The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked EVERY Center In The NBA | Ep. 102

Episode Date: August 16, 2024

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Welcome back to the fifth week of ranking season. We've gone through every single position in the NBA. Point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward. And now we've arrived to the top 30 centers in the NBA. How are y'all feeling? This is the fifth? This means this is the last episode of this series. Damn, maybe.

Good job. Listen, this is the end of the position rankings potentially, but it's not going to be the end of ranking season. I'll tell you that. We still got some more in our bag to get to the off season. Don't tell them yet. I'll leave it there, but just expect some more rankings to be happening. Listen, I think, honestly, I was going through this list, and I was actually kind of surprised about how, like,

how easy this list was for me. I think after. Easy, really? Yeah, I feel like after point guards, this one, I felt like really, really confident about, about my rankings here and about where everybody's at. And it was also surprisingly, like, the center position had more depth than I thought it had.

Yeah. Like you'd think you think like you know a lot of other positions you have a lot of top in talent you have that with the centers But also you can get to like 25 and still be like oh that guy's pretty solid like he's pretty good Yeah I think like six through 10 the back half of that top 10 this was the hardest for me I don't really feel confident at all about some of the guys in there so I'll be willing to be convinced um people being moved around and normally I'm pretty confident aren't not open to being convinced Wow, that's surprising I feel like everyone's top 10 Or at least top like

Eight should be universal But we'll see what happens Top eight should be universal Yeah Dude there's like I think there's like 11 or 12 guys That deserve a top 10 spot That makes it hard

At the back half I think there's so many Rotation Biggs and different types of Bigs and different types of skillsets Like different smaller roles That I think we're going to have a very different back 10 Okay We'll see that. We'll see. If you guys are watching the YouTube, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe. We're on audio platforms. Rate us five stars. Leave a review. Follow us on all socials. Check out the merch. Check out of everything else. Yada. Yada. Let's get into the episode. You guys know how it goes by now.

We're going to reveal block by block of five players at a time going from 25 through 30 and 21 through 24 and so on until we get to the very top of the list. Let's jump straight into this. Who is up first in the first block? It's me. Donovan, okay. At 26, I have Dominating DeAndre Aton. Oh, my God. 27.

Starts off hating immediately. 27, I have Yonis, Valentunis. 28, I have Caban Luni. 29, I have Yusuf Nerkich. And at number 30, I have Nicola Vucevich. this is a record this is a TD3 record for the fastest ranking to get to fuckery

I have seen yet A-Nat 26 is pure Hating what are we talking about Why why why I need DeAndre Ait to show me a year and a half six months Of winning basketball

I have not seen I have nothing to do with him I have not seen DeAndre Aitin in a meaningful basketball game in several years. I have not seen him contribute to high-level winning in multiple years.

Do you think he had asked if he traded the blow-blazers? Them trailblazers? Do you ask for that? There's a reason why, listen, the sons were going through a whole bunch of turmoil. They said, right,

we all knew that it was a beef between A.N. and Moni Williams. And they made the choice, right? Normally, whenever you have a riff like that, you say either the player has to go or the coach. The coach left. And they still decided,

to trade DeAndre Hayton. They still said nobody else in this locker room on a team that just made in the finals. Nobody else really rocks with you like that. And you're going to go somewhere else. Even that entire period of him resigning for the contract, the sons didn't even want him. They waited to the absolute last possible moment to resign him. And they figured, hey, it's just bad asset management if we let him go to Indiana and not get anything back. So we're just going to get him, get him under contract. And then we're going to trade him. And that's exactly what happened. They didn't want him. You see him in Portland. You're a year, a year and a half into the rebuild. We already know he doesn't fit there. They're not going to want him. Where else

is he going to go that a team that is actually trying to win a championship is going to be like, yes, DeAndre A. And it's going to help us get there. It's not. The thing that should be a door dasher. What are you talking about? You're telling me the thing that bothers me. He can be on the same tier. He can work at TaskRabbit. He can work in TaskRabbit. Oh my God. Favor? A week by You know what I'm saying. Every week you get on the show and you force me to defend players. No, every week you get on the show and you force me to defend players, I don't give a fuck about. I don't give a shit about DeAndre Aiton, but you're talking about him.

Like, he's fucking Christian Wood. This is ridiculous. I'm saying that the vibes are bad with DeAndre Aten and the production for him is like, yeah, it's fine, but it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't move me. It really does not move me. All right. So what this means is, go ahead.

What this means is you didn't like watching the trouble buses last year, so you didn't like watching DeAndre Aiton. And you were like, ew, team bad, you're bad. Down the list. No, no,

it's not because I've felt this way for years. I felt this way for- You didn't put him a 26th so he was a trouble. No, because no. And the only reason why was because I was like, you know what? Let me try and keep the peace.

But I was sick of it this off-season. I watched the whole year. year of this and I was like now I'm standing on something today and I just there are 25 other guys we're right now toes and dog shit we're right now if I'm building a team and and I have a starting and I have a starting center and I have to pay them what they are quote unquote worth because I know everybody else is going to value DeAndre and if he was getting what I thought that he that he would deserve right the contract would be a little bit different but if I had to pay him I choose Deandre A in money no I do not want him on my team if I'm building a champion we're going to go player by player

from everybody else above this and you're going to tell me why you'd rather have them, DeAndre, I promise you, I will, I will do it. I will do it. This is gonna get real master. Definitely, Aiden had a very bad start

to last year and his PR was in the toilet because the Cherlblazers, again, nobody talks about it. The second half the year, he was doing great. He was 19 and 11 on 58% from the field. A lot better. It looked more like the Darren Jain

would come to know. But that first half of the year, nobody talks about it. Everybody blamed him and said Scoot sucks and kind of push their vitriol towards Aiton and Scoot, that team was so motherfucking unsurious last year, was so poorly coached.

Every single player on that team was running around, trying to get buckets, there was no organization. They were the worst coach team in the NBA outside of the Pistons. I don't entirely blame him for doing poorly. We know who he is. We've seen him for years. Do we? He does have the issues you're talking about.

Firmly the like 16th or 17th, middle of the pack center in the league. Very clearly, just above average, but not great, not horrible. What I think it is is that I feel like your expectations of him and you seeing him as like, you know, former one, number one overall pick is really like leaning on this. Like at this point in time, he's out to accept Dianne for who he is, what he is, and see the talent that he has, which is like, he's easily still one of the more talented centers in the NBA. But yes, he is.

What do you mean? I don't know about that, but I don't even think it's that necessarily. I think maybe it is part of that. You're right. But I think Donovan's biggest thing is he just wants to laugh at him for not going driving home through the ice He's not for not getting to the game

He's just focusing on that Stuff like that too for sure Focusing on the bullshit Tell me you watch DeAndre Hayton And get inspired I definitely get more inspired Than whoever you have 25 or 24 I can promise you that

And you get inspired Oh I'm I will run through a wall For Kavon Luni I would tell you that right now You are You are the only person You're the only person who ever said that

On planet Earth If Kvon Luni right now was like come on let's go play five on five i don't care who's on the other side we're running and we have a chance like i love kavan looney and i listen he's at he's at 28 he's still on this list even though that you know he may not starting to notice that you have something going on between you and kavon looney that's my guy i love kovar every year you rank comes significantly higher than us spoiler is not on my list like it's i don't think he'd be in my top 34 35 yeah like that's okay it's reaching that's okay

But I'm glad that you love him. Good for that. I won't be mad at you showing unnecessary love to rope. Don't forget. Don't forget. If Moe can rank Jaris Walker, right, a guy who plays 10 minutes a game, yes, Kavana Lune can be in the top 30. Okay.

Come on the show. Producing to kill pull the receipts. Last year out of our top 30 setters list, Donovan had DeAndre Adon at 8. Exactly. Over Rudy Gobert. What did I tell you? And what did I say? I was trying to keep the piece.

right I was a lot of peace I was because I didn't I didn't stand on how I truly felt about DeAndre Aitin and after this season listen I'm just letting you guys know how I feel about it and I went from having them the highest to the lowest by far no one told you to put him that high last year he did it on your own I know I know I did it do I regret that that decision yes I do right because I wasn't truthful to you guys and that's all that's all we're trying to be but I'm letting you know right now i believe this like i i firmly believe this and i believe you believe this too i don't think you're lying at all that's the funny part i 100% believe it to 26 is a disgusting

drop off man i don't ever see a drop off like that he's fine he's the same player history he's fine 26 to 8th 26 is so funny there's a rush drop off in a year there's like there's like two people above him where it's like all right like if you want if you want aton fine like you can you can sway me but and like everybody else so from like 22 on oh no i i i got him all right let's keep a move in let's see who else was in this year so we'll get to you eventually we're going to press you aiding some more sweet all right so at 26 i got mark williams 27. Daniel Gaffert, 28, Clint Stonehands Capella, 29, Vucevich, cool, 30, Yonis. I knew you would have Capella the lowest by far just because you're a Hawks fan and Hawks fans hate him.

I expected this. Yeah, I mean, I think he still has value. He's good at, like, being big and grabbing rebounds. But outside of that, like, I guess you can see some people still see him as a rim finisher, even though his finishing has, like, fallen off a cliff in terms of just like, like getting spoon-fed baskets. But in terms of being big, a lot of teams still see him valuable is just like truly infuriating when his defense has declined pretty dramatically.

And also like the finishing is not there. So pretty much like this rim running defensive menacing center who also provides rebounding is, has lost his value in two out of the three ways that like is what gets him paid. So at the end of the day, like he's immediately like not as valuable as center to me, bro. In 2023, Klincapella shot 70% at the rim

Which is pretty solid for a big It's nothing outrageous because a lot of bigs You know, just gets been fed dunks But it's cool What do you think he shot this year? This past year? Yeah I would say he shot like 57%

Not that bad, that'd be outrageous But it was 61 which is horrible for his role Still 4% off God damn that's a charge of this role Considering you have one of the best passes in NBA You're playing with one of the five best passes in NBA That is disgusting Yeah, I get it

I have him a little bit higher But I understand I think he's still a competent defender I don't think he's poor there But he's not the impactful shot blocker he once was That's for sure And like I just look at him next to Gafford And I'm like

I think I'd rather have Clint still He's just very reliable and very like You know you described him in a very like Bland way And I view that as more just like a safe He's a cool big you know what you can get from him So I can understand you've been a lower end Now in terms of just like

Like after watching like fucking however many games of Clint Capello play, you would think and assume that he's reliable on that front. Like, yeah, when it comes to just like banging with bigs down low, again, I said he's good at being big. But when it comes to guarding the pick and roll and all the niche things that you need in order for, in order to be successful with a deep, with the center who has that many deficiencies in his game, you bear a minimum need to be like not a negative on defense. And with a team that has Tray Young and that had Dejonte Murray last year, which is just a choices defensively, like you can. can only pick so many weaknesses and click a pelle was indecisive he wanted to be the weakness he wanted to be a weakness at everything uh you guys got valentunus down here that's cool i got him too shout out mark williams he's also on my list you guys both have vucevich i guess you can't show my next five vusovitch his ass did not make my list i can't believe

me jails he's a stretch five that does not stretch anymore nor does he play defensive any way nor does he finish well at the rim i don't know what he does well or above average anymore Name me a single skill set that Voo Switch is above average at. He's part of that being a fake shooter. There's not a lot of, there's a lot of big sick. Yeah, exactly. Baggitter. He gets a back.

Paper chaser. Exactly. He was off my list until I realized that I had written somebody's name twice. And then I was like, okay, like I guess, I guess you got it. Right. But he was always going to be like my last or first cut on this list. So yeah, if you don't have. Something I will say immediately about your list, Isaac, is that 200 something.

During that low, I'm not even that mad at because he has a real concerning issues about his game. We want to start in mass like immense potential. And now everyone's like regressed and like really like touched earth and seen look past by like all the physical attributes. Interesting. Hong Kong was way too damn low. He's way better than you. Yeah. Let me talk about this.

So this bottom five, I don't feel good about it at all. I moved last second. I have Valenciennes at 30. Then I was like, I have my 30 because I do not like. bigs that can't play defense unless you're the greatest offensive player we've seen at your position like yokech other than that i do not like centers i can't play defense so i was like valentunus's stone foot ass put him at 30 but then i was like okay i got to get past that bias of play style and appreciate some people's offensive skill sets trying not to let myself just like i hate on all these

non-shooting all these european bigs so i moved him up the last second but valentunas was 30 that's why he's there a kongwu man i am waiting i've been waiting for four years for him to become relevant. For four years, I've been saying he's promising. He's cool. He's talented. He's the big of the future there. Then why the fuck can't he beat out Stonehands,

Kleenkapella? Why the fuck can he build a role for himself and impact winning? He's supposed to be a strong defender. Why is their interior defense terrible every year? And why do they need the exact same player he is? But he never fills those holes for multiple coaches. I love the idea of him.

I'm not going to pretend he's been productive, super impactful like we hoped he could be. I think he's been impactful with the minutes given. the only issues that like the myths have been given and Trey Young is literally big like Clay Cappell is like Trey Young's guy for whatever reason I do not understand it They are homies and he loves playing with him

You know and I think he's a good he's good He provides downhill threat That's what it is that's really what it is What is what is what is what is what is Hongu's offensive role I understand the defensive value I like the mobility there It doesn't he okay so if you're gonna be a mobile big like him You still have to be an impactful guy at the rim

He hasn't wowed me there yet like I hope you would He's just like mobile. He almost feels like a tweener in the worst way there more than I thought he would be. Offensively, I just, nothing. He hasn't really turned into anything yet. So something that we did see, like him tried to develop in his game is the three-point shot. He's made real strides just showing it. And I think that is the real.

That's the only thing that will help him, like, ascend and be able to stay afloat. Because although, like, yeah, like he's six, nine can dunk, whatever. He's not a lot of threat. He's not a real vertical threat on a consistent basis, like some like Clint Coppell. who like who like really thrives with trey young and i think that's the reason why or one of the main reasons why he hasn't been able to see burn now of course injuries happen consistently with him too or at least specifically last year that kind of deterred his rhythm and whatnot but i generally think this is the year that we go ahead and turn a new page and his continued development in this

shooting continues can you the defense shows his because he's generally one of the better defenders at his position on the bench for now okay all these caveats he's not one of the better defenders than anything he's a promising cool young listen to that what do you mean he's not even that yes he's a promising he's a promising defender and I'm not

selling my stock I'm gonna say that I'm not out on him but in terms of what we've actually seen from him it's like Duren I'm not out on Duren either I think he'll become a decent defender right now he's a cone I think both of them I'm not out at all obviously Duren's younger so it's like there are different points right yeah I expect Dern to become a better

defender and defend the pick and roll with more brains and he'll fly out the list because his offensive skill set is really good. I also expect a Kongu to finally do the things that all of us NBA nerds that I've been saying he's going to be good for the past four years want him to do. I expect that to happen, but I'm not ranking on what I expect to happen next year. Of what we've seen these past years and his inability to impact the team that desperately needs that role, I just feel like I'd be being wishful thinking to put him to provide. I think it's less about him and more so about like, yeah, like, can we get Clint Capella out of here? also you can't tell me

like more than three things that use of Nurkish does better than Akongu on the court you can't it's impossible I love whatever he's a better protector he's a better passer

he's not a better protector he's definitely not a better protector Okongu I did have again let me say that okay that is wild to say you're wild for that Okongu is not the great verb projector

I feel so gaslit by this potential defensive with him I watch him like a lot I look at listen I've watched him I have not been wild by him like I've wanted to be

saying that he's having a use of Nurgits is disgusting above him, bro. That's disgusting. That's outrageous. It's almost as bad as as, nah, I was going to say as Aden, but no, it's not. I'm not going to lie like that. Yeah, you're a Hawks fan. I expect you to say that. Everybody who lives in reality, a Kong who's all potential, no production

yet. And I still believe the potential, but Nerkish is nasty. Again, I don't really give a fuck about that. You can put Nirkish lower. I don't, you know, I don't give a shit about Nurtage. I'm not going to argue for that. I'm not going to argue for that. I will not pretend there's a difference in 26 and 28. 26 and 28 are the same exact thing for me. I don't give a shit who's first.

You're getting flamed throughout this entire podcast. If I see a senior player, that is not fuckwood a convo. You're getting cried, buddy. Let's continue. Yeah, and you can have that. You know, I hope you're 10 points per game that he provides you every single year, eventually at least some wins. I love whenever we talk about the Hawks because Mo is a very, like, joking guy.

Mos Tongue is very serious. And he's like, no, you just don't understand. Every Hawk needs his attention. This seventh man on the Hawks, he's actually one of the 15 best players in the league. You just don't get it. I can't wait to see how high you put some. It's probably outrageous for what he's actually done. You guys just don't understand.

If Clint Capella sucks, why can't he beat him out? That's what it comes down to for me. Why can't he provide value? Then again, it's Clint Capella. His big ass is just good at being big and taking up space. That's it. That matters. So is Nurkish.

Like being big and grabbing rebounds and being able to play competent drop coverage matters. Okongwu plays great drop coverage. Way, stop talking about the 28 best center. A Kongu's issue was offense. A Kongu's issue was offense. offense. If you can't be a lop threat next to Tray Young, you can't play. And that's important to have offensive value. You either have to be a lot of threat. I know he shoots well at the rim, but like you said, you know, he's not a big pick and roll threat. He doesn't provide,

you know, the lack of size there. He's only 6-9. And he can't stretch the floor. And he's not a good passer. Where's the offensive value coming from? He's not a good offensive rebounder. Like, where are we going to find value? I think the passing is at the yard. You're generally off with that a little bit as well. But I'm just going to let you bypass that because I don't expect you to know that stuff. It's not going to show on the stats. I know what this guy is. No one knows that. I, he is, he is not a great passer. I'm not going to pretend that he's just going to

bounce past the cutter. I'm not going to pretend he's a great passer because he's a fucking hawk. No, I'm not, I'm not going off a statue. And when it comes to just like being a good connective piece and not being like Clint Capella on that end of the floor who's just like knows one way. Sure, sure, yeah.

And only when like he is more versatile on that end. But we don't get me, I'm not saying he's, we don't need to suck on this. We don't need to give us all on. I'm not saying he's fucking blind as a pastor. Like he's just like a black hole. He's just not like a passing hub. like a heartenstein or whoever that provides value there that is true he is not that but also he's not blind include he was blind yeah yeah sure sure i just made his passing is a good

enough to make up for the other ways that he hasn't really developed offensively sure still again you're getting fried let's continue go ahead next year okay you can fry it now you can compare at 21 to 25 at 21 i have yaku potal 20 go back at 22 i have niccolo uh I can't read at 22 I have Zubotch 23 Mark Williams 24 Gafford and 25 Capella Hmm I don't I don't have any I really don't have any complaints I think this is a very solid is it's a it's a very solid list like obviously mode like you think Capella is a tier below this but like again he's he's fine um Zubach shout out shout out to you I feel like every year we're we're just gonna get to

Zubrat, and it's like, you know, you know what you do. Like, hey, like, listen, you're very good. Exactly. You're still hanging around. He is, he is very good. And especially, like, whenever he plays, now that James is there, like, them working in the pick and roll, like, he is, you know, like impactful in there. So I like that.

Shout out to, to Yacopold still making this list, right? We didn't forget about you, right? That's very cool. But, no, I don't. Everybody else did, bro. He got shunned to Canada. He hasn't been talking about once. Exactly. Jake Puddle.

Okay. Never forget. Shout on Jake Puddle. Yeah, Zubach is hard to rank because he's like the quintessential, like, saw the above average setter. We're like he's to do everything very fundamental. Gonna have flashes, gonna have some series where he can't defend the opposing point cards to attack him. Like it's, he's like the quintessential modern big man, right? That has a ups and downs. He's like the evolved version of like Yusuf Nerkitz before he like broke his life.

I was thinking the same thing. He's like a little bit better Nerkitz. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Same as that vibes. It's like such a respectable center. If you have a running team, you're not going to hunt to upgrade that position necessarily. But at the same time, too, like he's a solid dude.

Also, Mark Williams, I like the placement as well. It was so hard to rank him because, like, we know what he could be in the future, but the injuries really hold him back on a consistent basis. So it's tough. Yeah, he played 18 games last year, which is not a lot. So I'm definitely giving him betting for the doubt. But I think he deserves it, right? He's going to be very, very great player.

He has the wingspan to eventually be a really good shot blocker. he's an outrageous rebounder already he's a lob threat I think he'll immediately have a big contribution next year yeah the blueprint is already set in stone for him and he's already like gloving and fit with like what lamella ball does and Miller does as well

I think he's the longest wingspan in the NBA besides Wembe really yeah his wingspan is outrageous like 7-5 god damn okay that's crazy no no no a d's wingspan is like 7-6 can't be the longest or maybe it's an AG AD yeah

I could be Oh AD Let me see It's so interesting Mark Williams wingspan You can show the next year Our next person We got

We got Mo Mark Williams is a 7 6 and a half Wingspan Oh my God That's disgusting What's Anthony Davis Okay I don't know

I'll go ahead and read mine off Why I give us this fun fact So at 21 Mitchell Robinson 22 Isaiah Hartenstein 23 Jakopoto

who'll do 24 Duren I wish I put him lower And 25 Robin Williams Robert Robert my bad

Robert Williams Good player Good player When he's healthy He's just never So the thing is He hasn't had A healthy

Two weeks in the past two and a half years So I did not rank him But if you want to rank 2021 Robert Williams Shout out you He's on this list That's her guy

Yeah I loved him When he was healthy but yeah you know i'll look past some injuries but i have a feeling he's just like cooked forever so i didn't rank him yeah this is honestly the last opportunity to whoever like probably have to be on anyone's list so i just wanted to go and give him to shine had a great career shout out him man i forgot mitchell robinson exists so he's not on my list he got hurt so i don't blame you i think hard and sign is better though um i think they're similar value overall they just do a lot of different things they're like so different for sure

yeah definitely the kind of polar opposites one's the vertical traditional big gets to like lob threat block shots hard and signs like real finesse passing hub so i can see what i'd be debatable yeah yeah i agree but okay let's see let's see donovans all right let's see my mind 21 nick clackston oh my god 22 i've i've jacob at 23 i have clint 24 i have jell and during 25 i have zubachshund what do you forget about he's forget about by who why is claxon at 21 there's just some it's a bit low there's just some guys above them that i just personally like no you hate claxon no claxon's a medice no he he is he is he is good um listen i I got to look at who else I had in the in the cheers above them.

So when I think of Nick Fox and I see a lanky, skinny dude who's a defensive menace who has slight chops of ball handling through transition, which is just uber valuable. Yeah. But really when I see him, I see his ridiculous, like, ability to switch and just like not be phased or schemed out of any coverage unless it's like one-on-one banging out with yokechard and bead, but no one can stay in with him.

You know what? he's exactly who the hawks wanted a congo to be like if a congo could develop in a claxon obviously the size difference there maybe it's not exactly fair but if he can develop into offensively defensively and claxon does that's that's what you want to see from him next year yeah he just simply doesn't have the handle that claxon has and also he doesn't have the length or the verticality so

that's a tough combination to be smaller and less agile that's what I'm saying like this is not who we wanted him to be like class is just a different player it'll be nice yeah by 6-9 he should be able to handle the ball a little bit people call them bam out of bio I think that was kind of racist

they just saw 6-9 dude who's kind of who's like kind of African like okay it is little racist but it's also but also like he needs to be able to have those type of skill sets of that size

most definitely most definitely okay we're no more call Kongo slander I like him I don't know why you dug me into this whole but then I don't dislike you this year I dislike his list here I dislike his list here

I dislike his list. I think Claxton should be a lot. Yeah, Claxton is too low. Yeah, because he's generally like, I think he's going to see a couple all defensive NBA teams.

Thought is green for sure. I don't hate that. He just, we just got to see him with a good team, right? Like, it's tough to imagine that that's not going to happen for a while with the Nets, right? He's not going to that recognition playing with that bottom feeder team. Yeah.

I really wish he would have walked this summer. Remember when before Katie left, he was in general defensive player of the year conversation, that Claxon. And then the second that he left, He was still doing his thing. Nothing really changed. Katie just gone, all the eyes left, and Brooklyn became a relative.

That's the only thing with Nick that changed with Nick Classen. PR is in the hole. Yeah. People also sleep on his rim scoring. Like, he's a very skinny guy that doesn't strike you as just, like, dominant blob threat. But he shoots like 77% at the rim. Like, he's close to the top of the league in that regard. He's great.

Plus, he got aura. How could you? Plus he's pretty. There you go. He has pretty points. Pretty privileged. It counts. All right, we can move on to the next tier.

We'll see where we have Claxton. Mo, who's your 16 through 20? Okay, so 16. I wanted to put him higher, but I couldn't. Derek lively. 17, Zubach, solid dude can never go wrong. You know what he is, and he's consistent. 18, Aiton, middle of the range, 19.

Window Carter, Jr. and 20 on Yaku, Kongu. I hear scoffing. Yeah, Kongu's too high, but I don't, if you're going to be on the hill, I respect it. Carter Jr. is another person that he could, models game after I like that than being close to each other if that's the way you view him I like lively at 16 okay lively at 6 now he he could be he's going to be so much higher next year I think we saw him do in his rookie year again like he played with lucid don't so his job offensively is so

much easier but the passing that he was able to provide the rebounding and also the defense it's something that is one of the better skills that he had in the entire NBA along his peers and also like just at the center precision point blank period they brought in guys like daniel gaffer because they wanted like a real starting center who wouldn't be phased out through any you know real situation and derrick lily ended up surpassing him pretty quickly and to see his growth in just like from game one to like game 50 is absolutely insane now again he's playing with luca don's job is a lot easier but the passing to me is what sets him apart and also the defense yeah it was we've seen a lot of big sports

play with Luca Donchitz. It's not a given that you become one of the most productive centers in a playoff series just because you play with Luca Donchitz, right? He had the exact skills that needed to compliment that and that's not as easy as it seems. Yeah, I agree. I don't, I feel like when the Carter Jr., he could be higher. That's, I struggle with the rank in him, bro. I had him higher last year. He had such a weird year where you got hurt and the magic employed such a strange rotation of their big man. They really deprioritized him this year and really went to like center by committee after his injury happened. They play a lot of Goga.

They play a lot of Mo Wagner. They play Jonathan Isaac at center now. Like Carter just kind of went to the back burner and it didn't hurt his efficiency or really any of his numbers outside of like minutes and like raw counting stats because of those minutes. But I don't know. Maybe it just maybe it's biased to that. But he didn't feel as impressive this year.

Everybody is going to have their guy where like their situation got worse. And like you're still going to be like, no, but he's still the same player. Like for me that that's kind of what that's Wendell. I don't know. I have him just, you know, just like a little bit higher. Not like, you know, he's obviously not top 10,

but I mean, I certainly have him over, over Aitin and Zubach. I'll say, I'll say that. I do, I do think that like what he provides is,

is more valuable than Aiden and in Zubach. Hayden is so much better than you think, man. I need Aiden to be freed from that fucking team. I can't wait until they trade him and prioritize Klingin so we can see Aiden actually

be with a point guard that'll feed him easy shots. Nah. Nah. You don't want to say that you don't want to see him suffering i don't i don't let's look at the next person on this list we got me at 16 i have heartenstein 17 miles turner 18 nazreid 19 nick claxton 20 carter junior this was an incredibly tough range this and the next like four names are so close together

like heartenstein turner reed and claxon all have a range of like 12 through 19 to me like it's very hard to place them yeah honestly when you You, yeah, I think that's, that's the perfect tier from like, from like 12 to 20, really. Because at this point, you are not getting like top and center play. And it really is just about what does the rest of your team look like? Who's, who's going to come in and play the five? What kind of style are you trying to play? And it, it 100% is fit based.

And so I don't, yeah, I, listen, obviously, I love Hardinstein being, being that high. I like the fact that you didn't really get caught up in the Nasreid PR stuff. he's he's great now nons reed is awesome but um yeah putting him yeah at like 12 he's very fun and cool to see a center play like that and be like a guard skill guy and shooting all these shots that he's not the most efficient score in the world because of that right he's not the dominant down low guy you get from other big so there's give and take with that scoring skill set defensively he's a mixed back he has really high highs like he's i remember that one game against the nuggets whenever they didn't have go bare and they blew the nuggets out in the conference

finals and I mean a second round Nasree was defending like better than I've seen anybody defend all year it's Timberwol's fans are the first thing to tell you that's not exactly a game to game thing with him so he has a very specific skill set that's extremely valuable but you look at a guy like Hardinstein that was a comparison to me that like

okay let me not even focus on that comparison me focus on Hardinstein alone he's so hard to gauge because I think he's sneakily one of the most valuable players on this list because his passing is so valuable if you look at all the Knicks players from last year their efficiency with Hartonson on the court versus off is like insanely different

I think it was Jaylen Brunson his mid-range shooting and rim scoring went up by like 7% east for Hartnstein on the court because he's such a good screen setter such a good high post passing hub that he just helps his guys get into better spots even if you don't think he's like the best score in the world or the best defender which I do think he's solid

at those that passing skill set is incredibly important I mean the thunder are going to eat man they're gonna be so good going from chet hongren to heartenstein is going to be like it's going to give them so much like just so many off so many options their offense is going to be so so dynamic and then just picture like picture heartenstein at the top of the key doing all you know the dhro the screen setting stuff with shay and j wood oh my goodness it's going to be fantastic i i miss him already i miss

him already man he's incredible man like that combination is me so versatile to play one of them at all times or both of them together to really throw crazy looks like it's gonna be nuts uh who else is in this tier claxton you won't put them higher i don't if you want to put them towards the top of this tier into like 14 and 15 i would understand it's just like these other guys are all good defenders too like turner is like also a good defender albeit not the shot walker he used to be yeah yeah yeah but sure the shot block he fell off but he's still not a bad defender you can tell me claxes a better defender cool turner's three point shooting is really valuable like that spacing from a big is really important. Like, it's like baby

Kristops Porzing is there. So that's splitting hairs. I'm okay with switching them. I'm definitely okay with putting claxon of Nasreed if you want to do that. I just try to give them credit for being the most important bench big in the league. But on the Hardinstein, Claxton, putting a hardenset of a clax and stuff. I mean, vice versa. It's hard for me to put claxon over

Hardinstein. It's not, okay. I can understand you and you're not going to get fried for this, but it's just really like I have my skillet right here. But I just see Nick Claxton, and I see someone who has, who can say he's one of the best at something in the entire NBA for his, like, just point in blank period. And I don't see that in any of these guys outside of maybe like, you know, Nazareid and Miles Turner to be able to, their ability to shoot at their position.

I think, yeah, and that's what it is. Yeah. And if that's what it is like, okay, I get it. But I think Nick Claxton has just like superior upside. and he did just better things last year it just happens to be like no one really cares and I understand that thoroughly

I just think it's okay putting him above Nazridin Turner yeah if I could redo us I'd probably flip that there's so many of these like close conversations that we rank these and we were doing like fucking 20 comparisons trying to flip all these different things

that some of them get on the back burner I would if I could redo it I put claxon up to 17 right behind Hardinstein it's like all these players have gaping holes specifically in their games but they'd still find ways to be like Almost unplayable.

Yeah. Okay. Donovan, who's your five here? All right. At 16, I have Wendell. At 17,

I have Wendell. At 17, I have Al Horford. At 19, I have Zach Edy. He's already on the list. And at 20, I have Isaiah

Hardinstein. Isaac has swayed me. He's talked for the last couple of months about how good Zach Ede is. And I was a skeptic. And I guess, listen, I've heard it so many times.

Starting to believe it, man. I really think that Zach, like, I'm on the Zach D train. I think that he is going to be one of the best bigs in the league next year. I think that the situation for him, one, just because of how Memphis plays and the fact that you have Jared Jackson Jr. who can play, who can play the four and play the Romer, and you can just have Zach Edy, just be big. Like, we were talking about the difference between Capella and Ocongwu, and it's like,

hey, he's, he's just big and takes up space. Zach Edy is the ultimate. I'm big, and I take it. up space kind of guy and that's going to be extremely valuable and the fact that he's like seven five two you know whatever the screens that he sets they're going to be stephen adams like they're like job job being better exactly job being able to play with stephen adams and then go from that to Zach edie he's going to have as much of a a runway to get to the rim as possible those dhos all everything that he does that two main game is going to be fantastic he's going to

to be a lot for it. You just have to put your hand up and throw it up there. It's very hard for for me outside of obviously like injury. It's hard for me to see a situation where Zach he doesn't work out in Memphis and where he isn't an instant impact player. So yeah, I'm putting him every year. Every year it seems you find a way to break the rules and list a rookie and I respect it because this one is facts. You're going to be right. It's I like the Stephen Adams comparison. He is super soldier serum Stephen Adams. The hardest screens in the world. Going to be maybe the best offensive rebound at the position, like immediately, I think.

You combine that, you know, he's going to be setting these heavy-ass screens and rolling to the rim while everybody's chasing John Morant. That's going to leave him on cleanup duty to grab every single offensive rebound with that game-breaking wingspan. Obviously, the question is, can he move enough defensively on the perimeter to, you know, stay on the court? We'll see. But the strengths are going to be so outrageous. I think he'll be higher as a rookie. So many players. Like, I love the term just, like, good at being big.

Because that's like, people, some people may hear that and be like, oh, that's so offensive. But generally not. Like, that's a real skill that is super valuable. And Zach Edy is the best at being big, you know? Like, anything can be big. Like, there's a huge, huge ass couch in the living room right now, but it's just, like, useless because it's just, like, there. And it doesn't, like, have any accessories or tools in its bag.

It doesn't have a USB, don't have, like, a cup holder. It don't kick back, you know? Zach Edy, there's a lot of those things that he provides. He's, like, maximize so far already throughout his, like, collegiate. career being big. He's so useful. Yeah. That's a Bluetooth couch right there. It's built in speakers on both sides. Chilled massages on a yes too. That's a chill cup department there. You put the cup in there. It stays cold all day, no matter what type of container it's in. Love it. Great couch. Feet up. Full verticality. Full horizontal lean. That's that

that's that yeah. So listen, Zach Edy, he's he's going to eat next year. Um, Nasreed, we already talked, We already talked about it. Why is the Hoverthorfford there? Respect to Al Hhorford. Shout out of Hortford. Respect to Al Hhorford. All right. Everybody, I think that's something that's lost in our culture nowadays.

You need to respect your elders. All right. Okay. All right. Al Hortford is out here. Also, listen, and I know that like he was getting cooked in the playoffs. I understand that. He should not be, you know, up at the top of this list.

You can go down to like 26 and there's still some guys who are out here. you're getting cooked on defense and I think that like if you have that and you have out Horford still being able to be smart enough to be you know solid defensively and he can still stretch the floor shooting above 40% from three last season that that's value if you can be a mid defender and still stretch the floor in that way that's that's cool and if you're if you're telling me that on any other team you're probably slotted for around like 25 26 minutes per night yeah I'm cool with that so you can you can be up there

you won't get me to sign or old man at L but yeah I respect my elders too there you go man yeah I'm surprised you have Hardinstein the lowest here Moe did you already list Hartonson? I don't think I listed him already but I literally could be wrong I believe I have him a little bit higher let me okay yeah so I'm surprised

Donovan has Hardinstein the lowest is it just like No actually I did actually I did had Hartnstein at 22 I would have moved them up Oh yeah you're a super tripping okay I don't know who I don't know who I a while I would have moved but he deserves to be more middle in the pack for sure I don't know I said that's that's fine that's fine I said question ease cross your toes

but the guys the guys I'm trying to restrain myself from saying somebody's named I've said too many times before maybe I'd move like window card but yeah don't keep slander him don't keep slander him don't keep slander him okay yeah okay we move on the next year let's go to the top 15 let's see who's in the top Paph. Donovan, who was your 11 through 15? At, at 15, no, at 11, I have cat, 12, I have

Sangoon, 13, I have Brooke Lopez, 14. I have Miles Turner. 15, I have Derek Lively. Oh, this is an interesting tier, which is actually kind of... Cat outside the top 10. Yeah, I'm... I get why. You can explain it some more. I think I understand why, but it's crazy. I mean, I do this every year, but like, I just, I'm just don't want to sign up for the cat experiment and I don't even think it's an experiment at this point because we know exactly what he is and he did he had very very good moment to last year and he legitimately played in a way that made the Timberwolves actually worked like I thought going into last season that the that the wolf should have traded cat because I didn't think that he fit and he was able to change his to

change the game and to do things that I didn't think he was capable of in terms of playing defense fitting up fitting offensively doing all that stuff at the end of the day he is still car and the towns and when you need him to score buckets when you need him to be that secondary scoring option or even you know tertiary in some cases i don't think you're you're going to get that from him and the defense is not the defense is not great like you can get you can get really really high highs from cat but i think that those are going to be the standout moments from his career because you're not going to get a lot of them and you're probably going to be more frustrated because of shot selection and decision making at the end of games you're going to be

more frustrated with with defensive issues and I just I can't look at cat and say that he is top 10 but he did improve last season and he is a better player than what he was but top 10 is I think for this one for cat specifically if we have to just do comparison by comparisons I think we got to save the cat discourse until we see who you have above him and you can like explain why because a lot people are going to see the glaring skills of cat and be like how did you put him lower so I think it'll be important that you'd like know like I'd rather have Jared Allen because of this reason or whatever yeah yeah I'll say that a little bit I like some good to 12 he deserves to be the top of this year I think can't break him in the top 10 yet like some rocket's fans would

hope but he's knocking on those doors true 100% it's very like it's also very interesting and I know the Rockets fans are there I am also on this on the strain of going into next season can we not fool ourselves into thinking that the Rockets are going to have some dynamic duo of Jalen Green and Sengoon. You have Sengoon, you have a really, really good player, and you have a trade asset. And that is exactly what you have. You are not going to have this one-two punch going there. He's the guy that you guys need to build around.

He's the guy that offensively can do stuff. And I was lucky enough to see him literally at his best, score a career high, 45 points on Wembe, just throwing his shoulder around and that Georges Nying built body. And we're just getting, he is, he is really, really good offensively. And I think that the Rockets, like, they were, they were 41 and 41 last year. They should be in the playing next season. And a lot of it is going to be because of Sangoon and his growth. Okay.

Man. Him throwing blobs to amend Thompson on cuts, Reed Shepherd running off the screens and catching his passes for corner threes. There's so much to like there once they clear up the roster clutter they have right now. They're going to be one of the more fun young teams to watch. For sure, without a doubt. And it all starts to singuine his ability just to see things on the court

that the average center can't see. And like some people will want to put him higher, like he's the closest thing to Yokic, oh and so. It's hard. Being the closest thing to Yokish doesn't necessarily make you close to Yokic. Because he has such an outlier skill sets to make up for his weaknesses

that these other guys like Sabona and Gung whoever else in this play style don't have that ridiculous interior touch and size to make up for the lack of defense that it's just less valuable of a archetype, I think. Yeah, I can agree with that Of course, it should be the easiest thing

That everyone should be able to agree with Because Yokic is one of the best pastors Arguably like the best pastor That we've ever seen Point Blake period And Sangoon Like he's nice But you can't say he's one of the like

Five 10 best pastors in the entire NBA You know I think his passing is actually He's, I think his passing is actually the thing That's translated least about his game From him as a prospect People really thought he would be out here Being like a crazy pastor

Because his highlights when he's playing overseas were nuts he was done behind the back ridiculous shit he's still a good passer right he's not like bad or anything but i feel like his value is more as a score and as a hub right he keeps about moving but i don't think like the elite passing at the top tier of like truly creating plays and finding really crazy passing goals and stuff i don't think it's quite translated as much as people expected yeah he's not he can he can create but he's not creating something out of nothing the way that like yeah the way that that a yokic or a luka can where everybody's covered but there's like you know 0.5 millimeters of space and they're getting the ball in there yeah he's a very good

pass for his position though he when he was healthy he was super important for creating three-point shooting opportunities for his teammates when he got hurt they took off and were really good still because jalen green turned into six five don't from mitchell but once that slowed down towards the end of the year you started to see that oh they really need him to create shots otherwise they have nothing yeah facts okay who's who's next next up we got uh me at 11 I got Jared Allen Oh, that hurts This was so tough It was so hard

We just talked about it on the stream I said he's gonna be my top 10 I tried so hard But I couldn't justify it without bias Jared Allen's 11 Sangoon is 12 Brooke Lopez is 13 Derek lively is 14

And DeAndre Aten is 15 Oh man Jared Allen You gotta put him in the top 10 It's very tight I mentioned I said the back half of my top 10 I feel horrible about

I don't feel good about it This includes 11 because seven through 11 are tough yeah I mean I moved I moved a lively down one spot I had my 13 at first I wanted to put lively extremely high but I had to be a little reasonable I guess yeah like our lists are you know pretty similar so I don't really have any any like real gripes about it outside of Allen but obviously like we'll get to that because spoiler alert he's in my top 10 yeah obviously I have eight and 11 spots higher than you so I think we have quite the difference of opinion on this guy I will Kevin's botty is absolutely hilarious. That would be the biggest gap on any's list? No, it's the biggest gap in TD3 history. Like one year... Besides non-listed guys.

Yeah, besides non-listed guys. Absolutely. I don't care about that. But like where you have Singul and Lopez, Aiton, we just need to roll into mine. Yeah, I see Moes and we'll talk about it more. Okay, cool. So you guys see who I left out of my top 10. We each had to leave someone out.

And me personally, I am surprised that I'm the first one to leave him out. But he, Sabonis is that number 11. Claxton is that number 12. 13, Nasreed, 14, Miles Turner. And 15 is Brooke Lopez. You got on me for Miles Turner's defense being down a little bit and you put him way higher than I did. Yeah, because he'd be pulling that thing. That's why.

Yeah, exactly. Like, he's been on the trading block for Indiana for like the last five years and we just can't trade him because he just does. so much that no other center no not knowing it but not many centers can do so i'm just like yeah yeah it's definitely important for their scheme to have a stretch five and they know that yeah i respect i can put him this high because the defense doesn't move me it definitely it definitely got a lot worse compared to the last few years i respect you for having 30 at 12 though i said i respect you for having claxon at 12 and like standing and like like like standing firm on the fact that like he hasn't gotten worse over the minute wait a minute wait a minute what

Do you have Sangoon above Sabonis? I cannot confirm or deny just yet. Oh my God. I cannot confirm or deny just yet. All right. So obviously we all know I'm the biggest sub bonus hater here. I had him at 11 as well at first. I mentioned earlier with Jonas Valchunis,

I moved up last second because I tried to like, I felt like I'm too biased against poorly defending centers. And I feel like I don't appreciate their offensive skill set enough in these conversations, at least. We're talking who we actually want on our team. I don't want some bonus on my team, period. I don't think his archetype I can win with in terms of what you've got to allocate to him,

the responsibility. He needs the ball in his hands, all this stuff. I straight up do not think you're winning a championship with him at any point in his career. But for ranking players, we have to respect skill set and ability and the talent at least a little bit. And he's obviously outrageously talented offensively.

I don't think it matters for high level winning. But he has value there, so I put him in the top 10, but just no, it's just barely. I think you just finally just try to like face your demons and I think you just try to face demons that didn't exist when it comes to Sabonis. How could you look people in the face and say

Jared Allen is a better basketball player in Sabon except for what Sabonis has earned? He's earned a right to me in the top 10. Fair, but I don't want to say he see through him as a player, but I'll say this. I'll say this. I see through. I do see through him as a player, but I still think he earned it.

Okay, so question, who would you have a easier time trying to build a championship team around this player? Sabonis or Sangu. I choose Singung. because he can actually shoot the ball. And he allows, yeah, he, he doesn't. Sabonis doesn't do a look at it at. Yeah.

So, okay, I think long term Sangun would be a decent shooter, so I'm with you there. But like last year, if we're going just off what we've seen so far, Sanguon is a good mid-range shot. The three-point shot hasn't really materialized. So for this list specifically, that doesn't change it for me. But in terms of long-term, I can understand if that's why you want to go with him. Yeah, exactly.

And that's why I was like, okay, Sabonis, like, you're a great dude. I love how he bang it down though and puts elbows into people we see that he's like basically bulletproof because he could take a chest stomp to the chest but I like Sangu more I'm just leaving at that

all right man Nasreed real high listen to shout out Nasreed you won't get me slandering him Brooke Lopez that's interesting I think people would probably be surprised we all have in top 15 still because last year I think the perception is he fell off and I think that's a bad perception

I think this is another guy who was just in a war situation, right? They came in with a new coach who decided to play more aggressively and not do the traditional drop coverage that Brooke Lopez has made a career off of while also not having Drew Holliday anymore as his pick and roll partner. So he the team is doesn't fit him as well as it used to, but I think he's just as good at pretty much everything as he was a year before. I mean, I agree. Listen, you said it perfectly. You still pulling that thing as well, the shop blocking. Still splash mountain. You love pulling that thing? Yeah, like shot blocking is still there. It's not, it wasn't as

astounding. But defense overall wasn't astounding, but that's just the Milwaukee Bucks and they suffered on literally every single end because of the roster changes that was made in injuries and all of other stuff. So I think it's so super valuable. Okay, so this next year when we get into the next back half of the top ten, we'll do a lot of comparisons

this is a bonus and cat, since y'all let them off. We'll have to explaining people why we left off these talented players. Let's do it. Let's go to the next tier. First off is me. Okay, again, this is the one I'd not feel good about, but I'm interested to see what you guys think at six i have rudygobert seven i have chad homgren which i know people call me a thunder glazer they're going to be mad at that blah blah blah blah fuck off at eight i have

christos porzingis nine carl anthony towns and ten subonis i understand i understand the uh the nine in ten i genuinely do get why you put those guys there this is again this is just a personal thing. Those two guys just can't play on my team. But there's, but there's 29 other team that that you can't play on. Right. Exactly. They can't play on my team either, but I respect their ability to play on somebody else's team. And at a certain point, you have to talk about overall value, not just what you think matters to winning. Like, there's like, we had to balance talent with value, right? So I got to give him somewhat of an odd. I feel better about Carlin towns here. I think last year he did prove that he can be a tertiary player. His defense was better.

he really people don't give enough credit for him adapting to power forward before the Rudy Gaubert experiment started his entire offensive game was built around one he does a pick he sets the screen he can pop right these bigs who play drop coverage can't come out with him he's shooting a lot of threes

if they do come out with him carlton talents is really fast and really good at blowing by the center when they attack the perimeter to defend the three and he'll beat you with the drive that's how he scored 60 against yakopo the one time a few years ago just blowing by him every single time he closed out

in these threes that's that was a like the entirety of Katz's offensive approach. He was as much of a post guy as people think. It was really shoot threes and attack closeouts. That becomes so much harder when you have Rudy Gobert down low. That's why the first year together, he looked terrible. We were talking about trade conversations because his entire offensive approach was completely nerfed by putting this giant behemoth down low to clog out the space. So for him to adapt to that, learn how to play offball more, learn how to pick his spots, kill you as a cutter, do the two-man game with him and Goberra, both in the court at the same time, to high-low stuff. Extremely

impressive and shows a portability to his game that I didn't really expect there to be. So I actually, I like him as an offensive weapon to, to like deploy in interesting ways more than I thought I did. Question. This is not a question for me, but I know people will have some issues about this. Not me, though. Why do you have quarantine towns that much lower compared to Rudy O'Bair? Because he's the DPLI and he's the best rep protector in the league.

And I know a lot of people, it's a common narrative that Ridicobar gets played off the core. He can't play defense in the playoffs. He gets exposed. None of that is even a little bit true. All of that is the worst narrative ever and it's just like a good lip-miss test for do you know what you're talking about?

He has his weakness is obviously. I actually, actually, defensively, I think that's all stupid, all of it. Like, it's not even a little bit smart. But this past playoffs, I did come around offensively. I think you guys swayed me a little bit offensively in terms of his lack of ability to finish

of the rim and have any touch at all is actually a problem. I've really realized that offensively, this guy sucks. And I wasn't really quite willing to admit that. In a playoff setting, his offense is a problem. So I'm with you guys there. If he gets played off the court, it's usually because of offense. But I think the end of the day, the defensive value brings, even just regular season, to be a walking top five defense everywhere you go is incredibly important.

I would say the only gripe that I have is, like, proscenous over towns. And that's mainly just because like Prozinius and injury history for me personally, great player. And in terms of just like theoretically speaking, he is the easier player to build around and he is the easier player to just like

imagine playing with any other any other player in the entire NBA. I agree with that. And I'm also proud of you for putting Ted Hongrum above Chris out Prozinius because that's right. That's facts right there. Yeah, obviously about putting him above Rudy Gober. I had to contain myself.

Hmm. You shouldn't have done. that. I was like, listen. Honestly, I don't think it would be crazy, but Rudy Gobert deserves it. Like, he's truly that level of defender. People slander him. I know he's not likable. I know he's the worst three-time DPOI ever, all the stuff. Nobody's going to jump to defend him. No, he's the worst. Four time. He's at four. Yeah, that's crazy. He's a special defender. Like, I understand the joy people have and watching him fail. I don't really have that. I think he deserves it.

I expect it. It's kind of white. It's all good, though. And number six, I have Rudy Gobert. Number seven, I have Chet Holmgren. Number eight, I have Jared Allen. Number nine, I have Christophezzanis. And at number 10, I have Sabonis.

For, listen, honestly, Isaac, I think our one through seven is going to be the exact same. And I had the same issue where if you honestly ask me, I think I might want Chet Ongren over over over over go bear but because Chet's playoff run was also like at least offensively was also just as bad as as go bears you can't you can't go ahead and do that like there's still there's still areas of Chet's game where he has to he has to improve he's still he's never going to be 270 pounds right he's never going to be this like behemoth of a center but he still has to get a little bit stronger he has to be a little bit more physically imposing where Rudy's skinny but Rudy's still strong and he can he can at minimum go out there

still get you 13 rebounds like that that's stuff I'm glad you brought this up that stuff matters I forgot to mention this chet isn't higher so I think right now chet is the most underrated defender in the NBA I think it's kind of a fucking travesty that he wasn't on an all defense team because the voters wanted to make the second team like all guards and make sure guards are on there and have the representation chet a thousand percent deserves to be all defenses past year he walked into this league and made the Thunder a top defense overnight. The only difference in roster than them being like 11th in defense

to second and third all year was Chet Holmgren. He is that level of defender. If it wasn't for Wembe being maybe the best defensive prospect you've ever seen, we'd be talking about Chet as the next big future DPOI.

It would be like, the way we talk about Evan Mowley where we were like, oh, is it going to be in Tim Duncan convos as a defender? This should be Chet. Chet is in that tier of prospect as well. And yeah, I didn't put him

as high offensively because as a rookie he had those size issues that you're mentioning Derek Lively ate his fucking lunch Use that size mismatched immensely So if we're just going off what we saw No we're gauging off who they were last year He has those weaknesses

I don't think they're going to be weaknesses very much longer I think they're going to do a better job utilizing him As a ball handler as you know Creating for himself and others with a ball in his hands He's very slept on with that skill set And yeah he'll put on more weight He'll get stronger he'll learn a little more But yeah you can't put him in the top six or so

Because of those reasons Yeah not now going into next year be 100% well listen he's in the south now all right he has to get ready to eat right you you get you get him on a southern diet send him to to crack a barrel and you know all that he'll be you'll be okay but but yeah so i have so yeah so go bear at six hungry and at seven Jared Allen at eight i think that Jared i think that Jared Allen and this is the reason why i put cat at 11 and this is the reason why i put a bonus at 10 where yes talent wise they are better than Jared Allen.

But when you get in this range, being able to, like, actually contribute to winning and being so good that you have to be, like, placed on a team at a certain level, that you have to get certain responsibilities, it starts to, you know, to take away from what you can actually do well. Like, so bonus is so good that he has to be your first or second, you know, initiator of offense. and but whenever that's the case you're not going to go far like there's a very very clear limit where if you have jared allen on the floor whose offense has come a very very long way and is

you know outside of the freaks that we have in the in the top five like jared allen is also d p oi caliber of a center like he's he's amazing and having having a five who at bare minimum is going to give you DPLY level production is that's exactly the Rudy Gaubert stuff and like you can you can have him at a I think it's easier

to build a championship team with Jared Allen as your five rather than Subonis or Kat I see that yeah what you're describing makes total sense his scalability to different roles next to other stars is incredibly important

it's why you know when you have all time combos a popular one is Russell Westbrock versus Chris Paul and some people would be like Russ is so much better the triple doubles yada but the scalability next to stars is a little bit worse, right?

You think that Chris Paul complements a star better than Russ does whether you agree or disagree on that that's like the principle and it's very easy to imagine that for Allen over Sabonis. He doesn't need the ball in his hands where Sabonis does

and a lot of players are more talented than him that should probably have the ball in their hands. Exactly. Exactly. I like this a lot. I think you said DPOY level defense

that's a bit generous for Alan but I see your point. You know what I'm saying. More so when I see like There's like seven guys ahead of them that are legitimately like DPRY level so yeah I understand that top guy take him

out okay let's see most yeah we can roll in to mine but oh whoops we can roll into mine so at number six I have Rudy Gobert locks that number seven I got the utmost respect for Carr Anthony Towns because of prior reasons we'll get into later

number eight Jared Allen the offense has came a long way and he truly upped his value on that end and that's why he's so high defense has been pretty much always good, but I'll leave it at that. Number nine, Ted Holgroom. I could put him higher. If you want to put him higher, I do not care because he's genuine like that. Number 10, Porzingis. Okay. So what are these reasons that you love town so much? Tell us, you said personal reasons?

Remember. So around when we first started this pod and when the Minnesota Timberwolves had like the most disastrous season with him during that first year, through injuries, of course, and all that stuff and just like getting to having to like adapt to playing with rudy goberra i generally thought that they had to like retool the entire team starting with car and any town because i just didn't see anywhere the way where he could like make himself valuable as a third tertiary option on this Minnesota timbrel scene and to see him figure out for first of foremost like he's healthy so now that things are just going to work but to see him like work and masquerade as a four and be generally effective to the points where he's not hurting his team as

much and to see him again like face those playoff demons and look like a real like reliable third option what he did in the playoffs is legit third option this is what third options are supposed to do on a consistent basis like yeah he had his terrible knights but then also he had nights where you're against the um against the Denver nuggets where he's playing great defense on nicolio it's the best center in the world one of the best players of all time while also smacking down like the most important threes but also at the same time too yeah dumb files and all that but more so this is just me show my appreciation for car and city towns because i think he had like one of the hardest jobs in the NBA at his position over the last two years i agree why i respect i respect his

year very much doesn't make it more viable to me than some of the guys below him but i there's only two spot difference i fully respect we he did as well the same way that you try to get on me where you're like you don't like diond because of your expectations you are putting carl anthony towns at a spot that he has absolutely no business being in because your expectations were so low of him going it going to into this year if you want to i just can't i can't sit here and like legitimately look at your list and be like yes carl anthie towns is a better basketball player than chat home group chet did not have a great playoffs compared to compared to cad what are we talking about do you want to talk about do you want to talk about playoff failures because i have i have a

couple from from cat that we can talk about right that's that's not that's not the deciding thing and i think if we're we're just talking about skill sets and for car and ethie towns who at this point in his career still is mainly like theoretical like the idea of like cat and being able to do all these things. Let me actually see you, you know, put it in motion. You are a majority talent play. Chad Holmgren, him being so young, is also kind of the same thing, but also very, very good defense. Like there's a reason, part of it was for the bit, but there was also a reason why I put Chad Holmgren on this list in the top half last year was because I knew that he was instantly going to come in here and be impactful. I still think that the, the Timberwolves are still

fighting a battle with Karathie Towns and Gobert. Part of that is on Towns, part of that is on Gobert and it's their fit. I don't think that they're a natural fit and regardless of how good cat plays,

I think it's something's always going to be there. Chet is able to walk in to a team and be there basically lone big. They have no other bigs. We've been talking for the last year and a half. Can you get a backup big, please? And they're the number one defense.

If you put him on 25 other teams in the league, they are getting better defensively they are going to be a top three defense like it's and he's still able to give them the the spacing he's still able to shoot 40% from from three obviously the volume is not the same as cat but yeah but he is but he is still there and at the end of the day like it's going to cat taking seven threes two of them are going to be stupid anyway so you might as well be okay with you know with chet taking his number and cat taking his i mean i see what you mean but cat's still one of the best shooters at his position that we've ever seen he has a ratchet on of course and like he's a legit force when it comes to putting the ball in the rim still and chet home was just not there

yet offensive i think he's i don't know if he's going to get there eventually but he doesn't need to because of what he does on the defense will never be within two tiers of what chet's defense is right now for sure yeah i i wholeheartedly because the versatility is just absolutely ridiculous But the force that Carl Anthony Towns has become on offense and him being able to figure out how to make himself as valuable as possible. And the disgusting situation that he was put in is what. The force?

The force? He's, yeah. We give him credit for scaling down. You get him credit for scaling down and being more of a role player. I don't know if I'd call him a force. You don't know how hard it is to be like, okay, can this dude be our number one? Cool.

We don't go very far with these dude as our number one. because Jamie Ballard is basically telling us that he's a fucking bitch. Can he be a number two? What you're describing is important. It's important, but it doesn't make it more valuable. To see him maximize his value at that level and like proving to us pretty much that he can be the third best player is what is the respect that I'm giving. Okay, okay, okay. Wait, wait, wait, real quick.

The biggest difference is the offense between a whole. Do you not hear how that sounds? A guy maximized his potential and he's the third option. And you're like, yeah, he's the seventh best center in the league where Chad Holmgren is a rookie still has a million ways to go and he's already a elite tertiary option on the team. You can even say like, hey, if you want to put him into like the secondary role

when he's often starts developing, we can do that as well. But the fact that like that cat, best case scenario, oh yeah, it's behind you. It's behind Anthony Edwards and Nas Reid scoring and Jada McDaniel scoring. and then we're going to get to you like they would be they would be the the the wolves right now if they get to a situation which is very very likely where they decide hey the money is too much we have to start moving stuff around who's the first one to go on that team this is just like well

I said it last year I thought he was going to be the first one to go before any type of success exactly exactly he's the most expendable person on that team yes Shout out to you, you have grown, you have grown and you have, you are a better player this offseason than you were last off season. That does not make you a better player than Chet Holmgren. That does not make you a better player than Jared Allen. You are not better than Porzingis, who is, you want. I wholeheartedly disagree with that because Porzegas don't be playing.

You're a New York Knick fan. You left through that time where he's just not playing, he's not doing anything on the court whatsoever. I've never seen a point. There's plenty of times as well where Prozingis has had the exact same issues as Holmgram in terms just being like out physical and outbodied and that's something that you just cannot do with car anthony towns that right there just being big and taking up space and like being strong is what helped the Minnesota Timbrews overcome the best player in the entire and being

him you can't discount that him being big and being strong and for any center yes that matters also if you know how to use being big and being strong because cat still doesn't know how to do it because he gets four or five fouls instantly. Like the foul trouble stuff is still very, very real. Again, the shot selection at the end of games is still very, very real. You have to come. I've never seen a, there's just so many moments with Kat. And this is like the least amount of like true basketball analysis.

I have never, ever, ever seen a player score 60. And the coach was like, nah, that's the worst game of basketball I've ever seen in my life. Like get on the bench in the fourth quarter. It's small. For me, it's small moments like that where you can see that, one, that the vibes are off and two, if Carl Anthony Towns is your best player or if he's your second best player, it's the same thing

as a bonus. You have an inherent ceiling and you're just not going to go anywhere and you need Anthony Edwards to be playing at a level that people say is this Michael Jordan to have the Minnesota Tim Wolves and their defense. You need Michael Jordan and a four-time DPOY to

to make Carl Anthony Towns be in a situation where you're like, oh, yeah, like, this actually kind of works. Like, it's actually not bad. I mean, yeah, but at the same time, too, while you say that, in order for Chen Holgham to be the valuable player that he is as well, you need to say to be one of the best players in the entire NBA. No, you don't. No, you don't.

He's being an elite defense, no matter where he is. Yeah, I agree, but Carlton towns, when it comes to what he's at the best, he's going to be an elite offensive player wherever he goes as well. Elite is a very strong word anywhere he goes. Carl Anthony Towns is not an elite offensive player? No, is he a top 20 offensive player in the league? No. If you put Jet Holmgren on the Nets and you have Cam Thomas and you're just like, hey, go play

NBA Street for 40 minutes. Like, they're still going to be a solid defense in the league where you could put Kar anthony Towns on who's the worst team in the league. You can put Kat on the Pistons right now. They are not sniffing top 20 offense in the league. Ooh, that would be nasty. That'd be horrible. Okay.

It's not happening. If you figure out a way to pull. play alongside Rudy Gaubert while like not diminished absolutely destroying your efficiency and also like seeing the ways that Carindon Towns has grown offensively when it comes it's passing in vision you're an elite offensive player there's so many elite offensive players in the NBA today that's not crazy to say top 20 15 whatever way you want to put it yes all 10 point guards all 10 point guards that we ranked are better offensive players if you take the top three players at every single position that that we ranked so far all

We should move on. This is a lot of cat time. I've been playing subway servers for 10 minutes. I've been so bored of this conversation. Oh, my God. I've been playing subway service for so long. He just wants to go ahead and get into TikTok time. Good God.

Let's look at the top five. It's going to be the fastest top five. Okay. Fastest top five ever pretty much. At one, I have Nicole Yokic. Two, Juel and Bede. Three Anthony Davis. Four Victor Wembaumman Yama and five Bam out of bio.

Donovan, can we say ours together now? Yeah, let me, yeah, go ahead. Nicole Yolkich, two, Embed, three, AD, four, Edrice out of bio, and then five, we got Wemby. Listen, BAM has until, the season starts October 22nd. Bam has until October 23rd to be the fourth best center in the league. Wemby, I had to get BAM his credit, right? He got the gold medal. All of that, he's very, very good.

Wembe is on his way. He's here. And it's not, it's only a matter. time. Yo, I cannot argue. We don't have to lie. We don't have to give brownie points. We saw the second half of last year.

Wemby took a second year leap within his rookie year. I just don't want to disrespect, Bamb, because he doesn't get enough credit for being as good as he does. It's not disrespectful. Wemby is a goon. He's going to fly up his list. You can't give him two more months? What is?

Name me three things BAM out of bio. It's better than Wemby right now. He rocks a headband better. He's better. Yeah. His band. He wears in rings better. And also,

he backed. Oh, he's Wilson. He's Wilson. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Let me pull a Victor Woman Yama's Instagram. Let me do some investigation. I bet we can go BAM for BAMB.

Let's listen, man. This is first team all defense for a reason. Bam is an amazing defender. What are the one to raid in the league? I think it might be pretty close to even. Didn't BAM make first team on defense? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I'm saying it might be even. in his rookie year. It might already be even. Ban's biggest trump guard is he's an awesome defender. He can be a great room protector with his wingspan, he's mobile, play all these different versatile type of defenses. And it might already be even because Wemby's physical attributes and shot blocking

is so ridiculous. He's a stalks monster already. And obviously he still has to develop the core strength to be able to defend to Juelan B, defend his Sanguongi for that matter. That's the thing, obviously. And that's where Bam has him one-up on defense. But now let's do offense. And this man, Wemby, is already basically just a good of a passer.

We know he brings more shooting. Bam was a little bit more efficiency and a little more efficient. But it was by 0.1 percentage of effective field goal percentage, despite Wemby's rough start to the first half of the year when he had no point guard. Second half of the year, Wembe was way more efficient. He brings three level scoring. He brings a passing hub. We can just be honest.

He's better. October 23rd, I'm on your side. Right? Night one, I'm going to give it to BAM. Like I said, respect your element. There's still a process on October 23rd. I will change this ranking. Wembe will be four. I love BAM out of bio. He can be five. He stills off five. It's no slight. I'm sorry, Bam. I'm sorry. The combo this time next year, the combo will be AD versus Wemby, not Bamb versus Wemby. Yeah, but we're talking about it. It might be Embed versus Wemby. I don't know. Hey, hey, let me sit up. Let's get to talk in. Let's have some dialogue. yeah

yeah listen it's very close I don't actually hate you putting at a bio above him that's fine but yeah I don't think we need to be shy right well then that's top three

undebable right nothing really to say there yeah yokich is yokech joan b insane scoring season last year and ad he just get it done on the defensive end bro

while being one of the most valuable offensive players just get to as well and that's the quickest convo we've ever had about the top five because this is the least debatable top five. It's very set in stone outside of one mini debate. Exactly. I feel good about this. I feel good about this list in general. It's a fun one. It's the most different opinions you had. This is hilarious. I know. I'm

sorry. Kat brings out the worst than me. You're a bastard also. You're a bastard because you said you wanted to respect your elders and bam out of bio, but you don't want to respect Carl Anthony Towns. You how old is he white boy from the oh ahead of him be consistent how old is he older than adabio 28 he's older than bam yes respect your elders but you want to put that bright skin dude ahead of him be consistent there's exceptions to every rule so with that being said this wraps up our fifth and final position ranking of this calendar year and that also brings upon us producer corner let's go Go. Oh my gosh.

Oh, what? Oh, what? Wait, what is this? Probably not going to be the restroom, but, oh, we got in person to kill? Two men, one chair? Why are you so close? All right. We don't need to go there. Why are you so close? I know you two, Donovan, Isaac, and the viewers are wondering why I'm with Mo.

We were invited, by the way, everybody. No, not at all. So he, like, woke up this morning and he had bomb me a plane. ticket. And he's like, yo, we need a hoop this today. Uh, so I flew in, lost three hours of my day going from the Pacific coast. And, you know, we got, we got shots up. I won't tell y'all where, but I, I was with Moses. Oh, wow. Brooklyn Bridge Park. Damn, you're dropping a low like that? Oh, my God. Hey, I wasn't going to air it out. Mo's going to lit up. I think I was holding my own. Did very well. We, uh,

did our best Steph in Dremont impression. You can tell who was who. But at the end of the time. In my the curry? Curry, Draymond. In what way? Hey, he's curry? I mean, in what way?

All right, but listen, got a fun producer corner. It's a two-parter. For those of you guys who are going to click off, the second part is actually going to be a child picture reveal of one of the four of us. Well, you know, surprise it's not going to be mo. When you say that, it sounds like somebody had a kid. Exactly. None of us are fathers. Let's get that straight.

Anyways. Not you yet. You'll get there. Stop that. We'll get there. Stop that. First part of producer corner. I don't think Moe is really your bag.

But we're going to blind rank comedians. Comedians? Yeah. Okay. So I've heard Isaac and Donovan talk about like comedy and stuff a lot. I'm not sure I've really heard you talk about it. I'm getting into it. I'm new.

Well, that's funny. But you can. confirm i'm getting into laughing now i'm not i'm not cheating here you can see five names there okay it's written out so i'm not gonna do any swaps that being said let's bright let's blind rank these comedies okay okay all right first off is chris rock there's five names ass stop that damn ass stop chris is what's the chris walk special i mean he's old he's wash he's retired essentially. Okay, I think about a historical context. Let me sit back. Like three weeks. Are we gauging their peak or their current state? Because he's kind of Chris Paul status right now.

Listen, there's a lot of, there's a lot of comedians at the Chris Paul stay right now. So yeah. And I think the ones on this list are probably going to be in their Chris Paul era. Okay. Everybody at their peak then. Yes. In their prime, Chris Rock's two or three. I think three maybe three. Three is safe. But like I go three. His movie peak is outrageous. Like he's very, very few people are in his tier of like movie. fame of comedians also he definitely better stand-ups he has well okay his peak stand-up has an argument for like a top five stand-up special and the fact that you have everybody hates chris in there that's that that that is elite so i think i might put chris at two madagascar okay i'm going

let's go too yeah everybody hates chris okay we're talking about this like other when it comes like their entire body of work yes i see yeah yeah it's me if he's made you laughing anyway i thought meant i don't even like just strictly stand-up or whatever but i got you all right second up is john malaney i love three or four i go four they're right he's

peak is very high but you probably have other legends on here they're like there's going to be a chapelle probably chappelle's definitely bill burr i go four for milani yeah malini's peak what's his body you work with like a

mostly stand-up he has some acting too but his peak is like he has like three great stand-o specials a little more niche guy though he's like a donovan Mitchell type or something yeah and his and his strength is also like in his writing like him writing on on on on SNL and writing for other people so it's not like in the main he's in the bear he's real funny in the bear yeah he doesn't sound real versatile we'll go we'll go for we'll go for yeah

yeah just because there's probably other legends but three would be okay all right so next up is drawd car michael five five why is he in this five shout out draught i like him but he's not in these convos yeah wow okay but that one special the special by coming out was incredible. It wasn't because it was funny, but like it was incredible. It was great. Like media.

Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'll put, I'll put Gerard at 5. Even though that, I like, that sounds terrible.

Well, listen, like it's like he's dope. If I was redoing this personally, I would put Dryd at 4 over Mullaney, but we already put Millennia. Oh, Dranova,

Malini is outrageous. No, it's not. You love that mediocre ass sitcom. I like the show. Yeah. You, are disrespectful first don't you ever don't you ever disrespected stop that stop the car

it's not the strongest facet of his life i'll tell you stop it it's strong it's good it's cool it's not enough to put him over john milaney it's good you listen shout out milani i love you right listen you came back we're not we're not we're not doing stop that coke malaney is a top tier peak i'm not gonna lie that was a peak to be remembered didn't she see him didn't she see a special No, but he's yeah, I saw him post-coke. Yeah, I saw him I saw sober Malini. Well, he did coke. Yeah. Oh, yeah, big big time. He had he had to go to rehab He's back now. He's back on these streets. Yeah, yeah, he's like M&M or where he was at his best when he was off the shit He's good now still. He's he's he's had a he's got a he's got a he's had a come back, but man when he's told him was different plus ten on attributes Yeah, God. Okay, one in three left. Who we going with? All right. Next up is a Pete Davidson

Oh, Pete should be five So I guess Yeah, so all right So we'll put Pete at three then I just We should have been a millennia at three Fuck And so last

I should have known that Nikiel Wasn't gonna pull up more legends Like he's not that deep No I yeah Okay Your stand-up bag isn't that deep Like we do notice it But he thinks he's a comedian

Last but not least Chappelle One Yeah, Chappelle's got to be one That's why we let that spot open There you go Post 2020 Chappelle seven he's it that's a chris paul state comedian that man is in the dumps right now

damn really you're not making yeah he's funny for like three years yeah no he's he's currently on nuggets westbrook time oh my god oh actually not that bad no it's not great but like you know how you know how we feel whenever like michael poit junior jonathan isa get in front of a mic oh yeah that tells me everything i need to know and i haven't watched the second of chapel yeah Yeah. His fastball is still there, but all the change, change of speed pitches aren't quite what they used to be. Yeah.

Keep him aside. Real one note. All right. There we go. That's our blind ranking. Pete Davidson, you ruined the whole fucking list. Shout out Pete Davidson, though. All right.

So for the second part of producer corner, I sent you guys a picture. It is the first picture of Donovan as a kid. Let's react to this. So are you putting the onus on me to edit this in and post? Yes. Is that what we're doing? Yeah. God damn it.

bro just walk over and change the picture why would he mean get off the chair I don't have it pulled up in a good way it's all good okay it'll be okay here we go

okay so this is Donovan wow Donovan how old are you here let me see in the picture that you said me I was probably like

second or third grade here this is insane maybe maybe maybe first I can't remember You're chubby dude You're on meat type timing You had glasses too

I don't know what to say about this Other than you were ugly as a kid You were on me type time and literally The only difference between me is you had glasses And I was darker That's it Maybe your swag was a little better Maybe your swag was a little better

But this is only a top half It wasn't It wasn't It was okay You just like me in a fuck we're cooked yeah you look so chopped yeah i hope you were good in the classroom because outside of i don't think you were oh no i was i was a i was a star student like i was listen i can tell yeah i think you also you're an actor right like cori in the house come on now

i actually was top table champion i was now i was line leader we were everything i was what's eight times at the end of the year i was trusted with taking the books back to the bookroom eight times nine no saw you were smoking that clarinet you know i played trombone come on now oh you did play trombone when from 6th grade to the end of high school wait so who's couldn't you hear back then uh i don't i don't remember my i think of the same place the five dollar cuts by fiesta he's nice nice nice i don't i don't remember who's was cutting my hair also where was this picture taken it looks like it looks like it looks like it was on maybe like a ferris wheel at the rodeo or something because i think that's in our or like reliant

stadium in the background that's what it looks like but i can't i can't remember wow that's crazy who would i know this kid would turn into one of the biggest haters on the internet so smiley so happy just the joy the second the third biggest hater in sports media well All right, I just sent the second picture Jesus fucking Christ Significantly better Here Mo check this out What's your initial reaction?

Hey guys Uncle Al Oh my God That box was crazy as hell It was like a paintbrush I was bringing it I was bringing it back At the same time

The only people who had it Were me and Amman Chumper And hold on Did you get this Because you watched the movie dope No I did it No, this is, this is pre-dope. This is pre-dope.

This is pre-dope. Because dope was 2015, so we were in high school. This is six, seventh grade, I think. Oh, you were an OG. What do you win? What are these medals? They're like academic medals or whatever for like art or whatever. No, I mean, I've been there.

I'm not, listen, I was never winning races. I'm not running track out here. I think we could deduce that. Exactly. This is not that bad. When do you switch to context? Relights goggles. Relax.

And listen, we'll get to the goggles story another time. Gaggle story. That's a story to be told. Interesting. This is hilarious. Are these only two pictures we got? Yeah. These are the only two pictures we got.

Honestly, the order got better and better. That was a nice glow up for sure. Yeah. I hope so. I hope the order to decline from second grade. It's like, damn, I peaked in second grade. That's crazy. I was the coolest eight-year-old in town.

Wait, so Whenever you took this picture I like I want to like over under How many girlfriends did you have back then? What do you think? What are we talking about here? What would you set the line at?

He was eight years old. No, were you pulling? This was the seventh grade. What were you doing? I mean, I guess like three talking stages. Do you see what's on my head right now? What are you talking about?

But the over under is point five. Take the- He literally has medals around. his neck for being the class's biggest nerd. Why would you ask this question? I used to pull with the same circumstances. I'm sure he did the same. What are you talking about here? At the same time, he had a flood in the playground. Oh my God. Just to pull in seventh grade. Who am I? I'm not saying it was anybody worth pulling, but I had aura. Listen, no. Listen, I guess whatever. Listen, I have these massive glasses. I have a flat top before anybody like brought it back

in and it was trendsetter. The demographics of the school were not aligned with my culture you know what I'm saying like like things weren't necessarily working for this at all you know uh so like bullied is a very strong word like people made jokes okay what was a mean it's joke that someone made made towards you in school in your school career what's the mean a joke you would make to this picture I don't know you can't remember no I'm saying I was never I can bring you back if you want to get bullied no He went to a soft school. Oh, my God.

We used to come out the hood. What is happening these days, bro? Oh, my God. That's not why I grew up. That's not me. Oh, my God. He went to my middle school in Killeen, Texas. Oh, my God.

I've been hilarious. Bro, when I tell you, back when I was around this age, my mom used to skin my head bald. I already have a dome on me. So imagine me. Peanut Head. O.D. skinny. And just like, a knee. Sandals, toes out.

Like my head literally. Sandals out. Ashesies can be. folks every time I got a fresh cut me just being bald my hell would get slapped by like five kids that's cool exactly she's going crazy at lunch

no I see it yeah that's hilarious and on that note that's it I think it's time for Nikkil to get the fuck out of that chair there's TikTok time there we fucking go

oh new crayon just dropped shit let's roll croneers rejoice Welcome to TikTok time. We're once again gonna begin with a draft. And this is an interesting draft, it's gonna be a little bit different. We're only gonna draft players to our lineups that have a first name that starts the same letter as our names.

So Mo has to draft players that start with M, Donovan D, and me I. This is hilarious. Very interesting. Very interesting. Some of these player pools are better than others. others. Yeah. Who's the best names?

Let me see. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. But you guys know how it works. Point guard through center, drafting entire lineups. Let's jump straight into it.

We're going to draft NBA lineups with players whose first name starts this thing later is us. Mo, who is the first pick? Michael Jordan, congratulations. You have the privilege of being my number one overall pick. Come on. Thank God.

He gets to experience being on Mojo 99's team. Yep. And you get to enjoy these crayons. Where are you going, Donovan? With my first pick, I pow forward. Give me Dirk Novitsky. Y'all both get positioned goats. This is unbelievable.

With my first pick, give me Isaiah Thomas. And with my second pick, give me Isaiah Thomas. I got double up. Give me both of them. Wait, are you serious? Mouse in the house. You got mouse? This is the smallest backcourt of all time.

Okay. Oh, that's rough. All right. At my center position, give me David Robinson. Oh, my God. Has everybody's super teams? Can't mess with this. I can't mess with this.

I can't compete. At my point guard, give me Magic Johnson. Wait. Are we allowing that? I don't know, yeah. Can we allow that? Yeah, you can have it. Go ahead.

But everyone calls them magic. No one ever calls them Irving. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Come on, Magic. Welcome to the team. and then double you flanking them with actually i want to move mj to the small ford position and at the two really give me manu genovli i got somewhat swag and sauce on my team

oh my god swagger is elite the oars bleeding just wait until mona genobley sees five nine is a thomas across from him he's gonna be terrified the only thing that could terrify mona genobli when it comes to five nine isaiah Thomas is a 5-9th-A Thomas had a gun on him, and he doesn't. All right. At my two, give me Dwayne Wade. Dwayne, Wade. Nice.

Well, at my four, at my four, I'll want up you a little bit. Give me Isaac Acoro. Finally. Finally, we're getting Isaac to sell a draft. Let's fucking go. am I three am I three Isaiah Joe

Woo Yeah take that What are you gonna do about that What are you gonna do about that? What are you gonna do about that? Not a damn thing Not a damn thing You see the triple Isaiah running up on you

What do you do? Isaiah on Isaiah violence They got it Yeah Isaiah cubed You got it All right At my one give me

Darren Williams yon taking an underrated underrated point guard they forget they forget about Darren Williams they don't know about it

it's a nice bag I'll never let them forget okay so I got my four and I need a five and give me a pass MVP Moses Malone

congratulations welcome to the team stacked loaded put Moses at my five there we go and then to finish I need a spacer

I need someone with a ratchet I need someone that can only do one thing on the court I need a sniper dude give me Michael Porter Jr. MJ's definitely gonna punch him in the face but Maddie Johnson will find him every single time

now MJ probably agrees all the shit he'd be saying you said MJ would yeah god yeah j would be the one person oh facts oh i might need to get mj up out of here then

don't worry most of them to set them straight yeah i hope all right at my at my three let me get some more shooting give me give me deadlift shrimp

nice smell shrimp close your eyes no Red looking down this one Where's this name? It's a tough one I can't invite

Or what I'll close it out You guys got your fives We all we all got really talented rosters I'm gonna close out the winning team With the fourth Isaiah Isaiah

Hardenstein Ah Yeah It was right there What the hell Isias Four Four

Oh four Okay. That's what you do. Wow. Isaac, can you please read off your team with pride for the audio? Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Joe. Isaiah Hartenstein. Isaac O'Core. I like that. I like that a lot. I have Darren Williams, Dwayne Wade, debtless shrimp, Dirk Novitsky, David Robinson. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I got it. Solid team. Isaac. I haven't seen that much ass. They don't even have. have that top ass in the strip club from what your team is, boy. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Boo. My team, Magic Johnson, Managed Donobly. That was so late. That's such a bad job. Michael Porter, Jr.

And Moses Malone. It was lame, but it wasn't wrong. Plus, have the best team here. How can I lose? I cannot. Some guys got all the luck.

I'm here. I feel good. I feel great. I'm me. And there we go. That's the end of this draft, y'all. I hope you enjoyed it. Let us know the comments who won.

You better ride with Team Isaiah. That's all I'm saying. Ew. There were four Isaacs for you to pick? Yeah, there's four. There's actually, there's multiple. I could pick Isaiah Jackson for, I should have picked Isaiah Jackson. No, Isaac.

Who's Isaiah Jackson? Oh. The Pacers. No, Isaac O'clock is the only one. He's the only Isaac in NBA history? That I saw. Maybe there's some of the last name, Isaac, but I didn't see any other first names. You had a chance to make it.

That's actually really interesting. And you decided to do podcasting. Failure. It's really interesting. Next thing we're going to do, Donovan, I think you have a mascot-related video for us. Let me hear it. Listen, I've got a bag. Listen, I've had a question really all week, and I need you guys to answer it.

If you put NBA mascots one-on-one, who's winning in a fight? I need to know right now. I need to know. Let's go. We haven't had enough fist of cuffs on the show. Exactly. So I'm going to show you guys some matchups of NBA mascots. Let me know which one of them would win in a fight.

All right. Okay, let's go. All right. First one up, we got the Oklahoma City Thunder bison versus the Minnesota Timberwolf. That bison looked mad greasy. He looked dirty. He has an odor to him. Bison is a big.

That mason is beating the dog shit out of this puppy. Listen, counter argument This bison is cross-eyed as hell His eyes are pointing inwards I don't know if he would know If this, listen, if this dog ran around He might confuse the bison We don't need this bison to have brains

We need him to have brute strength And I believe he can do that He can't see though He can't see But he's a bison You don't need to be able to see too much Oaf is a wolf That freaking Timberwolf looks so unthreatening

Look at his eyes You probably purged just like cat he looks like the PBS between the lions puppets yeah uh good pull he doesn't put an ounce of fear into anyone's heart no i'm taking the bison easily for sure all right all right sounds good all right next one we got the milwaukee buck versus hugo the hornet big versus small right you think that the buck could win but the hornet listen you ever been stung by a hornet it's crazy crazy crazy dude the hornet flies up his nose hits a little brain

in the top? Might be K.O. That's what I'm saying. This is an ant-man situation. You know, when an-man shrinks down, he starts to find the bigger guy, that's exactly what this is. I'm taking the Hornet.

Because he can really mess up the Buck's day. And the Hornet really applies himself and uses his max agility stats to buzz around. The buck's going to be swinging around like an idiot. He's not going to know what to do. Exactly. He's like Floyd Mayweather.

The defense is two outrageous. You can't beat him. There is no deer to be feared in this situation. I'm choosing the hornet. Eases. Job, job, slip. Like, he's seen him with all the combos. He got him.

He got him. It's a war of attrition. And the buzzing is going to just make him so mad. He's going to lose his mind. Driving to madness. Exactly. I'm going Hornet. And it's pretty easy.

Horned by knockout. All right, bet. Knockout. I like that. Next one. We have the Utah Jazz Bear versus the Houston Rockets Bear. The Utah. I have you seen the mountains of Utah?

I feel like they breed some insane bears up there. They probably breed one of a kind, just fisticuffs. Ah, man, this bear don't look real. It feels like a legend. It looks like a fake Yeti to me. I'm leaning with the Houston Rockets with this one. I've seen, listen, the Houston Rockets, I've seen him in person. This is the friendliest bear you were ever meet.

You can hold this bear's hand and he will walk you down. the yellow brick road this you have to take the Utah this is a this is a mountain no this is the exit this is a Yeti versus special agent also like it's going to be a beat down special agent also that's such a back I miss that show Utah immediately just stomps out I wasn't saying five but I don't even know how we quantify this yeah listen shout out to Utah finally getting a win right finally getting our credit okay Salute.

Nothing good is happening in Utah for the first time on our show. It will never happen again. All right. Don't get used to it. Next one. We got a battle of the powers, right?

We got the Orlando Magic versus the Washington Wizard. Who's winning? What is this wizard? This Sesame Street bullshit? Yeah, he's... It looks like he's a... The Orlando Magic one,

this is also Sesame Street. He has little... The Wizard looks like Cookie Monster's cousin nobody talks to because he does some weird stuff in his free time. He has kazooz coming out of his nose and wearing the star headband. He is Sesame Street adjacent. Yeah, but he looks at. He's done the block from Sesame Street. Exactly.

Who do we go with here? How do we decide this one? I'm going with your own magic mascot for sure. Why? He's weird. He pulls tricks up his sleeve that this wizard in Washington just doesn't have in his bag. Plus he's girthy too. Look at that size. How can you stop that? Oh. Okay. Okay. I see, listen. Shout out, Girt.

You're a man of Girt. You value Girt. I see it. That does it, I guess. All right. I just tell no lies. Next one. We have the New Orleans Pelicans, baby, baby Kingcake versus the Atlanta Hawk.

Now, listen, in all my years of life, I have never seen anything. More threatening than this motherfucking baby. This baby is stomping out every match you put against him. I would rather face Muhammad Ali than this baby. I ain't gonna lie. That baby looks like the monster under my bed that I would cry about when I was seven years old. I'm taking this baby 10 times out of 10.

Listen, you get... There's five nights at Freddy's baby. This is insane. This is... Oh, I don't even want to... I can't imagine having to touch it. You get a baby souped up on King Cake, right? Already three times the size of a sumo wrestler.

And you throw on voodoo magic? Nah, the baby got it. Oh, my God. The baby magic. this baby was supposed to be casted in the movie Annabelle, bro. Given everyone I heard of unheard of horrors.

Yeah. All right, that's, yeah, that's pretty easy. I'm going with the baby in the suite. Like, the Hawk has no change. It's not even close. Lock this baby up. Why does it still exist, too? Whose idea was this?

I don't know. I think he only comes out on special occasions. Like during Martin's like a deep Louisiana culture thing. It's like a whole thing. Yeah. Cheap that shit.

Next one. We have the Chicago Bull. versus the Phoenix Suns who's for some reason represented by a gorilla but we have a gorilla we have a gorilla versus a bull which ones win it?

Oh listen I ride for Benny the bull I fuck with him but that's a gorilla there's a gorilla on the other side have you seen a gorilla fight listen they have thumbs that moves me but a bull is a bull

I might have to roll with Caesar his name is Caesar oh I got you ha ha ha this guy no listen but then again horns i i agree but this gorilla is menacing because back in it listen this gorilla he knows how to do flips i know he can ride a motorcycle he could he could do a lot of things that that bull just can't do he could ride a motorcycle yeah i got my

josting more i've had on right now i just don't like the fact that it's a gorilla give me baby bro why is there a gorilla representing phoenix what does a gorilla have to do with Phoenix. I'm putting a red show. I guess I'm rolling with Betty Bull. Yeah, that is crazy. We need to have no discussions. Let's talk about it.

Stand for something. I like that. I like that. All right, next one. We have, I think this is the best matchup of them all. We have the Denver Nuggets Mountain Lion versus the San Antonio Spurs

Wiley Coyote. Look at those coyote's eyes. Who's winning? That is a coyote that plays with his nose. I'm not sure I want to see him in hand-to-hand combat. That man loves snow for sure. I'm not sure I want to see him in hand-to-hand combat. Absolutely.

It's snowing in Denver, though. He can get up there. If you get him in Denver, the altitude is crazy. I don't know if they have coyotes out there in the mountains. There's just a cold darkness behind those eyes that you give him the right circumstance to unleash it. I think it might be violent. You know what? through some years of pain.

I don't want to know what's behind that coyote's eyes. I do. I actually, I actually do believe you because I've seen, I've seen the Devon Nugget Mountain Lion pass out midair. Sometimes, sometimes. You don't got it in them. Exactly.

The lights are just too bright. And the coyote, undefeated, never lost. He's never taken a hell. He's fighting that coyote. Exactly. He's doing everything. He's doing everything.

San Antonio, this one's for you. I'm taking the coyote. This one's for you. There we go. Easy win. All right. And that's it. That's all we got.

That's the last one. Look at it. So good, good mascot content. Like that. Amazing. Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to show you guys two NBA highlights or rather screenshots of highlights because they're pretty well known. You guys have seen them before.

And you guys can tell me which one was more impressive. Okay. Talk to me. Yeah. So which play, you know, big moment, play, whether it be the moment itself or the skill needed for it, whatever it is, you tell me which one was more impressive to you. see i like first one this is a pure vibe play yeah i do yonis is blocking the finals or lebrons blocking the finals

stop it stop it this is 4 oh actually not not let me respect no it's a conversation at least a little bit i respect yonis i respect yonis this is a 4-1 gentleman sweep but blocked by james gets this instantly there's just no question it's hard to look past the moment of block by james i think yonis might have been more physically impressive but again the sealing the goats moment blocked by james might be I have to win. 2016, game seven,

the peak of NBA basketball for a lot of people, one of the greatest games we've ever seen, the greatest moment, and then you have the most swaggerless NBA finals of all time.

So yeah, you see, the way that Yonnas came up high on the screen and stopped the ball handler and was able to retreat back playing the weak side help. It's easily.

It really shows a versatility of modern defensive big men to the... Shut up. Yeah, it's black budget. It's easily LeBron. What are you talking about?

Shot to yon. So, yeah. Okay, next one. Kyrie's hookshot game winner or Anthony Edwards dunk on John Collins. These are easily some of the three best moments of the entire season.

I agree. Now, listen, this might be the most difficult game winning shot I've ever seen. But also, dunk the man into a concussion and that's kind of funny. it is he knocked his lights out literally

after this happened to John Collins notice how no one's ever seen or heard of him since then he's gone he deactivated his Instagram there's been a lot of chicken sandwiches lately y'all notice that

it always is impressive it always is impressive seeing somebody drag their nuts in somebody else's face but what Kyrie but what Kyrie did a left-hand skyhook over Yokic I legitimately think that's the craziest shot

I've ever seen in the NBA. Yeah, this gave all the back talk all of them just like Keyheed type of basketball fans. This gave them ammunition for like a decade to say that Kyrie is the most skilled player of all time because I can't even argue with them. If you watch this happen and you don't think

I've never seen anybody more talents than this, they're probably right. You can't do that move on 2K. like that's how that's how good Kyrie's thing is that's hard I think there's no button combinations I get that done exactly yeah I guess it's Kyrie

Kyrie you win next one Damien Liller's game winner against O KC or his game winner against the Rockets was this both for the series yep they're both series clinching Dame is insane

oh my God ridiculous you know what that being said we know it's one of it is give us an opportunity to laugh at somebody like you did against a thursday and forced Paul George to say the dumbest thing he's ever said hard not to pick that one

he was talking mad shit Damila was talking mad shit with Russell Westwick throughout the entire series too haven't seen two point guards bark at each other like that in a long time I'm leaning towards Damelaide's game winner in that series generally one of the closest things I've ever seen in my life

I had so much audacity too to just like pull it from that deep like it's a more impressive shot I think no no no don't get the twisted not pull up step back from 37 feet the audacity the unmitigated gall

I guess the best defender on the other team not giving a fuck not calling for a screen just like I got it that's amazing that's the shot he wanted right

some whatever whatever play terry stocks drew up dam in his head was like no I'm actually going to get this 38 step back this 38 foot step back and it was the right

decision ball game yeah yeah I'm going Dave All right, next one Currie's half-court game winner Against the Thunder

Or Curry's Olympic shot from this year Hmm Dude, dude, recent C-Bice Is obviously kicking our ass right now That This shot against the thunder Might be the most energetic shot I've ever seen in the history of the sports

And it was The shit It wasn't even his home crowd too He was away This has to be the most audacity Nobody's ever had more audacity than Curry in this five-second span But then again, the Olympic shot is pretty audacious

If you're going stakes, you have to go Olympics But think about like the fact This Steph shot is a shot From the middle of January in 2016 Like nobody ever cares That's what I'm saying nobody ever cares about January basketball Except for this Steph Curry shot And not to be dramatic

I think it might be like a basketball culture Defining shot Because this was like people were like Oh we're in the three point era This little guy is winning games like this. Like, this is a different type of demon. This shot usher in a new era of basketball. Do you understand the cloud that comes with that?

Also, opened up, opened up the double bang era from Mike Brie. We never. It's a sweep. That's what I'm saying. We're going okay. See double bang in an NBA history. We have to pick. Good note.

Good note. It's a sweet. Shout out OKC. Getting gamed on. Next one. Andre Drummond trying to dunk Tori Craig's self-oop Or Andre Drummond missing a fast break dunk By rimming it in the front

Andre Drummond never fails to surprise us Exactly accidents happen Right sometimes you don't jump high enough Right you might miss a shot that's fine Trying to dunk over your own teammate On a self-flop What are we doing? What is happening here?

Then again, though It's impressive You look at Tori Craig Tori that's not in your bag Why are you doing a hell of you up to yourself? You could do it, but come on now. Tori Craig is so confused because one, he thought he had a wide open shot. And then he looks up and he's like, what is on my back?

Like, it's just crazy. He thought he was blocked by James. It's just crazy. He said, what's all this movement back here? Like, what is happening? What's all this movement? What I feel like? What is happening?

Like, it's just crazy. Recoil? Yeah. No, it's the, it's the turquence. impressive. It's impressive. The fact that Andre Drummond had the, just the thought of like, yeah, I'm going to do this and to pull it off.

That's just wild. The secret events would think that you can pull some of this like this off and think that it would result in something good for your team, positive for your team, is genuine bizarre. So definitely Andre Drummond and Tori Craig for sure. More impressive. Yeah. Okay.

Next one. Kauai's game winner versus Philly or Michael Jordan's The Shot. Against the Cavs. Both series ending wins. Give me shots. I would say Kauai's was more exciting because that ball bounced on a room like six times. But then the shot came with a crossover.

The shot has its own name. It has branding. That's pretty hard to beat. Exactly. But then again, he pushed off. Not on this one. Oh, no, I'm thinking of the jazz one, aren't I? Yeah.

okay never one also he's wearing red forns which is arguably a top three jordan shoe of all time so i'm going i'm going with the shot okay but this is also the best thing that ever happened to canada think that's so true donovan you have a lot of canada slander to make up for i think you better side with them what did i do to the canadians i don't listen now you owe them a dey canada pick I don't owe anybody anything Give me Michael Jeffrey Jordan Canadians

I at least ain't with you I'm out of order though I'm rolling with the claw Oh wait I'm not We move And that's the last one Next thing we're going to do We're bringing back a T3 staple

But was a twist A staple You guys are going to blind rank Five players But you're not going to know The category until the end Okay, blind rank So you're blind ranking

While blind to what you're ranking about Okay So five players Okay So I guess I figure it out I guess I figure it out I guess I don't know We'll see better take some Cautionary picks I don't know

Okay I'm just going off Straight off how good are you That's it I don't know So Blind rank these NBA players Without knowing the category until the end First off

Alex Caruso Hmm Great dude Okay shooter Fantastic defender though Maybe three might be solid Yeah I go three I go three with Caruso

Yeah three solid He just feels like a nice middle of the pack guy Yeah he doesn't do anything terrible All right I was Caruso welcome number three Number two Next up Lebron James

Ooh He might be number one when it comes to anything. Anything. You can shoot. Cool nickname. He wears a headband as well. Good defender.

Shout out the headband. Do we think that this is a headband ranking? Potentially. And if that's the case, it don't matter what ranking it is. LeBron always just finds the way to be number one. That's crazy, Glaze. It's a truth.

We can rank fashion. We can rank chess ability. He can't rank ball handling. Number one, LeBron. The likelihood of me being right is 99%. I'm taking those odds. Oh, okay. Dennis Rodman.

Hmm. Could this... What are we doing here? What are we talking about? What are Dennis Romantic got at? Putting that shit on and having aura before anyone knew what it was. Are we talking about what?

Are we putting Dennis Rodman at two? Or at our tour. He might be... Wait, what do you want to put him? I see now. Let's put Robin in at 4. Okay. Let's put him at 4.

Caruso was a Laker. That's one thing that's carrying him. And you want a champion tip too. John Morant. Oh, no. Oh, no. I don't know what this is. Golly.

Could this be defenders, Donovan? No. Blind ranking defenders? No. It can't be. be, then whatever, whatever this might be, John Murray might end up being too. Is this somehow?

Instagram followers? Is Dennis brought me on Instagram like that? I think Josh should be too. All right, we'll put Jaya too. Okay. Could be most influential. That means for our last spot at number five, we got Joaquina Noah.

Oh, yeah. And this was the blind ranking of the best haircuts. Dang it. Everyone's got on. Let's make some rationale. LeBron has found a way to keep it on his head. John Morant, the dreads are crazy.

Everyone's going to be bald at some point in their life facing y'all. Not me. Not me. Donovan. I'm getting to surgery. Turkey. I know what your dad looks like. Your dad looks like my dad when he comes to the top of the head.

I'm getting the procedure. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm going over there. my head gonna be swollen for about seven months but I'm getting that surgery send me that itinerary next year we're gonna do

I went on Ranker the website where you know the community votes on things and they produce top 10 lists of various categories and I looked at their rankings of the biggest floppers in the NBA so I want you guys to guess Rankers top 10 floppers

perfect all right number one this is according to people on Ranker so if you disagree you disagree with the public okay Let's do it. So one through 10, you guys are going to guess them. All right.

First one, Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson is not in the top 10. Dummy. Number one, LeBron James. LeBron is number one. Okay. You got it. Come on.

Mark is smart. Mark is number four. Kyle Lowry. Kyle Lowry is number seven. Dremont Green. Oh my God, you're flying through it. Draymond Green is number eight. Okay, cool, cool.

Chris Paul else Ooh good pick Chris Paul's number five James Harder You guys This is too easy for you James Harder's number two

Ooh I know who What are we missing right now You guys went too fast He killed us gave up He made his brain sort of short circuit you can't keep up Okay What are we left

What's left Is Trey Young on this list Trey Young is number six Oh if Trey's on there Luca has to be on there too Oh good pick The public thinks he's a whiner, not a flopper.

Luca didn't make this list. All right, so what do we have left? Who do we, who else do we mean? You have number three, number nine, and number 10. Is Yolkich on this? No, of course not. Oh, Jol Mied. Yes.

Jolambita's number three. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. Yeah, nine and ten left. Nine and ten when he comes to floppers. When it comes to flopping. Do people hate Jimmy Butler like that? I'm just guessing

I'm just guessing I'm just throwing out names Who one's a washed up star And one's a role player A washed up star Russell Westbrook Russell Westbrook Russell Westbrook makes a list

On number nine Wow And a role player Even in his washed era They're still shit on them It's unbelievable All right number 10 is the last one Okay

I go They hate on this guy A lot of people don't like Oh, Pat Bev Not Pat Bev But you're not far off That's not a bad guess Who else is like that?

PJ Tucker That's not a bad guess either Damn I'm running out of steam Yeah We might be fried You guys lost It's over

We're so close We're so close Give us one hint One hint One hint Uh Please I don't even know

A hint please he has beef with somebody he has beef with somebody there's so many people with beef Austin Rivers nope you're one more guess not Austin Rivers okay

it's a play for the East or West one more guess come on shock lock please give it to us let's get it come on an old star that has beef we already say

I didn't say a old star oh you said watch the oh he's a role player he's a role player we're past that He's beef with somebody you guys lose it's over and Dylan Brooks is number 10 He gave him it's if he would have said Wes it would have been gone, but he didn't want to give us anyone He's like any Easter eggs. We did it good though

Nope hey yeah yeah you got through none of them We know the people shout out you we know the people last thing we're gonna do I'm gonna name two NBA teams and I want you to tell me which one you think is gonna be better next year. Okay. So, you know, some serious talk now. Based on the moves they made, projecting to next year, who you think is to be the better team?

Let's do it. Real simple. First off, we got the Lakers or the Warriors. I have very little faith in the Golden State Warriors next year. Give me the Los Angeles. I have absolutely no faith in the Golden State Warriors next year. One of these teams has Donovan Kaminga in year two pods? No.

Did you say Donovan Kaminga? My bad Jonathan Caminga And you have So little faith in them You can't even say His fucking name right We're going with the Lakers

Jonathan Yeah I'm going with the Lakers End of the day They still have LeBron AD They have continuity at least They didn't lose key pieces I have a feeling

They'll finish more wins And as a podcaster I have to support My fellow podcaster J.J. Reddick As the new coach We're going We're going with the Lakers

podcast power Unite Alright next up The Thunder or the Celtics They're both Regular season To me like a finals matchup I think

In terms of record The Celtics are probably going to be better Naturally because they play in the weaker conference True Who do you think we win in a series Do you feel like the Celtors Do you feel like the Thunder Have reached that level to be neck and neck

I think SGA is better than Jason Tatum I think it's all about the second year guys or the third year guys and chet and jdub it depends on how they ascend if they ascend if they ascends to that level to where they can truly be shays batman and like the affords of the group then i see them winning it's all about their potential to be honest with you see yeah i'm cool taking that bet i'm i feel very happy betting on them to progress i don't think is better than prozingis j dub the pressure is on you what are you prepared to do about it exactly listen there

They're not just Robbins and Alfreds. It's Batman, Batman. All three of those guys have insane potential. I believe in J-Dub and Chegg. All right. Yep. Hardinstein coming in as a super six man. I think we might be in for an OKC title year. Okay, we'll see.

Watch out. Watch out. They got it. Don't sleep. All right. Next up, the Knicks or the 76ers. The New York Knicks will watch the Philadelphia 76ers. They did end the playoffs last year.

Wash? They did in the playoffs last year. They'll do it again. this year. They'll do it again in the playoffs this year. I don't want to hear anything about these guys. Paul George is walking through those doors. He is terrifying Madison Square Garden. Listen, microphone in hand. I know podcast bee has something ready for me. I know. I know he's prepared to come to New York. Yeah, for sure. Get out of you. This is tough. I might lean New York because the continuity is just insane. But Tyrese Maxi PG and Joelle and B. Kelly Ubre is still there.

Kyle Lari coming back It's a good team Now I'm cool betting on the Knicks I think the combination of OG and Mikhail is going to be outrageous In terms of defense I don't know how you're going to be able to contend with that

That's going to be extremely hard To get anybody's game off Besides Juele and Bede Do we think Juelan Bede Don't have his first Healthy playoff front of his career No Probably not

Feels safe to go with the Knicks Bro he's like 30 I'm not betting on I'm not making that bet at all Yeah The knees are done Death taxes and Juelan Bid injuries It is what it is

pain next up the spurs for the pistons oh man spurs gonna be way better way better way better yeah you're telling me you believe in tobias harrison tim hardaway junior is the major offseason acquisitions compared to chris paul harrison barns and no more monti williams and that counts for at least five wins shit we don't have to say anything else i believe in with victor wambayama end of story old man chris paul He said it. He said it. I believe in Vic. I believe in Wimbenyama. I believe in Wimbenyama. True. And I believe in the idea that Jeremy Sohan is not a point guard. So we won't have to waste half the season doing stupid, you know, nonsense. I'm out of it. I agree. All right. Spurs, it is. Next one. We got the grizzlies or the timber wolves.

It's tough. No. But I'm in Memphis. It's not tough. The Memphis Grizzlies. easily. This is a team that we should expect to be a top two seed in the east in the western conference. I'm with you man. They're going to be so good. I feel like I should give the Timberwolves of respect, right? They're going to be just as good as it were last year and they were the conference finals. So like they deserve to be a little bit better in a playoff setting. Don't be surprised at the grills is win more games in a regular season at least. They're going to be incredible. The Minnesota Timberals are going to be relying on a rookie for more offensive juice. Two rookies for offensive juice. Memphis doesn't have any of those types of worries or

questions. They just need Zach Eid to be like these. Be big. Set screens. That's it. I'm in Memphis. All right. Dean E.D. is going to carry them. We believe in demon Eadie. You believe in demon Eadie. I believe in demon Ead. Rudy Gobert has nothing for demon Ead. He does. Don't you ever disrespect Rudy Gobert like that again in your life? No. Gobert's going to get put in the basket by demon Eam. One drop. That's over. The nuggets or the Mavs? I'm still going with the Nuggets. I know that they've lost a lot of depth, and I know that the Mavericks are coming fresh off of a finals loss,

but I don't know. I'm just, I'm going to put my faith in Nicole Eokic and Jamal Murray, and that's just how I'm going to do it. Not a bad option, you know. If you have to make a bet, betting on the best player in the world is pretty safe, but the other team has a guy who might be the second best player in the world.

I don't know, with KCP going out the door, the maps are getting better. It's getting kind of close. I'm leading to Dallas Mavericks. But with that being, I'm talking with the Nuggets. What? Really? In a playoff setting, I'm not picking against Nicole Yokic.

I don't care. Give me the Nuggets. I don't know if the Mavericks are going to be top four. All right. What? What are we talking about right now? I don't. Denver.

Denver, OKC, Memphis, Minnesota. I can easily see all four of those teams being better than Dallas. I don't know, man. They're going to be relying on a, year two player who ain't getting no burn they're going to be relying on these rooks to fulfill what kCP used to do and their bench still sucks it's tough i'm just saying i can see it i'm just saying i can see it it's yoke it so i get it yep simple as that next up the nets or the

wizards how you go mid on mid how you go ass on ass mid is too generous so it's Cam Thomas versus Kyle Kuzma One-on-one, King of the Court, Cam Thomas versus Alexar, who wins? Alexar just taking straight jumpers, bro. So it's going to be Cam Thomas. Like, it's going to be a blowout, too.

I think the Nets will be better than the Wizards by two games next year. Yeah, they still got all their wings, Cam Johnson, Dore and Finis's Jr., Nick Claxon, Cam Thomas is going to give people buckets too. I'm leading the Nets for sure. if the wizards aren't better than the post macaille bridge's nets they need to deconstruct the franchise that'll be that's what they're doing sport that's why they traded for jordan pool

there will be very few teams in NBA history that are worse than the 2025 brooklyn nets hmm not they're not that bad ben timis is coming back oh swell fantastic shut Oh, swell. Glad to have it. No, he's not. Cool beans. Cool beans. Last one.

The Cavaliers or the Bucks? This is good. See, I feel like the Cats. Continuity, you know, Boltees ran it back after disappointments. I don't know. The Caps should be better because I think that they have more talent. But also, the Bucks were a complete mess last year. still ended up with a really, really good record.

I think you give them a full offseason. They'll probably be better than Cleveland. If anybody selling Yonis stock, I am buying it. He is still top two or three player in the world. He has a co-star. He has a coach, has a full offseason to plan around them. I don't want to bet against that, even if they did fail the first year. Give me Damon Ler with a healthy offseason.

I'm taking him and Yonis in a heartbeat. Plus, like he said, they did get better around the edges. Gary Chen Jr. is on that team. Mm-hmm. Is not on that team. That's a dove for sure. We're going with the bucks. Easily.

And that is the end of the show. If people were still here, what should they comment? What's all that movement back there? Oh, my God. And we'll see y'all next week for the final episode of ranking season. It's a good one.