The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put Historic NBA Duos In A Tier List | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

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Neutral. I'm going to show you guys a series of historic NBA duos from across the decades of NBA history. And we're going to put them in a tier list from S through F. So some of these are the best of all time. Some are nowhere close to that. They're F tier. Somewhere in the middle. We'll get a gauge of the entire history through NBA duos.

Perfect. First off, we have the goats on here. So I guess we can start magic and cream. Clear S tier? Clear S tier. Got to be. Clear Sere. Yeah.

Like you are out here. You are winning chips. You are defining your era. You are defining your team and your franchise for years to come. Yes, it's pretty cool when a duo has both their players at one point We're best player in the world Like they took turns That's pretty rare amongst all these duos

So that might make them number one to me That's just a cool thing that nobody else has on here Yeah, I agree When it comes to talking about thinking about the duos In NBA history, they help set that standard And they set a rare standard too That's only been seen since them I don't know, maybe one other time

When it comes to being the best in the world Yeah Okay, well next one we'll do Carson, I need your opinion on this Is you at the registered NBA historian in here Joel and Bid and Ben Simmons This is going to be F I mean I'm just thinking that's got to be the worst duo

who we're going to see today I would think so but you never know well I guess I'm yeah maybe I'm but I feel like nothing good I mean I mean Joel and B does have like a top 20 big man peak of all time

so like he is carrying some weight here he does but I just think like Simmons even though I think that Ben Simmons retroactively gets underrated now because people hate him so much because of the contract because of the passing out of the layup against the hawks like all that stuff

he was still don't okay doc he was still giving like all star level impact at this time but like again I'm just holding it to a high standard and I feel like this this is F compared to the yeah everybody on here I'm not putting a team on here if they don't have a legend so if one person is clearly not holding up they're in the bargain he's not and then Ambide compared to most of the number ones

just with the massive playoff dropping, I still feel like he's not going to hold up to most of the number ones. So overall, especially in the years with Ben Simmons. I think he got a lot better in the other years post-Ben Simmons. But during those years of Ben Simmons,

he legitimately wasn't like that top 15, 20 big man peak of all time. It was with Hardin and Butler, not probably, but with Hardin and everything that came after that. Like 22 to 34 points and 33 minutes. Yeah. Yeah.

We made some real shitters, I was going through my Twitter back in, I think the bubble, and I saw, I said something crazy along the lines of, I'd rather have BAM on my team than Joel NBee because of how poorly he played in the postseason that year.

You were a reactionary 19-year-old. That's crazy. Okay. Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. All right. They have a third star. So how does that bring it in? They had, you know, not all these guys had a third star on their team.

They did have a big three. But you do have a, like, this duo does get a ring so that that does elevate them to a certain. Many of them do on here. They could be bare minimum, like. They have to be C, probably. I think they're D, man. They could be D as well. Their peaks, they did not play together at either of their respective peaks.

KG was still awesome and was arguably the best defender on the planet at this time. And, like, that's why the Celtics were so great. They were such a great defense. But Paul Pierce, like, was a very good offensive player. He wasn't a top 10 player. So I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, compared to the team. Maybe C, though.

So that's not like a huge thing. I would not go above C but maybe they are C instead of D but I don't know man They could be D They're straddling that line I think if that's what we're deciding Between C and D

I think the fact that did have a third All Star and then a fourth guy Who was like he made all-star teams Years after like They had more help than a lot of these guys did For a lot of these teams Even some of one chips With just their star duo

I wanted to put them D initially I was just being nice All right we'll go out of D Okay well let's compare him Another Celtics group Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown see this this is weird because like they they got the chip but before a majority of their duo we spent so much time being like these guys can't play together these guys are are underachieving

so like i don't know how much the ring goes back and like fixes everything that we thought before that yeah but they were young and ascending and they got over those things they got better they both made two finals so if we're if we're talking about help though i mean that's just like one of the most ridiculously talented teams we've ever seen all around that could compensate for like when you did have a down shooting stretch for Tatum that didn't need Jalen to be like the best playmaker, just the overall shooting, talent, ball handling defense around them. I think D again.

I mean, I think if we had KG and Pearson D, I don't know how we could have these guys higher because Pierce is better than Jalen by a fair bit. They did six all-sorable talents on their team in the water championship. Yeah. All right. I think D.

Yeah, we'll go D. I'm fine with that. I'll take it. I'll go down swinging against the Celtics. Okay. Steph and Dremont. That's S-tier. can they be esther is two top 10 players of all time we'll see that we'll see similar quality again

i think draymond from my pound top five defender of all time but not a top 20 player of all time or anything it's when when this duo when this duo is is the nucleus of the of one the most modern dynasty that we've seen in NBA history and potentially the last dynasty that we that we will ever see in NBA history i do think that when you have somebody as great Steph Curry, and then you have, again, on the defensive side, somebody in Dremont, where their tandem works so well and so beautifully because it literally is basketball yin and yang. They should be S-tier. They have four chips. And even after all of this, to go down and they come back up and still win a chip when they are, when they are together, I feel like there's a

clear talent gap in the top three duos. I think that's where that's where you two differ. I don't know where you lie right now, Carson, but I would want to put them. I'm kind of in between but I'm lean more so maybe A because Draymond just isn't that caliber of he's not historic in that level as individual and this and this is why

this is why they won four rings because people have doubted them their entire lives and they had Kevin and ran for two of them it was not exactly just them putting the shit on their back I mean but this duo also like led a 73 and 19 like they've done legendary stuff before KD they won a ring afterwards like it's not just Kevin eight years legend to me

is legendary that's what I'm thinking like I think Isaac said it where, like, you're talking about two dudes who were top five, like MVP caliber. That's to me what S-tier is. However, you make a good case, Donovan, because the resume is there. I mean, I'm so high on both these guys. I think Steph's one of the greatest offensive engines ever. Dre is one of the greatest defensive players ever. They're both so insane on their respective side of the ball and complimentary offensively.

I just looked it up the other day. When these two dudes have played together, they have a plus 13 net rating over their entire careers. Like, that's ridiculous. That is the level of dominance. It's insane. That's the case that being said, I still think Dremont is just not the same level of talent. But it's close. If you put like instead of.

They are better than the sum of their parts. And I mean, I agree with that. At the same time, like, I know what you're saying. I did the top of eight tier, but we have the three best duos of all time that feel like they should be in their own tier. It's like, spoiler. Next one. Shack and Kobe. Yeah.

You're all going to SDI. Like it's like that's, that's okay. Like, and again, I like, I understand. I understand that they three peted. They were also the catalyst of four in eight. And to go to six finals in eight years and do all that stuff. You can't gloss over the Kevin Durant of that though. If it was Kemp and Steph, then I'd be like, okay, like, talent-wise,

these two can look each other in their eyes and they can also be like the best. Kady and Steph and Dremont. At their peak, yeah. When I think a duo, I'm just like two best players on the team. I can understand. At their peak, it's the second and third best player in the world. I'm saying what that, what that duo has been. able to accomplish when you look at the totality of their careers it's not should you always you always

geared towards resume in this but like also how good they are basketball matters like it's not just the team winning they did because all these guys want like all these duos have a ton of rings when it comes to like the like duo and what that word what that phrase tandem actually means I could understand that totally but in the NBA sense when it comes to like what do you do when I'm not when I'm having a down night what do you do like at an all time level that we've never seen before. It's just an entirely different breath of conversation with Kevin around. That's why Dremont holds them back compared to being with Shaq and Kobian, Kareem and

magic. You know, this is just a different caliber of talent. Yeah, it's not a whole team comparison. You know? What do you want to do with Gary Payton and Sean Kemp? We're hating hard. We're not hating all. It's eight years.

We're hating hard. They're a top of A. Nope. Who? Well, I'm trying to give you what you are, man. Oh, no. I just give you some.

I thought the same thing. I thought that Moe was putting GP in Camp top of eight here. These guys are probably like D? No, they're F. They might have to be F. I don't think you can put it in the same tier as people who have also won chips. True. GP was maybe the best, like, the fifth best player in the league.

Sean Kemp was like a top 20 player. Sounds to me that's pretty similar talent level to Jason Taneyman and Jen and Brown. and they didn't win one. Like maybe they're Dean but I mean they didn't win one because those two are just fucking otherworldly they didn't like care you know which not to take away from their role now they were obviously incredibly important but like I think talent level like they might be better than Tatum and Jaylon and Jalen Brown. I'm okay with crazy when you put on the same tier.

If you put these neither of these Celtics teams will be able to win back in the day too with that huge domino and MJ in the way too. So it's like can you really? Yeah I don't I don't think Tatum and Jaylon would be MJ either. I think you cooked, Isaac. I think we should not be too ring culture pilled. We have to understand context

and I think that they're pretty similar caliber to the other two in detail. Contextual thinking wins again. Not for long ago, we're gonna get reactionary pretty soon. Yannis and Chris Middleton. B.

Probably C, actually. They have kind of some of the thing Donovan was selling us with Steph and Dremont of like, more than some of their parts they fit each other so well and like,

they didn't have obviously the multiple rings that they had, but they had some years of like consistent number one Cs being the best teams in the East before their bodies gave out. That being Chris Middleton. I think they're C-tier. The fit is crazy.

Yonis carries. I think C because I think the only year they coincided at like close to their respective peaks was 20-21, where like Middleton was giving you like 25 a game with good playmaking in that run. Yonis had improved offensively compared to like 2019 and 20 when he had some really rough playoff series. But I just don't think they have the body of work. Some people will say Paul Pierce is better than Middleton and isn't Garnett

for 2008 comparable to Janus should they be in different years but 08 KG is not comparable to Janus peak KG absolutely but not by 08 I'm with you guys agree you see I put them in Cesar what are you thinking because I don't know where your mind is with this

I mean I think that I think KG and Pierce should be moved up probably to see but it's just because they're old it's hard to like divorce that but like I mean they still work great we're treating it like Kevin Garnett was in year 20 at that point But it's also not like, like, yes, they had, they had the rest of that team.

But they, they peaked when they first got together because, like, they get together and win the ring. They go to multiple finals, though, as with those two guys, they were in another conference finals. That stretch for, for like, four or five years, because even in 2012, they're in the Eastern Conference Finals and they lose the bronze. So, like, there's, there's multiple conference finals appearances. There's multiple finals appearances. They go to two in three years. like they have they have stuff to where like their longevity is also good so like i and so like i just think like they they're better than tatum and brown so that's why i would have them above

i actually think donovan has cooked i think that they are probably see okay we'll move them up we got no gripes i had me personally i wanted to hate on this all this but who kevin garenne russle westbrook they didn't win that sucks but when it comes to pound for pound and time they made the finals made a conference finals made multiple I think they probably belong in B, but because of the lackless success, they might be C or D. 20B because the talent is outrageous. 2015 KD is comparable to Janus in 2021 in terms of abilities. And 2015, Russ is better than Chris Middleton.

And obviously, they didn't get the ring. I don't care too much as that being like to end all B all for a duo's list. I think how good they are is the main thing. And that duo is more talented than Yonis and Chris. I agree. You just barely, though. Like it's comparable, but I think I'm fine, sliding them right above. Yeah, I mean, the big story is like them failing at the highest level, like blowing 3-1.

Like that's kind of kind of a damper. But they had the second, they had the second best player in the world and another top 10 player. And they were like driving 50 plus win seasons every year. And yes, they didn't win a ring, but the West was absolutely ridiculous. I think they lost the best team in modern NBA history. Oh, no. They lost the same team. Maybe they're low B, but I think they're B.

Yeah, yeah. And their shooting was, they were up three. one on that same team. It's also weird because, like, they, for two of their playoff runs, one of them was missing. Yeah. Like, you're two years in those runs where it's kind of weird because Russ gets hurt

and then KD was hurt for a second as well. They had a lot of runs, though, so it's not even like, you know, they set up plenty of other runs too. I think the time together also helps the argument. It's a lot of good bites the apple of great years together. I'm fine with B. Anthony Davis and LeBron James.

Wanted a championship. together in the bubble so it's a weird conversation because the bubble they were the best two players in the 2020 playoffs literally one and two in the world for the whole season they were number one and what five in the world AD that year six seven at the worst like legit top ten players that won together where damn near one they won't be

like AD was just as good as him damn near so pretty hot I think A I think AD was a top three player that season just because of how insane he was in the playoffs the only argument against it would be like bubbles fake doesn't matter bullshit we don't we don't do that that's not an argument we don't We don't do Bubbles fake over here.

I don't do it either, but, you know, I don't acknowledge it. The problem is just, the problem is just that AD then fell off so hard for 21 and 22. And then he came back up, but then LeBron wasn't like best in the world caliber anymore. I still think that one season, though, is one of the greatest duo seasons we've ever seen. So that puts them an A for me. And he also helps to have the best player on this list besides Prime Jordan and Prime LeBron. Okay.

Yow Ming and Tracy McGrady. Put them in a, oh, man. Put them in up. You just don't see it. They don't get out the first round together. They were cooler than Ben Simmons and Joel NBee, though. Kind of. At least they were more entertaining.

Yeah, but you don't have any type of baseline success with that team. Yo Kitch and Jamal Murray. Ooh. Great fit together. Once again, it's kind of like Chris Milton and Janus. They won together. They're still kicking it. Still consistently when they're healthy playing in the playoffs.

Hard to be. be I'm thinking B loki I think but if you're thinking B it's only because Yolkich is that level of player yeah he is a level player and I don't know I think him and Chris Jamal Murray and Chris Militin are comparable but we just got more good years of Jamal Murray

and they're still kicking it if they're together the playoffs they're the hardest out in the playoffs single handily with those two there like they're truly a duo offensively in that sense too like it's not like there's other stars around them like did we get more years out of Jamal Murray than Chris Milton yeah Jamal Murray still kicking it Chris Milton like you said had like two good years

where he was at his peak with Yanis had his peak contending Yeah, that was very short Yeah I think that there be as well I mean they are close But I do think it's what you said Isaac Just like the ridiculous offensive duo of it They're one of the best offensive duos ever

And Jamal is definitely a Yokic merchant on that But like the level he was at in 2023 That kind of shot making Even his playmaking like 25 a game efficiently And the 2020 run also Jamal was really really good The last couple have been disappointing But I think they are B to me

Because Yokich also like that the greatest offensive playoff. Katie and Russ are significantly more talented as a duo because Russ obviously clears Jamal. So the argument would be that they're closer to Yonis and Chris. But better fit. I think better fit for the next. Better fit for sure. Yeah. I just think like if you look at, and this is like the interesting part with Yonis and Yokits

and whenever you start looking at them, like their careers are so similar. Yeah. And especially in what they've been able to accomplish. Like when you look at the duo of Chris and Yonis versus Yokich and, and, and, Jamal, it's like, all right, you both have, you both had like a conference finals before you won the ring, you won the ring, you haven't been back to the conference finals since. You've been out in the second round multiple times, like, they are the same. So I would put them in C because you still have an all-time talent in Yon is the same way

that you have an all-time talent in Yolkitch. And then you have your sidekick, your number two in Jamal and Chris. I guess you could say to get to be the prerequisite is you have two like all-time talents and Jamal isn't that. so maybe they're the best in C. But they're so complimentary, man. Like the Murray-yokich two-man game, when Jamal is playing well

as as as good as any in NBA history. And it's the foundation of, like, one of the great offenses we've seen. I think they can be bottomed with B or top of C. We can put them top of C, honestly. I like keeping B super exclusive to just like, oh, both of you guys were actually top 10 players in the NBA at the same time.

Okay. Well, speaking of, I'm curious how you feel about this one, considering who's in B and them and C, having not won. James Hardin and Chris Paul Only one year of match it together But it was two years Well the second year Chris Paul was washed

He had a injury and he recovered with the OKC But he was bad the second year Yes I'll put them in D 18 was a good year But it was One of the best point cards of all time Still kicking it At damn his peak still

That was still peak risk ball for the 2018 And James Hardin had one of the most prolific scoring Primes of all time Next to one of the best playmakers of all time The team that was Two made threes away from toppling The greatest team of all time like was wait was how many three you said too many oh my god they made two out of 27 oh

they made two oh yeah seven the whole team is 27 straight yeah so it's like you have that and then this is not a team ranking don't and then and then the and then the next year both of them on on their home floor get bounced out in game six where james hard and once again is bad so i see man for they don't do chris paul was a top 10 player in 2018 he was ridiculous that year chris paul i just saw this graphic it's like fantastic in 2K. Combination of volume and efficiency, like the best isolation scoring season on record from Chris Paul.

He was ridiculous that year. Immediately adjusted to like a totally new system. Yeah. And one of the best offenses we've seen. And they actually were a good defense that year. And like if Chris Paul doesn't get hurt in game six, I don't know. Even as a Warriors fan,

like I think the Rockets could have won that series. So that season alone to me, it's just up a level from like what we're talking about in D tier. Like Tatum and Brown as a duo have never. ever been an engine like those two were. GP and Kemp never reached that level as a duo. They're just as talented as James Hart as Russell Westbrook and KD. I think they just a tier below that because they couldn't do it for as long as a one-year

thing instead of like four or five. But that's massive in NBA terms, but like one, one year, again, salute to them for that one year. One year is so different than four to five years where GP and Kemp have that, where where Tatum and Brown have that. So it's like, if you, if you want to give them, nod and say in that one year you were as talented and so now you can be in the same tier as these other guys who have who have success for four to five years okay cool but i don't think

that they should be above them is the is my old thing yeah i think it's why i think a duo list is way more about how good they are rather than as much as the team successes you're pouring into it and they are better than everybody outside of me don't care about like i didn't put them a goddamn eight tier what i just don't care about you are disrespecting shan i don't care about i would They made a conference championship. They didn't fucking flop in the first round. I will say. For one year.

Like they did it. They did it one year. And 100% of the years they were in their prong. They made a conference championship. One year. Like that's awesome. Which is why they're not asked here. I'm not saying they should be super high.

I'm so like it's great that they did it for one. You can't even do it for back to back years because one of the guys, they couldn't even finish that one year because one of them got hurt. So like you have Chris Paul who doesn't make it to the end of year one. They fall off it in year two. And so it's like for for Brown and. who went to two finals who went to multiple conference championships for for uh context is key exactly what are you talking about because they the war the houston rogks were able to do some that

year no one has was able to do at all in that era they came the closest by any by who's the third best player crick plincapella shout out you almost did like i'm i'm so happy for you that like the one and again one year they went all in and like they did their job they they pushed the word they gave us great drama it was amazing but you did it for one year and the next year you were just a regular team and then right after that you had to get rid of Chris Paul because he was so tired of playing with James Harding these other teams have built stuff and have accomplished way more than what than what Paul and Hardin did and so I don't think that they should be above them I think like I just at a certain what you do have to respect what duos accomplished

together and first of all we're just not doing that and so it's okay I understand I like I mean it's not okay but like we're just going to keep it moving so you want to put them in Yes, I would like to put them in deep But that's clearly not going to happen Because I'm outvoted three to one I'm just saying the way that we are approaching it With certain people is not It's not correct

Larry Burton and Kevin McHale Exactly and now we're just going to move on Oh okay hold on the last thing I'll say The last thing I'll say It's not just like obviously 2018 is their peak season 65 wins one of the great offenses Had a legitimate chance to beat the Warriors

2019 like yeah they were a little banged up Chris Paul wasn't the same they were still pretty clearly the second best team in the West and like they still played a really good series against the Warriors and that's the best Hardin's ever played against the Warriors and like that was an intense six so I don't know man I think that they aren't C anyways now we can move on to the whites

Larry Bird and Kevin McHale S2 no go ahead it's a it's their SRA I don't think I have a hard time with Kevin McHale comparisons in history. He's obviously super accomplished

and is one of the greatest power forwards of all time in the same way that like, Monjeanoblo is on the best shooting guards of all time because like you know, part of that team. But I have a hard time comparing him as a second best player in a duo

to like some of these other ones that I don't know. He was amazing though. He's amazing but I don't know where that line is for them. If you look at the mid-80s like when he really reached his peak, he has some ridiculous playoff runs like the 85 to 87 range.

He's averaging like our 80s. 8 to like 25 plus really efficiently and he was a really good defender I don't think they're S tier they probably should be S then if Stefan if Stefan Dremont aren't I don't know man I think they're A

I guess if that's that's the they are compared I I agree with that if you guys are going to put Stefan Dremont in A in A then Byrne McHale Art should be in A2 by that logic Okay yeah they're pretty similar in that like they're the anchors well-rounded team I feel like Draymond is more than like

he is the defense but I don't know I mean this Kevin McHaw he's great yeah he was like he was like top 10th player

S2 yeah we're not to yeah yeah that's the big three that I think are the S tier those three are

solidified the greatest three duos of all time top 10 players of all time I mean top 10 players in the league at the same time

top 30 players of all time at certain years some of them are best players in the world in certain years there are duo

was the best player in the world or top five in Scottie Pippin's case clear cut now now yeah

LeBron James and Dwayne Wade. That's a hard one because talent-wise, like, yeah, they're a, I could say a top-four talented duo, but deteriorated really fast. The fit wasn't great either, which I think matters a lot. Like, as a duo, they made a work because they're so talented, but we never really saw the synergy that strong outside of, I guess, 2013. They really got it together. LeBron's off-ball game was insane. So there was a flash of that, but it wasn't nearly as complimentary as, like, Steph and Dremond. And the winning wasn't quite as high because the longevity wasn't there.

you know that kind of separates s and a i think i think they're top of b bro am i crazy for that i just think like top of b yeah that's crazy 2011 d wade was was amazing he was a top five player and then the injuries really piled up and like he took a pretty significant step back for the next three years he was he also had a third star he was he was good enough in 12 to her it was like it was okay like that's the last one that you can say 13 and 14 are really the ones where it's like he's on the pitch count he's on like the low man yeah for real so if half of the time that you are not there you like it's not you know like up to par like that's what that's what i think keeps them out of out of s but they they they get together and again also like shout out

chris bosh like obviously there's other people on the team but like they get to four straight finals they win back to back which yeah what outside of yeah before before the worst they were like the last team to go back to back. So, like, I think they, I think they should be A. Yeah, I think A big sense to you. You're right. We have A.D. and LeBron there from one great year together. Yeah.

Let's call it two great years together with Dwayne Wade. Both the peak talents are just so high that I think the argument's probably the same for them both be A tier. You're right. I agree. I think they're low A tier. I've been moved. Damn, one team in B tier.

They released, but that makes sense because Katie and Russ really stand alone is a unique duo of talent that was like a tier talent but doesn't have the resume to be there. Like them being standalone doesn't surprise me. Yeah. They have something that every single team that on this list does not have, but also, like, strength-wise, but also weakness-wise too. Wait, wait. What do they have that other people don't have? They're star-studded, but also on top of that, too, they don't have, they didn't get it, we're able to get it done like the guys in S or A-tier.

But then when it comes to C-tier, again, when it comes to what other teams don't have, Chris Paul, shout-out to Chris Paul. Shout-out to Paul. Shout-out to, um, who's that over there at C-tier? Who's last thing? Jamal Murray. Yeah, Jamal Murray. They're not fucking with West or Westwood. Well, Chris Paul is.

Chris Paul is. Chris Paul is better. Yeah. But when it comes to the Chris Paul stuff, too, that's just like longevity. That's what just, that's what separates that duo. No,

I'm taking 18 Chris Paul over 15 Russ. But it's close. No, I think Mo's saying like the body of work, right, of what Russ and KD just having way more years in OKC. Camelo Anthony and Alan Iverson. I mean,

it's tough, but like it. Don't put him an F? Yeah. Or just off the list general They never made the finals They had one year together But they both average 25

Nice Great year Alan Iverson had it one more time And that's not even the duo That you would point Like talent wise yes But like the more accomplished duo Was him and Chauncey

Yeah for real So it's like yeah we gotta go ahead No I agree That 0 9% Chonci was balling that year But yeah I think they're F Yeah

Steve Nash and Amari Stottemeyer Yeah See I mean, Steve Nash wasn't MVP. No, I think he's significantly worse than, like, Chris Paul is the second option, that being Amari. And Steve Nash isn't like,

they're one of the greatest offensive duos ever. Yeah, yeah. But at the same time, it was always going to be extremely difficult to win a title with Steve Nash being as massive a defensive liability as he was and Amari at the five with his major defensive limitations. because like the crazy thing is not only were the sons like

among the greatest regular season offenses ever they were among the greatest playoff offenses ever and they still couldn't win it all because their defense was that below average and like it's because of these two I almost read similarly to they don't play like at all but cat and Brunton

like you're just not going to win with those two being the forefront of your team that is a diversion of seven seconds or less okay D tier it is then damn D-D they're just more talented than like Tatum and Brown though. Yeah, but they're also less talented than Hardin and Chris Paul, less talented than

Steve Nash is great, but his peak I wouldn't quite consider it to be with Jamal Murray and Janus. I think it's like just below that. I guess 08 KG is going to be. Amari is better than a Middleton or a Murray by a decent amount. Obviously Nash is not Janus. I'm very anti-5s that hurt your

defense. So I don't like, I'm to me that's like a wash because I'm very against five that sink your defense. If O. Wade's bar than you guys, me personally, I don't want to put the Celtics. Down to D. The 08? Yeah. Every time we do any type of list, you hate the 08 Celtics.

I don't hate them on purpose. I mean, you don't like them. Then bring it upon themselves. You certainly don't respect them. Maybe actually been quiet for a minute. I know. They shut up a little bit. You say that I wait until next week.

I mean, it's been like three weeks since Paul Pierce was declaring himself the greatest score of all times. So they haven't really been quiet for that long. Right, never mind. That was more about him to 08 though. Yeah.