The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Power Forward In The NBA | Ep. 101

Episode Date: August 9, 2024

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Now that episode 100 is officially behind us. You know, we had to make a big deal out of it last week, do a whole bunch of different stuff. We can finally get back to the best part of the year. Week four of ranking season is upon us. And we have some comments past few weeks days. People were like, where's the power forward ranking? Where's the power forward ranking? Relax.

Exactly. Be patient. We're back with it today. Thirsty. We're going to rank the top 30 power forwards in the NBA. I've never seen a group of people so thirsty. Exactly. For a listicle of one of the.

weaker positions in the entire NBA y'all are nasty people need Kyle Kuzma Jonathan Isaac discourse that's what they want control yourself they're nasty I'm glad for it we're nasty year let's do this yeah like I said

top 30 power four is in the league we're week four of our position by position rankings last time we did this was small four or two weeks ago I think the best list so far that was the you know best combination of arguments plus actually good players in that list. It's probably because the power forward position today is

mostly small forwards. They're just like playing up a position. So we decide to not go off where people are listed, but go off of like what they are. You know, Jason Tatum's ass is not a power forward. Exactly. No one's going to be like, oh, Jason Teton one of the greatest power for the who is having those types of conversations? No one is. Exactly. And if we did if we did go by just listed position, power forward be fucking stacked. We have Jason Tatum, Kevin Durant, Carl and Anthony Towns. It would be crazy. But we're going off traditional who is the power forward. So it's a little bit light up top.

It's a very be for real type of list, you know. Yeah, exactly. I like that. So if you're watching on YouTube, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe. If an audio platform, rate five stars, leave a review. Check out the merch in the bio. Check out everything else related that I forgot to name.

Yeah, man, let's get to the top 30 power forwards in the league. The cranium is crazy. Oh my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters, rejoice. All right, man. As you guys know how we do this is, we go block by block, revealing five players at a time at each of our list,

starting from 26 through 30 and working our way up to the top five. So we're going to jump straight into it with the first block. That is my bottom five. Wow. So at 26, I have Obitopin. 27, I have Tari Yisen. 28, Jeremy Sohan. 29, Bobby Portis.

and 30, G.G. Jackson. Wow, Bobby Portis, 29. Oh, real quick, I forgot. People have been complaining that when we do these lists, we don't stay consistent of which order we read them off on. So, to be consistent, let's read it from the top to bottom of every rankings. So say the number 26 through 30. G.G. Jackson is this power for, for real?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hmm. He was the last second edition. At the last second, I put him on, and I removed Patrick Williams. Hmm. Okay. How do you feel about that?

Because I'm sure Patrick Williams on both of your guys' list. Do you guys have a problem with me leaving them off the top 30? No, I really don't. And I feel like... Good. I feel like a lot of our list a lot of times, right, we try to have the same criteria over and over and over again. And somehow it always gets shaken up.

The one thing for me that I will be consistent on, anybody from 26 to 30 if you get left off I don't care right this is exactly like borderline fringe starter in the league yeah and so if you think that this guy could be better served as a bench player a hundred percent like yeah I'm good with that Patrick Williams doesn't have to be top 30 that's fine with me no way is the only people who are going to be mad at is his family but outside of that we're good right we're okay bulls fans want to be mad at that not all of them They won't. Me for one hand.

I still have them. I still have hoping him. I still have a little bit of stocking him, especially with the Marta Rosen gone. Exactly, we're still wearing some more shit. But look, man. Your job is done. He got paid. Your job is done.

You don't have. Your PR is done. Exactly. He got the money. We don't have to lie in campaign for him anymore. You know, it was funny? Last year when we did this, I remember me and you had an argument on Patrick Williams that you were swearing that he was.

set up for failure and I was like he's the fourth option on a team with three creators what other role do you want for him he's not like that with a ball on his hands if he can't do well in that role he's just the okay NBA player which is fine and I still feel that way he is somewhere between the 27th and 31st best power forward in the league to me okay wait until you see the Josh Giddy effect and then watch how Josh Giddy goes ahead and unlocks his game I think he's fine if he ends up being 27 next year shout out you he can belong in this list that's fine but I looked at him versus G.D. Jackson, and I was like, you know, Patrick Williams is a little more proven. Obviously, Gigi Jackson is just a rookie. We'll see what he looks like playing meaningful baskets, meaningful minutes next to, you know, real teammates on like last year. But I'm like, if I'm having to pit between them, give me the upside of Gigi Jackson every single time.

The only gripe that I have is Jeremy Sohan being lower than Obie Tappen. Yeah, last year I would have agreed with you. I was very, very high on Jeremy Sohan. I still am. But I put, I have. I'm still high in his future potential, but I put him lower just because we saw him play next to Wembe this year, right? We saw him having to be a real supporting member next to a legit star already. And his lack of spacing really bothers me. He's going to be a really good defender, really versatile. The passing flashes, you know, he played point guard star last year.

That was abysmal. It wasn't his fault. Great Popovich was Wilden. He should have been the power forward, which he ended up being later in the year. I think his passing will prove to be valuable, but only when his shooting comes around. until then I really struggled to view him as like a super positive impactful offensive player so when I was comparing him to Obi Topin

for doing that one specifically bro he was eating with the Pacers we talked about last year actually I think on this episode maybe we were talking about Obitopin was like a diamond in the rough because the Knicks weren't using him right and he'd go to the Pacers and flourish that got shut down a little bit

because they ended up training for Siakun that relegated Obitopin to the bench but he was really effective like he was flying around in that pace and space air that space and pace I cannot talk pace and space style of play they're doing and i thought he was really impressive on both sides of the ball last year that's yeah that's that's fair um i'd still think like 26 is is a little bit too high and i mean

spoiler like obi top and he's in this range for me too but i do have him a little bit lower just because i think that obi and we've seen it twice and granted he's been behind like all mba players and randall and siakum but yeah yeah once you get you know like a solid power forward or real power forward his his style of play starts to be a little bit limited i feel like when obi's at his best when obi's at his best is in a very very specific situation of for sure hey we're just going to we're just going to run track out here and we're going to really really right be be very very very spaced out a very up and down style of basketball and if you aren't that where does obi top and fit into the rotation and so i that's fair and so i do think that he like he does

fit with the pacer so that is like best case scenario but if you talk about about the other 29 teams in the league or 28 if you count like Sacramento playing fast or whatever stuff like that then you kind of start seeing a drop off in a fit issue with him yeah he's a terrible rebounder which is probably pretty important for a power forward you're 610 yeah he's a terrible rebounder honestly the difference between the two of them granted this is probably dumb because it's a small sample size and not a high volume obi shot 40% from three and sohan shot 32% from three that's a pretty big deal to me when you're a power forward playing next to stars that's fair you need to build a space the floor especially when you're not a lot of

not, you know, top of the line elite defensively, even though Sohan is better defensively, he's not good enough to negate the spacing issues. That's kind of just, that's really it, the only deciding factor for me. If Sohan shot 38% from three, he'd be very high in this list. Yeah, that's fair. I think going back to what Donovan said, I agree with him, basically saying that Obitopin is more of a one-dimensional type player. He specifically fits his play style, specifically caters towards one or a few specific teams that he'll be super useful. But there's not a lot of situations where he's, he's like plug and play or like you know being being able to he's not like he's not

universal he's not a universal remote you know the cheap ass remotes you go to the dog you're to the dollar store for whenever you lose your main remote like i view jeremy so on as that when comparing him to obitopin obitopin he's like a roku he only does one thing you only have a few options i would so much rather have a roku's at a universal remote from five below i'd so much rather have a roku also rogu is mad channels like well this is okay hold on. I'm out of the Roku game a little bit, right? I haven't done it. You fumbled the analogy, but I see your point. I get it.

That's a fair point. Last time I touched Roku was like 2014, bro. And back then it was only like four or five options. What do you rock with? What do you have now? What do you use? I'd just be on Hulu and YouTube. That's it. All right, I got a conversation for another day.

Let's move on the next I'll just curious. I'll just curious. Mo, who's your bottom five? So at 26, we have Tobias Harris. He can shoot. going to put up 15 points per game and I think he's going to just be valuable to the Detroit Pistons 27 Tori Easton nice 28 Rory Hachimura nice 29 obitopin and 30 grant Williams donovan you look like you're about to throw up what's up I mean no I mean honestly everything is cool

with me Tobias at 26 is like come that's so low like really I thought I was low on him putting him in the 20s or I don't remember where I have him but I'm hired this obviously this is so low I can't wait to see who you have above him. You guys just don't understand how much he irritated me. Putting up zero points and being not effective as he was and not doing anything. He's like, O.B. Topping with no bounce. What's the fun in that now? You know?

Okay. He can. Guys. You don't have to do this to Tobias. I understand. No, I got to defend Tobias Harris. Exactly. Exactly.

You are defending Tobias Harris right now. You are doing it. You're on camera. You got like four cameras. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Tobias Harris Defender. We'll see who you have above him,

but I imagine I'm going to be defending Tobias Harris a little bit in this conversation. Tobias Harris, I do not feel bad at all, but he's going to ball out in Detroit. Rui is very low. You know, you listen. I will be the first one to tell you I'm not the biggest Rue Hachamora fan. Apparently I'm a bigger fan of him than you are because I have him a little bit higher than this. I'm not as hard to stand to when he comes to Rui, because, like, I see his value in, like, ball handling, and he can, at times be, like, a three-level

score somewhat consistently, but the defense really just kills me at the end of the day. Like, it's a whole other side of the court where it's like, okay, you can't be big and struggle on that end. Yeah. I see. Somebody's hair is 26 is so funny. There must be some hilarious names above him. Okay.

You got Grant Williams on there? Okay. Yeah. Shout out Grant Williams. 30, the best power forward. Let's see who Donovan has All right At 26 I have Tari Aeson

27 I have Gigi Jackson 28 I have Patrick Williams 29 I have Nicoliovich And then at 30 I have Obitopin Okay So we're all pretty much locks up with Tori Eason I like that Tar Eason is so good man

I need him I don't think this is ever going to happen On the Rockets But I need him to get high level starter minutes I don't know It's not going to be possible I don't think

But Jabari Smith Jr. already being there It's tough because he should be a starter for someone Yeah, for sure. And that's why I feel the same way with him, that I feel with Yovic, that I feel with Gigi. I just want them to get more playing time. Like I like these guys. They're very productive. We just need to see their minutes go up. And for Tari, this is, we're going into year three. And for the last two off seasons, everyone has been like, yo, like Tari Easton, he's really the guy out there in Houston. Like he's so good. He's so this. But like Isaac said, he just hasn't had the opportunity because Houston, they're about to be in a very, critical situation in their rebuild where you have to start making decisions you have to start you have a whole bunch of guys that a lot of people like and you need to start saying okay you're part of the future you're part of the future and you're part of the future your young core can't be nine people deep it just it just can't so maybe if tar eisen go somewhere else

he can have like an obit topping type of thing where he was kind of stashed away on the nix you go to a team that that fits your play style a little bit more you shine a little bit more but he definitely just needs more playing time and that's it yeah and i think he has a much higher extent than it'll be top in too like he could be like top like he could be like 15 16 on this list if he has opportunity like he's really good he's such an active defender like his percentages of steel percentage and block percentage are so high they just don't have the volume for it to really shine in like d p oi conversations or anything like that yeah and not to say he should be in d p oi conversations but you know like in terms of activity as a defender he is up there like it's it's like

diet diet john isa yeah i i i i feel for him because i see the talent just like you guys as well but also i see the other guys ahead of him on that roster and i'm just like it's kind of inexcusable to start you know torre easton alongside bar or over barri for now in this moment this year yeah listen after after the rookie year it was looking like tar eason was better but jibari you know obviously he's higher on this list for all of us he really bounced back last year so weird situation going on there. Not even just for Tarisian. There's a lot of players there that are going to be weird situations pretty soon. Yeah, exactly. Such an interesting position. You have

Nicole Yovitch lower than we do. I think we'll wait until we see where we rank him to really dive into that. I actually didn't rank him at all. I didn't. So just to make it clear, didn't rank G.J. Jackson, because then I don't know in my mind, he's just more of a three naturally was that in college. So I'm just like, okay, I'm sticking, I remember him as that. But Nikola Yovitch, I'm, we can move on and I want to hear your, hear your thoughts on that, I think. Okay, tell me why you know that you just have 30. No, just go ahead. Why is Obie Topping and Grant Williams better than Yovitch?

I have no real argument. You think I've sat down and had Obitopin and did Yovic conversations in my head? Like, I know I misused my time, but not that much. Like, that's crazy. Damn. All right, man. Next year, Donovan. Tell us your 21 through 25.

All right. At 21, I have John Collins. 22. I have Rui. 23. I have Sohan. 24, I have Jabari Smith. Jr. and at 25 after Doreenny Smith. Wow. Oh, okay. Shout out John Collins. He's been so under

talking about this past year because he got shunned away to Utah to be forgotten about. But he had a pretty solid year. He's playing center a lot of time. It was interesting. That's John Collins's entire career. He's just solid, right? Like he's just cool. And he's never going to be a guy where you look at him and you're like, yeah, that's a top 10 power forward in the league. But he's also not bad. He can go into a lot of situations and give them serviceable minutes. But like you said, the only thing that we remember him from last season is getting yammed on and getting concussed by Anthony Edwards. And it's, and it sucks.

It's just, he just wasn't a good fit for, you know, for Tray Young and the Hawks and everything like that. I think that kind of hinders his ceiling to where I don't know, I don't know what the legitimate like best situation for John Collins would be. And so because I can't see that, I don't know if you can ever get into like top 15 conversations, but you can definitely be top of the, I guess, third tier

in the league. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, him and next to Rui Hachimori Moore is interesting. Like, I'm glad he's at top of this tier. This makes sense to me. Like, I guess I can view them similarly. Like, I'd definitely rather have John Collins, I think. Dorian Finney spent the 25 is interesting. I feel like a few years ago

when he was with Luca, who'd been ranked a lot higher. I loved him. Yeah. Last year he was just running around with no passers to set him up. Yeah, he can, again, can get higher on this list but his his style of play really really needs him to have a creator next to him setting him up for for threes and listen fake basketball was going on in brooklyn and so whenever whenever that happens everybody everybody takes a takes a hit in terms of like what your perception is how basketball is just played like you just don't play great basketball

and then if you get into a more winning situation you get put in better position so it's not his fault he can vault up here if he gets you know traded to another contender like that but yeah no this even ben simmons this year is going to be a movie oh my god did you just say ben simmons listen again three like two three years ago ben simmons with with uh during finney smith like that's that's good perimeter defense right there promising but things change like that so yeah tough man could you imagine ben simmons it'll worked out like random but like if they would have had ben simmons macaille bridges during finney smith cam johnson like with a good Ben Simmons that would have been so cool

it's so good that would have been nasty that would have been a legitimate like bare minimum play in team in my mind because the defense is just that insane but especially out east yeah but RIP looks like a Mo's five

okay so I have during Finney Smith Jr. I have him way higher just because I think he's so he's playable in any situation imaginable and I give him credit to that our credit for that 22 John Collins 23 Jabari Smith, Jr.

Now I'm looking back at, looking back out, I feel like I should have had a Meyer. 24 is my guy, Pat Williams. I never, never changed on your guys. 10 toes for Pat Will. Yeah, 10 toes down. Never switch up. Only the family.

Pat will. Only the family. So immediate reactions 25, yeah, Bobby Portis, I don't think you said that one Oh yeah, 25 Bible Portis, cool Okay I don't really have, I'll just reveal my next five Because this is a rather

Unexciting tier So I think we have to see them all to really discuss the differences Yeah, okay My next five I got Rue Hachamora at 21 John Collins of 22 which I should flip that now I don't know why I did that 23 in Koliovich

24 Grant Williams And 25 Dorian Finney Smith okay you have Grant Tobias Harris and Great Williams your record is looking Okay listen

The Tobias one I'm with Isaac on that The Grant Williams one Eh Listen Do you guys Are you guys thinking about Grant Williams the player

Or you think about Grant Williams the yapper Because if we're thinking So much of his perception Is colored by him being annoying and having terrible PR It wasn't that long ago He was a very viable role player

For the Celtics And he got to the Hornets last year, and I know most of people weren't watching the Hornets, he played a lot better. He was fucking terrible for the Mavericks, was everything they didn't need from the power forward position. But before then and after then, he was perfectly fine. He was Grant Williams. I'm not going to pretend that Rui Hachimora is like miles ahead of him.

Like these guys are in the same tier. All right. You got it. Listen, listen, if you want Greg Williams on team, say that, right? That's fine. I wouldn't mind if it was on my team. It was a solid four. It's like a stretch four with some.

a switchable defense like he's not bad yeah now mind you I'm not going to hear with my own two eyes and say that I've been locking in on shortly on the last 20 games of Charlotte Hornets basketball I haven't done that and I would say 95 95% of America hasn't been doing that as well so you're one of the year 5%

he average 13.9 points 5 rebounds 3.2 assists 37% from 3% on 2s he was kind of a bucket with the hornet he had a lot of games He had like 27. Of course he was. Somebody had to score points there and he was the one.

Okay. He's fine. He's cool. He's a very serviceful player. Like you compare him to, I don't know, let's look at Nicole Jovich and have right next to him. Is Nicole Jovich that much better?

Like, he's interesting. He has good passing. Like, they're similar. Again, we're having Nicole Iovitch versus Grant Williams' debates.

And I think that, I think that like on the surface, it's a very silly argument. I think if you go a little bit, deeper it really is just about fit and like what you want on a on a team yeah which is fine like i'm banking on for yovitch i'm really just banking on potential i think that with with if you give yovich grant williams minutes right maybe maybe he can thrive a little bit more if you give yovitch charlotte hornet situation where there's nobody on the team and he's like hey go go out there and

cook let's see let's see if yovic can get to you know 13 14 points yeah yeah honestly i'm not thinking that hard about Charlotte Hornets for Graham Williams like I said that was nonsense I'm thinking back to Celtic Grant Williams where he was a very solid he was like we applauded the Mavericks for going and getting him like it was like oh it's a good get he's a good role player and it was a disastrous 25 30 games

where he looked horrible and nobody on the team liked him take away that 30 games where Luca Donchage hated him and Grant Williams is solid there is a fat ass fly I'm not going to argue with you about this I'm not going to do it you got it you got it oh who else we got uh i go so you guys had jabari smith jr at 23 and 24 i have him higher why is he still so low for you guys why is he below dwayne finney smith for you mo and why is he below john collins for you

donovan you want to go mow or i'm so stuck on grand leums i'm sorry bro you guys he's just fucking grossed out you said no one's gonna argue about it i would but let's not hold the people up i don't want to kill our watch time grand williams discourse let's go all right i'll go I just think Jabari has another level that he can, I'm still, I'm still really high on Jabari, like, as a prospect and somebody who can like really, really be like a legitimate impact player. I just think he hasn't gotten there. So I think for me, it's just a product of expectation where I really, really want him to, to take the leap forward. And it hasn't happened. He now, he was much better last year than he was in his, in his rookie season.

Like he did improve a lot, and I do want to give him credit for that. But yeah, I actually don't know why. I don't know who I would take if it was if it was Jabari and John Collins. Looking at this, I know I would take like Jabari Smith Jr. for sure over him. And now obviously looking back at what I just said, I would move Smith higher on this list. I think again, like what you said, Donovan, expectations have a little bit to do with this. This dude, Delano Magic a couple years ago, we're blowing hell of smokescreen saying, we want Jabari Smith Jr.

Rapala Bankero, who's obviously like one of the 10 best power forwards in the entire NBA, obviously a lot higher than that, but I'm going to believe about that. So I think with Jabari Smith Jr., I look at his game, the defense is the most, is the thing that stands out the most, and also his ability to stretch the floor and his potential to continuously grow in putting the ball on the floor. John Collins, the reason why he's so limited and so weird is because, like, he's not a natural ball handler at all. he can catch that bitch shoot it defend try to at least and get rebounds but gibberish sims junior he's just

valuable in every single situation imaginable meanwhile john collins like you have to pick and choose and you have to pick and choose your spots with him and how you envision like overall roster construction so i would definitely have him higher and yeah i'll definitely have him higher for sure yeah i don't really think jubari should ever be like a star i don't have any stock in his like long-term upside but I think he'll be a very good defender not a great one ever never gonna be like all defense game wrecking shot block or anything but he's like a very good plug-in-play defender that's gonna like play good team defense and help hide the weaknesses of a singoon or whatever and be a just smart rotations half size he can switch onto wings like a kevin durant while still moving his

feet a little bit against twos if he gets switched on stuff like that like very versatile solid above average defender in many ways and last year the biggest difference offensively is a three-point shot came along. He shot the same from the rim, but shot 4% better from midrange, 10% better from the corner and 5% better on non-corner 3s. And that makes a big difference for a guy you're expecting to play complimentary basketball next to a damner All-Star and Sangoon. So if you think about that, players who have above average defense, it's called a B plus and can hit an open three while having a little bit talent running in transition and doing all the other stuff, that's a very good player. Yeah, I would have him higher. I think he definitely deserves

be probably like maybe 19, push and 17 for sure. Yeah, I don't remember where I put them, but I have him somewhere around there. Yeah. Is there anybody else in this year we should discuss? No, we're good. I think we're good. Shout out to Rue Hachimura. It's going to be the fastest top 30 list ever.

It really is. All right, man. We'll just, we'll see. The top 50, top 20, Mo, who is your 16 through 20? Ooh, okay, so 16 through 20. Starting at number 16, we have Kyle Kuzma, 17. We have Kaminga, 18, PJ, Washington, 19. I read like Jeremy Sohan for some reason.

I don't know why. But at 20, we have Jaris Walker, projecting like a motherfucker. What the fuck? Jaris Walker. That's Jerry. I saw Walker. That's Jarius Walker. Again.

The bad who played 10 minutes per game last year. Again, I ride for my guys. I'm there in solidarity with you, Jared's Walker. The Indiana Matt and Star? Yes, the G-League stud. The G-League genius. Jaris Walker, bro. Oh my gosh.

Did you see what he did in Summer League? This past summer league. Yes, man, I got all my fucking Jarz Walker. A couple weeks ago, we deemed your placement of Jalen Green in the top 10 to be the worst placement on a TD3 rankings list ranking so far this year. I think you have up, did you, Yvah, you have one-uped yourself by putting Jarris Walker in your top 20. This is the worst ranking so far this summer.

No, no, no, no. But hear me out. It's different because Jaran Walker is actually good. And we all know this. There's no denying his skill. We all know this I agree I'm a very big Jaris Walker fan

I 100% I'm with you in spirit In the spirit of the pick I'm with you I love Jaris Walker I would probably rather have him Over the guys below this list But he also played 10 minutes per game last year And did nothing to earn a spot in the top 20 So I don't think I can be with you

In the actual ranking in reality 20 I would have him I wish I was gonna put him higher bro I always could put him higher He said fuck you John the Camingo, I want Jaris Walker. Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying?

No, no, no. I put Camingo up there. Move along, coos. I put Coos up there higher, respect, Camingo, respect. PJ Washington just went to the final respect. Take respect out of it. You're building a team right now.

Camingo or Walker. Camingo or Walker? For next season. I have Cominga higher for a reason. Okay, before that. Are we ranking for next season? Or rank on what we saw last season? Because that's a difference here if you're if this whole list was projecting for next season This would be fine. I'll be with you. But every other the other 29 spots is like you ranked on what you saw last year and then Charis Walker

You're like new system no projecting 100% I'm moving the goalpost. I'm moving the goalpost That's what I'm doing actually I'm manipulating the system. I have no consistencies whatsoever But you don't know that the viewers don't think that all right No fair enough listen if you're gonna again move the goalpost and cheat to give anybody props. I'm okay with it being Jarvis Walker because he deserves it. He's so underrated.

We did a TikTok like a month ago now where redrafted last year's draft and I ranked him like seven like people who had want long term and so many of the TikTok is in the comments were like, what are you talking about? Why would you rather of him

than Jaime Hawke is? And like, yeah, y'all need a no ball. Jaris Walker is going to be really good. So I'm with you. Yeah, long, lengthy dude. The creation is there. Shopmaking is there. He also has vision.

Like, he's a great player, bro. Okay. Yeah, all right, man. Jeremy Sohan is very high. Explain to me what you view in Jeremy Sohan that you value him so highly for right now. I think he's going to just be in general a great connector. Obviously, like, your connecting abilities is very limited

if you can't shoot the ball even a lick. But because of who he has on his team, Victor Mn Mniamma, the ultimate, in my opinion, you will be like the ultimate stretch five. I think that'll relieve some pressure off of Jeremy Sond as a player within the system. his shooting just like our lack of shooting hurts the team so I think like the passing shades obviously is not impressive as you want it to be but it's still

better than the average power forward and yeah like I view that as super fundamental and essential and it's like an important piece in my mind that helps that puts you over top of a lot of teams because a lot of power forward just don't have those shades or those chops yeah okay I mean again I agree with you for sure projecting. I don't know. I liked him a lot after his rookie year

and I cooled down last year after watching him more closely, watching Wemby every game. And just something about him offensively bothers me but maybe I'm overreacting too much to just poor shooting.

I don't know, man. For last year I can't rank him highly but long term I still have stock so I'm with you there. Okay. Is there any issue? Okay, let's hear it. Oh, okay.

At 20, oh, I forgot. I start from 16. At 16, I have Jeremy Grant. 17, I have John then Kaminga, 18 PJ Washington, 19 Jabari Smith, and 20 Tobias Harris. Wow. Jeremy Grant has 16. I don't hate any of your picks.

Yeah, I don't, I don't hate anything. I think that, like, you could probably give Jeremy Grant a little bit more love. What? Well, spoiler alert. Number 15 is Kyle Kuzma. So it's between Kyle Kuzma and Grant, and I'm like, that is such a little bit. little difference. I think Kyle Kuzma is younger has a little bit more balance, a little bit more juice offensive right now. So I'm like, I'll go with him. They're so close. You want to put

Jeremy Graham at 15? I don't really give a fuck. Yeah, that's, that's fair. You both have have Cominga and Washington at 17 and 18, which is, which is cool. Take me through the thought process for y' all in that. Man, Camiga's so hard to rank because Warriors fans are insane. So you hear a lot of propaganda with his long-term upside, how he's going to be a star. I think there's a chance will be a star. Dude, I think he's a star. I think he's a star, I think he's a star right now by any means. I think right now defensively there's a lot of work to go. That's the biggest reason why he wasn't playing early on in the year when people were screaming at Steve Cardi gave him a chance. He really, really, really sucks at offball defense right now. On ball, he's

okay. You know, he has length. He knows that he used a little bit, but he does not make good rotations. He's not the most cerebral guy helping at the rim. It's not good of fighting over screens with that length. He hasn't got used to that yet. A lot of defensive issues that hold him down below a guy like Jeremy Grant. And offensively, I think he's actually like a really good finish with the rim. I think he has like star upside as a driver to the rim. If he becomes a star, it would be because he becomes like a truly elite player there. Hmm. Do you, how much do you believe in the shooting to compliment that? I guess there's a, there's some variance there in how he's played a lot's career. There's a stretcher he was really great when the Warriors kind of got

together midseason where he was shooting his ass off. If that's going to be who he is, then he's in a fly of these rankings, but he stills to improve as a passer, still has to improve defensively, like I said. But again, I won't be surprised at all if he's closer to 10 next year. Okay. Wow. I think you took all the words out of my mouth. What's the, what's even more interesting to me is having Grant Williams, not that much higher, but a little bit higher than PJ Watch. And we said all these two, like literally switch teams.

I said Jeremy Grant. Wait, that's Jeremy Grant. That's Jeremy Grant, not Grant William. Okay. I already right. You have so much Grant Williams PTSD. We've already discussed them. I ranked him two tears ago.

That's hilarious. Okay. That's Jeremy Grant. I don't know why I have so much As if I met the dude Don't know him You have so much smoke for him Yeah it was what Donovan was like

You could move Grant a little bit higher You were like what? Because you thought it was Grant Williams Yeah I was like so disgusted I was like that I was what I want to talk about My God Okay

Tell us on PJ Washington And why he deserves 18 Pete Washington's really good He has a simple game He is what John Collins wish he was in terms of just like, okay, like I'm a traditional power forward. How can I make myself more valuable? Obviously, he doesn't have the hops that John Collins has,

but in terms of just like getting his buckets off in similar ways, he kind of was that early, early into his career. But what separates him is that he's naturally just a better shooter, way more, he shoots, he shoots a way better on a higher volume. And also he is a legit ball handler who you wouldn't freak out or like squirm or cringe whenever he has the ball on his hands trying to like either jabs up

or do whatever he's a much better creator and I think that just elevates your ceiling as a player naturally because you're easier to build around and you're more reliable

of an option and the defense is the biggest difference to him and John Collins John Collins essentially has to be like a five on defense while also not being big

enough to be a huge return at the rim PJ Washington is like a very versatile defender he's like not an elite wing stoper right you're not putting him on the best wing player

but like shut them down but as a versatile four who can switch on to a big wing and switch inside like he's pretty good there you mentioned the shooting being a lot better than john collins that's actually why i have him that 18 he would be higher if the shooting was consistent when he's on like when he was on against the fucking thunder making every three in the world crazy you're like whoa is this guy like the second best player on this team good lord when the shot isn't falling it's like oh this is the guy that the horn is let go yeah yeah that okay

that makes that makes sense i like i i like honestly both of of your picks. I think, I think like, yeah, let's go. So at 16, I also have Kyle Kuzma, 17, I have PJ Washington, 18, I have Jeremy Grant, 19, I have Kaminga and 20, I have Jonathan Isaac. Now, first John Isaac's exciting. Granted, and you guys already know what I'm about. You've seen my movies. I have one request for Jonathan Isaac. I just want you on the court a little bit more, right? Like, Jonathan Isaac, when he is on the floor is as impactful a defender as anybody in the NBA, he is legitimately, like, elite of the elite.

He's so good defensively. I just need you to play more than 19, 20 minutes a game. That's all I'm asking. And if you can give me that, you can give me 27, 28 minutes a night, yo, you are 14, 13, 12. You are getting into those conversations because now you are a,

legitimate candidate to be DPOY, like, level impactful. So that's my one ass for John Anthony Isaac. Okay. John Isaac has such a weird PR right now because he got hurt. First, he started his career being one of the most promising defenders in the league. Yeah, facts. He started his career being one of those promising defenders in the league, then had like three devastating injuries in a row.

And amidst those devastating injuries, he had a lot of free time. And he made himself the most intolerable person on the internet, just absolutely awful. One of the funniest things that we saw on the internet was that this dude invited a bunch of his teammates to church or something like that. Not a soul showed up. Oh, my God. Nobody. That's so embarrassing. I was like, shut up.

Let's go. We don't get too much into the off-the-court issues of why he's awful. But on the court, he came back this year and got minutes again and was able to find a role for himself. So good. Minute per minute was legitimately

one the three to four best defenders in the NBA. So I held him a little bit lower for the same reasons than what he would be if he played full minutes. Because if you played full minutes, this guy would be a top 10, I think. Yeah.

I fully agree. Yeah. Like I have him, obviously he's clearly, I have him hard on his list, so I put him above Jeremy Grant at least at 15 or higher. I just looked at it. I was like, who would I rather have, man? Like, I would rather have the just, even if it's a small sample side and I have to deploy him, like some kind of like niche weapon and an NFL team, I would rather have that weapon than somebody like Kamingo, where he's at right now, where he's a good player. He's working on becoming a player that can compete at the highest level and contribute to winning. I'll die if I'm a smart coach I'll take what I can get a Jonathan Isaac and run

I I feel that and I again it really is just the men displayed the availability for me because because I'm I'm with you if he if he can play I would rather have him than the other four players ahead of him right now and like Kaminga I'm I guess I'm the lowest on Kaminga by a little bit coming that's fine I think I think part of the way that I view Kaminga is very like anti-Warriors fans where they pump him up so much that in my head I'm like he's really not that good and so he may have like taken a couple notches below but I look at him and it's like yes the Warriors need you to to step up and be this offensive like creator and they need some more scoring from you but bro you're you're just big and you can jump high right now yeah I'm still

listen the Warriors fans are overzealous but coming as it currently stands but I'm not I'm not out on him. I'm not out on him being a star entirely. Like, I think they do have something to stand on. So I'm not writing it off just yet. Like, you said that like he's not that good. Like, I still got the hope that they'll be right. But we'll see. Yeah, this still starts from to take. Yeah. Okay. We'll have Kuzma there. Anybody else who's talking about this tier? Something that's super interesting to me is that I, now I'm realizing that I have Jeremy Grant a lot higher than you guys. Not a lot higher. Obviously in the next tier people. But why is he where you guys are at right now? Why is he in this range for you?

Why is he higher? I don't know. I feel like he's in the same tier as Kuzma coming to all these guys. Like he's cool, right? He's a good shooter. Good defender, no longer great, I don't think. Not a passer.

He can create for himself a little bit, but not an elite level. Like, sounds to me like the 15th or 16th best by four in the league. I think he's a little bit of a better shooter than you're giving him credit for, for sure. How good of a shooter do you think I'm giving him credit for because I didn't even specify?

I think he's like 36% from three or 37% from three last year. You can double check him, just in case from him wrong but um yeah no i think it's a good shooter for sure i think i think he's when it comes to this range of kuzma commingia and all that like he's the top very top tier of this range and i guess it reflects on your list but even then i think he he's like in a separate range from them because of the defense that we once saw from his game and we saw it disperse as the time goes on because now his efforts are just focused on getting bags and buckets and that's literally it double b's but um i think the second that we do see him reverted

back to like you only focus on three things on the court and it's not buckets all right shoot three's here and there get rebounds and be long and be a nuisance on the defensive end asked him to do those three things and i think he's he'll be one of the better in the league comparable to like erin gordon in terms of like how effective he is now all this is also like it depends on who's around him it's very situational we haven't seen you that's in Trump was in office I'm not getting a little hopes up that guy still in there

what it's been over four years he's been on the pistons and the trouble is for four years getting buckets and this year he dropped to 57% shooting at the rim that is not good for a 610 player he was not getting buckets at the room by any means he did shoot 40% in 3 though so I still think he is like a 3 in D guy but if he's not

gonna be like a good score at the rim it's gonna be like below average then if you can't call him a good three level score then you need to be a good passer make up for that if you're not going to be a good passer you've got to be a really good defender still if you're not going to be that then you start to see how he's like

dropping a little as he gets older and that's the thing I think the defense is there I just think it's like shot died and like he tries to get in his back too much and he's like mellow mindset right now I think all that's still in there just very very situational for now okay

all right we can move on the next one I don't have not much higher I mean not much different than you I don't think so whatever Next one Oh my next one From 11 through 15 I have a Jalen Johnson at 11

Aaron Gordon at 12 Kegan Murray at 13 Stop that before I lower him Jonathan Isaac at 14 And Kyle Kuzma at 15 Why do you have Jalen Johnson at 11 Are you saying that Don't keep it short either

Don't keep it short either I need a 5-8 monologue Are you saying that because you think you should be higher Or it's a good spot Just know that it's a good spot Give me a fine 5 minute spiel Go ahead I think he's awesome

I think he can run the floor in transition Can cut really well And just really dominant Attacking the rim As a play finisher When Trey Young is throwing him Labs Himself running the break

As a one-man fast break All of Ben Simmons All LeBron whatever He's the gym is really good at that Okay calm the fuck down He said LeBron That's on me Never mind my bad

Not like LeBron Like LeBron's son or something But really good at that We'll see A really good dude I'm okay my bad bro Fuck he can shoot now

he shot like 38% it might have fallen off towards the end of the year I'm not sure but for most of the year he was shooting really well from three that if you're gonna be a legitimately elite athlete attack in the rim and can hit three is at a high level you immediately have offensive utility

next to a guy like Troy Young and defensively I don't think he's better than Aaron Gordon there but he's like well above average I think he's a very good defender that you take away to Jante Murray from this team

and you don't replace him with another ball handle I mean, I guess Risha Shea is going to have some ball handling duties, but you mostly free up those touches for whoever was on the roster before. And I think a lot of that is going to Jalen Johnson. I think we'll look up next year and see him averaging like 23 and a half points per game, like four assists and eight rebounds, whatever may be. And he was going to be in the most improved conversations this past year, but he missed too much

time. I think we'll be in it again next year. That good enough for you? I want to hear from you too, Donovan, because I know he's probably around this range too, maybe a little bit higher. let's talk about somebody else besides jalen johnson let him calm down a little bit and cool himself and fucking fan himself off a little too moist how do you feel about the rest of the list um i'm i mean i'm cool with it we already talked about you know jonathan i i think all of us had kow kuzma in that

range kegan murray at 13 very solid yeah i like it and then erin gordon i mean listen he's he's he's he's he's like erin gordon is in a situation right now where he is completely maximized and you know like there's not a there's not another place in the league that he can go and be better you get spoon-fed lobs and buckets from from yokech all day you go out you play you play a really solid defense you do all the dirty work at the four to help you know cover up a lot of the stuff that the yokech doesn't do well that even micha porter junior doesn't do well in terms of garden wings on the perimeter all that type of stuff so this is once you once you get to like 11 and above, there's just guys who are a little bit more talented offensively than he is.

Like the shooting, if Aaron Gordon could be like 30, 3, 34, not like not even, you know, just like slightly below average. He would be one of like the seven best, you know, powerful. Traymond rings for sure. Yeah. Easily. But that is his big drawback. That's his big liability.

And that has a difference to the last year in this year. Yeah. Yeah. We get you in the gym. We get you in the lab. We get that three start. to start falling you can really really jump up this list but until then right outside the top 10 is probably where you belong okay and it's okay it's mostly okay because he's playing with yokic

who provides spacing because he's such a good passer and such a good score that you can't leave mowbin so you can get away with erin gordon being in the dunker spot and that's why he still this high of this list despite being a pretty terrible shooter last year because yokech is a perfect player to make it not matter yeah but yeah and you compare him to a guy like jalen johnson just he just has more juice he just can do a little bit more he's a higher skilling offensively you can trust him with the ball in his hands more. Maybe in a playoff setting, you prefer Aaron Gordon with the right team that's trying to win a championship right now.

But I would rather take the bet on Jalen Johnson. Yeah, if Jalen Johnson was alongside Nicole Yokic, they're probably not to say like Aaron Gordon was the reason. He was far from the reason why they didn't make the finals. But that's just another super talented

player on your team, on that team. And, you know, he's just another legitimate option. I 100% agree. I like where Kigu Murray is as well. Super simple player like he does what he does on defense one of the best defenders at at that spot and also super impactful for the sacramento games considering that they don't have much of that on that team and then on offense um shooting a lot of threes i don't know if that leap will ever come with when it comes to with what you know coach mike brown and the rest of those guys are expecting to and i think it kind

of shows that you know with the de marty rosen with the demada rosen acquisition they are not expecting that permanent leap to come for him so they're just like okay cool we're going to do that you're going to be super valuable at that. And I think that's like a commendable move in terms of how they're viewing Keegan Murray. So I like I like this ranking for him for sure. Okay. And John Isaac, we talked about it. I just, I really valued that defense. I get it and play very much. So I should probably happen closer where you have him. But I just value what he does so much. And I'm like, it's kind of like my Jaris Walker for Mo. I'm like, I'm going to bend the rules how I do. Don't do for everybody else and put him higher. Yeah. Who's next? Next up is Donovan. Who we got?

I have Aaron Gordon at 11. Jalen Johnson at 12 Kegan Murray at 13 Bobby Portis at 14 And Tobias At 14 And to Jesus fucking Christ Bobby Portis

And Tobias Harris at 15 Bobbled Portis What did you get like Harassed by Bobby Portis Did he give you like Death Threats if you didn't put him Like at 14 at this list

He opened those fucking eyes And staring to your soul And you're like Ah 14 Put me up 14 motherfucker Did he do that Did he give you what a nose Did he give you a wedge?

That was crazy What the fuck that was why if i said that that'd have been so racist really i'm allowed anyways listen you got the racist best listen i guess we're going to talk about bobby porters now tell me about tell me about robert portis and why he deserves me the top 15 listen bobby's my guy all right we know bobby bobby bobby is he's just my guy he's just cool he's just bobby portis you know he's going to come out here he's going to shoot 40% from three he's going to come out here he's going to give you a nice you know seven to eight rebounds nice little spark plug off off the bench he can step

into the starting lineup if need be give you a nice 13 14 he's grant williams with good vibes right and that to me means a lot right i'd love to have bobby porters on on my team i i would i would love it locker room morale would go very very high up i've told you guys for years that i'm the president of the bobby portis fan club and we had a meeting last week we knew that this episode was coming out and we had to figure out what spot Bobby was going to be at and we figured we have to show him the proper love he's top 15 right I was in that meeting Bobby must have been in that meeting with you listen listen don't worry about it right don't worry about that exposed but but but listen I just like Bobby Fortis I just want Bob Portis on my team all right man

there you go Bobby Portis welcome to the club welcome to the top 15 power fours in the NBA you've earned it every everybody has we all have have the guy on this list where we bent the rules a little bit, right? Mo picked the guy that played 10 minutes last year and put him in the top 20s. And he's better than Bobby Portis. Shut up. Shut up.

And then listen. The Bobby Portis, Tobias Harris 1415 combo is just the craziest one two punch. I will say this. The Tobias Harris at 15, that's more of a symbolic pick. Tobias Harris is legitimately the most mid of mid that you can get at the position. So he's in the middle. And so I just had to put him in the middle, right? Okay.

No, no higher, no less. You know exactly what you get with Tobias. What's up? Would you rather have, hypothetically speaking, Tobias Harris on the New York Knicks signed like a minimum contract. So he's on there pretty much for the free or two years worth of free crumble cookies. You know, every week they give out their new like six, their new like six lineup special. Which one would you rather have?

Where will you be happiest? Well, I'll tell you this. I've never had a crumble cookie. you right oh i don't i don't know what that is i don't know if it's good or bad i've heard a lot of people tell me it's mid so if you're telling me to pick mid or mid and i can pay the minimum for one mid i'm gonna take the minimum mid right that's that's gonna be what i do so i'm gonna take tobias harris wow terrible decision we can run to mine yes right let's see mo's 11 through 15 what we got all right so at 11 as much as i hate to do it

considering the moves that they made this awesome you hate none i had to put evan mowbly at 11 still you hate him no hawksbyes i hate him i hate the hawks bias oh yeah for sure i think his ceiling's a little bit higher now his seal he's higher for sure get the fuck out of my oh damn it definitely is okay so 11 Evan mowley Jeremy grant may 12 i think if he was in the right position we'll view him more valuable and a better player than erin gordon but man the man is in his 30s he is not in his 30s how old do you think he is 30 what are we talking about what are we talking about he's 30 in the way he's 30 he's 30 Jeremy grant if you're 30 I promise you to 27 no way please he's been 27 for four years that made his 30 years old oh my god he just turned 30

I'm telling you that is not young he is not the youth but he's still good at 13 Aaron Gord is very young to me 14 I got Jonathan Isaac his defense is so menacing and I think if you have superpowers if I can call you one of the best three or four at one of the main categories in the NBA, you're immediately a top 15 player to me at a minimum.

Don't care what else you do. Now, if you want to have arguments about like his ability to stay healthy, completely understood and that's fine. And at 15 I have Keegan Murray. Great player. You're always going to be low on Keegan Murray. This is one of these players who used to decide a long time ago that's overrated. So you always got to dig him a little bit.

Which is crazy because I thought that you were crazy high on King and Murray like two years ago. He was and then he wasn't a superstar right away and he was like, never mind. Never again. I just seen the bag wasn't. Don't call me. He'll come by my house.

Don't come back my house. It's funny. But okay. Evan Moby. He's obviously like the biggest elephant in the room here for me or in this list in general. Let's move on and see where we rank Evan Mowby. Then we'll talk about it because it's spoiler.

I just flipped them one. I think we just have Jalen Johnson and Evan Moby flip. probably, which is quite the interesting conversation given both their current team predicaments. So Donovan, tell us to your next five. At six, I have Pascal Seacum. At seven, I have Lorry Marketing. At eight, I have Scotty Barnes. At nine, I have Draymond Green. And at 10, I have Evan Mobley. What the, who the fuck is in your top five? Okay, okay. Marketing in Barnes. Seyakum is at number six. Y'all already know. That's all right. Barnes is number eight you already know

what is going on here siakum is number six we just got to wait to see who his top five is because i'm perplexed because scotty barnes is in my like top four scotty barns is incredible he's already an all-star he's gonna keep getting better him at eight is baffling to me i can understand at number eight those marking in see i uh marking in um barns range i'm okay with you shouldn't be i'm more baffling to me i don't understand why that isn't praisier to you.

I mean, he's Yacom, he's very good, but I don't think I have him that much higher. Oh, man, you guys are triven, man. Oh, my gosh. I can't wait to see where you have. What's going on here? Do you have Seaccoma at four?

Bro, we have no synchronization right now in this top ten. I can't wait to see the, I see going. Mo, who's your next five? Okay, so my next five is five at Lari Marketing. Great player. For six.

Bag. Seven. Six. Scotty Barnes. Eight, Dremont Green. You know what he does. 9, Julius Randall Now listen

Salute, salute He knows what he does He's been loud You've seen his movies Yeah, exactly Julius Randall I genuinely wanted to put him higher Because he's an all NBA player

But the health seems to be an issue consistently since 2021 We haven't seen a healthy platform for him Or anything like that So that's concerning me 10 John Johnson That's fair I don't know

I forget I don't know what he ever thinks about Julius Randall's an injury-prone player, but maybe you're cooking. Let me take that one quick. Because he wasn't available last year, and that made a big difference. When he was there last year,

they were cooking, and he wasn't. Yeah, and the year before that, he hurt his ankle, I believe, against the Cleveland Cavaliers or something like that,

and then the year before that it was 2022 or 2021 or something like that in both series, both years, he was just a man. Okay, okay. Four of the, not even,

basically every season, except for 2019, 2020, which is bubble year and last season and his first season in the league. He's played at least 71 games. Well, he said playoffs. When the playoff comes around, he's been injured. It's a I'm a situation where he's healthy all year. When it matters most, he's his leg falls off. I'm just like, I just think of him when it like at the height. Routinely, regular season, again, I said like he's an all-MBA player, straight up, talented across all-words. We give so many forwards all-MBA credit because they made a third team one time. I know he made a second team.

We give so many people all NBA player credit Because forwards were really weak for like five years Like Siakam's an all NBA player Because he made a 13 one time Julius Randall is not on an all NBA level right now But he's very good but we don't got to give him that title still Oh whoa whoa whoa why did you just throw a shot at Pascal Seaccom This man fucking love Seaccom I can't wait to see where you ranked

This is gonna be great You're disgusting you love Seaccom Let's continue Let's continue Let's go ahead We'll do my 5 and we'll talk about his whole tier At six I have Draymond green Seven I have Jaron Jackson Jr. 8 I have Siacca

nine I have Randall and 10 I have Mowgli We are so out of sync I think our I think my 10 This tier is like the opposite of y'all Yeah I'm going to hate me We're all gonna hate each other

Y'all ain't gonna hate me Wow Okay so All right so fuck at Evan Mowley versus Jalen Johnson We're so past that We have so much more in talking about now Okay

Julius Randolph's number nine. I agree with you there. Clearly Donovan and Nick's fan ass has him in the top five. Why? What's good? Let's talk about it. Over Pascal Seacom? You're not for real.

No, I'd actually, like, for real, for real, I actually would rather have Julius Randall than Pascal's Yacom. Okay. Like, I mean, just, no, man. Actually, I wouldn't say that. But I think it's comparable. Wow. Not bad.

I meant to say, said me too. I think that's fine. I think that's fair. Julius Randall is still good. They're in the same tier. Mo must have this guy like top three The way he's talking Because they are so similar

Pascal Seaccom is very very Very good He is not so great That he has to be in the top five for sure I don't think that Pascal Seaccom And Julius Randall on the same tier Julius Randall at his very best Is on the same tier

They are not in the same tier That's the only issue No Donovan thinks that Julius Randall smokes Yacom Mo thinks that Siakum smokes Randall I think they're exactly the same There's no cohesion And on top of that, too,

Jaron Jackson, Jr., former defensive player of the year. Is that number seven for your wish? Draymond Green, former defensive player in the year. Like, that's fine. Jaron Jackson is very good. Very good at farming, weak side shot blocks whenever he's next to a big that can play center. He's a very good guy in that role.

He is not a shutdown player as a center. He's not shut down one-on-one. He's very good in his role. It's like Yonis, if Yonis was worse at the other stuff besides shot-blocking. I don't think Jaron Jackson is not a top four defender in the league right now

I don't think. Do you think though that with your man's Zachary Eadie coming into town that Jerry Jackson will be able to get a little bit higher on this list? I don't think that makes him better

I think we'll have a good year for sure that'll be props to Zachary Eadie not props to Jared Jackson Jr. I think Jaron Jackson is just fine I don't hate him at all he's a very good player he's a up and down year but when he's shot is on he's very good

he's an underrated handle he's really good attacking closeouts and getting to the rim when he gets there it's a little dicey because he can't pass and the rim finishing is if he year to year

but the defense he's very very good great but not top of the line to me to where he has to be top five and I think the top five players here like as you I see I have Lowry Markin and Scotty Barnes

in top five are legit two way well marketing we can debate how good his defense is but he's a good enough defender that I'll call him a two way player legit two way

like all star level players the top five are straight up all stars and I don't think Jackson Jr., though. He's made an all-star team. He's not a year-to-year lock, and he'll never will be, especially in the West. He can make an all-sart team for sure.

Okay. I think Larry Markins is better than Larry Marketing. Because of the defensive presence, and I think you're also underrating how good of a shooter, elite of a shooter in his position, Jared Jackson Jr. is. That motherfucker is not an elite shooter. What are we?

For his position? Yes, he is. Look at the volume. What are you talking about? Larry Markman is a four. So many elite shooters are fours. What do you mean for his position? This is in 1999.

There's a bunch of great shooters there. Most of you will start a small forward there For his position means nothing in these days For his position He's a great, he's a great shooter, bro I gotta look up the stats real quick too Oh my god, this is disgusting This is 24

Power forwards are great shooters You can't do forest position anymore For a stretch four It's not like he's a dominant interior player This isn't like a fours position for a yokech Like this isn't a seven foot center Okay He's a good shooter

He's a good shooter for sure He's not elite shooter by any means He's not causing game-breaking gravity. You're not chasing him off of screens. You're not so scared to help off of him and picking pops. He's a serviceable, very good shooter that can make you have good five-out spacing. But Larry Marketing is a whole different level. Lyra Marketing is the best shooter on this list, bar none.

By far, he's the best year on his list. Huge difference there. He's better attacking the rim. He's better attacking close-outs and stuff I just said Jaron Jackson Jr. is really good at. Lyme marketing is even better. There's a reason he's consistently averaging near 25 points per game on great efficiency these days. He is fantastic as a score. Not a good passer either, so I'm not going to pretend that that's like a huge difference there.

But offensively, it's a wash. And I agree, Jaron Jackson is a much better defender. I think Larry Martin's defensive is pretty good the past couple years. If you think his, Larry Markin's offensive gravity is like that, and if you think that swayed you enough and you can disregard Jaron Jackson as defensive prowess, then, okay, I can understand that's just like a value type of thing. So, spoiler, Larry Markins 5. I put German green one above Jaron Jackson because I just respect.

what Draymond still brings. If you want to swap them and have Jackson at six for my list, then him and Lauer Vard next to each other, I don't think it's a big gap or anything. Five, six, and seven are really close. They're definitely in the same range, for sure. Yeah, so I don't think it's crazy at all. That's the tier. I think eight, nine, and ten are like a separate tier from those guys to me.

But yeah, what you just said, do I think Lauer-Marcon's offense has that much gravity and is that game-breaking? Yes, I do think so. I think he has a legitimate impact there that I don't even know who to compare it to, but I saw somebody said early in the season, he's like a 6-11 Clayton. With how he shoots this year and how you had to respect him as a shooter and that's probably a little bit gas because Clay Thompson's like the second-based shooter at all time But in terms of like principle and what they're implying, I don't think it's crazy I think you do with respect him that level you chase him off the screens like he is a huge problem offensively

And I don't think he's a bad defender anymore by any means I won't call him a bad defender either I think that's a stretch but at the same time to yeah I as long as we're on we're on agreements that they're in the same tier jaren jackson jr. Yeah, I mark it with what you said you would flip I'm fine. No hands will be thrown. Hey, man, listen, let's get to top five, bro. Let's, let's get to top five. I can't fucking believe that Scotty Barnes is not in your top five.

Let me see. Now we're good. Let's just reveal them all. Bam, bam, bam. My top five is one Janus, two Zion, three Palo Bancaro, four Scotty Barnes, five Lowry Markman. Let me go next. Number one, Janus, no one cares.

Two, Pascal Siakha, my African king, my consistent king, my NBA champion, my NBA champion, My NBA perennial All-Starmer. Number two, three, Zion Williamson, Injury Riddle Zion Williamson, Zion Williamson, who doesn't play 60 games on a consistent basis. All right. Four, Kyle Ben Carroll, loved this guy so much.

He's one of my three-haired players in the entire NBA. But, you know, he's in number four because he's only like a second-year player so far. Number five, Jerry and Jackson, Jr., that doesn't need to be discussed. Okay, my five. I've Janice won Zion 2, Julius Randall 3, Jaron Jackson Jr. 4, Palo at 5. Seeing this right now, I will say, I will switch Paolo and Jaron Jackson Jr.

Okay. I actually, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at that right now. If you don't want, if you want to put Palo at 3, honestly, I'm cool with that too because I love Palo. But for sure, I would switch Palo and Jaron Jackson Jr. then that's fine you guys if you do that you guys both have jaron jackson at five i've met seven could you could argue for me to put him at six above draymond if you want that's cool we're all on agreements on where jaren needs to be range wise yeah why is why is palo in your guys the top five and scotty barnes is not listen you know why back twitter you know why this david's a

bucket it's about getting a bucket palo goes i gets a bucket every day he plays with bones who can't shoot and is still out here dropping 30 in the playoffs palo's out here. He is fighting for his life every single day. He's in Orlando. It's humid every day. It's like 90 degrees in just swamp water, bro. It's disgusting. He has to fight off alligators every single day driving to the facility.

He has to deal with Jonathan Isaac being annoying every 20 seconds. Oh my God. He has life so bad. Franz Wagner just got paid for being a war shooter than he was the year before. Palo has so many things that he has to jump over. Yes, Palo is better than

Scotty Barnes. I pray. I pray. every day for Palo Bancaro. I really want him like being a good situation. I have never fucking seen a more coddled player than Palo Bancaro. Oh my goodness. I like him a lot. I have him at three. I agree he's really good. I have never seen somebody when compared to other stars of

his caliber. Have all of their weaknesses fucking ignored. We pretend that Palo has no problems. I simply do not see it. He is the least efficient volume shooter as position in the fucking league. Who's his point guard? Who are his spacers? What does he do? Like, bro. Talk about it.

It's tough I have met three I am the highest here So I'm certainly not low On Paolo Bangaro But if you compare him To a Scotty Barnes The gap is not large

I only have Palo higher Because he proved it In a playoff setting And I think Despite the inefficiency You have to be inefficient In a playoff setting You had to get it out of the mud

To a certain degree Against a tough defensive matchup Like the Cavs And he did that He rose to the occasion What rose into the occasion Means in a playoff setting

For him Is his mid-range shot Bell more He just simply made more shots The process didn't change He still doesn't get to the room Enough he's still He's still inefficient there

he still needs to work on other things he is not a tier above scotty barns to me i think they were shooting 20% from three in a playoff game he's fighting for his life that doesn't mean everybody's standing in the pain that doesn't mean you can't score at the rim like we act like this is like he's playing with a 1980s team where we have four post players just posted like this listen that's not reality listen i get on people

all the time for doing hypotheticals i'm gonna do it right now if you give palo ban caro a manua quickly as his point guards bro things first of all they're beating the caps right that's one

they might get to the conference fine I don't know right we all rate Jalen Suggs above Emmanuel Quickly by the way listen

Emmanuel Quigley listen he can shoot them right I'm just talking about fit don't get Jalen Sugs he shot 38% I'm just talking about fit

he doesn't have the bag Emmanuel Quick again he can't do this he can't do that that's not him oh my God that's what

that's what Palo needs right you already have two defensive demons take one of them go get an offensive demon right we're talking so much about pala vicaro i don't know why i'm supposed to him i just need that i have palo the highest i don't know why i'm talking about him why is scotty barnes not better than jaron jackson fucking junior no bro i just vibes i just don't want him on my team like i'd rather you hate canadian so much scottie barnes is excellent i'd rather have i actually would rather have like jerry i don't know man like the ceiling that we talk about for scotty barns i really i don't know i've never been super high on the ceiling for scotty but i think that he is really really good but when we talk

about like top five it also comes to like fit and i think that jaron jackson junior and his defensive ability and being being able to put him there and having somebody who can defend the rim like that and and shoot i actually kind of would like that on a lot of other teams rather than Scotty Barnes and if Scotty is your best player, which is what he like profiles out to be right now, I don't know how good your team is going to be. So it might be a little bit different. That's my mind. You compare him with a Donovan Mitchell and he'll be a perfectly fine second option. He's a very versatile defender. He can shoot off ball. He can cut. He can set screens. Scotty Barnes is the most versatile forward on this list, I think. I'm looking, I mean,

maybe Larry Marken is more versatile just because of shooting stronger. But like, Scotty Barnes is a jack of all trades. And if you don't prefer that, you want a master of one, go for. it but he can do so much he brings so much the little like the during work stuff that most stars don't want to do i would not be worried at all about him playing next other stars we call them stars i mean an all-star team i don't know i mean he's a low level he's low level he's low level he's a star he's a star he's a star he's a star we're just handing that title he's not uh i don't he's a low-level star he's just barely cusping it so i understand what you're saying but franchise players whatever you want to

want to say whatever you want to label it the guys on a team everybody gets him one of the more everybody's a franchise player that's oh my god term doesn't mean anything anymore hi fuck this we're focusing on scot d barnes i think you're all chip him that's fine why the fuck is pascal siakum number two what have you not seen from pascal siacum that wouldn't grant him number two considering a consistent playoff run this on me a consistent playoff on me why does he go to number two for you don't tell me why he's not no answer my question first i'll answer years. No, I asked you a question first. I asked you a question first. No, you didn't. You didn't. You did it. You did it. He asked you the question first. No, we transitioned to Pascal. No, you asked you a question. No, you did not.

I literally did. You were beating me. I'm going to say this again. I said it first. So now I just said it first. So answer my question first. Okay. Big for a beautiful. We got to go over the concept of first. We could do that. We could do that. But real, real story. the consistency that Pascal Seaccom has shown throughout the last five years of his game okay five years stretch actually no five years is great because 2019 he won an NBA

championship I haven't seen that from Zion just yet obviously I think Zion is the better player but what Seahko's body of work I deem him higher and I give him that credit because also he stays healthy on a consistent

basis Zion does not and I don't know what I'm getting out of Zion when I enter an NBA season. I have fears. I don't know if I'm going to see him when March rolls around when December sometimes comes around. With Seacom, I don't have those types of fears. When it comes to Paula Bencaro... If it's the injury thing, I get it. If it's an injury thing I understand, that is fine. Zion's just so much better. But if you want to do the injury game, that's fine with me. That's your criteria. Go for it. Yeah. Now, why is he better than Palo? Now, when it comes to Paula Bencaro, again, him as the number one, his flaws are a little

bit concerning but if you want to go ahead and psych me up to making paolo number two that's okay but i just see again seaccom's body of work i know what i'm getting at him on both ends i don't there's literally nothing on the court that like hurts his ceiling compared to when i look at paolo right now what is his ceiling now again seaccom yes or paula well pascal seacom seems like it being a great number two palo's senior is being the number one option that's what he is supposed to be. If he's number two, that kind of like, that kind of like de-values him a little bit. He's supposed to be a number one. But for number one, if you have trouble, you know, knowing when you're supposed to pick your spots, again, I don't think it's specifically

him. I think more so it's like team construction too as well. But that's why like I have, it's a little bit of politics too because I can't have bank carrot number two and then, because that just sounds a little bit crazy. Can't say that yet. I promise you, Siakam sounds crazier. I promise you. It does not. If you're worried about reception, Palo Ben-Carrant too is a much better, more understandable argument. Definitely. And listen. Definitely is not. Pat was a much better

passer than Seacom. Defensively, sure. Seacom is... It's hard to gauge Seacom's defense these days. He's not quite what he was a few years ago when he was like extremely good. If you want to say a little better than Palo these days, go for it. I feel he's still developing. But

okay. Seacom is not out here being a stopper like he once was. No, it's not a stopper, but definitely better than that. Score. He's more efficient because he's a second option. He wasn't that efficient either when he was a one option. I do you think Siakum's a better score than Palo Bancaro? I think Palo Bencaro has that ability to get you 30 a night. No, not necessarily. Who's a better score? Just straight out, name, just say one word, one name. Who's a better score? I'm not answering your question like that. What the fuck? No, I'm not doing that. Because

if you say Van Carroll, there's no argument. That's a nail in the conference. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. You're looking at it in a fucking vacuum and I'm not doing that. That's a wrong way to look at when you're having this specific type of argument and you're just two box into your zone. That's literally it. Now, if you're thinking about, I think this is the exact argument you should look at it in a vacuum. No, it's not. That's the wrong way to look at it. That's a wrong way to look at it. When I'm thinking about Siakom, I think about a complete body of work. Palo Giuse simply doesn't have that just yet. I trust him more and I know what he is. I don't know. I mean, I'm not trying to rank who was at the better career. I'm not really

a concern of what he did four years ago. It's like, who was better last year, who will be better next year like combine like whatever you interpret that who's better right now but okay that's fine i whatever let's shift our attention let's shift our attention to the other motherfucker here why is randall number three because too much on mo over to you why the fuck is julius randall number three because he's like that it's just it's just it's just plain it's no julius randall obviously like the the injury has a sketches deal you know that he's a what by sketchers i'm not talking about

about aura right now. I'm just talking about production. And if you, okay, if you, Mo's like, can never be me. I said, if you, if you want to talk about like the playoff injuries, okay, yeah, I'm, I'm there, I'm there with you because it has been very, uh, disappointing over the last couple years where Randall hasn't necessarily been himself because he's, he's been injured. He hasn't, he wasn't there last year in the playoffs and the Knicks really, really could have needed him. It, it, it really does suck. I, I do understand if you say that. However, like we said earlier, he plays basically 70 games a season. Like he is going to be out there and he's going to be a part of your team.

And he is dependable on that front. Two, he had a bad year coming off of his first like really, really breakout season with the Knicks. He's, he's come back. And I think that Randall is a really, really good score. I think his playmaking from when we first saw him in New York to where it is now, I think it has elevated a lot because that first. team was awful and he still has moments of very black hole tunnel vision right bull in the china shop i'm just going to put my head down trying to get to the rim but it has improved um the defense

is is cool i i just think that like randall is a little bit underrated um from a lot of people and for somebody that is you know 25 and 10 like we remember the nicks and everything that they were doing post randall injury and a lot of it was like yo shout out to jalen brunson because We never thought that you can be out here. But they were 15 and 2 with Randall, with Brunson, with OG. And that's because they were all clicking. And so when you have two guys of that caliber clicking and you have somebody who's 24 and 10, 25, and 10 every single night, like that's, that means something. Mo, do you want to argue or do you want to just point and laugh?

Can we give him a shame? Stop it. He had Siakamette, too. He had Xiakamette, too. Shame, you can't say that. Shame, shame, shame, you can't say that. You can't say that. You can't say that.

I think you both deserve shame Maybe I deserve shame For putting Jared Jackson too low So it would be it But Who is the craziest ranking here Besides Jarous Walker What's the craziest ranking here?

Now I will say though I will say I love my Knicks Because of the situation In which Julius Randall came to the Knicks My love for him is always conditional So if he comes out here And starts very poorly

You back down to 14 buddy Like I'm gonna need you to keep it up I'm gonna need you to keep it up but you know it's good vibes right now in the summer so you're very high up now again if you guys remember in this conversation that we've had goal post moving all right next oh yeah don't let yacom score like 1920 points a game i'm go 1920 for the second best power for it in the league that the bar is awful moving in van caro's gonna be number two zion might be number two all right goal post moving so you all you already know you already know you already

already know that I'm like person number one when it comes to injuries Zion will put Siakum in a body bag every single every single game like there's just at at that point there's just no reason to have Zion at like he he has to be two he has to be too he has to be you either rank Zion two or you rank him 25 yeah no I don't think it's I don't think that obviously you're joking but not that dramatic obviously I'm joking that dramatically but like to go from two to three like if you think someone could be three but they can't be two like why the talent gap is big

enough between Siakum and Zion that if you're going to give them the nod over Palo I think it also has to be both Seacum yeah I can't give him I can't do that I can't do that at all I can't do that at all because it's obviously like yo I mean Zion Zon at the end of the day sorry Paulo

this is the craziest list we've had this is wild this is fun listen I don't think you've ever been so We've never had such a variety of opinions on a list before, especially down at the top. The top 10 was insane. When the position is as, I don't know, there's not really a definition for like what the four is.

There's so many different kinds of power forwards. And also the talent gap in terms of like what the top three, top five is down to down to the rest. It's a very clear spirit. So everybody's going to have their guy. Everything's going to be different. This is very funny, though. So that was great. Shout out.

If anyone was to elevate on this list, predicting wise, next year, who would, who could be, like, Paolo at the end of the end of the next year could be the second best power forward in the league. I think next year the top four would look exactly how I have it now. Palo and Barnes think are going to prove you guys to be in the top three and four. Should, I guess I'm the ones projecting, which is fucking ironic as hell because I hate projecting. Yeah. But, yeah, I think next year, it'll look real similar to this. Yeah.

I think my top three next year will probably be Janus Palo Zion Janus Palo Zion okay I guess it's defensive Zion's healthy because if Zion's healthy

he's still gonna be better than Palo I think but who knows that team is so disgusting so yeah who cares you know that's also true yeah it's a bad situation damn man what a wild ranking all right well

we don't have him to kill here this week as you guys can see with me pressing the buttons so there's no producer corner sorry to tell you guys I'll be back next week I'm gonna tell you guys now so you guys don't freak out

when he's missing like he died he'll be back so with that being said oh what time is it they know what time is he almost said donovan donovan knows what time it is the other one it is let's TikTok time let's go welcome to TikTok time once again today we are starting with a draft and today we're going to do a build the player draft with only left handed players. Let's go. Let's do it. I'm ready.

So yeah, you guys know how this works. We draft a player by picking somebody's body, shooting, defense, finishing, and passing to create the perfect player. So we'll see who knows

their lefties better. Mo, did you use chat GPT today? No, I'm not on PEDs right now. Thank God. We need to have a clean race. Clean race. The draft order

is me, Mo Donovan. Okay. So, I don't even thought where do I want to start What's the So

Biggest upper hand Oh I get Okay I get the double Yeah this is tough I don't know where to start I didn't think about this beforehand Uh okay

Hmm Okay Let's draft The best left-handed player possible To start off Give me David Robinson's defense Hmm

Very Very bad Yeah I know you wanted his body I said it I said it I never wanted You're wild. I know you wanted that super soldier gazelle.

You're wild. You're not lying, but you are wild. Okay. So, for shooting, give me James Hardin. I was wondering who would go with James Harder for what skill. It's kind of hard to take James for passing. Yeah, me too. Yeah.

It's one of the best three-point shooters in NBA history, too, so people forget that. Max. Turns a shot difficulty. Yeah, involving. All right. Well, if that's the case But now when the playoffs come around Let me do this

Give me Give me Bill Russell defense Ah Oh, I forgot what Russell Okay And then And then See, this is tough

This is tough Bill Russell defense And give me Give me Manu Genobi passing Damn I don't think he's necessarily The best passer you could have picked

I think he's he's flamboyant I flamboyant okay I just want to play right now Okay That's fair You're aura that's fine Where are you going next one Who's your flamboyant pick

Okay and I have a flamboy pick But I do have an interesting pick Okay So I can go a lot of ways here I can go so many ways but I think I'm going to go ahead and do

Dang I did mess up That post-pick clarity I should not have done that Or we're going to Mo Okay You're picking for passing Passing I'm not doing passing just yet I ain't doing passing just yet

Okay so actually You know what I will do passing I'm going to feed into it. Give me Mike Coney for passing. Oh, okay. That's a nice vanilla pick. Yeah, very solid.

Slightly above average passer. Exactly. Very solid. Give me for body. Give me big Mark Eaton. Seven foot four. Give me all of them. Oh, okay.

So we're doing big C here. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Makes sense. And then for shooting, give me Chris Mullen. See, that sucks. Another great option. Another great option. Okay.

I am surprised he fell to me. That's like. I thought, I thought that he was going to fall to me on the way back. Nope. Okay. Okay. I would never allow that. Okay.

It's tough. So. For finishing, actually. For body. Oh, damn. You're saying like one syllable every two seconds. Yeah. Speak up.

Yeah, because I'm having I'm having constant battles and arguments in my mind between who I can pick, but I don't think I can genuinely go wrong because my guy's a demon. So, I know you're picking. God damn.

Yeah. So for finishing, go ahead and give me Chris Bosch, very versatile. Oh, that's not what I thought you're picking. And for body, give me DeAndre Jordan and his athleticism, bro.

Oh. okay yeah no you suck no you suck yeah yeah um okay let's figure out where we're gonna go here you know what for this this is this is really tough because i again i messed up and i should have taken manu somewhere else but hey such is life give me give me be Ben Simmons body. Fuck. I needed that. I needed his passing.

Yeah. You weren't going to get that. I did. I'd stop you from that. Yeah. Give me Ben cooked. Give me Ben Simmons passing. And then I'm trying to figure out who I want to do for shooting.

And I'm going to do right there. He is. He is right there. This sucks. It sucks. You know what? Underrated pick. We talk a lot about people that other people don't really know.

Y'all don't remember Michael Red. Give me Michael Red for shooting. Okay. Wow. Yeah. I don't think you remember Michael Red, but I'll allow it. Oh, no. Wow.

Okay. I fear the deer. Trust me. Okay. So for defense, go ahead and give me someone who was way ahead of his time, Tashon Prince. Hmm Wait, how does Mo have his team finish now? Oh, did you not double up?

Mo, you doubled up on Jordan and Bosch. You weren't supposed to. I didn't pick Jordan. I didn't pick Jordan. Oh, DeAndre Jordan. Yeah, you doubled up. You did. We got to rewind, y'all.

Rewind. You don't get that. You don't get that. You didn't. You weren't supposed to double up. You're in the middle. You doubled up. Y'all let me double up.

It's not my fault. Y'all are sleeping. Y'all did not take advantage. well we can't make the tic-tok if you fucking double up it doesn't make sense so we have to go back you guys are screwing me cooking me this is all perfect you screwed yourself what the what do you mean all right so let's rewind mo picked bosh so now donna you're devil picks jordan's on the board for body give me diadre jordan oh look at you i'm throwing rocks at your house Oh my God

I'm pissing on your lawn Oh my God I'm throwing eggs at your house I'm tee peeing your house Don't come outside Please don't I'm waiting for you And then for And then for shooting

Actually now for finishing Give me Ben Simmons Fuck you thought you were running off on one But you're not Damn it So close All right mode It's your turn now

Go ahead Take whoever you want I wanted a demon I wanted someone who was Unguarded but you know what Someone Wait did you double up last time too Because you still have four people

Shut the fuck up Damn it you ruined the whole job That doesn't make sense anymore Okay Prince was your second pick last time right I think it was Prince Alright we have to go back Yeah Prince was my last Oh, my God.

Yeah, okay. So the Prince big didn't happen. So now I pick Prince again. So you're taking Prince. No, you are. It's your pick, but you have two. You never pick Prince, so you can pick Prince again right now.

Okay, yeah. So you didn't have to believe it. Okay, cool. Yeah, Prince. Okay. I'll just edit that in that way. What a scuff draft, y'all. This is hilarious.

If you're watching the final product, it'll look a lot smoother than this. But okay, so you got talking Prince, this man was doubling up every time. And nobody noticed. I thought I was going to run off at one. Damn. I was like, how do you have so many players?

Okay. Okay, to my turn, finishing and passing are available. Listen, I'm making a big man. Give me one of the better passing big men in the league. Give me to Monta Sabonis. Hmm. Okay.

For passing. Okay. You know what? D.H. Let's throw a wrench in all this. For finishing, give me De Aaron Fox. Whoa. I am getting to the rim like a point guard.

I'm a demigand. Okay. But the Air Fox's past season was not finishing like that. that brother, his superpowers is finished. That is cool. That is cool. Gotcha. Listen, I'm getting to the rim like a point guard in Mark Eaton's body.

I would not complain. Okay. Back to me. Give me someone again. Ahead of his time. Shout out to the old forwards. Lamar Odom. For body?

Yeah, for body. Okay. This man is long. Yes, sir. You know how I'm doing? Where are going, Donovan? For shooting, I want somebody who, listen, they are, they've turned themselves into a very, very good shooter, right? Very underrated, left-handed player.

Give me LeBron James as my shooter. Sorry, brother. He is, he's left-handed. But he's not in the NBA. You don't get, you don't get LeBron James. He signs all his checks with his left hand. Can I do that? We're not in a check-sounding competition.

This is about left-handed NBA players, and he checks out as a right-handed one. We're going to write Michael Reddown. You already picked them? Michael Beasley, go ahead. Michael Red, Michael Beasley. Choose one of the Michaels, and you're good. I think it should count. I'm sure you do think that.

You've been outvoided by the committee. So my player is Mark Eden. See, no, we got to throw a flag Because I remember, right We've allowed, we've allowed Worse No, wow We've allowed worse

That's literally lying So my body is Mark Eaton My shooting is Chris Mullen My defense is David Robinson My finishing at the rim is the Aaron Fox And my passing is a bonus Big passer Solid player

Yeah, DHO Merchant Okay, so my body is Lamar Odom Shooting James Harden pulling eight nine three of them holes a game what a step back to what you're going to do about it absolutely nothing do it yeah nice and then i got prime tachshan prince i was about to say troyon but tachon prince too prime tachon prince who special and then i got the finishing of six 11 technically seven foot chris bosh and they got mike conley doesn't solid you have a very nice b plus player in a lot of areas

My player is special I have The James Harder shooting really brings them together with that height All right Here's what I have For body I have

DeAndre Jordan Shooting I have Michael Red Defense I have Bill Russell Finishing Ben Simmons Passing Mono Genoble I have the perfect

Stretch 5 Until you see Mark Eton's big ass Shooting 3 is like Chris Mullen Oh there is a more perfect stretch 5 Yeah Yeah, exactly.

DeAndre Jordan's pretty big himself, too, though, so not a huge difference. And he's jumping over, Mark Eaton, as well, so. Jumping over, okay. Now with David Robinson fucking swat and shots. We're clothes lining, DeAndre Jordan. Prime Ben Simmons? He could dunk on some people. He couldn't dunk on Troy Young, though.

Tragic. Oof. My bad. All right. The next thing we're going to do, I think you're going to show us something. Mo, and what is it? Ah, yes. So over the last few really months, year, we've been over here guessing NBA players, whether we buy their eyes, by their baby pictures, or by their celebrity, looks likes.

This time around, we have another bag. We have another layer added into our bag. And I want y'all to go ahead and guess the NBA player by their nose. We did so many variations. We did eyes, mouth. Knows is simply the next loss of step. We did voice before. Yeah, voice as well.

Voice is hard. Okay. All right. So I want to see if you guys can get the NBA player by their nose. First up, who is this player? I see that mustache, and I immediately think of one man, one prophet, one theorizer. I see a chief. You see a chief.

Hella. Exactly. I see Kyrie Irving. Okay, correct, damn it. That big brain was jumping through the screen. It says nose, that distinguishable, or is it his mustache combination? Both. Yeah, I see the cheekbones coming up.

I recognize that smile. Okay, okay. That was easy. That was easy. Next step. Guess this player. That looks at G Herbo. He does.

Oh my God. However. I look exactly like G. Herbo. See, this is the little. tough because I feel like you can go a couple different ways with it, but he is, he is light skin. Something about that mustache just seems, just seems a little bit off, right? The skin is throwing off.

His skin is so clear. He looks so smooth. I don't know. Now, if you're thinking about men in the NBA and who cares about their skin like that, I feel like a lot of the younger generation, they really put a lot of time and care into their skin routines. I think I have a guess. I think I have a guess.

go for it is this the ex splash brother Jordan Poole you are not correct now I'm just going to go with the low hanging fruit

light skin we got to guess every time is this Jason Tatum this is Jason Tatum oh my god that never works it finally hits yeah it finally worked that never happened

if you always say his name and it's not him you finally got one congratulations his mustache is separated Yeah Steve Kerr got him in the blender bro

The man is looking lush I mean he's using face mask He has the gel mask on it Now he's looking smooth Tragal mask Just a little cut Just say you're attracted to him Isaac LMA is getting him right

Next player Who is this guy This man is old He is cheesing That is a wide smile He got a lot to be happy about me Like this Yeah

He said he's old I'm the old players we have in the NBA right now Just a couple Let's run through the gramps It's not Hasams retired It's one less gramp

It's not him It's not Kyle Lerick Tucker It's not Chris Paul Listen I feel like we only have One option to To go with this Feeling a little

Ew Crowning himself This is LeBron James Damn it It is LeBron James All right You guys are a row right now This next one's actually going to be really hard.

These next few are going to be hard. All right. If you don't know so much, who is this guy? Oh, is that? That's Tyler Hero. That's your guess? You're wrong. Next guess.

What? You ain't getting this. This looks like Moes from the office. It's a Moes shrew. No. I'm stuck. You guys are not getting this. This is Austin Reeves?

Nope. It's not Austin Reeves. This is European. This is European player, right? Does JJ Reddick? No, it's not JJ Reddick. No, bro. That is a balkan nose.

That's a European player, isn't it? Balkan nose specifically. I don't know. You tell me. Who are the whites? This nose is useful. Who are the ethnic whites? You sure?

You sure? This is a spicy white? Who does Gilbert Arenas hate? Who does Gilbert Arenas hate? I don't know. I'm stump. I'm stumped. Who is it? He said, Donovan said, is this a spicy white?

He's not even spicy white. This is Lonzo Ball. Oh. Lonzo Ball. This is Lonzo Ball. Who would have knew? I was so wrong. It's unbelievable.

I mean, he's light. He's bright. His European genetics were hitting hard when he was, when his mother is so bright. I've never seen him looking bright in this picture. Yeah. This is crazy. My bad, Lonzo. you said spicy white that's not that bad

no that is bad he's not that or at least I thought yeah wow okay and y'all are in the blender right now all right who is this player oh I have a absolutely idea

he'd be smelling a lot you smelling a lot smelling or smiling he don't smell bad I wouldn't know that those accusations are not on me I don't know this is Trey Murphy No, but you're not extremely far off at all. Not extremely far.

I like this is tough. This is tough. It's not Herb Jones. Nope. It's not Brandon Ingram. Nope. Not her. It's not her.

It's not C.J. Okay. Let's take it with the smelling a lot part because I'll be bulls. That means nothing. Who's a big sniffer? Interesting. Okay, I promise he's not a sniffer. Please don't take that.

This is tough. I have no idea who this is. Really? You have no idea. Nothing is coming to mind. Okay. I'm cooked. I throw on the white flag.

Look at the other black men on your screen. Is this Mikhail Bridges? Donovan, you just blew up the spot because this is McKell Bridges. How did you not know? This is tough. This is this man you look in the mirror way too much and I know this was Michael This is this is much harder than why I thought it was going to be Yeah, that was tough. I don't know what keels knows looked like that yeah now I thought I would have to

Noses this year. Oh my God you and him have the same exact nose Donovan I got a really without a doubt Who is this player? I thought that was LeBron again. I don't even know No wrong old black man. Sorry This Kyle Lowry no not Carl Lowry Damar no not

Damar oh we're just rattling off old dudes yeah old black guys not Damar not Kyle Lowry or the older black guys I will say

he was teammates with one of those guys he was teammates with one of those guys was teammates of one of those guys hmm no actually I lied he played on actually they weren't teammates a transaction was

great swat for them yeah The transaction So Okay, so Damar has been traded He was traded to San Antonio That was for Kauai

Is this a current player? Is this Kauai? He's actually not in the NBA anymore Freshly. Oh Is this Lamarges Aldrich? I don't know No, no

He's freshly out of the NBA Joe Johnson No, no He's like freshly out of the NBA Like real fresh Real fresh Yeah, he just got the boot Pat Ben

He just got the boot this is Patrick Beverly oh my god yes oh they just deported his ass yeah send his ass to Israel god damn

oh my god yeah rest in piss bozo shout to the pat beth pot though I didn't see that whatsoever yeah that was incredibly hard yeah I got you

wow man I'm gonna cook I'm not a real man know we're like mo is we gotta switch switch seats again he did this for listen listen listen listen Who is this player?

Is this Janus? Stop the count. This is Janus. Wow. What can you wait so fast? I know him. I know him. Yeah.

I know Janus. Okay. I've seen my glorious Greek man. Okay. Okay. You got it. You got it. You got it.

You got one. Who in the blender? You're in the blender. All right. You got one more player. Who is this guy? Skinny face. Who is this man?

Is this Kyle Lowry? No. Do you Kyle Lebr had skinny face? No. Is this a hard one? Is this a twist at the end? Is this Demandoros? No, it's not a duro twist.

Damn, you wanted to be tomorrow so bad. Yeah, I really think of it. Pinson. Theo. Nah, no. No, shout out to his podcast, but no. Theo Dark. Thadde is young.

Nope. Who got the my bags like that? Thanassus. Nope, not the Nasces. Dane. These guys. Fuck knows that day. Not Dame, not Dame, not Dame.

Dame's lighter than this. Alfa Rukamino. No. This guy's is. actual good player actual good player yeah like all star yes

oh it's an all star who looks like not the marcus cousins now this player did sustain an injury that makes him look undistinguishable sometimes when it comes to close-ups what's injury happened last year a facial injury yeah

who got Joel and Bede no not Joel Embed Who got that level of elite, though, for sure. Is this Shea Goulders Alexander? This is Shea gorgeous Alexander. Look at the nose. It's so perfect, so slim.

Oh, because you cut off the sides of the face and made it look skinny, but you just didn't show all the way to the edge. Again, I'm a manipulator. That's a shade gorgeous Alexander. Yes. Look at this facial. Look at this side, bro. He's called me a mutt?

No. I said much. Much. What is that? What is you? say? I thought he had mutt like a dog. I'm like, what? Like a dog? You thought he called you a filthy animal? But yeah. That's crazy. The first thing you point out is that his face was harmed because you're paying that much attention to it last year. You are ridiculous. He did

I think he got elbowed in the face or whatever and like he almost jeopardized. I forgot who did it too. Whoever did it? You were praying for Zora. You were praying for a lot. Praying for a lot. But that's the clip. All right, man Next thing we're going to do We're gonna talk We're gonna do something we did Actually no we're gonna do something else first

Okay We're gonna talk about You know there's a lot of talk about Is LeBron Our players are scared of him Does he intimidate his opponents All this shit That people will say like

He wasn't striking fear And his opponents like Kobe was And all this stuff We're gonna talk about that So I'm gonna name two NBA players You're gonna tell me Which one was scarier to root against When your team played them

I want to put myself as in a position of a fan not even a fan as a player who would I would not want to guard Yeah who would strike fear in your heart

if you were playing against them or rooting against him either one Okay First name Paul George or Damien Lillard Dame In a heartbeat too

In a heartbeat Do you know how the game winner that Damilard has Bro if Dame gets going Damn can get you 70 Like you have to guard him So high up And Paul George's like

listen sometimes he might be himself but with dame the the work starts 94 feet we're gonna have to pick him up we're gonna we're gonna have to make sure to get the ball out his hands he does he does so much i'm after 2019 paul george himself might be scared to playing david it's like we've seen his head to head yeah exactly now paul george does have plenty of highlights some posters and also some crossovers but they don't match up to the caliber that dame has done over the period over the time of his career okay okay real easy one to start off lebron james or coby bryant oh it's coby it's coby it's coby i wouldn't want to play lebron because it's because like but you know that like lebron's going to come out here 27 seven and seven it really doesn't matter

he's going to do what lebron does and it's just going to be like i can't really do anything Kobe going to hiss at you Just And he was like What is happening right now? I'm going to roll out of the court We playing basketball and he hissing at me what No

I just don't know what's going to happen It's the unknown If I was playing, listen That's easy to say I'm sure all those motherfuckers I had to play LeBron the East for all those years Felt hopeless as shit You said he's gonna get his 27, 7 and 7

Like it's nothing I'm gonna be scared of shit Because I can't stop that And nothing I can do is gonna fucking matter because brown lebron is just going to do whatever he wants that's terrifying but you know he just he's also bigger and stronger right so you're like hey if you're that big you're that fast go ahead do what you do Kobe tech tactician right you're like i don't i feel like i should be able to stay in front and i can't both lebron know i think being bigger stronger is pretty scary

you might not read the scene the next day if you have to guard lebron james you're not going to walk the same if you have to guard lebron james while also being a tactician LeBron is that too, but he's What did I say that was crazy? Did you say you're not going to walk the same after Guarded LeBron James? Yeah, because he's going straight through your chest. You're getting destroyed.

You're not going to sleep the same after you play Kobe Bryant. It's going to be different. He's giving you nightmares. The day before, the day after, it's Kobe. I will not pretend LeBranto didn't happen. We gave this guy the key to an international city

because he was this horrifying to an organization. It's not my fault. law we can't make shots it's not on me it's not my fault mark jones is an amazing commentator we catch you're catching phrases that's that's not that's not my fault i'm sorry you're giving credit to mark jones now you're such a level of hair you've never seen before shout out mark jones i love mark jones shout out mark jones next one step kurry or nikola yokic step damn this is so hard as a lakers fan this Fucking Serbian motherfucker has been terrorizing me for two years.

I can tell you firsthand it is horrifying to ruin against this man that you know it was going to make the right play every single time down the court. It's awful. But also I remember 2016. The type of irritation... Go ahead. If you watched unanimous MVP Steph Curry

walked through your team's doors on a random February during his MVP run, there was nothing more horrifying. If his teammate was... If this was like Dremont... and step in attain him and i got to like experience those screens as well then i'm 110 10% leaning the staff staffs away oh andrew bogot screen oof andrew bogot screens are you kidding me

bro i like my kneecaps actually i intend to walk when i'm 50 60 years old that being said i'm leaning with nikolioch i'm if he's scarier for sure because there's no solving scheming game planning around that at all if you loaded up NBA 2k 16 you would know that step curry is one of the scariest players that you have ever played against it's it's step okay but at the same time too step put a man in the hospital what are we talking about here you nearly killed a man on the court yeah listen true if you want to talk about is you want talking about putting men in the hospital Markief morris was never the same yeah I'm talking about just just from back just from

basketball not from extracurriculars just because he could if you want extracurricular, though, too. Yokch's got two big-ass brothers in the stands waiting for you to try some any second. He got shooters around the building. I dare you. How many of Yokch? I mean, listen, if this was like an episode of power or something, yeah, I'm scared of Yokic. But like, if we're just talking basketball, I don't want to play Curry.

I don't want to play either of these guys. What's the worst thing that could happen if you play Curry, bro? And you like, yeah. You die. What do you mean? You lose three finals? Your legacy gets tarnished, bro. I guess Jalen Brunson or Draymond Green

I mean Draymond might kill you Like you might just upset him to where you might end up unconscious He's knocking the sonic coins out of you Yeah Yeah exactly With Jalen Brunson like It's more annoying. He just gives you a bunch of nice buckets Annoying for sure he's going to hit you one of these

And I'm going to be like all right bro you're doing too much But that's normal with Jemond Green, you're not walking out the arena the same way that you walked in the arena. You're going to be in a wheelchair. Your face might have some inflammation. Your ribs might be cracked. I'm leaning Jayne LaMonton. Or Draymond Green for sure.

Yeah. Jermon is so much scarier. You might be infertile after the game. True. Jesus Christ. The imagery you created in my head is so brutal on multiple occasions. Damn. Stephen Adams.

I'm so sorry. All that house White pick a fence Dream is gone It's over He ruins the American dream Hey Juan The American dream

Next up Joel Embed Or Jimmy Butler Time about Did you put a nose ring on Joel No that's an eye That just happened in the back saying the Oh okay

It's so funny I was like when he's going to show up with that If Jimmy looks like this I don't want to play him why i'm because i'm just scared of this picture demons exactly i feel like he's just gonna like i am he's gonna like reach out just stare at me just now the underworld going to come out and grab your fucking ankle bro from the court it's gonna be scary if you're paying this version of jimmy bowler yeah i don't know i don't like that i think i'd rather i think playing

jimmy baller scarier because you're helping his underdog story If I am rooting for a sub-500 team in November of a regular season, NBA year, Joel and Bede's giving me 50 every time. That's horrifying. If the game matters, I want Jimmy Bully on the other side of the planet. 100%. See, it's his haircut, too. Listen, I can't do.

I can't do it. And B's low-key dirty, too, so you might, again, end up very injury if you play against them. Everybody stomped on Graham-Holiam's head. That was crazy. Everybody squished gremble in his face against the fucking floor. Yeah, I'm leaning towards dwelling beat, actually. I changed my mind. I know.

I need my face intact. Kyrie Irving or Jason Tatum? Kyrie. Are you kidding me? I'm not scared of Jason Tatum. I'm not scared. Again, Jason Tatum is one of those players. Listen, just stay in front.

He will guard himself, right? I don't he has he has three moves that he wants to get to and I'm perfectly okay with that Kyrie not only might beat me even if he misses the shot he might embarrass me before the shot even goes up I can't I can't about that that's too much I think if it's June 2016 I'd be really horrified to play Kyrie Irving if it's any time after that in the last eight years I'm willing to bet I'll be all right in a playoff setting but I'd also be willing to bet that you're going to be in one of his top 15 plays of all time you know brother have you ever guarded a dribble moves in a row?

Hmm. A dribble combos? I can't say I have. Can't say have. It's tough. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Your peers down to toilet. Oh, Dam's on you twice. That wasn't supposed to happen. Oh, Brackett.

Oh, I miss you. Uh-oh. Imagination. Luca Donchich or Damian Lillard. This white man is dangerous. He is to be feared. And he's going to talk shit too. Yeah.

And he's big as hell. And he can also on top of that, too. He can not only, like, hurt you from the inside. But deep shooter two, uh, he's certainly more scary. Both of these men have taken turns terrorizing Paul George. Who do you think did him worse? Uh, definitely dame for sure. Yeah.

Because, uh, Paul George didn't own up to it. It's a bad shot. And it was for the series. Yeah, so. If I'm Paul George, I'm definitely going to say dame scarier. But I'm not Paul George. That's why I'm leaning liquid ditch. I'm going, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to Luca.

The way that Luca can turn it on instantly, when Luca's on fire, every shot that he puts up, I feel like it's going in. And even when he's super cold, I still feel like he can rattle off 20 in a row, easy. So I'm terrified of playing Luca. Yeah, same. Not a fun experience at all. We had people thinking that the Mavericks could hang around with the Celtics just because of Luca. True. Is that nasty?

Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to show you guys two NBA teams, and I want you guys to make the best combined starting five possible out of both of those teams. And the twist this time is it's going to be old versus new with the same organization. I like these Swiss. Let's do it.

Good to it. Yeah, we've done this before. It's a real fun. So it's very simple. Let's make the best combined starting five as possible. You got the 2016 calves and the 2024 calves. All right, so point guard, Kyrie. Are we sure?

Keep on. 100% sure 100% Donald Mitchell the two guard easy yes okay

and obviously the bronze of three yes power forward and center is hard you have obviously got Jared Allen

Evan Mobley Kevin Love Tristan Thompson because you got three ball handlings you need to have the right fit here I think I might lean

towards Kevin Love yeah for spacing yeah for spacing reasons he doesn't clash with anybody else I'm taking you want to Evan Mobley at the five

or Jared Allen. I'm taking Jared Allen. Yeah. Jared Allen's the more finished product for sure. Better passer as well. I think he'll be really good at the five in the playoffs last year. I feel like if you put him, especially with LeBron and everybody there. Five games in enough. Five games in enough. Jared Allen was an all-star. Give me the all-star. If I'm if LeBron's looking at this, he would also pick Jared Allen as well. What's funny is that you called Jared Allen's all-star fake like two weeks ago. I said it was make a wish, but it was still a wish that came true because it was in Cleveland.

The ball was there too and he would do the same exact thing. Okay, okay. We feel good about a Kyrie, D. Mitch, defensive backcourt with LeBron? I mean, not really, but we'll rock. We'll get Bucket. They have three defensive biobiles and Kevin

Love, Kyrie, and DeMitch. That's kind of nasty. Once again, we'll get buckets. But what other options do they have? You want to start Isaac O'Iks? Yikes. Yuck. Nope. I think the offensive

firepower trumps all. Yeah. Okay. He said, I mean, not really for this frog. I don't love it. Yeah. The 2008 Celtics are the 2024 Celtics, and the 2024 Celtics. This is, oh my God.

This is nasty. So obviously, we're going to go Kevin Garnett. Are we going him at center or power forward? We can put people anywhere. I think I put him at power forward. Put him at power forward. Okay, Tatum starts. Paul Pierce starts.

We have two wings. Do you want to go three and four with them and put KG at the five? No, I want KP starting. I need KP starting alongside KG. You want KP there too? Yes, the spacing is ridiculous. Who's going to point guard first? Let's decide that.

Who's going to point guard? Drew Holiday, I guess. Cool dude. Drew or Derek? We don't want Rondo. Rondo's lack of shooting messes up everything. But if you were to have a non-shooter in any scenario with KP at the 5, this is where it would be okay. but you know what no

Ray Allen's strong at the two Ray Allen was a part of these days too damn oh Jaylon Brown we got to start Jalen Brown do we no do we need I'm on my Grant Hill for fit purposes I'm on a bench give me Ray Allen

don't think Jalen Brown fits here's Jalen Brown Paul Pierce Tatum that's crazy athleticism on the way Here's my proposed lineup Rondo at the one Ray Allen at the two Tatum at the 3

KG at the 4 KP at the 5 Wow I think I would go Rondo Jalen Brown Pierce Tatum KG Wow

We're all so split right now Is it Rondo? Yeah Rondo Okay As long as we can agree on that Yeah because these guys have needed a point guard for seven years And Rondo and KG

And then you have three athletic wings in the middle That has to be the answer I need to start KP though Like that's my thing I really want to start KP I really want to start KP I just don't have to Yeah you do for me at least

I don't do KP KG Pierce Tatum And then give me Rondo I feel like I feel like they need legitimate Like Because if you're gonna have KG start at the 5

And you're gonna have Rondo at the 1 You need like bona fide shooting in that lineup That's why I think Ray needs to be there So we can Jalen Brown is a shooter He's not Ray Jalen Brown He's not

The defense is absurd He's not Ray Allen Like I think like You can You put Jalen at the 3 Put Tatum at the 4 Put KG at the 5

And fuck Paul Pierce I'm sorry but like You just don't fit right now Jason Tatum's getting no minutes On Team USA Paul Pierce would be fine It's gonna be okay Wow

That's nasty And we're so split in this one No consensus here interesting. You guys really don't want to start KP. You guys don't want the DemiGat five out there alongside KG. No, I have Kevin Garnett at the five. But he's not shooting threes though. Kevin Garnett. That's fine. It's Kevin Garnett. I agree it's Kevin Garnett, but you're doing him a service by having some like KP out there. KP. He doesn't have more spacing than these other guys. Like at the four, you'd rather have

Jason Tatum and Paul Pierce. That's more spacing than having KP. I'm no. My lineup, I'm start. I also have Paul Pierce and Jason Tatum on there. I have KP., K.G, Tatum Pierce, and I have Rondo. Humongous line. Yeah, Jaylen Brown gives you more spacing than KP does. Jalen Brown gives you, no, he doesn't. What are you talking about? He absolutely does. I mean, KP has great spacing for a big, but having a six-seven guy that can move and provide athleticism is more spacing. KP. is a better shot. K. P. gives you space when he's the five. How does he give you better spacing? Yeah, exactly. I know. So, I'm putting KP. at the five. That was my whole thing. And Kevin Garnett's better at the five.

Fuck the spacing. You got to have Kevin Garnett down there. KG might as well be the fucking five. It doesn't matter the five or the four because he's going to eat when he's going downhill at all times. We're still split. We're not going to do you. We're spending too much time with this.

KV doesn't... I'm opening your ass on 2K with this team. I swear to God I am. Now we'll leave on the sticks. Next one. We got the 2015 Warriors and the 2024 Warriors. Does give me everybody on the 2015 Warriors and we can keep it moving.

Just one through five? Just one through five. Yes. You tell me, Trace Jackson Davis doesn't stand a chance? Stop it. He's getting washed by Andrew Boggett. Ooh. I guess those screens.

Those are different. And that's post-injury Andrew Bogot, too. He's still getting washed. I guess. I guess. Next one. Ooh. What year is it?

The 2018 Pelicans and the 2024 Pelicans. So the picture is wrong. He didn't by the right year. But we have DeMarcus Cousons on this team. Hmm. and Drew Holiday. Okay, we do have DeMarcus. Andy Davis goes to the five.

Yes. AD goes to the five. We're not playing DeMarcus cousins. I'm sorry. No, what? Zion's better than DeMarcus cousins. You can't have Zion. See, we need to have a conversation about prime DeMarcus cousins.

I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing. I see on Twitter all the time. It's very funny. We need a defender here, though. Do you go Herb Jones in the three? Sure. Sure. Drew Holiday at the two

Sure Who's the last player there We could put Drew Holiday at the one or the two Do you want to go Rondo to get passing Do you want to go Brandon Ingram to get scoring Seed McCorm to get shooting I'll take Rondo for sure Rondo in the playoff Rondo that year in 2018

Was it 2018, 2019 That's when they upset the point of Trubley That's terrible spacing though That's horrible spacing as a team I don't care Rondo's gonna figure it out It doesn't matter Rondo's is a cheeco

He'll just figure it out. Yeah, one of the best basketball minds. For sure, playoff, Rondo. Oh, my God. You must have not have been around. 2018. Yeah. There's a different millennia.

All right, that team sucks. We'll keep a move in. Rondo, you hear that? Tragic. The 2013 Pacers and the 2024 Pacers. All right, so at the one. Tyrese is starting still. Great.

Halliburton. Do you go Paul George is the two, or Paul, George is a three. Paul Jordan's at the two. Okay. Are we putting Siakum at the four? Is that a given? Mal, no, David West,

you know, body some people. All right, let's be real. I love, you know, I've drafted David West multiple times on this podcast,

but he can't be a part of this list right here. He's not a part of this one. Okay, see what the four, we get one more guard and a big. Do we go Miles Turner

for the spacing or Roy Hibbert for the verticality? He just looks his hands up. That's it. You know, vert. Radicality. I think I'm, uh, I'm taking miles. Yeah, Miles.

I value the spacing. And also, he was, he was an elite shot blocker. So I don't respect to YouTube legend Roy Hibbert. Oh my God, you're right. He is a peak YouTuber right now. Sorry. No comment. At the two.

Let me know. Do we go last Stevenson? Ooh. Yes. Oh, my God. Yeah, is it the best player available? It's the most fun option, though. Yeah, he has gone to need another defender.

Can we just have fun? Can we just take? Haliburne and Stevenson would be so fun to watch. The fuck. Let's go fun. Yeah. The fuck he's going to be hilarious. We're going with this year spacers plus PG and Stevenson.

Okay. What's not to love about it? Eric Tariman. Next one. The 20, what year did I write down? I didn't put the years on here I wrote down 2009

the 2010 Lakers and the 2024 Lakers Okay Fish Derek Fisher Is Fisher over I can't LeBron a point guard

I can't Eh let's let's be Let's just have it Okay Kobe's the two And Anthony Davis is the five Yes We'll start there Yes

Paogosol four No sorry Paogosol Lebron AD needs to be the five Without We don't We see what happens when you put a big

that can't shoot next to AD it's 2024 we don't need to do that but in 2020 80 you could shoot I still want AD to play center AD you hear that they're not trying to cater

towards you this is how they treat you oh they're in L.A. Exactly what do you mean this is a caterer towards them I'd rather have LeBron to 4

and AD at the 5 I think okay you guys on Pogosol OD you a palo but and the spacing would be yuck we're gonna lock

everybody down so it really doesn't matter but you know what yeah well let's say the quiet part we haven't talked about yet metal pieces are three right yeah yeah i thought we all agreed silently okay you can't have you can't have bogg's all there too that's basically would be atrocious but you need someone to goby with though you need someone to throw off the opponent ad's been in l.a for a while he's probably got some spanglish in him he hasn't been in the trenches of l.a what are you talking about you know lebron is taco tuesday he's got a little something yeah but he commercialized that he ain't he in a real He's the type of guy to like, he's a type of guy to speak regular English and then he goes guacamole mid-sentence and like says it with the accent.

That's enough. All right. So we have Fisher, Kobe, Meta, LeBron, A.D. Are we sure about Fisher? Over. He's a great spacer. Yeah. Okay.

He's clutz. I don't want. He's argument. I don't want D. I don't want D. No, I don't want. No, Reeves? Nah.

I'm not sure Derek Fisher is actually better than Reeves But Derek Fisher has his ring Yeah Reeves is better than Fisher I need somebody who's just gonna stand over there And do this And I know I know Derek Fisher can do that And hit and his shots

Yeah and just hit shots That's it But the hillbilly Kobe and the real Kobe Would be so hard Stop that Stop that Whatever I mean we're pretending like we're leaving

Like a star off this list right now Are we not going to Dalton connect? All right, so the next option. Next team. That's the last one. Thank you. Bring that bald head of L.A. The next thing we're going to do,

we're going to bring back another game we haven't done in quite a while now. I am going to name five categories of players. I need you guys to list to name a player from each of these categories without saying the same name as me. So I would say like, rookie of the year.

You guys would say a player and I flip my thing over and you guys have to try it to say the same name. If you do, you're eliminated. We see who can make it through all five. We got a CIPAD too, right? Yeah, I got my iPad, yeah. Oh, because you can't see this camera. I'll just say it all loud. The people will see it.

Okay. So you guys ready? Yes. Let's do it. I'm trying to be right now. The first player, name an NBA player whose first name starts in the letter K. Okay. Three, two, one.

Containious, Conradice, Conno, Pope. It was Kyrie Irving Donovan's out on the first round Loser Dummy One and done Elbozo Just like Team USA

I'm going all the way This is the only day I'm proud of American Next one Name an NBA player That has led the league in blocks before Oh shit Three

Two One Jaron Jackson, Jr. Oh my God, you guys suck. It's Sharon Jackson Jr. You guys are out that fast. I knew it. NBA players...

I can't even make a TikTok out of this. You guys sold it instantly. Who could I have named Rudy O'Bair? Yes, or so many other players in history. Yeah. Jared Jackson was just so top of mind when it comes to that because it was whole controversy. I thought you were going Kevin Durant.

Now that's not being posted? No. You guys just win. It's a generational cell. Oh, we're running back one more time. fuck okay I'll run it back one more time but I'm gonna have to pull two out of masks I don't have a picture for it all right cool actually not figure this out we'll start over we'll start over we'll make it easy for you guys we'll give you

one more chance to redeem yourself all right so I'm in five NBA categories you got a name a player that isn't the one I name okay number two overall pick three two one Michael Beasley oh wow I was gonna say Kevin Durant Lonzo Ball You guys are safe for the first round Yes We're so back We're so back

Okay Who don't want to pull out now Name a player Who played for the Warriors During the 2010s Okay Okay Three two

One Jared Jack Andre Gadawa Mm We're good You got survived Two rounds okay. Better start than last time.

We're prepared. Next one. Name an elite passer. Of all time or just right now? Okay, cool. Let's do it. Currently playing. An elite passer is currently playing. Okay, cool. Let's do it. Okay. Donnell looks stressed. Yes, yeah. Three, two, one. Tyree Taliburton. Oh my God. You guys survive. Chris Paul.

There we go. I thought you guys would say the point, God. Name a NBA player in the Western Conference who was a former MVP. Former MVP in the West. Okay. Not to anybody who's wanted an MVP and they currently play in the West.

There's only a few of them. Damn it. There's Russ Kinney Hardin, LeBron. Three, Steph. One. Kevin Derry. Give me James Hardin. Wow.

You guys survive. It is Russell Westwood. There we go. I know for sure I got people in the comments with Russell Westbrook I know he was an easy pick Losers

That's the one that I knew you were going to go with Yeah okay Okay They guys made it to the last round I'm stumped on everything Do you think it'll come clutch I don't know Absolutely

Name an NBA player That has won rookie of the year In the last 20 years While playing for the Philadelphia 76ers Okay With three options There's a few Yeah

I'm cooked Do, do, do, do, do I don't know if he's going to do it Three, two, one Ben Simmons Oh my God, you guys are both victorious I pick Michael Carter Williams Yes, I was so close to picking

MCW, oh my God Thank you. Shout out Ben Zins are coming through delivering a championship to you guys Ben Simmons You'll love to see it. You came through. Thank you. Love that.

Need that Need that redemption You guys started off Doing absolutely horrendous The worst loss You guys have ever done in this But you redeemed yourself Ah

Hey I didn't do as bad as a dude Watch them on the screen right now He did horrendous He lost multiple times Embarrassing We got one more video Before we get out of here We're gonna do a little projections

The next season You know We've been doing our rankings We're talking about What we recently saw And like gauging everybody Now we're gonna do a big jump in time.

We're going to look forward to next year this time. So I'm going to have two NBA players. You let me know which one will be better by the end of next season. Okay. So not now. Who's going to be better

in a calendar year from now? First off, Kevin Durant or Anthony Edwards? Ooh, a whole year from now. I think Malian Anthony Edwards, his defense is that much better and I think he'll be close to the scoring numbers of Kevin Durant.

He won't be as efficient for sure, but it'll be close volume wise I don't know man Katie's still Katie's gonna be this good for a while I think he's not gonna take a step back I don't think

you're right he has no kids no family no wife just him in basketball that's all he stresses him out Anthony Edwards though he got it what is of clear mind I don't know if I can say about the other

however he got a lot of responsibilities but that also makes him hungry exactly driving factors and motivating factors Andy Edwards needs to lock in this year he has no other option he got bills to pay for show you right and child support is not cheap i think i'm gonna go i'm gonna go and just because i think that his situation will allow him to be a better player where kevin current is gonna have to carry a whole bunch that might not be

where he's at in at this point in his career i'm gonna go in okay passing of the guard I agree mentor passes up or I fumbled that The next one Alper and Sangoon or Scotty Barnes It's going to be Scottie Barnes He's better right now He's going to be better in a year He'll probably be better in five years

I don't I don't think this is too close Rockets fans are going to get their fucking crow bars All the Turkish Rockets fans are going to Get their soccer wrenches are coming for you Listen Turkey Turkish Rockets fans Relax I'm going to need to go to Turkey eventually I've come to peace with it I need to get into the country in about, you know, five to 10 years.

So just relax. Let me in. I got a fight in the next four months. If you want to come, let me know. I just, I just need a quote. I just need to see how much it's going to be, right? That's Scottie Barnes easily. He's way more versatile on every aspect of the game.

Although, after Sangu, I love the post moves. I absolutely love the flashy passes. But I think I have a lot, hell of a lot easier time building around Scotty Barnes because there's no real weakness to his game. Yeah, I think Sengu's going to prove a lot of people this year that he's better than they think But I think Scotty Barnes is going to be one of those promising forwards in the NBA And this is going to be a he really shows everybody In order for Sengoon to pass him up he literally has to take a scoring to another level

Yeah, I think the defense is chopped That's the scoring for me that has to be crazy Well, looks like this conversation's over Like victory for Scotty Barnes The Canadians are up Victory again Shout out to the Canadians Next up

Jason Tatum or LeBron James I'm not doing this again Do it again I've sat on my decision From a couple weeks ago And I don't like it I'm gonna pick LeBron James Until he's out the league

I am never gonna predict The LeBron James fall off until we see it I'm done pretending he I'm done pretending he's not a top What seven player in the world I'm just gonna sue he keeps doing this until he doesn't Yeah I 100% agree LeBron has been

He's the better He's been the better shooter To compare to Jason Tatum Over the last few years Better finisher Better passer Rebounding Jason Tatum got it But congratulations

No one cares about that Lebron's been better Will always be better I respect the championship I said Tatum should have been Finals MVP It doesn't make him better than LeBron I'll have a better

Yeah never mind No one needs to have better that He got the hairline Yeah The hairline is crisp Top top five for sure. Top five.

Next up. Anthony Davis or Victor Wimonyama. Say your piece, Mo. No, no, no. Begner being a top 10 NBA players, tough.

That's tough. Do you think it's going to happen? I think he's going to be close. I think he's going to be super close to. But you're still taking, you're still taking AD? You think that's tough? I'm standing for one of the most underrated

greatest players of all times. and Anthony Ed and Anthony Davis. Well, you're wrong because Wemby is going to be better. I don't think it's tough at all to predict Anthony. I don't think it's tough at all to imagine Winby's a top 10 player. I'll say that. Very easy to imagine. It's kind of about

the top seven. Top. Okay. Let's relax. Why? Why should we relax? We just have a 7. We just have a 7 6 demigod who is going to be the best defender in the league. His office.

Offense is getting better. He's going to have a point guard. He's not going to play with Jeremy Sohan. He's getting, he's adding more muscle onto him this offseason. When you're 7-Eleven and you can pass it like that, what's not the love? What are we talking about here? All right, all right, all right, all right. You guys can give you a win.

He's hitting stepbacks as well. Andy Davis hasn't shot a three consistently in four years. When we walked into the league and was like, watch me do this. try this you can't even be in the game of course defensive player of the year award next year we'll shock you all he's never getting that no I think it'll be close I think 80s underrated obviously but I if it's not this year

it'll be the next year where wendy plues to be like a top eight player so I don't think it's crazy to think it'll happen this year when we can't be top 15 first y'all want to put him in eight already damn he's like top 25 now at worst like he's not that far off when he's talking about the second half of last year

top 20 that's not ridiculous That is very ridiculous I'm just kidding It's not No it's not Yeah Okay next up

Cade Cunningham or Jamal Murray See nobody really watches Detroit Pistons basketball And so because of that It's really like one player Versus just an idea of Kate Cunningham So I'm gonna go with Jamal Murray And so we'll see that Now if it's

If it's Olympic Jamal Murray Kaine Cunningham would be better But if we If it's a little bit Jamal Murray Ish Smith is going to be better Exactly But if you put Yokies next to him Oh no he can hoop now

Todd Exactly You put Yokers next to me And I could hoop What are you talking about? Now I'm gonna go Kine Cunningham I think this is gonna be the year Finally where he starts

Put together Hopefully the team is a little more serious With the serious coach That puts lineups around him That makes sense And don't have him fighting for his life K's gonna prove this year To be like legitimately

One the most Up and coming promising young point guards I think he's gonna leave his mark as a surefire like top 7, 8 point guard in the NBA because that's what spacing immediately does to his game

bro. You got Tobias Harris in his corner. Hey, give him a 37% shooter. He got Tim Hardway in his corner. I ain't say he could shoot though. Deer and Fox level, but okay. I think he's going to make that type of

that type of leave. Seven nine. That's not, I respect you for you. Seven. I have all the Kuttingham snacks. Yeah, seven. Snacks.

Snacks. I have all the Kuttingham stocks. Yeah. Okay. next one Jonathan Caminga or Brandon Miller Brandon Miller has always been better than Kaminga without a doubt

Always been Always been better The one year he's been in the league Yeah Even when he was a better player It's just different ceilings See the media wants me to pick Jonathan Kaminga

They want me to say that Kaminga is going to be better I'm not going to do it I'm going to say Brian one horse Them Brian Michelle Beatle The people

You know what I'm saying Rachel Nichols Do you know them Richard Jefferson? You know You know Yeah What does John and Cominga

Have to do in his game To be better than Like Brandon Miller He has to be a consistent shoot There's so many questions in this game It's too many questions for me Yeah I mean Brandon Miller also has a benefit

Of only having one year where you have rookie expectations so you don't pick nitpick his flaws yet Jonathan Camiga is going to be like he's what is he three years older like it won't be crazy at all

if year five Kaminga is better than year two Brennan Miller but year five Kaminga has a lot more to figure out in his game than a year two

coming than year two Brandon Miller and will Brandon Miller shot like 47% at the rim that man is a lot to figure out himself too he's not bulletproof

he's not some he's not palo bank arrow if year two Brandon Miller is gonna have Lamela ball with him too that can help a lot TBD to the highest degree

Curry and Draymond Green Clearly Clearly he hasn't listened up to this point So like we're talking about Caming is still trying to figure it out So yeah exactly I'll take Brandon brother All right

Chet Holmgren or Bam out of bio I'm only bam so for now Bam has He has one more year Yeah he has one more year He's like 13 more months So maybe by the end of next season I'll still have them

But the summer after that It's gonna get it's gonna get a little spicy You saw him, Bam, to enjoy his time for now Because this chain will get snatched Enjoy your time is the fourth best set in the league Counter days When be and Chet are coming Don't let him say it's not change from you

Do not let him sack that came from you, bam That's crazy Oh yeah It's not crazy I don't know I mean Chet walked into the league Is a top 10

Rim defender immediately Once that offensive profile Really comes around We see more of that dribbling More of that creating with the ball In his hands I think he's quickly going to rise up these ranks I'm not talking myself into it

Chats can be better by the end of next year Let me go with Chet I think I'm going to leave with BAM still for sure Come back in the year and tell me I'm crazy if you want I'm going to chat In 12 months Yeah Bam still consistently been better

Every single year of his career though In 12 months In 12 months BAM will be better In 12 months BAM will be better In 12 months BAM 14 months Bam

15 months Chet you give me a year in the off season Ben Chet All right, I can take it I'll accept that Jalen Green or Jalen Williams Come on man, don't disrespect

Jalen Williams like this Don't don't ever put him in the same conversations as Jalen Green He doesn't deserve that You know how I feel I'm certain picking J-dub Mo ranked

Jay-Lillums is the number eight shooting garden leagues Maybe he has higher expectations of me, but I'm going jade up without blinking. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's relax. No need to bring up the past. The past is the past. Okay, let me have that you're under the bus. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going jade up pretty easily, but I don't know if everybody agrees.

If it was the last 15, 20 games of Jalen Green, then okay. You could have an argument. But even in that argument, you would be wrong. Still take it. Yeah. If Jalen Green continues to play Donovan Mitchell in a 6-5 frame for a whole season, then we're having a different conversation, but I've got to see it to believe it. Let me see you do it in November for the first time.

Then I'll believe in it. We've seen J.W. get better every single year so far in this career. Just two years. But still, it's been consistent. Jaling Green has not been able to say that in the last three years. There's one thing. The only thing that Jalen Green has on his side is the same thing that Anthony Edwards has on his side. Bills are due now, right?

You have to provide, all right? Step up. It's now or never. You've got to be a man. and that's valid that's a motivating factor these guys at the end of the day

these athletes are people and people have the same modemating factors whatever job you have these kids need formula they gotta eat these kids are hungry like

remember 5 VanVli back in 2019 you remember won a championship yeah bro Derek White had a baby too and look at what he did it's different

it's different last one I think Jalen Brown or Palo Bancaro what heights do you see palo van caro rising to give me that's what's really about that's i don't know if um hmm jalen brown's really good he is really good i don't want to disrespect zaylan but i feel very highly about palo bank caro and his ceiling and how quickly he can get there i'm going palo van caro i'm taking the point forward too i'm taking the point forward

I think he just has to drive to the room more that's it like if he just learns how to get to the room consistently he's gonna disguise the limit but if he doesn't and he has another super inefficient year for that shot volume it's still gonna be jalen jaylin i think with uh 37 38 percent shooter by a side in kCP now instead of having marco fault as his other guard option

i think he's gonna get to the room a little bit easier because they're just naturally more threats marko i don't know if kCP is swing swinging the spacing that to that degree but I hope you're right. Markle Foltz, the dude who basically saw negative threes. Yeah. Well, he wasn't exactly

he wasn't playing that much. He was playing. Okay. I think Jaylen Brown might be safe for one more season but Palo's coming quickly. Pause. Next one. That's the last one. And that's the end of the show.

If you're supposed to hear, comment, Palo is coming quickly. I was just about to say the same thing, you freakazoid. Wait, my freak isoid too? Oh my god And we'll see you guys next week on that note