The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Shooting Guard In The NBA | Ep. 46

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

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So last week, we opened the show by saying we're official in the dead of the off season, that nothing's happening. So we're going to start a series of ranking positions one by one. I said that last week. And now we're really in the dead of the off season. Nothing has happened since we recorded that. Thank God we're doing rankings because there's nothing else to talk about. All it is just fake rumors of Embed.

People trying to, you know, start stories about, oh, is Embed about to start, you know, asking for a trade request, ask out of Philly. We're in the trenches. We're in the trenches. Dame Lillard needs to get traded. Tomorrow, actually no, not tomorrow, not tomorrow, wait a week until right before we record the next pod then he needs to get traded and then we can keep moving on Exactly. Yeah, but like we said, it's a good thing we're doing these rankings because we have someone to talk about today and as you saw the title, we're doing every shooting guard in the NBA Which means we're doing the top 30 roughly every starter in the league and man, we were spoiled last week doing the point guards. There's a lot of good point guards not a lot of good shooting guards

Oh, man, we were in the trenches easily, bro. Like, after, no joke, after like 15, it was a steep decline, bro. And I was literally having the nastiest debates in my head ever. I shouldn't have to think more than 10 minutes about this. But I caught myself thinking more than 20 minutes about some of these, bro. Back. Bro, it was 4 p.m. today. I was debating Lou Dort versus Jordan Clarkson.

And I was just like, is this my life now? It's crazy. Jesus, man. I legitimately had to start thinking, like, are we, in the worst era of shooting guards which he've ever been. The list is making this list made my head hurt. It's crazy.

I'm very interested to see who y'all have. All I know is that we're going to have zero correlation to any of our list. We're going to have to do a lot of explaining for the most mid-ever. There's no clear tears. No clear tears at all. It's just a big ass conglomerate of shit.

That's all. People, there's a list. Before we get into it, as always, if you're watching on YouTube, do us a favor drop a like and subscribe if you run audio platforms leave us a review drop five stars

help us run up those rankings we're 29 on the Spotify charts for top sports podcast help us push to the teens maybe top 10 we'll see what we can do yeah man let's get right into these lists let's start what we did before

we're gonna start with 25 through 30 and work away up to the top five I'll go ahead and send my top five or my bottom five I should say first it's actually 26 through 30 not 25 can't do math so yeah I'm not good at this. And I can't spell.

I was a journalism major. I don't do math anymore. I haven't done it in years. Here's my bottom five. At number 30, I have Benedict Matherin, 29 Buddy Healed, 28 Gary Trent Jr., 27 Max Struce, and 26 Colin Sexton. Max

Drews, major list. Big ups to you, you dirty bitch. Man, I didn't put him on my list. You're disgusting for that, dude. You put Max Struis on that list. Wow. What are you? What are you called me? that you're so dirty man

max crazy what are you having his max truce nothing I'm just like wow man like I never thought I'll see him in any type of list whatsoever until now he's solid he's a good shooter he can hold his own on defense he can do a little with the ball in his hands I like him he's a good player

yeah this list is going to be disgusting I love it listen if you told me he was 47 on your list I would understand because all this is the top of pod we're here to right now bro this is embarrassing type of shit we've been on

yeah what do you guys think about this top five bottom five how do you feel about healed and mathron because mathrin started

starting over healed but I don't even know if he's actually a better player yet I feel that's more of a development decision and like a fit yeah

do you guys have them close by I don't have them close by because I think I feel like buddy healed just consistently gets disrespected

because no one thinks of him as one of the best anything in the NBA but he's a historically one of the best sewers like ever point blank period yeah there's nothing to go ahead and debate that the numbers are right there and also just eye test he's he's so trigger happy and it goes in most of the time when he whenever he pulled it too so it's like i mean i think

buddy healed is a better player but i think long term projection wise like obviously like you know bennett will probably be better so i can't be mad at you for this whatsoever i think this is pretty accurate and i would do the same thing i have buddy healed ahead of matherin as well Cool. Yeah. And the other thing are thoughts on these five guys? Not not really. I mean, the Sexton thing at 26 and like we're not going to obviously like spend a bunch of time on this.

But like I think that's interesting like, you know, Sexton in his situation in Utah is really interesting. I want I want to know like what kind of went through your head putting him above above everybody else above like above Heel above Gary Trent. If you look at it. So he didn't get a. ton of playing time because he started the season coming back from injury and was like buried in the bench for a little while for the whole year he only averaged like 23 minutes a game but he's like had by far his most efficient season of his career I think if I remember what I saw earlier he was a 40% three point shooter by far as high as field goal percentage if you look at his per

36 minute stats which I think is fair to do when someone plays 23 minutes a game like it approximates pretty well it would be a better season of his career he didn't average 25 like he did a couple years ago, but way more efficient. His passing, I think, was solid. I'm coming up some slack because of the fact that he's coming back from injury, but I think he's still a really good player. He's just taking a lot of get back into it and was buried on a team that had a lot of other guards.

But I think he's still good. Well, they had a lot of other guards, but, like, still, I think that's, like, Utah's main weakness is the guard position. So when he was traded there, I mean, obviously, like, you have to cut him some slack because he did get injured and he was coming back from a serious injury,

stuff like that. But, like, regards of the fact I thought he was going to have a killer year, but that's, I guess that's just my fault on putting so much expectation on him. I never said this out loud because who the hell is having conversations about the Utah Des and Colin Sexton? But I think that's a little high for me personally. But, you know, like, I'm not mad at it whatsoever. I wouldn't put him over Gary Trent. That's going to be the slogan of today's episode. It's like, you know what? I don't, I don't like it, but I'm not mad at it. Like, we're going to say,

that for every tier. There's a few players on this list where they're surrounded by a lot of role players, but I don't think of a very high ceiling. So I gave them the benefit of that who I think they're truly a better player, just aren't necessarily in a situation that best shows it. You're going to have that conversation later with Jalen Green, who I ranked higher than this, obviously, where he's not a very efficient at all, wasn't particularly good and effective, but I believe part of that is because he was the number one option on a shit show Rockets team, and I think putting him in a better scenario, he'll actually be better, put a better stats, I feel similarly with sex.

And I think once he gets a chance to go full start to advance again, he's going to start to impress people once again. Hmm. All right. Yeah, I'm cool with you. Now that I think about it, too, I think you're discussing for putting Buddy Healed that low, that much ahead of, like, Max Drew.

Now that I'm mad. I'm actually mad now. What is Buddy Heel can't play defense to save his life? Buddy Heel is a bench player, despite being a top-tier shooter, because he can't do anything else. He's not good. He can consistently shoot. That's all you need him to do

And consistently get shot against And it will go and more often against him Than it will for him Who cares, bro? Who cares? For every team that's ever had him cares He's never a starter He has nice teeth

And he has a strap on him, bro Max Drews, he's what? Yeah, he has giant teeth He kind of talks 22s. Maybe he deserves to be there. Relax on buddy, relax on buddy. Let him live. Okay, but yeah, I mean, again, sure,

put him to 26. I don't know. Okay, so. So, here's my list. I have Buddy Healed at 26. KPJ, similar to how you feel about, or semi-similar how you feel about Colin Sexton, I put KPJ there for similar-ish reasons. Take a good point guard.

Yeah, exactly, you're right. He is, I was just thinking about guards who just haven't, you know, panned out necessarily how you thought they would pan out, and also for specific reasons, whatever, cool. Let me go back to explain my list. KPJ at 27, 28, I have Malik Monk. 29, Gary Trent, and 30, I have Herb Jones. So the first thing you spot out is KPJ, is he on your, on you guys list at all, or, wait, he's a point guard? He's a point guard, yeah, he's a starting point guard.

Yeah. Bro, is he seriously, do you guys, he's not a point guard for real, though. We all know that he's mispositioned. He is, but like, he's played, he's played points since he's gone to Houston. Yeah. And I counted Herb Jones a small forward, so I didn't include him. but like i don't know that's fine but k pt they're like explicitly making him a point guard they shouldn't but he's a point guard for real in my mind i'm just like he probably won't play point

listen now that now that like fred's there and amend there like he's probably gonna gonna be back at the two so like i'll let you know like i'll listen we'll let you live because i did i did the same thing with with maxi because maxi's been listed as a as a two last year but i think that he's gonna you know end up playing point this year so i mean i'll let you live on that but but even even if i thought he was a two guard he still wouldn't be on my list i think i think kpj is i've seen too many um and it's like it's not his fault just because that situation in houston has been so disastrous and they really really had no direction and it's really just been like okay jalen your turn and it's dribble jubble jubble kpj your turn dribble dribble jubble like

they haven't been put in situations to run an actual NBA offense but he just hasn't been efficient I think like as a playmaker I've seen a lot of mental mistakes from him I don't I just wouldn't have him as like a top 30 guard

on my list so he's not on my list yeah I forgot by Malik Monk that's a good pick maybe I'd probably slide Malik Monk ahead of Benedict Mathern probably head of buddy healed as well definitely but I didn't think about him I forgot I slept, so I'm going to hold that. All right.

Here's my list. Here's my list. So at 26, I also have Buddy Heald. At 27, I have Gary Trent Jr. 28, Malik Monk. 29, we're putting Quentin Grimes in there. And then at 30, at 30, we got Benedict Mathrim. Nice.

I had Quentin Grimes on there. And I saw his TikTok today where he had a Starbucks cup. And then he was like, if your Starbucks is this color, I like it. And I was like. Man, take him off the list Take a hike That's tough That's tough

That's my list Wow, okay Okay So you guys are higher on buddy healed to me Yeah You guys both have buddy healed A lot higher than me Yeah

I'd pretty clearly Rather have Gary Trent than buddy healed That one was pretty easy for me I think the fact that no team Has ever won to start buddy healed Despite the position need Tells you something Like he's not an effective player

At anything besides shooting and like it goes back to like lakers fans always lessling after him and stuff and I was like I promise you like pass a three point percentage there's nothing appealing there yeah but still like that three four percentage is still valid that's the thing that's driving it from you though it's like when it comes to this one thing at the game that a lot of teams are on their knees for on a consistent basis this is it and he's the epitome of that just threes okay nothing else don't it's nothing to dribble create for nobody don't play no damn defense he you're going to be He's just there to shoot threes and then go back to the motherlands.

That's it, bro. That's hilarious. But other than that, I had been a math in the same spot as you. I'm okay, but Quentin Grimes being up there. Yeah, now I slept on Malik Monk. I like your bottom five more than my bottom five. I'll say that. Yeah.

Nice. It's cool. It's cool. Let me grab my next five. interesting Now this I think is where we take

a big jump to good players This is next year At 25 I have Jordan Clarkson 24 Lugentz Dort 23 Jordan Pool

22 Emmanuel quickly And 21 KCP Okay Interesting I like Good players This is a good

Actually I like this vibe Like this is actually This is the This is the hardest stretch to me And really the next Three picks as well

We're kind of difficult because like KCP versus quickly how do you change that's so wildly different players I ended up like quickly does more with the ball in his hands obviously

has more of offensive punch was a six man of the year contender but KCP is so rock solid and so perfect for a winning team he's a lot of value he just like you see the guys above him have a little more

creation ceiling which I think is valuable especially in younger guys who are the next three guys above him but KCP is a valuable role player I would take KCP like, I like the fact that he's at the top of this little section. Wow.

Yeah, I just think that, like, for everything that you just said, being able to contribute to winning is very, very important. And especially when you're in this tier of player, like you are 100% going to be a role player. And we've seen KCP do it on multiple occasions, multiple teams. He plays good defense, hits timely shots whenever people need him to. I'd like the fact that he's up there. It could have been higher, honestly You'll see the knees above him

Are very interchangeable Yeah, I like that too How do you feel in Jordan pool? See, I was gonna That might be a little low For pool? A little low Yeah, exactly

Or quickly I would rather have a pool The ceiling is higher It's clear as day Yeah, the ceiling is higher But the floor is lower I feel like this year He was definitely worse

But I could see the argument For him bouncing back And being better in Washington Yeah, exactly even though the ceiling is I mean the floor is definitely worse I just take into fact that their current or their situations next year and of course mix that into what they actually did in the court this past year and I think still just because the ceiling is something that I don't imagine Emmanuel quickly ever reaching like that's why I simply just have to put pool over quickly and also quickly didn't make my list I just had other players who I just thought who I'd rather have them my team compared to him so maybe it's me like just sleeping on um emmanuel quickly so i like it quickly in your list no he wasn't but i but but the only reason why is just i was just considering i was considering him more as like a it's like a backup one type thing and and there was there was some

other there was some other players it's this list and the small forwards list next week i think these are the really weird ones because there's a lot of guys are really just like wings and they're like really interchangeable and so like they might say oh this guy's a small forward but they play the two a lot or like like mo was saying this guy is a two but he's being out of position and he's playing a one like this you know once we get to like two three it's really kind of shaky this is why we need to go back to just or what we need to start doing is just listing positions by goddamn height bro keep it simple yeah i can see that if you Kind of the point of guard, that's fine, but I think quickly was very,

Nick's fans love him and probably maybe overate him a little bit, but I think the average NBA fan doesn't realize quite how effective quickly was last year. Yeah, I think he was genuinely impressive and, like, easily a more productive player than Jordan Poole last year. Yeah, oh, for sure. Poole's in the same realm because of potential, like, Clarkson was also better than Poole last year easily, but I think Poole will, he'll be better next year with more touches and a chance to play into a style that isn't, that is more,

to his natural style of play absolutely yeah i agree so it's usually put lou doort there dude shot below he saw like what 30% from the field or something like that he's a he really yes he's sub 40% bro that's why i was like ah no he can't be i was telling you whenever before the podcast i was telling isa like yo some of these players i did like three seconds of thought and i looked at their basketball reference saw the field go percentage i'm like you can't even make my list bro you nice other things you got nice locks but and you massed you massive you play great defense but i can't put you on my list bro you shoot what 32% or 33% from 3 which is not terrible considering the type of archetype player that he is but shooting sub 40% it's it's just

too bad it's too bad yeah he didn't have a good shooting year but i think he's a good defender he's a linebacker like that's what he is yeah yeah i think him and clark's like the same type of guy one's really effective on defense but work this on offense and then vice versa so i put them next to each other they're both one way players yeah one way players exactly that's exactly bro and there's value in that but for me it's not good enough to be on my list bro it's not what I value so

at 26 I had Jordan Clarkson at 25 you see bed in a mathering at 24 you see Josh Hart at 23 he's a small Ford yeah him and Bruce Brown are both small forwards what is RJ Barrett then

RJ RJ is a two RJ's a two three as well they're both threes No, they'll be playing RJ Oh, see, man They're both on my small forward list What does 2K label them as? That's the end-all be all

I had I had both RJ was a two for me Heart and Brown Were also twos for me Bruce Brown's definitely a three Yeah What?

Bro, I'm going by height in my mind You can't psych me out with this, bro God man It doesn't matter We're gonna go Yeah, all right 21 I have Bruce Listen, once we get into the top, like, 15, everybody's going to be a too legit.

Like, this is, we told you all from the jump. This is a very, very small pool of shooting guards in the NBA. Like, this is, this is it. It's not a lot of, not a lot of good stuff to pick from. So, yeah, I can always. If I had Bruce Brown and Josh Hart on my list, they'd be this high as well. I agree. Yeah.

I can already see and feel the watch time just dwindling because the players are talking about right now. But it's okay. So at 21, Bruce Brown, 22, KCP, 23, Josh Hart, 24, Benedict and Matherin, 25, Jordan Clarkson. Anything that you guys have against my list whatsoever, Josh Hart. Benedict is way too high. Benedict is way too high. Yeah. Your vision of November Benedict is this high.

But after that, he stopped playing like Superman, and he was very much a rookie. Yeah. But I don't think he was better at basketball than Jordan Clarkson last year. Ah, yeah, that's very, very true. I was just thinking about how godly he was earlier in the season. The first, what, 12 games? I keep on saying this is all like 45% of three legit, bro. It was insane.

Yeah, he was not missing. He was remarkable. And he looked like a legit cornerstone piece next to Tyrese Halliburton. He just looked like that, that dude, point blank period. And so that definitely carried the momentum for me. But outside of that, I don't really have any real issues. with my list at all. I hate how low I put Bruce Brown,

but the reality of it is like, with the guys I had ahead of him, he's not better than straight up. I would have him high, but like I said, he's gonna be on my small forward list and he'll definitely be top 30. So I respect it.

All right, let's get into my five. I'm not gonna lie. This, I think this is the nastiest five, five players stretch of my list. So here we go. Nasty is like you're unsure of the rankings? Arte Barrett. Great. At 25, I have RJ Barrett. At 24, I have Lou Dort. Twenty-three, I have Jordan Clarkson.

22, I have Kavana Herder. And 21, I have Josh Hart. Wow, you put Kevin Herder there. Shout out to you. I ain't want to do that shit. I'm having someone. I like, I like Kavon a lot. I have Kevin Herder higher. Ooh. That's good. Listen, Kavon is good, man. He's nice. He's really, really good. And the stuff that he was doing off ball for Sacramento, like the two-man game that him and De Bonas were working all season long, like, that opened up a lot of stuff for them. And it really, really, like, it really helped power their offense. So I think that he, like, fit into his role a lot. He was really clutch last year as well.

Like, he was knocking down some big-time shot. So I like Kavana at 22. Yeah, I think Josh Hart is like, I love Josh Hart. He's just, he's just the ultimate. role player, he's so, just such a great connector on whatever team he goes for. I think they're, the one where I'm like, okay, like, this is this is propaganda 100% is obviously the RJ Barrett stuff, but like, I actually think RJ Barrett's, if you're including him on this list, that's a little bit low. I don't think Lou Doors better than

RJ Barrett. I think the stuff that RJ had, listen, if you had asked me pre-cap, not even pre-Camp series, pre like game three of the Cavs series RJ wouldn't have been on my list where he showed me in the second where he showed me in the second half of that series and even going into the Miami series was kind of the steps forward I think his inconsistency

in his role is what drops him for me like Lou you you like he's not fantastic but you know what you're going to get out of a new door I think that that like that stabilizing effect really really helps out so that's one of the main reasons why I put him over RJ

okay yeah it's it's so hard because I counted Josh Hart and RJ Barrett on the small forward list I honestly kind of just went off with basketball reference positions for the most part

and like where the most of their minutes were and I think they were both technically small forwards because like Grimes so they're starting shooting guard and a lot of times quickly played shooting guard as well

so it's hard for me to think about it because I didn't include on the list at all but if you weren't include them I like that Josh Hart should be higher than RJ Barrett I'm cool with that I was going off of basketball

reference stuff and I was also going off I'll put 2K 2K Back same Dude I was looking at that 2K is horrible I try that too

There's positions Make no sense Dude that's why I literally forget about players All the time Because fucking 2K In their broke ass system Don't know how to fucking

Look at any NBA Actual stats Or positions Or look at where players Played most of the minutes at Like you did Isaac They don't do anything bro So I literally had to go back

And do the groundwork by myself You should be disgusted With yourself 2K I shouldn't be able to do it I shouldn't have to do any of that work but this is a nice list honestly my only thing is that i didn't want to put kevin her there because like when the lights were the absolute brightest in the playoffs he was a nincom in the three-point contest he was a nincompoop he didn't do shit yes oh so kevin's not your top 30

no he he he didn't make it oh that's him on now come what did you see how i have him hold i'm gonna go to my next part of my list he's not better than any of the players guaranteed that I have above him. Oh, you're triven. All right, let's see. Let's go list for this. You have Kevin Porter Jr. You'd rather have Kevin Porter than Kevin Herder.

Are you out of your mind? Listen. If the vibes. Malik Monk is his backup. My legs are trembling right now. Did you see what Malik Monk did in the playoffs? What did Kevin Herter do in the playoffs? Start over him for the whole year because his coaches know he's better?

In the playoffs, I said. Great. If you're going off a fucking six game sample size, before they got eliminated Exactly When the likes He's I don't like

This is just me Being a little bit overly emotional Because in the three point Contest I was hype I was lit I wanted to I thought he was gonna

You was gambling You was gambling That's what happened You put all your money On Cobon Herder To win that three point contest And you lost Bro had a prize six parley

Unbelievable Let's go my next five Please At 20, I have Jalen Green, 19 Devon of a cell, 18 Norm Powell, 17 J-dub, and 16 Kavon Herder. Okay. This is a hard five to rank. Jalen was inefficient as hell, not a very impactful player at all. But he's going to be a lot better this year with an organized offense around him.

His crazy talent is just had to do too much of the ball in his hands with, like I said, no organization because Stephen Silas was a money laundering. and not as serious person as a coach. But he can't be that high because he was a shot chucker who made very few of his shots. So, like, Norm Powell is, like, a fraction of the ceiling, but he's an objectively far better player

at this moment. So I had to give him a little bit of a nod. What do you think about the rest of this? Oh, man, Zaylon green that low, like I understand every single thing that you're saying he didn't improve on really anything since his rookie year, other than just, like, getting more burn

and getting more shots up at all. The style of basketball out of his playing was gross. He's very gross. I'm giving him a lot of band for the doubt. Honestly, he should be like 30 if we're going off last year alone. Wow, man. That's, I know. Just last year, he was not a positive player in any way last year.

That still seems low. I have him, I have him higher on my list. I think I have him much higher than team. But, I mean, outside of that, I don't. I don't hate your list. You actually reminded me of a player. I forgot to put Norm Power on my list. So.

Yeah. So Norm is going to. Huh? He's forgettable. Vex. Listen. So let me put Norman there and then we can go to my next spot. But yeah, I don't think this is a bad.

I was honestly kind of surprised though about Jaylon Williams. I thought that you would have him a little bit higher than, at least higher than Kevin Herder. Something that I will say. well yeah on to that like i yeah i'm surprised that you don't have jane william williams ahead of kevin herder i think he's a better player in a lot of aspects already even though it's his rookie year no this is disgusting yeah this is disgusting yeah i got hacked when is the date on this it's 2020 please 2020 February 2020

I knew it This was before the world got shut down This was like I got hacked I got hacked All right Listen If you go back to that date

And see what Kevin Herder did See what Milkman Milkman Can you Nicko Can you please pull up Kevin Herder's box

Can you pull up his stat line On that day Can you go to his game logs And see this exactly The stat line won't do it justice You have to look at the highlights along with that And then you'll understand Donovan, can you join me, Donovan

In a synchronized milkman chant Yeah, let's do it Milkman Milk man, milkman Oh, it's so out of sync Bro, this sounds gross Milkman There was a penny to paper bag in my head, bro

See? Yeah, back to the topic conversation J-Dub will be a lot higher He was a rookie his outside shooting wasn't super consistent his defense was good he was like solid for a rookie but he's not like a super impactful defender

and I think what Kevin Harder brings to the offense like you said as a movement shooter without the ball in his hands a good off the dribble shooter catch and shoot obviously I think his offensive impact outweighs Jaylon Williams

even though Jalen can do more creation with the ball in his hands right now but I'm just going off last year I just going off last year I think Herder is a more impactful offensive player and the defense is kind of eh it's got it's pretty even but J-Dub's gonna fly out the list

like pretty fucking fast it's just like jadub had a really strong second half of the season yeah but that's a small sample size to compare it totality of what kevin heard did all year yeah exactly yeah i think that when it comes to jub and just how nice of a third ball handler that he was off the rip and i think he was a little bit better defender than you're giving him credit for is i think he was a good defender a little bit more yeah and i maybe he's a little bit better than i think in my head but no I think, I think I'm factoring that, the creation, and then also just how hot he was catching at the perfect time towards the end of the season as well. They really, he was a big part of them making, making their strides and being in the playing alongside Shagos, Alexander, you know, they're really strapped offensively. And without him, I don't think they, I don't think they make that, that run.

And so, okay, so quick pause, quick pause. What do you guys see? We're laughing because, okay, so the box score, the stat line that Kevin Herder had that made Mo literally nut everywhere was, okay, listen, listen. It was 21.10 assist, five rebounds. He shot 50% from the field, from three. He shot 53% from the field overall, no blocks, two steals, three fouls, two turnovers. I mean, that's a peak, Kevin Hurter.

That's a pretty good game. 20 and 10 that's pretty nice I'm not going to lie Listen if you're a bro if you're a Hawks fan But they lost Can you be quiet please God God you make me look so bad

The number one thing He would say as a Hawks fan is like yo I wish Kevin would be They were sucking And then this game He turned into Kevin All right and he was really giving it They only won four games

In that whole month of February Oh my gosh my god that's embarrassing that was that this three five because you imagine being a hawks fan they went four and eleven during the month of february damn that's embarrassing no matter you had to fucking get off to kevin herders 10 assists you had nothing else going for you i'm going to drop my next list and we'll just keep we'll just keep this moving right so at 20 i have norman powell and 19 i have bruce brown 18 i have jordan pool 17, I have Devon Visell, and 16, I have Austin Rees.

Okay. That is my next five. So do you have Jalen Green in the top 15? Yes, I think he's, I think he's in the upper half of the league in terms of Yeah. Did you watch Rockets games last year? Not a lot. Why would we?

I did. Oh, bro, he is not good right now. I did. That's crazy to me. Like him over Vassell, over, that fascinates me. Yeah, over Vassel is crazy. But I did that. too, I ain't going to lie too.

And Jordan pool this high? Pro pool party. Yeah, I think this list kind of might be nasty. 18, that's slightly below average. That's like... Yeah, he just wasn't good last year, like, by any measurable unit. I just think...

So, like, right now, I think that the upside with pool, and you're going to see the upside in a lot of, like, the upper half of the league. But, like, with pool, with pool, even with Jalen, with Jalen, and with Jalen Williams both of them like their their upsides are factoring a lot here um but with with pool he was kind of that line and what i was trying to judge this stuff on was okay if if this guy is going to be like your number one score are you going to be a money laundering team or are you

like if this player is your is your guy are you going to be a money laundering team or are you going to actually like, you know, like kind of see the vision. And so everybody else, like, if you're below Jordan Poole and you are the number one option, right, pseudo type thing, you're on an unserious basketball team. I think everybody else above him, if they're the number one guy, like, you can kind of get away with it. And I think that Vassel over Jordan, Vesel still over Jordan Poole, right? Like, I still have him, he's still better than him. I think Austin Reeves showed last year that he's like, that he can hoop for real. but yeah I think I

yeah tell me more tell me more about what you think about my list because I'm very curious I think I mean I think Bruce Brown was so much better than Jordan Poole last year in terms of just like overall impact last year like they're both role players and I think there's a reason one was a key part

of a championship team and was in closing lineups and one was unplayable like Jordan Poole at this current point cannot contribute to winning or didn't last year We saw him do it the year before, so maybe I shouldn't say cannot. But in their most recent sample size of 82 games plus a playoff run, objectively not good. Guess what? That is 100% fair.

They are right next to each other. Nikiel, can you flip Jordan Pool? He folded like an omelet. Holy shit. He didn't even consider anything. Okay with that. That's perfectly hard. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, this general tier I don't have an issue with. I have, the biggest issue I have is eluding to what we're going to see in the future of Shailen Green being higher than Austin Reeves at this moment Like my biggest issue is to come But other than that I don't have a huge problem with any of this Yeah Yeah

Yeah I can I can agree to that But I'm gonna go ahead and send in my list Because I feel like there's someone who I haven't seen on you guys's list And I'm starting to think Did you guys have this higher or what Terry Rose year I have him higher He's higher

Woo Okay He's coming I'm gonna get nasty on this podcast Yeah, so, all right. So at 16, I have it's Devon Vassel, 17, Janlon Williams, 18 Teru's year, 19, Norman Powell, and 20. Oh, man, I have Austin Reese. That feels a little bit low now that I say that.

But, yeah, but like I said here, I don't think any of these players, I don't think Kevin Hurder is better than any of these players that I just listed. Devon Vassel, this man is from Swanee, Georgia. literally 10 minutes away from my home back in Atlanta or back in Duluth He is a fine prospect I wanted him so bad back in the year 2020 I wanted him on the Hawks He would have been a terrific fit alongside Trey Young

And I think that he has been easily One of the most underrated players Because no one gives a damn about the San Antonio Spurs Or at least they didn't until Victor Mignama Was drafted to that team So he has developed in every way that you'd want him to and he's one of the very few core pieces that you can be like wow they got some right there next to a victor and so he is this high and this is for those reasons janeland williams i

think that he was so impactful and so important to the stretch of the oklahoma city thunder on all aspects on the court relying that much on a rookie who wasn't drafted at that high or stupidly high is insane and for him to come through he's a little bit older a rookie i think he's saying hogs for two three years or whatever so i mean like regards to the fact it's still very impressive because none of those expectations were placed on him and he just kind of blossomed on nowhere and he had a great level of consistency and showed uptick when rookies tend to do the complete opposite look at the guys drafted ahead of them i k the first and one of the all out of the first few picks they most rookies just in general they have uh they hit that rookie wall and

it seemed like jeline williams didn't really hit that especially towards the end of the season when they needed him the most um terry rousier bro his handle is crazy he makes cool music he's on a delinquent team so i'm waiting for something crazy to come out with him wait do you listen do you listen to terry rosier's music you said he has a good music are you bumping that no bro i heard i heard it back when he was uh i'm not going to name the name the other player but i heard his i heard a couple bars and i was like i he kind of got some shit in his bag i like that plus his handle is disgusting So, and then I have Norman Powell. I don't want to get too much into that.

But it doesn't feel right having Austin Reeves this low because he was just so damn good too. But I can't say confidently. I can say confident. I can say confident he might be better than a normal pal, but I don't want to say that about Terry, Jalen William. Maybe, uh, maybe I have Jaylon Williams a little bit too high. See, I'm already having issues with my list, but let me ask you guys.

If the Hornets offered the Lakers one for one, Terry, for Austin Reeves, do you think they would take it? Because the money and age, no. it doesn't make any sense okay let's say let's say just all things be equal for their team to winning do you think they would rather have terrier than austin ruse i think that they probably would i think that they probably would because he's i don't want to say hard no hard no is crazy if he's that higher on your list you shouldn't say hard no you should not say hard no if he's the higher list uh sir have you seen awesome reams in my list yet

he's also pretty high I wonder how much higher they better be in the same tier you already see it yeah sure unveil at number 15 out of terrier 14 Tyler hero

13 Austin Reeves 12 Anthony Simons and 11 Josh Giddy I don't have Anthony Simons on my list because I put him in the point guard like on my last list I have to stay true to it pain okay how do y'all feel the hardest one for me is Simons

versus Reeves I put Simon's higher just because I think he's kind of being held back by having to be a shooting guard right now But I think he's a better player. He just is stuck playing next to dame when he really should be a point guard to be unleashed and let himself be this full off the dribble creator who can attack him three levels So I give him benefit of the doubt because I think he can be a lot better But I think all these names are pretty close Yeah, I'm cool I'm cool with that yeah, I'm cool I think Simon's just is straight up my BD But I just think simons is straight up is more talented over Reeves so I think that's just fair how do you feel about Tyler Hero versus Reeves

I would take Tyler Hero I think defense is why I picked Reeves and that's that's fair I think Tyler Hero has a little bit more upside offensively that can kind of like offset that and I think that his his off ball movement is a little bit like more intriguing to me then yeah that's good then uh then the you know the stuff that the ruse can do and so i that's why i would pick tyler but i mean if you have reeves the way he performed in the playoffs last year i would i wouldn't be upset and we've seen in back-to-back postseason's durability be an issue for tyler hero and so i'm i'm cool i'm cool with that i think tyler hero's an interesting player he's a very good shot maker like you said it's off the move off off ball shooting is really

impressive. He can play with the ball in his hands as a secondary creator or play off of stars like we see next to Jimmy Butler and do that effectively. But he's an outright bad defender, negative impact. And he's not a particularly good passer. So from him, you're getting 20 points on pretty good efficiency. Not going to make anybody better with the ball in his hands. Not going to get stops for you, impact your defense in a positive way. And I feel like Austin Reeves does all that. He's an above average defender who isn't going to be your number one like wing stopper, but you put him on the opposing team shooting guard. He's going to do an effective job. He's not going to get lost on screens. He's not going to give up backdoor

cuts. He's very disciplined. Actually, good passer. It doesn't get to show it off a ton because he's playing with LeBron, Daniel Russell, all these other ball handlers. But if you see him, he makes really impressive cross-court skit passes. And obviously he's a good score who can draw a lot of fouls and have a high floor because he's good at playing alongside stars and can know how to manufacture of points in ways that are helpful, despite not being like the most dynamic creator with the ball in his hands. I just think he's more impactful in basically every asset game yeah i can i can agree to that i think both of these players too are in a great situation and their teams are only asking them to do more so like tyler hero like exactly what they're good at

and i feel like austin reese has been thrown on thrown into the fire a little bit more and he's shown all these other micro tools and skill sets that tyler hero just has never been able to show that is in his bag whatsoever so i can agree to that although I think for some reason maybe I may be tripping but I feel like the ceiling just feels higher with Tyler he's younger and I'm also applying this into my list as well kind of like Donovan um the ceiling is just a little bit higher soon because of age and like we haven't seen him have an opportunity to get real up or more opportunity with his ball with the balls in his hands with the ball on his hand and so I'm not I'm not mad at though I like it like it like it. makes completely sense and I'm not going to die on a hill because as of right now like today if I have to win a game I'm taking Austin Reeves on my team like 10 out of 10 but I'm projecting I think that's what we're judging so yeah I think that's the exact measurement we should be using is who would rather have on your team to impact winning and I think the only

reason anybody would say Tyler Hero is just biased to shot making because everybody likes that type of style of play yeah but I mean like every I think I've had you know you need shots to go in I think I think Tyler Hero is a he has the ability to knock down shots. And so it's like, it's the same thing just on a higher level with what we're talking about with Buddy Hill where it's like, yeah, like all the other stuff may not be there, but listen, he can really, really shoot.

And so he can get buckets. So it doesn't matter if they're going to score on every play, though. They're rooting your defense. It doesn't matter if they're going to take your defense, though, and get scored on every play. Like, that side of the ball is equally as important. I understand. But the ability for Hero,

I just think that he has another level that he can go to offensively that can kind of offset the other stuff where Reeves Reeves is going to have to be good on both ends for him to match Hero like at Hero's best

I don't think Hero is that much better offensively than Reeves Reeves is all he's like a 17 point for game scored in the second half the season after the trade of Russ while being a better passer I don't think it's that big of a difference I don't think Tyler Heroes out here

dropping 30 bombs every night I don't know I want to give I mean the chance I want to give Tyler Hero the benefit the doubt because the opportunity just isn't there i want to give him the i want to give him the benefit of doubt because i haven't seen what he looks like with the ball fully in his hands is the keys there it's crazy lebron and you know like all those who's fully trust austerees like that and tyler's still

on the bench fighting for his life you know and so um why do you think that's the case because he can't do it i think structurally they if he was anywhere outside of miami he would be starting right now and he wouldn't be better like just there's a reason it's like the buddy hill thing there's a reason smart coaches don't want to start them because they're not as valuable they're not impactful they hurt your defense too much that we warranted getting high minutes he also has Kyle Lowry they had Kyle Lowry so they're like listen we can't have both so it's like they started game vizant over Kyle Lowry they started the undrafted guy yeah listen listen Tyler hero needs a shot I just need to probably be hating yeah that's I don't

That's wild. And instead of, like, I see, I see the logic, but I'm fully not adapting to that logic until, like, the real, until the real is actually proven. Like, trade him to Brooklyn, put him in whatever situation, and I want to see him with the ball on his hand. And if he doesn't, if a player, if a player's playing for a really good smart team and can't get on the court and be impactful, and you say, put him on a bad team, that's not trying to win games at a high level and he'll be good. yeah duh that's why jordan pool couldn't play for the warriors we can play for the wizards because anybody can go out there when there's no pressure no stakes and put up numbers where they're not impactful to winning it's irrelevant no well i think you can be i think you can be impactful to winning to a certain degree but i can use like mccall bridges for example you know

like of course he's impactful to winning and all that but there was a certain ceiling to what he would be over there in phoenix this conversation is taking way too long dude and i don't like i'm talking about tyler hero like i'm the number one fan i don't like i'm insane tyler heroes not being held back by the he he just i don't think he's being held back at all i don't think he's being held back but i don't want to say this this is who he is without like him fully being thrown into the fire that's it i don't feel comfortable i don't feel comfortable i don't i want to send i want to get out i was a long conversation for no reason god i hate myself he's no he's not he's a polarizing player it's worse that's why we have

these conversations he's a hard player to rank because he's very divisive like you see like i think he's worth talking about all right i'm going to get out ahead of this before we even continue yeah please i want to know that the next like seven people seven to eight people that i rattle off can all be interchangeable don't get out of the number okay they're all in the exact same tier don't be like oh my god you have this guy here don't worry about that okay don't worry about that i think they're all here like in the same thing okay no difference it's just a matter of what your team needs if you're shopping you say i'm making this let me get this ingredient let me get that ingredient that's it i love how you know you're gonna piss me off like it's like you're

talking to me not mo you know you're gonna piss me i'm talking to i'm talking to mo too i'm talking to but here's but here's where we are take that caveat and this is this is my next okay so at 15 i have KCP, 14, I have Jalen Williams, 13, I have Jalen Green, 12, I have Anthony Simons, 11, I have C.J. McCullough. Again, don't get caught up on the number. We're just talking about tears here, okay?

We're just talking about groups of players that are like, yeah, like you guys are kind of around the same range, right? Like, that's kind of where we're at. I truly don't think, I truly, and I really do think that with the shooting guards, there's like five or six,

that are really, really good and then you get to a tier when it's a whole lot of mid. It's a whole lot of like, yo, like you're not fantastic. Like, you're not great, but you're also not trash and you're like above average.

That's exactly where we are right now. So for 15, I put KCP there. I think he's right there like at the average line. I think the fact to me that he contributed for the Lakers and for the Nuggets coming off that win. Like I think he's, He's a little bit better than Bruce Brown. So that's why I have him at 15th.

Both of the Jaylins, I said earlier, the upside was going to come in very, very heavily. And I'm very high on both of them. And I think that for Jaylin, like, his scoring ability is, it's there. It's there. And I think that just because they've had, you know, the whole circus that's been, you know, the Houston Rockets coaching staff,

Like that's been a negative I don't want to hold that against him Or even Jalen Williams being a rookie Because the second half of the season was Fantastic like for like Like think about how good Palo Bancaro was In the first half of the year and everybody By the second week of the season was like

Oh yeah Palo has this locked up And Jalen because of his second half of the season Really like made that like low key a conversation And and he was in a position to where he actually got votes And I think that that like means a lot And going into next year that that's there Simons Simon's is cool

And he's interesting He's cool and he's interesting Nice He is because he's in like an interesting position with Dame And Isaac had said it earlier Like he probably should be playing point And should be a little bit more on ball

But you have the third best point guard In the league next to you So how are you there The first half of the season Even when Portland was clicking Simons was still playing well And I think that there's been those points last season Where he showed that he can be a contributor to winning basketball

And then he could also be the guy Where hey if your team sucks He can go out there and give you 35 Like he's right there in that like spectrum And then CJ Point guard shooting guard He's just a solid vet Like he can get you 22 every single night

In his sleep And I think that that's valuable That's valuable to be a good score Yeah I think CJ's low I didn't think he'd be outside of him, but he's top 10. That's interesting to me. Well, I think the main reason why he's outside of top 10 is because it was kind of like he was also playing point last year.

And so it's kind of like a little bit back and forth. So that's why I put him at 11. But again, from here to a couple picks higher, we can move him anywhere. Yeah. So let me think about this tier. Let me think about these tiers then. I think just going off last year, Simons is clearly in another tier than Jalen Green, I think. Okay.

And like you said, it's interesting, I'm not mad at the KCP pick being higher. He's higher than I had him, but I'll never be upset. You know what I'll never be upset if someone you're putting a high-level role player who contributes to winning up high. I'm cool with that. He's kind of like the second coming of Danny Green that way, who Danny Green was always really high in a shooting guard list because he's like the perfect role player. You're a guy.

My guy. Danny Green was a better defender than KCP, but same type of archetype. So I'm cool with that. I just, you know how I feel Jayne and Green should not beat this high. But if you guys are in the, if you guys think his upside, is worth ignoring how fucking awful he was last year. I can't be mad at it. I'm cool with everything else.

Yeah. I feel like when it comes, I don't know, we obviously, it's clear as day to all the viewers. We have different standards and different explanations as to why we put these players

where we put them. And we just like, we just have all different, what's the word I'm looking for? My mind is making right now. Qualifications. We value different things. That's why we do this.

So that's why it's a fun thought experiment to see how different people view the game. Yeah, exactly. And so one thing, one random tangent I'm going to go on, go on is like, I am happy that you put KCP that high because I feel like, I don't know, sometimes I feel like he doesn't get as much credit as he deserves. I remember back early when he was a Laker, people used to fucking hate him because he was deserved, deservedly so ass. They were calling that man, Casey prison because he had an ankle monitor for some stuff he did back in the day or whatever. That wasn't real. that was that was fake news really yeah it's a photoshop no way i thought he i thought he actually had an ankle monitor he was like he actually he actually had the legal problems but he was not

wearing an ankle monitor on the court that was a photo shot wow bro that was i got sacked that's crazy dude i literally thought that was real to this day thanks for i choose i know that it's fake i choose to believe it and i choose to believe that it's rude just because it's it's funny so like i'm telling that story in 20 years like k i'm kind of sad I'm kind of sad that I ruined her for you. I wish I would have let you go the rest of your like thinking it was real. I'm sorry. Did you tell your little brother that Santa wasn't real?

No, he knew. That's a very real household. I knew when I was like nine. I think he did too. Oh man, no, you ruined your line. All right. But at 15, I have Jalen Green. At 14, got Ty O'Hero, 13.

I got Josh Giddy. 12, Tyrese Maxie, and out of 11, just like you, I think, Donovan. Yeah, I have Sejan McComb. And so, there you go. I'm interested. I'm so interested in your guys, his top 10. Yeah. I mean, like, for Sejum McColl, it didn't feel right, leaving him out.

But because of probably nine times of 10, our positions aren't 100% matchy or whatever, just natural because that's how it is in the NBA these days. So I wanted to say he was top 10, but he's not. I don't think he's better than the guys I have above him. Tyrese, I think he potentially could be higher. I think there's a ceiling on him, but with what he's been given, he's been elite at his role, and he's met every expectation that all Sixers fans should have put on him. As for Josh Giddy, he could be maybe, actually, I think he's just right on my list.

He surpassed almost all expectations I put on him. I thought he was going to be trash. I know all y'all saw that super viral basketball analysis. clip or screen of I think it was intellect he basically wasn't was not athletic couldn't dribble couldn't shoot not a good defender and he was just not good at basketball I was definitely I wouldn't say a Josh Gidey hater but I was not I didn't see the upside of the value but he proved me wrong by just affecting every single aspect of the game and being so pivotal to their offense in a unique way and so had to give him kudos tire heroes over there on my list

at 14 um i'm not going to talk about him again and janin green sadly at 15 so yeah i wish i could put him higher but i was just imagining someone disgusting plays when i would watch the houston rogkins for five minutes and i'm like yeah i can't do that so just just tough scene for him yeah interesting i'm cool with your list i definitely am taking cj over maxi so i'm glad you did that i am sure donovan did i know don't know don't know you put him on your point guard listen to you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll put them in last. I feel like, yeah, I don't have an issue with any of your top 15 besides the Jalen Green thing we were you talked about. I just, I'm trying to think about who's in your guys is the top tens. I feel like there's a lot of people that I probably put a small forward or point guard. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Did you guys go to Jeanette or something? No. Okay. I feel like there's situations like that where I didn't put them because I'm like, how is there 10 people better than CJ in my column still? Like, I know. So we must have a lot of position differences here. Definitely. We do. definitely we do. That's, that's, that's only, that's only, that makes sense. So, okay, so go ahead. Let's, yeah, let's go to the top 10. At 10, I have Tyrese Maxie. Okay. Nine, I have Clay Thompson.

Eight, C.J. McCollum, seven Desmond Bain and six Bradley Biel. I don't feel good about Beale and Bain. I want, I almost, I almost want to pick Bain, but it feels like being dramatic and being too dirty, like Bradley Biel's nice as fuck. Like, there's a reason teams are trying, the sons try to trade for him even though it's not a good fit because they know the talent is outrageous. I think he just looked unimpressive the past a couple years because he just took less shots to try to be more a playmaker because he clearly saw scoring 30 wasn't

doing shit for him. So I still think Beal's really good, but I had a hard time ranking him. Nice. How do you feel about the rest of it? I like it. I like it. I'm cool. I'm cool with it. Yeah, I think this is perfectly fine. I'm interested in here. We all rank Clay. Where y'all rank Clay? Because Clay is hard to rank

right now. claims i had them in the exact same spot as you ironically enough same same area okay yeah i don't yeah i don't hold on wait real quick before we before we do this i'm gonna send it i'm gonna send in the next this is like the top or not the top but this is the end of like the tier and then we're going to get into like the stuff so i'm only sending three names so this is 10 9 and 8 again Okay, God, bro. Man's breaking the rules. 55 and 6.

6 and 7. Clay at 10, Josh Gitty at 9, Hero at 8. Whoa. Josh Gitty at 9. Hero at 8. You're the real milk man. You are the milkman.

Very fluid. Oh, that, bro, you've hated on Tyler Hero so much, and now you have him at 8? Wow. I think, I think I like Tyler Hero. in the situation of like I got to think I got to think of man

I got to think Hey mo mo mo milk man milk man milk man milk man you're the real milk man what the hell you've been exposed this is one person

this is not a pattern it's two people yeah Joshsky's way too high he's Australian though but he's he's a spicy this is a this is a light bright tier it's crazy

no it really is it really is a light bright tear but oh man again if you want to drop hero down to 15 I'm cool okay you're not hurting my feelings and guess what the moment you drop him down to 15

trash he's trash it's okay we can do that I just I really think that these guys are all very very interchangeable and I could not I broke the rules on this so much but I just could not differentiate them enough to really

like have their ranking be a legitimate like you know standing for where they were in the league but yeah so that's 10 that's 10 9 and 8 for me I'll take all to say that but all I know is the comments are going to see Talley Hero 8 C.J McCollum 11 and let you the fuck up it's okay it's okay as you said okay context so I was able to differentiate this. I don't stand on any of this.

So something immediately that stands out on my list is that DeMarter Rosen's here and he was definitely listed as a small Ford. But in my mind, I'm just like, bro, like, when DeMarter Rosen retires, he's being remembered as a shooting guard. I don't care what way anybody puts it. He is a shooting guard. One of the greatest shooting guards in Toronto Raptors history. Anyway, so at number 10, I have Demard Rosen.

Nine, just like you, Isaac. I have Clay. at eight I have Desmond Bain at seven I have Zach Levine and at six I think just like you again Isaac I have Bradley Biel so Beale is just straight up like as good as Zach Levine and Desmond Bain has been over the last few years Bradley Biel people just like to treat him and act like he's a bum I think that like obviously no one's sitting here and watching the Washington Wizards on a consistent basis because they have no real motion like bro they're just why would you watch them, you know?

And so I like watching Kyle Kuzma, so I watched them a lot last year. You're a Kyle Kuzma fan, which is gross. And I have serious concerns and I have serious questions about your character, but we will handle that after the pod. You're the last kid. What can I say? So, yeah, Bradley Biel, he is, he is legit good. And a lot of people just act like he's just a bum or just doesn't exist.

And he's very much a really complete two-guard, one of the more complete two guards, I would say. So then there's Zach Levine I feel very comfortable Putting him ahead of Desmond Vain For now I think Desmond Vain is coming But he's just not there just yet And I think Zach Levine was better or less Okay

I can't do shit on the spot I literally can't do shit First was retention Now it's being released Jesus Anyways There's play He just straight up was not better than Desmond Vain Zach Gleana Reveal and then there's DeMarterosen for like obvious reasons he's DeMarterosan good player but I

in no circumstance I'm not taking him over all those guys above him so anything that stands out to you guys yeah I mean yeah you purposely broke the rules you know Derrosins are three you put him with the two is what it is damn I'm a rule breaker don't care oh shit we got a rebel podcast I'm a bad boy I'm a rebel don't put him in a box If you're putting DeRosen on this list, I think he's definitely better than Clay at this current moment. So if we're counting DeRosen,

I'm putting him a few spots higher. Like, I'm not sure Zach Levine's better than DeRosen. I might really 100%. I don't, I think I'd rather have DeRosen. I would also rather have DeRosen than Zach McVee.

So if you're breaking the rules, I would have broken, broke him, and I would have put him like six or five. But other than that, the rest of it's cool. I don't know. I'm just a big spacing.

Send your top five, man. Yeah. All right. Okay. My top five. Number five, I have Zach Levine. Number four, I have Anthony Edwards, three Jalen Brown, two Donovan Mitchell, one Devin Booker.

I think this is almost like, so five can be interchangeable. Zach Levine could like drop and you can put Biel up. I'll get that. But top four I think are like set in stone. Yes, the top four are set in stone. And I like this list. I'm cool with it.

No, no, no major books. My only thing is I definitely think Ant Mayn has surpassed Jalen Brown. I don't think it's clear as day to anybody's eyes unless you like really look into things he's a better ball handler shooter um defense like pretty up in the air jalen brown's that and and an ant man when he locks down he's like good so it's pretty up in the air but um anthony a Edwards gets the rim better for obvious reasons a better shooter has a better touch around the rim and i think he's just an overall better player when it comes to other aspects as well so that's one great but it's not like you had them like

you know what i'm saying yeah i would agree i think i want to put ant higher like i'm taking aunt 10 times out of 10, but that's more projection for next year, because I think in the playoffs here, so I'm going to take that leap and going forward to next year, we can see that for 82 games. But I gave Jim and Brown the credit for being all NBA and being a great player this year. He had a career season before the team fell apart in the playoffs. But I'm not mad at that. Next year, I'll definitely, like, if we did this in October, I would definitely pick at man. Yeah. Now, for people looking at this tweet, this was in January, 22, okay, this was before the Jalen Brown

no left allegations were there or were like super present but it wasn't as like it wasn't as poignant as it is now to everyone like it's not a running me many it wasn't a running meme at the time um damn it was one of them days that day

just two days prior look look look it was one of the days look you ever just have a random shooting a random moment where you just forget how the fuck to shoot like you just lose all muscle memory at 8 a.m? Bro, yes.

Or at 9 a.m.? Yeah, no food in your stomach, no breakfast, here, it is out there. Yeah, I know. It was one of them times. I was in that zone. But, um, back to the topic in hand.

I love that you have Devin Booker at one. I hated the conversation. That was all ongoing back. for it was understandable back in the day a couple years ago, but I've always felt like Devin Booker has been better at basketball every single day that he's been alive than Donovan Mitchell.

Situations were completely different. Donovan Mitchell was blessed to have a team that knew exactly what they're doing, and I think I'm a big proponent in this. I feel like I've been saying this like once every third podcast or whatever, but the outcome

NBA players careers are very situational and Devin Booker was just in the slums of the slums. And so it took time for people to really realize how great he was. And now he's shining and thriving is undeniably the best shooting guard in the NBA. And Donald Mitchell, nothing wrong with being two. It's not bad at all. But he's just not better than not been.

He's just not better than Devin Bucker. Jalen Brown at three, whatever. A man, cool. Exactly being cool. Your list is dope. I like it. It's not bad. Yes.

All right. Send yours in. All right. Here is my final list. Did you include Paul George? No, no, I included Hardin because in my last one, I put, I didn't, I didn't include Hardin as a point. Oh. So I have to be consistent, you know.

Okay. So I have Booker won D. Mitch to Anthony Edwards. He was better in the playoffs as well as Janet Brown. Now, Anthony Orates, he did, you know, play five games only against the Denver Nuggets. But in Bruce Brown's podcast, or he was a guest podcast, he said that aunt gave him fucking problems and you didn't know what the fuck to do against him. so and also looking and Bruce Brad said it put him at one yeah

just look in more into the numbers I think as people conform into the idea of Anthony Edwards and him being the franchise guy and officially like passing the torch completely and not even having to think of him and cat or cat being the potential

number one like I think we'll all realize that Anthony Edwards is probably one of the three best shooting guards in the NBA I just realized that now uh General Brown was at jalen brown i four and hardin like i said like i put him in my point guards list i didn't put him in my point guards this bro so he has to be here um so yeah okay yeah i don't have a problem with that if hardin was on my list i guess he'd probably be around here i can't yeah i'd probably

have him above him and zacklevin would be a conversation so i think zacklevin had a really strong second half of the year last year kind of started to look like himself again but yeah i'm i'm not cool with everything about that i have no issue with anthony edwards over jaylon brown honestly i'm kind of a jalen brown hater at this point i was just giving him the respect that i felt like he deserved just to do it but like I'd rather have Anthony Edwards easily so I'm cool with that yeah I'm happy with Brianna he was generally better he was generally better it's just like that 27 or 26 points per game plus you know the all-embaing odd just move people blindly and I think when you really dive into it and put context into situation and look at the numbers behind that

and also what actually they did due to the like shitty situation in my mind that anything Edwards is put in, I think he's a better player. And if you put him on the Boston Celtics, we're having a completely different, maybe not a completely different conversation right now, but we're having a different conversation about the Celtics. I don't think he's that simple, though. It's not just like, all the NBA, oh, he's better. Like, he deserved me all the NBA because he had a legitimately great season.

For everything Jayland struggles with that gets exposed in the playoffs, he's a legitimately incredible second star to play next to other ball handlers, like the way he can score off, he has no handle to save his life, but he can still score almost 30 a game because he's so good playing offball next to other guys. Like, that's an incredible tool to have in an offense. That makes it so much easier to build a team because you can bring in another star and not have to hinder them in any way.

Like, Jason Tatum loses no touches despite having a second star that can score 30 at any night. That's super valuable for a team. And he's also a good on-ball defender. Like, I think Jalen deserves all the NBA nod. It's just like you said, the playoffs goes towards Ant-Man, so a lot of people weigh the playoffs significantly more,

which is cool. I tend to lean sample size rather than just blindly going to playoff performance because a lot of weird shit can happen in a five game sample size. But either way, I don't hate it. They're super close. Yeah, that's fair. Look at you. Look at you defending

Janele Brown right after you say you're a hater. Beautiful. I'm not going to act like he's Al-Frucaminu. Like, he's really good at. Oh, man. Donovan, expose yourself. I'm going to jump in here. This is my top of seven. It's honestly not a war crime.

I have Levine at 7. I have B-O-6. I have Bain at 5 Ant Man at 4 Jalen Brown at 3 D Mitch them book Bain is high Bain is above Biel

Wow you're projecting projecting I think No I actually think like right now I think I think Bradley Bills like overrated I think I think Bradley Biel had he had two years

where he was like scoring 30 and for the last two years his dirt he has not been able to be on the floor he's been very injury prone his shooting has declined very heavily from those two from whenever he was competing for scoring titles

he is not that score he or he hasn't been that score for the last two years his defense is not great he's a good secondary he's a better playmaker than Bain so like if you want to give him the nod there then okay but when we're just talking about like output

in production I don't think that Desmond Bain or I don't think that Bradley Bill has like showed that he's been significantly better in the last two years than Desmond Bain. So I'll put him there. And then with Levine, Levine also has the durability issues that Beale has had. And he's wildly inconsistent. And one night he can have 38 points and shoot 11 for 15 from the field. And then the very next night he's going to go two for 16. And you're just like, yo, like what what version of Levine am I going to get? And his defense is also not there. his playmaking is not as good as um as bill so like that's why i have him at seven but yeah i think

desmond bain a hundred percent deserves to be above those two guys nice side note all that's fair look at mo look how cozy he is with that fucking hood on his head you can't see his neck he looks like he's wearing a blanket no he really does he's ready to go to sleep he's ready to go to sleep he got to do rag on it's a late night cause bro i got to work in the morning row i got to get up and leave here at like seven or eight and i have to edit tonight i'm in hell That's funny But all that's fair I think

I'm very high on Bain I always want to put him super high Maybe not a little that high Because I think He's never going to be the creator Of the other guys And his defense isn't good enough To like lift him up that high

But he's like Jalen Where he's really valuable off ball And doesn't take away from your second star at all So I think he is incredibly valuable And he is a slightly above average defender So someone like Levy is not and beel is not so he does gain some benefit there in terms of this and like weighing

how valuable these guys are i just think that beale and levin have shown more and like beal i think the only reason he's been worse the past two years besides the injury thing is fair but i think in terms of production he's just taking less shots clearly by design like he's just as efficient everything else is exactly the same except field goal attempts so i don't blame him too much for that i like i said i think it's probably a conscious choice but i i don't hate it there's clearly similar players at this point yeah i'm not mad at at all i i wouldn't have bain that high over beale and levin but like for many of the reasons isaac just said and also considering like how you're using project projection onto your list it makes sense um but nonetheless i i still

disagree but i'm not going to like throw pitch force or use nunchucks against you bro like this is fine who i would love i would love to use nunchucks against you bro bro i want to use some nunchucks. I need to, dude, once I make it in life, I'm buying some nunchucks. And you'll see them hanging up on a wall behind me. Yeah, man. I think that's our list. I think we're all pretty in alignment with the top tier of the list.

The most interesting part was the middle. How do you all feel about these? The middle was hell. I feel like a lot more guys need to learn how to get buckets and be too gutted because the second half of this list was ridiculous. Yeah. I don't love my list. This is like, how could you?

There's so much inconsistency, but I think that's the, the top half of my list is Lashnard and the back half. The back half is kind of thrown together. Yeah. I don't like the middle. Don't convince me in a lot of stuff. Yeah, I don't like your middle? No, my middle just blob of the tear.

Yeah. All right, man. It's okay. The bell's ringing. I hear it in the background. I think it's TikTok time. Look at the TikTok. Get into it.

Scratching the walls right now. We're going to do a few TikToks right now with us. We're going to do a few TikToks right now And then we have a special guest coming on For the rest of TikTok time That I'll let you all see when we get there But first, we have a few more to do Which is us three

And for the first time in TD3 history We're not going to start with the draft Because we did the draft special guest So don't yell for a loop But stick around You all are going to see a special guest Some funny videos So first thing we're going to do

We're going to do centers old versus new We did this with point guards last week People hated it because we said Trey Young over Pete Marevich Halfway joking but people have no ability to understand when we're joking or being serious. But today we're going to do centers.

Old versus new. I'm a list two guys. Pretty self-explanatory. I wasn't joking about that, by the way. If they thought we were bad last week, we're going to be worse this week. I almost like, at this point, the old people get so mad at us

when we pick young players, I do it as a bit almost. Like, I just exaggerated every time because I know it's funny. People can get mad. So which NBA center is better? Old or new? De Kimbe Matumbo or Rudy Gobert?

Rudy Gober We'll watch the Kimbe and Matumbo Not playing Cap Exactly I'm never I don't I'm never picking Rudy

Give me DeKemean Mantembo Yeah Rudy ain't We ain't never getting No commercials No fire commercials Let's leave it at that One player has an iconic

Celebration The other one doesn't He has the cloud I'm going with Dekembe Yeah Rudy Gober's most iconic moment Is bringing COVID to the NBA Yeah

That's his lasting impact L I do think Rudy Gobert has like some mobility And some role man abilities that DeKinebe doesn't have But for his era But for his era DeKinebe is one of the greatest room protectors ever in a time Where that was super important

It's got to be him It's a respect factor man for me I've never seen any legend slander DeKamey Motambo ever in my entire life But Rudy O'Bair Who'd be on his ass like no other True Joelle and Bede versus Patrick Ewing

This is hard as hell This is tough This is tough Because they both are kind of iffy in the playoffs I guess I go Juel and Bede But man has he been bad in the playoffs He has Bro in game sevens he averages like five turnovers a game

It's ridiculous Like he's a better defender I think use a better shot blocker but NB is clearly clearly NB is a better offensive player I think yes however

are we counting his but like Mb has a Mickey Mouse MVP so I don't know I don't know how we're counting this this is tough this is tough

for the MVP let's just go ahead and give it to Mbid man like but it's big though is based off do you want Kendrick Perkins under these comments I don't

Tell Kendrick to call me It's Patrick Ewee I'm gonna go with Patrick Ewing I'm gonna go Joel and beat I think his ceiling as an offensive Creators a little bit higher But it's so close that I really don't care Like

Joel Cool David Robinson versus Nicola Yokitch Oh shit I hate this so much I hate this Respect to David Robinson

But I hate that I have had to say this so fast yokech oh listen i'm never going to be the one to not praise yokitch i'll take it but i think for now because of the longevity like i just peak yokish is clearly better but i think in terms like talking their careers robinson's close but i'm like it's yokech one of the best officers all the time listen he's definitely not getting blown out the water but like the culliokish just had one of the best playoff runs we've ever seen and he was he was the lead guy and david robinson listen no disrespect but he's He didn't win until Tim Duncan got there.

So, listen, we're getting spicy. We're getting spicy. That's all I'm saying. Obviously, David Robinson washes him as a defensive player. But it's pretty soon we're going to start talking by Yokic as one of the best offensive players to ever live. He's going to transcend these center conversations pretty soon. So I think it's pretty easily him.

No disrespect to David Robinson, bro. But Yolkich might just be on another level when it's all said and done. This white man is crazy. next one Dwight Howard versus Anthony Davis I'll start this off Listen

I'm gonna be the bad guy Dwight Howard Dwight Howard has become so underrated People have said Dwight Howard is so underrated To the point where he might be a little bit overrated People are talking like he's Walt Chamberlain Because they're like oh he gets no respect

People forget how good he was in his prime People also forget that people made fun of him for not having a post move to memory and having zero back and his only offensive utility is catching lobs. People, it's Anthony Davis. I'm sorry.

Maybe Loki's kind of the same. Damn, no, you can't say that with a straight face. You can't. Don't lie like that. For his size is one of the best ball, Hanley Bigs you've ever seen. Back when he could actually shoot the ball, like 2020 AD was a top tier offensive player.

That was a point in history. He's never gotten back to that point. Great, 2018, when he was averaging 30. Like he did it for four years straight He was on that level There was no point in No point in Dwight Howard's career Was he an elite offensive player?

That is true Zero point That is very true I mean And his defense isn't so much better Than AD's that it makes up for that It is better But not that much better

Brute times And in totality too DPOI A lot of people Aren't gonna remember Dwight Howard for The amazing things that you did With your Land of Magic's career

And I think that needs to be tacked on just a little bit so I'm going to add Anthony Davis because of the consistency of eliteness that he's displayed when he's been healthy what is this shit listen just because Dwight Howard just because Dwight Howard is like

not liked and he's out here recruiting people to Taiwan doesn't mean that we have to do this like revisionist history give me Dwight Howard I'm taking Dwight Howard we've done the opposite we've done so much revision of history that people are thinking that Dwight Howard was an elite two-way player like we can remember how great he was

and also remember his flaws. Can we can we not talk about Anthony Davis's flaws? We can talk at length, but I mean, all the AD flaws we have now are about current AD, not Prime AD. We know his injuries have SAP part of him. We're talking about Prime versus Prime. Not a lot of flaws in 2017 through 2020.

What's the Prime then? Two years of Prime? Oh my God, bro. We're like four-year peak? Like 2016 through 20-20 AD didn't have a ton of flaws. Like there was obviously he's not a great passer. He's a big man. His shot was iffy, but like, he produced a both size of the ball.

If you put AD, 2020 AD in that, what, 2009 Orlando Magic team, was that when they went to the finals correct? They winning that thing, dude. They are winning that thing with that. No, they're not. No, they're not. That's just false. Yeah, I want to go that far. Come on now.

That team, that team is so built perfectly around Dwight Howard's strengths that it would just be a different team. would it be this man beat prime lebron in the playoffs that is true that is true man this is tough actually he did be taking but prime lebron's team with ass so yeah he was like i didn't even a dwight however team is so much better yeah exactly so ah but they eat that that MVP got to move me god damn it ah i don't know the next one Noah. You mean Jo Kim Noah, man. I think Sabonis might be better for,

Sabonis is probably better, but that defense, the passing, and the disgusting shot plus the energy and overall this is being one of the greatest nuisance for his time period. It moves me.

I love the aura too. A hundred percent. For sure. Sabon is obviously a better offensive player. Listen, Sabonis be at the top of the key. Nobody guarding him. Scared to shoot.

Joe Kim Noah. would have let that helicopter shot fly just straight. And if he hit it, bro, he's screaming. Everybody can hear that, bro. That's hilarious. Yeah, I think if you're building a contender, Jo Kim Noah's elite defense is far more valuable

than Demontas de Bonuses, a really good offense. Yeah. How do you build around that and win a championship? I don't see it ever happened. Joe Kim Noah was so, so ahead of his time, man. He would eat into the NBA. Yeah. In that time, bro?

in 2009 come on now wasn't he an MVP discussions too at a certain point of his career yeah it was gross man he was in vp discussions like paul george was where it was like there's third place you're real good hey third place is bro for jokey you know what skill said that point in the NBA was insane roy hibber was an roy hibber was an all-star at that point in at that era in the NBA so maybe it's not that impressive but god man shout out to joekeem next one ben wallace versus Carl Anthony Towns This is so weird

This is so disrespectful This is so disrespectful I'm joking it's Ben Wallace Can be Ben Wallace easily Oh god bro I don't even like joking about stuff like that Don't don't play with me like that I don't like it

Shout out to the big pur man One of the greatest No no no no shout out to the big per Shout out to Ben Wallace Why exactly because he's like What do you mean? That's why

God damn Never rid of for you, cat All right man That's all we got for today Next up You guys are going to be taken To a second part TikTok time

Where we're joined by One half of the broadcast boys Lucas Brody Soho Brody We're going to have him on Do the rest of TikToks with us It was a really funny conversation That you guys are going to love

Yeah Transition now All y'all, we're here for the second half of the podcast with one half of the broadcast boys. Brody, how are you doing? I am great. Thank y'all, fellas, for having me. Can't wait to get into some suspect games. Yeah, all I told Lucas is to be ready to talk about male looks when we're talking about these TikToks today.

I've been waiting for this time. This is the time I'm waiting for Lucas. We are ready for you. Knowing Isaac, you definitely can't see me in this battle, in this field. There's no way. Oh, don't worry. don't worry your taste is questionable you sent back a hamburger because a pickle touched it oh my god this has nothing to do about the hottest NBA players but I digress

I digress as always we do these TikTok sections of the pod we're going to start with the draft this time we're going to do a draft of the hottest NBA players people have been asking us to do it for a long time never felt like it was our bag but now we got a special guest on who it is definitely your bag so we accommodate to the talent at hand this is my skill set Yep. And since we've got four people, it's a bit too much for one TikTok. So we're going to do two v2. Me and Lucas are on one team, Donovan and Moe and the other team. Damn, I wish we could whisper. Donovan. We creating all team take yo bitch. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're definitely just going to have that. Hold on. This is definitely just going to be a battle of we're going to pick based on who we look like. Watch. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. You can say it. Just because I mean, I know who I would take first pick, but I don't know if we have first pick.

we'll have okay we'll have okay we'll i feel like we shouldn't have first pick because i doubt this would be the player they take no no no no no no yeah y'all get first pick i'm very serious right obviously on the teams we take turns picking you can go first look oh wait we're not consulting we we get a little bit but we're gonna take turns let's draft NBA lineups based on the hottest players in the league this is going to be crazy i'm already nervous oh my god i just don't know i feel like this player could slip to number three, based on the team that we're currently facing. But I need someone that's inarguable, indefensible, has done runway looks, high fashion,

has aged so gracefully, maybe the best glow up in NBA history, potentially. He went from a fat boy to a supermodel and is married to a supermodel. Sorry for the longest spiel. But Kevin Love, bona fide number one big to me. Classical handsome. Any era. If we're picking a white dude first, that's going to be the pick. I respect it.

Quality pick He said based on who we're facing That was charged And I want you to know that Moe, where are we going? Where are we going with this? She's, we can go a lot of ways You can go a lot of ways

But I think we can't go wrong With selecting Jason Tatum first Easily That's exactly where I was going We got to get the light skin early Yep, exactly. We know we want That's crazy to me

I'm going to pick the person Who should have gone one one Give us Kelly Ubre. It's an easy choice. Washed. He's a little past his prime. Washed. I'm honestly,

I wish he could have consulted. Why wouldn't you consult your GM on this pick? It's Kelly Ubrey. What are we talking about? He's too pretty. I've pulled many women and it's really he's really not like that. I feel like he's more of a guy's guy.

A guy's guy. Like guys find him hotter than women actually do. He's too pretty. I do really respect the Tatum pick though. Trade me to this team. Isaac does not know ball, man. But the fans will like Kelly Ubre. Exactly.

And it's a good balance. Exactly. Okay. He's got to have versatility on our team. I'm sold. Donovan, go ahead. Put him in a dirt. Let's go ahead and do it.

I'm actually blanking right now. Listen, I'm going to go a little bit underrated. A little bit underrated. We're going to go band out of bio. No! We're going to go band out of bio. Dude. He's underrated.

He's underrated. Oh my God. Oh, my God. I mean, he's a few teammates better than him. You picked bad? What are we doing here? Listen, listen. He's low-key.

He's like that. He's like that. What is like that about? He has waves, but I mean, like, I don't know that. That meant his 10th team. Oh, my God, bro. He's not 10th team. He's not, we're hating.

We're hating. To be honest. That's a crazy one. We got to consult next time. Any discussions, any time. To be honest. We got to consult next time. I did blink.

right I did I would say that I would say that I would say that my draft board isn't up right now I'm 15 deep you should have asked me man

I'm 15 deep it's crazy because when the lights are on you really do blank this is my specialty and I'm having a tough time with so much talent out there honest

I feel like soccer players are way high than basketball players all you want to take this one I'll go the next one yeah all let's do it next pick we got Jalen Green.

Got some young kids. Why are you so predatory with your picks? That's crazy. I guess Kelly Woodrow is older, but Jailene Green's too young. Oh, my gosh. Jaylen Green's like nine months younger than me. Oh, true. Okay, fair enough.

Different demographics. He has a lot of potential. I will say that. I will say that. High upside. He's the man. He's going to grow into his skill set. He's very pretty, too.

I still can't believe I. We're going to have a good balance at the end of the day. We cooked a man abyle is wild It's all right Bata Biles nuts Yeah BAM is bro I'm not even going to say that All right anyways

Let me save the day Let me save the day It's like He's not even on the spectrum Bro he's undrafted He should be undrafted in this Whatever Yeah

Give me SGA That's a good day 10 out of 10 everywhere bro he's Canadian The swag is right The IG captions are right. The game on the court, right, and he looks good doing it too. How are the IG captions factoring into attractiveness?

It's a part of your attractiveness. It's an aura. No, I agree. I like that pick off. His aura is elite. All team aura right there. That's what we aim for, too. I haven't been factoring fashion into this, and that's a big deal.

I've been sleeping. I mean, I've only taken Kevin Love. I'm trying to go. So we're back on the board? Yep. Your turn. The hottest NBA. players of all time.

I might go new school just because I saw this man cook in the Eastern Conference finals. And it could potentially be a package deal. I'll take Caleb Martin. Okay. I saw girls TikTok. I saw girls TikTok. She was doing a bracket

of the hottest players in the playoffs and he won consistently every single time. Really? Okay. It's not a banger. This girl was a type. I mean, Tatum was up there too. Mo, let's consult you. I want to talk to my partner on this one Before I go ahead, submit the draft pick

I love it. This is my bag right here So let's stare away from the bigs. I got that part. What wing? Look, that was not intended. Crazy. What wing or guard are you want? We got it.

Listen, if we're, we got someone in Washington, someone in Charlotte Oh, please take Washington No, we're not We're not going to Washington We're not going to Washington There's a few in Washington actually

Oh, we got some We got a super underrated player In Utah He don't get no PT, no burn Ooh I know he knows what I'm talking about Wait no I don't because this player gets burned Oh well you're not

You're not on the right track then right now I'm gonna go ahead and save the day for you Or, hold on, hold on, hold on. Actually, let's go, let's go, let's go to Phoenix. We can go to Phoenix real quick. Okay. Oh, okay. I'm going to go there.

I'm going to go there. Okay. Give us Devin Booker. Okay. I like that. That's solid. That's solid. That's solid.

That's a great pair with SGA. I got two options for this last pick. Okay. Let me hear. One of them, the one I'm not going to pick was DeAngelo Russell. But I'm going to go with somebody, Lucas, on your side of the aisle. We're going to pick Josh and Giddy with the last pick. He's white.

No, he looks like my sister. Hey, I didn't say it. And we're back in it, Mo. He had her, he has her haircoat when she was like eight years old. Fuck, I feel like we just tank right there. Can we do add drops? What? It's Josh Giddy.

We got John B on our team. Bro, we got John B. Okay, okay. I'm dead. All right, let's wrap this up. At the four, we're going big right now. Give me Nick Claxton. The aura is ridiculous, bro.

Especially when he had those Cardi dreads. Oh my God, this is over. I am never going to a next game with my girl if this man is playing, bro. Ever. Band. I got an easy defense of this pick. Easy defense. Y'all know about the ick?

I think we have five. But go ahead. Tell us who the defense is. Like an ick is when a girl is turned. off, you ever seen him shoot free throws? You ever seen how far wide apart his feet are? That immediately docks him down like six points. Look.

I've never seen some shit like that. Look. So our team, we got who we got? Kevin Love, Kelly Ubrey, Jalen Green, Josh Giddy. And who's our fifth? And Caleb Martin. It's a strong five. Versatility.

We have, we have SGA, Devin Booker, Jason Tatum, Bam out of bio Nick Claxton The two big men are fucking it up Aside from Bam Hey we were we were on one We were on one All team take yo bitch right here

Yeah I feel like I choked that pick I feel like I choked Letting Isaac take two Letting Isaac take an extra player Instead of me That's where I choked That's where I choked

I can't believe you don't like the Josh Giddy pick I picked that one for you I was gonna pick Danzorosa Can we propose a trade No Yeah, go ahead. What's the trade?

Where was the trade? Giddy for Claxton. Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. I need two first. I need two first. Blocked.

What the hell? Never feels like any deals with you again. All right. The next view we're going to do, I'm sending you guys some pictures right now. We're going to stick with the topic of rating grown men. This time we're going to rate them based on if they were old. So these are Photoshop's these players put in face app to look old. App to look old and we're going to rate them from one to ten based on how they look elderly

I lost my mind the last time we did this. I'm so curious to see who's on here Rate these NBA players from one to ten based on how they look old first off Anthony Davis. Ew Ew. This is E.T. This is E.T. This is this is awful. I can't I can't look at this. I don't think this is that bad. I don't look that bad old. What? He's not below He's not below a four He kind of looks like group Oh man

I mean you might with all these injuries Shit add up bro He's been punching his face He's had injuries to his face too So it adds up There's no way he's going to age this well This is an 8 He looks great

There's no way He's no way he's going to look like this I mean if an old person is wearing this He looks pretty fly for how he looks he looks more handsome here than he did in college that's pretty fucking easy to do

no giving him a that's he aging gracefully to me no yeah no he looks he looks weird he looks weird especially in this fit he looks like when jerry Seinfeld did that kid's collection that's what he looks like

I can't stand for this I think he surpassed how he should have looked like he looks better than he should have I can't stand for his teeth got messed up in the thing too he got little like his teeth look like they're decaying this is a four

This is a four I'll give him a six Lucas convinced me He does If he's this is 90 year old AD He looks great If it's like 5560 I'm kind of worried for him

Y'all sleep This 80 looks just fine If he looks like this By the time he's like 50 This is a blessing Y'all like gasses Y'all really like AD right now Yeah

Luca Dunchits Dude he just looks like Bill Simmons What am I looking at right now? I was going to say the exact same thing He looks like he works at a casino He looks like he frequents a casino And like people are in my name

He's like a business scammer Business scammer podcast influencer Like a Jordan Peterson type figure Him and Gary V are dapping each other up Every weekend at conventions I can see it This is a one He looks like a scumbag

He does He has terrible vibes Some white collar criminal He looks like he exclusively flirts With 21 year olds I was just about to say that Literally he has them He literally has a bunch of them on a yacht right now, bro.

I don't like this. I don't like these vibes. Freaky. That sounds like we've got to give him a zero from being fresh. No, we're wilding. I'll give Luca a four just because he looks like the most interesting man in the world, dude. He has something up his sleeve. I don't like it.

Oh, God, bro. Yeah, he looks like a very untrustworthy man. Agreed. But it looks good, though. This is damn near a 10. They're really like old dudes. These are all so generous. I mean, him and AD are like 20 years apart in these photos.

Yeah. Next up, Paul George. I mean, you did him so dirty with the cafeteria, hair knit. Why is he looking like this, man? Brother, nipple in a photo just threw me off. What is the original picture look like? I don't know, man. You made him look homeless.

And I'm giving him a 10 out of 10 in spite of that because I know Paul George will age gracefully. Yeah, they did him real dirty because I know their hairlines still going to be crisp, intact, and pristine. And that's what's carrying him right now. No, I don't know. He looks like he does karate on the side of the street.

I don't know what this is. I've seen that multiple times. What the fuck is that beard? Has he always had this beard? No, it just got like that. Have y'all ever watched Door of the Explorer? Yeah. He looks at the Grumpier old troll to live under the bridge.

Oh, fuck. The troll. This is a five. Yeah, I can buy a five. He looks like a silly goofy guy. Ten. Yeah. We're just handing out tens.

What are we doing? Ten. We got to be more selective. All right. Next up. Kauai Leonard. Okay. He looks like a white walker.

He looks wild. Not him and John Snow have had some battles. like he's literally on his last breath like one of his last few breaths yeah like right after the shot bounces in a few times he's gonna die right after it goes in yeah that loads been a new shit for him bro

I know every time he claps dust pops in the air he's jacked yeah he just one cough he starts wheezing he looks so confused like he looks old he looks mad confused in this picture this might just need to be another

10 for the realism he looks like he can't believe he made it this far, honestly. Just, why does his hip look like that? He got that turkey. He definitely looks like he doesn't know where he's at. I'm going to go seven and a half because it looks like he's living to 103. Bro, the way the mouth is just open.

See, no teeth. Oh, man. I was going to agree with you, Lucas. But because of the no denture action, it has to be like, no teeth is wild. How'd they get that detail in there? No teeth is crazy. All right, next one.

Steph Curry. This don't even, all right, this don't even look real. He looks like. He looks like Michael Rapporteur. He looks like Steve Kerr. Bro, he has like chicken wing skin right here. Why we have to do Wardell like this? What?

I don't know what to do. He does look like Steve Kerr, though. That is, that is big facts. Yeah. No, no, he looks like the old person emoji. Yeah, this is a four out of ten to me. He does look like either a sweet old man or a predator. I'm going to give this a two

I think this is the worst case outcome for Steph Curry If he looks like this everything went wrong I mean his hairline is still there So that's a huge dub for him So I think I give us a five Five Not that bad

Next up Nicola Yokic Oh man He looks like the old lady fish Off a SpongeBob The one who's just like The one who's just like asking for chocolate Yeah I remember what they first invented

Joker spot on impression by the way I thought someone brought up a YouTube clip yeah that man's fresh off that episode damn

what is that oh man I hate it I feel like he doesn't even look that different yeah I feel like this kind of looks like Yokic right now

exactly this is just Yokic 10 years from now this is Yokaj for two more kids two more games looks like he smokes has smoked three packs of cigarettes a day for the last 30 years

this is international oh I fuck with Taye dosage you fuck with Taye dosage yeah he's nasty the pastes were crazy bro what this guy

just looks at the type of dude that's like repairing my apartment building outside just like a dad he looks happy as hell if so it looks like he loves his job I mean he looks I know definitely I know he's mixed but he looks racist

I don't see a racist bone in a collioca's body Don't do that now Oh sorry, I thought he moved on to Blake Griffin, my fault Alright next up Blake Griffin No he definitely does like that's Hold on Oh yeah, it looked like my kind ain't welcome over there

Blake looked like he switched up for sure He looks like a king of the hill character Yes, he looks like Dale What the fuck No, for sure. Yeah, this is really rough for Blake, too. This is a three. So tragic.

I might have to give it a one. He just looks sad. Yeah, he just looks like a hates his life. He's still thinking about Kendall. 46 years later. No, he looks like a vegetable like it left outside for too long. I don't like it. Yeah.

It's a smooth one. That's tough. Yeah, Blake was... Look at his eyes. Bro. Those are sad eyes. This is an insane falloff. Have his eyes always been this close together?

Have they always been like this? I've just noticed that. That's kind of crazy. I don't know. I just feel like they're really close to his nose. I didn't think that they were like points inwards. This seems realistic, though. I could easily see this being a top 75 player from that walkout of the All-Sar game a few years ago.

Yeah, I could definitely see this guy sitting front row at a Hall of Fame coordination. With a massive limp. Next up Kevin Durant He looks so normal Yeah That's Kevin Durant now Still smoking that gonged clear as day Exactly

This is exactly what I expected I just imagine smoking that gas And still on Twitter bro Going crazy still He looks like he has mad wisdom But would rather just roast his shit out of you He keeps it to himself He gay keeps the wisdom

yeah bro okay you look so good yeah this is 10 i'm giving this a 10 i can actually shoot this in real life yeah yeah if he looks like this would be a good outcome this is the most likely one we've seen i mean he has way too much hair here that's a good that is very true that's true i respect them for not going to turkey though so the hair is a pretty striking inaccuracy do we have to lower the rating a little bit yeah

because it is going to look the same ball That's true But that fiction is there So I just like it's just It's just not true It's not accurate Next up Russell Westbrook

This is by far the worst one I've seen Holy shit This is a camp counselor What? Why is he looking at tooth like that When you get old Do your teeth just like Start moving

Like do you need braces as you as you age? It's possible Your teeth move when you don't wear your retainer at night no this is definitely even lunch lady vibes I was about to say he looks like he makes the meanest mashed mashed potato ever bro I ain't go lie that arm now now that you see it I can't unsee that granny

he looks mad sweet yeah exactly he looks super nice he makes really good cookies he's the greatest granny in the world he knits definitely a good granny he is a knitter I can just imagine him handing me like a piece of caramel wrapped up a little rapper like don't tell your mom type shit

It's a weird, it's a weird fantasy. I have no idea where it came from. These hypotheticals are insane you're delivering, Isaac. That sounds like you're getting groomed. I remember I'm like giving me a candy. You never had a grandma that gave you candy and said don't tell your mom?

No, I know. I feel like my take on that is worse on my outlook on life. Vassional trauma. You have deep-rooted trauma, you're just letting it out. Oh, man. I do fuck with Werther's originals. Oh, my God.

That's a throwback. Russ is an 8. Next thing we're going to do is we're going to do a tier list like we always do. This time, Mo, I think we have some signature celebrations to show us. Let's put these NBA celebrations into a tier list. Okay. All right. So first up, we got Sam Consell's big ass balls.

S easily Sam's balls are easily an ass Is what you do you mean? This is classic I ain't gonna lie to you This is easily one of the most disrespectful Celebrations anyone can do

And this has to be a S It's all about disrespect to me And it has the name to match too Like not only is it Sam's balls But they're called Sam's big ass balls Like it just fits so perfectly Branding is everything That's definitely an S because the NBA

I don't know They didn't ban it but you get fine for doing that in the NBA today Oh for sure They definitely like that LeBron did it Kobe did it It's a it's a celebration that has span

Generations everybody wants to show off their big ass balls It's S too I don't think it's that disrespectful either It's more about your own inner confidence It's not even about the opponent Oh yeah you're You're showing off your big ass balls It's the same shit as ice in my veins

It's a different way of expressing it Adam Silverman's David Stern Hey they some insecure boys with some little moss probably All right What's the next one Next we got Lance Stevenson's air guitar This has to be probably one of the most middest Simply because the caliber player he is

In my mind I gotta fuck with this He's so goofy and like so doesn't need to be doing this That makes me like it more I'm gonna give a good A Nah Yeah The audacity

I love the audacity It's an air guitar There's no audacity It's the most average play Is he an air guitar from Lance Stevenson, it's hilarious He does not need to be doing this This is okay

It's okay I need my It's solid It's a B on a good day It's a B on a good day It's a B But he has so many B celebrations That overall he's an A

Or an S type of player to me Lansing he's a fucking clown He's such a clown He's getting the bump to A For name recognition alone It is what it is bro This is if Austin Rivers did this If Austin Rivers did this

I wouldn't have a fuck Because it's Austin Reeves, Austin Reeves of the banjo variation. Next up, we got Delos, the classic ice in my veins. This has to be an S, bro. The aura was immaculate. Top 10 aura in the NBA history.

I'm telling no lies. I feel like for influence alone, it has to be A.R.S. Like a whole generation of kids, this is their celebration. It's all they fucking do. Also, across sports. Yeah, exactly. This right here is the best. thing Dan Zor Russell has ever produced in his entire NBA career.

No, easily. For sure. All right, we'll go, as I've solid logic on all that. I think, I think I have to go A. I like, I do kind of love it. The part of it is also, I mean, Dilo, like, what moments was he hitting these shots in? Oh, bro, it was December 15th. Yeah, exactly.

It was two and 24. It's hilarious. Like, it's slightly corny, but that's not a bad thing either. Hey, we went from late Stevenson. It's a delope, like how far away they're from each other. You have to celebrate when you can't. Yeah, facts, you know. All right.

It's all moral victories. Next, we got Russell Westbrookking the baby. Another strong one. Only he does it. So does that a good thing or a bad thing? Lack of influence. I haven't seen a lot of people do it, actually. But I feel like I've been seen a lot of people who don't deserve it.

Yeah, exactly. That might lower. it then if Pat Bebvre is the only other person who does this you might have to drop it a tear I don't know listen but Jay Cole did write a bar about this so it might get bumped back up I don't know so are we going a a is this a or B it's too literal it is very on the nose I can see that but it's hard isn't his veins is exactly this like literal too and big ass balls is it I don't know this This might have to be S for me.

This might have to be S for me because once he did this, like you're literally either on the ground or you're stumbling trying to catch your ass from falling on the ground, bro. So it's embarrassing. It has to be an ass for me. But a fair. All right.

It's definitely high in the disrespectful rankings. Like ice in my veins is just like you're doing it to the crowd. You're gloating. This is like, no, I fucking destroyed you. Like it's very intentional. I feel like he always got his ass busted right after he did this. Probably. He wasn't getting back on defense after this.

I'll tell you that. All right. Next, we got Carmel and Anthony's three to the dome. Come on now. I don't want to hear any arguments from anybody. This is S tier. Solid D. Isaac, I will fight you.

I'm just kidding. You got pitch forks of New Yorkers outside your door right now. I just wanted to piss off the two New Yorkers. It's also so simple. Anyone can do it. Yeah, exactly. This is generational, bro. We've seen this from generation to generation.

And this will be still going on. where we're like 80, 90, 100 years old, bro. One of the greatest other races ever. It will, bro. Mello does it right now. La Mello does it right now. All right. Next up, we got Damian Lillard's dame time.

Very specific to one guy. I don't know if it hurts or helps. Yeah, it's true. But when he does it, like, your team is six feet deep in the ground. You're done. I don't know. There's no coming in a cold when he does it. Yeah.

It really is. He only pulls it out when it's over. The straight face really helps, so I can see an A. It's not that influential, though, because not a lot of people do it, though. Like, you'll never see this in an open gym. I'll see Russell Westbrook's thing. I'll see, like, almost every other celebration of this. You'll see this.

What? Where do you hoop at? Wait. Don't worry about that. Runs are too advanced for you. No, no, no, no. No way. The day time?

No one. That's so nasty, bro. At the park? At the park? Yeah. That's so lame If I see you do that Dane time at 24 hour fitness

You're a menace You're like the guy that wears a Jordan shirt The Jordan shorts the arm sleeves These people be on TikTok Filming their pickup games It's wild I hear True true People do like it

But not enough energy for me And like Mello's like smashing his fingers Against his head I like that I love the stoicism He's so serious Yeah A or S We'll go A

I'm cool with A A's fire What do they call this Next Lebron one I fucking forget The silenisher, the silencer? The silencer. The silencer.

That's what it's called. Yeah, it's called the silencer. I watched highlights over the other day. All right. What about the silencer? This is kind of hard. B, it's cool. I don't think it's as good as the ones above it.

He doesn't do it as often anymore. It's super rare. You should be signature for him. In its prime, I'm putting this as an A. Because in its prime, this was like one of the best celebrations out. And this also, this also covers different. sports people across sports do this one football heavy yes yeah you're right this is one the first ones i think of when i was a kid and like replicating like ironically replicating

celebrations it was always this one yeah it's just it's just a weird choreography of moves yeah it is the first time he did it it was so obviously forced that he'd done it in the mirror a million times it's like half s it's half s half f like lebron is hilarious it's hard to take him seriously it's not shit like this Sounds like a B to me. Yeah, C. B. C. B. Like, what is he doing? Like, marching?

It's a strange rhythm to it. Yeah. It is pretty fucking terrifying. I think he's big and brawling, bro. Yeah. If he wasn't giant, it wouldn't be intimidating. But even then, I saw Trey Young do it in his like first or second year in the NBA, and it just felt so off because he wasn't big and bra.

And it was like, bro, what do you do implying your chest? You're going to give yourself a heart attack. Relax. You know? So, I don't know. He's way too little for that one. Yeah. He's giving himself bruises.

This might be a B. This might be a B. All right. B it is. Haters. What about Curry's Night Night? This is ass. It's not trash.

It's not trash. It's a high C, low B. Wherever you want to put it there is cool. Is there F in this? Yeah, there's F. What? This is like the dad joke. This is the dad joke of celebrations.

The sleep? Look at his face. This shit is. Not influential. He's too good for something like this. He way too good for something like this. Because of the fact we've seen him do raw shit, like pointing at his finger when he's going to win the championship, we've seen the highs of Curry. This isn't very impressive.

Bro, the no look is more impressive than this. Yeah, 100%. This is not really. It doesn't move me. It's ass. It doesn't move. We just praised everybody for all the simple stuff for all just like, oh, it's just that. Like, it's one move and you're done.

Like, come on. We're being hypocritical here. We're going to D? I want to say C if I'm being nice. D, F to D, F to D. D is what? F to D. It ain't nothing, man.

Think about how much, like, Ocho Cinco and then look at this. What the fuck is this? I mean, Ocho Cinco is like all time celebrity. He's S. I'm not saying it's S tier, but like, see, we can't give an average. D, D. D's not failing. He's not failing.

right next up we got next up we got james hardin next up we got james hardin cooking this is another very influential one peak this definitely took over to this big place and culture going forward bro back in the day if you wore these the cargoes and your lebrons on and you shot this across the class a paper ball across the class into the trash can you're him so this has to be and I'm doing I'm doing the cooking thing too this is you said D Donovan I didn't even hear you so what I'm just hate I'm just hating at this point oh my god

I'm sure you said D what S or a yes he don't do it anymore but I might go a I might go I can't go I can't go yes I'll go yeah okay I'm cool day it's cool well what he was hitting this he was like dribbling between the legs for 23.9 seconds we're hitting a double step back so it was like despicable to watch, but when he called fire, it was ridiculous. When he hit that hoe, he hit that hell, and the camera's all on him. This is quality.

Yeah, A. Okay, I'm cool with that. Let's do it, A. All right, that's end of that tier list. Next video, we're going to do another draft, but this time we're going to draft a player by going by their skills. So instead of like one through five positions,

we're going to draft body, finishing, defense, passing, and shooting. And we're going to do teams. This time is going to be, Brody and Moe on a team against me and Donovan And the twist is We're drafting the most mediocre

Player possible Ooh, this should be good So I'm not bad but mediocre Yep Don't be trash, don't be good Straight mid Let's draft the most average NBA player possible

Donovan you got first pick We'll go first this time Who's average I have no idea There's a lot of average guys out there I know I'm just trying to figure it Pick bam

You're hating on that one You're hating on that one. This man loves Bim. I'm so blinking right now. I'll go first. I'll go first. I'm blinking. For body, let's get Boyon Bogdanovich.

Oh, that's a great. Damn, that's a great. Mad regular. I got a better one. I got a better one, Mo. Pasty white boy. Let's go ahead. But he just inspired me to take four body.

It has to be the worst body in the NBA. George's Niyang. Oh, shit. That is amazing. He just went up to him. And my girl was watching him at the Barclay Center and she was cracking up, like, legitimately. No, he's definitely but like Mo. Hell no.

His redemption pick. Hell no. Your turn. All right. Bro, why can I not think of anybody average? Oh, my God. This is so terrible. I guess, bro, what is happening right now?

Do I take it again? Bro, take this pick off of me. I am blakey. The lights are too bright. I can't think of anybody. For shooting, give us Josh Richardson. Ooh, that's wild and consistent. I like that.

I like that. Critical Central 35% shooter. All right, cool. For passing, this is kind of funny. Give me Jalen Brown. Give me Jalen Brown. He cannot do that. That's worse than average passing.

at least he didn't take it dribbling i like passing that's perfect like nothing spectacular yeah all right here we go for defense for defense give me give me bradley beel for defense damn he's not guarding nobody not getting burnt but he's just there that is solid wait what are the uh skill sets left so now we have defense shooting and finishing left. Finishing, okay. Like rim. Yeah.

This might be too deep cut. I'm going to go Raymond Felton for finishing. Damn. Rayman Felton. He's like just solid, but no one, I don't, I would never say he's above average finishing around the rim. Perth is like exactly like 15th best point card. Probably worse, but.

I love it. Dude, that's deep as fuck. All right, for passing, give us Kyle Kuzma. Okay. I like that. All about a bucket. I never said it in a day in his life. Okay, that's cool.

All right. So next we have, all we have left is defense and shooting. So for defense, go ahead and give me Josh Giddy. Okay. I feel like he's a decent defender, but I guess that's a point. He's average. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, it's just something you don't think about, bro.

When you think about Josh, do you think about the hate? the passing and the hair come back to it all right what we got we have finishing left yeah we got finishing close us out where I think of the most average to straight vanilla people in the NBA give me Al Horford's finishing

no bro hold up just madly oh big men's finish well at the rim now this one listen his dunks aren't crazy either he's just gonna Raymond Felton closer to average in Al Horford. I can guarantee you that. Wait, what do we have left shooting?

Now all we got left is shooting. All right. So it should be someone that takes shots, like a three-point specialist. It's not really a three-point specialist, like Josh Richardson. Exactly. Oh, I would love to make your pick for you.

Oh, you finally got. It finally came back. It finally came back. I don't know. I can't, we can't go double Nyang, but that was a consideration. Double Nying is crazy. Oh, hold up.

What about... You can pick the egg in every category. What about Marcus Smart Shooting? Oh, he'll get those motherfuckers up. I feel like he's hot. He can get really hot, but he also gets really cold. That's actually a fantastic big. Yeah.

That's a very average pick up. I can never tell if he's amazing or bad at offense. I really can never tell. It's like he's playing mind games. He's amazing. Yeah, exactly. He plays mind games with you, bro. He pulls it like he's amazing.

He has that confidence, but most of the time, it really don't go in like that. But shout out to him. He's been at shooting, for sure. It's great. Shout out to him for being average. Yeah. Yeah, shot him for making our list, bro.

We got Josh Richardson for shooting, Kyle Kuzelhofer for finishing. Who's our defender? Bradley Bill. Bradley Bill for defense. And Boyan Bogdanovich for body. Nice. That's a solid. That's a solid.

9.2 points in the game. That's a good role player. That's hard. We got George Naying for body. That was a killer pick. We got Josh Giddy for defense, Raymond Felting for finishing, shooting Marcus Smart,

and passing Jalen Brown, bro. Straight duds everywhere. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. All right. Yeah, one more video. Yeah.

This is going to be a classic. Which NBA player would you rather let date your daughter? Oh, let's go. Let's go. Mo was tripping last time. No, I wasn't. You're a terrible father, bro. All right.

Which NBA player would you rather date your daughter? Dremont Green or Carl Anthony Towns? It has to be Dremont. She cannot. I will disown her if she dates Carl. What? We are not doing that. We are not doing that.

Can you imagine Draymond Green at a family reunion? Bro, he's going to be calling you a bitch. He's going to put hands on you potentially, bro. Like, what are you talking about right now? Cat is a nice guy. If he sees you, he's going to go ahead and, like, up his voice and make it deeper a little bit, you know? Cat is nice. They call him Big Purr.

I trust him around my daughter. No, that's seven-foot Drake. That's exactly who I want, my daughter dating. Someone who's in touch with his emotions. Draymond Green, bro. I mean, I do like him, but he's pretty damn annoying. And cats not? Not in the same way.

Not in the same way. He's going to. Definitely in different ways. that's for sure. Kat is changing his voice on my daughter. I can't do it. I can't do it. She'll never know the real him.

MetaWorld Peace or Dennis Rodman? Oh, man. She's going to stay single. Yeah, this is bad. This is easy, though. This is easy, though. Meta World Peace is a change man. Dennis Rodman is legitimately best friends with Kim Jong-un.

I don't even know. They don't even know. They don't communicate, but that's easy. He's a wild card. You don't see him crying on CNN? Crying? Oh, my God. Are you serious?

lying on CNN, like, he was so upset about relations between America and North Korea. Yeah, I feel like MetaWorld Peace will distill good values into my daughter. Yeah, I don't know. Positive influence on our life. Man. Listen, when is, when is she getting with him? She getting with him, like, with Ron Artes or with Meta World Peace? Because if it's, she gets the whole spectrum, I don't really know.

She's with him for life. She cuffs him at Ron Artaxas. I was assuming it was now. Okay, cool. Listen, because if she met Ron our test in, like, the fifth grade, I had to grow up with him,

I couldn't do that. She would have to be by herself. See, one of the only positives I think about is Dennis Rodman, the swag is OD. So if I know that my daughter's going to be out with that, man, like they're going to be getting all types of looks

for the good reasons, bro. Well, you can't factor in swag into your daughter's love life. That's what I told you. My daughter's not going to be with no square. He's a terrible. Are you kidding me? If you walk into my house and I see your fit, I'm dressing you.

I'm, I'm, hot, hot. Drip over love? No, not drip over love. It's not about that. You got to be adequate. That's it. That's all I'm asking about. Okay.

Jimmy Butler or Ben Simmons. This is so easy. So easy again. It's Jimmy hands down. If he's good enough to date Shakira, he can date my daughter. Oh, that's hard. That's tough. Yeah, I mean, I can't argue that.

Are you kidding me? Like has shown no follow-through or desire to improve in any situation in life. Yes, bro. I would assume it applies to dating to relation. He's not putting in the work. He's not putting in the self-work, all right? Yeah. I can imagine him bailing on my daughter road for a couple of dates.

It'll just be nothing but a disappointment. A letdown, bro. I'm going to go, J.B. He always follows through. Thanks. I feel like Jimmy Butler would make her run suicides, though. I feel like he'd be very strict. I feel like he's going to be running that bitch like a boot camp.

He's an almond boyfriend. Yeah, his household's crazy. It's a drill sergeant. That's an easy one. Look at the personalities, bro. Yeah. I feel like Jimmy Butler would yell at my daughter if she used coffee creamer. I mean, that is pretty gross.

You're anti-coffee creamer? Like the Nestle one? Not all the time, but it's a little overpower. powering to me. Don't use a lot. Shaquille O'Neal or Charles Barkley? Chuck.

I think Shaq is secretly a dog. Jack has said in the public that he's messed it up multiple times. That's true. We got to go with Chuck. We got to go with Chuck. How do you know Charles hasn't messed it up

multiple times? Shaq is just proud of it. I'm just going based off what I've seen and what I've been told. Counterpoint. Have you heard Charles Barkley talk about San Antonio woman? I have. Your daughter has a fine line that she cannot go over. That's fine.

Listen, as long as they don't, as long as they don't move to San Antonio, like, I think she'll be fine. As long as she doesn't get true. You got to put her on strict macros if she's going to be a retardant. That's the only thing, bro. also Shaq has a million business endeavors He's like touring in Europe playing music festivals And Lord knows what Charles Buckley going to be a home more often than not

At least in Shaq That's true Yeah If my daughter is with Shaq I know she's set for life Unlimited endorsements A tie to her name too Definitely Shaq

Patrick Beverly Or Dylan Brooks Oh man I might say Patrick Beverly I actually have to think about this I have to I don't have to think about this at all Keep Patrick Beverly

Keep Dylan Brooks the fucking away from my family Yeah bro because Patrick Beverly is likable At least if you see through him as a person What is like? Yeah on the court Patrick Beverly is a maniac Also I'm hearing talk I'm like cool dude You see how good of a teammate he is though Everyone loves playing with him

Exactly So that has to translate well That has to Nobody loves playing with Dylan Brooks His team said we're not resounding you under any circumstances A month before free agency started He is a red flag He's so rich, though.

True. But also, he straightens his hair. Have you seen his hair straightened? I have. Why are you saying it for that? You want to talk about a lack of aura. I don't want him in my household. He's negative aura, bro.

Yeah, his jump shot looks funny. His swag is, man. The hair straining, it don't sit right for him. Yeah, I think I have to happen. Is Isaac against natural hair? It's not even natural. I imagine he comes to Thanksgiving with. that on sits across

from your table in your household how are you going to react all right all right you swayed me you sway me it's pat bet it's pat bet yeah I know bro uh that's a great James or Kevin Durant think long and heart

I mean LeBron James that's the ultimate family man he's already shown to be an incredible I mean we've never seen no girls around KD's world has signed the NBA on that look I don't know accusations

wins that's what I'm hearing yeah but that's a contract between them who knows what type of arrangement they'd have no love for Kevin Durant you don't want your daughter with somebody purely dedicated to the craft yeah Twitter I've never seen any bad

bitches next to Katie's corner bro all I see is his mom and that's it and that shout out to him but bro like I have to have to say LeBron I'm sure they exist for Kevin Durant he hides them that's the issue just like his burners no what are you trying to hide

what's a good point Kevin Duran has never shone off a relationship he will not post your daughter on socials no chance exactly exactly so she's a secret girlfriend yeah Luca Dunchits or Devin Booker maybe Luca

I think I'd have to say Luca seems so like Keep in the family Luca gives me like white boy rage vibes That's good Waiper rage how Luca scares me a little bit

He's a little too quick-tempered on the court. He is, but Devin Booker is dated a Jenner. And so he's over there. He's over there. He's in another spectrum, bro. They're too messy. Different world? Yeah.

Yeah. He also just explicitly tweeted his support for Jonah Hill. Oh, what's a good point? Text messages came out. So this is a no-brainer. You're right. Very red flag. It's Luca Dodgers.

Yeah, why, why even do that? Like, I'm out of the loop. I probably shouldn't look that up, but I will. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. that that was crazy okay Alex Caruso or Austin Reeves oh

Austin Reeves has hair right now so I'll go Austin Reeves Did that have better genetics? Yeah it's so bad this is strictly based on physicality you don't want your what is it your mom's dad

yeah you don't want that in your lineage you know what that is they're equally as rich they're equally as country so what I'm hearing is you're choosing this one based off who will breed you the best grandkids. Like, yeah, I mean, they're both nasty. I mean, listen, it sounds weird like that, but like,

this man was bald before he graduated. Damn, that is crazy. That's the thing. It's like a put. It's such a push that you're just going to take the hair. I feel like Caruso might have better morals, though, man. When your hair goes at such a young age, you go through a lot, bro. Trust me.

Reeves is from Newark. He is? Arkansas. Newark, Arkansas. Oh, okay. I was trying to think, I was like, what? Nobody knows. Yeah, I didn't even know that was a place, damn.

That's hilarious. Yeah, no. Last one. Larry Bird or JJ Reddick? Jay J.J. Reddick. Jay, J.J. for sure. Jerry Bird's kind of a maniac. He's insane, bro.

He'll be trash talking me, my daughter, and the entire family off of the most nonsense stuff. Now, he'll make doing the dishes competitive. facts exactly yeah no not Larry too ruthless but JJ's about to be the next I don't know about the next skip Bayless but he's about to be deep into the ESPN zone hey you see a lot of time away from family oh we're Ernestine Skip Bayless loves Ernestine if that's where he's going not as much as he's hell no bro this man literally told Ernestine that she will always be number two

ahead of LeBron or yeah behind LeBron bro this is disgusting give me yeah definitely give me jay reddick he's always showcasing his kids and talking about his son knox wholesome man skit bail this is a crazy motherfucker yeah bro he was up at 4 a.m. one night and he posted about lebron every night every that was a crazy one it's ridiculous that was crazy it was ridiculous it was 4 a m he took a picture of his alarm bro next to him it was disgusting just be on different schedules yeah That's the last video we got I think we're done here Lucas we appreciate you

Yeah of course You're coming on Lucas This is fun Thank you for having me Yeah don't expect to have it happen again But it was good while lasted Damn yeah y'all need emails on next That should be money

Man If y'all show here comments What should they comment Lucas tell people what to comment wait what is this we're telling the people with the comment if they're still watching oh if they're still watching oh what would you say about mo

what was that phrase marshmallow hunter don't say that oh my god no no this cannot come out to the public I was a marshmallow hunter or yeah yeah let's see that all right

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