The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put Every NBA Rookie In A Tier List | Ep. 82

Episode Date: March 29, 2024

2024 NBA rookies tier list! Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Intro- 0:00 Is Luka the best player alive?- 2:00 Anthony Davis talk- 12:50 rookies tier list- 29:02 producer corner- 1:09:35 back to tier list- 1:19:15 Tiktok time- 2:02:40 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

All right, Donovan, just off the start of the show, go ahead and get your next propaganda. Yeah! We're back. We're freaking back. We beat, listen, a 40-point win, I don't care if it's March. I don't care if half the league is checked out. I don't care if the Raptors are a money laundering situation right now. You beat anybody in the NBA by 40.

That is something to be very, very proud of. We got Mitchell Robinson back, only 13 points. It doesn't matter. Deuce McBride, Masterclass, right? All right, that's enough next propaganda. It's amazing. And real quick, real quick, before you come here off, before the Academy tells me to wrap it up, we are the new three seed in the Eastern Conference.

Congratulations. That will last for about two days. Anyways, let's continue with on program. We're back. As you guys see by the title, today we're making a tier list of every NBA rookie from this season. I say every, but a lot of rookies don't play in their rookie year or like second round picks that we don't know much about. So it's going to be the most relevant rookies

that have had a role so far We could really have an opinion on them Based on how we've seen them play And we're going to put in the materialist Based on long-term value How good we think they're going to be You know, not necessarily who they are today But like, you know, as prospects

Do you guys know the deal? I feel like, listen, at this point When you see every NBA team, every rookie If you see the word every And we're past Christmas Understand you're probably You're probably getting lied to, right? Like you guys know the deal by now.

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Let's get straight into the episode The cranium is crazy Oh my God I mean I would have done I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. Before we get into the meat potatoes the episode, I'm going to start a new segment

that we're going to do every single week. We're going to talk about the comment of the day. Every week, I'm going to pull one question from your guys' comments. You know, we used to do hot takes from every comment section and react to the beginning of the show. Mixing it up now. It's going to be like a mini Q&A at the start of every show.

So, you know, if you want your comment chosen next week, comment below in this episode, any question you want and we'll probably react to it. I say probably, but it's going to be like one out of three hundred. 100, so we'll maybe react to it. But this week's comment of the day is from Oliandro, I can't say the rest of the name.

I feel like I'm looking at it with dyslexia. But he said, Luca over Janus, and it's not remotely close. How do you feel about this take? That is hot as hell. Now, Luca has been bawling his ass off by saying it's not even close. It's kind of crazy.

Yeah, that part's obviously hilarious. I'm not talking about that part. But how do you feel about somebody thinking that Luca has been better than me? Janus this year, given his ridiculous statistical season. I can't blame him. I can't blame him. Listen, that white man is dangerous, okay?

That white man is crazy. I was watching the game last night, the Mavericks, and he had like 26 points at half time, and they were talking about it. They were like, how many times do you think he's had at least 26 points in the first half this season? And everybody's going around saying numbers. Candace Park says 12, and she was the highest one. and the answer was actually 13.

He's had, he's had 26 points 13 times in the first half this season, where he's able to do, like, it's, if he makes, like, the second round, obviously, Yokic is one. We might, he might be untouched number two by the end of this year. Two whites dominate the league, what a place we're in. Yeah. You've been waiting on this.

That is hilarious. I've seen your fantasy, too. on the on last week's live stream check it out five pym every monday go watch the vod we had a big conversation about is lucca the MVP is he being robbed and stuff like that there was a lot of mavericks fans in the chat that were like saying that and i was arguing with them a little bit and i was saying that no he's not being robbed of MVP no yokish just has equally impressive stats while being a waiting team luka you know as much as you want to argue against the fact that team success shouldn't be a big part of MVP it is so he's not the MVP he's not being robbed but i do think you could argue

him as being the best player in the world which is a different conversation from mvipi like you said donovan i think it's still yokech luka is officially in that conversation wherever you want to put him maybe you think yon is also in the conversation he is in bade whatever luca is firmly in that top tier yeah it's been a minute since like well i guess i guess i guess not a minute because like yokech is here but watching luka there's a sense of he's literally unguarable. There's nothing that you can do. There's no covers that you can throw at him.

There's no scheme. There's no player in the lead that you could throw on Luca and say he's going to be okay. And if he gets, if he ends the night with 27, seven and seven, right, a classic LeBron sat line, you're like, oh, we did good tonight. We held him in check tonight because any other time, he's going for 30 something. He's going for 30 and 10. Like there's, there's nothing you can do to stop him. yeah um i don't think it's insane at all to go ahead and call him the best player in the NBA with

what he's been doing over the last few years and especially this year 34 points 10 assists and nine rebounds it's absolutely insane and if you look at it ridiculous bro and you think when you think of like what it truly means to be the best player in the world is just unfuck withable and just having just like straight dominance and lucca is that and he belongs to he definitely belongs to be in those conversations alongside Luca, I mean, alongside Yolkich and Yonis and whoever else were done there. To have like a similar statistical scoring output to Joelle and B last year when he was MVP while also averaging 10 assists per game, like it's ridiculous. Like I've talked playing times on the show about how some of the best offensive players of all time are

top three scores in the league and top three passers in the league. You know, Yokic now, Peak James Hardin, LeBron James, these guys that are like truly generational creators for themselves and others. Luca might be number one as a score and like number one or two as a passer. It's absolutely absurd and obviously these narratives don't really stick until you win until you get a championship, right? We're witnessing one of the greatest offensive players

of all time. Yeah, for sure. I think for him, honestly, the difference between me like seriously considering him the best player in the world is he's going to have to get to like a passable level on defense. Fair. Because and because like Yokin,

for all like, you know, to talk early on in his career. He's a fine defendant. He's good. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's, like, he's, he's doing his job. And there's a whole bunch of possessions where Luke is doing crazy stuff on offense. You go, you flip the floor. He's a cone, right? A lot of, times. And so if he can, if he can raise that level up to where he's just fine, then we can start having real, real talks about, are you number one? I think he's fine overall, I'd say this year, because he's fine on ball. You know, a lot of Lucas stands on Twitter will, like, point to these very specific stats

of his points of possession guarding post-ups and stuff like that. Hilarious metric because that's like so fucking irrelevant. That's the old James Arden argument too. He's like he's a good post defender. Shut up. Shut up.

Luca does have good points of possession stats defending certain playtops on ball like that. He's fine at that. You know, he's a big guy. He's smart. He usually doesn't get blown by on a 101 session and a one-to-one sense.

But he's a terrible team defender. Too many plays off when he's complaining, doesn't get back in transition, gives up backdoor cuts, doesn't guard off while action. a lot like far more to defense than just guarding a post up against a guard he's defending like of course he can defend to kill Alexander Walker well in the post exactly because it's a kill Alexander Walker exactly and with the out taking the toughest matchups exactly I mean but at the same

time to be fair that's how it is for most NBA team's best players are always going to stick them on the weakest offensive link but um to get back to like luca dunceston is where he ranks in the NBA hierarchy. I just, I agree with you, Donovan. Like, it's, people aren't going to see him as that until he either, A, like, wins an MVP and that, in order to do that, you have to be at least a top four seat in the NBA nowadays. And the team success really just needs to follow up along his success. And there's only so much that he can do until he's officially crowned that. Which sucks. I will say, though, this tweet, what did your conversation is turning into Luka Talk?

original conversation was he's better than Janus. I don't necessarily think that's true so I guess I'll remind people with that. I think Janice is equally in that conversation for best player in the world. He's kind of being taken for granted for a little bit, especially in MVP conversations, how he's just like permanent voter fatigue.

Having a ridiculous season, just one of the most efficient 30 points of a game I've ever seen while still been a great defender. So I don't mean to bring this up in a way to diminish Janus at all. Yeah, I can see that. I think... That hurts you to say.

Well, I don't know. The permanent voter fatigue, so like, do you think Janus is just like forever not going to be in the, in like the MVP? You don't think he'll ever win another MVP. He is no, he's not sniffing it this year. And there's no reason that he shouldn't be in it like equally with like SGA. Like, Yonka is probably going to win. Fine. SGA is on a top team while averaging a very efficient 30 leading the offense doing everything.

All of those things can be said about Janus. And he isn't even in the top five of people's minds. Yeah. It's like narratives because O'KC are the new kids on the block and Shay's been Shea over the last two, three years and so. And the bucks overall and whatever like, what you want to put it, they've just been a letdown. Now, letdown is like winning damn near 50 games in a season and still like, you know, putting up 30 on 60% from the field or whatever. That's the honest standard. It's fucking crazy.

I don't think that he'll ever have a real chance to win MVP unless he's like, of course, number one. seat in the Eastern Conference or, you know, like, it's toe for toe in terms of standings with the number one seat. And right now, or. It was number one last year. Or if they, like, but again, so like the last two years, like, the last two years, like, Yoko has been going crazy and he's, he's gone to a level where we've legitimately thought about him in, like, these, like, all-time conversations, right?

The stuff that he's doing is there. Coming into this year, I don't think it would have been crazy to think about Yon. in MVP conversations, but, you know, their coach got fired midway. Like they, there's a whole, you're explaining the fatigue. Huh? You're, my back, keep going. I didn't mean to cut you off. No, no, please, no.

You go because I, what do you say? You're partially explaining the fatigue. We're focusing on his coach getting fired and everything and not accounting for the fact that throughout all that turmoil, they've still been good. Throughout having the worst coach in the league for a stretch, they were still really good because of yonest. That's like the epitome of value. And okay.

And this is where I'll push back because, and it's, it's, it's, it's, changed in like the last couple of games, especially now the doc is here. I would argue that they were winning games, but they were not good at the beginning of the year. I, I didn't. And so like, I think the fact that like you can watch those games and be like, yeah, like they're ending up on the right side of the win column, but something doesn't look right. It doesn't feel right. And you could tell that something was off. Maybe that was just the fact that Adrian Griffin was there. Or it's the fact this entire year him and dame haven't been able to get on the same page whatever it is you that was very very apparent through the first what 41 games or whatever the whatever the game number was

before um griffin got fired so that that was more about the expectations that come with us talking about them being the best duos in shack and covey we thought they're going to be like an unstoppable team and they were just like really good and not unfuck with the bull so it felt much worse than it really was they also were bad at defense like actively bad so that's That's why I would push back and say, like, yes, you're getting the job done. And kudos to you because a lot of other people, if your defense was that bad, you would be suffering in the standings and you didn't. So I do want to give them credit for that.

But I don't think the first half of the season was MVP worthy for Janus in that sense. Yeah, I get that. Yeah. Yeah, listen, 10 games of the season, Mo was saying their coach should be fired. So, like, he was dealing with a lot of the negatives that, like, Luca Dantes is dealing with. And still winning? Yeah. Like, you know.

Yeah. It's tough, man. But speaking of Janus, this is a smooth transition to one of TD3's newest segments. Moment of the week where we go ahead, look back over the last seven days and see what has happened over the last seven days and then be a word. So. Moment of the. of the week, this week, belongs to Anthony Davis going up against Yons Tendez Cumpo and the Milwaukee Bucks.

He gave that man 34, 23, and 4 blocks, and specifically an overtime against that in that game. Hit a clutch three. Fourth quarter also hit a clutch three, and he blocked Damien Lillard, not once but twice. One of the games having blocks to that game, and they ended up winning against the Milwaukee bucks with a LeBron James sitting down. Congratulations, Agent Davis. I'm ready to have conversations about Anthony Davis I'm glad you brought this up as a moment

You wait you wait into the off season You wait into the off season I'm ready I'm prepared Coming into this year I was called all type of munch Every time I defend Anthony Davis Because he was coming off of a MVP playoff run

Where he had inconsistent scoring right He had 31 game 12 to next 31 game 12 to next I kept going back and forth They lost got swept by the nuggets The narrative was that AD was the best defender to guard Yokic He should do a good job

He got clapped He got dusted by one of the best offensive players you've ever seen. So his reputation was a bit in the mud, right? That's after coming off multiple years of being injured all the time. He has played 90 of his last 100 games. The last three games, he's played 40 minutes, 40 minutes, and 52 minutes. He's having one of his best two-way seasons of all time, has been nothing but consistent, nothing but available, just completely proving all the ridiculous street-closed narrative is wrong. Everybody punching when he was down. We had Shaq on TV, calling him all types of things out of his name,

all kinds of just disrespect, treating him like he was a top third. player now because he was injured. He's answered all of these criticisms so perfectly this year and it's great to see him finally get some recognition for it after this game. Look at him slobbing all over it. Oh my goodness. That's insane. Personal. Damn. We get it.

Donovan. What do you have to say about it? Because you've been the number one Anthony Davis hater on this podcast. What? You're kidding. You. You disrespect me. You call me out of my name. like you're like you're the anti-divistator exactly no i mean listen he's he's actually been healthy

so like shout out to him for that um the street close narrative is dead that doesn't mean that it was ever wrong right he was he was hurt all the time so there's that it was right there's unfair yeah whatever but he has he has been hooping and honestly like i remember when we were doing our Winners and Losers episode, I was very tempted. I can't even remember if I did put him on there. But I had Anthony Davis as one of like the big losers because he's been having one of his best seasons and nobody really cares because the Lakers is just that much in the mud. And so I want to see, I want to see the Lakers not only in the playing, but if they get out,

what do they look like in the first round? Because if they end up playing a team like the Oklahoma City Thunder and you can, can have Anthony Davis really abused Chet Holmgren down low, then you can start getting some momentum. And I think regardless of how the Lakers have looked all year long, you still don't want to see LeBron James in a playoff series. You still don't want to see Anthony Davis in a playoff series and that two-man game and their defensive ceiling. You don't want to see that. So I think shout out, A.D. He's been hooping. He's doing everything that he needs to do. and I'll see you in the playoffs.

And you better not. You better not. If you give me 24 one night, I better not see 11 the next night. That's the next box to cross off. If he can do that, I have nothing to say. Anthony Davis, for me, I've been realizing that he's easily like one of the most hate,

one of the top five hated players, hated superstars in the entire NBA. yesterday I was at the park playing basketball Top one. Yeah, yesterday I was at the park playing basketball and some dude just, I don't know, we're talking about basketball, whatever, park basketball, just blah. It's like barbershop talk. He

opens his mouth and he just starts flapping his gums. He's like, man, the Lakers should have never traded for Anthony Davis. Terrible trade. I looked at it on, I'm just like, what is the point of the trade? You want a championship? He was like, yeah, but still, he just ain't good enough. And I don't know what it is about people in Anthony Davis and how they

perceive him, but I guess they expect him to be the best player in the entire world, which is like he was the number one pick, I guess, okay, fine, but you really have to add context behind those conversations, but literally, whatever he does, it's never good enough. It never will. It sucks, but he has, like, I don't know what, I don't know what type of bias people have against him, but he just will never be seen in a underrated or positive light on a consistent basis by the average NBA fan. No, he has to win the championship again. Again?

They have to win again. Listen, first of all, first of all, I hope that guy is watching right now and he can just hear you be like, yeah, that guy's a bozo. Like that would be very, moron. That would be hilarious. I told him, I was like, what are you talking about, brad? But two, I understand why people look at Anthony Davis like this. Four, four or five years ago, whatever, Anthony Davis was this, at least all

offensively, this guy who could shoot from the mid-run, who could shoot threes, could do all this other stuff, you know, on the perimeter. And his game has completely changed. The version of Anthony Davis that helped the Lakers win the championship, that's no longer there. Now, the version that he is today is still amazing. I'm not trying to say that. But that version and the, and the vision of seeing Anthony Davis take a three, take a catch and shoot three to win the game against the Nuggets and him doing this and being like in the pain and dominating like that, those are two very different people. And so it's been very hard to wrap your head around that while the Lakers have been in the mud for the last three years. Obviously, there's a lot of context,

but that's why it's been hard because you have to like, those two things are very hard to put together, you know? I'll tell you what it is. That's part of it, obviously. But one, Lakers fans are insane, insane expectations being a Lakers fan. They've seen Kobe. They've seen LeBron. They've seen Shaq, they've seen magic, they expect the best player in the world at all time from their superstars. That's one point of pressure. Second point of pressure, LeBron James, and the microscope of that is insane. LeBron fans expect the best player in the world next to them, expect everybody to uplift

their goat and not be the reason they don't win or lose. You have to be at your absolute best every game for playing with LeBron, another form of expectations. Too deadliest fan bases, bro. Combined. And then he also was talked about as being a top four player in the NBA earlier in his career when he's on New Orleans, so he has those expectations of people still thinking he's at that level. Reality is, Yokic, Luca, Embed, these other guys came up and just became better.

They surpassed him, you know, and he aged the other way, so he's no longer in those conversations when he once was, but people still think about him in that conversation because, you know, that's where he was early in his career. It's all these things combined that just make him have expectations of, like you said, people expect him to be the best playing in the world any given night. And it's just not a line of reality. Like Donovan said, he's a slight different player now. He's like the ninth or tenth best player in the world, which is still obviously amazing.

but people expect three, so they over-corrected. And he's like, nah, he's like 30 now because he's not, and he would wear close to what I expected. And when it comes to, like, talking about how much his game has changed, it also is very, like, you have to realize that also his situation is completely changed, too. Everybody wanted him to play the five. We all know. I'm glad you said this.

They're like, oh, bro, like, play the five. He don't want to do that shit. He was literally quite literally forced to with all the roster changes. he literally had to put on weight. So, of course, that changes everything about his game. He doesn't, he isn't as springy, isn't as agile. And with that, too, your shot changes just naturally. And he doesn't have that lift at all anymore either.

But he's still dominant, but it looks completely different compared to what we saw when he was 23, 24, 25 years old. Thank you for bringing this up. Because Lakers fans are insane. Like I said, listen, I'm a Lakers fan of fan of them. The fan base has gone insane over Anthony Davis and how they want him to be used. Like you said, in 2020, when he was playing next to Javelle McGee and Dwight Howard,

and even before that on the Pelicans, people were saying this man needs to be the five. We were watching a team that was defensive oriented and the offense was good enough but not amazing. And every Lakers fan was saying, look, Anthony Davis needs to play the five, get Javelle McGee out of the motherfucking starting lineup, close games at Anthony Davis of the five. That was begged for. And then it finally had to happen whenever they got Russell Westbrook

and everybody was fine with it. Everyone was like, thank God. Now, because they're not good and people need to, find a way to find things to blame. And because like Donovan said, he's playing differently. People were like, oh, it was a mistake. He should have stayed a four. He never wanted to be a five. His body can handle it. He gets hurt. You're running him into the ground. And they're saying that like, the Lakers need to go out and get a traditional five this offseason to put LeBron, to put AD back at the four. And it's like, y'all just don't know what you want. You have short-term memory.

He should have always been a five. He's still great now. We don't got to make him into a less ideal situation play next to another non-spacing big because you want to preserve him or something. Like, it's all so stupid. listen i i i have a question though i i have a question because i want to go back to something that you said with the lebron fan base and the laker fan base do you genuinely feel like those expectations are not fair oh do i think the lakers fan should expect every player the play for their uniform to be the best playing in the world because they're entitled? Not every, not every player.

Not every player. You know, you know exactly, exactly like the range of player that we're talking about. We're talking about the guy that they trade three, four first-round draft picks for and traded the whole baby Lakers for. And if you have LeBron James who up until, what, two years ago, everybody was still saying, like, yeah, like he's probably still like, what, top three in the world? If you have those two guys, is it not fair? to ask for for championships if you if you have a franchise who over the course of their

history every decade has has won championships is that not fair well you're naming things that are just in nothing to do with reality like is it fair to want championships sure is it does it have anything to do with expecting a top 10 player to play like a top three player no it's if you have but if you have lebron and anthie davis do you think it's unfair to go into the season saying we should we should be competing for a championship no of course it's not unfair but that's nothing to do with the conversation we're having I haven't know the reason they're not competing for a championship is everything else

outside of these two guys right and how they ruined their death with the Russell Westbrook trade that has little to do with Anthony David's merits shout out Polika for that trade love that he said shout out Polika Palinka just doesn't catch enough hell for how badly you fucked over this entire like LeBron E.D. era with that Russell Westbrook trade single-hand g-m was slacking chance that they have and people just people will realize this until like maybe two three years until like lebron is actually retired or whatever and that's like the real issue in terms of just like why they aren't where a lot of leaker's fans feel like they should be

at mm-hmm this man they had caruso 65 kCP 65 danny green 6-6-6-6-9 they were huge all these perimeter talents all went out the door for a point guard that never fit plus the traffic. I have one question. Donovan, do you think Anthony Davis has reached expectation? Yes and no. I think like, I think there's a certain group of players. And honestly, Anthony Davis is a prospect coming out. You could ask, you probably could have asked this of him. If you, if you told me, what, 12 years ago that Anthony Davis was going to be this level of a defender in the NBA, he probably meets expectations. The ones where he doesn't, meet him are the ones from 2014 where everybody was like yeah in two years he's going to be

the best player in the world so like he never got there but like Isaac said he's he's still one of the 10 12 best players in the league so yeah I think for if you're a number one pick and you are perennially all NBA all defense yeah you you reach expectations yeah and it's also just hard for people to really rationalize and they're like I really like understand the value of players that are better defensively and they are offensively. That's what the core of their value comes from. Like, he's,

I had to speak about this yesterday after this game. You're talking about where he blocked that Damon Lillard shot at the end of the game. He's up there with Tim Duncan as the best defenders to never win a DPOI. Like, I don't know what the arbitrary number is, but whatever the top tier defenders of all time is, it's called top 30, top 20, whatever.

I think he's that caliber of defender. He's an all-time great defender. You have no idea how good Tim Duncan was. Yeah. Like, he's not Tim Duncan, obviously, but like, is he in the same stratosphere of defender, albeit being worse? I don't think that's insane. And obviously, you know, you can pick the offense and the defense, specifically

Wade is better or worse. He's not Tim Duncan overall. I made that clear. But he is an all-time great-level defender. Okay. I won't argue with that because I think we've definitely seen, like, specifically last year. Last year's playoff run was just so. eye opening because I don't I don't think I've ever seen Anthony Davis play defense to that

level. Yeah. His room protection and everything that he did last year was amazing. And it feels like it feels like he's taking it to another level this year. And so to be able to do that for, you know, two straight years, it's fine that obviously he was a great defender before that. So yeah, I won't argue that. Yeah, it's kind of the inverse of the thing where people were upset that he lost some ability because he's playing the five and like he doesn't quite have the handle he used to. I think he's helped in defensively, like you said, he can bang down low. Obviously, it's his biggest weakness as a defender is like someone like a yokech and get into his chest. Like, I mean, who's, who's guarding yokech? But, you know, he's the smartest

pick and roll defender in the league. His ability to take away the ball handler and the big man in a traditional pick and roll, play both sides, break up passes with his length, defend the shot at the rim. That type of versatility to card 1v2 essentially is top tier. That's that's some Hakeem Elijah one. shit. Like, that's something that the best defenders of all time can do. Plus, we know he has far better mobility on the perimeter than most offenders of that caliber. Like, he can legitimately switch onto wings and some guards in some instances and hold his own. All the makings of an all-time great defender, I think. I agree. Completely agree, man. And if you're a Lakers fan, if you're, if you're a Lakers fan and you're just like thinking about what the future

looks like post-lebron James, seeing this win doesn't make me, you know, too sad. I'd actually be a little bit excited. Seeing Spencer, then would he go ahead and hit. clutch shots when needed after hitting getting zero buckets. Austin Reeves getting up a triple double. What? You'd be all right. Stop trying to piss me off.

Guys, I have sad news to report what. The Clippers won today. Pull one out for Donovan's Clippers 8. Moment of silence. They won't. Listen, they were down like nine to start the fourth. They won by one point.

I'm sick. I wanted them to lose so bad. No. No, this sucks. This is awful. That's hilarious. All right, man. That concludes the Lakers talk, I guess.

We can move on for a moment of the week and get to the real main topic of the show. Let's put every NBA rookie into a tier list. Like I said, it's not actually every rookie, but we have 22 of the most relevant rookies from this draft class. The ones that have played, the ones we have been able to watch enough

and have real opinions, I'm not to pretend to have seen every single rookie in the second round or late first. I don't know some of these guys yet. They haven't gotten burned. But this is everybody that I think we should be talking about today. And instead of a traditional tier list with, like, letter tiers, we got superstars, all stars, high-end starters, solid role player, bench warmer, and bust. That's cool.

This is, this is... No, the tier list says high-end star. Can you change the starter? This is going to be a special tier list. Now, something that I will say is that this NBA draft class has been one of the best in a few years. Last year was 2022 when we got Paola Bankero. Chet didn't play so, you know, he wasn't part of that rookie, rookie class. But it was Paulo.

J. Dubb did well. But after that, we're talking about some Keegan Murray for being in the rookie of the year contest. He had a great rookie season. But this rookie class is truly special from what I see. And there's like, there's a lot of talent here, a lot of stars here, in my opinion. Oh, it's deep for sure. Hey, yo. Okay.

Crazy. All right, let's get the easy ones out the way, right? Let's just start with the easy ones. Number one, let's put Vic in superstar status. We can all agree. We've talked about it. People. Exactly.

Every time we talk about it, people call it the lasers. It is what it is. We love this guy as much as everybody else does. Yeah. Obviously, a future face of the league. Exactly. And also with this tier list, we are projecting forward. This is not where, like, this is not where people are.

today. This is not where they're going to be like next year. This is for their entire career, their whole, you know, bird's eye view of everything. Obviously, big superstar. Yeah, yeah. It's basically kind of like a pre-draft evaluation, but what we think after seeing them for one year, right? It's like we're scatting them again after a rookie indoor belt, what we think they're going to be for their career. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Mo, do you think Chad Holmgren belongs in a superstar or All-Star? Whoever thinks he belongs in an All-Star needs to get their mouth struck from their face, all right? There it should be no reason why you see

you see him play 50, 60 games and you're like, nah, man, he's going to be an all-star. Nah, man, high-end role player. The worst case scenario for someone like Wembe, he could walk into eight all-stars, all-star games throughout his entire entire. I said Chet Hongren. I asked you about.

Oh, you said Chet Hongren. I don't know why I heard Wemba. Damn, I'm also violent. for a reason. Just so Glazing. He didn't even know. He just started.

It's just ingrained him. His mind just took him there. Started slurbing. Wimby, wimby. Okay. Do you think Chet is a superstar or all-star? Well, first of all, is superstar what do you want to call it, like a top 10 player? Superstars like you can be in the conversation for like one of the best players in the world.

Top 10, 15 for sure. Okay. Let's say it's top 12 player. Do you think chat will hit that level? Breaking in the middle, I don't think Chet will hit that level because I think he's best as a secondary type guy.

And although, like, I will say, secondary type guys can be, second options can be in that conversation a la Anthony Davis or whatever. So actually at his peak, I think he actually could be a superstar considering the value that he brings on both ends. I think so too.

I think he will be Rudy Goldberg with a three-point shot and a handle. I think that sounds to me the 10th best player in the world. That's a lot to ask for, That's a, it's a lot, that's a lot to ask. I have lost the expectations. I'm clearly, I've been very high on Chet.

It's got to me yelled at by Turkish fans telling me, do I tell you, it's better than San Guna ready, all this stuff. You guys know how I feel about Chet. What would be the reason for that not to happen? Because, you know, the injury prone thing was an issue coming to the year because of his size. He's played every game. He can shoot the ball, can handle it, can create his own shot, contrary to popular belief. He's not just a Shea merchant. Defense has been better than we ever thought.

Like, what would stop him in that level? The defense is the reason why he. he's on that level, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to say my reason, and you're going to tell me to go to hell, but when I, what I was going to say it already. When I think about, like, superstars, I'm thinking about, like, am I building my franchise around you, and, like, you are, like, the, the person, and I'm, I'm still

not sure if Chet is going to be, like, the person that I could build a championship team around. Think about this. Is that because of anything to do with him? or is that just because you have the context in your mind right now of him play next to Shea and being a second option? Something that I will say too is like... I don't know. It's...

I think it's a little bit of that way. Wait, go ahead, Mo? I was just going to say, like, over the last 10 years ago in the NBA, people, everyone thought we only, we only had like six superstars in the league. And now in the year 2024, that motherfucker doubled. And I think now in the NBA today, like, yeah, inflation is really hidden. and someone like Chet taps into that area and so he also belongs to be in that superstar terrain

because of just all the type of things and the value that he brings. It's immense, especially with how the league is trending right now. So I feel like he should be in that category. I think if he was drafted to the Raptors or if he was drafted to the magic or somewhere else that didn't have an All-N-BIA guard,

it would be a lot easier for us to view him as a cornerstone because, you know, like I said, right now you just see him and you think about Shea. You think about him play next to already great players, that doesn't mean he can't play next to, you know, lesser talent and be the guy to elevate them. You just have that preconceived idea of him. Yeah, man, it's tough. I don't know. I'm staring at his picture right now.

I'm trying to, we can go superstar. I'm not going to, I'm not going to fight it. I'm not, I'm also, I'm also very high on chat as well. I just, it's a very, like, minuscule difference that we're talking about. The only thing that may be stopping me or that has me questioning. questioning his superstar ability is like the consistency in offense and if he can be a consistent I don't know 20 to 23 point per game score and I feel pretty confident that he could be considering all the ways that he can get to his spots but right now it's just hard to see it on a consistent

basis because sometimes he'll get fucking 12 points off other nights will get like 20 points off and that's all just based off of matchups and how many opportunities that he gets alongside jdub and say who are absolute gunners. You know, it's just hard to see. There's a lot of shots been taking my other guy, so he can't always have the amount of touches needed to hit those high levels. It doesn't mean he can't do it. And, you know, it's projecting forward, right?

It's not for this year. It's like what we think long term. I don't see any reason to believe he can't do it. At bare minimum, he'll be an all-star level, though, for sure. Guaranteed, he's a lock. Yeah, that's the floor. Might be an all-star next year. Thanks.

All right, yeah. Yeah. Lock it in. Yeah. Lockinginghamgren, future superstar. Yeah. glad I won one of these. I imagine I won't win a lot of them. Where are we going with Brandon Miller?

He's a surefire all-star in my mind. Sure-fire, all-star. Very worse. Do you see a superstar tier? Yeah. No, I don't see a superstar tier. I think All-Star is fine. I think the shooting is obviously, like, very, very intriguing.

But, like, when you... I'm thinking about, like, Chet and Victor and then being a superstar and them being like transcendent prospects. I don't think Brandon Miller is that yet. He could be very, very good and he could ultimately turn out to be that way. But I don't think anything he does is truly special the same way that they do. But he's still very good. So I think All-Star is fine.

That's fair. I think he's going to be a very good shooter, pretty good defender. It comes down to if the passing comes around for him to be like a really great offensive player. And the rim finishing has never been good at any level. that can probably become at least solid as he gets older that's not hard to project but I think the passing

would have to come around for him to really be a superstar yeah like his main comparison yeah perennial all star or just like one two time

how we feel like perennial all star he's not going to be like a you know Sabona's D-Lo or they sneak in a couple times but he can be like consistently there

you know he's not going he's not going to be Brandon Ingram Maria's one and probably never again or does he have two I think he has one I believe maybe he has two

no he has one he has one let me check that okay yeah yeah we can go red and another star yeah I agree that's fair very fair yeah do you think he can be the best officer player on championship team one day

I view him maybe it's too hard to tell and yeah it's too hard to it's too soon to tell right now for him but I think just putting him at like all-star level is like a fair expectation considering he came off off the bat off rip putting up like 16

in a game on a horrid Charlotte Hornist team that has like not a lot going on and just terrible vibes, terrible, just everything, bro, all around him. So yeah, I think that's fair. Okay. Where do you guys want to go with Brandon Pajemski? It's interesting. Over the last 16 games, he's shooting like 39% from the field. He's like, he's a good player. And I think a lot of players would love to have him on your team. I think he's in the same vein of like, Dante de Vincenzo, like Josh Hart-type vibes. He's going to get it all for you, bro. I like the Dante DiVincenzo comparison.

Obviously, different players. Dante's a really good defender. It has a little bit of driving juice to his game. Maybe that, I don't know if Pod's going to have one day. But in terms of, like, caliber, I like that. Is that a high-end starter? Or is that a solid role player? I think that's a solid role player.

I think, yeah, a solid role player. What do you guys think about when you think a high-end starter? Like, KCP? Like, like, Derek White. That's how I view like a high-end starter. Do I? It's like, yo, this dude is very fucking special. And.

Okay. Where's KCP fall? Casey's high and starter. Really? Can Paws be KCP? I don't know. KCP is really good. Like,

Casey's really good. KCP is really good. I don't know. Yeah. Because KCP even like, even like outside of his nugget stint, he had like some juice and some like, athleticism that like I'm not sure if pods is is there yet I don't know I think he

has some ability to create his own shot only 61% of his shots are assisted this year which is high but for a rookie guard play next to step it's not that high like to have what is that 49% of your shots be self-created isn't a terrible place to start from you know he has some size to him he's not a little guy so like I think he can be a pretty solid defender I don't think he's a Cohen by any means no you guys I just think he can be like a great shooter because, Mo, you just say he fell off shooting-wise in the last 10 games. Rookie wall, it happens, right?

Like, it's fine. Do you profile him as being a great shooter eventually? I don't know about great shooters. Like, that's why I'm like Dante Divencinzo arranged. Ironically enough, who had like 113s the other night. That's what I'm like, don't know. Listen, Dante's lighting it up this year. So maybe Pods could have like a year like that where everything is kind of just falling.

But if that's the case and it's going to be like on a year-by-year basis, then I do think solid role player is where he should be. Okay, that's fine. I want to argue too much. We don't know if I have a lot of Pots Discord today. Cool, dude. Where are we going to go with Derek lively? That's a high-end starter.

He's someone who surprised everyone in the NBA world. He had little to no real expectations coming out of college. And for what he did the very first game, I think, I forget who the Mavericks played against. damn, I forget who but he had a terrific showing throughout the entire course of the season with his shot blocking, the vertical threat that he is, and also the ability to be just an extension court on offense, just make extra passes. I think he's a high-end starter.

I agree. I agree. I think, listen, if he stays with Luca, he could be an all-star, right? But just thinking about, like, him and his profile across, like, all teams, if Luca was ever to go or if he was ever to go, I think that that archetype of just being a very athletic big who can, you know, who could be a lot of threat, defend the rim really well. That's, listen, a lot of teams need that. So that's definitely a high end starter. For sure. I don't ever think he'll be like a great self-created type shot type of guy or like, you know, a shooter by any means.

But I think he can be a pretty solid passer one day. You see the flashes when he gets in a short role situations. He knows that I kick into shooters and keep the ball move. I think he is now. He processes the game pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't have like the usage or to really like be like an high assist guy. But you see that his gears turn quickly and he keeps the ball moving and processed the

game fast in those reading situations. If he could be DeAndre Jordan with solid short roll passing, that's a high end start. That's the exact thing that I was thinking about was, was Deandre. Yeah. Okay. That is a fantastic player, bro. If Clint Capella had his passing chops right now, it would be a completely different team. Exactly, bro.

Exactly. So I love If he was If he's Klincapella With Al Horford's Brain High and Starter

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time So So high and start for Derek lively Yeah I love it Jaime Hakez Jr.

Hmm It's tricky This is This is tough This is tough quality player. I don't want to hate him my Mexican king. I know people love him. I'm thinking solid role player. The three-point shooting was nice at the start of the year. It was like, whoa, we shoot 38%. We thought he'd be a mediocre three-point shooter. Once November ended, it kind of came

on normal. It's about 32% for the year, I think, which is, you know, probably what you expected to coming into the year with his shooting level at UCLA. He's always going to be a good isolation score, concrete shots in the post, solid passer. Defensively, I don't think he'll be a huge impact guy or a big liability just fine. It's going to be hard to imagine him playing like some other stars in a starting lineup with that being his game. Yes.

When I sounds like a bench spark plug. He's had months where he shot like under 30% from three. Like the beginning of the season was such an anomaly from what he actually is as a shooter to where if you cannot space the floor and you don't have any other defining traits like some of the other guys on this list,

I don't think you can be a high-end starting. You're really going to be situationally dependent and hoping that everybody else on your team can shoot the ball and you can just be the one guy doing a little bit of everything else. So solid role player is where I would put him as well. Yeah, I can agree with that. When I think of like high-end...

We're very aligned here. High-end starter. Where's the debate? I see someone like Jaime Hawkes and I don't think he's a high-end starter because I don't envision him being like an X factor or someone who, like, can, you can, like, really expose another team's offense or defense with him, you know? I just don't see it just yet. Yeah, he's going to end up being the X factor for, like, he's going to be the type of player where you're going to go into a playoff series and be like, well, like, if I may can shoot, like, 33% from three, maybe we could get it done.

Like, he's going to be that type of swing guy where they're going to leave him open. He's going to be required to make a couple plays here and there and kind of change the outcome of a game. that's that's what role players do okay yeah I think it to be a high-end starter that implies like I said you're not an all-star you're not the guy with the ball on your hand usually you have to be able to play next to other stars and elevate them basically you have to be good at 3 and D you should ideally bring other stuff as well but you got to check those boxes that all the guys you've mentioned is high in starters check not sure either those things will be a strength for high may and his prime I think he's older so like we can't really not as much projection of improvement as we have some of the other guys yeah yeah I agree I agree I agree All right, who's next? Let's flip you to the other side. Let's pick a really young raw guy. Balal Kulibali. Oh, okay.

Alal Kulabali, he's so hard to project right now because he's Uber young, but the shades and you see just like the glimpses here and there between every other game. And I feel, I don't know why, but I feel really confident that he can be a high-end role player at his peak one day.

But very worst because the case scenario, he should be a solid role player. But I want to go out and let me say high end This is a guy that's like impossible to tell Because when it's young guys like this All you can go off of is what they can be with the raw tools And you have no idea if it'll like really polish it or something or not So literally all we can think of is optimism right

Like how could we possibly like You know he's raw You know he has to develop like how could we possibly be like I don't think you will Is this Bruno Cabocalo type timing or what It could be Or it could be Jalen Brown type timing I don't know like so that evolves rapidly

So like who's bad comparison because Jaylon Brown was a much higher prospect and good off the bat but you know somebody who continued to get better yeah I guess we can go high in starter I don't even know like defensively I think he has the tools to be good one day we'll see he has a length to be a good finisher at the rim we'll see if the shooting comes around I don't know what to tell if you will or not the potential is there that's all that's all that matters at that point at this point in time right now I'm going benchwormers I'm going bencher I'm going to go bencher there's there's a couple

things working against him one obviously he's on the wizards two true um and and i'm i'm like i say that jokingly but i but honestly not jokingly just because you have not seen washington be able to develop players like that like john wall's been able to come in was the number that was the number one pick in the draft bradley be able to come in he was the number three pick in the draft but in terms of taking somebody that is as raw as below is and saying okay this is like you're going to do this you can do this and we're going to build you up to be this very very good player they don't have a great track record of that and so that actually like is working against them in their favor and I'm starting to I don't I don't know man I'm starting to feel very weird about a lot of these like guards

that are projects that are they have all the tools but I feel like in I feel like below might be the kind of guy we're in three years and again all of this is just like you're you're just picking aside but i i can definitely see him in three years being like okay well he's starting to pass better and like the defense is coming in but like if he can take his room scoring to the next level then we can see it there's so many things that he has to get good at to where i'm not sure if all of those things are going to be put together to where he can become a high-end starter so that's what you know what this is you know what this is you are scarred I knew what I was going to say the same thing.

Frank Nigelina, he's in your mind right now. Not at all. Not at all. And I knew, you see a French prospect and you're like, ah! I knew somebody who's going to come in here and be like, hey, the very raw 6-5 French point guard, very raw 6-5 point guard, oh yeah, let's make that comparison. That's not even the case. It's just, we've seen plenty of athletic guards or very toolsy guards come into the league. And we're seeing it with Scoot Henderson.

School Henderson is a guy who had all the athletic chops, and now we're trying to see him, you know, put everything together. And I have questions about School Henderson, and I also have questions about Bilal, so I'll put him in benchwormer. Okay, I guess I don't have a really much of opinion, so I split the difference. We'll go solid role player. Solid role player is cool.

Okay. Just to be optimistic with the raw guy. It's fine. But, you know, listen, it's a coin flip, and there's a very good chance you're right, Donovan. It's just, do you want to be, that's Cam Whitmore to kill? It's the guy on the red to the left of him. Yes, there we go.

Woo! Get a round of applause. Yeah, man. Yeah, it just comes down to, do you want to be pessimistic or optimistic? I have no read on it yet. I think I've heard lots of people are high on him. I hope it becomes the case. It's one of those question arcs, so you just don't know.

It's a coin flip. It's literally gambling, bro, when it comes. players like him. And I'm betting against the Wizards every time. I'm talking to that right now. It's a good hand. Yeah, exactly. Let's go to somebody that, let's go to the other block club, apparently.

Let's go to Cam Whitmore. Where are you putting Cam Whitmore? I saw, I like what I've seen from Cam this year a lot. More than I expected to, given, you know, he fell in the draft for like health reasons, but he's expected to be a top, like, six pick before that. I was like, didn't know what to think because of the fact that he fell and we really didn't get a good reporting on why. we thought it we think his health but that never came out concretely so maybe he was just like had red flags

we don't really know for sure left me with feeling like a mixed bag not knowing what to expect especially in that crowded rockets rotation and I don't know if he get playing time like that he's gotten it he's been a really good really promising score kind of a black hole doesn't pass the ball but he's a wrecking ball going in the rim and that is why he will be a solid role player if he could what if he can't listen the people players who are black hole you don't learn that that's innate right you you are born to be a black hole you are born as a guy who's like hey i'm going to get mine and i'm getting my buckets and that's it and i think that's gonna if he can if he can expand his playmaking then he can become a high-end starter i have a little

bit of doubt about that but he can definitely be a solid role player and even if he's a solid role player that doesn't mean that he can't ever start for for for certain teams i think that there will be teams where cam went more can go to and be a starter but on like a championship team he probably might be a six met i think for cam will he's more potential i see him and it could either go one or two ways there's no one between because players of his caliber each of you have to be that guy or you're the you're the guy who keeps that guy's bench one warm on the bench row. So when I see Cam, when we're worried, I see like, damn, this motherfucker just like, Jalen Brown? Or what? This is so unforeseen because when I was

watching him coming out of Villanova, there was like, the shooting was a, eh, was a worry for me and the creation was, or the ways he did create was just awful like pure athleticism and shit like that in the NBA. You can only get away with that for so long. You need to have other things to counters basically to go ahead and get to your spots and the athleticism is there he swear the houston rockets have like three one percent athletes on their team which is just absolutely insane and he's one of them and so when i see cam i think he's either going to be he could either have like high-end all-star or all-star high-end role player or he's going to be just a solid role player who comes in gets his buckets off once in a while and that's it and that's how i see him

I think he could be an all-star. I think he had the choose to the score. I want to go high-end starter because mostly I'm not... Defensive issues are the big thing for me. Not issues, because I just shouldn't say it's a red flag yet, but I haven't seen high-end defense from him yet. If that comes around,

I think he's going to be a legit great score. And not in... I say he's a black hole now just because he's a rookie. Like, I use that in a very, like, hyperbolic way. I wasn't trying to say it's like a defining trade of his. But I'm just saying, like, for the role he's asked his team, he comes in and he gets his. Like, he comes in and immediately.

Lee is a fucking spark plug. I don't necessarily view that in like a Cam Thomas way where I think he's like incapable of playing team ball and will never be a passer. I don't think it's like a detrimental flaw like I do think it is with Cam Thomas. There's a world of Camber comes an all-star if he gets the right usage, I think.

I feel safe saying he'll be at least a high-end starter. Love Cam Thomas. We need more guys like that. We need more guys like Camp Thomas. Oh, sick. Or like, they're dope. Professional scores. We need to bring those those back in the NBA. but um i don't know i i see oh yeah they did fight in this game they did fight

forgot about that dude yeah yeah no that's yeah but yeah solid solid role player i i can i can if we want to go high-end starter i'm good with that see there we go yeah the thing about cam is just like he just has one of those things where like no one can stay in of him and he's so fucking strong and explosive and also the three point shot is there and having the combination of both of those things it's just so hard for you to not reach all-star status so 38% on three this year yeah 58% at the rim which is an elite but he's a rookie you know I think you see enough flashes that you don't got to buy into that being like an actual weakness of his because that's not a great percentage but like you said you see the insane

athleticism, the build. He's already has a strong build that you can see growing into more muscle. He's a stocky guy. I think that athleticism will be an advantage of his. He is strong. He is strong. Strong as hell. Yeah, I'm cool with high-end starter. All right, cool. Next one. Let's stick with his teammate.

I'm Ann Thompson. We have, listen, I'm not a big draft guy. I don't watch college basketball. I do my due diligence and research coming into the process, right, and finding out the guys I like and learning a enough I need to, so I go into the season having a baseline of what to expect. As soon as I put on that, motherfucking OTE footage, I was like, oh,

Man Thompson is my guy in this draft. So I've come into the season, expecting him to be great, expecting him to be a star. I'm really not disappointed. He's an all-star. I mean, as a-of- Okay. Like, plain, let's go. Let's go. And I, Mo, if you have anything else to say, that is not All-Star, we're just going to

have to skip you. There's no, there's no debate. Like, he's, he's that good. You got a zip. Why can't he be, like, a high-end role player? What's wrong with that? He can. I mean, I guess I'll give a more in-depth version of what I think than you can go.

Tell me what you think. Right now, he is Uber athletic, one percentile athlete. The way he moves the ball in his hands, without the ball in his hands, offensively and defensively, his lateral quickness, his straight line speed first step. Top tier, truly. He, elite defender, just like Asar Thompson, incredible defensive playmaker. The IQ is outrageous. The difference between him and the SAR, they both can't shoot.

the same thing there. He is a much better passer, I think. He hasn't been able to show it this year because he's basically been playing power forward with Fred Van Vleet being the point guard there. He hasn't really played a lick of point guard. He's basically been serving as a four or five on offense, sitting in the dunker spot, cleaning up, you know, offensive rebounds, really doing the dirty work stuff. And he still managed to be incredible. He's been one of the best rebounders on the team, legit good ribbon finisher. But the problem for me is why if he becomes a high-end starter like you said, it's because the two things. The three-point shot doesn't come around, which I think it might not. I'm not sure about that. But second,

the more important swing factor is his handle right now it's not good and that's a big factor of why he isn't playing point guard as like even on the backup sense really can't create a lot of advantages right now consistently against elite defenders because it handles too loose but i have faith that'll improve yeah and if it does he's amazing okay that's fair if it if it improves i wonder how much it can improve like that's the difference to me and that's why i feel like it's a lot safer if he's a high-end role player because just as more opportunities go go go by Why for him on the Houston Rock, it just means, like, friendly ages out

and they start to prioritize and graduate the younger guys. Like, he just naturally, without the scoring, is one of the more impactful basketball players on the court at all time. So you have no choice but to be, like, a high-end role player to me. The All-Star talk is just like,

or you have to be shooting like 35% from the three-point line, 36. You know what I'm saying? I just generally don't know if he'll ever get to that point. Yeah. That's the only thing. I don't know if you just,

I think he has to be a great shooter. Obviously, like you said, it's got to be competent. Like, he has to be to make an open shot at that level. I think he can just do worse overall from three. If he can really be an advantage creator with his handle and create a lot of room pressure with that athleticism, I think he can be like supercharged, super soldier serum, Rajan Rondo. Now, he's not a basketball genius like Rondo,

but he's an elite passer, I think, eventually, like in that same type of role where he can create pressure at the rim and kick out the shooters, almost like a, you know, JV version of John Morant, because John Moran can shoot and is a little more dynamic at the rim. if he can do all that he can be like a shorter ben simmons type and be an all-star i think without a shot yeah i just there's just so there's just so many other things that he does well and there's so many other tools that he has in his bag to where when he gets into a situation

that starts prioritizing him i just don't see it going the wrong way right like he's going to be great and he's he's he's going to be in all at least one there's there's going to be at least one year where he is an all-star and I will I will bet anything on that like he's he's actually maybe not but like he's I'm like 95% sure but he is he is going to be that good it's a good bet to bet on players to impact the game in this many ways yeah it's very Ben Simmons-esque facts okay so you're with us all-star no still no I'm not I'm not I'm going to put an high-end role player because I think it's even better role player Not starter?

Yeah, high-end role player for me personally. Well, we have solid role player and high-end starter. Which one do you mean? Oh, high-end starter. That's what I meant. High-end starter for sure, personally. Just because it's a more sure-fire bet. Yeah, I'd rather lean towards it.

You're all voted. Ha-ha! Get fucked. Go to hell. I'll see y'all in three years. Four years. Now, honestly, this is one that I won't be shocked if you're right. You know, because like I said,

there's two big swing factors there that can go either way, I'm just choosing to believe in all the strengths and at least one of those swing factors to come around. He doesn't got to be an elite dribbler or an elite shooter, or it doesn't have to be both, just got to be one. And I'd rather take those odds because the upside's our reason. I think he has to be a little bit of both. That's why it's to be a superstar, sure.

To be an all-star. Oh, a little bit of both, sure. Yeah, he can be passable at both, which I think is also possible. I hope you guys are right. What do you guys want to go with Case and Wallace? he's a great high-end starter he could be that could be high-in star okay could he has everything in his game shooting is there he's a big physical two guard can play offball like a motherfucker understands the system already he's already an integral piece to okay see what they do

he's a part of the josh giddy insurance uh policy that's going on in okay see right now i think he'd be a high end starter worst case scenario solid role player okay i'm fine with I agree with you on everything that you said about him. If he has everything in his bag, can you explain to me why he wouldn't be an all-star? I mean, he could. He's a Kentucky guard. I'm not going against the law.

Like, if you look, man, I don't know what's going on over there in Kentucky and what type of deal they have with Adam Silver, but it might be written that he might be an all-star Donovan. So I'm not going to go over here and argue you're going to see with this. The only thing I'll say is that I don't know if I have the opportunity to be that in OKC. which is like a huge factor in terms of it's like talking about and labeling these players.

So that's why I'm like, not giving him that title. The reason why is because he just hasn't, he's been very much a catch and shoot guy. 81% of his shots are assisted this year. Massive amount, right? He's incredibly efficient. He shoots 60% on twos and 41% from threes. But he's what people think Chet is

where he just gets spoon fed by the guards on the team. He just plays his role, right? He's a bench guy, rookie. He doesn't have a lot of utility with the ball in his hands. So we just haven't seen him show those flashes that way we can be excited and think that he could be a self-created guard enough

to be an all-star and not to say it can happen like Mo said you want to pick Kentucky guards pretty safe bets usually it's just

you know it would just be they have another Kentucky guard on the on the roster that's already all NBA yeah true yeah so he definitely could if that comes around

it's just we've kind of got to see you first I think it's all about opportunity in these conversations too which we cannot like underrest the man so far I feel like he's the first player where it's like, oh, I'm not sure if he'll really have that opportunity

throughout his entire career with OKCU, assuming he stays there. Yeah, sure. He could eventually, right? He's a rookie, right? But right now he's used more like Louart than he is Jdub, I think. Yeah, that's fair. For sure. But will I be shocked if he comes an all-star or no?

I'll be kind of shocked just a little bit. I'll be shocked. Oh, sure. I guess, but I, listen, like you say, how can you be shocked with a Kentucky guard? Also, the size. He's not very big and not very bouncy. so he he has to be like a really great off the dribble shooter I think

to be an all-star almost like a little less shifty a little stronger Emmanuel quickly shout out that's a lot to ask for it is that's why I think he's a high end starter but like that would have to be the route would be off the dribble shooting

yeah yeah I just don't see an all-star for him me neither he's not fast like maxi he's not shifting like quickly yeah he's not bouncy at the rim like Deerran like you know like yeah lifelong elite two guard playing off

ball, I think. Yeah, like, is he ever, and that's, that's something, honestly that we probably got to, you know, think about for the rest of this list is like, when we talk about all-star, are they ever going to be one of the 12 best players in the conference with as loaded? Like, think about the West right now and how many, how many All-Stars got left off the list this year? Like, is Case in Wallace ever going to be at that level? No.

We got to start laying down the hammer in this bitch is what you're telling me, Donovan. Yeah. No, he's right, though. We have a very, not just us, but the world. has a big tendency to be optimistic with rookies because there's so much time for them to get better and like why not like we saw with Josh Kitty last year

but quickly if the circumstance changes we look at them a lot more harsh so we gotta try not to be too optimistic with these guys time to hate which is gonna get people to yell at us because everybody's optimistic about their rookie on their team so we're gonna piss off some fans

if we start being a little more strict Kobe Buffkin all-star he's not on this list because I don't know what damn thing about Kobe Buffer I'm not gonna lie I have learned nothing about him this year. You have no reason to watch the Hawks. I don't blame you.

Just know that he's... I've watched the Hawks plenty early in the year. I just still feel like I don't know anything about Kobe Buffkin. Yeah, anytime you watch him, he literally doesn't play. He's been in the G League for most of the season. So don't blame you. Okay, let's put him a high-end starter for Cason Wallace. Is it Cason or Cason?

I feel like I've heard both. I think it's Cason. I think it's Cason Wallace. Yeah. I'm not sure. On this part, I called his ass Carson, so don't ask me, boy. I didn't want to correct you But somebody in the comments got mad at you

I'm sure you saw Yeah How many players were you in For a 12 Oh 10 10 And okay let's do one more Then we're gonna take a quick break

Next player Trying to save some good ones For the second half Let's do Grady Dick Hmm Great player man Nekiel Producer Nikiel's over here

Smile like shit Brother you will never beat Those allegations against you early in the year early in the year Grady Dick was on bust watch he was not looking good he wasn't able to shoot at all

for a prospect that was drafted exclusively for a shooting had a better stretch second half of the season he's raptors fans will tell you he's looking a little more like a player that can have utility one day not just full on bust I it really comes down to he's he going to be a great shooter

because he has to be right he's not going to profile as really much of else he's exactly who he is I think at best solid role player, right? At best. And I'm going to go bench warmer. Wow. Have you seen him enough to feel pessimistic about parts of his game?

Um, I think it's the question, like you said, just about his shooting. It's like when people are drafted for a certain skill and then that certain skill is not like what they're great at. I don't feel great about, about them. And for, I don't, I don't, saw, he's not 37% overall now. As, that's fine. He's had, he's had a kind of down month, right?

Like, I, and we can say this, you know, I'm between, oh, wow. He actually had a good game tonight. He went off today. Okay, whatever. I mean, yeah, he has, he's had, he's had a, he's had a, he's had a, an up and down march i'm i guess i have to see next year to like really really lock it in because i want to see how consistent his shooting is but i'm not too like excited about what i've seen from great i me either i think i go ahead i think it's clear he can be a good three-point

shooter from the up and down we've seen the form is good the way he gets the shots he in rhythm he can move off ball and be on moving shooter a little bit 37 percent isn't terrible despite the up and downness, like you said, Donovan. I feel confident he'll be a good shooter. But I don't feel confident he can be much of else. I haven't seen defensive flashes. Obviously, no passing flashes, driving to the ram. He's a rookie.

He said, no, that we expect a ton of it. I don't feel encouraged he'll be above average than any of those things. Yeah. He's a very one-dimensional player in terms of, like, his offense. He's just there to shoot. Don't fucking accept him to attack them or whatever. What makes the Raptors excited about him is his, his movement shooting which is just like it brings another level of difficulty to guarding the

offense over the last 23 games he's been shooting like 40% from three and he's putting up like five threes a game or so and so like that is his potential that is his ceiling I don't think raptors fans expect him to you know like start breaking shit down off the bounce or whatever I don't think that's his game and this is his sole purpose you know what I'm saying just spread the floor, confused defenses, and run a lot on offense, bro. So I think that's solid role player. All right, real quick, if we can bet the doubt. This, I have to make fun of this tweet.

This is one of this, this stat is actually very, very stupid of Grady Dick has made 64 3s this season, the most by a Raptors rookie since 2019, 2020. That is disgusting. Please, please, please stop. Shame on you, bro. Who the hell? did that man you're so down bad who were the last few

raptor rookies to go ahead and do that shit come on precious a chula who also they fucking draft their past scotty barnes of course bro uh this is just who's their 2020 rookie that hit a lot of threes that fucking malachi Flynn that's so down bad bro

damn all right let's go solid role player assuming this shot is around he can be at utility also go back to the trailer so quick should we I feel like because we're gonna be rather generous a lot of these.

I feel like benchwormer and bust might be the same thing. Maybe we should delete one of them and just have one negative one. Because what's the difference? Bench warmer just means like good vibes. Do you want to just get rid of bust? Yeah, get rid of bust.

We're not going to call these guys a bust. You can just delete it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, so let's go solid role player for Grady Dick. Okay. I think of a bus would have to mean we think these guys are at the league

and we didn't put any of the relevant players in here. so none of the bus are going to be on this list. Yeah, read the room, fellas. Right, man. We're exactly halfway through this tier list now. We're going to take a quick break and we're going to push it over to Nikiel for Producer Corner.

What you got for me, baby! All right, what you got for us, Nikil? Donovan, Isaac. How are you all doing? I'm doing here. Chillers. Fuck me, I guess. No.

Mo, ask me why I skipped you. Why did you skip me? Oh, is there brief? You know what? I'll give the viewers some context. Two weeks ago, Mo FaceTime me, right?

And he's been texting me every day ever since. We talked about in a TD3 hoops matchup. Who's winning, right? Me and Donovan versus Isaac and Mo. Moe's been harassing me. Mo was trying to stand on the fact that he thinks they would wipe us.

It wouldn't be close. And I want to wipe. No. I want to know why you think that way. Wait, wouldn't be close? That's simply not true. Yeah, and that's not to disrespect Donovan's game whatsoever. Great player.

But it's disrespect Mikhail's game. I am getting you straight. You're getting whoever offense ran on you, bro. Whoever offense. I'm having Isaac, I sold the fuck out of you. I'm not going to be like scoring you. I still like that much, but you're not scoring on me. You're getting shackled.

It's going to be Donovan's the world is insane. Listen, this is fueling me right now. this. I'm putting you in Alcatraz. I can't wait like an hour and a half for now. I'm about to get a lift in. I'm going to be replaying. I'm recording this on side. I'm going to be replaying this. I'm going to be fouling the shit out of you. I'm going to be defending you like a football player. I'm going to be throwing just straight hand checks. You're not going to like it. But you're not going to call a foul. I've seen you play defense, bro. You play like a line man. Yeah, like I'm going to just shoulder you every time. I'm just going to be

throwing a lot of chest and you're going to have to deal with it. It's not going to be legal defense, but you're not calling it in a two-on-two games. You're getting track for sure listen that's valid from you Isaac Mo screw you Donovan you talk to me bro first of all I'm trying to be calm real quick but like because I'm

I'm actually upset now let's talk about it I'm actually upset because Mo has done more damage to my image than anybody in the history of the world somebody yes today

so like Skip Bayless goes on Twitter and he posts a video of of his jumper and I quoted it and I was like oh like it took an hour or whatever to film and then somebody replied to and they were like yeah okay buddy and it was the video of me missing at all-star weekend on the street and the kid I swear to goodness if you pull it up I don't give a damn about this okay we're we're on the show somebody somebody quoted it with somebody quoted it with that video I see it like once a week now and I promise you it's not indicative of my game like that's not me

me bro you call me my worst moment and I I promise one wipe the floor is absolutely ridiculous to Isaac you can't run with in the kill the kills the kills actually like his off ball motion he you wouldn't be able to run with him I think you would get tired I'm he's gonna tire me out yeah he would I'm like Steph I trust I trust in kills I trust need kill stamina there's a comp yeah I got I got bad I got bad lung capacity so I can see that I've never seen anyone chase I never seen anyone chase on just Roberson off a screen or anything no one guards him at the three-point line like that doesn't matter yeah I also he's gonna tire me out with running I'm gonna I'm gonna make him

sore I'm gonna tire him out whoa way oh yeah my back the kill what's a producer's corner please this is it I'm gonna make him tired with physicality I'm gonna bruise him up I'm just elbows he's not gonna like it who gets the offers it doesn't matter we're getting most of it Mo is bigger than you, just as athletic. You're going to miss a shot at some point. That's not true. Mo is not, is that, bro, I've seen Donovan beat Mo. Yeah, I've seen Donovan beat Mo.

Like, the series went 2-1. I also, I wasn't there that day. I don't know. I also think that, like, out of, again, like, in two-on-two specifically in this matchup, even if the shots aren't falling, Nikiel and I would out-hustle you guys and get, like, 70% of the rebound. Like we are No, you wouldn't

You say that at you say that We're out hustling you guys None of you guys I know for sure That I have the most energy And the best stamina out of us for And you guys You guys are not

Like if a ball goes the other way You're not getting it Like I'm getting the rebounds as well For sure But I'm gonna throw a mean box out Like I'm not gonna be Just standing around doing nothing But you definitely have me on motor

I'll say that I respect I just game for sure Mo is just a tall merchant bro Listen Well He's a tall version You just think people Shorter than him

Listen which is fine But like I I feel like Donner And I could Can neutralize that somehow And listen If Isaac's gonna foul I'm gonna foul

Bro, you're getting push Mo Oh You're not You're not Listen If we go foul for foul You're cooked

Like You want me to follow you Like his me and Mo We're winning a foul battle It's my turn All right This is my corner You're not

I will Bill Lambert You into tomorrow We're going to be bench pressing each other It's going to be ridiculous If I'm being honest though Donovan I'm sorry in advance I could shoot us off the court in a bad way

You what I said I could potentially shoot us off the court in a bad way And I'm gonna let you I'm gonna do my scouting work Listen it might be scary hours in a terrible way I'm just being realistic I'm I'm telling you in pick up Like if you have

if you have more of a motor you can get wins you can like you the wins that I was getting against Mo right the last one was 100% it's just because I just washed yeah just because I just wanted

the ball more my motor's not great but in this scenario I'm gonna let Mo cook I'm not gonna be trying to fucking dribble so I'm gonna be all motor I'm gonna have all the energy to expel so I'm gonna make up for that

I'm actually I'm gonna book the fight for this weekend we're playing this weekend because I want to play Ramadan Mo You gotta hit him his low player Yeah, I play yesterday Ask BJ about me He's not like Kyrie, bro

I'm gonna make sure it's 3 o'clock and outside too Like peak heat Outside Well if it's in D.C. outside Then I'm straight Because it's cold as a bitch here So we can do that I'm gonna flash some food for you

You're not winning Wipe the floor is actually disrespectful No it's it And he's texting me about it every day bro We'll make this happen at some point But we're gonna cook You're gonna make it You can get back in the lap and start playing basketball again.

When y'all come down to Houston in July, we'll play. Yo, we're going to, you want to get cooked on your wedding day? I'm winning. We're winning. Oh, okay. We're winning. And I'll tell you that right now with a straight face. You won't beat us.

Okay, this is happening. All right. And you won't score eight points. Listen, we might have to like it. Who? You guys. The week after July 13th, we are going to have a video embedded into the pod of this game.

This is going to happen. I will edit that bitch up. I'll make a next 15. I was going to say you better put some subway servers on the side because it's going to it's going to be a lot of

English. For those who don't watch the streams, if you don't, you should. Monday, 8 p.m. Monday every 8 p.m. Eastern.

On last week's, or this past, this week's, yeah, I'm trying to think when this comes out. On this week, we do this thing on Twitter that's been viral

where people, somebody made like a doc where you can go in and put information about your game and it gives you your best NBA player comps. It's like super comprehensive. It's actually like a great list.

I don't know if you can pull it up, Nikola. I don't know if you can find it. I don't know how to send it to you. But we all did that on the stream. And Mo got Paul George slash Bogdan Bogdanovich because I actually fucked up his turnover thing. But he would have Paul George if I didn't mess that up. Donovan, who'd you get again?

I got Prime Chris Middleton. Yeah, you got 2017, 2018, Chris Middleton. So just before the title run, but still good Chris Middleton. And I got Duncan Robinson, which is incredibly generous to my experience ability. Yeah, last year's Duncan Robinson. incredibly generous my shooting ability

but I can't dribble so that's why I gave me Duncan Robinson Listen McHill Matthew Delvedova No that's Curry right there I was okay I know okay Listen we're joking

Maybe Right I mean I got the terrible ankles But I would I'm more of a dream on Like a Patrick Beverly I'm just gonna I'm gonna annoy the hell out of you man You're not gonna out dream on me

I promise It won't happen Now, listen, Isaac, I got respect for you, so I'm going to agree with you. Mo, you're getting cooked, buddy. I know your card. If you have Mo respect for my game, Mo's so much better than me. No, it comes down to sportsmanship, man. This shit means some to me.

Mo, we got the fire in you. We will see about that. I'm not chat. I'm not streaming right now. For the comments, if you didn't get to watch that stream, please go back and watch it. You can scroll through. It's towards the end of the stream.

I don't know the exact timestamp. Well, we went through all of our games and really broke them down. so you guys can get a very honest view of our games. Yeah, Nakiel pulled it up. We were all pretty honest about our strengths and weaknesses, except for Mo, who was like, I'm great at everything. I can't lie. What do you mean? You just want me sit there and be like, nah, man,

I don't think I'm that good at rebounding. I'm going to say I'm a good rebounder. Yeah, but go watch that. Mikulah was pulled up at 152 it was on. I don't know when it started, so you got to find the exact time time time when it began. Go watch that and come back to this conversation. You'll have a little more context. Facts.

I can't wait. Now let's get back to the tier list. Getting into the second half of the tier list, let's start with the most high-profile name left. Scoot Henderson. Where are we going with him? Damn. Listen, man. It is looking scary for Scoot Henderson right now. He's played better as a late right. You've seen flashes of him, you know, starting to put some stuff together. I still had faith at the beginning of the year that he was going to be an All-Star.

It's year one for a guard. I don't want to overreact. so we can go high-end starter but if we want to say solid role player I can get with that I just said I can solid role player I said I can see it

I can't see it that's extreme as fuck to me obviously he had superstar expectations coming into this draft a lot of let's say uninformed people were like maybe he's better than Wemby that was ridiculous obviously

but you know people were saying he should have went up for Brandon Miller and expecting him to be like a true star guard if you want to tell me superstar's out the winter You don't think he has the burst for that, the feel for that. I'm fine with that. I think All-Star, at least a low-level All-Star, still in play.

Bro, the first, like, six games of Trey's entire rookie season, he was a cup of bounce that ass, bro. Now, there are certain things between the two that, like, separates Trey and Scoot and all young guards across the NBA. But, like, I feel like for someone like Scoot, he just is coming into a time to where, like, the point guard pool, young point guard pool is deeper than ever and we're just used to seeing young guards come out with the wound and just like average seven assists 18 points 20 assists or 20 points five assists per

game just like that and we're seeing someone like school who's just been like just the average point guard rookie that we're used to seeing over the course of NBA history and so I want to say like he needs time of course like nothing not a lot has been there. I would say, like, his athleticism hasn't been, wasn't as advertised when he comes to coming into the NBA. The shot obviously still needs a lot of work. His finishing needs, like, some variance, of course. But I would say, like, in terms of just like, him still getting to his spots, making those

athletic finishes still, regardless of the fact that you, how a lot of people feel about it, there's still a pathway for him to become an all-star. There's a direct pathway. I, I agree. But when you say there's, we've kind of been, like, spoiled. by other guards, by the point guards who have come into the league and are instantly averaging 20 and 5, that's exactly why I'm not necessarily as high on Scoot being an all-star as I was at the beginning of the year, because those guys are going to be here to stay. Those guys are going

to be all-stars? Like, are we thinking that Scoot is going to take that much of a leap when coming into the draft? Like, his athleticism was one of like the really, really big selling points. and if that isn't obviously he's still like an amazing athlete but if it isn't like a crazy athletic profile like what we thought before do we still think that like perennial all-star ceiling is still there that's what I'm unsure about right now yeah I think superstar ceiling isn't there because he's not Russell Westbrook as an athlete and that was a comparison from made which in hindsight was a very lazy comparison right because he's just because

he's athletic and he's not that type of like one of the best athletes of all time prospect. And that eliminates Superstar ceiling for me. But his biggest issue right now is processing time. One of the most important things for a lead guard or really any NBA player is how fast can you process defensive coverages and make the right play, right? If he runs a pick and roll and they show help and come and slide over to the big man, leave the corner open and then rotate back, how fast can you either make the corner shooter pass there before they come back, hit the big man, decide to make the pull-up shot, you know, all the options at your disposal on any given play, how fast can you process what the right move is

and make it with the right technique to do it efficiently every time he's struggling with that most young point guards do you said you've seen a lot of guys do it recently that have done it well so you're thinking like why isn't any one of them those guys aren't I don't think

they're the new standard right not everybody's Luca not everybody's Trey Young I don't know who else falls in that category but guys that were like stars by year two or so Lamello maybe sure

I don't know whatever Trey Young and Luka are really the outliers here. Those are just two of the best guard prospects you've ever seen from young players in terms of offensive players and being able to be playmakers from day one. They're just all-time level.

So not everybody's going to be that. That's not going to be the new normal that we see forever. Think question. It was just flashing a pan. Then question. Do you think that in two years he can be as good as Darius Garland is?

That's tough. I think I will say, yeah. Darius Garland was legitimately one of the worst players his first year of the NBA. For similar reasons Similar reasons But the difference there is

He profiled as a good shooter one day Which can make you have You know You feel good about that still While Scoot's archetype is more A driving aspect So you don't necessarily have the idea Of him being a great shooter to fall back on

But I don't know also I also don't think he's gonna be Like a non-shooter forever you know Yeah exactly His shot hasn't I mean back in the G League Ignite when that was a thing Before just fell on his head

He was RIP Growing as a shooter still He was just he wasn't like and non-shooter at all. No one treated him like he was, I don't know, some random non-shooter out there. But I feel comfortable with saying

he could be at very least a high-level starter, high-level role player. Yeah, high-end starters, the floor for me, I think. I still think once he gets used to the game, the driving ability we saw in the G-League can come back. He can be an advantage creator. The passing chops were there. You saw the idea of somebody who has the IQ

to keep the ball moving and make plays happen. That can be there. if the shooting and rim finishing scoring Scoring is really bad that comes along right He's one of the worst scorers in the NBA right now He's honestly one of the worst scores of all time In the modern NBA All his shooting splits are fucking horrendous

It's truly terrible But we also haven't seen him have as much playmaking duties With Anthony Simons and Brogden there They have a lot of guards there That are taking up a lot of usage So I think in a different world Where he has more of a playmaking load He could have developed that a little bit more

And we'd see a little more passing chops That could give us a reason to be out of mystic more But I don't know The scoring is an issue So I understand if you don't want to go All-Star yeah i feel like when you think of like guards like him you have to be a lead at at least like two things in order for you to be an all-star level you know like the finishing i think that that could be very well there but on top of the finishing as well like are you going

to be like just one of the greatest finishes of all time at your position like a la jama rant people would say like i don't see that you know that's why i'm like i feel much better with him being a high-end role player compared to like a all-star level guy, you know? And the shooting, I just don't, I just don't ever think he'll project to being a 40% three-point shooter or anything like that because that's just simply not his back. That's not what he was drafted to be. And then on top of that, another layer behind this conversation is that I don't think he's in the absolute best position to go ahead and like, you know, have the opportunity to do those things because Anthony Simons is there and also Sharp is there as well. And those two guards

are already here right now. So it's hard to justify giving him opportunity on a good basis. They won't be forever. So it's hard. They won't be forever. They'll break them up eventually. They got to be sooner later because the situation is not looking too bright yet. You guys convince me. I'll go high level started with Scoot. Okay. High level started is. And this is, I think we're just doing high-level starter because we should be, listen, we can't be saying everybody's been an all-star because they have a young player potential still. You've got to be a little conservative. I think that's fine.

I will say if he's not a high-level starter, then he's going to be a benchwarmer. Like there's no in-between, in my opinion. Yeah, that makes sense. Either he fixes it and he gets back to being a high-level prospect and he can maybe be an all-star, or he never fixes it and he's just a gigantic bust. Gigantic bust, and you might be doing DoorDash and Uber Eats. It's one of those two. All right. Next up, let's go

the youngest player in the NBA. G.G. Jackson. Great player, I think. A lot of potential there because he's so young and so raw and has these flashes already of being a guy who's going to be a legitimately good shooter with that size can attack the rim a little bit.

Has the size of a good defender one day. We'll see how that develops. There's a pretty high ceiling there, especially when you factor in the age. I agree. But I'm still going to go solid role player. I am very confident in high-end starter He's 19 and already has flashes like this

This is a fantastic situation for him To go ahead and thrive as a high-end starter, bro I think he's gonna be a legit great offensive player I think he'll be like Trying to think of a comparison Someone who's more than three Indian offense Because they can attack close outs And really create shots themselves at the rim

I don't know I can't I'm blank on who that may be I don't know if the D part of that I come around TBD I don't know that it won't either But I think he has self-creation chops that makes him at minimum a high-level starter. 2017 Harrison Barnes. Disrespectful. The least dynamic wing you could have possibly named.

Do you think he's going to have the opportunity to put that stuff to work with Jha, Desmond, and Jaron Jackson next year? Next year, I don't know if we're projecting for like the prime of their careers. I don't know if next year is the year he fully puts it together. but you just named a trio that is the perfect place for a six-nine wing to slot into. Okay, that's fair.

Can he be their MPJ essentially? Obviously a different game, like a little bit less of a spot-up shooter but more of a self-creator. Like, I think he could be their MPJ playing next to Jaron and the forward spot. I think that's a fair expectation for someone like him who's 19 years old

and he's given us no reason to not believe in that considering all the highlights that he's had over, throughout the entire course of the season, really. I love him, bro. Maybe I'm a rationally high on him, but I think I'm being calm with my expectations, but I think there is an immense ceiling there. Yeah, I'll say this. Every draft class has guys that surprise you that aren't in the top of their class

and they come out and are like, oh, God, is this guy a building block? Is he going to be like a star one day? Every draft class has them. Don't be surprised if it ends up being Gigi Jackson. Yeah, that's okay. I think now that we're in the second half of this tier list, I'm trying to be a little bit more pessimistic because I'm like, all right, now all these guys are going to be high-end star.

or stuff like that. I'm just trying to pick my spots. I just think that for somebody like that to fit in, and I like to fit in with what the Grizzlies are going to be doing, like they're going to be in win now mode. And so like the development of 20-year-old Gigi Jackson isn't going to be the number one thing on their agenda. So that's why I'm like these next two, three years,

whenever you are so young and you are still kind of forming who you are in the NBA, are you going to have the full opportunity like you have this year where he can be. do whatever he wants, right? He has all the room in the world to mess up, to grow, to gain experience. Next year, hey, we're, we got to get to the conference finals, right? We have all these guys together right now, what is happening. And so how does Gigi fit into that rather than how do we make sure that Gigi is like growing and doing all that type of stuff? So that's, that's why I'm a little bit more hesitant to put him there. I think the Grizzlies have shown to be a really

great team for developing young players. Like, Desmond, we're talking about Desmond Bain as a core that doesn't bain was with the 27 pick he wasn't a given to be in that rotation he just like earned the role and they developed him and put the position to succeed based on his talents i trust them to get the most other players but now they have two guys like that like they would develop they were developing bane when they had like you know like very very early on but now that you have your core and you're trying to fill in everything else around it that's a little bit different than when you're trying to like build your core yeah well listen they they have yokech and jemal murray they still need a kCP they still need to prioritize somebody that can be there and fill

spot and be a high level starter. I think the similar thing with him where whether he has the usage to be like a star, I'm not necessarily saying that, but I think he'll slot in there and be a very important part of that team. Donovan's right. The leash is definitely like shorter like for him to go ahead

and like there's not going to be much trial or error next season when they're actually trying to like, you know, do something special, which is go to the conference finals or win a championship or whatever. But with that being said, I don't think especially next season and going forward for the rest of his career,

He's not going to be, like, the reason why they don't, you know. He's not going to be the reason why they win or don't win a championship. That's not what you ask someone like, G.G. Jackson. Oh, but maybe you could be. Listen, you have that treat of role players to be it. But no, no, I don't necessarily think it can be. But, you know, you have this street of the guys, right? You're not going to have a ton of avenues to succeed.

I mean, to improve your roster going forward. Like, maybe they have one more big trading them to get a big to fit their full-time starter. But after that, you've got to pay all these guys. you're not going to be a cap space team you're going to be a team of a high draft pick every year you're not going to be able to have the chance

to bring in really dynamic talent having a guy like this that's this young and fell in the draft because he was so young and struggling in college but clearly always said the talent to be a top of group

this is the exact type of swing player that can make a young core become like incredible yeah definitely listen we're gonna we're gonna have to see especially because Memphis has

they're probably going to have a high draft pick again this year not you know because they suck so you're adding another young body into the mix and let's say that whoever they draft comes in and is immediately impactful might move Gigi out the out of the rotation we'll see I don't think his spot in the rotation is a lock right it probably is right like he you know he's going into into year two and has definitely earned the opportunity to like go into camp as one of their rotation guys but

he's still going to have a lot to prove next year whenever they're they're fighting for for, you know, top status in the West. For sure. But the thing is, like I said, next year isn't even like the end-all because he's so young. He's still four years away from being like a solidified version

of who it will be. Yeah. 19-year-old is ridiculous. Yeah. Like, the opportunity is there for him. They just, there, I think a lot of Griese fans are coming to the point

to where they're giving up on Zaire Williams, who was their lottery big just a couple of years ago. Yeah, he reeks. And so now they're on to the next and they're on Vince Williams timing slash Gigi Jackson timing

so the opportunity will be It's such a funny word It's so disrespectful It's the truth, bro I had our expectations for him, bro They're gonna be so good next year I can't wait I'm buying so much grizzly stock

Yeah I'm projecting to be the two seed next year Get ready for it I'm already, huh? Yeah, I'm with it This is why we call you a munch And you wonder why, bro Nobody calls me a grizzlies munch

Just a munch in general Like you're just everywhere Nobody calls me a munch but you No people should we start calling you a munch You have a jersey bro That didn't come from me either From you All right

All right where are we put in Gigi High little starter High level sure Yeah I'm fine with that If he's an elite shooter With that much length He has to be a high level starter He's just that valuable already

Okay let's move to somebody That we can project a little lower So Donovan doesn't get Cole Anthony positivity congratulations that's a coli col anthony bozo anthony black there we're putting anthony black it's looking real benchwormers first and foremost you just want to put somebody we have to one of these guys one of these guys is going to be a bench warmer okay we have like 20 guys on this list not all of them are going to be solid role playing marcus sasser is going to be a

bench warmer put marcus sasser and bench warmer see that's disrespectful to mark Anthony Black might not. Anthony Black, I think he might have to be on that range, too. No, I think I think about, okay, the one I think is actually a bench warmer is probably Trace Jackson Davis. Yes. Ah, really? I agree.

He doesn't. Uh-uh, I disagree with that. He doesn't shoot pass or defend the room. Okay, that's where you got it wrong. He has passing chops. He just hasn't had that opportunity to show so, to show Ford in Golden State. I've been watching him two years in Indiana, and he did. Yeah, I know.

It sounds. I forget you tapped in the Indiana basketball. Yeah, exactly. Trace Jackson is genuinely like that. Opportunity just isn't there because it's like, why the fuck we get the ball and have this 22-year-old, 23-year-old rookie, why would it run place to him? Just doesn't make any sense, you know?

But once he does start to get shine and Kavanaughn Lilley efficiently phases out of that, I think you'll realize the finishing, Uber important, and also similar things as like Derek lively in terms of this, like him being an extra an extra piece offensively when it comes to his passing and allowing that connectivity being like that's uber valuable when he has that into his game will he have a chance to do that in golden state i don't know fucking seven five wingspan great defender i don't really see that for trace and he could be a good defender but that's why i'm putting him like trace is fine he's also playing on a team that has a very like deep need

for for bigs and so like with draymond going in and out and getting ejected in in you know four minutes or whatever and kavana like there's there's definitely been times for trace to to really step up obviously like everyone talks about like the war system and being kind of complex when it's when you first get into it and then after like you need time to really adjust to it but i don't i don't i just don't i just don't don't don't see it with him as like a solid role player. Given 33 minutes today against Orlando Magic, he put up 8 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists.

The vision is there. You guys just don't see it, brothers. But it's okay. You just said that out loud like it all supposed to be like blown away. Is it not a good game by a rookie? He will be a bench warmer? This is not bench warmer productivity right here. What are you talking about?

It's a good game. It's 8.14. It's fine. It's cool. It's a good game. The 14 is nice. Listen, it's 33 minutes You're acting like this is like in 12 minutes

I'm supposed to be like whoa The permanent deficiency Another thing that's very important To talk about this conversation With Donovan alluded to just a little bit Is like he hasn't been given the opportunity Obviously because Steve Kerr just has no Vision for role player

Young players specifically at all And I think as time goes on for you guys You'll start to realize oh shit This dude is kind of he's he's an offensive He's a punch he's like a force Whenever he's driving to the room and he can do a lot of very necessary things. I'll say this.

I don't even think he's bad. I'm just trying to find somebody who can be benchwormer. I don't even think he's not the guy. Fuck that. I'll say also, if we're talking about like long-term people's careers. Everybody, everybody in that building in San Francisco is a Steph Curry merchant. And I would love to see what they all look like the moment he's not there.

Let me see what Trace looks like in four years whenever Steph is not. Curry, right? Because then it's going to get real scary. And you might feel a little bit different about him, right? So I don't know. We can't, again, we can't put everybody in a high level starter. I have someone who's even worse than him, all right? And it's, I don't think he can be a benchmarking. I just think that's the wrong decision. And we're just looking for a guy to place there. Yeah, we are looking. Sorry, Trace, you're the guy. Sorry, do me wrong. The The Warriors need you right now. Go ahead, step it up.

Also, bench warmer doesn't mean, like, awful. It just means they're not going to be, like, you know, like a starter. Like, they're going to be, like, just a back-end rotation guy. Fuck that. Doesn't mean they're out of the league. Special. You love this guy. I didn't even realize, Jesus.

He's a great player, man. I have my time invested into him. I've seen him playing in person in person multiple times. I thought he was going to be fucking ass, bro. To be honest with you, before this season started. Well, not, not before this season started. But throughout college, I was like, damn, I don't really see it. And then I saw things like him dribbling the ball and fucking transition.

Ain't nobody talk about that. But that shit is there. No one talks about it because he's fucking TJD and you played in Indiana or whatever. You can have it. I don't even think anything negative about him. I'm whatever. You can have it. I don't think anything negative.

I don't think it would be a great room protector ever, which really limits his ceiling. I think at best it can be fine defensively. You guys will wait and see. You are. So you are weirdly attached to this guy What did I say, man? We're going to see. He's going to decimate the Lakers

on a random Thursday night You're going to be in shambles Listen, a lot of benchformers randomly decimate my team It happens You're right Oh my goodness Multiple tweets about this guy

Yeah, you might be the bigger much here, Jesus No, I'm not Don't ever call me much No I'm not No I'm not I'm a solid role player You got it You got a guy on this list

you can have it. Back to the tier list. Back to the tier list. Damn. Okay, I get it. I'm Indiana. Can we put Anthony Black in Bent swimmer? Can we put Anthony Black in Bent swimmer?

No, I think like is good. Why are you just throwing straight at him? This is peak TD theory right here. We're arguing who's going to be a Benzormer right now. He's a black is good. Ha! What, okay, why, why does Anthony Black not deserve to be in Ben Swarmer? Like, I see it.

on multiple levels. What are you saying? Why are you even riding off Anthony Black? Anthony Black has done nothing wrong. Anthony Black is an off guard. They're basically being a 3-and-D guy who is a big guard. Profiles to be a good defender. He's shopped decently well.

Like, I don't know what. Fucking 3-D. He's the fakesest 3-and-D guy ever. He's not a 3-&D guy for his phone. He's, okay, so look, he's, I'll give him this. He is, like, very active. Like, he has, he has good hands. Like, when it comes to, like, steals and blocks.

He profiles well there And so I'll give you that But no man He is a fake 3 and D guy And I just I don't If he's a rookie I'm not saying he's an elite shooter right now He's never

He's shooting has never been his bag When he was in college And it's still not in his back now And it's just exposed even worse Because he's in Orlando I think what makes it worse for him Is like I see him in Orlando And that team just doesn't need his archetype

You know it's the worst situation for him So I see that And then I see the genuine whole genuine holes in his game that's just hard to protect him to be successful in the league unless a team is like perfectly catered towards him and they just have like five out spacing type shit everywhere and I just don't see it yet what do you mean he's not fucking job why he's he can't shoot what do you mean he's not some liability they're not treating like a sara thompson what are you talking about he can't shoot out look at the percentages he's been

completely fine what do you mean he has been a perfectly fine member of the road He's a good player, but in terms of, like, projecting his potential. This is crazy hating. I'm not crazy hating, bro. I love the Orlando magic, but he just isn't a part of the future just yet. He's just 42% on corner threes. Nice. I don't know how many attempts.

It's congratulations. How many per game? I'm trying to yourself on per game. Okay, that's a stretch. I don't want you to look for that. Okay, it's okay. No, I'm trying to see what his per game is instead of total because I was on cleaning the glasses. Per game is probably disgusting.

he shoots 1.4 attempts for game in 17 minutes so like no what's what's per 36 minutes that's 2.9 3.10s for 36 minutes which obviously isn't a high volume but like I don't think he's been a negative spacer out there where to the point where it's damaging is not Markle Foltz Markle Foltz no bro I watch him and I'm just like that this is this is and the Anthony Black is I'm I'm sorry I'm gonna have to play it got to play the you just gotta be someone when I watch him i am not impressed i don't this is hilarious he doesn't pass the eye test i'm sorry i don't know he's a rookie playing like fifth sixth option every time he's on the court like of course doesn't pass some crazy eye test hey man it's so for me i don't know i don't know what to tell you we're just hating to find someone to hate i'll fuck it by black and benchovers yeah just because he's on the orlando magic like he's shooting no you no i don't want to hear from you you just want to do this because we thought it was going to be traced you're just trying to find somebody

to direct attention no i'm not it because It could be someone else on the list, too, but maybe you're right. T.J.D. is, I'll protect him, bro. What can I say, but you just put your sights on somebody else. You're like, not my baby. And you pick Anthony Black. I'm just saying, Anthony Black's a better candidate to put on that benchwomer tier, on that benchfomer tier compared to TJD, for sure.

Without a doubt. I don't, again, I don't think either of them have to benchwomers, so I'm not trying to down. I don't really give a shit about TJD in comparison. But I think Anthony Black will be a fine player. But go ahead, put him benchwomers, whatever. If you put them on, like, if you put on, like, If you put them on, like, any other team in the league, I could see, like, solid role player, but the team just doesn't make sense.

It's like, he won't be like, why. He won't be a bench warmer, but he'll be a bench guy. Solid role player is like, they're like a backup. They're good players. Is that what that is? Yeah, like they can be a backup. They can be a six, seven-man. Bench-womber is fine.

Whatever. Next player. We've spent too much time trying to find the benchworm. You all can have it so we can move on and be objective. Sorry, Anthony. A number of the fucking stupid hay Yeah And we can

Nick here we put A TJD in solid role player Next player Back to be real now We got the benchworm out of the way We can stop the witchcraft We can stop the witch hunt I try to find the benchwormer

What are we going to do with the Sarr Thompson See I hate to do this to my son But you got to go bencher No We're not putting him in benchwormer Oh my God Everybody's a benchwormer now Overcorrected

Um probably a solid role player i i'm i think that he does a lot of a lot of great things i'm very worried about his shooting moving forward um and if that never comes around then we'll get a solid role player but um but yeah right right now it's just it's just not good but he does everything else so well i just can't see him be in a high level starter if the shooting doesn't grow up can we really put him that much further below his brother though the playmaking might be the gap. It's not bad and it's not a weakness for him in my opinion at all, but when you don't do

like the most important thing on the court that well, it holds you back a little bit. But then again, while I say that he's there on the board like a motherfucker, obviously his athleticism helps him when it comes to defense all across the board. He's going to be one of the best defenders in the league. So it's like, I know, but it kind of, but his shooting is on Andre Robeson, timing. And that's what... Do you think it always will be? Huh?

I don't know. It's hard to project. It scares me. It scares me. And I'm not sure about it to be... I would love to bet on Asar Thompson if I was a GM. I would love to as well. I like Asar more in terms of just like favorite guys to watch.

I like Osar more than a man. But the shooting is just, it's undeniable. It's undeniably bad. Also, crazy move by aunt. Just like a letter pivot. Worker's ridiculous. Look at this. He kind of,

she traveled on that one. Two, three, four, five. Shut up. He traveled. Shut up. I love making it words,

but that's a travel. Shut up. I'm calling that shit right now. That's a bucket right there. That's what that is. But okay. I mean, I think if somebody has

already as a rookie you can say, I think it'll be one the best defenders in the NBA. I'm comfortable assuming that the shock can come around at some point and like giving benefit of the doubt there. Why?

I understand if it, if it doesn't, You know, we'll see. But, you know, he doesn't have to be a great offensive player to prove to be a high-end role player. He only has to have a little bit of progression there because the defense has to gives him such a high floor that his defensive floor gives him more value than some of the guys we've given the high-end role player tag to already. If he can do the important things off ball and offense, like cut on a high level, then I'm very comfortable with, like, putting him at the high level. role player for sure you know what

alright we'll go a high level starter just because I like Osar but but I am a little nervous about it I get it a lot of rookies suck at a lot of things and when you show that crazy high of flashes on a hugely important elements

like perimeter defense and playmaking as a defender I think that's a reason to believe someone can be a really great player we need to have a database of all the first round athletic draft pigs where everyone is like now like listen if the shooting comes around he's going to be good and then just see what the percentage is like because I feel like every year right and we are going to get every year guys who are just like now if the shooting comes around he'll be there

and then it just never gets to that level listen it's a gamble but it happens though herb Jones is a 42% three points year now it just it just happens sometimes scotie barnes yeah we'll see a bad last we'll see if that longzo ball became a three point shooter brand ninger became a great three point shooter it happens more than the modern NBA Jalen We were talking about Jalen Suggs last year as being worthless. If we did this last year, you would have been like Jalen Suggs

is the automatic benchwarmer. Now he's a 40% three-point shooter and one of the best defenders in the league is a permanent point guard. He was my guy. That was that swing factor. I was made fun of talking about some A, X factor,

Jalen Sugs three-point shot. That'll change everything and apparently it has. Not literally, but you know what I mean. Like you said, every draft last is going to have guys that have this three-point shot variation. I'm going to bet on the one

that's going to be the best defender in the fucking NBA. I'm going to pick that one to bet on. On the flip side, to that example we've seen an all-MBA all-defense type of player get applauded just for taking a three before because the three never developed right like we've been through this with guys like like ben simmons has been on on that level and the three never developed like there's there's obviously guys on the other side of that where course it never happens so and yeah yeah it's a coin flip

like like you said it is it is it is doesn't mean i'm gonna just be like it'll never happen like What were a reason we had to believe they won't? If you're going to do a projecting thing, you said he's an all-in-bid guy that never got a three-point shot, you could still be viable without a three-point shot. No, but not a player. I'm nervous. I'm nervous about his three, but we're fine.

All right. We can go to the next player. Jordan Hawkins, sharp shooter. Someone who gets a solid player. I've never seen one. No, Sars and a high-end starter There we go There we go

So you said Jordan Hawkins is a solid role player Solid role player if I've ever seen one He's good though He's good He's good right I just I just think high-end starter Nah that's a ratchet on life No he's a solid role player

Yeah he's just he's gonna be very dependent on On his situation He's gonna have to have a lot of on ball creators around him I want to see if he can, like, the step for him to become a high-end starter, can you create offense for yourself like that? But until that happens, just keep doing your thing, right? Keep being an offball guy. Keep knocking out shots.

You'll be okay. I agree with you on that one. I don't even want to talk about it too much. We can keep moving because we've been taking forever on the last few. We got the second half, we started yapping. We started yapping as a solid role player. We got, we got on the witch hunt for a fucking Benfomer, and we just started yapping about all these random guys.

I know. Anthony Black, I'm sorry I had to be you. T.J.D. I'm sorry. Marcus Sasser. It wasn't you. Now, you're going down. You're going down in history

is one of the biggest munchoffs we've ever seen over TJD. I can hear in your voice. The passion was there. It takes a much to know a munch, all right? It was crazy. There's something. I've never heard of like that.

I've never heard that from you. There's a tenor in your voice. I just like defending what's right. That's literally it. Okay. Okay. All right. So you said Marcus Sasser?

You're mad of the people. Yeah, where's Marcus Sasser going? Solid bench player. Bench warmer? Right? How do we feel about bench war? It's he, listen, people have talked about, I'm not seeing the vision necessarily with Marcus Sasser.

People have talked about him, like, you know, being a squad. I know that they've tried to put him in these different situations. like they try to put him kind of kind of off ball but it can't really work because like the backcourt's really small they try to do a lot of things but they the way people talk about Marcus has so you think that he's like an automatic bucket he has he had 24 I think in this game he had 24 yeah either in this game or the game before he just had 24 points before that he had like 10 straight games like under 10 like he is yeah he hit the rookie wall hard after the deadline after the all-star break yeah we got it written down here

He used to have 46% true shooting over the last 14 games. But before that, he was at 58% true shooting for the first 49 games. So that's just quintessential work you all. I wouldn't read too much into that. So you think solid role player? I would say solid role player. I honestly don't. I have defer to you guys.

I don't have much of it read on Marcus Asser. I'm not going to lie. It's hard to tell on backup Pistons guards with how they've been playing this year. I don't really have a strong feeling either way. I see the confidence offensively and you need to shoot. I just see that and I'm just like okay solid revenge player for sure I just I don't know if he's a good defender or not

I have like no fucking clue what his defense is like right now it's hard to figure that out on the business like is anyone a solid defender on that team yeah like I'm not gonna lie to y'all listen sometimes I just don't fucking know because some players I just like have overlooked and I try to watch every team but sometimes you're just like

is trace Jackson Davis a good rebounder I can't remember like you know it's not that example bad example but you know like sometimes you just like random player where you're like I have not pay attention to him in like two months it's fair to say there's like 400 players in the league we can't watch the yeah so I don't know Marcus has his defense like that so I'll defer to y'all where you want to go with him I think he's solid uh yeah he's okay he's okay solid role player there we go honestly I think everybody left this is just gonna go into solid role

player to be honest yeah hold on I think there's one guy that can get up there let's speed run this bitch all right I think Keonti George is maybe Okay, so Taylor Hendricks is solid-ass role player. I don't know anything we talk about it. I'm not talking about him either. Let's move. Solid-ass role player. Put him in there.

You got the rest. Jarris Walker is definitely a solid role player. I think he might be a high-in starter. He could be really nice. I think Jerrs Walker might be high-end starter. He has that ceiling for sure. The shock creation and three-point ability in the length and the defense is just like undeniable, bro.

I think he is going to be a really good passer. And he hasn't had a lot of time to show it because they trade for Pascal Seacom. He's been killing it in the G-League. shoots really well in three in the G-League. You see him be able to attack off the dribble a little bit. I think going to be a good defender. It's weird to imagine how it's going to develop with Pascal Seaccom there now, whether he becomes a trade piece or post-Syakum,

because Seacom's not getting any younger. I think there's going to be a world where he's going to be solid, solid, high-end starter. Yeah, it's hard, but the other night, I saw them run a lineup of, like, Jaris, then there were sticks, Jalen Smith, and then some other break. I think it was Miles Turner was on the court with him as well. They're running a three big lineup, and I think that goes to show Jaris Walker's versatility, you know, and obviously, like, long term, you can't expect him to be a fucking three or anything like that.

But I always talk about situation. The situation is tricky because Siakum is Siakum, and he's one of the most consistent role or all-star type players in the NBA. So it's hard to see him breaking out to that eventually, but regards to the fact, he, like, the potential is just undeniable still. There's a direct pathway for him. All right. Guante George, very interesting, very dynamic. People have a lot of high hopes for him. He's been a solid passer, can clearly get his own bucket.

He's the type of guard that needs to physically develop to really be like a truly efficient score in the league. Can't really expect the guard like that. That's really like a really shifty off the dribble guy and as a rookie to be super efficient, getting to the rim. But I think you can project him to get a lot better at that, as all point guards do. Do you see the passing chops for him to be an All-Star?

All-Star. Personally, all-star is tough. All-star stuff. I would be a lot of safer. He's good. I would rather bet on him being a high-end starter for sure. Because there's just so many good, like, good point guards in the NBA right now. You know, can he be?

But he's another guy kind of like G.J. Jackson, where, like, you could look up in four years and be like, oh, this is a surprise guy that class has secretly became a star. Like, that always happens. He's on watch for that for sure. For sure. High and started, though. But I think about the other type of, the other guards that he has to be better than, like, it's like, can he be better than, don't think about that. You have to, like, think about whether or not he has to be in, if he has a chance to be an all-star. The league's going to change so much.

There's no way to ever know that. And they have to, every fucking three years, half the talent gets traded from one conference to another these days. I think it's better to just focus on the level of player you think he's going to be. Projecting what did you think the league doesn't look like in the All-Star standings in three years is a useless endeavor. Even when I think about, I think about point guards from top to bottom. Like, all-star conversation or not. I think about the top 15 point guards in the entire NBA. And I feel like he just might be right outside of that.

Because it's just so deep. It's just so deep. Yeah. And also, injuries happen every year. I don't want to focus too much on, like, actually being an all-star. I just mean like all-star level, you know. Like, Deer & Fox wasn't an all-star tier, you know? Definitely for sure.

The all-star level's a better way to word it, for sure. so do you okay so there is that ceiling with him do you guys have you guys seen enough that you feel confident that that could actually happen like would you be willing to bet on it like on putting him that level he's on a great team he has the opportunity to make it happen for sure great coach yeah the opportunity just put him in all-star just just put him in all-star no you don't have to I'm just open the conversation I personally love his game and I'd want to put him there but I don't want to shit i don't want i don't know if i want to put those expectations on him yet i go back to the shoes so quick what what names are in a is there any names that are in high-end starter that you feel

bad putting behind kionte george casein for sure casein i don't i don't feel bad saying kiante has a higher ceiling than kaysen i don't i don't either yeah i would say kiont for sure has a higher ceiling for sure donovan do you see a ceiling of all start with him dan soon casein down i i see a ceiling with with counting. No, Casey needs to be high-end starter. What? Why would he move him down? I see a ceiling with Kianti as an all-star.

Do you think it's more likely he does that than not? No. All right, Ma, you decide. Is it a high-end starter or all-star? Let's put him a high-end starter. Keiante, playing you poo me wrong, bro. Yeah, he's going to be, he's going to sneak up in people when you're three. I hope so, and I want to see it.

And I'd rather, I definitely would have been on it. Just not right now on my glorious tier list. This is our tier list. We have four stars profiled in this class, Victor, Chet, Brendan Miller, and Amman Thompson. Is there anybody you guys want to add bump up last second? Do you want to give, I don't know, Cam Wittmore the credit, whoever may be? Nah. You did our thing.

A perfect tier list. No revisions. This is going to be so good. This is going to piss everybody off because young fans are crazy about their young players. I'm not young fans. Fans of each team are ridiculously optimistic about the young players. So we're going to get yelled at. It's going to be hilarious.

Oh, 100%. Listen, the magic are, we're no longer a part of Magic Hive. We can't be fans. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I have Palo Hater allegations. We're fucked. Magic fans are not going to fuck with us. Your theme song was fired, though, Orlando.

I do love it. It had to be somebody. It had to be somebody. Just no, it wasn't me. I think it's ridiculous. I think you should be solid role player, but I got out voted. at them not me you're gonna say

fuck you know what put Bilau and bench warmer oh god put Bilau Kulobali and bench warmer oh my goodness that's gonna be your biggest regret says swap Bilau and Anthony black

what swap him you guys are such as black haters for no reason it's like I'm not an I just moved him into solid role player I'll talk about my mom. I'm talking about Mo. He's,

what? Like you said, move fucking Quinn Cook and the solid role player. I'm not an Anthony Blackhater, bruh. It's just hard because the situation is tough. The next piece of the Orlando magic.

No, it's not for him as a young player when it comes to developing. It's not fine because why is your team, number one priority still, to get a point guard who can shoot and your young guard and you're like,

damn, they want to go ahead and put someone ahead of me and take my minutes already, bro? I don't have the opportunity. It's already hard enough for you to fit alongside Saipa in front.

So it's like, it's not, it's not, it's not, the opportunity is not there. It's not yapping. It's not yapping. It's not seen through it, brother. Listen, the team. He's yapping about the truth. The team never said, we need another point guards. He's yapping about the truth.

They're in the market for that. Like the team, the fans, whatever you want to slice it. If you're the GM of the Morelando magic, you're going to get a point guard, bro, who can shoot. Are you not? Yeah, that doesn't mean that Anthony Black doesn't have a role in the team. You can always use more shooting. That has little to do with Anthony Black's sealing on the team in future with them. I know, I understand that has little to nothing to do with Anthony Black, but at the same time, it's like, it kind of has a little bit something to do with you because we drafted, you know.

I don't know why they did. I hate that they dragged to him, but it kind of does. Yeah, it does because it's like he's a part of the problem inadvertently. Anthony Black, if you can get in the gym, you can avoid these conversations altogether. You know what I'm saying? Get you a basketball shooting machine, 400, 500 shots a day. You won't ever have to be in these nasty conversations again. solidify your spot they don't believe i don't believe in you right now all right

i don't believe in you prove me wrong please because i like your team i like your theme song i want to be on your side i'm not right now all right on your game in the summer young man please let's go on to ticot time crown eaters rejoice first thing we're going to do today we're going to bring back something we did a couple weeks ago that was incredibly fun performed well on shorts, people loved it. We're going to do that game where I have five questions and five categories. And I'm going to ask you guys to name a person, a player, a team, a coach,

whoever may be. You guys are you going to try to not name the same player as me. Okay. Are we locked in? Are we too locked in? That's the question right now. We don't want to be locked in. That's the thing. We're too much in lockstep all the fucking time. So we got to be opposite.

Last time I did it, I didn't pick any obvious names and people in the comments were like, I just pick the obvious person every time when I won. so got something for their stupid asses damn crown eater he just caught your stupid ass what you gonna do about it

you better outperform him and I'm with you crying either I'm gonna do it listen some of it'll be easy some of them won't be now I know to throw a variety now that I've done this before

so this time it's not gonna be such a walk in the park if you just say LeBron James every time LeBron time Yep so I won't say which questions but there's five questions

some they'll be easy some of them won't Let's do it Let's roll Let's get it So I'm gonna name five categories. You guys gotta try to make sure you don't say the same name as me.

First category, you can put my doc back up. Name an NBA player that has a championship. Okay. Three, two, one. The Nassas. You say Monsumper. What did you say, Donovan? I said, Thanassus.

Ooh, I got LeBron James. Wait, was the Nassus on that team at that point? I think he was. I think the Nassus was. he's been there for his whole career I think he was drafted before 2021 No, well he played

For the Knicks before Yeah he was the Knicks back in like 20 He was he was on the team Okay there you go Perfect okay You guys survive round one Keep it going Name an NBA player

With a signature shoe Hmm Okay Okay Three two one Austin Reeves You said lamello donovan Yeah

Jaima Rants Ooh. Still alive. I'm still alive. Let's go. Let's go. Tom Bray has a signature shoe? Yeah.

Yes. It got, listen, it got no push after the incidents, but he had the same shoe. Okay, you're right.

I forget. Incidents. Which one? That's why I said incidents, plural. I completely forgot. All right.

Name a coach with multiple championships. Oh, shit. All right. Yep, multiple rings Three, two, one Spolster

Fuck Steve Kerr Yes, oh my God We did damn, Donovan you were on that thing God we didn't complete the trifect No, I was nervous Yeah

As soon as you said Spoltscher I was like fuck Time in Two more questions You might get more nervous All right Name an NBA team that won a championship In the last 10 years

Oh, see you suck for that Okay You suck that There's like four I know Three Two One

Turrano Raptors What did you say Donovan I said the Nuggets Oh Got most stupid ass again Is the Toronto Raptors Damn

bruh The old The most poverty team I shouldn't have selected Their ass Fuck Just go one on one Got one more question

Donovan Can you survive I just want A 101 Name a current NBA player That has won Rookiee of the year three, two, one

Ben Simmons Kyrie Irving Wow Five for five Woo Damn it Anybody somebody found victory this time Shit

I hope the Last time nobody won So it's an upgrade Let's go I'm here I'm here I'm here It's a Cleveland

This is for you Anything is possible I love this Alright next thing we gotta do Let's shift to something funny Mo I believe you have some 2K graphics to show us Ooh yes something that we like to do over here y'all Is guess NBA players

Whether it be you know based on their baby pictures Based on what their head or hairline looking like But today We are over here This is crazy as fuck We are over here We're gonna be guessing NBA players based on their old 2K graphics.

You know what I'm saying? Back when a lot of you crown eaters weren't alive, there was this thing called a PS2, PS3, you know, and the graphics are very tough. What did you know about that? So I want to see how- What do you know about Tony Hawk's Underground? Oh, yeah.

You don't know nothing about that. You don't know nothing about that. The game do you? Y'all are in the trenches. Come on. Y'all in the trenches. So I want to know if can you, hold on. Ooh.

Tung's going all over the place, bro. Can you guess the NBA player based off of their 2K graphic? Okay. Let's go ahead and do it. First up, who is this player? Oh, that is. This is every James Bond villain. I'm going to guess.

But I see the jersey. Kevin Love. You're wrong. Kevin Love. No, that is an old Nuggett's jersey. And I know this doesn't look anything like him. That must be Nicola Yokic You are correct

This is Nicola Yokic This is fucking evil twin bro This is You know listen Second round pick 2K 24 The second arm pick in 2014 They did not respect him at all On God

This is Rob Deer deck He looks like his name is Evil Knievel bro He did the pointy nose Pointy ears for no reason Damn He looks like he sells fake gold In middle of the mall

That's straight finessing That's good That's elite It's a great pull You got this off writ, bro You're a true Nicole Yolk it's munch Isaac That's all the jersey

All right, what's next Who is this player? Is this supposed to be Christopher Emmanuel Paul? Why do you say that? That looks like a Hornets jersey Yeah That's got to be Chris Paul

Because that is also not Chris Paul That is Isaiah Rashad I don't even know who that is Isaiah Rashad Who are you? Damn So maybe looking at his ass It might be him bro But no it is Chris Paul you're correct

Did you say Avery Johnson Donovan? Yeah No that's Avery Johnson That's good That's good Yeah listen That's hilarious 2K6 they did not have

Advanced graphics back then But what's funny is All of y'all's dad saw this and was like Yo, that looks just like Chris Ball I thought I was watching a real game You liar That is crazy That is crazy, bro

All right, who do we have next? Who is this player? Nah, this is racist They get stoned by bees? This is racist This looks like Snoopy Is that Kevin Durant? Yes, this is Kevin Durant

And never in his life Is his nose been this big? Never. This is Kevin Durant if he was allergic to peanuts and ate erases. You are correct. This is KD. Damn, brother. They did you so dirty.

This is 2K8. Fuck, bro. This is hilarious. Yeah. I don't know what they did. Whoever was the creative behind this, bro. KD. Sue their ass.

This should not be out. Exactly, bro. Who's next? Who is this player? Is this like Japanese Derek Rose? Damn! It's like a face mash of two different people, one of which is not Derek Gross.

Honestly, this kind of looks like the scream, too, while you're at it. The face is that one. This is 100% Derek Rose. You are correct. This is D. Rose. Y'all on the fucking row, bro. Too crazy. That choice is, bro.

So when they graphics are good. He kind of looks like one of the goblins from Harry Potter. that we're in the bank oh my god nine that joke so flat i'm not i know nothing about harry potter ah you don't know ball my bad i know that joke probably hit though soon as i look it up overestimated you i've seen one harry potter movie in my life it's hilarious right next up so what's next who's this see oh my god now we're saying to get places that was starting to get places this obviously Clay Thompson, what year is this?

That would be the better question. It's showing this picture, and I'm going to guess that this is 2K 16? No, this is 13. 13? This is 12, actually. Fuck, I was going to say 12. This is 12. This is 12.

Good guess. Y'all are in your bag, bro. That's a real 2K player right there. I saw this and I heard that Jay-Z soundtrack. It was in the back of my head. Now you know real ball, bro. That's just classic. real game or shit

this next one is hard this next one's hard I'll be shocked depending on what happens oh that's true who is this player we're getting too easy we're getting too easy

this is hold on who is this looked like though we know who it is I think exactly this looks like it could be somebody else like this looks like this is Lucan Bah Mute

see now we're getting racist oh my god listen Listen, this is, it is an all-star player, but just the Dominican version of that player. That's what that is. So like, you got to crop the jerseys next down. Jersey makes it too easy. Yeah.

That's where you fucked up. Yeah. But Russell Westbrook, welcome to the program. You all are fucking correct, right. Y'all are breathing through this. Yeah, it's the jerseys. This looks like someone tried to draw Russell Westbrook from memory with crayons that didn't match the skin color. That's a good description.

There's only one shade of brown and creola. Exactly. Really? It's just brown. Yeah. That's hilarious. Who's next? Last one. Who is this player?

This is a nemo. T.J.G. Fish. It is. It's fucking Marshall Mathers. This is ridiculous. Ice J.J. Fish is crazy. Okay. Black and white. is this this a Frenchman

is this Tony Parker That's not a bad guess But it's not My glorious King LeBron James Is this a light skin motherfucker Steph Curry It is that light skin motherfucker This is college hoops

2K7 bro What a pool This is a mean throwback right here, bro He looks like his face He looks so caught off guard He's like he just woke up from a bad dream. This is exactly how Steph Curry looked

whenever Dremont got dejected tonight. Just like crying and shit. Yeah. Look at somebody hit him with surprising information. No facts. That's great. All right. On to the next thing. Next thing we're going to do.

We're going to play 20 questions. But I've gotten the senses of late that 20 questions is too easy for you all. We're going to play 10 questions. not 15 we got to go all in a 10 we're going all out you better choose your questions carefully I want to hear drama I want to hear pressure listen you can't be throwing questions out willy-nilly you have very few to choose from okay I'm going to throw out the most random questions real time to lock in time to lock in let's go mom so you got 10 questions

to guess the NBA player I'm thinking of okay we have to be very selective very first First of all, we have to ask, is, does he play in the Western Conference? No. Okay, he's in the East, Donovan. Nine more questions. We got to get this bitch. Has he made, wait, tell me up, is this an active player? Yes.

So, okay, so the pause. No, no, I was just going to say, I wanted to tell you it's obviously going to be. I'm not going to do a non-active player for 10 questions, but I'll let you waste a question. I'm trying to decide if I want to give you a freebie or not, but I don't. Jackass. That's fine. That's fine. Okay.

Eight more questions. Not a lot. We need to determine how good this player is, right? What metric do you want to go? All-star. It must be R. 15. Right?

15 points per game, 20 points per game. How do you want to, how do you want to attack this? Let's do the All-Star pass. pathway okay have they ever been an all-star yes they have okay okay next I feel comfortable asking is this player a guard no he's not okay so he has some size to him Donovan whoa okay we can't wait this year we got six more questions Let's lock the fuck in Let's go

Does this player At this point Play in the Atlantic Or Southeast division Yes he does Okay

What are those divisions Because I don't know shit This is You should have taken a heave And picked one division And picking two Was two conservative For ten questions

I wanted to cross off I wanted to see if I can cross off two I took a gamble. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. So listen, we have Knicks, Celtics, Raptors, Nets, Sixers. And then we have Heat, Wizards, Hornets, Heat Wizards, Magic. To do, do, do, heat, Hawks. Okay, cool. So he's a All-Star, not a guard.

Come on, speed it up. Not a guard. Yeah. Do you want to ask a question about his age? Mm. Yes, we should ask him about his age. Go ahead. You can set the line for the age.

How specific do we want to be, though? Like, should we be like 27 and over or 27 under? Like, which you want to, which way you want to lead? You want to go 30? Or do you want to go 28? Let's do 28. Let's go 28. You want to go 28?

Is he? 28 or older? I'm feeling tense for y'all. He is over 28. Okay. Old All-Star. Old All-Star. In the Eastern Conference.

28 was a bad line. I don't know why y'all did that. That's too big. It tells us that he's, you know what I'm saying? Peak of his prime on the older side. Now we might need to start throwing a guess.

Y'all got three questions. Y'all be mad conservative. He's been cavaliers. Here's what we should ask. Here's what we should ask. The last two questions are going to have to be very specific guesses. I think for seven, out of these 10 teams, we should ask, are they on a playoff team? And then we can go into guesses.

That's a good one. Okay. Okay. For seven, is their team currently in the playoffs? They are. Okay. So, we can pick from the Knicks, the Celtics, the Nets, the Sixers. Not the Nets, they're not in the playoffs

Oh yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. Nick Celtics, Sixers, Heat, Magic. Magic, Cavs. Caves are on here. Okay, Nick Celtic, Sixers, heat, magic. Five teams. Five teams. Let's get tense.

We have older All-Stars. Let's think about them. On the magic, nobody, nobody's an all-star. Nobody's over 28 and has been an all-star. Correct? Yeah, you're right. Okay, so I think we can cross off the magic. The Knicks, nobody is over 28.

I kind of want to throw a shot right now. Listen. You only have two questions. Actually, no, we have three. You have three questions. Hell Mary time. Oh, man, it could be two players actually not how to think about it. So it could be a lot of players at 28.

Yeah, I know. So for the All-Star question, was it like, have they been an all-star throughout their entire career or like they were this season? He said have they ever been an all-star? Yeah, like, okay, so they've been an all-star before. Doesn't necessarily mean they were an all-star this year. Oh, Donovan, I kind of want to throw out a name right now on the Milwaukee Bucks to be honest with you. I want to throw out in box.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what? This man can't read. What? No, the five teams that are in bold, those are the five teams that they're, are on the bucks are not in this oh okay it's too zoomed too zoomed out for me i can't even see that shit yeah there's only five teams that they're on they're either on the nix sixers heat or magic but the magic don't have anybody 28 and above that has been an all-star oh right we can we can cross that out come on okay okay gotcha shut the hell up we need to win this shit

Yeah, no, yeah, we're going for the win. You need to entertain people, speed it up. All right. People need to tune into the long form. Then they'll be entertained. Shit, all right. I am going to throw it a shot in the dark. Take one.

Take it. Kevin Love. Incorrect. Waste of a guess. Two guesses left. Okay. Not Kevin Love. We got to be shooting.

We got to be shooting. It's not Kevin Love. Can't be no one on, no one else. Okay. Listen, it's not a good. we got to think about people we're thinking about we're thinking about Jimmy Butler we're thinking about Al Horford we're thinking about um we're thinking about yeah we're thinking about Butler out Al Horford and on the Knicks I don't think anybody is 28 and above I can't

I can't remember how old Julius is I'm pretty sure that he might be 28 right now he's 29 Okay, 29. Okay, Randall, Randall, Butler, Horford. We got to pick two of those three. Is this Al Horford? That's your official guess. Donovan, you concurred?

That's the guess. Yes, that's the guess. This is Al Orford. One of the greatest hawks of all time. You never fail me when I need you the most. Thank you, Al. Now, listen, we're here. It took us a minute, but I don't care because you got the dub,

and that's all that matters. There we go. Slow and city. Beater. Let's go. Thank you, Lord. That was tough. Wow.

That's tough. No, that's, that's, that's, that's pressure packed. Yeah. That's pressure.

That's pressure. We hear. We hear. If you were at Jimmy Butler, you'd have been fucked, you'd have been down to a coin flip. I wouldn't go so now. That's hilarious.

What a surgical way to get to the answer. I knew it couldn't be Jimmy Buller because when I asked if he was a guardier, like, clear, like straight up, no. And Jimmy Buller is like, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, we don't have to fuck around do five questions next time. I really have to test you. Oh, five questions is crazy.

That's ridiculous. Listen. And to be honest, had we known that all the players were going to be, like, active, we could have had an extra, an extra question. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't have to be nice about it, but I was like, well, I was like, well, I did this in eight. If you think about it. Oh, wow, you guys are fucking next level.

Next thing we're going to do, we're going to put old versus new. I'm going to real simple. I'm going to have a matchable players, one old, one new. You guys are going to tell me who was better at their peak. Okay. All right. Let's do it. Simple enough.

So we've done this before. We've done it with jerseys a lot. We've done it with like certain positions on certain teams. This ought to be a little more broad. So nice and simple. Which NBA player was better, old or new? First off, we got Rajan Ron. Rondo or Tray Young.

Roger Rondo was great for his time. I'm going to say my answer and I just get to be like, that's nostalgia. No way. Prime Rondo over Trey Young any day. Any days. Give me your basketball card right now. Give me your black card while we're at it to. What the hell?

You're telling me that I get, how they're both black. What do you mean? And I'm taking the dark one. What are we talking about? Oh, my God, you're gross. Have you swapped Trey Young for Rondo in the 08 Celtics day would have fucking three-peated?

Yes! How can you guard that? Their office would have been unstoppable. Pulling up from 30-old dimeing you the fuck up? What are you going to do about it? Stop that. Stop it.

Let me tell you something. First of all, I'm getting the better passer. Second of all. And by far, and by far, and by far, I'm getting the better defender. Sure. Okay. Sure.

If you, if you give me those, if you give me those two things. And Rondo at his peak could score a little bit. Obviously, he's not going to lead the team in scoring. Oh, nice, 12 points. Oh my God. Fuck out of here. Give me to 25 and 10 routinely guy. I need him.

What else does he do? Give me what. If we gave Trey Young, Kevin Gardet, and Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen, we'd be talking about him a lot differently. Give me Prime Rondo. And my team will be set. We'll be in line. You're telling me I get basketball IQ.

and defense and elite passing that's all i need for my point guard i don't need anything else you can you can take the guy who chucks from 35 feet you can have them yeah i'll take that guy who chucks it's 38% of them i'll take him any day yeah for sure that's disgusting i can't and end up in the tent seat like you've been keep doing what you do yeah because rondo is the first option get you real far yeah exactly i would yeah rondo as a first option will give me the number one prospect at Kentucky, for sure, buddy. Let's do it. Give you a super flag.

Exactly. I saw Sacramento Rondo. It was not a pretty sight. See, that was passing part. I saw Dallas Mavericks Rondo. Disgusting. See, Rick Carlisle was being ridiculous. Oh, man.

All right, next up. Blake Griffin versus Zion Williamson. Zion Williamson has a late has been special. But if we're talking about Detroit Blake Griffin, it might be a easy conversation bro fuck the Detroit Blake Griffin

if we're talking 2015 playoff Blake Griffin this man was a man amongst boys he was ridiculous Blake Griffin still deserves it

he was a man amongst boys until Zach Randolph came around then he was the boy and he'd get thrown around that court he was salt

the bullies bully exactly the definition of the bully's bully Prime Prime Blake was good but I am forever going to pick against him

because he faked jumped over a car. So give me Zion. He loses the aura battle. Okay, I get it. Yeah. He literally jumped over a car. What do you expect him, bro? Did he not go over it from point A to point A.

He jumped over the hood, and it was advertised. Is that not a part of the car? He didn't clear the car. That's a car. Is it not? Embrace the bait. No. He jumped over the hood.

Oh, my God. That was a big slam dunk contest. Big Kia. Big car was out there. Big car was out there, making sure that Blake Griffin won. He full 13-year-old, you boo-hoo. Next player Kevin Garnett

versus Nicola Yokic Shit Listen I love KG's passion I really do I want it on my team lack of passion Huh I love Yokic's lack of passion

See that's where we differ However Nicole Yokic is so much I'm a better player I got to take him over KG So much Let's go Now KG's defense

moves mountains Especially if he was playing today bro alongside what he did offensively too especially the younger T-wolf days but I'm still taking Yolkich I'm sorry Yeah you say you know what else moves mountains The best offensive big man of all time Top three passer of all time

The most dangerous white man in the land Give me Nicole Yokic Munch munch munch munch munch You're munches Like Tachman Just going God yeah You're not making this any better

All over the screen He ain't misses He's eating anything in sight I'm on a fucking shiad it Oh my goodness Shut up I'm on a glazed donut diet Yeah

Blaz it man Oh my God That's funny Alright next up It's like back man Tracy McGrady or Jason Tatum As much as I hate on Tatum There's no way in hell

I'm picking T-Mack over you, bro Give me Tatum any day. Why? Why not? What do you mean? What do you think I mean? Remind me of a second round series that T-Mac played for me, please. Which one did you play in?

What did you play in? What second round series did T-Mack play in? Remind me. Listen, how many times has Jason Tatum got outplayed by his own teammate who can't go left in the finals? Don't talk to me about Jason Tatum right now. He got him there. Yeah, exactly No, I'm being nasty

You know you are But Team Mac is incredibly talented Never came together the right time And the right team Jason Tain deserves it Yeah His defense does move also One of the best defenders in the league

At his position I don't know about that much But relax but he's very good He's no herb Jones I'll give this player I'll give Tatum the nod Because he's gone further in the playoffs But if we're talking about getting buckets, it's T-Mack all day.

Oh, my goodness. Bucking for bucket? T-Mack clears. Listen, you put him in Rucker Park. It's no competition. Exactly. One-on-one. Who makes the best ball is life mixtape?

T-Mack might win that out of every player in NBA history. Listen, one-on-one, three dribbles. Team-Mack, easy. All right, next player. We got Pau-Gasol versus Carl Anthony Towns. Come on, man. Wow. Come on.

I miss Powell, man. Come on. I'm taking Palgasol. I'm taking Palisov. Could I have won next to Kobe? No. Kobe would have put him in a chokehold every other day. She would have hated him.

What happened? Yeah, no. Jimmy Butler hated him. I'm kind of imagine what Kobe would have thought. Oh my goodness, bro. Kobe would be in the locker room throwing baseballs at him. Exactly, bro. Set screens harder.

For sure. I'm taking power. I mean, I like the defense, the passing. He never does. does too much, knows his role. The defense. Paukasol noted riprotecting. It's better than Carl.

I guess. Yeah. His name is Carl. That's so crazy. I don't know why that was so funny. Yeah. Better than Carl. Yeah.

Carl is, I never called him Carl before in my life. He's got a lot of Carl. Carl moves you, bro? Next player Charles Barkley versus Anthony Davis Hmm This is tough

Very different Charles is a better offensive player 80's a better defensive player Listen Chuck won MVP of the league One time

He did Like we can't We can't forget about that At 6 4 being undersized Listen is he a better Is he a better rebounder At 610 611

any average like 12 rebounds of gain so I'll be close that's what I'm saying Charles is definitely better as number one option leading a team you can definitely create offense for others better

is that the difference maybe yeah Anthony Davis's defense is fucking crazy yeah and Charles was never like super impactful on that this is the closest what are we doing

this is the MVP of the lead that we're talking about here yes it's Charles Barking it's Charles Barkley it's all right all right all right sorry sorry fat man I'm just trying to listen trying to

to think it through, but it's Charles Barkley. Let's do it, Charles. John Stockton versus Luca Donchich. These two white men are not the same. Get this dude off of my screen. This is

glorified Ricky Rubio, Kyle Guy, whoever you want to put in front of my face, bro. Like he, Luca Donchishish suits. This looks like Steve Rogers before and after the Super Soldier serum. Oh, that's.

This is the same guy, but just extremely evolved in every way. You know, this is a straight troll, bro. I can name you 30 NBA point guards I'd rather have than John Stockton. Oh, wow. That's disrespectful. Call it what you want. It's facts. Man, say, give me Spencer Dinwiddie.

All right, I won't go that far. Give me, hey, Alex Caruso, though? Now we're talking. We're going to white for white right now. Let's go. Keep going. What other white players would you take over, John? John Stockton right now.

Oh, we could do it right now. I'd rather have Dante Devinchenzo for sure. I'd rather have Dylan Winler. I would rather have T.J. McConnell. I would rather have Kevin Love, good vibes guy, of course, never really to disrupt the locker room. Are you taking Duncan Robinson? Who?

You taking Duncan Robinson or John Stockton? Oh, he, Duncan Robinson in a heartbeat. Absolutely, bro. And then on top of Isaiah Arnstein? Easy, bro. He's a great rebounder. Plus, he's partially black, too, so I, like, I need that athleticism. On top of that.

Tyler Hero? Yeah. Grayson Allen. Give me him, too. Same type of time, but I need him. Elite shooter. So many guys. Grady Dick?

In a heartbeat. Give me Grady Dick also. All right. Are you taking, you taking Kavan, Kvon, Herder, or John Stockton? Give me both. Give me Kavon Hurder, bro. Give me John Contrar, bro. like I any like name any

what did they be am taking him over him yeah give me Salta Adama give me Zubach bro I'll take anyone Oh my god That's wow Next player Manu Janobli or Anthony Edwards

Bro if Manu was a starter for the entirety of his NBA career We would be looking at him a lot to differently way differently but also he couldn't dunk on john collins like that he would have euro john collins exactly he would have john collins spinning around either way john collins is getting put in the blender like he's gonna make stuff right i don't i don't really i'm not i'm not picking between these two i know i'm not picking john collins now getting monogenobly monogne obli is on the most skilled two guards of all time if he was a full-time starter on his

own team where he was the first option, he would have been a lot better. Anthony Edwards, I'm picking you, my boy. But listen, he's better than 23-year-old Anthony Edwards. We'll be better than 28-year-old Anthony Edwards. I don't know. Now, that's a real conversation that we've got to have in five years. We'll resume. Yeah, ask me in two years on my pick, aunt.

Exactly. Ask me after one more playoff run on my pick, aunt. I don't know. Exactly. Well, for now, we've got to get the bald man in respect. I agree. That's the end of that. That was fucking hilarious

Next thing we're gonna do We're gonna look at some accessories Some aesthetics some vibes Some fashion some style Some NBA signature shoes Okay Something we've done in the past haven't done a little while Kind of a T3 staple

But it's been a little bit since we did it Every time we do this people on shorts and TikTok Don't realize we're talking about just looks So they're always like Have you even ever played in the Curry Flow 9 And we're like no Clearly we're talking about the fucking looks of them idiots you think I've played in every basketball shoe ever no like shut up

you think I ordered a pair of answers come on now I have one pair of basketball shoes exactly one I had no need for multiple yeah so what you guys are going to do is it says guessing you're not going to be guessing them you're going to be rating these NBA shoes based on how good they look okay from one through 10 yeah one through 10 purely aesthetic aesthetics and style let's do it show me the first off we got we got James Harden new shoe. Listen, these are hard. These are hard. Now, I don't like this color way, but every other color way, I, I would buy a pair. These are like nine out of ten near perfect shoes. Oh, near perfect. Okay. Near perfect. I like them too. They're tough. Yeah. James Hardin's line. His

shoe line has been in the trenches for the last few years, but this shit right here put his brain back on the map. Not going to lie. Listen, my favorite version of these, the ones that J. Dub wears, where he has a blue and an orange pair and they have the little like white lightning bolts. Wow. Perfect. I'll go with solid eight. This is a good way to make it like futuristic and modern

without looking corny. I agree. This is a classic. This is damn near a timeless shoe in my opinion. I kind of want to give this a nine. I don't know if it's timeless, but it's good. Came out two months ago. Timeless.

Had that timeless looking. Instant classic. All right. Next up we got who's up next. Next up we have the Skechers that Joelle and Bede wears. Oh my God, bro. You look like elite walking shoes, for sure. If I'm walking my dog, I might wear these holes right here.

Where do we begin? Good God. Is there even enough bad things to say about this shoe? This shoe sucks. I don't, I'm not in the bag they had to throw him to wear Skechers on an NBA court. Sketches that look like that, too, bro. Massive.

It's him and Joe Montana is just holding up the brand. This is not good. This is a one out of tech. Joe Montana. This is 50, bro, 50 year old kindergartner type shoes. Like,

this is, these are shoes that teachers wear for sure. He doesn't have a player edition, right? They look like they light up. Like, why are they not blue and red? Looks like you should pop a helie out of it

and zoom down the hallway. Exactly. What is this color way? You can be running like Naruto hands behind his back? Facts, bro. No, this is peak hall monitor shoes, bro, lame as fuck if you wear this, bro.

Snitch alert if you wear these. I know sketches are trying to get into the basketball game, trying to make themselves reputable. Hasn't been word yet. I'm not going to respect it. Adam Silver is over here figuring out ways to save the NBA. Too much scoring. We need to lower the offense.

This right here is what we need to start with, bro. Players can't wear shit like this. Banned Skechers. Yeah. That's how you fix the league. It's how you restore the feeling. All right, next up. We have Lou Williams' signature shoe

Why these motherfuckers kind of hard You're stompers They're hard Yeah They're hard to look at Can we stomper to a cranberry field These are looking industrial That's what I'm saying

These look like shoes That Kenjic Lamar will wear on tour These are steppers Y'all are lying If this had a Nike check on them You guys have completely different opinions I grieve different You're lying

These are Mr. Moral ones Alright, relax We're all lying These are a solid seven You would walk past If you were in academy Or a store like that You would walk by them

Wouldn't give them the time of day Nah, I wouldn't These are solid seven Damn, these are hard These are a solid seven If you work on an oil rig Oil rig Yeah, if you need something for protection

if you need something that's like for utility you're working a hard job you're working hard you're being you know a good worker these will do it for you 100% when you go into those jobs and they tell you you need to wear all black shoes right you need a you need a good grip on the floor this is what you put on oh yeah all black shoes this is what you wear if you're working chilies oh chilies you're a line cook lou will these are hard these are seven chilies is mad is not respectable I don't mind chilies at all I would going to be trying to dress the part though this dude is the Chili's reward member that's you're saying Chili's employees have no drip come on now you got a Chili's

membership I do freak you got a Chili's credit card I'll be there I'll be there I'll give him a solid two oh my god y'all are hating I'm going three they suck I don't know this is a terrible big duct tape right next up we have Aaron Gordon signatures shoe. These are some Power Ranger As shoes. I've seen one before, bro. The little wheel looks like it literally moves with you, bro. It gives you like a plus 10 in speed wherever you go.

You run mad fast and you're the flash. Exactly, bro. And also, what's the brand of these? Adidas? I don't even know. Can you know what they look like? They look like No, there's some random brand that nobody's heard of. They look like the old school Derek

roses. Like the crazy lights? They do. Right? Just. a little bit like more compressed no these look like what these look like a train from the boys that were these

oh damn I'm sorry I don't get that reference oh my god you're fucking ridiculous I'm sorry I don't watch the boys oh my goodness I'm sorry now but I're right these are plus 10 speed for sure this looks like a formula one car to be honest with you too it does it does

I just hear a spoiler in the back yeah mean ass spoiler in the back bro I just hear just NASCAR threw this shoe, bro. I don't know why. No, but I'll give these a good five. I feel like if I wear these, I'm jumping like Aaron Gordon.

Five? I feel like if I'm like Mike, you don't get his powers. They suck. No, they're not a four. Like a four. Okay. They're mid.

That's fine. Next shoe. We got Kyrie Irving's new Antas. Bro, they just look like his old Kyrie's. These are hard as fuck. These are tough as shit, bro. Those colors look so good to get.

other. I love the off white soul. The strap works. I'm giving this a good night. The purple and the pink mixed with the cream just all flows really well, bro. He was in his bag with a designer. I need to lie to you. These are tough. Come down. These are a nine. I got to say, don't think I'm a fan. Oh, my God. Don't think I'm a fan. It's a lot going on. It looks like a lava lamp on his feet. And I'm not sure how a lot of lines, not vibey. So I will give it a five right now. Now, low-key, it looks like the tapestrys like college girls have on their walls. It does. Damn.

Okay, now you're giving these a terrible reputation. You want me to give this a two or three. This is the shoe of somebody who burns incense at game, so maybe it makes sense. That is true. This is a nine. Staying 10. There's a nine. Staying true to the brand.

This is a nine. I'm turning the upside down. It's a six. Oh, wow. All right, next up. We have Paul George's new issue. shoe. This is also bad. Not terrible. I like the soul. I don't like the upper part of it. The soul's cool. Look at Mad Toy Story. It looks so clunky, bro. It does look clunky. What

happened to the Paul Jordan that everybody loves that would like the greatest basketball shoes of all time? Because these are not it. If I wear these shoes, I feel like I got to wear it with like a neck brace around my neck. And also, I feel like the shoes trying to protect me from all the forces of the universe. It just feels like so much is going on. And, at once it don't look like a basketball shoe at all these are the shoes that when you see like a 40 year old white man that works in accounting when you see him like going to run yeah she's like these on and he thinks he got that shit on that's actually incredibly accurate that's insane and on that note five yeah i'll go five two five

Spencer Dinwiddie's signature shoe Someone gave Spencer Dinwiddie a shoe And they made him to wear it Can I get a shoe now? This man is a thief He is stealing money These shoes are terrible

They're so ugly, bro They're so bad This looks like we made this shit on Nike ID It is so ugly If you are here wearing Spencer Dinwidis You deserve to have a bad day Like go back to the black one real quick this is so ugly

let's go back break it down what is this like line going up to side is that like audio waves what even is that fucking noise on the side it might be like

the skyline back when he was in Brooklyn oh okay that's a little bit okay that's a little better but look at the materials like made of Velcro

all the way around why they want this shoe to be so secretive this like what are you trying to code name kids shoe facts like a spike kid's ass

what are you trying to do here man These are just so bad Like it looks like Velcro It looks like if I wear these And run through the grass I'm gonna come out with like The little stickers all over my shoe

Yeah those things hurt They suck And look at the logo Dude look at that SD That logo It just looks like nothing It looks like nothing It looks disgusting

I ain't gonna lie These shoes look really useful For one thing though Looks like you get all the grime Off of my pot bro That I've been trying to get out for years for sure very useful shoe if I'm in the kitchen it's one of

those wire metal wire brushes yeah exactly right Matt cast iron is going to be fucking spotless won't see a goddamn spec yeah these Mr. Clean Shoes

love it I'll get these zero zero for sure strong zero hard zero I just like him hard next one oh my god bro

We got a Chris Paul shoe from this year. These are Nikes? These are hard. They're Jordans. Uh, it looks like a Nike sign. I don't know how to feel about these. These are hard. I like this color way.

The shoes are all right. The colorway is perplexing. Matt Safari vibes going on. What is that? To back the previous picture. What is happening here? I like the gums hole. It looks, listen, it looks kind of crazy.

crazy to the point that you would think that these are Zion's shoes and because of that, I'm going to give them the two because Zion has some bad shoes. Is that Cheaterprint? I think so. Yeah, it is. What does Cheaterprint have to do with CP3?

Cheetah print, neon green. Yeah, you're doing too much for me. I'm out. His designer was feeling a little bit sassy that day. I'm out. They were in their bag. I'm going to. The shoe,

the actual model of the shoes not bad, though. Yeah, I'll go too as well This shit sucks Well, yeah, the colorway is terrible Damn, I would say 5 CP I gotta say another color way Maybe you can fool me But for now you're not getting any props

Yeah Next one We got Anthony Edward shoe At first I didn't really like these But these have really grown on me I'm giving these an eight I'm not gonna I'm getting them a nine First time I saw them in the leaks

When it was unofficial pictures I was like get this cheese grader Predator looking shoe out of my face this looks like a poisonous fish from down under Now I like him a lot Now I think this works perfectly Looks like one of them blow fishes I know exactly what you're talking about

It's like the coral reef Yeah But I fuck with it It looks cool Yeah I feel like if I wear these I might be walking on air in this bitch I fuck with them heavy Yeah I feel like I run fast

Yeah exactly These are hard It's just another knots on his belt for Orah man He gets it Yeah The marketing didn't well. The sicken shirt on the tongue looks good.

All of it, all of it works. The black upper looks good with any color. I fuck with it. Ten. Good job, Adidas. Solid ten. In your bag.

I need me a pair ASAP. Solid ten. Solid ten. I agree. Fuck. Oh, that's the last one. Okay. This man's yawning.

Man's sleepy. Yeah, bro. I'm putting in real pain for you, Crown. There's fucking one a.m., bro. and y'all wouldn't know 10 for me i'm in california nice time difference one more video before we get out of here this will be real simple let's get the energy going let's get it pop and get ready to argue this one's gonna be a fun one

which NBA player do you think ranks higher all time we're getting in our discourse bag our most highest view video of all time is episode 50 of the top 30 rankings of all time 4002k on the long form clearly y'all like Hearing Donovan rant about all-time rankings, we're going to get Donovan renting again. Donovan, carry me. Yeah, mostly be asked, carry him. So real simple.

Which NBA player ranks higher all the time? James Hardin or Chris Paul? This isn't even a conversation. It's not? It's James Hardin. Yeah. It's James Hardin. Oh.

You have two, listen, both of them, great players. Both of them, elite, playoff chokers. But James Harden is fantastic in the regular season. MVP, best player in the world. And even though that you could say Chris Paul deserves one, James Hardin went out and he got one. So I'm giving him the nod.

The greatest achievement of a, of James Hardin's NBA career is almost beating the 2018 Golden State Warriors. And that's some that no team or no player in NBA history can't say. But, hey, Mo. It wasn't CP on that team too. Can I remind you? Can I remind you that? Chris Paul was on that team.

Yeah, I just said that exactly. But still, he wasn't as much of the factor compared to James Hart. Can I remind you that Chris Paul made a finals? Can I remind you that Chris Paul made a finals as a very important piece of that in 2021? No one cares about that. No. Not at all. Not at all.

Because guess what happened in that finals? He was up 2-0 and didn't win another game. The Chris Paul special. You just got Yonist. I can go James Harden I'm not arguing against my guy Guess the discussion that he's your guy Oh fuck off

Next up Dremont Whoa whoa whoa Dremon green or Paul George Give me Dremont Green Wow I don't listen I don't I don't care

What any 17 or 18 year old tells you about Paul George being the goat Dremont Green is a defensive player of the year This man is a champion and is one of the most important pieces to one of the best dynasties in NBA history. Paul George has none of that.

He has a nice signature shoe. Good job, Paul. Well, yeah, he would have some of that if he played with Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and KD throughout his career, but he hasn't. Guess what? He played with George Hill, David West,

Andre Oberson, Jeremy Grant. Russell Westbrook, Kowai Leonard. Fuck up You're making excuses That's what Do you think Paul George is the individually more talented player Yes

I do I do believe that But when it comes to ranking There's more context to that conversation But I also think that Paul George For years Had Year after year after year Of playoff failures

And his team Not refused but his team didn't go far and a lot of it was because of him and so I just don't think that I don't think that Paul George and either can Draymond but Paul George is not the number one for Paul George in his archetype he did not thrive in his archetype the way that Draymond did in his and so I'm I'm taking Jermon Green all right I think you're penalizing I think you're penalizing them based on boohoo I'm penalizing Paul George nobody cares nobody cares don't act like you feel bad for him relax relax

fuck that fuck that I feel bad for him he is he's at he ranks higher all the time than draymon most sounded just like drake the beginning of passion fruit

when he said fuck that really why did you yeah you're such a much I sounded like him oh my god I might need to I might need to ditch you two bozo

why is quadrude I take my new solo career it's hilarious mo I must move on next players no I need answers I need answer.

What? This next one. We're going to talk offline. I need answers. Next one. Hakeem Elijah Juan or Steph Curry. See. They're super close in terms of all the time.

Why can't we just enjoy basketball, right? Why does everything have to be a discourse, right? I see two legends. Says it in front of a podcast, Mike. You know what you want to do. But you know what you don't want to do. They said that two legends can not coexist. I said that they can, right?

They're fantastic. They're great. We all know, Steph. Man can't stand to pick one of the guys who much is for it. Oh. I'm not doing it. I almost said Steph, but I was like, damn, McKeem is a kid, bro. Damn.

Give me step, Perry. I might want to lead towards stuff. I just like basketball, man. Why do you lean towards stuff? though, Isaac. Why do you lean towards Steph? It's just top two offensive peak of all time, you know, or not top two, maybe, or maybe you'll plug it. One of the greatest

offensive peaks of all time. 2016, Steph is literally one of the best offensive seasons we've ever seen. Obviously, we know he changed the game, all the impact of that. The driver of the greatest team of all time, probably the top, the best offensive point guard of all time, 1A, 1B with magic. Everything that you would want for him to do with his archetype and his position, he achieved it. Obviously,

has a team success to go with it. You know, it's like the eighth best player of all time versus the 10th. It's a small difference, but I think step deserves it. Donovan, he just talked down on your guy. What the fuck are you going to do about it? He didn't say anything bad about Hakeem Elijah, what are you talking about? He's, hey, man, he didn't level up your guy. So I'm saying, what are you going to do about it?

I told you, I'm going to enjoy basketball. I'm going to put on both of their highlights and be like, yo, these guys are great. All right, nice player. Steph, it is. Rudy Gobert or Carmelo Anthony. Give me the winner If you want blocks If you want room protection

If you want good defense You can go with Rudy Gobert But if you want a bucket And if you want highlights And you want real Basketball Give me Carmelo Anthony If you want a bag

You want somebody who's chasing A bag on the floor And off the floor Come on All right, all right I hear you I feel all that What do I do if I want wins

Then get a good defender around Carmelo Anthony. Why does he have to do everything? He's already giving you all the points. Come on. Come on. The way we bring Terrence man out here, I scare Rudy Gobert.

Who are you thinking? Sheesh. Personally, give me one of the greatest defenders of all time, Rudy Gobert. Give me Rudy. Showing him love, giving his respect.

Who am I seen you? Give me Carmelo Anthony. I can't say that with a straight fucking face. I can't say it with a straight face, bro. I just can't. All right, mellow it is. Next one. Kevin Durant or Wilk Chamberlain?

KD. Easy. Give me Kevin Durant. I'm not even thinking twice about this, for sure. Not thinking twice? Is that easy? Yeah, for sure. I'll take Kevin Durant.

I'll take Kevin Durant. So for the fact that for Wilts Chamberlain's picture right now, it looks like somebody had to draw it. Like, that's how bad the camera quality. he was and I'm not taking somebody from that era right now unless it's Bill Russell shout out Bill but we'll he doesn't make the cut yeah

Kevin Rand fucking 4K Katie's the eighth highest he's he rings number eight in scoring all time in NBA history he's missed so much time throughout his entire NBA career imagine if he did have that health and he still has a certain level longevity at the age of what

36 that he is right now I don't know if he's gonna win another championship but in terms of like who he is, what he's done on the court, which we've all literally seen, I think I'm going to lean candy. You're going fraud for fraud? Yeah.

I've seen Kevin Durant be great. Jury's still out on Will Chamberlain. It's because you haven't seen it. Why don't we have the footage? We have everything else. There's no explanation. Where are the radio? Go back, it's pretty theorist.

I'm not going to have to. Next players. Russell Westbrook or Jason Kidd. I think this is easy as well. Is it? Is it? It's Russell Westbro. It should be.

It is Russell Westbrook. Definitely Russell. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Historic. Historic player. And Jason Kidd isn't?

He's historic as well, but it's on another level of historic. It's on another level. Listen, Jason Kidd has a ring. Does that matter of you? He does have a ring, you're right, but Peek for peak, who was better? Who had the long, well, I don't want to say longer peak because Russ's peak is kind of, yeah.

I mean, listen, peak for peak, Russ had better stats. Did Russ impact winning more than Jason Kidd? That's a different conversation. You put Kyle Zingler as his third best shooter, and I want to see what Jason Kidd does. Sure, if we're having a competition to see who can have the best six seed, sure, but if I'm trying to win a championship, I think I'm picking Jason Kidd 10 at 10.

times. Jason Kidd is not giving me highlights like Russell Westbrook, so I'm leaning that way. I'm influencing the youth. I never met anybody wearing a Jason Kidd jersey in my life. Westbrook, though, was Jason Kidd? All over the place. Was Jason Kidd hitting them folks before every game? I don't think so.

Right? Did he make campaign a household name simply off a dance moves? I don't think so. Give me Russell Westbrook. That's fine. I think Jason Kidd is a better peak, but I guess we can go to Russell Westbrook. ranking higher all time because the MVP is, you know, it's a good nausea's resume that Jason Kidd doesn't have.

Exactly. MVP is different? No, he doesn't. No, he does not. Definitely. Hell no. Jason Kitt's better, though. I'll tell you that.

Next up. Paul Pierce or Kyrie Irving. It probably should be Paul Pierce. No, it shouldn't. Paul Pierce bids himself up enough. He's, he has enough praise for himself as it is. Kyrie welcome welcome to the club you're better easy it should be Paul Pierce but I want to link Kyrie because I just like Kyrie more ranking higher all time isn't who's better

so the thing about that who ranks higher all time it would probably go it should go Paul actually no it's it's Kyrie Kari's going to get the boost from everybody who says he's he's he's the most skilled player of all time and he has a ring and he had one of the most important shots in NBA finals history, he's going to get it. I don't know. However, 10-time All-Star, also has a ring, a bigger offensive burden on his shoulders than Kyrie had in his. I don't know why is Kyrie.

You know, I'm not a big Paul Pierce fan. Yeah, and he's had a higher level of consistency throughout his career compared to something like Kyrie who's like seen the downfall from hell in terms of like team environment and shit. don't let that final's MVP for you Kyrie I'm taking Kyrie I think it's Paul Pierce sadly

I hate that I'm saying it too he did bro he wasn't winning until Kim McGarnett got there okay what did Kyrie do until LeBron got there that's what that's what I'm saying if we're talking about like the ring

or whatever like that like even outside of the ring from both of their resumes like Paul Pierce winning what he's done it's still more impressive I thought that's all one and that's the end of the show

long as hell it's probably one of the longest episodes ever Jesus Christ It's crazy Donovan if people are so here What should they comment I have no idea You gotta pick this week

If you're still here You should comment Man comment whatever you want I'm tired We'll see you all next week Peace Monday 8 p.m. See y'all