The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Small Forward In The NBA | Ep. 151

Episode Date: July 25, 2025

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You see the title. Today, we're ranking the top 30 small forwards in the NBA. No more intro than that. No more thoughts to be said. No more context. Keep the intro music. It's week three of ranking season. How are y'all feeling? Last week we went through probably the most boring position in this entire list, I think. Shooting guards, pretty bleak this year. This one's kind of fun. I feel good.

I feel good. I feel like this is definitely, we're on the way up. Because every year there's like one position that like sucks. We're past that, right? I think we started off very strong with cards We did what we had to do out of just obligation and now we can get into actual Real like real real discourse. Yeah, there's real debates on here I think be very interesting just for the nature of position and like the two way of it all like how important defenses from your

Small forward especially today when you know, it's harder and harder play defensive liabilities, should be some good arguments on this list. Yeah, I think probably this is the best position in the NBA in terms of overall depth, scalability and like overall importance when it comes to like how do it all these guys are. So yeah, this is my favorite list for sure. Yeah. So you guys know how it works by now. We're here for year three, episode three of year three of our ranking season ranking every single position Today we're doing small forwards one quick thing before I get into it

If you guys are avid viewers that watch everything we do appreciate you you will have seen there was no stream on Tuesday That's awesome. People were asking about it in one of our community posts We are entering our offseason phase that we do every year where we take about about six weeks off the lives just because The lives are about reacting to news that week There's no news this time of year in the NBA calendar So we'll bring the lives back probably about the beginning of September Second week September when we get closer closer to media day and preseason But I really want us to talk about Josh to Chloe to the Rockets

They do what are we doing? And I appreciate you for wanting that we're gonna take the next six weeks or so No lives just like we did last year. It'll be the same cadence as always year by year You know your three this show you guys know the calendar right now I think a lot of you guys knew that but for those who didn't know that's why there's no live There won't be one about the next month. We have to put ourselves first Choose me Exactly, if you really miss us, too, we still recording we still pushing out more content over there a house call as well True on this channel house call is videos for you almost every day

but with that being said let's get into our top 30 small forwards of 20 25 as you guys know This is a list that has some Projection always baked into it because we're human and people certain people up here can't help but project for next season But it's largely today how good we think these players are right now based on last season based on You know the context they were in in the context context we think they're gonna be in going forward. Interesting, because it's, I'm trying to think about wasting this rabbit without sounding like I'm projecting,

but there is some projecting. Some players change teams, so you think about the factors are gonna be in play next season, but you're not projecting skills getting better. Yeah, I'm just solely, I put that projection drug down like last year. So I've been super clean over the last two weeks and this is your or week three of me being clean again. I feel really good about this. Honestly, he's relapsing.

You guys gonna see by 21. He's very reactionary to last season. Of course, there's like maybe one player who I have like, okay, I know you had a bad year, but you're not this bad because all these other X factors happening for you. So we'll see. We'll put it to test. There you go. We'll see. We'll see how we follow. We're not going to be ignorant to things that will happen in the future, but we're also not going to give people too much benefit out is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So let's get into it. Let's reveal our number 26 through 30. First off, we have mine. At number 30, I have Max Struz.

At number 29, I have Benedict Matherin. 28, Deandre Hunter. 27, Zachary Risachet. And 26, Derek Jones Jr. This is the role player tier. The one that, this list specifically, compared to the last two, this is just straight role players.

Like these are guys that are, you know, like fifth options on your court at any given time. I guess Benedict Matherin's a little bit different because he's a more of a scorer, but these are guys that are, you know, like fifth options on your court at any given time. I guess, but his math is a little bit different because he's a more score, but these are plug and play three D wings for the most part. Yeah. It's, it's funny because like once we get to really with every position, 20 through about 30 always ends up being like, okay, in the right situation, it really depends on what the rest of your team context is. But all of these guys can start on a on an NBA team like they all they all deserve that, especially Derek Jones Jr.

And Zachary Reese and don't do on your hunter for that matter. Can fit with essentially anybody. These are guys that play off ball, can do stuff with the ball in their hands a little bit when you think about Hunter and hopefully research able to get into that development. Not so much Jerry Jones Jr. But guys that don't need the ball in their hands, we can do a little bit. Mostly strong defenders, not necessarily John Hunter. But I think research and Derek Jones Jr. but guys that don't need the ball in their hands, we can do a little bit mostly strong defenders, not necessarily John J Hunter, but I think Reese Shane, Derek Jones Jr. above average defenders, especially Derek Jones. So plug and play and 99 out of

100 teams. Yeah, we've it's also funny because we've already seen the boost for TJ McConnell for them hard for like, at least for me, like, D Smith got a lot of credit on this list. And they had 29 Benedict Matheson is like, you stay right where you are. No jump, nothing. You are who you are. You know what's so funny? The other day, last week, I went to New York and I saw the most random thing ever. Benedict Matheson was sitting over there on one of the like, they have these new long chairs

where you can sleep or whatever right next to your gate. And I just saw Ben and Mathen. Yeah, not it's not a bench. Some weird long chair. It's not a bench. It's a singular thing too. So it's like a single seat thing. It's not a bench.

So I saw Ben and Mathen sitting there with some other with some other white dude. I guess this is cameraman or offseason blog or whatever. I was just like, bro, like he's sleeping right there, mouth wide open. He's a walking lick right now. Why is this happening? He makes $15 million a year. Yeah, I know. I see his go yard bag just so now I'm like, bro, if I was a bad dude, I'd have myself a day. Yeah, I can see Benedict Matthews and those guys that we've been wanting to

rise up this list for years now. And, you know, he had a, he had strong moments in the playoff run where he had certain games where he Exploded you're like whoa. I see a vision of a guy who could be a real Explosive scorer that can really be a part of an offense that you have to build around with his lashing ability Hasn't really put together for a long stretch of time at all ever really, you know There's reasons he can't stay on the court in that offense for periods of regular season Relating to everything besides scoring but one day if the scoring can be harnessed in the right environment, maybe it is next year with no Tyrese Halliburton, more touches will be needed.

Maybe it'll be next year he finally jumps up higher, but just doesn't have the consistency to be a good enough score to rise up despite the deficiencies. Yeah, I can I can see I can see like us doing this list next year and Matthew being much higher just because like Tyrese is going to be out and so. Bucks need to be gotten. Are you? Yeah. Are you going to be able to play the same style of basketball that you play this year?

Probably not. Like even like no matter how good you feel about Nemhar running the offense, it's going to be different than Tyrese Halliburton running the offense. And so yeah, everybody's going to have to come in and it's going to be an even higher level of pace or basketball where everything is so Egalitarian and everybody has to come in and do their part and we're all you know Part of a team and all the other I guess the math is gonna have to he's gonna have to get buckets He's gonna have to do that. So he'll probably have a better showing, you know this year than he did this last year, but

He he definitely has to be not even reined in, like you said, really honed in on what his skill set is and when and where his scoring prowess gets to be deployed. Yeah. Yeah. This is a reason that someone like Aaron E. Smith kind of came in into that team and took the job that everyone thought Matthew would grow into as the wing on that team between their stars. Way better off all player, way better defender that being a Smith.

Matthew just kind of lacks those team dynamic type of skill set. That makes it really easy to fit 35 minutes a game for you. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Like you, some could argue like, yeah, Ben and Matthew is the more. Yeah. He's a player with more offensive prowess. He gets in line way more.

He's super physical, but his the nature of his style of play just doesn't consistently isn't conducive to winning basketball at times. And there's a reason why, like he is he's still a very good player and super talented. And if we were projecting like, sure, you could argue two Two years ago, then I put it like you put a stupid eye. That's another thing, too. When I saw him sleeping, I was like, you don't know. I embarrassed myself. Just for you to be laying on this damn bench or see whatever with your mouth wide open. What's going on, man? How do you feel about Ruchachet?

Placed on this list. Was he top 30 for you as a Hawks man? Do you feel like he already deserves it? Yeah, I think he was easily top 30 with the skills that he displayed being already walking into the league as one of the best shooters. He had slumps here and there, but as time went on, the percentages went up. He got better and better as each month went on. The defense was very solid. He displayed decent passing chops and also showed that he at times he can create his own shot and the

Potential that being a thing which would which would like increase the ceiling is there Yeah, I think bare minimum like any team any team in the league would love to have someone like Richie say he is the epitome Of that your last 20 games of the season, which you know, I'm not normally gonna what happened in April in March Yeah, but for rookie seasons I think a lot of times you see guys go through the rookie wall midseason and then you can tell a lot by how they close the season after they get through that. 15 points per game, 62% true shooting, 63% from two, which is very encouraging. He really did well inside the arc, which wasn't necessarily the case

because the previous 62 games before that, only 50% from two. So a 13% jump and 38% from three. So obviously, like you said, shot the ball really well and to close the season. Overall, yeah, I was encouraged. He's a guy that is going to be a three and D guy for the most part, but you want him to be able to grow into doing being one of those type of three and you guys, I can do a little bit with the ball in their hands, attacking close outs can be a secondary playmaker in certain bench units. He can take more of a scoring role. Harrison Barnes

on the warriors, like that conflict. Harrison Barnes could do a little bit more than stand there and keep his hands up for the three And I think research a as well along that lines. Yeah, exactly It surprised me just seeing how automatic of a shooter what he wasn't just how I knew was a strength obviously But how strong was I was doing you saw there's a couple times. We had a good game You can my peer talk about clay Thompson. Here's six nine clay Thompson Still in the air Okay, let's get out of the next version. Mo, what do you got from 30

to 26? So at 30 I have Derek Jones, Jr. 29 research, a 28 Bennett at math or in 27 Tori Easton. And I, now that I look at it, I'm like, maybe you belong to the power for this, but he needs to say six, eight, two 15 seems like it's forwarded me small forward and 26 I have the martyrs. Damn. Yeah. Yusin will be on my power forward list. That's why he's not here. But okay, DeMar DeRozan at 26. That's the only thing that stands out here. Everything else, don't care.

You have about, we should save us Derek Jones. That's a fine placement. DeMar at 26, that is low as hell. Tell us about why you hate DeMar DeRozan. I don't hate DeMar DeRozan. Why do you despise DeMar DeRozan? He's a good player. Why do you think DeMar DeRozan is a fraud?

He's one of the better players in the league. He's the 26th best small forward in the league. That means you like the 100th best player in the league. And if you're the 100th best player in the league and the NBA, where there's only like 500 some players in the league, that means you're one of the better players. It's just that at this state of his career and seeing how he hasn't necessarily there's like a few times over

the last five years of his career where you see him try to expand his game and become more of a shooter and at least like be a 35% from the three point line type of threat and taking like three four game over the last few years with the Bulls and then seeing him like regress immediately back to those old tendencies, which I think you can win. And they're still like very, very. Attractive features to that game, because he's prone to get to the line, he's prone to receive a lot of attention. It's just like you're not shooting threes, you're not playing defense, you're not a playmaker. I see those things that I'm just like, how can I win with you?

Well, he's a playmaker to some extent. He's not a bad passer. By no chance. He's not like a huge strength. Yeah, I'm not running offense consistently through you. I don't expect the martyrs to make the most brain breaking plays or anything like that. How do you fit a part of my starting lineup compared to everyone else? You know, yeah, it's tough. No, a few years ago he has some good years. Four years ago, 28 percent of his shots were coming at the rim.

That was 42nd percentile, already a very small amount. You want that to be like 40% or higher for a wing scorer type of guy. You want to consistently pressure the rim, get to the line, create driving kick scenarios. Typically it's a better format for leading good offense by creating pain touches. This season, 11% of his shots came with the rim. Down from 25 last year. 11% of his shots came with the rim. That is a ridiculously small amount for a wing.

Only 17% of shots came from three, also a ridiculously small amount. That second percentile, that means he's one of the three lowest volume three-point shooters at his position, and it's 11% for the rim. So all around, everything that we knew about him when he was younger, being mid-range oriented, and about the perils of that, and how there's highs and lows with that play style, we've talked about that for a decade with DeMar DeRozan.

It's incredibly exaggerated now. It is literally all he does now, while also not being a great defender, getting worse as he gets older, obviously. How could he not? Not a liability there, I'd say, but not above average defender. It's just incredibly hard to play through that and he has a style of play that if he's not gonna be shooting through you have to put the ball in his hands

you have to play through him otherwise he's not gonna be providing offball value you can cut a little bit but it's not he's not Aaron Gordon you're not gonna post him up in these areas of the court where he can play off of the gravity of others you gotta run through him and the areas the court he occupies are just really hard to build a lead offense for. While we're having this conversation, can you, can you put up my, my five as well? Because I have, I have the market at 27. And so my full list I've, I research at 30, modest, Boos Ellis is 29 Benedict, Matthew

and at 28 tomorrow at 27 and then Dillon Brooks at 26. Damn. And so like I, for all the reasons that you guys just said, it's that's why I put them here. And you think about, you think about all the teams that made deep playoff runs and for a guy, for a guy like DeMar DeRozan, if you want to be a part of winning basketball, what do you do to help? Cause clearly, and I think he's even, he would probably also agree to this, he's not the guy at this point in his career

that he's gonna be number one option 1A, right? So what are you doing to help amplify everybody else and help set up your star, your two, your three, whatever? His play style just doesn't do that. And you have to insulate so much, not only defensively, but also offensively. Like everybody else on your team has to be high volume snipers. If you could find people who are shooting 40% from three on eight night at eight nine attempts at every single position Teams would do that. It's very hard to do that So I find it like as I was going through this exercise just like damn like I really I really really liked the Marta Rosen

But I just I don't think I can win with you being Being in our starting lineup Commanding the amount of money that that you do because clearly like he's not described He's gonna average 20 points to the day he retires. Yeah, that's not that's not ever in in question I just don't know how he can be a guy who's getting 35 36 minutes in a Playoff series and then not ultimately come back to hurt the team Yeah, I put him a little bit higher just because actually because he is cheaper now.

He only makes $23 million a year now. He actually isn't a max player anymore, which makes it more palatable. Still still a fair chunk of money. But back when he was commanding the 40 million dollar max, I guess back then it was 30 million. But what would be the 40, 45 million dollar max today? That would be a nonstarter. That would be in a situation like Bradley Beal, where it's like you're getting super max, nothing about your play style is making us Yeah, that'd be tough because he's not there anymore

He's about making half of that He's making solid starter money at 23 million dollars a year like definitely sell makes more than that Jamie Daniels makes more than that like that makes it more palatable to me And I do think there's a world where you can harness those skills better I mean this will never happen or he's not year, because of politics and who he is, the respect he's garnered, if he was a sixth man, would be quite valuable. If you could find the right scenario

where you have the right set of skills, like you mentioned, where everybody's a great shooter, everybody's a great defender, in a perfect environment where you're on a super team, throw him on the Celtics or whatever in place of Jalen Brown, I think he'd be pretty good. I think there's a world to harness that. He's gonna have to get,

he's gonna have to get bought out and go play for the Thunder, think there's a world to harness that. He's going to have to get, he's going to have to get bought out and go play for the Thunder. And everybody's going to have to take a loop. Like that's the, that's the situation that it would take for Damar to be like on a championship level team. And it's like, oh yeah, just go play for the best defense that we've seen

in the last 15 years. Let's go, let's go put you next to a guy who's been first team all NBA and just won MVP. Like it takes that. You say that for anybody. You say for literally anybody. Yeah. So I gave him a little more respect. He's in the next tier I don't have like top 15

but I gave him slightly more respect over a guy like dylan brooks or derek jones who i'm like Good players, but obviously like there's no ceiling there. You're just a very good plug-and-play guy Which matters a lot and you guys know i'll be the first one to say give me the plug-and-play second third option over The guy who can masquerade as a first option, But I gave him a little bit more respect than like 27, which is I feel like, damn, that's crazy. But there's not a big difference to me between the 21st, best small forward 27th. We both think that I'm probably not going to want you on my team.

Yeah. If the defense was better, man, like he would be another tier above for me personally, maybe two tiers. Who knows? But because it's where it's been at throughout his entirety of his career, like we've been talking about, there's no real argument for me in my mind as much as I want to see the consistency. He's like 35 turning 36 next year, as much as like how impressive that is and the tough bucket getting by your definition, like he's

been a bucket for years, bro. He deserves to be higher, but it's just not there's no real argument for that. Yeah, there's been several years now of us kind of knowing these realities, but like salute higher placements. It's kind of just aging out of the grace you can give somebody. He's also on he's also on the worst case scenario right now. The Kings roster is complete bullshit. Everything we just said about him and like how difficult it is, but there is a world you get the right talent, you just went the right way you can maximize him by making everybody else around him cover his weaknesses It's a flip that that applies to Zach Levine that applies to the Montes bonus

They have three extremely limited players making up a majority of their salary cap. It is a nonsense roster. So maybe that's maybe that's really dampening what could be more late career impact from tomorrow Rosen, but I Don't know man It's tough. It's it is yeah, I just feel I see his career and't know, man. It's it's it is. Yeah, I just feel I see his career and I just feel bad because it's constant. Just like disappointment after disappointment. All those years with the Bulls, the Spurs are just like throw away years. He got traded in the second he got traded.

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Episode one will already be out by the time you guys are watching this, should be a good one. Tap in That's 26 to 30 a couple names on here that we haven't mentioned But they'll be in the next year for me. So we'll save them on it's Bozell's conversation Next up Donovan. Who is your 25 through 21 at 25? Daryl Jones jr. 24 Diyandra hundred 23 max throughs 22 Brandon Miller 21 Asara Thompson Brandon Miller is so hard to rank

so hard to rank. So hard to rank. I feel like I always find myself on the hating side of random conversations just because it's so theory based right now because he's so young and has gotten so little reps in meaningful basketball and they got hurt so early this year that like he's by all measurements he's not like an impactful player yet. And that's what he's talented.

Yes. But it's like I'm looking at it and I'm just like what do you do like what like I had a like you said at an impactful level mm-hmm what is your strength because I wasn't able to see it a lot this year and so are we supposed to like for the next two to three years that we supposed to base everything off of what we saw in year one and then even for like Even for him the Hornets are not a great situation For for anybody to play like meaningful basketball. I do think that if you're just saying hey

We just want to get you as many live game reps as possible They probably have one of the better infrastructures to do that where you could just roll the ball out and say go who? Yeah, but also he didn't hoop. He didn't hoop last year. And so he's not an amazing defender. He like doesn't he's not an amazing guy, even being at, you know, six, seven, six, eight, and being as long as he is, he's not amazing at the room. And the shooting is like, it's good, but it's not amazing. He takes a majority of his shots come from mid-range he's not a great mid-range shooter so it's like yeah I don't I don't understand how to how to parse media and everything you're saying isn't necessarily us saying Brandon Miller

sucks is Brandon Miller is young and has played like a season of full games because I guess a little more because he played 74 games year one 27 year two that is so little games to develop. So everything about him conversation wise is like flashes, which is fair. He is still so young. He's 22 years old. Like it makes sense that you're operating on flashes,

which is why people are high on him in general and view him as like a pillar stone there. Well, pillar stone, that's not a word. A cornerstone player there that, you know, you can imagine him in the mellow ball, wherever they draft around that and building it out. Like he's a part of that equation in a very important way. But what this list is about, who's best right now,

who's most impactful to winning, I also put him in this tier. I don't feel good about it. I feel like I'm just saluting the potential when really there's very little impact so far in comparison to veterans who are who they are. I 100% agree with you guys. Brandon Miller, it's so hard to, again, gauge,

to fill in the gap, to gauge what he is. Also he is also because it's like your team has been a dumpster fire and the most important piece and someone who's supposed to like alleviate a lot of Stress intention for you to be efficient more efficient as a player the mellow ball on him only played like 39 games together over the course of two years, yeah faults of to both of their own of course to injury and two years. Yeah. Faults to both of their own, of course, to injury. And when you see a player like Brandon Miller, who is super talented because he's six, eight, six, nine or whatever, super explosive, he's got cutter when it comes to going to the rim. He's genuine. I think he's a great shooter, damn near elite when he's set up in the

right way to do so. But then you look at like the playmaking, it's not there. The assistant turnover ratio is kind of nasty. He started off the year super slow, I think in the first like nine, 10 games, he shot like 35 percent from the field and that trickled over and his efficiency got better right before he got hurt in his whole season, got new. So it's hard to like talk about any redeeming skills or qualities that can put him in the upper echelon. Just like, oh yeah, like he's one of the best at this.

Yeah. And us placing him in the top 25 is like we think he'll be good next year. So we're like, this is the most projection pick on here because you kind of have to get very little go off of. And you'll probably be on the right side of history if you just rank him well right now because you know next year it will probably prove to be right. But it is quite theoretical. He has he has an opportunity Going into going into next year to really really ball himself up not only like on offense But also you look at what the Hornets starting lineup is gonna be and their first three guys where it's lamello

Canipal and then him it's like yeah, who is gonna guard anybody like then him, it's like, yo, who is going to guard anybody? Like how, like, cause Lamelo is going to get targeted for the first, you know, 10 days. They're going to, they're going to put Knipple in every single action. Like Brandon Miller is going to have to be tasked with, can you help cover up any of the, yeah, any of the defenses? So at least on that end, he's going to get the he's going to get the reps. What are you prepared to do? And so I'm I hope that at this time next year we can come back and say, oh yeah, Brandon Miller, that's the top 15, you know, small forward in the league. That's somebody who can actually be

impactful on both sides of the ball. I don't know if that's going to happen though, because again, he doesn't play. Yeah. And again, I think it probably will happen just cuz I hope it doesn't get unlucky with injury two years in a row It's not like he's incredibly injury prone the first year you did play 74 games So I have faith in Brendan Miller still but just know like this is the last year where it's gonna be theoretical Yeah, either next year. He'll either be in top 15 or if it's a similar year to this year production wise efficiency wise Bottom of this list if you make it. Yeah it sucks to say that, but I agree with you because he has an even shorter leash because the team that he's on, they need something from him.

They need something to grasp on. They need some baseline foundation. He was supposed to be a part of that. With Lamello, you can sit down and have all the all crazy types of fanfiction because he's already earned that and he's already been an all star. He's put up crazy numbers and all that before. I am excited for the wing duo. I'm very excited for the window of Conk Nipple and Brandon Miller though. Like theoretically both those dudes six seven to six nine. I think neither one of them will be bad defenders. We'll see if one of them especially brand, can develop into an elite defender one day. But both solid defenders, both can play off ball, both can create inside pick and rolls,

do these empty side ball handling duties, both of them. I like that a lot. I got a question for you. Are you Wizards FC or Hornets FC? Which one? Dude, I missed the origin of that conversation. I don't know why they're beefing, but I've just seen the fallout.

Are they beefing about who has better young core? Is that the start of it? Yeah, exactly. I'm going to start it from somewhere. I'm going with the gypsy. Really? Uh, I would, I would take their, the young court. I mean the young court, I mean the mellow balls and the hornets. So it is them. He's the best player there by far, but he's the most unreliable. So I don't know how to parse that. That's why it's a debate. I'm assuming. Uh, and they're also talking about like the overall success over the last five years and two. Yeah, it thought like that too.

But yeah, I think me personally, I'd rather have the Hornets because the names are better and there is more you can hang your hat on and it feels like I'd for the Wizards. I don't believe that a lot of incomplete players. Lamello is by far the best player here and Alex R is potential, but we got to see it first. It's again, very theoretical. So as of today, the Hornets are the better players, but I might feel better about the Wizards direction I just know but I I disagree with that because

Like Brandon Miller was drafted three years ago or yeah Yeah Two years ago because the guy that they drafted last year doesn't play like your most recent Young core guy in in salon. Yeah does that does not play it didn't blow that one They don't easily the Hornets like if they had drafted Klingon like what's a yeah. Yeah. And argument for sure. Right. The collection is because the top and I hate the horn. Hey, what is FC? I would rather be the wizard. Big wizards over here. Yeah, I think I'd rather be the

wizard GM because you just have this is a this is a new date, new age, new era. Like they completely revamped their stinky allegations as an organization. Trey Johnson hit a lot. Brendan Miller immediately. But I will say to like Alex Sartre, bro, I looked at his efficiency numbers the other day. They're comparable to Frank Kaminsky. You remember him? I do. I do. Stinky, stinky. Yeah, it was not. It was not pretty offensive.

It was worse than I thought. But defensively, I see a defense. So what's the what's the lineup here though? Because you have you have bug I remember these rings go on real quick. But you have but you have bug incomplete. Can't get to the room. Trey Johnson, Sarr and uh, Keishan George and Belal. You have those, you have those five guys. That's not a great line. As opposed to who? Like, like, LaMelo. LaMelo, Knipple, Brandon Miller is quite strong. Yeah. Knipple, OK, you can cancel out Knipple and Trey Johnson.

But you just said that, like, LaMelo is the most unreliable. And then Brandon Miller just played 20 games. Again, LaMelo unreliable is probably some more valuable than Alex Sarr. Yeah. LaMelo being unreliable is still, like, Alex Sarr needs to take a leap before you put him in LaMelo conversations in terms of value. We were talking about trading LaMelo in December. Yeah. Okay. That's for different reasons. That's not about like he's bad player.

We've all said that. If Alex Sarr was the best player in the Hornets, it also wouldn't be pretty. But we all said that like, we don't like we're we don't know if you can win High level basketball games with with lamella ball. Yeah, it's not disqualifying him from being a better asset than the best player in the woods Right now He just said we have more there's a very low bar We're talking about here see but you guys are talking about value as opposed to like if we're building a franchise moving forward Then who are you gonna go with never like that? That no, those are two different things. No, no. I just mean in terms of, okay, whatever.

Next time. I was baiting them. You about to fly out. At 25. Damn. Paul George. 24. Asar Thompson. 23. Brandon Miller. 22. Deandre Hunter and 21 Dylan Brooks. Okay, come on. Thank you. Thank you. I don't want to shake your hand. We got to hand over. He know, because he has the courage that I did not have in this moment because I was thinking

about like how low can I put Paul George? But then also at the same time, I'm like, in a playoff series, I would still rather have Paul George over Dylan Brooks. And Brandon Miller, we just talked about why Brandon Miller is so incomplete and we're projecting to this extent with him and you put him Paul George over Dylan Brooks and Brandon Miller We just talked about why Brandon Miller is so incomplete and we're projecting to the extent with him and you put up all George Malone I could I agree Paul George has taken quite the quite the dive in this ranking obviously 25 is crazy You see that that's crazy. I wish I flipped I should have flipped Paul George and Brandon Miller I think I made an error when it comes to that because I added someone else last minute to my list and Deon your hunter For that matter and I Deon was fucking he was one of the best shooters in the league last year I

disagree with that completely for sure I'm still thinking Paul George he's a way better defender so I understand that but when it comes to Paul George you have to understand you're talking to I'm like Paul George was my guy he's one of the reasons why I'm into basketball and to see how like I'm fine with like the disappointment after disappointment over the last few years of this career That's normal, you know but it's a different level of expectation when Philly gives you whatever they give you and then you go out the way you go out and You come back the whole podcast stuff is really nasty has those you do a basketball But is this like overall morale and as a as like a hardcore Paul George fan, it just

hurts my soul. This man is putting down all the other. He just got hurt literally two weeks ago. We had surgery. Yeah. During during offseason thing, bro. That's why it's tough. I think so too.

Several things are true here. One incredibly disappointing Paul George fell off to some extent. That is unbelievably true. And in that fall off, that means he's a terrible contract because he's paid like he wasn't going to fall off and he did. And the fall off is real. I think it's not a one year fluke just because of injury. He is worse now. He lost a step. He is not as explosive offensively. He doesn't have the juice. He did even in his last year in Clippers when he was already taking a little step back. That is very true. Second thing that's true is he is still a good player. He's just very overpaid. He's still

a very good defender, has active hands, can shoot off the ball. The on ball chops are just not there anymore. He can't blow by anybody. No separation, no separation, but he's not completely cooked. So it's tough because it looks like if he's that player again next year and if God forbid, Joel and beat is there and we have a healthy team and he can really be a second option, third option, even in Tyrese Maxey and like being a more refined role where he doesn't have to do as much ball handling, he can have a good year or he's valuable. That can be as valuable as like McHill Bridges or something, who's like a fifth

option on his team. He can do that. I really admire you. But the other part that makes it hard and why I'm not going to grill you for putting 25, you could also say this man's hurt. He's old. He's lost a step. I really admire you. But the other part that makes it hard and why I'm not going to grill you for putting 25, you could also say this man's hurt. He's old. He's lost his step. He keeps getting hurt. He keeps getting older. Maybe when it rains and pours and this is the

beginning of an immediate fall off and this might net this might age well because you could tell me next year if it keeps on going. He is in a terrible place. Yeah. If that injury didn't happen a couple of weeks ago, he would have been higher on this list. But for that on top of like all the other stuff that happened last year, it hurts even more, bro. Yeah.

I had him lower than this actually before I sent him the list. I'm going to give him one more chance. Same. One more. Why were you going to say you admire me? What were you going to say? Oh, because you really do a good job of just looking at the positive. Because it's very clearly, and I feel foolish kind of binding into this now because you're like, you know,

if everything kind of goes right for the Sixers and and and beat is there and Max is there, that's not happening. That's that's not happening. We're not going to get a full season of MB. We're not going to get a full season of Paul George. But the fact that you were able to even think about it like that is a very glass hat full and I do Admire that from me. So there's there's that I'm with you though. I think at the end of next year this will make sense because the It's also very very ironic that the sixes fans was like get Tobias Harris out of here He's so overpaid and then boom you replace him with another guy who just also just massively overpaid at this point

Worse because he don't play it's even worse because you don't play. I mean Like that with Tobias. Yeah, you're right Paul Joseph still finished the rim. He's still big notice that he uses length shot 73% there He stills a good shooter. He weirdly enough shot 28% from the corners this year, which killed his percentages But he shot 38% on non corner threes. I'm willing to call that a fluke I don't think he forgot how to shoot from the corners this year, which killed his percentages, but he shot 38% on non-corner threes. I'm willing to call that a fluke. I don't think he forgot how to shoot from the corners. That'll be fine. His long main range jumper is still there, 44%.

The problem is all the in-between stuff, the Florida range stuff, all the creative stuff that you need to have, burst, create separation, can't do that very well at all anymore. That's gone. But he is still a good defender. I was still impressed with his ability to

know that the offensive juice is gone and apply that energy to defense You could see the effort night a night out that he was like I want to make an impact somewhere I'm gonna get into these passing lanes. I'm gonna do what I can I'm gonna be long There is a world to me that role player Paul George can very very effective Yeah, he has to go and you know do all the little things the dirty work. Yes and keep it moving exactly Yes, I have my shift change.. But to me, it's not impossible. I don't think that's he like everything about his game

screams I can be a role player if I scale down to me. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. I just need to see it first. And I'm just going to be a software. Can he do that? I think he definitely has. He's like the perfect player for that type of archetype,

considering where he was over the last few years. Paul George might be the most like NBA scalability. He has all the tools to do this. He has all the tools to do that. It 100% just comes down to like as that guy who's coming over and you just got this massive contract, I know you 100% think of yourself in that way. Can you, like you said, mentally get yourself to the position

where it is Maxi's team? It is in beads team and you are fitting in on that on that third spot to do that again Yeah after doing that to James Harden and and Kawhi like I don't know how that you said that as a joke He is like one of the most scalable players in every history though Like that is his whole thing is that when he's a superstar like he is incredibly scalable So I do have faith that can continue to apply but you're right, it's all about the personality. There's a similar, not similar in terms of the skill set, it's very different, but it could be reminiscent

when Mello got a little washed and you couldn't play through him anymore, and he had those couple years where he was hard-headed, and then he had left the league for a year because nobody wanted him, then he came back with the trailblazers and kind of had a renaissance when he bought into that role a little more mentally.

I don't know if Paul George will have the couple years where it's going terribly because he won't buy into it. I don't know. Hopefully not because he was there for the Mellow fall off and saw it in front of him. So hopefully he's more open to that and go straight to the Portland era. Shout out to the Los Angeles Clippers.

I remember when they decided to just let Paul George walk and they made it known, we do not want you. Bye. Everyone was grilling them. I wasn't on their case. You was on the case you were on the case We thought it was cooked because they don't have none of their future picture like bro Who's gonna fill in the gaps? Kawaii don't be quite don't be there James Harden is there cool

But he needs someone to go get buckets to and give buckets to they dodged a bullet of a lifetime And we don't give the Clippers enough whenever you talk about them. We always make fun of them because yeah, they're the second team in LA They are the Clippers, but they've been one of the more competent organizations just continuously making the good and the right decision over the last like 10 to 15 years. And this right here has definitely saved them considering their contract situation and situation of not having any picks over the next three years until I think the year 2020 or 2030, which sucks. So thank God they let Paul George walk so they

could eventually get to a place where they can replace him on Bradley Beal. Let's fucking go. Hey man, I'm not going to listen. Five million. Yeah, I'm kidding. They did a great job. Retooling. Yeah. Next up I'll do mine. 25, Brendan Miller. 24, Amadas Buzellis. 23, Andrew Wiggins. 22, Dylan Brooks. 21, Demar DeRozan. Wow, you are high on Amadas Buzellis.

You have him the highest. I love that. I wanted to put him on the list, but I'm just like, him or Zachary Ritchie say, I'm showing love to Zachary. The reason why I put both of them at the bottom of my list was just because I want to see it this year. This is projection like a motherfucker for sure.

Not really. I mean, it's something I did with Zachary. She says last 35, I did 35 games instead of 20 last 35 games, 13 points per game, 61% true shooting, 20% from two, 37% from three second half of the season. His three ball was falling. He's a good slasher. Can move in space with a ball in his hands. I think he's already like a really good offensive wing and defensively he's a good shotasher can move in space with a ball in his hands. I think he's already a really good offensive wing. And defensively, he's a good shot block reverse position.

Obviously, he's a rookie, so it's going to take time for him to get to be an actual impactful team defender, making the right rotations, doing all that stuff. But I think he's already pretty good and has clear tangible skills that are very useful for wings to win now. I think if he was in the playoffs making a run with a good team, he would already be an impactful player

off the bench. Yeah, I can get with all of that. I was projecting up at him top 15 I think he's gonna be a starter. I think he's gonna be the best player in his draft class easily I think that's I don't disagree You just early you're just a little bit earlier than me. Yeah, it's fine And you you said all of the the tangible things. It's the intangible dog This is I mean he the in terms of levels, he's at he's at the top, especially when especially when you start putting him up against a lot of the other young players in his class or even like a year before you're after coming in this year. I I love the way that he plays and the way that he attacks the basket.

There's so much confidence and there's so much force. And so like just- And it's so unique too. He's so twisty and windy. He's like a corkscrew the way he just like dives into defenses. Yeah, and so I really do like that because a lot of times you see guys who are like,

his height of like six, eight, six, nine, whatever. And you're like, oh, why aren't you, why can't you just go to the rim and just yam on somebody? Yeah and a lot of a lot of times some of that is just because their body type and the way that they move is is a Little bit different But sometimes it is you just don't want to do that and you aren't utilizing this specific advantage that you have and so for a brazil It's to be able to go and be very forceful going, going to the rim, I do feel really, really good about him as you know, as, as a slasher, as somebody who's going to the rim all the time, making his impact there in the paint.

I love that. Yeah. From February 1st onwards, 67% at the rim, 46% from mid range, 37% from three, especially 39% from the corners. If you can hit a corner three and be an effective driver as a secondary ball handler, it's pretty easy to be a good wing. You could play for me. Yeah, you could play for me. He is a good player already. And like Brandon Miller has, again, this is only 35,

33 games, so it's a small sample size, a cherry pick to some extent. It's more than Miller's whole season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he played a lot. But like, Brandon Miller has never showed a stretch that efficient, albeit Brandon Miller is more on ball. So the role is not one to one at all.

Buzella's is where we play finisher. I think it's quite valuable to be an elite, efficient play finisher as a rookie for an extended period of time post-all-star break. I think it's completely real. I think that's just who will be next year. It's so interesting because modest Buzellas didn't get prioritized at all.

And so they went ahead and they rebuilt or restructured whatever the hell you want to call it. Chicago did not until they unloaded some town. They needed more minutes to come out of his position is when we started to see natural uptick in upscale and production. And I wonder how it would have like fared if he played like that or got that position and responsibility since day one. Yeah, I don't know. It's probably good for him to grow into that and get his feet under him because it worked out well.

But yeah, the total season numbers be very different. And Andrew Wiggins pains me to put him this low, but it's been three years since he shot league average from three. He has been three years since he shot league average. Listen, man. Look, he's he's been going through a lot several years ago and I understand that but Even even like getting traded in in the middle of the season now the way he did Listen the way he was playing it in Golden State before he got traded that was that was kind of nasty

It was a little better in Miami like this past season. He shot like 37% from three on six attempts Did he? I did. Did I misread that? Yeah. So it's like for the whole season? Yeah and the season before yeah I think you just misread it. When he went... I didn't misread that. His split in Miami. All of that was not true. Yeah. His split in Miami. What did he shoot? So in Miami he shot 38% oh sorry, sorry, 36%. And before before that with the warriors, it was 30%. I was thinking the wrong person. None of that was true. Yeah. Yeah. So I so especially like after after he gets, who was that looking at? Just traded like, I feel, I feel good about where we're in that. And his role, especially since 22 has been very very very defined in terms of what people would like him to do and How he's able to be impactful so would I like like I could say this for anybody but?

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Andrew Tony. Yeah, so that's why I put them lower because I was to your Tinker everybody at some point. I had him like 18. Then I was like, it's been two years of bad shooting. It's hard to justify that with Wiggins inside the Arc stuff. So I would have kept them a little bit higher than. OK, cool.

Next year. Don't know who you have in twenty to sixteen. So at twenty, I have R.J. Barrett, 19 Michael Porter, Jr., 18 Aaron Smith, 17 Herb Jones and at 16, I got Andrew Wiggins. Interesting. You know, it's crazy. What's up? Forgot about R.J. Barrett. Did you like him? Forgot about him. What's up for about RJ Barrett?

He's such a forgettable player I get it and so many I would do where I would arrange him Honestly, like I think I think around this this ranges is fine He's such an interesting player because like he's a type of dude who over there in New York Of course he was expected to be the guy the fixes the franchise clearly wasn't that. And he got inserted into offense and a new scheme where he just had played the best basketball of his career and was the most efficient of his career. As soon as he got traded into the Raptors because he based he benefited heavily off of emotional offense. They do really creative stuff over there in Toronto and he's not expected to be like, I'm gonna kill you one on one.

And I saw once in a while, of course, like he is an NBA player who has plus athleticism, so we can do that, but he's not necessarily the guy to go in and do so, but he has a really good all around game can do a little over play making here and there. The shot has been better over the last few years. I don't think he's better than the other guys because in my mind, I see 19 and onwards. You guys are like a specialist at something on the court, and I don't think RJ very deserve that tag just yet.

You know, last year we did this list. We ranked him pretty highly because that 30 game stretch after he got traded to Toronto and he was slashing his ass off. He shot 72% at the rim in those 32 games in 2024. And we were like, hey man, this is who he is. He figured out the right spot for him. We'll give him credit. And I think we all ranked him pretty fucking high.

Probably. That fell 11% at the rim this year. And obviously that team was in a terrible situation with injuries, so the spacing was horrendous. Not entirely his fault, but yeah man, we gave him a lot of credit. After that jump he made in the small sample size, we were like, fuck it. This is who you are. We want this to be true.

Yeah, it wasn't. He had a good year last year too. He had 21 shot 35% from the three point line, 46% from the field. Good year. But there's a reason why these guys looked at you were like, yeah, we want to, we want to trade for some like brand name, you know, there's telltale signs and reasons, you know? Yeah, that's fair. Herb Jones is 17. I struggled with his placement. I put him higher, obviously, as a certified Herb Jones, Dan, best defender on the list, potentially top three defender on the list, potentially at worst. It's tough because he had one great season as a shooter than last year, the poor season before he got hurt. They got hurt pretty early on. So most of the time, if someone's like true one of the best defenders in the NBA, I'm

like, I'll push him towards 10, but he hasn't shown quite enough offensively for quite enough years consistently. So I can understand digging him a little bit, but I'd certainly put him at least 15. He's, he's in the top half of the league for me. Yeah. Yeah. I can agree with that. I just think that he is, when it comes to looking at all the other guys, excluding one specific player, maybe two

actually, he is the worst shooter. That's why I did leave him outside of the top 15. But again, I feel perfectly fine with squeezing him in there as well. He does feel like a top 15, small forward in the league, because his defense is truly game breaking. Outrage your your organization damn near bro. Yeah, it was was when I was when I was looking at the numbers for Trey Murphy and looking at his on off stuff the year prior when Herb Jones had like his best season. That's the only

year that had Trey Murphy had a positive on offer for defense. You look back and it's like, oh yeah You're playing with your jumps. Yeah, that's that's what it was Yeah, well other than that, I understand this section. We'll keep moving to the next person At 20, I have michael porter jr 19. I have paul george 18. I have aron wiggins 17 I have cam johnson and at 16. I have brendan ingraham I'm very curious what your next year looks like because I feel like we like our tears are like flipped like so several of these guys are my next year. So I'm very curious. We swapped Ingram is kind of hard to rank.

I gave him a better for the doubt because I think it was good, but it was a completely wasted year. And it's been a long time since we seen him play winning basketball on a team that is suited for him. So I can understand why you think him. When I get to names above him, we'll see who you have. I'm just like, I just feel like if I'm building a team and I can put everybody in the right situation, decide who I want, I just feel like Ingram is better than a lot of these guys.

Ingram is just, he's in that weird tier of player where it's like, I don't know where you fit. And like, you're clearly talented. You can go out. You can get a bucket. But like, but how do we build around you? I do feel like you have to be in a like 75th percentile type of situation for it to work.

And so it is very hard. And I don't feel that way. I feel like he's pretty he's a wing that can shoot off ball, play on ball, contact closeout, five assists per game, can be a good passer. His defense is iffy. There's been years where he's engaged. I think he defends pretty well. They hear a couple of years ago and the Pelicans had a good defense and Willie Green had been defending well, I think, a good year. But then there's been other years where he doesn't try it all.

He's Travis defensively. So that's the part you need a good coach, I think, to get the most out of him. But offensively, I feel like he can fit most places. Maybe it's just like the fact that the pelicans were so badly constructed that like that's that's jaded. Like I can't I can't agree with that right now. I am just I am really low on Brandon in room right now.

I don't blame you one thing about running your men a part of the reason why I haven't way with that right now. I am just I am really low on Brandon. I'm right now. I don't blame you. One thing about running your men a part of the reason why I haven't way higher for sure, but I can understand your placement because over the last few years of his career, he's never healthy. Bruh. The last time he played like bare minimum 70 games was his rookie year, you know, it's been that it's that crazy and he's consistently found themselves in just like unfortunate situations. You reviewed as the guy, of course, I hate to say it, but the next

Kevin Durant long lengthy score and the next thing you know, LeBron gets traded to your team or signed to your team and he steals all your mojo. Then you go ahead and get shipped to New Orleans has the opportunity to grow a flourish. He did that. And he's a very, very good all around player. He just doesn't have any. I think the reason why you feel like he feels hard to fit around certain teams is because he doesn't Have any like oh, you're one of the best he doesn't have any superpowers necessarily just yet He's just really good at a lot of things. Yeah, exactly. It's mid-range scoring I would agree with that and for that to be like your do thought when it comes to thinking about his superpower

You that feels like, okay, no, listen, you know, my placement of him and placing to Marta Rosen is very much flirting versus harassment. I'm definitely not digging him for things I think to Marta Rosen for it because they play very similarly. But the difference is Ingram can shoot off ball. You can spot up and does she respectful percentages. He also isn't nearly enough volume there or at the rim. But it's like it's just the, I can save him type of placement

where I'm like, I know you can do better if you're in a good situation. You've been in bad ones and you haven't elevated them. And I'm just right now, as I'm looking at BI, I just, I don't want to go through the trouble of trying to save him right now. And so that's why for me he's at 60. Yeah, see, I don't feel like it's a lot of trouble,

but I understand it. I just feel like he's's a lot of trouble, but I understand it. I just feel like he's been dealt about hand, but very bad hand on a consistent basis. And I even think like the first harassment thing is a little bit overblown because he shot like six threes a game last year. 37 percent. He's been routinely like a good three point shooter. He's only had like maybe two or three bad years. Yeah. Last year was his biggest in that short span for his highest volume. Three point shooting was 33, 33 percent of his shots. Previous year was 22, previous year, 18, previous year was his biggest in that short span for his highest volume three-point shooting It was 33 33 percent of his shots previous year was 22 previous year 18 previous year 21

But before that hit two years also in 130 So he's like very much the most needs to be in a good year in a good coach Because he has such bad habits that he can go into but like if he had the privilege of being drafted to an elite coach that was the right coach for him from day one and Completely molded in the right way and got the most of him every single year he has like he could have like a consistent all-star career or a Michael michael beasley career where it's like it can go either way waste of potential Yeah, it's very much which flip of the coin situation wise is in any given year

Yeah, i'm most surprised you put cam johnson solo too. That's what i'm saying. What's what's his next year look like? Yeah, I feel like he the camp the cam johnson stuff is just like if it's health I get it. It's it's loke. It's I feel like it's not talked about with cam johnson a lot, but like the health is yeah a thing for him. And so I am I am a little bit worried about that And so like I can I can see a world honestly where I would have them above Brendan Inger, but they both get hurt a lot and it does not I'm like Especially if you're like trading for for for what Denver did to get him shout out to them like getting off of Porter's contract Doing all that stuff

I feel like if anybody else were to make a move for cam johnson giving up the the assets where we all thought it was You know at least two first-round picks for him, which I guess doesn't really matter anymore but For that level of player to not be available on in a role where you know that you actually are gonna need him like Denver's Gonna rely on him a lot this year And I I don't know if he's gonna be there all the time I think he'll leave the NBA in corner three points made on him a lot this year. And I don't know if he's going to be there all the time. I think he'll lead the NBA in corner three points made.

I think he's going to be hopefully available and going to be incredibly impactful. Yeah, I think he's going to shoot 40% from the field next year. He's going to be, you're going to feel the impact of defense to be that Mike Moore Jr. wasn't, he's grown, but he wasn't like, he's not the level of defender that Cam Johnson is.

Not to say he's like, Cam Johnson's a stopper. That's what I'm saying. For sure. That's probably, that's probably kind of neutral. Okay, I give on ball defense I give more credit credit to can okay, Michael Porter. You can't fight over his green and save his life. So maybe is that yeah, that's Okay, my tier here at 20. I'm Michael Porter jr. At 19. I have Trey Murphy the third at 18 I have a star Thompson 17 Mikhail Bridgesges, 16, Jaden McDaniels. Ooh, man. My list is so, this is the most divisive list that we have. Yeah, we're flipped.

Yeah. Yeah. We're both of y'all. Wow. Okay. So the number one thing for me, I think the biggest discrepancy that I have when it comes to your list is the problem. Jaden Mcdown is who I was looking at. He's the one that shot 33% from three the past two years, not Andrew Wiggins. Okay. I flunked Andrew Wiggins credibility when I meant to ding Jaden McDaniels. That's why he's 16 and not in the top. He hasn't shot good from three in a long time consistently. Okay.

That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. Trey Murphy, the third at 19 just feels so wrong. Oh yeah. Y'all are doing a lot. You are doing a lot of projection with Trey Murphy off of him getting touches on a bad team and like showing flashes. I'm also with you that like he's going to be really good, but like he was just handling the ball a lot on a garbage team playing

meaningless basketball. Like I don't think he's, he didn't have a good defensive season to pair with definitely on ball chops. So I need to see him actually be able to contribute on a team that is trying to win as a wing that can one play defense, which is very important and actually be able to channel the on ball stuff in a way that makes sense because it's easy to do that when you're the only guy on a team full of injuries. And as you and East Missy out there playing who killing basketball with nobody

else around you, because everybody's hurt, that's not going to be the team environment next year. He's going to have to play off of other ball handlers that demand attention. So he has to go back to playing off ball and harness that. I think he can see it. Rebuttal. That will be the team. They will get hurt like that. That's going, that's going to happen. I 19 is I think like having 19 is dirty. This, this three player stretch of bridges asar and murphy is so interesting because like asar One of the best defenders on on this list just can't shoot to save his life and it's so pigeon

It's so like limiting in terms of like how you run your your offense because you know You're gonna be right there in that dunker. Are you got lower than right? Yeah I had him at 21. Counterpoint he's one of the best defenders alive on the planet. I understand that that's why it was it was kind of hard and I was thinking like in a I guess like for the Pistons you're gonna you're gonna make the the adjustments like you swapped out Beasley you swapped in Rob Duncan Robinson from Malik Beasley, all that. You'll probably have some more shootings. So you can, you can play around it. And when somebody is that impactful defensively, you do have to give them credit. It also just is very hard where in a,

in a playoff series, can I have you on, on the floor? If the other team, like if, if the other team is able to, to really, really expose that or be in a position where they can make sure that like we don't even have to guard you, how does that work? That's the only reason why I had him at 21, but I agree he's one of the best defenders on the planet. Yeah, I think the reason I didn't dig him too much, obviously the three point shooting is a big factor. If he was a good three point shooter, he'd be top 10 and he'd be closer to where a man is,

who's close to that, he's in that range, you know? I think he can do a lot of things that men can do as a cutter, as essentially paying power forward. He's just not on a team that it makes sense for him to do that, so he's not using that way. His athleticism isn't weaponized as well as a men's is. They're not that different as players, you know? I think a man does have some things that are better,

which is why he's like two tiers higher, but I do think he could be used better in that way The main thing is obviously he was hurt and kind of held his development back But I just gave credit because I think his defense is so impactful that makes up for that None of the guys in this range are guys that are gonna be like your best players or anything, you know Say Jamie downs kind of the next year break. He really belongs in next year But I think this tier starts with mckill bridges on onward I think his defense is much better than train Murphy's offense And I guess you obviously train Murphy's defense is passable

So he's a better offensive defensive player than chamber than the sorry is offensively But I think you can't understate just how good as our is defensively like he's within sniffing distance of her Jones levels No, that's that's fair and the shooting is why he's a different like spoiler. Obviously, Herb Jones is next year. That's why he can't shoot at all and Herb Jones can. But a star is truly one of the most gifted defenders alive, like defensive playmaking, playing passing lanes, steals blocks, everything on ball defense, fighting over screens. Like he is one of the best defensive players of this decade. If he can, if he can be passable offensively, he will be a top 10 small forward. He is. Yeah, I can understand that. I'm just so stuck on the Trey Murphy thing so much, because I can understand how you can think we're doing a lot with it because he was on a bad team last year. Someone has to take those shots. But I don't think his growth necessarily was like he just simply getting more shots And that's why you see the production going up and he put up like impressive numbers last year or whatever

I think when I think of Trey Murphy as a player He came into the league as a good shooter great shooter, especially like catch and shoot That was his redeemable quality, but this past year. I think that the depth in his shots looks a little different. I think he improved a lot when it comes to his ball handling. He did. So not the greatest, but he made like a massive improvement, which also in turn, like made him a score with levels to his game and give him a pathway to become, I don't want to say an all-star, but he's definitely one of those players who can flirt with an all-star team one day. And think this is a fun place in for that. I think so two things are true I agree with what you're saying about his skills. He's a very skilled shooter and can slash that's a good combination

The playmaking needs to come around for him to be able to be an on-ball player Yeah, predominantly with other stars there But I do think he'll be a very good off-ball player who's obviously great shooting range can run in transition can attack off the close Out can do some weak side stuff But I also do think that the main difference was he got to shoot more. Like he's always been good at those things. He has gotten better, especially with the ball in his hands.

The dribble moves have just become way more developed. But I do think it's true that the main difference in him in the year prior was he got to shoot more. And that's, but that's also like, some people get that opportunity in art and aren't able to take all of their skills and actually translate it. So I do think that the fact that he was like,

okay, go play this style of basketball and was fairly like detail at it. I'm okay with that. I don't feel like it was, it's not like he had like an All-Star push or anything where I was like, I gotta reward this. Cause he showed he's just graduated to the next caliber. I think stars will come back and he'll,

I already, I get, I think he's good. I don't feel like I, I feel like JD McDaniels, McHale Bridges are two of the best role playing wings in the NBA. Like I feel like he's a good company here. Yeah, I feel like for Trey Murphy. I view him in a sounds weird what I'm about to say, but I view him in a similar light to he's not there yet, but I think he can be there in a similar light to someone like Jamal Murray where okay, Like you're not uplifting a team for team is shit. The mom or he's not making this team any better at all

But I think he's a fine fantastic complementary piece. No, it's fine. So what's up? I think I ranked him on Murray at 17 on this point Yeah, exactly and I think like when he is at his best it needs to be alongside a Superstar level players on Williamson of course or whatever ends up happening with Trey Murphy in the Pelican situation. And I think looking at him at his best, which he did show that he has certain skills to go ahead and alleviate pressures from a certain level of player who receives gaudy attention, he's going to be great.

He's going to be amazing. And I think that alone deserves him to be on another tier because I can't see the same things It's entirely different when it comes to our Macau bridges and Jada McDaniels is a different level of scoring that he can provide But we just haven't seen it yet. He's a bad defender He's yeah, he's not he's not a positive defender. Yeah, he's bad and like that matters a lot for a wing But it helps is that similar to Michael Porter jr. He's big and he's long sure he can affect shit They're all they all are there small fours. They're all big and long in this range like That's the difference is I think his defense is something that he needs to get better at

I think I've really I've realized a lot this year and maybe I'm no it's a bad defensive environment Maybe he'll look better in a better environment with the team I don't think they're gonna have a great defensive infrastructure next year So I don't know if I'm going to necessarily assume it gets better just because they're trying harder. Yeah, but I think his defense is not great compared to some guys above him. And I think we overlook it because the flashing is all offensively. And again, I love Trey Murphy. This is not an insult to me. I think I might just like the guys in the next

year more than you guys do, because to me, I think 12 through 19 are all extremely good. And this is like everything you're saying. I agree with. I just think this is a fair version of that. Okay, but I love to remember the hardest one was me kill. It was Jamie Daniels who well, I was by earlier. It made it sound like it was just simply three more percentage or lower. It's not that's like he's an amazing defender. Last you don't like Jamie. No, he likes him, but he's so up and down because he's up and down. He likes him but he's so up and down. Cause he's up and down.

Yeah exactly he's so up and down. There were so many times last year where we were like bro like the leap is crazy he's fucking here and then he goes back to being like yeah. And that's why I just feel like you are in a majority state of disappointment when it comes to Jaden McDaniels. I mean at this point I'm not disappointed cause it's just who he is. He just didn't make the next star leap with the ball in his hands that I kind of hoped he would a couple years ago.

And I was really high on him. But you know, his first half of last year, the offense was a disaster. Second half of the year, he brought it together. It coincided with Julius Randall and Gobert figuring out their spacing. And everything clicked at the right time. They made the run.

He was good in the playoffs. But it's just so up and down. The three-level scoring to start the year was disastrous. And I'm not going to forget that. That was a big chunk of the season. Yeah. They'd be a higher seed if I wasn't so disastrous, like that matters. And you judge him at his best days. He can take over games defensively. He can do crazy play finishing stuff. There's some games in the playoffs against the Lakers where he was just

dominating them interior cause they had no bigs on the team. Then there's a lot of other games where he is average offensively still a good defender but like Asar Thompson to me is meaningfully better defensively and I think Tim Wools fans consider him like one of the best defensive wings in the NBA and he is amazing his rim protection is very underrated from that position he's a very good interior defender I don't think he's one of the best all-mall defenders in the NBA he's the best one and he gets't think he's one of the best on ball defenders in the NBA. He's the best one. He gets tough assignments. He's very good. But the defense doesn't carry him to the top 12, top 15, the way it might feel like a Herb Jones, who I think is meaningfully better defensively. Yeah.

OK, I still like him a lot, but I think that the next five are like very good players. That's I think probably the biggest disconnect. Who's the next five next up? I have Aaron Smith at 15, Paul George at 14, Cam Johnson at 13, Herb Jones at 12, Denny of D at 11. OK, so Paul George is too high. But outside of that, I don't hate your tier. I feel like we have some similar placements here.

I mean, Denny at 11, I feel like. I thought about him. Yeah, like Denny has a very, very real case to be a top 10 small forward. You know, as a pretend, I'll just say it, Brandon, I'm saying I debated so long between that. That was such a mentally difficult thing for me to do because Denny's better last year was like definitely better.

But I'm like what I said earlier, I think they have a lot of similarities with their, actually no they don't, but they have a similar level of offensive acumen to me, where I want them to be like a secondary wing who can do good ball handling stuff, can be a driver, can be a secondary scorer. Denny is a better defender last year. Brandon Miller, Brandon Ingram to me

is a meaningfully better passer. So that was kind of the distinction where I was like, damn, better defender, better passer, both solid, not great scores. I went with Ingram just because I do think, like I said earlier, I think when Harn is the right way, he does have a higher ceiling, the better shooting matters to me, the passing matters to me. But that was incredibly tough. Like Denny, if you asked me four days ago, maybe I would have put Denny number 10. Yeah, I think I would take Denny in that specific instance just because I Also think it's it's really cool Like he's been on trash teams and I mean the Blazers last year weren't trashed us

But you know like they're not a winning team last year and so for him to be able to have have the leap that he's had and then they actually be Like meaningful and contribute to win some the blazers have one of the better defenses especially in like the second half of the year for their defense to be as good as it was and It's not just to money. It's not just you know, cleaning it like Denny's also a part of that as well Definitely, so I'm I'm very high on on Denny And so I I do think that he could have a case for for the top ten But everybody else like I mean, we kind of talked about,

the person I guess that we haven't said anything about yet in Neesmith, hey man, shout out to you. Sniper from hell, and he, bro, he raises value like a motherfucker, bro. I will never forgive him for what he did. Neesmith was a late riser on my list. I'm just, I'm going back and forth to every position, every plus spot in this list comparing to each other,

and I'm just like, damn, I think Niesmith is within striking distance defensively as some of the guys right behind him. Like, Jay McDonnells is a better defender than him. It's not a gigantic gap. Niesmith is a great on-ball defender. Ridiculously physical road. Ridiculously physical, can fight over screens,

erase screens. Jay McDonnells has more value as an interior defender, overall better defensive player for sure. But dude, Niece Smith isn't just a good shooter, he's an amazing shooter. He's one of the best shooters in the league. Like shooting 42% from three is on, with that quick trigger, with that amount of spacing

and pressure he provides, we saw who he did to the Knicks, you have to play up on him where he will let it fly, can get hot any moment. Like his offensive acumen, he's way more valuable offensively than Jamie Daniels does even on his good days when Jamie Daniels is slashing well the shot is falling from the corner he's giving confidence basing Nish with is still more impactful like he is incredibly even still somehow underrated as a shooter I think yeah I agree coming out of college if you were to talk up like we were early we talked

about how I called someone like Zachary Richie say like the next Clay Thompson He's Clay Thompson like this dude right here coming out of college was Vanderbilt specifically he was viewed as the next guy. He was a sharpshooter from hell See me gosh cut short a little bit in his draft Stock fell because of that he ended up on the Bosnian Celtics didn't necessarily get the opportunity that was Deserved because they already had gotaudy people at that position. And to see how he's like revitalized his career and finally come into form of like what his potential and expectation was supposed to be is amazing.

And when you think about like three and D players, players who don't give you too much in terms of scoring, scoring long twos or necessarily like expecting them to get to the room or break down your defender to the ice. So just people like him, he is top five. Top five easily. Yeah. And we go back to the trademark conversation and you guys were like, why don't you have him higher?

I think he's within striking distance of the similar talent, but if I'm trying to win a championship today and you tell me I got a draft across the league and build the right team, I'm obviously going to have my stars on my team, whatever my lead ball handler is, my star big. If I want to win four rounds of the playoffs, I'm taking Aaron E Smith. That's not a hard conversation for me. I understand that the Norris Pelicans will do that to you. I understand that. That's not a hard conversation for me. He's a solid, he's not incapable of

finishing at the rim. Obviously he doesn't have the ball handling, he's a creator there, but he can be a play finisher there. He can run one of the best shooters in the NBA, makes him incredibly efficient. Doesn't know he's not going to be a big ball handler to harm you either. He's just going to play his role and play his ass off defensively. Like that he's like Lou Dort, but not quite as stiff. Like in terms of the way you're going to play him, he's going to shoot the ball and guard your team's best player, fight over screens.

I'd rather have that than the theory of Trey Murphy right now. I can understand that. When it comes to Trey Murphy, there is like he did produce really well last year. I think when it comes to me thinking about him in a winning situation, there could be argument made where I'm like maybe projecting a little bit. But no, I think he's actually like that. And I think I would rather have him over in the Smith.

But it's because of the level of defense than the crazy disparity it is. I'm cool This has to be some just like small sample size. This is the only year it's ever happened. So I'm up in too much talking to this This the pet the Pacers offense was nine points for her possessions better when he's with on the court last year He's 96 percent out offensive on off dude. He's a flame. He's a positive offensively, too So he's plus ten point one overall with him on the court. That's fucking ridiculous. I almost thought that can't maintain. But even the year before that is for sure the Pacers has a full time starter, I think. Actually, no, maybe wasn't full time. But year before that plus 3.7, he's still been positive two years in a row. That's insane. when when Neymar is running the offense and TJ Mcconnell's running offense and there's no Tyrese like it's gonna look different obviously this next season, but Man, I stopped. I said I have nightmares. I should come higher No, I don't think honestly if he's gonna be shooting this well still he's a better defender than Cam Johnson I put him a little bit higher because he's a little more a little more creation with the ball in his hands can do a

Little more pick and roll stuff a little more passing but just a little bit It's not like I'm wanna I'm not gonna run that through Johnson. It's just a little bit more offensive versatility, but honestly, the defensive gap might be bigger. Honestly, he probably you'd rather have Herb Jones than Neesmith. I don't know something about it. I think that right there is probably fair. I don't, I don't like the came Johnson argument necessarily. I'm sure like throwing in injuries and all that. Then, okay, I get it. But when it comes to Herb Jones, now we're talking and I

think I'm even thinking back on this too I probably should have put Neesmith higher than Herb Jones for sure because obviously Herb Jones is a different tier level of defender yeah but Neesmith is no slouch but he's also like one of the best shooters in the league and that means so much. They should be right next to each other I'll say that yeah because one's a better defender one's better offensive player both if Herb Jones is who he was a year and a Half ago when he was shooting 39 for 7-3, then it's an incredibly close debate

But it was only one year that type of shooting will see last year was too small sample size make a judgment off of But if he is at least 37 38 percent, I think that'll be a very good debate Yeah, I put me Smith just one spot lower. But if I also go back and change my list I'm doing that Yeah, and Paul George again, this is the last year I'm giving him credit. But like I do think that in a better situation with good health, which that is the biggest question of it all, because apparently he'll never have good health again, which might just be what it is. And he'll never be able to be 100 percent.

But if he's 100 percent, these are he's next to role players. I do still think Paul George can be a very effective role player. These are third, fourth option players, good wings and team that focus on defense spot up, can do secondary ball handling potentially like Cam Johnson. Not as much Neesmith who's just gonna stand up his hands up. But I think Cam Johnson can be a very good North Star for what late career Paul George can be. Okay. Man.

That's fair. It's very fair. It's just wild to say like Cam Johnson is Paul George's North Star. Yeah. But it's true though. If the injuries keep piling up and it keeps getting worse, I won't be shocked if he's way worse than this next year I just think off of last year and what I think will be assuming it doesn't get worse and assuming the team environment is better If you want to be there for 45 games, whatever it is, and he has actual stars to play off of

I don't think Paul George's disastrous. He is for the money. He shouldn't be paid that much money But on paper like I think he's within this range for sure. Yeah. You can't get the taste out of your mouth. It's production projection a little bit for me, man. Yeah. And it's really again, it's because he is Paul George. If he wasn't Paul George and he was just a player, I don't think he would be nearly as sour for sure.

Okay. What is your five at 15? I have Jada McDaniels 14 cam Johnson 13 amend Thompson 12 Danny of Dia and 11 I'm a cow bridges Okay bridges of way too much running around for me. I had a move down a tear really way too much running around. I'm sorry I Too much cardio. I give him I give him grace. I give him grace because he was with like probably the most un. Creative off. Coaching. So I'm higher.

You're right. So I'm in for my NBA. So I'm like, there's a little bit of grace that I give him. But looking at the improvements that he's made over the last few years of his game, what he was doing, the Brooklyn Nets and seeing how he kind of like for the first half of the year, it feels like everyone was giving him slack, deservingly so about his defense and how much he fell the fuck off of that end. But the shootings always been there. He's still like the secondary creator over there, which isn't the best. I don't know if you want to have that for your team, but he can do it. I feel good about him being at 11, regardless of what scenario

situations happening when it comes to Mike Brown. Yeah, yeah, often something they need to run the ball through him more. They did not get involved nearly enough. The defense is the main thing where he's running around. Like that's what I'm talking about is that the effort level consistently is just seemingly never coming back. And that sucks. Because I think without that he's cool. But I wouldn't rather have that than an elite defender like Aaron A. Smith. I just think I'm glad you said it because I was starting to feel like a bad ex because I was starting to think about it. I'm like, man, what was Tom doing? Just holding people back because as I like all throughout the season, like, yes, everything that we said about Bridges

in terms of like defensive effort level was there. But there was just so many times you're like, what is he doing? And it's not like, what is he doing because of him? It's like, why are we using him this way? And you saw sometimes throughout the playoffs that whenever they actually allow Bridges to get into his bag and you started running some some pick and rolls through him You started running the office do it's like oh, this is actually pretty interesting this that this actually can bear some fruit That's not just Jalen go go get a bucket. That's not just you know, try to

I mean they barely even did that in terms of like cat getting mismatches and so there's I I'm very excited because I do think that when Mike Brown coming in, there is going to be some level of, we traded five first round picks for you. And now you're going to be able to have the opportunity to show a little bit more of what you showed in Brooklyn in terms of being an offensive punch. And I'm with you. Like the usage that he had last year it dropped back down to where it was in Phoenix And so if you're gonna do that, I would love it Yeah, I would love it If your offensive usage dropped back down that the defense also goes back up to that level and you are in you know

pseudo DPLY conversations, I don't know if that's necessarily gonna be there but can we get to 50% of that which I feel kind of OK. It felt good in the really good in the playoffs. He had the Boston series. Yeah, like he had. He had that like the the play that everyone was frying Jason Tatum about before he got injured, where he like took some weird side step three or whatever. And then he not a size up. You're my bad. He took a left wing two pointer fading two pointer and McAlbrit just was all over that alongside OG under Noby and it's plays like that. And the moments like that aren't like he's still that guy.

I don't think he was worth five first five first round picks, but I can understand it when you see like the just dynamic he's able to bring with those with that crazy wingspan. So I get it. Yeah. During the playoffs, they definitely like everybody took a step up, they had a crazy run, and he was a big part of that. It's just the regular season happened. And again, he was good offensively for the most part. The efficiency is there, he did a good job

not having, obviously when a guy plays next to a certain level of player like Jalen Brunson, like Kat, your opportunities will get easier with the gravity. And he did a good job taking advantage of that. He had one of his most efficient seasons ever. It's just like said the defense is the end-all be-all to me for him to be at his best ranked close Like there's times we had him like eight I think the first year we did this because he was come off that Brooklyn year. We were like I think you guys had you put my force

Because we thought he like it seemed like you like on ball star I wanted to kill one of you guys because you guys had him above Brandon Ingram. That was him. I remember that. That was a funny time. Now they both have changed completely. And I'll do it again. But regardless, there was a time where the defense was so good.

Then when we saw the offense coming around, we're like, Oh my God, he's about to put these two things together. The vision of him has to start and stop with defense to me. It's nice that he is a good offensive player, but now he's more like a cam Johnson type where it's like good offense. He can pull his shorts up. He needs to defensively. Like we saw in the play house, there can be moments, but he's not a defensive stopper anymore. And I feel like he needs to be, who he'll get back to you. You got, you got a real close to where I'm assuming OG and nobody's coming up close. I think OG is way more impactful because of the defense. Like I think he's meaningfully more valuable to that team. I agree with that. Yeah. And like, obviously you have them higher, like I, but they're close. I think OG is way more impactful because of the defense. Like I think he's meaningfully more valuable to that team. I agree with that.

Yeah. And like, obviously you have them higher, but they're close, I'm assuming. Unless you have OG like fucking four. And I think he is like a tear, there's a tear break to me. Yeah. I think for me, the consistency when it comes to OG and Adobe's offense, we'll see what happens. Yeah, we can move on to next year. Yeah. OK. All right. At 15, I have JD McDaniels, 14 Aaron E. Smith E Smith 13 Herb Jones 12 Trey Murphy and at 11 a man Thompson Okay, don't like this on the

The Trey Murphy and Herb Jones like wait a minute they are the only reason why is because Herb Jones was hurt last year if you if if if Herb Jones was healthy or if he had shot decently in in the brief amount of time Yeah, Herb Jones would have been top ten for me. Damn and so and so and so I'm just I'm I'm still parsing that yeah, that makes sense. I give him in for the doubt. We won't really make them what's my difference, but Yeah, I can I also could put in top ten if he was shooting multiple years of 39% from three. And I didn't listen. I didn't even need 39%. If you could have got to like 36. Yeah. Hey, man, that's cool. But it just

wasn't that. And so that's why I dinged him. Obviously, and we don't have to rehash it. I'm a say this and we're gonna keep moving. I'm projecting just big buckets from Trey Murphy. And then. Big buckets. You know, that's really the crux of it. Yeah, but I don't think it's a wrong thing. Like if we were projecting, I wouldn't think it's crazy.

Like I do think like, again, I feel like this is hilarious. I'm the one arguing against him when I'm being the fucking Trey Murphy Glaser for three years. I do think he's great. I'm just not projecting at all, but it's not ridiculous. I just think like, look at the names around him. I don't think he's great. I'm just not projecting at all, but it's not ridiculous. I just think, like, look at the names around him. I don't think he's meaningfully more offensively valuable in terms of, like, projecting him to being on other teams

and different variety of skill sets and different variety of roles. And the defensive gulf between every other name here is massive. Nah, that's why I feel different when it comes to the offensive value that he can provide. Like, I genuinely, I see a real leap when it comes to his skill set. When that was able to grow into and as.

And at his position, I think there's only a certain amount of guys who can do what he does when it comes to getting buckets in the most effective way possible without mucking up any level of offense, which is super valuable. Yeah, it is for sure. Like it's a rare combination of shooting and slashing ability. If he had like a really good playmaking year for the position, I'd feel a little bit better about ignoring the defense, ignoring everything by just saying, Jesus Christ, that production is crazy.

It just smells a little 2023 McHale Bridges to me. Well, I'm like, let me wait to see what it looks like when things change. You know, I think it's a different caliber shooter, though, for me. That's why I just make a purchase. Yeah, I mean, I guess he is better. Yeah, he's betterges? Yeah, definitely. I mean, I guess he's a different caliber shooter. Yeah, he's better. Yeah. Yeah, I just mean I'm wary of overreacting to everybody's gone, someone's got to get

buckets now, you know? And not to say, again, I put him pretty high still. So I do think he's good, but I just realized you haven't said your Murphy's name yet. So like, that's crazy as fuck to me. We'll keep it going. Like, you're insane. No, I'm not. I mean, you're not insane.

You're not. I mean, to me, not one overreact to me It's crazy. But yeah, I get it Donovan who is your 10 through 6? 10 I have Mikael Bridges at 9. I have Denny at 8. I have og 7. I have kawaii 6. I have Jimmy Butler. I Can't even react partially to quite Leonard being seven because I just I know you're mo I know how much you hate the inconsistencies. It's not even aside from the inconsistency. What honestly pissed me off the most was was

they should have beat the Nuggets and the fact that you had that opportunity and I we came we came on here and the day after he scored or the week that he had you know had the 39 point game game two and it was like okay like Kauai is here and the day after he scored or the week that he had you know had the 39 point game game 2 and it was Like okay like Kawai is here. We do this whole relitigation of his entire career and all the peaks and everything and then you go out as sad as you possibly can and everybody everybody just gets dominated in game 7 and For for Kawai to also be a be a part that, like the especially at this point in his career, you can justify James Harden being on your team if you have Kawhi Leonard because the

idea is, oh, in the game seven, you have Kawhi, like you're going to be able to overcome whatever game seven nonsense James Harden pulls out. And it didn't happen and he was just fine. And so if you are not going to play in half the games in the regular season, and then we get to a first round series where the other team is literally relying on big shots from Russell Westbrook every single game and they are mounting comebacks and they need game winners and all of this stuff. And you're just fine. Like the only way I can justify you being top five

and doing all the load management stuff is if we get to the playoffs and you are a top five player and you did not do that. And that's what upset me the most about Kawhi in the playoffs and throughout this entire season and in this ranking. And so that's why I had him at seven. Fair enough.

Ounk doesn't got it no more? No. Yeah. Yeah, the juices, the ceiling wasn't quite as high as it was in previous ranking. And so that's why I had him at seven. Fair enough. Oink doesn't got it no more? No. Yeah, the juicers, the ceiling wasn't quite as high as it was in previous years between his sabbaticals of not playing basketball. Sabbaticals. Yeah. The ceiling, he didn't peak quite as high as he once did.

So I understand it. I gave him a little more credit, but just barely. And really, it's just because some of the guys that you clearly put above him are just young and bear a little bit less responsibility when they're on the court But I don't think it's crazy because like clearly you have frons and j-dub higher. All right, you know all things to be considered overall value All right It's not bad. I struck my shoulders. Yeah. Yeah, fine

I mean I can't even i'm not gonna i'm not gonna go to bat defending kwai linda these days like yeah It's a tough argument. I I gave him slightly more credit for what I know he can be but it's clearly understandable Would you know he can be brother? We're going into year 12 I you know like like the what the way he can be is not necessarily I Think more often than not like we simulated the rest of his career a hundred times You're gonna get the downside of it more times than you're gonna get the best version of it Oh, yeah, you're right for sure. At that point, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, there's no argument for why I put him higher. I can't even like, it's just like he's kawaii, so I gave him credit, but yeah, you're not wrong at all. Yeah, he scored basically 40 in like, and still average like 20 in the series. I put Brandon Ingram number 10, Oji Anobie number 9, Amen Thompson number 8, Franz Volker number 7 7 and Jimmy Butler number 6 So clearly I have Leonard just slightly higher. Yeah, I like okay. No listen. I like I like this tier I think Brendan Ingram is too high. Yeah He's a thing Brandon Ingram is too high

It's in the sentence Like I am giving him a pass for things I did not give other people unless a passport off of like I can save on put him in the right spot I promise you we can make him good, but he's also not the consistent defender He's not I think he's a little bit of a tree Murphy at his best But there's been years where he's as bad as Murphy and he also has the same Demar de Rosen issues I was about to say you were right. This is crazy Flayden vs. Heracimus Yeah, it's for inverseirdon versus Harassment.

But it's purely because those other guys, either Trey Murphy, I've never seen, have a great offensive production and great defensive production at the same time. I think he can, but I'm gonna see it. I have seen Ingram. I've seen years in which both click. And Demar, I have no reason to believe he'll change

or get better at certain things. Whereas Ingram, I truly believe he's a unique player that is wholly dependent on his situation year by year and what the coach gets out of him, which makes him unreliable, which you can dig him for that. Sure. I just, for some reason, maybe it's just Laker fandom still deeply ingrained in him. I just feel like I really want to give him benefit for what the best version of him is, but I am fully aware that it's incredibly inconsistent with other arguments, so I will not try to pretend that it's a good placement. It's where my heart took me and I'm not going to change it.

Yeah, but it's not like logical. Listen to your heart. Your heart's always right. Yeah, I like the amend placement. I had them. What did I have on my list? You were the lowest on them. I think I was the lowest and looking back at I do feel bad about it and I would put them higher.

Not necessarily sure who I'll put him above. Maybe maybe McAlbrige's. I don't know. Those are conversations I don't have right now. But he does feel like a top eight, top 12, bare minimum player. Yeah, to me, the top 10, you got to be a pretty good defender. Besides Brandon Ingram and a man's defense is so great. It carries him.

And they actually his team actually knows how to weaponize athleticism Yeah more than the Pistons do with the SAR and it's not just his team He also has just been better and you know didn't have the blood clot thing to slow him down has a little bit more Creativity, I think as a cutter overall. I just think has real offensive impact despite the shooting. Whereas a SAR has Minimal offensive impact so that's why there's a big gap between them. Yeah, it's fair. There was an argument to be made for a man to win DPLY this last year.

True. And it wasn't just one of those like, hey, we have nothing to talk about. Can we pull this argument out of a hat? It was actually legitimate, and you can get there. And so if you are that level of defender, especially at like not being a big, and it is very tangible the way that it was with the man,

I'm with you being top 10, top eight. Obviously it's just, we're both of them. It's just the shooting. That was the only thing that kept him him out of out of my top 10 But I wonder where I should have put Kawhi I feel like I just kind of pencil Kawhi into the back end of the top five just like Because we know you can't be top three you're never available, but we know you're on the court You're one of the best players two-way whatever now that I'm thinking about it like I don't know how to parse him

versus Jimmy Butler and Franz Wagner It's just with the overall availability and consistent impact. That's a difficult conversation. Yeah. I can understand why Kawhi is where he is, but also at the same time too, there's just like a little bit of, I hate to say it, but like legacy in your head and knowing like what he is, when he's healthy, regardless of like the situation or scenario, you there's no questions when it comes to what he is on the court outside of

like when he's not on the court. We haven't seen that in four years. You've seen some of it. What do you mean? I mean, you say that, but like, we're not saying you got between 19 Kawhi or even 2021 Kawhi. It's just like, we know he's a, he's an all star level player when he's healthy. It's obviously he's not healthy very often. So, that's difficult, and I ignore injuries a lot with these lists when it's like, like Cam Thomas, Cam Johnson gets hurt a lot.

Whatever, that's not gonna affect my decision making just because that's, there's a million other things we think about. You can't ignore it with Quai Leonard, like it's baked in. Like you said, the rest of his career, more years than that will be lost injuries. So, yeah, maybe I should have put him a little bit lower,

but that's also incredibly difficult to figure out. I think because if he clearly lost a step, which he did, but the step that he lost, the step that he lost though, doesn't fucking matter. He lost a small step. It does matter. It still doesn't matter because he's still

with that step loss, either the best or the second worst case scenario He's almost he's almost always the second best or the best player on the court every single night No, that wasn't always a case. I disagree. Yeah, he wasn't quite as obvious this year is that I Disagree with you guys. I just I I think that he is as like Surgical and mechanical with his game he can get to his spots and he can do like and this is part of the reason why why we were talking about like oh like how how good is pique wise because he's he can get to his spot do what he wants to do on on the on the floor but I don't think like like the argument that I have with with him in in Jimmy Butler

because I have a hundred percent been annoyed with Jimmy Butler's availability and his in and outness and all of that stuff. But the moment he got to Golden State, and this also could just be a factor of Golden State being as bad as they were. But the moment he got there, boom, everything changed. The whole team opened up. They went on that crazy

run. Even in the playoffs, like there were still at least in the first round, you know, there were there were times when you saw the vision with him, Steph and Draymond and doing all this stuff. I think that the impact was much more tangible and immediate with Jimmy Butler as opposed to Kawhi, who on any given night, you're probably just gonna get like a very nice 22, 23 points on like eight of 17 shooting. You know what, actually, I never mind. I'm not gonna deem myself too much. I know I'm too held up on,

I'm too held up on his points per game about talking about did he peak quite as high. He's playing with James Harden now. He just deferred to James Harden more than he deferred to Paul George. And I think that's the main thing is, like on hockey. That's not a problem to you?

No, the role is different for this team. Yeah. Because you have Norman Powell's with flamethrower, and also Zubac has like, he requires more touches as well, which changes the dynamic. Yeah, we're still with Powell now. That is so, what a crazy red herring ass argument. That means nothing to the conversation.

He played with a real point guard now who handled more ball handling But I feel is there now so you're gonna see the exact same thing. Yeah, either way the distribution Oh, yeah, I know I'm gonna see a first-round exit from from all of that. Not the point at all Girl, this is the point like kawaii letters still is there is that when it comes to the point-per-game thing? I'm let you save that for yourself. Yeah, but like he still the offense was still seven point four points better than on the court He was still plus ten overall considering he made their defense better still Everything was the same. He just shot less the fish. He didn't change anywhere Frequency of shots and change anywhere literally

He just shot the ball less which feels like he can be he's less assertive But you remember playing with James Harden is a very very different Dynamic than playing with Paul George and whoever the fuck they were rolling out at point guard during those years, the bodies they were pushing out there, Reggie Jackson some years, Pat Bev some years, like they had to play through him as a point forward more. And this team just necessitated that less. And I think that's what I really get held up on is that like he doesn't need to be quite as assertive.

I don't necessarily know if he's not capable anymore. Now he's still unavailable. So I still understand why he can't be top three or anything, but I don't feel too bad actually about him being back at the top five. So if you played on another team where he had to be more assertive you think he'd be averaging 25-26 a night? In those games he's healthy? Yeah probably. Easily.

The fish is going to be a little bit worse obviously because he's working more and harder for those points. I don't even know about that. But yeah like I think he still could be that. Yeah yeah again would he play a lot of games still? No but I think in those games he's healthy yeah it'd be a matter of cuz he shoot three more times probably Yeah, who's your top? Alright, so number ten. I have og under no B

9 Trey Murphy 8 Brandon Ingram 7 Franz Wagner and at 6 I have Jimmy Bullard see you've crossed the line twice now We're at because one you crossed the line by putting a branding or top eight then you just crossed my baseline line up in treatment above a above og So I guess another those are you quiet when I was taking all the heat for the anger thing He was I don't know man. I don't think it's understandable. Yeah Realized that you hadn't said Brandon Ingram's name this whole time. What the hell? Brandon Ingram is good. He's good. He's really good. That's what the Pelicans are due to you. That's what the pelicans this bill that situation was so dire and we've

never seen Ingram outside of maybe one, two years in New Orleans where things went kind of smoothly where he was prioritized. I'm buying stock. Yeah. Darko's going to save him. I think he's going to be really good. And what they expected RJ Barrett to be, which was good, which was good still, Brainy Ingram is going to he's going to take care of the high obtained, high level score that they need and want. Who can prioritize those areas?

Him and Scottie Barnes are going to be nice together. They're going to be great. Ingram's a good interior passer. I think him and Yacapota will have some good connection in the pick and roll. I don't know about those guards. We'll see who the fuck ends up starting there. But he's like a lot of those weaknesses from the guard position, too. Yeah.

If there were stocks and players, I would I would be putting not my whole I wouldn't put invest everything in the man. Ingram stock. But I put down a little bit of assets in there. Yeah. I thought you're going to find me because the Trey Murphy stuff you could still if you already did. It's crazy. I will say, too, here's another like layer or level to look at.

And I think about it. I view him offensively. Long, lengthy guy. You're not you're not necessarily going to rave about his defense. But the shooting is definitely like another tier considering the range and how it's like so incredibly value valuable to have someone who doesn't require a lot of touches but can give you a fuckload of production. When I think of someone like that, I'm like, you know, like.

Guys were in that mold who's been an all star, lard marketing and obviously Larry has like he's proven and he has he's much bigger, so the defense you worry a little bit less about. But I think he's very much darker So the defense you worry a little bit less about, but I think he's very much darker comparable to someone like Trey Murphy. I can see make an all star game here or there. He can flirt with also game Damien everywhere every year for the rest of his career. And that's because of the new addition of the off off the dribble stuff that he's been able to provide that just puts him in another tier of players.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that he doesn't need the touches to be super productive. I think he does need touches. Like we haven't seen a year in which he averages you. You made it sound like Larry, obviously not saying you're holding to that center completely. You're talking about the style of play, but like Larry averaged like 25 points per game off of mostly off ball cutting and stuff. Train Murphy stuff was pretty, pretty on ball. I don't like I, he also does have the shooting skills. I assume that but I feel like to put him this high you have to assume he can be like Larry Markman level of off-ball star level production. Yeah and I do think that over of course like over the past few years before this season a lot of his stuff was

off-ball and everyone's like yo he's fucking great. I don't know how great he could be and this year I think he proved that he can do on- stuff similar to Larry Mark and it works differently. It's a little bit inverted, but the progression is still there. And I know the second that he is alongside some other super insanely dominant interior force, maybe like Zonnie Williams, who knows is going to happen. This value will scream and he's going to slip into an all-star game. Okay. And I don't, I don't think you're crazy in terms of, can he an all-star game. Okay. Yeah. And I don't, I don't think you're crazy in terms of can he be here at this time next year?

Yeah. Fully possible to me. Yeah. It just, it just so like, when you think about all the players that you would rather prioritize on your team, whether it be Tim, team building, who just ends up being better as a player, it's guys who don't require too many touches, but can give you an insane amount of value. And offensively, I think Trey Murphy, we don't notice it just yet, but he exemplifies that. Okay. Then you have OG. So Dominus,

Franz top five, but we have Franz number seven. I would be out for very good but Franz top five, if we could just get the three point shot to fall. He has everything else. If the three point falls, welcome back Paul George. You're German now. Like he would be a complete amazing wing that plays fantastic defense, great drivers, and using that to lead offense despite the lack of spacing. He's been an effective driver despite the lack of spacing. He's managed to be an effective driver, a concept, whoa. It's just, it doesn't do point shot fault

to make it possible for him to play with Palo Bencaro because Franz isn't good enough that you could say spacing be damned, play through him only. Like he needs, he's just below the level where he needs to be able to play with other stars, especially when you have Palo Bencaro right there. And that lack of spacing holds me back a lot with his value. Yeah, I agree with you. And that's a part of the reason why I feel like spacing or not when it comes to Jimmy Butler, he just going to do so much stuff, just like Franz Wagner, obviously, too. But with Jimmy Butler, I think when he isn't hitting

his shots, he's not going to like continuously spam them. He knows his game. He's going to take like, I think I during his warriors to time with the warriors or early in his phases with the warriors, he wasn't taking that many threes. I think he was taking the same amount of attempts as someone like Draymond Green. And he knew that and he understood that that that's probably gone from his game, but he didn't spam it. We didn't see him like take five threes a game and just nuke his team offensively night after night after night.

I've seen Franz Wagner do that continuously. Well, I mean, it's course it's different because it's like with Steph Curry. Yeah, you said it like Franz Wagner is like Marcus Smart where he's just taking insane threes non-stop You know want him to or like even any more a high-volume shooter like he's not 2023 Dylan Brooks. I think Mark is I think Wagner has some shot IQ to him that I'm not against him Yeah, definitely. I agree but genuinely of like he is not that level a non shooter Which I think he is because I've seen it before

Like why lean into it continuously and just revamp your game a little bit. Yeah, okay. Let's move on to the top five. So we got some different top five's finally. The last two weeks have been pretty much the same. Donovan threw a nice wrench in it. Let's see who we got. Let's reveal them all.

I have J-W at five, Kawaii at four, which I could be convinced to flip those two. Now that we've been talking through it. So really I have Kawaii at five, J-W Jada before LeBron at three Durant at two. Take him at one. Can't change your list on the fly, buddy. Five of Kawhi, four Zadab, three Durant, two LeBron and one Tatum. And I have Franz at five, Jada, but for Durant at three LeBron at two Tatum at one dance on the LeBron.

OK, yes, you are. All right. And she's on the one that he's LeBron. I'm the we've all you said you wanted to shade him for Jared Allen, man. Those are nasty words. Man, how I can be blessed with that. No, I mean, LeBron's great. I just think obviously him and Durant are both geriatric. I think they both have some good defensive value still. I just think that as they're aging and LeBron's on ball chops are becoming a little more unreliable in the playoffs, playoffs night-to-night basis just to dispel so much energy

This is the point where the whole Durant's a better shooter can play off ball all that stuff that was always like a nod towards Him when they were younger, but LeBron was so dominant on ball. It doesn't matter when they're hitting the twilight years That's where I think the Durant aging makes him a little bit more impactful because you don't want either than to be your best star Anymore and they both have a lot of skills that make them fit well with their respective co-stars. We'll see Durant fitting well with everybody around him on the rockets, cause he can fit in that spacing. He can be a weak side shot blocker, can still be a good defender.

LeBron's going to fit well with Luca. Like we saw in the second half of last year, he turns it up defensively a little bit, can do some of the Draymond green-esque stuff on the short roll, can still cut, do all that stuff But there's just a lot of little moments with lebron, especially this past year where he got really old Where like you see there's times with legs invisibly don't have juice in them and he has to really force his way out And I don't feel like durants at that point where any given night. It's like damn. It's really a struggle No, it's kind of the the durant thing is

It's much a struggle. No, it's kind of the Durant thing is it's much more existential than than than than, I guess, like on the court, tangible. Just because the last I mean, just since he left Golden State, you know, every situation that he's been in has ended up in an area where he's unhappy, somebody else is unhappy. Just complete disarray. Yeah, it goes poorly.

And so I saw a tweet today with somebody who was like, you have three people to beef with before I think that you're the problem. And it kind of feels like that we're direct now. We're like, he left Golden State, he left Brooklyn, left Phoenix. And so now that's three beefs. And so if it goes, if it goes poorly in, in Houston, I'm not blaming a men Thompson. That's not happening. He didn't beef with the nets. I don't think I think James Harden said trade me. Then Kyrie

said trade me. And he was like, damn, I guess I'm the last one. Like miles. I'll trade me too. Like he was happy to stay there until his friend said, I'm about to hear. And he was like, well, I guess I gotta leave too. Who am I gonna play with? Cam Thomas? Like, I don't blame, he was no part of that going wrong. And the Suns, I mean, he beefed with some of the head coaches and didn't get along with some of the coaches there,

which I guess that's a little bit of a, take it as if you want. How many, cause he was there for three years and they had three different head coaches. Yeah. Which that screams organizational stability. That's a real good situation for 30 year old Kevin Durant. I'm not blaming him even a fucking little bit for Matt Ischme and James Jones

being insane people and trading for Bradley Beal. Yeah. I think to your point when it comes to worrying about how the blame game might be played in Houston, I think Houston's it's an entirely different beast because they already have their set culture. They know where things lie. You know, because going absolutely nowhere. He just got a contract or he got extended as coach as well going nowhere.

And I think this is a place where Durant needed to go where they have a legit infrastructure where there's no beefs. They resigned all their guys. They know who is like a part of the identity and they're set in stone So I don't feel the variance when it comes to that. I'm always gonna pull a brawn over Katie though So the day I die Yeah, I think and so like for Katie like I think like I Houston's gonna be really really good And I expect a lot out of them

I also think that they have that was one of the best situations you can put Kevin Durant in to just say, Hey, go get a bucket on the team that needed a bucket getter more than anybody else. And so for like for LeBron, I'm also I'm, I'm not super, super high on him as a player, but like the upgrade between Jackson Hayes and Deandre Ayton, I do think that's going to change their lives a little bit. And so I'm very curious to see what this team looks like when they actually have somebody who's seven feet tall

and can play 30 minutes a night, as opposed to Jackson Hayes and doing all the things that they did. So I'm giving LeBron one more year, maybe if all of the scoring from KD, I'm I'm giving LeBron one more one more year Maybe if all of the if the scoring from Katie he comes back this year and he just he's gonna do Katie things 25 to 27 points 50% from the field 40% of three like it's gonna it's gonna be you know, crazy efficient But I I'm giving LeBron one last time Yeah, fair enough. I mean they're close

They're like this is like the 10th best player in the league versus the 13th or something like that in the low end. If you're like, holding LeBron harshly for consistency. But you know, we can, we can tell the any given playoff series. The chips are down. Who do you want? You? We can do that LeBron thing forever. So, and especially against around who's also old as dirt. You can also do that with. Yeah, but there's a reason we're not, you know, we're not even entertaining number one anymore Yeah, that should be kind of sailed. So now which is old versus old Yeah, I shout out j-dub solidify himself as top five. I was kind of worried I'd be the only one that does that but apparently we all agree the j-dub is clearly top five man Just come on man. Is he so he's so versatile He does he does whatever okay see needs him to do man had a broken wrist still dropping 40 in the finals was able to to turn himself like legitimately into one of the the best defenders in the league and You saw you saw a little bit of improvement in terms of like his on-ball creation and answering just a little bit of the question I still do think that like a little bit of that is there in terms of like,

like, you know, like the whole OKC dynasty thing, we do have to put just a just a small, small break because Jadub does have to continue to to take steps forward as an offensive guy. But for everything that he did do for all the moments that he did come up, extremely clutch in the in the playoff series in the playoff run He did answer questions that people had and so I 100% think like on a night-to-night basis yeah, Jalen Williams is the fourth best small forward and If we're just talking regular season, you can make an argument that he's top three. Yeah. Yeah doing all that. Yeah

You can. You can do that by yourself. Yeah, you gotta phone with that. Don't talk. Put your phone on. Settle down. Yeah. You can.

I'mma leave you alone with that conversation yourself. But I will say, when it comes to the- There's one guy on here who's really entire value at this point. And not entirely, I'm not going to say that. But a majority part of the value and why we are putting him up there is because we say in a playoff series Where do you go, but that's what I'm saying in a regular season context on a night-to-night basis Where are we going?

That's what I'm that's all I'm saying is that you can't have that conversation and I don't I Don't think it's gonna be as crazy as you guys listen we can have any conversation We want we can say a lot of things. It doesn't mean it's a good conversation that we need to have. Yeah, your lungs are working. We can discuss a lot of shit. Yeah, your tongue is flapping.

And I'm saying it's worth the air time. That's what I'm saying. But is it like, I don't know, I think you're wasting your breath. And that's the end of our small forward rankings. That was our top 30 rankings. More disagreement than we had in the first two, some interesting POVs on positional value and what matters from your forwards.

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First thing we're going to do, we're going to talk about NBA fashion. I'm going to show you an NBA outfit. You gotta tell me who wore it better, because two people are gonna be wearing this outfit. It's gonna be the original one and a different one with somebody else wearing it. You let me know who wore it better, who got that shit off more. Two people wearing the same outfit, okay. Yeah, you guys aren't aware of this. A little surprise for you guys.

First off, we have Kyle Kuzma or Donovan Smoot with the pink sweater. Yo, I think I remember this day and I think he got thrown out of the establishment to jump out of bodyguards. They were the fuck out of you, bro. Yeah, right. Houston Brunch. You know, they don't play over there. The dress. Yeah. You remember when he showed up a couple weeks ago wearing a helmet? There was a reason why he wore that. Yeah, he got knockups on the head. Oh, shit, man. I'm going gonna give this. He put it on better. I put it on

down and smooth because he rocking it. He got the B little like a grown man where it's not wearing him. I like that. Amazing. I'm always pick me. I'm always always. Let's see. Okay, let's see what else we got. Next up. We got Trey Young or Don and smooth. I'm actually taking me on this like a picture of Jim. I like that too. I'm actually yeah, I'm taking I'm taking me. You rock the suit of the shorts. I'm taking me. I think honestly what messes it up is is the hat for Trey. You know not to do too much. You know you came in that day. You said let the outfit speak. It's already a statement piece when you have when

you're wearing the suit with the shorts. You can't put too much. Yeah, it's a little bland. I don't know. I think you're gonna wear like short a short suit, then like you need to have some type of statement because although I just look crazy, this is no change. You came out bland this day. Yeah. What's going on man? Like straight tattoos. This is not right. This is his right. You I'm giving this one to try young. I agree. Next up we got Lebron James or Donovan smooth. This is hard. Now that suit is wearing him. This is zero,

bruh. Yeah, it's too big. It's too big. This is not good at all. zero. Yeah, it's too big. It's too big. This is not good at all. Brought got it. He's the only one he's the only one. I don't think you pulled the old. You don't have the same or at all as I was as brown compared to I can't pull off baggy. No, not a bag. At least not a baggy suited least. You gotta have a different type of muscle mass to get this off. You gotta have the right types of shoulder with not your bag. Listen, put me in the Drew Gooden suit. That's what I need.

Oh, man. Bron got it. Yeah, Bron got it for sure. I thought you're picking you in every situation. It's so singular to like this specific suit is so singular to LeBron. He has to... Yeah, honestly, you kind of have... It's kind of disrespectful you even put this on.

It's kind of some audacity involved in you trying to be like the goat. I saw it at the thrift store I was like I this can't be this can't be Vsuit You so I had to get it you so like I ain't see where that's who or otherwise I'll have you stripped to the bare bone. How dare you try to replicate my goat man. How dare you? That's crazy. I would have done it. That's crazy. Are you initiating him into a frat? What do you mean? Man, you just can't do it. That's crazy. Are you initiating him into a frat? What do you mean? I'm a frat, man. You just can't do it. There's just certain things, signs of respect. You don't try to depict a god, bro.

You're trying to have me out here like AD. Yeah, you don't try to depict god, bro. You don't try to depict god. What is wrong with you, bro? Those are the levels of disrespect that we're doing right now. It's like driving Mohammed. He can't do it.

Come on on now. Next up, we got Russell Westbrook or Donovan Smoot. Ooh, I'm taking this or bicep and right now I'm taking me. You with the glasses is diabolical. I'm about to bring this back. Actually, I was going to wear this next week. Oh, you do that. I'm changing up the door. You are not allowed to come next back actually. I was going to wear this next week. Oh you do that? I'm chaining up the door.

You are not allowed to come next to me. This is crazy. Put your armpits away. What was, what the fuck were you thinking? It's the Teen Choice Awards. It was hot. It was out in LA. It was during the summer.

Had to let things breathe. Those fucking, did that make you have your pants pulled up? I got to talk to his dad about this. This ain't right, man. This ain't right. My dad did not know about this before I put it in a shame. Capris, put your shoes away. What's going on, man?

I'm giving this one to Russell Westbrook Russ easily. He wipes, stomps, clears. We're doing a lot here. Next up, we got Donovan Smooter, Tyree Saliburton. What are you feeling like right now? Why are you looking at me like that? Top of shit I'm on. What the hell is going on, man? I didn't expect to be harassed during TikTok time by you. Who are you feeling? Cool ass dude, man. You look like you joined the pyramid scheme. You look like you're talking about, I'm going to start. First of all, why don't you have your fourth LLC?

He looks like the number one. Listen man, let's build. He's the top credit repair dude in the city, man. What are you doing? First of all, multiple things. One, I do win this. Like straight up, I do win this. Two, it looks like, it looks like common is my brother.

I'm just saying you look like common. Yeah. Nah, you look like you asked family members for money and they're going to help you like with student loans, but really you're spending it on brunch. It's a bad dude, man. Brunch being expensive. Yeah, finessing.

Have you seen the price of French toast? Now they start using Brio's. It's crazy. They start oven baking French bread or French toast. It's too much. I do window like 100%. I think I give it to you because I do pull this off. I think you could pull it off.

I think you would pull it off. I got never. I don't know if you could or couldn't, but I think you would pull it off. I got never I don't know if you could or couldn't but I think you would yes Exactly. Honestly, this one isn't even like too crazy to put together when it starts getting cold again. Oh God This is your first time in winter. We don't know what you're gonna pull out. Oh god It's gonna be crazy next up. We got Carmelo Anthony or Donovan smooth. Oh my who is he feeling like right now? I And Camelo Anthony or Donovan Smoot? Oh my, who is he feeling like right now? Oh man. I literally just looked up a hat like this last week. I'm so serious.

I'm so serious. Oh man. I was looking for vintage hats like this on eBay. I'm about to get one. And I'm kind of mad that you spored the surprise. Because I had the little thing. The Yankees one? Yeah, I had the little thing. Yeah. I had the beret on opening weekend.

God, I'm, I was about to listen. We were talking about like winter fashion. I was about to really like dive into that. You look like you're an inglorious bastard. I'll take that bet. That's what Mello was going for. And apparently me too. You and you and Brad Pitt, honey Germans.

Yeah. Oh my god. And I'm, listen, I'm gonna take me in this situation just because the facial hair from Mellow is very, it's too much. It's too much. Nah, I think you, nah, I think I'm gonna go Mellow here because... He got the Hitler mustache, man. It's too much. I can't do that. Yeah. I can't do that. Grow it out. You just look like you'd just be on the losing side of things a lot. man it's too much I can't do that yeah I can't do that grow it out you just look like you just be on the losing side of things that's such an indictment

You look like you'd be on the losing side of things. I'm actually hurt. You don't be winning. I do feel like calling somebody a loser is one of the three harshest indictments of them. I don't understand. Loser is crazy. You don't look like a winner. No, you look like a theater kid. You look like you're in a play.

You don't be winning. Oh my God. You're in a play. You don't be winning. You are never up. Like you beggin to join your side man. Come on please. You are never up. You look like you're in a production. It just looks hilarious. Look like his name is Esteban man. Look at your west side story. You look ridiculous. West side story. You look ridiculous. Like sassy. Yeah, like you have something up your sleeve. His ears always perked up. Someone's always calling his name. You look like someone was like, quick, take a picture in here.

You're stuck in pose. Oh, give it to mellow. Yeah, we got Jared Allen or Donovan Smoot. Chill guy. Chill fit. No, Lil' calm. Lil' calm something. It was also a weekend in Cleveland. I wasn't gonna go out afterwards. You look like the dude from 13 Reasons Why back when, like, 2015, the white girls were posting like, Why can't every boy dress like this? And with that bullshit outfit? With that shirt, with the pocket? See, I wish I watched that show so I could get that reference. Very tame.

You don't watch anything. Very tame. No, I wish I watched that show so I could get that reference. Very tame. You don't watch anything. Very tame. No, I don't. I don't. I'm still trying to finish the bear right now. I'm almost done. You think your name is Colton? I think Jared Allen. Know what you look like?

You look like one of the black dudes they would pick on The Bachelor. I do look like, yes. It's always the genre of black dudes that are on The Bachelor. In this specific fit, yes. Also, very damning allegations. That's ridiculous. Them black dudes don't be on nothing. Little Jorian sites.

I hate them black dudes, man. I gotta close. I can't stand them. I can't stand them. I can't stand them. I can't stand them. Oh, like 85% of them. I'm like, oh no, it's vanilla. I'm like, this is what Rob Barker was talking about. Damn, I see it right now. Damn, would you pull up? There's a whole, this is a slew of them, but I see the archetype.

This is damning man. Oh yeah. Yeah. Jared on got you beat. Jared on owns the swag. This is I do look like this guy. This is terrible. I do look like this guy in this picture. Yeah. Take me guys. Steve Nash or Donovan Smoot. I probably wore this in middle school. I probably wore something very similar. You're leaving a band practice.

He's gonna bust down on that clarinet man. First of all, first of all, let's respect. All right, I'll play trombone. I play trombone. Trombone. I was like that. I was like that. I was like that. Oh man. Senior year. All city. All city. Mess with your boy. Shout out to the band. All city. Houston's a big city. I guess so. That means so. So I'm saying HID is one of the biggest districts in the country. I was one of the nine best term own players in high school in 5A.

Wow. Are you school wasn't 6A? Embarrassing. Oh, no, because they had because you remember when they reclassified and like 4A became 5A and then 5A became 6A. So we were 6A, but we had like moved up. It sounds like you were 4A. You moved up to 5A. We were 4A my freshman year and then we moved up. Sounds like you were 4A. You moved up to 5A. We were 4A my freshman year, and then we moved up a level. But then the year that we moved up a level, what was 5A,

then turned into 6A. So we were like, we were the biggest whatever. OK, anyway, Steve Nash cooked you. You got embarrassed. You got put into shambles. He got the White Boy swag off better than you. I don't know why you're puck in your lips here, too What you getting ready for to do man? Okay, so I think so Steve Nash wins on the bow tie. I'm wearing the bag better. I

Don't know. I just like that's clothes for you necessarily It's color just I'm wearing pink next week. All right, I'll do that. I think I could we got clay Thompson or Darwin smooth Oh, he got it. Not only got I look so skinny. I think I could we got clay Thompson or Darwin smooth. Oh, he got it. Not only got I look so skinny. I look sick P90x knows epic for so I just look tall for no reason Yeah, your head looks so tiny. This is your 2k players? I hate those dudes, man. They just be tall for no reason.

6'3 at the park, two rebounds. Yeah. Who rocked it? Donovan got it. Yeah, he got it on. He got it on. This one looks hilarious. He looks so jolly. We got LeBron James or Donovan

Smuts. This is crazy. I know I said I would, but for this instance right here, you actually beat out LeBron. Yeah, I do think I got him. Take those gloves off you idiots. Driving gloves, a big old belt. the fucking vest is insane. Like a butler. You know, if I could rework this into like 2020s style.

I think you could actually. I might have to do this. I hate to say, but I. You look like an Irish bartender. Listen, they get down over there. They get cocktails. Don't even know actually play about that. Listen, have you ever split the G on the Guinness?

I have not, but I just saw that video today. David corn sweat. You said video. No. Okay. There's a viral video of him talking about, he went to the UK with the guy, please Lex Luther. And he's like, I split a G. I'll put you on. No. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going me. What gave it to you? We'll got this. Yeah, we'll say you beat LeBron in this and that's the last one. Wow, man. That's great. What were you thinking these days? I want to see this swag.

Should I reinvest into some gloves? Yes, you actually put it on genuinely. Hey, I didn't see you there. We're taking a break from the product. Let you guys know about the newest TD3 production, House Call. As you can see, it's the same nonsense, the same hate, the same great takes, but just in the NFL. By the time you guys see this, episodes

have already started to drop. So tap into the new channel, to the new show. Again, it's everything that you love about the D3, but just for football. The link is going to be in the description. It's going to be pinned in the top comment. And make sure you guys go tap in and bring your crayons. Next thing we're going to do, now it's

time for us to get to our draft for the day. We are going to draft NBA teams with only players from the 2003 NBA draft class. God damn, that's a long time ago. We're going way back in the day. The famous, potentially best draft class of all time. OK. The draft order is Donovan, me, Moe.

I am the worst spot for the draft. Unfortunate. He know you're in a great spot. No Mosin. The best spot I could double up. There's four stars in this draft class. Oh true true true. You know what's crazy? I'm a first last time. I should have been third but I fucked it up. But anyways, it's already there. There you go. You get third pick Moe Donovan. Where are we going with the first pick in the two thousand three draft class? LeBron James.

Damn. No other words. We know who he feeling like right now. I see it. I see your game. Okay. Is the ascension of Donovan smooth? Are you in your LeBron era right now?

All right. We'll start him at small forward. Okay. I reserve the right to move him around. No, you don't. Yes, I do. Okay. Obviously the bronze going first. No surprise there. Second overall shooting guard. Give me Dwayne Wade. Okay. Cool beans. Cool beans. He stays saying that. Problem. What the fuck is your

problem? I see what you've been wearing, man. On your off days, I see what you've been up to now. So I have my five, give me Chris Boss. And then at my four, Carmelo Anthony. At your four? Yeah. OK. Yeah, obviously, this is a four-star draft, so obviously you were going to pick the two. Yeah.

It's actually a five-all-star draft. People don't know. People don't have to think about it. No, there's a lot of all-stars. Oh, no, it's six. It's like nine. Chris Kamen made five all-star draft. People don't know people off to think about it. You know, there's a lot of all-stars Oh, no six. It's like nine Chris Kaman made an all-star team. Give me Chris Kaman at Center. Okay, that's good. I Need to get a big you already got boss. I can't be left for nobody. Yeah, that's fine Listen if you play with LeBron, you know He needs a shooter. Give me a cow core at this fuck damn teeth. Fuck, man. That's what I wanted so bad.

He was never coming back to your ass. Dummy. He was to no chance of getting him. Dummy. And then. Just what came his name wrong? Such with a K. Dummy.

I'm thinking Chris. See, I don't know where to go here, but I will just build. You know, this guy, he was at his best when he played with LeBron as well. He's such a loser, bro. Give me more Williams up on here. No creativity whatsoever, bro.

He's going what you say on paper, why you mess it up? Damn, I'm in a tough spot. Ah, do I go spacing or do I go talents? I'm gonna go spacing because I have Dwayne Wade. So give me Boris Diao, power forward. Give me some stretch fall four out there. I love it. That's good stuff.

I can't have too many slashers. That's good stuff. I love it. Okay. This is kind of hard. So at my four, give me, are you moving mellow down? Am I bad on my three three? It's okay. It doesn't matter. Interchangeable. Give me great defender. Someone who also made an all-star team. I just learned this today. Josh Howard. Put him in my three. Okay. You have no mobility on the perimeter. No defenders.

That fool gave you all stars. Your defense is trash. Whoa, you guys are under underestimating Josh. How on the defensive end. I gotta go all team building all fit. Give me James Jones, a small for it. So it's not your pick. Oh, okay. He's not gonna take them. He's picking a fourth power forward. Do it. Go for it. Please be my guess put about point. Go ahead James Jones, bro. Go for it. Okay So what I'm gonna do is I'm taking James Jones Shout to him, but I'm not taking him so at my One or two, yeah, no fuck that am I one give me Kirk Heinrich Mmm. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah someone Someone who's super solid. You're committed to the

defense. Yeah. I saw the defender. Sure. Okay, so you got Kirk. That's the, that's the better. I was thinking about between Mo and Kirk. Yeah. Okay. Again, I need all the spacing. I can all the fit I can get around Dwayne Wade slashing. Give me James Jones, a small forward. Okay. Okay. Give me spacers. Sounds good. Give me a nice average three and D small forward. Listen, when LeBron was winning 66 games a year, right? 60, 67 games a year. We were in we were in the mid 2000s, really late 2000s. And that is why I'm building a team that can compete in from 2007 to 2009. Give me David West at Power Forward. Okay. And that is why I'm building a team that can compete in from 2007 to 2009.

Give me David West at Power Forward. Okay. And give me Kendrick Perkins at my center. Oh man. I wish I took David West. I wish I took him. I'm telling you, you give Bron this team in 2008. He's going to the finals. He's winning the finals. So you got West and Big Perk. Okay. My team is disgusting. You know, give me Leandro Barbosa at the board guard. Dwayne Wade and spacing. It's all I'm doing. No defense, no none.

Just spacing. I guess you know what, for prime D Wade, I think we can do worse. I think we could do pretty solid with that. OK. Damn, this is Chris Kamen being big down there grabbing the boards. God, this is a nice forty seven win team.

Listen, you got some you got some options here. Do I listen? You could put Steve Blake there. Oh, hell yes. He was a demon back then. Please don't put his name. Please don't do that. You can put Mikhail Peaches there.

I'm not doing that. That's actually a really good pick. Jason Capone, not now. I'm in like real shit or territory. Hey man, do you like Keith Bogans? I got to do what I got to do. Luke Walton had some moments. Give me.

Give me the demon, the former demon. Steve Blake, welcome to my team. Oh my God, your team has no defects. Your team is powerful. No, it's not. What are we talking about? Yeah, warsio Chris came in and James Jones. That's not talking about. There are no defenders. None of them are Chris came. I can defend just fine.

When wait, you're staying out with a straight face. I mean, come on, get out of my face man. I got a Chris Bosh. I'll be fine. Chris Washington, Josh, I was so hey, don't disrespect. That's a a 2008 champion right there in Big Perks. That's somebody who could hold down the fort, drop the anchor, be a good defender in the paint. You're right. Five points. Shout out to you. There we go. For all you listeners, my team is Leandro Barbosa, Duane Wade, James Jones, Boris Diao, and Chris Kamen. Solid five. Say your team before the winner goes. Kirk Heinrich.

Captain Kirk. I love it. Chicago legend. Steve Blake. Anybody's a legend these days. Josh Howard. Mello. Don't disrespect.

Carmelo Anthony, your guy. I like Chris Boss too. You said that so uninspiring. I have Mo Williams at point guard Kyle Kovar at the two LeBron James at the three David West at the four and Kendrick Perkins at the five yeah you fry us you got this one yeah I mean it's a Bron has it's pretty hard to come around back in we're gonna do I want you guys to guess the NBA player you're looking at but only some 2k attributes of theirs let's lock in so it's a variety of attributes all you'll to guess the NBA player you're looking at, but only some 2K attributes of theirs.

Let's lock in. So it's a variety of attributes. All you'll know is the position they play in these five numbers I chose to give you. You tell me who you're looking at. I'm starting to think I'm falling off because when we had Kenny over here in this seat, we were having a tough time.

Yeah, you guys shit the bed. But this time I gave you the position they're playing. So hopefully that makes it easier for you guys and it's possible for you guys to not embarrass me. Okay. First off, we've got a power forward. who are you looking at good interior defender? Shoot the three a little bit Everything else kind of mid is this Chet Holmgren? This is not Chet Holmgren. Damn He's not listening. He's not too fast can't really handle all he does. He's just a very defensive

Power forward, but he can shoot three. There's not a lot of. Yeah, 94 interior deep. 83 point is a tough combination to find. That's all I was like, Chet immediately. Let's not set 60 ball handle. I think he's a stick. Yeah, he really can't can't do any. Who are these? The stretch fours are like.

And now, of course, because we're on camera, I'm starting to blink about the stretch fours in the league. OK, he could be a fake stretch for it. It could be a three with this slid up to the stretch for bonds. You the interior defense. Yeah, yeah, it would it would make more sense. Honestly, it would make more sense if they were a like played up as a center. But then we're like listed as a power forward. Yeah, because I say Draymond green

Yeah, let's do it. This is not Draymond green. Okay, I will say this one This is one is not particularly difficult. You guys are probably overthinking it Okay, not just following Carol. This is not Palin care. I have defense. God damn it. All right interior defenders That's the way to think about this Chris stops. Nope, not Chris stops. Okay Let's keep on thinking the best room protectors You're just blanking over like the guy that's like best of these things in the current NBA a power for position At the power forward position. This is not Yannis who are the best power for is the NBA? This is not Yannis is not 80 fuck. No, it's not 88 83 points. No, it's not Anthony Davis. Yeah

No, it can't be him. This is Evan Mobley 83 points that's a little bit more every movie shot well from three this year, but no mid range. I was dumb low though, so that's why he doesn't have a mid range shot. He doesn't have the between game, but he can spot up volume. Three point shooting is not there. Sorry. Off with an L. You guys should have got that one good for me. I was thinking about him, but I'm like it can't be him. I should have said his name. It doesn't move Lee next up. Who is this player? Oh, they are not.

It's not PJ. That was a great guess But you know keep those wheels moving cuz you're not too far off. It's not PJ Tucker all this be all The silhouette of PJ Tucker and you're all they all they do is hustle and shoot a couple threes Wow, yep hustle shoot threes. Okay Correct. This is not dream on green. That perimeter defense will be sky high. See, but this is very hard because when I think about hustle, I think about people running after the ball. 58 speed is like you are walking to the ball.

You're an old man. You're fast walking. Like, okay. Think about that. Who's a slow PJ Tucker, Bill type of guy who's trying real hard? The NASA's. The NASA's is an athlete. He's this guy is not athletic for power, for standards,

not athletic for power, for standards. OK, so I'm is this Al Horford? What's known for Yabba silly? OK, keep that body type. You're in the right area. So big stocky. It's not Zion. Obviously. No, I promise you 95 hustles. I'll say this player didn't play this year, so he's might maybe out of your mind. So think about previous years. Oh, he didn't play. Okay. That helps a lot. Yeah.

Yeah. Like injury or he's injured. So he's probably out of your mind, but if he was playing this year, you would have got this by now. Okay 58 post fade 58 speed Man hustles and shoots you see this that's no skills crazy. It's not It's not no fucking Paul George if it this is Grant Williams. Come on, you should get the. So I thought he was I thought he was a little faster than 58, but the it's hilarious. I hate myself. I feel like everybody's faster than 58 speed. That's so slow.

This is try hard to the max. Next up, who is this shooting guard? All right. I've been done with hops. Eighty nine D's fucking crazy passing vision 70 post control is jalen green jalen green 89 perimeter D they might gas him because of the houston hell no are they gassing up D mitch no not D mitch okay is this anthony edwards it's not anthony edwards it's a notch below that okay oh this is oh yeah this is jalen

brown this is Jalen Brown. This is Jalen Brown. There you go. Yeah. OK. You said Jalen, and I was like, let's go. They finally got one. Your asset, green.

I'm like, good lord. Wrong color, wrong color. Yeah. Next up, who is this power forward? Fuck this forward, man. 89 draw foul. Gets to the line. Jimmy Butler.

Nope. 79 mid-range. Oh yeah, that's not gonna be 68 into your defense 40 steel no defensive skills in sight. Oh, so you are clearly you're clearly just just a bucket 79 mid-range so how good much a bucket could they be? 70 Zion. No, it's not the Palo. This is Palo, thank you Damn Yep, guess the free the line hits layups. That's just that.

Those are the strengths. You just be smelling buckets. This will be 95 by the end of the nation. 79 mid range. Somebody's being honest. Who is this center? See, that was unnecessary. Who is this?

It's 98 shot, close shot. Ninety nine. Yo kids. And there's too many 98 to 99. Has to be. This is the color. OK, God damn. Yeah, it shot in 99. Yokich. And there's too many 98s and 99s. It has to be. This is the color Yokich. God damn. Yeah, it's too much.

Best player alive. 99, close shot, just the best shot, just the best hook touch I've ever seen in my life. 99 stamina is like. It's accurate. Y'all are crazy for letting this man have good cardio. Yeah. And he did it.

Yeah. He got in the lab. Wow. Good for him. Ran behind those horses for the summer. Man, am I talking to you? You're not helpful at all. Sit up.

Next up, who is this center? Ooh, 86, close shot. 84, mid-range. 74, draw file. 88, stamina. OK, so 74, draw file. We're taking and beat out the question. Oh my god.

These are the same stats I showed for the last one. So I kept the position similar to the center. Is this Bam Adebayo? This is not Bam Adebayo. Come on, 84 passing IQ. He can pass pretty solid. 88 stamina. Has some stamina to him.

This is Wemby? This is not Wemby. Damn, not Wemby. 84 mid-range though. It's like, you're kind of solid. Yeah, it has a little. Oh, this is my, oh, I know who this is. This is Alfred Sengoon?

This is Alfred Sengoon. This is Baby Jokic. Passing IQ screams. Okay. Yep, yep, same stats as before as before just everything's a little lower. All right, make sense make nice Who is this point guard? 94 layup DM Evert 75 perimeter defense solid not great, but solid I guess Okay, 94 layup is high

I guess. Okay. 94 layup is high. 94 layup and 90 pass accuracy. That's an interesting combination. Is that John Moran? This is not John Moran. Is it Darius Garland? It's not Darius Garland. Darius Garland is not getting a 75 perimeter defense. Yeah. The vert is crazy. Any vert isn't crazy, but it's too high for Darius Garland. Luca. Not Luca. You're close though. That's a good guess. Sort of. OK, is it Tyrese Halburn? Nope. Damn not Tyrese. Tyrese isn't getting no 894 layup. No facts. 90. Let's see. 90 passing accuracy.

And 90 passing accuracy is too low for Tyrese. This is LaMelo ball. This is not LaMelo ball. Once again, along the right archetype. You said him. You said Luca. You're getting closer. OK. Ball hogs. Let's think about it. You claim playing killing basketball a little bit. I understand it, but who reminds you of those players, but 75 permitted either a decent defender,

80, 80 vertical, decent athlete, 80 vertical. Let's start listening off point guards because we're fighting for our lives. This one's not hard. This is not Luca, not Darius Garland. This is not tray young. This is not Fox. It Darius Garland. This is not Trae Young. This is not D.M. Fox. It's not D.M. Fox. D.M. Fox was a good pull though for sure. He's nothing like those other guards I mentioned that are similar. Yeah. Okay. So he's on the, he's, he's on the bigger end. Is this Tyrese Maxxie? Is it Cade? This is Cade Cunningham. There we go. We're going to get him eventually.

Yeah. That one should have been easy, but you got to name 20 points. I I had to throw about 64 hits, but you got lucky man. I had to pretty much give it to you, but you got there Who is this shooting guard? 95 mid-range God-dang, I need a offensive consistency is crazy. No, no, no, no, no, no Edwards, but yeah, the dropout would have been at 90 Is it the Edwards is not at the Edwards. Damn. David Booker, and the awards would not get a 95 mid range. Devon Booker. No, exactly. Not Zach Levine. Demit. Not the Mitch.

Some high stats, right? Yeah. Best players in NBA. I'm sure cam Thomas, Zach. I don't know what the fuck he talking about. Now, mind you, this is every single stat he has. That's above an 85. I had to dig. I had to pull that close shot. Every single good stat he has.

God, man. Yeah. I mean, shit is real. It's not. But sure. Who is the center? Oh, 59 strength. You're weak.

You're slow. You can't steal. No passing vision. You're slow. You can't steal no passing vision. You got to all you all he does is post. He's weak and slow. He just loves to get his butt behind a basket. All right, I see we can slow it all. It is supposed to be. This is like Eric Pascal, but the strength is frying me right now. I'm here right now. It's a bitch bruh. Get in the way for a passing vision. This is you also can't see. Oh man.

Okay. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. 80 86 post. It is like because everything else is like you suck. Yeah, this has to be a big in training, but you like to post. Is this Jackson? He's not what the post for your horrible guess. That's the worst guess I've ever heard in the show. That's not I can't hard. It's not hard. It's time you're closer with yet you're on fire with chat on fun. Now this can't be a J. Will it's not J. Will closer with chat. This cat it's not cat. You're closer with chat. Damn

Okay, the passing vision is so fucking crazy. That's so low. Yeah, so they were not watching this man is a stock machine. What do you mean 69 steal? They were not watching. I know this is they get random stats and put them lower to control the overall because they can't make them a nine already. But yeah, his all the stats should be high. Come on now. And 66 speed. What are we talking about?

That's just low because he has a big frame because he has a long steps. If you make him too fast, it would be a fucking demon. But up and down, I guess. Fuck the game, man. No one plays that shit no more. Oh, RIP to get sponsorships. Point guard. Who is this?

Ooh. 94 layup, 65 drive and dunk. Can't get off the ground. Is this Darius Garland? Oh, wait, no. No, 54 midrange. 50 interior defense. Trae Young.

Not Trae Young. That's a good guess. 54 midrange and 50 interior defense. That's crazy. That is wild. You can lay up and you can pass. You can do absolutely nothing else. Lay up and you can pass. You can do absolutely nothing else lay up and pass it man. Wow 96. You are Ricky Rubio.

See this is this. I'm thinking about back end point guards now. My this shoulder no damn neither one on bolt. No damn. Okay. They're starter idea. I damn gave it to you when I gave you one of these hands But you weren't listening. Oh, well, he's a starter. Okay, damn say the Hennegan. Nope. I do my job Okay, he's a point guard 94 layup 65 driving good pack. All you can do is let is this James Harden? No No, it kind of makes sense to I okay. I mean no no, it's nothing like James Harden Okay Kind of makes sense to I okay. I mean no no it's nothing like James Hart Okay

It's not hard. I mean 54 mid-range is like you don't do that. This is what Josh Giddy. Damn. Yeah Damn, okay that makes sense 94 lamp is very generous, but I suppose okay sure the Josh Giddy stat sure You got this is our worst performance when it comes to guessing games. You guys did all right. Yeah, it was a mixed bag. It wasn't great. We got the layups.

But maybe if the game was better, then, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn. Next thing we're going to do, I'm going to give you guys, I guess we're going to do together. We have $15 to create an NBA team better than the Lakers. OK, what we're going to do is we're going to spend that $15 on this grid. We got to build a team. And the goal is to be better than this year's Lakers

with Luca, LeBron, and Aiden. OK, what are the steals that you guys see? Wait, wait, we have to do this collectively? Yeah. Sure, yeah, collectively. I hate GMO. No, no, no. I'm a great GM.

I'm a great GM. What are the steals that you see? What's a great value pick? To me, I think, obviously, we should say, for $2. Neesmith is a great value pick? To me, I think obviously, I think we should say the $2 knee. Smith is a great pick up too. And so could drew Halle depending on the year. Depends on what stars you guys want. It's all current. Nice. But there's a good bet. And that's a good place to start.

I'm taking Yolk. It's first. If I was to go ahead and Yolk. It's in the Smith have to be. Do you want to? Okay, so we can go with your kitchen. That can be the first $5 one. Do you want to pair him with another $5 star or go a little bit cheaper for a ghost are? Who would be good feels like unstoppable? I don't I don't feel like if we pair your kids with any of the four dollar ones then it's like oh my goodness This is crazy. You just go yoke is just have to figure the rest out. Yeah. All right So we have yokich for five dollars knee Smith for two dollars, okay So we need a one two and a four we go step and just figure it out

Put the splash brothers back together. Go Steph and Clay. Fuck no, I don't want to see. I don't want to see Clay again. So, so if we, okay, so if we went with Steph, it would be Steph, Jokic. Oh Steph, Jokic, Neesmith start there. Yeah.

And if you don't want. But that's, that's $12. And then you could put, we can go splash bros, Neesmith, Rui and Yocach. Why? We could go Jonathan Isaac to put a defender next to Yocach and then put pause at the shooting guard. Give me Jonathan Isaac. You guys don't like Zachary Rich to say, man, what are you? What are we talking about? You don't want another space. It was long to mine. I reach you the positions.

I think we need to honor the positions. I think. Yeah, yeah, you have to honor it. We could just go. I think if we have Jokic, if we take Jamal Murray, that's plus five attribute. Mm. But I feel like Steph and Jokic get like a cheat code. That's like plus 100 for Steph. That's a plus 100 for Steph.

But you don't have great defenders. Yeah, I don't want a pair of pods there. But Jonathan Isaac and Niesmith does a lot for defense. Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. I like steph but like but steph isn't a great like defender yokage isn't a great defender do you want to downgrade neesmith to zack your researche no i i want neesmith a lot okay pause but like all right how bad you want him shit if we go jermall murray we can have yokage. Jamal Murray, knee Smith. That's $10. Then John Isaac, then we'd have to go.

No, because we get Dyson Daniels and John Isaac. No, I think we go Steph, Pajemski, knee Smith, John Isaac, Yoke. I think that's better than the Lakers. That's a two seat. Oh, I forgot what I was doing. Look at her ass. Oh, I forgot what I was doing. But look is her ass yeah. I'm going to ma Dyson. Oh, anybody man. Yeah, I can say a rave. I was doing all which is try to be

better than than the Lakers. Exactly right. All right. Okay, so we got Steph Pajemski, knee Smith, John Isaac, yokich. Oh yeahic. Oh yeah, we're frying them. That's a squad. That's a good team. We're just being the late because I forget about this. Yeah, I think she's a three seed. Next up, we have $15 to build a player better than LeBron James. Once again, how much money is it going to cost? Prime LeBron James.

Oh. It's going to take $17 to beat Prime LeBron James. So let's see if you guys can do it better than Proud LeBron. So you got to make the GOAT. Quite difficult. Where do you want to start? Okay, so the only advantage that we could use like the best advantage probably right now to compete with prime LeBron is body in my opinion You're gonna go to Andre Jordan try to make a big Listen I'd rather cry from the other

Athletes athlete he can move around please know can move around. I will say for passing I think we can get the best value with Darius Garland $3. I feel like you just go $1 passing. D-Lo is a pretty good passer We're trying to beat Primed Lebron And you're trying to bring up D'Angelo Russell I think you go D-Lo at $1 and DeAndre Jordan at $1 and make a big man that can pass like a point guard and figure the rest out And take play Thompson shooting or no take Dame shooting since he could do off the dribble. Oh, yeah Yeah, we have to keep Dame. We have to keep okay

So we go Dame and DeAndre Jordans body off the dribble You're getting like a wimpy like body and he's he can jump higher bigger stronger So that's five dollars if you go six $6 to D'Angelo's passing. Let's go Vince Carter finishing. Do you want to go a men Tom or it's a big man. Maybe you can look, you go Aaron Gordon and fly. Or do you go men Thompson because he can also fly that dunker spot but has some agility to his bag.

I think I like Aaron Gordon. It's not that it's a different doing this right because I don't think we're going to spend a lot of money. Then we go to go check on one deep chat home green defense, check home defense, or you look away defense and be seven foot be able to garden the perimeter like why see this why be telling me on these drafts. No, no, no, we should do that. We should do that. I'm the only one who's big. So it makes sense. He's big, but he's not a center force, though. He's not a good interior defender. He's

not into your force. I'm okay with that. If I can be a power forward type defender and John and John Jordan's body But the perimeter defensive kawaii a power forward. Yes, seven foot power forward has built a down to Jordan and can defend three through five Okay, so let's take so we got I'm just joining body for a dollar. Okay, Jane Dame shooting for four dollars So that's five. We're gonna take Aaron Gordon finishing So what I'm doing? I'm finally going to finish in six seven And then now we have so now we have eight dollars, okay, we can go let's cash out we know chat Tyrese Halliburton We can't do that. Hey John, Jordan defending the rim like chat passing like Tyrese. Oh, pass it to me that the entire is out of burn.

Let's go. That's the order of the wrong, though. Or we go passing Yoke Hitch and Marcus Smart. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,'re the best shooter at your position by far, you can dunk like Aaron Gordon, he's caught bodies before, second best passer on the list in Tyrese Halliburton, you can defend the rim like Chet. That's the GOAT! I think we made the GOAT. I don't know if this is the GOAT, but okay. I think we made Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in today's NBA.

Okay. It's gonna be tough. I'm fine with it. It's gonna be tough. But yeah, that's one of our best options. Yeah, I don't know if he's better than LeBron, but you tell us in the comments. Shooting one dog for tomorrow's frying. I know some idiot man like that. Next year, we're going to be easily. Yeah.

We should have did that honestly. Alright man, Moe what do you have for us? Oh yeah, next thing we're going to do we are going to guess which ESPN analysts gave us this take over the last few years. So all these guys have made appearances on ESPN and there's been

so many like wild things, accurate things, hilarious things and you guys are familiar with ESPN and there's been so many like wild things, accurate things, hilarious things. And you guys are familiar with ESPN's game. You know what they do there? Rage bait gods. But I want you guys to guess which analyst said this. OK, let's see how deep our breadth of knowledge is on who be saying things.

All right. When it comes to MVP voting, 80% of the voters are white Americans. 20% are others voters are white Americans. 20% are others. Country Perkins. This had to have been during the Yogi's discourse when the devote was swayed towards dwelling bead. Think about the panels that they be. This is so it's not country Perkins. It is kind of for his God.

There we go. This is your favorite line. This is your favorite bar about kids. Your Perkins. When you think about Perkins got there again. This is your favorite line. This is your favorite bar about Kendrick Perkins. When you think about Perkin, he went on like a three week media tour. He said a lot of stuff about race baiting. Listen, it worked. Joel has it has night. He deserved it. Listen, this was a memorable moment in that campaign. The very next day, can you said this the next day Molly had to show up there and be like we apologize for what?

Was said yesterday, so we do not represent any of these things You guys got that one easy every chef there Word on Ozawa is that he will eat the table. This is One of you got deliver it like Steven A Smith. I got away out that but I don't know where it is He'll eat the table They want to meet They're looking for they want to meet He'll eat the table.

He's being his friend, man. Yeah, this is one of the worst things. Steven is ever said on TV, but I always remember it, but somehow a Mount Rushmore tape. Incredibly unprofessional, incredibly out of line. Also never gonna be forgotten. We'll eat the table. It's crazy. I would even never say that to one of my friends, bro, but you eat the table like damn man. I might tell my friends that talking to your friends. That's kind of a bar. That's hilarious.

I'm gonna say that damn you need to fucking say I start seeing you get out of hand. I've seen you. I've seen you chug sodas fashion. Anybody's ever drink a soda in their life. I'm gonna let I'm gonna let you know. Swallow it. Divorce court child support. Lou Dort Lakers in five. Can we say his name now? It got, it got settled. Yeah. You know, I see court and I immediately think of one person. Is this Shannon Sharp? You are correct. This is Shannon Sharp.

He is an all time bar dropper. Listen, man, sometimes you're ahead of your time and you speak to the. You had a sharp Lakers and five famously slogan from last year. It was not true. Hilariously wrong, but it was a lot of clocked in five fuck screwed as he jinxed us. You guys are fine right now, but the next one's a little bit harder. Zahn is more skilled than Yannis.

This feels like... This feels like a Max Kellerman tape. No, Max Helm has more years. But like, more skilled than Yannis. Maybe that, but maybe somebody said this when he was getting drafted. Maybe it was like a 2019, 2020. It's like a Jay Billis. No, Jay Billis wins. Maybe it's like second year when he was out here. I don't like a 2019 2020. It's like a J Bill is a now J Bill is

maybe it's like second year when he was out here. I don't know Marcus Morris. Oh my gosh. I should have put him on this list man. No former player is a former player. Yeah, you know what? Did Paul Pierce say this? No, he did not. Kevin Garnett say this. No, you're super close though. Can you park inside this was parking? I know you're super close though. Can you park inside this was parking? Fucking I know something said this shit. I smell green in the air. What is wrong with this man? Yeah, it was park. Yeah, listen, if you thought this in

2020 when it was second year, is that one of the 27, one of the most efficient scoring seasons I've ever seen. I thought I was witnessing the next great NBA legend, then I would've understood it a little bit. You would've been wrong, but I at least could've understood it a little bit. You would have been wrong, but I at least could have understood it. Yeah, now it is. You look crazy. Tough scene, tough scene. If the fate of the universe was on the line, I want it would dollar taking that

shot. Is this the greatest ESPN bar of all time? It's one of the greatest ESPN personalities of it's. It's definitely up there. I think in terms of the first take error, it's you have this. All right. Not even first thing, but like obviously first take and then Steven H's career, but it's like this one, Kwame Brown, maybe your Marcus Russell. Yeah. Yeah. It's this. And he can't commit to post moves to memory. Those are the two goats.

Oh, but my Russian were alone. This is Max Kellerman. You are correct. This is Max Kellerman. Yo, that Dejan Marcus Russell thing was crazy. What did he say? He said, listen, this is America. And I believe this is the land of second chances, except when it comes to this no good fat, sloppy Jabba the Hutt looking bum of a quarterback. That was insane.

And the moderator was like, oh, yeah, yeah. And he was like, no, this guy. No wonder this man thinks he can fight LeBron James. He didn't get in the way. It was bullshit his whole career. Oh, man. Just an insane thing to say about someone on national TV. Oh, my god.

OK. There's no way they would trade LeBron because it goes against the way they operate unless he signs off on Brian win horse No, damn. This is a mad regular sense Same is name a hot thing. Is this about the Lakers? It has to be right because you were not gonna pull out a seven-year-old ESPN thing was on the calves unless 2018 But I doubt they they would trade LeBron because it goes against the way ESPN thing when he's on the Cavs unless 2018 But I doubt they they would trade LeBron because it goes against the way

They operate this is that low it is not that low see but the way they say like they operate unless he signs off on It like the Lakers are a star driven organization. Yeah, maybe this happened like just recently someone just said this Who could so this could literally be anybody just a certain thing. Just tell me. Because I don't know who is this one. He's not on ESPN anymore. I'll say Magic Johnson. No, not Magic Johnson.

This is JJ Reddick. Back when he was a panelist as well. So what year is this from? This is the year that LeBron I think was did he break the score record two years ago? Yeah, we've had three years of LeBron trade Can you imagine how pissed someone like JJ would be if they traded LeBron what do you miss actually? I don't know. He's gonna be so mad. He's looking at us for the next 10 years. Yeah, I guess so maybe

Edward on the street as he's not an extension a Slovenian newspaper before that today that he's gonna sign a four-year extension on August 2nd. Who? A Slovenian newspaper. Wow. He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen. Back to back, this is once again,

one of the best short-lived eras in TV history. One of the hardest white boys to ever grace our TV screens is JJ Reddick. Damn it, you guys got it again. I'm so shocked that they just kept letting him go on first stage. And just talk about how shit first take is. He went up there every day and was like, I'm surrounded by morons, but I keep coming back. Yeah, this piss people off. The 1960s players were not happy about this comment.

Yeah. Some was it who, who fired back at JJ Reddick? Jerry West. They can still hear this Kawaii was Kawaii was better than Kobe was this this. I do know this. This was Max Kellerman because he was saying I don't remember this one. He was he was saying that Kawhi is more clutch than than Kobe and then he was he was citing stats. You are correct. Is it 2019? Yeah. Yeah. Man that summer when Kawhi won that championship he was people around like he was Pock. They were treating him like he was a God like he was God's gift to basketball. The claims people were making were insane. It wasn't just best player in the world

because he won the championship. It was like, is this a top 10 peak of all time? Off of one good playoff run where he was hurt for the second half of it. Yeah. Crazy. He deserved it too, that summer specifically. No he didn't.

People weren't really saying insane shit. He deserved hype. People were going crazy. The hype was warranted. Yes. To some extent, but yeah, people were taking it too. He deserved hype. People were going crazy. The hype was warranted. Yes, to some extent. But yeah, people were taking too far. Next quote, I had a better career than Dwayne Wade. Another reason where the king of modern day delusion and commentary, this is Paul

Pierce. This is Paul Pierce. Yeah, I got it all the money, man. This was like the spark of what has been an increasingly asinine year of Paul Pierce comments. The past two years. He's just been spraying nonsense left and right. Long shooter. And this was years ago.

And that like, bro, Michelle Beatle then came on and started reading their career accomplishments. Yeah. And she was like, you know, he has he has this many. Also, you have this man. He has this many points. You have this. and it was just like oh no no i think jalen rose was reading it and michelle beater was in the background like damn every time somebody says that paul pierce has won rebuttal i can score more ways

he recently said he could score more ways than michael jordan yeah man all right oh brother the chosen one turned into the frozen one. I don't remember this but I you see the chosen one It has to be skip Bayless. This is skip Bailey's Hey, you know why I know that why it's kind of a bar Kind of got it off. He got I disagree with the sentiment, but he kind of got it off. I can't lie Listen, if it was 2011 he's speaking straight facts. Sometimes you got to give it but he kind of got it off. I can't lie. Listen, if it was 2011, he's speaking straight facts. Sometimes you got to give it to him. He got it.

We will never see a talent like Skip Bayless again. We will never see that again. I got to get my hating game up, man. A pioneer. Yeah. There's a hole that needs to be filled. Yeah. I got to start being a terrible person.

Luca Donce is to me, the only reason why he's on that list is because he's from Europe Okay, I don't think he's ESPN, but I see low-key xenophobia and I feel it has to be Gilbert arenas He says have that to his bag He just doesn't show it too much. Xenophobic brothers locked in. Yeah, this is nasty as hell. Shut the fuck up. And as the last one, you guys are on the money. You guys have these horrible tastes ingrained in your memory. I'll never forget them. Next and last thing we're going to do, I asked you guys on a community post what you think the worst jersey in NBA history is. We're gonna react to the fan submissions of what they think it is.

Some stickers on here, some we've reacted before, some we haven't, so it'd be a mix of new and old. First off, we got BBCPFGHS. Pfft. You were a child, there was so many other letters after BBC and you immediately lost it. He just kept on going What's your problem?

First one with those brown mavericks jersey, man, you know what bring them back bring them back looking back at a little bit I'm like, do you hate Cooper flag? You're gonna I promise you there's gonna be a city jersey inspired by this I'm not gonna either kind of cooking. They were kind of cooking a little bit I understand what you're saying when you say that but then I realized there's nothing that makes sense about that So it's a the Cleveland Browns Jersey that we saw yesterday on house call if you didn't know not even All Brown just does it for me a little bit bit you like this. I actually like it now This is the most light comment that we were submitted people think this is the worst jersey in history and you're gonna say you like it Yeah, stop it. It's no it's actually it's up there for the worst jersey. Yeah, this is downright horrendous

Yeah, cuz it's not even like it's not even bad because you like did too much like the the maps graffiti one where it's like, okay Well, that was just you guys are just trying to do too much This is just one color and it's like how and why would you ever put this on an NBA floor? It's disgraceful. Honestly And you know, what's crazy the Mavs might not even be the worst jersey. I'm not gonna lie I'm aware this on the set one day you gonna be like be like, you know what? Maybe you were tripping. I'm gonna have it on. No.

You can duck heat. Next up, Hawksing Spies says the banana yellow jazz jerseys are atrocious. Wasn't the best. But I don't know about atrocious. Oh, no, it's atrocious. No, it's terrible. This is absolutely horrendous.

It's bad. The color is one thing, the organ ducting. Cool. Maybe you can pull it off that big ass font for the jazz. Look how much space the numbers and letters take up on the front. That is crazy. You look at it and jazz doesn't even look like a real word. It doesn't.

It just looks like some letters. I feel like I can't read. This is this is worse than I've seen practice jerseys better than this. This is altering my perception of reality. I feel like I can't read. Yeah, this is worse than, I've seen practice jerseys better than this. This is altering my perception of reality. I feel like my eyes don't work. It's starting to get too bright. The people know what they're talking about.

This is atrocious, though. Yeah, this is 10 out of 10 terrible. Good pick. Worthy of being on the Mount Rushmore of worst jerseys of all time. We got the bronze wizard jersey Circa Gilbert Arenas era. Yeah, these guys don't know ball you like these I I actually really rock with these and when I when I used to play 2k and I would pick the uh, they had a uh,

Was it the throwback was just yeah the the legend team would go with arenas. I would pick them and I would pick this jersey Yeah, I mean this I like it. This isn't good But it's I understand the nostalgia of it and it's interesting. So I don't think it's one of the worst of all time, but there's a reason they're not gold anymore. And there's a reason this bullshit paneling on the top is gone. Yeah, I agree. It's not one of the worst of all time, but hey man, again, this is one of those underrated jerseys. My mind where people see it and on the court, it's a bad product, but if you were to wear it casually, kind of got it on.

Ew, hell nah. Kind of got a shiny jersey. The lines are just so random. There's like stripes on the side, stripes up top. It's nonsense. It's complete nonsense. Yeah, it is. And it's hard. I like it. Again, not one of the worst of all time, but definitely bad.

This guy, the nastiest, Atanacumpo says the Lakers jerseys are buns. They're just iconic. And I think theyo says, the Lakers jerseys are buns, they're just iconic. And I think they're specifically talking about today's jerseys. Yeah, today's are messed up because they're not gold. They're yellow. They are bright. And it is not the gold. Like, it's not the purple and gold.

It's not what they do. Yeah, they're really not great jerseys, honestly. I mean, like back in the day, the Showtime era ones are, I think, great. Or at least they aged great nostalgia-wise. But yeah, today today it's really just like oh, I know that team's name And I know the team's colors, but it's not if you didn't know the Lakers were it's not a top 15 jersey And then they started putting the black paneling on the on the purple so got rid of that They just got a new purple jersey for next year. Yep. Perfect. We're taking steps. Yep nature is healing But for the last couple years when they've been doing that I don't like that. Yeah, this is a fair dude

It is thundering like crazy. The cons are outside right now. The Mike might pick that up. It's crazy It probably is bro's gonna rain for the next hour. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna be done about ten minutes. Y'all are stuck here Next up the 2016 2017 Hawks underrated ass cheeks. Oh, yeah, this is terrible This is beneath the axe ass cheeks, bro. This is shit This is fecal matter. This is stomach bile Even outside so obviously the red with the black shorts was like hilarious What the fuck are they doing even outside of the combination all the versions of this uniform sucked? Like this pattern on it like that's you know

sucked. This pattern on it like that. You know, 2016, 2017 was just a really tough time in the city of Atlanta. And we're just finding ways to cut costs and save money. Coleslaw just came out. It could have been that bad. Go ahead. And so what come out? Coleslaw just came out. You know, that is very true. Now, because it came out after this, they saw that and they're like, we have to set

the record straight. We got to fix this. Fair enough. Yeah, this is no, but that little pattern on the on the jersey, you know, whenever you see like a whole bunch of like small little circles together and like you get like freaked out. It looks, do you know that? Yeah, that's it's happening to me right now. I'm getting goosebumps and I don't want to look at it. It just looks like a something. I'm going to turn towards you guys. It just looks like a

some type of protection gear, you know, it's like Kevlar Your bulletproof Yeah, this is also worthy of a top 15 worst jersey of all time easy terrible as a Warriors fan I have to admit. It's that one yellow one from 2013 Christmas Alan. You are cooking you can kind of get with Like again, I don't like the sleeve jerseys, but you can kind of get with like again, I don't like the sleeve jersey, but you can kind of get with the actual Jersey Pairing it with these pinstripe shorts that are that look like a different color Come on, man. Yeah pinstripes in the bottom, but not the top is just nonsense Like that alone is like what are they doing? Then you add sleeves everything about it sucks

If it was pinstripes on the top two, I think it might make it worse because I'm like, all right sleepy time now If it was pinstripes on the top two, I think it might make it worse because I'm like, all right, sleepy time now Next up the subway server math Jersey this right here, this might be worse than the bronze one. I think it is. I think this is for my money. Worse jersey of all time trash for my money, all time, the worst jersey of all time. I don't know if it's the worst. No, no, no. I disagree. It's the worst to me. See, I have, I have a pig, but it's, it's up there, though. I keep saying it's up there. All these jerseys. Yeah, I think it's, it's up there though. I keep saying it's up there all these jerseys Yeah, I know it's it's top 10 though. It's I might lean towards top five So it's not crazy to say the worst jersey. I think we're gonna see worse guarantee. We're gonna say this is the worst in

mab's history It's the worst in modern history to me pretty easily. Okay. No, I have I have there's some other shitty city jerseys. So I understand we got this is a deep cut. I would say the two thousand five, two thousand six, Atlanta Hawks, alternate jersey. It looks like a wreck jersey. What? Yeah, get the fuck out of here. So here's the thing. At first I was like, it's kind of cool. Then you think about it. It's just cool because it's yellow and it's different. The cut isn't great. And the little hawk right below the collar,

weird, she like feels misplaced. But in general, like it's yellow. It's different. The yellow and red and how they cut in like the hawk right below the collar. Weird. Like feels misplaced, but in general, like it's yellow. It's different. The yellow and red and how they cut in like the hawk into the Atlanta multiple times. Hard yellow and red isn't great. It's kind of McDonald's. It's kind of a mustard jersey. I guess this guy does not respect culture.

Oh, it's not great. I'm like the dark drop shadow. Like it looks kind of cheap. It's not. But it's not one of the worst. It's not. It's not one of the worst of all time, but it's it's very passable Yeah, it's below average just fine. It's just slightly below average me Worst of all time is just harsh. Yeah, it's not the worst of all time, but it's not good. You're blocked the Sun's sleeve gray uniform

You can get past that the Sun's gray one is like obviously it's bad But you could look at that and be like it was the time Yeah, we were all looks like prison attire. Yeah, we were all wearing sleeves like that. That one, whatever this next one, he said, Grizzlies, Memphis Tams, green and yellow jersey were hard to look at guys. Anytime that you have a top that is a different color than your bottom when it comes to a basketball uniform back in the drawing board, let's let's keep working right.

Let's think again keep working right. Let's think again. Is this is this supposed to be some like old high school or something? It looks like a naked 1960s high school like won a championship or something looks like a movie from from yeah, maybe but like this is also a rough draft jersey. You have to keep thinking this through you can't send guys out here with different color shorts than Jersey.

Yes, it looks like the equipment manager made a mistake and everyone's paying the price. Yeah. Facts. Come on, man. The Charlotte Bobcats. All it says, Charlotte Bobcats. All of them. Just big cats.

The colors. Cats is ridiculous. Nobody talks about that. Cats is crazy. Cats. You expect me to cheer for that cat. And the color scheme is horrendous. The font horrendous cats.

They really think Kimber walk out here wearing this. It's like we're in 42 games for us, please. On cat. God, man. Just just based off of the history, along with the song where it's in their history or the Charlotte Bobcats in their history This might be the top. I'm surprised. They don't have a cat's Jersey with pinstripes Yeah, that feels like a very Bobcats thing to do. They probably do at some point Cats. Yeah, I gotta go back. It's so unbelievably bad. That font is a truck. It's so bad, man

cats just cats It's so bad, man. Cats, just cats. Well, let that sink in. They can do so much of Bobcats, too. They could have got so creative with everything. They missed on every single there's no anything, no color, no font, no words, no cut, nothing.

No good players, just trash, no cool logo or nothing. But I like what is most bad teams have a little bit of aura to them At least they have a cool jersey look back on the Bobcats have zero redeeming qualities That's why they were what they were damn dispersed sand camo Jersey Damn when they had a tan camo, it was entirely too much happening on the basketball court. Not good Yeah They had the gray camo which something about nostalgia for this tan camel Just looks dumb and I hate the logo being like offset to the bottom right the number being offset. Everything's just like weirdly placed

It's very it's very busy. It looks like you know, they have camel looks what they're trying to make the logo blend in Does this come with sleeves or he just wearing sure it comes with leaves? Oh, this is way worse than I thought Yeah way worse than I thought if it was a regular gym. I oh like nice I could see the visual on this list. This leaves a blight on NBA history. Yeah, it's making my head hurt. Yeah, it's not great. I don't like this. The 2019 2020 Pistons Jersey deep cut.

He said it looks like a Nike built for speed shirt. A seven year old would wear. Yeah, just wanted to run the room hella fast. I never thought about this one being bad, but it does look kind of hot wheels. I'm not going to lie. It looks like a real Jersey. It is a real Jersey because it feels like it feels like a soccer Jersey.

It feels like a soccer Jersey. That's what it is. It's just misplaced. It's in the wrong league. Yeah, it does look kind of European. Yeah, it does look stupid. Hear the Europeans go again, messing up the league. I love my Motor City is like a cool, like

a cool idea. The font doesn't look pretty good. The stripes just don't work. The stripes just look weird up the middle. Yeah. It's all messy with the text. Doesn't it? It doesn't look good. Yeah. Let's keep making fun of Europeans. That's the easy way. I can see when all the awareness for sure. Collab of gills arena. Fucking Europeans. I can see renaldo wearing this for sure collab at gilz arena fucking europeans. I like the way you think I gotta be here more often in the end of pace with hickory jersey with the yellow shorts barbecue sauce. This is terrible sweet baby jane. He knows where he from just ticked popped out. No there's barbers. Literally this famous restaurant in georgia just ticked popped out. No, there's a famous restaurant in Georgia and it's

literally called Hickory, bro. The barbecue sauce hits every time and these are their colors to it's fucking crazy. She's like a lion. No, I believe you. Yeah is the funniest word in those shapes. Yeah, these are fucking terrible. Mesquite. Like, you just throwing names out. Yeah, this is obviously one of the worst churches of all time.

Gets credit for being one of the worst churches of all time. And somehow, every time you see it, you know it's one of the worst churches of all time. And it still gets worse the more you think about it. You see Boogie Cousins in the background. Looking disappointed? Yeah. It's not because Paul George just hit a shot. He's like, why is he what are we playing? The socks are also stupid. We look over that I'm kind of get there. Yeah, cool socks are cool socks. I guess cool socks are you that's fine

Then this isn't an NBA one, but he said the Nuggets you leave your jerseys with an elf inspiration. They have a leprechaun belt and a jersey. This I've never seen this in my entire life. They have a printed belt on their jersey. This is one of the biggest like slapping faces I've ever seen. These are professional athletes. They're degrading you if you wear this, bro. They're telling you, you play for an

unserious team and all the builds are different sizes too. Like what the hell? No, this is, this is taunting. This is very much like massive behavior because it's like, how bad do you want this contract? How bad do you want it? God, man. You're going to put this on, and you're going to hoop. That's ridiculous. So it's a humiliation ritual? Yeah. It's not great.

Is that Zeemus in the back? The Camo Raptors. I forgot they did this. Camo's just never good. Why did they do this? Well, they have soldiers too. Canada has a military. But, okay, I thought the Spurs were the only one that did like the military stuff. The US military with apparel.

Dummy. Put their military up! Put their military up! We go tank for tank, drone for drone! I don't care what they talking about. I'll start it right now. I'll start it right now. I started right now. Tell them to come to the front lines. I'll see you in Detroit.

This might be better than the Spurs. Well, I'm not going to lie. It is better. It's also not good. It doesn't have sleeves. So it's centered too. So they weren't trying to do too much. Yeah.

It's normal. It's still not great. Not a good jersey. Those green bulls jerseys. That's kind of hard. How do you feel about the green ones? I like I see like the ones Jimmy Butler's wearing a lot more than the ones D roads. Those have gold trimmer on the letters Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like the one D Rose has on the ones with the red numbers are kind of stupid

That doesn't look particularly good. You'll follow the Christmas man It's not a Christmas, you know, it's the st. Patty's Take away the jolliness of it all the family love of it all Christmas not a good color scheme Don't want it outside of Christmas Damn God just took away the best things for Christmas. I was like, yeah, just throw it away low-tier color scheme Yeah, it's insensitive to the color black That is the exact combination of colors colorblind people have an issue with. Wait, word? That's what they're doing. Red and green. Say fuck you.

He started laughing. Suck the fuck. Just lock in. What do you mean? What do you mean you can't see colors? Lock in All right, it wasn't on here I was waiting to see if it was on there that stupid Miami Heat Gradient City Jersey that they oh, yeah, that might be the worst one. Yeah in my opinion. That's my least favorite jersey ball time That's pretty fucking bad. I understand that wait Wait, are there any other colors that are colorblind?

Why are you so fascinated, man? I'm actually curious about it. So they can't see green and red. But if I put blue in front of somebody who's colorblind, how do they see that? So people that are colorblind, they can see colors. There are certain color combinations that either look the same or might look like gray, brownish, whatever.

Some people will see green and red together. It'll kind of blend in like one color or it might look like it's like a brown, but there's different people with different color combinations, a different variety. So are there people who just like see black and white? No, like dogs? I'm not gonna lie, this whole time,

I thought the mode would just switch immediately and everything would be- You say colorblind, I think you can't see colors. Blind to color? So yeah, I thought there were people out there who just switch immediately and everything would be- You say colorblind, I think you can't see colors. You're blind to color? So yeah, I thought there were people out there who just saw black and white. Well, maybe these days, I don't know, but that's not typically what it means.

I know there's some colorblind person here scolding you right now, bruh. I'm trying- Listen, man, I'm trying to learn. You're so fucking insensitive. I'm just trying to learn. God. Are cats colorblind?

Can blue see some stuff? I don't know. Her name is Blue Soap, probably. That means nothing. I'm trying to learn. God. Are cats colorblind? Can blue see some stuff? I don't know. Her name is Blue Soho, probably. That means nothing. With that being said, that's the end of this episode. If you still hear a comment, your favorite fact about the colorblind and informed Donovan a little bit of something so it can stop being such an ignorant slut.

Shout out to our colorblind community. Gotta be a slut, damn. I'm not ignorant.