The Deep 3 Podcast - We Put The Last 25 NBA Champions In A Tier List | Ep. 94

Episode Date: June 21, 2024

Every modern NBA championship team tier list! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 3:30- Lakers hire J.J. Reddick 14:35- Caruso traded to Thunder 28:22- 76ers don't want Paul George 36:52- Champions tier list 1:38:44- Producer Corner 1:46:16- Tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It feels like every other year we have some kind of hilarious coaching cycle with Los Angeles Lakers. For as long as I've been a fan, I feel like they haven't had a good long-term coach. And now we have millennial Pat Riley coming into the door. The world's greatest podcaster is coming to be the next great coach. I'm ready for the next area of JJ Reg basketball. Listen, this is what the Lakers are about. And very underrated, right? Obviously, we're all going to get our jokes off.

Pat Riley did the exact same thing, right? Pat Riley, you said, Pat Riley was working on the radio and they were like, hey, do you want to come do this? It was like, yeah. At least, at least JJ has, you know, done the same thing, played in the league, done the podcast and stuff, been in media. This just might be the next Pat Riley. Who knows? They both put the slick back hair, the look. They're with it.

This is giving all of the podcasters right now, hope, producer Nick Hugh, Isaac, Donovan, Zach Lowe, Kenny Beecham, Derek, D Mills. You all have an opportunity to become head coaches. Just like me, too. Now's our time. Shout out to JJ Redder for paving the way. Listen, us three combined. Us three combined. We can coach the pistons.

We can do it. Yeah, I think if you, like, combined us in, like, a lab and, like, made us into one person, like a brain mold of three brain powers, then maybe we can do it. Exactly. Oh, we'd be great. Yeah. We got Isaac in a little universe. Donovan knows how to connect with any person.

and I know how to tap into people silly side. Donovan's just like King Networker? Yeah, exactly. He's assigned him that. Quite literally. I guess. We got a lot talking about this episode. I just like this.

Do you guys want to run a screen? Push the pace, guys. Clicking your knees together. All right, man. Like I said, lots to talk about today. JJ Reddick is a coach of the Lakers. Alex Caruso was on the Thunder. The Sixers don't want Paul George.

And you see you by the title, we're doing a tier list of the last 25 NBA championship teams. So it's going to be a long episode. Hit the intro music. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on Eater's rejoice.

All right, before we get to the main part of the pod, I need a quickly I'll tell you guys, for the next two weeks, the streams aren't going to be on Monday, and I know you guys hear that. You're like, what? They're pushing it to Tuesday, and they always do this late, lately, yada, yada, yada. It's not that. The reason is we're delaying this next coming Monday stream to Wednesday because we're going to stream during the NBA draft,

and then the following week instead of Monday, we're going to bring it up until Sunday because we're going to stream for the first day of free agency. Oh! And I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say this right now, but I'm going to leak it for y'all. These aren't going to be in-person streams too Me, Isaac, and Donovan

are going to be yapping for the first time in person Yep, yep, first action in person It's going to be in New York at the bleach report offices It should be a fun time And also another reminder before we get onto the pod The new crayor need your merch is still out We announced a few guys last week You guys have loved it. It's been a great response

We appreciate all y'all that have bought it so far You see Donovan got the hoodie on right now I'll put the graphics on screen again To show you guys the same stuff we showed you last week It's been good, it's been a good rollout for it but we aspire we aspire to have

all right let's start with Lakers talk let's start with Lakers talk Let's go Let's go You know for about a month now We've known that this team has had their eye on JJ Redick There was a brief intermission

Where for a week Adrian and Woznarowski Gaslit us into thinking that it was going to be Dan Hurley For ways that seems a little A little motivated By personal interest But neither here nor there

But it all came back around And from the jump Sham Sharani was right. J.J. Rack is a coach of the Lakers. Mo, how do you feel about this? I don't give a damn. I just can't wait about the means, bro. I literally have nothing to lose.

It doesn't change my life, bro. I still wake up and I have to do the same things that I do every single day. Don't care at all. But how do you feel about it? Donovan, do you have an opinion since Mo came up here in an opinion? Listen, I'm happy. Content won today, right?

like most said on the intro all the podcasters are up today and not only because exactly not only because a light has been shined on our field but also because for the next four years right we have content or however long jay last as the coach of the lakers but like every every night it's going to be it's going to be something we all know right the narrative with darwin ham he's going to keep his hands in his pockets he's not really going to do anything by the time What, Thanksgiving rolls around? We're going to play like 16, 17 games. There's already going to be the narrative of, oh, JJ doesn't know what he's doing.

He should have stuck to, you know, stuck to podcasting if the Lakers are anything below, like, 75% win percentage. So it's going to be a very bumpy ride. I'm very curious to see how Lakers fans handle it. I'm curious to see how he handles it and what the Lakers come out as. Because, listen, we know that when you have LeBron and AD, you want to win the championship. I don't think that the Lakers are championship robust right now. I still think that this roster is kind of a little bit of ways from championship, like, legitimately shortlist.

So that, like the realistic expectations versus, oh, yeah, we're hiring JJ Reddick, what do we want him to push and where do we think we're going to be? That disconnect or that gap is what I'm going to be looking at for the first, like, month and a half. Yeah, you can't be championship or bust if you're in their position unless you're just delusional, which, you know, no one ever accused the Lakers. your front office is being rational actors. But, you know, they're not the Celtics in that regard. You said content wins.

I think content actually loses dramatically. Just because we're losing JJ Redick in the NBA media space, a current NBA media landscape that desperately needs all the substance they can get and they're losing the biggest face of it. So listen, Stephen A. Smith, you even have it in a moment? Get ready to keep screaming. The eyes are back on you. Oh, he was going to do that where the JJ got hired.

or not, right? He doesn't need permission from us to scream. Kendra Perkins, more eyes on you. Exactly. Everybody eats now because a million views a day are gone from JJ Reddick and dispersed everywhere. Exactly. Richard Jefferson, this is your time to step up into the life, right?

Tim Legler. Exactly. Tim Legler, you've been getting your flowers on Twitter for the past couple of days. You are the face of the franchise now. You are the face of the nerd. Show up. People analysis, you better get in your bag. That was the time.

As a Lakers fan, I'm just, I'm a very realistic Lakers fan, I think. I'm not super like drink the Kool-Aid, like, oh, every sorry year, like a Cowboys fan. And I'm very jaded by them just being inept since the Russell Westbrook trade. So I don't have terribly high expectations. So a lot of Lakers fans that still think every year is going to be the year they can win again. maximize this, maximize that. They really, really harp on every decision, understandably their fans.

So they have some concerns, right, that in the short term, you're hiring a guy that has no coaching experience. You would want better for a team that has a 38-year-old of Bronn James and needs to win now, you know, just based on how old he's getting. 39.

39. Me, in other hand, I don't give a fuck. I don't think they're going to win either way. So I just want a coach that has a potential to be really good for years on the line because I don't think you're maximizing this roster and winning a championship either way. I'm not going into the season thinking that.

So you could do something conservative and boring and scared, like hiring a James Borrego, a whoever else you want Thorne the Bus as being a mediocre average coach that will be fine, but no chance of being great. Or you can take a swing on somebody who's never done it before, but has the chance of being a diamond in the rough and being the next Pat Riley, being the next Steve Kerr, being the next, whoever you want to assign precedent to

as being a great player-turn coach. You can hope that that's JJ Reddick, because he's shown that he's really smart, has the analytical ability, has a relationship of players, the personality you think will translate well. You can assume all of that will go in your favor and take that chance. And to me, that's way better than doing something super scared in hiring a retread coach. Again, makes her better content. Like, I think we said this either on a stream or a couple podcasts ago.

But again, we all know JJ Redick is chronically online. He is a loser like the rest of us who be on Twitter for two hours a day. right two hours too long um he's gonna go on fantastic type like rants whether it be like post game he's gonna have some generational memes pop up here and there at least like every 20 games or so uh for the los angeles lakers and he's gonna get so many texas well already do know it and i can smell it from a mile away he is so no nonsense when he goes on first taking shit where he's like why are we talking about this this is fucking dumb what are we doing this is not good for the game imagine he goes on a podium they have a tough loss of the clippers on

november 25th they lose in the last second because d'angelo russle is on bullshit they get to the presser and they ask him something that is just so dumb and so minimizing of what an actual basketball game is like he's gonna see red and he's like why do you have this job what are you doing yes yes quite literally quite literally i got a question for you guys though okay so in a couple of days from now They are able, I believe they'll be able to, like, trade away three first round picks. Is there, like, quite literally no pathway for them to improve this roster now that JJ Redick will be involved in these decisions? Do you think they can, like, they'll legitimately have a shot?

There's plenty of pathways, I think. They can definitely get in that mix. They're not, they're not screwed or anything. I'm just not going into it assuming they will. But like you said, three first round picks, the 17th overall pick. They can draft a ready-made player that can help now. Like, there's definitely a war with their contenders again. Yeah.

And it's like, it's the Lakers. So people always think boom or bust, you always are thinking about them in a trade context as like, okay, what star are we going to trade for? If you just act like a normal organization and trade for pieces around the fringes, right, that could also be very beneficial, right? If you decide, hey, we're actually not going to go after Demich. We're actually not going to go after Tray Young, but you go and you get yourself another role player, kind of like what they did two years ago when they rebuilt the whole roster.

It wasn't because they traded for some start at the deadline. They rebuilt it with role players with guys that actually fit around LeBron and AD. And then you made a Western Conference Finals right. Like that's also another path that you can take. And so, and look, looking, and we'll talk about it in a little bit, but looking at the price that some guys go for, you may be able to get a steal in the offseason. And listen, a fifth C just made the finals.

You before that, an 8th seed made the finals. You before that, I don't remember. What were this the Warriors, like a fifth seat or something? They weren't high. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it wasn't top three. I don't think. I say it to say, we're in an age of parity. No, they were.

They were top three seed? Yeah. Okay, whatever. Yeah, they did. Either way. Yeah, either way. They were seeing a lot of non-top two seats, whatever the number is, make the finals because we're in an age of parity where, at least outside the Celtics, there's no

true, like, unbeatable forces right now, especially in the West. There's just a lot of great teams. If the Blakers, you know, are a productive fourth or fifth seed, have a good season reload they have as good of a chance as all these other teams do so they're not screwed by any means they're just not a lock for having those type of expectations yeah everything is about matchups as we as we've seen right like because i think all of us are like hey Denver would have played Dallas that would have been completely different but it we never we never got there because minnesota was a perfect matchup for Denver and so you just got to hope that the cards fall

wherever they wherever they may and that if you're a lakers fan things end up in a favorable for you. And again, it's funny because JJ and LeBron have been doing this podcast for a couple months now, but we can't act like this hasn't happened in NBA history. We can't act like guys, like former players who have relationships with current players are giving jobs. Like Steve Nash's whole, the whole reason why he got the job in Brooklyn was because he used to, you know, he used to be some very, very low tier coach with the Warriors. He would come in and him and KD were cool. Next to you know, boom, coach. Jason Kidd retired two weeks later. Boom, coach. Derek Fisher retired a couple years later. Phil Jackson is like, yeah, I'm going to look

out for my guy. Boom, coach. So like this pathway, we talk about like the podcast of the head coaching pipeline. That's fine. If you are actually looking at it for real, it's former player to head coaching pipeline. And we've seen that a million times. So it actually, so it really isn't that. Exactly. Isn't that crazy. Now, their argument will be most of these people you name have at least some form of assistant coaching experience and he has none and fair argument, right? That's going to be a learning curve. This isn't going to be a seamless experiment, right? We said, I said it's a risk at the end of day, the hope that you get the high end outcome and he is great, but it is a risk. And if it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to get him so easily. A guy, because, you know, he has the potential. We know if things work out, that potential is only available so easily because the downside is also there. So you guys are right. It's just. Or you want to take that risk is I guess the difference in mindset. Donovan touched on it real quick.

But real question, what do you guys think happens to the mind of the game podcast? Oh, it's done. I mean, it's over. You can't do a podcast while you're a coach. Like his media career is going on pause. The 342 media company is going to keep doing today and producing other shows. But JJ Redd is not going to be on a podcast while he's a coach. Yeah.

Good for him. If that's what he wants to be back in the NBA coaching, that's his end goal clearly. So good for him. The media thing will always be there. if it doesn't work out he can hand the keys to whoever else is running it I think it's Jason Gallagher

formerly of the ringer who's the media head of that company they'll keep doing their thing maybe he'll make appearances they'll produce other shows but we know he wants back in the NBA so good friend

good job what a what a journey for JJ Redding man how beautiful was that man was what else is a less and beautiful journey you know who has a terrible journey the Chicago Bulls front office

and that journey just got laid with more shit as they traded Alex Caruso, a player who last year they declined a trade in which they would have got two first-on picks for. Rumored that one of those first-on picks to potentially be top ten. That was declined. They kept their core together

for three years in a row. Everybody told them they should blow it up. They finally did it. They finally traded Alex Caruso, and they did it by trading for one Joshua Giddy and zero first-round picks. A straight-up player for player trade, which never happens anymore. And they did it for potentially the worst starter in the Western

Conference right now. How do y'all feel? Hold on on. You telling me they couldn't even get a heavily protected pick a fake first rounder? Not a one. Damn!

Zero! Not a second rounder. Not a pick swap. No cash considerations. Nothing. You can even get a printer? A fax machine? Toilet paper alongside Josh Giddy?

Damn. Just Josh Gideon his hair products, man. This is awful. This is, this is, this is, this show me two things. And like the first thing was if you are a GM, trade that asset today. Because we talk about like, oh yeah, like we're going to wait for the asset. The two, the two guys are at the top of my head where I can think of GMs like overrating them or the entire league wants them. I can think

of Alex Caruso and I think of OJ and Inobie. And we heard Messiah Jiri talk for years. It's going to take a million first round picks to go get, you know, to get O.G. off of us. And it took like Emmanuel quickly and RJ Barrett. And he was like, oh, wow. Like that actually wasn't that bad. And then Alex Caruso, every team in the league wants him. And then like you said, it just takes Josh Giddy. You, if you have a guy that everybody else is like, hey, I, like, we kind of need him. You can fleece these teams. And the fact that they did not fleece the team with the most first round picks at their disposal is ridiculous. I said on the show. That's what it is.

Exactly. I said it on the stream the other day. Sam Presti is now in that, like, in that tier where if he calls your phone, you hang up because he's trying to fleece you. You're going to get scammed. And no matter what the deal is, public opinion is going to be that you are scammed unless you're the Bulls and you agree to get fleeced in a trade. This is not good at all.

And I genuinely feel bad for Bulls fans. I think you said you learned trade your asset use your power or so and so I learned that if you're a team that has aspirations of making positive moves dial up to Chicago Bulls because they are a walking lick

right for the punching they are easy come up you're gonna win that trade if you're a team that you need a shooting guard just go ask them by Zach Levine maybe they'll just like give you four first rounders to take them if you want veteran leadership

see what's up with Demar de Rosen you need a stretch forward that's potentially going to be a big defender your PJ Washington, Patrick Williams is there and he's free. They will just give people away. And if they're not giving away, they're doing the dumbest thing they possibly can. They'll turn down any bad offer you give them. There's no bad outcome

when it comes to trading with the Bulls. I'm not going to lie. The fans have to write. The Silver has to do something about this. The Chicago Bulls need to be monitored. Whoever they're, who's their GM? I think his name is like Mark something.

Oh, no. His name is, yeah, Mark Eversley. Um, he, he needs to be on the watch. He has a, he has a long European name. I can't remember someone to K. Yeah, he's new. Artuvius. I don't want to butcher it.

Yeah, I think he's new. I think he just joined within the last like two years or so. But, um, yeah, that dude right there, you are on watch. A lot of consonants. Watch. Yeah, there is. Yeah, I know, I did the first one pronounce Arturius. I don't know how to say the last name.

I don't want to butcher it. But listen, man, you suck. Tough, tough, tough, tough sled. as a boo's there's nothing there's nothing interesting for us to say because the bulls just keep doing what the bulls do which is we're going to be mid and we're going to be stupid and at least if you're going to be mid can you be interesting or if you're going to be mid can you do it in a way that like shows that you have direction and you just they refuse to do that they they look like they are okay just prepared to be mid for the rest of the kill can you pull a red

Lusty Bucket's Twitter. We have some Bulls fans. I think it'd be kind of funny to look through their tweets. I forgot he's a Bulls fan. Yeah, Kenny was too. Yeah, sadly for them. While he's pulling that up,

what are the Bulls rotation? What's the Bulls' guard rotation looking like? There's Kobe White, Ayut Sumu, Longo Ball. Who cares? They have so much to change still.

They're going to do so much dumb shit from between now under free agency that we shouldn't even talk about it yet. They're going to continue to do the dumbest shit ever, yeah pulled the funny one Kenny posted video Kenny said in his video

he was like Listen I know I'm the YouTube guy That's like the face Of rebuilding teams Of a fan perspective He's like I think I could do a better job Than the Bulls have in the past three years As a DM

And everyone was like facts man I think you got it Can't argue with that I hope Rusty's okay man I'm blaming this front office In the note I leave behind Oh my God Note I leave behind

Should I call him right now to see if he's alive. Yeah, that would be kind of funny to call him. You're on the pod. I'm going to call him right now. Text him and tell him he's going to be on the pod first if he wants to. No, he has no choice. That's my dog.

Yeah, just call me. Put it up the mic so people can hear it. Let's see if he hears it. If he answers, if he answers, it'll be the funniest thing ever. Alive, rusty. He got a girl now, though, so he's probably not. Oh, are you alive? We just showed the pod.

We're recording right now also. So watch your mouth. But we just showed the pod. your bull's tweet and I wanted to know if you're okay if you're alive dude people are calling me

like my grandma died or something oh man's like are you okay I need me to like send flowers or something I'm not okay I'm a bulls fan oh man

all right I'm going to send you flowers and some chocolates and maybe some ice cream like that after the pot, all right? Via Instacart, on me. Sounds good. All right. Be like, pal.

He said, pal. That's great. That's fucking hilarious. There's not much to add that hasn't been said already. They're bad. They've been bad. San Preci is good.

He's been good. Let's talk about it for the OKC Thunder. It's only thing that matters. They replaced potentially the worst stars. in the Western Conference, aside of, like, obviously the Trailblazers and Spurs have started some shiters over the year.

But, you know, one of the worst starters for a team has aspirations of doing something, you know, positive. Actively damaging starter, they replaced with first team all defense level guard play. So now they have Shea, Jada, Dort, Caruso, and Kaysen Wallace as premier defenders with Chet, a home grin in the back. Listen, we've been talking a lot about the,

Donovan, you said on the last dream, you said that you think they're going to win the next finals. You called that out already. You said this year of 20, 25. champion, even outside of your declaration of that, we've been saying that this is the team clearly in line to do what the Celtics did

and have a great team. They make the moves necessary to get their version of Derek White, Drew Holiday, Porzingis, whoever may be, and go to the next level. We were just saying they're going to make that move

and be doing that same formula with the two-star perimeter players in Shea and J-dub and then Chet being their Porzingis and they're going to get their next guys to fill out the roster. This is that next guy. OKC, you are now in your championship

window this is what they needed to do this is amazing as somebody who made that the declaration a couple days ago like two hours after the Celtics one i could not be happier and i'm letting you know right now going into next year the thunder will be my team out west at least right i i can't listen i can't wait like i think that i i've been thinking about the worsening conference and the standings like all day, even before the trade. And I still can't believe that the Thunder weren't in the Werson Conference Finals. I was so sure that they were going to beat Dallas. I'm so bought in to everything that I'm so bought into everything that they are doing.

And the fact that, again, that you can add a first team all defense on your, on your team right now for nothing, for no picks. And you still have all the flexibility in the world to go address your other name. assets negative assets for another main concern in your backup center now they can be as complete a team in terms of like a young team climbing the mountain they can be as complete as we've ever seen because of everything that they have at their disposal it's it's crazy it's it's insane so yeah did i sprinkled i'm not gonna lie i did a little something sprinkled i did a little something I saw someone say Alex Caruso and Chad Holmgren

are going to be the best perimeter defense best pick and roll defense duo since wait a minute that might be the best ever that's like was part joke but Alex Caruso is the best screen navigator in the NBA right now

Chet Holmgren is not far from being a top what two to three in protector even as a rookie it was like Rudy A.D. Wemby and Chet that's the list this is as good of an on-ball defensive duo

you can possibly imagine then with all the slew of other guys you talked about once they get that power forward to allow jadab to go back to the three i don't know how you're going to score against them there is no other white two white men that i could like fear the most when i call a screen and then i just see like chet hunggram big ass on me like what are you supposed to do then bro coach call a timeout it's raps they're going to be ridiculous bad right i'm bad right i was very loud and vocal about my love for the thunder this year specifically because of my love for chet and jub who have all the stock in the world

in. They went out sad and everybody let me hear about it. I get it. I was never wrong. I was just early. I was too early this year. This is where it's going to happen. We're seeing the extension of this victory. We're bought in the supporting cast. We're bought in from day one. From day negative one. I was bought in nine months ago and I have eight crow because of it. Next year it's going to come pay due. When y'all see me with a thunder jersey, listen, you know what's up. You deserve it, man. Y'all deserve it. And another thing that's so interesting this too is he obviously like we see this trade and all we think about his defense because obviously that's alice caruso's like main selling point but offensively too he's quite literally no slouch

you can't leave him open he shot like three or five threes per game last season shot a career high 40% from the three point line nobody knows that it feels like and for him to be like a legit threat a ball hand there as well we've obviously we obviously know that he can facilitate the offense here and there too he's quite literally under the very vein of the Derek White like prototype he's quite literally that

yeah he's not quite the on ball score as Derek White but Cala player listen defensively like he has no strengths he's really good in transition attacking the rim filling lanes knowing where he needs to go

like you said corner three point shooter he's gonna be to them kind of what Drew Holiday was where listen I'm gonna go stand the corner I'm gonna cut get my offensive rebounds do my thing and then I'm gonna clamp the fuck at whoever needs clamping it's gonna fit exactly the same way

oh my it's so damage to get no picks though it's so damning to get no picks like yeah no it's about practice it's malpractice the same way that david stern took over you said earlier david stern took over the the hornets back in the day adam silver needs to do the same thing take the team away from from everybody who's running the bulls right now because you can't keep doing this and you can't take a team that is in a top three market in the in the league and no matter how bad they are attendance still top of the league like bulls fans care and they will show up to these games shout out to them for that I don't know how you could go year after year after year showing up

knowing that your team is about to go 39 and 43 and I think you should blame the declining ratings on our tourists bro let's do it let's do it we can blame them for everything for everything that that's wrong why haven't you saw global warming at our tourists back in In 2017, 2016, 2018, Bulls fans were rioting and they got, things got so bad for Bulls Nation that they went ahead and I remember they put up a billboard saying fire gar packs in the middle of the, in the middle of the city, just for them to get, I don't want to say an even worse for an office, but damn near you could call it the word, and even worse for an office right in place right after that.

So sad. Yeah, they don't nothing but misery. And that's what they get for getting, what, 13 years. are the best basketball imaginable Michael Jordan they just live a lifelong price for that. They're ruining MJ's legacy, believe it or not. We look at them a lot better.

Listen, we're going to, in a couple weeks, once free agency winds down, we're going to go through and grade every move like we always do, so we'll have more in-depth grades for this. I can tell you now, it's going to be an A and F. Spoiler life. Flying colors. Before we get to the tier list, the main part

episode is real quick. There's reports today about Woj that in the last few days, he specifically said in recent days that Philadelphia 76ers have cooled on their pursuit of Paul George. Yesterday, he put out a new episode

of Podcast P where he was talking about what went wrong with the Clippers and essentially he was saying he didn't like the role everybody played and he kind of made I don't put words in his mouth

exactly, but my interpretation was he didn't like how they had to do dirty work after getting James Hardin. He didn't like that he was a tertiary option and had to do rebounding, defense, all this stuff seemed like he didn't like that as much

and wanted to be in a place where they played the right style of basketball which is hilarious after we just watch Jaylon Brown and Jason Tatum do all the dirty work in the world. Is this a coincidence at the same six of the one of the day after? I don't know, but it's pretty funny.

It's very funny. Yeah, he said the second that they traded away and lost Nicholas Batum and Robert Covington as well, like he had to go ahead and do the dirty work pretty much basically you don't think you're putting words in mouth is that's what he was like quite literally alluding to and hearing that is so it hurts as a pa pg 13 fan like it hurts my

soul and it just like kind of points to him being the his career outcome is the reason i understand why things have gone its way so yeah exactly it makes some please yes yeah i don't want to again we don't got to be too harsh about it but there's certain patterns that arise when you hear certain superstars have certain mindsets and every stop of Paul George's career has had issues that come apart

due to personnel reasons. Remember the 2020 bubble how they kind of fell apart from a locker room standpoint and all these different things of happening? It doesn't seem like he is necessarily the

he's not I'm trying to how to I phrase this right it's not not his fault yeah he's not an antidote to the problem I'll say that you guys say all that i heard one thing and that is that paul george is about to be an indiana pacer that's i heard Orlando magic because they need ball handling listen there's a lot of work to be done

in in in Orlando and they get down like their entire organization is like this we may not make shots we may not have easy offense we're going to do the dirty stuff we're going to we're going to get down and dirty. And from what Paul George says, exactly, that's, that's not, that's not what he wants to do. And I think that now, looking at the landscape, it would, it would be very fitting for Paul George to be like, you know what, I'm tired of this. I've had to work so hard. Let me, let me go back home, right? Let me, let me go back to the Pacers. I can have Tyrese Halliburian, I could go be the number one scoring option on the perimeter. I could, I could just play my game in a city that loves me. So right now, so right now, I think, I think that Paul George might be an

Indiana Pacer. Right after he's, it's kind of hard though, because he's like 150 points on some team's head. He could just go right to his backyard and go back to fishing and catching some ass. I understand. Exactly. It's kind of hard since they extended Pascal Siakum and so it would have be a sign-in tray where they give up like some serious money and it would hard cap them. So it would limit them in a way that they don't normally, the paces are not an aggressive team. So I don't know there's a realistic avenue there to get to get to the Pacers. He's going to try, I bet. I bet that those

doors get knocked on because the Clippers have shown no indication of wanting to pay him. I don't know that they loved that interview either. Dude, something else that it was said in this podcast that's just like, I don't want to say it. Keep this sweet up. Zoom in a little bit. Let's talk about this. It's very interesting.

And it was something that everyone should notice. He said that he wasn't focused on chasing a championship. He just wanted to start playing basketball the right way. What does that even mean? Hey, maybe he is, maybe he is Carmelo Athe 2.0.

Maybe he is that. Listen, maybe I have to start respecting. Maybe I have to start respecting PG because he's about his bag. And that is exactly what Carmelo is. He's like, listen, I just want to play my game. Maybe I might have to be a fan. That's, that's right here. It says, PG said he doesn't want to sit in the corner.

He did say that. PG said he doesn't want to do the majority of the playmaking. He said that in the past when they got James. PG said he doesn't want to share the ball handling duties with Hardin as much as he's had to. PG said he doesn't want to do the dirty work. What does Paul George want to do? He wants the podcast. What's good everybody is podcast, Pete.

Exactly. Presented by prize picks. He wants to do ad reads. What was your welcome to the league moment? Yeah. What was your welcome to the league moment? It's a good podcast, so more power to him, but to be fair, maybe he just puts his own foot in his mouth and maybe he's, we're taking this a route that's not entirely what he meant. Maybe he wants a better balance, all these things.

But we can only react to things he said, and he does not do himself any favors with how he communicates his desires. That is true. One thing that, listen, Paul George is, again, Paul George is getting up there. And this just sounds like some old man. talk. He's like, man, I'm too over this. Like, I just can't, I can't be doing everything on the core. I can't, I can't be the number one score. I can't be the number one passer. I can't be the one diving on the floor for loose balls. I can't be the one setting screens. He probably wants to be in a situation where we always think about Paul George as like this super, uh, like flexible

and like valuable, uh, you know, like all star. He could fit in with a whole bunch of pieces. I think it sounds like, and obviously like we're getting a jokes off, but it kind of kind of also sounds like he just wants to be in that perfect situation that we've been talking about him being in for the last six years where you actually do have somebody who can play make a little bit and but they still do need you as a score he it sounds like he wants to be a really good number two i think he's in that situation right now i think that is exactly what you're describing i like well i mean not really though because kawai doesn't play it sure him and james james is the ball handler he gets to do the wing stuff like i guess it the biggest

issue was their lack of role players after that trade which probably maybe that's what he means is they just need to everything said by these players is leverage at some extent right we know he's in contract negotiations I don't think he's saying this needs for no reason maybe he's signaling that they need to get those Batum guys back in the door and get them the help they need

so they're not necessarily the ones in charge of that and that's fair like he said he's getting up there in age he's like I'm two bones are getting creaky I get it it's just crazy because we just saw the team that win the championship be built off of wings in his position I'll be a younger but in his position as the top two players on the team be willing to buy in and do all this dirty work

and hard stuff that's the value of having these big wings that can do everything so it just looks a way that even if we know he doesn't necessarily mean it in the negative connotation we're giving it there's some underlying things there that we can look if we really think about what he's saying of course and i guess that's what shout it to jason tater man being being asked to go ahead and guard daniel gafford grab like eight nine rebounds a game you know do the dirty work Play meek and all that That's what makes champions Facts

Paul George will be looking at Derek White like You can fucking guard him I ain't doing that shit He told his hands up with Joe Zula Yeah We'll see Listen

He has interesting Free Agency coming up I'm assuming he's an opt-out Would be weird if he opted in Given his age And current contract situation We'll see man Maybe the most likely outcome

As he says of the Clippers But if they're not willing To offer them money It seems like they're being pretty hard lines dance on this he's the most interesting part of free agency for sure if they have to offer him a contract

if they don't then they completely fall off of the Western Conference standings I'm not going to say like they're not going to make the playoffs but that without Paul George they're definitely not a lock anymore considering like Cowais maybe they bring in yeah they're not they're not they're not they're not

they don't have Paul George they're not making the playoffs yeah well we'll see how many can be the West is a bloodbath. It's low. You're right. You're right. And there's, yeah. Yeah. So, all right. Tough. On to the next thing. We're going to do the main topic of this episode.

We're going to do a tier list of the last 25 NBA champions. Damn. Last year, when the playoffs ended, we did a ranking of the last 10 champions to kind of gauge where we view the nuggets amongst recent contenders. Felt that was too easy. We can't run that back. We got to up the ante every year. Now we're looking at the last 25 and we're going to do it into a tierless format, which I think when you have so many teams, it makes a little more sense since 1-225 is a hard ranking to do

when they're all champions. This kind of gives us a better idea of how these teams are compared to each other, I think. Welcome to the postseason. Welcome to the off season. The kicking off-season. Yeah, this is already peak off-season content. Yep.

After Labor Day, we were going to rank some shit and we're going to rank some shit often. Exactly. And we can get back to seeing who continuously has the worst rankings or a list in TD3. history. Last summer, ranking season's coming up.

I took that trophy away, but this summer, I'm staying far, far away from it. We'll see. How do you guys want to do this? Do you guys want to start with, okay, so first off,

let me say this. I think we should base this, based on how good the team is, like body of work, regular season and playoffs, how quality the team is, because they all won, right? So a team like the 2011 Mavs

is extremely impressive for who they beat in the finals, how they got there and whatnot, but like we know they're not quite as good as some of the other teams. So while they're an S tier impressiveness, I think we should lean more towards quality of teams since we're kind of trying to gauge us health things everybody. Yeah.

So when I was kind of like making the list, tier list, whatever in my head, the kind of thing where I was like, if we put all of these teams in a bracket and we're kind of like going like one by one and they have to play against each other, who would I actually trust in these series? So there's some no doubters that I think that we can start off with. So if it's okay with y'all, let's start off. 17 and 18 warriors are in S-tier.

I was going to say, do you want to do it that way or do you want to go chronic or order? Start for 2000 go up. I think we can get the no-douder's out the way real quick. Okay. So what's your no-d-d warriors? 17-18 warriors. Yeah, both both of the KD ones and 2001 Lakers. Those are all S-tier? Yes, easy. Okay. So obviously 2017 and 2001 S-tier. Do you want to put 18 there, even though they kind of were a little lax of day school, but we know they're still the same team. Yeah, I think the talent, the talent level that they have and the talent gap

between those two teams and everybody else's, it's just too much. Okay. I agree. Mo, do you have any other no doubters of any category? Um, like the LeBron fan, Amy wants to say, what about 2016?

But I don't know if they really are as tier. I think I'd lay off those conversations for now. For sure. But no doubters for sure are those three, and we can just like, if we find any throughout the cracks of this list, then we can put them in there. But for now, this is fine. Yeah. So 2016, that's a good example that emotionally storyline comparison, all this stuff,

very impressive to do what they did in the finals coming back, doesn't make them a higher quality team than somebody who wanted five, you know? For sure. Yeah, exactly. Do we want to use, okay, so the problem we always encountered these tier lists, and they're all good. so we always pack the top three tiers do we want to make use of this

truly and have an F tier team yes yes because I have several I have several damn who are your who are your locks for F tier and keep in mind these are all champions we are not slandering your favorite team somebody has to be in the bottom tier champions listen

okay 2006 heat F tier wow that's a that's a that's a that's a lock for me wait why are they a lock because listen this is obviously this is this is this is is weighed at like a crazy, crazy level. But you have like the last like solid year of Shaq.

And then after that you go into like Alanta morning. You have a very, very old Gary Payton, Jason Williams, all this kind of stuff. Their path wasn't crazy. They did have some some good wins like to get to the finals. But also I know it's just one year. But you look at what happens before. and after this team, there's not really a great body of work to show that, like, this quality of team and this nucleus is in all the time.

I know. This one, this one's very, this one's very hard. But even still, do you think that Gwen Wade, do you think that Dwayne Wade in like a B minus shack with Alonzo Morning is one of the best trios of the last 25 years? No one's saying that. It's probably, it's probably the worst. There were seventh in offense for the season. these are already

with season stats seventh in offense and 10th in defense most of these teams are top five in both or top five and one like have a truly elite thing

they were not truly elite either they were well-rounded but seventh in offense 10th in defense they only won 52 games right they were not a super high-seated team they won the championship

because Dwayne Wade went fucking ape shit in the conference finals and the finals he averaged 32 in the finals and he shot 60% from the field in the conference finals to be I think was the Pissons

in the conference finals so great In terms of individual runs, if we were ranking finals MVP's and the best players, Duane Way would be high. But the team isn't necessarily as good. So I think overall compared to everybody else on this list, they're pretty clearly on the bottom end.

They'd get smoked by everybody else on this list. Yeah. Somebody else who I thought how I realized is low on this list. Go ahead and put the 2006, Miami Heat down low. How do you guys feel about the 2021 bucks? I don't know that they're F tier. but I feel like they're D tier

I have a I have a similar I feel like it's similar what Yonis's run Buzerk One of the best individual runs We've seen in decades 35, 12 and 5

on 66% true shooting for the finals On one leg One of the best performances My eyes have ever seen In my life as a fan But as a team They were not daunting

They were fifth in offense For the year 9th in defense We know the 202 one season was a weird year with injury luck because it was after the shortened off season from the bubble and listen, Drew Holiday and Chris Middleton were like the only

playmakers outside of Yannis. The defense wasn't like first or second in the league like some of the other championship contenders on here. Again, they're all champions, but I feel like they're closer to the bottom of the top. Me personally, I want to put them higher than that. I'd want to put them at C just because

we witnessed some of the greatest plays of all time. through yonis and i'm only like pushing them because of yonis but i have to look at this holistically yonis isn't the fucking team even though he like prison even though he basically represented himself as that throughout the entirety of that series so i guess he's okay for now no i see yeah i'm going d for the bucks yeah i i think i think like because they are right at the edge of d and f for me just because like when you look at a lot of these other teams there is as you get to the top the top end talent and the nucleus that you have with duos and trios starts getting really really good

and Milwaukee has yonis but then the drop off between yonis and his second best player and that same kind of drop off with a lot of the other teams around this area it's kind of similar and so I have one for you guys that I have an F tier that kind of follows the same mode of really, really good star and then kind of just a bunch of guys. And that's why I have, guess, we're going down south. Just say the team. Dallas Mavericks? They are in FTA, but that's not who I'm talking about.

Okay. Oh, wait, I got it. Is it the Detroit Pissies? No. I'm talking about the 2022 Warriors. I agree. I was going to say that. Okay, so what I was going to say, I'm glad you said that.

I was going to say, let's throw two teams out there to set the top and the bottom, I think. 2015 Warriors and 22 warriors are the opposite experience of the team. I think 22 should either be F or D. And 2015, I know we like to make fun of them and say that the weakest team because we're looking in comparison at 17 and 18. I actually think 2015 is a tier. Eight year. Let's start, listen, let's start with 22 because I agree and we can get them out the way real quick. Yeah.

They followed the same structure as the Bucks, right? You have an all-time, all-time great player who had an all-time run. But the rest of the team after that, it's like you have Clay Thompson coming off of injuries. You have Jordan Poole. Andrew Wiggins ends up being the second best player on the team. Draymond Green had had his struggles. It's a very, very weird roster. Everything clicks together and they're an amazing team.

But they also had a lot of close calls. So I'm going to put them in F tier. 16th and offense, second in defense. 16th in offense, man Currie went ape shit Sillard Dwayne Wade They beat a Celtics team Who wasn't ready to be there

Matchup were terrible They got just neutered by the Warriors' defense Jason Tame and Jalen Brown Can I handle the pressure It worked out well But it's not one of the best teams here Yeah I'm noticing a pattern here

Like some of the greatest Playoff rises of all times seem to appear as like Cinderella type ones And that's what 2020 is And that's what 2006 is and what Yonis did back in 2021, like you said, off of a hyper-extended knee against the Atlanta Hawks. Yeah, 100%.

Pretty Cinderella on this. Exactly. Oftentimes, sometimes you'll see like a 01 shack on the Lakers where he's peak of his power's all-time great player, but also the team's great, so they just blow people out of the water. Sometimes you'll see those guys that their performance was so impressive because they weren't supposed to be there. And that lends to the team's not quite being as good as the other ones,

even though impressiveness is a different scale, they'd be much higher. exactly so how do you feel my 2015 because 2015 is the opposite they didn't have that all-time great player Curry was obviously Curry he won the MVP but he wasn't 2016 yet he took another leap after that

but this team I don't think people will realize how well rounded they are people forget because of the fact that they beat the calves in such an easy way because the calves got hurt so people will act like it's only because of that but they were second in offense

and first in defense for the year that is there's only two teams on this list that have been top two in both of them, we'll get to the other one soon. Second in offense, first in defense. Name many of these teams real quick don't. Name a random championship team. 2019 Raptors.

2019 Raptors were fifth in both. And they're also super well-rounded. So to be top two in both is absurd. The 2001 Lakers were first in defense, fifth in offense. Right? So first and fifth is like the parameter being top five in both. Top two in both is absurd. They were clicking on all cylinders and both sides of the ball,

all these guys that we know came into former 2016 1718 were so well-rounded they're very similar to the 2014 Spurs who I think we typically hold in higher regard because they beat LeBron in a healthy way so we kind of give them that narrative advantage in our head but I don't think the 2015 team is as weak

as people think it is I think the reason why a lot of people don't necessarily feel that way for real is because like obviously Steph Curry wasn't like the fully developed version of Steph Curry that we knew that he turned or that we later saw that he turned out to be and then like on top of that too it was before like they I guess right during that run they didn't feel like unstoppable even though like maybe I'm just doing revisionist history right now I have to do a lot of thinking for me I don't know why it just

feels because carrie and kettle of got hurt yeah well I don't I don't even think it's it's because well I think okay I do agree there is that aspect but there's been like throughout the whole warriors dynasty there's three versions of it you have 2015 and then you have the version where you compare them at their peak where it's instead of harrison barnes it's Kevin Durant and so then you go back to the first one and you're like oh like that one actually isn't that good like it's a nice story they clicked but they're not they're nowhere near where seven you know 17 and 18 is and even the one that they lost they're like they weren't even as good as the 2016 team that should have won the the title and did all that

stuff so throughout the first four years 2015 is loki like the weakest one yeah so that that's why that's why you can think of it that way but they if any of the team on here right wins the title is top two and both they are a tier i think for me a tier is probably going to be the biggest tier for me and i agree i agree you swayed me i had them at b coming in here but you swayed me so i'll put them in i'll say we'll see who else you put a they might move down to b because there is probably similar teams that maybe they have equal balance and really good teamwork but their star player is like ready

and can combat any elite defense is thrown his way. Curry wasn't really ready at that point yet to be that guy like he wasn't 2022. So maybe we can hold the star power against them. We'll see where the cheer list progresses but I think for now putting them A and setting the precedent of like

balanced teams that don't have a top five player all time at their peak can still be this good. I think it's really important. I agree. Okay. We're good with that. Mo, what do you want to go next? Mo, wait, real quick. Wait, before you say a name, let's keep Hayton.

Let's keep hating. Pick someone low. Pick a B or C first. We need somebody in the middle. We got to, let's say, you set the places. Okay, how do you guys feel? You need a good foundation for whatever you're building. We need a, what do you guys feel about the 2020 Lakers?

Okay. C or B? I don't know. I'm thinking. last year when we did this I think I ranked them higher than 2015 I've rethought that a little bit it's B or C

I don't think they're A I'm going B they're at the bottom of B for me that's fair LeBron A D the Star Power alone is really great their defense is third in the league that year 11th in offense

AD and LeBron both rose to the occasion LeBron's finals stats are ridiculous I think the playoff riser element to them and that we know LeBron's still basing his prime and you don't want to see LeBron in a series. I know I talked about like 2015.

We're not going to hold it against them because they don't have this guy that is like the star power difference. When you have a LeBron that, you know, that's kind of changes the rule book a little bit, you know? Yeah, I agree. I think like also people like to make fun of the bubble and it's like the whole Mickey Mouse championship.

For, in my opinion, this is one of the harder championships that has ever been run in terms of like a single year. people don't understand what starting and stopping in the middle of a season can do and how much of like your rhythm can be thrown off and the fact that the fact that you are fighting against that the fact that you still do have lebron at the uh in his prime and the fact that offensively and versatility wise you have anthony davis at his peak you have jump shooting anthony davis who is still elite defensively and can move all around the court in whichever way he wants, I would, I would put them in B.

You know, I don't know why, but it's so weird hearing that the 2015 Warriors were, are a better team than the 2020. They were. It's like, I see it. I guess it's an a hard part, right? It's just the peak hitter in me, bro. You know, it's not even hatering you.

It's hard. People, even us, nobody's immune to it, no matter how hard of a fan you are, are drawn to star power and biased by star power, but team basketball is important. and they were so well-rounded that we see LeBron AD as a top two being ridiculous that we're like, that's got to be higher, right? I want them in a playoff series.

Noted it, we've been like as first take piled in our brain to view the sport as an individual sport so we're like, I got to pick the two guys that are the best individuals but it's not really always that way. It's not always that way but in the sport of basketball

like the best individuals like, you know, that matters. There you go, you're still first take brain. That's what it is. No, it's just a game of basketball. It's not even about any other sport just the game of basketball. That's not the fucking Celtics

It's just quite literally Like they gave a basketball Like if you have a couple Super dominant players Who can somewhat play well off With each other It's fucking rap It's how it is bro

Can't say that about any other sport Any other sport Other than this one right here Steph Clay and Draymond are also those guys It's not even about Steph Clay and Draymond It's about Leandro Bubosa It's about Maurice Spates It's about Festusazili

Let's get really in the trenches David Lee was on that goddamn team bro Let's talk about it That's a good bench You won't talk about the Lakers bench in comparison. You got Rajon Rondo and Jared Dudley out there, Javelle McGee. Like we're not going against a firepower lead bench. Oh, listen, listen.

Playoff Rondo. Javell McHen's leadership. He did level love. Listen, Javelle McGee with leadership is kind of crazy. No, but I agree with you, Mo. I know what you're saying. I'm going to be. This is the hardest part.

This is why I said I could see us moving the 2015 Warriors down to B when it comes to it. Keep building it out. We'll revisit this one for sure. I already have my mind made up. We can keep on. Okay, where do you guys want to put Let's mix it Let's do a spurs team

Let's do the first one Where do you guys want to put The 2003 Spurs So I have before you became a star Yeah, 2003 they won 60 games We're third in defense And eighth in offense Duncan was the MVP

They beat the Nets in the finals Who I think rather met competition When compared to everybody else It was Monu's first year With the team He wasn't particularly relevant He didn't average more than 10 points For game in the series

And Robinson was there But he was old as fuck Yeah. So I'm putting this indeed. Because again, this is one of those things where the Spurs are asking the most of Tim Duncan. This is the series where he goes out and he gets robbed of a quadruple double in the finals. This is that entire run. And if you look at his numbers, it's like 23 and 15. It's something, something crazy like that throughout the year. But again, Manu, the way that we know the Spurs is not this version. This is. 100%. If there was ever a time where people were looking at Tim Duncan and be like, all right, well, you know, you got to put the team on your back and do it. This is that version. This is that title for him.

And so they, this also, listen, everybody from like 2003 to 2008, 2008, 2009, like these four or five years, spoiler alert, you're going to be kind of low on my team. This is the dead ball era. These offenses are atrocious. And so when I think about you playing other teams that have won championships, you're probably going to lose because you just can't score like that. Yeah, well, I think because we have to look at them in relation to the rest of the league at the time, just to keep it a little bit balanced because it's not exactly a versus competition.

So I think to offset that, we've got to kind of look at the rest of the league. But even then, eighth and offense isn't something in the league. I'll give them. Listen, if we were ranking them, like, I'll give them credit because they were, like, 03, they were at the top of the league in terms of like three point attempts. Like they were as modern as you can get. But again, I told you my time. Yeah.

Listen, I told you my tiebreaker when I'm looking at all these teams, it's like, all right, at the end of the day, if I put the 03 spurs in a series against the 07 spurs or against the 05 spurs, which one do I think would win? It would probably be those later teams. And so I think that this is the worst one of the 2000s run. Okay, so we put them D. So it's another similar team that won with defense.

where do we want to put the 2008 Celtics who were 11th in offense first in defense but first in defense by not just like a normal first in defense like some teams by a wide ass margin they were like three points better than the second place Tom Tibito's defense and the heavy rotations

and helping the helper and all this stuff that he really prioritized and really revolutionized the way we play defense in the league was monumental this time I'm feeling a good B or C I might lean towards C I don't know

I'm going to be I don't know I might lean start to be actually. Again, not a strong offensive team, but you don't got to be when you're one of the best defenses of all time, truly. And even though the offense wasn't terribly strong because they started goddamn Kendrick Perkins and Kevin Garnett together, they do have enough shot making

for that era that they weren't like inept, right? Honestly, that's the same thing with the Lakers who were 11th in offense, but they were 3rd in defense. So it's like the same level offense, but with top three all-time defense. I'm going to be. I'm going to be because they also like have because they have especially for for their era

they have like the star power that we you know that that we gravitate to you have true you have you have you have Kim and garnett you have Ray Allen you have Paul Pierce like those three guys those three guys and baby Rondo who's still able to you know to manage and navigate and facilitate the team which do his Rasmitas exactly so I'm going to be yeah I'm cool with that there LeBron and AD are a better offensive duo I think than theirs but they had the better defense make up for it so it's similar level teams

one has one of the best defenses of all time to give them the ledge one has best player of all time damn dear at his peak to give him the edge like that's a nice balance I think cool okay I like that all right Mo pick a team now Mo we think I've been dying to talk about the 2004 pistons and I want to know

where you all want to put them I bet you can put them in D they're a hard one because again the difference between impressiveness and like clout versus how good they are you don't want to be the guy to slanted the pistons because they're so cool and such a good story but they're fucking F you said that as if like Rashid Wals is going to come out of your closet and beat you over there with a break no I mean listen they were 19th in offense that year 19th that's the worst offense we're going to see in this list and they were second in defense at the spurs which you know they weren't first but that's just because

we had two all-time defense in the league that year and they just beat the shit out of a team the Lakers who weren't top five in either category and shouldn't have been there. They were just there because Kobe and Shaq held that team together on their back while it was falling apart and it was just the perfect storm

for them to go outside against a team who was just, we know everything about the Pistons right. They're punching the mouth, gritty, gonna want it more against a team full of divas who weren't supposed to be there. It was a perfect storm for them to get where they were good for them and made the finals again next year.

Somebody's got to be at the bottom. The offense was just so atrocious. Are you telling me this, this was the worst NBA finals offense I've seen in the last 25 years? Oh, quite easily. Yeah, I mean, yeah. The next lowest one is 2022, which is also F tier. He did the 16th offense.

After that, I wrote them all down before we started. There's nobody else below 15th, just those two teams. Yep. Listen, sorry, sorry, sorry pistons. There's a lot of elite defenses on this team. Most of them have good offenses, too. Yeah. This is why we say defense wins this championships, bro.

That's literally my biggest takeaway when going writing this all down. There's so many top three defenses on this list. It's crazy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Who do you want to pick next? All right, Donovan, your turn. Who are we going next?

We're doing the Celtics last, right? This year's? Sure. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know we were doing that. But, okay. Let's go with the 2019 Raptors. so it's b or c right

absolutely and i kind of want to lean towards the upper half b yeah me too i this team has tough okay this team has depth bro a fuck ton of depth are we assuming everybody's fully healthy or are we looking at what actually happened because if everybody's fully healthy and it's kawai fully healthy like you know he wasn't healthy for the finals easily be i think and o g wasn't for the finals either

okay i think we can't talk about assuming what's like, you know, the, we can't talk about what actually happened because then I'd have a conversation about the 2015 Warriors, you know, like Cairo was there, Kevin Love was there. But I'm just talking about the quality team and what they actually did.

Well, yeah, I'm putting out the lawyers in the movie screen. We saw them in the regular season when they're fully healthy, is what I'm saying? So we've seen this team be healthy before and seen they be dominant. They just weren't in the playoffs, but they still got it done regardless. But we know that if OG was healthy

and if Kauai was healthy, we'd think about them an even better way. So that makes you think we should give them the B because they did this without being fully 100% like the war in the regular season. I'm going to be. Yeah, I'm going B anyways, just because I think that this is the one or, this is the one year where we were able to get like healthy Kauai at the peak of his powers.

And he led a team to a title all the, all the way through. And after years of being unc clutch, Kyle Lowry came through, Fred Van Blee stepped up. Like you have a lot of people in this specific. year that rose to the occasion all year long and and their their defense and they're like you guys talked talked about their depth their versatility on defense I also the coaching advantage that they have with with Nick Nurse and just how crazy and madmanaged that he was able to be yeah I would put them in B yeah bro they made a last minute trade for marcosal that year they had Jonas Valentin stone that roster they said this dude got cement as fucking feet we got to get his

ass out of here for one of the better rim protectors and just defensive minds as a big man that they could get traded away Jonas Valentinus and whatever else assets for marcosol shirt up that front line with sergey baca and then of course dude pascal siacum was a baby there still too man they were so deep yeah yeah let's go be what do you want to do with the 2000 and 2002 lakers donovan i feel like you're the best expert on this time period how do you differentiate them from the 2001 because 2000 I know was 2000 was Kobe's first all-star year

and he wasn't Kobe Kobe yet like 22 points per game so it wasn't like 2001 where their peak of the powers both damn near 30 does that make them A for you and what about how do you feel in 2002 because I don't have a strong feel on that one? So I have 2002 in a tier as well

and yeah so 2000 is weird because 2000 Kobe like you said Kobe isn't necessarily Kobe at that time but of the of the three Pete that's their best record like they won 67 games that year and so team wise that is and just getting it done that is the best team but then when we talk about 2001 they're the ones who have the the crazy playoff run and so we value that a lot and they also you know like Kobe elevates and does all the thing so I would have 2002 if we were ranking them I would have 2002 over 2000

2000, like, personally, I kind of want to have them in B just because you didn't see that elevation from Kobe as like a legitimate top five talent in, in the league the same way they was for 01 and 02, but they won 67 games and it's still shack at the, at the peak of his power. So they both can be A if we want to. Yeah, I think so too. Best defense in the league, fifth in offense. Yeah.

They're more similar to the 2015 Spurs, in 2015 Warriors, where it's just more well-rounded, but around their one star who was the hierarchy was very clear that year and in 2001 you got that perfect balance you know we saw in late 2004 kind of the balance fell out and that's why the team kind of led to what happened there but at that point it was the superstar one of the best players of all time at his peak and his sidekick and that's a formula that works pretty well if you look at like shacks finals right like year by year and what he was doing in the 2000 finals it's absolutely ridiculous. Like, he averages 38 and 17 in the finals. That is stupid as hell. It's, it's dumb. It's, it's, it's, it's dumb. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it really doesn't matter who you're saying. It, it doesn't matter who your second guy is. If they are competent enough to be even like a lower level all star 20 through 24 and you have 40 and 20 as you're as your starting center. Yeah, you guys can be a. Okay. Let's also, so now that we have all the Lakers there from the, era. Let's do all the spurs. We have

2003 and D. I think 2007 is clearly A. We have Monu and Tony Parker's nuclear powers. They're all three of them are clicking when they're all truly stars. 07 is the easiest eight in the world to me. They beat the living shit out of LeBron. It was a bloodbath. You never said a chance. Where does 2005 go? I also

have 2005 just like a notch above 2003. Like I would still, I would still have a D because you start to see a little bit of Manu come come into his own. You see Tony like they are not all the way there and this is still probably the very end of Tim Duncan and you asking him like hey we need you to absolutely be the best player

offensively and defensively and do all this stuff and 2000 is actually see really because they're first in defense they're first in defense by a wide margin this year they went from third in 2003 to first this is like they're the reason that 04 05 pistons weren't first in defense How much better than the rest of the league are they in 2005? I'll pull it back up. But they were first in defense, eighth in offense. Monu started every game this year. And it's the one year he made an All-Star because of that.

He hadn't gone to the bench. And that makes a big difference. It was the year before Tony Parker made his first All-Star. So, no, that's what separates it from 2007. It was when they were all-clicking. But, you know, they had two All-Stars. Monu was Manu. Their defense was 98.

Wait, which year am I looking at? Oh, this is playoffs. Oops. Their defense was 99. 97.8 was their defensive rating. Everybody else was 99 or 100. So they're two points better than everybody else. 2.5 points better.

That may not seem like a lot, but 2.5 points is quite a good amount to be better than the second place in the league. Okay. Is that good enough to put them in C though? Well, nobody's in C, so I feel like... I know. We have an issue.

Every single time we have a tear. Some shit like this happens. Listen, they're better than 03. They're not as good as 07. C it is. we just want to make them 50 so so bad okay yeah I just thought they make sense to see let's put somebody there so we have some to measure against I'm trying to correct our issue we always have a tier list where we forget a tier and just like there's nobody to set a line

there we got to set a benchmark for what every tier looks like we need to go to therapy is what it sounds like you know who else I think is see 2023 nuggets Really? I think they're either C or D, but I think they're better than the team's a D, so I'm going to go C. I tooled off them a little bit from last year. Actually, I don't think I did either, because I think I put 2020. I had them in 2020 as like neck and neck. Now, now I'm looking back historically, I think they're a notch below.

I think this is a year more similar to 2021, where Yokic was on demon time and just God mode, carry them and blew the doors off everybody in the league. but it was Yokic and a bunch of high-end role players there's no stars I don't Jamal Murray play like a star in the playoffs he is Jaman Murray

there's a reason he's never an all-star they are clicking around him perfectly to the highest degree but the star power is really lacking in comparison to everybody else and they're fifth in offense 15th in defense not as not particularly impressive

compared to everything else I've said so far right that recency bias is kicking me right now because I want I want to put them be like you look at a lot of these teams and you're like hey if they have if you if you have a guy that at the time you legitimately can be like that's the best playing in the world like 20 2020 23 yokage we were able to see him last year and be like no he's the he's the one he has ascended and it's also the best defense that he's ever played he's able to be a competent defender when you have that level of offensive creation and again you might be able to say yeah jamal murray jemal murray there's a reason why he's never

been an all-star he consistently rises to the occasion so everything that he did last year i don't really have a reason to think that that's not who he is and for sure their depth their depth the depth is is great everybody everybody clicks everybody fits i would have them neck and neck with 2020 everything you're saying applies to the 2021 bucks as well everything you're saying applies to the bucks and there's a reason you get them at d do you think that we should put them in d no no i think they're a little bit better i think they have the offensive firepower and they so the problem is i said they're fifth offense i just think but they are playoff risers but they have playoff risers for sure

so they don't have the consistency of some of the teams above them i think regular season matters i'm not looking at just playoffs i think we need to see body of work because like we said playoff risers happen and they get the perfect run but it's not representative of who they are for like you know a large sample size it seems at a really hot month and they are that but i think their playoff rising is a little bit more than luck it's that's kind of how they're built yokech is a rather i'm gonna get by in the regular season that i'm gonna beat the shade of you at the end i need to so i think it's more of part of the formula not luck like some other teams might be i'm gonna be man i no that's that recent bias kicking your own

21 listen 21 is there's a reason why I have it in indeed but that's also because 21 is just a stupid year in the NBA like they started too quickly everybody was hurt it's it's a dumb year it it really is 23 is bro I can't do it I can't I can't do it I'll go see I'll go see I'll go see I'll see I never said D I never said D C I don't think D for a second but Mo you can be okay oh Mo it said D my bad I'm fine yeah I actually I actually if D should be more in the play, but I can, I can vibe with C for sure. Like, taking all my emotion. That kind of hurts. See what this team for what it really is. All the role players locking in Jamal Murray being looking like a top 10 point guard in the NBA once the finals hit. And then, of course, like Aaron Gordon being the perfect for to put around him with all the connective things that he does. Like this team was dominant. But if we're looking at it, like it from a full body of work standpoint this team was so lackadaisical uh they had their ups and downs

like crazy was the entirety not the entirety of the season but towards the backout for the season i guess is the tendency with championship teams but we see it more i feel like we see it more than ever with them specifically no i know what you're saying the yokes lost the MVP remember because they and the laugh half they locked up the one seed and they were kind of just cruising and that wasn't that doesn't really matter but that's why people feel like no so let me say this again you said they locked in John Murray locked in the perfect time

this team is the definition to lock in their definition of get there they knew that to get to the playoff, stay healthy coast to end

the season so they can lock in sit up grab their controller and get close to the TV that's the definition of who this team was which isn't a bad thing

at all again a lot of these teams rose the occasion that's why you get an NBA history but some of the other teams were just like that forever and didn't necessarily

have to have that level up and it makes their body work a little better Denver had a bad two week stretch and Kendrick Perkins thought he was out sharp and then now everybody and then now the MVP goes to goes to joel and be like that's not the point i'm

just i'm just saying like they they made their run throughout the playoffs was fairly easy right they had it they swept the lakers and even when you thought that anthony davis was going to be the best option to guard nikolioch he fries him right the warriors they they beat them in five devon book i to shoot 80% for back to back games i don't disagree for that i'm just saying I'm just saying like I everything you're describing is yokech not the nuggets no but like no but like but what you're saying about oh their team that like kind of cruised and then just sat up they were good the entire year and it was like or bad it was like it was like a bad stretch or whatever but like again that's not my point at all that's in March in March that's something that you often

say is fake basketball like once we once we get to to the end like it's kind of weird I think that they are when you have that and this is where for me like the the high end talent kicks in. I think that Nicole Iokic in 2023 is kind of up there in like the best single season, the best like players that we've ever seen. And so when you ask me about him versus, versus somebody else, like I would take, would I take them over the 2019 Raptors? Probably. Like, I think I might trust Yokic more than 2019. I think it's a conversation. I agree. I agree. So 2019 is a good precedent because I was to say, if you're doing high in talent, LeBron and AD is two superstars. We know what the Celtics had. If you want to compare it to 2019, that's a good

precedent because they have one superstar and a bunch of really good players. But Kyle Lowry, Marcusol, Pascal is a little bit better, a little bit more talented. And plus they have ridiculous depth, which kind of puts it apart. It really is Yokic and a cast that around him would be mid as fuck, but Yokic is perfectly built to make them rise. They're perfectly built to Yokish's game. They're not the most talented team in the world. They're just an extremely good team because they fit. Like even 2015, they're there because of the same, the kind of the same thing where they fit it's not necessarily high in talent even them dinging them for that they still have three all-stars you know it's still a little bit of a

different different world we're operating in all right we'll put them in C let's let's keep moving we have like what like 10 more teams to get through yeah we're actually we're getting there not too bad we got plenty of time moving along kind of I'm proud of us I'm proud of us. Look at us. I know what's a next time? All right. Where do you guys want to put the 2010 Lakers?

What are the difference between 9 and 10 do you? So 2009 is the better team. 2009 is the team that was like that's the year coming off of coming off of the beat down against the Celtics. They were better. They had

had like a couple tests, but it wasn't really like, you know, like for real test. 2010, the road through the playoffs was a little bit harder. Like they got a little bit poked by the Thunder in the first round. They needed a really, really clutch performance by Kobe and some game winners in the conference finals against the Sons, had to go to a game seven against Boston. It just felt like every step of the way, they were one play away from the series completely changing. And 2009, there was just a little bit more dominance there. So I would go, I would have 2010 in D and I would have 2009 in C. I have no real issue with that. What do you think,

Mo? Um, you said you want to put 2010 in D? Yeah. Yeah, the nine and C. I have a hard time engaging in these Lakers teams and everybody else. At the time, they were considered a very good deep team with a good supporting cast. I think sort of similar

to 2020 Lakers and where they had their superstar, they had their secondary star. I think AD's a little better than Powell, but same type of thing. Great big to play off their star as a well-rounded supporting cast

that wasn't necessarily star-studded but was a lot of good high-end role players. That's kind of how they reviewed at the same time. I have a hard time because I was just getting into basketball and it's hard to have a strong feel

for those role players at the time looking back and those guys didn't have great careers after that you know Shannon Brown didn't like light up the league for a few more years so I have a hard time gauging just how good the supporting cast was shout out Shannon Brown bro yeah I'll rock it to you I'm with it uh yeah like looking at it now those are like those are like those are the one of my most early in very few moments and like very few prime memories of like the Lamar Odom days and shit like that and Derek Fisher was doing his thing back then to being a sniper to those standards back then I like you said I don't feel as I don't

feel the like ultra connectivity behind Kobe and pal with all those role players like shout out to Luke Wall and them boys and um Andrew Brian but I don't know about Sasha Chavuyich, man. I love, look, exactly. The 2009-2010 team, those were the teams that are like really, really, I remember being like, obviously, like, Kobe's my guy. I was buying back-to-back championship t-shirts. Like, there was a, there was a time where I was supporting the Lakers because of the Kobe.

Yeah, I was a young Lakers fan, but I was also fucking 10 years old. Exactly. I try to, I think most people don't realize that these memories they have of these teams. They were children and your thoughts and analysis of the team back then doesn't matter because you were in the fifth grade. So I'm like, sure, I thought they were sick, but like, I don't know. I didn't know anything in the fifth grade. Like, yeah, like, bro, like I was watching them every night.

He's like, all right, like, you're not, shut the fuck up. You're doing time stables. And yeah, I don't know, like just realized that Andrew Biden was like 15 and eight, bro, that year. That's crazy. No, Andrew Biden was good before the injury. And I don't know, sometimes 12. No, it is too. Like, a lot of these teams we weren't around for.

But over the years of being really in a bad, you do your research and you learn about these past teams. For some reason these two Lakers teams kind of just get like lost by in history that they aren't often talked about so I haven't learned quite as much about them as I have like the Spurs teams, you know? I don't know why that is. Yeah. I don't know what I'm putting them at C personally. Yeah, I'll go see.

Okay. Let's do 2012 and 2013 Miami Heat. The 2012 heat were sixth in offense, 12th in defense, no Ray Allen, and hadn't quite moved to small ball quite as much yet. They started to center all the full-time, Chris Bosch's power forward. 2013 is when they won, was it 27 straight games? Yeah.

First and offense, ninth in defense. We saw the full might of Eric Spolcher with the big three at the peak of their powers. 2013 was a better team. What is that, do? Okay, I'll say this first. I think 2013 is A. Is that fair? I agree.

That's fair. No less than A. I was going to say that. I agree. Does 2012 also deserve A? No. They don't. They deserve B.

Yes. They could deserve B. There's a pretty, so here's the thing. They won back to back. I think there's a pretty big difference in quality between these teams. I think 2013 is like significantly better to the point where I don't think it'd be crazy to go like A and C. I think 2012 it was just like, I think 2012 was just like round peg, square hole, punching it in, but they happened to get it done because LeBron was the best player of all time at his peak.

But I don't think, no, a lot of people have a sort of hot take where they're like, listen, those heat teams weren't as good as you thought they were when you look back at it. they're talking about 2012 that team was not spectacular as a team they were just obviously immensely talented you had LeBron James you had a great coach

you had Dwayne Wade and they made it work against a young team that again a lot of young teams losing the finals for something to get there 2013 is when they were legitimately an all-time great team

I think I think C's 2012 is kind of mid never in all my years of life that I sit here and think that you'd be disrespecting Shane Badi just like this bro I love Shane Bady

I fucking love Shane Bady birthday night i love shame baddie i just don't love uh what was the center's name was a joel anthony yep yeah oh my god shout out joan anthony yeah i think it's a b i think it's b okay whatever yeah i just listen we we get lebron fully stepping into lebron james as we know him and i think part of the reason that they were able to bang this square peg into a round hole is because LeBron is just that good and like if you if you told me that they are going up against 2019 like at the end of the day they can still out talent everybody and they still did follow the formula that helped LeBron throughout the rest of their career they still had shooting they

still had they still had drivers you had you had Chris Bosch yeah they hadn't leaned in all the way that's why they're not as good as 2013 But having those three guys and being able to play defense the way that they did, like for 2012 and 2013, both of them had this, like, defensive switch where for like five to six minutes in a game, they really could wreck it. It wasn't as consistent as the all-time great defenses. But if they-lebron teams like that, though. Exactly. But like if they sat up, then it's like, okay, we're here. So I think they still belong in B.

They spread their shoulders, smack the hardwood. It's so tough. Yeah. Yeah. So. That's hilarious, bro. I'm with that I agree

2011 interesting team along the lines the teams towards the bottom where it's a team that isn't necessarily the highest quality in the regular season

9th in offense 10th in defense pretty mid in comparison but they also managed to win 57 games which I was telling you before we start recording I'm looking back at their stats

again 9th and offense 10th and defense they weren't at the top of the league and turnovers forced they weren't at the bottom of the league in turnovers given up they weren't at the top of the league offensive rebounds.

I don't know what made this team so fucking good, but they managed to win 57 games despite being just good, not great in both offense and defense. Yeah, man, it's amazing. It's crazy that they're an F tier too. This is wild. Shout out, Dirk.

You gave LeBron the biggest black eye on his resume that any goat could imagine. You're comparing you to all the other greatest teams of the modern NBA. It's hard to put it much higher than D. They are not sniffing D tier. This is an F tier final. Oh, you're passionate.

about this I will okay they're not sniffing D tier are you serious no they can sniff it a little bit they can get a whiff like a like a cartoon pie in the air if they're going if you y'all are disgusting if you if you are going purely based off of the run that they had they're they're a tier right their s tier because the run that they had was crazy but again like Jason Terry is the second best player or like Tyson Chandler like is it's okay it's fine watch that's Jason kid no this is this is

the Neptune team it's like 2021 2022 where their star players run is so fucking impressive because the team is so low on this list like moved heaven on it it's crazy so it sounds like one of those Cinderella runs okay

breaking news free agent guard Malik Monkintenses on a four year deal to return to the Sacramento Kings what no four years 78 million dollar deal RIP the Orlando Magic's Dreams. Shout out the Kings for bringing their guy back. What?

Four years, $70 million. Okay, okay. Good for Sacramento. Need another piece. But shout out to them. Shout out to them. Because I for sure, I for sure was, I thought Malik was out of there and I was ready to kick them out of the playoff picture.

But okay. Okay. Listen, they're mad. We don't like him very much as a team, like in terms of like where you predict they're going to be next year. But you got to keep your guy. It's just good asset management to you find this dominant in the rough. You nurture him to being a really high-level starter. And you don't want to lose that for nothing.

It would look really bad from management perspective. So even if this team goes nowhere fast, you have him long-term. It could eventually be a trade piece. Losing him for nothing is a disaster. Team chemistry plus 20. Yeah, this is great. I know Deerrin Fox is doing a duggy right now for sure, man. He's happy as hell he has.

Kevin Herder. Your days are numbered. Oh, for sure. Kevin Hurdy. For sure. Yikes, man. Yeah, get ready to speak some other team. You get ready to speak Orlando Magic, actually.

Or maybe Golden State Warriors. I wanted the... Orlando would be nice. Sacramento Kings to go ahead and make a trade for Zach Levine. I had that dream since, like, 223 in September, bro. They got Zach Levine at home, and they just gave him $78 million. He doesn't get hurt. Zach Levina at home.

Low-key, not that different of players, honestly. I mean, listen, Zach Levine. All right. Let's slow on. Let's slow down. Let's go out. But in terms of all of players, but in terms of players, They're not that different in terms of athletic guards We can attack the rim

High-level shooting pass a little bit Not giving much on defense They're not that different archetypes I think they're different teams They are different too Some similar archetype Huh Listen

The old days are no longer these days For Zach Levine It has been a while since that Zach Levine you're describing As walk through these doors I think Zach Levine is an explosive offensive player just like Malik Monk But I think he has

Consistencies in this game that just seem unstoppable at times. Seem-unshould unstoppable, but not unstoppable. Not unstoppable. Like, listen, he's good. No, he's Zach Levine and unstoppable. No, for the same sentence.

Oh, that's, relax, relax, relax, relax. That's the, I think is worse. Let's get back to this list. Yeah. Shout out, shout out Sacramento. Like the beam. Back to this list. Oh, see, we have three teams left.

14, 16, and 24. 24. 24th, 14, spurs. We love them Everybody loved them The beautiful game One of the best ball moving teams you've ever seen One with complete balance and teamwork

With zero superstars In the same way 2015 did But I think Steph Curry is even better Than their best players were Less star power than 2015 I'll say that Do they still deserve A And is this something we have to detach

From the fact that they beat the Miami Heat Fifth and offense Fourth and defense by the way So similar I mean, listen, they still are... To the 2019 Raptors. Top five in both, though? Yeah, which is great.

Which is great. This is so hard. This is so hard. Okay, so look at this. 2007 is A and 2019 is B. These are the two most similar teams. 2007 has the maybe the best interior defender of all time

at the Pigs' Powers and two all-star caliber guards. 2019 is more team-oriented. Do you feel like at the diminished state of Tim Duncan imagine nobody in tony parker's career with a young kawai which is one of those teams are they closer to i think the team with boris d al uh really moves me so i think i'm going 2014 in a i'm okay with that let me meet the heat horn hey yeah i'm fine with that i'm not gonna

argue that down now they are i'm i'm gonna be real they are getting massive massive oral points because the highlights of them moving the ball around right it's it's amazing right you have a nickname after your team. So that alone is like, hey, maybe they were better than I remember. So I'll give them a. I'll give them respect. Well, what do you think? I don't want to be the one to have to argue against 2014 spurs, but I'll go wherever you go, Mo.

Do you want to? This team was hella deep, man. This team was hell of deep. This is the Tiago Splitter days, the Marco Ben, Bellinelli days, Patty, like Prime Patty Mills. Let's go. Prime Patty Mills is a problem. you're all laughing but i mean it's real shit for real they really don't know they'll never know yeah this this team was seriously they don't know about that he's moved they don't they don't

they don't know a damn thing they're daddy green too okay here's a okay so if you're going them a let's rest this list i think 16 and 20 16's a right yes 2016 definitely should be a this yeah we're down to the Celtics I think they are the exact same teams as the 2014 spurs and the 2015 Warriors

I think they're also a tier I think it is just pure balance and domination from a top-down perspective they have the same assist

percentage actually through four games they had the same assist percentage as the 2014 spurs did don't know if that changed in the in the playoffs that is

top one offense in the league which is the highest offensive rating of all time which is more about the league trends but best offense in the league and number two defense only replicated by the 2015 Warriors

now I have some say that the Warriors top end talent of Curry, Clay, and Draymond is better but it's hard to argue against what the Celtics have one through six and Joe Mizzou proved to be an elite coach and their bench pieces that we had a little bit doubts about proved to be good enough

and they beat the living shit out of everybody in their path zero resistance I how do we put them below A bro I have some stats to read off, okay? Let me hear more. The longest losing streak of this season of this season for them, the entirety of the year, was two games. They have an NBA record of 17, 25 point wins, 10, 30 point wins, and 3 50 point wins.

What? That is disgusting. They have the fifth best scoring margin in NBA history of 11.3,4 points. that is disgusting. They scored the second most points in the entirety of an NBA season. That is absolutely again. Oh, in threes, in threes specifically.

That is, they meet the second most threes. Disgusting. Dude, this is one of the best teams of all time, and I get it. We fuck Boston to everybody till the day they die. I understand it. Nobody likes Boston. Nobody likes Jason Tatum.

I understand. Nobody wants to root for them or give them props because they had an easy run. It was boring. Yada, yada. All of that can be true, and they can also be unequivocally true that this is one of the best, most dominant teams of all time. You look at them in relation to league around them.

You look at them in relation to all these other teams and a top-down, fully viewed roster construction perspective, not just top-end talent bias, not just iconic moment bias. Everything brought in. There's no argument from them being less than A to me. Yeah, okay. You're very quiet. Yeah.

The hater name is just fucking shaking right now. I am. I don't, I've had a very hard time thinking about this team in a historical context for the last couple of days because they, they operate on both sides of the coin where, like, statistically, and you watch them and it's just like, you know, like, how do you stop these guys? Like, they are dominant. But I just don't feel like they are an all-time team. However, everything that you guys said for the regular season and the fact that they were, what, six, or what, 12 and two, yeah, 12 and two going into the finals. And Christop's sports ingest, it's two series. This is a team that we've praised.

This is a team that we've praised all year long for having the best top end depth. And they were starting a 38-year-old and playing him 40 minutes a night because they didn't have their start. starting center and they were still able to only lose two games through the first three rounds this is an a tier this is the dominant team and so we have to give them their respect now this is also a team that is the sum is greater than its parts so we want to have if we want to have Jaylon Brown conversation Jason Tatum conversations we can have those but when you put everybody together you can't mess with these guys they exactly not this year not this all the arguments are against their

stars, which are valid. Listen, their stars aren't as good as some of these other teams. Cool, true. You can, if you want to hold it against them at that injury luck, that their teams they face weren't particularly good, I'm with you. The Pacers are not a typical conference finals caliber team. That's fine. That is also true. Another true thing, another, another, another truth here is they beat the living piss out of those teams. If they would have struggled and like got pushed to seven by some mid or whatever, then they're like, they're not serious, they don't deserve it. They pulverize these teams that they should have pulverized. And at the day you want to be upset that they had the opportunity to face mid you can be upset about it but

you can't hold it against them when they win in the fashion that you want them to that you that they should given the caliber of the team they are yeah and yeah and also they've they've done they did along the way they did the things that we didn't think that that they could so like in the indiana series they had two wins when they had to come back granted it's indiana but also you're in the east of conference finals games are going to be crazy you're going to have to win those games and they were on the road down 15, 18 points, and they came back and they won. Where in years past, they probably lose those games, right?

At least one of them. Yeah. Even in the finals, they blow the lead, right, at the end of the game. How many times have we seen Boston choke these games away down the stretch? And this is the reason why we're saying, oh, yeah, we can't trust them to win the title because they can't close out these games. Guess what? They did it in game three.

So all the crunch time concerns, which was the number one thing that, that was an issue for me they addressed all of them and so i can't you can't say anything about them as a team in 2023 or 2024 yeah i absolutely agree um every single one of these teams like okay first question when was last time we saw a team this dominant in recent history well let's look at 17 18 17 18 17 18 i would go to say like maybe 2019 2019 healthy warriors healthy warriors and even in that year

I remember vividly like that Warriors team was fighting for their lives in the first round against the Los Angeles Clippers y'all remember when Patrick Beverly was like for their lives

no they lost two games they lost two games they're playing for their lives in 16 I know my point is like every single one of these teams no matter like how yeah powerful they are towards the tippy top obviously the warriors are like quite literally that

they go through it here and there and we didn't even see the Boston Stelps have to have to go through that and when they did go through that it was against the Dallas Mavericks and it was only a singular game where they got blown by 40 yeah they hardly sweated that was a blowout they threw in the towel like we'll come back next game like that happens hardly sweated we, if anybody in the world is willing to criticize

the Boston Celtics over the last three years, it is us. We've been up here and said all the criticisms you could possibly imagine about the way they play, the flaws of their stars, the flaws of their coach, the flaws of their supporting cast, all of it. We have been as loud about it as possible, and they answered every single question we could have possibly had in criticism we could have possibly had.

We said, listen, I don't know if they can win in the finals because they're going to play a better player who could probably, I'll execute them in the fourth. We were talking about Yokic. you could argue the same thing about Luca they out-executed the shit out of Luca they shut them down defensively found every single flaw

of the Mavericks prayed on it offensively they played their game didn't try to get into a pissing contest where their best players tried to do too much played their game slap everybody down like they answered everything good for them

good for them all right listen I think I think we did a pretty good job here I'm not going to lie. Me too. People are getting upset about 2015 a little bit. I get that.

They're going to be, what else? I don't see, I don't think any of this is that controversial. I think we'll find a way to get yelled at, but I don't think this is anything insane on here. There's no real hot takes, I don't think. I think we'll probably get yelled at for 2012,

to be honest. I don't know. And they're just, maybe. We're also going to get yelled at for 2024 because, again, fuck Boston for everybody. I understand that.

I'll eat that. That's fine. Oh, no, no, no, putting all of the fucking hero ball guys in d and f like 2011 they're gonna hate that in 2020 oh they're gonna hate that yeah but that's only we all know why they're gonna hate that because yeah it's literally the love of the game bro they probably quite real tears like like everyone else and they were probably in shock when these teams when i get it they did i and i get it yeah if you

want to value the individual excellence and impressiveness of a run more by on your list by all means go ahead as like the objective of this list to not fall into those emotional traps but if you're willing if you don't want to do that go ahead put them higher I have no problem with it yeah like if this was like a tier list about like the most

impressive NBA championship like all those guys in F tier would probably be an S tier quite literally but it's not about in this list it would be inverted 2018 would be F that's just not impressive at all yeah exactly

exactly I agree oh there you go man that's the tier list I think it's time to bring in the producer of the show it's time for Producer Corner Oh This nasty to kill, Ty let's get nasty

What are we doing now Nasty to kill Welcome to producer corner y'all Yeah Say that with your chest I'll say this Exactly You don't talk like

Beyond So welcome back What I'm about What I'm on that to say is going to, I need to say this with my chest. Welcome to producer corner y'all. Yeah. We need a button. As you guys know, listen, yesterday, June 19th, TD3 Productions took the day off.

Okay? We honored a federal holiday. Mo Donovan. Happy Juneteenth. Okay, that's, I want to get that out of the way. I hope y'all celebrated. What did you do to celebrate June 10? Why did you pull out another tear?

Just the, never mind. I knew exactly what you're going to say. Isaac, you can finish that sentence, you know? Don't say it. You're the worst person in the world. Donovan Moe, I hope you all had a good June team. All right, we got that out of the way. Isaac, tell the podcast and the viewers how you celebrated Juneteenth.

Man, I can say something nuts. No, you celebrated it well, actually. You're not going to lie. You had a time of your life. Talk about what I want you Yeah, you actually did. Yeah, I just heard I was just in the building

while we tied up Drake, we hogtied him we threw him on the stage and you publicly stoned him. Hogtah. This man went to a Kendrick Lamar. Life fishing experience like

I mean that was like a generational performance you witnessed like tell us everything man. You saw LeBron. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Let me tell you guys and everything else.

So yeah, like he's saying, I went to the Kendra Popout concert in L.A. You know, you guys have seen it all over the internet. it was a big L.A. unity thing of all these L.A. rappers coming together and doing all the Drake diss songs at the end and everything. People performed not like us five times in a row. I fainted three times. I kept waking up every other. Yeah. There's a lot of non-wrappers on the stage.

It was glorious. LeBron was there. And so I was in the stands because I don't have $2,000 to spend on the floor seat. I wasn't going to do that. That was ridiculous. So I was up in the stands. And below me on the floor was a little VIP section. I was like right above them so i saw lebron back there dancing the whole time and i like oversaw a conversation where tyler grader came and was shopping up with him at the end it was crazy him like watching tyler peri i heard tyler peri i heard tyler the creator i'm going to say tyler perry he's everywhere man what the hell he's like what's he doing there yeah i saw i saw lebron dancing the whole time and then him talking to tyler the creator i saw on yaku akongwu afterwards outside the

venue? That's hilarious, right? Atlanta. We went to league, man. What can I say? No, no, it was great, man. It was everything you saw online exactly how I felt in person. It was insane. Crazy energy. He walked out to Euphoria, rose from the stage, and I just hear the fucking little slow beat in the background. Everyone just starts freaking out. It was great. That was amazing. My God, man. I, uh, I'm not usually like the biggest fan of like live music like that. Like, I'm just an old man like that. Yeah. that was one of like the one things I wish like I had gone to

like also I was happy it was on like prime and like Twitch or whatever like that was a great like production experience like I could sit on my couch and eat Chipotle and watch history yeah like I'm not even gonna lie like scroll Twitter like go through group chats it was great but I wish I was there like that was electric like life changing it I can't use what you idiots get for not living in L.A make that fucking move don don't what do you think this guy nah i mean that i feel i feel the same way i i don't like l a last night was the one night that i wish i was in los angeles like i wish i would have went because watching

watching watching kendrick just dance on drake's grave for like an hour and a half and having literally and this is also something that like i knew but you don't realize it until like every artist just goes one after another of just how talented Los Angeles is and how like how much impact they have on hip hop and like on the music game in general it just felt like a non-stop of like oh he's there oh he's from LA oh he's from LA and it's just like yo all of you guys grew up within like five minutes of each other and it's wild everyone's in the middle Steve Lacey he's from I had no idea here some Compton. So listen, don't.

I was learning so much, man. I didn't know that like black hippie was like a thing. Like they were like a like a group. Oh, that was amazing. This is the reunion for that. I learned that yesterday. I know Donna was happy to tell about that. Man, I listen, tear, a single one came down, came down my eye.

I was like, oh my goodness. You hear school board Q's come out? That's my guy. School Board Q's album is like top five of the year for me right now. I saw, I saw, I saw somebody on Twitter to say, like, they saw black hippie came out and all of a sudden a tank top and a bucket hat just flashed on to him.

It was elite 2014 vibes. There was everything we need. Yeah. I want to know what it would look like. I want to know what it would look like if Drake had a Drake and French pop out. I need the opposite reaction. Yeah, sexy red out there. You got a little oddie.

And he'd bring in with him just because it would be horrible. Drewski with him too. That's disgusting, man. I also, I didn't realize, like, like, I mean, this is what Twitter told me on of this true, but, like, that whole set list top to bottom was just like... Oh, shit.

My camera just turned off. I think most camera cut. All right, well, let's finish producer quarter. Most cameras off, we'll just keep going. It doesn't matter. We'll get it back on for TikTok time. Yeah. I didn't realize that the whole set list was just,

the whole set list was just Kendrick hate. Or, I mean, it was just Drake hate. Yeah, he didn't realize that. Yeah, he put the last in the beginning and a half. Everything was just like a sneak disc. I never really picked up on that. Yeah, they've been to sneakdisc each other for a while And yeah, he started with all the songs that were like

Open-ended aggression, but clearly there's one guy he's particularly aggressive to over the years So it was kind of like reframing it. That was pretty cool Yeah, it's like a coming home party and also like Also like let's really run it up on Drake I've been hating this guy for like All right years, I didn't know it yet And I was I was also disappointed like whenever King Zad came on I really thought future was going to come out

Oh same yeah Like I thought I don't I don't even know how you would react it I mean all your favorite artists were there yesterday Isaac like yeah i don't even know how you he's talking about future and uh tyler the creator two of my favorites yeah so yeah it was great he came out and i was immediately just like i looked over my girlfriend i was like ah it was just like i just making inaudible noises no man last last last that was last i was crazy he's we've had this we've had this conversation so many times but like it's it's confirmed like he's he's top five like top five top three

you could argue for kids you guys to go it i don't even care yeah mount mount rushmore had as Jay Z. Yay and Kendrick Lamar and the fourth face can be whoever you want. But those three are solidified to me. It's crazy. But yeah, I'm glad you celebrated Juneteenth like that, man. I was doing my part. And that's producer corner. I have an apology to issue.

What? On the stream, tap in. Was it on Monday, 8 p.m. Eastern time? It was Tuesday this week. We got a donation. from specifically Philly Loving Ginger. I believe that's his name, right, Donovan? Yes.

And we made a deal and they went ahead and donated a decent amount of money. My my end of the deal was getting 2,000 likes on the stream. They didn't complete that on the stream. They did it after the stream. But I am a man of the people. I don't do whatever. I don't do anything that everybody's asked me to do. But for this, I will.

And this is my hairliner. review. A hair live review. Are you guys right now? Hold on. It's not as bad. He didn't give a background information. On the last two episodes, he was running a shiasty because he got a bad haircut. On the stream, everyone was spamming. Take it off. Take it off. And he was like joking like give us enough likes, donations. Maybe I'll do it. Somebody donated $150 and the comments said take it off. And he didn't do it. He never said he would 100%. But the comments are super mad at him after the stream for not being a man of his word to the crown eaters. He's being nice about it and he's in due to reveal. Y'all have too much dip on your chip.

I'll say that you guys were demanding he take it off like strip for us take it off like it was so extreme we're gonna play into you guys and do stuff

and like have that fun rapport you gotta relax if it doesn't want to take it off he's not gonna take it off now listen they did get 2,000 likes on the VOD

and the last time that they did that was like two months ago at the start of the playoffs yeah I am a man of my word dollar signs don't move me but I am

likes though 2,000 likes though 2,000 likes dollar make him holly I did that head off go ahead and show him the terrible cut is it's a is it's been a little bit over

hasn't been a little yeah it's actually been a little bit over a week now and my hair's growing back but a week is not enough for the damage to I saw it the day after they fucked you up

it's pretty bad so I don't know what it looks like now I think you saw it the day out of day oh yeah oh you tell the day off that shit wasn't back it was terrible

overnight yeah they made me they gave me all right enough Show the hairline. Show the hairline. Okay, don't show that. Take that off the screen.

That's going to get cut out. That's hilarious. Show the airline. Show the hairline. All right. We got to get you. Wrap this shit up. Exactly.

Are you ready? Yes. Take a good look. Go ahead and look down. Look to the side. All right. Whoa. Downside.

The fate is coming in pretty nicely. Beard doesn't look as bad. anymore but that was it now let's get to TikTok time it was much worse the day after it's all good let's get to TikTok time I'm tired let's go mostly gonna see a cut it's gonna look normal then but trust me the day of that bitch was horrendous let's go yeah I couldn't even be a good friend anybody it's not that bad it was that bad it was awful I would worse I see too but onto the actual topic of TikTok time what you guys are here for today we are starting with the draft and that draft

is going to be us drafting the most random NBA line as possible. So we'll see what this comes to, but we're going to draft one through five, point guard through center, or the most random players you can possibly think of. It should be good, some deep cuts. Remind you of your child. Let's roll. Of course I get the number one overall pick this draft. What that doesn't fucking matter.

Yeah, exactly. So real simple. Mo, where are we going first? Let's draft the most random NBA players possible. All right. When I think of random, someone who happens to appear in my childhood for literally no reason at all, I think a K-Felder. Why are you? K-Feldman, nice.

I don't remember what team he played for. He played for the, he played for the Cleveland Cavaliers. And it was around the time when Isaiah Thomas was snapping and K. Feltzer was like a 5-11, 5-10 demon. And people thought they were getting some. Feldman. Shout to K. Felder, man. Okay. Actually, no, let's thought.

Lekele doesn't know these players. I don't even want you to look it up to kill. I want you to just spell it off of gut instinct and see what happens. I don't trust you. That's funny here. Well, listen, no, not holding it against you. These are randoms on purpose. Don't Google it.

I'm going to be an asshole now. Let's do it. Don, don't Google it, DeKiel, just play you do it. Don, what's the same? Now, you thought you said him up. Listen. Good. First pick overall.

Okay, Felder. Okay, he did get it right. I thought you said Feldman. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go. First pick. Give me Pepe Sanchez.

My point. Oh, TD3 legend. The legend lives. The legend. The God, I have Pepe Sanchez running my team. I need it. I love that. Damn, I can't beat that.

You just won the draft. Come on. My first pick and my power forward. Give me Namansa, Bialita. Woo. Bealica. That's good. That's great.

A legend. Yes, That is disgusting Hey, you tried You tried Listen, this is terrible He had some years I don't know how many casual fans

Remember those years But those years were had Man him on the Sacramento Kings Yeah, he put in the work He was a lake and straight target For like two straight deadlines That's right Almost random

They never got him I love it All right All right All right back Oh I forgot Back to back fix. And you know what? Let's double up, build my front court. Give me Frank the tank Kaminsky

at my center. Mm. Okay. March Madness, legend. Take is nice. Okay. Take is nice. I like that. I like that. All right, with my two guard. I don't know why. Listen, I, I love watching this guy's highlights. They bring me immense joy. I want Ben Gordon as my shooting guard. This is the second time you mentioned Ben Gordon. That's your guy, dude. I want you. I like, you're nasty bro Ben Gordon is fire three levels shout out for a reason you love Ben Gordon

you love Ben Gordon okay so I mentioned you didn't think Ben Gordon would appear in this TikTok he's done it twice all right that lands me right back at the at this spot

so my four go ahead and give me Lucan Bahamu Teh Louca Amute, I love it. He was so good. Classic world player. Luke is he saying to kill.

Luke, Luke is his first name. Luke imbaumute. The last time we're going to spell it. Look about a mutte. That's crazy. This is awful. This is bad.

This is bad. But what's next? We just slander for names. And I hate this. right after that And my three Give me Alf Rukamino

You You're actually You're actually a demon Because al-Feruncimu was my next pick I was gonna I was gonna pick out As my as my He was always so

tall and so theoretically good and just tall all right at my power forward listen this guy is constantly in my brain because I don't know how he made the NBA

with his physical profile give me Dewan Blair Mr. No ACLs what DeWan Blair Dewan Blair Dewan Blair Mr.

No MCLs that was like the talking point on every broadcasts on every spurs they're like you know he's six seven he doesn't have any ACLs he can't tear it he's actually he's actually set up for success what a scouting report no knees that's crazy my next picks at my point guard give me another college legend give me jimmer fredet listen china legend college legend very forgettable in the NBA he he's Jordan over there he's better than my Michael Jordan in China.

He's a messy of Chinese basketball. On God, bro. He's a demon. On God. And then, am I small forward? Give me Luke Babbitt. You may not have heard of him. I may not either, but I played 2K my team.

And he had a silver card in 2K15 that was a bucket. He never missed. Him and Josh McRobberts back in the day? They don't know about that. You need a sharpshooter for the low in 2K15? He got you. I like that. I like that a lot, like that a lot.

All right, Nikol, listen, I'm sorry. I've been trying to be nice to you with some of these names. This one is not that great. At my center, I'm going with another San Antonio Spurr. Give me Rosho Nesterovich. Oh, hell, no. That's a name. I don't even know how to spell that.

It's actually quite what you think. It's not as the spelling is as foreign as what you think it would be. why did we all start picking foreign names to fuck but it wasn't even the points i mean listen i had these guys on my list so this is disgusting all right so at my two

go ahead and give me lakers legend secu demboa let's get real over here let's get former lottery pick real right here brus pistons draft legend I forgot he was a Laker. I don't know if he touched the court. It was the most random Laker ever, man.

All right. And then at my five, let's stick with the Lakers. Go ahead and give me Yijian Leon. All right. Now, you know good and well that Nikiel has no chance of spelling that correctly. He spelled it. Oh. I'm not going to lie.

fuck is that he is cooking he you actually spelled it right his last name is one word last name is one word you actually cook mcale i don't know who that is i'm not going to lie he was a stretch five he was a stretch five what you mean you don't know about that's the most random play you could have picked i've never heard of him bro he's a demon bro he was a demon i'm not going to lie he came clutches of the 72 overall back in the rebuilding days All right My last pick I need some more shooting

Listen this guy Played on the Cleveland Cavaliers With LeBron right before he left Give me Anthony Parker Who? What? Damn you'll know You'll know by Anthony Parker

You don't know it's okay I know about Anthony Morrow But Anthony Parker I'm gonna name somebody that you guys probably know We haven't thought about in a minute Give me Marco Bellanelli We just talked about Marco Yeah

That was a good way. I had it written down already. We just happened to mention him a little bit ago. Damn, okay. When Ben Simmons was running up and down, you had JJ Reddick at one corner, Markle Bellanilla in the other corner. That was a problem. A problem. Stoppable.

Yeah. I'm not going to lie. In the back end, problem. I ain't a lie. And this, you see, coming into this draft, I was going to pick straight African players. And then I figured that, you know what? I want to go international a little bit. and so I wanted to pick

Yee Giannion and that bused 50 princes Okay okay All right You gotta say The guy's name right You gotta say his name right

Do you know how to say his name right No I don't know who that is Then how do you know I'm saying his name wrong Because you said it differently than how you said it before No I didn't I said in the exact same way Run it back audio listeners I legit

Don't know who that is I got to look it up. Did you Google the most random players of all time? No. I actually, I don't say, I don't know him as if he's my homie. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know who the fuck this is. He looks tall. How tall is he's a seven footer? He's like 6.11 or something like that. So at my starting, NBA. Yeah, he was a great player. Is this the new Pepe Sanchez?

No, don't disrespect him like that. He was actually a decent player. He was exactly. I'm surprised you guys don't know about him. Wait, 8 and 5? 8.m. 5 is kind of nasty. He was before his time, genuinely speaking.

For the New Jersey Nets. He was before his time. Put him in the league today. That's not great. Yeah. So it's not. But 8 and 5? But that's because of his shot died back then.

I mean, but like, listen, 8 in 5 on 40% from the field. Austin Rivers did that and had himself a career. So, like, he really was ahead of his time. That's crazy. He could have said, right? Maybe it's a bad ball knowledge for me not to know him, but I'm glad I just found out about him. Great player, bro. I need his jersey one day.

Next TikTok we're going to do. Now, we've been doing a thing lately where one of us ranked something one to ten. The others react. You guys seem to like it a lot. So we're going to do it today, but with a little bit of a remix. I am going to redraft the 2023 NBA draft one year later with you two reacting to my picks. Okay. So in a normal top 10 ranking, we'd start from 10, build up to 1, and kind of do it that way.

It's like a, but with the draft that doesn't make, that doesn't make much sense, because I'm going to focus on the actual team and what they would redo a year later because it's so fresh that I can focus on the team and not just like a ranking of players. So we're trying to 1. Oh, good. So real simple. This is my 2023 NBA redraft. You guys let me know what you think.

Number one overall, surprise, surprise. We still got Victor Wiman Yama. We can move on. I'm glad we all agree And number two Good pick We still got Brandon Miller Surprise surprise surprise

Also Would you guys change this? This video starts at the third overall pick Potentially And it does Because at number three We have Amen Thompson Before the show buzzers

Still need a point guard Of the future I don't have as much faith to scoot I still have some faith But I think amend is going to be The true athletic point guard That they thought they were getting at a scoot I agree

Yeah I mean I'm with Scoot I'm all in on a men, so yeah, I'm good with him. The likelihood of scoops, scoots jump shot, like coming around is very high, more higher than amends in my opinion. But how much of an impact can he make with the scoring compared to a men in his all-around game? Exactly. A men might never be a good shooter, but I know who'll be an elite defender, an elite athlete, an elite rebounder, all these things that are going to provide value. And the shooting might come around.

He also an elite playmaker as well. Yeah, and a great passer. But number four at the Rockets Listen they missed out on a man This time they get Scoo Henderson I'm not selling all my scoot stock I still think he'll be good But I would swap that order of the point cards

Yeah that makes sense The Rockets are still like listen They got Fred Van Bleet But obviously he's a bridge player right He's not one of their core pieces For their future You used to have to get a guard To set up Jaylon Green to play with

Sangoon Jabari Smith all that I like this pick at 4 exactly they have enough depth that they don't need scoot to be a star right away they can give him time to develop while the pressure is anonymous at all okay i think that's that's a decent spot for him at four that's just how they're doing them in they're giving them time exactly yeah we're just swapping these two guys next up at five the pistons are taking derrick lively listen jalen durn is a very interesting player not a good defender derrick lively is too good too fast to pass up on he can be a generational center that can be their building block of their defense next to Cade.

See, this is, I like Derek lively a lot. I want to see what he would look like next to, uh, next to Kate Cunningham and the, and not Luca, right? It's a, it's a very different situation getting, getting a lot from, from one of the best pastors in the league to one of the worst organizations in the front, in the league. For sure. But nobody else below him has really stood out as a star yet. So I think he's earned this spot as being immediately effective on defense and

offense. I think if he was on the Detroit Pistons, he would be clearly like the best center on that team and he would be the only one giving them a pulse of life. Because of his enthusiasm until you watch him play helpside defense and you're like, oh God. Yeah, exactly. You see the rebound. You see the points that he gets from those easy putbacks and stuff like that. And you're like, oh my God, is this? The muscles are awesome. The pick and roll defense is not. At number six For the Orlando Magic They're going with Kaysen Wallace

Before they pick the Anthony Black To be essentially a three and D guard I can fit next to their Next to their big forwards Enter Kays and Wallace Who can do the exact same things And I think is more talented I still don't understand

How he slid all the way back And OKC was able to grab him But him being an Orlando It's quite literally like what they need Someone who can shoot obviously in that shit right now. And still has straps on the defensive end as well.

Exactly. Him and Jaila sucks together is a lethal duo. I like it. Number seven, the Wizards, they're still taking him below Kulabali. I don't think this changes.

He keeps growing, keeps getting more enticing as an athlete. If they liked him before, they like him now. I don't know why I never saw this. This is French Earl sweatshirt. It's crazy. What?

random tidbit shout out you Belaw you got a celebrity look like there you go I saw that number eight we're going to Assar Thompson he can't fall down much lower right they picked Jaris Walker originally

because they need a big forward that can really bolster defense for years to come enter Assar Thompson who's probably going to be one of the best primitive defenders in the league one day we just got to see if the shot comes around but I'm willing to take that bet for the Pacers if you help out Tyree Taliburton

and say listen I know you're a cone So we're going to go get two cones or two. Dang, I messed that up completely. In my head, in my head, I was like, dang, that's a bar. But I messed it up. Anyways, Tyree Tyler and Bad Defender. Sorry, Thompson, good defender. They need him.

So, yes, I like this pick. Yeah. Dang, I jacked that up. I'm so mad. Dang. He thought he had a moment. He thought he had TikTok Legend status. I'm so mad.

That's awful. I feel like Charles Barkley. If you all are still here, comment. L bars I want to see L bars The great one liners man

Yeah they're always They love your one liners And they always Comment that like damn Donovan got the best one liners I try Never everybody can hit every shot they take I'm on Tatum time

He still has an opportunity To go ahead and do so We have more TikTok time Insta And next up pick After us are At number nine Listen the jazz picked

Hendricks the first time Because they wanted a wing Let's pick the wing That shouldn't have fell So far in the first place Cam Whitmore To the Utah Yes

This is 110% right. He would be a monster that's quite literally no one in his way in Utah. He would develop so perfectly alongside Lowry. Exactly. The Utah Jazz are really good at utilizing downhill drivers with their spacing. He'd fit perfectly next to Lowry with his speed. I 110% agree. It's insane.

He fell so far, man. Next up. Number 10. The Mavericks, they miss out on Derek lively, so they get Jarris Walker, who was somebody who went a little bit higher before, didn't show a lot of his rookie year because they didn't need him in the rotation. but he lit up the G league he can be

basically that he would be PJ Washington for them I think hmm okay yeah there's so much unseen with his game but there's so much yeah like there's so much unseen with his game they covered up so much

but he has a lot of wiggle can shoot he's obviously lengthy as shit I don't lie PJ Washington might be an okay comparison or I would say like a fucking Jeremy Grant with how he moves sometimes he just has so much untapped potential

that we're just waiting for the patrons to give him his chance man imagine if they drafted the guy that they needed still had the assets could go out and make another move exactly i might actually believe in dallas next year all right right next slide let's look the full list so to finish it out we go over to go there you go so we have wemby brandon miller amend thompson scoo henderson derrick lavies the top five we're all good there yeah i think i'm good i question if houston still should take um scoot But I don't know if there's necessarily a better option there for them.

Exactly, right. So you can not love Scoot all you want, but they don't need Eric Lively. Obviously, they got Sangoon. Everybody else below them hasn't proved to be some crazy star either way. So you might as well take the chance on Scoot when everybody thought he was his prospect beforehand. There's still a chance he lives up to that. Who did Orlando take again? Cason Wallace.

Yeah. You can't take Cason Wallace and put him alongside Jalen Greene. you need some creation so yeah exactly definitely gets picked up by them and if you want to put Cam Whitmore but I understand that but I think a star would look a lot better

on a team that doesn't have five non-shooters at once does that box be willing to tear right that would be quite literally hell oh my god I wish I honestly should be higher I don't maybe I'm moving a little too far down no I think I saw land in the right space because

what is Washington gonna do with him they need someone with more upside and I guess Balau has that because he's an enigma of all ends and he's six nine now he keeps growing he's huge now I know that's why I'm just like he's such a huge question mark how tall was he's he coming out he already has this he was six seven he was like six nine now yeah it's crazy it's crazy there's my top ten there you guys go interesting draft next thing we're gonna do we're gonna keep on

the topic of draft mo I believe you have some NBA draft comparisons to talk about ah yes it's actually been a while since you did this So, you know, it's draft season right now. I believe the drafts is like less than 10 days away. It's like six days away or something like that. And through this season, everyone likes to go ahead and bring up their draft comparisons and talk about the up and coming guys or guys from the past. And that's exactly what we're going to do right now.

We're going to look at some guys that have been drafted in the past few years and look back at their draft comparisons and see if these scouts and analysts actually got them right. Yeah, so we're going to tell you if you think this comparison. was right or wrong looking back exactly so with that being said did this NBA player live up to their draft comparison let's get it first up we got Victor Wembenyama what's the job and who was a comparison Katie oh draft comparison is Katie and Anthony Davis yeah okay he did he has a defense of AD and listen he's not Katie offensively But you see the shades, especially for a big man.

I think this is pretty accurate. Yeah, there's certain times where you can see him getting into his pull-up three where it's like, yeah, there's only one other person who can move like that. And that's Kevin Durant. So on that front, I like that. And then when we talk about just being elite defensively, listen, by the end of next year, is Wembe going to be better than AD on defense?

I don't know. I think he might be. I don't know. I don't know. It's not ridiculous to say. We'll have a conversation in defense next season. That's not ridiculous. it's not ridiculous to say that off the year in the second year did we just

called that out who either way he lived up to this I think he's going to be bad and anybody ever imagined goddamn that's just a crazy as comparison in general not the fact that you go see the KD Hall of Famers is insane exactly like we always see KD comparisons like on a consistent basis just because you're skinny like the last time someone got compared to him is like I don't know brandy or something like that yeah we see 80 comparisons like on the regular last player you compared to AD was Evan Mobley and I mean I guess yeah but that's

only defensive talks this dude right here lives up to it on both ends the fact that you can play 70 games and I can immediately be like oh yeah I do see some Kevin Durant I do see some Anthony Davis like that's absurd yeah this league is this league is cooked so we can move on to the next player

next we got Jason Tatum being compared to Harrison Barnes and Danny Granger bro everybody's left on Jason Tatum coming into the draft. He was an afterthought after Markell Foltz and Lonzo Ball. It's so crazy. Of course, he's up to this.

Yeah, he's surprised. Now, listen, Prime Danny Granger is a problem. But Jason Tatum is a problem. I was waiting for you to say that. Shout out, but he lives up to it. Exactly. Listen, we all like to pretend that Danny Granger was unstoppable, right? He's okay, right?

Jason Tatum is one of the 10 best players in the league right now. He's better than both of these two guys. Danny Granger on this Celtics team? Could he have won the championship? All right. That's where we stop right there. I mean, that's a fair point. That's a crime Danny Granger.

We have to talk about that next week. Before all the injuries? Oh, that's a real conversation right now. You don't talk about rim pressure. Exactly. All right, all right, all right. Going number three, sick, man. But next up, we got Lorry marketing,

Larry marketing to Ryan Anderson and Dirk Nowitzky Well Okay so they Exactly He's like a good median between They cast a wide net here

They're like he's either A very average white shooter Or a very legendary white shooter We're bound to be right somewhere in the middle And they nailed it Exactly They said white foreign That's you

Like it's a lazy comparison on earth You can look at any tall European player and be like That's a dirt And this time, I guess Yeah Fine Shout out Ryan Anderson

Yeah fine Ryan Anderson would eat in today's league man Him back when he was in the war's Pelican He didn't play that long ago It feels like a little long ago I ain't gonna lie to you Ryan Anderson man He was on the 2018 Rocket Team I think

No way was he Yeah but that was old Ryan Anderson I see what most saying Yeah he was in 2016 2017 he was still contributing a lot But yeah he was gonna pass his age a little bit Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it actually feels like I remember that because look at his look at the look at the look at the Jersey update with yeah. He's got Rocky Borges on his jersey. Yeah, damn. That's so crazy. You want him kicking around for longer than we remember. That's crazy. Damn, Ryan Anderson. He should he could have been there last year. He would have been like what the fuck. He wouldn't be Ryan Anderson retire. Let me look that up. He was he last year. He was 2019, 2021. He probably didn't retire. He probably didn't retire. Yeah, he just stopped playing. Ryan Anderson's last year was 2019, 2020. bubble year okay he only played two games so his that's crazy nice no that's interesting

all right next player we got kairie irving to chris paul this was his comparison coming in that was his lone comparison coming from who i don't people do forget the young chris paul was very shifty so i guess i understand that exactly like chris paul was the last like nine ten years okay that will complete you'll look at this comparison you'll be like what the fuck is this But look at that year that he almost won MVP. You see all those. Young fans today think of Chris Paul as geriatric and this, like, whiner, they don't realize that he was actually like incredibly fast

and athletic as a young guy. Isn't the worst comparison in the world? Nah, he didn't live up. I mean, Chris Paul is like one of the greatest point guards of all time in like a basketball sense and in a, oh, if you have to win one game, who do you want leading your team? I don't think Harry has matched him on either one of those levels. no definitely not but stylistically I get it but no

young people get mad at us when we say Prime Chris Paul smokes Kyrie but he smokes Kyrie yeah I don't think they understand how many aspects of the game that Chris Paul has mastered compared to Kyrie the only aspect of the game that Kyrie has mastered is like highlight tapes and being clutch I guess yeah making really hard shots instead of getting easy ones still valuable Somebody got me a great player It's a great player Fantastic player

It's not Chris Ball He's not Sadly you're right Pain He's not so no he did not He did not live up to this comparison What's the next one Next up

We got Evan Mowgli to Chris Bosch I forgot people were saying this People really thought Evan Moby was going to be a shooter Still might be You know The book's not done But it's not looking great

For that comparison at all Listen a couple years later That comparison is cut Exactly a couple years later Mo, who were they comparing Evan Mobley to? You said it earlier to you. Now, they're comparing him to Derek favors.

Tragic. Tragic. How the mighty of phone. Now listen. Why? I see it the length of body type. I understand it. Defensively, he's even better than Chris Bosch.

I get it. But offensively, it just hasn't worked out the way at all. No, he'd live up to it. It's so far off. We just keep on this thing where I understand some people look like former players. You say, tall skinny guy, tall skinny guy. He's Chris Bob.

Gosh, I get it, but it's kind of lazy. He's not, he's not like that. Offensive. That's hilarious, well, y'all are going to absolutely hate. I'm not selling my stock yet, though. He still has a chance to develop. I'm not done with Evan Mobley. Now, him as a lone center, we can have to be different conversations.

He was popping off for 16 points in the playoffs. He's, he's a bucket. All right. I will never forget that 23-point game to try to get some Boston Celtics earlier this year. No, man, he was shooting. Sniper, shooting three-three of the game. that's hilarious all right next player

we have yonis attenna cumpo to evan turner people back then didn't know what the fuck to do about him at all they said the way the way after turn impacts the game with his passing from a point four perspective isn't something that yonis has really matched yet to this point of his career

so i'm not gonna go i'm not gonna i'm not gonna jump the gun and say yonis lived up to this yet i don't think so Evan Turner also has things in his game and in his portfolio that Yonis doesn't. So like Evan Turner has a podcast. Janus doesn't. Exactly. So I don't. Yonis has no multimedia experience.

Yeah. I don't how financially literate is Yonis compared to Evan Turner? I don't know, right? So we're just going to have to go. I think Evan Turner still has a couple legs up on Yonis. But listen, if he keeps working, he's clearly shown that he can improve quickly. But he, I'm not. I'm not buying it.

Quit the yap. I'm not buying it until he shines at the highest level of I heart radio podcasting. Yeah, we're still buying like a year away. He's a year away from being a year away. In fact, a year away from being a year away. Yeah. The internet tomatoes are being launched at you guys' face right now.

Bob your weaver. That's absolutely disgusting, man. Stick a weave. Next comparison. We got Josh Gingie. to Ricky Rubio and Kyle Anderson. Yeah, he just took the worst element to both their games. You take Kyle Anderson's speed, Ricky Rubio shooting,

Ricky Rubio's defense and just combine it into an amalgamation of uselessness. And we got it. What? Are you discounting Giddy, Giddy's passing? Yes. Bro, today I saw a four-minute highlight tape of Josh Giddy's worst passes of the of the year. It was awful. It was crazy. He stands at the three-point line staring down the cutter pass and everybody sees it every single time. It's hard for your passing to be relevant

when your man is standing in the paint looking at the guy you're looking at. Like if you're not a scoring threat, your passing is irrelevant. His defenders are like there? Okay, I got you. I'll go over there. I'll go over there. Damn. This is pretty on the money, bro. I ain't go to lie to you. I always think back to that one YouTube highlight I always think back to that one The YouTube graphic This is all the weaknesses And it's just like a million of them

Just basketball yeah That was hoopade elects out to him Oh that's hoopiella like I love his video He gives me so much on my draft insight Yeah I mean he's feeding the nation bro Not gonna lie but he was in his back When it comes to this shit because it was on the money Still to his day

That sucks All right next comparison We got Palo Ben Carroll to Blake Griffin TBD but it's looking good for sure yeah if you want to go like older blake yeah because obviously like that's yeah the athleticism isn't there but once you get to like late clippers early pistons uh blake the smoothness of the game the ability to to to shoot past right to handle the ball bring up it in transition that's still there so i can i can kind of see that that was a lot i see a lot 2018 blake palis to get better at

getting to the rim consistently and not studying for his many jumpers but the way he moves the ball in his hands as a passer and a score looks a lot like pistons blake palo looks so young in this picture it's crazy i mean he is young that's just how he looks now he is young yeah because you're sitting the next old bad blake griffin so it looks way different yeah no this is a great comparison he's living up to it day by day i agree all right next comparison we got jonathan comminga to Pascal Siakum and Jalen Brown See this isn't fair to Kaminga They listed the two

Best Development Stories in modern NBA history Guys who went for being bad at everything But long to being really good How is Kamiya gonna live up to that Unless he's also one of the best development stories In NBA history, it's not fair to him Developing under Steve Kerr That's a fake scenario

Challenge level impossible Exactly Can never happen This is an L I don't blame you he felt you for failure he felt he didn't make a leap this past year when he was actually given a real opportunity but what else do you expect out of him you know like there's only so much someone like can be again do you can watch clay thompson misjumpers he can't do a lot and that's a problem tragic all right we got one more comparison it's nicola yokech to boris

Diao that's all these fucking scouts had in their bag couldn't decipher shit else about his game Yeah like if you gave Boris Dial Super Soldier Serum Yeah like he could be Nicole Yokic I don't I don't hate that

He could even care bear syndrome I don't know if Nicole Yokic is built like a super soldier I mean You know what I'm gonna be Barney If you turn Boris Dio's attributes Up a thousand Yeah I can be Yokic

I ain't gonna lie yeah you make him a 99 overall or try to match him with Nicole Yokich's attributes on 2K, they're putting up the same as that stat line for sure. Maybe a little bit less rebounds for Boris because he doesn't have those physical attributes, but for sure they're putting up like... Low key, we can laugh at this because

Nicole Yokich became an MVP, but coming in and projecting him to be this passing big man that can do a little bit in the short role and all this stuff it wasn't a bad comparison. Yeah, it was actually, it was literally on the money, I agree. Yeah, this scout understood Nicole Yolich's game better than most of the NBA. Yeah, they just

than see it being this dominant at this scale. How could they see him being a top-five officer player of all time at his peak? How could they see this happening? Yeah, well, how could they see modern-day Larry Burke come to fruition? Yeah, while being built like Patrick Starr, no one sees that shit, bro. No one foreseen that shit.

No, that still hasn't been seen other than this case right here. I'll give this a W. I like this. Yeah, shout out to him. He was in his back. Those scouts are in his back, man. That was the last one. That great role player man

I miss his game We need more Boris Dioz And lead today We always need more Boris Dioz I love that Next thing we're gonna do Ah Let's get ready to slander some people I think

Slander Oh shit Oh let me sit up A little bit We're getting ready to some interesting debates That will lead to slander Because I know who you are as a person And how you operate

I'm gonna name Two NBA duos And I want you to let me know Which one is better Old or new Okay All right. First off.

I'm awake. Pierce and Garnett versus Tatum and Jalen Brown. Pierce and Garnett for sure. Pearson Garnett. I don't even think about that twice, bro. I don't even think about that twice. Paul Pierce is very underrated and I think at this point in time too. He was better than Jalen Brown.

And there could be arguments for him being better than Jason Tatum. I would make those arguments for sure. And Kevin Garnett's an all-time player. Yeah, I just don't think. Yeah, I just don't think that. Jaylen Brunner, Jason Tatum, have reached the heights that Kevin Garnett has. And so I'm going to side with them. Even in a Celtics uniform?

Yeah. It's not like Kevin Garnett had a ton of prime years in the Celtics. No, but even if you go at their peak, like, 08, I'll still take KG and Paul Pierce. Absolutely. Paul Pierce is very much. No love for the 19 year old demon, unbelievable. Next one. Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook versus Luca and Kyrie.

it may be throwback memories kicking my ass, but I'm going Katie and Russ. They made the finals together just like Luca and Kyrie, and they actually didn't get their backs going out. They both lost in five, didn't they? They did both losing five. But I am going KD and Russ because when they were together, both of them were like all NBA talent, whereas Kyrie, listen, he's still great, right? He can still rise to that occasion, but as we've seen, the inconsistencies are starting

to show. and Russell Westbrook and Kevin the right were disgusted on a night in, night out basis. You're not really there with Kyrie every night like that. Yeah, it's hard because they were better apart. Like, they were MVP's apart. And together they're obviously still great, but it's hard to, you know, separate that.

Yeah. Yeah. It's still like two, like first and second team NBA type players on the same team at the same time. Yeah, end of the day. Two of the best players in the world in the different areas. One side kicks a lot better than the other, I think. I agree.

Yeah. All right. Which is the rest of the legacy aging like a wine right now. That's crazy. This is like the first pause of life we've talked about. Facts. Old is up to O. Let's go.

Okay. Next up. Can we make it two? We got this one cheating a little bit because one's not current anymore. But Shaq and Kobe versus KD and Steph Curry. Tye. We're at 2.0 and 1. I this is hard to the top three duos of all time like this is tough this is so hard you know what

so who's the best player here donovan who's the best player here I would say shack you it's either shack or Steph either one of them but I'm going I'm going with Shaq and Kobe because even as great as Steph and KDR we're going to play the if game they have a Another all-time defender and, like, great facilitator and playmaker, Draymond alongside them. They have a Clay Thompson alongside them. It was Shaq Kobe and Robert Dory. It was Shaq Kobe and Derek Fisher.

And these guys were still able to go in three Pete. And we saw early, I read the stats off earlier, Shaq in the finals was 38 and 17. Like, Shaq at his peak is, it's a level of dominance that I don't think either the other two have reached. So I'm going to go Shaq and Kobe That's fire I think the 17 Warriors are better Than the 01 Lakers

As a team But as a duo I think you can go towards The Lakers guys In the finals Back in 2017 Their first rule year As a duo

Katie put it like 35 Disgusting In your Christian 35 at that point too Yeah I don't know And guess what And guess what

Shack average more It's like Like the levels that you think The levels that KD has reached The levels that Steph has reached it still is like crazy just how high Shaq could have gone and Kobe's also top five player in the world at the time too so yeah Shaq's slightly better than Curry

and Kobe's a little bit better than KD they just edge them out in both of them yeah you really think that version of Kobe's up three oh we've never had this much old victory before we have wait you really think that version of Kobe was better than this version of KD oh that's a good point I disagree with that right there I disagree with that whole hard oh you're right you're right this is young Kobe versus that's why it's like PKD okay it may maybe maybe that swings things a little bit I don't know I mean but you could go like even if you're going like a 102 Kobe you can make an

argument nah not 17 yeah for a second you can have you can have a conversation about it sure short one though sure yeah I I get it it's not peak of his powers Kobe yet this is close I still don't have an answer does he have to be peak of his powers to be better than Katie yes no listen Katie's resume may be whack but yes everybody has to be peak of their powers be better than Katie I'm going to second Kobe we all agreed on say Kobe I don't know why we're doing this okay okay I'm man in the middle I haven't chosen yet Jerome Murray and Nicole Yolkitch versus Tim Duncan and Tony Parker Tony Parker watches Jamal Murray I try to tell you guys last week how good Tony Parker is so

You put You put Tony Parker there And then you put Tim Duncan I think the two-way stuff From Duncan This is hard This is actually hard Yeah Tony Parker

Yeah Tony Parker was one of the first players To literally abuse the floater In Spain The best offense of big man You've ever seen Versus maybe the best defensive big man I've ever seen And their sidekick guard

Like which way do you go with that I think we have to look at the guards To like decide this to be honest because those two just cancel each other out in my mind. I think 2023 playoffs, Jamal Murray is as good as any version of Tony Parker. But as a whole, Tony Parker has a better resume. He's proved it more times. That two-man game between Yokic and Murray is deadly, though.

Exactly. He's as a duo. And that's what I'm saying. If we're just playing two on two, if we're just playing two on two, these guys are able to play off of each other better than Tim and Tony. But if we're building a team, would you rather have Yokic and Jam? mall over Tim and Tony. Yeah, if I had Greg Koppovich,

I'd rather have a mall and everybody else, maybe I'm going to Spurs, guys. But just two, I think we can go Nuggets. Yeah, just because, like, I don't, I don't want to be the greatest defense in the party. I think I'm going to go Yokic. I'm going to go Yokch and Murray. Victory screech.

Yeah. Finally got a young pick. Let's go. Let's do it. Damn. Next one. I don't like that. Alan Iverson.

Mbemitombo versus Joelle Mbeat and Tyrese All right, we don't have to We don't have to set DeKimbe up like this You know He's a cool guy He's in commercials we like DeKimbe It's this is just not the conversation for him Give me Joel and Tyrese

Listen got the MVP and their sidekick One side kicks a DPOI One sidekicks an all-star guard I don't know if it's easy Stop Yeah we're going Joel Mbeat and Tyre's Maxi You know I'm bringing it seems like it's pretty easy But I agree

I think Joellen Beat is better than Iverson fucking shoot me, I get it And Tyrese versus DeKinebe is close But I'm going Tyrese Yeah, we're gonna have to hand in that after show Is Tyrese versus DeKinebe really that close DeKinebe is a DPRI Like DeKinebe is not a scrub

We're not but I mean, come on I think I'm leaning Tyrese still I'm going new I'm going to nobody respects defense these days unbelievable Look where that defense got him Smacked by the Lakers

tragic. Where has anything gotten the 60s if we're doing that? I know, I'm reaching. All right, next up. All right, it's 3-2. Three-two.

Young is making... You got Chris Paul and Blake Griffin. Chris Paul and Blake Griffin versus Kevin Durant and Devin-Booker. Ah, the underachieving duels. Let's talk about it. Going ban for ban and disappointment. Ban for ban.

You want M-for-M and disappointment at that. See, this is, this is this is hard i'm going to give at this point i'm going to give c p and blake the nod here because i for the same reason that i picked the nuggets i think that they can play off of each other and their specific two main game actions are very very deadly whereas if we're going talent obviously katy and book win but you kind of need another piece to fully unlock what yeah and kd do yeah one duo compliment

your other one better that's pretty clear yeah but that's only that's literally only because chris paul is the most complete player here i'm me personally i'm sorry that's not my fault it's literally why they win he wins for me completely but he's still not

is that version of chris paul better than devon booker right now it's close conversation yes it's not necessarily a wash I mean, call it what you want, but I'm pretty easily picking Prime Chris Paul over Devin Booker, I think. I'm doing the same thing.

It's a close conversation. Don't call it to wash. I'm going Chris Paul every time and that makes up for it for me. I'm going to the Clippers. I think Blake Griffin is such a weak link that I might lean with the Phoenix Suns in this case.

Listen, either way you're going out in the second round, it doesn't really matter, so it's fine. We're just picking which struggle we want. Who do you want to root for it? Ass or ass. I don't know. exactly next up

disappointed disappoint or disappointment disappointment next up also Kobe and Dwight old won the series 4 2

well listen best of nine right now Kobe and Dwight versus Janice and Lillard Kobe and Dwight that Kobe and Dwight shit was pissing me off pissed everyone off

it pissed Kobe off it pissed Kobe the fuck off all these teams failed out right in the beginning only one of these duos hating each other so I might have to go with Janice and Dame they still got time to love each other

it's Janice and Dame yeah it's Janice and Dame in a heartbeat get that dude Dwight out of here bro that does not feel right at all you can see in this picture you could see it in this picture Kobe is about to yell at Dwight he's about to get on him

Dave's probably gonna be happier Milwaukee's gonna be in better shape they have a chance Kobe and Dwight never stood a chance bro they barely won five They barely were 500 in that year Dwight was there, bro. It's disgusting. I'm 100% leaning Janus and Dame.

That's what Dwight gets when we're in the ugly ass underarmar sleeve. Short sleeves. His shoulder was hurt. Yeah. No. So empathy? Not my problem. Dame was sad.

Dame was out of shape. We can make excuses. All right. He wasn't sad. This is new for sure. New for sure. Yeah. yeah new

okay so old's up four three right now yeah last one are we can get a tie game next one Derek Rose

and Joaquina versus Shea Gildes Alexander and Ted Holmgren Ooh I get it D Rose was MVP She was second

an MVP he wasn't too far off Jokine Noah was an MVP was like he was an MVP he's also up there I don't want

Now there's context behind those conversations because those are Mickey Mouse MVP candidates right there for sure and then yeah then it's the defensive talent down low listen joking no it was already at his prime so we can say that Chet's just getting started but

I don't know I think Derek Rose Ah hold on man that's I was gonna say it was a better player than Shea but hold on man she's defense is how much better I don't know night day It's nine day And she has a step back three to his game two Yeah she's Shays better

Fuck, man, that's crazy. It's impossible to separate nostalgia from Derek Rose's conversations. I don't even blame people for wanting to try. Yeah, I know. Donovan. And I think Chet's versatile. No, no, was super OD versatile as a defender back then. So that canceled each other out for real.

He led the league. Yeah. Four in a year. Yeah. You're wrong about that. He can't know about that. I think I'm winning Shane, Chet. That's, I hate that I'm saying that, though.

For the modern NBA, they fit a lot better. Before their era, I don't know if we can hold it against the Bulls. I'm going to D. Rose and Joaquin. Yeah, can we hold

can we hold the Bulls back for that? I don't know. I don't know. Derek Rose was a shooter. But he hasn't done it yet. So I guess we can go the Bulls just until Chet hits

like year three and makes it another conversation anymore. Yeah, I'm going to Jokkeen. I'm going to go to you, but count your fucking days. Chet is coming to end this conversation. Derek Rose,

legacy. will live on forever. And that's the end of that. We got one more segment to get to. One more. Listen, man. Jason Tatum discourse has been impossible to escape from.

We've been doing it nonstop. We're going to keep doing it. What we're going to do now is, I'm going to name an NBA player. You let me know if you would rather build around them or Jason Tatum. Let's do it. Shea Gilded Alexander.

I'm taking Shay in a heartbeat. I've been saying since like September. October yes and a heartbeat in a heartbeat he's a better score he's a better facilitator I won't say he's a better defender but he's a damn good but damn good defender for his position at 6 6 which which is what he stands I'm taking say for sure I'm also taking Shay also in a heartbeat it's not uh I don't I don't think I have to think twice about it I'm taking shake well I'm gonna take Shay as well but I'll think a few times about it I'll consider Jason Datum I'll consider the versatility he brings but I'll still pick Shea

but I'm going to be polite about it I'll say that's crazy not close is crazy but I'm taking Shay in a heartbeat for sure okay next up Anthony Edwards

Anthony Edwards is young correct Jason Tatum's 19 also correct Youth on youth I'm taking I'm taking Anthony

it's tough Um, yeah, I think it's very, it's very, it's very, very close. But the things that he was able to do this year, I've seen the glimpses of him being able to put a team on his back. And if we can get just a little bit more help for him in terms of like offensive creation where he didn't have to do everything by himself, I think we could really unlock something. Give me at the Edwards. I think he's better at his age right now than Tatum was. And it's very easy to see the path to him to continue to get better as a passer, as a score, as a shooter. as a defender like you can tell he's nowhere and you're done hitting a ceiling yeah you say

aunt is better at his age and tatum was at that age and right now is arguably better than him right now i don't know if we'll that for but i won't i don't hate you for saying but it's close man have also his shoes have you seen the aunt lows they're fire listen man have you seen summer time you know what this is about you know we're about to have these conversations exactly have you seen the u.s. they're tough he's going to be in tuesday in style yeah it's gonna be wearing some fuck-ass jordan brand shoes you're terrible I hate jane I hate jordan brand in general

yeah no Jason Tadm shoes is about Jordan brand as brats right next up Palo Bancaro oh this is Tatum I'll take Tate for sure Tateon I'll take I'll take hey finally Tatum's on the board we got a W

for him yeah Paulo's not there yet but next year could he be no no no it probably won't be it probably it probably won't be next year either but I mean Tatum listen Tatum is an elite

two-way wing right we saw him in the finals we saw him all playoffs long all season long really take a leap forward with his passing with his playmaking that's a that's a standard that Palo was exposed in in this playoffs and he's gonna get better at it But he's just not where Tatum is right now.

I will say one of Jason Tatum's flaws when he was younger was getting to the rim and using his size. That's Powell's the biggest problem right now. And I think he'll figure that out. And once he does, he's going to be unstoppable as a score. And his conversation might change. Man, I just love when six nine wings remember that they're six nine, 250 pounds and can get to the rim at any time. Everyone wants to be mellow when they can just be LeBron. I just do it.

Wow. Yeah, but being mellow is so much cooler, though. It's really not. Three to the dome. Have you ever done that in your life? I've never dunking anybody either but I bet that's fun too I bet it's sick

you should try it you're not a master of the pump fake and I can tell I can see I don't know I'm just Drevin Booker I'll take Tatum

I'll take Tatum I don't have to think twice I know that I'm getting elite play on both sides of the ball and listen sometimes Twitter be convinced And they've kind of convinced me that Devin Booker is a frontrunner

I think I like Jason Tatum. I'm sorry. Oh my God's because you hate Devin Booker that I'm sorry I've been convinced they have very solid arguments They have stupid arguments that bullshit listen I think it's a lot closer than you make than you're making it seem right now for sure it's not it's not close worth it's not close I'll go Tatum not close is disgusting I'll go Tatum as well but we're thinking lesser of Booker because this team is forcing to play point guard when just a couple years ago we realized he was the best shooting guard in the league pretty easily his PR's in the toilet because Matt Ishbio wants to play fantasy basketball

and that's fair right that's fair we can we can grade him on a curve I still don't care I'm taking Jason Tatum at the end of the day I like always thought Tatum was better I like Tatum's defensive versatility but I'm lean with Devon Booker there you go don't next one don't care either next one Janus that's in a all right come on next one we got yonness next one next one next one who's the next player oh damn all right last one next one next one is jaw morant oh job oh that's cool is it close damn it's john moran has supreme talent and he's surely unstoppable in so many aspects but in theory so bad in theory it should be a conversation

but we have not seen John Morant play consistent basketball in about a year and a half for various different reasons and I'm taking Jason Tatum because of that wow two to a two way guy two a guy as well so ah I feel like John Morant's become an underappreciated but it's also really quick that he gets overrated so it's a tough thing to gauge against versus Jason Tatum who's just like Jason Tatum so I don't know I mean listen at their best we're what they're both like the seventh to like 12th best player in the league like you know Jason Tatum's a lot safer pig we know Jason Tatum contributes to winning basketball in a way that fits around every other star John Morant we're still waiting for him to have his big

moment I think it'll come but Jason Tatum's earned this right he got to make it happen I knew I knew y I knew y'all were hating on Devin Booker man how just with how this conversation went y'all Hayden I knew it oh my god well that's the end of this segment and that's the end this episode. If people were so here, what should the comment, Donovan? Comment L bars. We're still on that. I still, I still, I can't get that out of my mind. I'm going to be thinking about it all week.

I think he's a rapper. It's awful. We'll see you all next week. Tune into the streams. I told you guys earlier than the beginning of the show. They're not going to be on Monday. They're going to be on Wednesday for the draft and Sunday for free agency. Tap in. And also tap into that crown-eater merch. Oh, crown-near-merch. There you go.