The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Center In The NBA | Ep. 49

Episode Date: August 11, 2023

Ranking the top 30 centers in the NBA. #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:56- Top 30 NBA Centers 1:24:15- Tiktok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Guys, after four long weeks of rankings, debates, arguments, slander, we have finally reached the last position of our off-season position rankings. Today we're going to rank the top 30 centers in the NBA. It's going to be great. How are you feeling? We're going out with the bank. I feel great. We're going out with the bang.

I think that I'm the most excited for this specific list. Just because with the center position, there's so many just like different jobs that centers have to do. so we're all going to value everything differently. I think we're going to have the best debate, the best, you know, conversations in this episode. I'm so excited. Yeah.

I already know people are going to get very mad at me because your favorite center that scores a lot of points with his asset defense, I promise you, I rang him way lower than you want to be to, whichever one it is. I feel like there's only really three. You could argue four types of centers in the NBA. You're either running dunk man.

you have a bag offensively but you got cement for hands or cement for feet and then also you have your like upper echelon yokeet and bead which are interior of our own yeah this position definitely has the smallest top tier but there's a few

three stars that are like really great that after that quickly falls so like maybe low level all star so it should be fun and this is actually episode 49 of the show next week is episode 50 I'm not going to give away what we got cooking but we got something special cooking and I'll just say

be on the lookout for things across our socials, things on community posts, videos coming out, something special is coming for episode 50. I'll tell you all that. We drop in the only fans? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

Stop spoiling the surprise. Stop spoiling the surprise. Should we get crazy? Figure out producing a kill on there. Showing feet. Down. He said down. Let's move.

Let's move. Let's move. Let's start the top 30 list right now. As always, I'll start mine off, setting my top or bottom five. And let's just go. At number 30, I have Mason Plumley, Plumdog Millionaire. At 29, I have Christian Wood, 28 Mitchell Robinson, who I really struggled to rank. 27 Kavon Luni and 26 Nurchitch.

How do y'all feel? Man, Nerkitz for 26 feels too low. Yeah, I ended up picking some guys above him. that I get less playing time than him but I just think are better and if given I thought about it this way that so many of these guys

are similar and play similar roles just do typical center shit that I was thinking if they were to be in their shoes of the guy that has more opportunity would he produce at the same level or more that's kind of how I thought about it like spoiler I have gnaz read above

above him you don't see Nas read yet he's higher I think you put Nas read next to Liller getting him 36 minutes a night he'd perform much better than Nurkish does I agree I agree I'll say this I think

I think Mitch is too low and I think Kavana is too low Wow You think Kavana Luni is too low I do I think Kavana Is like He does the offensive rebounded That Kvon Luni provides is just so

valuable and the fact that Like you can put him out on a switch And he's not gonna he's not getting cooked Every single time And you can like you can you can move him around Defensively he provides value there I just like he just seems better to me than just like a replacement level center.

Yeah, I think it's pretty easy to look good when you're playing against a Dremont Green and have to do very specific roles because he handles a lot of the defensive end in the inside. I think he's, it's kind of like how people say that Dremond is perfectly built to succeed on the Warriors, but you put him on another team is going to be worse. That's a little bit overstayed with Dremont because he's really talented.

But I feel similarly about Luni, and I actually think that if you would put him on like the Pistons or some shit, he would look extremely regular. so I tried to account for a little bit you're wrong I think I think if you put I think if you put Luni on on the pistons or if you put him in like if you put him in Charlotte in a place where they actually need a big man he would eat and he would and he would eat and he would be very very good I just don't see Luni eating

I think Luni will be looney no matter what maybe if you want to say that sure I can agree with that I just don't know if he has much to give outside of what he gives now I think him being asked to give very little but do that extremely well is the best case scenario for him I don't really see him scaling to do more with the team that needs it. But I see why you respect him. He's been really good in his role. Yeah.

And it doesn't even have anything to do about, like the reason why I'm high on him to go, like if he were to go anywhere else and thrive is because his game has absolutely nothing to do with offensive bag. And that travels really, really well when all you have to do is like stay in front of somebody, see ball, get ball. Like when that's your only thing to do, you. You can do that on all 30 teams in the league. And so it's not a matter of how do you fit in here?

How do you affect the chemistry? Are you going to mess up the offense or anything like that? No, every offense needs, every team needs a player like Looney. And so that's why I would have him higher. I think I keep him a lower because I think he is not a threat in the pick and roll at all. He's not asked to be there. Dremont runs a pick and roll with Steph because they don't need the spacing because Dremont's like the best short roll passer of all time.

He can kick it to Looney down low. if you're not next to a four who's that incredible passenger and Looney's just like rolling to the rim slow as shit not being a vertical threat at all not being a scoring throat whatsoever you can't park him in the dunker spot if you have like Cam Johnson at your four you know what I mean

so I just feel like his offensive woes would shine a lot more on a team that isn't the Warriors system you also got to give him the chance I also believe in him I think you know listen I'm just I'm just high on Caban Looney I'm a very big thing I will be the one to slander here.

You love him. Go ahead. Yeah, this man is pushing the put Kavan Luanyan on his own team propaganda. You're discussing for that, Donovan. Easy. You just said he would cook on the hornets. Oh, my God, that's gross, bro. He would feast.

What do you even mean by that? Nine points is cooking? Nice. I told you. I told you. His bag has nothing to do with office. His bag has nothing to do with office. It has nothing to do with.

get points. Dude, why would he eat? Huh? Dude, why would he eat? What is Kvon eating? The Hornets need somebody who can, they need somebody who can get rebounds. They need somebody who can be a five for them and be serviceable.

I think that if you put him there, Hornets fans will love him. The Hornets would be better with Kavanaughn Luni at their five than what they have right now. I think he upgrades a lot of situations. And as you'll see with the rest of my list, with a lot of these centers it's very

it's like it's kind of vibe based like there's like everybody because because everybody has a specific role and unless you are in the top I don't know seven eight we'll say right unless you are there like most said

you're either running dunk man or you have an offensive bag but you have cement for feet or you're the complete opposite and you're very specific so I just need to like you on my team and you need just be able to do your job and looney can do both of those things at a high high level i hate that i'm having this conversation but you're right but a team like the charlotte hornets

are just a terrible example because what they have in their style how they play so like next someone know if you have someone like the mellow ball taros year and shit like that like you'd rather have a lob threat which is like mark williams and you know like that's just overall better than what kevan looly has to offer i feel like if you put them on a team team, I don't know, some team that isn't relied on a lot of it, then I absolutely 110% agree. If he was on the Lakers, he would be great. He would be

eating next to AD for sure. I do not want to see an ADUUrie front court. Fucking kill me. The Hornets had Terry Rozier and Kelly Ubrey chucking shots. They were missing a whole bunch. I'm telling you Kavon Lune can get offensive rebounds and turn those into points.

You need to send them to a team where they miss a lot of shots and Charlotte is good for missing shots. They miss a lot of shots. Charley, it's good for that. Put him on the Rockets. Oh, my goodness. Playoff team. This man, this is the high school, Louie.

I love it. Do you have an issue with this five at all, Mo? I like where you have Plumley. I like where you have Mitchell Robinson. I like where you have, I mean, I don't really care enough to have a serious argument about him, but mainly, like, it's him and then also Nurkitz. I think those two are a little bit more solid than what they're giving credit for on this list.

You just if Nurkis, like, I don't know. why, but he's just like the most stale NBA player that you can think of specifically center because like he's not moving the needle and he's on a team with the like the porn trailblazers who can get anything, who accept anything and everything and anything that

any player has to offer them because they're just a broke boy organization. But I think of them like yo, if you put them on a team like the Golden State Warriors he might produce a little bit better in terms of like, well he might give them a little bit more compared to some like

of Von Looney is given him, you know, so I'm like, I don't think that he deserves to be in this region and his tears. I don't think you tell that right situation at all. I think he's just washed, you guys. I think the injury's sat him. He's a little bit slower than was before. It jumps a little bit less high. Does everything a little bit worse now?

And I think he just made as hell, like honestly. Hey, I'm taking that that 16, 15 points a game is very solid, very reliable. Does he ever? He's not at that. I think he average like 13 or 14. You have, you have 2016 use of narcich in your head. he's not he's not that anymore dude he started shooting he started shooting threes this year too i think he shot like two threes a game stop stop stop you he did that's interesting yeah yeah exactly you know

i think he's more solid than you're giving criminal for which is why he's a top 30 center right he's replacement level he's solid like he's not he's not 40 yeah we've seen the names above him i think i just gave credit to guys who i think have a little bit more to give if they're given opportunity like i have a kongwu ahead of him spoiler alert If you're starting a team and you're not taking Ocongu over Nerkich, like what the fuck are we talking about? True. I just think like he'll always be fine.

Yeah. Exactly. And there's a few of those guys above him. Well, we'll get to that. I ain't, I ain't, you don't send your next five? Yeah,

I'll put, I'll put my next five in there. So at 30, I have, at 30 I have Nerkich. At 29, I have Christian Wood. At 28,

I have Ineco and Congo, 27, Shangun, and at 26, I have Jonas Valichumus. You have Sangoon at 27? So you have Nurgich at 30? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, I think, yeah, gripes. Okay, uh, woodman's good, Nurkish is good. Ocongu, I have a little higher, but I get it. He doesn't have opportunity. Ongu needs to be higher. Oh my goodness.

No, he doesn't. He doesn't need to be. He needs to be. He needs to be. He would, listen, he would, he would be a most. With the opportunity that was given, there's been nothing that he's shown to say that, like, he doesn't deserve to be. in the upper echelon of this list.

Yeah, but you can say he just hasn't been able to show it yet. It's not his fault, but maybe if you need him to prove it to you, I'd understand it. Sanguna 27 and Jonas, I get it. You held them low because they're a defense. Disgusting. Sangoon, I can understand because Sangoon's a little bit overrated. I had him higher, but I get it. Jonas, come on.

Jonas is still good. No, it's still really good. No, Jonas is good. There's the guys that I have ahead of him are, like, we'll go through it. it in a bit. I just think like having 10 spots higher than you. That's wow man that's interesting. That's interesting. We'll get to it. I think I think I think I think for yonis and for a lot of the other guys it's I kind of just value what they do a little bit but they're they're better at like one specific thing that I think um that I think boss them ahead and again this is another case of you're doing

your job really well and so I kind of value that and so with yonis like his rebounding is great and it's great for the pelicans who like they don't really you know have like that legitimate five and so he can do that for them but i think everybody else they are doing their job at a very very high level and i just value that over kind of like the well-roundedness of of yonis at this point in this list yeah well man i just think his scoring and his ability to be like it's like a very traditional game that's like not around the NBA anymore so it's hard to value but i think he does it in a way that isn't he's not in his canter you know like he's he's a little traditional game while still being able to fit within modern offenses

yeah and I think he doesn't get to show it as much right now because the pelicans have a ton of ball handlers and a ton of bucket getters that kind of renders his best skill sets a little bit redundant and I just think he's still the player he was when he was on the grizzlies eating averaging net damn near 20 so I gave him a little bit of credit that I think he's still capable of that but I can see why you don't value his specific type of skill set Yeah, Jonas' game is just naturally intrusive and it's the complete opposite of what the type of basketball you want your team to be playing. And he's just like, it sucks, but like Jonas Valentine'sunes is the type of player that you trade away simply because it's addition by subtraction. You know, like if you take away his opportunities, your team will just elevate because you're playing the style of basketball that tends to thrive in this day and age.

And that's why it's like, you don't want to penalize him for that because he's like genuinely better than like, I'll, I'll, couple players, I would say, um, around this tier, but it's, it's, I mean, listen, if we're playing one of one, if we're playing one-on-one, if we're playing one-on-one King of the Hill over all the centers, like, Yonis, Yonis has a bad. He can do it, but like most 10. Exactly. Top five, honestly. Yeah. But, but like most said, if you are looking at, if you're looking at Yonis and it's a addition by subtraction and we trade them away and we get better because now we can free up a couple other things, you're great individually, but what you're doing just doesn't fit with a lot of other teams.

Yeah, it's a very common debate and the stuff of a thing where it's how do you value skill set versus value? Yeah, like, it's one of those, what's a good example? It's almost like if you're debating like fucking Carmelo Anthony versus Draymond Green

and it's like where do you even start with that because one guy impacts winning a ton defensively you don't see it. One guy scores a lot of points which is flashy but it's like which one matters more which is a bad example. Carmelo is better than Draymond, but you know what I mean?

like it's like that raw I don't want to get you started no I was I was I'm I'm surprised that you backtracked on the insect on those but I just I just don't want to argue about it but I just don't want to argue about it is that type of thing where it's like one's flashy and one's an impressive skill set that you admire from a technical standpoint like he can do some things but is that what matters to winning it's hard to debate and Jonas is like the perfect example that I think yeah exactly I agree I agree. You saying that Sengoon is overrated

Is interesting to me, Isaac? He's overrated amongst nerds a little bit, I think. Amongs nerds, okay, cool, well. Yeah, it's hard. Like, the idea is saying, Sengoon's good, and he deserves to be like, he deserves me in the top 30. But Rockets fans put a lot of propaganda

about how he's like top tier. I know. And like, yeah, and like, because he was the best player on the Rockets last year, which like, sure, the Rockets fucking sucks. All their players are bad.

Like, of him being the best player makes it seem like he's like really great but if you would have put like jalen durn on the rockets he probably would have been the best player too like it wasn't a high bar to clear so it's like that label of best person in young core makes you think he's like great already but he still has some limitations yeah for sure so just to be expected yeah for sure and i i think what has to play a what plays a part in that and it's just overall expectations when he was coming out of not college because he was a year old he was a foreign player and he was a foreign player, but when he was coming out of Turkey, right, I believe.

No one really saw him as any as a game changer or a potential pivotal piece. He was just kind of a surprising. I don't want to say a surprising factor because if you're a draft nerd, then you could have saw this coming. But with how he performed, like, especially last year, it definitely blew past by everyone's expectations. And then what also makes the conversation even more interesting is seeing other players like Yolkich, Paul George, Anthony Edwards, and anyone who you can think of, they always say

like just overall positive things about his game and whatnot. So I don't know. I feel like there is some validity in terms of just how good he can be one day. I don't know if he's going to be the best bar on. I don't know if he's like tier one top best per on a championship level team or whatever, but he's like certainly a very valuable player. Yeah, for sure. I doubt the ceiling a little bit. I think his floor is going to be a good player, like you said. I just think he's going to be more like porzingis a bonus type of guy than you will yokech i just think it's that's still very very good yeah for sure which i i have him higher but i think uh a lot of people that are like really pro singoon specifically rockets fans will see the success of yokic and be like we can build like

that we can play that way offensively but yokic is the exception to the rule when it comes to defensively challenge centers being able to be the building block because he's like the best offensive player in the league by a wide margin and if you're not that then it's really really hard to build with that type of defense. And I don't think Sengoon's going to be able to be as good as Yokish defensively or be good enough offensively to make it work. Okay. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. Donovan, you live in Houston. You deserve to be attacked. All right. I rest my case. You can go ahead and... Please. No, no, no.

Listen, I've been to plenty of those games and it's a hard watch. It's a hard watch trying to sit through four quarters of a Rockets basketball game. So, no, I'm not doing this. Wait, Mo, can you send in your... your first part? Yes. Yeah. So my 30 is, I just wanted to mention his name. It was just like a, fuck it. Let's do it. Andre Drummond, 30. Shout out to Andre Drummond because he went ahead. He played 12 minutes a game last year. He went ahead and decided. I just wanted an excuse to talk about Andre Drummond. This is not too up to agree. It's one of the greatest rebounders of all

time and you deserve to be on some type of list, bro. You know? So Andre Drummond went ahead. He said, look, I'll pay any kid, any kid who pays me three four hundred dollars, I will one V when you at a camp. He played some random kid and he won, of course, but he won after he decided to stop shooting threes and mid-range is doing all these fancy dumbass moves. So for that, on your gentlemen, you deserve to be on this list. You're providing entertainment for all the kids and me including during this dry off season. And also, I will, I will, you are one of, you are the greatest empty stats player to ever exist also with the grays rebounders so you deserve to be on the list anyways 29 kevonne looney 26 stephen adams 27 mason plumbly and 26 zubach

any gripes anything wrong with this list i think you see outside of andre german like you see similar tiers similar like mold of players here who can just be applicable to yeah i have steven adams a good little bit higher i think he's better than in this chunk, but not a huge difference. So I don't have any big grapes. I mean, I wouldn't put Andre Drummond on here. I'll say that. Go ahead.

Andre Drummond needs, he deserves his recognition, bro. I thought about it. I looked at it. I looked at it. I was like, he's pretty good. Okay, 30th. I looked 12 minutes a game last year. But how many rebounds did he grab in all 12 minutes a game?

I don't even know. He doesn't even know. I don't even know. I don't know. I don't know. He does that. 45. It's crazy.

It's crazy. All right, let's move on to the next five. at 25 i have zubach who i am in love with okay 24 i have a congwu 23 nazreed 22 stephen adams and 21 singoon nice okay okay i like this i don't know how i feel about naz read or stephen adams being better than naz read but i mean it's good i just feel like for for now's reading from what i'm reading on your list you're putting out what he's done so far and i think we all probably believe he's generally a better player but stephen adam has a track has a track record and also like he just consistently been solid throughout any and every team that he's been on he does a lot of the

grit grind things all the little dirt not dirty shit but all the things that nobody wants to do he does and so he's so easy to play off of so that's fine i like it yeah i think I would put Nazreid higher, and I did. I think that Nazreed is, he's one of those guys where he's, he's in a bad situation for him because they have Kat, because they have, they have Gobert. And I think if you put him on it on any of the team,

also the contract that he just signed so team friendly. Like fire his agent. Damn. He could have, he could have gotten a legitimate bag this summer because he is that good, because he is that talented. And I think that if he wasn't on a team with two, you know with two centers that they've invested massive draft capital massive

crazy money then he could he could thrive and he would be really good and so i think that that's that's kind of reflected in my rankings and where i put nause but that's kind of the that's that's that's the biggest gripe that i have but outside of that everything everything else is is cool yeah if if you give it to naz reed over stephen adams because higher ceiling cool i just give cindams respect that everywhere he goes he makes everything easier for everybody around him and it's just a very positive player with his absurd illegal screens and standing in the way being a good gritty rebounder defender being tough

making it hard at the rim it's just a bunch of little stuff that adds up it's almost like kavan looney where he's just like he does a lot of small stuff that helps good teams like i gave him that respect for a track record of doing that everywhere he goes yeah exactly this is just what i thought i like zoobach at a 25 you must have been so hurt when magic johnson went ahead and traded him for like nothing back in the day I was pissed, bro. He's trading him from Mike Muscala.

Listen, listen, I will never, I will never ever forget. Isaac and I were in the car together when Zubach got traded. We were supposed to be going to eat at a Waffle House. Isaac literally pulls over on the side of the road and it's like, no, we have to stop. I have to tweet about this right now and fires off some tweet about how about how Muscala is nothing. And Zubach is like this hidden gym that the Lakers just gave up. This man took away Waffle House from me. because he loves Zubat Soma

I will never ever forget that pulled over on the side of the road for a tweet that's crazy how sick of a man do you have to be to do that Isaac therapy man I will never forget that I remember that too we were in a Waffle House

I think I pulled over in a 7-11 parking lot I was by the Waffle House to tweet it by this I was like hold on hold on a lot yeah and Isaac was so distraught he was so distraught we didn't even end up going to Waffle House We just went home We went back to the grid

And had like some frozen like chicken nuggets or something I don't even know I was upset I screened by Magic Johnson Bro Is the kill pulling up this tweet I see it loading Here we go

What Magic Johnson did To the Los Angeles Lakers That singular year when it was playing Fake DM or whatever Has to be studied It has to be You should pull it He needs he needs to be indicted trad

To be honest with you Put him alongside Trump God, man Yeah, look at this 208 p.m. This man was living. The Lakers threw Zubach in the deal. Oh, my God.

Oh, this isn't the right one. There was one about, it was whenever they trained for Michael Muscala. That was the one that really irritated me. You have too many tweets being outraged that Zubach's got traded. That's hilarious. Yeah, man, I respect him very much.

He's a very good player. that helps a good team that I'll never go over it. And they gave up a second round pick too. It was Zubak and a second round pick for Mike Muscala, who was the worst player I've ever seen in a Laker's uniform. Dude, Mike Buscala is just so irritating of a player, bro. He was on the Hawks.

I hated every single second that he got on the court, too. Wanted to peel my eyebrows out, bro. Exactly. Just fake as hell, dude. What do you do? Damn. Oh, my God. I hate that guy. That's the most easily the most annoying archetype ever in the NBA. shooters you can't shoot bro

why the hell is Justin Holliday over here taking 7 3s a game randomly bro when he got traded to the Dallas Mavericks that man started over Josh Green I believe and he actually played well for the first few games why am I going on this tangent I don't know but that just archetype is just irritating

Michael Scholar at most in your list next let's go to you this time okay my list so at 25 I have Mitchell Robbins Robinson at 24 Walker Kessler I don't know if I have two on my list or if he didn't

deserve to be on this but I got a generation a rookie for a for what he did defense insane and a lot of you could argue like yo like he was on the same level as Rudy Gobert and you know like that's just sickening to think about as a Memphis or as a Minnesota Timberwells fan so 24 Walker Kester 23 Nasreed, 22, Christian Wood. Now, this is a conversation that we need to have. And 21 Okongwu, no one really, you know. Yeah, Christian was ridiculous.

How is it ridiculous? What is the difference? What is the difference between, what is the difference between Nasred and Christian Wood? Please tell me. Defense. Enlighten me. Have the game.

Defense and vibes. Christian Wood brings terrible vibes any team he's on. He can't stay there for more than six months before he's unhappy. He's a lot of cancer that every coach that he plays for just immediately he's like, this guy sucks. I don't want to be around him. Like, this guy's not a player I want to be speaking to. Like, he just is, apparently he just is not a type of guy you want to coach.

He doesn't try hard on defense. I saw a quote yesterday that who reported it. It was one of the ESPN reporters. Let's say it was Tim McMahon. He reported that he heard from a, I think it was Dallas Mavericks executive, where he said, Christian Wood isn't bad at defense. he's fucking terrible

Tim and Bad reported with the F-bomb Wow that is outrageous He's just not He's just not the kind of play that That you want on your team and that that matters Like he's he's he's actively tanking your team Whenever whenever you're on it

So like yeah I'm not I'm not putting Christian Wood at 22 Hey those fake stats moved me man 16 points oh my god That little bit that that tiny bit of bag that he has that AD light back when ED was in his absolute peak power than New Orleans or whatever

player. It fooled me, man. Now, he's a big man version of like Marshawn Brooks. Someone who can dribble real gear get buckets but do nothing else. What a deep cut. Good job. Marshawn Brooks. Is that who they called

Mini Kobe or something like that? Or is that the wrong random player? I don't know. I don't know. Probably. Yeah, they call them. They called them the next Kobe. too that's he's deon waiters he wishes six nine dion waiters he wishes yeah yeah i i can agree with i can agree with everything that you guys are saying um no real gripes against that but you're not changing your list no i have to say 10 toes down i'm uh i'm loyal to the soil i'm a one since day one bro okay okay okay no switching around like if you were so last year if you had to start if you

gonna play one basketball game with a fucking world on the line, death being pointed at this planet, would you pick Christian Wood over Walker Kessler for one game? It depends on what my team is looking like. No, it doesn't. It's your first pick. You gotta start him before everybody else. Are you picking Walker Kessler or Christian Wood?

My first pick, I am probably, it depends on what I'm building around. You know? You're building around them. You're building around them. It depends. Why? It shouldn't. It's such an ultimate of ass question.

it depends. Maybe I'll pick Walker Kessler. If you want to win a game, you pick Christian. No, no, no, no. If I want to win a game, I'll pick Walker Kess. If I want the nastiest hoop highlight mix tape,

someone who could potentially be on House of Highlights, I'm picking Christian Wood. And maybe my mind is not in the game for the right reasons. Maybe I like watching highlights, bro. That's just what I value. Okay. But really, speaking, yeah, of course, of course, of course, of course.

Okay. All right, sounds good. I'm going to send in my list. Let's get to talking because I think you guys are going to hate this. At 25, I have Booch. Man. 25 I have Bootsch. 24, I have Walker Kessler.

23, I have Clint. 22, I have Window Carter Jr. And 21, I have Stephen Adams. Oh, your list is trash. You are a criminal for putting Wendell Carter Jr. At 22. I want to stab you. I told y'all, listen, I want to stab you.

Before we came on that you guys were going to have a lot of gripes with my list and that there was going to be a lot of conversation and dialogue. Here we are Please tell me Tell me why I'm wrong Because I don't think that I'm that wrong Like I can see I can see I can see arguments And I can understand a couple things

But I don't think that This is too bad I know it's terrible So I mean I think 25 through 22 Are all just like really good players Who are like Let's just use Stephen Adams

For an example Wendellar Smoke Stephen Adams Clickapela Better than Stephen Adams Kessler smoke Stephen Adams Vooch, I get why he's hard to rank because he's another one of those guys

who's ass on defense can't really win building around that but it's kind of like Yonis where he's so talented as like an offensive player that that probably earns him enough of a right to ignore some of the positional challenges

and he had a really good year even though he's to make fun of him for the Bulls being trash he wasn't trash last year Oh man who's at 20 and who's 19 Now we gotta wait on that we got wait on that

I can't believe, I hate you so much because you put Robin, Robin, Mitchell Robinson, bro, the boy who be moody too on Snapchat, Twitter, Instagram, all the social media platforms, unhappy as hell, tweeting like a 13-year-old girl, over Window Carson, Jr. Listen, we will get there. We will get there. We'll get there, guys. Let's take our time. All right? Let's enjoy the journey. Please.

I have multiple of these people are in my top 16. And listen, that's, that's, that's fair, right? If anything, if anything, the thing that I regret most about this is that walking cancelers at 24. I will put walking. I will, I will put walking. But like, that's, that's what I, that's what I missed the most. But, dude, listen, listen.

Window Carter makes my fucking blood boil. Yeah. That's fine. That's fine. That's your team. That's your team. I'm, I'm really, really valuing. And you will see in this mid-tier, this next tier.

This next tier. I value the vibe so heavily with these guys. What's wrong with Wendell Carter's vibes? Yeah. It's not that anything's wrong with Wendell Carter. He's just not Stephen Adams. He's just not him. Everybody loves

Stephen Adams. The screen setting, the tattoos, the Australian accent, everybody likes it. You like to be around him. I knew it wasn't for basketball reasons, man. I knew whether for basketball reasons. What do you mean? I just said the screen setting. You said,

the tattoos and also that's part of it that's part of listen that's part of it but we are an aura an aura focus podcast and Stephen Adams has a aura so I understand listen when the grizzlies are going over to get into a fight with Shannon Sharp who's the one person that Shannon Sharp doesn't want to mess with Stephen Adams because he knows because he knows that Stephen Adams is about his business and so I'm I'm giving Stephen Adams his credit right there okay fair enough I think we had to just continue on so we can see the rest of names because we're going to be arguing the whole fucking time by your list and I can't wait.

Clint Capella's agreed to sue, but I'll go on the next part. At 20, I have Valentinus. At 19, I have Horford. 18 Walker Kessler. 17 Time Lord, whose name I just blanked out on because I wrote TimeLoy. Robert Williams. Robert Williams.

At 16, Clincapella. Yeah. I had the hardest time ranking Time Lord because a year after, how do I phrase this? The year before last, incredible. I would have had him like 10 or 11. Last year he was hurt the whole year.

Playhouse came around. He just wasn't getting the minutes. I think his new coach didn't like using him in the same ways that his previous coach did. And he just wasn't able to produce at the same level. So I was kind of stuck between do I give him credit for what he did under IMA-a-Doka or what he did last year. And I kind of really just did what he did last year. I kind of ignored the year before that, which I don't know if that was a right choice or not. Yeah, man.

I don't like where you put Horford in this list I think Do these be higher? Yeah, I think he definitely should be higher because he just brings too many other things

that will elevate the ceiling of your team compared to simply what Robert Williams gives you Now what Robert Williams gives you Is fucking fantastic Yeah, you're right They're on the same team

But Robert Williams is more replaceable than someone like Al Horford Hell not You can find another Hell not Hell not Listen, at their peak, at their peak, Isaac is right. Robert Williams is harder to replace.

But if they're both at the level that they showed last year, I would take somebody like Al Horford over Robert Williams. Well, how do you parse that then? Because Robert Williams was dealing with an injury to start the year. Granted he deals with them a lot. But it was just a lingering thing that prevent him from ever getting fully into the swinging things. And it was clearly a coaching decision to not run those two big lineups like they did with IMEA doka.

So like how much that you hold against him? He still is that same guy. we have to we have to see next year i think next year would be a good we saw one year of robert williams being a lot we saw another year of him kind of being brought you know back down this next year would be the tiebreaker and then we'll kind of see like where to go from there also by the end of next year out horford is going to be a hundred percent cooked so he'll just walk into that role and walk in you know he'll walk into the wind but i think that there's still there's still time to evaluate robert williams and kind of like his value yeah

I get that. Yeah. I like Robert Williams a lot. I like Robert Williams a lot. I think this is the right tier for him. He's definitely harder to rank because of all of those things that's been happening. That's not what he actually does on the court. It's just injuries and then situational coasting things and stuff like that.

But it's solid. I can't even add that. I would have Horford higher. I like where you have Valanchunis at. Capella, I think he's at quite literally like probably the perfect spot. He's solid. this can be he's exactly what you he's run dunk man that's literally what he is bro run dunk defense man so and block shots man he's really real good to block his shots yeah exactly that's the biggest thing

that's the big i think clint is underrated now because he dealt with those injuries for a couple years after his first year in atlanta where he was amazing that first year and then he had like a year and a half two years where he was injured a lot and the narrative has become like okongwu's riding away we need a free okongwu because people like young players and tend to be biased towards young guys assuming they can make steps so that has kind of made people feel like Clint is holding him back so that must mean Clint is trash made to get rid of him but there's a reason that they still start Clint over Okongwu

despite how promising he is because Clint's fucking good I think a lot of people miss that because they're so excited about Okongwu yeah exactly Clint is generally like one of the what you could say I want to say maybe five to seven best rebounders in the entire NBA I think that's very underrated that's something that Akongu struggles with still

and a lot of like centers of some reason tend to struggle with. He just has the overall bag when it comes to run dunk man. He is peak run dunk man. The only thing that like I can go ahead and like this from him is like sometimes his finishing is very skeptical. Now maybe I could be tripping. He's catching hot lobs from one of the best passes in the NBA and you know like that's just not in his bag

naturally to catch all these laws from all these angles. But sometimes when I watch the play, I feel like this dude plays with other mittens on. But regardless of the fact, you're right. You're right. It's always been his biggest weakness. Yeah, exactly. With the harder thing, people were kind of annoyed by him. Yeah, exactly. But regardless of the fact, like, Klingapela, he moved the needle on a lot of teams.

But I will say it's hard to see that initially, just black and white or whatever, because if you look at the Atlanta Hawks, defense of rating, they're fucking ass. Piece of shit, bro. If you look at our points per game in the paint or points louder in the paint, it's fucking ass. It's a piece of shit, bro. But, you know, like, regardless of the fact, you have to look through the things. is like, well, they probably get a lot of points in the paint because you got

Troy Young and Dejante Murray, who's like up and down on defense all year and they got a lot of points off from there, our opposing teams do that. So it's hard for Quinnicabella to do all those things, plus he misses times and all that stuff. So I don't know. He's a very, I don't want to say a very polarizing player, but it's so easy for people to underrate him and his value in the things that he does. So, yeah, I think the Hawks have a myriad of issues, like you said, guard defense is

part of it. but part of it was the biggest, like I talked about a lot last year when the Dejante Murray trade happened and I was talking about how that's not going to be what fixes them because that rim defense is still going to be asked. I think that was mostly because Clint wasn't healthy for the year before last. He just straight up wasn't very good there.

And I'm looking at their stats now. They were 13th in rim defense in terms of efficiency. They gave up 66% there, which is a bad average. Actually, the league average is 66.6. They're 66.3. So pretty much exactly average. But their biggest issue was frequency. They were 29th in rim frequency,

which means teams just got there nonstop. It was just constant fucking OLA, run straight to the rim, Clint tried to help us. They did a good job, but that is the part to me that's mostly guard defense or mostly your pick and roll coverage,

whatever you want to, maybe you call it, maybe you say Clint's not good at coming up to level of screen and preventing people from getting there. I don't know. But when he's there, I think he did a good enough job.

I can actually look right now and see what his numbers were. For sure. And while you're looking at that, like, Something about Clint that I also want to say, like, is that through your stats, he actually had a quote, I believe, like a year ago or maybe it was two years ago back in 20, back in that 2021, 2020, 2020, 2021 season. He was so frustrated. He said out loud, called out some of his teammates, probably Tri Young, probably probably DeAndre Hunter, because he began burn too often for someone who's supposed to be a good defensive prospect.

But he was like, when I think of a team, he said some quote along the lines of. I'm a defensive-minded player and this is the forefront of what I do and I feel like he called out his teammates and he said something along the lines of we need to step up defensively and that's facts like he

he can't block everything he can't defend it fucking everything he gets tired. Yeah I'm looking at Clint's numbers when he's on and off the court and I think it says like the perfect example of his defense when he's on the court teams get to the rim 2.7% less

so he's deterring people from taking shots at the rim they see his big asses there they don't do it as much and they shoot less efficient there too, about 1.3%. So pretty good numbers. But overall, the team's defense is worse when he's on the court in terms of effective focal percentage, because teams get to the mid-range

nonstop against him. They fucking eat on the mid-range, whatever, cunts on the court. They shoot 5.6% more mid-range shots when he's on the court, and they make them 4% more, or 5.8% more, actually. Which basically means he's big and slow, and when they run picking rolls, he's sitting back there at the rim, making sure they don't get there. But that means these great guards can pull it from the mid-range and just shoot uncontested because he's back there with his hand in the air.

And that's about what I... Yeah, it's about what you think, McClella. Slow feet, but he can block the hell out of a shot. Exactly. You can't have everything, you know? So, I mean, this is a great... This is a great placement for him on the list. Yeah.

Yeah. If he wasn't slow-footed, he would be like the 10th percent. Yeah, for sure. That's a difference in him and a Jared Allen. That's really the only difference is that mobility and ability to be mobile and not allow nonstop mid-range jumpers. Yeah, agreed. I want to see Donovan's list

All right Is this a Mitchell Robinson siding 20 I got Kavan Looney 19 I have Mitchell Robinson 18 I have 18 I have Yacobrtle 17 I have Knows read 16 I have Robert Williams Y'all laughing

Are you fucking drunk Worse He's on Kodine Mitchell Robinson Loses minutes to Isaiah Hartenstein And you put him above all stars Mitchell Robinson Right

Mitchell Robinson is out of here all the all the guys that we're going to talk about later and the and your little you know your prince of evan mowgli right he's the future oh my god richel robinson ate their lunch all right the the the shot blocking that mitcher robinson provides the lop threat that he that he provides the offensive rebounding that he provides the energy that he has on the defensive end of the floor is fantastic and i think that like if you are if you are building a team having somebody like Mitchell Robinson can help you a great deal and so yeah I'm going to put Mitchell Robinson here who just performed at a great level in the playoffs against Jared Allen who is much higher on

this list and against everyone yeah it's just he had a great series but like so did Austin Reeves I'm not saying he's better than tomorrow Rosen like you know what I mean like it's like what we're talking about like listen you had also re-tie though you had also re-tied though yeah okay I'd just pull his name out of my fucking ass but you know what I'm saying I'm saying but you had also

you had also in time I just yeah but Mr. Robinson and yeah he has no business being above being above click a Pella you can say that window Carter Jr., Walker

Kessler in my mind sometimes I would argue Stephen Adams and those are Jonas Valchus and also Wusevitz, that's disgusting. That is fucking crazy. You convinced me to put him higher. Like, I'm looking at my list now.

I'd put him higher, for sure. Like, I get it. Undervalue his offensive rebounding, which I think is really important. He's incredible with that, one of the best in the league. But he's not an offensive threat in any way. You call him a lob threat.

He's really not. He's just big, and all he can do is dunk. He's not some great role man. He's just a guy that that's all he does, so you mainly think he's great at it. I mean, he's fine at it. I mean, that's what he does, though. That's what he does.

Yeah, yeah, he does it fine. he doesn't not particularly good touch at all he doesn't really provide much offensively besides rebounding which is important but you look at someone like Wendell Carter Jr. who's like a very skilled offensive player a better defender basically is better at everything besides

offensive rebounding and I don't even understand it wow I just told you for about three minutes before why fair enough you did still don't fucking get it still doesn't resonate

wow no i think i come on loony like be fucking for real like i listen we already did did the did the looney thing but the contribution to winning from looney is is fantastic and it's just like it's like just wow like and even even in situations where like like if we were talking about this in 2017 or 2018 like i i could understand it but in 20 but in like 21 and 22 where clay's not really Clay anymore. You're really like hoping that Jordan Pool pops every other game and the Warriors need somebody. They need somebody to come in. Cavan-Luny somehow always, he's the one who comes in and he changes the dynamic of their entire team. And it's because of what he does.

And whether like, and you're saying like, oh, he benefits from, from Draymond being there? Of course. But guess what? Drayman's on that court and they weren't able to do anything. And then, oh, look at that. Kavana's in the lineup. Now we start winning. Kavon's in the lineup. Good things are happening. So I think, I really think that he can go. anywhere in this league and be a really impact player so like i'm i'm putting him there and so we'll move on to to the next guys though i have yaku perdo at 18 he's cool he's very just like like yaku perdle being in this range of just being like mids yo shout out to you right you get your 12 points you get your 10 rebounds right you're a solid defender you are better than yaku perdo is better

than like what everybody thinks whenever they hear about his name but he just feels so replaceable he just he just feels so mid and i just have to put in there i think it's just white NBA player bias it's just you just feel so replaceable and then you know what it is it's because his name is jacob oh my god bro i don't know i don't know we listen i mean i have i have vote a little bit higher not super much higher so i don't really care about that There's a guy named Rudy on this list. Like, it's not the name. And listen, I know you want to put him as low as you can, too.

I'm surprised he isn't, he isn't right here. So shout out to you for that, Donovan. Character development. And then, yeah, and then Nasria 17 and Robert Williams at 16. Yeah. Nice. I'm hitting my list right now because it's jacked up because I wanted to put drum in here so bad. And I left off Time Lord.

Time out. Time about, time about before we continue, is nobody going to say anything that Moja said, I want to put Andre Drummond in the 20 to 16 range? No, no, no, no, no. Because I wanted to fit Andre Drummond onto this list. Okay, okay. I, like, when I was forming my list, I deleted Robert Williams and then I replaced his name with another name. And then I just like shit did shit back on my list. So, yeah, no, I would not put him with.

that's outrageous that's outrageous but 20 i have yaka purdle he's a great center and i'm kind of hating that i i'm saying like yaka purdle is worse than us of nurkish he's not tripping but it's one spot over who cares clincapella i have him at 18 17 i got vuchy main uh and at 16 i have yonis valentunis same caliber well they're not really the same caliber type of player but i would say they're generally in the same archetype except which which of it is a little bit more traditional in this new way

their names listen we're talking about biases their names are just foreign they they have Eastern European names and you're just like oh yeah they're the same player yeah but anything outside of time we're not being here

on my list I don't need to call out I think NERC is too high you said it it is what it is man I think Yacob is much better but what are you going to do Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's nothing to, it's nothing you want to stab my neck with a pencil over, so. No, I'm just so focused on Luni Mitchell Robinson.

I can't have the energy to muster to care about it again, Nirk it. I know. Like, this is, this right here, this segment. We're getting into it. We're getting into it. Can I, can I go, can I go next while you're still like on the Luni Robinson? Yes. I want to go ahead.

All right. Rudy Goberra is 15, right? No. At 15. Wait, I'm going to wait for it to. to give, okay, wait, time about it. I think I just lost to kill. That messed up my reveal

so bad. It's all good. All right, I'm going to send this to you guys through text. Okay. Let me see this. Let me pick up our group chat. Grand reveal coming. And here we go. So at 15, Chet Holmgren at 14, Big Big.

What? They're already better than half the league. They're already better than half of them. Everybody else, give me chat, Give me Big Big. He's already better than half of him. Vic? Then we got Al Horford, Nick Claxton and Miles Turner. Big Vic and Chet, get, I'm taking him over anybody.

Those guys. Those guys are five. Listen, I'm not the type. I'm really not the type to get hype over Summer League. I really try not to do that. What I've seen out of Chet, Holmgren, my goodness. My goodness. These guys are already better than half of it.

Give me, I'm taking them. I'm taking them. Wow. I'm taking them. Hey, I know I like, the only thing that I can say about Chet is like, yo, summer league vibes immaculate. That's, that's good and all that. But he'd be putting that shit on too, man. He's going to be making a lot of league fits appearances, bro.

But that's the only reason why I would consider putting on this league fit stuff. But no, this man, this man, before, before Big Vick got into the league, we were all like, oh, wow. Like, Chad Hungren is crazy. Like, the defensive potential is wild. He's going to be out here. He's going to transform the thunder this year. And listen, we will talk about it when we get to the season previews. I'm very high on Oklahoma City.

And one of the reasons is because of the Chet Hunger. Like, he's like that. He's like that. And then Big Vic, I'll take him. I'll take Big Big over a lot of guys. You're lucky I didn't put him top 10. I would have taken him over Al Horpher, 38 years old geriatric. I'll take him over him.

Donovan. We can move this right now. Congratulations. For the first time throughout our entire list series, you have the worst list. I was running away with this bitch Unanimously Unanimously Not even close

But you just stole my crown for me I'm not going to lie Moes made some mistakes Mozo said some shooting guards At power forward Some power forwards at point guard It happens But all that aside

You have the worst list In TD3 history Who Now you don't see the vision You don't see division No I mean I'm just not gonna fucking rank players I've never seen play it really

If I had to guess what I look like, I would also put them here probably. I prefer to talk about real basketball, not imaginary. Yo, you're so nasty. You're so nasty. I love it. Good bit. I respect a good bit. I always ride for a good bit. On the serious side of things, I like Nick Claxton. I like Miles Turner, somewhere next to each other and also Al Horford.

all cool with me Nick Claxton We're having a conversation Yesterday about this And you know Like earlier in the season He was in defensive player Of the year conversations

And the next thing you know Katie gets traded Kyrie is gone And you never hear about Nick Claxton ever again And all that He was in fake Do you feel why conversations

Nothing ever happened with him He was playing the same All that bro Like he didn't get injured It was just like No one cares anymore He was in like participation trophy

DPOI conversations like yeah he could be fifth of my ballot he was never going to win you always say that he wasn't actually going to win he was in the conversation that's it but man I'll send my next five

go ahead let me go ahead and highlight these because I think the screen recording is still messing up yeah okay here's my next five at 15 I have Yakopold 14 Nikola Vuzovitch 13 Nick Laxton

12 Wendell Carter Jr., 11 Brooke Lopez. Ooh. 11 Brooke Lopez, ah, man. I feel like that's kind of low for Brooke. To be honest, yeah. Brooke is low. Brooke is low for sure. Yeah, well, that's just,

it's mostly because I don't hate DeAndre Aiton like y'all probably do. So I like, this really comes down to. Like, he could have been 10 if you want, because spoiler, Aiton's at 10. But, I mean, like, I'd rather have Miles Turner, who I think is just like the same type of role. And it's just like younger has more punch. But now that I say that,

I don't know. Dude, Brooke put up 16, 17, 19 to the playoffs last year when they got that ass bounced out by their Miami heat. Genuinely, like, yo, like, he was in defensive player of the year. Convo is fake or real. It doesn't matter. He was going to be real. They were real for Brooke.

Pulling up from fucking Yucatan, like Anthony Edwards be saying, bro. Like, he is a great center who I hate it. It's like, it's weird to think of him as like an elite level center, but he is one. yeah i think last year he showed when all the bucks had those injuries he showed that he can still do some more if needed it's just hard to he doesn't do a lot often because he's not needed to usually so it's hard to give him credit for that when like you could easily be like oh see he did it for 40 games he can average 20 still or he can average 20 for 20 games but can you do it over a 42 games that's a different story at his age yeah man broke his back a couple

like last year bro and he came out looking like literally the same type of player But you can't, you can't deduce this. No, he's great. He's a very high-level defensive player. It just has to do the people above him. I think after him, there's Aiton, which put him above Aiden, I'm fucking sure. And then after that, we're at, like, Aiden and Turner are next. And then you have, like, the altar level guys.

So I just gave him credit for being able to do it consistently and just harbor more of a low than Brooke can. Brooke's fucking old. I don't think he could do it last year for a full 82 game season. You can't rely on him for that. He'll break down. Or just, maybe I'm just, maybe that's biased to the other way. I just don't know how to parse that. He doesn't do a lot.

He doesn't have to. I think you hate it a little bit. I think you can put, I think, I think, I think you could, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, like Mo was saying, everything, everything that's in Brooks package. And one of the reasons why I have him hired than you is because you could put Brooke on any team, on any team in the league, and they're getting better with Brooke Lopez. And he fits, he fits into every single team and upgrades every single team. I think that that type of versatility.

means a lot and especially once you get into like this top 10 and you're like you're in that tier of like okay you're not an all-star you're not a you're not a superstar what are we asking out of you brook is the embodiment of that and so that's why that's why that's why i'll raise him up a little higher i think it just comes down to the names above him because i think what you just said that if you can fit in any team make them better it won't be an issue i think that applies to my top 10 guys okay yeah if you hate aiden you hate aiden whatever i don't only the person that doesn't I think is I guess a bonus, but he's a bonus. So obviously he's higher, which I don't know if that's obvious for you guys.

We'll see because apparently all really love Brooke Lopez. So we'll see you're like that. Yeah, I just, yeah, I'm a huge Brooke Lopez fan because of how he trains. Yes, because of how, do he's, his game is honestly inspirational, bro. He was, his game was evolved out of the NBA. He was the traditional 20 point per game score, post her god and all that over there. Brooklyn Nets days he was phenomenal what he does bro he was he was quite literally valentunus bro he was peak valentunus and to go from that to being moved a couple

times across the league or whatever and completely transforming your game within a short time span and being one of the best big man three-point shooters in NBA and also up in your defensive rep reputation too it's huge I don't even remember this man being insane defensively at all back in they maybe I'm it's because a young wasn't you're right you know whatever but like to go from that to being when it comes to like what's most valued at the shoot at the center possession these days one of the best at that category in these categories aka being shooting and blocking shots like you know like major ups major respects he transformed his NBA career and extended it like a motherfucker there's so many

people around his age who just sucked to their ways and probably couldn't evolve of all their game in certain ways and he did it just like that bro like brook is amazing great I thought I was going to have Brooke highest I was worried y'all would be like he's too high so I'm cool with it you're gonna look at my list and be like oh Brooke is too high oh god

your list is insane all right send your next five move all right here's my I'm gonna go ahead and send my next five pretty solid I don't think it's ooh okay

okay so at 15 I had Nick Claxton cool 14 sangoon I watch them highlights and I was like, yeah, this man moves me. 14? Yeah, 14 is nice. He's nice. He just got the title back for me. He just got the title back. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. All right. I think 13. I had Al Horford. 12. You're right. I have the and J. Aiden there just left a really sour taste in my mouth. Although throughout most of his tension, I can't talk about anything on this podcast. You guys are reactionary as fuck.

Absolutely, bro. Absolutely. And you have to take. into account i asked how he's going to play next to some like bradley bill was going to take even more shots away from his hands or whatever but anyways i digress january and 14 and at 11 i have rudy gobeyer who was yes sir i respect you for that i respect you big time for that um no i listen i think shangoon is too high i think al horford um is cool um yeah i think i think aton Aiton should be higher. Like, he's, he, he should, he should be higher. You know me.

I'm never gonna, I'm never gonna, you know, strike down any type of Rudy Gober hate, so we're good on that. But Aiton should be a little bit higher. Wow. Yeah. I mean, this is so reactionary. Aiding to go bear this low is crazy. I mean, Aiton's not that crazy.

I haven't at 10, so it's like two spots, whatever. Yeah. Go bear this low is like, I don't know. I don't get to go bear talk. I don't know. I don't think that's too low to you know. To penalize him because he's on a team as, moronic and started him next to another center

with zero good playmakers to start the year that could give him lobs because he's only offensive utility. I'm not going to hold that against him. I will gladly hold that. I just don't hate him. I'm just not like ridiculous with the slander for no reason. Oh my God, bro. How are we going to do this again? I guess.

I'm not going to blindly hate. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Top ten. We're going down this. it's not it's not 10 time let's figure out where we all have rudy on our list okay i'll say i'll go mine first then we'll go at 10 i have d'andre aiden okay at nine i have miles turner pretty high at eight i have jared allen seven i have rudy gober and at six i have subonis okay i wrestled with subonis and gobert a lot because i gave it to i just gave this a bonus because he had a great year last year

and deserve some respect but I think you're never going to win anything substantial with Sabonis on your team because of the role he demands with his skill set and his extreme limitations on defense he will never win anything substantial

being a centerpiece so it's like if I had to actually build a team to win a championship I'd probably pick Rudy Gobert but Sabonis did enough to deserve the nod for now off of like straight skill but I don't really believe it

I just feel like he deserves it okay I don't have I don't have I don't have a lot of gripes with your list. We have a lot of guys in the same range. I think Turner is the only guy that that would be a little bit higher. I think he shouldn't be in the top 10. But I'll say that we're good.

We're good. I'd rather have Miles Turner on my team than Rudy Go Bear, man. Less headaches when he comes to figuring out how X, Y, Z. What headaches is there a Rudy Bear? Bro. There's no headaches besides people thinking he's lame, which I'm sure. I don't think about that. I mean, that's, listen.

Hey. We talk about vibes. Rudy Gobert Bottom five vibes in the league No, that's not He's not a bottom five He's not Christian Wood We gotta relax

People just hate him so much I mean obviously Obviously he's not Christian Wood Christian Wood is number one But like Rudy Gober is in that tier No he's not He is number one Rudy Gaubert does not bring

He gave the NBA COVID Did we forget about the moment And I think it was in the plane Where he literally punched Chris Anderson in the chest Do you forget about that? that was that was a thing what that the vibes are with him right now but i don't blame him he's in minnesota what you said kyle anderson yeah i was like bird man's here yeah he gobert

punched bird man no yeah he punched back bird man would have that man in chamber bro he would he would put him in a blender for sure uh but yeah i mean i don't think ridgo bear brings headaches that much like yeah he's lame i don't give a fuck like he's obviously like nobody like nobody him as a person but in terms of on the court the only headache comes when you start him next to another fucking center because you're a moronic front office who traded him for a king's bounty then yeah he's gonna look like he's worse than he is because he's overvalued but then also on the defensive end I think he regressed just a little bit and that could also be because like you know lack of motivation to do your thing because you're not

really prioritized on offense so you're moping down on the court defensively and all that but also I think he just looks like a little slower only watched the first 15 games of the season when they were getting used to him. Second half of the year, especially when Kat went down and he's hurt, he looked like Rudy Gobert. He was completely fine. People just stopped caring because nobody was watching the team because it was a shit show.

Yeah, he started to look a lot better when I would say Mike Conney was placed on that, was traded onto the Minnesota Timberwolves, but I don't know, like, that's part where I'm like, I don't know. Like, I just like Monster. He didn't change as a player. He didn't change as a player whatsoever. He was just in a worse situation

with a team that did not gel together at all. And once they made some moves to gel a little better, He looked better. They, once they made moves to get Mike Conley to hold his hand through the rest of the season, like, yeah, it got, it got better. So what the real issue here is the Angela Russell sucks ass. That's the real problem. I mean, listen, that's, we know that, right? We know that.

But it's okay. Do you give him Deelot and another center next to him? That's a pretty big issue. I guess. I don't know, man. I guess it sounds like excuses to me, but whatever. sounds like basic observations to me I don't know man

like when I Rudy Gobert he went from averaging two blocks per game for so long and all of a sudden them bitches are cut not in half but he average is like one one and a half 1.3 yeah and I'm like bro like you can't sit here and tell me like nothing change is worse

of blocking shots now statistically yes did you look at the numbers what are the numbers say yeah he is worse at blocking socks do I think he can get better but I think of basic ass numbers Exactly. I mean, what are you? I mean, quite literally, yes, it's right there in your face. Those numbers are undeniable. And also I think just athletically, he didn't feel the same. I don't know. Maybe it's me, maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping. You are correct. Okay. Your viewpoint is okay. And you are valid in your opinions. Do not gaslight yourself. Don't do that. I know what I see. I know what I see. I know what I. Maybe I'm tripping. You are correct. Okay. Your viewpoint is okay. And you are valid in your opinions. Do not gaslight yourself. Don't do that. I know what I see. Biggie's a support going on.

Biggie's a phone on. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, it's because the Timberwolves play a different type of defense than the Jazz did. The Jazz put a drop coverage of everything funnel to go bare. So he's always in position to block it. The Timber Bulls play up high on screen. So he's coming up to the level of the screen and not, he's not back there under the paint all the whole time. And he's the real only difference.

You're getting cuts. Can't turn around as fast enough for, bro. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's not even true. That's not even true. As far as being a seven-footer, Rudy Gobert is actually like pretty fucking agile

for somebody of that caliber. You look at him compared to a cat, compared to some bonus, compared to even like Jared Allen. Like he's on that same tier as Allen of mobility. Like we talk about it because it's like an easy thing to point to because everybody wants to roast him, but he's actually pretty fucking mobile for that size.

Now he's cool. He's cool. Nah. He is mobile. Who's going next? Mo, Mo, you're going next? Yeah.

Yeah, I'll go next. Okay. so okay so here's my next five all right so at number 10 i have window carter junior i love it way higher than what you had him uh donovan he's just a top 10 center look out for that when he goes up against your nicks at number nine i have jared allen at number 10 or my bad at number eight i have miles turner at number seven i have brooke lopez and at number six i have Sabonis. I think Brooke Lopez is just like,

I just can't imagine a world where I'm like, okay, I'd rather take Miles Strenner, Jared Allen, and Winnie Carter Jr's not in this T or discussion. But when it comes to those two players, I genuinely think Brooke Lopez brings more value when it's one of the best at what he's asked to do in the entire NBA. And so I'm just a Brooke Lopez fan.

I might go ahead and get me a jersey after this podcast. I didn't even realize that. I need to realize that until now. Yeah, and Sabonis is there because of respect. Yeah. I love the one of the part of love. He's so hard. He's so good.

He's so hard. He does so many small things that help. He's just such a smart defender. Coming out of college, back in his Duke days, A, I'm a stand because it's from Atlanta, of course, and I have to stand every person's from Atlanta. But also, he was pulling direct comparisons to Al Horford. You know, that just made things a little bit worse for him. I'm like, hey, man, I like his game. I am familiar with your game, and I want to go ahead and stand you.

And I'm going to stand. And just seeing how much better he got at every aspect of the game, he's more of aggressive. He's more of an aggressive score, still athletic, defense, that, rebounding, that, and doing all these things while not getting lost in the constant evolution and improvement of the Orlando Magic's roster, Franz being him still. and also Palo just being the face of the organization. I think it says a lot about the type of prayer that he is, and he's genuinely like a cornerstone piece for that team. And the Bulls, all Bulls fans should be weeping about letting him go. And Bulls fans are down bad right now.

Wendell's thriving. Larry's a star. Bad time to be Bulls fan. Yeah, tragic, treacherous moments, man. So you got Jared Allen at 9, Brooke Lopez at 8. I mean, Miles Turner at 8. I think Jared Allen's definitely better than Miles. Thomas Turner, I'd flip them, but, you know, same type of range.

I don't, I'm not, I don't, whatever, I have a month spot difference. Yeah, my only thing about Jared Allen is like, I'd rather have someone who can do more on offense. And that's just like a archetype thing. I generally, I like, I'm not going to war about it, but it's just like a, you know, like who can, who can take me potentially further if the team's built out perfectly. And I have, I think Miles Turner can definitely raise the ceiling compared to someone like Jared Allen. It just depends, bro. I'm not going to war. Eight or nine, who cares?

Yeah, you don't have any of you to argue about Jared Allen versus Miles Turner. What a nasty debate. Yeah, exactly, bro. Oh, bad. That's funny. I'll send your next five, Donovan. All right. Here on my next five.

At 10, I have Jared Allen, nine, Rudy Gobert, eight, DeAndre, eight, and seven, I have cat, six out of Brooke Lopez. You have Brooke Lopez over a cat. Cat, okay, now that is crazy. Yes. Now that is crazy. Listen, and I'm going to be. obviously you guys know how i feel about cat i'm not a fan of his i'm not a fan of his of his game and so and so this is like very biased whatever i when we are in this range and i said it earlier

we're talking about like are you going to do your job are you going to do this when i look at cat i feel kind of the same way that you feel about subonis where it's like hey if he's on your team you're you're not really going to do any any type of like real winning because he's too good for you to be like complete trash and he's too good to where like you you kind of do have to run the offense to him through him but he's also not good at defense he's like he has all these limitations so you're going to be like you're going to hit a wall I'd I'd rather have Brooke Lopez on my team if I'm winning a game tomorrow if I need to win a game tomorrow I'd much rather have Brooke Lopez on my team than cat now this is mean recency bias right here this is

true I think I can't I can't I can't do I'm not I'm not going to have cat I'm not going to I think if you had Janice, Drew, Drew Holliday, and Chris Middleton next to Cat, you would like him a lot more than you do Rick Lopez. He just, he doesn't have that luxury. So, like, the, it's easy to look good next to those guys as a stretch five. It's a perfect role to be in. And I think Cat is just, what do you want from Cat? Like, what do you, he's going to, you can't even, you can't even say, oh,

cat's going to go and get you 25. Because whenever we get into playing situations or playoff situations, he's going to, He's going to turn the ball over. He's going to miss a bunch of shots. He's going to run down the court, try to be big purges, yelling at himself. No, I'm not taking cat on my team. And I'm giving him, you're lucky I didn't put him outside my top 10. I'm giving him enough respect here, right?

I'm giving him enough respect here. I don't want anything to do with Carl Anthony Town. If we're talking about winning basketball games, he's not on my team. And I don't want to win. Why are you pointing at the screen? Bro, because I'm like. Put your fucking hand down. I don't like.

like I'm not a fan of his I'm not a fan of his I'm not a fan of his oh my god start convulsing it just makes me so mad it makes me so mad watching people

it makes me so mad watching people like either like praise cat or like still expect cat to be this type of guy he's not he's not that guy and I think from Minnesota

I think from Minnesota legitimately one of the things that they need to do is they need to get over themselves and trade Kat somewhere else that way they can build this team they would be better off if they had just Anthony Edwards

and Rudy Gobert they would do that and the only reason why I put Kat above Rudy is simply because the shooting numbers are just undeniable the splits are crazy

like he he can you know get a bucket machine but he should be like the fourth option on your team he should not be something he should not be something

he should this is crazy he should not be something that you know running that you're running offense for someone who has so much disdain for car anthony towns you're going to be so sick when he's traded to the new york nix i promise you i promise you i promise you right now because i've had this conversation before with a couple other people and they've told me like oh yeah what like what are you doing if cat if cat gets traded to the nix i will put my fandom on pause i will go root for another i will go root for another team i'm not

I'm not rooting for Carr Anthony Towns on my team. It's it can't happen. It can't happen. And it would genuinely be and actually, we'll put that on pause. I don't know. I love the Knicks. So you'd rather have Kavon Lune in your team than Kaur Anthony Towns right now? A hundred percent.

A hundred percent. Contracts included, would I rather pay Kavanaughn Luni $15 million? Or would I rather pay Carl Anthony Towns $55 million? Oh, my goodness. Are we serious? Give me, who's the last person that I have on my list? The last, give me Christian Wood. Give me, give me Nirkus.

I'm not taking, actually, listen, listen, Woodman's kind of crazy. Yeah, he's kind of crazy. Whoever else is below, like, I didn't put Mason Plumley on my list, right? Because I was doing the Vic and Chet thing. Give me Mason Plum, I don't want Carl Anthony Towns on my team. He is the last person I want. There's a personal vendetta This is hilarious

If we're talking about I just I can't do it I can't do it His vibes are crazy It really like I'm actually irked right now His vibes are just No

No I think naturally when it comes to cat Like he's already Was always put as At a disservice He has natural flaws That don't allow him To naturally

It won't put Because of his flaws He won't be able to just You have to put a specific team around him with cat and when you do the complete opposite and move him at the four and do all this wonky stuff on the offensive end like paint a little bit more clogged and all that like it just amplifies all of his issues like times five which is nasty yeah and so now cat is in a weird position the entire organization is in a weird position now they're going to have to trade cat

because of the stupid ass move that they did a year ago now and i think cat is better than what you're giving him i think what's just binding you is that i said he's He's the seventh best center in the NBA, and now I'm, like, blinded. Yes, seven is crazy. I mean, I don't have that much higher, so it's not that crazy. Seven. I mean, I don't either, but it's like seven is like, come on now. Like, we can be better than that?

Can we? I'm not defending. Look, the greatest thing that Carinthony towns, the greatest thing that he's done. It's just like Brooke Lopez is a role player at this point. Like, he just can't do it. It's the things a lot of people do is like you glorify people that. don't have a lot of holes because I'm not asked to do as much. But that's the reason why.

If Carlin County Towns was asked to be a role player, he'd be fucking incredible. Like, it's just like, it's biased towards somebody who has higher expectations, but they're still a better player. They just, like you said, have high expectations for what they have to do. Exactly. And so because of like, I, if you are, if you are better, then yes, I'm going to expect more out of you. And if you can't do that, then it's like, yo, you're just in this weird space where you're, again, you're not bad enough to where I can just be like, oh, you go over there, but you're also

just good enough to where you're going to disappoint me every single time. And I can't, and I can't deal with that on my, on my team. So I'm not taking it. Within those expectations, you have to see through it and understand the predicament that they're put in too. But I don't care. Genuinely, when I think of Car Anthony Towns, I immediately think of Jordan Woods in a collaboration he did with Gideon, like a couple months ago, bro. Those are some of the most memorable things. It was some of the most You were going somewhere else In your collaboration

Bro Same I was like No no no no no No no I can't talk about nothing on this spot Yeah Cut cut

Stop the presses Oh man Let's be one's the top five This is hilarious Going to wow Wow And number five I have car in Lincoln Towns

Man is the legend apparently A four I had Bam out of bio Three Anthony Davis to Joel and B. You're so lucky I don't flip them. One, Nicole Iokic. I was fully expecting you to flip them and put AD over it. Wow.

I'm giving him be his credit. He deserves it. He's been better, does more responsibility. Man, if I had to pick somebody in a playoff series, I don't think I'm picking Joel and Bid. Wow, man. Yeah, I have the exact same with you, Isaac. I nearly put AD at 2 and Joel Embed at 3 because of all.

the mishaps that joan b just happens to have but then i have to remember like you know like the whole injury thing ad has that too and also like ad joll and b don't play with fucking lebron so exactly sure like things would be different if joll and bid had lebron on his team but sadly he doesn't whenever he goes down he has to rely on fucking tobias harris and like that's a team decline and drop off so that's why i give him he's the number one option has to carry it he carries an immense load as number one option. Like, I'm just joking when I make a fun of him in the playoff series things.

The way Joel Embed is able to be a lead creator as a big man is incredible. It's only him and Yokes are capable of doing that. For everything, Adi does well, he's a better defender than Embedd, I think. He has his offensive strengths, of course, but being able to be the lead engine creating offense for other people

as a center out of the post, especially, like the high post, like, Embed. It's so hard to do that and be able to be mobile like he is, be able to not be a great passer, but create opportunities that you keep the ball moving with and that creates for others. AD's never really been able to do that

and that's just a difference that you can't. Like, you can't look past that because of injuries. Yeah. I'm cool with that. I literally had the same as you. It's so funny. I had the same, I had the same, like, do I want to?

Do I want to? Because that, listen, that recency bias was coming in. Strong. Strong. Something that I am happy about and I feel like the rest of the NBA community he has turned the corner is like bam out of bio is genuinely a better player than 90 per better center than like 95 90% of the NBA he's officially like surpassed cat um and that's something

yeah i think yeah for sure i think he's definitely been done that but i think holistically now like this is this is something that everyone agrees with worldwide around the NBA community the defense is invaluable he's made a leap offensively been more aggressive has of course his bag has always been there but I think everyone realizes just how much offense you could run through him at times even though you don't want him not ideally being your first or second option but he's shown capabilities of doing that and so bam is bam bro he's he's an amazing fine player bro yeah most of the defense things I think he's legitimately a defensive

player the your caliber defender so at on not the best offensive skills like he's not as good as like cats a bonus or whatever offensively but There is offensive utility there. He is a solid passer. He can do stuff in the short role. He's a good ball handler. He has a little floater game. He's a good finisher coming up when he's having others create for him,

giving him dump off passes and stuff. So he does enough on offense that you can really, really raise him high for that defense. Yeah, for sure. I'm so happy for band, bro. I still can't go around. Donovan. Yeah, for sure. You at the same five.

So Donovan, what's yours? All right. So my five, I have a bonus at five. Bam at 4 AD Embed Yokic So I'm just I'm giving some bonuses His credit Like last year in Sacramento was just crazy And he's like close to he's close to a triple double

That team was the three seat like If you're gonna do it for one year You gotta you gotta give him some some type of props now So I'll put him out five That's fair I just think that Obviously his defensive limitations Are his defensive limitations

I think you'll never win with him like I said but it's his offensive limitations that really bother me too he plays such a specific style of offense that we saw against the Warriors which it's hard to hold it too much against him because the Warriors are like a genius defensive team that are as good as any team ever at abusing your weaknesses and it took 50 points in game 7

to knock him out when De Aaron Fox broke his finger so it's like yeah but I just think that the things that the Warriors did to expose a bonus in terms of sagging off him negating his passing by not allowing the triple handoffs to work because they just ignore Sabonis and force him to be a perimeter shooter. I think that's just like easy to do and like every team can do that. I don't think it was like some genius high level thinking that Steve Kerr pulled out that isn't

replicable. He was the first one to think of it and do it. But I think like every other team can replicate that. And I think that's going to be a sub bonus issue going forward. And I know he was dealing with a hand injury for the second half of the season. So maybe that was what was destroying his shooting touch and maybe that's what you can point to as the reason why he was just standing there wide open, not shooting. But I kind of tend to believe that's who he is. I think it's a little bit of both I don't think he's going to be as much of a non-shooter as he was

like moving forward because the amount of space that he had was just ridiculous right and like for somebody that has like the offensive talent like he does excuse me for somebody that has the offensive talent like he does and has more of like a green light

like they do that to Dremont but Dremont obviously doesn't have like the green light like to bonus to take those jumpers he's he's gonna be okay and if he takes two or three of those jumpers a night or in a series it's gonna be much better I just there's a reason he wasn't taking him

he's not fucking good at him like I don't want to taking home that's the problem you still have to it was so jarring bro if nobody is around you if the closest person to you is seven feet away you're gonna have to take an elbow jumper like you're just gonna have to do it and I think that he would have if he could make him and I think that

I think that the hand injury hurt a little right and so I'm gonna give you him the benefit of the doubt too but it's just like the rebounding is really nice the passing is is nice and for a team where it's like i mean listen you you're looking at at sacramento and you say it all the time that you think like you don't want to give de er and fox i think i think mo and i are higher on dearon fox than you are and like would you take sub bonus or would you take fox oh that's actually that's actually the complete opposite what i thought you know i had a whole point

I had a whole point set up. Never mind. We're here. I just, I just rate Fox a little lower because I think there's a lot of good point guards. Oh my goodness. I don't fucking want Sabonos on my team.

I'm sorry. Like the way you feel like Cat, I feel about Sabonis. Not to that dramatic extent of like, I don't want like someone's dead. Like you hate Cat. Okay, come on now. Come on now.

Come on. I'm joking. But like I don't have like a person who's dead against Samonis. I don't have an interesting. and building around him for the resources it would take for the touches he would demand as the caliber player he is i just have no interest of building around that type of player that's fair and after next listen when we do this next season subonis might be number 10 he might have a serious but as but as for this season going into next year and you look at the kings and like the office

structure and they're keeping everything the same in the regular season i think that they're still going to be really good and i think it's going to be because of subonis and how he kind of unlocks that offense so I'm going to give them the props. That's fair. Solid. I don't. It's marginal.

But I 100% agree with everything you guys said. Next year, I don't imagine a world where the Kings, maybe they do end up being a third or second seed or whatever. But I'm going to see through subonis's flaws. And I just don't see a way where I can put them like six still. She's stricken people. This is just a nod. And I have to respect it. bonus is a genuinely good NBA player.

But he just has such glaring flaws that are so important to winning in basketball to the points where, like, we can't win with you, bray. Your arms too small. Yeah. Yeah, man. He said arms too small. I just got that. I mean, that's our top 30 centers in the NBA list.

Yeah. Let that be the end of this segment, ushering in TikTok time. Oh, let's go As always, we're going to start with the draft But this time we're going to do a twist in the draft I feel like the making kind of stale We're going to do something different This time instead of drafting five players

With a certain criteria We're all going to start with the same player And build a team around them And the best player to start with that The most unique player, Steph Curry We're all going to build a team around Steph Curry Wardell, I will set you up to win No worries

We're going to do only current players No, you will not, Mo. No, you would. So we're going to do only current players. We've got to build around them. And because we already have a point guard, we're going to add six men to this, so we still draft five players each.

Gotcha. Let's draft NBA lineups around Steph Curry with only current players. All right. I got first pick. Mo gets second, Donovan third. All right. First pick, give me Nicole Yokich.

Dream combination. Best passer in the league, best off ball shooter. Dream come true. You got moist. by saying that. I already know it's a drink from true for you, man. No worries. Go ahead. Give me LeBron James. Genuinely, the best player you could pair up with Steph other than Shaq. Passing is going to be crazy. Force to the rim. Him.

I respect it. Donovan you got. Okay. First off, right now, this is where I win. Give me, give me Janus, give me KD. That's pretty great. Steph KD. Yannis. It's a wrap. It's a rap. It's pretty great. That's crazy.

That's elite. Can't hate on that. Can't hit on that. I don't know how you pick. I would have picked Janus. I should have picked Janus. Yeah, I should have picked Janus. But the passing moves me.

The passing moves you from LeBron, bro. A couple of series up there. I'm mad, though, because I see what this is playing out, and I'm upset already. Why are you upset? Okay. So go ahead. Because I know the picture. At my four, give me Zion,

Williamson. Okay. Unique pick, him and LeBron, not necessarily the greatest fit along Steph, but Steph's gravity makes up for everything imaginable. Okay, I like that. I'm going to go with this double pick, Jason Tatum, and Kauai Leonard. I got two big wing defenders to cover my two iffy defenders. I'm in there.

Okay, nice. Speaking of defense, go ahead and give me Anthony Davis. Spacing is dokey butt. But, hey, spacing is dukey, but don't worry about that. It's not a question when you have stuff. All right, okay. That's cool. Damn, I should have picked the AD low-key.

That's what I thought you were going to go. I forgot about him. I didn't write anything down this time. I was trying to think, like, who's the best players in the league? I was running through it in my head. I was like, no Luca, no dame. All right. Wait, can I pick my six-man already or no?

You can if you want. Okay. I have a double pick so I'll do this So for my sixth man Give me dame And wait Six man has to be an actual six man Come on

Fraud Oh that's what My bad I didn't know the name Okay So at my two Yeah we do that At my two

Give me Paul George Okay And then And then at my five Listen this guy They just worked together So well I just have to have them

Give me Dremont Green I knew you're gonna do that that's a good pick i knew it that's solid pick best best players i wasn't i was a pick of people came back around to me solid that's a lot i like that all right so for my two this is not natural but the play style is fucking ridiculous give me tyrese halliburn flying up and down to court and that in that pace throwing lobs to zion lebron ad spotting out step in the corner vibes are immaculate your team is mad experimental that that's what i'll say I still don't know if it's great

But it's you you might be cook Listen you could be cooking But you could be cooking But you could also have him in 2K Put this team in 2K And you'll see what I'm talking about You'll see what I'm talking about You'll see

I was gonna go Luca Donchich And go just all out talent Let me pick the perfect player To play next to Yokic Give me Jaron Jackson Jr. That's good That's a good pick Yep

That's a great pick That's a great pick And then Sixth man for six man give me the best score that's a bench player in the league give me Tyler Hero

shit I needed him easy pick I needed him for the sake I needed him for the sake of spacing and you stole my pick okay love it

give me the actual six man of the year Malcolm Brogden does everything for me if he makes it to the playoffs they definitely will bro match us up on 2K and see what happens You got him, A.D. Zion. You got an infirmary team.

Injuries. And the chest came in by Yolkitch. Injuries off in 2K. And I promise you will be straight. Okay. Where do I want to go with this? Where do I want to go? I kind of want like a tweener. We're going to. We're all here. We're all here. With my sixth man. Give me Josh Hart. It's a good pick. I respect that. Yeah. So that's this. It's not a cut.

That's ass. Just so bad. You could have picked you Manuel quickly. What the hell is wrong with you? You're a next fan. I was thinking, listen. I was thinking quickly, but heart has more versatility. I like Hart.

It's not ass. It's not terrible. It's a ass fake, bro. I wouldn't have done that. I would have picked Bobby Fortis. All right. So I got Steph Curry, Jason Tatum, Kauai Leonard, Jared Jackson, Nicole Yokish.

Tall line. Oh, my goodness. After that very much. Wow. Lockedown. You have Luca, you said? Damn. No, I didn't pick Luca.

Oh, you didn't pick Luca. Okay. Curry, Jane, instead. Okay. Who's gonna, okay. Okay, damn. Yeah, your team is fucking nasty, bro. Yolk is along with all them big ass people.

Fuck, man. Yeah. We're done. We're done, Donovan. Don't say we. Don't say we. You. I'm not with you.

Your bottom tier white with me. Your bottom tier too. I refuse to me. I refuse. Say your team. Say your team and then I'll say my team and then you can see how much better my team is. Okay. Okay. Okay. So of course, Steph Curry, whatever cool, got Halliburne, LeBron, Zion, AD. And for my sixth man, I got Brogden. Halliburton was a weird pick. Hallibur is not a weird pick at all. You see the fit. Yeah, we all see the fit. It's not super natural. I don't see the fit at all. He's a big point guard, pass first, likes to play fast. He's another point guy who has dumbass range.

And what do you mean? Okay, I guess. All right, so you're over there. Why not pick Luca over Halliburton? Exactly. Moving on. He can't even explain it. Anyways, so my team, I have Steph Curry, Paul George,

Kevin Durant, Yannis, Draymond, and Josh Hart coming off the bench. It's a pretty good team. I can't rock with Josh Hart. You hit your chest caved in by Luca Donchich, I mean by Nicole Yokic, but it's a good team. Yeah, exactly well. John is right there. Yeah, I'm just going to have to worry about Jaron Jackson, give him a mouthful. Whoa.

Next TikTok. Yeah. I meant to say a handful. I meant to handful. No, you know what you were doing. Next thing we're going to do. So great. Next thing we're going to do, we're not going to do the tier list.

We're going to do a tier list a little bit later. Shaking it up. Mix it up. Mix up the order. Next thing we're going to do it, we're going to rate some NBA mascots. This will be fun. Mo, I think you as a mascot show if you're hosting this one. Yep.

Hit us with that hook and we can laugh at these motherfuckers. Okay, cool. Let's rate these NBA mascots. Okay. All right. So first up, we got the Denver Nuggets mascot. I don't even know what the dude's called. I think his name is Rocky.

Is that a cat? I think it is Rocky. Listen, I want to take off points because it's a nut. Nugget and we just put this cat out here But he's in this hot suit A mile above sea level He for sure cannot breathe At any time during the game

I'm giving him a 10 out of 10 Dedication bro I hope he has a nice salary He deserves it bro I bet When you're doing something this strenuous You just have to want it bad enough He probably does a volunteer

He probably doesn't even get paid He's just about the grind Yeah exactly bro And that's what I want for my Mastagox Fast, exactly. Make my family have a better time on there. They're for the love of the game. I love it, bro.

I love it, bro. This is a W mascot. Never been in any beef ever. All right. Next mascot. Whoa. We got the Sacramento Kings Lion. Who is this?

This is too much of a furry. This is a little too HD for me. This is. This is kind of scary. This looks like it can scare the kids. I'm three. Yeah, it looks like I took some scarecrow gas and then I looked at this. Like it's,

it looks like my worst nightmare version. This definitely could have been. When they did movie costume design in the 70s, this is what it looked like. This is the line from the Wizard of Oz. Y'all ever watch Between the Lions? Y'all over, you're all over on a PBS show? Oh, of course.

Classic. This is between the Lions. Yeah, bro. They got the PBS budget out here. Yeah, bro. This line looks like the monster under my bed. I don't know what they were thinking

with this right here. You can't see the eyes. You can't even see the eyes. Yeah, that's a scary part. Does the lion look like you spends a lot of time on Reddit? Yeah, what are you trying to say? I'd be on Reddit.

That's a very specific demographic for people who don't know Reddit. Soul. That's the next one. all right next up we got whatever the fuck we got whatever this is the miami produced what is this bro this looks like a reject of some kid show bro it looks like he was supposed to be a long lines of dummies outside of car dealerships they're all oh bro like this this doesn't even make any sense it doesn't make it looks like it belonged on you know remember that cartoon show called

some things imaginary kids imaginary house of kids or whatever the hell Nope Blue's house Of imaginary kids I think that was called This looks like an imaginary cartoon This looks like an abomination That was some yo gabba gabba shit

Yeah bro Yeah This looks like a cat's shoe toy It looks like It looks like they were trying to give The mascot like superpowers And then this is just like a failed experiment Why come they just keep it simple

And just make a flame It looks like they got a glue stick And rubbed it on an orange cat And picked it up And that's what it looked like Yeah bro Like there you go Oh, false is home from your phrase.

That's what you meant? Yes, exactly. I couldn't think of the name for some reason, bro. But it looks like what it is. Oh, no, listen. I, I, I, 100% knew what Moe was talking about. I was just going along that I didn't know. He was just describing it so poorly.

Yeah. This looks like it would be a cleaning product that cleaned your dishes really well. Like it would be marketing on like TikTok. Actually, this looks like it belongs on a vacuum commercial, bro. After my dumb ass for your old kid, spilled some, spill some of his great news, on my carpet's like no worries I got you this is how you do it it's a scrub daddy product

yeah yeah definitely nightmarish um I'm gonna give this like a two it's kind of weird I don't know I want to say one because it just doesn't make any sense it's not as scary as the

as the Kings one so I give it a four it looks more family friendly it's like true you get points for that of your mascot so I just think he looks dumb I don't fuck with him All right, what's next All right, we got the San Antonio Spurs Dingo

This is a Dingo First of all It's not a Dingo, it's a coyote Oh shit Dingo is crazy We got the San Antonio Spurs Coyote Ten out of 10

Easy 10 This is one of my favorite mascot He's like that Oh man You got a picture him when you're right His eyes He's psycho This guy's a good hang

He's just the type of guy you want That brings the energy This is like a hammy from over the head I fuck with him heavy see this makes sense bro shout out to the San Antonio spurs I mean hitting their mascot it does you're you're in Texas you're in Texas I mean that everybody coyotes in Texas that well I mean like that doesn't mean that they make imagery I like them I like him the coyote school because he's just like always doing random stuff he's he like he really just be out here like being a mascot like he really

embodies that like like you know what I'm saying like listen there's a lot of mascots that don't bring it every night this guy he does he shows up every day lunch Lunch pale in his hand, he comes to work. He entertains the fans. I like it. I'm with it. Damn near iconic, if you ask me, man. He wakes up every day.

Supports his coyote family is a good dad. I fuck with him. This is a solid eight, bro. But it's just a little bit of crazy behind his eye that you know when he has the chance to be unhinged. He's out of there. This is solid. All right. It was next.

Look at it. He's jumping in the picture. He's just doing something. That's true. I need to catch that. It's a wild boy. All right The Orlando

Magics Abomination Is that a fucking cow? This looks like Eight animals combined into one No, genuinely This is a failed Disney character For sure

This is a Bojack Horseman character This guy's crazy He doesn't have a number That's lame No number He has he's wide He's not even on the team for real

Don't rock with him like that He has the mouth Of a cow Oh my goodness bro This is just a trocheous all around. I don't know what they were aiming for when he comes to this. This is what magic is. This makes me want to don't believe in magic.

It's like, this looks like a black magic, dude. What was he thinking about? This is a three. Yeah, I'll give it a solid three. The colors are cool. Creative, I guess. I don't know what they're creating, but they're cooking something. It's not creating. This is like, this is like a drawing from a four-year-old. That doesn't make sense, bro. You draw something that comes to life. This just pops out. Yeah, bro.

The fact that Aaron Gordon brought this out in the dunk contest probably is the reason what lost, what cost to him the dunk contest, bro. I would have out. Yeah, for sure. Investigating about the coyote out. He would have won. Facts for sure. Showmanship on a thousand. Yeah, for sure.

Pure vibes. Next one. Woo! Oklahoma City Thunder. This is a buffalo? OKC is buff license. I thought that was Lou Dort. That's crazy.

damn this is crazy this is like a costume you see like a 90s Disney channel movie where like the movie's about somebody being turned into an animal and having to be a high schooler or something this is crazy looking yeah because the face really does look

kind of realistic a little bit I don't I have no words remember that Will Smith movie on Netflix about like the ogres were like amongst people and it was like an allegory for race

Oh, yeah. That movie was trash. This is the character from Bright. That's the movie. That was so bad. That was so bad. That check had to be crazy, though. Shout out Will Smith.

Oh, my goodness. I'll give this a cool. I'll give this a cool seven. This is a solid mascot. It looks, it's a little bit scary, but it's kind of cool, so I'll look past with scariness.

Why does nobody have a mascot that actually matches their name? Like, we haven't been, we haven't seen anything that's bad. Can we get Benny the Bull here? Yeah, Brett. He's out here. I don't even want to talk about this movie. That was a waste of two hours. I'm doing it. Yeah, no, I have to imagine no kid has ever willingly wanted to take a picture with this mascot in particular, bro. Nightmare. This is like a six. Counterpoint. I like it, but it does look kind of stinky. I'll say that. He's sweating his balls off and ever. Are you kidding me? Kind of sticky?

Uh-huh. Might have the job of do it's six. I'm going to lie. That is a musty mascot. Yeah, musty is hell Ha ha ha ha ha Next one Ooh Anything associated with the clippers Zero I don't know what this is

It's a whack mascot What is this It's a conduit This is disgusting, bro No this is a looney tune That face is too HD It's too cartoony It just looks like it's a wannabe

Looney tune character I feel like I've seen this animal in a cereal box before or on a cereal box before 2 can Sam Yeah 2 cam Sam want to be bro

Fraud I wish I wish that the Clippers Would do something that would make me look at them And be like oh they're not lame But then they roll this guy out every single night To entertain the fans it's like Guys you're doing it to yourself This is the character you see in TV shows

When they have like fake cartoons that the kids are watching That are like ripoffs of William Toons or Disney That's what this looks like Yeah bro This is a parody of a existing character. Yeah, bro. A blue leg mascot is wild.

That's crazy. They got their mascot from the flea market. Yeah, from the flea market. Yeah, bro. Who is that? Hold on. Who is that?

This changes things. I did not know he was dripped out. Did he take a trip to Atlanta or what? He took a trip to Atlanta. Hold on. He's paying the town red. This is crazy. This might have to be a nine.

He went from like a four to a ten. Drip out? Cuban Link? I was not familiar with this game I didn't know this is you my bad my bad fam my bad pal you got it you got 10

yeah this picture's a 10 bro I see how you like the clip is more now yeah yeah bro he looked like a real person in that one with the change of the second he looked like incredibly human

no that's shit hungering right there yeah so good Shout out of shit. Is that it? Next up. Ah! Oh my God!

Now, this is nightmarish, genuinely. What were you thinking? I'm scared. This is a misadventures, a flopjack character. This is horrifying. Oh, yo.

I don't like this. I just have like the inner urge to punch it in the face. I don't like this. This, the only reason why this is, what is that saying? I heart king. The only reason why this is a mascot is because it's because of Mardi Gras, bro.

No. This is a Mardi Gras tradition. This is why this is their mascot. It's ridiculous. This is a Hills Have Eyes tradition. This thing is terrifying. I swear to God. I've seen this dude on Annable.

He's one of them, he's one of them mystical, evil-ass dolls that are in scary movies. Seen him before. No, I don't, I don't rock with this. I don't rock with this. I have to get serious on this one. I don't rock with this. This is booed. I think we had to intervene.

This is that magic. Mm-mm. I think we need to take action. I think we have to kill this baby. Oh, you're thinking, woo, killing is crazy. We could have just gone for a lawsuit, but okay. No, this is a zero.

I don't fuck with this at all. Yeah, this is easily a zero. This is, this does nothing. How do you bring excitement to the game? It does something. It makes me upset. Honestly, bro. Honestly, bro.

It makes me not want to ever go to the smoothie game arena. To be real, dude, you just made my day worse by showing me this yeah exactly bro i'm gonna leave the episode's over sorry guys yeah i have a bad baby to beat up next one next up is that it the last one oh that's nice there's some mascots thank goodness because if there were more mascots like that i couldn't do it i couldn't do it you're about the godvin nightmares yeah can't handle it I have to sleep with the light on today

That's hilarious That's great Next thing we're going to do We're going to go back to some basketball talk This time we're going to do something we've been doing We're going position by position Talking about the best players in franchise histories Today we're going to talk about shooting guards

Okay So those will be fun Bucky Gitters So I'm going to name some teams And we got to say who's the best shooting guard in their history So who is the best shooting guard in this NBA team's history I said that weird

Who is the best shooting guard in this NBA team's history The Golden State Warriors I mean it has to be Clay Clay It has to be Clay It has to be Clay Yeah

Does it? Once so many The Ray's a small Ford Is it very small Ford? Yeah In my mind yeah Chris Mullen The bus call was so bad

That I have to put Clay over him Vibs is terrible Yeah I don't know I mean I think Clay's a better shooter He's a better defender He's a more historic He's in more history books bro

It has to be clay Yeah One chips Done historic shit that will never be broken 50 points in 29 minutes I think with limited gerbils I think you took 13 dribbles or something crazy Like I don't know what it was

But it was insane so Yeah I'm cool with it We're gonna have mad 42 year old yelling at us But I'm cool with it You know nothing about ball Shut up man If I have a stroke

That's what we just passed the four at them You just say Four rings Four rings They're knocking down the doors The retirement homes Next up The Boston Celtics

Ooh Besides Avey Bradley We know that's obviously the answer Oh yeah true true true True good call Good call Damn What is it

It's like Sam Jones or Casey Jones If we're getting respect To the old guys But if we're talking about Post merger When basketball actually started what John have a check is he shooting guard he's he's he's he's I would think of him as a wing I don't think of him as a wing but I don't know yeah I thought he was a

three let's see what he's listed as and isn't he pre-segregation okay have a check most of his years are a small fours he won't count him okay it can't okay it's not Jalen Brown's on the competition is Ray Allen was too when he got there was he got a chip though damn we were this is a good ass question is Ray Allen no he left and went to the heat can't be around their largest the legacy is tarnished I don't know this this is kind of tough let's just go ahead and give it to Jaylon Brown I'm not giving it okay we're not gonna to Jaylor Brown that's not the defaults he's not oh y'all Hayden you know what we will give it we'll give it to

Ray Allen say no that's bad I mean, listen, a majority of those starts have been wing. So it's like the two guard hasn't really been a strength of theirs. Fuck it, Bill Sharman. Oh, my God, bro. Y'all will do anything but give it to Jalen Brown. So who are we going? We're going to Ray Allen.

I'm not giving this to Jalen. Sure, whatever. I want Jalen, but we'll go Ray, even though he's a traitor. This is going to going to war for fucking Jalen Brown. I feel like we're forgetting somebody We 100% are And people Think about the eras who

Yeah they have a lot of small forwards Point guards and centers They have had to Sam Jones I think we gotta go Sam Jones Over Ray Allen I think That's fine Let's do it I hate when we give respect

To pre-segregation basketball But you gotta do what you gotta do Lame The Milwaukee Bucks Chris Middleton Chris Milton It is not Chris Lumpy head milton why not

Lumpy head come on What do you have against Lord Lumpy He's not Ray Allen He's not Sidney Monkrieff You can go Ray Allen if you really want But they also have Sidney Moncrief Young Ray is so underrated bro

Forget about him But there's Sidney Moncrief I'm going I'm going with Sinney Moncrief. Let's do it. Yeah, it's like Ray Allen has the cool factor. Like he was, he was awesome, but Sidney Monkrieve is legitimately one of the best players in the NBA in his day. I don't know if you do.

Ray Allen was never a top five player in the league. Never. Top five vibes for sure. Yeah, I mean, listen, the vibes are there. But he's just, he's not sitting. He's not Mr. Monkrieh. Just because his jersey was, just because he had the cool bucks jersey, he doesn't mean that he's the best shooting guards that they've ever had. Just because he had some cool movies.

doesn't mean he was better than Cudy Moncrief. Movie. Not movie. He could not act. He could not act. Chris Middleton is still the greatest to me. The Clippers. We do not care.

Paul George. You do not care. Y'all can have this one. I'm sitting this one out. I'm not discussing. Paul George. I'm not discussing Clipper history. I'm not doing that.

Got it. That's so bleak, bro. Not doing it. So are we skipping the clubbers just because of the clippers? Lou Will. All right. Next team. All right.

The Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay. Are we counting Thunder and Sonic history? Yes. Okay, cool. Either way, it's probably still like, wait. How we, is Shane a point guard or a shooting guard? Depends on who you talk to.

James Hardin? In terms of his. Thunder queer for sure James Hardin was never an all-star with the Thunder yeah exactly here's a better Thunder player for sure here's what say Shay is a point guard or a shooting guard depending on what agenda we are trying to push facts if we want him to be better than Trey young he's a point guard for this video he's a shooting guard so we're taking Shay let's go already there you go there

there might be a super sonics player I'm not thinking of him back in the day maybe it's like was it was it named is Dale Ellis The old heads be mad. Let the old huds be mad. Old heads. Please tell us what we're missing. Is it Del Ellis? Is that his name?

Del Ellis? I thought it was Del Demps or something. I wouldn't. No. Yeah. Maybe you want to go Dale Ellis. He was a great shooter. But I don't know.

It might be Shay already. It's Shay. I don't know who was out there playing in the 90s. They don't have drip like Shay. So they're not getting the knot. Was he ever on league fits like Shay? No. We got to start having a tally

For the amount of league fits drops That Mo has every episode Listen, we are a very pro league fits pot Facts facts We love league fits here All right man That's the end of that TikTok Next thing we're gonna do

We're gonna do a classic A tier list like always And this time we're gonna do a tier list Of NBA teams that lost in the finals Loser Loser alert Yeah the best losing teams Let's put these NBA

final's losers into a tier list. First off, 2016 Warriors. Gotta be S-tier losers. Oh, yeah. Listen, for two reasons, though. One, they are actually a great team, 73 and 9.

Two, they lost in the most embarrassing fashion of all time. You blow a 3-1 lead, lose a game 7 on your home floor. Steph gets dotted up by Kyrie on the wing. S-tier all around. That was a monumental losing effort. You lost because,

your cornerstone player is a serial dick puncher and couldn't help himself crazy also also don't forget harrison barnes was out there hitting the side of the backboard over and over and over again nobody showed up yeah and that's when the and that's when the term the currie stopper matthew delavendova really went ahead and started going crazy yep Matthew Delvedo was putting himself in a cardiac arrest just to try to hold Steph Curry to 25. Yeah. Next one.

The 2012 Thunder. 2012 Thunder. You got to give him an A? B? No, I'll say A. You had three MVPs on the team. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty generous. They weren't like real MEP.

I mean, Hardin wasn't at that level. Yeah, Hardin wasn't there yet. I guess, I guess. They were young, too. And Russ was an MVP level yet. The only one that you could say that was Katie, but even he was young. They did lose four straight, too. They won game one and they got, okay, yeah, yeah, I'll go beat.

I'll go beat. This has to be best. I damn never want to say C, but. Yeah, I'd say C before I say A, honestly. Yeah, let's say C. No, no, no, no, no, no. I hate you. Okay, I'll live a B.

I'll live a B. I, whatever B it is. The 2022 Celtics. Is this A or B? I don't know. was an all-time great defense like legitimately they just didn't have the offensive creation to keep up with the Warriors and that that Warriors team wasn't even like it wouldn't even

great yeah the Warriors team wasn't like a top two championship team either so like I'm saying yeah I'm saying it has to be B I think B is solid you have to give them the respect for how far they came and just how to work their defense no I don't we're ranking final losers everybody got to this point

they're not special well they were special for what they did see what did they do they do they did the same things every other team on the list see we're going to see

okay cool yeah see's fine all right whatever the 96 supersonics oh listen you kind of have to put them in B

they were just facing 72 and 10 but they were they were amazing in the regular seat because they won like 69 games I think or 60 something

it was like 60 they can't be A that's what Cain was giving them boys fit man Gary Payne was given MJ fucking fits bro if it wasn't for injuries Peyton camp was still camp I think that's a solid day if it wasn't for injuries bro like we we might be having entirely different discussions about the Supersonics team and Gary Payton so I think it's a is warranted and different discussions about those

bulls yeah a is warranted but okay the 2007 Cavs F tier that's That team was trash This is just LeBron This is just LeBron And was Carlos Boozer on this team or no No It was Drew Gooden It's like Larry Hughes

Big Z Very Z This is gross No this is terrible Maybe maybe we go D Actually no I don't even know No Rank this LeBron against every other team

That's how about that That's a good They have like They have an amazing version of bronze So maybe that gives him D at least No No, they are getting swept in every finals that you put them. They are not a good finals team.

Okay, D's fair enough. They'd be F. D. They suck. All right, next up, what do I have next? The 2017 calves. 2017 calves. Also, also a tier. Yeah, A tier.

This is one of the better teams of the modern era to not win a championship. They got better from 2016, had one of the best offenses of the modern NBA. Their defense was just as good, if not better. Once the playoffs started, they just lost to the best team ever assembled. Exactly. They didn't took games. Loki is S, honestly. Oh, I don't think there were S.

I would stick to A. I would stick to A. This team was better than the 2016 team that beat the Warriors. They are not the level of losers or as good as the 2016. Yes, they are. They definitely are as good as that 2016 Warriors team. They literally are not. They are not.

They're not as good. as 73 and 9. That's not happening. Oh, that's an interesting-ass conversation. They're better than the team that beat that team. They, we are not going to do that.

Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you serious right now? Bro, the 2016 Cavs beat the team we're talking about. And this is a better version of that Cavs team. And guess what? As good as you think that that 2017 Cavs team is, the 2016 version of that,

again, it's not even like the 2016 team got like destroyed. They lost by four points in game seven. Like, I'm not, I just say they should be the same tier. And I'm saying they should not be on the same tier. That is, that is, they are like a minute and a half away from being undoubtedly one of the greatest teams in sports history. And you're telling me that this 2017 Cavs team is on that level. Do you not think the 2016 Cavs team is a comparable team to the 2016 Warriors?

The 2016? No. Nobody is. You think the 2016 Cavs were not on the same tier as the Warriors, the team that they beat? Yes. Yes. I'm agreeing with that. I think that that's one of the greatest choke jobs we've ever seen in sports.

That team, there's no, if you run that series, right? Like that's literally like some Marvel endgame stuff. You run that series? That's the only series that the Cavs win, when they come back down 3-1. That's 73 and I go lie. It's every time. I ain't a lie. I'm so stumped.

I don't know which one it is. I might need some producer help with this one. Nikiel, move me. No, this is tough. No, we put it in A or S, Moe. A.R.S. Can I buzz in for help, Nekeel? No, big one.

You're the time ready. All right. Shit, to be honest with you, bro. I kind of want to put them at A because they were just, the 2016 cat, our warriors were unfuck-wittedable. Sorry, we have no team besides the Warriors and S-tier? Yes, that's high. Yeah.

Okay, if we do a tier list of winners And we say that 96 Bulls are the best team We're not going to leave the Lakers out Because they're not better than the Bulls Like they're still S tier They need to be top of the tier They're too good for A tier No, they're just

Oh man All right, whatever That's just smoking the Sonics 2070 Cavs smoke the Sonics Okay, well then the Sonics Can be at the bottom of the tier And the cabs can be at the top Let's go with that

Oh my God, bro This is so tough This is a good assarg of it. I love this shit. You're going to have me doing some nasty Google searching and shit later today. All right. The 2021 sons. Oh, this is like C or D.

C, I want to say confidently. That was D? Did you say D? C. I would say D. Bro, this is a good ass team. I mean, that felt like a Mickey Mouse run, if anything. Mickey Mouse one is so disrespectful.

Why? Because the Clippers. Good ass team. The Clippers had absolutely nobody in the, in the conference finals. I forget who they played in the in the semies, but I just, nah, I'm not with it. It's not their fault. They have to play who's in front of them. I'm not, I'm not moved.

I'm going deep. I don't. I'll go see. I think, I think that's, I think if the 21 sons played the 22 Celtics, the 22 Celtics beat them in five. Oh, I don't think so at all. I think the sons you have, the end of Chris Paul's great years. Devin Booker had to send it to being a superstar.

DeAndre Aidan had his best playoff run by far. They beat the Lakers and DeAndre Aiton was looking better than A.D. Granted he wasn't, but he had played phenomenal against him. McCau Bruges was the best role player in the NBA. This was legit, great team. Aiton would have been manhandled by, by 22 Robert Williams. Like, he's getting destroyed. You don't believe that.

You can't say that tense. Let's be real. Robert Williams is not this one-on-one mauler. Ten toes, I'm going to put my hand up twice. You see the tent? Down. It's ten toes down. I believe that.

those sons those sons who are they who they who they play they play the nuggets in this in the second round without murray and then and swept them and then who they play in the first round the lakers the lakers were injured oh that's them that is the most Mickey mouse run I've seen to a finals in a while I'm not no no they're not they're not they're not they're not they can be the bottom they still see to you there they're whatever yeah put them see whatever they're good teams though they're not better then they're not as good they're not as good they're not as good

this man will go to war for that he's so passionate the 2004 Lakers this is A or B which one we want to do I feel like it's it's shocking it's shocking Kobe

it's shocking Kobe so you got to put A it was just a weird team though with like I was trying to do too much yeah was nasty man on this team too yeah he was And he was injured, I think

That's why they lost It's like they didn't have him healthy Gary Payton was on this team too, right? Yeah, man, this team was The corpse of Gary Payton was on this team, yeah Yeah, no, this team is All over the place And then Gary went and won another ring

Like three or two years later Yeah So we're going to A? Yeah, I'm good with A Yeah, sure A It's Shack and Kobe Indeniable, just all this shit around me Should it be S, low key

Or I forgot we're just putting In the Warriors' Ness You're caught on okay what do we got how many teams that one two three four five six seven eight I got two left which ones I'm going out of order so I'm lost okay

the 2001 76ers 2000 I'll give them D actually no you gotta you gotta give them F tier what they're just as bad if not worse than the 07 cabs because no those seven calves are horrible damn At least he had Matumbo

At least he had Matumbo Eric Snow moves you Are you serious? Okay Okay Okay Okay Eric Snow

All right I'm done with this Good call Let's put a mess Okay Here we have to The comments are gonna hate you The defense did move me for a second

But when you call it's all like that I had to backtrack Eric Snow Yeah, it's so funny because people are going to hate that Because like, oh, they had Prime Ivers and he made the finals run They took a game off to the Lakers It doesn't matter They were never going to win

They could play 100 games They might win five I got to look at that roster I got to look at that roster I think it's painful Eric Snow is hilarious, bro Is it Eric Snow moves you Yeah, no, bro

I can't be I can't be behind those claims Oh my goodness You got Raja Bell Rodney Buford Speedy Claxton Matt Geiger Tyrone Hill Alan Iverson

Jermaine Jones George Lynch Todd McCullough Aaron McKee Can we scroll down a little bit So I can see the rest of the list Rush How do you say his name

Roshon McLeod Oh these is who the fuck is that Kimbe Matumbo Kevin Ali who we only know because he's a coach Pepe Sanchez Pepe Sanchez Pepe say my boy Pepey man And Eric Snow No this team is trash

Put him in it out They suck Pepe Sanchez Yo Pepe Sanchez What a no Dude you don't have to say his name He didn't get no even PT for a bro, damn.

Who is Pepe Sanchez? Sounds fake as hell. Come on. Oh, my God, I'm crying. The 2Ks generated player. Yeah, bro. They might have the 2K players over Pepe Sanchez. That's why you don't know him.

He's not in the game. Oh, my God. Wow. Yeah, that team's the second leading score was Theo Ratl. Whatever his name was. Theo. Oh, my God. Theo.

Pepe Sanchez played 38 games in his career. Average point. He averaged 0.5. Yo. He averaged 0.5 points per game. Yo. 0.5 points per game. Shot 27% from the baseball.

You didn't even have to mention his name. You're foul. Oh, God. Your foul, yo. 0.6 rebounds. You're foul. And the best thing he did was pass the ball at 1.3 assist the game.

Hey, hey, he made 100% of his free throw. Oh, my goodness. He scored. Time of, if he's at 0.5 points, he's at 76 points for his entire career. Damien Lillard gets that in a game. In a game. When he gets in their.

career oh my god pepe sanchez wow that man is two games of prime joel and bie wow he was making minimum wage dude i looked up his name on basketball reference and it didn't even show up what the hell can i please see his can i see his per 36 numbers what is right if per 36 go down if we treated pepe sanchez like a full-time professional basketball player and said listen you're you're starting tonight pepe what are you what are you getting can you scroll down a little bit more in that your Phillies right there he would have scored 4.8 points per game in 2001 he's awful this is so bad this is 3.6 rebounds this is terrible he even had five personal

fouls and 4.8 points yo what NBA players listen is his assist at 9. 10.8. Why did the average 10 assist a game? Is that like Kellian Hayes or what? Damn. Who the hell is this? If you give Pepe Sanchez 36 minutes a game,

he's Campazo. Yo. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Pepe Sanchez. Wow. People are going to look back in like 20 years And look at NBA roster today

And be like, who is the NASA Such an example? Oh my God He has a brother named Costas Who is this guy? And then the last one's name is just Alex Like Oh, foul

Oh my God Bro, no player is going to want to show up on our podcast on our podcast because of this segment, bro. Hey, man, if we got to lose the respect that Pepe Sanchez, he's never going to talk to us, I'll fucking take that. I will live. I will live.

Oh, my God. That's fucking hilarious. Nah, I can't. They have to be F tier. They have to be F tier. Well, I forgot this is a TikTok segment, dude. Dude, does it matter? This is so funny.

Pepe Sanchez. Let's move on to the next thing. S tier name. What is we're going to do? I have some NBA facemashes to show you guys. Oh, I cannot wait for this. And you guys have to guess the players that we're looking at. I cannot wait for this. So, let me say this hook. I don't even say it. Guess which two NBA players faces are matched together? I don't even say this. Which two NBA faces are

matched together. Which two NBA players are these put together? Here's number one. Okay. I have not gotten it yet. So let's see. I have no idea why like, okay, here we go. This is Ray Allen for sure. Oh, this is weird. And Dennis Rodman or something? Dennis Rodman. No, it's not Dennis Rodman. You think this is Ray Allen? This is Ray Allen for sure. The Baldy is telling me everything I need to know. Plus, I do, Jersey. You're right. In the goatee telling me everything I need to know. You're right. Is this Steph Curry? That is Steph. That's Ward. This is Steph Curry. That's Damn. The mouth guard gives it away.

It's the mouth guard. I'm like, yeah, I had to look. This is the shooters of shooters. God damn. I looked him in his eye. I looked him in his eye.

And I knew that was Wardow. Yeah, this looks like a real NBA player, but I was going to say, this is like Kenyon Martin fucking 2035. Damn. This is Kenyon Martin sped up, bro.

Oh my God, that's hilarious. All right. Nikil, you got him? Next one. this looks like a failed d1 prospect bro what the fuck god oh what i say anthony bennett okay so clearly it's lebron yeah yes clearly lebron is one of them he looked like he he got muscles for no reason this is eric bledsoe this has to be eric bletzo bro this is eric bletzo yeah muscles for no reason bro eric

has this, I don't know what LeBron and baby LeBron. Yeah, bro. This is double abroad. Yeah. He's baby LeBron for no reason. He just looks like a deer or standing some headlights, bro. Yeah.

All right, next one. This player just is stupid. I see this. Okay, so we're mixing the small, the short kings together. This is Alan Iverson and Isaiah Thomas. Yep. Isaiah Thomas? Yep.

Yeah Where? This is what looks hilarious He looks like It looks like his name is CJ something man What? You sure is not a real player Yeah, bro, what

This is like Mike Yeah, it's like Mike for sure Facts, this is some movie He was in some movie, bro, damn This is Alan Iverson Yeah, he looks like he'd be like Troy Bolton the teammate in high school musical Facts, exactly

It looks like he was giving buckets too AI and IT is a good mix He looks like the player in a basketball movie That like talks back to the coach and gets kicked off the team Like a Mexican guy from Coach Carter I was just about to say that Yeah That's hilarious

Alright next one This don't even look good This is Eamon Lillard Girls, bro This is Eamon Lillard We need to put like the TikTok Like inverted filter on it and then he might look like a real person.

Can we flip the image? Because his face is slanted this way. It looks weird. It looks weird. But yeah, this is Amon Shumper than Damian Lillard. The box cut with Damieler's head is so nasty. Bro, why they gave him two different upper lips? Like, why is he lazy Photoshop on one side?

And they just got the Vaseline on the other. Yeah. And I can't tell if this is just Dame Miller's face, but the eye is lopsided like shit on the right. God. This might be just the name's face, though, to be honest. He's melting. I found him online.

Oh, bro. All right, next one. Ew. Come on. Ew. People aren't even trying. This looks like an insane player, bro. This ain't a lie.

If these two were for real mixed, greatest player of all time. Zero chance, bro. You know, like, he work at Sam's Club, for real. though pushing cards or something Mo you know who this is right yeah this is KD and Russ

there you go we got it KD and Russ for sure this is a real person I swear I swear this is a real person I need something tough

next one oh I know this is just another version of Donovan it's just another version of Donovan God Okay, yeah Stop this

Stop this madness Cut off the beard Donovan And just stick to the goatee Stop this madness Oh man This is leber pepper Lemon pepper will And who else

Do you tell me I have no idea It kind of looks like If you don't know Then I'm just saying you No Lou Will and who else Yeah

Is it Rondo? No. Who can this be? I see Lou will clear as they, but the eyes and a fat-ass nose is throwing me off. I have no idea who this is. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I am stumped.

Listen, I got what I asked for, and now I can't handle it. Keep thinking of it. Because I forgot. I'm looking at it right now. I'm dead. Yeah, like, I see that it's clear as the facial structure of Lou Williams. but aside from that I don't know

this is interior his guys give up his forehead looks a little different I give up I give up yeah I give up this is Lou Williams

and Eric Gordon ah I was I was on I was about to I was about to this looks like some fat lights can do

damn I never would have got this one right yeah I would have never I know I was gonna say Ray McCullen

bro from Sacramento Kings a couple of years a long-ass time ago so rain yeah deep Alright next one Ew This is

This is a crime This is terrible This is a crime No this is a horrors Beyond your comprehension Yeah this is a crime You know what this looks like No genuinely

We've said this a couple of times But this is the perfect description of Pinky from Pinky in the brain Perfect Head looks so slapable It looks like a perfect light bulb Dude This is a failed experiment for sure

Well listen Listen, the entire internet knows that that's Richard Jefferson's forehead. So it's Richard Jefferson. And then you got to go with Channing Frye on the bottom. Channing Frye has always had a little bit of a long neck for sure. Nice to eat too. This is Channing Frye for sure. This is Channing Fry and Richard Jefferson, correct?

Yeah. All right. One more. Next one. Now, this is this. This is wild too. This is wild too. Why Jeremy Lynn's eyes like this, man?

why we He looks like he's high as shit That's what he looks like bro But his But his like actual eyes aren't red It's just the stuff around his eyes His eyes are deep too bro He just has a big and small

Like his face is big and small At the same time It's just disastrous Big and small At the same time It's disastrous This is Yuta Wadanabi And Jeremy Lynn right

No it's not you don't want to Nabi Oh shit Mo, I'm going to say this right now before your next guess. Just don't, just, don't just, don't just name Asian people. Don't even say I got, I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

Okay. Jeremy Lidd and who? Who's going to be like, who's going to be like, Jeremy Lynn and Yao? What's funny is, this is Jeremy Lid and Yow? No, this is so racist. This is so racist. This is crazy. I don't know my cheetah

And I've been laughing so much No I'm dead I wouldn't yell I would have never guessed it Oh my goodness That's hilarious That it's hilarious

It was exactly what you thought it was I was trying to be an ally Oh my gosh I'm dead Oh my god That's funny All right Next thing we got

We're gonna do We're gonna guess the NBA player Based on their all-time teammates Ooh, yes, sir. Wow. You got these fours, Mo? Yeah, I got these four. So this is a TikTok that we ran a couple months ago.

And we're going to, you got to just, you got to, you got to, you got to describe what type of cheeks hurt, man. But anyways, we're going to go ahead and run this TikTok back based off of, I'm trying to send the names through. So it's easier for you guys to see. But my, this shit is not cooperating or whatever. I'm just going to repeat the names you guys need help. All right. guest NBA player based off of their all-time teammates okay let's go let's go

so at the point guard you got a drew holiday at the two Joe Johnson three Paul George four Janus five cat hmm cat Paul George Janus Joe Johnson damn you a Jeff Tee

you a Jeff Tee fan huh he's been watching a podcast he's been watching the podcast Jeff Sieg Come join a D3 Let's have you on this podcast We are fans over here All right

No I only remember this Because I just saw the clip Of him talking about Jimmy Butler on that Timberwolves team On how he was busting Their ass in practice Only reason to get in mind

This man is the most honest player Alive bro We love it All right hilarious Next we got D Rose D Wade

Luwow dang Bam and Joel and Bede Oh it has to be Jimmy Butler It has to be Jimmy Butler Easy, thank God That's an easy one All right, cool, it's easy

All right, next We got CP3 James Harden R.J. Barrett A.D. and Yokic Or

CP3 James Hardin R.J. Barrett A.D. And Yokich It is this Rajan Rondo? Um

No, Ronald never play with Yokic Yeah, you never play with Yolkins And he never played with Is this? No, no, no, no, no, no, I got it, I got it, I got it. This is DeAndre Jordan. I mean, technically speaking, it actually could be,

but it wasn't the side that I was leaning towards But he was on, you know, I'm saying He's played with all of them as Austin. You're right, this could be DeAndre. Is this Alfred Payton? No, it's not Alfred Payton. That's a great guess It's not the Andrejordan

I want he's you are right I can't say you're wrong I was leaning towards I'm sitting out I got my I got my win And there's another one who would you think It's on you I think I don't know who else is a question

A couple other players But more specifically speaking Austin Rivers Oh okay Yeah Dungeons is a great guest though That's fantastic When did Austin

How did you play with AD? Way back when he was a rookie, like before they, before they name changed. Okay. Yeah, it was a minute ago, a minute ago. All right. Next up, we got John Wall, Russell Westbrook, Jimmy Butler, Sabonis, and Bam. Ooh, John Wall, Westbrook, Butler, Sabonis, and Bam. Okay.

who's played with the least amount of people here probably sub bonus or bam uh it's probably bam bam's been with the heat his entire career so we can kind of rule it down there well over there it was probably a guy who played on the heat okay

maybe he was in the heat and the rockets because john wall and westbrook were both there okay or the heat and the wizard's one of those dissecting these transactions i like that pathway but also some bonus in westbrook so maybe he on the Thunder. Is this

is this Victor Oladipo? This is Victor Oladipo! Damn! Oh! Damn! When did he play with John Wall? When John Wall got traded to the Houston Rockets.

Yeah, they didn't actually really play, but like they were Rockets fans were saying John Wall, Ola Divo, and Christian Wood was going to be a big three. I remember that vividly. Trenches. Hell.

Yeah, hell. Shout out to them fans, bro. All right. Next up, we got Russell Westbrook, Lou Will, Kawhi Leonard, David West, and Stephen Adams. Paul George. Paul George. This is fast. Yep, fast. You need another finish. Yeah. I'll be watching that podcast, too. What gave it away? Paul George, come on our podcast. We are fans. Once I heard David West, it was nail in the coffin. I was like, I was obviously, Paul George. Flipper, Clipper, Clipper, Dave West. Paul George. facts. All right. We got one more. We got Damien Liller, Wesley Matthews, Ingram, Zion, and Lamarcus Aldridge. C.J. McCullough? Yeah, C.J. McCollum. He played with nobody's

entire career. No, no movement. Yeah. You just listed two teams lineups combined. Yeah, exactly. He had no real motion in his square round. That was the easy one of my car. Yeah. Team was, team was no mobility. He's a two-starry one-ups his whole career. Yeah, bro. He ain't had no experiences. That's nice. I think we've got one more video in us.

We're going to look back at some trades and say, who won these trades? Donovan, I believe you have these written down for us. Yeah, I got him. This is that hook. What is the hook? Which team won this NBA trade? Gotcha. Which NBA team won this trade?

Or looking back, which NBA team won this trade? All right. Look, dang it. You always, I know how. You look at the camera. Stop looking at the fucking camera.

No, I'm not even looking at the camera. I'm looking at y'all. Listen, I'll be stuttering sometimes. You know what I'm saying? All right. Looking back, who won this NBA trade? Okay. Okay.

So, you know, I had to put the Knicks in there. The New York Knicks who received Carmelo Anthony and Chaunty Billups or the Denver Nuggets who got Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Galanari, Mazgoth, and the Knicks' second round pick, and the Knicks' first round pick and a pick swap with the Timberwolves. Did any of those picks

ever become Nicola Yolkich? I'm assuming not, because I've never heard of that, so I'm going to say the Knicks. I guess the Knicks, the Knicks gutted their roster and really didn't get much on the Mello era, but a lot was made of the Knicks given up too much, but the Nuggets really got a crock of shit. Like, nothing happened with any of those pieces.

They weren't very valuable, I guess the Knicks because they got some good memories with Carmelo Anthony Facts exactly The Nuggets were a hot pile of mid bro and they were one of the first teams New Era to submit

into whatever a superstar wanted So for sure Knicks Yeah the Nuggets were in hell For like six years after this I don't think this trade did much more Yeah exactly bro They were stuck All right

The The Orlando Magic who traded Yeah okay The Orlando Magic who traded Nikola Wusevich Al-Farukamino to the Chicago Bulls for

Auto Porter Jr., Wendell Carter Jr. And two first-round picks. The Orlando Magic robbed. The Orlando Magic robbed the Bulls. This was a highway robbery, gun to the chest. Give me all your fucking money, and they gave it to him.

Facts, exactly. Yeah. Orlando Magic hit this 10 out of 10, bro. Like, there's no, there's, if you're a Bulls fan, you're just straight up depressed. point I'm not going to have nothing I'd rather have window Carter than

Vucevich today and two first round picks it was honestly a baffling deal why did the Bulls do this and what of them picks could have been Franz Wagner too bro god this is sick oh my God window Carter lost out on you for Vucevich yeah lost out on two potential

all stars in the future crazy if I was a Bulls fan my spirit to live would be very low at this moment it would negatively affect my life outside of fandom hey they gave it all up just to be the first seed for a couple of weeks in the NBA or a couple of days in the NBA, it must have been worth it.

Remember 31st champions! All right, next one, next one. So the Thunder sent Paul George to the Clippers and in return, the Clippers sent Danilo Gallinari, Shegildedish Alexander, a 2021 first-round pick, a 23 first-round pick from the heat. Then they sent

what is this, three more first-round picks and two pick swaps. Sam Cresty needs to be put in a museum For being the world's greatest swindler It does not make sense how good he is at ripping off teams Five first round picks Two pick swaps And they got shade gilded just Alexander

Yeah they robbed them Just for the clippers to be the biggest failure of the 2020s Unbelievable They got almost a quarter of all the league's picks On top of it had a future star This trade only makes sense If you put it through My League and King of the Fourth

quarter was behind this shit bro no way this is real in the moment understood it because like they were basically trading for paul george and kawai because that's the only what kawai was going to come but honestly looking back shay is just as good as paul george now basically there's no way you can say anything but the thunder wand this massively it's a fleece it's a fleas all right next one next one listen benefit in hindsight though listen this one was controversial when it happened the pacer's traded tyrese halliburton i mean the paces traded the Monaster bonus and a second round pick for Tyrese Halliburton and Buddy Heel. This trade is a win-win, but I think Tyrese is genuinely the better player.

Both made the play. Well, one of the Kings made the playoffs finally, but I'm going to lean towards Indiana Pacers. They're going to see a greater outcome in the future because of this because they have the better player. Simple. Yeah, me too. Good for the Kings. The guy who wanted, they wanted to be competitive, make the play in race. They did that and more.

they were a good team last year. So in terms of what they were looking for in short-term success, they won. But the Pacers have so much better for an outlook for the next decade building around Tyrese than the Kings do building around Sabonis. I'm going to Pacers.

But the Kings finally ended up building something that was non-existent and that was aura and vibes. They have culture. They didn't have that with Tyrese. I guess it unlocked Fox 2, which is a win. So the Kings didn't get fleece or nothing, but I'd rather have Halliburns, though.

it's close gotcha all right all right next one Sam Presti again the Oklahoma City wow I said that very weird the Houston Rockets traded Chris Paul

three first round picks and two pick swaps for Russell Westbrook who won this is so weird the Thunder got the better player and a bunch of picks that's absurd I can't believe

that the Rockets let James Harden convince them to go out there and give up everything for Westbrook just for it to fucking burnout a year later it's crazy Sam Presti again you should be studied in history books

for many many many years to come he's a scammer bro that's only going to make sense bro we need the FBI at his house he's doing something that can't be kosher I don't know what he's doing to make this happen but you tell me it doesn't make sense you're telling me you're rebuilding while also

semi-contending and stealing good culture and good and just good habits for a young team this is crazy He just knows how to identify suckers. Over and over again, he gets the best player in the draft. Over and over again, he has the best player in the trade and a bunch of picks. Like, he knows where the morons are and he finds them every time.

He smells blood in the water. If Sam Presti is calling your phone, re-evaluate yourself, and block him immediately. Yeah, if San Presby calls you, you got to go do some, like, math problem or something. Go find a workbook to hone you like you. You need to go do some soul searching, my boy, because it's serious. You're an easy look. Go do a puzzle.

You enroll in summer school At a local middle school All right last Last one The New Orleans pet The dang it Wow I keep saying them backwards

Because like Who's sending where But the Los Angeles Lakers Sent Lanzo Ball Brandon Ingram Josh Hart And several first round picks For Anthony Davis

Who won? Oh man this is tough But the Lakers won a championship Thank you But this is not tough It's not tough at all. The Lakers ran away with this. They got the better player.

They got a championship out of it. And that's all that matter. We are playing for championships, and that's what matters. But they did get a big ass haul, though. Yeah, the draft picks have done very little for them. And they let Lanzo ball walk the next summer inexplicably. So I don't,

like they lost the one of the most appealing parts of the trade because they didn't want to pay them. It's on their own accord. Like, it's easily the Lakers. Just talking about the trade within itself. Fuck whatever happened when Alonzo ball I think that they did As good as they could possibly do

And I'm just talking about I'm looking at the trade from face value They did good I think the Lakers did better because they fucking won at the end of the day But looking at what they got back It's fourth overall pick they got that from I think they traded in it were trading back with the Atlanta Hawks and they chose Jackson Hayes Which is dumb as hell to do but regardless of the fact

They still got that pick so good haul They could have Darius Garland and they traded back to take I know but that didn't that didn't make any sense though because that wasn't even a topic of discussion because they had Drew Holiday and fucking Zoe so it didn't like it's not even a thought process and Darius was a quite big question mark in college too so it was like he wasn't at that range. No he was the fourth pick

he was not a big question mark they were just dumb as hell no he was a question mark because he can fucking play in college he went four it doesn't matter smart teams realized you should have picked them they were just stupid yeah they had it all I fucking loved

I fucking love that Drew Holiday J.J. Redick and Lonzo Ball era bro she was immaculate perfect team around Zion. Yeah. So Lakers won because they won the championship. The Pelicans had a good opportunity with that haul but did nothing with it so they lost easily. That's all I have though. That's all I have.

And that's what we have. This episode is over. If you're still here comments. Wait, no, no, no, I got it. No, I got it. If you are still here, comment, who is Pepe Sanchez? Oh, wonderful. That's better than what I would have said. Shout out Pepe Sanchez. This episode over 300k we out