LeBron. I'm taking Brian.

I'm taking Brian. You better not be. If we hold Juelan B, we're not on Paul George's time. Next one. Oh, Devin Booker versus Shea Gildes-Alexander. I think this is the matchup of the tournament so far. Yeah. I think this is the best one.

I think I'm going to take Booker. Booker's shooting ability is going to put it over the over the edge for me. I'm going to take deeper. Yeah, I think so too. He has that same type of savviness at all three levels that Shea only has at like one level. Yeah, exactly. And there's only so much you can do. Like Booker can hit you with a shot from anywhere.

It doesn't matter if it's contested or not, though, the fade away, the pull up, off the dribble. Like, whatever you want, he will serve it to you nicely. Booker might give Kyrie a run for his money in the finals That's gonna be a hard one Wiggins or Donovan Mitchell Wiggins or Donovan Mitchell If we don't want to see Drew Holiday in the In the last 16

Andrew Wiggins for sure shouldn't be in there Who did Andrew Wiggins beat again? Why is he here? Oh, he beat Scotty Barn The worst player in this draft Who sure doesn't deserve it Scottie Barnes is definitely the worst player in the bracket Wiggins is a fucking matchup merchant I don't need to say anything

The Jonté Murray versus Pascal Seaccom This is so gross I'll take the all-N-B-A player Give me Pascal Seacom Yeah give me Seaccom Ah Whatever

This is gross This is Whatever That's actually about a lot of these I'm like fucking sure take it Yeah Julius Randall versus Zion Williamson

I think Randall battle of physicality. Negative facts. I think Randall has less than no chance of stopping Zion. I'll take that out. I mean, if it's now... I'm not going to talk. I'm not going to talk bad about Randy.

If Julius's three ball is working, hey, he might make this kind of close. But more than likely, it's not. You're right. So definitely if he's on. Spamming halfback dive like its ultimate team and you have a 99-over-running-back. Yeah. It's nonstop. Bradley Beal versus Fred Van Fleet.

Get Fred out of here. Fred is not getting a bucket off. He's not getting any buckets in either. He's lucky he played Draymond. Oh, Yokic versus Donchich. The Battle of the Whites, I love to see it. Isaac, you might have lost this one. Who you pick it?

This is going to be the slowest game of one-on-one we've ever seen in our lives. It's like, ah. Like you said, do we think Donchish has a better chance of stopping Yokish than Curry? But do we think it matters? Does he have a realistic chance? They're going to not be serious in this one-on-one, though. They're going to be laughing, smiling, chuckling, and all that. And I know Yokis is going to take some dumbass shots just to, he and just let it fly.

So I might go Yokic. I might go. I'm going to Yokish because Donch's going to miss a shot and be complaining for too long. And next thing you know, Yokish is ran up three dunks in a row while Donchish is over there on the sideline getting all pissy. We can go Yokish. Thank you. Okay. Let me go, Yolkish, whatever.

I just don't trust this dude. If he beat Curry, he's got to beat Donchich. It's not necessarily how it works, but okay. I agree. Obviously not, but I'm just saying this time, I think the same rules apply to why he beat Curry. And I think Donches will be easier for him to guard because he has less speed.

So, like, I think he's a better chance of guarding Luca. Next one. Jimmy Butler versus Kauai Leonard. Yo, this is dope. Give me Jimmy Butler. Ooh, I don't know about that one. Do you think Jimmy Butler, the only thing Jimmy Butler has favoring him

in this matchup is like, I don't know, trying to trash Doc Kauai Leonard, but Kauai just getting straight up mute face. So it's like, what does Butler have over Kauai? Kauai is just like, the better at everything. I think here's my, here's the reason why I'm taking Jimmy. I think Jimmy would

enjoy playing one-on-one more than Kauai would. And I don't think Kauai wants to be here. He doesn't want to be in this bracket. So I think Jimmy just really wants to play one-on-one. So I'll take him. You think Jimmy wins because he simply wants it more? Yeah. Dog. Fair enough, honestly.

Let's go, Jimmy, I guess. His whole career is based on him just having more dog than everybody else. Yeah, you're right. He can get this nod. Somehow he always ends up being in the semifinals. So, hey, let's put him in there. He deserved it. Ooh, this probably should be the finals.

Terry versus KD. Where are we thinking? I think this is a game of one-on-one. And they're both. Equally you could argue a talented scores, but I might lean KD because there's no chance in hell. I don't I don't imagine Kyrie getting a lot of stops off like it just it's about It's a size thing, right? It's a size thing for sure and I think Kyrie like. Yeah. I think I'm taking Kyrie. I think I think I'll do KD. I get it. That's fair. If there's anybody that can get a shot off over the length of KD, it's Kyrie. He can know he's crafty enough to get the shots up. I just think so was Katie and like

you gotta default to the guys who would probably have a better time defending the other than yeah, it's gotta be Katie. Yeah, we can do that. It feels weird that Kyrie's not advanced into the finals, but it's what it is. I hate that Embed is not in this no more

for real, bro, because I feel so bad for picking you. Yeah. I hate that car Anthony Towns is in the sweet 16. Get him out of you. Beeching it out of you. I don't like any of the fuck out of here. Jason Tatum, you were moving forward.

Sorry, Cat. Don't apologize. Towns was a matchup merchant. The only guy here because he had good matchups. It was Aaron Gordon for fuck sake. He should have never been here in the first place. Who's that? Cabin for Aaron Gordon.

That's how you know you hate cats. That man is strong. Like, come on, come on. He's strong. Be real. That matters, right. We're talking about athleticism the whole first two rounds, and now we get somebody who's strong like that.

Strong like that. Wow. What do you think is bad? It's okay, it's okay. Listen, we got a fun matchup right here. We got teammates, Levine and DeRosen. I'm personally taking DeMara Rosen on this one. I agree.

I agree. Yeah, this is DeMars' bag. This is what he's great at. Listen, DeMars making a run, bro. Thank you. LeBron versus Brunson. This is a pretty of a size thing, bro. Dude, 38-year-old, 38-year-old LeBron making a run in his won't be one tournament.

It's crazy, but he has to be next. Booker versus DeMitch Booker right It's got to be Booker I'll take I'll take Dubek Yeah If Booker was able to get Shea out of here He's got to get D-Mitch out of here

For like the same reasons Yeah Booker's always been better In DeMitch In every single facet of hoops bro So You love getting this take off That's my MO Crazy Agenda

It's true though Well at least for now Yeah Zion versus Seacom Zion This is actually good This is a good Watch up.

It's not. Siakum's one of the better guys equipped to defend Zion, but it's Zion. Again, I don't know. I'm not convinced anybody's going to stay in front of Zion 101. Like, he's going to make a run. Joelle M. B. could, but we booted him. God damn. I'm still sick on that, bro.

But whatever. It's over. Go ahead. He's dead and gone. Move on. Go ahead. He's dead and gone. All right, Zion advances the next round.

Goodbye, Seacom. One more, one more picking this round. Yokish versus Biel Nobody's saying any words Nick Hill put three Yokaches Great Move on to round four This is the how many is this top eight

Elite eight Elite eight here we go Jimmy Butler versus Kevin Durant I feel like in some different universe Jimmy Butler would Find a way to win this game But we're in reality And I think Katie's over that ass

We gave Jimmy Butler the dog points over Kauai who's a fantastic one-on-one player where does that end where does Jimmy Butler's dog run out upset alert Jimmy Butler is taking this over Kevin Durant nah no we're not doing that now come on come on let's have some fun we're going chalk nah sit sit this one out we just picked Jimmy Butler over Kauai that's not shock listen this Linsanity run ends here Kevin Durant's moving on everybody can't have a insanity run listen

Jason Tatum versus Demar de Rosen I'm taking DeMar Rosen Fax Is DeMarg gonna win Why would we pick Tatum

Tatum can defend better It doesn't matter He doesn't matter I don't trust Tatum's consistency with his shock compared to the Rosen Like the Rosen's a savvy

He takes thousands and millions of those shots during the off season I feel like bro The Rosen has had three shots in his bag. He's had left baseline midi,

top of the key midi, right baseline midi. That's all he takes for three years. He only has three options and nobody can stop it. It doesn't matter who's on him. He's getting to his spot. He's rising up. He's taking the jumper. This is what we're going to Rosen? Is Damar.

Let's do it. All right. Demar de Rosen, it is. Next round. We have LeBron versus Booker. This is what? We're taking LeBron out to the pasture, putting him down like old yellow. Braun's all going to know what to do, bro. I'm taking Devin Booker.

I don't know if I say this is know what to do. LeBron, it's LeBron, but I'm taking D. Book. That's athleticism like, LeBron can defend Booker, I think. But I think LeBron's way more prone to the situation to miss a lot of shots. He's going to, I feel like in this situation, you might get a little bit too trigger-happy. shoot a couple ridiculous logo threes for absolutely no reason you're gonna do the infamous like dribble dribble dribble dribble look at the ball for like eight seconds and then step back

and pull it like no it's not working it's not fine tired halfway through a half course shot and one-on-one is ridiculous I can see it all right booker it is who's the next one zion versus yokit yo this is actually kind of interesting Can Zion knock Yokic off his spot and use athleticism against that big corn fed motherfucker? I'm taking, I'm taking Zion. I'm taking Zion. Man, I don't know where to go genuinely with this. He has to go through Yokic because he's just going to jump over him.

He's that verticality. And he's strong enough to, he's strong enough to throw his shoulder and get just enough separation to where he can get a shot off. I think his His combination His combination of strength and bounce is different I also think Yokic has a skill to cook the fuck out of Zion Who's a young undisciplined defender Strong to post up and like take back downs

But Yokish hits those shoulders Those hooks drop slips I don't know if Zion's providing much resistance Yeah Ion has the ability to recover on a lot of this stuff I think Zion I think the athleticism is saving Zon right now on the situation. Does it save him enough though?

That skill difference is huge. Like Zion is not a skillful defender. Yeah, that is true, but it's like one-on-one and skill doesn't matter when it comes. It's not as important when it comes to defense. It's not as important when it comes to defense in one-on-one. If you think skill defense is a different. And one-on-one, no. In five-on-five, yes, it's different.

Defending Yokich in the post doesn't take skill? It takes skill, of course, but you're overblowing it right now. Like, as long as you have, if you have those. those traits that will get you by that will get you by i don't yoke whatever it sounds like you guys are both going on right yeah listen if i'm letting you i know this if zion wins this he's probably going to win the whole thing like if there was going to be a matchup damn oh i think yokech has a physicality that can stop zion but whatever i'm outvoted we can keep going is ian welcome to the final four this feels so nasty next up to the final two matchups before the finals

Grant versus DeMar de Rosen. This was supposed to be the finals. Screw both of y'all. You'll ruin the bracket. God. Blame the fucking randomizer for putting them on the same side. No, DeMard de Rosen, this is where your rain ends. We've given too many people.

We're giving KD credit for people better than DeRosen. I don't think we can give DeMar anymore leeway. Yeah, we have to go KD. Yeah, like, we have to go KD. There's no reason to pick DeRosen here. This is interesting. Cool. To the other side of the bracket.

Shout out of KD. Zion Williamson versus Devin Booker. It's so funny. This is crazy. Can we just decide who gets ball first? No. How do we do that? Can we flip a coin right now?

Because whoever gets ball first is winning this. Is Zion incapable of getting a stop against Booker? Yes. Y'all told me he can get a stop against Yokic. He has a better chance of getting a stop against Booker, I think. And on the perimeter, don't know on the perimeter i don't know i only say he has like now this is like this is so such a i don't want to say such a lopsided matchup but this matchup doesn't a hundred

ten percent favors zon because of where devon booker would get his shots off you know he can't i don't i don't know if zon has a foot speed necessarily to catch up with booker but with that being said how can what is devon booker doing on defense absolutely nothing jack shit yeah I just feel like if we gave Zion credit that he could get a stop against Yokic I think with his skills and size and his type of athleticism he has a better chance against Booker

because Booker's not a beat you with speed guy like he can attack and close us and stuff but he's more of a tough shot maker and Zion can stay in front of him I think like it's easier for Yokish separation I think Yokic's length is easier to get separation than Booker's speed is I'm

I'm going book I think when you're playing one-on-one the shot making is very very important and Booker has that advantage over Zion and so that's what's what I'm going

yeah I'll go Booker I'll go Booker I'll go book I lost Booker it is yeah this is this is tough I just don't see why he shouldn't be Jokic that was Jokers got robbed

but Booker Welcome to the finals Embed got robbed I'm still on act. The Azan getting past yoga is just a crime to take most term. All right man. The grand

finals, Kevin Durant versus Devin Booker. This would be very fun, but I'm taking Kevin Durant. Yeah, it's got to be right. Booker's not fast enough to cook Kevin Durant. Booker shouldn't be here. Fuck.

It's got to be Katie. Katie. Chalk. Kevin Durant is the best isolation player in this bracket. it. Surprise, surprise. Congratulations, Kevin Durant. You did what everyone thought you were going to do. Woo! Is there anybody you think would have beat Kevin Durant if they matched up against him? Man. Maybe. I don't know. I don't think so. I would say. Can Kevin Durant beat Yokich? Yeah. Yeah. I would say you could. There's just so many things that KD can do offensively. And in a 1V1 setting, I don't know how Yolkis would be able to stop his counters.

So there's just, there's just not a way. There's not a way for that. Dolan B could have won this, but he got knocked on by the round. Yeah, that was quite the wrench in the bracket. I don't think that one should have went by. Yeah. Now that the bracket's over, we're going to jump into something that we told you guys we would do last week, but we ended up cutting it for time.

We're going to react to your guys as a top 20 all-time list that we told you to leave in the Discord server. if you want to do this next time we do this you want to be part of this and have your list reacted to or whatever question we ask you guys to give us join the Discord server the link will be the top of the description

yours a what's it called a channel that says question of the day we're going to get them there and we're going to try and do it more often I don't know if it's going to be every episode but it's going to be recurring at the end to get you guys engaged in that server Mikil show us this first all-time list

from Panete let's see okay so he has LeBron 1 MJ 2 Chah Karim 3 He has Kobe over Shaq I disagree, but I guess you can't hate it

He has Janus at 14 Debato Wall Yoketch at 15 debate a wall Wow Debata wall is hilarious Okay This honesty isn't a terrible list Yeah if you're projecting forward

Like what you think they'll be at the end of their careers Janus and Yok is there That's not insane like yeah I think Janus over KG is fine yeah listen you see the hakeem love at seven you know i love that dirt kg meld malone got guys it's how this is actually a very well-rounded list i can see the arguments for everybody here listen this nothing's insane there's no no pick that you're like oh this guy's a fucking idiot nothing of that sort this is a good list shout out panit good job you know ball

he did his research yep next one next up we have tanny g the mod in the Discord. Salute. Let's see his. MJ LeBron, Kareem, Tim Duncan, Hakeem at 5.

I know that both-sized Donovan. Magic and Bird 6 and 7. Shaq and Kobe 8 and 9. Curry 10. Wilt and Bill Russell at 11 and 12.

Big 013, Dr.J. 14. Jerry West 15 seems high. KG. 16. D.G.16. D.G. D. Wade, top 20 is is interesting

I like that I do too I do too again this is not a the Hakeem love I this this might be a little bit too much Hakeem love

Hakeem at 5 is kind of wild I love the honesty Yeah Hakeem over bird I mean Hakeem over magic and bird for that matter I can't get with it

Yeah it's a bit much Yeah But are you guys seeing This is back to back list With Tim Duncan has been forth all time He's he's climbing up

up a lot of people's list man yeah you swayed everybody these are all people that watched the episode and saw your rant and they're like fuck it he's right I love it I love to see it yeah the only thing that that throws me off like other than the heem thing is seeing Jerry West there is just like oh but other that like it's a solid list okay yeah this is not bad it's not bad yeah it's bold but it's not terrible next one we have halal the other Discord mod Another one Tim Duncan at 4?

Yeah Tim Duncan at 4 Everyone agrees with you He has bird over magic Which is interesting unusual They also play Akim at 7 Everybody's riding your dick

Tim Duncan at 4 At 7 Everyone agrees I made valid points I tried to tell you guys When we did the episode Wow D-Wait At 15 is very interesting

That's a bit high for me That's a bit high Yeah I don't know about that one Damn IT Top 20 Bro, they all loved your list Jesus Christ

These are all just Donovan clothes I'm trying to tell you guys Okay Let's see KD De Wade only being two spots

behind KD A bit much I can't imagine why you'd put D Wade above KG specifically I don't really see the argument there

That's That has to be a pure Rings argument Yeah You just love Dway which Listen if you're gonna love

a player irrationally Dway way it's a good one to pick that's true that's true jerry west and i t i like that they're listen i like that as a josea thomas is out here getting his love i don't then none of these are crazy do we have a crazy list do we have somebody that i can because all of these guys these are consistent yeah all of these guys like solid arguments a little tweaks here and there but it's not bad yeah it's not terrible let's go the next one yeah everyone's on the same tier next one we have number one ronks my sweet

Inglorious La Boo Boo King, LeBron James. Nice. LaBoo King, James. Then we have Michael Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bill Russell at 5. Okay, we usually don't see a lot of Bill Russell love on these lists. That's cool. Can't really be mad at it, right?

Yeah. Kobe Shaq, Wiltz. Kevin Grenad at 13 is high. Oscar Robinson feels high in this range, too for me. 16. Okay, this person just went to the history books and was like, let me just pick out names. They love old people. Wow. Irvin, Robertson, West, and Malone. If you showed this to a 50-year-old man, they'll be like, listen, it's about time.

People aren't giving them some respect. These guys were real hoopers. Okay, we got Kevin Rann at 20, which is lower than most people do. He has Janus over KD, which I don't know why yet. Maybe eventually, but I feel like you have to give KD that not. for now. Man. This is

yeah this is I really don't have a word for it because like it's just weird. This is a C list. This is not the worst list we've seen for sure. This is the worst list we've seen. Easy.

This is mid. You didn't do a horrible job. You're not a moron but you can do better. I'll give it a C. Next one. I like the Phillies. Tim don't get one.

Guys. Okay. Tim Duncan at 1, then MJ and LeBron. He has Hakeem at 5. Curry at 9. Just pointing out, Dirk at 10. Bird at 11. What else is crazy here?

Gynormous O at 16. 21, Brian Scott. Who is this? Bryson Scott. Who is Bryson Scott? He sounds like he makes the meanest things. He's just making up people. Donovan, is that real?

Kauai at 20 Yeah this might be the worst list I've ever seen Yeah which I mean Listen you can have a C tier list like last one And be average Or you can be like I like the Phillies And just be extraordinary at being ass

And make the worst list you've ever seen And for that I applaud you Extraordinarily ass That's a rare air right there bro That's a rare air No one does it worse than you Congratulations man You have the crown

Who's next Next Okay, what's his guy's name? Uh, jeef neef. I feel like I said a slur. P.S. He has Heim at four and shack at five. Interesting. Shack at five?

I think this is an argument. Magic at seven? What are we doing? Tim Duncan at nine. KD at 10. KD. at 10. KD.

over Curry. I can't rock with it. At all. Hardin at 18? Oh my God. I didn't even see the Hardin part. Get him out of you Get him out of you

Listen Last list I was telling him Congratulations You were the shittiest I lied Mr. Neef is worse than you

This is the worst Best we see so much Seeing Harden over D Wade In enueless In any way You want to talk about it Any context

Immediately your basketball card is revoked Unsubscried Hardin over Yokitch For what? Like why Get him out of you I'm sorry

You said MVP really Push them over the edge Yokich has two of those motherfuckers Why does that not push more from the edge? Exactly. Stop. You don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry, you don't know ball, Neef. All right. Next one we got, let's keep going. We have steel cabbage. Braun, MJ, okay, looking shock. Magic and Larry. Okay, okay.

Shack and Akeem together. Stefan Kobe is all looking normal. Moses Malone at 13. Wow. He's just trying to sound smart. All-time rebounder, bro. You have. I know for a fact you have not watched a single full game of Moses Malone.

I've never heard rebounding use in a goat argument ever in my entire life until now. Disgusting. Let's slow down real quick. Yokic is 16. Cool with that. Parentheses, choose whether you want a ton of my rather wrong. I thought he was saying Yokish is a top 10 all-time defender. And I was like, what the fuck is he on?

But otherwise, that's not what he said. He said choose if you want a top 10 all-time defender this high or one of the best offense. the players ever who's average a defense and that's what you which is and that's valid I think that's completely a decent argument admiral at 20 now I can't rock with it yeah it's a bit high I had my 22 I think didn't I something crazy but 20 20's pushing it I was already on the high end at like 24 or something doing too much also this is kind of minute the little salute emoji to Bill Russ is too valid this is another like C minus tier list it's not made it's definitely me

This might be the most material list. Steel cabbage, you did all right. Yeah, listen, you could be Jeef Neef. Chief Neef is horrible. Jeef Neef don't know nothing. Next one, it'll be the last one we look at. From E. What?

We have Bill Russell at 3. We found the worst one. We found the worst one. MJF 4. Kobe had 6, step at 5. Go to hell. Bill Russell at 3. Russell at 3.

Because Bill Russell at 3 is like, all right, just in salute, you want to pick the guy with 11 rings, I understand a little bit, but MJ at 4, come the fuck on. Oh, my God. Moses, oh, wait, my bad. I saw Moses Malone at 12. I saw him alone. I thought he was putting nasty man at 12. I thought he was crazy. Now, you're the only one who's ranking.

Kuwait at 15. No, that title. Kuwait 15 is crazy. Jeep, I apologize. For the slander that I've given you over the last two minutes Whoever eh is Your list is trash Your list is garbage

I cannot rock with this Don't care Be mad at MJ is still the most insane thing I've seen Row not serious That's crazy All right man That's the last one we're going to look at Listen if we ever get another list like this

I don't want to do the segment anymore I really don't if we have to look at stuff like this Producer Nikil is requesting one more list I guess I got a good one coming up. We'll do one more. Let's see it. It's better not be. Next up from Ashen my block.

Okay. This is where we stop right here. Okay. 11 is Smith, 9, Kelliolanic. What type of agenda are you pushing to put Kelly Leninick on any list? Shout out Jericho Sims at 16. Jetty Osmond, Thomas Bryant, Donovan. Donovan.

The Lassus Attenacupo. You doca. As a boogie As a boogie What a pool If you're trying to pull If you're trying to pull those random players And you pull as a bookie

You win the random this contest For that I present you In A grade I just want to know Why did he like I want to know What was going to do his head Because apparently his top eight

Is like solidified He's like He's like I can't disrespect Shaq I just can't do it Right I just can't do it But after that He's like hey listen

Let's just go off the deep end and he slipped curry at 10 bro he just slick curry at 10 out of randomness God bro I love it Chetty Osmond Asabuki Thomas Bryant These are great randomness bulls For the laugh

For the laugh bro What's up Go ahead You go ahead I was the one thing He said my top 20 He put 21 names on here This guy's awesome

He can't count This is an A This has to be an A to your list. This is the best list who seen so far. I'm going to say you went crazy pool.

I'm going to say some mean things. Let's continue on. Congratulations to ask for winning the podcast. That concludes that segment of reacting to y'all's

insane list. Again, join the Discord server below. It'll be the top of the description and, you know, get active. We talk in there

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We want you want you ought to run up those Discord memberships. I said that weird. Memberships. Yeah, man. Don't know who, what time is it? I think it's TikTok time.

Oh! The crayon ears are banging on the walls right now. They're clawing it down, scratching your skin. They want to hear that good draft shit. Give me more. Give me more. Yeah, man. As always, we're going to start with the draft.

This time we're going to do a draft of only players who currently play in the Eastern Conference. Okay. And last time I had the first pick, who had seconds? Was that? Mo did. Mo, okay. So it's Mo, Donovan, me. That's a draft order.

Cool. Oh, yeah, man. Lesher F MBA lineups with only players who currently play in the Eastern Conference. Cool. First pick, I have to go, be honest. Man, I was not trying to get stuck with the Mickey Mouse MVP, but give me Joel NB. Listen, I'm glad you went with him because I didn't want him either. Give me Jason Tatum and give me Donovan Mitchell.

That's nice. Wow. Okay. I like that. Top two small Ford in the league. Top two small Ford in the league. Top two shooting guard in the league. Listen, that is okay.

But to pair with Embedd give me Jimmy Butler. The duo that could have been. The duo that was. They wouldn't win titles. I like that. Relax. Relax. Plurals?

I don't know. Listen, that's all they needed. All they needed was somebody who can perform in the playoffs, and Jimmy Butler has done that. He's got into the finals twice. If he had Joellen Bede instead of Bam, come on. And yet they picked Tobias Harris over him.

Damn. That's tough. Oh, man. All right, so next to Yannis, I need the most spacing in the world. Give me Trey Young. And then to double up on that, let's double down on space.

Give me Brooke Lopez crazy pool But I need the spacing My team is nasty Okay, I mean listen You have Janice pairing him With his real life center His tailor built to play with him I don't hate that

I'm taking a page out of Donovan's book I've seen it before It works There you go There you go All right And you can you can hide Tray Young a little bit

With two good bigs Okay Pretty good pretty good All right so I have Embed I have Jimmy Butler At my point guard Give me Tyrese Halliburton Fuck us to pick him next

Damn. Okay, well, good thing I can wait on point guard now since y'all both got them. This is a tough one. You guys pick a lot of good players. A power forward, give me Pascal Seacom. Damn. Best on the board.

Nice. And then, you know what? I need spacing with Seacom. Give me Miles Turner. Okay. Okay. I need a stretchability. Interesting.

All right. All right. Wait, wait, wait, don't go yet. This is my turn. Go ahead. All right. So I've Halliburton, I've Butler, I've Embed. I want a little bit more defense.

And I don't know where to go. But I think I have enough offense. So I'm going to make a pure, like a very, very defensive pick. Give me Drew Holiday. Okay, you're shooting guards? I like that. Yeah. I like that.

I like that a lot. He compliments Halliburton well. He can play the two. I like that a lot. this is just natural I can't let him fall any longer on these boards but go ahead and give me Jimmy Butler

I mean not Jim Butler my bad go ahead and give me Jalen Brown I need it okay you're going to have him he can't fall he can't fall anymore you're going to have him gladly your turn again oh it's my turn again

ain't that by the bitch give me McCall Bridges my defense is nasty length everywhere bro Whoa Yeah, that was crazy Relax That was a little watch

You need to check yourself All right I need a four Give me Give me Bam at a bio To play my four Spacing Bam and Bede

Butler and Drew One off game And you are putting up 50 points in the modern NBA We are clamping everybody You're not scoring shit This is a disgusting offense We're not trying to.

We're going to keep the game 70 to 69. It doesn't matter if you try. It's not an option. Gross. I have a whole lot of scoring on this team, so I need playmaking for my one, so I can't go Brunson. Give me Darius Garland.

I knew you're going that way. That's nice. That's nice. I had to. Either him and Lamello. Give me the guys a little bit better right now at this point in his career. Isaac, I am sad to alarm you, but this playmaking doesn't save you.

you, I'm whooping that ass. Same for you, too, Donald. I have Moe probably won. Nobody's scoring on my team. No one's also. I think this is the most clear-cut tears you've ever had in teams. Moe definitely won. Donovan definitely has the worst team, and I'm definitely mid as fuck. Yeah, Donovan said no one's scoring on his team.

Yeah, literally on both sides of the ball, no one's scoring. That's how we wanted it. So I have Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell, Jason Tatum, Pascal Siakum, Miles Turner. Damn. I think it fits. It's solid. I like that.

It's pretty good, pretty good. I have Tyreys Halliburton, Drew Holiday, Jimmy Butler, Van Matabio, Joe L. Embed and Biel and Bede. Nobody is scoring. This is, I'm telling you. Bam and Bede and Butler, bro. I crafted this. I crafted this team so that we could bring 2004 basketball back.

And I did exactly what I set out to do. And you lost. And I like that. All right. So for mine, I got Trey Young, Jalen Brown, McCall Bridges, Yannis, and Brooke Lopez, bro. This is the perfect team. You know Trey Ong is the worst player out here, right? Who is? You said that one.

You said that while Drew Holliday is on your roster. Come on, man. Next thing we're going to do, listen, 2K-24 drops in, what, like two days from now? Probably, I think the day this episode is out, 2K will have dropped. So we're going to do a 2K related TikTok to match that And what we're going to do today is We're going to look at the new ratings that came out The whole database And I'm going to name two players

You guys that tell me which one you think is a higher rating Okay, listen sounds simple enough Yep, it's real straight forward Who do you think 2K should love to Which NBA player do you think is a higher 2K 24 rating Jimmy Butler or Damien Lillard Listen, I know Jimmy Butler's coming off His insane run

But it's still Damien Lillard I think they're giving him the nod on this one. I think it should be dame, but them 2K devs, yeah, them 2K devs are outrageous and they might go ahead and pick Jimmy Butler, bro. You know they don't be watching who's for real.

They're going to pick Jimmy. They respect the hell out of Jimmy. So who are you going with Mo? Jimmy, easy. 2K logic, we're thinking about. I guess I'm going to say, Donovan, you are incorrect. It is Jimmy Buller.

Mo got this one. I knew it. to 94. 95? Oh my God. He's crazy. Oh my goodness. He's 95 status?

Guess who else is 95? Luca Donchich. Oh, hell no. 2K, that ain't right. 2K. that ain't right. Wow. Everybody's fooling people.

It's crazy. I mean, is he fooling people, though? Like, listen, he gets the job done. I guess the point of the game is to win and he does it. Sure. That's all right. Next up. Shade Gilges, Alexander.

or jaw marant oh this is a good one bro it should be listen it should be jaw but obviously you got to give him the penalty for you know waving guns around so I'm gonna lower his 2K rating because he's stupid yeah yeah his awareness is low

yeah but the 2K rating for the attribute of his dancing and the gritty might be in the game but I'm still leading with she the greedy is cold but I'm still leading with she for sure Well John Moran is a 92 overall

She is a 93 What that's so crazy to me bro I think Josh should probably be rated higher But I told you I love the say they don't respect his game The devs don't respect the game of basketball That's what it is No I mean Shay

He was 30 he was all NBA He deserves some respect I don't hate it It's next up Anthony Edwards for Jalen Brown. This is so funny. This is the summer of Anthony Edwards.

Listen, if this game came out a month later, Anthony Edwards would probably be the cover. He is, listen, he's that, he's that popular right now. I'm so far.

I'm taking, I'm taking, he's crazy popular. I'm taking Anthony Edwards. Yeah, I agree. If they decided their overall ratings before the playoff started,

then I'm probably, uh, Jalen Brown. But you're right, Donovan, them devs, they're just like, a lot of these Twitter heads. They're probably going ahead and Vonafer. They probably made

Anthony A. Retire. I'm going ahead. Listen, NBA Twitter is head over heels in love with Anthony Edwards. They want him to give them a baby. But the NBA Twitter, but the two gay dads are not. They went Jalen Brown. Wow. Okay. They're, they're blinded by money. They're what's the ratings? 88 for Anthony Edwards, 89 for Jalen Brown. Gold diggers. No, NBA Twitter wants Anthony Edwards to impregnate them. K's like let's be real he's gonna surpass him but 88 for now listen the first roster update this will flip I like that next up James Hardin or Kyrie Irving ah man I think Kyrie has to be higher this is really tough has to be I don't know it's pretty tough

you want to talk about awareness dropping your overall Kyrie might be 85 who knows yeah but last time we've seen James Hart He got dropped off by the Boston Celtics in the most embarrassing fashion and he's over here pleading to a bunch of People overseas that he will not join his organization You have to drop his overall, but he led the league an assist though He did I don't you know what I'm I'm gonna go with James Give me Kyrie The 2k devs said we are not rewarding mr. Brick Ross it is Kyrie Irving

Wow. These 2K devs don't know anything, bro. I hate that I'm right. They're the real crayon eaters. For audio listeners, James Hardin's 89, Kyrie is 90. That's insane. Kyrie is still. He's surprising.

He's great still, but he's clinging on to this 90, bro, over the past season. That's crazy. Next one, Carl Anthony Towns or Jaron Jackson, Jr. Probably Jaron Jackson, Jr. your car, the Italian stock is in the toilet right now. I don't know. I don't think that they are respecting DPO Y, Jaron Jackson, Jr. So I'm going to go cat here.

Yeah. Surprise. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're going cat? I think so. I think his three-point shooting might push him over the edge. If you're, if you're the 2K dev, all you're looking at is points per game, Jaron Jackson improved.

Defensive player to year? You got it. You sold me, but it's Jaron Jackson, Jr. Well, guys, the 2K. don't respect either of these guys. Cat is an 85. Jaron's an 86. Cat is an 85. I mean, that's fair. Man. It's fair. Like he's in that range. He definitely does. He should be like an 88 or something. They both deserve higher. I think Jaron should be around there too. Yeah, cat and 85 is disgusting, bro. I wonder where they have is jarring. Oh, bro. Yeah, this is

nasty. This is nasty, bro. My agenda is working. next one Tyrese maxi or Rudy Gobert oh man please don't tell me Tyrese has a higher rating Rudy Gobert has to be the least fun player to play within NBA 2K

I'm going with Tyrese yeah them rebounding attributes and also that block attribute is saving Rudy's life right now so it might be Rudy I want to go Rudy Redigo Bear is in 84 overall Lower than Cat Tyrese Max is 85

Tyrese Maxie's the same overall as What? He's the same overall as Kent Who the fuck they think Tyrese Maxie is? This is crazy He's been so I like Maxie But he's somehow become incredibly overrated

I don't know who thinks he's as good as Carl Anthony Towns of basketball Bro they think he's some savior of an organization bro Put that hand down Tyree smacks He's not no 85 in any category

I'm sorry He's nice though Yeah good starter I don't think he's a low level All-Star type of rating That's ridiculous That's crazy as hell You think cats that

Yes Yeah I mean For all his flaws Cat still has Really high ceiling of his strengths Listen I'm not going to cat for cat Thank you I'm sorry for you

Carries Cat is a topic for another time Rudy Go Bear should be above Tyrese I mean Tyrese Yeah man That's that segment Next thing we're going to do Is we're going to do a tier list

This time it's going to be a tier list Of NBA hairstyles Yes sir We're going to put them in the tier list It's going to be great Let's put these NBA hairstyles Into a tier list First off we got Jimmy Butler's

Dread Weave How are we feeling about this? I do not I do not condone this behavior from anybody Listen listen I don't do it This is an S tier troll and also This doesn't look actually that bad on him This is Jimmy Butler or burn burner doesn't look that bad

No it looks a ass because we have to No it looks terrible because we have to talk about facial hair too And him going bald face with this was not the right combination If he had his beard maybe I could rock with it But this looks terrible as is These dreads look straight from a Tyler Perry movie I'm not doing this

This is high quality bro They don't look outrageously fake If you never saw Jimmy Bullitt before In your life you'd be like yo He kind of rocking him dredge right now But we know who he is She's the bald face Jimmy Butler has millions of followers on Instagram

Everybody knows who he is You're not fooling anybody Don't do this Don't do this I'll give it a C It's all right No D or lower

Wow I disagree We can go D fuck it Whatever Next up We have Julius Irving's iconic afro Hard This is an S to your damn near

Or A Maybe an A Maybe an A S is a straight Strong look Yeah Iconic look bro I'm gonna go

I'm gonna go S Just off of how iconic it is Yeah it's gotta be S dear Listen we talk about R all the time now With young players This 70s R was crazy It was crazy That's insane

It's so perfectly picked Has a little bit of depth to it Still wide. This is a good afro, man. This is a good afro. Throw to the S tier. It's how he's rocking it too, man. Exactly.

Jared Allen would never look this cool. Next one. We have Alfred Payton's, whatever the hell this is. He tried to be the weekend on this one. And 100% failed. The shot, his hair was actually blocking his view from shooting. And when your hair, negatively impacts your job

It has to be a D Your opposing team Gets an extra help defender on every jump shot Hell not Yeah bro He's never seen an open shot in his life Are we going to F Is it terrible or

Yeah it's terrible It has to be F It has to be F It's not there it is Next up We got James Hardin's iconic look Mohawk plus beard This has to be an S

because it was influential as hell and I've seen so many kids in the prime 2015-2016 era rocking the same influential. Yes it was, bro. You saw kids with beards? Not beards. I'm all for the Mohawk. Listen, the Mohawk man.

The Mohawk is influential. This is a haircut, not the beard. I don't think if you're... I think if you're over 27 and you got a mohawk, you need to be fucking for real. Listen, but he's in the NBA. I feel the same way, but Hardin,

is one of the rare people where it just works but it only works because he's good at basketball if he was somebody like you know let's say Danny Green right

if you're still rocking the Mohawk you gotta get up out of here facts exactly so we give him A is cool okay listen the beard is carrying I'm fine with A next up we got

John Morant's colorful dreads this has to be a S the aura is outrageous I don't know I can go ass he can't He can't be asked to do it

You really like John Oh whoa whoa Whoa whoa That's crazy I do not condone He's not playing fair He's not playing fair No no

I do not I do not condone These allegations All I'm saying is that The dreads The colorful dreads We haven't seen This type of multicolor

In the NBA In a very long time bro No it looks good We can go A It can't be It can be with Julius Irvin But it can be a I'll go A too

Yeah it looks good Yeah that's solid Wow. All right. Next up we got dwelling beads little braids. I don't even know

the starter braids bro. Ew. Starter twist. Ew. I just imagine I'm trying to shake them things

and then things are sturdier than ever. He looks like a little T.J. This has to be seen. This has to be seen. Like Moe said, those things are stiff and two,

the face that he's making looks middle school adjacent. I don't know what this face is. Yeah. I ain't go on. Why he's taking selfies like Drake? What is this? This is a bad picture.

I ain't going to look that eyebrow. He definitely has a mean-ass headache with how tight they are, bro. Mean headache. No, he's fresh up the salon, had to get snapped up. You want to see? I just imagine a too-be-honest caption. Gross. Like for a TBAH and rate.

What a time. All right next up who we got Next up we have La Mello Ball You want to talk about influential haircuts Every 12 year old in the fucking country loves this shit Yeah Yeah no

This is one of the Are we putting this with Dr. J's Afro Or does his Afro stand alone? Y'all are criminal I'm asking a question I'm trying to get to the bottom of where this ranking It's got to be A at best This is not better than Jaws

This is not better than Jaws This is not better than Jaws I'm thinking B for this but the influential hell but I don't think it's that clean but the influence though that's why it's beat here the influence is crazy

so you think that this is really like a C tier but it's bro yeah the influence doesn't match up with his greatness also just yet I think that has to play in like 2% factors

we're talking about here it matters all right we can go beat here be cool beer solid next one we got Amman Shumpert's iconic flat top.

This is an S tier. This is an S tier. All right. We're not doing this. As somebody who used to rock a flat top, I love this. I love this hair. Me and Shump were rocking this at the same time.

I'm giving this an S. You were taking your swag from Shumpert? First of all, nobody was rocking a flat top. Then I wore it to school day. I saw everybody wearing it. I brought the wave back. It was me and Shump.

We were the only two that I saw. Oh, man. That explains everything I need to know, Donovan. You are one of one You are one of those Oh my God This is nice

But it's not It's not A It's not B It's a solid C though It's a solid C No Yeah Do you see how straight

The back is Do you see the top Level This is this Mad geometric You know what You're from New York He played in New York

I can see why it's a B But bro Let's talk about worldwide Let's talk about world You're not not from New York at all. People reside there. No.

All right. We'll split the difference. We'll go be. This is a cool look, but it's not top tier. Yeah. It's the same. Next up.

Next up, we got Jason Tatum. Another popular one right now. I mean, this is a normal haircut for every dude, so this is like a C. I don't know.

This is mad regular. Yeah, it's a regular. Like, it's a... His hair's just soft. It's a high soft fade. Yeah. He's a mixed man

What can I say? He has nice curls He just looks Dominican That's it For light skins everywhere This is the poster child So like If we're talking influence

Whatever you think it is You have to bump it up Rex So everyone Could be a A Could be a B I don't know I don't know

C is very standard I think C is fair No it's better than a C Because I think that like This is a good haircut Okay B look Listen he used to have

That fucking buzz shit Super low and he looks way better now with this cut so it's got to be at least B I think I'll go B that's nice I can rock with that it took him a minute though to play well with this haircut

whenever he had this one when he first originally grew out his hair bro he was ass booty butt cheeks buns of steel he was not good at basketball and then come that shit off Kobe impersonation yeah exactly he was crazy

he was gross he was terrible he was terrible he didn't know how to finish around the room with hair on his head it was ridiculous all right next one Next up we have Dennis Rodman's iconic cheetah print hair S. This might, yeah, this is an S tier.

Hard, immediate S tiered. No second thought needed. This is on every graphic T Paxson has to offer. Everybody loves this picture, this hair. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's S tier for looking good. And then you realize they're threes and not just cheetah print. And you're like, oh, this shit is incredible.

Dude, easy. Wow, I just noticed it was threes. I want to find a way to put it. level above s tier that's not a level has to be yes yeah bro great wow you join julius urban the s tier all right next up we got jeremy lind spiky mohawk this is a safety has awful this is terrible yeah this is a terrible look i'm going what was he cooking he looks aquatic aquatic perfect word he does look not aquatic he looks aquatic he looks like aquatic he looks against gills

something out of water like he resides in a society that's not above ground yeah if I'm gonna hoop with Jeremy Lynn I'm gonna have to wear goggles that's a must

I'm gonna have to cover my whole body some way somehow bro you got a chain mill so you don't get punctured yeah exactly pro fucking suit of armor

yeah this is this is a D at best I'm going up tier if I put an F I'm not going to defend it. Let's do it. All right. That's the last hairstyle we got.

These were hilarious. Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to ask you guys a couple of questions for these TikToks, a little more open-ended, not necessarily as gamified. We're going to talk about NBA jerseys. We were doing that last week with the old and new, and I loved the way it came out. We hadn't talked about jerseys in a while.

This time I want to know which NBA team has the worst jerseys. There's, listen, there's... Immediately you have to say the Utah Jazz. They're one of us. Waste of space That remand is horrible That's true So I think I think Utah

Is terrible because they went With this like super Like overly simple This neon thing It's honestly really I think also Low key The Clippers uniform

I was just gonna say that We are right here Donvin I don't think that they know what they're doing But they rebrand so many times And every time it just gets worse and worse They are just immune to improvement. You know who.

I can't think of that word. You know who else. I know I'm sorry. You know who else belongs on this list? The Washington Wizards. I've never seen a jersey. I've almost never seen a jersey where I'm like, they were in their bag. They were cooking.

It's rare. How many iconic wizards have you seen? Well, they have a couple of iconic ones. I think that the blue, I think that the blue, I think that blue like in gold one i think that one is really good i kind of like that whole era also the pink uniform from last season that was low key kind of that was hard that was low key kind of fire that is true that is true no honestly go y'all we're sleeping on the biggest losers of all time in jerseys the Dallas mavericks need a rebrand so fucking bad and every city jersey they do besides last

years horrible remember that fucking graffiti shit they did the subway surfer ass jerseys hell yeah those were ass gross man yeah no they've had this same jerseys and Steve Nash was on the Mavs. They need a rebrand so bad. We were like three or four years old when it happened or six or something like that's ridiculous. It's absurd. The Indiana Pacers deserve a spot

on this list too, bro. They have the most... They're mid. They're the definition of mid across every standard in NBA history. Drive picks. Never had a number one, bro. Fits. Their ass. No real success. They're ass, bro. They're just destined to be mid in every category.

That's some real mid. Well, we're also being Real nice to the Pistons for ignoring their current standard jerseys. Those are ass. Those are trashed. Terrible. That is true. That is true. Yeah, listen, it's a lot of me going around in the league.

Yeah, that's some stinkers. All right, we want the next thing. Next question I have for you guys. Who are the best NBA players that aren't fun to watch at all? Oh, wow. Okay, well, for one, the guy just loved to hate on. I don't think Rudy Gaubert is fun He was he was great a long time

Oh yeah, by default No Rudy Gaubert Dremon Green Great players Defense matters Terrible to watch Oh Dremon is actually fun to watch

Because he's unpredictable He might throw a nice pass Once about Curse out of his teammate Or file the shit out of somebody For no reason whatsoever You're right And any given play

There might be physical harm Given to another player Whether it be on the opposing team Or on his team So I guess that's something Facts exactly Can I say something is this a safe space

it is I don't think Jason Tatum is that fun to watch oh you go to hell I am glad you said this I have never liked watching Jason Tatum I think at his best when Jason Tatum is on he's fantastic and he's really good

but there's a lot of times we're just seeing like Jason Tatum just do regular stuff he's having good games nothing crazy but it's nothing like wow like what is going on what am I seen? He's just so fundamental tool, which is like a good thing. It's why he's good, but he's just so stiff and just regular.

And like you watch him, even when he makes like seven threes in the game, like, wow, he's fucking cooking. I am not moved. You got fun. That is the worst opinion I've heard in a long time. DeMontes of subonis is right there and you pull out Tatum out of your pocket. What are we doing right now? I think the Montesabonis sucks.

I'm not picking seven months. We don't, we are not looking at Subonis and Jason him in the same tier. That's not what we're doing here. So is a bonus? fun to watch us or no fuck no he can be exactly oh my god on a good night let me not say that because passing bigs are fun to watch watching him throw dimes in the high post is something oh my god bro but he's also not one of the better players in the league so like i that's it matches of also also while we're getting hate off i don't want to be personal

listen the same thing with jason tato kind of applies to tray young i think that when I think that when Tray Young is on, he's fantastic. And when he's cooking and you're like, wow, like he's shooting from this far away. If it's just a regular Tuesday night in November, Trey Young doesn't really move me like that. Oh my God. You can say that for like 80, 95% of the league. That's trash.

If you like Trey Young, you love watching them cook. If you don't like them, you're like, pass some fucking ball, dude. It's like, it just depends how much you fuck with him as a person. Yeah, exactly. you know who you should have put on this list Joel and Bede if it's in the summertime He ain't never gonna do shit bro

But maybe that Maybe watching him fail Could be fun at the same time I think people over hate In Bid's game People like people love to hate on foul merchants And I'm like Joel and B's probably one of the worst ones at it

But there's so much he does That's incredible to watch for a big man That overall I like watching him But he do be fallen And that does get annoying It's that and then seeing how many times he falls on the ground It's like bro, I understand you're probably doing that to protect yourself But God man get up

You slow down the game when over you're on the ground so much How do I feel about Luca? Because a lot of people are getting real sick of his foul baiting and complaining No, the passing is too top to be to be mad at that sorry Yeah, I can't Yeah, the passing is incredible I'm always going to love watching them I'm starting to get just a little bit tired of it You're tired of everything

What do you like watching? God, who are you going to say next? Kevin the Ray, LeBron Dame, who are you going to say? Who do you enjoy watching? Hey, basketball. Do you like basketball? Are you a tennis type of guy?

U.S. Open? I love tennis. Gross. So I respect Serena so much. Shout out of cooking. That's funny. Who do I like? I like Seth Curry.

I like Tyrese. Yokich is always fun. Shay, Jimmy, there's a bunch of guys that are fun. And there's a bunch of guys who are also not that fun. All right, man. Last thing we're going to do before we get out of here, we're going to play a game of 20 questions. But this time, instead of a player,

I'm going to have you guys guess a specific team that I'm thinking of. Okay. So that should be a fun one. We haven't done this in a while. I'm excited. Yep. Team specific is interesting.

So you'll have 20 questions to guess the NBA team I'm thinking of. Ooh. Any year. Any year. Okay. Yep. Okay. Donovan, do you want to ask if they won a championship first and foremost or no?

Let's wait a little bit. Let's wait a little bit. Okay. Actually, actually, no. Did this team win an NBA championship? Yeah, we'll start with that. They did not. All right.

They're like 90% of the league. Donovan, why do you let me say that? It doesn't narrow it down much. Listen, it could have narrowed it down. We had to take a shot. We had to take a shot. Did this team make the playoffs? They did.

Nice. Okay, okay, cool. Did this team have two All-Stars? Like that year, I think they might only have one that year. I think they might only had one. Okay, him saying, I think, is an indication. All right. Did this team have a former MVP?

They did not. So there might have been Let me see All right Do you want to cut it down Listen we're just talking about All time teams We really have to get specific

You want to just cut it down In the conference right now though Yeah let's do it Let's do it All right Cop out don't care Exactly Is this team in the Eastern Conference

They are I knew it was some mid Oh man Okay Eastern Conference cool Does this team have red in their jersey They don't

That's an interesting guess Okay Now I have to think about all the jerseys In the conference It's Loki a lot of teams Yeah Okay Do you want to get down to

Like eras Donovan Yeah Wait do you mind if I take A crazy half court pool Pull it pull it pull it Is this The 2009

Orlando magic this is not swing and a miss dang okay that was a good pool thank that was a good pool I've been a crazy ball if you were to hit yeah I had all the cost of the world okay whatever all right all right let's keep moving

all right did this did this team make the NBA finals no we already asked that no we asked if they won the championship that is true we didn't make it okay they were not a final loser Okay. So there is somewhat of a disappointment, I guess you could say. Well, depends. I mean, all right. Let's, let's figure out the era. Let's figure out the era. That's what's going to save us. Let's get serious.

For real. Is this team, did this team play in the 2010s? They did. Okay. They played in the 2010s in the Eastern Conference and they have no red a part of their organization at all. Didn't make the finals from 2010 to 2019 two All-Stars? That's that's two all-stars. No, only one All-Star. Only one All-Star? Yeah, only one all-star for real. So we can go ahead and cross out teams like the Miami Heat, the Chicago Bulls, the Hawks.

And all these teams with. And the Pistons. Exactly. I'm waiting towards someone in New York, Yonovan. I don't know which team you want to leave. That's what I'm thinking as well. That's what I'm thinking as well. Oh.

What version of the New York Knicks do you want to go with? I was thinking about the new era Brooklyn Nets. With KG. What year was that, though? The big three Brooklyn Nets? Yeah, what year was? Was that 2013? No.

No. What the fuck did you just say? What are you talking about right now? I'm talking about the KG Paul Pierce era, Brooklyn Nets. Oh, you say KG. I thought you said KD. No. Okay. You know what? Let's let's cut it down even more. Did this this team play between 2010 and 2015? Yes. 2010 and 2015. Donovan. Yeah. I think. We're cooking. Go ahead and pull Mo. Go ahead and pull. What year? What year did KG play on that team? 2013. Is this the 2013 Brooklyn Nets? Mo.

is not. You made me raise my hand for no reason? That's what I'm saying, man. He's playing with us. He's playing with us. Okay. Okay. Did this team make the second round of the playoffs?

They did. Okay. They made the second round of the playoffs. Did this team make the Eastern Conference finals? They did. Oh, shit. Between the years, 2010. There's only so many teams.

Exactly. There's only so many teams. Okay. So from 2010. In 2010, who was it? It was the Celtics? Oh, wait, but they didn't make the finals. Yeah, so cross out the Celtics.

So you have what? You have the 2010 magic. Yeah, you could say the magic. You could throw in the Cavs. Wait, no, not the Cavs. Yeah, the Caps have read in 2010. Yeah. The Caps have 10, I'm trying to think.

Caps have read in 2010, the Celtics in 2011, who makes out the East? the heat due, and they lose to the Pacers. Oh. They only have one all start. This is kind of before. This is baby Pacers. Is this the 2014 Indiana Pacers? This is not 2014 Indiana Pacers.

Were you thinking another year, Donovan? They're talking about. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think. Because in 2011, bro, my mind is racing. Okay, 2011 Eastern Conference loser is the Bulls 2012. the Pacers lost 2013

I think the oh wow I can't remember I can't remember Could it be the Celtics Is it? No it can't be the Celtics You know what maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe I think it might be the Celtics

Maybe you want to go 2012 Celtics Let's do it Is this the 2012 Boston Celtics This is not the 2012 Boston Celtics Oh my goodness How many more teams are in going through right now. I don't know.

You're going to get there. We're 16 deep. We are 16 deep right now, yo. Bro. Listen, we have the pastures in 14, the Celtics and in 2012, 2013. Oh, dude.

Go. When did? When did? Jew Holiday was an all star, right? What year was he an all star? What do you mean? What year was he an all star? Why does it matter?

For the Philadelphia 70. Oh, no, that team has read in it. No, they never made the conference finals. Oh. Is this the 2015 Boston Celtics? No. This is hilarious. What is happening?

Because it's so obvious. Do you want to say the Knicks, Donovan? Just go back to that. No, they made the conference finals. The Knicks never made it. Oh, yeah. If y'all don't get this, I'm going to die. Okay.

Listen, we have, we have 20. How many more teams left are there? We have three teams left and four questions. So we have to get it. We have to get this. You guys suck. Either you lie to us or we don't owe ball. You just said you don't have common sense.

I'm losing my mind. Because these teams don't, I'm trying to think of the teams that don't have red. And, like, in 2011, the Bulls have read in 2010, in 2010, is this the 2010 Orlando Magic? You guys are so stupid, no. Oh, my God, bro. What is happening? The years you guessed and fucking do math. I guess, I'm guessing 2010 through 2015.

I am in hell right now. Is this the 20? This can only be the 20. the only team that's left is the 2013 Pacers is that is that where we're going could he suck us out of like the exact year of this team possibly I'm so I'm so upset I'm guessing is this the 2013 Pacers yes it is you fucking morons thank God bro there's so many iterations of the Pacers what do you mean like

you just had to go through 2012 and 2014 you're like, oh, what are you going to be? God, we did it. We didn't fold. The record is solid. There you go. Never lost. Big ball of brain.

That's all that matters. Wu-Tang. I don't know. Wu-Tang! If you're still here, call me at Wu-Tang in all caps. Oh, my God, but. I don't spell it W-U-T-A-N-G. I want to see Wu-T-T-A-N-G.

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