The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put Every NBA Team's Future In A Tier List | Ep. 119

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

How bright is every NBA team's future? #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 3:53- Mo-ment of the week: Hawks vs Knicks 17:40- Tier list intro 18:14- 76ers 23:55- Thunder 25:44- Spurs 27:51- Pistons 34:22- Cavs 36:00- Bucks 38:01- Mavs 39:48- Bulls 42:52- Grizzlies 46:02- Pacers 48:55- Rockets 50:45- Raptors 52:56- Hawks 59:42- Hornets 1:04:25- Heat 1:06:02- Celtics & Lakers 1:10:50- Timberwolves 1:16:35- Knicks 1:18:15- Clippers 1:21:48- Suns 1:24:07- Nets 1:27:28- Magic & Wizards 1:29:52- Pelicans 1:32:48- Trailblazers 1:33:23- Nuggets 1:38:08- Jazz, Kings, Warriors 1:40:58- tier list recap 1:42:21- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mo, what is that on your lap? I was ready to do their typical intro and I saw something that you're holding. I need you to explain that. Ah, man, this right here is a bowl that I got from the Madison Square Garden. Right here, I ate this up. It was like some fries or whatever

while I was watching the masterclass. I saw Jalen Johnson, Trey Young, Dyson, Dyson Daniels, go ahead and destroy demal, as ingest and digest the New York Knicks hearts, souls, and all their aspirations of that playing game. This is what this bull represents right here. And it's being a part of the set. The last supper of the New York Knicks.

Exactly. Exactly. It was amazing. I told you guys yesterday on Twitter, if you guys follow us, I'm going to be insufferable today. I went up to your hood. I went up in your trap and we stole your hearts. Nick's fans obnoxious.

That was the craziest, most lit, but also craziest, disgusting, most unhinged environment I've ever been in my entire life, bro. And I've been a lot of places. Madison Square Garden, see these guys say fuck Trey Young, any time, any opportunity that they had with just like pure hate. I ain't a lot. But it made me happy because I'm just like, wow, like this is real basketball in a sense. Just pure hatred, not for him as a person, but just like, whenever.

he's actually on the court, it's just, fuck that guy. I'm listening to you talk, and I'm just looking at Donovan's face. Just like, this is hilarious. Look at his lip. What, that fucking look off your lip. I face-time Donovan last night, and I screen recorded it. He don't know. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yeah, yo, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, relax.

Relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax. I was, I'm not here. Man, listen, I've been sick for the last three days. I've been on mad medicine. Shut up. I have been, too. I know. Who cares?

I'll tell you that in confidence. All right. We're going to talk about that. The incident is going on. We're going to talk about a lot today because as you guys see about that title, we are going to put every single NBA team. Can't talk. Every single NBA team's future into a tier list. How bright is the next five, ten years for each individual organization?

I love this wide spread knowledge. Yeah, we're going to talk big picture, the biggest picture possible. Where are these teams going? Are they doomed in the future? Is it looking bright, et cetera? Before we get into that, do us a favor, drop a like to subscribe. Do you ask everybody a doom or boom? Let's do it that way.

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I would like to hit the Top 10. Hey, I ain't going to lie. Like three weeks ago, we were like top 40. Great, happy to be on the charts. Then I just showed me the charts and how they worked. I was like, oh my God, we are 26. Can we like be top 15, top 10? Like you said, holy shit, could potentially be top five?

Y'all need a tap in. I want to see it. Yeah. Yeah, I started posting the video there too. So if you're watching on Spotify, you can, if we're doing some visual, you can switch to the video and audio on Spotify now. Overall, caring a lot more about that. So if you guys around those numbers for us, you appreciate it. Let's do it. this to your list. Before we get into the main topic, Mo, I believe you have a moment of the week you like to talk about. I don't know what it is, but go ahead and tell us. The Atlanta Hawks are back for now. Surprise, surprise.

We just talked about this. We just spent like five minutes on this. Shut up. Mute this guy's mic. All right. This is not your turn, but talk. All right. This is moment. Moments of the day, not Donovan moment of the day.

Moment. Exactly. So highlighting the moment of the week are the Atlanta Hawks. So far this week day. had a record of three and one, obviously one of the better records in the entire NBA. They just got off of a long win streak or one of the longer win streaks in the entire NBA right behind the Dallas Mavericks. And they had highlight wins against Los Angeles.

Lakers went ahead and they looked the Milwaukee Bucks in the eyes, snatched their lunch too. And most importantly stamping this is going up against New York Knicks in a elimination, what's called Emirates The Emirates NBA Cup NBA Cup Put some respect on their names How many times are we got to do this? We respect oil money

You got it you got it Along with oil money I'm starting to see the NBA respect Or really not even the NBA The Atlanta Hawks respect The defensive end So far in this Tray Young Air This has been by far in a way

Like the best defense That this team as a whole Has played ever And the last time the Atlanta Hawks Has seen this level type of defense being played. None of us had like facial hair on our at all. This is back in like 2018, 2017, back when Dwight Howard was in Atlanta Hawkboro, Dwight Howard. I'm talking about Dwight Howard in the big year in 2024 playing basketball. Okay, so it's been a while.

You're a late bloomer. I mean, we are, we had a little bit of fishery in 2017. You know, a mustache in 2018? No, I did not. I was like, my face was made smooth as a baby's butt. I'm a Mexican. I've had a mustache since I was like 11. So over the last 15 games, Atlanta Hawks have a top nine defense, bro. Top nine defense. Since Thanksgiving, this is the best team in the NBA. This is crazy to say. And as a Hawks fan, I'm here for it.

Yeah, man. But coming to the season, I was high on the Hawks. And of course, you were being a Hawks delusional fan every single year. But this year, I was like, I think you're right. I think they're going to be better than people think. But even that was just a seven seed for me. You know, I was like, I'm higher on them, but I don't think they're going to be amazing. and the reason I bought in is for everything you mentioned.

The defensive end, you finally see a vision where they have four or five, six, eight to six nine wings that can just switch everything around Troy Young and just give them that infrastructure. We didn't really see that kind of fruition the first 15 games or so. It was looking kind of slow, mostly because of injuries. But now they're healthy. Now DeAndre Hunter is just, of course, the sixth man of the year playing like a goddamn star off the bench. Richie is comfortable.

Dyson Daniels emerged. The center rotation is the center rotation. You know, everything is really come into place. And we're seeing that vision, like, fully, fully come together now. Absolutely. You guys keep talking. If you think I'm going to talk about this team or not. Like, you guys can just have a little conversation.

You think I care about, you think I care about this team that outcome on these funny little courts. We don't care about these, the Halloween courts. We don't care about that. I'm not, I'm not discussing them. No. Oh, well, let's discuss this goddamn New York Knicks. Let's discuss how there's. I'm not talking about that either.

Let's talk about all these trades. They traded a million first round picks that bought in two. max contract and they still have nobody that can create a shot outside of Jalen Brunson. And when he gets locked up and there's a cold game because he's adjusting to a all-out defense on him, what do they have? They have McHale Bridges, not living up to six first-round picks. They have cat, shooting jumpers, not looking at his rhythm because they're switching everything on him.

They have Ogen, Nobi. Not going to say anything bad about you because I love you. And that's about it. Tell me about that. Tell me about the campaign minutes. Let's talk about how your old man is falling off a clip right now out on the other side of the country. Let's talk, let's talk about that.

All right, Mo, real quick, I might be confused. I might need you to clarify for me. But is this not moment of the week? And this is not a moment of the week, not New York Knicks versus Atlanta Hawks? Yeah. Am I, I am I am I. Let's get into the episode. You are correct, I fear.

We have literally 28 other teams that we need to talk about and we need to go. I like talking about these two. No, we have a, listen, we have a history and people understand that like normally we get caught upon like the first one to two teams. Let's keep the show moving. all right let's stay caught up we gotta say on top

no okay real quite genuinely what did you see when you watch this game did you see anything like surprised you about the Atlanta Hawks that you really

didn't have an eye for until this game happened or what? No not really I think like I think what what surprised me

or what I saw the most was obviously just like the third quarter turnaround because the Knicks were in control in the first half

like they had it and you look like you look at the highlights right now they had a half-time lead. And so that third quarter, they couldn't really get anything. I think Kat got into, not like, obscene foul trouble. He got a little bit into foul trouble.

And it wasn't like taking him completely out of the game. But there's times where Atlanta's perimeter defense really, really showed because the threes that the Knicks were getting, like you go three for 19, three for 16, wherever they were in the third quarter, sometimes you can look at. that and just say, okay, there's like, there's a lid on the roof. It's not doing anything. Atlanta was forcing them into a lot of really, really tough threes to close out the shot clock. And that's just, you know, that's just a way that they did it. I didn't think that there was really anything massive to take away from it on the next side because also this is

kind of who they've been the entire year. Like they haven't been able to put teams away. Like you've seen them battle with Charlotte. You've seen them battle with Chicago. All these, like, we keep thinking about the NICs as the upper echelon of the East, they are not that. The East is very much Cleveland and Boston, and then it's everybody else. And that's kind of where they're at. You know, obviously Atlanta-Wama defense, that's kind of been the prerogative lately. They've been really killing people with their athletic wings. The part that was a little different in this game, but I don't think they normally do is they got offensive rebounds on 40% of their misses.

They punked the shit out of the Knicks down low. Onyako Kongu had like six offensive rebounds Shadow Runeuka we had many talks about him the highs and the lows he's not typically this beast down low on the offensive boards DeAndra Hunter was killing him there too

Jalen Johnson was out physicaling them maybe that's just something that we're going to see as a big strength of the hawks coming in now they're more healthy and have all these athletes but I kind of saw it more as like this is an issue with the Knicks they're kind of looking a little Sharman down there Well that's that's a part of the

of the team that is obviously gone Now that Hartnstein is gone and we haven't had Mitch Robinson, you have those two bigs from last year's rotation that are out and that's a massive part of, you know, what the team's identity was. And if you saw like two or three plays ago on this highlight tape, you had a lob to Njaka, that's something that Atlanta was able to exploit last night because Tray Young is a really good pastor, but also something that you've seen throughout the season, which is Kat is just

such not a presence vertically to like stop you. to stop these lobs. And any time Trey Young was able to get downhill, which if we want to talk about the biggest issue with the New York Nakes and the entire team construction, it is the fact that Mikhail Bridges is not a great defender anymore. He's a clone. The only way that this works is if O.J.

Anniobie and Mikhail Bridges are the two best wing defenders in the league. And OG is doing his job. He is hooping every single night on both ends of the floor. Mikkel Bridges is not doing that. And so because of that, Tray Young was able to get to wherever he wanted. He was able to get to his spots. And once he gets you in that in-between zone,

now he's getting a floater doing exactly this right there, pulling cat up, putting him in conflict. Pulling cat up, getting him in conflict, and throwing a lob right over him. And so whenever you get to the other, you know, good teams in the East, and maybe even in the playoff series between these two teams, Trey-Ung. And look what has happened, though.

Look at this. What? Mikel starts on him. Talk to me. And look what he does. They come up and do this. They're trying to get into a handoff with Dyson and McHale lunges at the pass wasn't even close. And so Tray just has a downhill easiest, like, there's nothing Kat could do about this.

He has to rotate and OG doesn't get back to stop the lob. But why is Michael jumping at the pass like that? Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's ridiculous. So if we are talking like big picture about the Knicks, that has been the biggest issue with the Knicks is Mik's. the Knicks is Michael Bridges defense and the fact that he is no longer that guy on on that end of the floor and so everything else defensively just can't work around it and it's not even

just that McHale isn't that guy defensively because you could live in a world where you have OG who could maybe be the best defensive wing in the league if you want to give him that title and McHale who's fine you could live with that but the problem is even as good of a defender as Josh Hart is when you have Kat who's obviously not a good defender himself he makes it's not just that they're bad is that cat really limits the type of defense you can run you don't really want to switch cat so you you're not going to do that as a primary thing

and you don't really want him to play super aggressively up high on screens to make him most comfortable you want to drop and if you're going to run a successful drop coverage with a guy like cat you need a demon fighting over screens you need a very good point of attack defender that can blow screens up a Drew Holiday a Jalen Suggs that have a guy

and they don't have that at all like Michaela's not good fighting over screens That's the main issue why he hasn't been good defensively, not Josh Hart's specialty either. It really limits your versatility. You don't have many styles you can go to with cat as is, and his best style is one that does not suit your talent at all. Yeah, so it's not a fantastic situation. And then on top of that, we've seen in the past, like Jaylon Brunson has been able to get his shot off on a lot of different people. However, there are some, there are sometimes, and you've seen it throughout the league,

very small guards who are not the most athletic guards. So when you don't have Derek Rose, Deerrin Fox, like, level athleticism, and you really rely on, like, angles and screens and getting into certain spots on the floor, you can go out and you can throw length on them and you can disrupt them. And that's exactly what Dyson Daniels. Dyson Daniels, man, he's, he's first team. He's not going to be Deep Hill while. He's first team.

And he is, and he is fantastic. And he made life health for Jalen Brunson last night. And that's something where if you're playing like the Celtics, That's something that can be an issue for Jalen Brunson when you have Drew Holiday and Derek White or Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum. You just have a litany of these long, range of defenders that you can throw on your one-shot creator. And now you're asking Kat to, and for Kat's credit, he's done a lot of this this year. He has been a great offensive player, but you're asking Kat to be the best offensive player on your team in a playoff series in high leverage moments. and that's not what you want, you know, out of your championship level team.

So it's not a great situation right now. It's not a great situation right now. Once again, I will state we don't care about these funky courts or this, you know, this WAC tournament. I don't care about it. I only care about it if we win, but it is what it is. Nah, I am cheat to cheek right now because all this despair has been highlighted to the broadest level, broadest scale.

This is like peak spotlight caused by my team. Caused by Trey Youngheed. I will say, I will say your team defense. Shout out. Shout out to Trey. I love to hate him. He is the, he's the best villain in the NBA. And it's a, it's a role that has been missing for a long time.

And I lokey do wish that the Hawks were better so that we can see it more consistently. But Trey, Trey, and I don't even. mean that as like a shot or anything but like he he leans into it and we haven't talked about this yet the fact that treyo rolled dice on the logo oh my goodness somebody has to fight two weeks ago two two weeks ago right in college football everybody was talking about like flag planting and there was all these fights there should have been a fight at half court you cannot come into my house into my truck roll dice and steal my money i can't have that we can't stand for that no dog I go, that is a moment that I was waiting for.

Trey took two dumb deep threes, and I think he was trying to roll the dice a lot earlier. But once the game officially, he was like, okay, well, I couldn't get those shots to go in. He was, I just got to go ahead, roll the dice on the court. And I was according, because I'm like,

I knew he would just do some level of disrespect on the court, and I got that on my phone, bro. The funny part is he talked about he planned this before the game with his brother. So I know for a fact, he was taking those late shots, and he was like, this is the one, this is the one, brick, fuck. This is the one, brick, fuck.

Like he was ready to go out there. That shit was rehearsed in his mind. Yeah. And that's okay. That's what you do when you're a villain. You know, you have to have a lineup of how you're going to attack your opponent. So shout out to him.

He got that round again. And we'll see you. Listen, we'll see you in April, right? We'll see you in April. All right. We'll see. All right,

that's moment of the week. We're not going to talk about the rest of the season tournament games. We'll talk about that on the next stream whenever we're going to be preview in the finals at that point. So we're talking about the whole bracket leading up to it and what we've seen. now let's get to the main part of the episode we're gonna put every single NBA team's future into a tier list let's just start with those two teams

if we could if it's not clear when we say put their future we mean like how bright their future is in the way that when a team has a lot of young players you can project they're gonna be really good five years from now and kind of extend that that's a bright future and a team that you know trade all the draft

picks has old stars whatever may be the opposite in that's looking like a D or F tier I don't know you want to start and knock out Actually, no, let's start with, they're in this order right now. I want to start with the first team on here before we get the ones we just talked about. Okay. Let's do the Philadelphia 76ers first. Where are we putting them S through F?

How bright is their future? See, this is all about perspective right here. Basketball-wise, you can look at me and say like a D because their best player and the best part of the franchise right now, Joe and Bede, is out and you sign Paul Joyce to enormous contracts. But if you're a thinker like me, yo, in terms of marketing and- thinker like me yeah in terms of like

thinker guys you got a big ass fucking brain he might think he got a big out of the court off the court yo you got Jared McCain he is a Hall of Fame

he is a Hall of Fame marketer right now bro Swole and skull is fucking crazy yeah oh shit I'm sick okay

yeah you have some like Jared McCain Look, you're all sunshines, you're giggling. Someone like Germicane acquires in demand so much attention on all social media platforms, he is the face. That may not be what they want, though, because the team is going to suck in about three years. If Embed's knees are as cooked as, like, as we think that they are, it's not going to be a pretty situation. You have Paul George under contract for the next four years.

He's making mad money. He's already gotten hurt twice this year with the same injury with the same, you know, hyper-extended knee. We've obviously talked about all the Embedd's stuff. Maxie, as much as we like Maxie, I don't think that he is 1A lead your franchise. You know, everybody get on my back and I can carry us to the sixth seed in the Eastern Conference, all that stuff. So right now, like if you are the Sixers, the future of your franchise rest in Joel Blamee's knees, which if we were like, if we were like barbecuing, they would have been in the smoker

for like 10 hours already on like a, yeah, on like an overnight, you know, 16 hour type of thing. They're already like 65 percent. I'm opening the thing up. I'm sprits in it. I'm doing all that. That's, that's what. Get your orange juice? Yeah, the apple, you know, apple cider, after juice, all that stuff. That's what his knees are at. And so now it's like, do we believe in these two small guards to really carry our future. Not too sure, but... Well, here's the thing. I don't think there's a world where those guys are relied upon to lead the team,

but let's say Joel and Bede has... Let's say he gets healthy and he has two more great years, just being generous. And then, you know, then it gets downhill fast. You start to see the role to deteriorate and it goes how it always goes with aging stars of his size, right? And Paul George is just going to fucking be there, making a lot of money as an old man. probably he can probably scale down to a role player

so he'll be useful in some regard they're going to be entering like a quasi rebuild right in a couple years once droll and be cooked you have a Tyrese and you have a Jerry McCain but they're going to be in a place where they have to start retooling and trying to get the next guy so does it excites you that you have Tyrese and McCain who could be like

the supporting cast ready for when you can eventually get the next guy you might deal with some really shaming years trying to get to that next guy but you have some pieces in place that when you can finally find who that is however you get to that avenue you have like an end between ground. Yeah, that's why I can't put them in F because there's still a way for them to,

like, there's still things that you're excited for as this team continues to go and grow. And or the trade chips. Or Tyrese could be a great trade chip in a few years. Like there's something there that they can't be higher than a D, I think, just because this era of them is seemingly coming to an end. And no matter what, you're going to have to reset in some regard, which is never pretty. So that's not a bright future. You can eventually get to a bright future once you go through a rebuild, but knowing

there's impending tank years probably they can't be higher than D to me. Yeah. D is fine. They can't be an EFSA because Jared McCain is there and he opens up a whirlwind of possibilities because at this point in time like who knows what his potential is. We're not, I'm not going to go over here and say like

he can be the star of a franchise and lead your team. But in terms of what he is right now, I think C may be a little bit too much but for what he is right now, along with Tyrese Max in his youth, I'm fine with putting him D. I'll be okay with like C if Paul George was like if he had like three or four is left three or four years left with like all-star is level

of play i'll say i'll say i'll say this i'll just don't know i'll go see just because you could be bad and have no and have really like no way out nick nurse is still nick nurse is still a good coach darrell morey has proven time and time again that he has if nothing else been adaptable and has been able to to create different versions of teams and so So Mori and having Nick Nurse and having Darry allows your franchise to go in a couple of different directions. And like Isaac said, Maxie and McCain, and maybe more so Maxie than McCain being a trade piece.

And if you get two years down the line, maybe somebody's, you know, trying to make a push. Do you need one year of Paul George to be your third option at that point? Do you think that you can somehow flee somebody into, you know, trading for Joel and beat? after this year maybe there's a couple avenues for you to do it's probably there's there's worst spots to be it I think we go see but we'll see how it shakes out they could go down to d just because again if you have 90 million dollars a salary in joellen beat and paul george that are soon to be past their primes that could get spooky but they're not see for now but be prepared to move them down if we start to see things shake a certain way yes okay let's let's

kind of set the meters another end now s tier obviously We can go like, I don't know the Timberwolves because they have Anthony Edwards so low. No, I know so young. No, I don't I don't have I don't have the Timberwolves in this day. I actually think that they're debatable really I think that like a clear S tier would be like Oklahoma City. Yeah, you could say oh yeah okay C and you can put the spurs alongside there as well because brightest stars and like capital picks I also had them I also think that that's kind of debatable. My S tier is my my my steer is very like small. Okay. Well one you're shipping on that but we'll get to that. Thunder, obviously, S-tier, right? That's an easy one to just say that they have all the picks in the world. They have an MVP caliber player, two more stars, all the flexibility you could possibly imagine. They honestly might have the brightest feature of any team in NBA history. When you think about the way they're set up for the next run, obviously, like the team that just drafted LeBron James or whatever, like besides that, they have one of the brightest possible ways to look at for the next five years with how they're set up. Yeah, of course.

I think there was a survey that came up. out just a couple days ago, all 30 GMs voted who has the best front office and OKC came up at the very top of that and then right behind that. I think it was the teams like the Boston Celtics and Miami for whatever reason. But yeah, everyone at league wide also believes like OKC in their front office like that. They pulled off the literally the greatest rebuild of all time and they didn't even have like the most tantalizing assets to start off with back then and Paul George and Russell Westbrook. So what they've been able to do, the Shays of the world, Chet, J-dub,

bro, all the insane role players their lottery pick that didn't even touch Nicola Topic, didn't even touch a quartz just yet, too? I forgot about it. Their S-tier. Yeah. S-tier. Okay, that one's simple enough. So let's talk about the Spurs. To me, the Spurs are obviously

goddamn S-tier. They just drafted a Victory Woman Yama. They have all their future first-on picks. They have Hawks picks. They have a Timberwolves pick looming as a trade asset over the next coming years because it's really far down the road. No, zero feature picks. they have some young guys around Wembe it's not an amazing young court yet but it's

something as those guys developed together I don't know how could that not be S-tier they have Victor Wemagnamo who's probably already top 15 player in the world in the second year we think it's top five pretty goddamn soon that's S-tier to me obviously it's not O KC because they're one of the fucking craziest features ever but Spurs deserve it too

yeah so like whenever I was thinking about it and I had like the Spurs for me they were at the top of a tier so if you want to put them in S-tier that's cool I think for me I was just just thinking like it's I want I was thinking that like ST was more about the teams who already had the infrastructure like that was kind of the advantage so like okay C already has the pieces in house and there is why I would hate to see it and I don't think that it will happen there is a world where San Antonio kind of fumbles it and the picks that they put around Wembe don't pan out

and then their you don't see proof from the pudding I understand yeah and so that's that's the that's the that's the only like advantage but if you want to say s there are some teams i can bump up to s for yeah and the spurs i think i'm with you let's be let's be let's be let's be let's be greedy with how we hold s tier in and we really like are choosy with it i'm with you there i think the spurs probably have a case because wemby is so generational that's and they have those extra picks that aren't theirs coming in so they have like they have like two star trades available to them in the coming years like they have lots of moves to make so there's a very small chance that completely flumble i think but i'm with you with like the other team we said

with another young star that maybe that don't deserve us for that reason okay yeah yeah we'll put the spurs in next to that yeah the spurs is one of the few teams in the NBA to just have like limitless possibilities due to the oneless potential wemby and they have like a few things going on that's just like yeah he's a legit NBA player who can actually do impactful things in this league whether be devon december or step on other guys we're doing to go with the pistons obviously really deep Yon K looks good this year. The numbers are getting better. I think he looks good, but doesn't look to me like true superstar. You know, the turnovers are still a problem. The scoring numbers are up. The efficiency is still at the rim and stuff. So like I feel like he's become like a low level

All-Star guy. He'll probably make it this year. But I still don't think he's like the number one pick that we hoped he could be when he was drafted in terms of like future top 10 player. But, you know, they have guys around that. They're starting to come together. They have a competent coach. You could really go a lot of ways of them how y'all feel it's like you could either put them in the same territory as a team like the philadelphia 76ers because like no yeah because like they have guys in place but also at the same time they haven't had the guy just yet like who kate cunningham could like stumble his way into a a playoff or my playoff appearance my bad an all-star appearance but like he's not necessarily dominating and controlling the league and i can say the same as i think when it comes

it's a Tyrese Max here. Now, they do have like a plethora and school role player or young players there who knows what they could turn into. So just based off of that, I could comfortably put them in B. But if their reality ends up being C, then I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, I think they need to be a tier above the 76ers at least. Maybe that becomes their C and 76ers or D. But I think Kate, Kate is a great player.

Or let me say this. Kate is a very good player. I think they're entering. I think he needs to be your second star. I don't think he should be the best player in team when you hit the point where you want to contend but having a star in your team that's good enough to be a second star

is still a good accomplishment not every team has that so and again I might be wrong he might keep getting better but I think if you have star two in place a lot of pieces and picks to eventually get star one however that comes and just a lot of other bites at the apple

with young guys like Ron Holland Jay Navi has some promise all this stuff to me it's at least B at least B I think A you had to have a star star star star So to me, they're exactly B. Wow, I don't, I don't, maybe I'm just too low on the pistons and maybe I'm, maybe I'm just being too hard on them because I kind of see them in like C territory.

Okay, but if you see them in C, do you see Sixers in D? Like, or do you feel like they're in the same category? Well, I think so, so we put the Sixers in D. I think like we said, there's a world where by the end of the year, Philly could be in D. Right. Like we can, we can find out more information about everybody's health. you know, whatever, and we can get to February and all of a sudden I feel even worse about Joel and Bede and Paul Joyce than I do right now. So there's that with the Pistons. I think that

like if, if right now they're on pace for like 30 wins and like a shout out to them. This is kind of where a lot of us kind of thought that they were going to be like a year, two years ago whenever they first got money. So they kind of feel behind schedule. But also if you know that Kate is not going to be your number one guy, then I feel like there's a little bit of a ceiling when you are talking about moving forward. I don't think they know that, though. I think I said that as like my opinion on him as somebody who loves Kate Cunningham, but is starting to see some limitations that I think he should be a second star.

He doesn't have to be like they could keep building around him as their best player. He's not a lost cause. Like he's going to be an all star. He's looking better. I'm just trying to like adjust. expectations a little bit, but I wouldn't say, the way you framed you right there made it seem like Cades a bust in some way, which I know you're not getting at that, but that's the kind of territory you're at when you say, like, I know I don't have the guy. He still could be

the guy. You know, if you're going to be a second star, you could very well keep getting better. In my mind, too, the bigger issue is like, okay, you have someone who's just a guy who's who can be a guy in general, first star, second star, whatever it is. I just like, I like to look at the youth depth chart and see how many very quality role players that you've been able to acquire over these last four or five years or whatever it's been their tank. And to me, it feels like one of the most unproductive tanks in quite some time. Like this bad consistently, you only have one person who's like, yeah, he's going to be a part of our roster for a long time. And that's Cade Cunningham. Jay and I'd be obvious, he's improved. But he's still

not like called one of the best young players that the league has to offer at all. So that's why I'm like now, I'm like, in terms of, like, quality of players and their genuine, like, spot in the league, I'm starting to feel like, damn, should they be C? Because the Sixers got two guys who's like, they're here. But don't forget, Asar and Ron Holland are also still very raw bites of the apple that could be really good. That's too early to tell. Like, the Sixers don't have those type of gems towards the bottom of the roster that could be something. And maybe Gillen Duren gets better. Eventually, if the defense comes around, he could be tantalizing.

Right now, he can't defend anything in a picking role. But I think there's a world where he gets good. So, like, there's just, again, unknown zone always shape out into anything. It could very well. They don't panning out. But there's enough of those bites the apple. He liked it to have a little more credit. Okay, so I think Moe's right.

Well, okay, so both of you are right. If you are looking at the pistons from a very optimistic point of view, yes, they can be B. However, like Moe said, they, over the last five years, the talent that they've accumulated is not that good and they also don't have a great history of developing great, great players. So if you look at it from just what their track record is, I'm just

looking at the pieces that you have and look at what you normally do with talent and it doesn't look that bright. Like I think that the Pissons need a clear cut. You win. Sounds like you guys want to go see Pissons fans. I tried I tried Pissons fans, but listen, they fucking hate you. Point your anger at them. They hate you

in your existence and they want you cry. I want them to be good. They're just behind schedule right now. Yeah. I just don't feel great about them. Exactly. Maybe if I saw more out of Ron Holland so far, then I'd be like, okay, like, yeah, he genuinely looks like a guy. If he was in the rookie of the year conversation, then I'd be like, yeah, put him in beat. But they just don't have like legitimate players who have like no way of being unproductive. There's a way in where I can see someone like Ron Holland not necessarily panning out, you know, and all the other young guys too. Yeah, it's not crazy. I'm not, I'm not, this is the one I'm going to die. But they do

going to die on so yeah like i get it it's all theoretical with them and you want to for being a i guess you really want to see more hard line like these guys have panned out yeah yeah yeah so i understand okay uh the cleveland cavaliers first seat in the eastern conference uh garland and eva mowgli looking like lull of all stars this year under 25 years old donovan mitchell you know 28 year old star in his prime jerd allen very good player decent enough depth behind that where does that land you Hey, you could It's crazy because last summer We would have been like, fucking see

They need a panic But they fixed it all this year And like they deserve a good, good ranking, I think Yeah, I'm going on. Yeah, shout to Kenny Atkinson, bro. Like, regardless of what happens At the end of the day, they have someone like Evan Mobley

who looks like a legitimate all-star this year And then Darius Garan is at a bounce back season. Jail Allen is still there. So over the next five years, his game is not diminishing. You could have, it might be safe to assume the same thing for someone like Donovan Mitchell too.

their eight tier. At the end of the future, they still have in their back pocket they could trade Jared Allen who's a very bad player. They still have the option that if we see the issues that happened last year

coming up in the playoffs again and the fit doesn't make sense in the playoff setting, they have the ability to just shift things around and maintain just as much long-term flexibility. Yeah.

And the fact that they came into this season, like last off season probably, last off season could have been worse than what it was. Like there was, there's a scenario where either Darius Garland is gone or D. Mitch is like, you know what, I'm, I'm out of here.

I don't want to be here. The fact that both of them are back there, the vibes are really good. They started the season super hot. They're at the top of the East Conference right now. Like that, all of that is like, you survived a lot of the, quote, unquote, tough times that could have been your way. So I like them in a. Okay. Where do we go with the Milwaukee Bucks who have started to played better after their two and eight start?

they look like a good enough team that their season isn't cooked they're not out of the mix come playoff time but they still have a 30 year old superstar who has a style of play that you don't project to be super longevity they have an aging small point guard who doesn't have that many years left

you'd assume and a whole lot of nothing around them in terms of young talent I have a question when we say future what do we what's the what's the problem we're saying like next five years three to five years to me three to five years Yeah, let's say where you see them in five years. D tier.

Yeah, naturally, they're the classic contending team that has went all in. They put all their chips on the table, and they don't give a fuck about the future. When you have someone like, Leonis to think of Coupo, you're not supposed to give a fuck about the future. So it's like, at this point in time, there's no sight of them or Bucks fans. Like, they are one of the teams that we're talking about right now who are supposed to do everything you can to raise up that later. or Bryant's trophy. So they're like deep, maybe F. I don't even know why I'm putting deep

because they have literally no promising players. They're deep because if, if and when shit is the fan, they'll be able to trade Yannis if they so please and jump start a rebuild. And they're, even if, even if five years from now, it's terrible, they're going to have Yonis being amazing for the next three of those five years. So they're going to have enough years where you have, you have the second best player in the world that you can't be too far down.

But it will, for a fact, look spooky in five years, I think. Easily, because this entire rotation outside of Yanis is not going to be here in five years. Yeah, yeah. And again, this isn't a slight to them because, like, if we're doing where they are for the current, they've shown that they deserve better than we treated them in the beginning of the year when they were horrendous. So they've earned their respect for this calendar season. Five years from now, the same issue they're going to be there. I agree.

Okay. The Dallas Mavericks. Where are they going with Luca Donchitz, Derek lively, and a solid foundation around? S tier. S tier. This is, yeah, this is,

this is like the difference, this is the difference for me between like the Spurs and the Mavs. Is that, is that like one, like yes, Wembe is ascending. Luca's already there.

Luca's already third best player in the world. Some people might say second, right, whatever. I don't really care. You made the finals last year. You have that core coming back. And you have the guy in the league

who is, dude just graduated out of the young star category right like the 25 and under just graduated out out of there so you have you have luca for the next eight years at his at his peak that is exactly where you want to be they have to be s too and alongside luca you got like solid guys like derrick lively who you just drafted dress draft of the year two years ago or whatever then you traded for p j washington who's roughly young too and i mean that's all All you need, we have someone like Luca who's, that's like S-tier type player, like a genuinely generational player.

You have solid guys on him too. You're S-tier. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's clear his day. Just about the nature of having Luca. It's like why the Spurs are there where we project Wemby to be that good, that it's fine. Nothing else matters. We know for a fact, Luca's that good.

He's one of the most talented players of the last, what, 35, 40 years ever? Like, wherever it falls out when his career is over, he is a generational player that will be in convos that most of these teams don't have anybody that's going to sniff yeah you don't need to have like mental gymnastics and like really dissect oh how good kairie's gonna be in by by years oh is daniel gaffer gonna still have that who cares lucas that guy they'll figure yeah lucas him okay let's go the milwaukee i'm walking the chicago bulls where do the bulls belong just so hard not really like their their future they have modest they have Kobe white they have uh io they have who else my patrick williams who's

youngish and they theoretically will be able to trade Levine and Vucevich at some point for something that will be of some value. Theoretically, yes, I agree with you. Once again, the Bulls have shown us... Let's say they keep Levine though. They could just keep Levine. Okay, fine.

But like the Bulls have shown us no reason to think that they are going to manage assets properly. And I think that even out of all of the guys on their team, well, we think like low level also, like they might have like one low level all star on their roster right now maybe it's not it is this team has created itself to be an NBA purgatory over the last five years and because of that they've also set themselves up for their future to be an NBA purgatory I don't have a lot of hope for them I think this is it could be bleaker but I don't have if I'm a bulls fan I don't

have a lot of hope for what the next five years is low key listen it's dear F it might be F honestly because you said they have maybe one low-level all-star maybe Modus Bezellis becomes that he has the tools he's such a blank slate we could imagine him to be anything right now whatever way we want to convince ourselves

we can do it with Modus Bezellis but even then I like Kobe White he's not a star he's a very good player not a star none of the other guys are God knows Josh Gide is in the star they do not get credit for their future

because they had the opportunity to tear it down and rebuild which they haven't even begun yet and maybe don't want to ever begin so for all we know they could just continue to be this team for the next five years and be mid as hell

and to me they've done zero actions yet to show they have a ceiling that could make them eventually be A or S so to me their F I go ahead what we can do is like

yeah we we don't talk we really have to harp on the fact that they traded Alex Caruso and got no picks back they got Josh getting got no picks back for Alex Caruso

who for years was one of the top trade targets for all the contenders in the world. Think about, think about the halls, people who were giving up. Think about, think about the level of just, like, fit that Alice Caruso could provide on a whole bunch of championship teams and what people were willing to give up. And the Bulls are like, now I'm good on that. Like 40, 40 and 42 is good enough for me.

We need him. That is disgusting. Routinely, bro. Like, whenever you think that the Chicago Bulls have an opportunity to really, like, take advantage of the situation, they do the complete opposite. and they do the stupidest thing imaginable. And I can really go off of like, when it comes to predicting futures,

the best way to do so is like seeing how you handle situations in the past with this current regime. You still have those same minds in that, in this current regime. So I just don't trust you guys. You have no guys just yet. So I'm fine with effort. Fuck them. They deserve it up to you.

They've done nothing of merit as of late. All right. Let's talk about a team that's the opposite. Let's talk about a team that is smart, intelligent, inspiring. The Memphis Grizzly. Where do you want to put them? I'm putting them in A. Yeah.

Yeah. I think A's cool. Yeah. I think that the Grizzlies have shown that they are going to be a consistent championship contender. The only problem with the Grizzlies for me is that as much as I love Jai, he's proven that he's going to miss time every single year. And building your franchise around the guy who's always injury prone is scary. One, and also, he's not on the Luca level. He is a guy, and he has the potential to be a top 10, you know, top eight player in the league.

He's not a Luca. I don't think he has, you know, he doesn't have the same ceiling as Wembe. Not automatic right there. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, if you wanted to argue S tier for the Grizzlies, it would be because they've shown as a front office and a staff, the consistent ability to find value. As a record label and a crew.

Yeah. And a motherfucker fucking crew. Because they've shown the ability to constantly be able to find value at like every, single avenue possible. Undraft to free agents, small trades, using their G-League, using other teams G-leaks to find stars and scout there. Like every single way you could possibly make your team better. They've done that every single year. That alone inspires confidence. So the fact that they already have two All-Stars and that plus a lot of depth. Like, if you want to tell me that's S-tier, I wouldn't be upset at giving them like a positive tax for having the smartest

for an office in the league besides Presti. Yeah. I generally wouldn't, I wouldn't be too mad at that either like they already have they already have a guy i don't know what i'm not sure like jaws if jah was like i don't yeah they're really smart and they have they have the guy also level guy in jaren jackson junior and then a bunch of consistently quality players i told you that might let's let's do it let's do it let's do it if i told you in the next five years the grisies win a championship would you be surprised in a little bit we wouldn't be maybe maybe but that's just But that's just old school NBA brain of like, oh, this small team isn't going to do it. But like they are, they are good.

So yes, I'll give it to you. Grizzles, you get asked here. Look at that. Yeah. They have what, when it comes to like putting them in the estrogen, seeing how they compare. Okay, obviously they don't have a Luca Donches or a Victor Wimba, the World. And they don't have hella picks just like OKC. But they have John Moraine, who's the closest out of every player in this list so far that we've imagined to those guys.

He's the second best He's the next tier Like star quality player Alongside of that to Jerry Jackson is your bulletproof All-Star every other year If not every year for the next like Eight years of his career

Cool And then you have just a plethora Consistent Four or five I don't know about that Pletra consistent role players Who are just coming out of the Random Out the Mud Mill

Random Out of the Mud Industry or whatever that they've Pulling them out So they're there They're there They're there They're right They definitely

They have a pipeline into the mud factory that they just immediately get the guy every single time. So I know what you're saying? Yes. Okay. The Indiana Pacers, where do we go with them now that we see Tyrese Halliburton is not a top five point guard?

He's a good player, but the inconsistencies, the reality is set in a little bit. Exactly. And they have Seaccombe, who is pushing 30. He actually might be 30 now. They have Miles Turner, who plays like he's pushing 30,

Halliburton, Benedict Mathis is a good young player. And after that, a ton that's going to be there for a long time like nem hard just just good players jeres walker could be something but not a lot of concrete building blocks is that like a c or b i think they're they might be b because it's like tyrese is still good if you squint if you squint you can see b they probably should be in c though because look about this way they're not that good right now what do they have in the roshes i suggest to you they'll be way better in five years no they suck they suck they're so

annoying adding like the fact that and they they did the they did two things they did the pacer thing which is we're going to go out and get siakum because they they are also another team that never likes to be at the bottom they always want to be somewhat competitive which to their credit it's smart like you're in indiana you're never going to get free agents like that you make that money you get to fill those seats do yeah do do what you have to do but also you bought in like a lot of did to Tyrese's run last year and thought that he was making the leap so you did what you thought you had to do. But it's not great. I'm glad you mentioned that. We know for a fact they're never going to tank and do what's need to do to hit a high level. They're going to continue to be midtier

forever. They have to be C forever. They want to be C forever. That's their ammo. Yeah. Yeah. If they get to a they'll be happy. But they, I think they're happier just not being trash rather than like oh yeah we got to go all in spend all this money do all this stuff you know getting to hey yeah they don't shoot for the stars land on the moon they shoot for like the top of that building over there and it's indiana so the building's like four stories high at most they can get there every time you should none of this architectures they shoot for the top of that barn over there they live on there it's so hard if if they didn't make this pascal siacum trade and like relieve just like a couple picks or whatever

and whatever assets that they had to unload it or get Siakum, I could argue be because there's like more flexibility there. And then you also have an all-star and Tyrese, whatever you feel about that. And then Bennett-Mathor who just, who knows what he can turn into, I could argue be because,

but because Pascal Seacom is the age that he is, I can't rely on him being an all-star in the next five years consistently. C's okay with me. I think, actually, the whole east is injured Sassiaka Mike fuck around being an all-star this year

but I feel safer assuming he's never going to be an all-star again than I do that he will be in five years Easily Easily Yeah Okay next team Houston Rockets

Fresh off of a final four birth In the NBA Cup By the time you're watching this It'll be done some Maybe they won Correct name Correct name My bad my bad

The Emirates NBA Cup Because we are classy But they have a lot of young players Sang-Goon's probably going to be an all-star this year. We think a man could probably be their best player one day. Jalen Green is young. Reed Shepard is there now as a rookie. A lot, a lot of pieces, smart coach, good identity.

Where does that get them? Classic A tier. Easy Ateer. Can't be S because they don't have like the guy necessarily. But they have a lot of just great guys in general. Would it be Sangoon, Jenin Green. You listed up the names already. Tari Issen's there.

He's a defensive demon. They have a lot of quality players, bro. So many. Jabari Smith and Tyree Eastern are going to be good role players for however long they want to keep this core together. Yeah, they have the mix of star talent that could do stuff with the ball on their hands, complimentary young players,

and then swing for the fences and people like Whitmore and Reed Shepard who could be anything. That's A tier of me and the good coach to keep it all together. Yeah. And Rocket fans already, they were theorizing a lot online,

but they, the one thing that they aren't like super crazy about is the fact that they have the pieces to go get the guy. If you need to make that consolidation trade and the star gets unhappy, they have the assets to say, okay, here you go,

and we don't have to completely gut the team to go get somebody in here and then elevate them to a star level. So I like them as a tier. When Nicole Yokich grows a pair and requests a trade from the dying Denver Nuggets, they're going to trade Sangun and Menn Thompson for Yokich, and we're going to be cooking.

Oh, wow. That a man, not a man. He got to stay. I'm kidding. He's never getting traded. He's my not-invishable. Toronto Raptors where do we go with them honestly are they like bottom of a tier no no no I was thinking they could be they're they're great the first if you if you squint if you

squint maybe they could get to RJ Barrett and his performance has really moved me and I think that the fact that he is now shown up as as the player that he always thought that he could be that's fantastic Scotty Barnes is doing great they are on their way to a top three NBA pick this season like it's looking good the teams in the teams in a tier are good now already and they've shown they have they can do this for a long time there's no theoretical shit with them i but with that being said one more top five pick and i'm going to be on top of the raptors bandwagon i i agree with what they are cooking immensely i love watching scotty barnes play point guard but quickly out okay can still come back and be the off guard early

season when Grady Dick was shooting the shit out of the ball. I like what I saw from him a lot. Let's talk about R.J. Barrett. He's good at basketball now. God damn. There you go. I like, they have a bunch of other rookies from this class. Like four on the roster right now from this one draft class. Lots of bites of the Apple. A good, smart coach that has them defending with immense effort in the regular season. They're not far away from me really good.

Yeah. One or two more drafts, but they are close. Yeah. We would put them in a tier. We just need to actually see the Ws, a little bit of Ws, a line, but damn there, I'd be, I like this team a lot. I like this team. I just need to see a little bit more Ws and it's possible. They blow so many leads. They smoke so many leads. They could, yeah, if they get flag, Scottie and Flagg defensively,

flag is going to be a great, great shot blocker, a very good versatile defender at the four. You have Scottie, he wants his insane versatility. That would be disgusting. Yeah. Yeah, this is, yeah, okay, I agree. If Raptors fans want to be pissed and mad at us and put, that we didn't put the many tier, I wouldn't be upset at all. I would. Take what you can fucking get.

None of these American podcasts care about you. We give you props, accept it. You're not getting any better from us. If you're asking for too much. Okay, uh, the Atlanta Hawks. We don't go with them. They could be. B?

Um, I don't know. They have Trey Young. He's a star. He's young. They have a good supporting cast, but they don't have like the guy to help. They don't have a high. feeling, I think. Yeah, I think, I don't know. I think C because I still think that like the heart. See?

The fuck? I don't, I don't know if they have a, a vision. Like, I know, like, you have Trey Young, yes, and you have a vision for what this specific team is. I don't know, like, for five years down the line, can this team evolve into something that can, you know, when it's, how sure are you? How sure are you that Trey Young is going to be there in five years? I'm not sure.

If he is there in five years Rich Shea She is a 19 year old guy Who could develop really really well He has all the tools Jalen Johnson is gonna be this good for a long time That's a core three and Dyson Daniel That's a core four That's impressive

But Trey Young's a decent amount older than those guys There's always the smoke in the air I think a lot of it is reaching But it's not for nothing There is a world where we could look up 18 months from now And he could be on the spurs That would not shock anybody I'm 27% sure he'll be here in five years

Five years is a long time. I think it's completely meaningless. Five years is a long time. Talking about Trey Young's future right now is just like wasting oxygen at this point because we've shown known, we've shown known like indication of him like, you know, wanting out or whatever, him being unhappy or whatever it is. And even then if you want to have that conversation, okay, there's DeAndre Hunter who's around the same age as Trey Young. He's not going to be, he's not going to go anywhere by the time it's like 30, 31 or whatever. And if he's going to be this version, if you're on Trevor, whatever. But we have, similar to the Houston Rockets, we have a lot of guys.

Let's calm down on the Andro, right? No, no, no, I'll say, I'll say this. If you like your pieces so much, this is a team that in five years you're going to look up and they're still going to be the Hawks and they're still going to be 42 and 40 or 41, whatever. And so, like, if they are just going to keep banging their head against the wall of mediocrity, then, yes, I'm going to put them in C tier. Nah, it's tough. You can't put them in the wall of me key, wall of mediocre.

Why does that's who they've been for 20 years? Why are they different from the Pacers? Why are they different from the Pacers? Because we actually, Donovan, you said something that I vehement disagree. We said, like, we don't necessarily have a vision. We just found the vision. We failed.

We had super blurry vision a couple years ago when we tried to have big, lengthy guys alongside Trey, whether it be Delo Gallinari, the John Collins of the world, forcing Dionne Johnson to be the guy. You know, we found a bunch of secondary playmakers in Dyson, Daniels, Jalen Johnson,

and Zachary Riezer Susset, who can do stuff with a ball on his hands. And that is the vision. And so having that there in place is the first time you've seen a passable defense around Troy and Young You're right. And if you have that in place, along with, okay, we got the Lakers 2025 pick.

We don't have our pick for, we have a pick swap for next year. So we have a pick, but not ours. We don't have control of it. But it's not like those assets are non-existent. So we have several, a slew of young players. Jalen Johnson, he could stumble his way. onto an all-star game i'm not going to say this year maybe a little bit too soon but shit it might

happen if these guys continue to drop down like flies next year if you want to vote him out as an all-star that that is a very real possibility so if you have two guys who can consistently somewhat be all-stars the next few years alongside zach roose to say developing as a one of the better wings in the league alongside dyson jellies was just a menace defensively i just it's hard to put them below b they're there nothing you said sounds like they're going to be an elite team It sounds like they're going to continue to be a good team and they have a future of being who they are like Donovan said but I agree with you they have a vision

that much is clear. They messed it up trying to go for it but the vision made sense when they got Desjante it didn't work out with the talent. Now they got the pieces that have that same vision but actually fit. But what is the avenue to go from good to great with this team? They are too good to tank and get another star star. So you mentioned talking about Tray Young's feature is meaningless yada yada because you don't think he'll ask

for a trade. I don't think you will either. I think they might eventually be like we should trade him because he's 28 we've been the 70 for three years in a row it's real fun it's real great but it's probably going nowhere fast and he's up for another pay extension soon the timelines aren't exactly adding up we don't want to keep being the pacers forever so maybe we should decide to trade him that's a very real possibility do i want to give trade young 300 million dollars like i'm not you know what i'm saying like i'm there's so like what i'm looking at this tier list i'm looking at a lot of these teams and one thing that i'm just going to kind of you

I'll keep going back to it's like I can only I have to project on a certain level from stuff that you've shown me before and I know that like it might be unfair to teams who have been stinkers in the past but the Hawks have shown me for a long time that they are just going to be

in this like 45 to 40 win range and so I don't I don't think that they're going to be at the top of the Eastern Conference in three years the highest you can go is B they have a higher floor in the Raptors but probably a lower ceiling but to me they're like almost exactly

like the Pacers just they're currently playing better but we saw the Pacers last year playing better so like it's a flip of a coin there we could judge the Pacers on their worst day or their best day you know they both happened in the last calendar year but to me they're very similar situations

I don't think they're similar in situations because like there's legitimately we have our core five four five guys who will be a part of this roster for the next few years in terms of like the Indiana Pacers in terms of like guys who have all-star potential there's only one guy who's like

Tyre's Hall Burns who's solidified, yes, he's going to be a part of a court outside of that. There's question marks all over the place. They genuinely do not. I'll give the, I'll get the, I'll get the Hawks in, I'll go, I'll give the Hawks in like, because there's no question mark of that. Yeah, because Pascal is like the second best player. There is a question mark.

Those guys aren't superstars. Those guys are very good. They're good players at work, but you need a second star if you want to have a ceiling. And we're projecting based on like how good we think they'll be in five years. And there's a question mark of any of those guys can be good enough or get you a guy that is good enough. Maybe you're just not sold enough just yet, and that's not, I can't blame you on that. Maybe you're just not sold enough just yet on how good Jaylon Johnson could be.

Are you sold enough that Dan Johnson's going for sure be like a star? I think he's a very good. He could be an all-star. Yeah, I think you'd be a very good all-salm. Maybe you just don't see the motion. And so like. Get the vehicle, maybe you just don't, you know what I'm saying. And alongside that too, having Dyson Daniels be like a routinely like first team, second-team all-N-B-A-type player.

Like, all this team is solid. Okay. I'm fine. It's cool. Just like you're not an ambitious thinker and keep it moving. You know what I'm saying? Okay. The Charlotte Hornets.

I feel like this is another B tier. They had Lamello. They have Brandon Miller. A lot of question marks. And Lamello's health is always an issue. He's played really great this year. Got fucking hurt again. Granted, it's not his ankles.

But, you know, that's in the air. Brennan Miller's looking promising. We'll see if that continues to go. Mark Williams is the friends you made along the way. similar to the hawks i want to put them in beats here because you have guys if you want to you can't do that you there's the framework for you see the vision lamello and brandon miller is a strong foundation exactly they're behind schedule like the pistons are they should be better by now but that's not relevant we're not we're looking in the fucking towards the future not the past they got a new coach

that seems professional i like yeah make them play the right like this is not one of i like charles lee i like i like lamela i like brandon miller i like brandon miller I the lamello piece I I think I flip-flop on a lamello every single week because there's some weeks where I'm like yo like he's he is taking these strides and the the scoring volume that he shows and the ability to put that offense on on his back and you know have all the usage rate to hell with efficiency like I'm just happy to see it but then there's another parts of it where you're like this guy is an absolute cone defensively There are nights where he puts up 38 shots and you're like, okay, well, maybe, maybe that's not the best thing to do. And I'm not 100% sold on it. And so I, I don't know. That's hard. Mo, let's jump this motherfucker.

We're going B. Fuck on. Let's go B. Like, you know, Mello. Yeah, like they have the framework. If there's a vision and there's a world where you're not going to be mid, it's behind Lamello, Brandon Miller, and whatever Mark Williams might be. Okay, like, I understand, like, looking at the past and it's like not believing in this, but this is just one of those rare instances where it's just like the past doesn't tell the full context of this team.

So in five years, in five years, you have this five year arc of the Hornets and I've, let's, granted, Lamello say it's fairly healthy, whatever. What is the ceiling for the Hornets? They could be a top four or five seed routine. It's just as promising to me as it is for the Hawks of the Raptors. Yeah, exactly. they will be like good there's no way they're going to be trashed and if there is it's that's a good way to put it if you're beat here we are very confident you'll be at least good in five years see them below you could be bad d and below you could be horrible f tier go to hell

like that that's a good way to view it yeah exactly there's no way they're not going to be good and if there is some catastrophe happened there's no way in five years that you think that the horn's no no if there was no way if there's no way they'd be a tier there's some way but you're pretty confident they'll be good, which is beat here. Yeah, sure. There's a way. If there was no way,

if it was foolproof, they would be B. I feel like it's a clearer way that they're going to be bad in five years than they are going to be good. Now you're hating. Come on. Yeah,

I think you just don't believe in, like. No, I know. I don't believe in them like, not like that. I think the Hawks have a much better infrastructure right now. I think that the, I think that the rappers have a much better infrastructure than the Hornets,

now. I think that Charlotte is probably on the same tier as Detroit and Indiana. They've, they've had, like, a couple years ago, they had much better years with, like, a young Lamello where they were in the plane. They are another team that is kind of off schedule. Now, it's not 100% their fault because Lamello keeps getting hurt, but they are off schedule. Yeah, but they're off schedule. They're restarting their process. They're still rebuilding. They're not, they're not. The Hawks are too good to really keep tanking. They are who they are. The Hornets are going to keep getting some high picks. They're kind of jump start. It's not, and I wouldn't necessarily blame the mellow ball for not having another guy because they decided that, oh, we want to, like, keep Taylor's year on this roster and sign Gordon Hayward and have him, like, keep us like a mid-team. So we're going to miss out on high draft picks through the year 22, 2, 22, 23, and so on and so forth. Like, they had their own, like, level of self-sabotage. And now that those old guys are off the roster and they're just focusing on this new group, Trey Mann's there, we didn't even mention him. I don't want to talk about Grant Williams because he just tore his ACL or whatever. but there's a way in which I see this team

ahead of Philly, Detroit, and the Pacers simply because, like, Lamello's potential is a tier higher than their best players. I mean, there's a lot of hornets talk. It's a, it's a bit high, it's a bit high for me, but it's two against one, so yeah, I got it. Get jumped. Stop you out.

The Miami Heat, where do you want to go with them? Stop. Put the ass in. The half Tyler Hero might be an all-star. an all-star. Yeah. Bamadabio is not looking like an all-star, which worries me a lot more than how the hero excites me.

Jimmy Butler's on the way out, it seems like, even if they don't trade him. He's getting old. He could be free age in the summer. He's going to test that market. Jaime Hakez is going to average 11 points per game for the rest of his career. Nicole Yovet, from starting to being at the bottom of the bench now, that's up in the air. Maybe Kelow Air or something.

I don't know. It's kind of a mixed bag. It's like for the Miami Heat, they're a classic C team because you can. can't ever count them out for a real. Me personally, I'd want to, like, put them in D because if you, whenever you do trade someone like Jimmy Butler, you're not going to get a ton of assets for him at all because he's 35, 36 years old or whatever. And wherever he gets traded to is not necessary guarantee.

He's going to say so his values automatically diminish. Tali Hero is a great player, fantastic complimentary player, but he's never going to be the guy leading into a championship level team. Bam out of bio is a question mark. There's seed of me. Yeah. I'm perfectly okay with the heat being C. Yeah. They have one of the best coaches in the league. They have one of the best front offices. They have a good culture. People want to go there. Nightlife is top three in the country. You know what I'm saying? You turned up in Miami before? Huh? I know. I know. I mean, listen, you know, I go. I go a couple places. Yeah. I feel probably a little bit worse than this, but I'll give them the credit they probably deserve for C tier. Yeah. They just don't know. They just don't know. I go. I go, I go a couple of places. Yeah. I feel probably a little bit worse than this, but I'll give them the credit they probably deserve for C tier. Yeah. Yeah. They just. They just. They just I hate talking about them, but yeah. The Boston Celtics.

S2. S2. Yes, yeah. None needs to be said. Okay, let's loop in the main character teams. We've got the Celtics and S. We're going to Lakers. Same territory as the Milwaukee Bucks could be D.

I won't put them in F because they are the Lakers and players will always want to like veer towards over there. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe there was like a five-year period. They couldn't get meetings. And I think like for here's, I will put them in detail for the, for the fact that I am very, very skeptical about what Rob Polinka can do. Like it is, they are very, very lucky that LeBron was like, yeah, I'm going to go and, you know, be in LA and revive them and do all this other stuff. If you give Rob Polinka a blank slate and say like, okay, go rebuild this team, that team does not, I don't have a lot of faith.

in that process. We do a lot. We do a lot with the whole they were lucky for LeBron thing. To some extent they were.

They had a good young core and accumulated two drafts, two max spots. If they didn't get LeBron, they would have got Kauai.

They were perfectly situated for a star to come in and lead the team and make a trade for an Anthony Davis by getting rid of all those young guys. If it wasn't LeBron,

it was going to be another star. And in fact, it's almost a guarantee it would have been Kauai Leonard. He wanted to be in L.A. And he wanted to run his own team.

So you said in those five years they couldn't get meetings. Yeah, because they were starting to rebuild and they were fucking dog water. This isn't 1980. People don't want to go there just because, you know, the realities of an NBA team have set in, you got to put in the legwork to build out of team first before stars want to come. But those stars eventually came. I think they can probably do the same thing. And let's say LeBron leaves the summer or the summer after that, they're going to be able to trade Anthony Davis for a good little, good little hall if they don't decide to keep building around him. If they do decide to keep building around him, you're going to be at least decent for the next three or four years

until ADU nevily ages out too. You know, you'll be all right, probably. But I would think if LeBron leaves they get rid of Anthony Davis, too, and jumpstart and rebuild. But they don't have any blue chips yet. And even if you trade AD, you wouldn't be getting probably a blue chip player.

Maybe you could, depending on when you do it. You'd probably get a lot of future picks, which would be cool. But you can't be hired and see. Yeah. If they went ahead and traded these two first-strong picks that everyone must have flop their gums about, then I'll be like, oh, my God,

they might actually be in hell and they might have to be D. But they still got him. You can tell me C and I'll be all right. I'm not putting my faith in Ropulika. You can't put your faith in Ropulika. I don't know how long Roplinca is going to be there. But you know who I put my faith in? Jerry, Buss.

Oh, yeah. Not Jerry. What's the name? I said Jerry. No, what's the brother's name? Jesse. Jesse Buss, is I meant to say. Jesse Buss is the son of Jerry Buss and the brother of Jesse.

of all these j names fuck jesse is the brother of genie and the son of jerry he runs their scouting department and they have done an excellent job over those five years they couldn't get meetings they were drafting a good-ass young core they found a lot of quality players i think they'll do that again i they know they found austin reves they dalton connect i handed to them but they pick dalton connect who's good they found kail kuzma they found alex caruso they routinely have done well around the margins yeah they had guys like j huff and scotty pippin junior the fucking coaches didn't want to use them when they were on there's two-way contracts, but the scouting department found them. So they're not to me, like they couldn't be F, even though

they might soon lose LeBron James. I'm fine going C, but if they do trade those 2029 and 231 first-on picks like Moe mentioned, immediate D. Yeah, I agree. So it's really like contingent on those picks to me. And as a now, it looks like they might not trade those picks, so I'm fine with putting them in C. Yeah, and you said you have an inevitable Anthony Davis return if and when they blow it up all right whatever like LA tax you got it yeah and that too and there is like there is an LA tax in so far as like they're going to get somebody eventually they're going to be exciting people are going to want to play with them so even if they're shit for the next three years a few years and you're going to be back on top just because you got main character syndrome

yeah I love that you mentioned like LA's scouting department uh Jerry what's his name again James bus Jesse Jesse Jesse Jerry James Jesse yes shot All these goddamn Jays, man. Yeah. They have generally one of the more overlooked scouting departments because they, like you said it, they just consistently find random guys who are able to fulfill a role that was vastly needed every single year over the last like seven years or so. No, he needs to be running the team.

He needs to be the controlling owner because his bag is deep. They do good work over there. Yeah, I agree. Make him GM, man. All right, let's go to another young team. Minnesota Timberwolves. Where are we going with them? B. B. That's what the fuck with Anthony Edwards on the roster?

Do you have you have you have you have an man right now you do right now Rudy Obert is there aging center we talk about in five years you have an aging center you have Mike Conley right now who's obviously we know he's going to be on his way out you just had the best vibes that you had traded cat out the window you have you traded for Julius Randall he's probably going to be either resigned on a deal that nobody's going to like in three years or he's going to be gone. Dante DiVincenzo is not playing well. You have Rob, that's great.

You have Jada McDaniels thought he was going to evolve and grow. That's not really happening. The whole ownership situation, you have no idea who the owners are going to be in nine months. This team is much worse than they were nine months ago. The vibes are terrible. It is not out of the picture that Anthony Edwards is. is just a very, very good player on a team whose window was immediately opened and immediately shut. And they, there's a, there's a real possibility they missed the play in this season.

I think you're coming on to the fact of how disappointing they've been this year. And when it comes to the pieces on the team in general, they will have more flexibility because of that Julius Randallet trade. They needed that. They needed to get rid of Carons and challenges. They realize there's no real way to win a championship around. People overrate their flexibility, man. And. And they ducked the second apron. I can agree that. I can agree that to a certain degree.

That doesn't mean there's going to be great assets just because they duck the second apron. Like, there's more flexibility because second apron sucks. But they don't have huge avenues to get better because they trade the cat. Yeah, I can agree to that. But in terms of holistically, like, yo, they have opportunities and their avenues, real life avenues are created through these trades. And as long as you have like, okay, potential and you have someone who's legitimately

a top 10 player routinely over the next few years, I think they're like, Okay, but like, but if they were, so even if they kept cat and they stayed in the second apron, right? Like you weren't going to be able to make crazy trades. You weren't going to be able to get by out guys. What's the main way that they were going to have to build? You have to build through the draft, right? If they either keep trade or let Julius Randall walk, the same thing is true. They are going to have to go and build through the draft.

Regardless of where, regardless of what you think of the trade, in three to five years, when Anthony Edwards, please next year, when Anthony Edwards takes, you know, potentially another step forward and you start thinking, okay, we have to start making this run at OKC, at Memphis, at Dallas. We have to keep part with them. And as Rudy Gobert ages, you are going to have to get guys in the draft, develop them quickly, and hope that you can get a second star. And once again, Minnesota has not shown the ability to do that in the past outside of number one overall picks. they are still like in this flexible position

used to have to go do it and they haven't done it and at the day though they have Anthony Edwards we gave other teams credit like he is closer to being Wembe and being an automatic S than he is to being Trey Young and being B so I don't think they're S tier either but he is so good that you could argue he's also in that tier to me he alone

but you can't but you can't argue that they are in a better situation over the next five years than the Rockets who have a million who have a million assets and if need be can go out and get the guy who the cast who are at the top of the conference and have a trade piece in their back pockets how good Anthony Edwards is right now supersedes all that shit he supersedes all that shit what do you mean he's that much better than it does a lot of heavy looking at what dare you're 12 and 11 right now they're not talking about

the next five years right no but that but that's what that's what that's what I'm saying like they have to once again if if the Timberwolves are going to go and make an make another push they are going to have to change the fabric of their team once again. And so, like, it's going to have to be an ever-changing, like, eras for them. They're not going to have any stability. And they can do that. You have the guy. Like, if you have the guy, who else below this team has a guy that good and that guy? I can't put them in S. I can't put them in that. Yeah, no one's arguing. But they definitely belong in A, though, because they have the guy. And that's when the conversation should end. I don't, I don't know. I think, I think it's a very real podcast.

team-wise, I can... You're right, there is the possibility. And that's what we're talking about. I think that for them, it is, right now, it is more likely that they are in the five to eight range over the next five years, rather than them being in the three to one consistently out west. They're in the spot that the magic, the Mavs were a couple years ago when they were terrible and they reloaded and they got Kyrie, they got PJ Washington, they made all these moves. That's where they're going. In five years, I guarantee you they'll take their lumps for a few years, they'll be mid. will be entering his prime and they can reload and they'll be good again like yeah exactly they're

not very high yeah they're not going to be like looking to drafts like a slew of guys at all like they just need to fall into one guy who is similar to derrick lively in whatever position or whatever and like make their place through the through trades or free agency or whatever it is that's the pathway and if you have anthony edwards like it's there you have a guy and they don't have long-term debilitating deals that just ruin them like they don't have old men they don't like a Zach Levine contract that ruins their flexibility to make deals like they can trade all these guys

they can't be as it's impossible but they can definitely be A no man and there we go we're going to A tier you're going to see that okay let's just move through some of these other ones quickly New York Knicks where do we go with them they're all in their players aren't old

they're not super young where does that put them? Probably C tier I mean they the Knicks right now don't have any like top eight talent right now like you don't you don't have a guy who is like going to be that consistently you traded away all of your flexibility for mikhail bridges that's not working out well and everybody like the title window right now is very good but also as we're seeing the defense is just not championship level and you can be a very fun team in the regular

season you can score a lot of points you can win 45 to 48 games whatever you're not winning championships constructed yeah you're all in on 28 year olds so 28 year olds in five years will not be around to the degree they are now probably they'll no and this whole team yeah this whole team and also you have tibs who is known to run guys into the ground so in two years what's going to happen when all these guys are playing 37 38 minutes a night and now somebody's knee blows out somebody's ankle blows out you know knock on wood whatever but like it's it just seems kind of inevitable with the tibs lead team so ct are at best now they they are see because big market a little bit similar to the Lakers even though like yeah they're

competent now locking but like they're competent and this new regime led by Leon Rose I'm sure he's gonna be able to figure some shit out with the limited flexibility that they have I can envision a world where like okay like we've seen two playoff failures by this cat and Jim Brunson duo let's build this shit up and sell off picks and try to get back where we can I can envision a world that because he's that smart of a gym now speaking of big market teams the Los Angeles Clippers fresh into a new stadium

1,000 toilets fresh new uniforms richest owner in sports where are we going with them 1,000 toilets so that means like 1,000 people can take a shit at once basically

that's what a thousand toilets do their plumbing system must be elite bro 1,000 top of the line who yeah yeah that being said Los Angeles

Welcome to D tier yep you don't want to put them enough I think we just rename the F tier bulls because we don't really trust them ever and I think yeah the clippers are clearly

among the bottom but they're they can be right there at the bucks it's crazy because they should be C tier their biggest advantage is that they should be willing to spend the money and yet they showed us that they are going to be cheap like they they were like oh yeah we have to duck the second apron

already that should never that should I listen I understand I understand what you're about to say Paul George is a good investment. Don't pretend you want them to play Paul George, though. I, listen, I want the Clippers to do bad things all the time. However, the Clippers should never, with Steve Balmer as their owner, there should never ever be a moment where they are ducking the second apron.

They should be able and he should be willing to pay any bill that comes to his desk. The Clippers should, money should never be an option for anything that they do. and the fact that they let the fact that they either let it seriously or either that or that they like use it as the facade to get out of it that is ridiculous and it should never happen

I feel less critical of that now than I did in the summer we see what Paul George is looking like they knew that the they knew the bill was coming due soon and this team has got to be blown up in the coming years so they're like let's not even pay Paul George let's just fast track to what's next

you can't look at what Paul George has done this year and be like, why didn't they give them five years, $140 million? Yet you gave it to Kauai Leonard. I promise you to arrest that too. I promise you they're not happy about that either. Yeah. Then why'd you do it?

They gave Kauai Leonard the deal in January. You did two wrongs makes it right? You don't have to double that now? That wouldn't be better. They shouldn't have given any of them. Nobody should have gotten it. If that's the deal that you were going to do, you should have done it at all.

I'm sure they agree with you. I'm sure they don't do it. And that's what I'm saying. After giving Kauai the contract, you have committed to this core. You have committed to this era of Clippers basketball. And you have clearly said, okay, we need some type of assets on the roster because we're opening up this new arena. Paul George should be on this roster. I'm not saying now, obviously looking at it now.

What point are you arguing? It wouldn't make them better. We don't make the future brighter. Like, what are we? What's the point? I'm saying. I'm saying they look like broke boys over the summer. And the clippers, for everything that they want to do moving forward,

there should never be a moment where they either move or appear to be broke boys. And that happened over the summer. Okay. How does this affect them in the next five years? I don't know, but we can put the league. He just wants to get them off his chest. No, I've been thinking about it for like three months, bro. It's pissed me off so much.

Just wake up and they can broke. Pussies, man. But they're not. You have Steve Balmer as your owner. All right, man. Next to you. I get over. Why are you doing this?

Phoenix Suns, where are they going? They probably have also F tier as well. F tier? I don't know about F. Why? They have no control over their picks. Their owner is a wild boy. Bradley Beale has a no trade clause.

Kevin Array is 37 or he's old and is currently hurt. Yeah. again and Devin Booker has taken he's having a bad year I'm not gonna say he's taking a step back but he's having a bad year

down year whatever it's not massively promising for them well they're gonna have KD for probably at least next three years he hasn't taken a step back at all really I kind of feel like he'll be good until he's 39

so at least the next two years after this they'll probably have two superstars with Katie and Devin Booker that's you know we're already halfway through that five year mark and Devin Booker will probably get traded one day.

You know, this team's head nowhere fast. They're going to get something good for 30-year-old Devin Booker. That's the biggest asset that they have and whatever they get after this new Devin-Booker regime if that happens, that perfectly lands

a very calm seat here to me. They can't be in the big will be replenishing by then. Yeah, exactly. Like, they don't have picks right now but by the time five, six, what a seven years roll around? They're going to have the rest of a decade?

Well, seven years, I don't know why he went that far. We're seven years is crazy. But even the rest of the decade, they have half, they have another five years where they are not in control of that. If you trade Devin Booker, then it is like, I'm assuming you're probably not going to get a championship level player for Devin Booker in that moment. And so you're going to have 39-year-old Kevin Durant as the base of your team. Big ass yawn. Look at that. That was the most mighty yawn I've ever seen.

Mo let it rip. Yeah, bro. What's the, it's not super. It's not super. We can go D. They're in a bad spot. No, we can go F. What are we doing?

I'm not going, but F is like, I don't trust you whatsoever. F is for the bull. Do you not understand? Once again, they have a wild boy as their owner. What do you be a wild boy? What's wrong with it? I mean, he made some dumb early owner trades. You're asking like he's, I don't know, not say the name.

The Brooklyn Ness, where do they belong? They're in a weird spot. They got their pickback and they can finally tank again. So they have the average. to spend the next three years being terrible and they may be in good by the time the fifth year comes but they're not that bad right now so they're not going to get Cooper Flagg so

they could start tanking but they haven't started yet so they're going to be all theoretical they want to be in C tier that's I think D honestly that's what they want their best players Cam Thomas who shout out Cam Thomas he's at a very good year promising player I like him he's not your franchise building block they're going to trade these other guys and get

some like mediocre first-on-picks back they're not going to get a top three pick this year they haven't done shit to rebuild yet they're all they just got their picks back very please please please be very kind to their front office bro they just got their picks back they stated that they're selling all their guys they're high quality role players right now

I feel comfortable in putting them in somewhere in sea although they're 10 and 14 they're the eighth seed they're going to need to take the shit out of the rest of the season and trade those guys immediately they're not breaking in that bottom five trust there's fucking one two three uh four five six seven teams right now with single digit wins and four of those teams have below five they're not getting into that top four you're the

best on that shit is cooked they they sure got their pickback and did the worst thing possible after that they won too many games and it's gonna be okay they're gonna they are going to get off of these guys soon so is there a single player on this roster that will be there in five years that you're confident and will be part of the next championship team for the nuts potentially Nick Clackson maybe that's a huge maybe

but even then someone like him I would sell his ass so fast bro so we're saying is they had this bright feature because they have their pick

the simple level asset level not extra picks their pick like they have they're gonna have they're gonna have all the flexibility

in the world and New York tax yeah they have a simple playing ground somewhere like they have a playing ground and they're not like completely oh wait to the homie is this is this well i don't know his name just yet because you've been like in this side of what comes to that

but is this his first appearance on the official podcast they would have been known who this is if they tap into tc3 tuesdays at 6 p.m eastern every tuesday but unfortunately some y'all don't but this is the opportunity now who are we looking at isa cat cat Catch that doesn't have a name. They have audio listeners. I feel bad for the name. They have that they kept for weeks. No, I don't.

Because if they're on Spotify, they can switch over the video right now and see this animal, this feline on my lap. They can see it themselves on Spotify now. Looks like a happy cat too. Are we going to C or D for the Nets? Because they haven't done shit.

They have nothing going for them. But the teams in D right now are like not neutral. They're fucked. So maybe the Nets being neutral. That's what I'm saying. C is super neutral because the Nets. The Bucks don't have no picks. Clippers don't have no picks.

And the Phoenix don't have no picks either. so that's how I'm like they're at even level playing field they're at sea okay yeah this C tier's getting too big I think it's gonna be off the screen now I know

I guess you need to be meaner a little bit yeah well we'll maybe move people around at the end the Orlando Magic A tier A tier I don't think we don't got to talk about too much they have two star wings A tier immediate A tier Who next? I forgot I'm taking timestamps

Yeah they're A tier Who else is an automatic Nobody else is automatic A tier Okay, the Washington Wizards. It's so weird. No. There's no infrastructure for them to be beat here just yet. B-tier is like there's a pathway and they have a guy.

They've shown the flashes, though. Not really. I've seen flashes from the Detroit Pistons, too. What the fuck makes me want to put them? What flashes have the wizard shown? Yeah. I mean, Jordan Poole's played well. Balli played well for like six games.

Now he doesn't make buckets anymore at all. Alex R is a rookie, so we don't know anything yet. There's been almost zero flashes. they're going to get that pick they're going to get flag yeah it's just thing they have they're going to get a topic this year which is like you have you have guys on that roster that can be very very good rotational pieces and they are set up to get a foundational piece in in the draft obviously we'll see what happens we'll see what adam wants to do it with the ping pong balls but they're in a good situation yeah they're they're solid but not they don't have the guy yet and the guys

in b all have a guy so i feel like this is another c there's somebody C's let's put the sixers down to D tier I think Are y'all cool with that? Put the sixes in D tier? Some team in D tier? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, put him in D tier.

Okay. The wizard, the wizard C tier. What the fuck was that noise? He's made. It's not like the meme. I'm uncomfortable. That's why. Did the Lakers reserve D tier?

Yes. I think Let's put all these old fucks in D tier. The Lakers in the Knicks. If the Lakers are D tier, put the Knicks in there too. Don't you, damn. Have to. No, the Knicks at least have a brighter in next two years than the Lakers do.

This is about five years, though. This cat is tweaking. She's like a head buddy, my mark on it. How do you get to five years? How do you get to five years for the Knicks? No, just like, count to five. Just calendar? Time goes on.

Like you have to go two years into the future to get to five years. I'm sorry, brother. I am a crayon eater and I do not know how to do math. Sorry. I just know fine. At least a tier of both. Okay, that's fine. The D tier is clear.

The team's full of old fucks, so that's fine. Okay. The New Orleans Pelicans. F tier. They can't be F. They can't be. Why? They have a lot of picks, though.

They have a lot of picks in like. They have a lot of picks. They have Trey Murphy. They have Jean-Tie Murray. They just have a lot of good players. I know Zion is been disappointing, so it's not going anywhere right now. But they are, they have a clear path.

to retooling and maybe that involves Zion maybe it doesn't whatever whatever way it goes they have too many valuable players in the roster to be yeah super low in terms of like expectation that we like had on them and their individual team success or players to success success a hey guys like Zion Williamson yes like they've been even very disappointing but there's a way out of this hell they're not why would the Nets be above the Pelicans yeah exactly they're not cap blocked at all you'll see we will see I would say the only reason why i'm like this in five years the the the pelicans i think when you are attached to a guy like zion as being your your number one guy you have two avenues which is either

keep you know keep rocking with him as your number one guy and see what happens and up until this point is not given any reason for for optimism or two kind of tear it down and i don't think that they have leaned in or given any indications that they're going to like tear it down and so if you're just going to keep rocking with Zion throughout the remainder of his contract what are you you're going to be just like eh yeah eh is C tier there you go

now they got to be worse than that though I don't think they do they have a lot of young eyes they can retool fairly they're not in a hole did you not have old guys that are going to lead and they have nothing to show for I feel here's what I feel like we should do I think that we need to make another cheer put the bulls all the way at the bottom and then

actually have like an FD C you're saying there's too much variation in C tier yeah who okay so who do you think is above C tier if you if you if you if you just think the pelicans deserve D then that's not a good argument no if you just yeah exactly if anybody in this C tier

deserves to move in general it's the pelicans and you can bump them with them B because they're just insane amount of like possibilities I'm not putting the penalty and I don't want to do that either yo Zahn Wimps is not retiring like it's been tragic it's been terrible he's not literally nothing obviously we don't feel good about the situation

but we're talking like he's like he's not Brandon Roy yet we're not he's not fucked completely you're getting too ahead of yourself on the Zion hate I think and I understand because I'm also just broken on the inside but we don't gotta pretend

that he is fully done it's over what's the ceiling for Zion at this point who the fuck knows it could be nothing but we don't know like it's so in the air still that man I'm not excited about it The man is going to be on the sideline wearing emoji sweatsuits for the next three years.

Like, it's not going to be good. Okay. Poorly Trailblazers. This is so weird. They're in the middle of a rebuild. Like, oh, yeah, this word just laughed. What are you even, what are you even pinpoint? They're so weird.

Yeah. Like, I don't know. If we're being, like, if we're being fair, they probably deserve to be along in the same playing field as the wizards in terms of like yeah you got picks you got your action for baby and Lillard yeah put him next to the wizard that's fine I guess but it's like you know yeah not fun

sure they can be the wizards okay the Denver Nuggets they should be in D tier but they have okay so put them in C I think I mean they honestly in the world for five more years

they might that's that's at least B tier like they're gonna need to shuffle. Yolkich is genuinely like that. In my mind, he can be a top 10 player of all time. You can put him in B simply out of the strength of Yokic. But they have also like 100% shown that they are broke boys. And that, that legit is like, okay, we don't have the front office mindset that we are going to 100% like capitalize on the like on the prime of Yokic.

That that's an issue. It's a, it's one thing. Like, hey, we're not going to, like, we're not going to pay MPJ $200 million for whatever. You were acting broke over KCP, over 60 million? The thing is, if they weren't acting broke, if they were in a good situation, they'd be S-tier because they have the best player every generation. So you account for all of that, the fact they're going to have a rough retooling period coming up, B-tier. Like, Yokic is still, Yokish has five more years to this, right?

If you have the best player in the world for five more years, that's, it can't be lower than B, I think. You are, you're, you're in, you're impending on a retool. Your front office, one, your front office is moving very, very suspect. Donovan. All it takes is literally two quality players and then they're back in like great conversations. He's moving mad suspect. The owner's moving like a broke boy. Your point guard looks like he's lost this step.

Mike Malone, there's always talking about like beef between him and the front office. What do you mean? Who cares? Calvin Booth will be fired within five years. The front office we're talking about now is irrelevant He will be fired very soon And now look at it Now we have a change of vision

I think like this This team is very very weird And I think that you can give them credit For Yokich But Yeah All the we're digging them a lot Going to B

All the other All the other factors around Yokich are not great right now So where do you want to put them? I agree I want to put them in C Look at the teams in fucking C tier

and then tell me they are more promising than how you would feel having Nicola Yokic on your team. You gotta get out of my face. The Wizards and the Nets are in C tier. This team has, Jamal Murray looks like his cap is about to fall on. I'm not excited about them,

but they have Nicole Yokin. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If you are looking at the rest of the team, you are not excited about any other piece of this team. Which is why they're not A or S. Agreed. We're on the same page.

Nicola Yogich, they do not need to do a lot to get good again. They are currently like the seven seed and we're like the sky is fucking falling. Nicole Yokic could play 10 good games and they're the three seat again. Like the margins are not small. When you get in the playoffs setting, you have the best player in the world. Even if your team around them is nowhere near as good as it should be. They're getting dusted. Who else below this has even close to that caliber of player that will be this caliber for the next five years?

I think you're underestimating just how insane someone Nicole Yokic is. and like in terms of like I'm underestimating the seventh seed five years from now they are the seventh seat or whatever now that does not matter like all that is irrelevant they're 12 to 10

five years from now there's a real pathway to where if they stumble on into one of random ass or two random ass very predictive players they're back in the conversation when Yoko is 34 years old

you've been reacting a lot to what these teams are this year and really penalizing the people that are pissing you off this season and I get it but they have Nicole Yogych who will be in his prime for five more years at least four don't want to fucking explode because he didn't he in what world in the only way I would put Nicole Yolkich in the Denver Nuggets fuck the fuck the Nuggets this is a Yokish conversation to me in my mind the only way I'm putting Yokch in like C or D tier is if he had shown real

issues of remaining healthy he's Iron Man his play style doesn't require too much and so that's how I'm putting him in B tear. He's going to be there regardless. The heat are in C tier. If you're looking in the eyes. Then drop the heat. I don't give a damn. I put the heat in C tier because people like to go to the club. Put them in D tier. I don't care. You think I care about the heat like that? They got these ugly jerseys talking about heat cultures. Don't know anybody care about that.

You think I can't about the heat just because they make people run suicides? No, put them in D. Because they're right suits. I don't give a damn about them. Where would you be talking about, man? Where are we going to Utah Jazz? Man, put those Mormons in D. I'm dropping everybody down.

You don't piss me off. Y'all don't get him by the last thing. Put everybody in D. Danny A. He's smart. They have plenty of picks. They can do whatever of Lari Mark and they're in C. I hate so, man.

If you want to put him in B, because they have. already have an all-star level player in lara mark now i can go see but i'm fine with c kings kings yeah they just the fucking kings they're just the fucking they're not see i think that they're d let's piss some kings fans off let's go d bro their ceiling right now is c tier yeah i'm probably yeah no they're not good they're d that's fine they yeah uh warriors probably probably probably D tier as well I would definitely The king

The Kings fans are going to see the team in C like what the fuck Why aren't they better off than us And I don't have a good answer for you Because those teams suck too Let's go see for the Kings I guess All the all the mid is in C We can't take our anger out of the Kings

Because like the D tier is full of teams That are fucked C tier is all the mid And the Kings are firmly mid But we can't put But like you just got me You can't get the benefit of the doubt when you've been trashed for 20 years and you just got mid for like two years

and your stars Fox isn't going anywhere. Your stars are low level all stars at best. We're putting our faith in Subonis in five years. Will he be able to look at the basket and look at an 18 footer in five years? I don't know. What's the on Foxx in the look like in five years?

I have a lot of faith that Fox and Subonis will stay mid for five years. They're going to be seen forever. I have so much faith in that actually. This is perpetual sea. okay they're cool they cool five years ago still gonna have like a 117 defensive rating

guys can't guard anything correct and the Golden State Warriors the final team put them in detail D yeah back with old fucks yeah post Steph there's a lot of talk about these young guys

they don't want to trade them because what happens after Steph you want to have comminga you want to have Pod you want to have Moody you want to have TJD all these guys to be the next era I'm here to tell you the era after Steph is irrelevant. None of those players are going to carry your franchise. You're going to go through hell as soon as Steph is done. Paz is natural, bro. Yeah, it's natural. POD is not your

savior. They will be in hell. Those are not building blocks. Yeah, it just natural happens whenever you you have been like carried by such a generational player like Steph Curry. You're not worried about the future. Moses Moody got you a ring. He is not your savior. Nobody on this team is your savior. All right. So do we want to adjust anything? Mo, I ask you because Donovan is on a fucking tirade against everybody he wants to burn the world I like

the whole league is mid bro the whole league of me there's like three great teams the only thing that I would like to move is the Philadelphia office 76ers because they have two young players who will be productive

no matter what and there's there's avenues that you can be somewhat successful whether you're right you're right the guys in D otherwise don't have young star so they belong in C D is just like you're you so you you played all your cards already and you have nothing left nothing left so other than that I feel pretty okay with how this list is like B tier is clear

as day we have one outlier outlier and B because got the best way in the world brother I don't care what you say he belongs in B um outside that I feel good about everything Donovan how do you feel mad I mean I just yeah I just refuse to believe that there's one team out of 30 that we're like yeah five years they're gonna suck like the bulls can't be the only team in f tier also the d and f are one in the same essentially like i feel like the clippers and the suns should be and loki the warriors should be there too um i would be okay with putting the warriors in like f if you want it because their track history hasn't been just view d as f just view d is f and take away s it's a bc d f like think about that for your own right now i just trying to gaslight you

right now. You just got conforcation. He's trying to put it. I'm telling him to think about it differently for his own sannie. That's like gaslighting. What the fuck? Wars don't mean anything. Gaslighting. He's like, yeah, go in and just like, rearrange how things

actually are in your head. And just warp your reality. You cowards. That'll be, that'll make you a lot happier. That is, bro. You fucking baby. Shut up. It's got gaslighting, projecting.

Gaslighting. We used to be men. so just rearrange reality donovan and then you'll be i know he's trying to use all this boy math on me trying to rearrange stuff i wasn't gaslighting i was being demeaning that's what i was doing i was joking he's getting sure to be a rude facts that's what i was doing clear intense I mean y'all got it

I'm not I'm not gonna sit here like and make the Kings fans matter at me then probably what they are right now they hate us they already hate us it doesn't matter they also should be lower and with that being said we're on to TikTok time

drop Philly I drop Philly I hate them what? I just straight for a jewel and beating you don't know they're talking about these old dudes none of these work all these unks playing basketball man Biddle bumps is

86 man I can't stand there Fuck Why used to holding that fucking bowl Yeah 8 day lunch

I love that bowl I love his bowl It's gonna be my routine But I swear to God dude I'm gonna abuse I'm eating cereal out of this bowl You pass out of this bowl You do a lot in this bowl

It's gonna remember me It's gonna make me remember About that day we're all Nicks Man shut the hell up With despair I know about your goddamn bull Welcome back to TikTok time

As always We're gonna have some fun We're gonna do some little short game fight segments Mo has a bullhead right now Yeah man What do you all want to start with? Something serious or something fun Some serious?

Some serious? Oh my god, bro This guy Let's talk about that political and economic state of the world right now We're gonna start off With something a little less serious Can you read a book please?

Why I read When I came Audio books We've done a lot of You fucking granny We have done a lot of content Over the past couple years About NBA logos

Of a different variety We've done a lot of old logos Versus New Some tier lists All the sort One thing I realized They've never talked about It seems alternate logos

I realized today There's a lot of random ass logos they don't really use They don't really You don't see very often That are hidden in these teams databases So I'm going to show you

an NBA team's alternate logo you rate it from one to ten okay alright let's do it first off we have the Memphis Grizzlies alternate see I like this hard I like this this is stills fear in my heart bro

exactly you feel like he's palmy it big ass hand you feel like you're about to get scratched I like this this is very grit and grind this is very tough it's very Memphis I'm a fan of this is my this is like 9 out of 10

no eye's tough because you don't see the bear you just see the vicious ass claw you don't know what's back there it could be huge could be small it's an unknown it's terrible exactly it's subtle yeah it can't be good for you it's all I know and looks harmful looks like you're gonna get mauled bro onto the court it's like it's like scalped subtle foreshadowing foreshadowing yeah it's go eight and a half eight and a half it's solid okay I go eight and a lot y'all see y'all see the videos of the like the grizzly bears they'd be like just scalping the salmon that's what this reminds me of but they just

oh god why do you have those videos on your for you page I enjoy nature okay alright man shout out animal planet next one the Brooklyn Nets they just added this this year it's kind of whack

it looks like it's a 2013 logo it looks like a diner no I'll say this looks like some random ass crappy coffee shop that's in some boozy neighborhood that has some bullshit drinks that no one likes this is so no you got real static

you've seen a place like this for real so only you're out charged like 11 dollars for a cup understand Isaac is very serious about his coffee you have you have some whack coffee

Isaac is going to call you out this is exactly trash lavender lattes some kind of gimmicky bullshit lavender no I don't want floral anything in my mouth

you're not a machi guy no that was just a stray but lavender is stupid but again that makes it very Brooklyn though so at least it's accurate

to the city sure I'll give this a five three one donovan okay you gotta think about it silence filled the room

okay yeah this is terrible don't like it next up the Portland Trailblazers Rip City it's so simple but it's hard it's cool bro like it's a solid seven nah this is actually very well it's not like a low it's just a words

just a phrase this is this something that you put on on a on a this is something that you put on a put on a t-shirt but it's not something like that envelops Rip City it just says Rip City No, it's lazy, call it what it is

It's just words It's a typeface I'll give it a five No, it has to go words There's no, stop it No, no no no no no There's no like There's no

I want to see a trail I want to see a blazer I want to see something This has nothing of it Okay I'd like to see a rose They everyone always talks about You know like the Rose Garden

How pretty the Rose is important that is true all that stuff i don't see anything i don't get any of the city's personality here so i'm going to a two okay there you go okay mean as hell fuck them the los angeles lakers the iconic l secondary i wouldn't i wouldn't call it iconic actually but this is great this is a nine no it's kind of it kind of is iconic i didn't even realize that this was like an alternate logo because i feel like i've seen this logo so much it's so like it's so synonymous people have as you know the Twitter Twitter profile pictures whatever

this is hard. Nine out of ten. Yeah, they've used this since 2001. This is like as classic as an alternate as you could have. They routinely use it on things. 10 at 10 to me. Yeah, this is peak Lake Show logo. Yeah, I agree. When you make an alternate logo, your aim is to have one BS anonymous with the team as this one is. Standard. No words any

there we go. The Phoenix Suns. This is hard. I like this a lot. No, don't Don't get full. Don't get full. Don't get full. Once again, not only do we just have letters. We have an initial and nothing else. It's just white and gray. I'm not a fan. But this is this is what you start out with. This is a burst in flames. No, yes. This is what you start out with when you are making the alternate logo. It looks like somebody forgot to hit the save button. And then they started from scratch. I don't like this. I'm not a fan. You're frying you right now. You need a true alternate logo. This isn't an alternate logo. This is three letters. It's not anything. Exactly. These are not logos. Letters. You saw what we just said

was a Lakers one. It goes a long way when you have an actual alternate logo that means something and stands for something for the team. This is not that. This is just what they have

in their jersey. I don't know why it was on here. At least put a basketball somewhere. Yeah. Okay. I can agree to that. Two.

With that logic, it might be a two or three. The Charlotte Hornets. What the fuck is this? I don't know. I don't know what this is, but it's provocative and I like it.

It's creative in some sense So it has to be higher than this being Suns according to your logic What is this destiny DLC pack? This is insane I don't know You see the hexagon, you see the H I like it I like it

What is at the top? Is that like wings? What is that dot up there? Once again nobody knows but it's provocative We are giving them credit I'm going at least an eight and a half here This future civilization Bro this whoever made this logo Plays too much damn fictional video games

touch grass because we don't we are out of touch bro this is like a sigil for a family from Dune this is crazy did you like Dune did you not enjoy the film I like Dune a lot shout out the homie Timothy

give this eight and a half eight and a half is crazy shout out Timothy I guess ball lower this is this is stupid this is the reason they don't use this one this is terrible this is like I eat

the Golden State Warriors this is smooth i like this looks like an end screen credit this is hard i give us this is strong they've used this on jerseys before it works for me i love the way they use lines to show the reflections in the water from the sun

it's creative it looks like the city this might be another 10 to me put this on a faded t-shirt oh my goodness this graphic tea a graphic a vintage graphic t i would pay years is gonna go up at the goodwill's oh yeah

but right now i will pay 2799 for that shirt right now. That is mad specific, but I'm with it. This is a good logo 10 out of 10. I had a coupon. I got $2.99. It was 2999, but I'm a reward member, so I got it. Okay. Man, it's about his bucks. Yeah. Deal seeker. The Sacramento Kings.

This is great. Again, I'm not going to lie. It's not mad. It's not insanely different from the regular logo, but infusing an actual line on there to show their top dogs or whatever with the crown on top of its head too. infused with the basketball is it 10 out of 10? I wonder why a lion

became their thing. Oh, because like King of the Jungle. Yeah. If the, if the Kings were as good at basketball as they were with their like logos

and jerseys and vibes and light the beams, they'd have so many championships. This is the greatest team of all time. Their marketing and PR team and branding team is top of the line. Those are the Boston Celtics of branding. The regular team,

not so much, but listen, they got something good going on. Exactly. I agree. You're not going to win the deal. game at least you win everything else shout out to them they know the strengths they stick to it they come out of here with shit they come out of here with some god damn bro sick this is my flu game

yeah he said on Tuesday yeah duck double flu game yeah some serious okay yeah they got something going for him damn that your coffee could they just that I'm over 10 that's what you damn get imagine not being in perfect health like it's not gross god unbelievable next up

the pelicans I want to give this hell so bad because it's New Orleans but that pelican looks devious that pelican is looking for blood right now I love this this is the best alternate logo we've seen

this is Loki better than the regular logo I think the little classic New Orleans symbol looks better than the wide wings of the regular logo. Yeah, this pelican looks, and honestly, for a team named after pelicans, this is as menacing as you can be. So shout out to this logo. Shout out to like that.

That is a mean looking pelican. If I saw that, I don't even attack me. It looks dangerous. Pelicans are not intimidating on their own. So the fact they made them look dope, like, and it's better than the regular logo, this might have to be a 10. Listen, rebrand on the way. Whenever they trade Zion, make this the real logo, we can get the rebrand going, get

new vibes in. What the hell is all right to do with this? They can leave them there and just redo it again. That was such a stray. I'm just talking about my ideas for the team.

You know, we're talking about alternate logos, that's an alternate timeline. That's all I'm talking about. Oh, now you're the head of branding and the GM for the Pelicans. Okay. Call me.

I have ideas. We can wear many hats. Most high facet. Okay. Next one. The Atlanta Hawks. I have never seen this before until today. This is simple.

it's not bad but it's very simple bro we just saw a pelag we are the hawks we are one of the more dangerous birds and the bird like family tree and you decide to go ahead and just put a simple basketball

and have ATL on there just letting us down as a city man this looks like a logo from like a high school in the fucking 60s oh 100% this is a Hoosiers logo Moe how would you feel if it still just said ATL

but instead of a basketball it was a chicken wing that's targeted as hell what the fuck from Manhattan that's what y'all do that's what you I wonder if it was purple

I can't listen for me to you I can't be racist like that it can't be targeted right for just just between that so I'm just asking me a question now if Isaac asked you that question

it would be different but you understand what I'm saying would you wear fried chicken on your shirt that is not what I said if the Atlanta Hawks put that

out there this would be charged as like a city jersey would rebuke these jerseys they were rebukes franchise what the hell if Landry Fields and Kyle Culver

white self was to be like yeah guys it could be God come what if they did that what if they just like started handing out chicken wings and stuff like that bro if Mr. wrestler did this shit

the owner of this damn organization check this shit off people already hate him bro he What an insane concept Once again New Orleans call me

I have I have ideas You know Stick to podcasting buddy I have ideas You can throw all bignets in New Orleans It's a lot of stuff It's a lot of ways to get to the people That's all that

Fried chicken Chicken is one of them Oh the people love chicken People love chicken I'll tell you that Say this is really And like in the community Oh my God

Hawks fans in particular What do you know about us Hawks fans demographic What do you sense? I know y'all love chicken I know a little bit I'll have some munches I've seen the demographics Next one

The New York Knicks This looks just like the Hawks one It looks better because they have better Color scheme So I'll give us a six I'm being consistent Standard 5 out of 10 it's is what it is.

Ball, name, secondary logo. It's the blueprint. Yeah. Great. You did the minimum. It's not bad. It's not a bad logo. It's not a bad logo.

It's not a bad logo. It's not a bad logo. Look at this Hawksman again side by side. This Hawks one's fucking stupid. There, bro, we... Yeah, I really didn't try. ATL. God damn. That's awful.

Okay. Washington Wizards. Why does it have that hand? You reach it for it like a jump ball. Now, I don't know what that means for Washington or the Wizards, but it is a jump ball. Why don't you just have that as like the Washington Monument? It's stupid. They're so attached from their identity of the city, bro.

It's insane. It's like they're not proud to be in Washington. They don't know. They try to move. Washington, D.C. You're right. They try to go to Virginia, bro. They don't want to be there.

This self-hating ass logo, this self-loading runs deep. This is two out of ten. Learn to love yourself, D.C. Come on now. Respect your own community. You're better than this. You're looking at I don't call you named DC.

Come on now. Everybody here loves D.C. Everybody here has a great relationship with D.C. in their minds. Like, we all love and cherish that city and have a good relationship with it. D.C. has brought me amazing memories. You know what I'm saying?

I've had nothing but great times of Washington, D.C. And I'm sure we all feel that way. Exactly. Same. And that's our last logo. That's two out of the end. Tragedy

D.C. Insane. In the next thing we're going to deal you know in our last stream we kind of talked about the start

of kind of like the trade era of this season December 15th is the unofficial start of the season really the start of trade season it's not even

unofficial because basically the whole league can be traded on that date so we're going to talk about all the names that have been

in the trade rumors lately after Sean's first big trade deadline reporting that came out a couple days ago so I'm going

to list these players one by one you guys are going to tell me which team you want to see them traded to talk to me real simple first off brandon ingram trade him to miami that doesn't know what they're doing put them in miami exactly i can see a world and that happens him battle my bio and tyler hero gets him to a top like four seat or whatever you know so you want to see them trade away jimmy boulder and bring an ingram to replace him or you want to keep jimmy no trade jimmy jimmy got to go yeah yeah i guess

that's a good way to just continue to be the same type of team you are for another five years probably relatively the same style and if you know pat riley he refuses to tank so this is like a trade that's in line with pat line with pat riley's like genuine thought process yeah do you guys like the idea of him going to the warriors that's cool too yeah for for step's sake i would like to see i just want to see step have another star but i think for like most said i think brandon ingram fits the best in miami he's the perfect bridge They never want to be bad. So if they want to win 43 games a year,

Brandon Negrim is their guy. Yeah. I kind of like him on the Grizzlies. I kind of see a vision there. I don't think they can get a dome without getting rid Desmond Bain, which they probably don't want to do. But if they were open to that,

I'd see a world where it makes sense. Now we're missing with vibes in team culture, I'm not sure about that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Never mind. I respect Desmond Bain. Okay. Jimmy Butler.

my cat has the fucking zoomies she just ran up the staircase so fast i wish i could see that that was crazy i appreciate him in his prime bro all right appreciate your cat in his prime when he's washed jimmy butler got to go uh jimmy had to go to the warriors yeah this is the team this is the move for the warriors it makes all the sense in the world a lot of these other teams that they're connected to the rockets maps whatever they're not in the market for an old star they have a longer vision than that if there's ever a team that has an exactly two-year-long vision, it is the Golden State Warriors. The fit makes all the sense in the world.

Every time stuff goes to the bench, I get worried because I'm like, oh my goodness, who is going to run the offense? Where are the buckets coming from? Pods? No. If Jimmy Butler was on the Warriors, he would be able to manage, you know, he could be the secondary playmaker. He can create offense for himself or others.

He doesn't even want to get 30 every night like he had to in the playoffs. This would be perfect. He gets mad when he has to shoot 20 times. He gets pissed. He wants to go there and run pick and rolls as a screener. He wants to dump off pass. He wants to do all the little stuff. Exactly.

He's just trying to get his cardio in and get paid, brother. That's it. Exactly. I don't blame me. Now, it would suck for the Warriors if you got to trade Andrew Wiggins, which you would for the salary. I would hate to lose that defense. But something has to change.

This makes sense to me. Yeah, Andrew Wiggins and his defense has not been saving the sinking Warriors team. Jimmy Buller gives you a new fresh breath of life. They need that. They need a pulse. Jimmy Butler and Jeremy Montgomery Montgomery. Green, unlimited dog.

Oh, that's an unlimited asshole. It's going to be the worst team to possibly go against. The brother and breasts are going to come into work. Like, they actually need to come into work and medicated, bro, with what they're going to deal with between Jimmy Butler, Steve Kerr, who's a hothead and the stuff that no one really cares about or talks about is enough. And then Draymond. Why don't they?

Why don't we talk about that? We know we talk. We know why. Let's unpack that. You know. No, if you're an opposing player and you come to play against Jimmy Butler and Damon Green, bro, if you're going to play against Jimmy Butler and Dreamon green, bro, bro, if you're playing in Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green,

you better snort pre-workout because you're going to need to have energy. Yeah. Zach Levine. Hmm. I've been saying it for a while, and listen, I'm very sorry, Zach,

but you need to be a Detroit piston. Yes. They need some buckets. They need some buckets. They need a score. You get to stay up north, right? I know you probably want to go to, like, Golden State or L.A.

Nope. Keep that puffer jacket on you. You're going to Detroit. You know, and if you don't end up over there in Detroit either, again, keep that puffer jacket on you. Take your ass back home to Minnesota. Bang it out with Anthony Edwards and be what Dante de Vincenzo was supposed to be. There we go.

What's better than one, Dante? Two. Give me another one. But I would love him next to Kate Cunningham, man. That's exactly what that team needs. Yeah. Next up. Nikola Vucevich

Square jaw I'm thinking the same thing pentagonal face this Minecraft player that's crazy this man is in Roblox now listen maybe Robloch

listen 47% from 3 this year 68% true shooting some were saying is very real listen it's a very efficient Minecraft player I like what he's been contributing

to the game. Listen, I've seen a lot of conversation about people saying that, hey, if the Warriors don't get Brandon Ingram, they don't get Jimmy Butler, maybe they go get Vooch, right? Maybe you go get a five who can shoot. Maybe. Denver? If they can make it work, I don't know how they would.

Ew, no. No, I can't make that work. Let's just get anybody. Denver's nasty. there's not a lot of teams in service for what Butchovich does right now even though he's great And that's the real answer here

Nobody should trade from Nicola Vucevich He should remain in Chicago Bull Keep making all your threes Keep in buckets for Chicago You are where you should be Yeah, exactly Good job, Booch Get your money

I was waiting for you guys to get to that conclusion Herb Jones You can name all 29 teams in the league right now And they'll be like, I want to Herb Jones. Yeah. But if it was up to me, if I was in charge of pulling the chess pieces wherever I want in my dream scenario, this man would be a Dallas Maverick. We'd ship out Daniel Gafford. We'd ship out every single draft pick we could possibly muster under the sun.

And we would get this guy in Dallas because they would be unstoppable. Oh, my goodness. Herb Jones. If it was up to me, Derek lively. Clamps. And I listen, on this, it says 3.29%. He was shooting much better than that last year. year yeah he'll be back oh my goodness if you want to put him on a young team instead

i'll go ahead and put him on this charler hornets because having him alongside or in between the mellow ball and brandon miller is that perfect lockdown low maintenance offensive player who's a who will carry the defense of mehap mishap so i love him there yeah again we can say any team in the goddamn world we want but herbert does it fits everywhere but i'm on the grislies i was gonna say the grisies next that would be perfect if they get them ooh that'd be nasty oh yeah god damn okay Kyle Kuzma dude this is what he damn Kyle he's tied it up he looks like a rapper now he looks a blue face yeah so many tattoos is this fucking MGK what the fuck going out right now but one shoulder he has coos the other shoulder

he has a 100 emoji yes roses across his neck okay Kyle Kuzer right coos all right coos all right little skies good job oh god little scy says crazy listen man kuz you like it

I love it but where do you want to play a year ago I was excited to trade Kyle Kuzma in these trade simulators

this year this man looks like he's been point shaving he has been destructive on the court I don't know if anybody wants him do you guys have any ideas

it's hard for Kyle Kuzma because it's like who the hell he might be a detriment to your team or he may be what PJ Washington is. Send him to the land of rejects, man. Dallas Mavericks.

Send him to the later rejects. Chicago, you go. Stoam all over there. I said it's you a Chicago Bull. What a punishment. Calcusa hasn't done anything bad in this world to deserve that. But he doesn't mean, I've seen his

Twitter feed actually, never mind. He getting deported. We send him to Canada. my cat is climbing everywhere Do you see her? She just had a frame She's on this little side table Look at this feline It is prime right now

Oh Oh Where is you going from Oh my god She's playing this place is around I'm gonna test that out The vert show we do Yeah what's the cat bird

She's not a big jumper She doesn't like jumping on things That's like carry up on the bed It's too high for it She likes lateral quickness Okay gotcha Yeah yeah she's fast as hell But doesn't have hops

She's not your traditional athlete She's not like You know The John Wrens there one let him remove it. Okay, I see. Okay, next player. Cam Johnson, another player

that fits everywhere. But if you were Gia, if you had control of the league, like you're a king of the fourth quarter on my league, who would you want him to play on? Los Angeles Lakers. Warrior. Oh, my God. He's the perfect warrior player too. He is. You could definitely see Worlder, him

and Schrooter end up being the guys who go to the Warriors. If they don't go, if like a Jimmy Butler type, I would love to see him in between LeBron James and Anthony Davis, but I always also don't know if the Lakers are going to trade a pick for him. I would not like to see that just because I think that it would make the Lakers very good. They would make them a much better team and he's a great fit. You wouldn't be a fan of that?

No, I'm not here for that. Not here for Lakers. Listen, DeAngelo Russell is going to look so dope in the Brooklyn Nets jerseys. Once again, I would like to see it. Ew. If only somebody had a picture of what that would look like and could like maybe Photoshop that together, let me see that jersey swap. You mean all you know you're going to be cooking it as soon as this podcast ends

I'm just imagining him in like I don't know maybe like maybe they do something that's like a bigie smallish related jersey is a city jersey one day I just can see Dilo wearing that yeah that that would be cool that way you could get like the homage to like old Brooklyn and stuff like that it's a real cool it's a real cool concept real vision yes somebody should do that you all have a vision welcome to welcome to LA Cam Johnson Michael Porter Jr. Now, I don't think he's available like that, but the Nuggets need to make a trade.

Nobody wants Shemal Murray. Maybe they got to ship them out. Where does a 6-10 shoot-up? Again, a team like the Pistons would be perfect that just needs more juice offensively. What do they have for the Nuggets? Not a damn thing. Tobias Harris, I guess.

Low-key. Listen, I'm trying to win a championship. kid don't offer me to my stairs right now would they trade him for cam johnson and dennis two for one you think the nets we want him should him do a 13 if you're trying to lose yeah feels kind of said feels kind of sell low i feel like mpj's what you know i think that's kind of good you get cam to play the same role and you get dennis to give you another player that can play basketball which do we know they need i would do yeah why not you have none to lose all right let's go and and listen if you can get off that contract too that would be good

Yeah. Listen, you're going to love Brooklyn, Michael. DeAndre Aiton. I forgot he exists, dude. Holy shit. I think he forgot he's a basketball player. I mean, yeah, it looks like it on the court sometimes to this day. Does anybody in this association want DeAndre Aten?

Put him in Miami, man. Put him in Miami. You want to put everybody in Miami. Anybody who needs more work effort ethic, like put him in my... Put them in Miami, bro. Let them get right. Oh, so you've seen Pat Raleigh and Eric Spolcher could fix him. Yeah.

They're not rehab. No, I'm not sending you all the day. That's not their job. Could they fix him, or is he too far gone? They're like, get out of my face. He's too far gone. He's not too far gone. Two years ago they could have fixed him.

Now he has two more years of bad habits playing in Portland. I think he might be too far gone. Can you send him like where he was supposed to go the first time? Can you go to like Indiana or something? Ew. I feel like, listen, Indiana is Indiana. He needs players. Everything is falling apart for them.

They just need another. Going from Miles Turner to DeAndre Aiton, if I was a Pacer's fan, I would eat you. Yeah, no. Where are you going? I don't know. He's kind of hard looking around. How do the Hornets feel about Mark Williams right now in his health? I don't know, but DeAndre Aton is going to be fantastic in the expansion draft.

He's going to be a kid. Oh, he might be the best player on an expansion team and score like 30 a game. Yeah. When he gets his own team again Be ready Look out Anthony Davis If the Lakers end up

If LeBron requests a trade They have to one day blow it up Don't think it'll happen But if they had to trade AD And blow it up Where do you want to see him go Put him on my Atlanta Hawks Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please

You give us that pick up No no no no no no no I'll give y'all two picks Three picks or something like Anthony Davis Because having him Oh three picks Johnson Dyson Dyson Daniels I give you your 2025 pick.

I know you're all down bad. I give it to you. Dyson Daniels, Anthony Davis, Jalen Johnson-led defense with Trey Young facilitating you. I have something better. I have something better. I have something better than that. I'm listening.

Trade him to the Houston Rockets. Hmm. And for what? What package? I'm listening? Not sure yet, but a defense. Listen, all I know is that you're keeping a man, Thompson and Tari.

He's saying you keep a man, Tari, AD. Listen, that defense is. goes crazy. That's nasty. That spacing is not the greatest. I don't care. We're doubling down

on defense and we are locking everybody up. Are you offering him all I know? Reed Shepard? You can have me. I don't care about the young boy. All I know is

every time Steph Curry touches the basketball and they double team the man. All I know is he dumps it down to guys who cannot make layups often. You put Anthony Davis there and let him run a pick and roll

with Steph Curry. I think we might get another chip in the bay. That'll be nice. That's the seamless fit too. I'll take John the Cominga. I'll take Andrew Wiggins. I'll take a first round picker, too.

I'll humbly accept that as a representative for the Los Angeles Liggins. What? You are not the right. You are a fake rep. What the hell are you talking about? I don't want Camiga. I just want to try to be, try to be, try to be nice to them.

I don't want a commingia. You are for California. Okay. Also, the clear answer here. Isaiah Hartinstein, Kaysen Wallace, 10 first round picks. Send him to the last. 10 first round picks.

You're insane. Next summer, call it in. The writing's on the wall. Okay. And that's the last one. This man, Tracy's in here. 10 first home picks is hilarious. The next thing we're going to do,

let's make some Pokemon evolutions of NBA players. Okay. You guys seen this trend. I've seen it on Twitter. I saw it on TikTok. I forgot the guy's name. I saw someone talking about. about it. I wish I could shout this page out. He was saying he was doing this. We're talking

about style of play and being like this guy is the worst version of this guy who's the worst version of this guy and making like three tiers of Pokemon evolutions four stars. So before we started, I told you guys to do that. So we're going to tell you guys all the evolutions we could think of all the family trees of NBA styles of play. Okay. Okay. Let's do it. Mo, you go first. What's your first one you got? All right. I've soft launched this before in previous episodes. but here's my first evolution. You are born into Dionne Waiters. Okay.

Evolved version of Dionne Waiters, if he reached all its potential, remember, a lot of people don't remember this, or tend to forget, Dionne Writers was a lottery pick, a top pick back in the day. Of all version, Dionne Waders, Anthony Edwards. And the obvious comparison to peak Anthony Edwards is Michael Jeffrey Jordan. That's a good, that's pretty standard. I see the evolution path there. That makes sense to me.

Okay. Nice and simple. Now, I raise you one better. Okay. Austin Reeves, his level 16, Mono Genoblee. His level 32, Luca Donchich.

Mm. Okay. I like that comparison. We go from white boy to spicy white boy to European God. We just move up the path. Okay. Okay. I like that.

Bucking hitters. Here's, listen, I got one. So, Jalil Ocalfour. What's it? That's a name. He evolves. into Al Jefferson. That's the name?

Who evolves into Kevin McHale, right? We're talking about three different level of guys who just have post moves for days, can kill you on the block, can do absolutely everything. That is the evolution. I'll do you one better in a similar vein. You start off, you come out the womb, you're David Lee. You take a step forward, you're Brooke Lopez. Okay.

You take another step forward. You're Yao Ming. Every evolution, you grow exactly four and a half inches. Okay. I was going to say, how does this make sense? But okay. You just get a little bit larger every time. Okay, okay, okay.

All right. Let's go back to the more tame side of things, all right? Come out the wound. You're Aaron Gordon. A lot of people thought you're going to be a superstar. You're not. Okay, big body. You're a very role player.

Okay, cool. Aaron Gordon ever been able to be an all-star? Who might be? Jalen Johnson. Same light skin. Those little types of like. our ordinary moves Jalen Johnson evolved

turned into LeBron fucking James 6-9 absolute demon what is it I wrote down Kyle Anderson to Jalen Johnson to LeBron James Kyle Anderson is too good for that but Kyle Anderson I see the past You guys are meat bunchers Here what I got

Here's what I got Nate Robinson Turns into Cam Thomas Turns into Isaiah Thomas Just different avenues of small guys that are dope You should put Yuki in there from the Memphis Grizzlies Ah Listen, he mentioned it one week

You love Yuki You do I love him He's a fan favorite Okay I got You want one Isaac? Go ahead Go ahead

All right New York Nick legend The original 3 and D Damon Chris Copeland Remembering? Yes I love Chris

if he was ever to fulfill his potential which is not very high in the first place evolves into DeAndre Hunter demon right now watery pick the idea of DeAndre Hunter finally is fulfilled

then turns into Kauai Leonard Poolecki Lennard is crazy I did not expect that at all Yeah Chris Copen was special brother What if you popped out of the womb And you were a swaggy white boy named Peyton Pritchard

You got some buckets in your time Then you evolve to C.J. McCollum Then you take another leap You get stronger You can start jumping real high You become Donovan Mitchell Okay Okay

Three levels of bucket getters There's also one more progression there That I won't acknowledge What's next? All right Listen, I'm gonna go with the easy one Buddy Heald turns into Clay Thompson Turns into Ray Allen

I don't know if Ray Allen's an evolution to Clay Thompson. I think Clay, I think Clay can look at him in the eyes, kind of. He can look at me eyes, so I'm saying. Yeah, they're close enough. They're closer than that, I think. Yeah.

Yeah. Clay's, Ray's handle is much better than Clay. But when Ray had that stuff handle, he didn't have old man shooting like he did. Like, he didn't really have both at the same time. He still, he's still Ray Allen. He's still the shooter, right Allen.

Okay, okay. He's always, he's more athletic as well. Okay. There's one more we haven't said. That's elephant in the room. Nobody said it. You get Bulbul, you make him stronger. You get Chris Osporzingis.

You make him less stiff. You get Victor Weniamma. That's the obvious one. I love that one. Everyone says Bull Bull, says Victor Woman Yamah. But there's a little middle ground there. We've got to respect KP's stance in the middle of the stick figure lineup.

There is. There is. I like that. I like that. Okay. I have one. that I generally need you guys this help with.

So bad. And I wanted to get this off from my own, but I couldn't. Okay. You have Leangelo Ball. I have two players.

Leangelo Ball. Okay. Successful in his own right podcast. He got a brother in the league, two of them who made it. Okay. I think the final version of Leangelo Ball

is the Nasis and to the Kumpo. That brother got it all. Podcasts, free seats, every single night in Milwaukee if he wants and his brother's Janice. Who can either fill in the gap or who is like the OG of those guys? Justin Holliday.

I was going to say the same thing. It was the holiday. Or no, Robin Lopez is too good for that. But yeah, Justin Holliday. He had a NBA crew. No, he's too good actually.

He's better than Thanassus. I was thinking about players who had brothers who did podcasts though when we were like, we were successful. Oh. I don't know how many other brother podcasts are out there. That's pretty niche.

Yeah, I can think about like, I guess cousins or whatever. But like one-to-one brothers and stuff. I don't know. Okay. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to go back to something trade-related. We're going to bring back a series we haven't done in quite a while now. NBA deal or no deal.

Okay. This is a simple task. We have one specific player in mind. This time, it is LeBron James. What I'm going to do is, I'm going to name you various trade packages. You let me know if you would take the deal or give it a no deal if you were Rob Polinka.

Okay. You could never make me trade my king. Talk to me. Let's assume in this scenario, LeBron James wants to be traded. We'll say that. He said, get me the fuck out of here. I don't care where.

Trade me anymore. The hell out of here. So NBA dealer, no deal. LeBron James edition. Would you trade LeBron for Jamal Murray and three first round picks? Instantly. Instantly.

And then I'd go and I trade Jamal Murray again And I get even more first round picks Listen, if LeBron wants to go by all means Kick rocks oh man You got it I was trying to decide if I wanted If I wanted to be disrespectful or not But get up out of you

Go to a home In this scenario we're assuming LeBron said Please trade me I am perfectly fine getting those three first round picks I don't know how good that team will be In the future when those convey I don't really want Jamal Murray's contract at this moment But I'll live with it

Three first round picks, I'd be okay with it. Only because I get to see LeBron succeed alongside Nicola Yolich, you would make me happy. This helps your story right in my mind. Listen, if I was the GM, would I actually really want Jam's contract? Fuck no. But I am a fan at my heart and I would want to see LeBron and Yokic, so I would take one for the team. Go ahead and play one of the greats of all time. I dare you.

Let's do it. Let's trust this trade. Let's make it happen. Try me. Okay, next one. Would you train to the Warriors for Jonathan Kaminga, Andrew Wiggins and one first round pick I wouldn't do this if you added two first round picks

That's bleak I love Camino you know you don't You don't want to unleash comminga next to Anthony Davis Caming is my West African king bro But I would not do it in you could give me four first I'm okay four I might do it I lied I lied I lied I like I lied Oh so that's a lot of first round picks Yeah

But if I'm LA I do not want to Look at my wings and have it be Kaminga and Wiggins that's despair That's a good team but still maybe if camingo isn't like year two but i got to pay caminga this year and i got to extend him and pay him big bucks to try to get him to be really good i'll look elsewhere for suitors for the king exactly yeah jonathan caminga cannot get not one of my dollars this half season i'm not i'm not paying him okay would you train in for jimmy butler straight up keep the air

alive by getting him shipping out your old man small for a slightly less old man small for First one who's even worse No deal Hell no No no He's gonna come over here And not even prioritize basketball Bro

Talk about coffee coffee culture bro It's popping in L.A He got other things in Coffee City I'm good on that bro Keep his ass over there in Miami That's mad to me about his enterprise He's gonna be in West Hollywood

Getting all those white people to buy his coffee Oh yeah exactly I'm good on that Plus you think Look Pat Riley has real static With LeBron Think about it If we're trading LeBron

that more than likely means he's going to have to trade brawny. I don't want to do that either. I don't want him to have his young and big career ruined by Pat Riley. I'm good. You know, as old as LeBron is, I still think in two years, so he might still be better than Jimmy Butler. I don't think there'll ever be a time

where Jimmy Buller's better than him, bro. Yeah, I think LeBron just might keep aging better. Yeah, exactly. I agree. No deal. Listen, if I'm trading LeBron, I don't want to run back the same formula with a slightly worse, old man. I want to tear the shit to the ground.

No deal. Exactly. Last but not least Would you trade into the Cavs for Jared Allen One first round pick and three second round picks I'm a man who enjoys storylines I think of fictional things happening all the time And this right here

Is the best ending to any movie possible Sir you are the GM of the Lakers Fuck the storyline I'm putting my line you want Jared Allen Listen I'm putting I am a glazer to the core bro I am putting LeBron and his storyline ahead of everything else put him in Cleveland again you doing right by him I think I would still do this I would still

want Jared Allen to be part of my team I could even if I trade him again I can get more assets for him I stack up some picks and rebuild this is a deal for me see that's the move that's the move you trade for Jared Allen and you tell him not to unpack your suitcase because he's getting moved again that's how that's how you maximize the straight you're telling him to stay in Cleveland Airport don't even come over here big bruh this way don't don't even fly out here we're not going to do the Jersey introduction or nothing it's But you're going to be on the Orlando magic by this time tomorrow. Stay home.

We're going to fortify their defense for them. Facts. Okay. That's the last one I had there. Next thing we're going to do before I get out of here. Which one should we do now? Talk about Trey Young. You know?

Okay. We led this episode off by talking about how Trey Young stared everybody in Madison Square Garden in their eyes and called them son. So while we're on the topic of Trey Young being in a hot moment right now. You're a villain This man, roll dice We're going to do our Disrespectful We're going to do our typical

Five level game What I'm going to do is I'm going to name five NBA players One by one You let me know who you'd rather have Trey Young Or this other point guard Okay

Who's better this year Okay That makes them more interesting Because Trey hasn't had like The best year So okay Yeah so we'll do it that way Which NBA point guard

Is better Right now Trey Young edition Level one, we got Trey Young or Jamal Murray. Trey Young, easy. Yeah. Even though they both haven't had

the most impressive scoring seasons in Trey's especially... Fuck. See that? Even when I mentioned Jamar Marie, I just like talking to us. Give me Trey. I get sick.

Literally. Level one, Trey Young clears. Level two. Trey or Derek White. Contracts included Derek White No very very good But if you're a team like the sell taste

You'd rather have Derek White But I think overall We can give credit to Trey Young For being the better player But a lot of teams Would rather have Derek White So Trey Young wins by just by a little bit Yeah

I think Trey Young gives your team Much more And Derek White is just a gap filler That's it You have a gap filler Yeah You get rebounds, blocks Spotup shoot 3

It's for you play make here He just does everything really well. He just helps you win a lot of ways. Yeah, he fills up a lot of gaps, bro. Exactly. Yeah, I guess what you're saying. It sounds more derogatory than you mean, I think. Oh, I know what you mean.

It sounds like you're like, yeah, he feels space. He's a guy. No, no, no, no. He takes up space, but in a great way. He adds to the room, you know? There's a certain person that takes away. He does not do that. I know what you mean.

Try and you survive just by a little bit. By the hair on your head, you survived. Just a tiny bit. It's not a lot of, but okay. Oh, my God. That's not what I was getting that. That's not what I was getting at. That's your miss.

You're throwing shots. I'm using a common euphemism. Level three, Darius Garland. Oh, he's, I think he's better than the Darrys Garland. Every single time he plays against the Cavs, he steals his lunch money every time. But is this season? But Darius Garland has had a way better scoring season, like way better. I'm going to give you on credit because we have a larger body of work.

He's the overall better player. he's better engine for a team. But Darius is on your goddamn heels. You better start shooting those floters better. Emberts NBA Cup gets the, he gets the boost for that game. This season, I'm taking Darius, Garlane. Ooh, you're a voted, so it doesn't matter.

Troy Young passes. It's close. I'm not mad at that at all. It's very close. Okay, level four. Jalen Brunson. This is where I have to be real. Man, right there.

Exactly. Who's that? Speak up. Who's it? Damn. Ram, I said. God damn it's Janembrson who cares. Anyways.

Sounds like Cartman. No, listen. I love Trey Young. Very good player. Very exciting player. Jalen Brunson is clearly the better player. In a regular season setting, it's been the case. In a playoff setting, it's damn sure been the case.

His ISO scoring is way more valuable than Trey Young's passing. Defensively, neither one of him moving mountains. I might trust Jaylen Brunson a little bit more, though. it's not close to me and Jayne Brunson is getting charged this too Treyan does put his body on the line like that See to me that just means that Jailen Brunson puts himself in risk of injury bro

That's all it is and he's putting more pressure on his backline Helping Deuce McBride and I don't trust that But for this conversation Jam Brunsson got it Yeah and I can all respect to Tray Young And his passing If he's not going to score fucking 40% from the field for extended periods of time

I'm not going to pick him over Jayon Brunson Yeah, he's not, he's not, he's not cooking like Jalen. Let that scoring come around, though, once again. Cooking with Jalen. He was trees. And level five with Shagulles, Alexander. I can't believe you said that. That is the most much that you've ever done.

And this is the end of the episode. If you're still here, comment cooking with Jalen. Just like that. And use some little emojis. Yeah, dance a little too while you'll comment in that. And we'll see you. We'll see y'all next week. And we'll see you next week in person.