The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Point Guard In The NBA! | Ep. 45

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

Today we do our top 30 NBA point guard rankings, react to NBA summer league, and more! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Guys, we're officially in the dead of the off season. Free agency is basically over. Summer league's about to be over. There's basically nothing interesting going on. So I figure today's the day we're going to start with our position rankings for the year. We're going to make the thing we do every summer. We're going to do point guards through centers, do our top 30 in the league. The title says every point guard, as if we're doing like all the starters.

I lied. It's the top 30. I just wanted to make you click the video. We love lying over here, boy. Professional cappers. We're going to give you guys our top 30. point guards in the league going to next year we're going to do a brief summer league recap talk about the in-season tournament which i know donovan's a big fan of and then do a bunch of

tictox for all it's going to be good it's going to be good listen there's nothing going on we're going to hit these lists these lists are going to be made all right y'all are getting ranked to death i'm raking everything in this bitch 100% and while we ranking these go ahead and leave a like subscribe yeah go ahead five star review cross all podcast platforms and let's get do this. Check out the merch in the description. Y'all see this. Nice embroidered hoodie for you guys.

We got blue, we got green, we got black, we got all of it. Let's start with the Summer League. And obviously when I say that, we had to start with Victory Womeniana. Since that was a big storyline, obviously, how could it not be? First game he came out had not a good game. I don't know how you described it. It was a stinker, at least offensively. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Listen, he was still good. He had like five blocks. So it's like, okay, the defense is going to be fine. He couldn't buy a bucket. it then came out well listen first off everybody thought that like the world was over they everybody thought that like after after one bad game in summer league like oh yeah we got him figured out like he's a fraud like relax they're calling him booty gober i don't you see that that's crazy i've never heard that that is a top tier NBA basketball

I didn't nobody's nobody else that that's an Isaac special yeah that's crazy Yeah, man. Lots of overreactions, like you said, just for him to come out in the second game and fucking dominate and look like the number one pick that he was supposed to be. It was quite the roller coaster of NBA narratives. I love it, dude.

I love it. I think during his first game, he put up, like, what? I think he shot up, like, two to, he was like two for 13 or two for 15, something crazy like that. Yeah. It was pretty much a stinker.

And people have their people, I don't know why, but a lot of people, casuals probably, are overly attacked. to summer league and how good or bad whatever prospect is playing is like i remember a couple summer leagues ago like five years ago at this point tri young had one of the worst summer league performance i've seen in my life he literally played like julian newman average like 12 like 33 percent from the field from the field it was ridiculous but that ain't mean none like

anything whatsoever and in that same summer league kevin knox looks like a janus mixed with uh kevin than Durant Breed. Donovan, those are some of the best times as a next fan. No, I'm not. Listen, I was ready to raise a banner for how good Kevin Knox is playing. He was true. Yeah, man. Look at this tweet and the kill just pulled up. Wembe on a summer league debut.

I didn't really know what I was doing on the court, but I'm trying to learn. Trust me. Oh, my God. We could tell. I cannot believe he said that. I like it, though. So if we talk about why he played like crap, it's not surprising, right? His season just ended a few weeks ago.

His year league season went the calendar was a lot different. NBA year so he just finished playing then went on a month-long media tour with the draft and then so during that month-long media tour he's not playing he's not on the court so of course he didn't come into that first summer league game rusty plus I'm sure he had the yips because it was the first sold-out summer league game ever so there's got to be crazy nerves there really the first one ever in the history of the summer league isn't that nuts we should have been there that didn't ever was sick no this is the first one to ever sell out that big ass arena wow that's so sick okay yeah So it's not that shocking.

He had a poor first game, you know, and the fact that he bounced back in the second game was even less shocking. But it's all, what else is always shocking is the fact that a lot of idiots had to get their take off that, I told you, he told you he was a fraud,

I told you he wasn't better than LeBron, all this crazy shit. Yeah, I told you he wasn't the best prospect ever and all this crazy stuff. Not to say that I think he is, but like, bro, Wimby is him, simple as that. And even through his bad game, everyone saw a lot of flashes.

And through those flashes, people just love to hate, bro. I get it. I understand, but I'm not to the degree of hater that a lot of you guys listening and watching his podcasts are. People were raving about this. I think he was driving down the lane after a, it was a fast breakway. And he did a dribble move, open court. He had a teammate to the left of him, and he attempted some fancy pass for someone that big and that tall. it's going to be fancy

and that was highlighted clipped everywhere because it was just a beautiful past beautiful vision it was like a no look too and someone was like oh I've seen I seen Bobon go

or Bobo do that like 80 times and it was just like straight up cap yeah no you have it like shut up no you have it not true but yeah it was definitely it was funny because

you had during the game you had Doris Burke losing her mind and everything you did he hits this is a simple move and she was oh my god but so some people were annoyed by that but then you had stuff like that like you said

you have times where he blocked what was his name Kai something the guy went to UT Kai Jones he blocked Kai Jones standing up he didn't even jump he just put his hands up and blocked his ass like you saw those crazy flashes of just like raw skills with that size that you're like this is this is what I want

to see in the Summer League from this guy yeah man it's you know it's okay tell me if y'all feel this way I and I don't want this to sound like mean or dehumanizing but it probably will but like oh my god like i don't see wemby as like a person like it's very hard to see him as a person i still it's just like i don't it's still hard

for me to process that a dude is this tall right this tall this fast like he feels he doesn't feel real you know what i'm saying like yeah i know you're saying i a terrible choice of words but like he worse choice of words yeah you're right he he feels abnormal normal for an NBA court. I was a crazy. You could have just said a 2K greener player, but that's so funny. But yeah.

You're right though. He seems like a thing right. I don't know how to categorize it, you know? I tell you what it is. All women feels like is a 2K created player. Like he's max length. max speed zero weight tons of handles he's exactly what a lot of people use to spam and i think believe i believe it was like 2k 15 you know that's when the first that's when the term demigod was

firstly introduced and then we've seen like different versions of that with thorn maker and bull bull and whoever else you want to throw in that category but this is quite literally like the best version of that since we've quote unquote gone since i guess you could say kevin durant Yeah, and there is Like, just play that in a kill showing right now There's a lot of signs like this where his handle It's just like crazy But he doesn't quite finish the bucket

So you see those signs But it's not quite all put together yet And I think obviously it's Summer League Don't want to take away too much But I think this is a good representation Of what his rookie year is going to be like Where yeah, you see all the flashes But he's not quite the score yet

That people might think he's going to be Just because of his raw skills Like he's going to come into the league Being the elite finisher Like if he has a point guard to set him up he gets any type of advantage on the lane he's dunking everything he's going to pick and pop and be a crazy floor stretcher but he's not going to be creating off the dribble for himself not going to be averaging 26 points per game or anything crazy like that i think that's going to

take a while to come around yeah absolutely i agree and i think that's fair to say like saying all this stuff too should not be like to any surprise because like almost every rookie like it's going to take some time to adjust to the pace of the game the quote unquote physicality how things are called and also like the how it's widespread the floor is it's incredibly hard to play defense in this league because this made this league is now made and tailored to high impact and volume offenses so it's going to take a minute um luckily i feel like personally the best in one of the easier positions to play is probably like maybe not not a big man spot but it's definitely a hell of a lot easier to navigate than being a guard when you have so many

layers of the offense when you're the center you see everything and you should be the focal port in the defense so yeah it's going to take some time i mean maybe maybe he's already said that like that the NBA is less physical you know then and there's been a lot of guys who have come over from europe i remember like lucas saying that that's much easier to score in the NBA than it is in europe so i like yeah we're going to have a couple of those like tempered expectations but he's probably loud as phone Yeah, but, like, he's probably, he's probably going to be a little bit better than we thought. Yeah, I think it just comes down to, it's not necessarily a physicality thing.

It's more like a high-level defense thing and just like this skill set of self-creation isn't quite there yet. Like, he's a lot to refine there with his footwork and all this type of things. But he's going to walk into league, maybe being like all defense-level defender. Like, he's going to be the best defender in the NBA by year three. Bro, if you don't have to jump to block anybody, yeah. Like, you have a massive advantage. Like, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to be fine. More than fine.

He's going to be Impact Defender. Like, Evan Mobley was top three in defensive player of the year voting this year? Was it year two or was the year three? I can't remember with him. I think it's you two. Yeah, year two. Yeah. He was top three defensive player of the year voting.

That's the same type of shit. Evan, Victor's going to be on in year one. He's going to probably be like second team all NBA defense, I think. Yeah, exactly. And when it comes to talking about the generational player that he potentially could be, that's the type of stuff that like should translate so easily because being and a that elite of a defender like your first day stepping into the NBA is not normal you know who are some of like who are some bigs from the past you could say that's came into the league like as a day one impactful as defender someone I think who could be that also is like chet holgram who had a fucking fire um he had an amazing summer league so he's in that exact same vein Yeah, we're going to, the next decade of defense player of the years are going to go to Victor Wimbenyama, Chet Holmgren, and Evan Mobley. They're going to sweep this bitch for the next three or four years.

It's going to be crazy. Yeah, that is the next archetype that every gym will be feigning and just screaming for, bro. Yeah, bro. That's going to be very mold-changing. A lot of them might play four, too. A lot of the rumors are hearing around San Antonio's. They're going to have when you play like an oversized four with a big next to him to, like, you know, allow him to roam. and use his defensive playmaking

and not have to like go down the big right away listen small ball might be dead because we have these new guys coming in that are mobile and can be huge stretch the floor to do all this in the power four position while given the impact of a center on defense they're gonna change the game those three guys

that's that's an elite assessment I'll let that shit let's just transition to some other guys that were impressive during summer league I know you said Chad Holmgren was amazing he definitely looked too good for summer league he might be in the running for rookie of the year he might win that thing

I think if I was to put my vote today this is my overreacting to Summer League take Chet Holgram played like an all-star this man played like he is winning rookie of the year and it's not even close

unanimous might I say Okay relax Remed Yon is gonna be there Okay come on Come on This is a lot of Summer League What do you expect?

Okay fair enough Listen if we're talking about Overreacting the Summer League Did you see a man Thompson? Oh my goodness He's that is my He got it That is my guy

That's my favorite prospect in years Listen, he's my guy Listen, listen, a man was crazy A man was crazy Him and Scoot Henderson In the short time that they played They are the ones We're really going to be overreacting

They're the ones who are going to win Rookie of the year over Chet Over Victor Like those guys Those guys came out And they dominated from the start Like there was no There's no two for 13 games with them

There's no like waiting stuff out They're here And I'm a big fan of both of them They would sound man yeah scoot's impossible not to like scoot is awesome it's just that next prototype athletic elite guard like he's awesome yeah exactly 10 out of 10 what every or like he's like easily just the next new wave of like young stupid athletic point guard who's just likable and hell influential we so trade dame right now give scookeye i don't care what the package is let him

cook exactly i don't care if all you get is yo bitch and a first round pick take it scoot He'll make it work. Scoot's going to make it work, okay? Scoot is fantastic, bro. Yeah, he's awesome. I know Nikol's showing his tweet on screen right now with me raving over him in Thompson. I've been telling anybody who'll listen

how much how great this guy's going to be for the past month. Ever since the draft process started and I learned about him when he did at OTE. I made a video on my TikTok where I said he's going to have the athleticism of Jha be a better passer than Jha

being 6'7 and be a lockdown defender like that's just like the recipe for a super soldier rajan rondo he's going to be amazing and people in the comments were like oh better pastor than jaw get off his meat how does it taste yeah you're you're you're you're kind of riding a little bit too hard it's true though i understand it's true bro he's six foot seven lead guard with lockdown defense god why you have to dawn there you know why it's hilarious you know why i know jaws is the line right now and i think that Listen, a man, he's not going to be playing around with guns in the offseason. So, like, he's going to be there, right?

I'm not even talking about that. At least he's going to have the availability over job. Like, that's going to be fantastic. See, one thing that I'm, like, thinking of when I see, when I see how much he's cooking and just how effortless and just how fluid and everything just comes to him. And it just feels like what you saw in the basketball court, he'd been seen that 10 seconds ago. He just, like, has a time traveler in his head. And so I'm like, bro, I don't know how long you keep this man on the bench for.

Like, I know you just signed Fredman of Leet to that big ass bag for like, what, three years. So it's like, I ain't going to lie. Like, there's going to, it's going to be like real awkward when for, once Fredman of Fleet is either A, like, sitting on that bench or like starts to have his all handling duties duties, like relinquish. Well, listen, it's not going to be, it's not going to be Fred. It's going to be the other six, seven dude who just got 90 something million dollars. He's going to be the one that's on the bench. Yeah, exactly. Fred is very capable of being the off guard.

That's how he's probably succeeded the most back in the championship team playing next to Kyle Lowry. So, like, they can have a men be the point guard. Defensively, he'll guard the three, but he'll be the leader of the offense point guard-wise. Fred the two, Jalen Green, essentially the three. That's the best way to use them. They're going to have a log. They're going to have a log jam of talent. And they have those three guys that start eventually.

Tari Easton and Jabari Smith both also look like they were two good. for summer league they should probably both start and then sing good at the five so where do you put Dylan Brooks where do you put eventually Cam Whitmore like you can't start Tari and Jabari if you're going to start those if you're going to start them in like they're going to have some problems on their hands

trying to figure out who to give the most run to let's see who cooks the most it's going to be like okay but that's a problem for down the line all these guys are not going to be fantastic immediately out the gate so it's like it's it's going I promise you Houston is going to be

In the trenches this year. They're still going to be losing 50 games, right? They're going to suck. So all those guys are going to have. They're going to lose. And they're going to have all the opportunity in the world to figure out what lineups to go together because there's not going to be one dominant lineup for the Rockets. No, yeah.

I don't mean like in terms of winning games. I'm more so many in terms of development and prioritizing who's the future of your league, who your future of your team. I didn't even mention Kevin Porter, who there still is going to be a good two guard for them. Oh, no. He's out of there. He's out of there. Hey, Kevin Porter.

Kevin Porter is a good player, but he should be your shooting guard on the bench probably. But so, okay, so Cam Whitmore is going to be the other rotation to start the season. He's a rookie. That's fine. But, like, the main thing there is, they can bench Dylan Brooks. That's, they can live with that, even though they paid him. That'll be fine. The biggest concern there is Tari Isan deserves to start. He looks like a demon in Summer League, him and Jabari Smith.

And you can't start a man and Tarry Easton unless Sangun is off the bench. And Jabari Smith is your five, which is kind of weird. Ew. So it's gross. more so just like a prioritizing which your feature is going to be and giving the right amount of burn to guys who deserve development time it's not like you said it's a good problem to have but it's going to be something to figure out yeah exactly let's let's wait to let's wait to preseason because there's a whole bunch of guys who can come out here in like most saying

earlier kevin ox was out here killing it in summer league and then we get to even preseason you can't even hoop with these guys let's let's wait two months right I want to see you in an actual NBA arena and see how you can play in preseason before we come out here talking about oh you you deserve to be to be developed right now shut up no no no no you're okay you're okay is right though tarry is like that absolute demon and he's someone that a lot of teams like myself i am so jealous he's not a part of the hawks he is every bit of what we need right now as a player and the rockets have a fantastic issue but this is just like issue that all teams every elite team that you can think of that has reached that

championship contention level they've gone through their issues they've had to make tough decisions and if the rockets are trying to become a competent front office they're going to have to go through those decisions the denver nuggets went ahead and went through decisions when it came to uh arguing and battling over nikola yokic and yokech and yusuf nurkich you know it's like things like that are just naturally going to happen so yeah if they get to a point where they can start Amin Thompson, Tari Isan, and Jabari Smith together. I don't care who's around them. That is going to be a nightmare to score against.

Those three versatile defenders at 6-7, 6-9, and 6-10, that's going to be incredible as a defensive starting point. Dude, we haven't even talked about saying Goon at all either, who's been like, at least last season was like the best spot about the Houston Rockets. Yeah. Yeah, they've got a crazy promising future. I guess we should move off for Summer League. You don't want to spend too much time on it.

It's going to be a long show. But, man, it was a very impressive start for the Rockets, specifically. I think they're the biggest winners of Summer League, besides Scoot and Wemby, who we knew who'd be great. Shows and Chet, who we also knew would be great in year two in Summer League. Before we get to our top 30 list, let's talk about this in-season tournament that they officially announced. Donovan, I already know you hate it. Tell people about the end-season tournament.

okay so i actually don't hate it as much as i used to let's go but i'm very skeptical just because i just like okay so basically like you're going to have 30 teams all 30 teams are going to play they're going to be in like the the groups have already been decided and so but your groups aren't going to be like they're not restricted to just teams in your division or teams in your conference it's just like four random teams from those 30 eight teams advance and then you get into a single elimination bracket then there's a final four that's in like the middle of December or at the start of December you have your semifinals and your finals and then the the winning the winning team ends up getting well I forget the specific amount of prize money but that's

that's basically the stakes is like you're playing for just a little bit of of extra bread yeah that's dope I don't I don't love it right now just because I don't think that if money is the only incentive the guys who on the 15th you know the guys who are at the end of the bench those guys are making more than what you're making from this um that from they are making more than what you are going to make from the in season tournament yeah but it's like a fourth of their salary it's a nice bonus the ultimate goal is obviously still the larry o'brien trophy i don't right at least for right now i don't see why why would i play jason and Tatum and all these other people in this tournament for to try and like push and go for

all these things when like I'm still low managing or doing all this other stuff I also don't think that it's smart for them to like okay and this is really the part that I'm kind of like confused about why you would do it statistics will count and this is for from a tweet from woes stats will count for the league's regular season except for the championship game of the event Yeah, because every game in this is going to be part of the regular season. The only added game is a championship. So you say, why would teams care about it and why would they play hard for it? They're just regular season games.

There's nothing to change. They're just regular, regular season games. Yeah, I don't know. And that's, and that's my point. Listen, from a business perspective, I understand why the league did this. You can't go and ask ESPN, T&T, hey, give us $3 billion more than what you were giving us last time, right? You have this, like, $27, $30 billion TV deal, and then you go and ask them to to take games off the table.

I understand that, right? But my thing is, if this is basically just going to be part of the regular season, then you still have the problem that you have before, which is, hey, we have this long season, and nobody cares about games from October to December, and now we just have, like, these things where it's like, okay, we have, like, it's the in-season tournament,

but it's still the regular season, and it's not, like, enough of a distinction. I don't think they've done a great job of separating the two. Everything you said, though, there's no downside. Like, there's nothing to have an issue with. The thing is, they only add one extra game to the calendar, so nobody has to add extra games to be like, oh, why would we push ourselves for this?

Like, you don't have to. You just play four games, and these four games happen to count. All the games are going to be on the same days. So on random days in October, we're going to have fun nights as fans where this is a tournament night, so all these teams are all playing for that spot. It'll just make a random Tuesday fun. we'll get that four times

and then we'll have two teams that play one extra game that's it and that team will get this like it's the only thing that comes to this is added fun and a random bit of interest

in the middle of the season nothing has been taken off the table for anybody it's purely just adds a small element to the middle of the regular season to add a little bit of flare it doesn't fix the regular season

but it's just the ad makes it a little bit better so it's marginal improvements with zero negatives and when it comes to specific teams and players and front office thinking like why would we care about this

Of course, you have to try to make the majority happy. And I think the type of teams that would actually try to put their best foot forward towards this end season tournament are teams that are trying to figure themselves out. Like if the Indiana Pacers were to go ahead and match up with a team like the Houston Rockets who are several steps below them in terms of their process of rebuilding, that's a good ass sign of for the Houston Rockets. And if you're Houston Rockets fan, you just sparked a whole entire new level of interest. because and through this tournament that wouldn't have happened prior to this season, you know? So I think it adds another later.

It would have happened. They played them twice a year already. No, but it's going to be like a pseudo thing of like, you know what we always say a lot of young players need to play games that matter. This isn't the same thing as I playing a playoff game, but it has a little bit with them, let's try harder tonight and gets them into that mindset of like,

you know, you're playing games that matter. Like I said, like it's... What does it matter for? What are we playing for? Interest. again for for the for the for money for them for money you okay 500,000 dollars for a guy is not nothing for to go out there and do just try hard for four games of regular season we're not asking them to fucking lift mountains and making an extra 16 game playoff run like try hard a few nights and you can win half a million dollars like for lebron james it doesn't matter but for most of the league it's like oh that's a sizable amount of money it might be an eighth of my yearly salary if I got your yearly salary and say go try hard a couple times and you'll get an eighth of that a bonus you're like oh sick let me go try hard tonight like it's not nothing we'll we'll see you the idea but the idea that like and the and here's the reason that i don't think that it's like

a massive like oh this is cool now and i i i think um chris ryan he was talking to bill simmons about it and he was like all those cups right because this is adam's over is trying to make this more into like a soccerish right like a european soccer style league where you have like you have break off tournaments you have the f a cup you have like champions league and stuff like that and he's like the reason why you care about all those other cups is because you have history about it and so like this is going to be the like the inception point of that and so at least for now like this season I don't think that it's like fantastic so in the in for the next like five to 10 years I don't see this being something where it's like oh wow like the in season tournament also very underrated thing

but the the marketing for this has been terrible it's been absolutely terrible and I do you guys there's an announcement you guys are going to laugh you guys are going to laugh at me

the fact that this is called the NCAA tournament is stupid you should have had another name for this the WMBA has this entire set up but it's called the those tournament games you play for the commissioners cup or whatever You can get a lot more people behind it.

If you call it something better than just the in-season tournament, it's so bland. I can agree to that. It's so bland and it's so nothing. You know it's going to be called the Kia tournament in like a year or two. They're going to brand the shit out of this with the sponsor. Again, brandy, brand and listen, we do not get me started on the branding, but a branded name is something completely different from having an actual name of whatever.

But it's like, I see this going the same way. that people are going to treat like the Western Conference Finals MVP or the Eastern Conference Finals MVP is like okay yeah like we can have it but this doesn't do anything like I'm still not interested in what we're doing here you see what I'm saying? Yeah yeah

but then at that point if you're just like saying you're not mood it's not the best thing in the world all right that's not okay so then it's still not a negative you know people are acting like this is the worst shit in the world why the fuck are we doing this or doing too much like why why is there so much negativity who cares if you think it doesn't mean you What the best thing you're doing too much like he just bro that doesn't mean anything

you just want to complain like no negative yeah exactly it's just a want to complain type thing i like you're right donovan like no one really cares about the eastern conference at western conference player of the whatever but like it's just another layer of interest and it gets you talking and thinking about the game a little bit more and a little bit longer like people were actually sitting over here and having debates about Caleb Martin winning that Eastern Conference Award over

Jimmy Butler, you know, and it was the actual talking about it because that dude went ballistic in the Eastern Conference finals against the Boston Celtics. So it was just like another layer. It's not meant to go ahead and fix the entire issue of the regular season. It's more so an attempt to put the whipped cream

in attempt to put eventually add a cherry on top, whatever that cherry is to hopefully fix whatever issues I used to you still believe in you still believe they have. So I see no bad in this whatsoever. It's a good experiment and they should try this and this is like the best way to go ahead

and try to expand your league and also the interests and just have them be lingering a little bit more in your head. This wack and it's bland. Like just like it just doesn't do anything. I'm looking at the group right now and the kill pulled it up. East Group A has the Pacers, the 76ers,

the Cavs, the Hawks, the Pistons. Even in that group, they played those teams four times a year you know what is your ready you are ridiculous if you think if you think people are already

not tuning in to Pacer's Pistons and you think that just because you put on this in season tournament that they're going to be like oh wow now we actually have to no nobody thinks that nobody's saying it's going to be the NBA finals they're not what the fuck are you talking about they're not again and I'm not saying I'm not saying it has to be like the

straw bad ass arguments I'm not saying that it has to be the biggest TV spectacle in the world right but the but the idea that just because you throw on this little label on it and that we just like fix something there's all there's going to be there's going to be games in this tournament that do the exact same thing and and may not add anything to the regular season and so this idea that like oh yeah we're just good we're just going to like if you can have that then your tournament means nothing because you're playing the tournament for some type of stakes and it's not adding any stakes to a majority of these games

Your argument is just based on the fact that this doesn't change the world and nobody's saying it does It's marginal small amount just said I don't need it to change the world But if you if the Pacers and Pistons games those in-season tournament games are going to look marginally different than a regular Pacers picket it's group play This isn't that's group play. It's not the bracket that's before the bracket that's before the tournament You know how this works that is supposed to be marginally different Okay commissioners if you are if you are if you are You tell me what you would do.

Right now, right now, you are saying that we can just punt on, on some of the, of the group play games. Nobody said punts. You're saying, you're saying right now, I'm saying you have games in this tournament that already we know are not going to mean anything. They're already, they won't mean something. They'll mean group play. You're saying they won't mean anything from a fan perspective of caring. And I'm not saying they're not, nobody's going to care about every group play game. That's so irrelevant to the overall impact of this tournament.

The bracket is what's going to be interesting, not at the group play. part the group play part will be somewhat interesting but there's the reason those games count in regular season games because that's just the lead-up that's not supposed to be crazy what's up what would you do to go ahead and fix this and what is what is the better way to go about this to help build more a little bit more intrigued because that's the that's the entire intention with this to build a little bit more intrigue what would you do you have to add some some better stakes and so I don't know if I don't know if like the if the winning team and one of the things that would be weary of is adding is adding a stake that makes the future feel kind of like

gamified or anything so like in the like in previous years the MLB if you won the all-star game you got home field home field advantage I don't think that that is like that should like that should apply here right and so like that's where that's one of the situations where I think it feels like gamified but if it's like okay everybody everybody here you can get um if you if your team, if your team wins, at least from a front office perspective, to discourage against load management games in these games, you get an extra pick in like the supplemental job, but you're able to, you know, maneuver around the salary cap this way. At the extreme end, right, if you, if you want to be, if you want to be crazy, it'll never, it'll never happen. But like, listen,

if you win, you get a no trade clause, right? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, but like, things like that that were actually matter to to the players in order to add stakes immediately and I just don't the real issue is that the NBA season is really really long and that you kind of need to like cut down on the games but like obviously you can't do that because you have like this billion dollar thing

and so but I just don't think that this is like I don't I just think it's bland I don't think it does it I'm not in I'm not in love with it the same way that like that you guys are no we're not that's a disconnect we're not in love with it We're just like, it's not a negative. So who cares?

I just think that people complain about everything when there's no negative and they're just like, I think the positive could be bigger. It's a great argument. It's a valid. Thanks for me. Thanks for being negative for a reason. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

You are taking valid criticism and me saying, hey, you're asking me like, hey, what's your issue with this? I give you my issue. And I feel that my criticism is very valid in this sense. And it's like, oh, You're just complaining to complain. I'm not talking about just you. I'm not talking about just you.

Your point of wanting the bigger stakes is totally fine. I agree. If they could add like the winner against the 15th pick, that'd make it better. I agree. There could be a way to make it better. I'm not more so talking about you specifically, but the online backlash of like people acting like it's a stupidest shit in the world, like it's making the league worse. And the overall reception has been dramatic.

Not necessarily just your points. We'll see. We'll see how it turns out. I can't. I am. I want to see. see somebody bring me the numbers the ratings for that Pacers Pistons game and group play please let me see it that's the part where you say that stuff I'm like okay now I'm against

what you're saying oh my wizard's hornet group B that's crazy oh I can't wait for that I can't if your biggest point against it is no one's gonna care about the first game of the Jazz Blazers what is the last game the tournament not the first one oh my god yo Let's move on to the top 30 list Scoot Henderson versus Walker Kessler Oh my goodness That's kind of sick

Put it on the marquee Put it on the marquee You're joking but We're gonna lead TOTT off with this Relax This man is one of the greatest Hators of all time Relax

Relax Yeah Eddie for what You prefer that That game just means Absolutely nothing Instead of almost nothing Like all right

It's not constructive It's just could be cooler It doesn't add No, I gave you the things I think we can do a little bit better But like I agree the stakes could be better That's definitely true

I love the idea of having a draft pick But I don't think the teams would ever want that I think they would hate that idea Yeah exactly They need to set this up to where the winners End up playing We need to get this champion This basketball champions league going

The winner of these You play the best teams in Europe And do all that Go ahead and dominate right make it feel very global. If that's what Adam Silver is trying to do, right? Mr. Silver, get the Champions League going. Get to set up.

That'd be cool. That'd be cool if any of those teams could actually compete. Reality is Real Madrid comes over here and gets butt blasted by the thunder. Like, it's not going to be embarrassing for them. Yeah, exactly. That would be. That would be amazing. I would love that.

It's just, I would, you know, man. I think in a couple years, once they figure out the Kings and the Kingsen also, like, up the stakes a little bit more, we're going to be thinking about this or comparing. this probably not add to as much but the playing was a fucking fantastic condition oh my god I love that meme

that's hilarious are you already to get to these point guard rankings so everybody's here for dude yeah we're in our hand just getting to it just crazy good grief argue about some mantics about the in season tournament branding what are we doing

all right we're going to do the same thing with this we've done with previous ranking videos you guys have seen them we're going to rig 1 through 30 to the top point guards and we're going to do this by first revealing our 26 through 30

then 20 through 25 of 14 through 19 etc we can go by blocks of 5 until we get to the top just poked my eye god damn bro I look like I'm crying on the podcast that was a random clumsy

I'll start first I'll send you guys my 26 through 30 Who I have at number 30 is Markale Fultz Lit Number 29 Gabe Vincent 28 Spencer Dinwiddie 27 Montemores And 26 Tyous Jones

Very solid This part of the list is bleak Straight role players Wow yeah I know My list looks pretty a little bit different from yours but I'm not going to war with any of that. I just see Tyos don't. I feel like he's a little bit too low.

But solid list. I think Marco Fultz should be higher too. Higher than Gabe Vinson is kind of crazy, but I'm not going to, again, who am I to argue Markle Fon's versus Gabe Vincol? This is not a sick old podcast. Yeah. Have you debate me about Gabe Vincent versus Markle Foles?

I'm fucking walking out that door over there. Yeah, block me for life. I will do that, but we're on air right now. I have no strong opinions about those two players, compared to each other. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, we can breeze through these first five. These first five are, here's my favorite role players.

I'm a same line. My list is very, my list is very similar. So at 30, I have Gabe Vincent. At 29, I have Markhael Fultz. 28, I have Dennis Schrooter. 27, I have Mike Connolly, Jr. And then 26 to have Spencer Dune with you. So, okay, Dennis Strudan there is interesting.

I put shorter on mine, too. Okay. So you don't have Monty Morris. Is that on purpose? You don't think Monti Morris is good enough? No, no, I would I would rather have Dennis. I think Dennis, I want to reward Dennis because I've seen, like I was thoroughly impressed

by what Dennis did last year in the playoffs. And I think even though that like Steph was still able to get off, I think there were a lot of games where he was able to kind of, you know, make Steph uncomfortable. his shooting his shooting really came back once he got you know back back to the lakers and stuff like that i i i'd like shoot i just listen again like you said we're talking about about role players we're talking about guys that are fringe starters right they're going to come in they're going they're going to be your starter if somebody's hurt and at this point i'm going mainly just intangibles

i've seen shooter do it for a number of teams and so i'd just like shooter more than monte morris very that's very fair plus no one was really watching the wizard's last season my boy that's just the facts shout to all the monta morris stands that they're going to watch it next 30 hey oh for show when that tournament comes around oh my god so at 30 i have Kyle Lowry at 29 Andrew Neffard uh did I say his name last name right I feel like I almost never do but anyways I didn't include him that's a good pick yeah anyways 27 Dennis Schroeder, just like you, Donovan. 28, I put up, oh, say, my bad, 26, I put up

Jaden Ivy, rookie, had a good season. I see the flash, I see the player, but I can't put them any higher, but I don't want to them off this list. And then at 25, I have Co-Anthony. Cool, dude. Nice dreads. Nice dreads. He has to shoot a percentage, too, so.

We're at the point of the list. This is straight vibes. This is just straight, no analysis. It's just like, now, like, now, I like the way he hoops. Yeah. I like his social media presence, pretty active. Nemhar's good.

I think Nemhar's a shooting guard, so I didn't include him. But if you're calling him a point guard, that's a good pick. I didn't put Kyle Lowry. I kind of just, like, wrote him off because he's old. But like, I don't hate to. He showed up in the playoffs. Do you have Gay Vincent on this list? No, I actually left him off this list.

They started Gay Vincent over Kyle Lowry. I can't justify putting Lowry above him at that point. That is very true. That is very true. But when Kyle Larry did show up big in the NBA finals, like, it was there. And so I don't know. Something about this big. All right.

Let's be watching. That's exactly what this happened. Let's move on. Let's move. I'll send my next five. What else do you? Oh, you have Jaden Ivy on there? Yeah.

I mean, if we're going off last year, come on. But next year, it'll probably be a top 30 point guard. For sure. I'll send you guys my next five. This is where things get interesting, I think. my next five at what is it what is that 20 oh i forgot about derrick white damn yeah 25 i have malcolm brogden 24 i have mike conley 23 d'angelo russell 22 alex caruso and 21 derrick white a lot of defenders that's good that's good listen we're we're here i'm a i'm missing

mind just because it's just because it's very similar at least the same list kind of i have tied at 26 then I have Russ but then our next three 23 22 or 21 are the exact same Delo Caruso Derek boy you have Russ low Yeah there's still a lot of There's a lot of other guys that I would rather have them

Than Russ right now but like he's Definitely Just Listen right there in that lower third Upper third depending on the night But like yeah that's kind of where I would have them Okay I'm sick

The Clippers tenure saved him for me. I'm giving him some benefit of doubt that the Laker situation, which is awful for him, and I saw enough on the Clippers to think that he's probably roughly still similar to the caliber player he was, the Wizards, just with less usage. So I moved him up on my list,

but I'm not going to go to war arguing that Russell Wester should be high. He is a shell of himself, so I get it. Yeah. And we have the same top three. I go, I'll go real quick before you rattled those off. I just think, I have D-Lo a little bit lower just because, I mean, not Dela, I have Westbrook a little bit lower.

His lack of shooting just means that you can't put him on a lot of teams. And his skill set is like very, very specific. And you need him to do one thing. And so that's why he drops for me. Yeah. Yeah, man. For sure. He definitely is not the most versatile player on this list anymore at this stage.

Yeah, exactly. And I put that, I added, like, versatility and also, like, the ability for me to plug and play you anywhere on any of, on every team. added that element to this to this list so sadly i don't i feel so sickening to say but i'd rather i'd pretty much would rather have every other point guard or every single point guard on this list over him that's why he didn't make it bro oh he's not your list at all right no he's not on my list oh you're telling me i have russ the highest on this list that is character development i know shout out to you for that man but i had to look myself

in the mirror before i did this list couldn't do it about me so at i have monta morris Fultz, Mike Conley, Dilo, and Spencer Dinwiddie. You have Dinwiddie above Dilo. That's interesting. Yeah, I do have DINWty above Dilo. His IQ is a little bit higher. I like the way he talks. I think he's better defensively, but, like, obviously, like, he's not really moving the needle there.

But really, it's an inconsistency, the wild inconsistency of Dilo. That was a weird cut We had some technical difficulties We're back Are we ready to move on To the next part of this list? Yeah, let's go Yeah

I don't even remember What we're talking about So let's go Let's go Top 20 Top 20 Okay So I'll send my

20 through 16 now This is where the day is going to start Interesting Yeah We're going to be debating At 20 I have Marcus Smart At 19 I have Russell Westbrook

Oh 18 Fred Van Vlite 17 Chris Paul, 16 to Jante Murray. I just realized that I left two people out and not the end of the world, but Fervent elite, I don't think he made my list and also Marcus Smart probably didn't make my list either.

This man did not prepare. I prepared, but I was looking at the wrong things. Yeah, so again, I have Russell Westbrook much harder than you guys do. I don't know how good I feel about putting him above Marcus Smart. I, if I'm doing the team, you're letting those two playoff games get

if I'm building a team I'd probably rather have Marcus Smart but I can see world where with the right fit Russell Westbrook is still a better player overall so I'm giving him the respect of like how good he is as a player yeah but building a team I'm never going to pick Russell over Marcus Smart I don't think yeah so you're listed then no I think Russ is a better player I don't know like it it's hard to team building wise versus how talented they are I don't know it's difficult how do you feel about Fred Van Vleet versus CP3 that one was for me. I think they're damn near pretty even, Frederickively, maybe a little

better, just because he's not as old and he can still get to his spots and all that, but I don't know, I don't know. It's a tough conversation to have. People are a bit dramatic about CP3. They're actually, he can't do anything. Like, he's not completely cooked.

Like, he's still a great pass here. You can do a little bit of stuff. He's just not the on-ball score he once was. I don't think he's, like, useless, though. No, I mean, he's definitely not, like, useless but i do i have i have fred above cp on my list um okay yeah i don't hate that yeah and i'll go ahead and i'll send line if fred was an efficient score would be no-brainer for me but he's also not a particularly good score so i didn't think the gap there between him and cp3 was big enough to make up for the passing gap once again another jar and cut most camera turned

off again we're back we're good when the trends right now guys technical difficulties man yeah how do you guys feel about Dejante at 16 I like it I like it that's fair yeah

I struggled to rate him because he was probably a little bit better than that with the spurs than last year I don't think he was super impressive with Tray Young but I don't really blame him

I think the fits bad I don't really know where to put him I think individually like when it comes to what he did in the playoffs he was phenomenal one of the only players

to keep a consistent level of play except towards the back half of the Celtic series, but, um, I feel like DeJante at times, like, I, I, I, I go back in between myself, for them being overrated and also like underrated, overrated because defensively can't guard guys like Gillian Brown and, you know what I'm saying, like other premier two guards, but at the same time, like, when it comes to just overall being on and everyone's business defensively, I think he's that and on the offensive side of

things, like he's a weird shooter, like he shot better. It seemed to me like he shot, like he shot better off of the dribble than like on regular catch and shoot threes he's like and it's like pretty substantial too which is so freaky um so i don't know jeante's weird but i feel like that's a pretty good rating yeah okay yeah i'm cool i'm cool with that you want to send your list donovan yeah let me we're going to send it through um so at 20 i have marcus smart at 19 i have dejante murray at 18 at 18 i have tyrese maxi um at 17 I have Chris Paul and then at 15 I have Fred

For me For me Those four guys like 16 through 19 I see the case for all of them to be 16 Like those guys are very very interchangeable for me I'm not like these are not hard rankings at all The reason that I'm putting Murray

The reason why I'm putting to Jopjeet That's so crazy The only reason why And I like it's this actually isn't like Hawking I think he's a little bit overrated on defense. Definitely is at this point. I think he's, yeah, I think he's a little bit overrated on that end.

The stuff that he, like, just last season, the fit between him and Trey, it's not really his fault that he, like, got dealt there and he's not able to, like, be this, you know, this full, like, on-ball creator and stuff like that. But that's the situation that he's in. And I just still am kind of, I don't, I don't really know what to make of his entire. higher career because half of it he's been he was injured for a lot of the early part and then once he got going he was just on a terrible spurs team and now he's on this hawks team that's like

it's a weird fit so i'm still trying to understand where to put him if you want to put him higher fine i'm not going to fight you on that tyrese yeah tyrese i have him above him i'm a huge that's the one that's the only part i have issue with i can't put tyrese above de jante why that's crazy as hell why i think i think d'jante's better at everything i don't know He's a better score, better defender, better passer. Like, he clears him in every aspect of the court. Yeah, I don't know what the argument for Maxie is. I think, one, I think Maxie has it.

Better shooter. Yes, I think Maxie is a better shooter. And again, I think I'm giving Maxi the benefit of the doubt because he played next to Hardin. I understand that, like, I literally just kind of, I just said for the opposite for Desjante. But I'm giving, I'm giving him that because. in the spots where where james was was out and even even last year whenever whenever maxi was playing point guard with the sixers with this team he was still very very effective and so i'm anticipating maxi to get back to the point guard position i think james is probably going to like he's either not

going to play at the start of the season for the sixers or he's going to be dealt for that so i think he's going to get back to the point guard position so in terms of like a positional fit that's That's why I'm going to have him. I think CP is above him for everything that we just said. He's still crazy smart. He can still run an offense. He can still put people in the right places. And then Fred, Fred is not the most efficient score.

To put it lightly. Yeah. But I also think that he, out of everybody, might be in the worst situation. Because that entire Toronto offense, like, they're just not in. They're just not in a good situation. That whole half-foot offense is trash. Terrible. Yeah, for sure.

It's trash. And so it's like, I think this season, going with Houston, I think he's going to be much better than what he was. I can buy that. So, yeah. His efficiency last year was also bad because he had a really cold stress of three-point shooting to start the season. Like he couldn't buy a three. It was pretty absurd for like two months straight. So I can see that.

The thing is he's always been a bad rim finisher because he's like tiny. So like that's never going to come around. but the jump shooting is definitely better than sure, I would think. And maybe with a better offense that actually creates advantages for him instead of him just shoving round pegs into square holes, nonstop. I can buy that. I can see that for sure. Yeah.

So I'm going to go ahead and send my list. Again, I forgot to put further away, but he would definitely be in this exact same tier. And there's a name in here that probably is not, that is definitely not in the same tier as you guys. And that name is Tyas Jones. maybe i'm a tias jones i'm a tias jones like super fan hell call it that you i think i'll definitely have him i'll definitely have him over uh or probably over thys jones so at so at what is this

20 through 15 or 20 to 16 or whatever yeah so i have malcolm brogden tias jones cp3 and pharine simons i haven't seen him on you guys's list so far he's a shooting guard i i consider him a like a legit two he's definitely a shooting card you know what you can do we'll let you do replace him with fred van vleet and you're good just swap him simons is gonna be on next week's left so go ahead are you gonna fight van bleat over

no no i i'd rather i don't know why but in my mind i assume as a as a one maybe just because of the size or whatever yeah i don't care yeah let's definitely yeah let's definitely go ahead and put fredman fleet at two instead because it's that's very fair um and then at one i have or at this one right here for you guys watching right now uh dejante mr at 16 so super dope okay i think so me and you agree on djante so let's say you have dejante fred cp3 tias malcolm

brogden that's pretty much aligns with us you so you didn't put marcus smart your list you forgot about him too i literally forgot about marcus smart yeah it's a better earlier do you want to do you want to amend that do you want to amend that and shove him in here and put everybody down or instead of tyus jones absolutely okay so you put him both Tyche Jones, but sure we don't one? For sure. Easy. Okay.

All right, cool. Can you, uh, Nikiel, can you write that down, fix his list and put Marcus Smart between CP3 and Titius Jones? It's like I remember to edit that in. So who's 30s? So Kyle Lowry gets to docked off his list. Bye, by, Kyle. Damn.

Are you serious? I love to know. It is what it is. Yeah, Nickil, you have his list written down wrong. It's not in the right order. It's, I can, anyways. That's all good. So, CP3 below...

Okay. Yeah, so you know, this is pretty much the same as us. We all have these guys in the same tiers. I'm going to be interested to see where we rank Anthony Simons next week when he actually counts because he's going to be a fun guy to rank.

I'll send my next one. We're finally breaking into the top 15. This is interesting for sure. Here are my names. At 15, I have the mellow ball. 14, Drew Holiday. 13, Brunson, 12, James. Harden and 11 Deerran Fox.

Wow. Okay. I am not projection. I'm not particularly confident by these rankings at all. So if you have a big problem with this, you can sway me for sure. Okay. I like these. No, I like, I like all of these. I think Fox can definitely be higher.

Higher. Yeah. I mean, listen, but I don't think you, you haven't been a big Fox guy. You guys love Deerrin Fox, man. I don't I don't I don't I find myself on the opposite end of Deer and Fox Love a lot just because I feel like he's very good not great at anything like he's a very good score not incredible he doesn't have I don't quite buy into his perimeter shooting enough to make him like a great playoff score he's a good enough he's a good solid passer not an elite passer not an elite defender I just feel like he's very good at everything but not doesn't have any great skills besides running really fast And that, listen, being a very above average player in the NBA and then making him like the third fastest player in the league, that's a great combination. I agree. That's pretty fantastic. That's why he's the 11th best point guard.

They're just like, you'll see. We'll debate the names above him because I think he could be 10 or 9. Those are the hard ones I had to decide between. Like one of whom is Jamal Murray. If you wanted to tell me Deer and Fox is better than Jamal Murray, I wouldn't kill you for it. But we'll get there when we get there. Do you guys have any problems with the rest of the list? No, I don't.

I like where Brunson is. I think I'd rather have Harden over Brunton at this point, for sure. That's close, though. That's close, right? It's not outlandish, but I think, like, throwing a playoff, go ahead and throwing just how consistent Jaylon Brunson is also during the regular season two. I probably would rather have Jailen Brunton, but it's not bad at all. And also, Drew Holiday ahead of O'Millabal.

that's a tough bill I had to swallow when I was making my list. I literally have that exact same formation. Nice. So it's right for now. Yeah, definitely true. The crayon eaters, as you call him, we're going to hate that, but it's true. Yeah.

But I will say, I think the mellow ball is going to fly up this list this year. I think he's going to jump into the top ten with a big year or four. I hope so. I just hope he plays, man. It feels like it's been a while since, like, we've seen him. Yeah. He just needs competency around him. Yeah, exactly.

I almost let him off the list because. I just haven't seen him play in a little while. Left Lamello off the list. Off the top 30? I didn't, though. No, no, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't.

I almost. I'm all right. All right. Donovan, send your 15 through 11. All right. At 15, I have Lamella ball. At 14, I have Drew Holiday. 13, Jalen Brunson.

At 12, I have Kyrie. And at 11, I have James Hardin. James Hardin over Kyrie. Yes. Okay, I have Kyrie stupidly high, I think, compared to you yeah okay yeah is this uh listen the cases for for lamello brunton those are kind of there for james the reason why i think that james is the best out of all out of all of these guys is one he's clearly just the best pass like james harding can roll out

of bed and get tennessee it doesn't and i think that that like separates him if we're talking about like i don't i don't know He's, I think that James, when he wants to be, is he's a better defender, I think, than Jalen. And that's just because of his size, he's better defender than Kyrie. He can at least, you know, do some, do some stuff in post-defense. There's just like, as long as I'm not relying on James Hardin to be the one taking the shot at the end of the game, I'm okay.

I'm fine. And so that's what, but yeah, I think he's, I think he's the best out of these guys. I think Kyrie, elite score, very underrated pass. right he's going to he's going to improve your offense fully but listen if we're just talking about what like if he's he's going to be there is he going to come in and my whole situation is going to blow up in my face i have to account for that if he wasn't the way if he wasn't the way that he would probably be higher on my list but i didn't account for that but he's so like you just have to drop him because that's fair it's going to happen i probably should have accounted

for that because we're talking about like who would rather have or whatnot but I didn't account for that I tried to be unbiased against the fact that I think he's insane so I just like just want to have how good he is at basketball but I can respect that yeah for me personally too like I was on the same

wavelength as you Isaac I'm like yo like if they're both gonna flame out I'd rather pardon not embarrass me in flame out in the brightest lights than like Tyree just be out in like the middle team but like yo he was here though like I was like my team would be in a much better for this yeah it's just about like how bad do you want to go out I'd rather not go out in the brightest lights like Arden so at 15 I have Lamello ball

like oh 14 drew holiday but I know that this will change once the season starts because I feel like like you guys myel ball's gonna have a he's gonna have that leap of because of consistency and this being a little bit healthier and development around all the teammates stuff like that 13. I have James Harden. 12. I have Darius Garland. I don't know if this is me being kind of tough on it. Too fucking low. It might be too low. It might be too low, but at

11, I have the guy who out played the shit out of him and James Brunson. I can't get reached some. Shout out to the Brunson I appreciate it. I disagree, but I appreciate it. I don't think that somebody on this panel is giving Jalen Brunson love like that. I think the Jalen Brunson praise is less crazy than the... I don't think having Jailen Brunson at 11 is bad at all. I just think if that's going to be the case, Garland, she'd be like 10 or 9.

That's the thing. Jalen Brunson could definitely be higher. I think his playoff run was incredibly impressive. I think his numbers were very similar to Jamal Murray. He just didn't have Jokish next to him. He was averaging 27 and extremely high efficiency for those first couple. Browns. So I get it. I just think it's not Garland's fault. They got absolutely punching the mouth in every asset in that series. So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. And I still

have in the top 10, obviously. Yeah, I think that's fair. Like, he just had one bad playoff series. And I don't think that that is who Darius Garland is. But overall, I just think that Jalen Brown, like the word you like to, I said Jailen Brown, Jalen Brunson, the word you like to use, I think is like playoff proof. And I don't think there's a way. to go ahead and game plan and scheme around Joan Brunson like there was potential ways

to take out Darry's Gar and I don't know it's really like I'm not I'm not going to war for this at all whatsoever though I'm not going to work for it at all I'm not going to worry about Darryas Garland you're going to have to stand on that shit I ain't sending on shit I'll put my worst right now

I guess what's getting the top 10 this is tough at number 10 I have Darius Garland and number 9 I have All Murray. You sicko. You just blew his nose for the mic. The mic is right here.

Keep going. At nine, I have Jamal Murray. At eight, I have Tyrese Halliburton. Seven, Kyrie Irving. And six, Tray Young. Okay. Ouch. Okay.

How do you guys feel about this? I'm with it. I'm with it. I, um, we talked about Kyrie being. a little bit lower and like the difference in there. I like the fact that you put Jamal Murray over Darius Garland. He deserves it, right?

Yeah. Like just coming off that entire playoff run, that entire final trial, I think Jamal is going to get a lot of love from us, from, you know, everybody else in the media. Like this is, he should have his respect this year. He's probably going to be

an all-star finally, like, not. Hopefully. Yeah. What Jamal what Jamal did in the playoffs was, was very, very, very impressive. So I like that you put him over Garland. Halliburton versus Kyrie was difficult. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

That was so tough. What came down to it is I would rather have Tyrese Halliburton, I think. And like on paper, I think that at first. He's a incredible passer, 22 points per game, upper trajectories off the charts. But I was like, come on, if I'm trying to win a playoff series, am I really going to pick Tyrese Halliburton over Kyrie Irving? I don't think so. I think end of the day, Kyrie is an unstoppable. playoff proof score like you said about brunson i if i'm trying to win a basketball game i'm

going to pick carrieurping that's fair i can't hate you for that i can't hate you for that at all oh man i oh man it's just so tough that's something that i had a hard time with two i'm about a sneeze again to agree okay we're in they got allergies in the in the meantime i'm going to send my 10 through six we're We're going to see how this goes. So at 10, at 10, I have Darius Garland. At 9, I have Dehran Fox. Seven, I have, no, eight, I have Jamal Murray.

Seven, I have John Morant. And at six, I have Tray Young. Is your John Moran is seven? Yes, I do. Wow. That has to do with some encore stuff, huh? Yeah, you're definitely including the gun-towed into this. Oh, no.

No, yes, I am. But, like, if I did, I did the same thing with Tyreact. I have to do it with with Jha. And I think at this point, like, after the first time, you can kind of, you know, listen, we'll put that behind us, we'll move forward. What he's about to, what he's doing right now and the way that he's affecting his team is ridiculous. And so, but also there's, there's arguments that I have for everybody above him.

We can get into that. I have Deerrin Fox at nine. I was really, really impressed by what Deerrin Fox did in the playoffs last year. And I, I think that if he doesn't break his finger, like the king. the kids probably win that series like he was really really good and I I want to he average 27 exactly I want to give him the respect like we just said Jamal he's coming off of this crazy run jaw Josh fantastic but he's out here doing stuff that he shouldn't be doing and now that's messing with your availability and whenever we get to

you know top five top six and stuff like that all these guys above that are either massively better than him or are much more available at this point. So that's why I'm dropping him down. He's probably, if he's, if he comes back and he's like the John Morant that we know and there's no other problems and he's like going to be there, not going to be a distraction, cool. You can, you can regain your, your place up top. But I can't, I can't in good faith right now put him in the top five.

Nice. Okay. I can understand that. It's a similar thing with Kyrie where I try to just be like all that stuff is for sure a factor. I try to just say, let me remove that bias from my head and talk with them as basketball players. But if we're doing that, I have no issue with that. There's definitely a case that you'd rather all things considered build around Trey. Isaac, you're better than me, man.

You were able to move that bias around your head, out of your head, not me. It's staying in me. It runs through my veins. So at number 10 I have Jamal Murray At number nine Deeran Fox Number eight

I have Kyrie Irving Which feels weird But it is what it is At 7 Tyre's Halliburton And then I have At 6 Shay goes Allent

I know you did not Put Tray Young above SGA You sicko You sicko My veins And I'm not just going by For Tray Young I will bend

Every single rule there is All right Pause, but I am doing it for that. We can't allow it. I'm vetoed. I'm vetoed. We can't allow. What is this?

He's twirking for Trey Young. This is crazy. Hell yeah, I am. Bro, he's dropping down and getting his eagle on. He's making his knees touch his elbows. This is crazy. Hell yeah, I am. Okay, but let's focus on this list specifically right now.

All right. So, Shea, I think there's a clear gap between him and everybody else. under him for now, except for maybe Kyrie, because, like, we already know what he is. It's just other things that's holding the back, all right? So as for Tyree-Thalerun versus Kyrie, I had that exact same thought process, Isaac, but at the same time, I see just how good offensively he is and how good he, Tyree says, at getting other people involved in just the fast-paced motion of play. I just feel like you can damn near pair him up with anybody who likes to play any style

basketball and you're going to get to the you would probably get to the promise like that yeah yeah so um but if you're to put kairi above him i'm not crying playing because he's literally kairri and so as for fox and damal murray like i just feel like fox i don't know i this is this is very flippable in my mind too i'm not standing to the ground with this whatsoever but with the type of first round series that de er and fox had as the hub of the offense and just constantly being just like

that dude was not the greatest supporting cast around him with great supporting cast but not the greatest I just think I just gave him the nod over to him over Jamal Murray but I honestly not I think about I might have Jamal Murray or I don't know

this man does not want to stand on anything there's only one thing all stand on right only one thing I'll stand up it's all see that thing And that's the Tray Young Slurp. Rends a gawker. I am a certified munch for Tray Young. Okay.

Time for the top five? Top five. At number five, I have Shea Gildes Alexander, four John Morant, three Damien Lillard, two Luca, one Steph. I, even just now before I sent it, was debating so hard between Jha and Shea for four and five. I cannot decide who was better. between those two guys. It's crippling me how much I don't know the answer to that question.

I gave the nod to Jha simply because I feel like he's a better driver of offense that his penetration creates for others more is more of an engine of offense while Shea's unique abilities are more centered

by him getting his own. He isn't as much of a creator for others. Not to say he can't do that but I think Jaws a little bit better which is the deciding factor between two great scores. I don't feel good about it at all. That's funny.

See, I could have made your life easier to say Trey Young better than both and then bump one of them boys off the list but you wanted to take the hard route I'd pick Shea 10 times over 10 over it's not even close 10 times over 10 it's not close it's so

crazy to say 10 times I'd say that's a bit much I'm just sitting on Trey I'm kidding that's Tray's the same tier those three guys are definitely the same tier yeah but I think the top three is pretty cut and dry I imagine we're all going to have the same top three if we don't you're sickos oh for sure uh oh I see Donovan's uh oh you know how day number three oh my god will we let's see send your top five he's lying he's trolling now

i'm capper i'm capping number five i'm tyrese halliburton number four i have shegift's alexander three dame two luka one stuff um okay we're going to talk about tyrese at five tyrese at tyrese is in the category and in the tier with him tray jah shay right like that's kind of of right anywhere from i guess in my case for to down to like seven or whatever he's the best passer by far out of out of all of them oh tre's close by far he he's a he's a better passer than trey young and i don't think that it's close i don't i don't i don't i but tyreece is there he didn't say luca he's done with that tier runs five or six yeah out of all out of all

of them. They're all either mid or below average to defense, so I'm throwing that out, right? Like, they're not like locked down defenders at all. Tyrese is also giving you 22 points a game on crazy efficiency when he was healthy. The Indiana Pacers,

who we all thought was going to be tanking, were fourth in the Eastern Conference. They were winning basketball games at a very, very high level. I think that Tyrese is going to come back this year. He's going to be healthy. He has Bruce Brown to do all the dirty work. Juris Walker's there like he should be good too

Miles Turner is a lot like the Pacers are going to be good and it's going to be because of Tyree's Halliburton and he's he's like he's him he's fantastic so I have him at five and then Shea she's just a one man wrecking crew I'm going to get buckets and now I'm going to go shower and I'm put on the hardest

fit that you've ever seen in your life and I'm just there's just nothing that you can do about it like I'm going to be I'm going to be on House of Highlights at 8 and then at 9 I'm going to be on League Fitz he's he's he's unstop He's unstoppable.

And for him to be on an offense last year with rookie Jalen Williams, who, listen, he was good, still a rookie, Josh Giddy, who's still finding his offensive game, Lou Dore, to not have Chet, and then to bring that team as far as they did, him average in 30, they won a playing game. And listen, I know, I understand that they got destroyed by Minnesota. But to win the game against, against New Orleans to go on the road to do that, like, we already seen him in playoffs in playoff situations play well i think shay is better than than all them i trust him to lead my offense and for for him also to not be like as fast as jow or fox and

still be able to get to the foul line and get to the rim as easy as he does you put some real scores and some like shooters next to him oh he's his assist numbers are going crazy like shay she still has levels to go and i think that his potential and everything that he does right now It's fantastic. So I'm putting him at four. And then Steph Luca Dane, we don't have to talk about it. Those guys are top three.

But those are four and five for me. Okay. You're convincing argument. You got it. I can't, I'm not even going to go ahead and argue that. I think it's very fair. Yeah.

On top of that, you even mention Shays insanely tough caption game on his personal idea. That's what I'm saying. He's there. He's there. He's got bars. Yeah. I respect it.

Yeah. My only thing about Shea is, like, of course, like, the offense is fantastic and all that. But I'm just, like, sitting here and thinking, like, okay, like, with all these players, there's, like, there's one, there's one thing that separates Shea from all that. I think it's the passing in the vision. He doesn't have the vision of Dane, Steph, Luca, or Tyrese, or Trey, or Adol,

or anything like that. And for me, personally, when I think of, What makes you one of the best to play at your business soon? I hold that, like, pretty high because I think that adds to another level how unstoppable you are. Now, you know, like, Shea easily had, like, the worst group of players around him. And maybe so, maybe if things open up a little bit more, Josh Getty, like, actually starts shooting on a more consistent level, even though he was already better last season. Just keep on wrapping them up.

Maybe, like, that old goes ahead and, like, takes Shay's pass passing to another level, but I just don't think that's, like, naturally him. I don't think that's his bag. Yeah, that's why, like, I just can't have him at that tier. Just because, in my mind, like, in my basketball philosophy, like, I just, his archetypes doesn't scream to me, like, oh, yeah. He's just as good of a passer as Dame. Dame's the same type of player where he's a God-level score, similar passer.

Like, I don't think they're that different in that way. uh i i don't i think i think you're underrated dames past just a little bit but also dames like another stratigraphy because he shoots at like an entirely different stratistry but of course i don't even really need to go through like curry number one luca number two dame number three nobody really cares that's just what it is if you have a different top three you're just wrong and i crayon eaters yeah that number four is try young you're wrong too if you don't have Honestly, this is, yes, four, four. And I'm standing on all fours for now.

Okay, let me pause, hold on. Dropping down, getting your eagle on. I love that. But Trey Young F4 because I see him for what he is not right now, which is flawed. But I do not care. I think that once he, hopefully, I like, Like, he can be 30, and I'm still saying this, bro. As soon as he starts to move off ball a little bit, it's over for you.

It's over for the entire league. So I haven't met him before. And then John Moran, still, Dommerant, regards of all the BS been going on. Aren't you sore? Look. Why would you say that? You're actually disgusting. That's funny.

Are you sore? That's funny. That's disturbing, Isaac. Do you know how young your audience is right now? Can you're sacks me if I'm sore? No, I'm not sore. I never do get tired. I got stabbed.

I can do this all day. I'm nasty, man. That's true. But, like, I feel like once you put Trey in the specific system and once he conform to the specific ideology that I hope I knew that ghost Quinn would put into his head, I think we can easily see him skyrocket. Of course, I'm not mad at you guys for not having him in the sister whatsoever

because the efficiency was asked, defense always asked, and also the fit was asked alongside John Taylor's first year. You know what you sound like? When Trey Young starts moving off ball is a new version of when Russell Russo-Ruswick starts setting screens and cutting,

it's never going to happen. He doesn't want to. I said it earlier. I said, I'm going to be 30 still saying this, bro. I don't care. Okay. I will say,

I was it. I can see the vision for this happening after this year. Like if Trey, if, if, because I think that the Hawks, the Hawks look, they look good under Quinn Snyder. And I think that in another season, right, you give him an offseason to come back and really learn that system. Him and DeJante have another year to kind of figure out their chemistry. I can see a world where he does jump up to,

to four because his passing is, his passing is great he does have the ability to take over games to be a high level score i just the inconsistency and from him and the hawks like like you were talking last year about the hawks being top five in the conference and i just don't see a world where i i just they made the playoffs you still only my no no i we're not getting into that right now okay let's let's focus on the task i hand but i'm saying like i still don't know if if tray is elevating this hawks team to that level where like yeah where he he has he has decent pieces around him and i just i don't i don't see it i don't see it right now but it but he can be come out and also like he started last year really really

off from three like if he's terrible exactly if he has like a normal shooting season I don't hate it, right? I don't, I don't, I don't think you're glazing in that sense. But like, right now, I mean, listen, we, we ain't got to say, but you're doing some work, you know what I'm saying? You're working at the pyramids, okay? You're working at the pyramid. Working at the pyramid, it's crazy. I warned you before I even read off my list, I am like that portray you.

All right. Sorry, it is what it is. You said, I'm heaps. Deal with it. It is what it is. I will stand by. that's hilarious I don't think any of our lists are

like too bad one thing I'd say is I think I love Kate coming in off on my list as well I think he's easily going to be like around top 15ish you are you are sore

knee fans oh man it's so bad that's such a zesty picture bro that's crazy you're a grown man you're a grown man

please act like it you are older than him oh my god no chay young is 25 I think he's 25 I think you pass this time he's I just made the cut

nine months difference there's the list that's funny is about your list whatsoever? Uh, no. It would just be job versus Shea.

Maybe I'll regret not putting Shea above job, but it's not the worst mistake in the world. Is this the year that Luca takes over from Steph as best point in the league? It'll never be the year. It's not going to be the year until Steph retires. I'm not going to, I'm done predicting Curry falling off. I'm joking. Like, if Curry's fucking 40 and yeah. But like, I'm not going to predict the stuff fall off until it happens.

Gotcha. Gotcha. But a lot of people, when people were saying that last year, it was going to be. of the year Luca takes over, but then you didn't make the plan. Embarrassing. Embarrassing. That Drake clip was hilarious.

Embarrassing. All right, man. That's our top 30 list. Next week we'll be doing shooting guards and then small fourth and so on to get us through this off season while nothing happens in August in July. It'll be great.

TD3 freeing the streets. So, with that being said, it is TikTok time let's go this is something we can all agree about we can all agree about crayon eaters banging on our doors right now bro holy shit

outside my condominium love it as always we're going to start with the draft this time we're going to do a draft of only players that are selected number three in the draft so it's a surprisingly deep list of people that went third overall

this is a great pick I think who had I had the second pick last time so I got first who was third last time I think I was two last no no you were three was I three yeah Mo at first pick

I think yeah so it's me Donovan Moe was a draft order no I want three Mo I betrayed you I'll take three this this nope

you can't destroy the sanctity of the draft order no respect it over here no mo you want to what do you want we're going by the law stop law this man is lame let's draft NBA lineups

with only people who were select said people let's have NBA lineups with only players who were selected third overall first pick Michael Jeffrey Jordan knew knew that was gonna happen how'd you guess that I don't know I know a couple things know a couple things we're here all right uh I'll go here give me Luca Donchitz oh okay yeah we could this is where it's really like up in the air mom it's a bit of a reach it's a bit of a reach but it's Lucas I guess I got to respect it I don't really hate it like that I don't really hate it like that all right so that leaves me with two back-to-back

picks that is nice for you don't have a lot of decisions to make I know I could I know I have a lot of decisions to make all right so go ahead give me Jason Tatum okay and then to wrap their own round and give me James Hart damn that's a good start yeah okay give me my guy give me my guy Carmelo Anthony

you can have him he has to be on my team that's just like if he's on the board he's on my you always pick him that's what guy you never miss okay so I got Jordan at my two

this one there's a many players here like it's kind of a hard choice just because there's a copious amount of good guys first off give me joel and bead best center available nice okay and then this pick and then give me jalen brown the three okay interesting so what are you so far i have jordan jalen brown and joel and bead straight buckets okay nice all right listen i need to say to combat Joel and B. Give me Nate Thurman.

Food. Okay. It's not moving to me, man. Listen, Nate Thurman, and listen, to TD3 clips, whenever you put this in the thing, you have to upgrade Nate Thurman. He has that old man strength. Hell no.

He has the old man strength. He's going to be able to bully Joel and Bede all day. Don't even, don't even trip. Nobody's bullying Joel and Bede. Al Horford. Gross. Al Horford. Don't make me call out.

say that for me say that for me please say that for me oh god say that for me all right so for my pick so far I got Jason Tatum and James Hart so I want to put Tatum at my two give me Dominique Wilkins

at my three okay and then so I got Harden Tatum and Dominique Wilkins for the sake of scarcity give me the Joellen Bede stopper Al Horford

Food Both of you Absolute food No listen I'm actually more confident about the Alhorford pick than the Nate Thurman pick Al Horford shut him down

Had him in jail I respect to honesty He had him in jail All right What do I have I have Luca Mello Nate Thurman I have a one three and five

Need to fill this out I'm trying to see Which way do I want the four to go this is this is very interesting dude just pick it dude I want I want to I want to irritate this draft so bad because I'm scared that I'm just going to pick him up

I need a two and I just need somebody who can get buckets pick a four man please no I'm not taking the four I'm not I'm not taking the four give me Penny Hardaway Oh from Penny Hardaway to two yeah

yeah okay I do Okay Give me Darren Williams My point guard My lineup My lineup he's passing bad

And then I have a four left This I could go a lot of ways Give you palgusall My four Okay I think he's so much Donovan

What You're not seeing the heaven gates You're not seeing the heaven gates for that No No, I will take Listen, post-move master Give me Kevin McHale at my four It's a good pick

Food, but good pick For who? Joelle Kevin McHale Joel and Powell are running trains on that team Who do you think that they are? I'm just kidding Oh, God

What is this? I'm kidding. I'm dead. All right. So I got Harden, Tatum, Dominique Wilkins. Choker. And I got hardcore for it. Choker.

Soft. Damn. Okay. Go ahead. Give me who someone will be one of the greatest predators of all time, Evan Mowley. I thought about that. I was going to be a hammer pal, Gassol. That's a good pick.

Yeah. I would have to pick, pal, but give me Evan Mow. Food. Absolutely food For McHill For McHale He can't handle him Way too small

Crazy That would put on some weight This all season He got the same wrist Thickness as me Pounds It count He's skinny

He ate one quarter pounder Now he's different Okay Exactly All right So I got The list of teams Oh you go

I go James Harden Jason Tatum Dominique Wilkins Evan Mowley and Alhorpe my team is so worst your front course is way too small that's a good team

all right I got I got Luca Penny I can't say this without laughing dang I sold This is crazy This crazy All right I got

I got Luca penny mellow Kevin McHale Nate Thurman This is a low key Nate Thurman bro damn y'all hating on Nate please

that team makes no sense together it doesn't make any sense but we're straight hoopers you got mellow at the elbow mcale calling for the ball Luca dribbling while nobody's paying attention then you have Penny Hardaway spotting up

from three god it's so nasty bro mellow's the spotted from three they both got a spot up from three I've seen that work before oh god okay I should have put Jordan

Tom out time time well don't you say anything about Carmelo Anthony ever again we just 10 minutes ago 10 minutes ago we saw you on the internet busting it down for tray young don't you ever talk about Carmelo oh don't you ever don't you ever speak on mellow again I'm saying ah what you ever do man watch him out yeah I got Darren Williams Michael Jordan Jalen Brown Pau Gasol Joellen Bede I'm inside good night I'm sorry

and Joelan duo is nice I got two MVP my team my team yeah you have one Friday MVP though so he's not

he went off a race relations so like he's one of the fakes MVP he got that civil rights MVP

yeah we got I'm the only one with five all stars I'll say that Al Horfer was an all star Evan I have five all stars

never mind you have all stars as well Tatum and also and also pardon All the thing is five is bigger than four

Well so you use your worst mode You have glasses you're supposed to be able to see things So can't you see the future and see that in the movie It's going to be an all start I can also see the calendar and know that we're currently not in the future So that helps It's just going to say I got nothing to say

Get a new prescription I'm going to say It's time to move on to our second video the day. A tier list, like usual. This time we're going to do a tier list of different versions of LeBron James. Hard. I like this.

I like this. People often debate what the best version of Braun is. Let's figure it out. Let's do it. Let's put these versions of LeBron James into a tier list. First off, Rookie LeBron. I feel like it's disrespectful to say anything of Braun

is less than A, but there's so many other better versions than LeBron. Do you just have to put this at you yeah i feel i mean come on b i mean we're comparing him against versions of lebron see see yeah i mean comparing him to the rest of the versions of lebron got to be c yeah oh yeah exactly hey hey i'm okay with that i thought i'll just trying to be nice like he's i'll just be nice yeah my bad my bad no no no no you being you being way too nice bro b is like still one of the best players of all time and he wasn't that as a rule we're We're comparing him to himself.

So, like, low-key, this is the worst version of Braun. He might be D. Yeah. I mean, okay. We kind of have to. We're comparing him to other LeBrons. So is this list just going to be A-B-A-B-A-B-R-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. Like, he's probably got to be D for rookie. Okay. All right, fine. For the sake of the experiment. We do. Okay, Ricky-Bron D. 06,6, LeBron, his career high and scoring.

Oh my God. That year two? God, man. 31 points per game in 06. Where spacing was duchy? Yep. This wasn't the most complete version of LeBron. He wasn't quite the passer he grew into, but he was a great score already.

Yeah, exactly. Who was his, I wonder who his four was that year two. Oh, my goodness. I mean, it was probably like Drew Gooden or something like that. Yeah, look at this rusty tweet that Nikiel pulled up. He had two game winners in that. Playoff run. O6 LeBron was nasty.

Do we go B or C? We'll go C. We'll go C. We'll go C. There's better versions. There is. This LeBron didn't have the... This is back when people were saying all he is is running dunk man when they said he didn't have a

post game. Running it was honest? Yeah, that's how they were talking about it back then. It wasn't true. I'll say that. It was stupid. But he didn't have the IQ and bag he had later in his group. No bag, no skill.

I don't know. All right next up 2010 LeBron His last year on the Cavs That's A2 That's A tier Braun Listen that's it That was a great

That's an MVP season LeBron My have Listen that The athleticism That he had Crazy In 2009 and 2010

Is unseen by nearly Anybody else That is A tier LeBron Yep One of the most athletic players This is that version Of Bronn Where you watch his career

Highlights And you're like Holy fuck He could jump like that at one point this is the 2019 that's de lebrun

oh my goodness bro i think this was the same there's this one to highlight a little bra from that year too where i think he was against the pulling troglars yeah

and his head was literally like it looked like it was fake he got he was edited edited from premiere pro but his head was somewhere where it wasn't supposed to this sounds way more nefarious than it is

okay yeah where was is head mo we're just a nasty pod today as that's how we are right next up we have 2012 lebron s tier oh s oh my goodness s easily yes peak of his power is Miami best part we've ever seen yeah yeah arguably the highest peak in NBA history like this he was peak of his power is athletically still put together the post game and stuff after the embarrassing 2011 loss he was still an elite defender playing alongside other elite talent and

making it work without the ball in his hands all the time. That three-four percentage was nice. He was hitting the case. Yeah, you should have 40% for three randomly. Like, crazy player. Yeah, bro. Yeah, that year was easily one of the best players. Probably the best part I've ever seen in my life.

It's the best player anybody's ever seen in their life. Next up, 2015 LeBron, when you first got back to Cleveland. This is... Be fair? No, I actually, low-key. actually think that this is also an S, an S tier Bron. Yeah, I mean, he wasn't a worst player

than 2012. Like, this gotta be S. This version of Braun this version of Braun had and everybody talks about it like mentally, everybody says that like this Bronn was even like levels ahead of where he was in 2012. And so like even

listen, it's hard to reach like 2012 like athleticism LeBron but he's probably like 0.5% off where he was three years ago. Yeah. that that team to go to the finals he almost won finals MVP on a losing team because he was averaging him crazy 35 40 in the finals yeah that's that's that's that's the segregation days god damn no that that's yeah that's that's that's an iconic lebron this is the most underrated year of lebron's career for sure easily yeah y'all prove me you'll prove me wrong by saying that for sure next up

iconic 2018 LeBron This has to be damn near S. This is also an S team. The bag was probably the deepest. This is the deepest as bag has ever been. Game has evolved. The jumper was working when it comes to a degree of difficulty of jumpers like at an all time

high, whipping so many teams ass by himself 50 points in like what game one 51 points, whatever in game one of the NBA finals. Oh my God. Finger through with God damn eye by Derrymon Green. This was like a chronic. year of LeBron team.

There's never been a basketball mind that works better than 2018 LeBron. The way he just had the game figured out moving the ball on a string, manipulating everybody on the court at all times. It was just cerebral. It was ridiculous. Dude, there's just one highlight of LeBron back then

where he was going against the Philadelphia 76ers, put it behind his back, went through Joel Embed and Bede and some other players leggerstone like that. Yeah, I remember that. He caught it and, bro, that was just iconic. He was just in his bag that year. First off, that was an accident.

but also iconic Also sick Also only year in LeBron's career He played all 82 games Ah Mad underrated I underrated Yeah

And that's not even getting into The playoff run Before the finals All those game winners he hit He decimated the Lebronto Descimate the Pacers An entire country

Off a straight fadeaways He broke the Pacer's heart Decimated the Raptors Who did you play after that? Who did? Oh, the Celtics? Right. Game seven. Humble to Celtics.

There's this iconic photo of one of the Morris twins, holding LeBron by his shoulders, just, like, putting all his weight on his back to try to stop him from getting to the cup, and he still scored. And he still finished that bitch. I was crazy. Yeah. He gave fans, he gave every single Eastern Conference fan torment,

straight pain that year. Ah, but it didn't matter because Kevin Durant is weak. Sorry. Unbelievable. I'm just kidding Okay 2020 LeBron Is this A?

I think he's got to be A LeBron was still great in 2020 Like he really hadn't slowed down He was that back then Bro his defense was crazy in 2020 Yeah he was putting Probably year Yeah

Yeah I remember he locked up Kauai and Paul George In the same goddamn possession dude Yeah Ridicrous Frank Vogel had him bought And he was trying hard on defense

again he was energized for getting 80 next to him after he suffered a year playing with children he was all in he tried to win MVP finished second great year yeah he got that shot to the goat man giving us lifetimes of memories next up current day LeBron 2023

oh man this is Z D D come on he was just hurting the playoffs last year he's not D he can't play a full season without getting didn't hurt anymore. He's an old man. He can't stay healthy. Come on. Fair enough. Come on. I'm not putting him down to D though. He's still a 30 point per game score when he's healthy. Obviously, as an old man, you got to hope he stays healthy like you said, but he's still incredible. He's corny on

Instagram now. He goes, he goes for, oh my gosh. He goes to the record. I can just imagine the edit for this, Isaac. The Bart Simpson, me. Oh, but listen. LeBron, and he showed it the entire playoffs that he can't play a complete game. He's either going to give you the first half or the second half. But he's going to get tired because he's old. His foot was hurt this year in the playoffs. I'm not going to hold that against him. He was doing it the whole year.

No, he wasn't. He was averaging 30 before he got hurt. Listen, he went for the record and then what happened? What happened after he got the record? That's what happened. He fucking. No, no, no, no. No, no.

Not the game's after. The same game. The same game He had Russell Westbrook on his team He didn't have a will to live He couldn't beat the Oklahoma City Thunder At home after he went for the record Because he gave all his energy

For that one night Russell Westbrook was poisoning his life He had all draining every night This man is old It's D tier We're comparing him against himself It's D tier Lebron He was paying him Patrick Beverly

DTier Lebron And Westbrook No D tier is crazy Do you're insane No we're going to see How quickly they forget How quickly they forget How quickly they were going to get?

We're going to see. He got swept. By the Yokic. He got sweat. He can't win a game? He made the conference finals. He can't win a game? This is crazy.

No, no, no, no. You guys act like they were getting blown out every game. And it's like, oh, it's the nuggets. They were in every game. And he couldn't get it done because he was old. Because he was injured. We've been over this. And he's injured because he's old.

And because he's injured, because he's injured, he can't do certain things. Guys, come on now. Come on. We said C, not S. Like, it's not like he was crazy. Come on now. So this is F, T. LeBron.

Oh, my God. Got slipped. Bro, hated himself out of his chair. I did. You handed too close to the son. This is D. LeBron. Nick, Q, you can bring up all the stat you want.

I don't care. Watch the games. He's not the same. He's not the same. It's D.T. LeBron. That's hilarious. Oh, no. He only average 30 for the year.

What a fucking bone. Stop that. Oh, God. Coward. All right, that's the tier list. You have the two nights. That's a great clip. That's fantastic.

That's fantastic. What is the context of this photo? Please. I was told him to be an intern. It says it right there. That's what I'm saying I was the chosen Intern I was chosen to be an intern I was one of I was yeah

Sports Illustrated hired me three years ago And I was disgusting dog And I was hype And then I photos out of the biggest jersees I've seen in my life Where'd you get that from? Fakingst Jersey The joke is real It's real

Yes Show me the receipt Let's launch an investigation Next video we're going to do That's hard We're going to do an NBA spelling beat. Thank you. All right.

I'm going to go out, guys. Listen, we already know. Mo's had some spelling issues before we came on to the pod. I have no faith in him right now. Let's go ahead and doubt me. I've been dead of my whole life. Let's do it. First player.

Off the top. Janice Antenacumpo. Mo, you first. Okay, cool. G-I-N-N-N-I-S. Okay. A-N-T-E-T-O-U-K-O. Wrong.

What? You're wrong. Donovan, you want to steal? I'm going for the steal. All right. G-I-A-N-N-I-S. Okay. A-N-T-E-T-T-K-O-U-U.

M-P-O you missed an O in there A-N-T A-N-T I'm Mr. O You missed a O K-O-U-N-N-M-P-O Worse than me, give me my point. Nah, this hurts, it hurts. You're so close. Listen, I lost my third grade spelling bee, just like this. This one's worse.

This one's worse. I never even made it in the top 50 of my spelling bee in school. I misspelled coyote It haunts me to this day I'll never forget it Next up Donovan, your word Pat Conerton

Hey man How well do you know White culture Okay, let's see All right PAT Pat Okay

All right Fair start C-O N-N I can't remember if it's an A are you we're gonna go a okay is there a you okay okay uh c-o-n-n-n-a-u-n-a-u-h-t-o-n-a-u-h-t-t-o-n-h-t-o-n-h-t-o-n that's correct

wow shout out to you shout out to you because i was going to get that shit come on mo you clutched up mo your next word dwayne wade duane oh his name is his first name is spelled weird this shit

yeah i know so d w a yeah i knew it can i steal go ahead and still go in still donovan dw y a n e

w a d a d e W-A-D-E. Yeah. Second point for Donovan. Okay. I'm here. I'm here. I'm an intellectual.

All right. You respect me as such. Respect me as such. You got that one. Donovan. You're best smelling so hard. He's fucking sweating. No.

It's getting hot in here. That's great. He's taking this to heart. He's fucking focused. The third reading he was fighting for your life. right now. I love it. This is therapy. I'm trying to heal my inner child. All right. What's the next?

Donovan. Your word? Victor Wimanjama. Amen. All right. V-I-C-T-O-R. K. W-E-M-B-A. Correct. N?

Y-A-M-A. damn point for donovan i was ready to i'm like that i'm like that okay understand that i was ready to yank that thing from you like that pause okay mo whoa whoa for the yank you whoa i see mo's back yeah your word judah wadanabi okay okay Y-U-A Correct W- Okay, let me

Okay, cool W-A-T-A N-A-B-I Ah, you fumbled at the one-yard line N-A-B-E N-A-B-E? Oh, my bad.

Yeah, you follow the bitch, I love it, I love it. Isaac's the feds, he's with me. That's hilarious Donovan Your word Marjan Beauchamp

Okay This is a crazy one Oh he's fucked M-A-R-J O-N Correct The J is capital You should have specified

But I'll let you slide Okay cool And then Bo-Champ is B-E-A-U C-H-A-M-P Oh, another point for Donovan!

Wow! Listen, I know how people spell it down here. I know how, listen, it's Texas and Louisiana. I know how they spell it. They'd be doing the little Lasker, they'd be doing the little French thing. I mean sweats. This is the chosen intern right here.

Come on now. I'm here. Mo, your word, Chamezi Metu. And we can move on to this one. this one either. Okay.

So C-H Come on, this is a podcast. What did you say? E. Damn, I should have said I. Fuck. Donald, you want to try?

Yeah. All right, let me see if I can spell this guy's name. All right. C-H-I-M-E-Z-E. C-H-H-E. H-I-M-E-Z-I-E A-E-T-U

Got it, got it, got it. Failure. Donovan, your word? Justin Champany. Who? I just, I just saw... He's on the Spurs.

I just saw how to spell his name. Oh, that boy, nice. Okay. Okay. J-U-S-T-I-N. I just saw his last name. Oh, my goodness. goodness okay um champagne is uh c h a m p a

a it's not p a um um g yes n i e I'm kidding, that's right Wow Nailed it

Wow, that was That was one of the most Thank you I have a degree Okay I have a degree I'm proud of Mo's getting stopped out

He is not the chosen intern Next up Mo Mo your word Is Furcon Corkmas Corkama's. Okay. F-U-R-K-A-N.

Correct. And then K-O-R-K-M-A-Z. Mo got one. He's on the board. I'm a freak for looking for knowing how to spell that one because I look at stats all the time. What? Why? I don't know, bro.

Don't ask me. I'd be up at 2 a. I'm looking at the weirdest shit on basketball-purpose. Don't ask me, man. I like how you threw the in-bassel reference at the end of that. That was a very necessary part of the sentence. Last word, Donovan. Your word is Dirk Novitsky.

Oh, my God. That's the last word? Okay. Yes. Fire the commissioner. What the fuck? D-I-R-K N-O-W-I

T ZKI Correct Sixth point for Don This is the biggest stomp out I've ever seen 6 to 1 Mo any closing statements

Do never be able to spell like me You never be able to spell Read a book Now I'm playing Anyway This is rigged That was hard You have all the names in front of you

whole time he's fucking cheating I call an investigation something else love it next video we're going to do Donovan I think you have some signature shoes to show us let's get into this bag man yeah I don't know if you all have seen it

but Devin Booker's signature shoe got leaked yesterday and we have some thoughts so we're doing a whole video about rating signature shoes so it should be good Rate these NBA signature shoes from 1 to 10 Okay, okay All right, so the first one we got We have the Austin Reeves 1

Austin Reeves has a shoe Yep Oversey That's why man first off LA hype is crazy man I gotta get past I mentally I have to get past that part first But once I look at the shoe itself

It's solid Kind of looks like a Dway's shoe I don't hate it This looks no it looks like a bootleg Steph Curry shoe that's yeah he's bright in that style and that's not the shoe you want to bootleg either no it is not what is that target on the side it's kind of dope but i gotta know what it means maybe for ar 15 it's a target yeah for literally a r which is kind of nasty i don't think he's done

enough in his career to have that on his shoe and i think having on his shoe is at least right there it's kind of corny it should have been in the back that would have been hard oh yeah the back would have been sick i'll give this uh i'll give this a five it's a decent shoe Honestly, I wouldn't say it's like a We're gonna see worse So this is solid shoe What company is this? Not that bad

I have no idea It's a Chinese company though Ah It probably is answer though Alright next you We got these throwbacks These Grant Hill Phila's From the mid-1990s

Man See back in the day These were hard But in 2023 These are disgusting These are not even These are not even Should not be even Google in my mind.

These look like a Mr. Clean dry eraser. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. You get a, listen, if you get like a Philo tech suit situation going on, these would be kind of hard. If I see you and Fila dripped out from head to toe, I'm going to have questions.

If I see you with Fila, Fila and dripped out head to toe, I'm assuming you switch careers. Donovan, you have became a dry cleaner. These are the perfect dry cleaning shoes Super comfy Get around the house Sparkly clean

You gotta keep them Them bitches clean as hell Or else Now these are some stompers If Draymond green Hit DeMontis abonis with that move With these on We would not have a DeMontas a bonus anymore

Yeah He'd be in prison Manslaughter A soul with a deadly weapon I'll give him a five too They were good in their day I'm not going to hold them too much No one is wearing these anymore.

I think casually you could try to wear them, but maybe that gives us like a six. These are like decent if they're a low top. Oh, no, no. If you make these low top, then you get those white girl shoes that everybody was wearing three years ago. Yeah, I was thinking about.

You're a TikToker dressed like Addison Ray. All right, next one. Next one, another throwback, the mic, the guy, another throwback, the Jordan 13, he got games. Hard Classic I don't think the 13

I don't think the 13 silhouette Is good enough to be like a 10 I give like an 8 or 9 This is definitely an all-time color way These are beautiful And the fact that you hate on 13s in any way Is despicable These are a 10

I don't hate on them They're just not like top tier Js I mean they kind of look like a mattress It's not my fault I didn't tell you to wear your grandma's couch on your shoes It's not my fault Come on now We're hating on greatness right

They're definitely not one of the best retroes, but they are easily, of course, like, iconic. They're the last, they're one of the last rituals that people actually care about. What do the 14s look like? No one knows. That 14s are better than 13s. I'm not going to like. Wow. What?

Ferrari, Ferraris? That's crazy. Ferrari 14s are hard. Stop that. No. Ductape his mouth, please. Y'all are sleep on the Ferraris. I'll give this a solid date.

Please. No, next topic. Next shoe. Next shoe. I'm upset. The lamello ball ones. Hard. I like them.

It's kind of Kyrie-esque. I like the color. It fits lamello. I'll give it a good eight. I agree with the eight. These are also very good. I just bought them. They performed well as well, but I got them in the all-white color way.

These are fired. How many points you're dropping them? That's the first question. What's up? How many points are dropping those? Twelve. That was just an honest answer. Game to 15 in the game to 15.

Yeah, these are hard. They describe mellow perfectly. The midtops are fire. Overall, these are hard 10 out of 10. The mellow, you bring you Puma back to life. We got these Trey Young twos. These are ugly.

I don't like these. These look long as hell. The mesh doesn't work for me with that thick-ass soul. It just looks real like mid-2000s. It looks like a little bit of a lot of it. I feel like the tight. Ted toe is trying to, like, move around, like, poke out like a turtle's that. I don't know what it is.

Those souls are just, they just look mad bubbly. It's just weird. I don't like it. I don't like it. You know the guy from Dispickable Me that's wearing like the track suit? Yes. He would wear these. These are vector shoes.

On the court, I feel like these will probably be a 10. Love the color way. I love the flexibility. I'm capping on my ass. These are, I'm a much for trade, but I'm not going to. I don't Okay Don't ask me to explain it

But these give me the same vibe As the movie I robot Hmm I'm just No I'm gonna need you to explain that one I'll see you I can't All right

Fair enough next Next next you We got the Russ We got the Russell Westbrook Why Not Zero Point one These are horrible This is like a worst version

Of the one of those Jordans That had that strap on the top The 20s The 20s yeah This is a worst version are the Jordan 20s, which are already not good. This is awful. Why is this happening?

It's a cow. I don't know what I'm looking at. This is like, this is like Zion's terrible shoe, mixed with Jason Tatum's terrible shoe, mixed with Lucas' terrible shoe, mixed with the worst Jordan ever. This is not a solid shoe.

He looks like, the design team should be on unemployment right now. But you made these all black. These are something Batman would wear. Like, this is crazy. Yeah, like, you have to be under the sewers to be wearing these, bro. No way you're wearing these. They got a tire on the back.

Like, what is this? You have a spare tire in the back. You got your ventilation in the back for your heel. What is going on here? They say, give me that Jeep shoe, tire on the back. Yuck. Zero. I hate these.

This is gross. Yeah, I don't know where to start. This is all just, this was like the worst part of every other shoe you can think of combined into one. You know what I think is, this is a best of Westbrook. This is a swole-ass shoe. shoe. This is a swall of buff motherfucker wears. That's true. That's true. All right. Next one.

Brolic ass shoe. We have the KD. 14s. These are cool. This is cool. This is a high. This colors looking like some hieroglyphs. This is dope. This is the shoe of a man who just tore his Achilles. That is exactly what this is. That pad on the back is so OD. It is so just big. And I, I can't, I can't get behind that. It's just, it's like a six for me. I like it

It's definitely like A tron-ass looking shoe But I like it The colors work for me I like the ridges on the back I'll give it a 7 Listen man I'm a fool for throwback

The strap reminds me To the KD4 teams And I'm with it All Or the KD4s And I'm with it all It's hard I give it like a solid 7

For sure Salt 7 8 I wouldn't wear these on the court But for vibes These are definitely like solid Respectively Yeah the midsole is the worst part But I like them

Yeah This shoe has had so much potential for sure for sure okay we have we have two more we have two more and I'm about to send them right now this one we have the we have the Anthony Edwards one man where do I begin this fucking is this is awful by the way I'll start there um well what do you think mo i don't even know how to talk about this this is this is awful but you got to look at it through a different lens and when you do get on some acid this looks hard no you're right if i take a step back close my left eye close the right eye look after that lens it's still

terrible this exactly with these this mesh is too much i can see through the shoe i can see through i could scrub the grimy as shit off of my pan that's it's just uncomfortable bro that whole mesh it looks like it looks like the mesh at the bottom of a urinal like this that's not good i don't i don't wrong we got we need justice for anthony edwards he has to have a better shoe i feel like i can grate some cheese on it and get a nice even shred i'll make some bomb nachos with these shoes this shoe slick looks like the old dames i forget which ones they are but they look like some old dames but the mesh thing is just not it bro it kind of looks hard the shape of it is hard but damn how much

feasibility does aunt need just keep me saying like that facts no it looks like a football that's accurate okay the Devin Booker ones man these are Air Force wans

these are horrible thank you oh my goodness these are terrible thank you no I knew Devin Booker has a Mexican in him this shoe shows it this is this is terrible he's stomping around the schoolyards look like my cousins

bro there's no way helies don't pop out of the shoe bro every skater on the block are wearing these bro he's putting up for the skating community this shoe is for you

he tried to mix an Air Force one and a Nike Cortez and just said let me play basketball in them and that's what we got facts this is for the kids

that really love Travis Scott probably have an Edgar haircut eat a lot of hot chitos is for you brother there's someone there's someone who you're literally describing and they're like hey feel attacked

oh bro what do you mean way you know all right that's all we got awesome yeah those shoes we got okay

one more video we got we're going to do which NBA player has more Instagram followers ooh I'm going to I'm all about my clout. All right.

So which NBA player has more Instagram followers? Jason Tatum or Trey Young? I'm going Jason Tatum. Tatum, easy. I'm going Jason Tatum. Easy?

Kids love Trey Young. Kids love Trey Young, but like the mass media for real don't love training like that is Tatum. He's on the Celtics. Tatum. That's a good bump. All the cookies.

just failed follow him man what he's handsome yeah he's on he's got deuce too he went to duke yeah i'm going jason tayton it's rap yeah the the duke boost is useful trey young has five million jason tatum has 6.4 yeah yeah knew that knew that next up lamello ball or lonso ball oh it has to it has to be loneso it has to be loneso it has to be loneso came out first he was first on the scene has to be lonso he did but i think that Lamello has Stick to your answer. You can't switch

on my side. Lonzo. Okay, I'm not switching to you're wrong. It's Lamello. Listen, I'm coming from where you wop my ass

during that stuff. Lamello's been more, Lamello has been more active, especially since Lanzo's knee has like, as, you know, ever since he's gotten hurt, Lamello's been just,

he's been great. How's the highlights has pushed him like crazy? That is true. But that Lovar ball propaganda was generational and that stirred up a lot easily lamello easily loneso i'm taking lubello did the work of jesus man he was crazy

lamello has 10 million lonso has 17.4 17 17 17 million followers that's la bar ball's work that's crazy shit hey shut on lavar ball ball ball big ball of brand took over the country when lonsor came out he was a phenomenon exactly bro i was watching the the reality show ball in the family I was tuned in bro Lonzo was so famous he had Magic Johnson wondering if he's better than himself

God that's so crazy man Magic Johnson was like listen I was nice but this Lonzo kid he's different side bro and he just His first NBA game ever he gets a bitch Magic you say that by like two points

Ugh Alright next up Kobe Bryant or Steph Curry Hey man Come on This is hard but it has to be Kobe I'm not trying to do this Yeah

I don't know Cope Cope we'll go We'll go Kobe Curry is curry But I think It has to be Kobe Now this is this is such a nasty

Matchup Why I feel like One of them's dead What do you mean? Why? Yeah exactly What is that going to do

With anything? No man That has a lot That's a rude There's some weird Like media push Like whenever an artist Pass away or whatever

like they just gain in it like everything just connects yeah like people are going to unfollow Kobe like what are you talking about it has to be Kobe anyways it doesn't even matter Kobe has 21 curry has 53 million you set a dead man up how do you feel oh my god how do you feel how would you say you're like I called them you're like I called them you're like I slurred him up because I said curry's more famous come on now we should never did this in the first place

he's mad is so offended don't do that oh my god these are Instagram followers I'm not that deep oh god hijacked the TikTok getting about to cry

he's been to shut a tear I can't keep it together and it's great we're talking about Instagram followers. He's fucking reminiscing. You set him up. Set him up for losing

Instagram competition. Bro. Listen. Steph has had three more years to get Instagram followers over Kobe. You think Steph gained 35 million followers in three years? He would have won

a matter what it's. Kobe never had the opportunity. That's all he wanted. All he wanted was the opportunity to compete. And you are putting him in a situation where can't do that and now we're up here sitting sitting here talking about Kobe in this life you are the

most dramatic person to ever walked up on the first place he was never even about clout in the first place he was just about putting your head down and working shut the fuck out you're talking about clout about Instagram power bro it's crazy I got him cry goes against his being oh my god all right man clout it's crazy this is nuts Anthony Edwards or Alex Caruso Ant's better But like Caruso's white

And so I feel like White America He's white He's white pussy's in LA As a fan I feel like White America has embraced him Like he plays

LA Like the frat bros The frat boys have to love Caruso His jerges are doing numbers His jersey is going Triple Platinum In them frat parties

bro No Alex Caruso's hood Definitely represents him Yeah Loud and proud bro i'm gonna go i'm gonna go caruso right now caruso

alice caruso has 1.5 million followers anthony edwards has one million yep caruso damn man get your cloud up man it's because he's in minnesota podcast can you come to new york fax

next one Luca donchich or jordan pool it has to be luca has the international pool yeah Have you seen the Golden State fan base? The guy Andrew Wiggins at All-Star Shorter. That was the K-pop fans right there.

I'm going to be Luca. The international pool is crazy. His IG looks phenomenal. He don't even run his IG, bro. He'd be posting some crispy pics every other day over there. It has to be Luca. I feel like after the Hookah Dantius incident, following went up, skyrocket. All right, it's Luca Dantz.

I just thought I got you the trick one. Jordan pooling has two million Lucas at eight Yeah damn That's a big half difference Yeah We ain't like that Next one

Austin Reeves or Rudy Gobert It has to be Rudy Austin has to be Rudy also He's had a nice run Right he might get there But Rudy Rudy's been around for For some time now

We gotta give him to dodge The overseas pool Is crazier than the LA pool So I gotta go You think France is mobilizing like that? Like they're just flocking to Rudy Gaubert's Instagram. France has the motion, for sure.

Rudy Gaubert has 833K. Austin Reeves has 940k. Yo, Rudy Gaubert is a lame. I tried to one time. He's a lame. I try, I try, I try, I try to give him credit in something. And you wonder why I clown him.

This man was in the G-League two months ago. And you can't do any. anything. You lame. You lame. That actually upsets me. Get your cloud up. Please. Don't have you cared so much about Instagram conversation. Please, get your clouter.

Do something. Oh my God. You're ruining my competition, Rudy. Damn. Oh, it wasn't one hell of a way to end the episode. That's all we got today. If you're still here, comment, Rudy Gobert is a lame. I want to see that in the comments. Please.

Let's get it. Comment Rudy Gaubert is lame And comment Donovan is dramatic I want to see both flooded I tell the truth I tell the truth Spam the likes Let's make you 2,000 likes

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