The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put The Greatest NBA Players Of All Time In A Tier List | Ep. 158

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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discourse spanning generations we are going to put the greatest NBA players of all time into a tier list those would be the biggest tier list you've ever done we have 60 players damn and I've spent spent a lot of time like honestly like even throughout ranking season like I do think that in preparing for this one I feel much more confident about where I want to put people in their tears and like I don't know I just I went probably a little bit deeper in this one than the other one because even like two years ago when we did our greatest players of all time and we did what top 30 I think yep obviously this is double that so it's like really really much more like the minutiaa

of like where the players are at this will be our most serious heated debates ever we're getting deep into the granular differences between every legend we're taking this the utmost seriousness we could ever take our contents I'm just preparing for whatever B.H you guys put it to my face because whenever you say that, it's a complete opposite. Key the HR music. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. So, like we said, biggest cheerleys who've ever done, 60 players, which also means the most categories have ever done. as you got to see on the screen we have eight categories to start

maybe we'll add more as we go we got literally goaded legend in another life year of the goat respecting our elders blocked by the goat your favorite player's favorite player one of the good ones and here damn

blocked by the goal is such a damning category but it's also real too well yeah we'll get into what they all mean over time we're gonna sort everybody into this and like I said maybe we'll add our categories as we go whatever we feel necessary it'll be deep deep

deep discourse. I'm prepared. I've prepared as much as I possibly can. First player up of the 60. Akeem Elijah one. Let's start there. Let's start with a great player. Where do we feel like he belongs?

See a legend? He's for sure a legend, at least. Is there an argument that in another life or the goat? Can he be the goat in another life? Could he be the goat in the 2010? I feel like he kind of hit his potential though. I don't feel like there's like anything we can look at and say if it wasn't, for x or z with something happened to you something that held you back

contextually the only thing that held them back contextually was facing michael jordan but he got his rings him yeah and it's like you played in the era where they're where they are prioritizing your position exactly yeah and what in your skills and everything so yeah he's but what if you plopped him in the era in the 2010s and he was like his priorities his position was complete ass his only competition would be like Tyson chanler and dandre jordan that's a good point it's a good point maybe he would have dominated in so well that he got two rings back to back. Yeah, maybe he like gets three rings or something like that.

But isn't it more impressive to have better competition and then still get back to back rings? That's what I'm saying. Well, he's saying that maybe he could have been the goat if he played in 2010s when the competition was weaker. But he still would have had to be the Bronjames and beat the Miami Heat and the Cavs and the Warriors. So that is very true.

I think he's a good voice to start. That's a legend for sure. All right. Charles Barkley. Oh, yeah. That's blocked by the goat. That's why it's here. There's the poster boy for blocked by the guy.

Every time we do it to your list, you have to set your standard. Charles Barkley is the guy. There's several goats from several generations. So it's not just guys who lost Michael Jordan every year, but guys who lost to Michael Jordan every year and have a resume that is not shit compared to other players of his caliber in all-time history, you have been blocked by the goat.

Anything that you could have accomplished in the playoffs, anything you could have accomplished from a team perspective, all comes down to you couldn't beat the best guy. And he said that too. He said that he had never ever been on a basketball floor and thought that anybody was better than him and then he played Jordan and then he's like, okay, he got it, he got it.

Yeah, that's how it goes, that's fair. And, you know, is there any other, could you put him in your favorite player's favorite player? I don't know if Charles Barkley's adored like that. I don't think he's somebody that, like, not as like a player perspective. I think if we're talking about, like, media personality, he's everybody's, like, favorite media person.

But he's the NBA player's favorite media personality. Probably not. He's always like, he's always talking down on players. making fun of players that he wouldn't you know back then when they used to do the who that game or whatever uh where they like guess right of yeah no players like no players like no players like that's the same level of shack but yeah he's he's not quite the yeah the most loved player but he gets the he gets the passive like oh that's just chunk yeah

whereas like where's like shack is like this hate in this old bit motherfuckers in reality they're just saying the same thing charles just says it funnier yeah Paul george favorite player that's your favorite players favorite player especially with the young players today like I think he'll be hard to gauge in history on how his career goes in terms of what the next generation thinks of him when they look at you know exactly you know exactly what it is and and this this specific weekend there's three players um that like this cat or as you know four players that this category really exemplifies for me yeah it's kairi it's paul george it's tracely and like those are the four players where uh no no

matter what anybody on the outside is going to say people who like played in the league always going to be like you don't understand like he was he was here he was here like how however great of a level you think it is they're going to take it another level yeah i can totally imagine in 30 years when people are making their docs and like lebrons talking about the miami heat teams and talking about that section of his career in his retirement doc he's like people don't remember paul george before the injuries problem six nine could garby up and down the court like all this stuff just like romanticizing his style of play yeah see that yeah i agree paul georges does a lot of things kairi does a lot of things mellow even to his degree too

does a lot of things and also timac who's like damn near the poster boy of this does a lot of things that look cool look elusive he just captures hearts of the young fan's eye and he just taps into places where someone like charles barclay can't do yeah okay do you want to put carmelo anthony in the same tier are your favorite player's favorite player hell yeah yeah yeah Hell yeah. He exemplifies it. Because he's not quite, is Kamala,

I think he a legend? Does he like, I think if you deserve legend tier, like you're in that tier, but I'm pretty exclusive of what I think is a legend. Camillo's on the tier. If you tell me he's a legend,

I'm not going to be like, no, he's not. But I don't know. What does that mean to you? What does legend mean to you? And in the terms of like, I can understand you in terms of like overall NBA impact

and how important you were to the game, maybe he wasn't ultra important. He's on the edge. What he was able to do. and how talented he was, I think he's a legend for that right. Plus he's a Hall of Famer, too. Yeah, I just like...

These are all Hall of Famers, so keep that in mind. Almost all these players are Hallfamers. I just, like, for Mello, it's just going to be hard because for the next 20 years, whenever you go back and start looking through, like, record books and stuff,

like, he's at the top when it comes to, like, point score, but whenever you start looking at, like, playoff brackets and stuff, and who's making these long runs, he's not really there. If you start looking at, like, MVP stuff, he's not on those ballots as much as you would want.

But he's super respected by his peers, though. And, like, it's like a Hall of Fame talent and potential. It didn't, like, amount to what some other people would do that are peers of his. So, yeah, you're right. He's probably even more your favorite player's favorite player than Paul George. Yeah. Also, I found out this week, because I was watching his, his Hall of Fame speech, I don't know why I'd, like, never saw this or did anything. Found out that he's Puerto Rican, too.

Oh, yeah. And I did not know that. Really? Yeah. You felt seen? I was like, yo, this is my God. I was like I already

Representation We love it Already one of my favorite players Of all time Yeah Another level That is my god I don't think our fan base

Knows that you're mixed though I think we've said it several times I don't think they know They don't they don't They don't understand But to the Afro Latinos out there You know what I'm saying You get down

I love it How I know is he's not one of us And I understand Bill Russell Respecting our Actually no Goaded Yeah I think you're literally goaded

I think that can be a tier of like for every generation you're that guy he's literally goaded like he just is for all the reasons on and off the court it's undeniable I would put him in tier but you can't do that with him yeah he's the only one from that era that ducks that respect to the eldest tier

exactly yeah for maybe reasons that are like inconsistent but we're gonna do it he's gonna be literally goaded yeah no I mean it's not even it's not even inconsistent he has way more rings than everybody for sure for sure you know like if everybody else had like two rings three rings

And he's the only one where it's like, yeah, only yours count, that's fine. But the fact that he has every ring from that era, all of them. It's like, all right, you got it. Yeah, I agree. Karim Abdul-Jabar also literally goaded. Or is he legend? Like, or no key? If you have an argument to be the goat, that's what I'm going to say.

Maybe he's in another life for the goat because he had the argument. And then there's no argument from him over Jordan and LeBron. He was the goat. Exactly. In another life. Okay, we'll use that tier differently. But, okay, so we'll use that. We're going.

Yeah, I won't make that tier of that. Because if that was going to be the case and then we'd literally go to it, it would be two people. So we're not going to do that. Okay. Alan Iverson, where does he fall here? He could be your favorite player, a favorite player. But I think he might have an opportunity to be a level ahead those guys. I think AI is a legend because he has like, because obviously everybody, everybody, all these players amazing.

Everybody loves all these players. Alan Iverson's influence outside of just basketball, like, you know, the dress code and everything. So it's like, I think that's a legend. Because even at like a little league basketball level type of thing where you have like seventh graders put in on shooting sleeves and headbands and all this stuff, like you affected every piece of basketball culture. So you're probably a legend. He's such a your favorite player to favorite player to an extent that has a force multiplier that makes him a legend. like he everything that that category player does and why they're so admired he does to the umpteenth level that bracing a legend here he's also a legend too because he's he's one of the few legends

that doesn't hate alan iverson true will not he will not hesitate to show to show love to any player you know it sounds like it sounds like he he's one of the few players on this list who could touch every single category here to some people he's literally the goat because of the play style at that point guard position in another life. Hey, if you popped him in the in the 2010's 2020s, he's easily like a top 10 player for sure. So it's like, do you feel like he fits this generation better? Um, I think he would evolve his play style. No, they hate him though. Yeah. But do you think he would have maybe he would drive more. His warts are product of the era. Yeah. And I think that error encouraged his greatest weaknesses. Maybe today he would be have like been encouraged to play

differently in a way that like we can proceed better over time. Exactly. I think he has the talent to go ahead and mesh and mold into and like be able to look at any star point guard today and do exactly what they're doing maybe even to a higher degree outside of maybe like step on. He'd be a point guard today so I think he low key would be very similar to Chey and like the weaponizing the scoring but

make him be a lead guard. He's obviously like smaller and like different skill set but yeah I wonder if he would be remembered better. Yeah. But then again he's a member really fucking well. So yeah. It's such a He's legend for a reason. Yeah. Okay. Bill Walton. One of the good ones.

True. Okay. True. I wonder why. He plays the right way. You're one of the good ones. What does the right way mean? He really did. He actually played the kind of right way. Legitarily. First player?

Yes, very much. Not too flashy. He just got the job done. Yeah, he won an MVP averaging like 16 points a game because he was a great passing hub and like, he was like the OG unselfish big man that like he was a good post score. Like he could have been that guy. He was like that in college as a go-to score.

But played the game the right way for sure. First one and last one out type beat. 100%. He's one of the good ones. Yeah. Jason Kidd. Ooh. Here's a thing.

This is weird. Respecting our elders, this isn't what we mean by this. In 30 years, he will be respecting my eldest of a player. Whenever 90s players are the elders, he'll evolve into that, but that's not old enough yet. So it can't be that. I don't know where he can fit in this at all. He's nobody's favorite player. Certainly not.

Nobody's favorite human. Can he be one of the good ones? No, that's a very specific type of player that he halfway doesn't fit. partially it's not a here it's not a here damn because like he led teams to the finals he's too good for that maybe did maybe he needs his own category he's just like an average all-time great this is so weird then that's like that's a oxymoron but he is average hall of famer like that again average hall of famer is one percentile player but in terms of accolades he's just a mid legend yeah like he did things so he's not a here damn he's not

in beat he's not like the type of guy that never made a finals run like he took took teams places but also isn't etched in the history books as like one of the guys isn't a top tier peak but is a very good peak like that is a average hall of famer so what's the actually that's a bad phrasing because the hall of fame has a lot of like for sure weird picks that are there for like the voters have a place in their heart for these old ages and stuff a lot of people get in barely so maybe just average legend but we have legend here so what's the what's the what's the tier name that that we're going to have to to to name this because like he is for yep i think a dude

as he was against a good dude yeah you were not like like word you were nice i have no idea people forget people forget about jason kid people will forget yeah people forget just a lot of five different areas yeah we'll put that's right below block by the goat okay we'll go new tier oh i did that wrong uh how do i add new year people forget they're sleeping at a road below yeah people forget man and that's Jason Kidd people forget about Jason Kidd

because I feel like when you talk about that era point guards people I think the history books remember Steve Nash So this is going to be like the He really was a problem kind of too Yeah he's really good But maybe like the history books won't remember him And like the next generation will forget about them

But people forget he was him Okay Yeah And that's Jason Kidd do a T Okay Okay next up Kobe Bryant legend easily a legend

so obviously some people will say literally goaded that he deserves to be in that tier what do we want to do with the Kobe Bryant discourse what side do we want to follow we haven't had to talk about Kobe like all summer in another well see I can't even say in another life because his whole game is molded off of Jordan

and so like you only get to be Kobe if there is a Jordan so if there is a Jordan then you can't be the goat and he kind of reaches potential you know like he got a three beat one two chips on his own like I don't really see there's any type of like meat left on the bone there that we could argue in another life. And we can't argue that he's literally the goat. He's the goat in like in certain aspects and when it comes to influence and stuff like that. But I think he belongs firmly in like legendary, fulfilled his every ounce of athleticism that he has developed his shooting.

He was a good defender for his position completely and so, so much at the point to where like his defense is seen as a big thing. Yeah. So yeah, I think he's legendary. You know what? The word legend outside of the context of sports means like you're a legend in that your name rings out because of like a story's told about you and there's a certain air about you

that is remembered in the way people talk about you like an urban legend like that type of phrasing using the word legend. If we're going to treat it in that way like you are legendary, Kobe's the ultimate legend now, especially post death with the mama mentality stuff. He is of legend in sport.

Did he get pieced up by Matt Barnes? What the fuck? But like I've never seen a player get pieced up and like it'd be an aura moment like damn bro he ate that no oh you mean when you try to scare him he didn't jump yeah that's what i mean oh yeah i mean matt barnes didn't fight him yeah it was uh well i think it was like chris child or something something yeah somebody yeah somebody punched him but not matt barns matt barns didn't punch him matt barns through the ball on his face and like try to make him jump and he sat there and took it didn't flinch at

i've never seen like a player gain so much aura and people make edits out of something like that yeah no he is of legend for sure this is the other way people romanticize him and that's got and that's what the legend here is your game's romanticized in his and people were like, oh, he's so tough, but in a more eloquent way, that is Alan Iverson, that is Kobe. To be honest, that's really not Hakeem, but we'll put him there.

He's in there for different reasons. Yeah, yeah, different reasons, but... But maybe he should be in another life you're the goat, but I don't know. We'll see. Now, there's be a specific argument for that. Yeah. Okay, Ben Wallace.

Ooh. This... Where does he fit here? Unfortunately, it's either... He's either your favorite player's favorite. player or i think he's your favorite player's favorite player he's a very specific niche archetype yeah very specific niche one of the greatest defenders of all time and it's he's a great defender in a way that is

very much your favorite player's favorite player it's very cool in the same way he does crossovers on defense essentially he is an or a type of defender okay yeah and the fact that like he was on that he anchored that like 2004 pissing team yeah like you know ultimate like power of friendship and we just falling and got out the mud like that's very Ben Wallace Larry Bird he is one of the good ones

you don't think you should be a legend well listen in another life Larry Bird could be the goat I was thinking in another life really goat in that's the back stuff

is the main thing that like you could say if his body never gave out in another life he could have racked up even more rings and like what if Larry Burke got to six rings

would he have a goat conversation because he's always viewed So 1A, 1B with magic In regards to, like, their placements They're all, everyone is like sloths them in four and five or whatever But like, what if he had longevity more than he could have been like caught to six rings? What about, okay, so, yeah, there's a lot of worlds where Where I think you can make the argument for Larry Bird to be the go, if like one thing goes.

If Magic Johnson never existed in their life, they're like, if Magic Johnson, no, no, no, no, not even this. And Magic Johnson didn't get drafted to the Lakers. Yeah. And he wasn't saving some chips for them. And they all went to the Celtics and he built rustled the era. Which, like, by all accounts, like, could have happened if Showtime didn't get put together because the Clippers traded the first overall pick to the magic for no reason. Yeah. I mean, to the Lakers for Magic.

I think Larry Burr could be another life for the goat. Yeah, I think the probability, sure. There's, there's that, like, if integration never happened, he'd be the goat. Correct, correct. The league's not a color barrier, Larry Burr for sure be the goat. And if for that regard, you get the category to yourself. You got it. Okay.

Dwight Howard. here damn yeah for sure didn't make top 75 and people act like it was a travesty him being placed on our top of and I feel bad because like he should have been on the NBA

top 75 for sure he just got into the Hall of Fame but it's like people are going to look at him and they're going to remember everything else outside of like the basketball yeah we talked about I think

either last week of the week before when we talk about like offensive basketball Dwight had So much meat left on the bone. 100%. And people also just didn't like him. So I don't know if he had a lot of meat left on the bone offensively. His bone just didn't have a lot of meat on him to begin with.

Like there wasn't a lot of skill to be. Either way, I'm hungry. Yeah. True. Either way I'm starving. Yeah. And he, he's like the opposite of people forget where I think that connotation of that phrase is like

people forget he was a problem. People actually forget about Dwight's. But you know why that's the case? It's because most of the time people see him and view him as, he just says that most of the time, negative light shine on him, whether it be through, like, the internet developing slowly, Shaq. He did

such a damning thing to his reputation in his career, bro. He did so much damage to how we view him these days. For sure. Shaq and Kobe. Do you want to make a tear list for Shaq? Just his dickhead? Okay, so we'll keep him keep him there in here, damn. Pete Marevich,

one of the good ones. True. Yep. Keep it pushing. Salute. Salute. Kowai Leonard. oh man you might have a new tier right now what's going on with these allegations oh criminal tier let's go uh where does kawai go he can't be there's a little bit of your favorite player's favorite player in there yeah a little bit but i think the health stuff and like if he was a fiery personality or even like he needed to be a fiery personality or be super consistent i think

to have your favorite player's favorite player thing so he's gonna koai's probably and the people forgot yeah he could probably i think he'll end up fitting there towards the end of his career because of he has no MVP he has a couple of championships and all that of course Loki is he a legend? Loki! No, he's a legend for sure. Well, he's about to be.

No, no, no, he's for sure a legend. Now I'm thinking about it. You got to sell me on this. On the side of entering legend status for what that sounds like, like the urban legend aspect of it of like the story of that player, the way 2019 Kauai was talked about as his basketball Terminator that he's not here for a long time, but he's here

for a good time. He might not be there for 82 games but when he plays, killer. Wanted championship as a contributor, 2014, that went to a team as a mercenary, got them a ring, everywhere he goes, silent assassin. The Clippers era has kind of dampened this a little bit. But I think the pre-Clipper stuff will probably reign throughout history for his reputation. Okay, but I will say he's kind of in that like Grant Hill range where like when old heads talk about Grant Hill, they're like, oh my gosh, like he could have been so great.

he was, you know, he was, but it's like, but you, I don't know, you were never going to say that like Grant Hill was like the goat before all of the injuries. It's kind of the same thing with Kauai's like, yes, he's, if the injuries never happened, he's still going to be this great player, but he was never going to be the greatest player of all time. So maybe, you know how, you know how people say like the man, the myth, the legend? Yeah. Maybe he's just the myth.

Like, maybe that, that's what Kauai is. Okay. So it sounds like he's in another life, but you don't, you don't think his potential for of the other life is goat tier? Yeah. What if he never had injuries at all? And he just got to 2018 through 2021 level and stayed that level for 10 years of playing full seasons.

You don't think that's like goat level? No, I think that's in another life level. Like you said, if none of those injuries happened, he would perfectly like pop-off-off- Okay, okay, okay. I don't think he's legend. Okay, so then I think what we should do is he gets a hypothetical legend tier,

new tier, hypothetical legends. Players that could have been legends, but something held them back. But I don't know, I feel like he could be a legend. considered that like for what he did was such a little opportunity yeah but i just think like he's probably the reason why i don't know the reason why aline people forgot is just because one he's so quiet and so unless he's playing basketball in 10 years we're going to forget about kawai and then as you go through the story like of the NBA you're going to be like oh yeah like kawai does have two

finals of the pieces it's not there yet though it's hard to say yeah but it's still just like a very like weird and choppy history to where you can find there's enough gaps in between all the things that he does to where you can forget about what he did or what he was so do you like the idea hypothetical something like giving him another time of like another life type of tier but for non-goats hypothetical legend or something like that if man if man yeah let's go if man but he has a chip though that's disrespectful when he actually did do the thing he's supposed to do yeah he has a chip but then also again too like you said like there's he there's no one else in NBA history maybe maybe one other player who you sit down you're

just like again going back to what you said you're still hungry you want more you feel like there could have been so much more had but they're just constant failure after failure and disappointment disappointment after disappointment okay it's go mr hypothetical then as the name of it and that can mean multiple things for multiple people his version mr hypothetical is like no he'd have one of the best crimes of all time if it didn't get hurt i promise we're going to end up with a million tears after this yeah okay so mr hypothetical let me zoom back out realign this yeah we have so many tears

and that's okay uh kevin garnett your favorite player's favorite player could be a legend he's he's one of those two things uh legend i think but he also is super your favorite player's favorite player yeah he's like very much

2008 makes him legend 2008 gets him just enough that his level of assfulness gets some legend and also like he has the same effect too as he keen where every offseason someone is trying to work out with him someone's trying to gain some knowledge some more some aggression and some something he did that with yannis a couple years ago this past summer he did it with wemby he's done it with like lebron i believe a four two he's one of them old heads that you

have to go ahead and respect yeah and it's very he him and a i i i'm really you really have to give people credit because not everybody does this but kg is very quick to give people their flower to give people their props because he was yelling at paul pierce because paul pierce was saying something he was like it's like no lord like it's the new school you got to get on it you got get on it like he respects new basketball okay tracy mcgrady mr hypothetical is he that or is he your favorite player's favorite player your favorite player your favorite player your favorite player he i guess you're saying i think mr hypothetical supersedes all that whatever so he does have that element whose game years are right but he's also at mr hypothetical if he didn't get hurt he was going

ban for which element doesn't you have more but he but mr hypothetical is his entire thing no but he also had opportunities he had opportunities in those in those years where he was Isn't that, like, in his prime years that those got taken away? No, but, well, so some of his primaries are taken away, and the ones where he got to play got taken away by his teammates getting hurt. So he couldn't really contend to do anything. He was out there dying in the first round by himself, putting up shit numbers because he had no help.

And people were like, if he had Grant Hill didn't get hurt and he actually signed and was a star, he could have contended. If Yao Ming's body didn't fall apart, he could have contended. If his body didn't fall apart, he could have maybe find a new era. To me, he is quintessential, Mr. Hypothera. Yes, you're right. But at the end of the day, whenever people and the NBA lands, Skip in general talks about Tracy McGrady.

You never talk about what could have been had. It's always like, God damn, he was so good and what he did. I completely agree. I think the fact that the fact that Timak and like Timak had an interesting build in that like he is like 6-8 playing two guard. So like he's he's kind of different from Kauai where like Kauai's build lends him to play the three where T-Mak is kind of unique. in this sense where he's two, three inches taller than what Kobe is can do everything that Kobe is, is, you know, averaging 30, all this other stuff. I agree with you guys.

He fits very well into your favorite players, favorite player. I don't disagree. I just think if we have a Mr. hypothetical tier to not include T-Mack would be like... That's a layer. You're absolutely right, but I think it's the second layer to me of his career. They go hand in hand, so I see what you're saying. Like, the fact that people love him so much lends to the Mr.

hypothetical because, like, they love him so much. They're like, trust me, if you could have done this, like, it's hard to separate those two. But I don't know. I just feel like at the end of the day, his story is defined by what could have been. He's the ultimate if he didn't get injured type of player to talk about, I feel like. I don't know. I don't know because I could say the same

thing about Paul George too. Like he went ahead, snapped his leg back back when he was ascending. He was snapping your whole fucking leg. He was never the same. Yes, he was. He was better after. He was better after, but you don't know what he could have been in general without that impacting his whole level of growth

and missing an entire year of basketball. you're right but he came back better and got past that Team Mac didn't get past the injury it ended his prime back in 2020 like when Kauai exploded

his knee exploded and they were damn near able to make it to the NBA finals like that's like a whole hypothetical within itself too if Paul George wins a championship completely but you see the difference though nobody's in nobody's gonna do

a video in 10 years they say the greatest what is in NBA history and they're going to say what if Paul George didn't get hurt because he got plenty of prime plenty of development Timak will always have that hanging over him I think so

part Personally, I would, I think that like overall his entire ethos does fit into favorite players, favorite player. However, there is one big thing that probably puts them into Mr. Hypothetical, which is there's the, there's the story about Tim Duncan wanting to sign with the magic and the magic and Doc Rivers being like, not like your family can't ride on the team plane. So then Tim Duncan doesn't go play with T-Mack. And so I think like big.

Like, that's one of those where, when we're doing, what are the greatest, what if's in NBA history. That's, like, easily top five. Yeah, if that's on the short list, that's on top 10, top 15, then, okay, he can be Mr. Hypothetical. Yeah, and that doesn't really, like, not even just that specific moment, but that type of thing kind of tells the story of his whole career.

He never had an opportunity to be one of the best teams in the NBA. Like, he didn't really blow opportunities where he should have won the chip. Like, he obviously underperformed himself. I mean, but they, they blew like a 3-1 lead. No, no, no, again, I'm not saying he performed well every time. in the first round. Yeah, I'm not saying

he was never on his version of Shaq and Kobe in the Lakers. He never had his version of playing with another great player where they're the favorites. Like, it was all completely undermined by injuries, completely undermined by swinging door moments like that.

And again, I completely understand if he goes on putting him in Mr. Favorite player? Yeah. Loki, some people would probably say he's in the, in the life or the goat. Some people would probably argue that.

I mean, that goes hand in hand with the hypothetical thing too. Yeah, there's the same tier, just like different calibers. All right, we'll go, We'll go hypothetical. Check. Is that in another life for the goat?

If he like, okay, so people always say, if he took his body seriously, you could have been unstoppable. He had more longevity than people think. Like, he was a 12th time all-star.

He was good for a long time. So I feel like that might be a little bit overstated. He was good for a long time. The other day I found out that he put up his last 40-point game in 2009 with the Suns. I was like, damn, Brian. I was watching that game.

People overstate the fact. People treated like he had a six-year brime, I think. Yeah. Just because it's like an easy assumption in that because he got super fat that surely if he didn't get fat he'd be so great he was winning chips as a fatty like it worked

until it didn't until it didn't yeah but I would I will say like we could put him in another life you're the goat because if he didn't if he didn't operate the way that he operated or even if he did but he was able to make a couple concessions to where him and

Kobe were good even though that he got the fourth ring in 06 had he gotten that two years earlier and they four peted right in the in a somewhat like modern NBA that is a case that for shack who already has this most unstoppable most dominant player in NBA history once you have that and then four rings on top of that and it's like that is one of the greatest pieces it's so undeniable something that Jordan doesn't even do and literally we have to then start comparing you to bill Russell I think

he's that level wow okay yeah even though they do understate the longevity I guess To argue against what I just said, people probably could say that if he had just been a harder worker, he would have accomplished more in those primaries, especially like early on before Kobe got there. Maybe you could say he would have been contending for championships earlier, I guess. Maybe, but... Maybe, I don't know. Whatever you want to... There is some element of who wasn't a hard worker, clearly.

And even though he did still accomplish, who knows what could have been accomplished even more. So I think that's fair. Okay. Jerry West. One of the good ones. The goodest one, I'd say. The goodest one. He's the goodest one.

The goodest one But also I see now He wouldn't be the goat In their life All right What are the good ones He's the goodest one

Only Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait Wait No he's blocked by the goat You're right He's blocked by the goat Who's the block by again Jerry West

He lost in the finals every year Oh yeah he was like One and nine in the finals or something Losing to Bill Russell every year He's blocked by the goat He could have been one of the goats He is the poster boy of that You're right

There's no one bodies I'm glad you saw that omission Because we almost messed it up Oscar Robertson respecting your elders. He's the definition of that. He's the definition of that. He's like, I don't mean this as an insult

because Oscar Robinson is obviously an iconic player that's like one of the greatest of all time, one of the best productive players of generation. He's like, for every young NBA fan, Baby's first NBA legend. The first like old player that people were like, people don't remember Oscar Robinson. He was Russell Westbrook before Russell Westbrook,

Mr. Triple Double, one of the more underrated point guards of all time. That's always like the entry level to like pre-70s basketball. Yeah. Okay. ultimate respect in the elders there you go Walt Chamberlain

is I feel like legend at this point he's the ultimate legend yeah yeah like just the the story that

that you hear about about the most athletic the greatest athlete of all time they ever grace the NBA like all these things scored 100 points

could bench press 6,000 pounds could run a 4.1 440 could beat the shit out of Muhammad Ali if you wanted to he just sounds like a dinosaur

in today's time yeah like nothing about him makes sense I can't like even can like can the concept of you seeing you as a human being seen that footage don't make no sense right all the stats all the stories all the oral moments yeah he's a legend okay or moments in black and white film that's the stories stop it Steve Nash one of the good ones

yes go ahead one of the good ones uh Anthony Davis people forget you think people kind of forgot like mid prime I think yeah I think people will people will forget just because there's so much there's there's so much in like AD's career with the injuries and then even like we were having a conversation about AD in the placement in the in the big man rankings and low key I was kind of forgetting about like 2016 2017 and about how the conversations were whereas like we were actually talking about like hey AD is one of the six best basketball players in the world you were one of the five best 20 people were saying is number three in the world that was like a real conversation yeah so I I forgot it

I forgot it then. I feel like afterwards, you're probably going to forget. And then now that he's in this, like last part of his career, he's, he's going to play in, like,

hopefully he's, like, healthy and whatever. He's on a rebuilding Mavericks. Rebuilding Mavericks team that people are trying to like fake push to be title contenders. You're going to forget about

this second half of his career because he is the other part of the Luca trade and it's going to be about what Luca does in, in L.A. Yeah. So I'll say people forget.

Yeah, I definitely, I definitely see that. I remember back in 2016, 17, 18, hell even 19. And even like his first year with the Lakers, he was an entirely different player compared to what he looked like when they won the ring in 2020 and they're on fourth. Of course, he gained a lot of way. He transitioned into the center position.

But before that, he was genuinely like one of the three, at his peak, one of the three most talented players and three is maybe a drag. Five most talented players at that position ever for those curation of years. He was so twitchy, so athletic. His shot wasn't the best, but it was way more there than it is right now. And what he was able to do defensively, too, along with, like, playmaking skills that he had as well. Top tier. Yeah.

In some ways, I think he's Mr. Hypothetical. But I think we can go to people forget. I think the fact he got the ring and had the run in the bubble to get the ring. Yeah. That's what I think. He's like, I guess he's cemented. Derek Rose is on here. King, Mr. Hypothetical.

Oh, he is the face of that. Yeah, he's the Mr. Hypothetical. can get hurt. What could have happened? We'll never know. Dirk. You're one of the good ones. Is he a legend? Sure, but he's also one of the good ones. Steve Nash is a legend too, I guess. But they're one of the good ones. Yeah. Magic Johnson. In another, it's either legend or goat in another life. Because of... Well, so if he never had to leave the NBA...

I mean, because that was at the end... Yeah, I don't think he would have hit goat status. I think he kind of reaped what the fruit... Where to bear. I think he's probably legend. yeah because they because he left I forget whatever he left in 91 um just legend I guess at this point I guess so yeah he's Magic Johnson

one of the greats it does feel weird to not put him in Bird in the same thing what is the clear cut difference to him and Bird of why Bird had more potential the back injury stuff because that occurred at a younger age than Magic's health issues wasn't it yeah I'll fact check that

let's make sure we're not putting our phone on I'm not 100% sure. Well, okay, so it was kind of like, I think it was kind of around the same time because I know like once because that, because like the dream team and all of them going there

it was also a big deal because it's like, oh, Larry's, you know, we're playing in 92. His back has been cooked for. Oh, and I forgot. We have the pre-segregation in another life thing for Larry Bird.

Yeah. Almost forgot the most important part of his case. My bad. Russell Westbrook. That screams to me your favorite player's favorite player. Hmm. Like, he's like the hard worker, brute force.

get it done type of guy that will be admired for a long time. Yeah. He is that. There's no room for him in another life a year ago. I don't think he is in any category at all. Yeah, honestly, I feel got that's the only category for him. This may be the highest he can go. I'm trying to think about my head.

Is there any, like, case for him to be a legend, but not really. Depending on how you feel about, about Russell Westbrook, he's either your favorite player's favorite player or here damn. You're damn. Yeah, exactly. It's such a wide range. That is him. He's polarizing.

He is the polarizing port guard of this decade. And I think the masses will probably lean towards your favorite player's favorite player. Yeah. Okay, so Bird also, just to go back to it,

so Bird was playing every, like, year after year, and then when he was 32, in 88, 89, played six games, and then he played another year of 75 and then 16, 45. So he had like one more year

after the back injury, and then it was two just like, you know, how old was he that point? He was 30, let me see. It was 32 when the back injury happened. Yeah, see, that's another three, four years of prime cooked.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Okay. Chris Paul, I feel like people already forget. But maybe that's because he's still in his career. And when he retires, people will remember the early sophomore. No, they're going to, you don't have the MVP. You don't have a championship at all.

Yeah, you don't have a championship. He's the people forget player. He's probably going to be the most underrated star of all time. Yeah. And you only have that one finals run. And you're not even the guy. Yeah. You're not the best player on that team.

And you get demolished by, like, Yon's 50-point game and so many other, like, iconic plays, for sure. Elgin Baylor, respecting our elders. Absolutely. Another one of those players that young fans learned about. And you're like, dude, he was nice. That's my player. I'm going to pull in conversations to me. You know, I understand history.

One of the more underrated players of all time, goaded small forward. Good job. Respecting our elders. Kyrie Irving. Favorite players, favorite player. He might be the face of that. There's no tier built for a specific player more than Kyrie. Okay.

So, yes, you're right. He'll, we will go there. there is an argument for Mr. Hypothetical because people are constantly saying you know like just talking skill just getting a bucket these hypotheticals to say that he's better than other players pretty much every way he's talked about

isn't hypotheticals and like people get the whole like if he had his own team kind of died but that was like the OG hypothetical but you know why all these things have like died because they're people's favorite players and we choose to forget all of that yeah so like

yeah like like you're right the amount I always say the amount of dimensions that people would have to go through through this hypothetical they can go with 80 different scenarios bro, it's fucking crazy and the only reason why they have that power

to do so is because of what you said the heart that they got for them. I'm moving this one because it makes it seem like that's a great category. No one low. She went above there. There we go. Thank you. Tim Duncan.

Damn. Just legend. He's just Tim Duncan. Just successful. Just manned one of the, the most unique. dynasty if we're calling the Spursa dynasty, which I think we are, in terms of like it wasn't consecutive. It was just a long time of winning. That's a period of winning and

sustained excellence. We may never see you accomplished again. There's not really anything like it in terms of teams that don't have this short span in which they rat a lot of championships. It's just consistency over literally 20 years. Do you think he could be in like people, it's 20 years. It's not, it's not. I don't think Tim can be in a people forget. Yeah. My thing for Tim is, he's so tall, mine, he can't be. And let me, me let me know if I'm doing a lot here if he played with somebody because I don't think he had the overwhelming luxury like most of the other guys to play with another like top 10 top 15 you know what I'm saying and so like it feels weird saying like if Tim had more more help

around him or more talent because obviously that whole system but if you put like Kobe with Tim Duncan then are we looking at at Tim in a different lighter if you put him with like you know are you arguing to say does he have opportunity to be in another life or the goat yes no He's not good enough. Nah, he doesn't have a skill ceiling to be in that conversation, I don't think. Yeah, I don't think so. Even if that was the case, too, like, I think when it comes, he doesn't, he didn't need, like, to have an operational on player because he's had, like, 20 years of consistency and, like, competency, which is super rare when he comes to talking about these players. And that's, like, something that no one talks about in all-time conversations and how you view them.

Yeah, I think for different reasons. He got all the value at his career he could have, I think. Yeah. Dennis Rodman. Where Ben Wallace at Your favorite player's favorite player Is he that though? No, fuck no

I'm sorry Reorganize it New Tier What's new tier? What are we doing? Dennis He's such a singular Guy

Yeah, I don't know If you can put Dennis Dropman with anybody else Dennis Dennis Sometimes in the league You got a Dennis out there Yeah

Okay And everyone needs to understand That Dennis is Dennis Oh, no, I can't see the... Let's go up here. Ads. No. Go this for quick so I can reorganize this.

Ew. Okay. Dennis makes sense. Yeah, Dennis is just Dennis. Do you think there's going to be another player who fits into the Dennis category? I hope so. Who's like Dennis in today's NBA? Dremont, but like, that's it.

Nah, at that point, we got to rename the category into you. No, I mean, I mean, Draymond is just, he's Dennis Robbing in 2.0 in terms of, like, archetype. Yeah. Of, like, personality archetype of, you got this, like, like, like wild boy that's that's also you know helping get this dynasty if he put that shit on more then I would be like oh yeah he's tennis he doesn't like at all dude this ad is pissing me off it's not going nowhere it's stagnant right I figure this out you're good okay there we go yeah I figured out oh now I'm revealing the players we're going to show feature oh you can see that

that's funny so but yeah okay that should work perfect oh my gosh ugly oh well Draymond, does he go in Dennis as well? Yes. He's just, he's new age Dennis Robbins. He's just Dennis. I don't know. I think we should add. An undersized DPOI that is, that is the defensive anchor for one of the greatest dynasties of all time.

There's also a wild boy. Yes, it's Dennis Robbins. That is. But there's so many like more layers to Dennis than just simply that. Sure, sure. But that's the, that's the summary of it all. They're unique human beings. They're not twins, but.

unique for a whole lot of different reasons correct which you don't got to get into today Rudy Gobert same genus different species okay Rudy Gobert does he get here damn? Oh yeah for sure people easily one of the more talented defensive player those are players that we ever seen nobody's ever given

but no one cares though every compliment anybody's ever giving Rudy Gobert is the definition of here down yeah yeah but can you guard Steph Curry can you guard LeBron a ridiculous category to the comparison I want to who can you guard the offensive goat no bum yeah Damien Lillard here damn probably too i remember there's a specific time of the year yeah because i remember like there was a specific part of his career mid 2000 probably 2016 or something like that where he

missed all-star games and a random assortment of fans like just fans will go ahead and like cause a big uproar to the points where i think the very next year he played in every single all-star competition and he was the first player and still the only NBA players to ever do that the done competition the skills, all-star game, three-point contests. So I think he might be here, damn. But he did that, but I feel like he's also another people

forget, though, just because he's in that Chris Paul range where he's one of the best I was thinking that too. You know, like he's one of the best shooters of all time. The problem is he's not quite as good as those guys. But if you want to, if he's a, you know, he hasn't been forgotten yet. I think you're right, he'll probably age into that.

But like Chris Paul, we're already seeing the forgetting this. Anthony Davis, we saw it too, during those Lakers years where he was down, people already forgot. I don't think people forget with Lillard yet, but I can see it morphing to that. If we do this in like 10 years, I think he's going to be in there. Yeah, I agree. But right now, I think people still kind of give him his flowers. It's about to happen.

He busted his Achilles. Yeah, maybe you're calling your shot well, but I don't think we should project that much. All right. But you will be right. Well, I would rather do that than here, damn. Where like, here, damn, Dwight and Rudy Gaubert have been, like, people treat them like they are the most annoying people on the planet. And nobody treats Dame like that.

So I do feel like it's a little bit disrespectful too. Oh, wait a minute. He's blocked by the goat if we're calling Steph Curry one of the goats. Nah, I don't think there was. No one genuinely ever believe he had a chance to won. You're right. He seems good enough. But I do see what you're cooking though when it comes to like.

It feels disrespectful to have them along this side of players. But that moment is courageous to me like solidified. Like it was a first major bump, the biggest bump anybody's ever seen. Is he missed our hypothetical because one of the talking points is like if you put Dame on the Warriors instead of Steph, they'd still win? No, because I feel like you. And he had bad teammates. He never could have won.

because he was on the Blazers. You can do that with Marys Hargless is bad, though. Yeah. What fuck? Disrespectful. Well, if that's the case, the only category is here,

damn. And I don't think we need to make a Dame category. Respect. That's what I'm saying. We should say people forget. Okay. Okay, that's fine. Go ahead.

I'm, I'm over it. You're right. I'm not going to talk down on dame. Yeah, we can't, we can't put him next to Dwight and Gobert. But it's for a different reason. Yeah,

he's as good as these players. Yeah, here doesn't necessarily mean you stink. It's just like the way people talk about you. No, but the visual of seeing him you guys is very jarring. Yeah, I know. And that's the problem.

That's exactly what we're talking about. You see them as lesser. Why is that? Because the NBA sees them as lesser. But who is the, who are the next to make them see them as lesser, right? You didn't feel bad about Bill Walton. You don't see him as lesser.

But we have a specific spot for you. You're honest. Honestly. I'm sorry. Even going back to your damn thing for Dame, too, was just like bray here go ahead and play with yonis right here damn here damn it didn't even worked out then get so ass back to purling he didn't even want that though he didn't want that he was forced into that life yeah for me yeah he didn't ask he wanted he wanted to play with

the star people forget he didn't want to play he specifically but like no no no no no no no he specifically said i want to go Miami he did specifically ask for someone he did he very specifically said i wanted to play with the people but he got in the better in the better position no he didn't didn't work you just said Miami was a better position hell yeah him and Jimmy Butler and band would have been

way better to say now I guess yeah yeah hindsight for sure but yeah it would have fit way better looking back I still think he belongs in here

it just feels like every critical crucial moment or leap in his life is just like whatever but you're making a good argument for sure

yeah he's really not he's basing it off of all start participation and you've never seen that ever it's never it's never going to happen

to hear damn in that man is great Dame is like like as great of a shooter as step is you're going to forget like dame is also oh i can pull up he's a second greatest shooter from from the logo i can also average 30 i can do all of these things oh my god

the house called graphics on the screen it hasn't been the whole episode oh wow crazy did you said that thought there was like a humongous roach on the wall or so shit but no i was about to be frightened yeah i'll say what's going i got to add The other one, y'all, we're going to take a quick second. I'm going to take a... That's funny as hell. No one noticed. We're going to put the right graphic on screen.

It's a horrifying moment. Oh, my God. Okay, we're back. We have the right graphic on screen now. Sorry about that. We went 50 whole minutes with the wrong graphic on screen. Cinema. Wrong show.

We just locked in. Okay. Next name we got on the board. Oh, no, I got to pull this back. Janice? Oh, yeah, we said Janice. Where are we going? I think in another life,

you're the goat. I think if Janice was getting three square meals a day since he was eight instead of 20, he would have been ready to walk into the NBA and wreak hell. He started wreaking hell pretty quick, though.

I don't think he wasted any years of contention. Are those teams had Jabari Parker and shit on him? He wasn't going to win championships in your two. It was Javier Parker. Don Maker was supposed to be a guy.

Eric Bledso was his lead point guard. Good guy. He won as soon as he was ready to. Yeah. Uh, is he, he's a legend, but does he fade anything else better? Um, I think he's just a legend for being one of the greatest athletes in the same way that Wilth is. Yeah, I can't have an argument from literally being the goat because he's just not yet at all. And I don't think he'll have the opportunity to do that.

I think in many ways he's just like, oh, what if Wilt played today? And it was this guy who's just like so much bigger, faster, stronger than everybody can move in ways that nobody else can. Yeah. We're seeing it. Yeah. Scotty Pippin. Scottie Pippin. Is he a here damn?

Kind of. What's our? Whoa, why kind of? I mean, out of all... Because he's on these lists because he has six rings. And like, it's kind of the extent of it. And he's like, he's the best sidekick of all time.

Yeah. Hmm. So, yeah. It's kind of just what it is. He's either here, damn, or if we're nice, respecting our elders. Is he... But he's not that old.

Is there any shades of him being... I think he could be the youngest respecting our elders. Whoa. Is there any argument for him being like your favorite player's favorite player? No. What? Even for his, like, mold? No.

No. Unless you're like Herb Jones And that's your favorite player God I'm sure Herb Jones loves Scottie Piffin You're a favorite player is Herb Jones Grass touch it please

I think he can be The youngest person On respecting our elders Because he's all about Like respecting previous generation And the guy who did all success And was like a very important part Not to belittle him or anything

Like extremely important part Of why they were good Had great years when Jordan was gone But it's just straight Yep you did that Yeah Jason Tatum You're damn

I gotta is So he's not Mr. Hypothetical Which is so early right now It's weird Yeah he's the opposite of Mr. Hypothetical He's not your favorite player's

His favorite player Damn sure not He's not Dennis He's not one of the good ones In another life He's definitely not a girl He has the sentiment That people forget

But it's not about forgetting It's people don't care Are people overlook Is he one of the good ones No he's half of one of the good ones I guess it has to be here damn Yeah because he's just on Like just when they would start

making, well, I guess they were making deep runs before, but like you won the chip and now we're trying to go back to back and starting to build something. Okay, okay, I figured I figured how to phrase it. He has deserved praise and deserve a claim as one of the grades for a long time. Zero people have wanted to give it to him.

People wouldn't have given it to him if he didn't win a championship. And now that he has, the sentiment is entirely, here, damn, you're a Hall of Famer. But he didn't win a finals MVP. And that's why he's here, damn. Maybe he had like won with some gumption, one with some oomph to him, and one with the amazing thing, he would got respect.

Still doesn't get respect, gets here, damn. He has to be shoved into it, okay. Yeah, he has to be, like, it's like taking medicine, giving Jason Tatum prop for most people. Yeah. Where they have to, like, and Jason Tatum. We're going to talk about the fine players in 2020s. David Robinson.

David Robinson. People, kind of people forget. If we're allowing 90s, he'd be respecting our elders. Low-key respecting our elders. I was about to say in another life, he'd be a goat, but then I remember, like, any all-time great he faced, he got mulled. So it can't be that at all

Is he blocked by the goat I mean he wasn't losing to Jordan though So he can't He's not like he was making the finals Losing to him so he can't be blocked by the goat I guess we kind of do have to go Respecter our elders because he is a step above People forget because he has

He has an MVP like Yeah And but like he's not a legend But he's like salute to the guys That were one of those guys back then Okay Gary Payton I think it's also respect to our elders

I don't know I think he might be alongside Paul Doors. Oh, you're right, you're right. You're right. He is your favorite player, his favorite player. He's a capital D dog. Yeah.

Yep, yep. Let's just throw Michael Jordan and LeBron and you're literally goaded. Let's not brave the lead. Yeah. Those guys are, you're literally goaded. Wait, wait.

Are we playing GP and people forget or a favorite player? Oh, I put a number one. Favorite player for sure. I forgot I moved that one down. Okay, Kevin Durantz. Dang, GP dark on this guy. I can do it. He's shot.

He's headshot. Every time I do a TikTok edit and I put him, I got to brighten up his filter because they shot it at night. It's crazy. Kevin Durant. I think Kevin Durant might be in another life for the goat.

I agree. If just the other life is if LeBron James was never born and you dominated the modern NBA and you were, if LeBron James never existed and there wasn't a 6-9 passing demon, Kevin Durant would be the guy

that is a perfect basketball player that does everything. 6-11, handle, shoot, pass, defense, move, block shots. I honestly feel like he's probably the only player right now who we could make like eight duplicates of him and put him in every single category.

Like he got blocked by the go-to as well. No, but like, but you can't even say that because he beat LeBron in two finals. Yeah, because he joined the other goat. He beat LeBron, but that's what the sour talk are.

And that's another part of the other life. He doesn't get goat categories because he made a move that people deem bitch makes. Exactly. Some people will look at him and be like, here, damn.

Yeah, yeah. So yeah, he's definition of another life. If the other life doesn't include LeBron James and doesn't include your own character decisions you made, He would be considered one of the goats. He also could be your favorite player's favorite player because of the play style and everyone's just trying to go ahead and draft the next Kevin Durant.

You know, Bruno Caboclo name was relevant in NBA history for a reason. And that's only because of KD. No other NBA star legend has that type of power. Joel NBee, Mr. Hypothetical. Mr. Hypothetical for sure. Damn, damn, damn. Yeah, sadly. Julius Irving.

Ooh, he's definitely your favorite player. In another life. Could be... Can he be goat? No. No. I don't know why we'd go there. It's, well...

He could be a legend or respecting our elders. Do you feel like... He's like, he's above respecting our elders. I think he's not an insult per se. Yeah. None of this is an insults, except for here, damn. None of these is an insult except for here, damn.

I do think he is on a different level than respecting our elders, though. I mean, he's not a different level than Oscar Robinson as a player necessarily. I think he might be in legend. Okay, that's fine. I'm not going to argue. Right alongside like Alan Iverson for all those reasons. You know who's respecting your elders player? Who?

Isaiah Thomas. Ooh, he's too a fucking team. All the time of respecting your elders player. And like, again, and not in a pejorative way in the way that like you better respect Isaiah Thomas. He was given Jordan Fitz. They were one of the forgotten dynasties. Like you better put some respect on Isaiah Thomas.

That's like every dad. Yeah. It's going to be me. Yeah. George Gervant's on this list. Respecting your elders. Let's rattle through our elders, man. James Worthy respecting our elders

Don Mc Wilkins Respecting our elders No favorite players Favorite players favorite player Really? Yeah Fucking human highlight rule Okay

I guess I'm not super He's one of the There wasn't too many guys Back in his era Who was like That dominant that way In terms of like Being that level of score

That efficient That is him obviously Jump out the window too Towards ACL came back. That's like the only case that everyone had before KD, of course. Oh, Achilles, yeah. Yeah, so, or Achilles, yeah.

Okay. So I think he's fair play, very, very funny. Steph Curry. Is it similar to Kevin Durant that in another life you could be the goat? Or do we feel like no matter what he was always going to have the like downsides to his goat case or like limitations because of, you know, who he is as a player? I think the limitations would fly through any and every era. But that doesn't hold me back enough from just saying like you're literally the goat for what you did. Yeah, but another life, oh, is he literally goaded?

Yeah, literally, go there's because the level of impact that's different with Bill Russell, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's just like maybe a smidge below MJ, LeBron, and Kareem. But because of like how we transform the fucking entire NBA influence a whole new style of basketball, you are literally good. Okay. Basketball would not be the same with you.

So you're saying obviously LeBron, Jordan, Kareem are there because of the three best players every play. Bill Russell's there for factors outside. of necessarily just your peak that do matter but they're not just how good you are and Steph Curry also has similarly important factors I agree I think Steph Curry is one of the five players

in NBA history who the NBA needed without him the NBA would not be the same okay because his peak is obviously still high still a top 15 at least peak of all time still has the accolades to get into like top 10 talks potentially and then it has the impact the influence the changing of the game of it all that can push you into that in the same way that Bill Russell

has the way he defined the era yeah okay he's the worst player literally goaded but fuck he's goaded. Yeah. Pass to me. Who might to say Steph Curry is not goaded? Exactly.

Won't be me today. John Stockton. Here, damn. He's either hear damn or one of the good ones. But he's not one of the good ones. That's the hard part. So it's a here day. Yeah, yeah.

He's, what I guess people have here damned him when like whenever people talk about, oh, one of the greatest point guards of all time, assist leader, and blah, blah. What about John Stockton? And then bring up all those assist numbers, I guess. John Stockton is a funny player because everybody, Because everybody that, okay, I'm going to use a word I don't use you try not trying to use, casual.

People that are actually casual fans. That's a slur. People that are actual casual will tell you you're a casual for not respecting John Stockton. He's the ultimate, like, he's that guy to a casual and accuses you of casualness by not respecting him. That's, that's, so that makes him here, damn. Yeah, and it's like, like, for real, for, congratulations. Like, you, you have all these assists, like, that's to get, great longevity. To get like that.

Married to the longevity. Yeah, to get that. them out. Shout out to you, but also I'm not putting you in my personal top five. So, yeah. The warts of John's, okay, I don't even get into here. Paul Pierce. Here, damn, maybe.

I don't know. He's always so annoying. I'm not putting him on here. It should be, it should be like a hear damn, but he tries to hear damn himself into these conversations. I'm taking you off, boss. I'm snatching you off this list. Okay, we're not right. I don't know, but he also could

be people forget. Because of his hear damnness as well. People always hate on him to the degree. He doesn't let people forget. He said he had a better bag than Michael. He makes people forget, though. Mo's right. You just forgot.

That's the crazy bar. What do you mean? You just forgot. He said, you forgot when he averaged 23.5 points. You forgot. He was genuinely like an issue for his time period. And he was a slight bother. I don't know if an issue was necessarily worthy.

He was a... No, I mean, he was like a conundrum, you know? Not even. Right below that. I will say. He was a gnat in the air. The annoyance is very high, but I always have to bring it up. Listen, you get stabbed up and then you play all 82 games.

They don't do that anymore. Give them a new category, 50 cent. I guess he can see her damn. I guess that's what we're all leading to. I'm not going to say any names because I don't want to put it out into the atmosphere, but let the 13th best player in the NBA. NBA right now get stabbed up. They are not playing 40 games.

So you're saying he's like he'd be 13th best players. Like if Donald Mitchell got stabbed? Yeah, see, I wasn't trying to say. No, why not, why not. Thankfully he didn't get stabbed. So it's not a big deal. He was a obstacle. I don't want nothing to happen.

I don't want nothing to come back on. These guys spoke it into existence. It's like, my bad. Reggie Miller. Is that your favorite players, favorite player? Like the OG playoff riser or the 90s who like built the career off of,

Like, when the lights are brightest, he performs. I don't, I don't think he's your favorite player's favorite player. He's probably, um, he's either blocked by the goat. Mm-hmm. Oh, he's super blocked by the goat. Yeah. He, because he had an opportunity to in like 2000. And even in 2004, he had one.

Yeah, but he was like older than, like that was like, he had opportunities, but like, he wasted the other opportunities. Yeah. They could have for real got one in 2000. Does he have an opportunity to be like Mr. Hypothetical? No. No, I think Reggie's also another guy that's like, that got everything out of his career, especially with the longevity. The only hypothetical would be, like, if you put them in today's era, but for basically 80% of this list. People say that about everybody, everybody would have better numbers in today's era.

The numbers are better. Like, that could be set for every player ever, no matter how you play. Whose number will be worse? Whose numbers would be worse? I don't know. Like, damning. Jason kid? non-shooting point guard is like the only category that would be worse today.

Yeah. No, I think mid-bigman would probably be... Like a Jermaine-O-Neil type of guy? Okay, so a mid-range specialist and a non-shooting point guard are pretty hard to play with today. Bam. So, like, on this list, at least, Jason Kidd would be worse today. Kevin Garnett, he would change, though. He would be more of a slasher.

He used to take dumb-ass long, too. He would shoot threes, for sure. He would look for the line to put his foot on. I'm not shooting threes. He would be able to hate the restnessness. he wasn't mid-post-centric. Yeah. I mean, I guess Tim Duncan,

but he's so good that he figured it out. Okay. Maybe some duck would be slightly worse, but now, I mean, Mellow, obviously. Oh, Ben Wallace, I guess. Yeah, Ben Wallace. He's a specialist, but yeah, okay. Oh, yeah, he's.

Dennis Rodman. Yeah, there you go. Dwight. No, that would be good. You are not throwing the ball into Dwight. You're not doing that. They never should have done that, though. But I don't know.

He's like the. He can roll. Yeah, he didn't move a role man today. So it'd be a little different. Yeah. He'd still have value. I don't know. That'd be weird.

Okay. Shade, go to us Alexander. I think NBA fans want to be like, he belongs in here. Damn. Why don't he won that MVP? Friended one that championship. But he's above that. He's not your favorite player's favorite player.

People hate him. No. Right now, a majority of people would say here, damn, because they don't like him. Yeah. He's not blocked by the goat. People, we can't forget. It just happened. Did he just cement himself?

an NBA history as a legend, I think so, but a lot of people are not going to like that. It's a little too early for that. He's definitely, like, cement himself on legend path, I'd say. That he's, he's beginning a legendary run. That if it continues, as we expected to without injuries, he will go down as a legend. He's much better, but also, he's in that same tier with Tatum. And like, just because everybody hates him. So, like, everybody would be like, I hear Dan, like, you got the ring, you got everything.

We don't really like how you play, but. 2K cover athlete. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We'll talk for the people right now And see you're down For us, legend status

We are Shaggildas Alexander respecters But if the people don't respect Jason Tatum We respect him too It's a hard like I agree Like similar to the analogy that you use When it comes to it's a hard pill to swallow For and not us For NBA fans in general

It's a hard pill to swallow That he is one of the greatest He said let me keep reiterating We're not fucking stupid That's not like that I'm sorry to be a horons Sorry to singly on I'm sorry bro But it's the truth

People get so mad at us because we constantly say that fans who don't like Shay are stupid and we constantly like belittle the opinion and they're like it's perfectly acceptable

to not like flopping and I'm just like I don't care I'm not gonna stop playing it I respect most viewpoints not Shay slander it's super silly I will call people stupid

I will do that I try to avoid it and try to get better at that but that is just legitimately stupid the reason for him sometimes you need to like why do you not need to

why do you not need to let it is I respect the like not liking the aesthetic of it and him not being your favorite player but when people take that to be like

people really extrapolate that really easily to like overrated and like argue against his skill compared to other players because they don't respect the aesthetic of it that's something like you're getting stupid. You're letting your emotions guide you a little too much but I respect the emotional element of it. Luca Donchich.

I mean he's a legend honestly. Why is that? Shays not. It's hard to place him because there's no here damn yet because what have we given him. You are I a white boy. Oh I forgot he's one of the good ones. Duh. you white boy

yeah yeah if we had space I would have been like yeah he's there's his own own tree you are I white no he's one of the good ones right there Rick Barry one of the good ones right there

no nobody likes Rick Barry oh he's not one of the good ones so he's here damn is he respected yeah is he respected Rick Barry I forgot people don't like him

yeah he's right next to John Stockton yeah not one of the good ones explicitly put them at the end flash I keep right clicking there you go Right here.

Oh, my God. I keep right clicking. And there's it. Ray Allen. Can't even say Mr. hypothetical because. In another life, I think he,

I don't think he would be the goal, but in another life, he would be different. Not the goat. People, people, but he had, he had moments.

Like, if Steph was never born, Ray Allen would still. Like, like, like, Steph would still be the goat. I mean,

I mean, Ray would still be the goat. Steff was. I don't even believe that actually. I don't think he would be a better shooter than Dame. Well, I mean, Dame kind of adds that to his game because of stuff. Yeah. We're holding with a bag of worms.

Do you feel like there's any chance of him being your favorite player's favorite player? It's pretty cool. He used to be. He's in movies. He got washed though. You're right. He wasn't. Well, yeah, he got old at some point, but you know, everybody does.

No, watch in terms of like the competition that came in. Oh. Have you seen it? Of course I've seen it. Oh, God. I've never seen it. he was bad at it like actively yes he's a he's a terrible actor

Hall of Fame he's come from that movie though even for like an athlete being in a movie he's not a That's what I meant for that standard Yeah okay No that is that is a Dinsow Carey movie And Spike Lee being wild He could be in people forget

Oh I forgot it's a Spike Lee movie Yeah of course you seen it Where we're going Where does he belong He could be in people forget potentially Do they do forget about those early Milwaukee years And how much more of a dynamic

player he was and whatever we think about him now. I think people I think people I feel kind of feel the opposite. I feel people say that and like I without any critical thinking of what those years actually look like like I don't think a lot of people that I reference like he used to be a driver you know have really like looked into like the minutia of how good he was at that time because I because I think that people forget about it until they see two minutes of him Duncan yeah on Twitter and then like oh yeah he actually was like that but then whenever you think about Ray Allen, you just think about sharpshooter, I'm running off the screens, I'm

doing... You think about him even Miami sometimes before that, too. People forget? Yeah. Okay. Nicole Yokic. Legend. Literally goaded. Maybe too, maybe too early for that. I'm just, I'm just saying,

first of all, you two have been telling me for the last six to nine months. This is the greatest offensive player I've ever seen. This is that. I'm not going to argue with you. And so if he's going to have, if you guys are going to have that, that title for him. I guess that you can already give him the best passing big man of all time. He's been literally good to DeMis since 2020.

It's different. I want to get. Is he just legend though? I think he's like to be just legend for now. In another life he sees the goat. No, I mean, we're seeing the life right now where he's fucking the best player in the world. He could be the goat already, but I don't know. Maybe in another life where he actually got a good teammate and actually got another star.

He actually got another all star for the first time. Like just a baseline level of all star. He can't even have Donovan Mitchell on his team He can't even get that like Entry level All-Star that is like one of the guys of generation It's a lot of deep Mitch hypotheticals to I know Damn that's why he's on top of mind

But like he doesn't even got Deer Fox He can't even get like a guy's made a couple all-star teams Yeah That's crazy It is So there's some hypotheticals to be had Maybe we'll get there when he's retired But for now

Yeah legend Patrick Ewing Respecting our elders Super respecting our elders Not gonna lie It's like one of the Uniteds All-Stars That like you know is an all-stars so yeah he did things he's like

not a bum yeah but one of the guys that should be the tier one of the guys one of the old guys but now some of those guys are better than one of the guys James Hardin is that okay

so there's two questions here two options he is either the quintessential Mr. hypothetical or the quintessential blocked by the goat I think he might be blocked by the goat he just got

Molly Wopped by Steph Curry every time that's really the story of James Hardin he couldn't get past the warriors so really he got like blocked by the goats in terms of the 2017 through 2019 Warriors. If those teams didn't exist, his career would be entirely different, but he ran into the ultimate bus saw that nobody's ever seen outside of the 1996

Bulls. Yeah, I think it, we can't go miss hypothetical because we've seen him be in the opportunities to overcome them and we know the outcome of that. Yeah, it's hard to play hypotheticals because like he wasn't okay. See, he had to be traded. There's no hypothetical way around that. The Dwight's did happen you could like well actually he didn't have to be traded like that's a hypothetical for sure but if he did i think that if he didn't get tried i think that would hinder his career yeah maybe because they're always gonna look at him as like you're the third guy for whatever weird like

well i mean if they they would have got unless he just lapsed russ like i don't know they they if they kept hard in and that was the decision then like russ probably would have been the one yeah what if he stayed and he developed and i had the same trajectory hypothetical i guess fuck it no no no no no we can't do that we can't do that no he just sold me i think he's quintessential block by the goat no on that specific hypothetical but then what happens in 2012 13 14 15 black by the goat is what I'm saying that is true yeah that was just a random tangent to say that is hypothetical but yeah it's not like the point to make him in that category 18 19 all right buddy I'm good 20 or is it 21 21 no one got hypothetical what if

his hamstring involved in 2021 then he would end of the chip and then he would have been the face of maybe the new super team that's defining NBA history so there's some hypotheticals to we had, but there is for everybody. And the day, he's blocked by the goat. And that is our tier list. Is there anything we want to tweak? Dennis is cool. I like Draymond and Dennis Strachman there.

No, I think we did a good job. Yeah, this is a super interesting way to do with tears. Can't name no one else doing it like us, man. There's another life here the goat. My only thing I'm looking at that, I don't know if Labor deserves to be in that the more I'm thinking about it. He might just be legend. But again,

What about integration? Inigration, you are right. Dude, so important to human history. Why don't I keep forgetting integration? Like, that's the basis of the entire argument. Why don't I keep forgetting the downside of integration when it comes to Larry Bird's career? So I'm saying.

And there we go. That is our case. Step aside, Michael Jordan. It's a new goat. I love it. Okay. And what that being said, that is the end of the first half of the episode. Mo, it's time for you to grab that crayon.

For time for you to put in this guy. It's TikTok time. What was it again? Do it again? You don't remember this dance? I'd like to see it some more. You don't remember this? That video of those goth kids?

Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. Tick, Tick, Tick, Tricon, you do you do your dance. But that being said, it's time for TikTok time. Let's go. Keep going. Go Patrick. Go Patrick.

Go Patrick. Now it's not for TikTok time. Atlanta was not ready for you. Reverse. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we're going to begin with some more NBA 2K26 content. You know, the game just came out. What that means is I have about four weeks in a row.

I can slut out content around the 2K ratings, getting some good titles in there. And today, we are once again going to do that. I'm going to show you two NBA players. And I want you to tell me who you think has. a higher rating in 2K26. Let's roll. So one player versus one player, who's better in the new game? First off, Palo Bancaro versus Jalen Williams.

See, normally I would love to side with Palo and say that the aesthetic, the bag getting, all of that is better. Jadab just won a chip. He just dropped 40 points in the NBA finals. With a broken wrist. I'm going with Jadab. Jad up should be it. This is the ultimate that boy nice first nerd watcher debate.

It's been dominating Twitter all year. and they have the same exact rating, 90 overall. That's fair. You know what, that's a win for the nerds. Actually, no, there's a win for that boy nights because I don't, is Powell better than him right now? I don't know. I think I might lean towards J-dub

because obviously he's proven it and he's fulfilled his potential as the second guy. For Pallo, there's a couple more steps for him to reach. Some people will say anybody who's the first option on team automatically makes him better and you can't compare a second option. You know, I'd rather have the premier second option

than the first option who isn't good enough to win anything as the first option. So when Pella develops, he should get better than J-dub. Like, surely, like, he has a skill set to eventually be a on-ball player. He should have a higher ceiling, but he's not at the point of his development curve yet, that he's quite ready for that. And he doesn't, I don't think he'd be a better second option than J-dub. Yeah, if he was on that Thunder team, they would be so much worse.

Yeah, that's a good word of phrase. He'd be worse next to Shay than J-dub is. Which isn't an indictment because not everything is based on can you play with Shaked with Alexander, but I think for most stars, that'd be the case. Okay. Neither one of them are ready to lead a team to a championship, and Jadab's more equipped to be a supplementary star. That's fair.

Jury's still out. Cooper flag versus Paul George. Paul George got to be better still. No, he's got to be better. He's dropping. He's dropping hard, but no, rookies, hasn't played a single game. He's a rookie, but 2K does like to do this thing

where they boost up, like, the number one highly tired of dude always. And if you're ever going to boost up a highly tired rookie, it's going to be the great white hope. Exactly. There's some factors at play. Yeah. Cooper flag is, for the fifth straight year, a generational prospect. So I'm going with Cooper Flag.

No, I think I'm going with Paul George. Cooper Flag is one overall higher. Paul George is an 81. I'm telling you. Don't you ever doubt the Great Wild Hope to my face again. Don't doubt the main event. Don't let me hear you talking down on him ever again. You know, the other day on TikTok I saw randomly.

I don't know why I popped up, but I saw Ronnie 2K like doing a duet on us. Randomly, I saw Ronnie 2K. I don't have no 2K on my feed, but Ronnie just popped up there. I'm like, what the hell? And he was reacting to her. it takes really yeah about about this with some rating game really i swear to god i didn't do that i didn't do that i'll show yeah i'll send it to it's weird he calls morons no he was he was he was just like oh dude did you know he's know what to do he's just emote yeah exactly it was like

content exactly bray just getting it out that's funny that sounds hilarious devon booker versus trey young damn okay so for for the PR is in a toilet for both of them. I don't know. For the longest, like, Trey Young has been underrated, but then I feel like

it's starting to creep a little bit back up, but I still would go. I think I would still go with Devin Booker, though. I think Devin might be Booker. Call it in. Yeah. Devin might be Booker.

That's it. You're probably right, and Devin Booker is one overall higher. He is indeed. Yeah, it makes sense. We're on the street in Booker. There you go. That makes sense.

Yeah. The math is math. Deep Book has one. year where and even this year like now that now that kd's gone now that that bill's gone if booker comes in and he just puts up mad buckets on this team even if they don't win you're still going to look at him yeah be like free him and even that too like thinking about things from an attribute standpoint try young's three point shot genuinely should have regress his defense as his defense and then on top of that too like devon booker although he his three point shot did get a little

bit worse, it wasn't to the point to where it was like 31% or 32% like Tray Young, the passing, the number, that's his numbers, always going to be there. The defense isn't terrible. So I can see a wording where he's 91 and Trayong's 90. Yeah. Makes sense. Okay. I found the video of Roder 2K.

He stitched us. That was in April. Yeah. He just had chest. Exactly. He didn't do anything. He's reacting. Hey, we sat out Ron 2K.

We're posting our video. That was a good reaction content. Kyrie Irving, risked cutting him. See now Kyrie's coming off the injury Yeah Cade is coming off of a playoff run Even though that he didn't play good People were like he played good

Yeah I'm going Kade Ooh this is this is hard but Cade's a better defender Cade's up right now I'll go Kate Better He averaged like nine assists the game

By 2 He attributes might lean towards Kate Cade is better by 2 Yeah there we go This is surprising Because you know 2K loves Kyrie Irving Famously

Every year they love Kyrie Irving, but, you know, they love the youngest sending point guard even more. Exactly. You tore your ACL. I like, if we had a playoff run with, with Kyrie, where the last six months we have something in the back of our head, then that's, that's

fine. But the last thing we saw from Kyrie was the injury, so it's like, ah. Yeah, there's no ability for reason to see bias. He got it. Okay. Anyway, it's fair. Kate probably is better at this point. Kawhi Leonard versus Jalen Brunson. Should be Brunson. It should be. Are we sure? You know, 2K ratings is just about your abilities. Like, it's not

durability is not part of it. It's just like how many boxes do you check? And Kauai is still Goodwin's on the court. Yeah, no, I understand it. It still should be Brunson, but I can see, you know, if they try to... Give me one reason it should be Brunson without the word in New York. Because he's clutch. Because he's clutch. Okay. Get out of here.

Clutch player of the year, actually. Faxies, unanimously decided to be the clutches. It should be running. What else do you mean? Let's go, Jalen Brunson. It should be Brunson. And it is Jalen Brunson by one point. 92 overall to 92 I'll take it I'll take it It's nice for Kauai

Okay He should take that easy solid respect factor still Yeah Quick look off break Next up We got Shade Goldos Alexander Versus 2007 LeBron from the classic team Oh 2007 LeBron

Now he did He did drag the calves to the playoffs that year The finals my bad Finals that year We're not Even as athletic as 07 Braun was He was as complete of a basketball player as he would have been in like 20 in like oh nine even oh nine yeah yeah like oh nine

2011 all those stuff i'm going shit oh yeah it should be she's also like at a at like the top of the he's on the cover he should be the best playing the game i don't think they were making o seven lebron best player in the game yeah misspoke it definitely should be shea he's more complete like you said and on top of the two they just boost everybody's rating he's a 98 lebron would have to be a 99 well to be fair so this is 2007 lebron in this game it's not from an old game it's in like this game they're classic teams So it's the same type of rating system. Still.

I'm going to Shea's. Okay. They did not pay respect to the classic teams. Shea is higher by two. That is bullshit. LeBron was only in 96-07. Would you make sense? It makes sense.

Like his jumper wasn't the same. Again, crazy athletic, but he wasn't as refined, as skilled as he was two years later, three years later, all that stuff. It sounds like you hate the king. No more allegations. No more allocation. Next up, we got Nicole Yokic first 2016, Steph Curry from the classic team. Oh, 2016 Steph Curry. Peak of his power stuff?

Yeah. Like when he literally broke the game. Unanimous MVP stuff. People had riots about how O.P. stuff was back then. He did. I'm going... I'm going 2016 Steph. I'm going same...

Okay, I'm going same rating here. I mean, Yok is still the best player in the world. So it's pretty hard to be better than the best player in the world. Yeah. 2016 Steph could have done that. The first year is MVP. Yeah, well, too down bad. He's one overall below Yokic.

Wow. I feel like if Steph Curry in 2016 doesn't deserve a 99 overall, what does? No one does. What does? Yeah, that's kind of stinky. What does that mean? It's one of the greatest MVP seasons of all time. One of the most efficient volume scoring seasons of all time.

What are we doing? That should be 99. What are we doing? Especially because this is from a classic team. This isn't 2K26. Like, it's not an old rating where the ratings were lower. This is this metric. You know what? 2K doesn't realize this, but by rating these eras comparing to

not, like, really correcting it to today's era, too. You're actually, like, kind of ruining NBA discourse because a lot of kids get their knowledge from games like this. I did. If I would have seen this as a 12, 13-year-old, I'm like, oh, yeah, like, Steph wasn't, and Nicole Yokes is greater all-time, even at this day and age. Well, to be fair, we're talking about 97 overall. It's not exactly disrespectful.

It's not like, they call them trash. Yeah, why do you hate Steph Curry? Enter that, Ronnie. Stitch this one. Why do you hate to that, huh? Yeah, come back. Come here. I dare you.

Spend the block. Come back right now. We got many more videos we to react to. This year's Luca Donchich versus 2001 Alan Iverson from the classic team. 2001 Alan Iverson, I think.

Yeah, this is a down year for Luca. Versus the MVP season. Exactly. The best year of Alan Iverson. Yeah, I'm going Alan Iverson. Yeah, you kind of have to go to AI. Because like if AI is not

like a 96 or 97 overall, that team is, is unplayable. You can't, you can't play with the 0-1-6ers if you don't have a 97 overall.

I'm going with Owen Arverson. Alan Arsonson 93 and Lucas 95. See, they're ruining NBA discourse. They're ruining NBA history right now. And that's why I don't play with them. The NBA should resent their fucking rights to the Lippie, bro.

What are we doing? Do you guys never react to everybody to you? 93. Come on. Give it to EA sports. Please, no, never mind. Please, no, two cats. I take that back.

Nergo their Matt is one. They can say I'm madden, man. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, Luca is like more complete, like in terms of checking boxes. It's not crazy to someone to think Luca's a better player overall for, you know, the reasons that people doubt Alan Iverson or doubt isn't the word. The reasons that people critique him and his weaknesses, it's not insane that somebody would think Lucas are better all-around player.

Yeah. But for the 01 season, does not be hired 93, specifically at least for that one year? The MVP of the league in, in 01 is 93. It's pretty surprising. It's kind of pointless. Like, if you're going to give him a 93, don't even, like, make this a team. But also, it wasn't an MVP, like,

where he was the best player in the world. Like, Shacken himself existed. Like, nobody was arguing on it ever since the best from the world in 2001. It was, like, you know, a carry job MVP, which is still respectable. But it's not like a default. You've got to be 98 overall

because you're an MVP type of season. No, but if you're going to give that to somebody, 95 minimum? Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's a little surprising. Yeah, I would have thought 95. Okay. LeBron James versus Steph Curry this season. Listen, this is the uncoff.

right now. This is the unction. I'm going to say it. Which I'm still got it. LeBron. Steph. LeBron has... LeBron has lost not just one step, but two steps. I saw Steph loki. He just has some shots to make up for it. But Steph had no steps in the first half.

Steph has lost a step. LeBron has lost two steps. Okay. We're quantifying the amount of steps here. Okay. I'm using that. I'm thinking... Both are walking slower. Attributes. I think LeBron, of course, passes better still. The better defender, better rebounder. The shooting has been better. He's in a different universe than stuff. But I think LeBron, with the technicality as a 2K, would win this.

This stuff. Nope. It's a tie. Both 94. Okay. Everyone's wrong. You live to fight another. I don't know.

I'm mad at that. They said both unks still got it. Honestly, they're just being agnostic. They're just choosing the easy way out. This would cause a lot of debate. Like, I don't even want to say it. Be a man. Pick a damn side.

No, they don't want to do it. They don't want to make the hard decision. I get it. And Kevin Rant is also lower than LeBron. they won't put it they won't do it that is hilarious that is how they won't put the yeah Kevin Durrance in 93 which is a little surprising I don't know why he's lowered than them they have yeah they should all at minimum be in 94 yeah if you're gonna cop out with two of them to cop out of all three yeah Wemby versus Anthony Davis it is Victor Weming

Yama's time you think Anthony Davis is still all NBA you think they've already given to Wembe after half a season of great all play before a black clock damn right I do damn right I do he would have done it every time somebody working in 2K talks about Wemby they're just like our game's ruined how do we even rank them without getting a 99 like they already know you have to do honest work and he's got to be 99 very fast exactly so like the because we did we did something before where the only way that they can attack him is by saying like man you're weak you can't live weights because everything else is like that I'm going with one B the passing isn't like that though in the game they have to nerf that well it's not so i think i might

go towards anthony davis i'm sure the passing is so high for anthony davis winby is one overall higher i told you it's a new dawn it's a new era it's a new era it's a new time in the NBA. I agree. It's Victor Wormey in Yalman-Yalman's time. I didn't think they're going to go that way, but okay. Just remind me that Skip Baylor's video. It's a, no, that was, that was, that was, you reminded me of that Stephen A. Smith video.

Oh, yeah. It's a new era and get over it. Woo! I love that video so much. I have no clue. Probably makes basketball. He was like, very, it sounds like fandom. Okay.

Maybe. It probably was. Yeah. There's that. This is a Michael Irvin clip where they had, as, they, they traded for, uh, he was. for Amari Cooper, and he went on first take, and he was like, the Dallas Cowboys will regain their position

amongst the Kings. Bro, it's just football. What are you talking about? Amongst the Kings. I love Michael Urban. Unless I shouldn't, then I don't. Next up, Chad Hongren for Jimmy Butler. Chad Hongren has no hips.

I'm going with Jimmy Butler. For just going into the season, we can get two weeks in. No hips. It's not you want him to be thicker. What did you talk about it? No, this is a funny one of phrases.

He's not throwing nuts. Yeah, that's no cushion. No figure. No cushion. Like that meme. It was like, guys are ugly in lane

talking about girls online. Not thinking of. I've never seen that. It would be like supermodel. Four out of ten, not thick enough. What? Jimmy Buller for Chet.

I think Chet might have this one. Didn't Jimmy Buller, like, break his hip too? He broke his butt. He broke his ass. Yeah. He's got no ass. Yeah. I'm off that.

I'm off that. What are you going to do right now, Donovan? Either one of you. They're prerequisite. Either way, you're not having any way. If you don't have that it's disrespectful, you've even talked, you've even approached me, right? Hey, pick a player.

I'm going, Chet. It's Chet. He said 210, catch your boy in. I've been saying, San, cunt. Oh, my God. Yeah, Chet is one over all higher. Aging Jimmy Butler. Okay.

Makes sense. Well, I really don't, but okay. Jalen Johnson versus Bobby Portis. Oh, they hate Jalen Johnson.

Yeah, and that's why Bobby Portis is better. Because Bobby Portis can still give you a solid mid-range turnaround. Is he going to hit it six out of ten times

and shoot 60% from the floor? No. Is he going to hit it maybe 35% of the time? Yes. Somebody comments in our video a couple weeks ago

that you like Bobby Porter so much because you look like him? With the view with the view like that? That's, That's pure racism No, it's the beard

It's the beard He's the same beard You look like Bobby Portis I would hate to look like Bobby Portis bro You have no idea how mad I will be If you told me that I will find you Man I'm using the meanest wedgy

fucking ever I give you fucking nugget of death He's a black man Bobby Portis I'm mad for you now Who said that man You're fucking ban for life You're swirley for fucking hell

fucking hell Bobby Portis? Yeah. Bobby, that's racist, right? We, we,

we have let you guys like with too damn much. Shut the fuck Bobby Portis. Come on now. This is your fault. Like,

both of y'all, both of y'all say that any black man would appear to death. I'll give you a dog of your death. I'm saying it enough for you right now, man. I do appreciate that. God damn.

I can't fucking breathe. Who's the 2K overall's higher? God damn it. I'm saying Bobby Portis. They got the same overall, 81. That's bullshit, right?

That's bullshit, too. Jaylon Johnson is a better defender, better rebounder. He's the better passer. He don't shoot better, but he's the better finisher. He does everything better except for a shoot right now. He don't yell. Shout out to you, Bobby. Tell Jaylon Johnson get some tattoos, gets an aura up.

He has a tattoo. Plain, Jay. He just can't see it. Plain ass arms, no accessories, no chains. On the left side of his sets, you see it. Yes. Oh, okay. They're saying he looks like a two-gate generated character.

He does. I can't even argue that. He looks like generic Duke recruit. from 2015. Just a normal broccoli head dude. That honestly, we don't get into what I mean by this,

but that is the quintessential young NBA player these days that he looks exactly like every vodka check. You know exactly what it is. So we know, we know. Look at the three.

The lights are running the league, and the Hawks of the case proven for that, bro. Zachary, I don't care, you are one of them too. They got the template for the parents.

You go out to the factory, you get yourself an NBA player. That's what it is. Zachary's French. He gets off. He's a different category. He's Egyptian, But it's also like, you know, he's still

As well, I didn't know he was Egyptian. That's funny. They do it over there too. Oh. Interesting. Next thing we're going to talk about, we're going to talk about what Janus would be like compared to 2000s NBA stars.

So if we were to put Janus back in the 2000s, how he'd compare it to the grace of that time. So we did this last week with Steph Curry in the 1990s. They were pushing Janus back a little bit less time. So, who's better? Level 1, Janus or Yao Ming? I mean, come on. Listen, Yomim, shout out to you.

Janus is dunking all the week. I think if it's not, it's not in fair. Like, those would be the greatest posters of all time. Yeah, if Yonis was in the league in 2019, Janus, in the league back then, he would have made his life's mission to dunk on Yomeng. It wouldn't even have been like a life's mission. It's like game one, I'm dunked. It's just a regular day.

And it's over. Yeah. I got you. Okay. Level two. Tracey McGrady. Shout out to. Shout out to Team Mac for sure.

You don't send a chance He's dunking on you too. This is becoming a can Yanis dunk on you too? There's just nothing that the TMAC can do. Okay, I mean, maybe there's an argument for, you know, that style of play is more important in 2000s. You need more of a bucket-gator than Yannis, and he'd have less spacing so he wouldn't be the same.

Janus is murdering that man. Okay, fair enough. Next up, level three, Steve Nash. Now we're getting to other MVP's. We are. Still, Janus. I do believe Janus is a better player at his peak. Does the era come into things now?

In that era, he would still wouldn't be able to win an MVP as well and be, in my mind, the best player on a championship team. Yeah, because I think as soon as you have, honestly, whoever has Mike Dan Tony, you are winning MVP. Because both of them would thrive

in that type of situation where you're playing very fast, you have space around you. Steve Nash happened to be that guy and was also, and that just happened. He was also like the catalyst for that, right? So I'm not going to, I'm not going to disrespect him like that.

But in that sense, he would have the better opportunity to show off his skills rather than than Janus. So maybe Steve still does get the MVP's. And so if that's the case, I might take, actually not, what am I saying?

It's Janus. You're psyching yourself out right now. I really am. The two-way stuff for Yonis, like that's, Yeah, I think some people would say that Janus needs spacing And that era has less spacing So he wouldn't be able to be the same slasher

Which I understand Slashers did exist before 2020 I think an athlete of that caliber Would be the best athlete on any court in any era ever So he would still be a dominant slash that you can't stay in front of It would look different It wouldn't be exactly the same But I think that translates no matter where you go

Yeah Level 4 Kevin Garnett Now we get to a direct peer in an all-time ranking And I have This is tough You flip up on this Or at least I do flip up on this like every day.

Very comparable players. They honestly are like number four and five or three and four in all-time power forward rankings. Give. See, I think I have, Yonis, higher than KG, but also like if you didn't put, if you put KG on like a competent NBA team in the 2000s as opposed to the garbage can. that was the Minnesota Tim Wolves. Maybe we get somewhere further than where he got. So I'm trying to think. They're on the same exact team where a same exact circumstances,

same exact position, who do you want to win a final series in one single year? In a final series, man. I think I would feel a little bit more confident with Janus, but I still feel like there's a lot more meat that could be had with KG. Considering, like, the, he's a little more, not a little bit more versatile. Known to be not a meaty guy, though. Never mind. I've got to make a decision here.

I think, I'll go KG. I think I go, who would you go? I don't know. I think I would go KG. I think I'm leaning Yonis. Risk bling. You're the tiebreaker. Fuck.

Both all-time defenders, both versatile, both can pass. I think Janus is a better score. If I'm just going to choose to believe that it translates exactly well to the 2000s, I guess I'll go Yannis. Okay, Yonis, it is. I think the, it's tough. It's a small, small thing because obviously everybody is like different. They can get their game off.

But I think the fact that in that era, like being able to take a 17 footer, like that is something that people kind of went to and have that. So obviously KG has that in his game. But Yonis has added that this past year. It's just a one year thing. But I don't know. I trust in, I trust KG is like all around. My shack was Dunkin everybody.

Yonis with Dunkin and everybody. I'm going Yonis. I think I might go KG. Level 5, got Kobe Bryant. I'm going with Kobe here. Yep. Ends here.

Yeah. We let him squeeze past Kevin Garnett by the thinest margins. We'll pick Kobe. These four and five that we've been doing have been insanely hard. Yeah. Yeah.

This is super close. I picked the closest debate at Kobe for level four. It is Janice. Sorry, Kobe. You're picking Yonis? Oh, whoa. My bad. I said that's done wrong.

It is Kobe. Sorry, Janus. Yeah, yeah. I mean, shout out Yonis. Watch out. Watch him up. If we're going to say any era requires jump shooting and that makes Kobe fit it best,

it is the 2000s. The Deadball era, Kobe would be better suited. And there we go. Janice, you slide past Kevin Garnett, but just barely. Next thing we are going to do,

we are going to talk about the last 10 NBA final series. I'm going to show you one of them, like I said, the last 10, and you guys are going to grade it based on entertainment, based on impact of history,

whatever it means to you, whatever decides the quality of an NBA final series, we're going to grade them all. Let's do it. So, first off, 2016, Cavs v. Warriors. This is S2. Or not S.A plus, plus, this is the best final series

that you've seen in a long time, man. And our time is fans, when it comes to storyline, quality of players on both sides, quality of teams on both sides, quality of coaches on both sides, quality of marketing on every angle, this is the perfect final series from our lifetime. This is like, this is when the two best superheroes

like matchup and you have this was like it was like it was like we've been waiting for this for years

and now we finally get the matchup that that we need this was yeah it was everything and just in terms of like

consequential to the league and its ramifications if the Warriors win this we might not get Kevin around on the warriors and we might have

a very different LeBron James legacy so yeah in history looking back it has aged to being one of the biggest

finals of all time okay the defining one of the modern NBA yeah 2017 Casvers Warriors It was a beat down, but I'm going with B.

Yeah, I'm going with the B just because we were still able to see greatness at its peak. And so to see the 2017 wars, to see Steph, K.D., Clay, Drayma, all of them in their prime. To see the best team ever assembled. Is it really a B though? Yes, because it hasn't. They wiped the floor with them. And it was a rematch. It hadn't gotten old yet.

It was at the point where maybe after this year, it's like, ah, we're seeing this again. But at this point, you add Kevin Durant to it was already a back-to-back finals appearance. It's like this is an insane evolution to the story. And it's the goat who just got cemented the goat in 2016. Going against the single greatest team ever assembled is at least to be. And there was like, there was like a small, small. Because everyone, as soon as you get KD, everyone's like, oh, so like the words are winning the chip. Yeah.

But LeBron and Kyrie was still there on this time. You are correct. And it was a small percentage of like, well, if anybody can get it done, it's going to be LeBron and Kyrie and they can maybe do it. And then we saw game one and we're like, oh, okay, this series is. Yeah, yeah, never mind. I agree. I got tripped up because I think that picture on the left

is LeBron from 2018 specifically. They didn't have that new like No, they had sleeve you're, I can't remember you're right. Yeah, that's from 2018. Okay, so did you think I was like thinking about I was thinking about Jordan Clarkson and them. I'm like, oh wait, no, no, no, Tyroo never wore this jersey too also. So yeah.

Okay. So 2017, I agree. Yeah, we'll go B. Okay, 2017. Caleb was better too. 2018, Casverous Warriors. D. Now.

No, I mean, F, right? Okay, I can't be D. Now, you had the game owner. You did have Game 1 and we did see one of the greatest performances of all time and also received one of the greatest memes too. That's why I can't say it's D or F. You just convinced me even more to say F because game one is the single most angry I've ever been an athlete in my life.

You just brought out the worst memory of why I hate this final so much. I've never been why I rate ever. But think about it. Through that bad memory and through that hardship, you were able to sit down and notice as years went on that you received one of the greatest memes of all time. I wanted to harm J.R. Smith that night. I was 18 years old,

full on brawn fan, full on wearing the crown to sleep. I wanted to harm him. I was not happy that night. You weren't a happy time at all? No, not really. Not maybe. Maybe my pajamas had crowns on him. I don't know. I think this is a C for me. It's also, it was the fourth year in a row. People were real sick of it by now. It was, it was a finals that there was no

hope for an outcome other than how it went. You know, you went in with fully determined how it was going to go. That sounds like the definition of F. Yeah, and especially as soon as game one ends and the Warriors win, you're like, okay, well, there's definitely no chance here. Yeah, right? Like, LeBron scored 50 and they had an opportunity that if they were ever going to get a game and make the series any type of interesting, they had to get that.

Yeah. And the quality of play was dog shit after game one. Like, it was just beat down. Yeah, I can 100% agree with that. If a singular game, like, it has, holds all the weight when it comes to the entertainment. value of this entire series, then I can understand that. You'd go F. Yeah. Not a great series. Overall, like, so

many factors going to play of why this was unenjoyable. 2019, Raptors v. Warriors. This is not as high as I wanted to remember. I don't know. I think the Kauai moment was special. That was a breath of fresh air after seeing four years of Warriors versus Cavs. We needed some kind of new injection of life. You inject

a legacy defining series that propelled Kauai into all-time talks. The moment in which it came was really important. But how would it happened, like made it feel a lot or wait a little less than it actually happened. Then it actually was. Yeah, like having, having KD go down and then having Clay go down. And especially, I mean, the overall, like, or of the series, I think is kind of lower than what was actually on the floor.

Because in game six, like, Clay was hooping in game six. The first two games were really close. Steph had that really fun game in game three where I think, I think Clay was out. too and um yeah i think clay was out and kd was out and it was just step and he scored like 47 they lost but but like he had a great game too i don't know i'll go i go see just because everything felt a little bit underwhelming because of all the injuries i think looking back it felt that way but in the moments people were ready to see the warriors fall so it was about me i was ready for my license and go yeah he was a step man but like the world was like oh that sucks which

didn't happen that way but it's just still cool as fuck there was the fact that canada doesn't have any championships and the whole country banded behind it we had an awesome gigantic parade and Kauai was like being propped up as this new best player in the world candidate as a king yeah like it was fair i think the all it kind of sucks those guys got hurt came in afterwards when we look back at it but in the moment i think it was celebrated immensely so where you want to go b can't be a because those are some of the best of all time but i feel like it's b okay i'm i'm going to see okay next up 2020 lakers verse heat listen i'm going a simply because listen nothing else was on

we had nothing but we had the bubble we did we had Jimmy Butler that run was iconic him refusing to get a haircut crazy ass mustache looking insane getting insane buckets making a crazy run like that added that character to it that we'll be remembered in a bit history I think like Jimmy Buckets in the playoffs is going to be a thing speaking about that character speak about characters

like Tyler Hero is very much a character as well but I'm definitely giving this a I'm giving this a B I don't want to give this an A because the quality of teams necessarily, like, way out in a fair enough to me. But seeing how the legs are able to dominate in such a, it almost felt like a nostalgic way because they were so focused defensively. Had so many bigs with Javelle, Dwight and, of course, AD there too. Point guard, LeBron James. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm torn between B and C. Working against it, it is the bubble. People don't respect it. It was a weird, a weird ambience. We had Russell Westmore screaming at babies. We don't care what they say. Take away the idiots who call it a fake ring.

There was no crowds. The ambiance was weird. It wasn't exciting in the same way. So it doesn't have the same magnitude as even 2019. Just because also they beat the shit out of them. So the play wasn't exciting. But we saw the Lakers win a championship again, which is cool. We saw LeBron in the Lakers championship.

Cool. We saw a Lakers championship post-Cobie death. Cool as fuck. We saw all these other factors that like if it wasn't the bubble, it would be A. It would be amazing. But it was the bubble. it was a little weird and anti-climactic.

So I'm thinking B minus. That's my final. Or C-plus. I'm eating in the middle. I'll say B. Let's go B. Let's go B. Because again, like it was a six-game series.

It wasn't five. Yeah, but it was like a fake-ass six games. Like it was like, the heat got a game and we were like, whatever. Nobody really had a doubt that the lake is annoying. Because they had the first time where Jimmy like went crazy.

And then they had the one where, who was it, Marky Morris? Through the ball out of bounds. Yeah, he threw the ball out of bounds. there were a couple times where it seemed like Miami can maybe steal a game and like maybe make it a little bit more interesting but it was always that it was always like the force of competitive interesting six yeah and it was just like sure and they did so they did but nobody really felt like that a chance of winning okay so

okay I guess I'm really coming down to see it'll be I'm coming down to see 2021 bucks versus sons this is an a it was it was the first time in a minute I feel like Since you've seen the team come down from 02 and be able to win the NBA finals in six games in such like a convincing manner like dominant fashion, I'll give this an A for sure. Yeah, it was the crowning of Janus as an NBA legend forever.

Like I'll never forget that moment of seeing him, block a shot, dunk over someone, hold the trophies. Like that back-to-back three image memory in my brain will always be synonymous with this guy is now in the history books. Yeah, in the moment I probably said, see, looking back, it's a. yeah yeah and because in the moment it was like one i didn't really like this the sun's team like

that and this whole year just felt really really weird and so it's like oh like the bucks got it like that's kind of this kind of weird it's kind of odd but as yonis like ascends and becomes everything that he is then it's like oh that's cool that we could look back and like you said that was the the start of it that was the i loved in the moment because if you guys remember before this people forget now yonis was insanely harshly criticized as not being able to get it done He was getting the same Joel and B narrative of if he can never win in the playoffs. So he completely silenced the doubters.

That was great to me as somebody who was like, are you guys dumb? This is the best player in the world. Why are we acting like he's a bum because he lost in the playoffs when his team wasn't good enough or whatever? So to me it was very like, I don't know what the word is here. I guess like validating to see him actually be as good

as we all know he is. Yeah. Why don't you like the Sun's team? I just like, they were just like, you didn't think they were like a true finals contender or like worthy team or you're looking through like the instances and how they got there. He thought they were soft

Is the real answer Yeah, they just weren't like My favorite team And it was also Their whole path was also Really weird It was injury predicated a little bit But yeah

I don't even care about About that is I mean Injuries happen all the time From the start of the year I just wasn't a massive massive fan of them Yeah

Sounds like Hayden Is what it is I guess so I guess so yeah No remember it's Dave 22 Celtics versus Warriors

A A plus plus Everything I said about Janice solidifying himself in the history of books in 2021 showing he is one of those legends. This was that moment for Steph to an even higher degree because now we're saying this is a top 10 player of all time. The ceiling moment in what was already an amazing career just becomes that much more amazing. This is a solidifying moment for him. I remember like one of the biggest things, one of the biggest critics or critiques that people would have for someone like Steph Curry is that we would always, haters would always be like, oh, he doesn't have any finals MVP or he?

anything like that. And I do remember they tried to give it away to Andrew Wiggins or at least there was like a certain group of people who were like, Andrew Wiggins deserve it. But he finally went ahead and did that easily one of the most meaningful championships too. Because no one really thought that the Warriors are necessarily like favorites in that year. They weren't. They should not have been as good. And yet here they are winning a chip.

And it was funny is between the years of 1955 and 2015, nobody had ever mentioned a finals MVP in discourse. And from the year 22 to now, we once again do not mention finals MVP. because I finally got one. That alone makes his A because I don't got to hear about that anymore. Yeah. Unless it's Jason Tadam discord. Exactly.

There's one other player that everyone decides to make it matter for it. Nobody else matters at all. Nobody's ever mentioned it for any other star. Yeah. And maybe it's most of the other ones

actually do we have one. Yeah. But I can't remember with the top of my head. I'm sure there's somebody else who doesn't have it. But keep it going. 2023, Nuggets versus Heat.

This was D. This is boring. This was, yeah. It was great for me as a yokech, superfan who saw him grow into being this best player in the world and getting the chip. I loved it for my personal fandom. Looking back, I can't remember a single moment from the series.

I like, the heat run, the heat run was very like March Madness like. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, this, this young, you know, or not young, but like this this underdog team is making a run. And then weren't they the first like eighth seed to? They would have been the first to winning. They're the first to make it. Yeah.

But they're making this run. And then you get to the finals and you're like, wait, who are these guys? Like, I don't want to see. them like they are an eight seed don't have a chance I remember eight seed suck and then it was boring and the nuggish dog walked him yeah yeah every every game

was just like they just don't have enough talent and they had they had a quick moment in game five like maybe they could have pushed it to six but it was the same thing like in 2020 where if they pushed it to six there was no doubt of who was going to win that series yeah and there was still some of the

Yokic cementing himself like we said for the last two but he didn't really have the criticism before that there was some elements of you can't win with the bad defender at center but he'd only even like best in the world for a couple years so it really wasn't like to the level of Janus Lander or to the level of step doesn't have finals of your piece Lander

it existed but it hadn't been enough time that it was like that's your resume you are the guy that doesn't win yeah so it doesn't do anything for me and it really it validated a lot because the last time because like in 20 because like he had it with without

Jamal Murray and then they end up like getting swept And then they lost to the Warriors the year prior because Jamal was still coming back. Like he had his two MVP years were without his, you know, his star players. And so people were holding that against them. So it was like, are you, you got in on the ground floor. It kind of got ahead of all the massive, massive hate. Yeah, exactly. So if this, if it took a couple more years, then we would have had the same level of hate as

like Jan has had. But I mean, it did so exist. I don't want to minimize the slander. Like he did get stupid hate. But he got stupid hate in the same way every star gets. until they win, it kind of comes to the territory. It wasn't like dumb narrative level yet. Yeah, I agree.

So, yeah, we'll go D. It was pretty boring overall. 2024, Celtics versus Mavs. I love this finals. I love this so much. Really? Two entirely different teams. Yeah, I felt like Godzilla versus...

A moth? Not even Moth, just like a small bug because they beat the shit out of the Mavs. I didn't feel like Godzilla versus anything of merit. They did, they did feel it. Well, when did the series in? I might be forgetting. in five games.

Wow. It felt like it was closer. I think going into the series, we wanted to be closer because it was exciting to see Luca go on this run. So we were like, yeah,

maybe they do have a chance. But the Celtics were dominant team all year and they were the best teams of all time. And they'd be disheeded like they should. Yeah,

Kyrie was such a fucking disappointment this year as well. It was so bad. And PJ Washington just disappeared. Oh, yeah, I'm triven. PJ Washington had one series

that entire year where, where... That earned was this $90 million contract that he just signed that one. one series from this year.

Yeah. This one going into the finals felt like it could be fun, but it was really us wishcasting it to be fun, wanting it to be a story because Luca was on such an amazing run that it was like,

is this one of those runs? Is it going to be an upset? Is Luca going to show that he is the legend he's been on the path to be for the last five years? Yeah. And we kind of just like

built it up ourselves and convinced ourselves as a chance. It was straight fan fiction. That's what I was just doing. Yeah. As soon as you got to game one, we're like, oh yeah,

the Celtics are an all-time team and they're going to throttle them and they did. So C-minus. Seeing Tatum get a ring was kind of cool, but C-minus. I mean, it wasn't even cool afterwards because then we all just took the summer to make fun of Jason Tatum and like in the celebration tactic. Speak for yourself. That shit was done as fuck.

I was like, okay, I got to give it to him. No, no, no, no, no. The celebration tactics. No, we did it. Yeah. Yeah, all that. So like, it was like, it was very, it's very, you know, anticlimactic to the season. Yeah, especially because they didn't win it.

they tried to lose it in some ways they didn't perform super well at least two stars like they didn't win in dominant fashion so that was kind of like you are this all-time team but the star players are shooting 34% from the field

so like I see that you're winning these games were easily but I'm not going to respect the stars so I'm not going to respect the team it kind of led to a weird discourse mixture and you know what oh and look it was hurt I forgot about that

no but it wasn't even supposed to be down wasn't his knee bleeding too right yeah he was murder it was supposed to be Denver and then they choked in game seven against Minnesota. So like they should have played Dallas

in the conference finals. They should have beat them and then we would have had Yoakich going for back to back against Tatum and the Celtics trying to get their first one with this all-time team. That's the match that we should have got

and it just never happened. Yeah, I remember after this too the PR for Luca was terrible because he was moping around the defense was like He was being attacked yeah. Yeah, it was in the biggest spot like him all types of like you know names.

Brown winner's body teaming Luca? Yeah. All right. So, uh, D. Oh, no, it sounds like it's not exciting. Sounds like it's a D. 2025, Thunderverse Pacers. People were gonna call us an F.

People hated this. This was exciting as fuck. People hated because the way it ended, which I understand it ended in anti-clamatic fashion. People didn't want to see the Thunder win at all. To see them win because of injury, people were sick. They were disgusted.

I thought it was amazing. Game one through game seven, this is one of the most exciting two weeks of basketball I've ever had. this series brought back good finals because we just went through the list we hadn't gotten like a great great one for a while and everything that the league has been doing over the last couple years in terms of like adding the physicality back doing um i forgot i already forgot about that they were playing fucking football the whole playoff run it was as physical of a series that that we've seen and people liked it you had shade trying to you know trying to finish off this amazing season tarry taliburne was trying to finish off the best clutch playoff run that we've ever seen and I yeah I'm going a plus here I can't go a plus because they did end in anticlimatic way which sucks that defines a series how it ends is how you remember it so that that does suck but before that the first six games were perfect playoff basketball

I don't know I might see six out of seven that's that's pretty good to me I'm going to yeah I'm like yeah considering that when's the last time that we saw a game seven in the finals finals 2016 I'm giving this an a plus for sure bro like I hate the way it ended but the constant tip for tap back and forth, the, like, surprising, shocking judgments and all that. Storylines both in the two between Andrew and M. Hardin, fucking Shane, all that. Like, I think this is, this is easily an A plus. Yeah, and obviously I enjoyed watching the Thunder get crowned as a quasi-thunder fan. And I think people already, like, because the paces were so great and, like, stood a chance, clearly.

It makes just forget that for much of the playoffs and much of the year, it seemed like we're going to get a series where nobody's set a chance. It seemed like the Thunder were going to mollywop everybody. So the fact that we got a seven-game series against this team is, like, where, playing with house money. If we did this in a simulation a thousand times, 950 times we're going to get the Thunder dog walking

whoever they play in the East. So it's already just cool as it is that we got a really competitive series. Yeah. This is, it brought playoff basketball back. Yep. If there's any people in this world

that respect the 2025-5 finals. It's us. I know you guys hated it, but I loved it. We don't care. We don't give a fuck. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do another tier list. I know this main topic of this episode had a tier list,

but we're going to do an interesting second one. We are going to put the biggest highlights of Steph Curry's career into a tier list. It's my time to show. Go ahead. Get your glazer up, man. The biggest plays of your goat's career, and it was kind of hard to find, like, career defining highlights for him for some reason. That proved to be a more difficult task than I expected to be.

But we're here. We say that there's so many. A lot of noticing going on. There were so many really good plays, but like, you know, like, you think about like if we know this for lebron we got the block and stuff like that that felt a little bit harder to find plays of that caliber for stuff just because he's not like a career defined by moments type of guy

defined by the best teams and best seasons of all time you know what you know why because he is the moment okay okay first off the 2016 half course shot versus o kc i mean it's estu this shot this is like a it's like a bc and an ad version of NBA basketball

do you have pre-shot and post shot I don't know I'm just going Where were you The night Steph Curry Change regular season

basketball Yeah I remember exactly where I was I was like 15 16 years old I was watching my TV just sitting on the ground And then as soon as he hit that shot

As soon as he took that shot I was like Dumbass What do you do? No one does that And then when he hit it Bro dart to the heart I felt in tears

I was like what is happening right now Like the world is changing I think this is a S He, like, officially stamped himself as, like, an impossible shot creator, taker and make her. Yeah. When they made this because they had, like, they, obviously, they were, you're going for the record and you have like nine losses that you can take the entire year. And so I was like, as somebody who's going for Steph was rooting for the Warriors, I was like, please win this game. Let's go get the record.

Let's go do it. And for a moment there, I thought that, like, that they were going to lose this game. I thought that, like, KD and Russ. I thought that they were like here and that they were. we're going to beat him and step pulled up and he said don't worry about none of that i i got you i i can i can carry everything clear s tier next up we have let's go the olympic shot from 2024 and he hit the game winner over multiple defenders i actually just watched that book like while we were looking for clips i rewatch the whole sequence yeah man it's s tier

is that's i hate to say it is i'm not i'm not even gonna lie i call it because my dad used to be military. After I saw that shot, I called him and I said, how do I enlist? Because I was ready to go to war. I was ready. The Golden Dagger was crazy. I wasn't going to that extent, but the, like, audacity.

I said, take me to the nearest recruiter right now. The audacity for a step to take that shot when he's double team, when you got like a wide open, LeBron James, KD, who's considerably open as well, and you're just like, nah, fuck that. I'm taking a fading three pointer against these two bigger defenders,

and I'm cashing in your face for my country. Yes, that's here. And I practice a shot. I practice a shot now because of him, yeah. And exactly like for that to be his four three in like three minutes. And every time that that you look at the score, it was always like six points because France kept like even on the first three,

France kept coming back. They kept having a response to everything that stuff was doing. And then finally he's like, all right, enough of this. You guys over there. You guys can go play. a witcher bread or whatever. I'm shutting this down. Yeah, this is clear S tier.

It's joined right next to the OKC shot is probably the two shots will be most memorable when you look at the highlight real 20 years now. What about him crying when Rudy Gobert? I mean, what about Steph crying when Draymond Green got ejected? For attacking Rudy Gobert.

This got to be F, bro. Yeah, this got to be F because it was so like uncalled for and he knew, was like, I'm crying right now because I can't do it damn think about it because it was just so

it was so many moments because you had the you had the gobert choke where everyone's like yo Dremont like are you good like can you compose yourself and then later

and then really good team nice yeah you had Draymond get ejected because he was he was on a spree of just getting ejected

and then they go into that Orlando game and you know they're like fighting for position and he gets ejected as soon as the game starts he's like, yo, I just like, I can't deal with it right now. Oh, this wasn't for Gobert then.

What was this for? He was in Orlando. He just started arguing with somebody. He did argue with the ref. He got himself thrown out. Oh, I don't know why I thought I remember this as this happened after the Gobert choke. No, he, I mean, he got ejected from the goal bear choke.

He was in Orlando and they're like, yeah, they're like fighting for position. He's like, bro, like, can you keep it together for like, I need you right now, please. I've never seen anybody that distraught over somebody else getting ejected. Sounds like an A. It sounds like he wanted it bad enough. And he was overcome with emotion by how much he wants it and how much Dremont was

folding. Literally the only other time I'd seen Steph cry on the court is when he won a championship. It's the bookends of the spectrum of winning a championship and losing your best defensive player in the regular season. So what do you do with this? We'll go ahead. What? A for what?

It's crazy. For Glaze. It's amazing. Okay. Next up, we got him breaking Chris Paul's ankles, putting him

on the ground, creating a meme out of Chris Paul's misfortune. Okay, KBS. Why not? Because S is starting

to get a little bit crowded. You don't want to... I don't care. I genuinely, I genuinely do think the way we discuss Chris Paul changed after he got caught up.

You are right. Is this the start of Chris Paul becoming the butt of many jokes to Cavendrols? I loki think it is. Sounds like it's A tier then.

Estier is like some of the greatest place of all time. So we'll go A. But this... I don't know. You ruined another man's reputation. You permanently alter

a legend's career. That's like the point God. And now it's like Chris Paul. I will say too. I don't think anybody earnestly called him point God after this. I will say too, like this moment right here this move this crossover was the first time in like meme

history where we took this moment and extended it outside of basketball. And that never happened before until this move happened. I saw him on skateboards. I saw like on surfboard surfing on the moon in bowling alleys that's the main one and you know how like you make it like you you take the picture of crisp pa and like you do whatever and they

had him hitting the whip on the moon oh yeah you're right you're right and at that point before this that never happened ever tough what about him shimmying at the garden when he dropped 54 points this is this has to be like so tough for you having your crib he was crowned as the next guy in the garden and new york see that's the i mean that's that's the given take of of being knicks fans that everybody comes into your house and that's literally the stage for everybody they're like this is my time this is i'm going to like take advantage of this but i mean listen he scored 54 and it was like the point that was his the beginning of his like star career 2014 like this put him on the map probably beat here like it was the beginning of the story

it's also very funny though because he because he literally was in a trance because he's that he's Like, he's, he's shimmying down the court. And Draymond tries to high five with me. He's just like, he's just immersed in the flow here. Flow state, the shimmying. Yeah. Okay. What about in 2022?

Him pointing at the ring finger in the closeout game. Yes. This is hard. This is also got to be S tier, bro. This is, this is Pete calling. Because he did it like the third quarter. Like, technically Boston still had a chance to win that game right there at home. This is the definition of like popping.

your shit, bro. You have no right to go ahead and do this, but he's like, no, like, I foresee the future. I'm digging you guys seven feet fucking down, bro. I'm doing it. And Steph has always been an aura farmer from the jump. He knows how to get a moment, and sometimes he reaches

for it. This time, he reach as far as he can reach, and it landed. He actually got the aura moment of his career. I got to respect a big swing that landed. Because if they didn't win this game, and he was doing this in the third quarter, oh, that'd been hilarious. Yeah, you had to, You had to, even if they, like, won the series, then, like, it would have been okay.

But, yeah, you had to, you had to close it out. Okay. What about his crossover and three over Matthew Delvedova in the 2015 finals? Oh, that's when Delhi was called, like, the Delhi stopper. I remember that. The Steph stopper? The Steph stopper. Yeah.

Sent that man to the hospital. Yeah. I said, go get to Ivy. No, you're right. I remember that. Yes. And this was, this was, like, one of the more defining plays of his first championship. Yes, I think it's it's this one

And then it's you know When he's just driven it all over the court against Against LeBron Like those are the two Peak moments from this I have to go as to you It's in the It's in the it's in the finals

You have him It's not as to you're staring over The whole The big defense assassin Now this is este And lean towards B But It was a good shot

I mean it's over Del Vadova And it was like It wasn't like a game clinch or anything like that But it was a good shot that like part of like oh yeah these guys can't guard us we are better than this depleted cap's team i think what makes it feel better is the story behind it's in the narrative that was going into this game he sent him to the hospital that is very true he had to check you know you got you got you got me with a i was gonna go be yeah what about his no look shot in the all star game

the look away no look shot or a farming yeah that is that came out from that that whole all star game straight orah farming he's suited up tied his shoes tied him real tight and said i will be on house that was his goal and mission for that day and he accomplished it was the dominant IG Reels yeah he this is S tiered is it almost shameless no no it's a hundred percent shame or so it is shameless but

is it what we needed did he restore the feeling of the Australian for that night did we need him to ore farm for us to care was it necessary for the good of society you know you pose great questions here maybe but I think that like I don't know because it's in an all-star game

you have the freedom to oral farm so I don't think that the competition can necessarily bring you to it. But also like the level of oral farming oral farming that he was doing it could have been like could have gone very wrong. Taking turnaround three. But people I mean people do that in the all-star game

all the time. Like Dame was taking shot. But he did it multiple times though and he made it multiple times. I think Dame took multiple shots from half court too. Like people are as audacious as they as they ever are in all-star game. So like if he missed, they would have just been like

this moment is really just us to make a statement on aura farming The edits are hard How do we feel about Steph's aura farming overall That's where we go with this ranking I wanted to put it as But it sounds like you want to put it Be your name

S good Lord No it's not it's not as I'll go I'll go see Yeah see okay Yeah for the all-star game of war farming Because it does have just a little bit

of forceness to it Yeah there we go Tier makers lagging It's kind of crash That's your maker Okay Next one we got So after that one

What about his game time shot Over Anthony Davis in the playoffs He hit the quarter three Over him falling away And won three point shot Again this is kind of similar To Chris Paul But not in such a manner

Because eventually AD won a ring But he was ruining his life Bro He was ruining his life for a couple of years But it's not to the same degree As Chris Paul So it can't be A They swept him

in that series but it is like you're right yeah and step doesn't have a lot of playoff game winners like that but this being one of them and the fact that we call what was a game tying song

it wasn't a game winner actually well he had two because he had one in regulation and one in overtime didn't he I don't remember though I'm just thinking about this I'm sure he had three but it wasn't like a buzzer beer

but he had one where it was clearly like oh there's also a full point playing they just didn't call the foul like that should have been a game winner but I'll go I'll go be on this one two players to tackle you like that bro and no alcohol or none hilarious yeah i'll go be be's good for that one next up we have him dribbling between three clippers players yeah this is a no no no this is esteer this this this this

this tier and the reason why it's esteer is because in the same way that people were like oh wow sentences are being said that have never been said before dribble moves are being put together that have never been dribbled before the ways the way step just went through all three of them was like you know i didn't i didn't know people could just do that so there was a phase of two kids y'all don't understand y'all weren't there this is all sports center every single day this was one of the top plays for so long when step kerry did this everybody understood what we are watching right now is so different y'all don't understand and you're going to clown he's like kari just did that yesterday just who he got it from

carrie hasn't even done this yesterday it was like that i'm just pulling out the name you know what i'm No, no, I'm just saying that. That's not a real argument. Like, it's not true. He's, Seth Curry is alone in his abilities. If you've played 2K, and if you've played Park

slash neighborhood in the last 10 years, you have played point guards that do exactly what Steph Curry did in real life. He dribbled forward, dribbled back, and pulled the three over three defenders. It is a video game thing

that people do, and they find annoying a video game because it's unrealistic. And he did it to an NBA team. Okay. To who? Christopher Maynoball again. David.

The Clippers. All right. What about him doing us similar thing, pulling Rudy Gobert on the perimeter and making him look silly, generally past him. I mean, you know, me, and you, you, you may Rudy Gobert look silly. We're going to S-tier.

No, I think at that point, it can't be S-tier because it wasn't as impressive because I've seen everybody do it to really go bear. I've seen everybody do it. It's a solid entry into that. Yeah, it's a young Rudy Gobert before he came into his own, too. You're taking advantage of a player. No, I mean, so that Rudy Gobert should have been a little bit more spry, a little bit more agile.

He was out here getting turned around. He did several spins on an NBA court Like a bellerina Man see And that right there He's taking advantage of someone like We don't go for it We'll go see

It's a standard entry But it goes to show how insane steps handles Were when he were young I think people are already forgetting Because nowadays he's like A lot older and slower And like he seems like Oh Steph Curry hasn't lost a step

It feels that way Because he's still so good You go watch his old clips He's lost several steps He was insanely quick back then And last but not least We have Steph Curry trying to dunk on a fast break and falling on his ass.

Come on, that's here. When I think about what is good. Wait, which. Lakers. Oh, yeah, that was super embarrassing because he did not only fall on his ass, but he ran to the corner, tried to shoot three, and airballed it too. Correct.

Super S tier. When I'm imagining what's going to define stuff, create in my mind, when I'm an old man, I'm telling my future offspring about this man, I will think about this dunk or what could have been a dunk. But what was an embarrassing moment. He's always wanted to be able to boom that bitch, but he's never had that ability. He wants to be LeBron so bad. Let's say the quiet part out loud

He wanted to be able to Tomahawk And he was like After he tries He just knows it's not his range Yeah like you look silly Stop trying And you know what He a couple of years ago

Said he's retiring from dunking He'll never try again Because he knows his limitations LeBron would never retire from dunk It's also crazy 63 can't dunk That's kind of wild Get in the laugh

This is Esther Oh yeah This is one of the plays I'll never forget Oh my gosh Perfect tier list that I see Oh Look what we did

Magic We did it once again Round of applause for us Next thing we're gonna do Clap below for us I'm gonna name two young NBA players Actually not young Rephrase that

I'm gonna name two NBA players Okay You tell me which one has a better chance Of winning an MVP in the next five years Okay So five year window Who's gonna win an MVP first If anyone will

Victor Woman Yama Or Anthony Edwards Victor Woman Yama Actually, Victor's team has to be a lot better. This is a lot like, this is contingent on how your team is as well. For sure.

But players of that caliber, their team typically gets good as they get good. I'm willing to assume in two years the spurs will be really good. Yeah, honestly, because low key, like I know that the wolves have been to back-to-back conference finals. There are once,

Bozo. They are once again going to have to rebuild and retool. I feel like in the, the wolves? Yeah. Because Rudy Gaubert is getting older. We'll see, like, if Julius Randall finishes out his career there, I feel like they're going to be in a similar spot as the Spurs.

And at this point, in the next five years, I think Wembe is going to be the better player than Ant. We're in a lot of discussion. Winby versus anybody. You should pick Wemby. Yeah. So I'll go Wembe. Yeah.

I think the only opportunity that someone like Anthony Edwards has is, like, literally this year. After that, he still obviously has opportunities because, like, who knows of injuries or whatever. Maybe, like, when it comes to the injury standpoint, that should be, like, heavily considered to because he I'm not going to say Winby's injury prone at all, but he went for playing 70 games, cool to like miss and

half the season for like something freakish off the court that happened or whatever. Well, he's literally not injury prone. It's a blood clot. It's not injured prone at all. There's no reason to calm injury prone. If Anthony Edwards is not winning it this next up a coming year, I think he's going to go to Wendy. Okay. I agree.

Palo Van Carriover is Cade Cunningham. Let's go Cate Cunningham. I think Paolo has the build But he still has to get to a step That I think Cade got to last year Where Cade felt like he could control the game A little bit more than Paolo could

And so and I I don't know Yeah I think I think I will go good Neither one of them are good enough To win an MVP in him soon Yeah but which one's more likely To become a top five player That can actually win an MVP is a question

I think Paulo's team is better And it would help like propel him And onto like the stage and category You say that, but that offense is disgusting. Desmond Bean is there now. Desmond Bain and Desmond Bain. He's not Clay Thompson. He's not going to fix it overnight.

I think considering how dire, he's going to look like Clay Thompson compared to what they used to have in Gere Harris. I think they want him to, but they might just look like a bad offense again. Is this offense going to be one of the 14 best offenses in the league? Maybe Barry. You'll never catch me like as predicting that.

It's tough. It's a lot to predict. Yeah, who's more likely to make a top five leap in the next five years? I think Kate. I'm going to lean towards. Kate because we've seen him finally get over not the home necessarily

but he like he's turning starting to turn the curve he definitely is. Steph Curry or Kevin Durant. You should Which unc is more likely to still got it. I think the Warriors made no changes as a roster. I think Steph is more likely

just because if he's on your team the team is going to be built around him whereas like Katie's he's just sliding into different teams just being a mercenary. Yeah, I don't think anybody would ever give KD another MVP. Like, that's, I just don't envision. Either one win an MVP would be hilariously unprecedented in the course of history. So if somebody's going to make something.

If you want a 40-year-old MVP, he's the go. Yeah, immediately. I don't care about any other factor. I could potentially, I could see Steph being like top five convos if the Warriors are as good as they were when they traded for Jimmy Butler through the back half of the year. If they would continue that and win maybe like 57 games, stuff is going to be in the conversations probably. That's a lot of games. It is a lot of games. But they're pretty good.

They weren't pretty good. Luca Donchurch versus Shea. Is it more likely Shea goes back to back and continues to win them or Luca gets his first? I think NBA fans are kind of sick of... NBA fans don't vote for MVP. But they do have a little bit of say when it comes to narrative and how they can get into other people's minds. If they had to say, Shea wouldn't want it this year. I think it might go towards...

It's easy to say, Shea, but I feel like Lucas is going to go ahead and get his get back. Lucas is getting him. There's going to be some narrative push of Skinny Luca in Los Angeles from the first time. I'm going to go Shea because I think his team is just going to be better where I think the Lakers have to, Lakers have to figure out some stuff to get themselves into the top one seat, the top two C. The Thunder are set up to be no worse than the second seed in the West for the next three,

four years. So I'll go Shea. Yeah, playing the numbers game, playing the odds, Shay has a better chance. But I can imagine a world where Luca is back on track of, you know, there's a reason for several years. said he should be the MVP favorite going to the season that's not going to go away aside from number games and odds and all that also narrative is a big part of this and i think luca probably has a stronger narrative to go ahead and get what that people just want to give it to him people wasn't waiting to give it to him he's made like five straight all-n-bbaugh first teams he's been

like an MVP favorite he was like run around like two years ago whatever the joe borough effect that'll be tough but honestly happen i'm going i'm going towards luka okay okay versus Jason Tatum. Tatum, he never sniffing it. He's never sniffing in MVP, right? Never. Unless it's like a finals MVP. Why so definitive?

Why not? Because if he wasn't getting it in the last two years, it's going to take a while for him to, one, miss this year with the Achilles. Then take next year to get back right to where he was. And then you have it. So really, really, and then you've got to hope the Southers are good enough again.

And so then we're looking at five years versus three years. I'm going with Cooper Flack. Yeah, I'm going with Cooper Flack. It would be pretty crazy if Cooper Flack had. MVP level by year five. I don't know if he has that potential, but I think he would be bet he would like probably reach higher

in the standings than someone. It's a better bet. It's a better use of your hard-earned cash to put it on Cooper flag. Yeah. Okay. What if Tatum came back in? This is investment advice.

And like his vertical was higher. Dude, he would completely like reverse all the narrative behind him. He would become like a like lynchpin for medical journalism and like how we think about recovery in the medical field. Okay, next one, Jalen Brunson versus Trey Young.

Jalen Brunson versus, I think Trey Young will probably be more likely to because he has more so like the Godi number aspect of it. Yeah, three years ago. He's a villain. It's been a while. It's been a while in like 25 and 10, 25 and 11. Yeah, I think Jailen Brunson. It's kind of still okay, been a while, like since it's been like a good 25 and 11 that

people respect, like, early career when he was like a walking 28 and 10 and like to what you were saying, I'm kind of scared those days are gone. Yeah, but we have space. for the first time since 2021. We have shooters for the first time. Yeah. Could you imagine, bro? Let me tell you.

Knicks are getting the one seed this year. It doesn't mean anything. And you're losing. The Knicks are getting the one seat. Jay and Brunson is going to average 27 and a half points. And you're going to get Molly out by the calves. 5.4. But not the, not the Hawks.

Exactly. The Hawks. We don't even get a chance to see you. We're not even going to get a chance to see you guys. Exactly. We're going to be the second seed. That's why. Okay. So you're not in this conversation.

So again, the Knicks are going to get the one seed. Brunson is going to average 27 and 5. No. And he'll be more in the conversation than Trey O. Yes, you will. Jail him. No, I don't like it. No.

Can't happen. LeBron James for Zion Williamson. LeBron. Versus Zion? LeBron easy. What is the MVP of, bro? He's LeBron's going to get a 44-year-old MVP. Yeah.

And he's still going to give votes. Because guys like him is still going to be like, yeah, that's like the 12th best player in the league. I'm going to playoff series. You need the best players. Guys like me tend to be right. Give you one game. I'll take LeBron still.

Overzahn. Hell yeah, bro. Yeah. If you give me that one game, it's in the play in. Like that's where they're going to be at. And guess what? For Zon, he was right there too, until he went ahead and pulled his hamster. Doesn't matter to you that in five years, LeBron will not be in the league.

And Zion will? Will Zion be in the league in five years? Oh, maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, that's fair. I'm going LeBron I got to allow it

He got to let it play I don't know All right Well there we go Sustained Sustained Next year we're going to do The last thing we're going to do

We are going to do a blind ranking And we're going to go over To hoopgoat.com And we are going to put these players Into a blind pyramid Done this before Been a little while We got one player in tier one

Two in tier two and so forth In four tiers First player up We got Derek lively I'm assuming this is I mean I don't think for bad if I go Derek Lavey, it's here for. Even if it is all role players, we'll get over it.

Yeah, he didn't have a great... Shout out to Derek Lerick. As soon as Luka went out, like, everyone's like, all right, but you're just done... Yeah, we'll get over it no matter what happens if it's bad. Kyrie Irving. All right, so we're ranking match. Three. I think... Yeah, I think post-injury, it's fair to say three, right now.

Well, let's do everybody at their peak, because we don't know if it can be all-time or not. We don't know if it's ranking Mavs. True. Everybody at their peak, Kyrie's their two or three. Sure. Let's still go three. But I would probably lean towards three Because even at his peak for the Mavs like

It's not about Mavs I'm I want to go through it is Oh shit we make the rules let's not Everybody's at their best I think we're probably more There's probably going to be three superstars That we feel okay about putting Kyrie in three There's a much better chance we put Kyrie 2

And then like Larry Bird comes up and we're like damn we suck All right we can put Kyrie 3 it's safe Wait it says you can show the category Do we want to show the category No, let's play it's Or you can choose a category That's interesting But now we'll just go blind

Okay next up Grayson Allen Four Four God damn it Hey don't We'll see We'll see

J.J. Redding God damn Kyrie should have been two Immediate What the fuck is this category Palo Bencaro Three Yeah I think I think three's okay

Yeah we gotta go three We're not We can't put him above Kyrie But we're not We're not gonna put him four Next as other guys Yeah we messed up Zion Williamson

Everybody's at their best Put him out Stop four okay you're at your mind at their best he at his best much better than what we see from paliban care so far

it's either three or two it's the numbers getting there's three spots up there if you put them in three we have to put everybody else above at their best sure two but I don't even know what at zion's best

necessarily means anymore as zion's best he average 27 points in insane efficiency for like a 43 game sample size that was a amazing season try it try to

to go to we've already fucked up we put shit to put kairi too yeah actually okay we can do that or we can just roll with what we got and put him four, I mean three. Because at that point...

Me, person, I'd put him in three. Let's go three. We put Kyrie three. We put Palo three. Let's play the risk game. Let's see. If we put Bumns in top two,

it's fine. Jared. Four. Jaylonson. Well, number two. We're gonna have three names that have to be the top three.

Let's do it. At his peak right before injury? What the fuck, man? Jason Tatum. One. Y'all sold. Do we go one?

We just have to. I feel like this is going to be a Hall of Famer. Jason Thames too is great I don't I don't I don't know Put him at two He's too safe It's on y'all safe Just in case

It's a Hall of Famer I feel to my bones They're not gonna We're gonna end up putting a bum at one They're not gonna give us a tier list With zero Hall of Famers Go ahead Might not

But let's go for it Alright Jay Barrett I told y'all All right damn it man We should have put Zion too God damn Damn man Grant Hill 1

That's completely okay Everyone at their best That works. Listen, RJ Barrett at his best. He had a streak of like five games. That is true. Listen, if we just swapped Kyrie with R.J. Barrett, this is a perfect tier list. Those first five games that RJ Barrett was when he was a part of the Raptors like two years ago.

We were like, oh. Yeah. We literally only got one thing wrong, and it was Kyrie in three over two. I'm fine with this. Yeah. Dan Johnson disrespectful will not be tolerated. We could do it a little bit better. If we would have put Kyrie 2, that means we would have had Zion.

We probably should have put Tatum one. Yeah, we should have put Daytonham one. But Grant Hill at his best is defensible. Like that's like... Defensible. It's not terrible. Pete for peak, that's like defensible. It's not like that's... I don't feel bad about that compared to the other stuff.

I'm willing to live there. Right there. Yeah, there's worst things on here. Yeah, like, I don't care. He's... Jason Tatum is marginally better than Grant Hill at his best. That's completely fine. R.J. Barrett.

And what sense or contest could this ever make sense? Oh, we can show category now. Duke University. It was Duke players. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Damn.

And if we knew that, we would, would we have a potato one if we knew was two players? Yes. We would have. I think we definitely think I resumed. Is he the best player to come out of due? Like in the NBA? Yeah.

Probably. I got a look. Over the last like 10 years. Oh, Grant Hill. Are you giving him over Grant Hill? I think so just because of health stuff and like the ability. Well, forgive it to Grant Hill, then yeah, I guess. Oh, wait.

No, yeah, you're right, right. Yeah, I think he's the best. Until Cooper flag, yeah. yeah i guess we'll see you love your white boys yeah he does no i love the european white boys i'm agnostic to cooper flag i love the passing wizards out in the eurros that's what i love i don't care about american whites damn i got 10 games you're like this flag guy i'm gonna grab me up no i'm gonna be great he's really special you know well see you say that he is really special no i will say that but i'll never proclaim it's on my favorite players unless he comes out

and he's the best passers in the right way. If he could pass the ball and play to get in the right way and be a hustler at first one and first one out, I will respect him. If he can be in Ladd-McConkie of the NBA, I will respect him. That's a house call, man. There's no more like American boy and white boy than Latamacanke.

His name is... Really? Dude, I die every time he's on national TV and the announcers say his name that aren't used to saying his name. Like, the local charges announcers, like they're not amused. They must have some fun, so much fun saying his name. They're, McConkey.

I forgot who it was, was doing the Friday night game on opening week. It was Rich Eisen and Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner. Every time Kurt Warren did something. Actually, no, it was Rich Eisen, actually. Every time he got first down, he was first down, McConkey. He said it with so much thunder in his voice. You just thought it was hilarious word.

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