The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put The Best 2nd Round Picks in NBA History In A Tier List | TD3 Clips
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We're going to do it to your list of the greatest second round picks in NBA history.
So all those stars that make up NBA history that were selecting the second round from across history.
Wow.
That was the most pointless sentence I've ever said in my life.
Roundabout way saying I got some modern guys on here.
I got some recently across some other eras all across the league.
Where do you guys want to start?
Let's just set the baseline.
Let's put Nicole Yokage S tier.
The greatest second round pick of all time.
And there's no competition.
I honestly, I think he's alone in this year.
I don't think we should put anybody else up there.
Yeah, I 100% agree.
I was thinking about it, like, who else could be there,
but it's like, if one guy is winning three MVP.
Yeah, yeah.
There's nobody that deserves to be within striking distance of him.
Yes.
Monagionnobly.
A tier.
That deserves A tier.
Wasn't never like the guy on a team, but so much sustained excellence
is an incredibly important part of the team.
There's players on here that are probably a little bit had more responsibility,
but nobody's more accomplished.
And, and it's also like just,
generally accepted that if Manu needed to do more, he could have.
Yeah, he sacrificed for his team.
That gives him brownie points.
Okay.
Mark you saw.
DPOI.
DPI.
It is stolen, but it's okay.
He has a championship.
He was a top 10 center in the league for a very long time.
All-Star level player.
Great defender.
Like, probably top 30 defensive player of all time.
Is he?
Offensively good.
He's probably B.
I think he belongs in B.
Is he, he's not better all time than, or on the same level all time as Manu?
No.
No, Monter just has so much accomplishment to him.
And like, like, always we're balancing how good they are and their accomplishments, like, all those things.
Yeah.
I think Manu has, like, utmost legacy points, like, peak, peak legacy points you could possibly have.
But I feel like, even with Markets all, like, the legacy points of being, I guess it's more singular to Memphis, but, like, being a part of that, like, grit and grind.
Like that, that is very big legacy.
That's a fun team that we remember.
It didn't, like, do anything.
You know, like, it's not in terms of, like, historically significant.
Yeah.
They got to the conference finals.
No, shout on them.
Cool era, but it's not, like, historically significant that we got to, like,
yeah.
He took grand grind to the finals.
Yeah, exactly.
I think when it comes to talking about Mark Gassol and his impact in the league, his,
him and his error in stint are, like, a third layer of NBA conversations.
No one's actually sitting down and talking about, like, man, like, you ran this.
Like, no, he didn't run shit at all.
I'm a huge Markisal respecter, though, so I think, I think B.
Yeah, I love Mark.
I think his ability is getting to beat here.
even though he didn't really have a mark on history per se,
like some of these guys,
but his abilities for a second round pick
to be a star like this,
if you're an all-star to me,
like you're damned or guaranteed to be B.
True.
Draymond Green.
I think he's eight-tier, for sure.
Yeah, I think he'd be the one
that's like pushing on S.
If you want to talk about legacy points,
what you do for the team,
what you do for the league,
everything you encapsulate as a player
and his abilities,
one of the greatest defenders of all time,
has offensive skills,
the perfect compliment
to the best offensive player.
We've seen in his position
in Steph Curry.
A tier.
I want to put a mess,
but it would look crazy
if at the end of this is just Yokichi and
Draibati? No. It was a huge gap.
We were decided. Nobody's stuck in Yokic. He is his own tier.
If there's ever been a tier list that deserves
to have one singular person is this one.
This is probably the most unbalanced
tierless ever with one guy above the rest. We've done.
Probably. Unless you're talking. It's more of like
a pyramid than a tier list. Yeah.
Unless you're thinking about like a team that has like one
top 10 player all time and nobody else. And I can't even
can't even remember who that would be. A magic
tier list. Shack's probably singular.
Actually, no, because then Dwight's there.
Whatever. Yeah. Gilbert Arenas.
How do you compare Gilbert arenas to Marcosol?
Markisal is better, I think.
But the peak of, I think, like, Gilbert's peak and him being an all-MBA player
and being this, like, future prototypical type of point guard where you are just going to go out and get buckets.
Very true.
It's very fun, but also the prime just lasted so short that I feel like we have to go see.
Yeah, I was thinking see as well.
Because it's like the prime lasted short, and then you came back and did what you did.
So we kind of have to go.
Markisal also has a ring.
You know,
it wasn't as one of the more important players,
but he has a ring.
Yeah,
I mean,
I mean,
it was damn mere pivotal for that.
I don't know if,
I'm not going to say,
I don't know if they don't want to ring.
But Jonas Valenzuela was the starting center there.
And they realized that that was a fucking problem.
They needed more of a presence.
And so Marcusol,
yeah,
definitely differs to B&B.
I know I said if you're an all-star,
you get to B tier.
I lied.
I changed my mind immediately.
Gilbert Rina is a C tier.
We can have all stars in C.
That is fine.
Well, I mean,
that no
go ahead
I mean it changes
when you're committing
felonies
on and off the court
pre and post
retirement
what are you talking about
okay
Chris Middleton
he might be
C tier
honestly
could be teetering B
though
low key
I'm thinking like D
I feel
he's a he's a
good player
but like
I don't think like
you're right you're right
he's he's good
Gimmaris is better
but Chris Middleton did have a year
where he was a pivotal part
of winning a championship
he just did more because
you know if you got drafted Xionis
and not drafted traded to be Dexionis
and Gilbert didn't so not his fault
but he played an essential part
of winning a championship
he did but that but that's also because like
one like he did the stuff
he scored 40 in the finals game
I do want to give him all that credit
his co-star at the time
was also running Dunkman
and needed somebody to take those shots
he did it but he was never like
an overwhelming score
in the way that like gilbert was so i think on like just talent that's why i'm putting them in a different
tier to quote donovan smooth at a certain point we had to pay respect to what the people
accomplish on the court and chris milton again second option on championship team all right fine
i guess that's that's fine i'm not saying you should be above gilbert i agree for what you're saying
that he's better but i feel like if one's a little bit one's better it's not like gilbert
arena's like a first team all NBA player it's not like he's exceptional yeah you know so i think
he's better than a guy who's barely an all-star but accomplished less that feels like even to me
I think we both have the same amount of all-stars.
Gilbert arenas does have three all-mbias to his name.
But Chris has medal to his name, too, and also...
Metal to his name.
What do you mean metal?
Ring.
Yeah, he was a ring.
Oh.
That's steel.
Yeah.
I thought he said, like, like, Olympic thing.
No.
I was like, do you play in like the people war?
No.
I'm not talking point at all.
He did.
He did that year they sucked and they didn't win.
Yeah, I mean, he was a part of the reason.
But anyway.
Dennis Rodman.
I know, we asked the job.
You lost the World Cup.
I can't respect
Kevin Durant
When I see you
Dennis Rodman
Does he belong in B as well?
Actually no
I feel like for
For somebody who is as
influential and impactful
To the Bulls
And to the Pistons
And multiple like dynasties
Or just like iconic eras
He kind of has to be A
Yeah, you probably
I'd be right next to Dremont honestly
Yeah
I got to think Dremont is a little bit better
For things we talked about
In the episode today
But everything's distracting
distance of each other, similar mold.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Yeah, I had them right next to each other.
Isaiah Hardinstein.
The newly minted champion, Isaiah Hartensine, champion on a starter champion.
A starter on a champion.
Definitely detere for sure.
We could have F conversations just because like these are.
Is he the worst player on here?
It's, there might be a tie.
It's a tie.
But he won a championship as a starter.
I will say if I ask the question, is he the worst player on here?
and we can confidently say
like it's a tie yes
we might have to put him in F.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's more matter
of who I picked
rather than they got to
a little meta.
But okay,
we can go Isaiah Hartstein F tier
just because they're all good players.
Yeah,
he's a great player.
Somebody has seen the bottom.
Fred Van Vleet.
Is he better than Riley Hartzine?
Yeah,
he's,
he won a,
he made an all-star team.
He did make an all-star team.
Yeah.
I think he belongs indeed.
He made an all-sart team
the year after Kau-Laf
when they still maintain
relevancy post-coi
and were like surprisingly good
stack up on people.
Yeah.
Let's put him in D.
Because he also was like, look,
Hardinstein was great for the team all year.
But there were times where like they weren't really playing them,
even in the finals.
Yeah.
Van Bleet was hitting shots.
Yes.
Key part of 2019.
He's a pillar to,
he's been a pillar to two different teams in his career.
Like one of the most important factors.
And Isaiah Harstine's is simply not that at all.
Yeah.
And listen,
sometimes Rockies fans kind of hate him,
but important part of their turnaround.
Exactly.
Alex English.
also
8 tier
immediate 8 tier
the only
besides Yok is probably
the only superstar
on here
whoa
what
superstar
Alex English
yeah
Taylor's a superstar
the whole famer
no that's not
well I'm saying
Carlos Boozer
oh
B tier
B tier very solid
I think
Marcus Hall's meaning
to be better
than Carlos
Boozer
but I don't know
Coles
did have some years
on the jazz
like
I feel like he's
I don't feel like
he's C tier
he's just one of
inconsequential all stars
like the 2000s
like there's
like there's just guys that you just, like, forget about.
Yeah.
I'm taking Carlos Boozer, because he.
I'm taking Markisaw's career or Boozer.
And I think at their peak, I'm taking the defensive acumen and spacing of Marcosal.
Yeah.
But is your beard crispy?
I mean, is it, come on.
I'm just saying he got it crispy.
There is a sharp line there.
By any means necessary.
What is the process to that, though?
And I, you know, we know, no, no, no, no, no.
We don't put enough.
I like that.
We don't put enough respect
I'm called Boozer's
Beard game.
It's like Barry Bonds
Before the PEDs
he had good beard
There was a prime there
Before he decided to cheat
And even though that
I don't like cheating
Like just in general
Sometimes you're so outlandage with it
I have no choice
But to respect it
Because it's like if you're gonna live like that
Go ahead
Do what you want to do
Kyle Corver
F2
F easily F
Shout out of all time now
Ben Wallace
I think he's up below
A tier?
I mean, if we put Rodman
In 8th, well, Rodman has
Four-time D.O-I won a championship
as either the best player
or one of the core
They're all similar at good levels.
We can go A-T-R, that's fine.
Yeah, we can go A-Tier.
Eight-Ters is packed.
Four-time DPOI is insane.
A-Tier is packed right now.
But none of them should be like,
that makes sense.
Markis-all being right below them
makes sense to me.
So it's a weirdly,
it's a weirdly distributed list,
but it's making sense.
Yeah.
And last one at least,
Jalen Brunson.
Aha.
I'm going to age here.
I think to go from where, from where obviously the second round picks,
but he's had deep playoff runs.
He has had good playoff runs.
He is an all-NBA player as well.
I think offensively like,
offensively he's been as good as you can ask,
as you can like reasonably ask of somebody.
But he's an all-star, best player on a team that's like making finals,
runs. They're making pushes. They're a threat in the
conference. They're not necessarily like going to win a
championship. I don't think that probably never happened. But they're
a relevant team out there and he's them
he's the engine of that team.
I do feel like also
the jewelry though in a tier like
those guys are all decorated
but they're not the guys. Yeah.
I think I mean their careers are over. Let's just wait
another five years and see what happens.
Yeah, I know about anybody. But I think Jim
Brunswick belongs in A tier for
slightly different reasons. He's been of course
like the top 10
11 player
back to back years
and then on top of that
so you almost even want
to drop him an F
but anyways
My only hesitation is
Marcus Hall's beat here
Marcus Saul is probably also
like the 11th best
playing the league
for some years
also took the team
to know conference finals
But did he sacrifice money
like Jalen Brunson?
Hey, he's dumb
that's not my problem
I'm almost wondering
if it's like the same resume
as Marcosol
like I appreciate
I think Jalen Brunson
maybe you tell me he's a little bit better
okay
but I almost feel like
It's comparable to Marcosol
And it's a real similar resume
But mind you
Markisaw did that over a career
We're talking about what's been going on in the last
He's pushing 30
In the last two three years
Jayland Bruns is pushing 30
He's 28
He's pushing 30
He's turned 29
Yeah relax
He's about turn 29
I low key think B tears
Probably the answer
You know I want to go A
Yeah
I think if you made the finals
Then he could be A easily
Yeah
So far I just didn't there yet
There's a lot of players, of course, history that, like, at this point, like, at this point,
he's at this point, he's on a good team in terms of, like, a few years of, like, being really good
and talented.
He's just on a slightly better team that's making it further than the playoffs.
And he's not a felon.
Like, that's why he's your hires.
That's two tiers.
Yeah, he's not a felon.
But I do think Brunson will get to A tier.
You can't play in the NBA in a jail cell, and Brunson is nowhere near that.
He's a good podcaster.
I'm putting him in A tier.
I do think he'll get to A tier.
I think for now, it looks a lot like Markersoll's career.
Okay.
But he will get there.
He'll get there.
He's going to find us.
Gilbert?
He's got the connects.
What'd you say?
So does.