The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Power Forward In The NBA | Ep. 48

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

Today we continue our NBA off season rankings lists with the top 30 power forwards! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:26- Top 30 Power Forwards List 1:21:16- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

y'all we are officially on week four of our top 30 NBA players by position rankings we're recording this one a week in advance so if anything massive happened if damien lily got traded recently if james hardin is a clipper we're not going to talk about it because we'll know about it yet because i got mo is going on vacations and recording this early like i said but yeah man i guess we just hop right into these rankings yeah let's go we can't listen we can't do anything topical let's go let's rank we're talking y'all from the past crazy Yeah, man. Last week we did so.

Yesterday, technically, we did small forwards. And that was a pretty good list. That was coming off of the shooting guards, which was, like, horrendous. There was, like, no depth. I am sad to report. We have once again reached a horrendous list. The bottom 10 of the power forwards is nasty. It should be fun, though.

We're going to be, there's going to be a lot of reaching here. But, hey, there's going to be a lot of explaining to do, too. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah, probably a lot of names that are very different from the rest of us. 100%. 100%. I'm sorry.

I'm already looking at my list. I already see that I have made a mistake. So when we get there, we will fix it. Okay. But yeah, man, if you're, before we get into it, if you're watching on YouTube, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe. Help us reach more reviewers.

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You'll see our personal channels. All that. Hell yeah. Let's jump into this top 30. I'll go ahead and send my first five. We're going to show you to it. It is on the screen now. At number 30, I have Zachary Collins, crazy pick.

29, Kevin Love. We're starting off hot. Okay, okay. 29 Kevin Love. 28 PJ Tucker, 27 J. Crowder, and 26 Tyreezen. Having Jay Crowder on the list is so ass. I almost forgot it, but I feel so bad for him, bro. He missed, like, a whole year because he was holding out.

The world's worst holdout. I don't know who he thought he was. But it resulted him being traded to the Bucks super late in the season. And there just wasn't enough time for him to gel in the rotations. They didn't really play. So I held that against him a little bit. That's why he's so low. But I figured he probably still deserves a spot in the list because, you know, he's still

Jay Crowder. He just didn't get to play. Yeah. That is very true. Buffman 99. Brain Supreme. Trading five, what the Bucks traded for him for, for like five first or second round picks, absolutely insane.

This said not let him play. Is that what it was. I don't even remember. It was insane. Yes. I think it was like five first second round picks. Crazy. dude that's wild

there's a dude that trade the line there was slinging second around picks everybody was what of the didn't the warrior trade like five as well

for Gary Payton yeah they did exactly that needs to be in NBA nerd history yeah what do you think about this five

nasty list and names but do you guys have your crowd on your list no no I do not have

okay Crowder um but immediately I see Kevin Love is there yeah he is he was he's been

pretty Yeah, he did good in the playoffs, actually, though, which is, you know, helps your case. P.J. Tucker's there. What does he do other than, like, fire shoes? He runs around, and he tricks people into giving him money. PJ Tucker is, he's watched at this point. I'm so glad that PJ Tucker is, like, in, in Isaac's bottom five, Moe, I hope he's in yours, because he's for sure in mine, because I don't know what he does at this point in his career. He's still a decent defender, not quite what he once was, but he has some utility there.

but looking at his offensive production is fucking comical like compared to every other star in the league and the fact he takes like two shots a game average just three points like he's just like a non factor on one side of the court I've never seen an NBA player go on an historic run of not scoring

while playing over like 25 minutes a game like you have to it has to be some type of challenge or a bet or a dare that he made with like one of his friends or something like that dude that's not even possible when you have players like Joel Embed and James Harder who just command so much attention. You know, it's like how?

He did that during, he did that last season. So PJ Tucker's, regards to the fact, like, he's still valuable and I think he deserves his respect and, you know. A little bit. Every player, almost every team can use someone like BJ Tucker. I guess. Listen, his shoe game is cool, right? He seems like a very good, good locker room guy.

Like, yeah, like, I'll go props. He's a University of Texas alumni. He's going to the same school as me. That's about the nicest thing I can say about him. Yeah. That's why he made you guys this list. I understand. Listen, in 2018, I was all on the PJ Tucker train.

He was one of my favorite role players. Nowadays, he's there for clubs. He, respect. Yeah, Zach Collins making the list is a crazy turn of events. Did not expect that. But that's the bottom end of the Power 4 position for you. It was between him and you to Wadaabu from my 30th spot. Dude, Zach Collins actually played well all.

although it was on the Spurs team that had zero motion. I was surprised when I looked at his, I'm not surprised. I know we had a good season, but he averaged like 11 points a game, which is pretty solid. Yeah, and his defense is pretty good, too. He's like a, not a key part for their young core, but he's a relevant part of the rotation that they, like, are thinking about. Like, when I see Spurge fans talk about the potential lineups next year, Zach Collins,

and how he's in a fit next to Wembe is, like, a part of that equation. Yeah. Which is better than you would expect it a year and a half ago. Yeah, I almost think that he should. probably be a little bit higher, but it's Zach Collins again, and I'm not arguing anything about front of him in. Do you have Zach Collins higher? No.

Do I have him higher? Yeah, I do. Is he on my list? Okay. Well, let's go to the next five, Donovan. What do you got? All right. So at 30, I got your boy Yuta, Juan Tanabi.

Let's go. Yudah made the list. Then we get to Zach Collins. This next pick, pure potential pick, pure potential pick. Jabari Smith, Jr. I'm putting him there. Listen, he was not good last year. And I 100% understand that, but I still, I'm holding out of ass.

Yeah. And then 27, we got PJ Tucker, and then 26th, we got KJ Martin. I kind of KJ. Martin is a small forward, so I didn't include him. But if we're including him, I also would put him on my list for sure. Okay. But yes, but those are, those are my first five. Okay. How do we feel so bad?

So listen, if you're going off the last 20 games of season exclusively, then Jabari Smith-Geneer deserves it. First 60, not so I didn't include him. I had Tara Easton on there who I thought was straight up better than him last year The problem is Tari Easton only played like 21 minutes for game But if he would have played like starter minutes As I think he deserved last year

He would have put up pretty impressive stats I think he's the type of guy that was just more well equipped To come in and immediately be productive as a rookie Rather than Jabari who was a little more raw And also was just Not equipped for the role that was asked of him last year I think Jabari like I still have faith for him for next year Like you said it's a pure upside play

I think it would be solid But last year he wasn't ready to have workload he had yeah i think i mean i don't know if anybody on houston was ready for the workload that they were supposed to have because nobody was i yeah i guess so but and listen stephen silas just was like now i'm just not i'm just not gonna you know i'm not gonna give you uh any any minutes so like jabaris min junior third third third third yeah third yeah so he's i think that he has like his defensive potential is still really really like high high for me and i think that he can he's going to be able to do a lot of things on defense and kind of help out this rocket's front court.

And I think that him and Dylan Brooks is going to be a very, very good foundation, especially like for Schengun, who is not the best defender. Like they're going to be able to cover him up a lot. And I think that even if he doesn't make the strides offensively that we thought, because coming in, we kind of understood that like his offensive game was going to take some time. But he should have been able to kind of, you know, hold your own on defense. He had the tools to be a good defender. I think we're going to see more of that this next year.

So that's what I'm putting them right there. Yeah, I can respect that. Yeah, it really just comes down to if his shots falling or not. Like, he has to be an effective spot-up shooter right now because he can't create for himself at all. And if his spot-up numbers aren't falling, he's going to look really fucking terrible. Yeah, exactly. Regardless of facts, he's going to be a productive player in the NBA just because of his basic skills. He can shoot, play the defense in the stretch four.

So, yeah. Hopefully. I like that. Yeah. If he can actually shoot. see. Man, oh man, I hope so. But here comes up my list. Um, so honorable mention skinny head Poku, man. I love his game. Why? I love his game. It's so aesthetically pleasing. It's not great. It's not consistent. Poku's game is aesthetically pleasing. Yes. He's a, he's a super, yeah, he's a

super. I'm not trying to get disrespectful. So I'm, I'm going to sit this one out. I will. I think Poku is a social construct. I think he is there to play minutes in the end of the seasons when they tank because they don't want to win games. I think Poku is a meme that the Rockets GM is conducting against the rest of the league.

He's going to convince people that he's a prospect just so he can put in a bad player to help them lose games down the stretch of every season. Exactly. That's why I put him at as my honorable mention. He did not make my list. He is 31. Number 30, though, is Kenyon Martin. 29, Tray Lows, 28,

Zach Collins, 27. Torean Prince and 26 John Collins pains me so much that that's not that bad that's I know this is this is the nastiest propaganda ever because if he did not know he did not know John Collins would be top 10 on most list no this is me no this is me making character development all right this is okay this is this is wrong for you to say don't all right I go ahead do what I'm supposed to do and I take my bias to the side and just for that I want to go ahead and update my list and make him top 15. Like how I treat me. Okay. But I had John Collins so, listen, your ranking of John Collins compared to mine might be the biggest gap of any name on any of our list. Are you serious? Wow.

This is going to be a massive gap. Yeah, no, that's crazy. I'd love to hear it. But when it comes to John Collins and his, how he played specifically last season, like, he belongs to be here. All the names ahead of him, I think that if all the names ahead of him were placed upon the Atlanta Hawks, they would have probably been a, been, had a more productive season. As soon as his fingers went to poop and he couldn't shoot, that, like, killed off half of his productivity on the court. And then on top of that, what he's best at being a lob threat, his touches got diminished.

And, you know, the Hawks are just in a weird state of flux. and they didn't really prioritize him much at all. So he didn't really... Yeah, I think he's more of a victim of circumstance. I think he'll have a bounce back season and we'll be like, oh, yeah, he's still John Collins. We'll see if that finger... I know, it's like a running thing now,

like, oh, are his fingers fucked forever? Is that why you can't shoot? I don't know. I mean... Do his fingers still is fucked? It's ridiculous. Yeah. Listen, if that's the case

and he's never able to shoot again, then he'll quickly fall down my list. But for now, I'm going to assume he returns a normalcy next year and has a little bit of a bounce back. So I gave him credit. he's not super high he's not like top 10 but it's top 15 i love no well in top 15 i love him he's top 15 for me too he ain't go oh wow hey man this is but honestly it's more like a matter

of like the names below him aren't particularly impressive that like it's more like i gave john colin's credit because i've seen him for multiple years be pretty solid and i'm like giving him benefit of the doubt not that i love him or anything it's just like i don't love like jared vanderbill or whoever's behind him that is great to hear Cool, she got Toy and Prince, interesting. I didn't even think about him. Trey Liles definitely didn't think about him. Yeah.

Trey Lows. Keny Martin's a cool pick. Yeah, Trey Lows went ahead. He was, I won't say, a super important part, but he played a good role for the Sacramento Kings and turning around that ship. He averaged a solid seven points per game, shooting three, starting beef for no reason.

Cool stuff. And then as for Tori and Prince, he's constantly one of the more, like, underrated, super solid. it's super steady threes, fours, whatever you want to call it in the league. And I think for your team,

Isaac, he's going to make a big difference and you could quite possibly see him in a lot of closing lineups for this upcoming season. Yeah, I think he's a good signing for the Lakers paid for him. In past years, I remember watching him like when he was on the Cavs, I think,

for a little bit. He was never on the Cavs. Wasn't he? No, wrong dude. Am I, are you sure? I think he's on the Cavas for it, wasn't he? No, he was never on the Cavs.

What red team am I thinking of He was on the Hawks Oh maybe I haven't thinking about the Hawks Oh no I'm thinking of the Nets He was on Nets wasn't he Yes I think he was on the Nets Yes he was on Cleveland Dickhead for 29 games

He was in Cleveland Get on his head Yeah Brooklyn traded into Cleveland At the Trade Deline one year He played 29 games on Cleveland He played 29 games in Cleveland I mean in the NICF what Yeah

That is so That is so forgettable. I remember watching him in Cleveland. And I was like, okay, I'm not super confident in my Toyin Prince trivia, but I thought I remembered it. I remember seeing him that season, and I was like, I'm amazed by the fact this guy cannot make a two-point jumper to save his life. No two-point field goal was growing in for him. He's shot like a horrendous amount, and I was like, is this guy just really bad at basketball? But over the last couple of years, he's bounced back in his solid role player.

So like you said, he'll be a good addition for the Lakers. Yeah, he's a great fit, perfect fit. All right, I guess we move on to the next five. Let's do it. My next five consists of 25, Nicholas Batum, 24, Larry Nansh Jr., 23 Grant Williams, 22 Patrick Williams, and 21 Brandon Clark. Wow.

I don't feel very confident about the order of these names. I think they're all super close. But I was like Patrick Williams versus Grant Williams. What a shit show. I don't know how to compare that. I went with Patrick Williams because he had a really good shooting year and I'm hoping that sticks.

And I think he's very mid at everything but I think just simply being a 6-9 defender who isn't like great on defense but he's 6-9, I can hold his own and be a 40% three-point shooter. If that sticks, then he'll be valuable. It's a pretty low volume. It might be one of those seasons

where it's like people are leaving you wide open and you hit them but you're not really providing a ton of spacing benefits. We'll see what it's like next year when teams adjust. But I don't know. How do y'all feel about this five? I don't hate it.

I feel like Brandon Clark should be a little bit higher. Definitely. Think so? Yeah. I like Brandon Clark is like that. He's good. Okay. He's good.

I'm not against that. Yeah, I'm looking at the teams above him. It was a lot of names above him or more, like the next four names I have are kind of perimeter-oriented guys. They're kind of like pseudo-3s who I think are really valuable as perimeter defenders. And Brendan Clark's best ability is he's a really great rim finisher. Like he's a lob threat to the highest degree. But I don't feel like his archetype of defender is as valuable. Like, he's not a bad defender.

He provides volume. I think you're completely wrong on that. I think you're completely wrong on that. I just mean you're completely wrong in that. I am a Brandon Clark fan. I studied this man's game coming out of college in Gonzaga, dude. I thought this man was going to be better than Rui Hachibura. Yeah, well, in college, he was a beast.

He was an athletic freak, but that didn't necessarily translate as well to the NBA. Like, I remember a lot of NBA draft nerds were in love. of a Clark and I feel like offensively it's translated a lot but I feel like defensively he's good obviously he's not a bad defender but like yeah for context the next two names in my list are Jared Vanderbilt and Dorian Finney Smith I think they're both really good printer defenders that can lock down big wings which I think is a trait that's a little more valuable than what Brandon Clark brings on defense so I gave them the nod just for that but I think he's just as talented I just prefer that archetype a little more yeah I think I would I would

still have him higher yeah I would definitely still have him high I think you're It's hard because we haven't seen him play in a long time because of his Did he tear his ACL or was it Achilles in three? It was one of those two. I think it was ACL, I think. Yeah. No, it was his it was his Achilles.

Oh, God, that's so tragic. Yeah, it was tough. Yeah, that's so tragic. That's so tragic. But before that, coming into, coming into the NBA, his shot was an ongoing thing. And then somehow I got completely jacked up and warped like Markle, Markle-Fose-esque. But regardless of the fact, like, he still provided a lot of value at the offensive and not the traditional, you know, value as guys like Dorian Fis or Dorian Finney Smith or anything like that. But his floor game was really nice, great lob threat.

And he did a lot of like the little things. And when it comes to defense, him and Jaron Jackson Jr. is a nightmare from hell. So, like, I just love him as a player. And I think that if you, you know, place them on any other team. or on any team in the NBA point blank period he provides elite value regardless of fact so he's a he's a top tier role player for me all right okay yeah I mean I just I just think that he's he's a great fair pairing on defense with jaron Jackson because jaren jackson brings that we side rim protection unless you're and let's Brandon Clark do a little more of the other stuff but like you said on other teams we doesn't have jaren jackson I just feel like he's a good defensive player but is a relatively unvaluble role as a defender compared to other stuff so like if you have a jaron jack's next thing he was great but a lot of other bench units it doesn't have that it might not be as great of a fit for him on defense another gripe i hate that i have another gripe but i have to say Patrick williams definitely should be higher than

dorian phony smith because dorian was asked during his uh tensioner as a brooklyn net you're gonna hate you're gonna hate you was asked though bro you're gonna hate me yeah everyone they had no playmakers dorian phoenix smith was a role player made to play next to other stars and they're starting point card to Spencer Dinwiddie. So I didn't necessarily expect doing Infinity Smith to be out here lighting it up, like, as a role player. Yeah, and he's one of like four small forwards, you know, small four power forwards that they have.

Everybody's just the same height and does the same thing. For sure, I agree. That team is nasty after the deadline. It was gross. Yeah, for sure, I agree. But when it comes to just having a hint of creating in his game and being able to flex so many needs on any team, I think Patrick Williams does that.

I think DFS does that much better than Patrick Williams. is Patrick Williams sucks. Dude, you're crazy as hell for the. You're crazy for that. He does not suck. He does not suck. That man is one of the biggest draft disappointments the last five years. I think partly that's because of the situation that he's in.

And also, I don't think he probably should have gone after that. He's not in the perfect situation. If you're a top four pick and you're the fourth, fifth option on a team, how in the right mind? Are you saying that's a perfect situation? Because he shouldn't be a top three, he shouldn't be a top three go to, what's the word, option? he's not good with the ball in his hands he's okay with the ball out of his hands doing spot-ups

he's a decent defender not great like he's made to be a fourth or fifth option and he's on a team with two high-level creators that needs a big wing defender like that's the team that needs a Patrick Williams I don't know many of the teams I would fit to him better he doesn't need more touches I promise you

I don't know I feel like if Patrick Williams had at least an opportunity to fucking breathe you know then he could possibly are we clear in space we run an ISO for Patrick Williams?

Get out of you. No, you're not going to... You're not clear in space for Patrick Williams, bro. Obviously, you don't do that with the structure of your team. It just, it is what it is. But if the Chicago Bulls were smart,

they would go ahead and give your top four pick the opportunity to cook and let him run the show similar to what McAll Bridges is doing over there. Are you out of your fucking mind? He's a top four pick. You have to do that. He's not good at anything

with the ball in his hands. You don't have to. have to put the ball in his hands i promise there's no reason we see who he is he is a solid role player that can spot up from three and be a big defender that's the extent of his game he is not getting to the rim he is not pulling up in the mid range see he is not pulling up from three he is not doing anything with the ball on his hands that is your issue you're too short-sighted you said you see what he is you you see what he is but you don't see what he can be because of the shit situation over there the first off first off it's let's not act like derosen and levin

are just there all the time i listen they are hurt there's been Plenty of opportunity for Patrick Williams to get run to have the ball in his hands to show everybody where he can do when when everybody else is hurting on the bench and he just continues to do like mid stuff like it's it's fine he's just not that guy but like but don't don't act like the Bulls have done the NBA some disservice by you know by holding back Patrick Williams Give him Dylan Brooks brain and we're having a completely district that's even worse no it's not no it's not can we Can we, time out. Can we put up my next five while we're on the topic of Patrick Williams? Because at 25, I have Patrick Williams. He's the 25th best power forward in the league. He's just, he's whatever, right?

It's, give me Patrick Williams. Give me Kelly Olinick over Patrick Williams at 24. I have Grant Williams at 23. I have Rue Hachamor at 22. And I have PJ Washington at 21. And that's my next five. I have PJ way higher than you. Well, not way higher.

but like a good amount harder than you. I think PJ was solid last year. I think I think PJ was good as well. For me, I just think like, and it's not really his job, but the rebounding, I would want him to get a little,

to be, you know, a little bit more of a presence on, on the boards. And like, his shooting is great, but I just, defensively,

I'm just not in love with the stuff that he does. So that's why I'm dropping him a little bit. But, but yeah, so those are, those are my five. I think, I think like for Grant,

I think Grant Williams is core at 23 I know that you're gonna you're gonna hate The fact that like Ruiz at 22 I can I can feel that yeah I don't really care I mean I have him higher I didn't really know how to I was I was prepared to come into a fight with you

Over Ruizchamore He definitely man You think I fucking love Ruizu world No I haven't been different I had him higher Because just give him credit For the run he's last year When he was finally in a situation

That let him play off of stars And like be on a competent team That could use him better because I think, you know, I might be a good example where he had the ability to spread his wings like Moe's Pat Williams to do, but he was clearly just not built for that shit. And so he went to a team that was more in line with his skill set, and he shined. So I gave him credit, so I have him higher than you, but I'm fine with this. I'm sure the new, I'm sure the names above him are just as good.

Yeah, I think the run that he had in the playoffs was like, that's, that's clearly best case in area of Rio Hachamora. And in the regular season, like the three point shot just wasn't full. ball in the way that it wasn't a playoff. So I'm just, I'm, I'm expecting a little bit of a drop off when it comes to his three ball. And so I want to like weigh a little bit of that.

But his playoff run was fantastic. Like he was, he was, he was great. I don't know how you can see that playoff run and be like, hmm, PJ Tucker or PJ Washington better. No.

I don't know. Oh, I, I have PJ higher still. I mean, PJ Washington a little higher. I mean, I still think,

I'm still giving PJ Washington credit Like he's still higher than the Rui Like I don't I actually I have them my next each other as well I just have him my next year So that'll be interesting

Yeah I don't know I don't know My list looks very very different Very different I didn't think about Carolina I think I viewed Kelly Olinic as a center But he plays He's definitely plays a lot of power forward

So I respect the pick But yeah I don't know where I would rank him I have him in the same range As Donovan I agree with that I think that's a perfect fit for him He is one of the better Role players in the NBA when he comes. So just tune shit.

And here's my next five at 25 on Kelly Olinick, 24, Jeremy, 23, Marvin Bagley. What the fuck? What? Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, finish. Marvin Bagley. I'll laugh at you later. 22, Dorian, 21, PJ Washington.

What? You're going to look me in the fucking eyes And tell me Marvin Bagley is better than John Collins This past season Marvin Bagley looked like he could have provided more value for my hawks I want you in prison Marvin Bagley Mike I'm ready for the cuffs

Yes At least he's a power forward At least you picked the power forward But Marvin Bagley yeah what's man what's what do you mean what's wrong Marvin Bagley sucks that's what that's the problem

and you and you put him over like over guys tell us well explain the pick because I just if you had Marvin Bagel in your bottom three or four like I would have been cool with it because he he was a solid score with the Pistons obviously can't defend a fly but he had some especially in the late season it was like one of those things where the seasons

over to benches in the game bunch of like fake basketball going on He was going to spend up some numbers. I picked up in fantasy. He gave me a few wins, so I get it. But this is really high for a guy that had like 20 good games on the Pistons. I don't know. I don't think it's...

One spot below DFS is bothering me. What is that? The fact that Bagley's just one spot below DFS is bothering me a lot. I see... Also, oh, explain it. No, go ahead. No, you're going to... You had another graph, I want to hear it.

I'm going to kill two. It's just that Bagley's over Jeremy Sohan. I just can't imagine, like, anybody else in the world to pick Bagley over Jeremy Sohan. Yeah, I can definitely, I can, I can ration with you when it comes to that, for sure. Jeremy Sohan is very underrated in my eyes. I don't see a lot of players or a lot of people

obsessing and dueling over his game. Like, you would think normal people would. Yeah, you're disgusting. We know you do much. But in general. Yeah, Jeremy Solzsche, Jeremy is literally, like, the type of archetype Isaac loves, bro. But anyways, going back to Marvin Bagley, shit, going back to Marvin Bagley, when I was putting him on this list, I took into account how well he played and the entirely new situation that he's in over there in Detroit. And I'm like, he may be able to do some.

He did exactly what he was supposed to do towards the end of the season. and I think you deserve this ranking. Like, I'm not here defending my life over Marvin Bagel. He goes, who the fuck would do that? But I don't think the gap is that insane between him and DSF. I like DSF. He provides a lot of value on the court, but it needs to be constructed in a certain way. But you can say that for any player.

Yeah, okay. All right. I just, I just disagree because I think. like if the if the only time that we're seeing good signs for Marvin Bagley is whenever he's playing against the 16th and 17th and 18th guy on the roster when you can only have 15 like if he's only playing against some of the guys in the last 20 games of the season and that's the only time we see success from him I don't think he belongs on this list because of that like let me let me see him have 20 good games in November or in December and then maybe we could we could talk a little bit

of it but the pistons were tanking for a bottom for bottom pick and i just i don't put a lot of stock into his numbers there that's fair i'm not i can't be i can't be mad at that i just see the minor slight improvements in in his game and so that's and so that's why i was like yeah he deserves this list i wanted to give him the shout out i didn't want to leave him off this list whatsoever i think leaving him off this list and saying ah i don't know i can understand you want you to Wada Nabi instead of Bagley, but now that I say it, but I don't really like that that process behind it. You're a criminal for not having one on this list.

Well, you are. Wow, how they're getting gas-lating thing and we're the crazy ones for not putting more than Bagley in our list? This is crazy. All right, we can move on to the next five. We're flying through this list. Obviously, I would reveal number 20 and number 19. I got Dorian Finney Smith and Jared Vanderbilt.

18, I got Jeremy Sohan. 17 Rui Hachamora and 16 PJ Washington Why is PJ better than Rui Hachemir in your eyes? Why is Rui better than PJ? Don't me that first. Why is Rui better than PJ? Because Rui, when giving the up, maybe it could be the opportunity thing or whatever,

but Rui signed in the brightest age and that is a good-ass question. Yeah, I mean, what's the, like, I guess I'm leaning towards Donovan on this one where he had a really good run in the playoffs, but that's like a 17 game sample size. If that, I don't know how many playoffs games they played, probably something like that.

16. Okay, sure. And PJ Washington did it for a whole season. Like, he's a solid, I think he's a more talented player. Has more, well, maybe not say that. Maybe I shouldn't say that. I mean, clearly I have him very close for a reason. I think there are similar molds.

Same tier. Offensive leading fours. Yeah. Same tier. I really just gave it. It's really just sample size. That PJ Washington had a really good season overall and Ruey got hot at the end,

but yeah, it really comes down to that. That's pretty much that simple. Yeah, but when he got hot, he got hot in the most important key moments, which I think should give him the notch because... Well, that's why he's number 17, right? Like, before that, he was averaging like nine points a game and being very mid. That he was not particularly good on the Wizards. So, like, it's a very small sample size of runoff with him.

So I think I'm being pretty generous putting him this high. I think I'm giving him a lot of credit, assuming he'll carry him in that carry that progress going forward. It's also a contract year. He had everything to play for. Now he got paid. We'll see if that carries over. Yeah, I'm honestly more worried about putting him too high than too low. That's fair. I was very fair to say

I didn't put him that high either How do you guys feel about a Jared Vanderbilt's ranking? I like it. I like it. I actually and so like I'm gonna I'm gonna say my my list next because I actually like changed it Just a just a little bit, but so at 20 I've Jeremy son at 19 and I should have asked you guys before this because the ESPN had a Anya O'Connell who has a power forward so I put him there um yeah so like how do you feel about that yeah he's a center yeah so yeah so yeah so yeah it's been the list that we're using had him as a power for it so I put him there but um so I had an yoke at 19 Brandon Clark at 18 Vanderbilt at 17 and then DFS at 16 uh who I listen I like DFS a lot I've been I've been a very big DFS fan for

for a long time and I think like him being right there like the midline in terms of power forwards is good i think like like as i was saying earlier when you give him an actual point guard and not just you know for four for power forwards like he can be very very helpful if he was anywhere else we would be looking around at dfs and be like yo he's he's it i think like during during the maves run that they had to the west of conference finals he was very clearly the third best player after lucca and brunson and his ability to play defense went through five guard a whole bunch of people be a very you know solid above average three-point shooter i i like dFS a lot yeah he had a lot of timely shots i think i should put

him higher i have him this low right now because of how he looked on the nets i kind of think i might let that way against me a little bit i kind of want to move him higher do you know what do i'm going to move him to 16 as well i'm move up past b j washington yeah because i love we had several years sample size of him being really good with the Mabbs. He was like a premier wing defender. And I think I let the shit show the vannets sway me down a little bit. Like I think looking at it now, also I didn't have a ton of time to do his list, so I didn't put as much thought to some of these picks.

I wouldn't rather have Jared Vanderbilt than Finney Smith, especially after what we saw in the playoffs last year, where Vanderbilt kind of against a certain matchup becomes unplayable. Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather have Finney Smith. That's very fair. Because there's no situation in hell where DoreD infinity Smith is unplayable.

And it's, I don't say super easy, but it's not, it's not rocket science to scheme out Vando because of his offensive, his offensive capabilities and his limits and something like that. So I definitely, I can definitely agree with that. Even on my list, too, something that I noticed that I did, I'm like, ooh, he does definitely is not better than do. Mando on that topic. So bringing up my list right now, at 20, I have. Rehachimura. 19. Vando. That got to be swapped. And I would definitely, I would definitely

knock down Vando a couple tears or whatever. Not a couple tears, but a couple slots down. 18. Grant Williams. He appeared super early on my list. 17. Christian Wood. Super good player. 16. Brandon Clark. I think my propaganda

was shown a little bit there. But there's my list. What do you guys think anything stand out? Listen, Isaac, I already See, Isaac's back, because you put Christian World on it. Listen, I put, I put Anheko Okonwu as on my list. So it's like, listen, we get a pass. Everybody gets a pass.

It's fine. We just, it's just funny because we just clarified before the episode started. Donovan asked, is Christian Wood a center? And we agreed he's the center. And he's still, it always makes your way on your list. Yeah, I know. I know. I listened.

I heard it and I was like, I'm just going to put it in the case. He's a free thinker. Aside for the fact that. Christian Woods, the center. I have Grant Williams lower. I just think that he's a high floor role player. He's good at what he does. Very low ceiling role player.

I think he's not going to offer you a whole lot. He's just going to plug and play, do his three and D things. So I... Is that not what Dorian Finney Smith does too? Like, Dorian Finney Smith is a better defender and he's a better three-point shooter. I don't know about three-point shooting part. I mean, definitely that. But defensively, yeah, I think Dorian Finney-Smith is actually an

impact defender and like above average legitimately really good primitive defender and I think Grant Williams is solid but I wouldn't say he's like anywhere near elite at any defensive skill set. That's probably a difference but I don't hate it I mean it's semantics

Brandon Clark I respect the Brandon Clark push up that high I don't have a problem with it yeah exactly and don't mind the Vando thing too I would definitely swap that I think swapping Vando for DSF it's probably good it's probably a good swap too but other than that um yeah pretty much stand on my list so far

yeah it's it's pretty good yeah i mean vando and ruy like we're all putting ruy above him easily but that's honestly just like playoff bias for us like vanda was really good all regular season it's just the warriors figured out how to scheme him out of the game i mean the nuggets and is that enough to like i think if you're schemable you like if you're schemable like that to the point to where you can't play, then that should easily be enough. It also depends on the team, though. He couldn't play because they have AD who isn't a shooter, so they couldn't have both him on the court at the same time.

If he was playing on a team with the stretch five, then he could have sat on the court. It's kind of just victim of the specific circumstances he was in. That is true, but the way he was schemed out, man, you're right. It has to do with some bias, and there's just, yeah, unless a distasteful taste in my mouth. But even then, like, I still feel confident. At least he's in this range. Yeah, it's just weird ranking Rui Because he's so not good for a long time

And then Brandon he got really good So it's like How much do you trust it? I think Listen, The Rue ranking is just like His whole career where it's like Oh like the flashes are there

But like is it actually gonna happen And so then that And so that's why you just end up putting him in like In the bottom of earth Yeah, like he just had a flash At the right time to stick with us But he'll come back next year And look like a fucking milk dead again

Like we don't even know Yeah Yeah But we'll get in their respect for now Yeah what's in the next five 15 I got Bobby Portis 14 John Collins

13 Tobias Harris 12 Aaron Gordon and 11 Palo Bancaro Wow you think John Collins is better than Bobby Portis crazy It's not like that's a high bar It's just Bobby Portis

It's Bobby Portis but he does a lot man So there's John Collins John Collins had a rough year Clearly the addition of DeJonte Murray he did nothing to help him. It hurt him immensely. He had less touches to go his way

and combine less offensive touches with the fact that his jump shot wasn't falling last year. I'd rest you for disaster. And I'm just gonna... I'm gonna give it one more year because I, before that, was a fan of John Collins for multiple years.

I think he had transformed into a very productive, high-end role player. And I'm just, I'm gonna give him one more year before I write him off. I'm gonna see what he's like in this new situation he's gonna be in where he's playing next to another Ford who can stretch the floor.

a center who can give rim protection with something he struggles with. And I think he'll have the space to do a little more of the ball in his hands since they don't have a lead guard per se. Doing a little bit more of the ball and his hands is not in his bag other than like easy, quick, like two seconds

post-jump-ups and stuff like that. That's what I'm saying. That's what the jazz are great at. The jazz has a really free-flowing offense. Like look what they did with Larry Markner. They made him a star because he doesn't have the run pick and rolls. They doesn't have to do all his stuff.

They put him in positions to have advantage shots a lot to get him open. to get him going on back cuts. Larry Markening became a ferocious dunker because he had so many free lanes of their system. I think John Collins can do something similar and I just think it's a very complimentary fit

with Larry Markinen. I hope it is. I haven't as high because I expect he'll be this good next year, not because he was last year. Okay, and I'm the complete opposite of that. I had him that low because of how he performed last season. That's fair.

That's fair. Honestly, we're going off of last year for the most part, so your line of thinking is more objectively fair for what we're doing. I'm just giving him Ben for the doubt because I like him It's fair

Yeah I fucking love him He was my favorite Player on the Hawks Oh you're scarred You know This is personal for you Yeah

It's not really personal It's the boss It's okay It is what it is I trust me bro In my history right now I have a Utah Jazz

John Collins jersey Loading Should be at my house I'm a little days Don't let him average 20 You're buying all three colors On God all right i'm gonna i'm gonna go through my next five so at 15 and so this is where

this is everything was kind of changing but at 15 i have bobby porters 14 i have john collins 13 i have tobias 12 i have palo 11 i have porzengis wow porzengis sighting already okay you have porzegis so low yeah wow okay so 11 porzengis 12 palo 13 tobias what was 14 and 15 14 was John Collins 15 was Bobby Portis Okay Gotcha okay

Interesting The Porzingis stuff I so I do feel that this is The little low And as we continue to go Into like into the rankings Like I probably overreacted

While I was making this But I don't But I don't hate it And I don't hate it for this reason I think that Porzing is like On that wizard squad I'm curious to see how much of that like translates to Boston

like I don't know if I'm so much of a believer of just like everything that he did and like just how good he was in Washington because he was he was really good and he was able to put a lot of things together I just don't know if that's going to be the same thing now that he's on a team with Jason Tatum and Jaylon Brown rather than Kyle Kuzma and Bradley Beal.

I think in terms of just straight up skill and what he can do best on the court, he's insanely valuable, and that's why he's not, he's not top 11 on my, he's top of 11, he's not, he's not placed where you, where you have him at. And, but in terms of just like what he's actually going to do on the court, is he going to put up 20 every night for the Boston Celtics necessarily? I don't think so. I don't know. I don't think that's, like, going to be asked or begged of him, you know?

for having someone that big, that tall, can be a three-level score if you ask him to, but mainly, like, I see him, I'm thinking about the deep-range shooting, which he dramatically, he has always been a good shooter, but the deep-range shooting, he added into his bag and then talk, and then I haven't even started, I haven't even mentioned the shot blocking that he has in his game, too, which is one of the best in the entire NBA. So I just imagine the Boston Celtics showing the best parts. and everything about Porzingis, I love Porzingis, man.

And that's fair. And that's fair. And I think that, like, I agree with you that I think that his shot blocking is going to be on display in Boston. Offensively, I just, he, it felt like, at least, like, statistically, it felt like he took a leap going, going to Washington,

and I just don't know how much of that is going to translate over to this next situation. So I'm like already I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt Where some other guys were And there's also just like some major overreaction Once we get into the top 10 of this list So that's that's where I'm at will pull up it

Yeah I just as you were talking I went quiet because I was adjusting my list I had pushing us a little too high I think Though I thought about it some more And I moved down a little couple spots So I haven't closer to where you have them So I don't think it's crazy Wow man that's so crazy

Yeah I think I don't think about it I might have for Zingis a little bit too high on my list, but I'm not going to make the Kiel's life help. I'm just going to keep it there, and then I'll explain it. I had him at seven before. I just moved him down a little bit. Dude, I literally had him at eight.

I'm moving down, though. What was going to do your next five first before we get the top ten? Okay, so, who! 15. He will. You are drunk. Oh, not.

You just don't see the vision. He's a good player, man, who just, Does things out a low volume. Say your five, say your five, say your five, and then instantly defend what you need to, what you need to defend. P will, 15, kiss my ass, 14, Bobby Ford is 13, Tobias Harris. That seems, well, we all had Tobias Harris at 13. That's quite universal.

I love that. 12, Aaron Gordon, great player, bro. Damn, is Aaron Gordon higher? Yeah. Damn, Aaron Gordon is on your list yet, Donovan? That's kind of crazy. I thought it's massive overreaction. Yeah, you're on one, bro.

Holy shit. Paulo. This is crazy. Yeah, that's, that is, that is, that is right there. Y'all are going to hate me. Y'all are going to hate me. Do you have me like six? You're sick of?

I hope not, bro. He does. You fucking weirdos. It's not a six. It's not a sense. I hate that, bro. But here's my list. You're on trial.

You're on. You're up there. The bailiff's looking at you. Explain Patrick Williams at 15. I put Patrick, okay, similar reasons as to why, not similar reasons at all, really, but I just believe that if Patrick Williams is in a different situation, and if the Bulls got their shit together, I was like, yo, we just want to start it all over, scrap things, let's be mid.

Patrick Williams, be our mid-commander and just lead us to mediocrity while you continue to develop your game. He will do numbers, bro, and he will be great. He will not be. Who gives a fuck if he can't be good on a mid-team? If he can't be good on a good team, why is he valuable? Bro, he is good on a mid-team. What do you mean? He's, what are you talking about?

He's good at his role. Yes, he is. What are you talking about? You act like he's ass. He's not. The bulls are been now, and he's still not great. So, like, what are we talking about? Of a player being disappointing, bad, whatever word you want to say is if an entire fan base hates them.

You go on Chicago Bulls Twitter, everybody hates Patrick Williams. What is Patrick Will supposed to do? You have Demarta Rosen, Paul, Zach Levine, and Vucevich on your team. Like, he shouldn't be asked to go ahead and grow into a world or get more touches than all three of those guys. So it's like, what are you saying that name? You're saying those names like it's the Golden State Warriors.

That is a, those are very, those are names you can definitely do things with. If he was who you think he is, he could have did what McCall Bridges did and develop into a really high level tertiary ball handler like he did next to Booker and Chris Paul. Patrick Williams can easily do that next to DeRosen and Zach Levine. Those aren't just world breakers to demand every touch. You see, I agree with that sentiment, but it's a little bit different because McCall Bridges was actually like the ball was in his hand.

It was good or whatever. But the ball was literally forcefully in his hands and they had absolutely no other option or choice to go to. What does that mean? The Bulls, listen, the Bulls have been looking for, Lonzo Ball's knees are cooked, and they've been looking for a point guard for two years. They've been looking for somebody to run the offense, and if Patrick Williams was as good as you say he is with the ball in his hands, he would have stepped up and started to be a better

ball handler and started to facilitate things, and he has not done that. I did not wake up today thinking that I will be harassed for having Patrick Williams for 15 on my list. I do not agree with this. You too, take this video down. I am filing complaints. and you guys will see my lorries in the morning. Patrick Williams,

you deserve this 15, my brother. Keep on doing you. What they call him, the paw? Do you, bro? Maybe just me and being an absolute slut for off-season videos. They get me every time.

Wait, time about, I'm talking about that. Okay, no, no, no. But do you not understand that, like, you just laid out your best-case scenario for Patrick Williams, and in the best-case scenario,

you called him mid commander That's what he Best case scenario of him is mid How is he already there When he's not in the best case scenario He needs to be in position To be mid commander in order to elevate his game And that responsibility needs to be placed

Forcefully placed onto his shoulders Alla a Macau Bridges when everybody literally went out No CP no D book Okay my boy you the next one right now He needs to be That's where he's at right now That's what he's not what I mean People are there.

Bro. Lonzo is not there. And you think that like... I'm not talking about... Their point guards. There are touches to go around. They went out... The Bulls went out and signed Javon Carter

to run point for them. To run back a point for them. They want people to run point guard. They want people to help facilitate the offense because Levine's not doing that. DeRosen is not doing that. Boch is not doing that. You have your three guys that your offense

is going to revolve rock. Patrick Williams If he was resourceful and actually thought about his career would step into that role and make himself more valuable than what he already is. And he has not done that. Fun fact. Patrick Williams averages the same amount of turnovers as he does assist.

That is not a good sign of somebody who could do things with the balls in their hands. Because he's not. Look, man. A real quick question, Isaac, just out of curiosity. What were the turnovers to assist? 1.3 free throw attempts a game. What were one of the turnovers to assist? Numbers from McCall Bridges when he was on the Phoenix Suns.

Let me see. Probably never a good guy. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Dude. I'll tell you. Third year. Third year.

Actually, nope. 2.1 assist. 0.8 turnovers. Oh, that's because he has fucking Chris Paul on his team. Oh, wow. Oh, see. Now you're making a few. No, it makes sense.

What do you mean? It makes sense. Why would Chris Paul's presence mean McCall Bridges turns the ball over less? That's irrelevant. No. Because he doesn't have any opportunity to turn the ball. all over because it's not in his hands like that. You see the numbers the kid just picked up?

Yeah. Without Damar de Rosen, he hasn't even averaged 10 points per game. No, that's a nail the coffin. You got to stop talking. Who's, whose team are you on right now? 10 points per game. Whose team are you on right now?

No, this is a nail to coffin. I'm not going to lie. 9.8 points in 1.4 in 81 games. That's a full season. Who's team are you? That's a full season. Can you please, can you please adjust that question? shoot for De Mardros and Hay, Zach Levine,

and then I'll put the nail in the coffee. Both players, and then I'll put the nail on the coffee. Shout out statvies. This is hilarious. It's not working for both. Without Levine in 21 games. 11.9 points at 1.6 assists. What a fucking world breaker.

Woo. Man. You see that? You see that jump, though? You see that jumping points? He average just 10 points now. He average just one extra point when Zach Levine isn't there? P will

He's not like that And the fact that we have just spent A good part of this section On Patrick Williams' discourse Again is ridiculous Can we let's get to the top ten Let's get to the top ten Let's go the top ten

You guys should be What an all-time debate This is a TD3 classic The Pat World episode Next up at 10 I have Draymond Green I had to fight some demons And lower him at

nine I have Chris House Porzingis at eight I have Julius Randall at seven I have Evan

Mobley and at six I have Lowry Markinen Nice Wait what Oh you you move stuff

around Yeah Nickyodor Has it written down wrong Okay you got you Got you got So I'll say again

10 Dremon 9 Porzingus 8 Randall 7 Moble 6 Markan Okay Okay

Okay I can get with that I can get with that I can get with that I man with the way

Mowbly was playing so first thing I would say is like Dramon is the hardest player to debate and discuss about in like history of the NBA because like

he's only valuable to an X amount of system and if you take him out of that system he's still so valuable but like in terms of just everlasting effect he probably doesn't have that so it's just incredibly hard

to rank him best role player in NBA history so I think like this he deserves to go ahead and get this type of ranking um gosh yeah the reason that I like dream on a lot he could be lower the only reason he's at 10 is more about the names above him I think proves that they're really good like Randall I think last year he's he's so often on 2021 he was awesome he was like the fourth best power forward in the league probably third for some people 2022 he was terrible probably dropped like 12 and last year I thought he was pretty good again so I bumped him back up And I just think the next, the four guys above Dremont are like legit all-star level guys.

And Dremont just isn't that anymore because he just gives you nothing on offense these days. So it's nothing to do with Dremont being worse. It's just the fact that I think these other players have passed him up a little bit. I gave Porzingis credit for showing that he can finally handle an offensive workload and look like the idealized version, Nick's fans thought he could be this year with the Wizards. Just nobody watched the Wizards. A lot of people were ignorant to how good he was. But that's the only name.

If you don't put Dremont above Porzingis, I'd understand. Dramon could go anywhere between like 10 and seven, maybe six, if you really like trying to sell me on into an argument. But I ain't mad at that. Look at this tweet. Mo. Why do you have so many tweets in this like category, man? Listen, that was 2022. That was a mean type of.

So somebody replied, you never beat in the dad. Adi Mojo allegations. Look. Okay, look, that was because... No, bro, your Twitter's nasty. Dude, listen, that was just a me... I was typing way too fast. I'm a fast type.

That's all I have to say. You put everything in caps. Like, that is what we call... That is what we call a Freudian slip. You had ejaculation on the mind. What time was it? It was too early today for that, dude. 3.59, you are a sick of midday.

I think you were. Too many times. Too many times we have talked about Moe and ejaculation. I, listen, this is too much for me. I think that was the first week of your House of Highlights internship. You were in the House of Highlights offices in New York City thinking about Draymond Green. Please don't. No.

It's starting to Jude, man. That was, that was, no. This is too much. God, man. Okay. Can me talk about serious things, please, Donovan. Can I see your list? Yeah.

Listen, I'll tell you, wait. my this is where the overreaction comes all right let's let's go to my my 10 through 6 at 10 i have evan mowgli at 9 i have aaron oh go to hell at 8 i have jaymond 7 i have zion 6 i have lowry i would like to flip mowbly and erin gordon right now i understand i understand what i did listen i apologize it won't happen again what happened again look me in the eyes right now and tell me why draymond is better at basketball than Evan Mobley. Listen, Draymond would be doing stuff.

I want to be doing stuff. What does that mean? The difference is Draymond Green plays with Stefan Curry and Evan Mobley plays next to fucking Jared Allen and Isaac O'Rourl. That's the difference. That is true. I think,

I think, though, that for Dremont, Dremont's defense is still, like, even as he's age, his defense is still amazing. And he's able to sniff out stuff. And even with,

even with the lineup of like of step up top and clay thompson like he can have not not great defenders on the perimeter and because you have draymond there you're still going to be a competent defense and he's able to to like mask a lot of mistakes no matter who's out there on the perimeter so i value his his defense a lot and offensively i like his facilitating more than i like whatever Mobley does offensively, I don't think that his bag has grown a lot since he's come into the league. His shooting is still not there. Listen, Dremont's shooting obviously isn't there. But at least Dremont can set other people up and I don't feel like Mowgli is there yet. So that's why I have Dremon above Mowgli. Yeah, I think I understand that. That's why I kind of

won. I lowered Moby a little bit for that reason too, but I think it's like I said because he's playing next to Jared Allen and Isaac O'Coro. There's just like no spacing around him. So I just think if you have a big who's incredibly talented defensively but isn't a spacer, having him play with another non-spacer, it's just not setting him up well to succeed. If he was the center or playing next to a stretch five, I think he would look a lot better. He wouldn't be forced to take as many weird elbow jumpers. Yeah. That's true. I just, I just also, but like, they, their lineup and like the Cavs roster is so perfectly set up for people to stagger and like for for any one of the two guards to play with any one of the two bigs. And I just

feel like there should be moments where when he's not playing with with jared i don't know what the what the splits are um this is just purely off of high says i just feel like those those are the times where he should be actually like showing oh like if we get rid of jared allen then we can we can cook with mably and it just hasn't felt that great in those in those moments he still average just 16 points per game and 60% on two point field goals like it's still pretty good yeah it's it's good. My thing about Mobile's office is more about creation for himself rather than

like just to score and being able to just be a little bit more versatile and I would want him to to shoot a little bit more. And I just think that like the fact that, the fact that Dremont can there's been times

where like you need Dremont to shoot and he will and it's been like a bigger moment and he'll like he'll do it if it's absolutely necessary. And for Moby, I just don't think that that's there right now. So I still want Dremont over, over Moby. Yeah. That's not bad.

My list, my top. My next. Can we talk about Larry Marking over Zion real quick? We just ignored that bar. What the fuck are you on? Oh, my God! You know exactly what I'm on. Oh, I forgot.

You're just like. You're disgusting, man. If you played less than so-and-so games, I'm picking the guy, I played more games. So we're ranking the most healthy, apparently. I wanted to give Zion credit because when he's out there, he's fantastic. But he played 29 games last year He played 29 games And then the year before that he didn't play at all

And then two years before that He played 29 games again That's so crazy It's ridiculous It's just the amount of games played It's so low I just can't do it I can't bring myself to do it

But when he did play those 29 games Man's was an MVP discussion and the Pelicans were towards the top of the Western Conference. That's fine. That's fine and that's great. And that's why he's, Listen, Zion is so great that he can only play 30 games a year.

We're still going to be like, yeah, he's the top 10 power forward in the league. But I'm not giving you top five over if you can't. He's going to be so mad at where I'm going to scream. This is just ridiculous. He can't play. He can't play.

And that's a problem. I get it. Listen, Kevin Rance number two. He plays 50 games a year. So, I just, I guess what? Kevin Durrett plays 50 games. That's like double what Zion plays every year. Think about that.

Think about that. That's funny. Yeah, I just, you know, I'm just going based off of when available because I don't even want to, I think it's such a mental exercise to try to be like, how do I parse if this injury was luck or not? Obviously, with Zion, it's not luck. If he's just fucking always hurt, I just completely set that aside for my rankings. I'm just going off what they do when they're on the court.

If you're, if you're going to account for injuries, I totally respect that. I just chose not to because it makes things much easier to be one-to-one, but I get it. Yeah, not that. Man, seven feels kind of crazy, though. But let me go ahead and do some defending of my own. All right, listen, I have Dremont six over here. Ignore that. Bump everyone up and place him at number 10.

I think that is the most ideal spot for him. But outside of that, I pretty much stand on everything. There's so much movement in our list as this spot is going on. So you went from Draymo from a six to ten. you were just like you were convinced because i know yeah because when i when i was talking to you when i and i saw it and i'm like huh that's a good spot he's extremely hard to rank because or yeah he's extremely he's extremely hard to rank because of how much value that he provides to his team but just because he provides value to that team specifically he's in like the dream heaven scenario

doesn't mean that yo like if you put him on the nix or if you put him on a random team like the Sacramento Kings or whatever he would still provide value but it's just not at that same level you know a lot of not just because one team sees the men's this doesn't mean that he's going to be exactly that and bring that same type of evolution to the to the to whatever organization you put it on so yeah um that flex is a lot but regards to the fact he is a top 10 power forward it's going to be very hard to have conversations with him like in the like five 10 years from now Because if you look at his career stats, it's a whole lot of meh, but the impact is real. The impact is there.

You got the triple singles going on. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So you have 10, Draymond Green, nine Evan Mobley, eight, Lowry Marketing, seven Porzingis, and six Randall? Yeah, six Randall. I find myself hating on Randalli a lot, and I wanted to put him a little. Uh, Larry marketing is way too low. You think Larry's low?

Hell yeah, Lowry's low. You got Porzinger above Lowry, and he's low. he's yeah well that's mainly because of defense for me larry's assault what's wrong with larry's defense larry's even's completely fine it's fine but it's not better than perzingus and i and i for now i think malari's offenses is better than prusiginuses but it's not like a crazy margin whatsoever it's a defense that suez it for me and the value i guess i guess that's that's okay i guess it's not crazy yeah uh i put evan mowgli at nine because seeing the way he got bitched out in the playoffs and just like absolutely brutalized by mitchell robinson hurt my soul to see so even if he does

get moved to the center spot full time and if the cabs eventually i think they'll do it end up moving him or end up moving jared allen so evan moby can shine i i worry for i worry for his back i worry for his thighs because that man was getting moved like a unit. It was ridiculous. I worry for his thighs. Yeah, he can't handle that, though. What a quote. Yeah, I mean, he's like, he's 21. He'll add muscle. It won't be an issue that much going forward. I hope so. But shout out to Randall. Randall Porzingis had said. That's where I hadn't was for Zings before, but I thought about it more moving down to nine. But so it's not insane. I just think that Lowry, like, what Larry did last year was like incredibly impressive. Like, I think it's easier to put Lowry in the top five than

it is to put him down at eight. Wow. Yeah. I mean, he was pretty efficient last season, too, with all the amazing stuff that he did. I can understand it, but I see the two, and I'm like, Perzingus could do, I don't want to say the exact same thing to discredit him, but like, you know, like, Perzingus is that. I think over the last few years, of course, like, he's had so many injuries and it's just been like so up and down with all the two past teams he was on and whatnot.

but I think for the when he joins the Boston Celtics we will see the vision and I think you I think university all around if you really think about it put large market in the same situation whatever and I think you know I don't know I just feel I think I think Prazingis is just overall

the more value of where okay okay versatile I love it alright we can go to the top five now at number five I have Pascal Seaccombe wow no five I have Jaron Jack accent, my bad. At four, I have Pascal Seaccombe. Three, Zion

Williamson, two Kevin Durant. One, Yon is something to Kumpo. You sicken me. Wow. Three? I told you, I'm just not trying to do the injury game. I'm just like, I'm just eliminating that just for all things being equal. And he's if we're going off of how good he is when he was

on the court, he's clearly the number three. Like, it's not even remotely close between four, five, and six. Like I said, if you wanted an injury thing, I get it. I just, that's so hard to parse because then we'll do do it to Kevin Durant as well. Do we put Siakum above KD? He plays way more games. Like, it becomes such a thing.

Three's crazy. I think when it's flagrant like Zion, like yeah. Like, yeah. That's fair. Yeah, it is very flagrant. But like, I don't know. I mean, if Siakum wowed me like, I didn't think Siakum wowed me last year.

Like, he had a really strong start this season, but the team was so dysfunctional that the team all fit horribly together. Like nobody really impressed in the second half of the season. And I don't want to hold that too much against him. That's why he's still number four. But. it wasn't a circumstance where Seaccom was incapable of succeeding.

I think his jump shot fell off and he he's part of the reason why they were mediocre because his play stopped being as good as it was early in the year. So if he would have been like just as strong as he was in the first month, I would have gave me a nod. But it was just like nobody wowed me enough to put down below them. I don't know. I feel like yeah,

while his play did not like hold up and maintain to the strong start that he did, like it was not only his play everyone's play around him was pretty mediocre for if he was meh scottie warren's bad old janito was cool nothing about that team was like stood out and i think pascal siakum was just plagued with the midness that was going on around him but outside of that yeah it's not bad that's not bad i put him differently but um that's not bad i like it yeah if you're going to count injuries obviously he's understandable to put zion lower i'm just not accounting for that in this so i'm just going off of how good they are when they're on the court he's clearly number three okay yeah i like it yeah zion

is such a crazy man yeah so hard to rank because what what it's gonna be so weird because he's gonna start the season next year healthy and he's gonna look like a god again and every 10 games i'm like well do we have 10 more do we have 10 more like we're gonna keep having to hope with that so it's gonna be perpetually i can't live like that i just i can't live like that thank god you're not a pelicans fan thank the lord all right can we let's let's get my next five in here At five, I have Jaron, four, I have Julius Randall, three, I have Seacum, two, I have KD, one, I have Yannis. Wow. I do not like Randall over JJ.

I know that you don't. I think there's just no world where I think what Jaron does is less valuable than what Randall does. Like being the defense player of the year and being a stretch big who can do some things, attacking closeouts, is a solid finisher at the rim. Again, the best shot blocker in the league, much more valuable than what Randall brings. can he consistently isn't playoff elevator in any way. I will say for for Randall the first playoff in 2020, 2021, whichever year that was.

The Hawks or Rhythm. Stinker. Stinker. Yeah. All time stinker. Last year like the ankle, the ankle was like it was an issue, right? And listen, I don't want to like make excuses, but like I don't think that Randall is like for sure, for sure just a choker.

like he was in 2020. Also, that 2020 team had absolutely no offensive creation around him. Like, he was getting triple-teamed in the playoffs. So it's like, it is what it is. But for Julius, I think he's a better score than Randall. He's a better score than Jaron. He's a really good rebounder. Now that he has Brunson around him and he doesn't have just all the playmaking duties

and all the offensive creation on his shoulders, his passing is, it's okay. Like, it's not bad. not like the same black hole that he was two years ago and so and like defensively he's cool as he's cool as well i just think like the that's a total package of that is very intriguing to me and i like that a little bit more than what the when jaren does um so yeah so that's what that's what i put him at four if you want to put if you want to put jaron that four it's okay i'm not gonna i'm not gonna argue um but i do like the complete package of what julius does

yeah i get that i just i just view it as i think Jaron's defense is more valuable than Randall's offense and then Jaron's offense is more valuable than Randall's defense. Okay. Now listen, also, this isn't like involved in the rankings.

I didn't take this into consideration. But when we're talking about Jared, does it bother all that he doesn't play like 30 minutes a game? Does it bother out that he just like fouls everybody every five minutes? Well, I mean, you know. I don't like it.

I wish he didn't. Yeah. For the team, for the Memphis grisies were kind of spoiled because like if he does file out it's like cool you have another in my mind i will classify him as damn near an elite defender in brandon park but i think so i think you have that the memphis grizzlies had that luxury and as soon as he was gone it's like damn that on top of like stephen adams was going through some things or whatever too that was like that put a lot of pressure. And in that instance, it's like, okay.

Charing S.N. Jr., can you not be egregious when it comes to just doing yourself into people's bodies and stuff like that and just doing mindless things? But I can see your gripe with that. And that's been an issue with him since he was in college. Yeah, like he's been in the league for, what is this? Five years now. And he's never played over, he's never averaged 29 minutes in the season. That is crazy.

That's wild His lowest year In terms of like Fowls per game was last year At three and a half fouls a game It's just The way I view it is The fouling is just egregious

I agree But the fact that he still Leads the league in blocks Despite that And still is a defense player of the year Despite that shows insane value On defense And am I tripping

It does but listen But they was they was lying About his numbers though Out there in Memphis They was that wasn't true They was that bad enough no but three blocks a game at 28 minutes it's pretty crazy yeah and didn't he miss like a large chunk of the season

to start off the season last year yeah i think he came back in november and to still run away with blocks is outrageous just shows the top of defender that he is and you better hope that he doesn't ever like fix his following issues or else he won't he won't i mean it's just it's just clear like five years in it's just clear like you're just not he's just not going to not foul people i hope yeah and i think you say you said, does that bother us? No, because the thing that you said, that's who he is. It's baked into the value.

If he didn't have that issue, then he would be even higher because he would be more valuable. So, like, that's just, like, baked into my mind of him. Is that is who he is as a defender? That's, the pros come with the cons, and you weigh it how it is. Yep. And luckily for the Memphis Grizzies, they know that, they accepted it, and they just, they constructed this team beautifully around him and have a lot of

reinforcements to go ahead and back up. I mean, but they were, I mean, like, I mean, you say that, but they were they were mid without him like jaw was there healthy at the start of the season they was still like right around 500 with jaren like his you know like they and brandon clark was healthy stephen adams was healthy and they still couldn't get their their defense together like i understand just how good jaron is and his defense really is kind of like the engine of what makes memphis like a great team because i actually don't think that they he's he's that good to where you can't just take him out and expect brandon clark and stephen

Adams to pick up the slide yeah they definitely need him but yeah Brandon Clark was not walking those doors and holding their defense afloat sorry I break to you Brandon Clark is valuable man educate yourself he's on my list I agree god it's funny because my my five I think is the exact same five as Isaac I didn't even adjust anything just it is what it is um jaron Jackson five I think five for all of us not be in cahoots man four Pascal Seacom, three, Zion, Williamson, when he's there, he is hitting Katie, three, Janus, one, I don't think there's much to talk about over there, so what are you guys saying?

Interesting, how, is it, so those, was there any thought between Katie and Janice at the top? Hell no. No. Hell no. It's not even a thought, hell no. Yeah, not for a second, dude. There's no logical thing to do that. If this was like three, four years ago, yeah, sure, it's a conversation, but yons is taking the league to where what i'm going to i will say there was a point last season before kairi decided to just blow the entire nets you know nets team up there was a point was like hey is kevin duret the best play in the world because he was hitting he was hitting on all cylinders his defense was fantastic he was playmaking the nets were winning they they went on some

crazy streak and i think like if durant is at his best on both ends of the floor you kind of like the fact that he's seven feet and unguarded and he can do everything from the perimeter if he's above average on defense there's a very like good argument i i don't think now now that yokech is kind of like solidified it it was like it's kind of like it's it's him and then everybody else well not everybody else but like yokech clearly has the one spot right now but at least during the season i feel like there was there was a point where you could legitimately make an argument for kd as the best player in the world. So like I look you feel like he can he can make it a conversation this

season again. I feel like that's a phony conversation though like I don't think yeah I think he's in the conversation for best but you would never actually pick him as best like if you're in the ranking I mean maybe maybe if he if Kevin Durant Kevin Durant is out who's scoring 30 right only taking mid range jumpers shoot him like 55% from the mid range and then he's still great on like and then you know who else is doing that Janice Antenacupo By just running to the beat. And being one of the best defenders alive.

So like everything you're saying for him, you can just apply it to Janus. He's also a better passer and a way better defender, even when KD is doing well on defense. Yonis has no back. And so it's like, and they still can stop from scoring 30. And it's like, I don't know.

I think if Durant is able to this. Yonis has no bag with the, I read in 2019. I mean, Rand, that's man. I love it. He doesn't, it doesn't matter for him, but he doesn't have a bag. Like, that's just, it's just like a thing.

If anybody who can score 31 points per game with no bag, then if that's the case, then the word bag is meaningless. Are you for real right now? Here it go. It's absolutely irrelevant. If you can be one of the most efficient scores in the NBA, at 31 points per game, I don't give a fuck what kind of bag you have. It is irrelevant. I disagree. I think that, I think that, I think that, I just a, how?

Because I think that if you have two players and both of them are scoring 30 and both of them are super efficient and now we start talking about okay once we get into like a playoff scenario like how are we going to scheme and one person has a myriad of ways in which they can score and the other one has you know one or two or less you are easier to scheme against than ex player and so that's what I'm saying. Yeah if on paper you're saying this player can't this player can't you pick the one that can't. Yannis cannot be schemed out. We're so past that. In the Plasple we playedoff runs, last year was hurt. Just do what you want with their formation. Obviously, he wasn't playing 100%.

If you want to hold it against him, go ahead. You're before that. He looked like an unstoppable god against the Celtics with no co-stars. Nobody schemed him out of shit. You're before that, won the championship. Nobody schemed him out of shit. Like, we're past the point

where we're going to act like you can scheme him out because all he does is dunk. He's so much of a first time. Listen, I'm going to get Grant Williams on the phone. Grant, listen, say what you want. Grant Williams low-key be playing Yonis, like, really well. But great.

The only 29 is at 31. Good for Grant Williams. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. You know who also gives Janus Fits? On Yaka Kongu, man. I cannot wait until the Hawks give him the keys as a starting five. He gives that man fits.

Yonis don't know what to do. He looks like 20, 2013 Yonis. Whenever he goes up against a Kongwu, it's ridiculous, bro. It's one of the most awkward things to see ever. But against the Celtics. year before last being guarded by Grant Williams primarily. He scored 34, they had 33.9 points per game, 14.7 rebounds for game and 7.1 assists per game.

Listen, he scored about 30 of them on Al Horford. He scored four of them on Grant Williams. Series before that, in the finals, 28 points per game. Conference finals, 35 points per game. Semifinals, 27. First round, 31. You cannot scheme yonis out of the game. I don't want your shit about a bag. It does not matter.

See, you talk about first. round when they playing the bulls like i'm talking about every series i didn't them all are you only talk about that one i think every series bags matter bags matter and i i do to most people not tianas isn't a coopo did it matter to shack no see doesn't matter the honest either yeah yonis has a jans sports bag and we we all love it it gets the job done and kd has obviously like a louis it's not even jansport it's not even jansport it's the little like plastic clear ones that they give you at the stadium to like it's not a great bag

it doesn't matter the bag can't be closed top is always open weird analogy I don't know I don't know if that worked yeah yeah but again he's like one of those players that like it's at the conversation with

any of the other physically gifted players of the last however many years doesn't matter how many moves Shaq has you're not stopping any of them doesn't matter how many moves 2012 LeBron has you're not stopping them when you run straight It just doesn't matter. Facts.

But which one would you rather have, though? I'm picking all those players about Kevin Durant. Sorry to break it to you. No, the better, even though I'm not on your side element, Donovan, which one makes a better TikTok edit? That's the question, bro. Great. Oh, it's clearly, it's clearly Katie. Fantastic.

Oh, man. I think that's our list. Wow. That is a top 30 power forwards in the league. that was an interesting one lots of movements lots of adjusting on the fly because none of us have very strong opinions about these lists the power forward position is so weird and i think like we talked about it with the two and the three and the three and the three and four was like it's just a whole bunch of guys in the league right now that are like six five to six nine and everybody's playing every position like you have point guards and you have centers you have everybody in between it's like i don't know what these guys are exactly this list was hard because a lot of people that nominally play the four for their teams are really small forwards like a lot of guys like um lebron might you could say maybe he's the four but he's a small forward maybe kegan murray or harrison barns which everyone you want to pick but honestly they're both really small forwards so the talent was

depleted on this list because there's a lot of just a lot of teams play too small for is what it comes down to one of the greatest lies ever told in NBA history or you could say NBA like draft history because it was more in that it was more in that vein is that tweeners are bad today's NBA, that's all you look for when it comes to players being able to be on the wing from two to like four. That's all you need, bro. Well, yes and no. I think tweeners still, tweeners change, though. Nowadays, tweeters are the guys that are the size of a power forward, but they're slow-footed so they have the defense centers. Like a Montrez-Harrell. He's the moderate-day tweener

where it's really about defense these days of do you have the mobility to guard fours because fours are small forwards now? So if you're six-nine and you're slow, you can't really have a place in this league. yeah exactly but in general like the tweeter thing was between threes and fours and over time like you know that's been the biggest thing a lot of i remember who was like someone who got crucified for being a tweeter i think it's tobias harris probably the most um i mean jramon green just a quintessential example he fell because he's a tweener but then he became that became a strength of his and he became the greatest tweeter of all time yeah yeah exactly bro so oh my god where did you find this

look at his neck I don't know when did I tweet this Oh my god bro Was this a COVID era Or 2019

damn Nicku's doing his research Nicku's doing his research Oh god I forgot I tweeted this Yeah I'm done Yeah that's hilarious Dude look his neck man

This just don't look right Shout out Hannibal Burris God Audio listeners, Nikiel pulled up a tweet that says, I'm going to tell my kids, this was Draymond Green and has a picture of Hannibal Burris on a red card piece. I take this in 2019. That's hilarious. Yeah, right.

Yeah, man. TikTok time. About time. Oh, my God. What a transition. What a transition. I change it up on you. As always.

Starving. We're going to feed them. As always, we're going to begin with the draft. This time we're going to a draft of only players who play for a California team right now. Current players, which means the Clippers, Lakers, Warriors, or Kings. Let's draft NBA lineups with only players who play for a California team. All right. First pick, Wardell, Steffen Curry.

Okay, fair enough. Cool. Easy. Second pick. LeBron Jones. Do I want to go LeBron or AD? You know what? You like that old man.

Go ahead and pick AD. Second pick. give me lebron james when healthy i'm still picking them over ad or kawai or all these other guys nice that's all i can't go wrong with that whatsoever naturally give me anthony davis and i have to double up with kawai leonard you're gonna have 20 games with your core hey man this is the one game type thing i just need you for 48 minutes please don't let me down kai listen this playoffs kai didn't last the full game so we'll see next up ooh you got kawai you got kawai All right, well, next up, I got to take Paul George.

Naturally. Got LeBron and PG on the wing, starting good. Dang, dang, dang, dang. All right. Now we get to the nitty-gritty. Now we're going to start being a GM. Now we're going to start being a GM. And I think I'm just going to build the Warriors.

So give me Draymond Green. Wow, wow. Yeah, I need a wing defender. Give me Andrew Wiggins. Oh, okay, that's good Wow, okay Thank God This guy fell to me

Give me the Aaron box You're an ass I knew you wanted him too Mo Too bad You're an ass You're an ass All right whatever PT's gone

Right there Good grief man All right So at my two Give me Clay Thompson That's a good pick Yeah I can't believe

You see I'm building something here You see I'm building Come on man Yeah Can let him have any continuity. Damn, and then I, bro, there's literally, like, no guard available for me. Russell Westbrook. One, DeAngelo, Russell?

Russell Westbrook is right there. I am not. Maybe Gabriel Vincent. Gross, bro. Ugh, that doesn't count now. Okay, now I'm in hell literally. My bigs, my wings are sexy as hell right now. Okay, so give me Demontas a bonus.

I need to snack him away from y'all. Just need to. Oh, I was about to. Now, I am sabotaging your team because I can't be great. Neither will you. Ah. Fuck. Who you want?

Who's next for you? Give me. Wait, no. Wait, isn't it most? Oh, yeah. To round this out, too. Yep. Round this out too.

I'm going to put Austin Reeves as my point. You suck. You suck. I have to. I have to. You suck. You suck. I hate you.

No, I don't think Mo just went. Who did he get? No, Mo, you're right. I got Clay. Dude, I got Sabotaged. Love it. Love it. Dave, that's crazy.

Am I two? I can't even say anything. Give me Austin Reeves. You suck. You suck, too. Donovan, why did you have to open your mouth? Listen, I was trying to help you. I was trying to give you a third straight pick

You're sending them up It's okay I got the LBJ-Reeves connection It's up All right I got to You got to figure out some stuff At the

Bro, you can really build the Warriors right now Just pick two Warriors Play it Do it for the meme All right Bro pick Chris Paul and pick Lutie Please Oh my God

I I don't want Chris Paul I don't I don't do it for the moment Mo took Clay I was trying to do something He messed it up He should have picked Chris Paul He needs a point card

He really should up I am here to strictly sabotage Right now I would trade you Chris Paul for Clayton Blocked I'm not listening I'm here to sabotage Not win sabotage He's gonna pick Chris Paul next Don't let him make him pick runs

gross you know what okay fine move step to my two give me chris paul and cavan looney oh i got the full warriors let's go i got the warriors let's go this man got final form warriors minus clay all right i'll call you back listen we might be better off my turn give me if he said zoobots listen i got a super team donovan got a second round exit in real life Oh, man. Okay. Damn. I'm looking at Delo and he's looking at me right back. I don't want to do it, but I think I have to do it.

DeAngelo Russell. God, bro, I need a playmaker. This man's defense is anchored by Delo at the point of attack and Sabonis on the back end. Yeah, bro. I am fried, but Clay, Kauai, and AD going hold it up for me, man. Are they? There's some old team. I hope, man.

All right. So I got the Aaron Fox, Austin Reeves, Paul George, LeBron James, Yvesa VizizizuBus. Nice. I got Dilo, Clay, Kauai, AD, and Sabonis. I got CP3, Steph Curry, Andrew Wiggins, Draymond, Cavan-Lunee. We're eating. Let's go! We're eating! Wow, you got the 2024 champions, nice. That's what I'm saying. I like this scene yeah Fox and Reeves would be a sick back court

yeah I like that Fox and Rouge would be amazing I like that This team is nasty yeah but all right on to the next video the next thing we're going to do

a tier list as per usual this time we're going to do a tier list of NBA duos Let's do it Current all time Current Okay So let's put these NBA duos

into a tier list first off step curry and clay thompson it's step no you can't you can't put it in it's clay fell out clay fell out no clay's taking two step too far as step back to be an s still as to be a because there's there's there's out here with legitimately having two stars and clay's just not there anymore i'm putting don't prove y'all wrong next season man i hope there's not we i hope is who he is at this point clay's still really good but what are here i can just imagine that ear bleeding meme he's speaking down

on your name 18 is fair okay fine what about Anthony Davis and LeBron James S when healthy

but I don't even don't even say nothing just cut him out completely for this far Mew buddy S both elite level top 10

easily win healthy bro yeah Yeah, they're s-tier still. You gotta get my credit. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God, bro. Nicole Yokic and Jamal Murray.

That's S-tier. That's a real S-tier. Yeah, that's the top of the S-tier. That's the best duo in the league right now, right? Yeah, it took a long-ass time for people to actually notice this until results actually happened. But with the way they feed off of each other, bro, like, it feels like Jamal...

It feels like they're literally a match made in heaven. Well, it took a long time, because Jamal Murray was gone for two years, so that's fair. Well, that, well, yeah, while that is true, but... It's the first year he's back, so that makes it. Yeah, that is true. But still, points still stands. They feed off of each other beautifully, and...

Perfect. Jamal Murray is just like an aggressive, eager, shot hunter, and that's exactly what you need alongside Nicole. You can't ask for better synergy between two star skill sets. Exactly, bro. They're on sync almost all the time. Next up, Joelle Embed and James Harden. F.

Oh. Okay. This would have been A last year. The fact, get it off, Donovan. Get off your chest. Where are they at? All right, fine. Fine.

I was trying to be respectful. F tier, they're chokers. They can't win in the playoffs. They're foul merchants. I don't like them. They, under, they disappoint every single year. Put them in F. They're a failure.

So realistically. They're also not even a duo anymore. James Hunter doesn't want to be a duo. F tier Yeah facts I got to be F just because one half doesn't want to be there They're a duo for two more weeks

Yeah It's crazy because last year you probably would just A but just playoff failure After playoff failure I mean it would have been D last year They had another playoff failure last year In case you forgot Consistently underachieve

Damn F tier I love it There's absolutely a business vibes plus they both pull out the fat suit at the very beginning of each and every season bro for hardest specifically pulls out the fast suit when he's upset yeah he's upset right now he's in magic city as we speak broz and touch the basketball in a fortnight yeah next up next up fred van vleet and dillon brooks silence fills the room hey i'm not raking this one this it doesn't deserve to be on the board

i hope a spot below the list please when it comes to hustling grind s but when it comes to talent this is g gong dog We'll make him a new tier Hell That's great Gwong Don Janice has in a cumpo And Chris Middleton

Yonis is carrying heavy man I go eight tier Just because I don't know what Middleton is anymore With all the injuries But like Janus is still Janus So I'm gonna mate Yeah It's similar to Curry and Clay

where one side's really carrying. But I have more faith that Middleton kind of a bounce back season to get healthy than I do Clay. I think Clay kind of is who he is. It won't shock me. Middleton kind of returns to form next year. Yeah, they can definitely get back to S-tier,

but they're in A-tier right now. Yeah, they need to prove it first. I don't know. I don't see a healthy year out of Clay. Even then, though, when I think about just, like, duos and just the overall synergy, I don't know if I would put them at S because, like, I don't feel like they play off each other as smoothly.

Now, maybe it's me acting like, like, oh, I ain't. Co-workers? It's not that they're just co-workers, bro. It's just like the bounce back isn't really there, you know? No. I can't swing. It's not basketball.

It's straight aura, bro. Maybe just Kristen, those lumps in his head throwing me off. I don't know. It's not basketball. You just think Clay is hotter than Chris Middleton. That's all it comes down to. Yeah. That's hilarious.

Next up. Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. A A tier Come on Is it A No it's S dear No

It's not Why they have to win a championship together They can't be S Thank you No you don't Dude There's two all NBA teammates They're the only duo right now

There's two all NBA teammates That don't mean shit Win something worse And then I'll put you in S Dude come on They're S dear No they're not They're not

They also They also choke Every single season I'm not putting them in S Yeah Every loss isn't a choke. They're not S because they don't feed off of each other as well as you blood. They got their teeth kicked in, but they didn't choke.

Like, chokes, they lost. Like, they should have won, so maybe I guess you can call it a joke, but choking makes it sound much worse than a joke. They were playing Caleb Martin and Gabe Vincent and went down 3-0. No, I don't care. Caleb Martin stared you in the eyes, and you guys did nothing, bro. This man was in Charlotte. He got cut by the horn. Oh, okay, fair enough.

You won't put a mess? I guess we'll save S for the best of the best. I get it. Yeah. Next up, Julius Randall and Jalen Brunson. Do-doo, man. You. D.

D. No, what are you talking about? Come on now. It's eight. God, I know. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's B or C.

I'm thinking B. It's B. Why B? Yeah, it's B. B. I mean, Randall is an all-M-B-A player. Brunson made, made this ascension, like, and he, Brunson showed up in the playoff. Brunson was out here scoring 30 every other night in the playoffs.

Like, they have, they have a very good, you know, chemistry and synergy. Like, they're not, they're not, they're not going to lead your team to some, like, top three seed and some, you know, Easter conference finals type thing, but they are fantastic. They're really good. Yeah, it's two low-level all-stars. It's definitely be at least. Yeah, okay, whatever. My hate did not win this battle. who is C though

Damn Do you want to know who C Tre Young and DeJante Murray Oh that's a C As a C-ass duo Let's put them in there C C for sure

You might chat me And putting them at D Yeah say something now Say something now I shouldn't have opened my mouth The power of the tongue Has gone to me again Yeah that's a C duo for sure

God Okay next one We have Kyle Kuzma And Jordan Poole I mean, what are we talking about? Are we talking about Vibes? No basketball.

No. Are we talking about brunch? Because listen, they're going crazy at D.C. brunch, right? If we're talking about the clubs, Instagram, A tier, S tier, I don't know. But I'm not putting them anything above D. If we're talking about the court, that's not them. That's not where their strength lies. Okay.

Oh, bro. They're better off the court. They're just aura, bro. They walk into any scene together. They are an S duo in Washington, bro. Everybody stops the stairs. S by basketball? Yeah, this might be a D.

This is F tier for basketball. We can be honest. Yeah, bro. This is easily the most disgusting brand of basketball being played on both sides. But they look good together. Next up, Luca Donchich and Kyrie Irving. I kind of want to say S because they're both hard as fuck, but, uh, man. Look, you know what I mean.

I don't. I don't. What has the society turned into? I can't compliment you guys' games. I'll say, I'll say this. I'll say this. In theory, in theory, this is S tier. Yes.

In, on the court and results wise. this is a C-tier duo They got They got together And missed the playoffs Yeah I think we give them B They can't be higher than B Because they've done nothing but fail

But they're gonna be better next year Let's be real like they're gonna be probably A tier So I think they belong in B for now Yeah their team was depleted Lost out on one of their best One of the best defenders Permit Defenders in the NBA And so of course

I think I think you're attaching their team success Too much tied together with what they actually are together And so Kyrie's yeah they are they are the team but there are other aspects that they needed and they didn't have that and now they got better at least and so b is very fair for them it could be i want to see i want to say s strictly yuffa just no vibes bro they have they have terrible vibes if we're going off of vibes we're going if luka has has had bad vibes i don't i don't i don't like his vibe bro luca lost weight

he's coming different this year all right that is a tier list we got 11 teams here I like it. Very fair list. We did a good job. I approve. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do another thing we did a few weeks ago. We're going to look at some baby pictures

and guess which NBA player it is. Oh, man. I think you're the host of this one, Mo? Generational, yes. Guess the NBA player, by their baby pictures. Who is this angry kid? This kid is strong. This is crazy vibes?

Is that a six-pack? This picture represents who he thinks he is his entire NBA career, or at least as a light. Who he thinks he is. Ooh, this kid is strong. This is Dylan Brooks? That base, look.

He's too dark for that. I know, I know. I'm not trying to get colorist. Look, man, I ain't going to say it. He flexing, grimacing. Is this Patrick Beverly? no this is a he's in that tier though he's definitely in that tier a player this is marcus smart no uh does jordan pool what jordan pool's leiskin that is terrible man i'm sorry

time out for you apologize look at this baby he looks like a bruiser think with their brain a bruiser a bruiser he looks like that i can't see it i can't see it is this bruce brown No, it's not Bruce Brown I will say he has dreads now His dreads now Reds Yes, a broozer with dreads Interesting

He looks like a bruiser Not saying that he necessarily is one But he's big for no reason You could say so Eric Blitzow No, that's a good ass guess That's a good ass guess That's a good ass guess

That's a good ass guess Oh is this Is this Lou Dort No That's a funny guess That's a solid guess But no Not Lou Dord

Who has dreads? Yeah Can't remember Which conference is he playing Right now? East He plays in the East Who are the dreadheads?

He plays in the Eastern Conference This is not Robert Williams is it? No, this is not Robert Williams He said this photo right here what? Is this Drew Holiday? you are warm but it's not Drew oh my goodness who is this man

Jay Crowder oh this is boss man this is Jay Brader had to play in an NBA game in like eight months nobody's thinking about him he got played oh man he this baby right here is waiting like some pain

this is Jay Crowder man that's hilarious we don't care about Jay Crowder like that he's like that bro shout it to jay that's funny no you're right next one what's the next one that kind of made me upset

next one who is this kid this baby take up the entire screen I know that fucking forehead anywhere that's nicola yokitch holy shit

he said damn yo what gives it away the forehead really Gerber baby everything gives away look those cheeks this man got a fucking

softball on his head damn see I thought for a second you would think this is Luca only two options clearly that's a cabbage patch kid I recognize that fat face anyway he really does look like a doll damn

oh I'm dead bro yeah he really got the same face to this day yeah exactly this man did not change whatsoever he looks like he kind of looks like the shining or something it's kind of scary looking his eyes is just mad blue

I don't like him move on Same hair cut too, consistent. Who is this kid? Oh, that looks real familiar. Yep. Oh, my goodness. A whole lot of attitude. Who is this?

He got a Scooby-Doo shirt on or Scooby-Doo overalls on. Oh, who is this? This boy do not like to listen, bro. And they carried on to his adulthood. He looks real familiar. look at the ears look at the nose look at the eyes the lips whoa yeah you're mad central over yeah who is this child he doesn't like to listen he don't like to listen bro what conference he's big that's all i'm gonna say he's big big he's not like like that but he's a big

yeah oh he looks so familiar who is this yeah bro you didn't answer my question i said it's not jalen durin it's not i i okay he's in the That James Wiseman? No, it's not James. Yes, Western Conference. He doesn't like to listen, bro. Don't like to. Oh, oh, this is DeAndre Aton.

This boy can't do shit. I told you to do this one thing he can't do it. Yes, it's DeAndre Aynne, bro. He looked like his mom used to give him hell back in the day. God. This is DeAndrean. Yeah, I see it. Wow.

Yeah, bro. Y'all like killing it. Yeah, this is a crayon. I thought he would look much older. DeAndre Aton is like 27. He looks 72. I thought he would have looked 56 out of the room He came into the league

A grizzly vet for sure Oh, man Next up Who? Next up What is baby buddy? What God? Baby hungry

Come on, Matt You picked the worst baby picture Oh my God He is not in the league anymore Oh, he's not in the league? I was about to say This looks like

This looks like Zion William adjacent. What am I supposed to gain for this? This is just going to a straight-on face. This is crazy. This is one of the greatest players at all time, and he's a big. What is Shaquille O'Neal? I don't know. Damn.

Fat phobia? Yes, this is Shaquille O'Neal. You got it. Damn. Can't believe that was the first, that was the first guess you had. Damn. I thought of them was around NBA player. Yeah.

The wide, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the wildest of the mouth, just scary, bro. Like, I didn't know, but you, yeah, that's, that's, that's Mr. Potato Head. I'm sure you could have found a better picture than this. Yeah, for sure. This goes to football, like, I just guess. Wow. Next one.

Next. Who is this kid? That's Paul-Pish. That's all past. Don't even, don't even say it. That's obviously Paul-Pier. That was fast. There we go.

Listen, he looked like a menace back then. He's still a menace right now. Get Paul Pierce so much. He looks so much. He's so much. He's so much. All right. Who is this kid?

That's Drake. That is Mr. Dominican himself, Jason Tatum. No. It is not. Now? Rob Lyskin. His hair is not like that. It's close.

The Daddy Granger? No. No, that looks like Tobias Harris. No. Good guess, though. Tobias hair is not like that. It does look like Tatum. He's a good-looking.

NBA player now. It does not look like. It does not. This looks like Denzel Valentine. Oh, is this Jalen Green? No, it's not Jalen Green. Jalen Green. That's a bad guess.

That was a bad guess. That was a bad guess. I said, Denzel Valentine is who, man. I'm not going to be me. I'm not going to be me. I got to find his baby picture next. It's not Lamello Ball.

Who is this man? That, he was in the same. let me not say that oh let me not say that Tyreece no no but this hair's throwing me off it doesn't like no no Devin Booker that's a good guess though this I don't know I don't know he's just he's just too good he's a nice guy Kelly you Bray no he's a nice guy he's a nice guy he's a nice guy I wouldn't say he's necessarily good at everything, good at anything, but cute kid. So you're saying he's a handsome NBA player who's light skin and he's trash? Yes.

Good description. I mean, listen, we're getting to a point where it's a lot of those. So I don't know where to go with that. Let's see. It's a lot of beige kids. They're filling up the league. Was he a top 10 draft pick? uh yes

hmm okay you was top 10 a couple years ago who is this kid a couple years ago yeah I think the cheek structure

in the ears kind of give it away but let's just stick to the cheeks in the smile handsome NBA player is this Kevin Knox Kevin is ugly as hell

what he looks like a mutant turtle what the hell are you talking about Kevin Knox he looks like He looks like, dude, who's that dude from the Fantastic Four who's like, dude, who's that dude from the Fantastic Four who has like no skating, like, Kevin Knox is hideous.

What? You know why I take that to heart? Because someone said I looked like Kevin Knox on time. That's why. That's why. That's why. You look nothing like Kevin Knox. I know.

That's what I said to this person, too. Do I need to state the obvious to why? Like, what the fuck? God, bro. I have no idea. You said, Top 10 pick. I'm still trying to think.

Top 10 pick a couple of years. It's not. No. My MPJ's a great guest, though, but it's not him. Is this Ben Simmons? No. This dude's a bum. Lonzo Ball?

No, it's not Lonzo Ball. He's a bum. Who are these bums? This is Jared Culver? Jared Kohler is black. What are you talking about, man? God. This kid is black, too.

But he's not that black. We're not going to do that. All right. We give up. We can take time. All right. This is Kellian Hayes. Good grief, man.

He's a scrub. Do you see it for real now? Yeah. I guess. I don't be thinking about scrubs. Yeah. I never would have got there. Yeah.

Oh, that's funny. Okay. I see it. That's one. All right. Who is this kid? That's Christops for Zingis. No, that's a good guess, though.

This is not Christops. This is wrong white boy. Wrong tall white boy. There's only a few of them Is this Walker Kessler? No, no, no, this is Lowry Marketing No, it's not Ah, no, the hair's a little bit too straight

Yeah, Larry got that curlyness in his hair Oh, you're right, you're right Tall, this is a blonde, he's a blonde white boy He's a blonde white boy He looks like, yeah, looks like a cool kid In tune Is this Grady Dick? You're going to, you're going to?

Yeah, it's Grady, yeah! there you go that's such that was amazing that was amazing you thought you got me with the curve ball fuck out of you yeah yeah exactly i'm slacking on this one i said there's not that many white boys in india right now and for great he stands out perfectly that was great yeah it's like so many blondes all right who is this kid oh that's he's wearing wizard jersey who is this oh is it jared that doesn't mean anything jared what jared jerry Jared He kind of looks like Jared Dudley

He kind of looks at Jared Dudley Jared Dudley was around In the segregation days This is not Jared Dudley Plus that man was forever a bald and No, that is not Jared Dudley This picture is too new Who is this guy?

Don't pass to the Jersey There's too many of these Leiskeen babies You know curly hair I don't know who these people are There's too many It's not Jason Tatum, is it? No, it's not Tatum.

You show me any of Lyskin, baby. I'm guessing Jason Tatum first. I know. You got to throw it out there. You know the epidemic we're under? It's just Jason Tatum every time. I don't know. It's mad Jason Tatum's in the league.

Hey, one thing that I will say is that this guard. He's going to Houston before the lightskins. This baby is a guard. He was born to be a guard. Look at how he's cradling that ball in his hand. Oh, that's Jordan Pool? No. With the carry?

He's carrying. Just like Jordan Poole. Oh my God. Daniel and Russell? I'm kidding. Is this Jalen Suggs? You're super hot right now, but no. Cole Anthony?

Wrong, light skin. All the guards are lightskin. Damn. Anthony Black? Yes, it's Anthony Black. Let me. Stop picking these rookies, man. I haven't seen their face enough.

The eyes give it away, man. Damn. My next guess was Mark Hill. Yeah All I'm Good Bro the next one Who is this kid

That is Betyl juice Yeah That's gonna give me trouble man Yo Fetal juice It's crazy Nah this is a current player

Why does this baby look like A foreign player? No No Is it a current player Oh current player No This baby looks like

He was like Raised on a farm He's just like He's like wearing these overall He's not a current player. Not raised on a farm. He looks mad like 1950s. He was not in 1950s.

This was old. She was a Kengo at? Is this Zach and Randolph? No, that's a, okay guess, but no. Wait, you said not a current player? Not a current player. Recently retired. This recently retired.

Well, maybe not officially retired. Not recently retired. Is this Rajon Rondo? Is this Roger Rondo? No, it's not Rondo. Is it Justin Thompson? That's a good run. No, it's not Tristan Thompson.

Tristan just got kicked out of the league, bro. He didn't retire. That was unwanted. Yeah. Let's see. Recently retired. Who's next on the unwanted? This looks like a civil rights baby.

I don't know who fits the mold. Is this J.R. Smith? No, you're kind of close, though. Not J.R. Smith. You're not close to me at all. Oh, wow. He just lied up. Yeah.

Yeah, I had to get, I had, oh, is this, is this Eudanus Haslam? No, it's not Eudonis. Dang. His baby was a big man. Small and, okay. That's all I had. Demarck's cousins? No, you're close.

Oh, is it Dwight Howard? Yes. Ah, man is on fire. Yo, how do you know what these babies look like, Isaac? I know everything. All right. How many more we have? Who is this kid?

Oh, I have no fucking clue Baby's a smiler Yeah This baby has like a very defined face What type of hair is that? I know, come on time on time on Hey, that's that We should be one of the clearest things

The hair is very weird, bro Is this to Janté Murray? I don't even know No, not Dezante This is what people call Good hair This is what people call good hair This is

Um Dang I shouldn't This player is on the last legs Of his NBA career Hmm Hmm Very defined face

Awkwardly enough Yeah that's a Who is this man Super Nogal I don't know why he has a football in his hand Disregard that On the last legs Last legs

It was an NBA career Man is a ring chaser Is this one Adonis Haslam? No it's not Eudonis It will be black and white Let's be real Okay so he's a ring chaser for real not a lot of ring chases in the league right now wait is he ring chasing

right now you could say so wasn't his choice say so what is that oh this is christopher emmanuel yes this is he manual look at happy baby let's go dude you're on a hot streak i don't know why like that it looks that's that's what this hair looks so fake bro it's a toupee i'm confused that's hilarious he's always been a Deceiver. Next one. I think. Ooh, we do.

This is the last one. Who is this kid? Is that a cat? No, not cat. That's Nelly. This boy look Dominican, bro. Is this Justin Tatum? No.

God, no. Is this Tobias Harris? No. Eventually, you will pick Jason Tatum and I will be there for it. Look at his nose. I think the wide nose kind of gives it away. Bro. Charged don't I'm not trying to stereotype people

I'm not trying to do it It's not bad Let's see who is this man Is Desmond Bain? Nah They he His hair is not like that anymore and it's definitely Overgrown He has a no it's not just cut it

Yeah He has a former braids or dreads just know we got a lot think think think think think look the eyes and eyebrows this kid doesn't show he doesn't look happy doesn't look sad

this kid is just there okay he doesn't like his life let's see I think he loves his life so who's miserable how to show it no he loves his life he just doesn't know how to show it

he's not even smiling in this photo he's just like this isn't a rookie is it no hell no Thank God. This is one of the better players. This is one of the better players in the NBA. This is Anthony Davis?

No, but you're super close. Super close to Anthony Davis. Is it Paul George? No, it's too light. Yeah, it's not Paul George. But he's a baby, though, so like, color vary. This is Kauai Leonard? Yes, it's Kauai Leonard.

Look how awkward this is. I've never seen a baby pose like this before. Every baby's is That is Kawai Leonard You're lying You're lying Swear of God This is Kauai

That looks like Carlton That's That's Kauai Leonard That is Kauai Leonard Believe bird That looks more like Derek White And does Kauai Leonard What the fuck?

That is Kauai Leonard Promise you Look at the nose What How do he He got like four shades darker What is this? people do that look man bro you I mean he grew up in that like

that's crazy had there with the son yeah you'll be shocked I was like to tell when I was a baby too bro it happens that's funny that I mean you weren't you weren't that like that's crazy for our next video we're going to do something we did last week and we're going to do a blind ranking of players Donman I think you got five names for us yep all right let's let's get into it let's get into it and what are we doing this what are we ranking We're going to be ranking NBA MVP's.

So we're going to blind rank these NBA MVP's. Let's go. All right. Blind rank these NBA MVP's without knowing who's next. You don't say blind. Just say rank these NBA MVP's without knowing who's next. All right. Rank these NBA MVP's without knowing who's next.

Let's go. All right. First one. Steve Nash. Oh, this has to be five. Five? Five. Hmm.

Yeah, there's probably not a word to me. out there. Yeah, there's not a lot of, I don't know. What if you pulled out, Joelle and... Yeah, it's safe to put Steve Nashapob and cool. Yeah, if you pulled out Jewel and beat, I'm still taking Joelle and beat over Steve. Okay. Sorry, Steve.

Next one. Steph Curry. Which year? 2016. This has to be one. Probably one. Do we want to... Or two.

I think two is safe. Two or three is safer. there's not a lot of years better than 2016 Steph Curry do you think he would do what's that dirty to name the best staff ad I 100% would do you that dirty let's put him at 2 just to be safe okay unanimous MVP crazy man I actually I know

unanimous he's unanimous okay let's go on let's go yeah nobody we're not gonna feel dumb about anybody yeah being behind Steph Curry 2011 Derek Rose That's four Four Four Yeah

I'm comfortable putting it People are gonna hate that But I don't care he's four A vibes He is number one But if we're being real He is definitely Yep

One in our hearts Four in our brains Yeah All right 22 Nicolioch Mm I think that's probably two right

Two or three? I think probably two. That is a great season. Yeah. The only way we'll regret it is if he pulls out like Braun. And if he does, so be it. I think I kind of want to put him at three though, person. If he pulls out Braun, it's on you.

What if he pulls out in Bede? That is true. That MVP was... I don't think we'll regret putting it at two. All right, let's put him at two. Let's go. all right last one 2001 allan iverson i feel very okay of putting him on yokech put him at three easy we won yeah i think this is perfect i think that's on the list that was a great call by you

amazing i see my fucking veins sorry i don't i don't think i would change that if i could no i think you guys did very well very sorry i'm sorry i don't think i would change that if i could not i think you guys did very well very Yeah, I'm so happy we did not put Curry at number two. They unanimous helped us. Yeah, for sure. Okay. One more video we got in us, and we're going to do something we've been doing. It's a new staple of the show.

Old versus new, this time Power Forward's. So let's get ready to argue before we get out of here. Last segment of the day. So, which NBA Power Forward is better? Old or New? Janus Antenacupo or Kevin Garnet? Janus. He didn't let me finish.

Yannish, yanny, y, y, y, y, y'any, y'anish. Munch. Munch. And I'm proud. Glazing. That's tough. It is tough.

That's tough. It is tough. KG was a psycho, man. And if he was an NBA today, he'd be wreaking havoc. Yeah. Who's a better defender? Probably KG. Yeah.

Well, it's a better defender. It's hard to be a better defender than DPOY, Yonis, but KG is one of the few guys you could easily, you could, KG is one of the few guys you could realistically say is. I'm going KG. I'm going KG. I think the fact,

I think the, I think the fact that like we just let, or not even we, that he let himself just like waste away on those god-awful Minnesota teams kind of like hurts him a little bit. Because if he was, if he was anywhere else three years prior, he would racked up rings.

So I'm going KG. Yeah, I think KG is a slightly better defender. A slightly better passer, but Yonis has a better score, I think. Overall, and I think that tips it over for me. I think Yonis. But it's not, it's not by and he's not, he's not crazy like KG. I'm picking, I'm picking KG off a straight mentality. Yeah.

Yonix mentality is corny dad jokes and being horny. All right, we go KG for Pure Psycho Factor. Next up, Dennis Rodman versus Draymond. green I'll let you know before you say anything there's a right answer if you say the wrong one I'm not speaking for the rest of the episode uh I'm gonna try to get the wrong answer the Dennis Rodman gas is sliding on me man right who's the answer Dennis robin oh man I kind of yeah it's Dennis robin it's Dennis it's Dennis it's Dennis the rebounding is different man keeping him keeping him silent I think Don who was

smoking most serious seek help it's obviously dream on green uh well but Dennis is a fashion obvious what will we remember draymond for come on obvious no it's Jiam on green Jiam green is probably so Dennis Robbins is a better rebounder then Draymond green is probably a better defender he's more versatile changed the game more his playmaking it makes him have way more offensive utility than Dennis Robin had it's really not a good conversation I don't think that is true i think it's close i think it's it's close i don't i don't think it's like like a dream one's not laughing dennis rodman yeah but in terms of how many because he's

yeah but it's like clearly like it's a small margin with the margins very clear yeah exactly in terms of how many aspects of the game is is he getting himself involved in and just how he's elevating everything and everybody you can think of on the court and even things that you're not thinking of it's probably german yeah it comes out to draymond is a very useful offensive player that enabled the Warriors offensive be what it is. Dennis Rodman has very little offensive value. He's probably a zero.

But he would eat on Lee Fitz today, man. He would eat. Oh, yeah. The vibes would be immaculate today's day. Absolutely. Ahead of his time in terms of swagger and aura. Facts. And in terms of befriending dictators. Cut.

I'm not cutting that. He has best friends of a dictator. want simple facts we have bags to secure you're talking about chumming it up with dictators

listen Dennis Robbins I giving us a bag think of the corporations Isaac next up Lamarcus Aldridge versus Zion Williamson

you know where I'm going where you're going I'm going Lamarcus Aldridge he can play Zion can't it's simple in plain but I never

Watch Lamarcus all just play and be like, wow, I've never seen a player, never, I've never seen a player do this before. Are you for the way about Zion? Absolutely. Zion is elite. Elton. I mean, Lamarcus was elite as well. Lamarcus was pretty great. For sure.

Super underrated, bro. But I think I'm going to, I'm going to lean. For now, Lamarcus, but it won't be that for long. Yeah. I mean, it might be. Zion doesn't. play it might be three years until we see him do something hey yeah if zion didn't have the injury concerns i would go him but he hasn't done enough to supplant lamarcos aldridge yet yeah it is true

that is true but peak of their powers zion already we don't even know what the peak of his powers look like bro this is 22 year old zion who eats donuts every morning for breakfast bro this is scary yeah man's a bignet bandit yeah bro beny bandit You're waiting to say that. Man, it's Captain Cressant. This whole segment just wrapped around that one joke. Detective Donut over here. You clearly have a note with just all of these written down.

Lieutenant Lobster Rule. Lieutenant. Now, he's going crazy. Oh, God, Le Gilles put up a tweet. see that was the crazy that was the craziest time right there man that's true people will be on Zion's head it's kind of unfair I think this is when this I think this is when the Sprite commercial came out to

his stomach his gut was O D big it was terrible angle yeah next up Anthony Davis or Pau Gasol AD AD this AD you can't you can't front

People crucified me when I said this When we made an all-time Lakers team I don't care It's crazy It's obviously Anthony Davis Yeah people were in their fields Way too much When they crucified

It was AD defense There needs to be no discussion about that AD is one of the best defenders In the NBA Pagosol's never been to 80s level In terms of that And offensively Yeah Pagosol is cool We can do a lot of things

The AD can not do But in terms of versatility It's AD still bro Yeah People just have a lot of nostalgia for palisal because they have it for cobi and they link him together but they're not in the same caliber of player yeah exactly get out of feelings amari stottemeyer or julius randall you gotta

i got to i got to give it to amari stottomire like before his before his knees went out umari was killing it on both ends of the floor part of the sun's team that you know helped revolutionize the nbaa marroman was like that yeah easily but he wasn't the best defender in the world but easily better defender than julius randall and i think his skill set as like the best lob catcher in the NBA, perfect guy to pair next to a dynamic guard is more valuable than what Julius brings as a tough shot mid-range jump shooter. Also, Amari's vibes 10 times better than Julius since. Max, exactly, bro.

I never met an NBA player who was able to make his own son cry at his game. Damn. It's quite the accomplishment. Last one. Jaron Jackson versus Zach Randolph. I don't want to say Zeebo. for Strictly Vives, man. The bullies bully.

I do too. I want to say it because I'm scared to say anything otherwise. So, Zach Randolph. Facts. Yeah, this dude

had some phenomenal facts, too. This dude had some phenomenal performances too actually played a big part in leading the gris and studying that culture. I think in 2014,

he upset some, some insane teams. The spurs. The spurs, bro. He was the face of that. Zibo? Yeah. I think was,

13? No. Yeah, I think it was 2013. No, no, no, no. I don't know. I don't know, but they did it, but they did it. And Zach Randolph was a big part of that. Yeah, you're right.

It's probably like, like 2011. No, like that. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. Jaron Jackson is not the better player. Yeah. Better archetype.

No, that's Jaron Jackson, obviously. No, I'm sticking to Zivo for now. All right. guys that's the episode crayon eaters it was a pleasure make sure you go ahead and leave a like comment all day good stuff join the discord comment i'm scared of zach randolph let's see that in the comments thanks beautiful goodbye until then see you peace