The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Point Guard In The NBA | Ep. 149

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Today we rank the top 30 point guards in the NBA to kick off our summer of position rankings! #nba Check out our new NFL show, House Call: https://youtu.be/UdfxeMX0rMs?si=QnCnTPHUdEsiS5g7 Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 2:53- 30-26 24:03- 25-21 33:15- 20-16 49:12- 15-11 1:06:04- 10-6 1:26:10- top 5 1:42:31- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

there comes a time in the calendar every year basketball is over football is over baseball's on it for any of that kind of thing i guess but all the important sports that you crown eaters know in love they're not on right now you got very little to look forward to sun's out it's hot outside not much to look forward to outside if you live in some of these states that are blistering hot but there is one thing you can look forward to every single year in july all the way through august td3 ranking season will be here we will be sat down in these chairs to rank some shit and I can tell you today it begins now yeah we're back we're back we're back we're all bread and butter is here the infamous time t j mcconnell fan club congratulations i am the newest member and that will be reflected today because we will be doing t j mcconnell discourse we'll be doing anthony simon's discourse drew holiday discourse carrie irving discourse because as you got to see by the title today we are ranking the top 30 point guards in the NBA right now now. So I will say.

Go ahead. For the people who haven't been around, we've been doing this for how long, two years now? This is third year. Third year of rankings. I think I've came up historically, consistently with the worst TD3 list in history.

You don't say. But this year, I'm fucking coming in different. Why? Because I got PEDs by my side. You never seen an iPad mode with a ranking season with like this, bro.

That is true. True. So trust. This is a new version of you. We'll see if it pays dividends. If you're going to rank Jalen green number 8. again or Jaris Walker number what was it like 11 14 yeah those are those are bleak days but like you guys like we said top 30 point guards in the NBA ranking today not really

projection you know the season just ended so it's kind of like for this past season there will be some consideration for what they're going to do next year the new roles we have to think about things contextually but mostly who they are today with very little projection yeah I could not say that word but before we get to that we have a similar episode for you guys to watch if you're into this whole comparison of players. Episode two of House Call is out now. We announced to you guys last week. Our official TD3 NFL show is out.

It's called House Call. Hopefully you guys saw episode one. It was a good one. A lot of you guys showed a lot of love to. I appreciate you coming through as we begin this journey as football content creators. But episode two is out now. We put every starting QB into a tier list

projecting of what we think they're going to be next season. That was an interesting one. Surely that will piss off many of you as I continue to glaze Justin Herbert. Hype up Gino Smith. A lot of you guys are going to yell me about it is what it is. Go check it out. Go yell to us in the comments.

Omaha! Go! Oh, shit. And with that being said, cue the intro music. Let's rank these point cards. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say.

Pray on Eaters, rejoice! You guys are familiar with how this process works. We all ranked our top 30 points. guards independently. We don't know each other's list. All we did was come to an agreement of certain players and we're going to classify them position-wise so we don't have like completely different player pools. But outside of that, we don't know what we're doing. We don't know what each other are doing. We're going to reveal these players in blocks of five. We're going to start with 26 through 30. Work a way up until we get to the top five. This always inevitably leads to us

arguing forever about the worst players on this list because we are front-loaded individuals. But let's get straight into it. The first tier we have, my 26 through 30, We'll start from 30 and read her way up. And number 30, I have Chris Paul. Number 29, I have T.J. McConnell. Entirely too low. I think so. 28, Anthony Simons.

27, DeAngelo Russell. And 26, Emmanuel, quickly. Okay. I will say, we talked about this a little bit beforehand, us three. This is the most bleak the bottom of the point guard. Liss has been in three years of doing this. Yeah. I hated ranking the bottom like 12 players.

I think there's 18 point guards right now that I wanted my team in the league. Yeah, you go, like, you go through the exercise and you start looking at the teams and I don't even to see the rosters just get like the logos you know okay who's their point guard who's their point guard and then you get to a couple teams it's like you don't have a point yeah you don't have a point yeah you don't have anybody that actually plays the position you just start in somebody you just starting five guys so no it was definitely rough i will say that okay so chris paul salute yeah apparently this might be his last year again salute no words for that but it's super We're interesting saying Anthony Simons at 28 once before.

I mean, I'm sure a lot of people see this. Look at Anthony Simon stats. They see 18 points per game or 17 points per game. A physical shooting. What the hell, man, you spoke a crack. But I think that's an okay placement considering like all the other gaps that he has in his game. Well, you just said a lot of things.

I think one of them was not true. You said efficient shooting. Did not have a particularly efficient year. And yeah, we gave him a lot of a lot of leeway over the years because he obviously he started off his crew playing behind Damien Lillard. And it was like, he's waiting for his turn to break. break out and be this just quintessential

off the dribble shooting attacking point guard that we see in the modern NBA these days every team wants one somebody can be a threat running a pick and roll pulling up forcing drop coverage

to play up high opening up passing lanes for bigs it's part of the modern NBA that you kind of need in the high level offense he just kind of has many progress last couple years and I'm kind of over it

I have DeAngel Russell 27 I spent a lot of time arguing DeAngel Russell versus Anthony Simons in my head and I was like it sounds crazy because for so many years we put so much faith

in Anthony Simon's development and like gave him a lot of grace that he would continue to rise. So I think last year I'm sure we ranked him above Delo. I just have more faith that Deelow can scale down and play next to good players and like have the playmaking still be somewhat of his in his arsenal, have the spot of shooting be somewhat in his arsenal. Anthony Simons, I don't know how much he can play next to good players. I have no idea either.

And now like this season, it's probably going to be basically the same thing because like Jalen Brown is going to be there. Cool. Derek Wyatt's going to be there. Awesome. Al Horford, it looks like he's out the building. KP's out of the building, Drew Holiday is gone.

Jason Tatum's not going to play. So the actual situation that you would, that you would want Simons to be in, to be very scalable and see if he could fit into this championship mode, there's not going to be there. Like, they're going to try and win as many games as possible. Obviously, they're going to try and get to, what, what's the line for the stuff?

Like, what do we think it's going to be, like, 40 wins maybe? No, I see they're aiming for higher. I think they're aiming for like 40s, like the goal for a good season. I don't think, I don't necessarily think it's going to happen, but I think they're self. to kind of telling themselves we can still be like the four seed yeah i don't and i think that they're being delusional like i think they're probably going to get to around 40 wins maybe but it's going to be a slightly better version of portland like portland won high 30s last year and that's kind

of just going to be what it is yeah i think they're going to trade simons at some point i don't really believe they're trying to rehabilitate him he doesn't fit the mold at all i do think if they do choose to keep him he does have the shooting ability maybe they can get the best of him but he's one of the lowest activity defenders in the NBA. Still percentage, 17th percentile, block percentage, six percentile, but 90th percentile in fouling. He just does not do a lot defensively, not good rotationally. You're not wanting him to fight over screens.

He doesn't get to the free throw line whatsoever. He really is, I'm going to shoot it throughout the dribble, or I'm going to slash a little bit. And he does have decent numbers attacking the rim, but it's very much what he was a few years ago, and I don't really feel good about the important skill sets to round out your ability to play high level of basketball. I don't feel good about his development there, really. Yeah, I mean, if there's one thing that he can do, it is shoot at a decent level.

Overall, his efficiency numbers ain't great, but when you look at his three-point shooting numbers, they stand out, especially, like, when it comes to, for whatever reason. He can shoot for sure. His contested three-point shooting efficiency, too. It's top-tier, top-notch, and generally one of the best in the league. But, I mean, there's so many players who aren't in the league right now who can literally burn anybody with anybody in front of their face. But can't do anything else on the court. So that's okay and fair ranking, in my opinion. No, he is a legitimately great shooter.

Like, he is a high volume shooter. It's 50% of his shots this year, we're threes. That's a gigantic number. And he also had his best mid-range shooting season. So there is a skill set there. It's just, you know, we've seen it across the league this year, the devaluing of these combo guards that are score first and don't do much else. I quickly is above him, who's someone who I feel also disappointed with the development.

But it's mostly because he got hurt last year. Yeah. I'm confident quickly he's in a better average passer. at least. I think he'll get back to if he's healthy and plays a full season, he can give you good playmaking. Not amazing, but solid playmaking to go with a similar skill set.

I don't really fill away about Simons. And maybe quickly it's not a great defender, but it's pretty hard to be worse defender than Anthony Simons right now. Yeah. And the devaluer that you talked about, that's very, very real. Like, Utah to attach assets to get rid of Colin Sexton and bringing NIRKins. Like, that's also very crazy for a guy that scored 18 a game.

It's the same thing for Simons, 18, 19 points a game. We put sex on shooting guards, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, he's not going to be on this list. But it is, it is very interesting to see that, like, nobody really wants him. And, like, the magic, everybody's, we've talked about, you know, for the last two years.

Like, every time it should be a magic, even with all of the defensive stuff just because he can't shoot, he can't score. And so I do wonder if maybe in, like, a year or two, you see a lot of team. especially out east where there's a lot more room for improvement. If your team does lean defense, do you have the infrastructure, or do you trust your infrastructure to bring in a guy like Simon who can get you 18, 19 points a game? And I think the league is saying no.

I think they're going the other way. We want no weak links and we want nobody to be attacked unless you're going to have like star level production. And to get there, Simon has to get to the line a lot more. He has to be a lot more effective of a slasher. And I think at this point, if he's not making any progress there, he is still bottom 20th percentile him getting to the line.

I think 19% of his shots came at the rim this year, 36%ile. That is who he is. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. But I'm not going to lie. After the final performance that we saw from T.

Jim McConnell, he really only ranks at 29 for you. I mean, shout out T.J. Incredible playoff run. He just is what he is, right? He's a very limited player. There's a reason he plays 17 minutes a game. He awesome one-on-one score that can do this dog shit. But, like, you can't deploy him starter minutes for a reason.

He has too many limitations. So fantastic of what he does is just so limited that, I mean, if you put him higher, I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah. But, like, I'd rather have some players above him. Like, I guess I'd rather take the bet on quickly just because, and he's also getting older, T.J. McConnell, so I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. We're just talking about this past year, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. When it comes to talking about his limitations, those are legit real things. But when he's on and when he's on, he's on, he's on, and when it comes to thinking about him and what types of times he can deploy around him, basically any lineup you can imagine. Obviously, like, he's not the strongest three-point shooter.

He prefers not to do that. Not the strongest is his kind. Yeah. This doesn't shoot threes. They were daring him. Yeah. In high level playoff games, they were like, go ahead. You can beat him.

Rick Cullin knows that they get the most head of him. I'm talking about when I want to build a team around. I don't particularly want a guard that doesn't shoot threes is getting older and isn't quite the defender he once was. Obviously, you can get the crazy steals and, like, crazy effort if you fall asleep and get those inbound passes. But not like he's a high activity, great defender anymore. No spacing. His, him in pick and roll, like, when you're Rick Cala and you know how to use him. him and get the ISO scoring going great but i don't think it's like something you can really

game plan around yeah i'm not dying on this hill you can have i'm not i'm not going to argue down if you put him higher not just yet i would definitely put him at least above simons at this rate i can understand the deion jerusalem aspect of it because the ceiling is obviously a little bit higher and emmanuel quickly is his own like enigma himself so i'm okay with putting him at 29 i will say delo had an absolutely atrocious year shooting wise like uncharacterously terrible from pretty much ever on the court. I'm choosing believe it's an aberration

because the situation was so bad and he'll be better with the Mavs. So I'm giving him credit because I do think he's walking into a good situation next year

that he will look like dealer that looked like every year besides his past one. Yeah. But I can understand not ranking him at all based on this season.

Yeah, that's fair. And also Chris Paul's on here. I was deciding from him and Trey Jones. Just salute Chris Paul. Trey Jones was ridiculously efficient this year.

So I was like, I kind of want to put him on there but also like it's a fake ass efficiency because nobody guards him. Yeah. So I get Chris Paul and not, still a good passer, but just know

it's a legacy pick. Okay. Next up, Mo, who do you have in this range? At 30, I got Scoot Henderson, 29, Josh Giddy, 28, T.J. McConnell. 27. I got Anthony Simons and 26. You always do this. You said, I'd rather have T.J. McConnell than Simons. And you rank Simons above

McConnell as well. The only difference of this one spot higher. Listen, man. I'm in it for the entertainment. Thank you, Stuart Henderson. Shout out, Sue Henderson. I didn't rank him. Tell me what you saw last year. Yeah.

I mean, obviously, like, coming out of the NBA draft, specifically in 2023, the 1B draft, there was so much hype around him. And over the last two years of his career, everyone had to, everyone did, like, the most insane recalibrating of just what he is and what his ceiling is. Obviously, his athleticism and all that has been blown out of proportion, and it feels like Scoot Henderson wasn't even, he was deployed in a very interesting way alongside Anthony Simons and also Shannon Sharp, who they're trying to prioritize as well. And since they made certain moves and kind of gave him more of a responsibility offensively,

he responded somewhat well. Obviously, like, I will say before the All-Star break, his efficiency all-around was not the best. But most players can say that. Specifically, he had a, his floater was, I think it was, let me see it on this iPad real quick. 31% terrible, horrendous. Shut up the iPad. And he improved that floater to 37% from the, from the field, which is amazing. Not amazing.

No, it's not. That's terrible. When it comes to recalibrating, good for him. Playmaking has been solid. His three-point shot has been developed a little bit more as well. So I think 30 is a good spot to be like, okay, I will not like pain myself for this dude is on my team. Do you all hear these speakers outside? I don't know the mic got it, but there's crazy.

asshole outside with the speakers ridiculous. That's nuts. The bass is ridiculous. Okay, I'm not mad at that just for what we saw in the second half. I, maybe I should have did that over Chris Paul. I'm not mad at it if you want to say you think he doesn't take you to carry that. But I didn't think about it just because the overall efficiency numbers are still so fucking horrible. The fact that you said 37% on floater range, fantastic. Yeah. Still one of the worst in the league.

That's still fucking horrible. But no, I do, the shooting is real. I think he is a good three-point shooter. I think that has developed. And the passing, I think, is real. He has made strides there. I just want to see the like inside the arc scoring become a decent threat because that's like his whole upside you know yeah but i'm not mad at you giving him some credit yeah exactly i see a little bit of growth not the growth or not even really what i thought he was going to be coming into the league but at the end of the day when it comes to talking about top three i think he absolutely

deserves the last spot you hate josh giddy like i mean i think putting him at 29 is essentially saying everything you did last year was fake yeah and like we've been saying it but this 100% is like stamping it and like that was just fake basketball to the to the max i mean everyone was telling me as soon as the off season began the chicago bulls are going to give him a hundred million dollar contract you ain't hurt shit they're they're currently beefing right now they're not giving them they're not dumb enough the chicago bulls are not dumb enough to give josh giddy that the summer did just start like we can we can wait on it it might it might happen yeah these days restrict your free agency takes a long time so they're just negotiating they're going to land on like

28 million or something. Yeah, but like Giddy over, over McConnell, over Simons. Like, I think, like, I can, I can see Giddy being over those guys. Like, because he, listen, is he going to be the point guard of a championship team? No, but can he be a starting point guard in the league? Yeah. Once we get to 20 in this list, it really is about, like, two things. Your vibe.

Your vibe. Like, your specific vibe in terms of, like, what you want. And can you play next to other people? Yeah. I think from that perspective, I can see where it's like, okay, once you actually have good, like really, really good caliber players, Josh Getty, it's kind of hard to fit him in a specific role. But also, you do have to give people a little bit of credit.

Like 29 is a bit, though. I struggle for sure for what you said that I don't want him on my team. I'll say it pretty explicitly, especially for the price point. I do not want to play around Josh Getty's skill set, like, at all, really. But part of it is, like you said, going against my biases and why. what I wanted a team and like acknowledging talent and production. Last 20 games of season, 20.9 points, 9 assists, 10.3 rebounds. Before that, the first 50 games was 12 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds.

And that is something, but it's also also fucking fake because in that time he shot 47% from 3, which is clearly just like outlier hot March shooting. So I'm trying to balance that where clearly that was not real, but also some elements are real. Like he did get better as a passer probably because the scoring threat enabled. it and I don't know if that scoring through it hasn't remained but he got to the free throw attempt from 2.1 to 5.9 so he was more aggressive of a slasher that much was real so yeah I put him higher clearly he's not in this tier but I'm not mad at you for

just being like I don't fucking want Josh getting on my team like when I think about this tier I just look at these guys as like they're pretty much grouped up in the next tier as well you are very special at a few things on the basketball court for anferty simons it says shooting and his ability to contest the threes Cidgen mccan he can get to that fucking pain he has like one of the best finishing percentages for someone at that size also at that position as well um scoot henderson he has a tight handle and obviously he's a little bit of anomaly because he's an all around and still building and ty drone as well like one of the best one of the better back-up guard

shooters and playmakers too josh giddy he's one of the better playmakers in the league but because of his lack of scoring too and it's shooting like someone like ty jerome or even like a scoot henderson his game is just a little bit more limited yeah so that's why i have him at 29 he doesn't have like any redeeming qualities that's like oh like you're genuinely one of the best in the league at this for whatever reason i will say t t j mcconnor has exact same limitations so that's the one i'd probably rank giddy above mccano at least but you know that's a tiny difference so i get it

all right you never seen tith mcconnell jose giddy go ahead and press up like tizs mcconnell a different level of defense different level of defense tis mcconnell's aura is definitely carrying him all right donovan who's your tier all right at 30 i have I have Dejante Murray, 29, I have Emanuel quickly, 28, D'Angelo Russell, 27, Chris Paul, and then 26, T.J. McConnell. Damn. Quickly in Dejante Murray, you guys played 30-something games last year. I'm giving Dejante Murray all the pass in the world. I think, like, obviously, the 30 games were not great.

It's complete Pelican stacks. Like, that whole entire, like, team organization, I don't know what it is. I don't know what to make out of it. Even this offseason, it's very weird. They're one of the stupidest teams in terms of this specific. golf season. I'm still going to give him credit and still going to give him a little bit of faith that when he comes back, he can be the 30th best point guard. Like I think for him, it's specifically that. And then quickly, it's also injuries, but like, you just don't play. And I,

I still have not seen anything in your new role in Toronto that can make me either think that the contract that you got was actually worth it or to give me any type of, I guess, like, calm of like yeah Toronto did the right thing bringing you in and you are a building block for them I have no idea what they are right now so that's why like I know that they're good players and they can be starters in this league I'm just not sure so that that's why they are 29 and 30 for me

that's fair I give quickly I mean same tier a little bit higher just because he's been hurt a lot this was the one year where he missed like most of the season before that it wasn't that bad so it's not like it's three years in a row he's just not available so I didn't need him too much for that and the Raptors were really a shit show for like most of their teams.

So I also don't ding him too much for coming back from injury and for those limited games not being super effective. I'm willing to just wipe this year off of my mind for Manuel quickly and just treat him on what he was the year before after he got traded when he was averaging seven assists and I kind of had some faith that the contract make a little bit of sense. So I'm not feeling great about it, but I'm giving a pass for one year,

see what it looks like next year if the team makes a little more sense. Dejante is like impossible to rank because those first 30 games, you're getting a pass for playing on the Pelicans, which was a shit show. He was a disaster. He was the least efficient. volume shooter in the NBA. We did a, I think, like, 20 games a season.

We did a TikTok where you guys guessed the worst efficiencies in the league. He was number one. The worst shooting in the league. That is real. Then he got hurt and tore his fucking Achilles, which is like, I don't know the reason like that for that. So a combination of you're having the worst stretch your career and then you have the worst injury I can imagine, no clue how to rank him.

So I did a bailout or he's a higher on my list technically, but if I've got a bailout, so I don't blame you for just saying last spot. Yeah. it's yeah because would I want him like a healthy de jante over school Henderson right now yeah I think I think I would would I rather take him over Anthony Simons if they're both healthy yeah probably would so you can get the last spot it's okay and because again these last and I think most of these last 10 spots are really really weird because none of them are guys where if they are your like full-time

starter playing 30 35 minutes a night you feel like over the moon you're trying to Picking, you feel bad. You feel bad. Like, I take it. If you don't have a top 20 point guard right now, you feel bad. Fair. So, yeah. So quickly, Murray at 29 and 30.

Delo at 28. I think that's exactly where he's at. Like, can he be the point guard for the 28th best team in the league? Absolutely. That's what he was last year, right? He's on the nets. Now that he's in Dallas, can he be the backup to, let's say, like, the 12th to 15th best point guard in the league?

Hell yeah. I feel pretty good about his ability to fill in one before Carrey comes back for next year. I think, I think it's, it's perfectly fine. And then Chris Paul, shout out to you. You play 82 games and you bring, you bring knowledge and experience and, you know, a lot of, a lot of unc, a lot of, again. A lot of unc. It's great.

Everyone needs a really good vet. Shout out to you. And then T.J. McConnell, you are getting, everybody in the Pacers is getting a bunk this offseason because you just performed at some crazy level, not only in the playoffs, but to have the turnaround that you guys did and actually play like a top. top, what, five team, top 16 for, you know, the better half of the year, you guys are awesome. We are such yappers, man. This is 26 minutes in and we're talking about this one too. It is.

But, yeah, like, I think, TJ, for, if you're in this range, can you take over the game for two minutes? Yeah. And T.J. McConnell can 100% do that. Yeah. Before we started, I said, this is the least interesting bottom five we had, and we spent 25 minutes talking about it. You said this pop for it would be two hours.

We're impossible. I was blown away by how long a QB tier list was yesterday when I edited it for House Call. I was like, bro, we can talk. We get too comfortable, man. We just yap. Don't put us in a room together, man. We're going to take a quick break from the show to tell you guys about our presenting sponsor for this episode, us. House Call is a sponsor this episode, our new second podcast, our NFL show.

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once jill went out he did have a couple games in that sweep where it was nice so like there's that he's also he's also essentially like a starting point guard in some sense because job missing so many games and he does play a lot of a lot plays long side him too like a combo so like I do I did want to give him some some credit so and whenever whenever he's out there I just I just I just really like that yeah yeah that's the best where I do okay I do feel safe commands the game out there tie Jerome best you know best backup point guard

I guess like score yeah actually I know pitch right there paint right there but tie also has the ability to take over games and go crazy

and like the playoff stuff was ridiculously bad but throughout the entire season you he was on pace to get himself that bad because he was playing so well and he could have won some more awards but he's just not playing enough minutes

and it's kind of hard to do it whenever the back court that you have is so solidified in Darius Garland and D. Mitch so there's that. that drew holiday listen man salute salute like it's it's getting it's getting scary but i still wanted to give him respect i wanted to do the same thing with josh giddy and you know a little bit of improvement and then peeing pritchin one six man of the year like yeah he was whooping drew

holiday's tough uh so much is made of him being cooked and he is a little cooked i also feel like he'll probably look a little bit better next year on the trailblazers back to having usage he really does just like stand around the corner with the celtics so like i think his cookedness is exasperated by the fact that he really is a corner sitter for the Celtics, which is being simplistic. He obviously gets a touch as a bench unit, but you know what I mean? And the corner three just didn't fall this year, like the year before that. So I think it's pretty easy to look cooked when your main role is to be a spot-up shooter

and your spot-up shot is not falling. I imagine with the trailblazers, he's going to go back to being a little bit more on-ball and I think will be like, oh, look at your holidays. They've got a little bit of juice in the tank. So I'm kind of anticipating that. But going off the last year, I don't think this is crazy. Yeah, the three-point shot, like it was his worst three-point shooting season since his last year in Milwaukee.

And so it was very, very tough. But also with guards, I'm really a little bit nervous because you see a lot of times, once it goes for guards, it's done. Like you very rarely see a guard have a very down year and they look wash and they look cook and then all of a sudden, even if they go to a new situation, you add another year to their age and then boom, they're right back to it. So I am anticipating either a little bit more drop off or you just staying the same as what you were in last year.

So, yeah, 23 is fine. Okay. I can understand that. Mo, who you got? So at 25, got Emmanuel quickly. 24, paying Bridger. 23, Dejante Murray. Not paying attention to that.

22, Jordan Poole and 21, Kobe White. Gotcha. So Jordan Poole, we didn't be mentioned at the top. We talked about this right before the cameras turned on, actually, for some reason we brought Jordan Poole. Me and Donovan considered him a shooting guard. So he's not on our list. But he's, like, a combo, so I get why that happened. I only, I ended up shooting guard just because Bub Carrington was technically the point guard.

Yeah. And I guess same thing could be exactly said about something like Kobe White, too, but in my mind as well, like Kobe White's been traditionally high school, college, and mostly in the NBA listed as a point guard until Josh Getty came. So he's just like traditionally a one to me. Yeah, that's a common theme on our list. I understand we get positions wrong a lot by choice. I don't give a shit if a team decides to start two point guards.

Those guys are a point guards. We're not going to change it up. It makes no sense to compare some certain guys to guys in other position when they are so obviously something else. Same reason we kept cat at center when he was playing power forward. that guy is a center. So I did the same thing with Kobe White. Okay, cool. Interesting.

Okay, so DeJante Murray, Jordan Poole. Okay, this is a pretty understandable too. Yeah. Payton Pritchard, I wish I put him higher. I probably could have put him higher a little bit because earlier I think I used the word special teams. He is the definition of that. He was the first NBA player on NBA Twitter, I guess, last year,

or this past season, who was called a special teams player because of his special three-point shooting ability. And this year it unlocked. and he put up what like 16 points a game which is insane and shot high insanely efficient off of insane volume from three point line for the Celtics too so he deserves to be probably even a little bit higher for me I think I have let me see I think I'm Pritcher in the next tier

okay really let me see me pull mine up if I remember no he's in this year I wish I had him higher damn I think dude yeah I'll tell you my five 25 I've tied Jerome 24 Josh Giddy 23 Dejante Murray 22 Peyton Pritcher 21 Drew Holiday Dejante Murray what I did is is I finish the list at 22. I said this is the last player on this list. I want to be my starting point guard.

And then I put DeJant-Marry right after. I said, you can be by default the worst starting point guard on my list. I don't want Josh Getty starting for me. If DeJon-Ten-Marie does get back to what he was post-Aquillies, which is a big hope. I'm just choosing to be hopeful that he does that he can be the final starting point guard

on my tier list. Everybody else below that is a backup to me. And so that's why I slotted him in there. Zero critical thinking there. I just slotted him in because I do not know. I have zero clue. Zero clue what the Jean-Ten-Marie will be. So the same reason you threw him at the end of your list.

I threw him at the end of my list of starters. That's what I did. And that's completely fair. But this tier is kind of like solidify. Obviously there's a couple different names. But like, yeah, Ty Jerome, Josh Giddy, Peyton Pritchard. Like, it's pretty sense. I think Peyton Pritchard is waiting to be a high-level starter.

I think this year at the Celtics, we're going to see him win most improved player. Or at least be in the mix, whether or not he wins. Who knows? But this man shot 75% at the rim, 90th percentile. That's stupid. 57% short mid-range 100th percentile The best in the NBA for a point guard

63% effective field goal percentage The best in the NBA for a point guard 41% from 3 on a ridiculous volume He is a true three-level score That everyone always looks around And say who's the next Brunson Who's gonna make this leap from being a backup To being a starter to being a superstar

I don't know if he has that superstar Knotch to his belt That's just incredibly hard to predict Nobody's ever done that like Jalen Brunson That's like a once-in-a-generation development curve He can make that second leap though I think he can make the leap to being a high-level starter. He really has no playmaking in this game right now.

He's one of the lowest assist percentages at the position. But I think that's almost okay for him not to have that playmaking considering like how much off-ball shit that he does. Yeah, I was going to say, it's not even his fault. It's just because the Celtics choose to deploy him as a score because they don't need to do that playmaking in his current role. I think this year will probably see him grow more into that and get that opportunity with all the guys out.

I'd hope he can get that opportunity. He is a sleeping giant to me. And the same way people were talking about Nemhard being that for the Pacers. I think he's an even better example that he is a truly guested offensive player that just literally hasn't been given the opportunity to shine. I will be shocked if by the end, if he does get that opportunity, I think we'll be top 15 next year. Anthony Simons, get ready to follow Peyton Pritchett around.

This is not your team, Anthony Simon. You are not being brought in here to save the day. He's to supplement what Payton Pritchett is doing. I'm glad he is so much better to me than Anthony Simons. I think he's the same type of game, more effective at every level. And he can defend. He's small, so he's never going to be an impactful defender. But he tries.

He pulls them shorts up. He has hands. He can do some little passing lane stuff. I don't remember to me to see what his activity stats are. But when I test-wise, I feel good about his ability to be an active defender. Yeah, he doesn't get a last deal. So that's not true. But I feel good about his positional abilities, his intensity, his efforts.

I really want to see him take the next step. Think about it. You never seen a white boy in the NBA with a low fade not be able to defend. Ever. Ever. Ever. He has a low fade until day one, he's been able to defend. or at least try really hard, which is dumb important.

Yeah, he tried, he tried really hard. There's been times where he cannot defend. Yeah, he's just little as fuck. Yeah, but I do, like, I do really, really respect because not only like the offensive game, because a lot of players you can see as soon as they start scoring like 10, 12 points a game and they start, you know, getting a little bit more opportunity to get their back off to like, this is just what I'm going to focus on. You've seen Peyton Pritchard work to improve on, on defense.

And like, there's been times where he wasn't even playable. because he just couldn't stay on the floor. That's not the case anymore, right? So I really do respect Peyton Pritchard and how much he's grown. Yeah, and there probably will always be opportunities like that where he is still unplayable because of his size. So that's why I don't think he can be like a superstar because he just is physically limited.

But if he can play starter minutes, I think he can be hugely impactful. I think the rhythm in which he plays and the way he knows how to leverage his shooting ability to slash and just have that certain level of like burst, knowing when to utilize it looks star-adjacent. Yeah. No, he got it.

Tide Jerome, shout out Tad Jerome. I think I'm a little wary that his insane shooting touch from the short midrange area this year that kind of made him have his ridiculous season. I'm a little wary that that's a one-off thing. But if he does it again, he'll be higher on this list. And obviously the playoffs and go, well, I don't really care about that. It was a shit show. He didn't play well, but I still give him props as being one of the better backups.

Yeah, I agree. For sure. Okay. Next tier. Next tier. Mo, who you got from 20 to 16? So at 20, I got Fred Van Vleet, 19, I got Jalen Suggs, 18, Drew Holiday, 17, Lamello Ball, 16, I have Derek White. Fair, this is about, I think it's pretty similar with my tear it looks like.

Why is Drew Holiday so high? Why do you still have so much faith in him after his down year? Yeah, he had a super, not super down year, but mainly down year because he was pretty injury-hoveled. And his shot was somewhat inconsistent, not so well, it was literally inconsistent. And overall, the numbers did edge out a little bit. But Celtics fans would tell you, like, he was not very reliable for last season at all. And I look at that. I understand it.

But he is one of the few players on this list where it's just, like, you're proven. You're like 33, 34 years old going into next year. I'm not, I don't have necessarily any real worries about your game just falling off of a cliff. So he's one of the few players where I'm just like, you get a pass no matter what. And I think you are towards the top of point guards when it comes to this list. that we have right now. Yeah, I think everything's taking a little bit of a step back. He's not the best defender in the NBA anymore from his position, but he's still a good

defender. I think we have faith will be good next year, and most of guys on his list are not good on defense. So that gives him a big value add that I think that gives him a floor that I don't think it's nuts. I think it's a little bit too high just because I'm showing some faith that he can go back to being on ball a little bit, but last time we saw him be on ball, it wasn't pretty. That's the reason he went up to Biggs, basically being a spot up wing for the Celtics. So I don't think it'll be good enough to put him.

of Suggs or Vembley, who I think have way more offensive chops. But it's not ridiculous. The defense is still better. I mean, I don't blame me for that as well because around this list, I do believe too that Drew Hardy has by far, like, or seismically the lowest amount of usage to, this is the lowest usage that he's

had in his career. But, obviously, he's playing for the Celtics behind several guys and I think once we see him on the Troubler's next year, like we'll start to see his true colors again. Although, like, last year, yes, he didn't perform. one. Maybe I do have him a little bit high considering what he did specifically last year,

but I know the real Drew Holley. I know you for who you are. You are 18. You don't got to do this. This isn't the real. I will say either way, we're going to see his true colors. We're going to see either somebody who still has a little bit in the tank. We'll say one more good run. Or we can be like, damn, it's over RIP cooked. We'll find out either way. Maybe next year he'll be office list or we'll be proven that most right. We will have definitive answers next December. Yeah. Yeah. yeah okay other than that fred van vleet always makes sense these are probably comparable names we have so we can keep revealing who wow all right at 20 i have fred van bleat at 19 i have coby white at 18 i have jalen sugs 17 i have lamella bond at 16 i have tiree maxi so you're the highest on goby white

interesting well why is coby white top 20 to you i think copy white is a bucket bucket bucket he's cool man he's a bucket like yo he hoops Especially when you start getting into this range of can you be a starting point guard. Yes, Kobe White can be, it can 100% be a starting point guard. And a couple years ago when he started to make that leap and it was like the second half of the year, it was like, okay, is this real? It does not. And basically since then, you've seen the offense, the offensive explosion from him. And so I think that, like I would have him over Fred Van Blee because even though that Fred has some, some like really good moments and he had some moments in the play.

outside weird nice it always especially now doesn't it always feel like fred van bleas just overtaxed like you yeah and again part of that is situation but you go into like every game and it's like dang do we really need fred to do all of this yeah i'm not gonna lie he was overtaxed every time i see him play it just feels like he's an overtax type dude he's so small not the fastest he is pretty strong but also at the same time is like exactly he's limited the fact that he's slow is why it looks that way because he has from picking his old It looks like he's working so hard. He can't blow by anybody.

So he works super hard. It's to throw those arms, hit those off the dribble shots that are really tight and contested. Nothing comes easy to Fred Van Fleet, but he gets shit done. So, like, he is the definition of overtax. Like, Kevin Durant coming will help him. He was so important at keeping their offense together. And I say that their offense still wasn't good in the half court. So, like, relying on further than elite doesn't bear fruit.

But they had so little other options for half court creation that they can consistently feel like we'll put the ball in the right place. Dorenchi passes Sangoon. be a scoring threat and pick and rolls, be able to shoot off of a men Thompson action and off of Sengoon actions, that he was vital. He shouldn't be so vital to a team with championship aspirations,

but he is. So I'm all for respecting him, putting him in top 20 as well. Wasn't he an All-Star? Like, back in 20201 or something like that? Which year was? I don't think he was post-champaign. All-Star?

Yeah, he won an all-star year. It's crazy. It's the Eastern Conference. Oh, I forgot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was post-Bubble when Kaui left. Yeah.

Wow. So, yeah, so that's 19 and 20. And the 18. Jalen Suggs, listen, it took a lot in me to not put Jayla Suggs at 17 over Lamella. Yeah, I thought about it too. It took so much in me. And then I was like, listen, Lamello's just so talented. Yeah, yeah.

And he's the same way that you said, I forgot the name, but you know, well, you had Dejante as the last guy that you would want to be a starting point guard. Lamello is the last guy that I could say, you know what, let's try to build this thing around you. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. And so, like, I love Suggs. Everything that he does for Orlando, it's so important.

They, like, they missed him so, so much. Even with when Fraz is going out and Palo's going out, the common thread was if Jalen Suggs is not on the floor, things still look scary. But you can still talk yourself into saying, if we get the right pieces, if we get some defenders, right, the right infrastructure, maybe we can do some winning with Lamello Ball. And that's why he's at 17 over Jaila Suggs. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I use some more logic. he's also very similar to my giddy placement where I'm like...

Suggs? No, uh, Lamello ball where I'm like, I'm currently down, not as down as I'm on Giddy, so let me make that clear. Maybe that's carried some Lamello fans away.

I don't hate Lamello ball, but there's some personal biases at play that makes me lower on Lamello just for what I value in a player. But I'm like, put that aside. I have to measure talent as talent and production. Like he is still deserving of being a certain tier.

See, I treat it the same way. He's the bottom of the players that I feel like have star potential. Or maybe not, is there's actually a Derek White's higher if we don't have star potential Derek White, but he provides so much value that it makes up for it. But aside from the Derek White exception, he's the lowest player in this tier that everybody above him is a star. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's, yeah, that's why I had Lamella there. And honestly, I think mentally, I do think that I'm, I'm probably lower on Lamella than you are right now. We can go ban for ban for him not being high on Lamella. No, I'm not going to lie. He got it.

I know he was fighting demons. I may, I'm, listen, there's a lot of conversations. but yeah i yeah i'm just not high on olimela right now so shout out to you this is definitely it's that it's definitely his prove it year like if yeah if he comes out again this this season and we get to he has until christmas i name the whole season you have until christmas if i'm not seeing something that shows some type of like positive growth from him is done i'm out yeah dude literally last year not even last year well technically i guess last year for our christmas episode We are all ranked in, I guess, some, like, tough 20, 25-ish at lowest,

because he was perusing and the scoring was at a fantastic level. The assist numbers were there. Of course, like the efficiency, I think it was better at that point in time, too. And then, of course, he ended up getting injured. I think only played like 34 games or something like that. And when he came back, nothing was clicking at all. The shot wasn't falling. Reeds were off a little bit.

Turnos were ugly. It was just uninspiring. And so far, his career over the last few years has just been unexpiring. And it's sad. It's sad. Whatever we did that Christmas list, I think I remember, I like prefaced it that I'm like, don't feel great about it. But yeah, 30 points for game is 30 points for game.

I got to show some respect. It's fun to watch. But I was like, preemptively like, but also I don't know about this whole thing. It's got a fugazi. Do you remember what we did? Like, we put them at 20. And then we had a whole conversation about like, yeah, like, you're probably going to have to move on from them.

like he's it's it's him and tray in the same boat and like we were still thinking that tray was going to get traded so we gave him credit for scoring 30 but like you said immediately after it was like but you can't win with this guy the whole combo was about how we're obligated to do this because we really just have to like show respects we don't get you all that basically it was like a here damn placements but yeah it's not surprising to me that it fell off I do stuff I do stuff bad about it because it makes that list look terrible many things about those lists look terrible because it shit changed real fast But Jailene Suggs, I thought about the same thing about putting him over Lamello.

The only reason I didn't is because I think we all know Jailen Suggs is going to put together next year and be a two-way demon. We saw glimpses of it to start this year, but we just don't have a sample size of a whole season of him being that because when Franz Vagner and Palabank Caro went out, Jailen Suggs was left to deal with like 40% usage and it went disgusting because he had to play like Lamello ball and have ridiculous usage. She ridiculous off the dribble shots be the main creator. and that's not Jalen sucks his MO

you know that's not what you want from him so his efficiency for the year is goddamn horrendous not his fault at all so I don't care but I'm gonna wait to elevate him above guys who have star potential or even like baseline star production like Tyrus Max is two spots open for you yeah I'm gonna wait to put him on that level until we see him be in that

role we know he should be in for the whole year and really thrive all the faith in the world he will I just don't want to glaze the role player that all the nerds love because we think he can be this I'm gonna wait till he does it you guys know out of the three of us I am like a pioneer when it comes to glazing someone like Jalen Suggs. I wanted to

put them higher, but for all the reasons you said, I just couldn't just yet. We saw the elite shooting come around. Obviously, the defense has been there since day one, but we just need to see it come together. Yeah. And even if the three-point shot stayed, he shot 31% for the year because of that terrible situation. And to

start the year before that, he was at like 37%, we're feeling good about it. As soon as you see that get back to being a sustainable sample, I'll be very, very ambitious for my placement for him. I have... 20 Fred Van Vleet, 19 Kobe White, 18 Suggs, 17 Jamal Murray, 16 lamello ball. Okay. Wow.

Pretty much everything you guys agree with you guys are clearly higher on Jamal Murray than me. I think he's a Yokch merchant, so I can't put him top 15. Obviously, you have Maxie here, which I think is pretty much difference between me and Donovan's. I don't know who you have Moe in place of it. But yeah, like I think Maxi is a little more juice. And I think if Maxi was playing off of Yolkich, it would be similar. And I think I'm dubious. One, I'm annoyed at Jamal Murray's inconsistency.

to start the year. That shit matters to me. He's fucking on my ghost legacy. Yeah. He's still high. 17's still good because he is a performer when it matters most

and he does, it's not his fault that he has the perfect player for his skill set next to him. So I'm not digging him from a Yokch merchant, but I think when I compare him to other guys,

I just think that in a, you take him out of the specific situation they're in, you put him across other ones and do the mental gymnastics there. I don't see him being quite as portable or what's the word scalable in other.

situations okay i can understand that um but also i think i have a tier higher obviously i think when it comes to just thinking about like the core basis of the game size okay the straight-up abilities and what he was able to do of course like he heavily benefited more than any other guard you can imagine playing off of nicolyokic i think when it comes to what i look for for a championship guard was there and he did produce and he showed that he still was able to produce at in because it's a level at times last year, but he got it revving towards the, I think he had like a last season he had a 54, 54 point game. I don't remember. But the ability is still there. You are right about what you're saying. Yeah, I think we give him a lot of, he just coast off of like the

reputation of being a playoff performer. And like it does happen, but it's not consistent enough that I'm like, he's got to be up the next to stars like we said after the championship where we're like, at least for this year, we've got to give it to you. I guess you're the 10th or 11th best point guard in the NBA. Yeah. I, you, I, maybe you can. put them above lamello for just talking this year just because we feel so bad about lamello that's fine that might have just been me missing that part of my list

and like not thinking about that you know sometimes things slip by you and you don't think about every single position because you're moving people around so much I could put them up to 16 above Lamelo for this season but I had not much higher that's that's fair like Spoiler Maxi is 15 I'm not putting Jamal Murray above maxi

that's okay I think that both of them um both of them are are big men merchants like i think i think when you see the best of jamal murray it's obviously because he's playing off yokees when you see the best of of tiris maxi it's because him and joel and bead have this insane two-man game and joel's there to to set up to set up to take a lot of the primary like defensive attention so i anywhere in this range where you have jamal murray maxi whatever like that's fine i think it's a little bit different i think maxi isn't as much of a big man merchant as much as he is like limited and the situations when he doesn't

have joel and beat are just so abysmal he can't succeed it's kind of like a jalen suck situation where he just can't be the only guy the main creator but i think the thing with him being so good off of joel and b is because that's the only time he's in a situation that's like baseline competence he can play off of any start i think jama mary needs nicole yokech i think jemarie's main value is coming off of those amazing big man screens off of nicokech those amazing handoffs where he demands all the attention and walking into open jumpers. I don't feel great about Jamar Murray's ability to consistently beat the guy in front of him and create offense for others, consistently drive and kick, be a playmaker.

I think if the situation is competent, I feel a lot better about Maxi being able to drive offense, rather than Jamal Murray, who I feel like is just like an elite play finisher in a point guard's body. We don't see that type of player very often these days playing off a guy like Yolkich. I just don't feel nearly as good about his creation ability. That's fair. It's so hard to discuss anybody playing with Yokkich just because, He's so good and does so much for everybody that if you, if you moved, you know,

Jamal Murray to play with Janus or something like that. Yeah. Even though that Janus is, you know, second, third, best player in the world, whatever, the drop off in terms of how you have to get your buckets and operate, it's so different. And so if you want to put him this low, cool. I have them a little bit higher just because I do think, I do think you have to give him credit because I don't know if everybody. can be in that situation and finish the plays that he finishes.

We've seen Michael Porter Jr., who should have the easiest job in the world, which is just give rebounds and shoot open threes. And he often hasn't been able to do that. So I do think that not everybody would be able to do the things that Jamal Murray has done or will do with Yokit. So I want to give him a little bit of credit for that. That is true. I think I had to give him a little bit of credit.

I think 17 is exactly a little bit of credit. I don't know. He'd be pissing him. He'd be pissing him the fuck off. So I understand. Which is fair. Like, bro, coming to camp ready to go.

Like, you got to... Yeah, it's okay. He also pisses me off in playoffs sometimes. Like, he's just not super consistent. And I think for his limited role for being... He's, like, a specialist and doesn't get talked about him that way because he has, like, the aesthetic

of, like, a star point guard. And everyone's like, one of the best on All-Stars. He hasn't made it. It's not crazy at all. He hasn't made it. There hasn't been a single year in which he should have been an all-star.

There hasn't been a single year in which he was in all-star debates, for real. like he just is a specialist but it looks the way he looks the part of an all-star in that specialist that i think if you're going to be that type of player i really like you have to be consistent in the playoffs yeah and since the championship run there's just been way too many downs for me okay that's fair next up 15 through 11 at 15 at tyris maxi 14 i have james hardin 13 Derek white 12 carrie irving 11 de aaron fox okay this is a very fair to you this is this is very fair uh the only part i don't feel great about is fox at 11 because he has such a down year yeah i'm

just giving him bail pretty much i'm like it's a one down year he had the hand issue he had the changing of scenery i think he'll be back i do need to see him get to the rim more playing off of wimby something i should be talked to him about and i asked him about that i was like you know when you talk about you know you're developing over time and you're becoming more jump shot oriented how do you balance getting to the rim versus jump shooting and he basically was like i don't know i still get to the room a good amount didn't love the answer i do anticipate he will be coached to get to the rim more playing with the stretch five like wimby so i really want to see that development this coming year and i'm assuming we will if we don't and the jump shot doesn't come back which i think it's fair

he'll have a better shooting year without a broken thumb but if it let's say he has another poor shooting year and he still wasn't getting to the rim i'm going to move him down but for now i'm going to give him one more year of assuming he'll go back to that facts the numbers are so bad yeah i don't think he just sucks at a shooter now i don't think that i think it was the aberration yeah i i like the placement of Hardin that you have over Tyrese Maxy as well. Hardin led the Clippers this year, majority of the year through Kauai being out. And obviously, when you look at Hardin's numbers raw and compared to everyone else's numbers specifically too, they're fucking ugly. They're probably the worst numbers outside of Derek White, depending on how you want to

calculate that information. But what he's able to do playmaking wise is so important. And it's such a rare quality to have in a garden. He's been doing it forever. Of course, like, some of the shooting has fallen off a little bit and just like aggressiveness and ability to go downhill has depleted, but that efficiency in terms of knowing how to get guys to their spots and improving, genuinely like putting more money in Zubach's pockets and also potentially doing the same thing for, or at least raising Norman Powell's value is insane. And he deserves to be at 4th and I like that. I like that ranking. See, I'm not going to lie. I put him here because I felt obligated to. Just because he earned it, made all NBA, had a year for every year.

everything you just said. I feel similar to him the way we talk about Fred Van Vleet. Nothing comes easy for him, man. I just feel like he's overtaxed. He's such a gifted pastor that he makes it work because he still has that IQ

when he was the man. So, like, you see the flashes. The scoring game is just so ugly now. I really, maybe it's just because I'm such a James Harden fan of old that it pains me to watch him not be able to get by anybody.

That's what it was. And the playoff thing is so bad now. Like, he's very inefficient for a player of his usage. And Tyloo knows how to get the best of him and use the playmaking, so it's fine. but I wouldn't really want to build around James Hart at this point.

I respect the fact that he produced in spite of these new weaknesses of his game at this advanced age, but I don't really feel high on him after this year. Okay. But he earned it. So this is a feeling that you earned it. You proved that you still got some in the tank, so I got to respect your season. I think this is the highest random, but this is the highest Derek White placement that we have, right? I saw him on your list earlier, I believe.

No, that's Kobe White. I don't think you ranked him yet. No, I haven't. I haven't ranked Derek White. Okay. And that's a good example. I'd rather have Derek White than Hardin. Very interesting.

Completely different players, completely different players. That will really depend on the situation. Exactly. And that's exactly what I mean. I think if I'm building a team and I'm allocating money in like my main creators, I don't want James Hardin to be my main creator. So I think he's maybe you can say he's more valuable because that creation, you know, that's like a quintessential debate between like the first option guy versus

the role player. You guys know I hate that debate. And if you want to give the nod to that, I understand it. but I'd rather have the elite guy that's a little bit cheaper. Actually, maybe the money's actually kind of similar now. But take that away. I'd rather have the elite guy that can play off the stars and be a secondary player and do all that stuff rather than a middle-tier lead creator.

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I can agree with you. But I think when it comes to having Derek White this high, I think his skill set can be found at a much lower-reduced role. You're better off finding someone who's of a lower-tier, lower version. Derek White compared to a creator. who's eh, you know?

I completely disagree. I think it's like way harder to find someone that's as amazing if a role player is Derek White rather than somebody that can be a lead guard and produce good enough. Now, James Hardin's passing does elevate. He is a gift of once in, not once an iteration, but like generational passer, one of the best in the league there.

So I don't want to dismiss that. But I do think these days in the modern NBA lead high usage guards kind of grow on trees to some extent. Like most teams can and eventually will find their guy to fill that role over time. I don't like the clippers if they didn't get hard and would have had somebody else there that they feel fine with right now at this stage of his career yeah they would have been so much worse though too but if you would have slapped someone like a Derek white in there and they would have had you know it's just I can understand you I'm not saying you're completely wrong but I would just approach that differently personally yeah that thought experiment of like that's like the common thing people talk about when they compare like Chet and Palo and they're like you put him on the magic they'd suck I don't go fuck about the situation yeah I don't really care about the like what if you put player x on this bad team would that team be good no i don't care like that's not necessarily what i'm valuing like that's yeah that's not the

thought experiment i lead with i lead with if i'm building a championship team and i know i have to find my star creator is my role players my bench guys my wing defenders and fill all these slots who is more important in their role and i think i would rather find a different lead creator yeah that's that's that's fair question what's the difference between once in generation and generational one. To me the best degree

once in a generation makes it sound like there's nobody that's touching you in your generation

like Zion's probably a once in a generation vertical athlete he's like the best bounce there

whereas Luca Hallibur and Trey etc are just as good passers

but we have we use this word a lot and it pisses you off okay keep in mind I thought

about this for like the last like six months because we keep using the word because we keep

using it it's like if you say something generational then that means that it can only like it only comes around like once it in in a generation which is like 15 20 years and it's like so if if I can call you generational and then also in the same breath be like yeah but I can find X Y and Z person to do the thing that you do then you're not really generation okay well keep in mind I said once in generation

and realize I shouldn't say that so I pulled a word out of my ass I don't care at all about him being a generational pastor enough that's funny so you're right I've thought about this beforehand I wouldn't say he's an amazing pastor that doesn't come around to Well, you're not wrong. For his time, he was, but shit caught on and other, like, skills is developing also. Yeah, whatever. But, yeah, I'm not, I'm not dying on the hill that Derek White. I'd rather have a hard in, but I rate that for a reason.

But I, I'm not going to. He was trying to make a point. I'm not too passionate. Okay. Next up, this is where we're going to have real debates, I think. So at 15, Harden, 14 Maxie, 13, Darius Garland, 12, I got Jamal Murray, and 11, John Morantz. Before we started, we talked about, I was telling you guys that I feel the least passionate

about this list compared to other positions right now. And I didn't think we were going to have, like, heavy disagreements. I felt like we'd be in line and it would be a pretty calm ranking. I did, I did think that would be true until I saw you put Jamal fucking Murray over Darius Garland. Now my blood is boiling. Yeah. So this is where I go back to just straight up like basketball philosophy. The nuggets would have three pitted if Darius Garland was on their team.

Would he be there first and foremost? don't fucking know. And also on top of that, too, when it comes to talking about it. Hey, look, I can't say nothing. I can't say anything. And then on top of that, too, when it comes to. Fair play. Fair play.

Having, uh, having to. I would allow it to hold to a certain level of defense. When it comes to poking holes at a defense, it's so it's, you need to prove it to me if you're that small of a guard. And I think it's hard for some like, none of the three guards above him are great defenders either. Murray's bit better just simply because he's bigger and he can take more impacts. A little bit, sure.

John Morant, I'm not buying it with that placement. So we'll focus on Murray versus Garland. Okay. I don't think Murray is any substantive good of a defender for that to matter inside the fact of there, but sure, he is a little bit better than Garland so that's not crazy. The playmaking gap here is by far the biggest gap.

And I think Garland's a better score than Jamal than Jamal Murray. But I understand the availability thing. You guys know I'm not factored at all famous in my rankings, but if you want to, I cannot argue with that. The motherfucker has not been available. It's just a similar to someone like Drew Holiday like he has earned that level of respect

and also he did have the best playoff run since the championship year, Jamal Murray. So there's a certain level of respect that I have to give him at number 12 as well. I think there is a certain level of respect you have to give him. Number 12 is not that level of respect to me. Wait, come on, since the championship year, that means he had a bad year and then he came back and it's not like it's been half a decade.

Yeah, you're saying he had a better year than 2024, which fine, that's the easiest statement to make is 2024 he's dreadful. I think Garland is a star star. So I think giving shot to Murray a base on a level of respect is fair. Yeah. That's just like a little, like you put him at 14 and slide Murray and Garland up, I'd be with it. And you could put him with Maxie and I kind of understand.

And maybe I'm just too much of a Garland glazer. But to me, I'm like, I don't get it. Yeah. When it comes to Garland, it's not much of a downward punch on him necessarily. Now you hate him. I think more so I would like to group Murray and Maxi closer together. And Garland is just so happen to be the dude who I tax a little bit because it's like, okay, bro, several years now without seeing

without seeing you do anything in the postseason because you're consistent health issues and on top of that too like a few years ago when you were in the postage you're fucking obliterated by the Boston Celtics and I witnessed like some of the most disgusting offensive and defensive performances too. Those things happened

and I did not forget and they hurt me bro because I had real life expectations. He wasn't healthy last year. It wasn't it wasn't last year. I think it was two years ago two years ago and then also the New York Knicks series as well that happened. So there's so many, like, lapses when I think of Darry's car.

I generally do think he is the better shooter. He is obviously the, he's ways and above one of the best playmakers in the league. But it's just like consistent, like, what have you done for this specific year last year? And he didn't perform better than Jamal Murray. Oh, he did until he got hurt. So if you get, if you want to say he's injury prone, the lack of availability of the thing, fine. But he performed much better before he got hurt. And I just, I don't know.

principle to me like you get hurt and we're like now you suck now like it just it never sits right with me in terms of evaluating who the player is but it is a pattern to your point with him that if it's multiple years in a row maybe it's just hard for you get through a whole season and that's going to be a thing you live with forever i understand that yeah but i do think john moran's at 11 and like do you know last thing on murray too it's not seismic like i i'm not dying on the hill necessarily because going back to what you guys said a while ago and when you guys grouped Murray and Maxie together they're big man merchants

very much like the same similar things of Murray Murray is not as bad of a merchant as Maxey because I do think he's a little bit better of a creator and also he has more he's a better three level score genuinely too as well so I think he's a notch better than Maxey because of that as well but going

back to the or going forward to the Morant conversation I just have so many questions when it comes in man I didn't I didn't come off I again I'm like He's starting to question how much I can win with him. And that's very fair. Agreed. I guess I'm a little bit higher than you actually, but I agree in principle.

Okay. Donovan, who do you have next? At 15, I have Derek White. 14, I have Jamal Murray. 13, I have John Morant. 12, I have Kyrie. And at 11, I have Dame. Hmm.

So, honestly, we can flip. Damn. We can flip Derek White and Jamal Murray. I just, this was another case of me just giving Jamal, like you said. the credit and then also Derek White Derek White did take a step back this year in terms of his efficiency and his shooting which like

maybe it's whatever you know championship malaise from the entire team whatever but I just I normally I think I would have Derek White at like 13 or 12 this year I think I just need him to show the efficiency again to bump him back up but he's

still amazing he's still one of my favorite one of my favorite role players in the league so there's that you guys know how I feel about John all the questions that you have I have them as well I don't know if I can be not only win I think like win a finals that's not even

the stage that we're at anymore can we get to a conference finals can we have one regular season that feels normal can he play all of that so he's at 13 and then you got Damon Kyrie which is like listen you guys just salute you guys just stay out there

or trying to be out there right obviously they're both hurt but when they were on floor they were still fantastic they were still doing their thing dame little step back i the conversation for me and like spoiler i had de aaron like right above him that was kind of the conversation um and i i ultimately went with fox because i think you've seen the decline of dame and then even this last year like him getting to the rim was really tough for him and he really fell down like he fell down like five percent of points getting to the rim so i think him being on the on the decline and then giving Fox the credit of

you have the jacked up pinky, you're going to be better. That's why I put them a moment. Now I'm thinking about it. If I can make an amendment, I would slide Maxx up to 13 and then put Derek White to 14, Harden to 15. Okay. I think I underrated Maxie a little bit. Yeah, that can make sense. I definitely would rather

have some like Tyrese Maxxie than Derek White. Yeah. Would I rather have Tyrese than John Morant right now? I'm still giving John the ceiling play there that I'm like, Last year was a disaster with Taylor Jenkins. When he got fired, I'm really holding on to the fact that he really turned up when he,

when Taylor Jenkins got fired and they played through him a little bit more. There still is a debate that we talked about in our player 25 under 25 list that do you even want to play that play style? Do you even want to play through the John Morant? Can there, is there fruit to bear? Yeah. Of high level offense? Don't know.

I'm just giving him like it's really just benefit of doubt, name or condition shit. Still to some degree. But every year it gets a little bit less and less. Like last year we ranked him at five, I ranked him at five, I think. I think I had him my father. I got him lower now. Damn. I don't got him this low.

Fort 13 is a little bit low to me. But I don't feel good about it. I can't be mad at it. It's just that at this point in time, it feels more like a headache trying to figure out the Grizzlies and figure out their direction and their future with John Moran at the helm. And like, he's still so talented. That's why it's why you're going to buy in. He plays just enough to where you can see the vision.

But it's not fun. Yeah, and like, I wish I, I don't even want to get into it because we've talked about it so much over so many rankings that if somebody's watched this the first time and they haven't seen other rankings, they're probably like, that's it, you just don't like John Moran's vibe? No. I'm like, no, no, I don't.

But no, we've talked at so much length about his style of play and the, you had to really get the best case scenario for John Morant to drive high level offense. And we just, their team just has not had high ranking offensive ratings for entire seasons with John Morant. He's elevated in playoffs and at big moments, but when he is the high usage, lead guard and isn't the best spacer

and really has to like just force his way to the rim and create shots he's amazing at creating corner threes he is great at what he does as a driver kick guy but he's not the best off ball player playing next to other stars has never led high level offense obviously the build booty is a concern the up and down

shooting is a concern there's just not much proof in the pudding with the style of play leading to success exactly so but the talent is there so it's a tough conversation sucks and suck though I'm a firm believer that most guys I have the talent of stars can lead to high level play if the right situation is there like the whole conversation of like can you win a championship with these guys and people usually only say the guys who have

already won a championship or like one MVP's i think the list is a lot bigger than that like most players can be the best or second best player in championship team if everything else makes sense so that's like why i feel inclined to give guys credit in jama rent situation where like the talent is there it hasn't worked out i'm like we can find the best case scenario there is a world in which it'll work out. But I don't know. I can only say that for so long. Yeah. If you were able to be Dr. Strench, how many worlds would there be? You know, where, where Morant is the best player on a championship team out of a million billion. Yeah, not a ton. It's getting increasingly difficult to imagine what that team construction looks like. Yeah. And I don't think we're going to

see next year after trading Desmond Bayne. I don't think they're any closer to it. No. Pain, man. On to the top 10. Donovan, who do you have from 10 to 6? At 10, I have Deere Fox. At 9, I have James Harden. At eight, I have Darius Garland. Seven, I have Kate Cunningham. And at six, I have Trey Young. Shout out of you. Writing your past wrongs and respecting the shit out of James Hardin and everything. Hold on. Hold on now. Look at you riding your wrongs. Understand what this is. It's a quick okedoke. Bill you up to tear you down. Listen, you're going to fail. You're going to fail, right? But in the regular season, to carry, like, that team that we thought was going to be true true the 12th the 12th team out west 13th out west right you're not getting kawai until

you know 50 games into the season and even then like kawai had he had good moments but he was never peak peak kawai we saw it for one game in the playoffs and that's it i i do think that his ability to provide a floor for a team is very very high definitely and like if you like him or jama murray and this is the exact conversation that you were talking about but if you put both of them in a situation like that where it's like hey it's very limited uh talent we'll see what we can do can we be competitive there's no way in hell that jemal mary is leaving that team to 50 wins and the fact that that you can have so much in and outness from all of all of the stars you had a lot of turmoil in the off season letting paul george go all this and somehow the clippers are are the

19 now can they ever just get out of their own way and lift whatever curses on the franchise probably not i don't i don't know if they can do that but putting yourself in that position i do have to give james hard in so much respect because that's that's ridiculous yeah yeah i definitely respect the regular season aspect you know what it is i index for the playoffs a little more and like championship basketball which i don't know if i usually do that on these lists so it was a little bit inconsistent for me this is this is the one time now i was like no man like regular season is yeah and i'm usually i'm usually like respecting regular season it's just i don't something about the inevitability of what the playoffs will bring that I'm like I can't do it

with him specifically but I respect the notion I've treated similar players in similar ways before so I can't be mad at it okay now after next season if the same thing happens again then we do have to like obviously we've had the conversation for like a decade the seventh fucking time yeah you have the conversation by yourself at a wall door every single time but I do think that if the same thing happens next year then like the one thing that we can then talk about that hasn't come out yet is like oh he's definitely gambling like at that point if you are talking every single

time you have to be doing this on purpose oh my god you know what I'm saying it has to be that not one of my goats Trey over Ked Cunningham that's a tough conversation that's a tough debate I can understand either way but what separates trade from Kade do you I think

I think Kate is really good but I also think that we we graded Kade and the Pistons on a massive curve this year and it was the first time that they've been competent in like six or eight years and it was like wow look at them that's awesome and then this is also where i start to get to like the playoffs mind you tray wasn't in the playoffs whatever but kate you you saw it in the playoffs like there's still a lot of questions about his efficiency and his ability to be that like number one guy ball in your hands all the time and create for yourself and create for

everybody and i do think that tray the the one thing or not the one thing but the biggest thing that I took away from the playoff run and the Easter conference finals between the Pacers and the Knicks is like, okay, there is a world where you can build a contending team around a point guard

who has this very specific style of play is not a great defender and you can have all the ancillary pieces and so for a while, for a while there, that idea was going out the window with Tray Young. And I think that what Tyrese and the Pacers did and then what the Knicks have done with Jalen and Kat, it's kind of revived my hope that the Hawks can get back to the conference finals

and that they can be extremely competent. And so I've thought that Trey Young has been underrated for like a year and a half, two years now. I do think that he still is very good. I love everything that you're saying. I will say, though, I did not rank Trey Young this highly. Yeah, quick question. When do you think is the last time Trey Young shot about 50% from two? Probably 22.

It was exactly 22. Also, quick question again, when do you think was the last time Trey Young? had great spacing on his team. 22? 22 as well. So I think this, for this specific year, I agree with everything that you're saying. You were speaking hell of bars. But I will say for specifically last year, I, I'm not going to condemn your Trey Young ranking.

Of course, what the fuck I'm going to do that? But I feel like a lot of the same issues that you do a lot of things, a lot of the question you had about Cade is the exact same question that you could have about someone like Trey Young. A hundred percent. When it comes to like, okay, like, I see. see it but can i can i win with you and i feel like because of the nature of some like kade's game who is physically more imposing has shown to be more what's much more versatile as a defender much more versatile as a score those are the harder questions in my mind that triung obviously

can never answer in his entire career but if the hawks which we all believe like can build a certain way which they it looks like they have built a certain way i think like their ceiling and tri young ceiling as a player will be higher, but just based off of what I've seen from this year, there's no way in hell I can say, like, Trey outperform something like a, last year's specifically. We just haven't seen Trey Young being effective inside the arc

score since they changed the free throw rules. Shut the fuck. You say that, but also at the same time too, brother. You know, that's so funny. The other day I talked about how I'm so happy that the Hawks have all this spacing now. I don't have to see David Roddy play on this goddamn team anymore. And then the very

next, like, two days later, he got traded back to the odds, bro. I can't fucking escape. I'm in hell. Yeah. I'm not like, it's not crazy, but yeah, I just, I'm finding it, the spacing is a thing. I'm not saying he's been in good team constructions. I just, you know, every time we have these conversations, I'm not the quickest to just apply every lack of scoring effectiveness to the spacing. It's like the Palo Van Caro conversations. And I'm like, yes, it's not like you're playing with five year olds, though. There is still competency around you. It's not like you can't get anything off. And I think we just haven't seen him have the same level of scoring at the rim and being able to

consistently create inside the ark in a long time now and I'm just like been a lot of years stacked up now where the first year we were like oh he was so great last year we'll get back to that it was aberration happens again okay well we've seen him do before happens three times in a row I'm like well maybe this is who he is now like it's just maybe we're into a new phase where the I agree with the playmaking is as good as has ever been so he's still a great player but we haven't seen him be a high true high level score in years in general like he is his passing is much better levels better than his scoring. It's been like that since

college. His numbers of college are inflated as hell because he was a demigod back then because of just a whole different game. No, it was crazy. Yeah. But in the league, like his scoring is so much more limited. And I think when you add that, okay, scoring limited but still you can get some shit off. But then

on top of that, too, think about all the other elite point guards around this tier. He has the worst supporting cast. Worse just like offensive players around him as well. Outside of Cade Cunningham. outside of Cape Cunningham. But when you talk about Hardin, Garland, Deere Fox, John Moran,

like they, all these other guys around him have very capable scores throughout not the entire of the career, but the last few years. And that's something that Trey Young just doesn't have. So you have that alongside the nature's game as well. And sometimes the ill-advised, let me do his ass real quick, a little 30 feet away that he does sometimes too, kicks his ass on both ends. And so that's why I'm like, six is a little bit too much. but I love it.

And also, Cade is like way more defensive utility than Trey Young. Cade's a legit interior defender. He, I love watching him protect the room in those rotations,

obviously not consistently. I just wish Cade, I just wish Cade would be aggressive at the room and get to the free throw line. If he could ever, if he can get to the free throw line and Trey Young could,

if he had that grift in him, had the instinct in him, this would be a top-time player in the world. If he was unethical. Yes. I don't even think he's ethics. I think he's just bad at it.

I think he just does not have the instincts to draw free throws and to use his physicality because he just doesn't have he's not the fastest player doesn't create the best advantages he really has to work for his shots on the interior

and he's got on the point where he can work for it he can get to him so he's solid enough he still is about 50% from two despite the lack of burst he is a really good in-between game

creating those difficult shots he just doesn't have the ability to create enough easy looks to be a true high-level score but I feel he's not as good as good as Trey Young it's not like it's the biggest gap

in the world he's a very good playmaker and his defensive versatility is really good He's not some lockdown defender or anything. He's not even as good as Shea. But as far as lead guards go, he has way more utility than most guards. I put him a little bit higher. And it's more about Trey Young to me than his Cade.

Yeah. I still have concerns about Cunningham for sure. Yeah. This is, it's very much my hop, my hawk's optimism going into. That makes sense. That's very much what it is. Because even if you look back at last year, like Atlanta, they, you know, they did their thing somehow. They were 40 and 42.

still right there at that midline yeah i mean detroit won 44 games is a four game difference which is like a week of a week and a half of basketball and so when you consider that when you consider the fact that jalen johnson is going to be there you know hopefully right knock on wood but he'll be there for a majority of next year i i think that the hawks are going to be better and i do think that a big part of that is going to be trey young being closer to the the version of trey young that we all think that he can be i feel the opposite i think they will be better and it will have very little to do with trey young i think it'll be everything getting better around him and just less being on his shoulders because i think the idea we have a tray young and it might be

it might be less is more for it for him like you don't yeah you might you might not need tray to be super super high usage i need you to score 30 and 11 but like can you get the old you know like all his stats like he's a uh a good stats bad bad team guy and as soon as like you get better players around you all this and it's like he finally learned how to play but low key kind of like i don't need trade to score 32 a night if i can just get 22 and 10 22 and 11 out of tray young and it feels much better that might be the best version of tray young and so from that aspect i do think we'll get a better trade next year fair yeah yeah i guess a decent point uh yeah i just think the the point we have in our heads of tray young from 2020 to 2020 was like this man's like luka 30 points for game 10 assists

just is the complete engine. I just feel those days are gone and we have to recalibrate to closer to, we want him to be like what Tyrese Halliburton is where your average 22 a better score than Tyrese

but you know not closer to Tyrese than Luca and you be a lead playmaker it's just tough when you're also tiny. Bro, in his second year he put up like 30 and 9 or 30 I'm telling you I was only

halfway joking about the Frito things. Pre rule change he was a demon he was a grifter to the extreme and you could not stop him and the league allowed it's brother man that one I think, I don't want to say CP3 birthed this move. It was a CB3 hardened thing.

That one move where I think it's called you put your defender in jail and you get your guy behind you and snake in the ball. Oh my God. He just jump backwards. Yeah, he was a demon when it comes to that, man. They took that away and he lost the superpowers. Yeah, man. Listen, we'll be back.

They did make it to the IST semifinals. You know what? You are damn. If you put a gun to my head into time he was in the IST semifinals, I would be dead immediately. I'm glad. I didn't even remember that. I forget who the Thunder played, but I know it was the Bucks and the Hawks,

and then it was the Thunder play. I cannot remember. Was it the Lakers? No, those year before, they got limited kind of early this year. I can't even remember that. But also, they've announced the, oh, they did. They announced the groups for this year's IST. Yeah.

All right, next year. I mean, next list, I have 10 Damien Lillard salute. Probably last year we'll be on here opposed to kill these. How to give it to him. Nine, John Morantz, eight, Darius Garland. Seven, Tray Young, 6K, Cunningham. The Rockets, made it to the IST final. Because remember, they had the, they had the game against the, against the wars,

and it was like some bad foul calling and Steve Kerr was getting all mad. Oh, okay. That's what it was. It's a big goal. Can't give it, can't bring into myself to recollect that because I do not give a fuck about the ISTs in that finals. But yeah, so the only real difference is I swapped Cunningham and Trey Young. So not a big gap there, but I do feel, I do feel good about there being at least a one, one position gap there.

I don't, if Darius, if Dary is Garland didn't. get hurt, I'd be like, hey man, you can have have Ray Young conversations with me. But, you know, he hasn't been there, so I'm going to give it to Tray Young, who is an engine and who is, like, I agree underrated in some regards, but. So you feel safer when he comes to Darry's Garland compared to Jha? Yes, because

Darius Garland is better playing next to stars. He's a legit off ball player. He's a fucking amazing off ball player, actually, especially playing under the new coach. We talked about it with him. The thing that they put into his head that every time you pass the ball, sprint to the corner. The relocation he had this year was beautiful. Everything we glazed

Jeremy came for, Darry's going to do that all year. That Kenny Atkinson system was built on their shooters, being going to run around, relocate, and create constant chaos, constant pace and space. Garland was a huge part of that while also being their best playmaker, their best on-ball guy in that regard. Fantastic. Off the dribble shooter can get into the paint, create shots for others, feed their bigs. I think he is probably the best guard in the NBA right now of mixing together on ball and off ball, on this point guard list. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Steph Curry. Steph Curry, my bad. Forgot about Curry. But like the guys up top, like Luca and Shea aren't as good off ball as Darius Garland. And obviously those guys are light years better on ball,

so they're better players overall. But in terms of being versatile to play with Star Biggs, another Star Guard, and Donald McReadrell, that went well this year. He can really be plugged into almost any situation. He might be to play next to Luca Donchich. That might be possible. And what other point, Gardner says can play

as to Luca Donchish, besides Carrier Fink? He's a hard guy to fit with. I think Darius Garland could do it. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I respect him to. just be in bubble wrap man just be healthy please it's unfortunate again

maybe it is a symptom of just his body type I don't care to put that into my analysis I understand that it is a thing I'm not saying you shouldn't but I prefer to just judge them based off what we can measure and what we can analyze and their abilities I feel like injuries are mostly luck

obviously with some exceptions like certain some ball brothers ankles but I don't know I just don't know how to apply that with any sort of consistency okay let's see what my list looking like so at 10 I got Dearon Fox just like you 9

I have Trey Young while I was the lowest I was the most honest it's crazy man I think therapy do I feel like we're always the lowest on our own people because we're trying not to look like glazers yeah not me at 8 Katie Cunningham 7 yeah I'm a glaze I have Kyrie your wing I'm consistently

the highest on my guys and 6 I got Daniel Lloyd so of course um what sticks out like a sore thumb is that I got the unks up there six and seven in Kyrie Irving Carrie had a great very underrated year

obviously injuries issues there's inconsisties in my argument when it comes to comparing someone like him and Darius Garland

I think we could all probably agree like last year one for one player Kyrie Irving was better when he was available than Garland yeah for sure

I would say that I would definitely say that he was a better defender as well much better defender as well all right I mean I Kyrie is one of those guys it's like underrated defender

I'm not gonna put that into my analysis is not like he's a plus defender making your team better. I don't know. I feel like you think Garland is like the worst offender in the league. No, I don't think he's the worst offender in the league. Because you're like way better like Garland's a lot.

It's got a lick. It's more so like I think Kyrie's defense. You remember you. They don't play Tatum every night. No, it's not that. It's like it's more so I think Carrie Carrier brings the defense improved. It did so much over the last few years. And so that's why I gave him that boost.

So again, I have been acknowledging when it comes to Kyrie specifically there is inconsistencies. in my argument, but when it comes to Lillard, I legit think he was a top six point guard last year. He had a down year last year and, well, two years ago, the first year with the Bucks, but last year he revamped his game. He fit a little bit better.

He had amazing shooting stats. I think he averaged like 25, 7, 8, 9 assist, or whatever. And he saw like 38% of the field. It was pretty much like identical numbers. Lower volume, of course, to the last year in Portland. So very much that guy. I hate so much that his last amazing gears were just wasted, not fitting with Janice. Like, his PR's in the toilet.

Your placement is not crazy. I honestly probably should have been higher. It was just cowardice probably. But, yeah, he's still so good. It just did not work. And his abilities are neutered a little bit. But he's still, like you said, 25 on great efficiency. Like, it was still a good version of second option, Lillard.

Yeah, exactly. So that's why I got him there. Of course, Achilles' hair inconsisties in my conversation. But this is where I just have to give him one more final salute before who knows what happens next. Yeah. I'm talking like he's dead, but yeah. He's not even signed to a team yet.

What's taking his time? Trying to decide what's best for him with his weird situation. I guess. I'd take all the time in the world. Just for what rush? Yeah, what's the rush? Kyrie 7 is less understandable to me

just because that's just high. But I get to a little good thing. And I'm not crazy. I mean, again, below him is Cunningham and Young who we feel are flawed, but promising players. And Fox obviously had a terrible year. So can't be too mad at it.

This is the one time I won't get mad about it. Yeah, this range right here is where, like, obviously these guys are all star level talents, but there's specific things that we're all waiting to see grow in their game. When it comes to Kate Cunningham and some scoring things, Tray Young, we're waiting to see other things grow around him. And then Darren Foster's got their injuries on all that. But these two right here, Lillard and Kyrie Irving, specifically in this conversation, complete conversation already.

He's an unc and he's been there, done it before. He had a good year last year as well. I can't wait to see what it looks like in Kyrie returns and, like, leads the, be the lead guard for this team. Like, obviously, there's some trepidation with lead guard Kyrie and the fruits that that might bear. It's pretty interesting when Cooper Flagg and Anthony Davis are there. Like, that's an interesting duo of players.

I think Cooper Flag will have some creation ability to him. And obviously, AD, amazing score that can relieve some pressure if they have a connection there. I wish he didn't get hurt because I feel like we have a very, very interesting dynamic that maybe we see the best lead guard, Kyrie ever if he didn't get hurt. Probably. I think he definitely would thrive way more. Last time we seen him as a lead guard, it was when forced the nets.

And even before that, too, it was the Boston Celtics thing. And I think he thrives more. If you don't have LeBron James next to him, I think his best position is suited with, like, a very dominant big. And that's something we haven't seen just yet. And I think he's going to have, like, the most, the most, the best production of his series, some of the best. The AD, Kyrie Irving, dribble handoffs seem insanely hard to guard. How do you, like, has AD ever played with a guard with that type of office? the dribble shooting.

Not really. Like proble from mid-range coming off that, kind of like a Jamal Murray-Yokage type thing? Nah. I don't know if he's ever had that. Nah. Never. Actually, I do know that.

He's never had that. He's definitively has not played with a guard. I'm like scanning through the guards that he's played with. E. Tuan Moore. Nope. Darius. Dennis.

Rood. No. Delo. Nope. Not in your guard. Eichon Moore is the guard. I mean, he's not running picking rolls. I mean, I'm not fit to get into

each one more. See, is I already a drill a handoff for Etowal Moore. Listen, man, I'm not, I'm not going to do this. You're not going to say here and disrespect each on this podcast. Let's not do that. I'm just saying for the point of, like, can somebody play the Carrey Irving? Etow more is the last relevant name.

Eton Moore was just the shoe, and you took that to heart. Well, okay, that's our six through ten. It's now time for the top five. I wonder if you had debates here. I really don't know. It's just rule them all. Okay. I have five, I have Tyrese Halliburton.

Four, I have Jalen Brunson. Three, I have Steph Curry. Two, Luca Donchich. One, She killed with Alexander. You idiot, you read my list. Well, you know we're all the same. Who's coughing off of? Who's homework?

Good. I thought you guys were going to put... Haliburne at 4. Yeah. No, I'm... Was that a discussion for you guys? No, I've been... No, just because I've, like, been saying that Brunson's better, and I guess I'm just

going to stand on it regardless. Yeah. But, no, I just... I really value Brunson. And you know why? I probably value Brunson because of how much I've come to value Shea. And I think Brunson is so similar to Shea. and the value they bring that I'm like

maybe that makes me inflate him a little bit but I think him and Halliburton are very similar caliber as a player and Brunson maybe gets a consistency nod that might be the difference there but it's pretty close I can't be mad of you putting Halliburton above him. I haven't looked at

any stats but I just know for sure the shit that Brunson does is generational man I said the same thing about Shea before everyone else crowned him like two years ago you remember when I like said she was better than Jason Tatum. I said the type of shit he's doing generational. Again, back then, I ain't looking at no stats but it came to be true. Generational

shit, bro. I didn't look at any stats. Why not? Exactly. I put the iPad down. I'm rod-dog in his face, bro. The consistency of buckets. Not even county stats? I ain't looking at shit. I didn't try. I'm looking at straight up buckets and how many times you can get them, bro. And he is one of the greatest

at all time at that side specifically. And just in general, it feels like in the NBA. Yeah, I do think. I agree with the SGA comparison. He is an all-time score for his size. Whatever caveat you want to throw for, like, small guard score. Like, he does have, like, once-in-a-generation scoring abilities for his type of player. Like, he really is.

Like, he's transcended to a level. I'll allow it. He's, like, transcended to a level of, like, elite score that people don't quite think about him that level because he hasn't want anything. And I think people, he has a stigma of old second-round pick and, like, all these things working against him reputation-wise that if he was, like, a top-five pick in the draft and a little bit younger playing like this, people would be like, oh, okay. so this is a guy that we can compare to other guys and passion iterations and be like

Brunson does a lot of things better than these guys. The way he's able to be a true engine of an offense as a lead score and have his scoring be consistent against a variety of coverages and be able to just assert his will

against highest level defenders, highest level defensive aggression. It is so similar to what Shea does and what won a championship. I'm so interested to see what this next year looks like because I do think like like Brunson was

able to and I think one of the more underrated parts of his game and maybe people know it now because like since Tibbs got fired but like there really was no offense like the offense was so simplistic and it really was roll the ball out there Brunson go get us a bucket and he delivered time after time after time and so this next year now that Mike Brown is there for the bar that Tibbs laid the offense is going to be a little bit more complex a little bit more wants. And so I wonder how people view him because it's, you're not going to see the the crazy bag work every single play. Obviously, it's still going to be a part of his game and he's still going to do it. But like, if the offense gets more created and you get more easy looks for

Brunson, how do people look at him as a score? But either way, like, he's done this for multiple years now where the Knicks go into a playoff game. And he's like, we're going to need 30 from you. Whoever the second option is, they're not going to be here. Like, just go. just go do it and he's had 40 point he's at 30 40 50 point playoff games like all that well actually how do you have 50 I think so he's like 48 for sure I don't know if you say 50 or not yeah but either way it's been of that caliber so yeah I just think like being able to to drive your team because you are that level of the score it's it's so rare yeah and I think it's interesting like philosophical debate between brunson and haliburton because the way brenton

control the game as a score is quite similar to the way halibur can control the game as a playmaker like they are both like stand out with their abilities to like there's other passers as talented at throwing accurate passes as Tyrese Halliburton Luca can throw a higher variety angles of passes and throw these skip passes with just as much velocity and accuracy there's other guys like that hardened try young etc halberton has a unique way that he dominates the game with the smart decision making quick decision making that his playmaking is a little bit more impactful I think despite other people being similar skill in terms of passing the ball I feel similarly with Brunson. There's other guys across the league that can shoot as well, can get to

the rim as well, can shoot from mid-range as well, you know, measure each skill. Maybe they're similar. Donovan Mitchell, we'll throw that out there. But Brunson as a score is so much more impactful to me than Donovan Mitchell in terms of consistency and leading offense. Yeah, I agree. So they're similar in that way in that their impact in being able to be built around are built off their shoulders, their outlier abilities and their outlier consistency with those abilities that is really to each their own. I feel they're pretty much even. Yeah, I can agree with you.

When it comes to Brunson and the type of... Hold on, breaking news. Free Agent Marvin Bagley has agreed to when you deal with the Washington Wizards. Give me your live reaction. Come on, man. Anyways, Jalen Brunson. Not to you, Marvin Bagley.

Sorry for trying to have a well-rounded runner's show. The level of buckets that Brunson be getting is just so stable and consistent. And of course, like, it's due to the niche things in his game he likes to get his buckets off of two feet which throws off us one-on-one defender off every single time because it's literally like

unpredictable and it's little niche things like that which makes his, it gives him a floor consistently no matter what as long as the shooting is able to maintain and little things like that is why he's such like an anomaly and it's hard to compare him to someone like Donovan Mitchell

who just doesn't have, he isn't that level of, he's a great score but he's not that level of consistency of scoring. specifically you just stick it on the dimmitch comparison he also how do i phrase this he's not as much of a impactful score in terms of creating offense for others with this scoring he oftentimes can go into like a better word ball hog mode where he gets his off but isn't necessarily as good at creating those opportunities to drive offense for others that deemich falls into those bad habits i never feel like brunson falls in those bad habits i feel like when he needs to he'll make the extra

pass he plays in a team that kind of requires him to like force the tough shots because you know swing that bitch to Josh Hart, swing that bitch to OG and nobody to make a play. Like, in the Tibbs offense, that's not giving you any easy looks. You're just swinging to them to do the same thing you're doing. It's having a one-on-one isolation. Not often is that the best thing to do. So, I think his style of play is a lot by necessity.

I do believe that if he played for a well-hardy, he played for a coach that's going to get you moving off ball, going to do all these fancy ball movements to create shots for others. I think he can make those passes. I think he could throw good, timely cuts to those guys. If he was other, God forbid, he played for a coach that allowed him to use Carleton

talents to his most and run effective pick and pop and actually elevate Kat, I do think he has enough playmaking chops to execute that if the offense allowed it. Now we're talking. Now we're cooking. And yeah, it really is interesting because like Halliburton and it's a little bit of confirmation bias, but like the Pacers did create a team that fit Halliburton like insanely well. And we knew from day one having Kat and Brunson, it limits both of them and

and how effective both of them can be. And it makes your weaknesses look worse. Yeah. Because of the defense. Yeah. So like if you, we'll see what this next year looks like. But if you had a different center there that was actually like a full-time, you know, defender, room protector, all that stuff.

Like a really rare. Yeah. But like, how would all that, you know, come together and would it look different? Probably would than having Brunson and cat there. But yeah, we've said a lot. But the consistency of you. I do feel kind of bad when I'm playing Halliburton above him. like now the more I'm thinking about it just off really and so I don't I'm not gonna change it yeah but I do feel like something in me that's like all this is the I'm talking about how they're so even then I'm like man I never think like this ever but I'm like is there an intangible's edge I gotta give the Halliburton of this like the clutch factor the get shit done factor what we just saw him do in the playoff run be able to like they were both like he's the coach he's the club he's the club he's the clubbeder of the year yeah that's what I'm saying like brunson also has that that's why I'm struggling I'm like there's something in me that wants to just do recency bias to the fact that

Albertton got to the highest level and was one game, one half away without any of you from winning a finals? I'm like, there's something in my head that's like, should I put them for? It's so close. In two years when Halliburton comes back, I can't wait for this Nick's Paceous series

because they beat us like the last three times. I'm waiting for it. A question that I have for you, Donovan, is do you think there's a world where you can see Brunson surpassing Curry? Next year, yeah. You think that would happen? Do you think there's an argument for him

like being better than Curry right now? Fuck now. Not now, but like, but after next year, if it happened, I wouldn't, I would, I would be shocked just because, like, in Steph Curry, but I don't think I would be like, oh, wow. That's a hard question because Curry might just get old. Like, if that happens, it's just because Curry takes a step back. It's not really about Brunson. And so I, like, we could be here in December and I could still say, actually, you know, let's get to take a lot. I don't know.

I do. We're a couple of years. I think Curry is at least one more year at the same level. Me personally, I wasn't close to doing it, but I thought about putting Brunson at number three because of, of, of, of, you know, Availability reasons a little bit. And also when it comes to just like straight up production, obviously he doesn't, I don't want, he can damn near look Curry in the eye when it comes to what you get done at the end of the day. Obviously, it's so fucking different. But in the consistency of it, hey man.

I know you're saying. I know what you're saying. You're saying because especially it's really because the first half of last year before Jimmy Butler, his points you're about to assist type of game in production was down. It was harder from his game off because we obviously we talked about it for months. He was in such a bad situation that we talked about a lot early season. He's not Curry anymore to the point where he can carry anything to score 30 points or game. He needs some help.

You can't ask him to blow by guys every play with no help at all. So that element of Curry is gone. But I think we saw when they got Jimmy Buller that he gave him enough so teams can't throw quite as much attention to him, give him the release valves like a Jimmy Buller, like a Dremont, competent shooting when Pods is playing well again. He still is at the level that, to me, it's not a conversation yet. They added Jimmy and then, like within the first couple of days, they went into Memphis and he had like 12 threes in the game and it was like oh yeah he's back

you got a smugger back i guess i guess the situation was bad that like clouded a lot of stuff it wasn't just bad it was cataclysmic it was the worst case scenario for step krey specific skill set at this specific age yeah any conversation between lucca and shay or that's pretty much just like clearly shay's earned it she's got it like Luca Luca has to go out and do what she did this year he has to go out and snatch the chain back yeah i don't know if i have much faith in him like this is hard to say because i'm obviously a big luca fan he's on my favorite team also a big shea fan so i don't think there's a bias either way here is two my favorite players i find it hard to believe we're going to be able to definitively say lucas better than

shay anytime soon just because lucre has to do a lot and he has to win a championship pretty much since we're luca she's going to continue to play at mvp level he's going to continue to make deep runs because his team is going to be good enough Luca doesn't have that have that same luxury luxury of being on a great team right now now he's going to have to get out the mud and bring them back to that level and PR wise he's a lot working against him right now exactly yes the worst type of P the worst type of PR than any superstar can face is like the fatty allegations right I do think he'll get in shape I do think that like that it seems like that that motivation is real I think

he probably doesn't like being called a fat ass I think that's probably lighting a fire into him yeah and also like the fast stuff was because he got hurt too and just never the ball never got rolling after missing all that time so I'm not necessarily like he's physically cooked yeah but even when he was good he did physically he's not the same in terms of like his agility and stuff so there's there is some concern with his style of play being able to be quite as consistent when at the highest level than she like we're seeing the defense for one exactly you know like another terrible like PR name to be attached to any star player as well the second we start talking about you're fat and

you can't play defense bro yeah you don't have a bad taste in a lot of people in mouth and like it's not even necessarily like i'm not anti-luka play style it's just that she's play style is so consistent and so clearly impactful that it's going to take a lot for Luca to break through because there's not really any downside with Shea's game right now and there's not like bad habits to work against really it's pretty much baseline with everything and amazing at some things whereas Luca is like maybe more amazing at some things if you want to say his ceiling of skill set is a little bit higher but there's some weaknesses to deal with from a roster yeah Luca's going to have to average 40 men like that's that's the bar because you are you

are you have a guy who just won the finals finals MVP MVP was like swept everything that you could possibly do okay cover exactly 30 30 32 5 and 5 as efficient as as as you can be you even have to average 40 you got to get 15 assist again to really be like yeah like my playmaking is just so crazy it has to be something that's so definitive and I mean I just don't think that Lucas is going to average 40 or 15 assists this year And so I do think that Shea has the title for a minute. I don't get a fuck about that personally. But it's about like, are you going to make the Lakers be the best offense in the league

and show that your play style of heliocentric ball that you can be the end-all-be-all and have it be top to your production? Probably not. And it's not even your fault because the Lakers' roster isn't in that spot. But we're going to need to see that consistently. That's what's going to be necessary to, like, have them be back at the top of the West, which that's what's more important to me than, like, is his points rebounds assist is going to be gaudy?

Luca will always have ridiculous points rebounds assist. I don't care about that. It's how that correlates to the team and their team offense, team defense, and what you can take your team to, that's the part of that. You know what is in the struggle to catch up to. If DeAndra Aton, if you're an all-star this year, hey, you got it. If he changes Deandra Aiton's life, you got it.

I think he will. I think he will. You got it. We'll see. We'll see, like, what changing his life equates to. Like, we talk about it on stream. Like, I think he'll be the 11th best center in the league this year. Great.

That's the best case scenario. No, there's a higher-end case scenario. I think really, again, we talked about it, like Zubach was eight. Like, you could tell me he has a season where he's as good as Zubash. That's not out of the real possibility. I'm not betting on it. But, you know, there's a better case scenario. Yeah, man, that's high.

It is high. That's best case scenario. I don't expect it, but best case has to be high. I guess so. I don't know. I don't know if you can do it. I think you can. But, again, whatever.

It's fucking Yonjian. I'm not putting too much stocking. Let there be a bad heat wave in L.A. You're going to have conversations. You're going to be pissed, bro. He's with that. He's with that. He's from the islands.

Yeah. I do think Aiden has a high floor with Luca, though. I think there's no world in which he's as bad as he was in Portland. I think he's going to, he'll be closer to whatever this means, whatever the sliding scale means, he'll be closer to Phoenix than Portland. For sure. Whatever that means, wherever that nets out, I do think he'll be a solid player. Just a grumpy 15 again.

I do think he'll once again be an effective player that you want on your team in some way. I can give you a meli collie 12 That's what I can give you I don't got to be happy about it And there we go man We didn't spend much time talking about Luker or Curry You know who they are You know what they've done

You know what Shay did I'm not going to justify that positioning The interesting part was 4 and 5 And that's our list That's our top 30 point guards That concludes the first ranking of ranking season This is the what I think this is our most civil discourse

That we've probably ever had When it comes to our Now we've had some civil-ass discourses about like PowerFords because they don't get the fuck about those positions because there's not a lot of talent there. So we haven't actually know

because Jarrett Walker you threw a mention in last year but outside of that we've had some civil-ass conversations about PowerFords. I feel good about this list and I think we're trending upward guys. Woo!

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Today we're going to do a draft picking NBA lineups with only players who play for a California team right now. So Clippers, Lakers, Warriors, Kings, only stipulation

they've got to be on one of those rosters in this current moment. Doesn't matter if they went through free agency. If they're there last year, they got a drafter there, just have to be on the roster.

Okay. Draft order. Got a burp. Mo, me, Donovan. Okay, finally. It's been like two weeks since I got the number of an overall pick. Per usual. With my first pick, Luca Donchus, congratulations.

You are my point guard. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I guess that is the best player here. Yeah, he's the closest player to being a top 10 player. Elite passing shooting. I'm straight, bro. I got no worries.

I'll pick the other top 10 player. Give me Steph Curry at my point guard. Okay. There we go. One and two are very easy. What was that? Yeah, very easy. There's no, like, real conversation between after that.

Now, even at number three, there's no real conversation, too. Is it? No, there's no. No. Where are you going? Nope, nope, nope. I'll take the old man. LeBron Jay.

Damn. The old man. Okay. What you got to double up? Who are you pairing with the old goat? I'm getting Zubach at my center. Zubach. Okay.

There's not a lot of great centers. You are right. Out in the Pacific Division or just in California. you. And so it's either I get Zubach now or I wait and I either get Subonis. Damn. Okay. Give me Kauai Leonard. Fuck. Did you understand what you just did to us just now? Curry and Kauai. He set me up. Thank God. You can have Zubach. Respectable pick. Shout out Zubach played an all set level this year. Give me the lethal score off of Curry. Yeah, go ahead and take them 20 points a game.

For 20 games of season. Exactly. You got it. That's fine. Calli, I'm asking you. You don't want to give me a whole week. Can you give me one more day? Okay, fuck. All right, well, I guess at my wing spot, give me Jimmy Butler. Oh. Yeah, give me Jimmy Butler.

And then at my four, do I double up as well? You do? You know those works? Yeah. You know, you're going on today. Yeah, at my four, give me Draymond Green. Ah, fuck. Did you do that just to stop me from getting him?

Maybe. Doesn't make sense at all. I got a league of defense. Dremont and Luka makes no sense. It makes sense. Trust me, Dremont's going to change his fucking life. Now I can't have them.

So congratulations. Damn. I was fully expecting that I get him on green. Yo, the rest are going to hate my team. Who am I going to pick now? You just screwed me completely. Moses Moody can give you good wisdom.

We interviewed them before. You need these bars in your life. We did. I'm stuck between different places. You know, what you know who would be a good fit with curry for similar reasons to draymond green someone i don't usually like that much give me some bonus at center him put passive passing hub off of curry would make a lot of sense you know one five one five defenses I don't know

barbecue chicken give me give me a chance to build around it I got some coming okay I actually don't but we'll take the white man give me awesome reefs okay that's a good good fit with yes I'll take off some Reeves and now who do I want to pair with them because on the Warriors I think I'm out of options there's nobody that I really want

yeah we go with the Kings ha ha the clips is like it's fine I really I really don't know who I'm a tough one because there's a lot of good players we're trying to figure out the right fit right now and stuff that's why I'm like obviously guys I'm not the biggest bonus guy

but with our specific stars you gotta really like curry Luca and LeBron are like very specific players to build around right now and it DFS why you have to go to the Rockets facts you would have been here um you know what

give me I don't I don't want to do this don't pick my guy don't pick my guy don't pick my guy I don't want to do it he's right there nah give me I'll say Kegan Murray dude oh my fucking God

I was banking on Bigwood of Pair Mickey Murray there yeah I'll take Kegan Murray at the floor Oh my God wow yeah I I got to do that. Strong. Dude, I was banking on that.

So hard. I need another, like, great defender to pair with Subonis. Who else is there now? Now, man. I got him. Saved his life. Give me Derek Jones, I guess. I got to have another permanent defender.

Oh, that's really good. That's not bad. That's not bad. I'll put quiet before. I'll be Derek Jones. Yeah. That's not bad at all. Okay.

Joe. Derry Jobes. Okay, so I'm going a little bit small at my five. Give me John Collins. Good rebounder. Okay. Shot blocking is not bad. He average won a game.

Zubach is eating him alive. It don't matter because he can't keep up. John Collins is at the Senate? He can't, yeah, he can't keep up. Zubach can keep up. Oh, you do have DRIM on green, so that makes it more palatable. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then, okay, this is where it gets a little bit tough.

I got obviously, my great defenders. and Draymond Green, Jimmy Baller as well still. I need another defender next to Luca. Same. So I guess my only option is the one only Keyon Ellis. Welcome to my team.

I'm glad you did that. Give me the better defender. Give me Chris Dunn at my shooting guard. Oh, he can't shoot for shit. He is not better. First of all, I have Steph Curry. You know damn well the spacing will not be an issue.

Oh, trust me, brother. I know how to alien Chris Dunn. If anyone knows how to, it's my team. Good luck. It's Draymond. luck yeah i'm actually very upset because that that was gonna be my pick chris done yeah that would have been a perfect fit for you with the rebs and lebron yeah that that's what i was gonna you still

mary i'm give me chris done i'm i'm pissed i don't have kegan murray i was banking on that that was that was i really don't like this because like i can pick somebody else but like it would just be if i had kegan murray i would just be nasty and i wouldn't really have defense but you know we're we're getting we're just gonna have to figure it out put put reeves at point guard let's get uh let's get malik monk in here damn he will do anything but get hardin man god damn

he'd rather have malik monk than hardin well i did forget about james there is that aspect ultimately i did fuck up okay okay i did yeah man I did forget about

he said i cannot tell a lie yeah that's funny so so audio listeners I have Steph Curry Chris Dunn, Derek Jones Jr., Kawhi Leonard, Demontas, Sabonis. Ew, three non-shooters. I have Luca Donchis, Keon Ellis, Jimmy Buller. Non-cheater, oh, fuck.

Germant Green and Tom Collins. You're spacing is not good. No, it's no. John Collins takes like four threes a game. Drummond is very capable. Keon Ellis can shoot as well. They're all just capable. There's not one plus shooter.

John Collins is a plus shooter. Luca Donchis saves my life. Germant Green isn't like. John Collins being your best shooter. He shot 40% from the three-point line. You were not watching. I will live with. John Collins in a playoff setting being the best

shoot and you will die by the fourth quarter And I have Malik Monk at point guard Austin Reeves at the two Lebron at the three Kegan Murray at the four Zubach at the five Who is the best team here? If I could have got harder He really sold himself with Zubach for sure No I actually don't think so

I don't work out in the end I think having Kegan and Zubach is But your defense is so ass behind your guard defense is like literally horrendous I understand that If this was 2021 LeBron you had the best team by far. 2025, LeBron.

I'm curious. I understand that it's looking scary. Do you have a center that doesn't like to shoot 18 footers and you guys stop what do you mean? And he plays like 20 games a year.

I said fraud. I think my team's fat. So I don't know. It doesn't matter. Your point guard's fat. You said it's small. So what's good? Your foregone

Nope. Never mind. You remind me of Minage when she was calling out Molly Cyrus at that award show. So what's good,

Molly? What I'm missing? I got to tap in. What the fuck? That was like 2014. You don't got to tap it. You missed a moment for sure. That is.

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in the description it's going to be pinned in the top comment and make sure you guys go tap in and bring your crayons next thing we're going to do i'm going to show you a series of emojis you got to tell me which NBA player you're looking at okay okay let's do it so representing them in different ways you tell me who i'm trying to describe first off which player is this demon time Demon time on the bill. You got to be on you got to be online to understand this. You got to you got to know you got to know what this is. Who is this?

Okay. So I'm leaning towards a new gen player, someone who was drafted in 2019 or someone drafted in 2020. Either could be Zion or Anthony Edwards. I'm kind of lost. Okay. Now I'm going to steer you back. Those two players, you're on the right track.

But what would you say is like a very online defining trait about Zion and Anthony Edwards? they're nasty okay let's take that moving back about five years and think about oh I know what you're talking about

is this Janice Senda Kumpo there we go is this Yonis that guy is kind of nasty and he's proud of nasty he's loud and nasty got the bell to describe the nastiness

this oh yeah the bell oh that's crazy you said deep in time I was like does he know it's not a clock yeah

that's a bell Yep, this is Yonis referencing the infamous moment. Player two. Okay. Is that a cow or this a bull? Okay, it's a bull. You're looking at lungs, corn, bread. Green.

Green cornbread? Green corn bread. What are we talking about here? Green corn bread. I feel like, like the corn and the bread have to be they have to be together something is afoot with the corn of the bread i don't know man with the with the this is like a big body is this a player or a starting lineup i don't know that's a player it's just it's just it's all one player okay fuck i'm not gonna

lie you guys are embarrassing for not knowing this is this my goat lebron what the fuck why does be lebron where do you get in the broad from lebron can be a part of any conversation in that I have a voice. This is not a run. Damn. I want to give you a hand, but they'll give it away

immediately. Like, because it's going to click for you guys. Is this, is this Jalen Brown? Why? I don't know.

No. I don't know. Are you cooked? Is this Tatum? No. Save these words and subsequently. Bull lung

or bull rib? What the fuck? Is that a rib? Is that an x-ray? There's ribs. Is ribs? Okay. And that's a bull.

That is an ox tail this is chet home green oh my goodness robs cornbread greens oh oh okay

yeah we were never going to get this I felt like that was pretty easy we were never going to get this cornbread greens okay I was almost thinking Chet that's an ox

damn I can't tell animals based off the emoji if you put I don't think I could identify an ox right now you gotta take you to the zoo I don't know if I can

I know what ox tales are I can't identify the animal. Animal of origin Okay Okay next one Who is this player Wait time about what's the difference between a bull and an ox Is there a difference?

I don't know I only know what difference between a bull and a cow They're clearly similar I don't maybe there's a small difference Maybe they're the same I have no clue All cows are female Bulls are males What is this white ninja

Tyler hero? Tomah hero This is Kim possible What the fuck's going on man White ninja don't get caught up in the whiteness no but it well kind of but not white per se

okay is this because this feels like I have no idea it feels like this is an emoji from Doom it does look like Dune is this

the Lisa La Gaiib Oh who is that I was gonna say Wembe This is not Wembe Luca not Luca All right Not Wembe

It is along the lines of ninja though It's not The Ninja isn't the word But that you're along the right track there. That is the point. T.J. McCado. It's not T.J. Bacado. Jose Alvarado. This is not a white player.

Well, technically. I mean, not entirely. Okay. They got some, too. They got a little spice, a little tame to them. No, they're not white. Okay. They're just very bright. Sure. Okay.

Hardinstein. No, the Hartstead. Damn. You're just all those lines. Come on, guys. Just you get this one. Damn, bro. I'm in hell right now. The face, it looks kind of young. Oh, okay, a young ninja? Okay, so yes, but apply that in different phrasing.

This is the baby-faced assassin. This is the girl. I would have never got that in my entire line. That is a baby. A assassin. You got to put a baby with a gun. Nobody ever thinks of assassins with swords. That's never the thing.

I can't do a gun emoji. The water, bad you think apple is spitting out gun emojis you're gonna spitting on john wick i can't tell my phone to do that oh my gosh okay y'all would have never got this listen i've seen some crazy emojis the gem moji is crazy i'm sure you can find one with the gun you could have done a z as well i typed in babyface assassin gem oji and this will pop up that's funny this so i got i've john wick was not coming up okay next up who is this player sad you across Jonathan Isaac

I was thinking the same thing Yeah Because it would be quick The same you Do you got some low eyes They pointed at you Cross Is this a crossover type of thing

No not necessarily Cross isn't the word there Okay Is this Brenny Ingram? No Oh Chris Paul This is Chris Paul

Point God And he's old and tired See finally You guys get it I'm doing words that to represent that you understand the method now got you okay okay okay finally next one who is this player oh all right strong saluting it's like a captain is yon the captain america lebron this is not lebron but you are very close you're along the right lines it is not yonis

it's not no i say captain and his face lit up is this jalen brus no damn big you carry me right Big Body Strong. You're just giving a salute. I'm trying to think of my... Who do you salute in this world? You salute America. America. I don't know.

Who do you salute in this world? I'm not salooned America. That's what I'm saying? It's been a long time since I think I've saluted somebody. I've never saluted anybody in my goddamn wife. I've literally never once saluted somebody. Man, this is one person who I salute all the time. It's Bill Russell.

Close. Kind of, not really, but... Oh, my goodness. Okay, so it's almost it. So a lot of times when we salute it's somebody that's like really old. Are these all like current players? No, not current players.

Okay. Clearly somebody that's old. Who salutes? Like, what group people salutes? The Army. Is this David Robinson? This is David Robinson. Oh, man.

You carry me right now. I would have not got that. The military plus, he's strong and shit. Makes sense. I even personalized the emoji for you. Makes sense. Kind guy. I was like, who do you salute?

Soldiers, that's all he could be. It's the American. The US of A. Hell not. Next up, who is this? Black demon? What? Coffee, devil.

They clearly, is this a devil? I actually don't know what that emoji is, but that's what I'm trying to get across. I don't think about that. I don't know what that actually is, but yeah, I'm getting across, like, demon of some sort. Demon, all right.

Caffeine, coffee, black. I'll tell you right now, I'm not using it to say black. I'll let you know that I'm not saying black demon. That's not what I'm saying. Coffee demon. Okay. Where are we going?

This is the easiest one by fucking far. Is it, really? Coffee? Are you getting me? Amir coffee? What the fuck? I don't know.

What player? I'm in hell right now. This is Jimmy Butler. Oh. I was like coffee? Come on. I thought this would be instance. I don't pay attention to this.

this was damn company, bro. But here you are, knowing as a company. I don't even mention it. He won. He won. His marketing got us. Fax.

I actually don't know what this emoji is, the red one. Is that like a Chinese New Year thing or something? Yeah, I have no idea. Every time I put in D-Mener thing,

that shows up. Yeah, I'm assuming it's cultural in some way, but I don't know which one. Yeah. It's something. Baby go. Wendy.

This is Wendy. The baby goes. Yeah. Because that was one of the easier ones. The easiest. I'm glad you could tell it was a baby. I wasn't sure.

It's in a little pouch like a kangaroo These new emojis are going to go crazy I know Kyle Anderson I didn't even say it yep This is Kyle Anderson Anything that has to That has to do with being slow That is Kyle Anderson

Who is this Okay Meditating This is also Wimby As a monk Oh that's a good woman It's not Wemby With the basketball

Let's see meditating thinking You just always thinking about basketball It's not necessarily meditating Think about what emotion That describes Peace how you use an adjective

to describe somebody in this picture calm yeah along those lines right calm peaceful ethical that one's not

that one's not quite the same as the others but you're along the red lines before all right so we're thinking about calm basketball who's just calm under pressure

is she this is not she damn that's that's good I applaud you for that is a good I understand you're going for

I'm not that wrong direction with this this is another compare these two together Okay. Compared just like the calmness and the basketball?

No, like two parts like say it, say them like the point God. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm trying to figure out. This is kind of hard. No, no, it's very hard. When I tell you, I'm trying, I don't want to give away too fast because when I tell you, you're going to laugh and you're going to be like, I don't know if you're mad at me or

you'll be, oh, dude. I meant I was going to be mad at you. It's kind of a baseline. Yeah. I'm cooked right now. What the fuck? Think of another word for calm Zen Phil Jackson

It's not Phil Jackson What is the second one? Ball Correct Zen ball Dude you're so close You're so close Is this this Braun?

No We're good Mello ball Mello ball Mello means calm Mellow ball Yeah That was a good one

I'll take that I'll take that You got to give you That was a good one You got that That was a good one. You got that. I take that to the chest.

You got that. Mellow ball. You got that. We could have got there. Yeah. I felt in my back with that one. I was like, this one is good.

Okay. Who is this? It's Ron Artes. This is the Pandas friend. Yeah. Okay. Panda lover. He loves Pandas?

He loves him so much. He changed his name to the Pandas friend. Yeah. Legally. Wait, really? His legal name at one point was the Pandas friend. The Pandas friend. The Pandas friend.

After he changed it. Ron, World Peace, Panda's friend. Yeah. Who is this. This would be Steph Curry. Why?

Unlimited breath. Like a limited stamina. You think I'm a limited breath? Try again. Infinite. I'm kidding. Stuff Curry.

Yeah. What are you stupid? Yeah. You think I would ever do that? Of course. It's Steph Curry. That was nice and easy. damn man that had me in hell

that was more difficult than I thought it would be fuck man I didn't get one right so one character right damn you were just along for the ride you did you did you got Jordan oh yeah I did do oh yeah you got Jordan give yourself credit don't beat yourself down so much man

you're right cool start for you good start for you potential pracing trophies are elite I know next thing we're going to do let's talk about what the NBA will look like five years from now and when I say that I mean we're going to rank the top 10 players in the NBA in 2030.

We're going to try to project guess who we think is going to be dominating the league. Okay. We're going to take turns going to Donovan, Mo, me. We're going to go in circles picking player one by one until we have a list of what we project to be the best players in the world five years from now. Five years from now is a long time and so much can happen, bro. Yes, these will certainly be wrong as hell, but it's a fun thought experiment. I'm not going to lie, five years from now, no matter what we're doing, you guys have to give me a PACs that we will return to this video and see. if this is correct or how wrong we were.

A pact. I just hope you remember this video this five years from now. That's all you're saying. I probably won't. We've got to make another video reacting to this. Okay.

If you can remember in five years, we'll make a video reacting to it. Say less. Donovan, who do you think would be the number one player in the world five years from now? I think the baby goat

would be the number one player. Victor Weminyama. Entry. Safe assumption. That's a pretty good one. Yeah. So do you think Yokic and Shea will have taken a step back by then?

Or was Wembe just going to be one of the guys? So I think Wemby's just going to be, one of those guys. Yokins is going to be 35. He's still going to be great, but I don't think he's going to be the best

player in the world. Yeah. 35 isn't like, don't let LeBron and Curry fool you. People get old. And Kevin Durant. Yeah.

People get old. That is true. And also, who knows when we, if Yokich is going to want to be playing until he's 35 years old. I don't know.

I guess that's the point. Maybe he'll retire early. Yeah. I still feel like Yokch will be, I do too, because the nature of his game doesn't say anything will fall off.

I think offensively he'll be pretty much exactly the same that's fine but defensively do we think he'll be a little steps lower yes yeah holding the title for best player in the world for like eight years only people there's lebron jordan kareem like those it's those types of bill russell obviously yoke's like on that level like he's amazing he's great but like not on that level those are five top five players in all time so to your point yeah that's pretty impossible to do narrators linking i'm just saying oh oh oh i'm just saying convos okay okay and we're just talking we're just having discourse for discourse sake whatever but yeah i think in in five years wemby

will be in year eight that's peak right in the middle of your prime yeah he'll probably be like the best defender in the world by far like there probably won't be a close second unless chet also is one of the best defenders of all time do we feel like his offense is going to be quite good to like she who i think will still be just as good yeah most definitely yeah he's already developing that question isn't so much he's going to be the best player in the world Number one is hard, Darren. You've got to talk through it. Number one is it difficult.

He's already developing that three-point shot. He's already top 10. Yeah, exactly. In year two. And he's not even close how good he's going to be. Clearly not even close. The offense has so much room to go still. I think number two is pretty simple.

I'm going to lean towards Shay. Okay. Five years or not he's going to be like, what, 31 years old. And there's not much to his game that should be able to follow. He's going to be still like in the peak prime of his career. Coming off six straight championships? Yeah. He's so tough.

God. Six straight champions is crazy. Yeah, I think Shea's a good pick. Ant could be in the conversation, but I think I think Shea will always be better. The only thing would be like, do you think, like, Anne's a little bit younger, but 31, She's still going to be firmly in his prime. There is no reason to believe he'll fall off physically. I probably feel a little bit better about him aging than Luca at this point.

You've got to have to. And then, like you said, Yokch would be 35. But I will go Yokch number three. I still think Yolkich will still be a top tier player in the NBA. His offensive skill set passing doesn't go away. He will always be big He will always have touch That will not go away at all

He's not vertically inclined Whatsoever as is Doesn't matter if he loses A step vertically He'll be just as good It'll just be hard to know What the defense will be like But it's not like

That's exactly holding up His impact right now Yeah I agree I actually had this exact same Third is three already I feel like third is easy I did not have I feel confident

I feel confident 35 isn't that old Yes it is Is it? You're talking like it's 37 Like I'm expecting We saw Chris Paul go to the finals at like 35, 37

Most superstars are still great at 35 unless they get like a James Harden Tubba hamstring injury. Yeah. It's not going to happen, y'all. Yeah. Third best player in the world is still, when Chris Paul went to the finals, he had Devin Booker alongside him. It's not like he's leading the charts and like being the best player in the world.

I think almost every player, all the best offensive players of all time are pretty great at 35 unless they got hurt. 35 is like the end of their run though. This might be the last year. This might be the last year. I mean, listen, Shay and Wemby passed him up. I'm not saying he's exactly the same as he is there now. He's high.

Three's high for me. I don't feel bad about his skill set transferring that hard. Like, I don't. It's okay. If this is someone like Janus, that I completely understand, that 35 is way more risky. He's not on my list.

I'll tell you that right now. Wow. He's not in your top 10? Wow. That's crazy. I'm putting him in the top 10 somewhere. He for sure is. I hope that pick,

yeah, he for sure is. Who's number four? Number four, Anthony Edwards. Okay. That feels good. I think he does have. He'll reach the top five player. He'll reach in the conversation for best in the world any given year.

Damn. The rate in which he's improving at this age and you feel good about the like intangible side that he's gonna keep continue to work hard i feel safe about that too exactly we we wow yeah we have to put him there i don't necessarily feel safe about it because at number five i'm putting lucca donches and i think at any given year in 2031 like those two could damn near be interchangeable but right now i think luca is a lot more safer because there's no question to his game you're just question two is like things outside of basketball which is health yeah i would put luke above him too but i'm not mad

above him. We're going to be in year 12 of Luca. At that point. 31 years old. He'll be fine. I don't know. A lot of wear and tear. You right.

High usage guy playing from a young age. Like, if the stuff is true that he is slowing down athletically, I want to see one more year of that to see how he bounces back after this scrutiny. But if he doesn't bounce back and he is still slow and it's just a new era and he's playing like a 30 year old 26. Maybe he's like just aged a lot because he played from such a young age. Yeah.

Don't make me bring out the highlight tape. Oh, God, man. The 2019, 2020, 2021, Luca was, oh, he was moving different. He was like, he dunked on people. Yeah, but then again, he's so much better in 2024 than he was then, despite being slow. That's not the point of the video. Yeah, well, that's the point of the video is just to show you, he don't have bunnies no more. Yeah, agreed.

But I'm just saying it doesn't matter. He's better. If I put three cones out and I say, do a shuttle right now, he can't do it as quickly as he did three years ago. That is the point of the video. You're trying to make, oh, he's smart. I don't care about that. That's not what I'm saying. It's better despite it still.

So I'm not terribly worried. I would have went Luke above AMP, but four and five, these are the four and five to me. Okay. It's not bad, so, like you so far. At six, this one's tough to, because to me, it's between Janus and Cooper Flagg. Whoa. I kind of want to, I kind of want to, I would put Jason Tatum, but I'm scared of the Achilles. Really?

It is still an Achilles and six? I don't know, because I mean, he's number one pick. Like, he's going to be that level of player. He's one of the best prospects in a long time. I wouldn't be shocked if he's a top ten player in the world. I wouldn't either. In your five, that one shocked me at. all. He's going to be a dominant defender. He's going to be kind of like Tatum in which he can play on off ball, play with anybody, make everybody better. I don't think he'll have the, actually, I'm going to say I don't think. I'm not guaranteeing he has the on ball capabilities that Tatum developed, but I also think he'll be a better defender. He has more size. Like, I would put Tatum here for sure if he didn't tear his Achilles just now. And that's such a big question mark that five years from now, who knows that affects his aging curve. So to be safe, I will go Janus at six.

Okay, what a good cop out That's a great cop out Yeah But I said the Flagg thing to say I'm starting to entertain that The three names was Janus Flagg Tatum to me Because five years is a long time

You can't just do the players They're best today One of these players And so undoubtedly not even being in the league right now Yeah So like pretty soon the young guys The first six players are like in the league right now That's what I'm saying

That's what I'm saying Pretty soon Flag has to enter the conversation Some young guys like Moby At the end of the conversation So someone's gonna sprout up One of these guys Yeah and I think Cooper Flag

is a pretty safe bet to be the guy to jump up. Sure. Okay. I should have been flag of six. But I'll go Yannis. I'll say Yonis will take a step back, but he'll still be a dominant player. Yeah, I think 35-year-old Yonis should still be a demon not to like top two, three player guard.

I like this. I had him run this range too. Yeah, like Anthony Davis in Spurs in the last few years could be argued to be the sixth best player in the world. Can Yonis be that level that we saw Anthony Davis in 2024? Absolutely. Yeah. Or like Kevin Durant in 2024? Yeah.

Like he does not have the jump shooting that makes people assume he'll age poorly. I think barring injury, obviously, which is a big thing with all these guys at this age, freak athletes of this nature stay freak athletes for a long time. And he's so big and so talented that even if he does take a step back athletically and isn't quite the same, he can transition to being a Mari Stademeyer and be a pick and roll guy and finally embrace being a big man. Like, he has a lot of ways to provide value as he ages. Yeah. Okay.

I don't feel terribly bad about that. Now 36 and onwards, maybe I'll start getting questions, but 35 years old, I think I'll still have it. All right. A seven, Chair Holmgren. Oh, wow. No way. That's a good first surprise. Chair Holmgren.

Chair Holmgren is going to be 28 years old in five years. Yeah. Chair Holmgren just signed the extension. He got his money. He's a champion. We already know what he was able to provide for this team. We're having a broken hip, barely having any type of like real time to rehab and come back. And we're still so impactful defensively.

As he gets older, he gets more. muscle on him he gets he gets more comfortable in his body at an NBA level his offense develops that is a top 10 player in the world and I do think that him and Shay like those two guys I I don't want to say it because it's very like it's very doom and gloom one of the one of those three is going to have to go it's not going to be Chet and it's not going to be Shay they're not going to go I'm not going to happen I don't know Chet's going to be the one that's ascending yeah this is putting a lot of faith in his development which I also have feel good about but it's not crazy

Honestly, it's a three-point shot comes along and gets back to what we saw Gonzaga, back to what we saw as a rookie, and he can once again shoot at a high level. Being fucking Rudy Goberance three-point shot gets you pretty close to top ten. So if you make any leap with the ball in his hands, any leap strength-wise as a play finisher, gets back to the trajectory he was on in his first year, this is not ridiculous at all. That hip is scary to me, man. It's so, so, so scary. But I will say, I'll put Cooper flag above him.

I feel good about that bit. Yeah. Okay. So at number eight. Ooh, I realized this is my last selection. fuck god damn it you know there's going to be some some surprises chet was the first one i'm going to go in and have to go ahead and have the second one someone who's very underrated someone who could blossom someone who will be also i think chet's going to be like 27 years old um five years from now

this guy's going to be 28 years old jalen johnson you were going to be a top 10 motherfucking player in 2030 bro congratulations this is something that no one's going to see coming he's going to develop that in-between game he's going to be one of the better defenders in the league he's going to be one of the best playmakers in his position too he's already averaging like bro raw 2010 and five already he didn't even develop shit yet that in-between game is coming have you seen those off-season videos come on now there's someone's going to bloom and blossom you thought it was going to be chet i'm saying it's going to be jailing donson this guy yeah this guy here hammer hammers is not enough for you chain saws machetes someone's gonna take a leap and he's a great ballistic missiles 2008 bitcoin is what i call jalen johnson brass knuckles to the skull right now this is ridiculous but it's your pick yeah yeah yeah yeah five years or now we're gonna come back i'm gonna tarry for the lines god damn that sounds painful this is ridiculous

I would think Cooper flag won that will be a top 10 player in the world. We better go Jason Tatum at 10. All right. It's in your hands. We'll go, we'll go Tatum. We'll go Tatum. I think it does feel disrespectful. I did have the only other pick that I had where I was kind of on the fence.

In some way that I wanted to get into this list, but freaking Jalen Johnson took this spot. Mowley? Yeah. Yeah. Mowley for sure should be on here too. But we got Jailen fucking Johnson. brother. That's who I wanted, but then this guy wants to. Jalen Johnson is a great player, but he's a great fucking bet.

Will drop kick him in the face in five years. He's going to be much better than him. All right. We'll see. We'll see about that. Yeah, Mowgli's number 11 for sure. Moby will be in this level. Him and Chet will be side by side for a long time, I think. They'll do it differently, but I think those are both going to be the two of the best, the two best defenders outside of Wemby and two of the better two-way digs in the league. You think Jalen Johnson is going to be better than Palo in five years? He very well could be.

no i know could be you put him at eight is he you're saying he's gonna be better than palo in 10 years yeah all right you don't believe that he's already he's a better playmaker that was the least inspiring yeah of all time better playmaker he under when he comes to his role he don't try to explain it now when you didn't believe it the defense is already much better as well stop hey man you don't believe that 2008 bitcoin bro they didn't believe back then either and look at them now come on now I'm trying to be a seer and talk to you guys into the future. You just don't have the fucking vision. That's not wrong with you people these days, bro.

I got a... Shut up, something Jack put me on to. I'm going to use it for you. Four horses, four limbs, running in four different directions. That's what we got to do. That's what we got to you. Well, there is this basketball.

We don't have to take it to those... No, man, you have to send us to death for that. The electric chair is too humane. Yeah. What the hell? That's crazy. I'll give you credit because there is... going to be somebody that jumps up that we

don't see. Exactly. There's going to be somebody. However, it is shameless for you to say it's Jaylin Johnson. No, it's not. He averaged 25, 10, and 5 off of doing nothing. Where are you pulling numbers from? 25. 20, 10, and 5. He's not LeBron.

Damn near it is, bro. I've been saying, you. He's up the hell. 25, 10, and 5. He made that shit up. Yeah, he's up to hell. Bro, watch him average 2410 in a while next year. I didn't look at no stats. That's an Alzheimer.

Oh, it's true. There was a rumor that Najee Harris suffered an eye injury on Fourth of July that people were like, oh, it's just Twitter. It happened. He really did get eye injury. Oh, he can't see. It's expected to be ready for 2025,

but he did take a firework to the eye. He got that, that, that, the JPP. Worst. He's going to be out here running like this. That's crazy. Did no vision. Firework to the eye. I don't know exactly what happened with you.

All right. So that is our top 10 players list from five years from now. Can you imagine having a helmet with an iPad on? Brother. I don't think it's that serious. That's crazy. The blood side.

Nah, he's fucked. You're getting wrought. Oh, my God. That's gruesome, man. Next thing we're going to do. Hell, man. You know, we just talked about five years from now. We're halfway through the 2020s, if y'all don't realize that.

Which is kind of crazy. Damn. We are going to put the best players of the 2020s into a tier list. We did this for the 2010s for the 1990s in the 2000s. So we're only halfway through, so the stories aren't written. But thus far through six seasons, counting 2020 to 2025, who were the best players, S through F, where we rank in these guys? Okay.

Let's start with, it's an easy one, Luca Donchich. Actually, no, it's not easy. We start with the hard one. Luca Donutschitz. I think he probably belongs in A tier. Yeah, made of finals. Yeah, made of finals. Hasn't reached the tippity, tippy top of the NBA when he comes to winning an MVP or, like,

winning the finals. But he is just like a major achievement in NBA history away from making S-tier. I think to be S-tier, you have to have either won an MVP or won a championship or maybe even both. So I don't, A is the most you can be. To have all of the first team, all NBA's to walk in, like the pace that he's on, even if he doesn't like, because he might end up being, I don't know, whatever like all-time great doesn't have a rating.

No. Like, like, like, like, like a top 30 player. Yeah, like if he's like Charles Barkley or whatever. Yeah. Charles Barkley in the 90s is still an S-tier type of player. Granted, he did win the MVP, but to make a Western Conference finals of finals and have all these like consecutive runs, he is a defining player of the 2020. He is, but I think that's, again, we always stack these tiers too hard to the top.

And I think there is players that have all those same things, but they have the hardware. So I feel safe putting him the best player in A tier, which isn't exactly an insult, you know? Just because, you know what? because Nicole Yokic, that's an Nesir player. Everything you said about Luca Donchich is the same exact thing, but he has three MVPs in the decade and one championship. That deserves to be in a different tier when they're

the two best offensive players of their generation, but one has finished the job. Yeah. It has to be some level of gap. Let's get this out the way then. Where are we put it in and be then? Because I think that that's one I think that's one of the more interesting. Okay, so he has the individual accomplishment

that Luca doesn't. He has the MVP, but he didn't make the finals, which Luca has, which I suppose you can view on equal levels. Like a championship is better than MVP, but maybe a finals appearance and an MVP are like similar when you're the guy. I don't know.

TLDR, I think it'd be this, obviously a tier. Okay, I think you should be a tier as well. Okay, I didn't know if you were going to put him in this tier. No,

because I think S-tier we should be very, very precious. Yeah, you are one of the ones. You damn or need a chip to be S-tier to me in this tier list. Mostly because...

Everybody got one. Or at least... Mostly because you compared to the 90s with Charles Barkley, there was just way less people with chips back then because the bulls were kicking everybody's teeth in here there's a handful of guys that actually got it done because there wasn't that dynasty to block people

so I feel like not hard and fast maybe we'll see an outlier but I almost feel like you have to have a chip to get us here okay let's move around a little bit these are all superstar players and we had to put somebody in F I feel Trey Young is on this list is Trey young F tier he has to be

okay if we're getting easy Fs here it's it's Trey another one is Zion Williamson is on his list he's even a louder F tier. Yeah, these are guys... Zon needs to be the face F F tier. Let's just fill out F tier, too. Put Jambore in there.

Okay. Yeah. Three F tiers right away. Oh, now's good. Let's move towards the middle. Kevin Durant. Let's get to one of the olds. There's a few of the ones here that,

you know, they're legends. They had multiple years at their peak, not at their peak, but at a level in which they're one the best players in the world, relatively close to their peak, but in Kevin Durant's case, didn't make a finals in the 2020s.

Yeah, didn't make the finals. Didn't win no main awards. Has he made the conference? Finals? Yeah, in 2021 with the Brooklyn Nets. No, that was second round. Yeah. Oh, that was the second round.

He hasn't been to the conference finals. He has not won an MVP. He missed, he missed all of 2020 with the several first round flameouts. He got swept before. In 22, he got swept. Then, yeah, because 21st year, didn't he get swept? He doesn't have a single first team all NBA in this decade. He has two second team all-MBIs.

He's been swept twice. He missed the season. So clearly he's not eight-tier. is what we're saying. But he is Kevin fucking Durant. Yeah. Beatier, right?

I don't know. It might be an anomaly. I think it has to be seen. I don't think that there's anything you can look at in terms of,

like obviously the greatness is still there. But like you said, everybody on this list is great. Well, 2021 people were saying he's the best player

in the world. He was of that caliber still. So that's not, that's not nothing. He was like, you get bouncing in the second round.

Yeah, but that was because he fucking died. I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's his fault. I'm just saying that one you haven't been to a conference finals that's the year where he would have made the finals

if those two players didn't die that the best team the NBA and if his foot was on the fucking line it's a lot of hypotheticals not really it's really not a lie it's really just like if you're two star players and get hurt it's exactly one hypothetical it's pretty simple to say he deserves to be considered one of the

two best players in the world he's hypothetical for Kyrie and for Harding multiple hypotheticals great I think he's firmly beat here yeah firmly B tier A tier you need to have to hate enough for me man why would I feel the need to hate on Kevin Durantz. I don't have it in...

There's a better C-tier player, for sure. Yeah, there's more appropriate players to spread this out a little more. No, man. Coahe Leonard. He could be... I wasn't say C-tier. I feel like that's what we...

The way you were describing Kevin Durant of not being available and not being consistent in the decade and being underwhelming despite the talent. That's Coahe-Lennard. That to me is like the perfect C-tier where he's talented enough, especially early the decade. 2020, 2020, 2021, those first two years, different.

He was incredible. Maybe the best version you've seen of him counting 2019. His passing took a step when he got to the Clippers. truly one of the most well-rounded players of all time I felt like I was watching a second version of Braun some nights but obviously past three years those nights are very few and far between

yeah exactly that's why he's like at his peak was like damn here the same as Kevin Grant this decade but was not nearly available enough not especially the last few years where obviously he was damn near a non-factor a lot of the year yeah I almost want to put him in D tier because like the non-availability

and the how he's been going out with these injuries whether it be The injuries are what happened in the bubble, get embarrassed. We know, actually, you know, he, he ended up winning that series against the Dallas Mavericks. In the bubble, yeah. They lost to the Nuggets. Yeah. Do you remember how they lost it in Nuggets?

3-1 lead. Thank you. They blew a 3-1 lead in the bubble. He missed a full year. He played 37 games this year. In 2021, he had his best regular season and missed the playoffs. Yeah. And Paul George took the team to the conference finals.

Put that in detail. And then a bunch of nothing burgers. I just think there's going to be players on this list that are significantly... peaks significantly lower and also didn't accomplish anything that will go to detere another player in detail i see him right now but are you so are you guys on detere my outvoted we can put him in detere but he can be movable not stand on it we're not moving anybody where is he going it's detere oh man if i can't move i feel better about him being in c tier than d tier so i'll do c tier i don't have i know i know greek to you i know a d tier player when i see

And he's looking at me right now. Oh, here's the thing. Paul George is on this list. D. Slide into D? Dammear could be a F. They've been on the same team for like five years.

Like I was a better player. So they're a tier of break. Like who I wasn't there either. What is your point? You think Paul George's worse? You've always thought Paul George's worse. Their abilities matter here. It's not just resume.

I think that in NBA terms, I think that they're thing one and thing two in terms of underperforming. Who's number one and who's number two? Both of them. They're in tandem. Put them in D tier. No, no.

They've been on the same team. For five of the six years, they both have done all this. You're yelling really loud. You're going to have it. No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't put him in detail. Kauai's, there's a gap, bro.

There's a reason why the six. What do you mean there's a gap? He's missed like a year and a half. He's missed multiple years. And he comes back that guy every single time. Paul George is Paul George. What, there's nothing historic or anything. He doesn't look like the best crime or any given night.

The only time the Clippers have ever been to the conference finals is because Paul George is like, yeah, I'm actually going to do it this time. And I'm going to be the one that's doing it. Paul did something by himself that him and Kauai could not do together. If you want to do anything, Paul's the one who gets in C. Not Kauai. Paul, you're in D. No. I see what you're saying.

I see you're not wrong from the resume perspective, but we need to account for how good they are as players. Yeah. It's not just an accomplishment to your list. We also are gauging how good we think they are. You also work there. Like, I've had to see you wrap up for like 30% of the time in the decade. That's why he's seat here. If that wasn't the case, he'd be eight years.

He was ramping up for 30% of the decade. He was hurt for the other 30%. He's only played like 40%. And we've deemed him several tiers for it. And that 40% is different, bro. That 40% is more than 40%. You were moved by that 21 points a game, huh? His resume is in terms of being great for the first two years.

And then kind of going downwards is very similar to KD's. We're dinging him a tier because he is not available in the backhouse. They have been a disappointment to the league since they got together. And the entire era of both of them has been, you guys are like severely under- Do you want to give this to him? He really wants it. No, go ahead.

You're fucking up the list. And you know what? Go ahead. It's going to be on your head. No, it's on your hands. Stay with what you are. Hold on. The only reason I'm thinking about giving to you is that I do kind of feel like Paul

George might be F tier and now I'm thinking about it. Why is he different from Trey Young? They both pay one conference finals. and didn't really, they weren't consistent superstars or anything. That's that real. Hey.

No, no, no, no, because Paul George's different caliber, obviously. Not who is. You get in that lab, but you hate. You never thought, unplug a goddamn,

not once you ever thought Paul George is, bro, you don't think he's a worse player than Trey. You don't think like that. What happened to your, what happened to your ethics philosophy?

I think in 2020 and 2020, he was definitely better. 2022. Paul George is, quite as has kept been going downhill for a couple of years now, So it's closer than you think

But whatever We'll keep it as it We'll keep it moving We're standing too much time on this Yannis, you are S-tier You are a champion You are an MVP Oh yeah, go ahead

Easy He got that easy He got that easy He got that You are S-tier You are a champion You are one of the best players In the world

You are second place MVP You won your most impressive Ring in this decade We don't got to talk about The last two years But you are still S-tier My light skin go Go ahead

Put the bottom of S-tier You're the bottom of S-tier You're the bottom of S-tier LeBron Put the other light skin in this Who's the other light skin? Oh, yeah, Jason Tatum, a lot of first team all-N-BAs, a champion. It doesn't have the MVP, but that's fine because the team player.

But there's a level of talent in my mind where I'm just like, these are all-time greats we're talking about here. Tatum is an all-time great. I know what you're getting at because the top two guys are MVP's and Curry is fucking Steph Curry. Tatum is an all-time great in his own regard. He is, he has all-time great resume, but when it comes to the actual talent, I'm looking at. No, I think he's still not. It's like two finals appearances. a chip and what four four or five first team all NBA you consider him like the fifth best

player in the world and it's always and it's always unanimous whenever he's first team like we never question at all and we do have the balance abilities and resume his resume is god damn perfect we had to give it to him I don't know man he doesn't feel right putting him in his own putting me on every every single year when we do the exercise it's always oh yeah Tatum he's not one or two but he's one of he's always one you know what this is interesting because Luca's A. Do we feel like Luca's better

and Tatum is more accomplished but only slightly because he won the series and Luca lost it. So that matters a lot obviously but that's the one difference is that one series and like making the finals

is still impressive and Luca has that they might be even actually. Yeah if they were both to retire today if they're both to retire today you're not saying that Luca Donch is a worst player

than Tatum. Those two finals runs are better than Luca's finals and conference finals by like one notch or whatever yeah. The gap in talent might be better.

look it might be a bigger gap and better player than that you know the guy has a ring like i i think it would be okay and also like yes the celtics they did underperform for a long time they were also in the conference finals basically every i think s doesn't get too big though now i'm not i'm forecasting it like right there's like one of the player that we're going to put in this tier okay so shay is s tier he definitely belongs to be s tier he's third three straight first team all NBA's MVP championship combination he's third on this list might be second if you're you want to change it up, but we'll give the two all-time great bigs ahead of him.

LeBron James. He's S-Teree also. One championship in 2020, the first year. And... Yeah, like, if you win a chip, right? And, like, the only player that you would feel bad about doing is Tatum. But, like, again, Tatum has the first team all NBA is that LeBron. LeBron had two years at least where he's the best player in the world.

or in the conversation because obviously Janus and Yokic were elevating. LeBron was just as good in 2020 and just as good in 2021. So at least two years of being best player in the world caliber also has a ring, also has first team all NBA's. I feel like Tatum is closer to Luca than he is LeBron. I agree. Now that I'm thinking about it. There's a gap.

There's a gap. Estier's getting too big. There's a gap. We're not being nearly, nearly difficult enough with passing these around. Yeah, I think Tatum has to drop down. That's beautiful. It has to drop it. Both feel wrong to me.

I feel like Tadam is his own. Let's get Tatum his own tier. Oh, wrong one. Oh, I'm pressing the wrong buttons. Oh my God, what did I just do? Tatum his own tear. We just didn't even fucking, there's nothing wrong with being A tier.

You're right. It's not disrespectful. He's above Luca. He's more accomplished. That's fair. That's okay to me. The guys on the top are some of the greatest players of all time. They define this era. You know what?

They all either have an MVP or a finals MVP. Exactly. So they have team success and individual success. Does Tatum have either of those? No. And then Joellen B is over there Keep in mind, I don't go a flak about finals. That's what I was about to say.

Anthony Davis. A tier. B tier? Probably B. Yeah, I mean, Joel and B's an MVP. Tatum can't be in the same team. I mean, Anthony Davis can't be in the same tier as Joe Bid. Yeah.

So he's B? Yeah. He also has a championship, but his second best player. Yeah. And, oh, he was debatable with the first best player. He does our championship. I forgot. He's not in the same tier.

You're right. You're right. He's the best player in B2 for sure. He's the lowest ranked champion on here So we'll give him the second best player tax Because he did have LeB But I could be argued to go A tier Nah, I feel okay with him at B

Yeah, it's fine But it's close It's close Let's save A tier. It's close Devin Booker made the finals Past few years have been a goddamn disaster Because James Jones built the most nonsensical team Ever around him made him a point guard

But did have a finals run as a best player D or C, what's all feeling? I'm not going D C's okay with me too but I mean there's been like a whole lot of nothing going on for the rest of years. He had one singular like great year

in 2020 like that's when the Feeding Sons went on a run. That's when they weren't on shit. And 2021 obviously went ahead and did their big one. 2022 humongous disappointment that their backs bone out. He did his big one.

Love Island, this guy. I don't forget though. The first year they got Kevin Durant, his booker had a ridiculous four games against a team bulls he was not is that your first time hearing that terminology of the outside of no from you it's it's just funny that's funny but they do spam it on love island though they love that phrase that's there's a few phrases they spam damy lillard listen man it's been a rough it's all individual talent here yeah all individual talent which like d thank you is it yeah yeah

these are all great players so it's not exactly disrespectful you're on the list at all gotta be d didn't there's no team accomplishments to be spoken of not really his fault he was on a terrible team got the fuck as he did he could have requested a trade a long time ago sure whatever i'm not going to ding him for that but he was a terrible team and then he got to a good team and it didn't work you know in the player movement error it's really like running from the grind if you don't request the trade jimmy butler made two finals but obviously isn't the same caliber as the top eight guys here but is close behind it you put him at the bottom of b tier yeah i was going to say i think him making two finals is similar to anthony davis winning one so b tier makes sense yeah okay

we'll put him in between actually he'll go bottom Katie's Katie Donovan Mitchell first team all NBA this year has been consistently a top 15 player in the league why are you laughing

because he's on in B time then he hasn't got out the second round yeah so a C tier and he's a much weird much worse talent too he's like just he and Devin Booker

very similar talent wise but Devin Booker made a final finals I'm saying D tier D tier's fair enough yeah he's above the guys in F tier because he's accomplished something and just has

more individual success in them but that makes sense Anthony Edwards Two conference finals Perfect seat here if you ask me Constantly elevated this game Two conference finals We think he's elevated to be better than Devin Booker now

And he's in these conference finals too Like no one Their entire playoff path Like they've always consistently been The underdog No matter what And so seeing him and making these improvements Through his game

upsetting guys like KD LeBron Devin Booker Lucas and shit like that No, Quaylor has to go down You think so? Yeah, Anthony Edwards is a C-Tier. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.

Quay has go down. Hold on. Why so? Anthony Edwards, let's look at Anthony Edwards next to him and say, do you feel like they have been equally accomplished in this era?

Coi Leonard was just as good. Quilander was also top-five player in the world for those two years. Anthony Edwards has a couple of years top-five player in the world. Lame at Mike. Never mind. Never mind.

He's back to C-Tere. You already said it on the camera. It's already there. Proofing to put in the screen shot. I'm vindicated through here and we had an argument. Actually, I'll put it in the bottom of the C tier. That's what I feel good about.

I was stuck up on Anthony Edwards. He needs to be below aunt. So I'll put in the bottom of C tier. That's actually how I feel. Hmm. No, that's a lot of vindication. Maybe he should be the action. Hey, hey, shut the fuck up right now.

Yeah, exactly. Stop it right now. I got what I needed already. I just needed the reaction. Stop it right now. Exactly. Honestly, I think this is a perfect tier list. I don't have any notes.

I love that we moved off from being obsessed with Tatum at S. That's a hater I'm not a hater I just know where he belongs I just think it would have been It would have been weird to have Sorry

What you what It would have been weird To have six guys in S tier And two and A tier Like surely there's a difference Between the peak guys And all five guys on the top At one point were the best player

In the world Tadon never was that Bare minimum like top two player In the world Without a doubt And Tatum's always been like Four or five Yeah and there is value to that

That's why he's the top of A tier but I think between S and A choosing the skill matters can be said about someone that Luca don't just too no one's ever called him the best player in the world undisputedly he's always like

three four or five oh yeah also Luca is behind Embede because he doesn't have an MVP yet oh no he's the finals yeah he went to the finals yeah and he didn't have the last year actually they both kind of had bad last year even though we think Embed's is more detrimental

it's not like he had a great year yeah okay next thing we're going to do Donovan I believe you have a little trivia for us Yes, I do. I want to see if you guys can guess the top 10 scores in the Western Conference total points, not just points per game. That's a lot harder.

I have a lot of points for game memorized. Like obviously I know it's Shay average number one clearly, but like total points outside of Shay being one. I don't know anything. You know what? This is your favorite saying. This is the War of Attrition, who is the victorious of that? That's my favorite saying?

Yeah. Okay. I love your favorite saying. So we're doing Western Conference first? West and Congress. Are we doing both though, right? we're doing both conferences of yeah okay we'll go west though so obviously number one we got she shay's easy that's the clear one of course you don't even got to confirm it of course i know what

i'm revealing behind this card uh top five has to be Nicole yokech somewhere of course yeah where's yeah where's he at number three okay okay any statistical category yoke's he's got to i assume is curry still top 10 even though he's the slow start yeah well yeah where is he like eight number seven seven okay and i assume lebron is also there he's pretty available Yes. Now, guess where LeBron's at? Five. Probably one above Steph Curry. He's number six? He's number nine.

Oh. Okay. Damn. I guess he did miss a little bit. How much time did he miss? I don't remember. LeBron? How many games he played 70 games this year? Yeah, well, you're missing 12 games. I'll do it. That makes sense. Okay. And second I've played what we would go.

Well, listen, different calibers at this point, but Yokin's played 70 games as well. Well, him. Yeah, Yokich didn't average 30, right. Okay, so number two, we're missing. Oh, Anthony Edwards is somewhere here. He must be four or five. Probably two. He's number two.

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Mr. Available, like he does not get hurt. There you go. I've seen so many times he hurts his ankle, jumps right back up. I thought he tore his ACL twice in the playoffs. Neither time was a big deal. He came back immediately both times. Top, thinking of the top teams, top scores.

There's nobody on the Nuggets. Kevin Durant. Number 10. Damn. Barely got on there. Okay. Who on there now? the other point guards

are in the east we got Curry did Lucas somehow make it no right no no no chance think about guys who are just available for their teams

Norman Powell neither those guys no Norman Powell no San Guz fuck is wrong with us I'm just thinking because the rockets are so high that like

they're a team and they're pretty healthy there is Jaylan Green on this fucking loose Jaylan Green's on this list Jaylan Green is on this list at number six

he is healthy and available. Jaylon Green played all 82 games this year. Yeah, I knew he was healthy. So that makes sense. He got Nerf, man. He averaged 20 for 82 games.

The math is in your favor. Okay, now we're cooked. Is there a king on there? You think DeRosen was healthy, but he didn't average very much. Wait. Is DeRosen on this? He still played every.

DeMartoroson is on his list. He's healthy as hell. One thing about DeMar, he's going to show up every day for worse. 77 games played from DeMard Rosen. Think about the Ironman. Yeah. Anthony Davis got hurt.

All right, four, five. Four and five. These have to be stars. Elite scores, yeah. Who else is the top of the Western Conference? Kat's gone. There's nobody else in Timberwell.

Julie's Randall? No. Okay. I was like, I had to make sure. No. Okay. So,

Jada's not going to be on there. Nobody else on the Rockets. Nobody else on. Let's start thinking about. Did James Hardin make this list? Think about regular season. Demand. James Hardin.

Yeah. What? Number five. That makes sense. Did he play like all 80? He played a lot. James Hardin played 79 games last year. Bro.

But he average like, number four is, Devin Booker. 75 games, Devin Booker. Yeah, number four had to be Devin Booker. Okay. Okay. Shout out Jalen Green.

I'm so shocked about James Harden, bro. And Jalen Groot, of course. Damn, okay. Now, Eastern Conference, this one is going to be harder. This is much less superstar talents of top. Okay. Eastern Conference, obviously, Yonis is on there. Of course, number one.

Yonis is one. Obviously, Jason Tatenam is on there. Number two, Jason Taylor Mitchell is on there. Number seven, D. DeMitch. Jalen Brunson, got to be there, too. Number eight, Jaylonon Brunson. Well, D-Mitch is seven and eight

D-Mitch is seven, Brunton is eight, I thought they'd both be hard than that. Yep. I mean, so Brunson played 65 games. Oh, true, too, the ankle. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you, oh. Yeah, we thought they were cooking

and turned the ankle. I looked bad. Yeah. Okay, so. I mean, he turned his ankle every game in the playoffs. Fats. Yeah. It's Trey Young on there.

Tray Young. Number three. Damn. Talk about availability. Third highest score. Trey Young played 76 games. God. Damn.

Bad calf, too. Lookie. This is probably a bad pool. Is Iqam like 10? Pascal Seacom is nine Look at that I thought it was a buck I was about to get on your ass

Carnity Towns 10 Carnity Towns is actually six Okay So we got six seven, eight, nine And then we got So left you guys need Four, five and ten Four or five and ten

Seaccom was nine So right below that Oh no, never mind I was about to say Paulo But he missed way too many games Yeah way too many games What are the Kate Cunningham Kate Cunningham is five

Okay Mr. Available Engine Okay Who we have left? Harry Saliburton? Tyler Hero. Number four. Fuck, bro.

Number four. All-star season. I forgot about him. Now we just need number 10. Number 10. I thought there's one more in the first half. Okay. Just number 10.

Right below Siakum. Ooh. Nobody on the Bulls. I hope not. Again, bucket, like they can get buckets, but you don't think of them as a bucket. But they can't get buckets. But they can get buckets. Okay.

Bam, out of bio. No. Bam. not that far Jalen Brown No he got hurt Jaylon Brown Payton Pritchard

No Evan Mowley Darius Garland Yep Oh okay There we go Dary's Garland is number That's where you fucked up

You misled me I think of Darrys Garner as a bucket I certainly think of Darlin Playmaker No, I think of him as snatchbacks Okay Step back threes That's what I think of what Garland is

We kind of went crazy When it comes to this We ate Yay Next thing we're going to do. You two are going to do.

Love. I'm talking about in this guy got introduced some bad culture. Congratulations. A little black brain rot.

You don't know. The city I grew up. It's 2025, buddy. Yeah. Okay. Next thing. We're going to do Keep 4 Cut 4 with six man of the year

winners. Okay. So, you know, the only categories these players want six man of the year you guys know how it works i'm gonna name eight of them you got to keep four and cut four first off james hardin i mean obviously this six men of the year just based on their bench role right yeah them in that them in that season let's keep them do you want to i feel like there's there's a lot more notable even there's four better six men than

twenty twelve james hardin probably finals team yeah we can get there i mean i don't know those year after I'd rather keep James Arden. Okay. We'll keep James. Okay. Next one. J.R. Smith. Why is he looking at me like that?

Stop giving me intense eye contact. What do you want to do? I don't want to cut him. I understand that year was so dear to your heart. You don't have nothing to grasp on as a Knicks fan at that point in time. Very depressing year. But we. might have to cut him.

We're talking about, like, all the time, great six men, and he ain't that. He got to get cut. Yo, man. You never think about... Cut his Michael. We're keeping J.R.

No, we got to... We got to cut him. What? Are you stupid? Like, you know, man, we're keeping J.R. I understand. Are you dumb? Listen, I understand.

I understand. But he got to get cut. What are we doing here? You know, you let me have Hardin. you can keep him you can keep jr smith we got to keep the civil one now keeping jarrsman is hilarious Tyler hero he was like that we're gonna cut him you'd rather keep jair smith and tally hero come on man

you come on man at this point you've already used two spots so i guess you gotta cut him we gotta cut tyler here it's but do you see why jr smith is problematic problematic is a terrible word in this setting keep cut jr smith versus tyler hero if you don't believe that if you don't like seeing men fly say that. I love that. Come on, man.

We have to cut Hero, but it's not right. I don't even know if it was the right year. You don't like it. I love it. If you don't like that, just say that.

It's whatever. New York basketball. It's whatever. That bag work was different. He was a dog. He was. But we have to cut him, though, because you added J.R.

Smith to this. We look crazy. I would much rather have J.R. Smith and Montres Harold. But he was very fun, though. I do. I thank you for your service. he was unsustainable he had we have to cut him we'd have to cut him okay manchrist harold goodbye

payton britchard oh he was hooping this year we gotta gotta keep him he was ridiculously efficient he's probably better than jasmine a lot of them are god damn he's the worst player here so far legitimate no he's not name worst name listed yes worse name easily what are we talking about right now he wanted to keep him fucking on my list man it's actually confirmed

you're an idiot you're actually a dummy this is fucking ridiculous you made us the worst player here oh my god it's actually confirmed

it's like boring names and you're like yeah jasmine this is the word shut up we'll keep paying Pritchin we both agree on paying Pritch we'll keep him we do I'm just mad that Jar's there Okay.

Nas Reid. Cut Nasreed. Sure. He's not even like, it was cool. Yeah, he's not worth the last spot. It was cool. Most of that I don't feel like I'm going to control of this list. I'm not, bro.

This is not on my list, no more. Del Curry. See you. You can cut. Yeah, we can cut, Del. And last but not least, we got Lamar Odom. Oh, yeah. Old school.

Like that. Slam cover. Old school bucket. it deserved. J.R. Smith is not deserved. You really think Tyler Heard, like, Smith is better than T. Hero? Like, you actually think that.

Yes. Tested for TTE tomorrow. Me, me in the lab, 8 a.m. You can't even say CTE properly. You're getting tested. You're getting tested. You're getting tested. TTE. You're getting tested. Check his tweets.

And with that be saying, you get tested. And with that be said, that's in this episode. Let me look at it. his stats. If you're still here, tell me who's better. J.R. Smith or Tyler Hill? Don't even look at the stats. No! This time I'm looking at stats. Go watch the game. I know I said I don't look at stats, but this time I'm not looking at stats. All right, pull up Tyler Hero stats. I'm pull up Taylor Hero stats. All right. Let's say less. Say let's all us. I got you.

J.R. Smith. No, I'm doing J.R. Smith. In 2013, J.R. Smith, six man of the year, 33 minutes for games. So damn your starting minutes. 18 points. 5.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists. When did Tyler? 28% affected football percentage. 21, 22. 21, 22, Tala Hero, 20 points per game. Oh, five rebounds forces.

Oh, better than every way. Better stats. Oh, shit. All around. Oh. Yeah, and an inflated era. You got it. God, damn it.

Oh, my, oh, my God. Never in your life. Did you watch Tala Hero play basketball over until this last year? It was like, that's a good play. We've dogged for like four years. You had nothing going on back then, well, I understand. Half a decade now. And for the next decade, I will too.

for the rest of my life. So you've been a buzs and he said. For half a decade, you haven't liked it. It's 2020. I will forever be a Tyler Hero hater. I don't care, no matter what.

He, that is a Jimmy Butler stat. I don't, I don't play. If you're still here, comment who's better, J.R. Smith or Tyler Hero.

And with that being said, we'll see y'all next episode. Check out House Call episode two. Tier listing every NFL quarterback. We're back. We'll see y'all next week. This guy got to the line three. time the game. No, dog, weak, weak frame.