The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked Every Small Forward In The NBA | Ep. 99

Episode Date: July 26, 2024

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So last week we did, you know, week two of ranking season. We ranked the top 30 shooting guards in the league. And at the top of the show, we said, this is the worst list of the year by far. Shooting guard position is terrible. And I'm glad to announce that we're back to a great one because this is going to be a very exciting list. Ranking the top of the small forward list is ridiculously difficult. We're in for a good episode today, y'all. Are you hard?

Yes. Yes, it is. There's a lot of good players, a lot of good players. And this is going to be exciting as usual, bro. So yeah, as I see I see Week 3 of ranking season We did point guards two weeks ago Shooting guards last week

For us it was yesterday We're recording these in bulk ahead of Donovan's wedding So by the time you guys are watching this I think Donovan You're gonna be on your honeymoon I will be So there you go

Mr. Worldwide is gonna be out of the country So how to get the content ready for you guys The funny part is we don't know How people have reacted to the first two lists yet So we can't like reference it So wait It's gonna be interesting If you guys were to guess

So far Who has the worst list so far consistently it's you last yesterday you your list yesterday was drunk for shooting guards so far point guards shooting guards

so far as you still think it's me yeah point guards is pretty tame I think we all had relatively similar nobody really had a bad list there shooting guards you had some drunk picks I imagine

so far was having I think it wasn't the point guards Kyrie way below Derek White or some shit like that like that was no no Jalen Green Top 10 is worse than that I think so. No, no, no, no.

Thank you. No, it's not. No, it's crazy. You're hating on Derek White like he's not an Olympian. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Now you're nasty for that. I'm just saying.

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Pray on eaters, rejoice. So like always, we're going to start from 30, going blocks of five, right? Work our way down to the top five. Hey, man, let's just jump straight into it. Who is the first blocker here on the slideshow? I hope it's me. Damn, it's not me. It's not. It's Donovan. We got Andrew Wiggins at 30. We got Aaron Neesmith at 29. We have DeAndi Hunter at 28. We have Max Drews at 27. And Dylan Brooks at 26.

Wow, man. It is so crazy to see Andrew Wiggins at 30. How the falloff is insane. And it's sad because like half of it, half of it, I don't, and like, he's at 30. He's at the bottom of my list. I don't want to make it seem like all of this has been his fault. He's been very, you know, in and out the lineup with personal issues over the last two years. But when he has been on the court, the version of Andrew Wiggins that we saw in the

the 2022 finals, completely non-existent. Like, we just have not been able to see him reach or even sniff that level. And I look at him now, and it looks like he's a lost player. It looks like Andrew Wiggins doesn't really know where he fits in, what his strengths are. And, like, you kind of want to give him credit for something. But out of all, like, the starting threes, I really, really don't know what Andrew Wiggins is doing on a nightly basis and again not a hundred percent his fault it's not because he's trashed right a lot of stuff has happened i'm just very confused about his position in the league right now

yeah man his he made the all-star team in large part because he was rebounding his ass off the motor was crazy he was really great defensively was going wild yeah yeah obviously he was scoring well and that motor is completely gone he looks like minnesota andrew wiggins who's just out there running around and look at his shooting from every point in the court he went from 72% at the rim last to 63%. That's a gigantic drop-off. His mid-range jumper went from 44% to 36% and his three-up from 40 to 37. Across the board, just worse at basically everything. Exactly. This is a sad fall for Andrew Williams. You would think that he, this championship would revitalize his career and it did to a certain extent, but it owned that high only lasted for a quick second, you know? And to see Andrew Williams at 30

makes me sad. I didn't even want to put him on a list because any time I think about him just makes me sad. Should have been so much more. He was called the Maple Wamba. Yeah. You know, listen, listen, his peak,

it was very, very short. But what is still here is his bank account because he got paid. He did exactly what, like when you talk about, you know, going into a new situation,

trying to prove yourself contract year. It's like, hey, if you help this team get to where they want to go, you're going to get your back. and him and Jordan Poole both got it and the Warriors bet on two guys

and for reasons literally outside of their control Jordan Poole being punched Andrew Wiggins you know a whole bunch of personal reasons you haven't been able to see two of the most important players on that Warriors championship team live up to expectations and the team has you know they're out the playing

right now because of that so yeah so we're spending a lot of time on Wiggins but I mean it's true he's one of you know I also think a real quick Nate Smith is too low. I think Nate Smith is like really good. That man shoots great at the rim, great from three, great defender. Like, I like the guys above him. Him versus DeAndre Hunter? Give me Nate Smith in a fucking second. Him versus Max Drewes. Give me Nate Smith in a fucking second. Yeah, I'm looking at at Struce now and I'm thinking about like why I put

Struz this low. It's because like I think Max, I think Max, I think Max Schuze just be running around too. I think like he has he has that thing where you played for the heat and all of your attributes got boosted up by 10 and you had like your run especially in the playoffs but since then like max truth is not an amazing defender he's not an amazing playmaker right he can move off all that's his best trait but even shooting wise last year he wasn't he wasn't shooting at a elite elite clip and so for a guy that is known to be you know the floor spacer right now I feel like a lot of that is more about name recognition and what he was able to do two years ago in the playoffs rather than what he provided to the cows last year.

So, yeah, if you want to move, if you want to move Niece Smith up, we can 100% do that. Yeah, I think he definitely deserves to be moved up. DeAnd 128 is hilarious too. Injury prone. When he's playing good, he's playing good. And then when he's not playing good, he's most likely on the bench because of an injury. But I think 28 is too low for him, too, because I think he brings more to the game than Max Trues.

And I guess you could say Dylan Brooks. I thought you were going to say it's too high for him. I thought you were going to shit on him because you hate him. No, no, no, no. I think it's a little too low. I think it's a little too low. You're not going to like me then. Let's move on in the next block.

Who's up next? Me or Mo? It is? Me. Okay. Oh, did I leave him off my list? I did. He was 31 for me.

I ended up winning Max Drew's above him last second. Wow. That's great. I have Max Drews at 30, Kelly Uber A at 29, Bruce Brown at 28, Andrew Wiggins at 27, and Dylan Brooks to 26. And we're in lockstep on Dylan Brooks. That's the 26th best mom forward in the NBA. But there we go.

Shout out Dylan Brooks, man. My bad. I disrespect you, Dylan. I really did. Mo, I want you to sell me on why I should want to put DeAndre Hunter on this list. Now, first and foremost, DeAndi Hunter has been a better player over the last season compared to Andrew Wiggins. Shoots better.

Defense still hit or miss at times, and he's really, really hasn't lived up to that potential at all. but the three-point shot in the volume that he's improved on genuinely makes him a reliable option who can put the ball on the floor don't ask him to be a playmaker because he has bat-shick crazy tunnel vision but when it comes to getting buckets and making easy passes meaning like here swing swing he can do that at times and I think you can lock him in for us all like 12 to 15 points on any team in the NBA so I think he's generally better than Max Drews I wouldn't say

he's better than Kelly Ubrey Bruce Brown's tricky to talk about at times because we nobody can be to simply miss casting and also had a super shit year or half a season in Indiana so yeah if you about

it's if you when you talk to me about Bruce Brown but I definitely think he's better than Max Drew's without a doubt I hate watching Gianja Hunter there's so many times

where the ball swings around to him and he catches it you know they close out on him I want him to get downhill keep the ball moving do with a normal 3 and D wing

who can dribble a little bit does something that, you know, he was drafted to do. He's drafted to be an off-ball wing that can create a little bit like we saw in college. You know, he had that big run in the tournament

because he was extremely good at creating his own shot against college level competition. And every time he does it, it just ends up in jab, jab, jab, ugly mid, and it just stops the flow of the offense. And I think he's a 3-and-D wing that if he's literally standing in the corner

and shooting, I like it. If he takes the onus in his own hands to create, I fucking hate it. And I'd rather have Max Drews, who he didn't shoot great last year but he has gravity you said he just runs around he runs around really well

because teams follow his ass and the threes weren't always falling this year for the calves I would still rather his off ball gravity off ball off move and shooting than what Deandra Hunter brings offensively and defensively I've always felt

like Deandre Hunter is just like you look like you be a great defender yeah that's his main calling card that's why he was drafted so high those Kawhi-linner comparisons of course it should have been his main calling card yeah then you see him, you're like, oh, you look physically like you'd be a great defender.

You got the length, you got the muscle mass, everything. You look like your lockdown and you're not at all. He's a Combine All-Star. That's what he is. Yeah, exactly. But, I mean, ironically enough, he is a better shooter than Max Drew's. Now, the shot diet is completely different. His is more just like catch and shooting.

He's not running around like a madman like Max Drew, so. Yeah. Take, he's, I mean, he has a few point out of percent from last year, for sure. But I don't think he's a better space here than Max Drew's by any means. I think Max Drew's 36% is a lot more impactful than Deandre Hunter is whatever he shot. Yeah, different types of spaces, different types of spaces. But I still think I'd rather have Deandre Hunter because he has a better chance of being more impactful than Max Drews in other facets of the court. Yeah.

Wiggins is hard, man. I kind of viewed it as like with these bottom five guys. I was like, listen, if I had to build a team right now, if all of them were on the free agency market, who would I rather pay? Let's say I'm paying all other than the minimum Who would I rather pay? I'd rather have Dylan Brooks He's a better defender I know he brings that at least

He shoots the ball decently well But then the rest of these guys I'd rather have Wiggins and Bruce Brown Bruce Brown's a talented player But a very specific skill set That doesn't fit with every team If you're like the Nuggets And you can really maximize it

You can get a lot of Bruce Brown But Wiggins just If I'm gonna assume He has some sort of bounce back I can slot him in easier, you know And then Uber A if he could shoot threes Uber would be a lot higher But that man hasn't shot above

3% in a while and then Struis is just for everything we said inconsistent. That's, yeah, I guess, I guess like for Wiggins, it's just like, we've seen for a majority of his career that he's been kind of disappointed. And so, like, if this was year two, year three, yeah, we can still go ahead, try to make that bet. You see Wiggins, you see his frame, you see how high he can jump. You see, like, his athletic build is very, very intriguing to have that type of. of you know like just raw physical profile on your team but then whenever you actually see it in practice outside of that 22 year you haven't really seen him hit those highs and really put all

those pieces together and the further we get away from that 22 title the more you realize just how crazy that the warriors were able to put all of those things together in terms of matching up timelines getting Andrew Wiggins to buy and getting Jordan Poole to be this like you know next you know next splash brother all that stuff they got a healthy autoporter year That year was just, it was destined, it was fate. But outside of that, everybody kind of just goes back to what they were doing. So I just, I'm not super hopeful about Wiggins. Yeah, me neither.

That's why I was the 27. Last year we did these rankings, he was like 11 because we still gave him like a little bit of grace. They're like, no, maybe it was a rough year. That's the year we had the biggest personal issues. So we're like, let's not overreact. Another year of him being really bad, he plummeted. And listen, I'm not mad at putting him 30, but I was, I wouldn't, at the end of the day, I'd rather take a bet on him than I would Bruce Brown or Ubre.

me personally i think i'd rather take a bit on someone like kelly uber because you know he's going to give you intensity and shit like that at least he's going to scream yeah some people's faces you think he's some ferocious guns you think he's cute that's it all right i've never been a kelly uber saying a day in my life let's get that clear are you wrong all right let's show those bottom five before we go down a rabbit hole all right so at number 26 holy shit we have Dylan Brooks were all in complete lockset. That is hilarious. Wow.

27. Lou Dort. I kind of want to have him higher, but I digress. 28, Bruce Brown, 29. Isaac O'Coro. I saw your three-point shooting mini-leap. I appreciate it. And 30.

Sam Houser. With the way that people were talking about Sam Houser in the NBA finals, just in general, like when you talk about the Celtics in their depth, you're really talking about Sam Houser and what he can do defensively. and for the most part he held his own in almost every single situation and he definitely deserve like the white boy of the summer award for what he did man you love you love you some sam hauser i don't i don't i don't i just appreciate him how the talent great player i'm not i'm not i'm not going to argue with you over sam how i'm not going to argue exactly a triple dog dare you

but i'm wondering who you left off to make room for sam houser wiggins wiggins yeah Yeah, I'm like, what is... I guess, listen, I'm sure. Wiggins is just deflating, bro. Like, I know Samhouser's going to smack some threes for me and try his hardest on defense, bare minimum. Will Wiggins do that? There you go. What more curious for?

I guess. I guess. Exactly. If Wiggins made Samhouser money, I think we'd rather have Wiggins. The problem is Wiggins makes $30 million a year, so he seems a lot worse than he is. But, listen, again, I will refuse to argue with you about Sam Houser so you can have it.

I always win. I always win. I feel like it's a bit low for Lou Dort, though. Yeah. I see Lou Dort and I appreciate the real shooting leave that I saw him take, but also I think he shot like 39% from the three point line over the course of the regular season and something similar to the for the entirety of the playoffs. But those last four games that I saw him play, I think he shot like 29 or 31%.

And it was basically like just ice cold. and him being ice cold along with jad up struggling and also the stuff like maybe i shouldn't put too much attention towards lewdore because he's not he shouldn't be the deciding factor of the game of the game so maybe i would put him a little bit higher now that i look at back i love decent recency bias what did you do in the last three games of the season yeah four so maybe i would put him put him up higher but we'll see we respect the torture chamber on the side Shout to Lou Dord No disrespect at all

100%. All right man Let's move on the next tier 21 through 25 First up is me At 21 This is Johnson Who is that?

Cam Johnson I forget I think it is Yeah It got to be 21 we got Cam Johnson At 22 Denny Avdiah

23 Aaron Neesmith 24 Derek Jones Jr and 25 Lou Dort Hmm Derek Jones Jr. I have Lou Dore I have Lou Dore a whopping

two spots higher than you Yeah okay You're giving me hell for like two seconds. I forgot where I put him. Yeah. You said Derek Jones Jr. You're, hmm, is that too high for you?

Um, considering how great, like this tier right here are genuinely useful role players. Some of the better role player wings in the NBA. And he's not? No, he is. That's what I'm saying. Like, he belongs in this tier. So I can see why you put him in this. I can definitely see why you put him in this.

Me personally, I didn't think to put him in this because I don't know why, but I, his game just seems like power forward in today's NBA or whatever so I completely missed his name I believe but um if I also put his name in this list I think this range is clear cut because these guys are some of the best at or one of the best at their low low tier roles in the NBA yeah see the thing is okay his on ball defense was great this year he played such a big part in the maver's success but I'm also kind of worried that maybe he's a lucre merchant and when we see him not with luca d'anchet his office might be a whole lot worse when we don't have the best passer in the NBA beating him wide open corner threes. So I won't be shocked if you go back to him next year and Derek Jones

Jr. is back to being Derek Jones Jr. and he's not somebody we think about in these top 30 lists. But just based on what he did, how important he was to that finals run, I had to put him in here somewhere. Okay. Yeah. Listen, you, we, we knock people a lot, right, for a residency bias and like what have you done lately? And specifically, probably like the last six games that we saw you play, And so if we're going to knock people for that, you also got to, you know, you got to do the opposite. You got to big people up whenever they have good, good, good series, good runs, especially for the entirety of the year. So, yeah, I don't hate the Derek Jones Jr. love. But I do agree with you.

He probably is a Luca merchant. Yeah. I'm not expecting him to be top 25 next year. But maybe it proves it wrong. Maybe he eats next to Kauai and James Arden. I think Denny of Dia probably should be a little higher. I think his versatility makes him uber valuable. but then again, who can see any value when he was with the Washington Wizards

and you saw nothing but straight sitters pretty much from game one to game 82. I don't blame you for that. There's a little tax over there, but his growth and improvement in efficiency and just all-around game, I love and I think he's going to thrive in Portland next year. So I think next year he's definitely going to be way higher, but I don't blame you for putting him at 22. I agree. Yeah, I mean, I like him too.

I also expect he of a big year. Hasn't had the big year yet. And he was good last year. He averaged 13 on, I think it was 13 Let me check on some really good efficiency Obviously the defense was really good I mean him versus Cam Johnson You're building a team right now

Who would you rather have? It depends on what the team looks like To be honest with you Yeah yeah you never know But on paper your team is probably gonna have Some stars because you're trying to win Let's fucking Lakers Let's say you have a star big man

And a star forward I'd rather have Cam Johnson I'd rather have that shooting from that big guy Who can hold his own defensively And like really stretch the floor And Denny He made shooting leaps he got better because in previous years he was a complete non-shooter

and he had early Josh Hart syndrome where he'd be scared to shoot and would just like attack a close out into nothing in the paint and he actually pulled threes this year and found that aggressiveness that was incredibly important so I think this year is like

the leak before the leap. We all expect him to be that next guy but I don't think it's quite happened yet where I view him as like a lock for top 15 or whatever. Okay. Okay, I respect him being higher, I get it. Yeah, that's fair.

I think I would, my only thing with Cam Johnson is like I love his game. he's what the Atlanta Hots want to Zachary to be eventually pretty much in my mind I'll come back to the but you pick Cam Johnson first overall

that's tough oh that's Cam Johnson when he's healthy great player only issue was that he's first overall healthy once again tough let's see the next five I think I got next

all right so next oh my God again 21 I got Cam Johnson 22, Ubre, love the intensity. 23, Neesmith, nice, one of the best aggressive 3-and-D role players. Does a little bit too much sometimes. But when you just ask them to sit down, shoot threes, and also play hectic defense, great player. RJ Barrett, 24, made a leap, but I want to see how real that leap is continuing next year.

And 25, DeAndi Hunter. Pain. I gave R.J. Barrett more credit than you did. I think he was really good with the Raptors. And listen, if anybody before the Raptor Stint was going to shit on R.J. Barrett for being a bust, it was me. I let Donovan hear about it for the first year and a half of this show that R.J. Barrett kind of stinks. I was not a fan of the game at all. And all the years before, too.

Yeah, for our entire lives, since RJ Barrett was drafted. I've let it be known. I think this guy is not particularly good. And I like watching him a lot with the Raptors. I thought he looked like a completely different player. He was getting downhill, attacking in space, didn't look hampered by expectations, roll, anything of the sort. the Raptors don't have that great of spacing and he was still eating at the rim

the three point shot was falling the passing was better he looked to me like very clearly a top 20 small forward in the league and yeah I agree he definitely he definitely took a leap and you see like there was just a freeness that he played with

that really got him to be like the best version again I don't I don't know like I don't look I don't know if there's going to be another leap I don't know if we're going to talk about RJ Barrett, like he's a top 15, top 14, small forward in the league. But being in the top 20 for a guy that, where, you know, the kind of consensus was on him

last year, where it's like, here he goes hampering the Knicks, he's not taking the leaps, the shooting is inconsistent. And then he goes to, he goes to Toronto, gets back home and everything's cool now. Like, that's, that's really, really massive. So, yeah, he definitely should be in the top 20. The thing is, though, I've been saying it all over this week. Is it because of expectations? No, but the thing is, I've been saying it all this week,

is that I don't want to overreact too much of a small sample sizes. And I don't know if this is too small of a sample size, because it is 32 games. That's a good amount of games. But the shooting leaps he made are so drastic. I'm like, is this kind of impossible for him to replicate? For his whole career, I'm going to go year by year. These are his shooting percentages at the rim.

Keep in mind, he's 6'0.7 and athletic. And they're supposed to be a slag. 54% rookie year damn 55% 55% 59% 57% first first five years in the league before Toronto

damn damn damn damn that's atrocious 65% is good 70 is elite 55 is atrocious then in these 32 games with the raptors 72% that's the same as LeBron hey man he just like that

you know some people some people just have to be in the right environment to fully non quarter threes the first 26 games of the year with the Knicks, 29% with the Raptors 37. These are insane leaps. Yeah.

It takes him from like being like, for lack of better words, being an end of the bench bum to being like a high level starter. Like is this Chris Middleton? Like it's a gigantic difference. Yeah. Him. I attribute like most of that to the system that the new head coach has put in place their motion offense and there's just so much pressure relieved off him

because you got quickly doing his thing. Scottie Barnes is doing his thing like you guys have you got you have your guys and the role is like the roles for him already just like made out to just yo open looks take them make them don't be doing too much stirt line drives don't do too much I don't know how real it is but I'd be looking forward to seeing him continue that's a good point because I'm looking more I'm looking deeper in these numbers with the Knicks 54% of his shots of the rim were assisted which isn't a lot that means he's creating for himself a lot you're not getting a pass throwing to him him, which is not cutting a lot, not running off of screens. With the Raptors, it's 69%. So, like, a vast majority of his shots were assisted, somebody was helping him. That sounds to me more like he's playing with the flow of a good offense and not being forced to just make some shit happen in Tom Tibido's uncreative-ass offense. Wow.

A little bit of help goes a long way. So hopefully it's the right mix of player and scheme and this is who he is now. But I can understand if you have some reservations because 32 games is not a lot. Even if he regresses to the mean or whatever. I would be okay and kind enough to put them towards, like, the top 20, put them towards, like, 17, 18. I'd be fine. I don't think I hadn't that high. This rocks.

Damn, the hit is telling you. He's still large a bear, relax. Too much dip. Too much dip. On what a darned list was like. Let's find out. Let's see it. Split it up.

So I have Bruce Brown at 25. Oh my God. Kelly Uber at 24. Cam Johnson at 23. I have Brandon Miller at 22. And I have Chris Middleton at 21. Chris Middleton at 21. What are you smoking?

Crack? Now, answer this question. You asked me a question. I'm going to ask you a question back. When you think about Chris Middleton, are you thinking about the Chris Middleton that you have seen for the last two years? Or are you thinking about Chris Middleton that you saw three and a half years ago? I'm thinking of the one.

Which version? I'm thinking of the one that averaged 25 points per game. the last playoff series we saw because he was healthy for the playoff run and he was a fucking bucket again that's the one i'm thinking of he was fighting for his life given errin nie smith buckets on buckets on buckets it doesn't matter who was guarding him bro he was he was uber efficient carrying that team alongside damey lard no yes they lost but it's chris middleton at the end of the day what do you expect him to do and he continuously shows up and happens to be one of the more clutch players in the league when he comes to the playoffs i think i think

Chris Middleton has been one of, I think Chris Middleton has been hurt for a lot of the last two years. Yeah, that's for sure. I think Chris Middleton, his scoring has gone insanely down. Chris Middleton can't play 30 minutes a night right now just because, and again, whether that's because he's working his way back from injury or he's doing injury management, no matter what, he's not giving you massive, massive minutes. Chris Middleton also, like, we think about the, we think about the bucks and, how Chris Middleton relates to Janus.

If you want to put him in that duo and be like, because of his value to help out Janus, you can raise him up. Okay. But I don't think that the bucks have a core right now. And so this might, you know, reflect, this reflected with Dame. It's probably going to reflect with Brooke Lopez. It reflects with Chris. I think Janice is doing a lot of lifting for the guys around him.

And for Chris Miller's, I just don't, I don't trust him going into any type of year to be consistently there to be the Chris Middleton that we all thought that he was that not even thought that he was that Chris Middleton was like he was a really really good player and it's been several years now I'm like I don't I don't really know if we're ever going to see that and there's just a lot of other options that if I'm building a team or if I'm sliding somebody in I'd think that I'd rather have them instead of being like well I hope Chris I hope his ankle's okay I hope How dare you disrespect my lord lumpy, man? He's one of the best lumpy-headed players in the entire NBA.

He is a demon when it comes to the mid-headed players are there? You say one of the best, which implies that there's multiple lumpy-headed players in the league. Who else is lumpy? Let's not do this. But I think I probably put Chris Middleton too high. I struggle deeply with this. And I obviously thought similar things to you. I came into this ranking

thinking like Chris Milton's been irrelevant for two years he's not going to be very relevant on this list I'm not going to put him in top 15 or anything like it's done and then I looked at the numbers he is just as good at every single skill nothing has changed except for the fact he's been hurt for two years and obviously two years season before last cooked he played like 30 games

that season was completely lost injury I get it last year he missed a ton of games as well in the middle of the season he started off hurt came back got hurt again came back after the season but he would know he was back for the playoffs they were saving him for that reason and in the playoffs he looked exactly the same

so I ended up not dinging him too much for the health because to me it looks like it's essentially low management that like you said he's only playing 30 minutes per game they know he's getting older and has had these issues so they're saving him for what it matters most and I know when it matters most if he's going to be there he plays exactly the same he hasn't lost a step at all so I'm like do I want to put him lower

because he's been injured and that that sucks but you know he's been hurt it's I guess for you that's just reality that lowers your value or do I want to view it as like you know how good he is at basketball and I went towards that but also but also this is like this is the same thing just on a lower scale that we talk about with Jimmy Butler it's like okay you're not going to take the regular season seriously but whenever you get to the playoffs you're going to turn into Michael Jordan and like there's a there's a tradeoff there and because of that we look at Jimmy Butler and he can be you know in the top 15 top 10 whatever Chris Middleton is not even as great as he played.

He's not turning into Michael. Like that level is he's not reaching. And then the regular season stuff is also less than what Jimmy Butler is. So if you think that Jimmy, if you think that like a reasonable place for Jimmy doing the stuff that he does, operating the way that he operates is around 15 to like 10 or whatever, I think Chris Middleton not reaching those feelings. 15 to 10 for Jimmy Butler? That is nasty. We are very out of sync here. I have both those guys so much higher than you think.

I'm not, I'm, listen, all I'm saying is, and because, listen, who knows why I have Jimmy Butler, but. Apparently in that range. There's a ceiling that Chris Middleton doesn't reach and there's a floor that he hasn't been providing for two years now. So for me, I, I would be more than happy to move him up once we get into the next season. I need to see that Chris Middleton can still be himself or 75% of what we think Chris Middleton can be before I trust him again. I get that. And I think it's an issue of like, listen, when Dame was on the court this year, he was worse, right?

And he has some injuries, but he played worse on the court. I think Middleton has played exactly the same. We just got less of him. Obviously this year, you know, less minutes, less games than when he was back in a regular season when Yannis and Dame were there, he's on a back seat now taking less shots. all those percentages are the same all his impact is the same it's just less availability

which I know matters to you a lot so I understand it doesn't matter a ton to me so I went on the side of putting him similar to where I would if he played 70 games which is probably that's probably not fair I probably should put him lower

if we saw Carson Middleton come back into the playoffs with the with the honest out and we saw him put up like 15 points on what he did during the regular season it wasn't like really that efficient

or really that much of a force or a difference maker or you wasn't looking like the third highest paid player on the team, then I can understand and I would wholeheartedly agree with like this 21 range because that's what he would be. But for him coming back and looking like 110% that guy who is, looks like he deserves and he's warranted of that like fat-ass deal that he got recently, I just don't think it's fair to him.

Yeah. I view it as strictly, his issues are strictly availability. And I view this list as like if I'm comparing a player, who would I rather have in my team next year? that's kind of my general viewpoint is if I had it happen for one year next year it's where we're ranking for

who would I rather have I would rather deal with the woes of having a low manage Chris Middleton like he's fucking Kauai and have him for whatever whatever I view is the most important part this season you know and that's the biggest thing

I can't live like that I just can't do it that's our biggest fundamental difference I cannot live with people being in and out the lineup and hoping like two years that's all that's telling you man

abandonment issues Two years of injuries is when I start to get very, very worried about whoever. I get it. I understand that. I just, I almost take injuries entirely out of the equation for me. And I know I probably shouldn't because injuries do matter. And especially the modern NBA, every year we're seeing honestly that the winner has typically been a war of attrition as of late.

So I should probably think it more important. But I'm just, when I think about that, like, how do you even really quantify that in any consistent way? Like, that's such a vibes-based thing. Like, am I just like, if they miss 50 games, I'm dinging them so many, If they miss 60 games, I'm digging them so many spots. Like, it's so hard to be consistent with that. And there's so much context for each guy and their injury issues that I just try to avoid it entirely.

Also, why the hell is Brandon Miller at 22? He should be higher. I think that's funny. I just like, I mean, he's a rookie. He's a rookie. He's a rookie. You love, you love Brandon Miller. You do like, I know.

So I know that Brandon Miller is like, I prepare myself to see him fairly high on your list. but like even at even at this stage would you rather have brandy miller or chris middleton i don't know that's exactly exactly that's weird he's good he's fine he's okay i'm worried i'm worried to see where mo has chris middleton i feel like i might look insane with a high high put him if donovan has him at 21 i'm very worried where mo put him mo has him at like 14 that i can live with then i won't be insane but i'm guessing i'm starting to think i should have dinked him a little more for the injuries I'll say that. I'm a huge Chris Middleton guy.

I'm a huge Chris Middleton guy. He says that. He's one of my favorite playoff performance, to be honest with you. I hate that I admitted it out loud, but it's true. That's nasty. I feel like I put Brennan Miller a bit too high. He probably should be around here. Originally, I had him at like 23.

I had him below Naismith. I'm like, Miller's a rookie, man. He's great for a rookie, but he's a rookie. You have to understand. Rookies are not efficient. They're not physically. Brandon Miller was efficient, though, for his rookie. He didn't get to the room at all.

his rookie year for his rookie year exactly that's not bad though at all sure we're grading him against non- rookies right we're not grading everybody on a rookie scale but i'm moving a little bit higher like we can move on maybe i'm first i don't know is next year i think it's probably donovan okay no it's you i was don't again i guess he well r jr j barrett at at 20 denny at at 19 lute door at 18 uh mpj at 17 jada mcdaniels at 16 okay you have door wait you have door high okay i like I love Lou Dorrit. I really do. Lou Dorrit is awesome and he plays a style of defense that is just refreshing to see.

He'd be running around. He'd be tackling people. He's very, he's very, he looks like a Nick to you. That's why you're saying this. No, he's just very, he's just very, very physical as a, as a defender. And I appreciate watching him on the defensive end. And then especially with him taking the leave that he did as a shooter. I also really, really appreciate.

appreciate that. And so like you think about being a three and D guy, Dort was always like trying to creep into that range and it was more, um, theoretical than like what he was actually doing. Last year was legitimately, hey, I'm a really, really good defender and I, you have to respect me beyond the three point line. So I like the, the leaps that he makes. I'm putting him high. Okay. The fucking Thunder had like some kind of Miami heat voodoo on their side. Everybody on that roster shot 40% from three. It was ridiculous. Yeah, that was crazy. Lou Doer from 33% to 39, like, Chad Holmgren got there and they all started acting different.

They all started making every single three they took. It was crazy. Yeah. If there was one player or the OKC core that I thought was going to be phased out, I was almost 100% sure it was going to be someone like Lou Dwart. But seeing that, I thought he was going to get traded two, yeah. I'm like, hey, this guy's here to stay. It's one of them ones and I would have him higher looking back at it for sure. But this, I like to order your list so far.

Maybe I would, I don't know if I would. Michael Porter Jr. is hard to rank. Is he is? is I think because like if Michael Porter Jr. was on any other team outside of playing with Yokic, do we still think the the fact that he does not pass the ball? Do we still think that that's amusing? Because like you have Yokic who's going to get 10 to 11 assist. And if you're playing with any other star player, that guy like if you can get you know two or three assists out of MPJ, that's fine. But because Yokic is taking basically a lot of the playmaking.

responsibilities, you're fine with it. And you think about that team construction, and you're like, hey, Aaron Gordon, he's the forward who's going to guard the hardest assignment. And Yolkich, he's the guy who's going to make all the hard passes. And Jamal Murray's going to play off him. All MPJ has to do is be big and shoot. And he does that. And he fills his role. But again, if you're putting him on any of the team, how does that translate? I think, like, what would he look like if he was in Larry Markening spot on the jazz in that role running off the screens cutting getting these backdoor cuts creating the with a ball in his hands a little bit but like without without yokech being the one diamond him up as he's making the cuts in the in the reet like yeah what if he had a little bit more

atomity as a is that the word as a creator yeah and like was forced to you know lead the offense and make things happen rather than be a finisher like I have no idea what it was that right there with his just natural trigger happy mindset on the basketball court would be probably not a not the best look. I, I'm pretty sure we can all be safe to assume that he would be way less efficient. But for what he does and what he's, like you said, Donovan, just shoot and be big, he accomplishes that and he's one of the best at that in the entire league. So 17 is fine for me. Okay. Who's up next? Should be Isaac, Moe? Me. Okay. So at 16, I have Trey Murphy the 3rd. At 17, Josh Hart, 18 Michael Porter Jr., 19, R.J. Barrett, and 20 Brandon

Miller. I'm going to be, I, I had Brian Miller too high. I should have put him lower, but I end up giving him credit for, honestly, his second half of the year were stronger. That's why I ended up doing it is with a rookie, you know, he has rookie tax. For the year, he didn't get to the rim at all. He didn't shoot super well at the rim, but he was a great shotmaker. Defended pretty well, I think, and isn't a black hole of a passer. And I look at those stats, like that looks like a rookie season to me. What I like to do for rookies is look at the second half of the year? Remember in the last 30 games or so, we're talking about Wemby making like a second year leap in the within the rookie year. If that happens, that's like the sign this guy's good already. He's already effective. And Brandon Miller was essentially averaging 20 points for game for the last 41 games this season. He'd gotten just slightly better at everything. So I gave him more credit at the end that

that's going to be who he is next year pretty clearly. And to me, that's a highly effective shooter that can create attacking closeouts, can do a little bit of pick and roll. That's a guy that already deserves three top 20. Yeah, I mean, I just, me personally, I had him higher. I think his potential, also,

So a part of the reason why I had my heart is because I'm projecting also with what he's between what he is what he is now and also what he can be. And I think he's right under the middle of just like the Paul George prototype. I'm not saying he's going to be that, but he's under that vein. That's why people are attracted to his style of play because he just does pretty much everything well. And to see him do what he did a day one in that type of environment in Charlotte where they're not doing him many favors.

The mellow ball gone, the primary initiator, gone. Secondary initiator, Terry Rozier, are gone. Of course, he's not going to get to the rim because. He has who along his side to help him direct traffic? Grant Williams. He's just not getting in the rim. He's just, he's just bad at that. You love this, man.

You love this man. He's just, no, he's going to be at 16, isn't he? He was bad in college at getting to the rim, and he's bad at the NBA at it. He has to get better at that. That wasn't because of supporting cast. Supporting cast attributes to that. Sure, but he's also bad at it. So, like, I feel you.

If I'm projecting, I agree, he's going to be extremely good, but it's not abnormal for a skinny wing to be bad at getting to the rim when he's a rookie and he weighs 190. By year two, three, he's, he's gonna get better at that for sure but that is a legitimate weakness right now for sure but i don't think like him not getting to the rim like for me personally docked him enough because i think i that i that's just nothing that i foresee him that i see like stopping him from being good in the NBA sure but for now it makes him relatively inefficient so for now it's a it's a hindrance to him being like i mean i compare him to like a tray murphy chray murphy just

like molly whops him shooting on every part of the court because he's older because he's not a rookie right like i don't view they're not weight on they're on the same scale i i not a ricky scale which for a rickie scale brandon miller had an incredible year for an overall top 30 list good year you know i think 20 is me being generous but it i i don't think can be any hard in this tray murphy what mollywops and i don't know about the word mollywops i think they're dozens here and your list so is that right now okay well i'm okay what what's your list where do you see where you at all right number six oh my guys top it to have you fucking glazer you fucking glazer i got josh

hart 17 jada mcdaniels 18 denny of dia he's one of my guys for some odd reason at number 19 who's jones again i forget who that is is that derrick jones junior should you tell me jose uh no my bad herb jones that's herb jones herb jones oh you've heard from the 19 what the Fuck. Do you have Greta Miller Highland, Herb Jones? Go to hell. And then at number 20, I have MPJ. Put Herb Jones in Charlotte and see what he does.

Well, we're not in Charlotte. We're not basing value off of who can survive in goddamn Charlotte. I'm talking about who's the better player. And if you can survive in the Sharpe is the best defender in the NBA. It's Herb Jones. The best premier defender in the league. Okay, there we go. There we go.

At his position. Add his position, the best defender. Okay, yeah, I'm not going to tug your toe, but yeah, I understand you when I hear you, but again, step back, projecting. Answer is there. This list is not for projecting. You can't tell me what my list is about. What the hell?

Whatever are all my list. Your list isn't about projecting. See, first it was Jayling Green at 9. Now it was Brandon Miller top 15. You just love you some young, exciting players. I get it. I think it's a fair way to do it. I, if I was to sit here and look at someone like Jayling,

Not my bad, not Jalen green, but old dude, Brandon Miller, I have to see. Like, his potential is truly promising to me. And if I didn't see those signs and I was just like, man, like I put him in the back half because I just feel like he doesn't project him naturally as well enough. But if he deserves to be along some of those names and I'm going to put him there, maybe not as I want to be, but. But I get it. But I feel like the objective is who's the best today, now who's going to be the best in 16

months? So I would agree with you if we were projecting. but I thought I tried not to project do it like a year by year basis but I get it different different criteria yeah either way 19 for Herb Jones is crazy like yeah that's the one I hate more you can have Brandon Miller

love 19 I don't yeah I don't care about Brandon that's your man's like it's very clear exactly for for the all defensive teams to be positionless and we know where it slants to and we know that like big men are always going to get that vote you put the four big men on there

and instead of finding another big they said no herb jones has to be has to be on that list like herb jones is legitimately locked down he took he took steps forward with a shot and if you have herb jones defense and a competent three point shot that is like all you can ask for in terms of like a three and d player in terms of a role player and every team in the league would be ecstatic to have him he's better he's better than denny he's better he's better than than the McDaniels, if you think that, like, McDaniels can, like, what, create a little bit more, like, okay, fine, I guess. But even still, like, Herb's defense is, that's what I'm saying. Like, if that, that's the only way that I think that you, like, get them because Herb's

defense is just that much better than a whole bunch of people on this list. And he wasn't just a competent shooter. He wasn't just competent of a shooter. He shot 46% from the corner of this year. Yeah, but the, the attempts weren't that crazy. I believe just in, like, totality from 3.9, he just saw, like, three or four or something. that so the volume isn't there just yet but want to put him higher what do you want to get to like six seven like he's in the fifth option five five give me give me five and then I can go ahead and

one more three one more three game you want him to take an evan mobly size leap okay one line in terms of attempts and now you can put him where he deserves to be he's again he's the fifth option he's fine The lowest usage in the top six, it's not his fault. Not his fault at all. But again, I'll tell you one thing. He'd lock Brandon Miller up. Brandon Miller wouldn't be able to do that. All right, let's relax.

Let's relax. For your turn, there's a no one-v-one competition list. Yeah, exactly. If this is the case, Brandon Miller would be top 10. Fuck is you talking about. You can love Brandon Miller all you want. I don't mind. You can't hate on Herb Jones.

Unacceptable. This is a pro-herbert podcast. Thanks. Pro Herbert. Why did you say Herb? Just say Herb. When you say Herber, I want to make him like 28. Let's take to Herb.

Let's see what's next. Next. Next, next tier. Ooh, okay. So at number 11, O.G. Ninobe. 12. Franz Wagner.

13. It was so hard to rank DeMarter Rosen because he's such a, you know what he is? You know what, like, he has been. But then there's other players who are like, Franz Vagging. What could he be? 14. Brandon Miller. 15, Tray Murphy.

Okay. I want to see, I want to see Mozellis compared to everybody. Can we just go to like to everybody's? Because I feel like this is a very like interesting point to like debate everybody. Okay. Trey Murphy, I don't mind you have one spot higher than me. That's cool. We know you're insane at Brandon Miller, but we'll let you be that because you love him.

I respect it. Everybody has to have a guy. I like that. DeRosen is fair. I have him higher. contextual but I understand it's so weird to like place him and rate him in today's you know what he does but it's like let's go the next let's go the next person yeah fuck I'll see them all so I have brand new room at 11 DeMarter Rosen at 12

Franz Wagner at 13 Herbert at 14 and McDaniels of 15 okay yeah I'm cool with that I have de Rosen at 11 Franz at 12 Herb Jones at 13 Josh Howard at 14 and then Trey Murphy at 15 Okay so the Rosen 11 12 13 we all feel relatively similar about him I guess that's fine it's the same issue I'm the same tier I struggle with him versus Ingram I think that that's that shouldn't be a struggle at all talented to Rose is more talented than Brandon Ingram at this point I think I think for what they do der Rosen is really good but it just comes down to again but that tiebreaker is always if I had to build a team for next year who would I rather have and despite ingram's flaws was frustrated the

fuck out of me his DeAndre Hunter symptom of not taking open threes and turning it into tough mid-range shots and go and jab, jab, jab. Despite that issue, I'd rather, obvious reasons, he can shoot it from three better and can defend better. I can fit him with teams way easier. Yeah, okay. So listen, I think, yeah,

I think all, listen, everybody's here. Everybody that's here is, like, in the right spot. Obviously, we're not going to go to the Brandon Miller thing. So, as I saw, I see, like, so you have, you have Josh Hart higher. You have Josh Hart top 10. I'm assuming. No, I already, I already said Josh Hart.

He was my last year. Oh, will you say Josh? He was like 17 or something. Okay, missed that. Yeah, Josh Hart top 10. Hell not. He was at 17. Okay, cool.

Right behind Shane Murphy. Hmm. Okay, yeah. This is cool. I'm surprised. So, like, I wanted to, I think, like, for me, the hardest person on this, in this range was Franz because I really do want to believe that, like, Franz is going to remember how to shoot threes next year.

But the drop-off that he had last year, was kind of concerning. I mean, he's been a good shooter for a majority of his career and maybe it's just a bad season. Maybe, you know, now that they have KCP,

you have another floor space so he's going to be able to find his shot again. Maybe, you know, maybe get some better looks, but I, I think that talent-wise, Franz definitely should be top 10 on this list.

He just has to remember how to shoot. I just spilled a bunch of water. Dang. Fucking crayon eater, bro. Holy shit. I'm not going to do anything about it. It's on a carpet. It's going to soak in.

Fuck it. It's the top. What did you say? You didn't put a top on it? So it's this hydro flask and I forgot to push the straw back down and I put it down and it fell over and it was spilling out the top. Yeah. You're both of them. But I think you're right.

I'm honestly just like, I'm just waiting and seeing with Wagner. I didn't really hold it against him too much of the cold shooting year. It happens. Yeah. But it was a cold-ass shooting year. It matters a lot. and it was tough it's a wait-and-see thing i'm giving him benefit of the doubt for now but if he comes out next year shooting 30% again or sub he's a 28% this year then he's plumbing on the list and i'm

having a tough conversation with myself about his long-term value when your whole like when the whole like ploy to you is like yeah big wing super versatile you know it doesn't really have a weakness on the court and you have that dramatic of a fall off from the three-point line that worries me so much, but I'm sticking it through with him. I put him there slightly because of like, you know, again, I'm projecting, but also with all those things he does does well, playmaking, creating, knowing how to get to the rim and figuring out how to carve his ankles, even though he's literally like one of the least athletic players in the entire NBA, talented dude, as soon as that three-point shot comes around or

if it gets even like 3% better, I'd be fine with still putting him here in this range. right man this is a pretty pretty easy range i think i mean ingram and a rosen are the two oh so you guys have ingram higher you have in top 10 okay yeah for interesting why do you i forgot i have to see who's who you have higher than that ingram in order the difference is ogy and obi you have ogy at 11 i have og top 10 yeah he should be top 10 but so let's move on let's go to the top 10 oh geez ogy we spent so my first tier here I have j Jimmy Butler at six. I have J-dub at seven,

McHale Bridges at 8, OGN and Obie at 9, and Chris Milton at 10. Okay, so why do you have J-Dub at 7? That's like screaming right there. Do you have him lower? Because he's good. I'm not answering any questions right now.

I'm talking about you right now. Why do you have him at 7? Because he's fucking him. What do you mean? He's the best non-all-star guard here. And forward. Him and Bridges. Bridges is obviously a superhero role player.

I think that not just projecting right now like some playoffs he struggled let me say that first the Dallas Mavericks defense went fucking sicko mode and locked up everybody not named Shea that was rough he's gonna learn from that

and get better because of it he needed to see these playoff coverages and really you know the youth and inexperience shows in those moments and he needed to have that lump to get better so I didn't go crazy and say he's top five or anything but I think he's also a level right now for the regular season the only reason he's not like putting up the type of production

is simply usage because he's next to J-dub, I mean next to a Shea, and they have a very egalitarian offense that J-dub hasn't reached the age yet where he can demand enough touches like a Shea so where they can both average 25 plus. He's very young, played within himself. He's also playing fucking power forward because they refused to sign somebody big, so he both of them guarded fours, which is ridiculous. But he's a great shooter, great getting to the rim, very good passer, really good defender. I legitimately think he has no weakness in his game other than what we saw in the playoffs where people got into his handle.

He was essentially just getting locked down one-on-one and need to get a deeper bag, honestly. That's what it was, is he had to learn how to adapt to tough coverages where they force him to win in isolation. He needs to get better at that. He needs to get stronger, all that stuff. I don't see a huge weakness to put him below McHale bridges

because I think he's also a great defender and also a great big-moist shooter. Okay. Now my main target that I'm thinking about is Brandon Ingram. I'm not mad at where you put Middleton because I'm pretty much in line with how you how we all believe in him and how me and you believe in him and his rises in the playoffs and whenever he's there he's fucking there no questions about that whatsoever but having bridges

above it's probably unfair just sounds like straight like team building and he's just easier to go ahead and fit anywhere in the league same thing can be applied to olgiannobie as well yeah correct you're saying like it's a majority that's exactly what it is i think wren ingram is incredibly talented, but incredibly hard to fit alongside other star ball handlers. And Brandon Ingram, while being incredibly talented, is not talented enough to be your lead star ball handler. So that's a tough equation to crack. That he can shoot threes, you know, well, he can defend well. It sounds like he should be good playing next to stars. But something about it doesn't quite work. He's not he's not going to be a high volume catch-a-shoe guy. I think he just doesn't want to play that way.

And his, like, he has his skill sets, but doesn't have the mindset and want to. And maybe it's a coaching issue, maybe he gets trade to a team that wants to buy into that role more and he's asked to do that and he thrives in it and does it. I haven't seen it yet and it worries me a little bit. I mean, there's a lot of like overlapping over there in New Warren. So I think it's definitely like him being in the type of year that he had, especially in the playoffs when he wasn't really that healthy. I can completely understand that. But I think if he was in a place in a space to where somewhere like, I don't know, Utah alongside Larry Marketing, we would definitely, he would definitely shine and so many, he would definitely shine and he would have so many more brighter spots out there

on the court and his strengths would be humming. Why? Because they don't have a ball hand that's as good as him on that team. But the pelicans play many games without Zion, many games. And he doesn't exactly rise to the occasion. Like we've seen him in many team constructions over there. He has plenty of spacing around and plenty of big wings. I think he looked good defensively, so I'll give him that. But I don't know. I feel like the pelicans should be a spot where he can fit. It was when whenever zan wasn't on the court that's the issue when we didn't see him on the court like last season back when they were going toe to toe with the phoenix sons in the first round i believe he was legitimately like over here duking it with with uh devon booker and chris paul it seems like

we forget so easy and i understand it but at the same time like the context you're right we winked in high last year you're right but that's the but that's the that's the that's the problem though but that's but yeah that's the that's the problem is that when and obviously like zon is a very unique player and he needs like a certain you know like archetype of players around him but if if you put mikhail bridges next to zion it would be much much smoother if you put an oj and an obi it would be much smoother now whether or not you think that's it kind of is because he's not it's exactly his fault i think i think david griffin's fault he cannot the theory in theory zion and ingram i think fine together you have you need two ball handlers you need multiple ball handlers to thrive you can't

Like, if it's Zion and four shooters, you're not going to be good enough. You need dynamicism. And he's just not that type of guy that wants to play off ball and do the type of, he needs the ball in his hands, I think, to really get in his rhythm and get his game off and play the way he wants to play. And again, I just don't know how many team constructions. It's like what we mentioned last week with DeMarter Rosen, I think, or I forgot who we're talking about.

With Beal? I mentioned with Beal, that he's very good, but needs to be in the right team. And I use the Kings, for example, who have a point guard who is their lead score and a big man who can be a distributor so that leads itself well to a big wing like an Amardo Rosen coming in and focus on scoring that could work well for Ingram but outside of that

you think about the most serious teams in the league who are trying to win a championship it's hard to imagine Ingram fitting well with the best players I don't know if the same too much because anybody can fit with Steph Curry doesn't matter but perfect situation scenario if that was the case I don't even I don't think he would

I don't think he would do you view baron ingram as a type of guy who wants to run off of screens catch the ball and make reads no i view him as a guy that wants to get into a pick and roll get into an isolation and do his thing and that's not at all how the warriors play while that is true i think there's other values that he brings which was which is like changing up the pace of the game and also adding another layer that is clear cut like needed for the warrior's offense because basically right now steff draymond green pick and rolls or whatever the warriors are terrible right now so they need anything but that's what's the

the point. I mean, same thing. Same thing applies. I think it's just genuinely all about like team construction and where he's been put in his career. I agree. That's the thing. Because you have Brandon Ingram and he needs such a, there's such a small window of places that he can fit in such a narrow like a window of team construction that he actually works in. That, that works against him when you're talking about, even if you want to, you know, talk about Chris Middleton. and Chris Middleton can play off ball much better than Brandon Ingram. Ogee and McHale, they provide things on the opposite end of the floor that Brandon Ingram just doesn't.

And Mikhail has taken a step forward with his offense. OJ and Inobie has taken steps forward. And so now I'm looking at it. And it's like, do I want to have a guy that probably has to be higher up in the offensive scoring order? But my defense is going to suffer. or like the relationship between my top guy and my second guy might not be as smooth.

You just don't fit in a lot of places. And so that doesn't mean that you're a bad player. But if we're ranking and now we get to the top 10, these are like the small nitpicky type of things that we're basing stuff off of because obviously all these guys in the top 10 are the best at their position. I will say, I should have put him above Chris Middleton, I think.

I think that's the one. I should have ding Chris Milton one more spot for the lack of health. That's what I'm cool with that. And you could argue, and I know we could be argued, I guess, if you want to value a brand new room does the ball in his hands. If that's a valuable skill set to you, I can understand putting him as high as nine. But that's the highest.

Like, you know, all these guys have ranges where it's acceptable, right? Like, that's how we should really view it. And Ingram's range is like nine to 12. Yeah. Who's next? Yeah, I agree. All right. Who's next?

Next block we got. It's probably me. Oh, there we go. Okay, so at number six, I have Paul George, seven, J-dub. I put you on the spot and I was like, well, fuck's he at seven for you. And I had him at the same rage. Eight, I'm even higher than you

than Chris Middleton. So I have Chris at eight. Fucking love that guy. Number nine, I have Brandon Ingram, and 10, I have Macau Bridges. Listen, you love you some mid-range buckets. From Miller being super high, Middleton and Ingram, both being in the top nine.

you love a mid-range jumper. I just see that creation and I'm just like I think you who kill him could take me to higher places if I build my team

the correct way now sadly a lot of teams don't do that is that my problem no okay listen if Kevin Durant

was a general manager of a team he would think exactly like you and that's fine to each of their own you like hard bucket getters, which is a talent to respect for sure, I find out. No, I just, let me stop you right there.

I just see these bucket getters and I see them being miscasted. That's it. I see them for who they truly are. Exactly. The game's about a bucket. It's a ball don't stop-ass tier. But if you value that skill set more than me, I respect it. Like, that is a very valuable skill set.

And to some degree, people devalue it too much at times, you know. And if you want to put those guys above an OG and over, I understand. I can't really understand with him to kill Bridges because I think he struggled with last year efficiency-wise

because he was asked way too much on that terrible last net's team but I think he's a guy that can do the role player stuff that Ogen-Nobie does and do the secondary creation stuff of a middle-thead and Ingram so for him

I can't put That's a little bit too much because that's when his value starts to get deep that's where you start to like deval him a little bit and his defense suffers tremendously like we saw last year

like you said but you see we're not going to see him be the number one option anymore. We're going to see him in a good middle ground role. He was too good to be like the fourth option with the Suns like he was and not good enough to be that one option. He's going to fit squarely in between Julius Randall

and Jalen Brunson and be that perfect balance, I think. And to me, that's going to mean the defense is better than it was last year and the offense is better than it was in Phoenix. And that's going to be the perfect middle ground there that I can't put him above. I mean, I can't put him below Middleton and Ingram. That sounds like he's put in the perfect situation.

Oh my God. I wish it happened for Brandon Ingram. Shit. What is the perfect Brandon Ingram situation? Put him in Utah. Damn it, and you'll see it. And you know what? The perfect situation is for Brandon Ingram results in 42 wins. That's the problem with Brandon Ingram.

How many wins did the Macau Bridges get last year? Who gives the fuck? He's not in the situation anymore. The situation sucks. The situation was terrible. But you know what? This year, the perfect situation with the Knicks, they're going to win like 56 games.

It's going to be a lot different. Yeah 60 I can't Listen You got J-D up at 7 Oh you have Paul George At 6 interesting

So you had Jimmy Butler above him Yeah I know who Jimmy Butler is Simple as that Fair enough And I see Paul George The injuries Yeah

I know who ball George is as well I can Those two like can be flipped I think I believe I had Jimmy Butler at 5 So I don't really care about like How you guys on pancake him Yeah I'm listening

And we know that Jimmy Butler, like you said, we know who he is. Not a lot of value in the regular season comparatively, but in the playoffs, because he goes demon time. I think, this might be a personal bias. I'm just sick of that shit. I hate watching the heat in the regular season because I hate watching Jimmy Butler mail it in. So maybe it's personal bias. I'm just tired of that fucking not trying the regular season shit. People devalue regular season a lot because there's just like Kevin Durant-ass mindset that he said a lot in the media that like the only thing that matters is the playoffs.

one second he's dying had a cough I'm still sick I'm still sick I'm still sick I'm still sick I got to drink some water

talk about 16 game players and all that matters is the playoffs before that it's a big move in NBA media to devalue the regular season and I fucking despise that

that's how you get in the Miami heat situation where every year they're playing the goddamn one seed and Jimmy Butler has to turn into Superman I just think that's moronic and I think we need a value

regular season of production, so you're not playing the Nuggets in the first round every year. You're not playing the Celtics in the first round every year. I just hate that we move too much towards postseason in these rankings. I mean, it's... I agree. They work harder, not smarter. And I despise that. And it's not even harder. Like, you're not working hard on the regular season. I think it's the opposite. He's trying to work smart and save himself for the playoffs. And maybe he's at the age where he has to do that. Maybe that's just a reality. Maybe he can't do it for a full season. And that's fine. It's only me have one thing on It's not, surely it's not effort.

Jimmy Butler's not a guy who doesn't try. So let me not act like it's, you know, a virtue thing. But I value the regular season, and I want guys that are going to produce there and lead me to high seeds and win games. I do too, and I'm glad that you said that. And with that, can we go to mine? Because I have Brandon Ingram at 10,

Jimmy Butler at 9, O.D. and Nobby at 8, Mikhail Bridges at 7 and J-dub at 6. And we could, listen. Well, I value the regular season less than you do, apparently, because 9 is crazy. No, no. I'm, I'm, I'm, you have OG better than Jimmy Butler? I'm so tired.

I'm so, I'm so tired of, listen, I told you guys before the season that I'm out on the Miami Heat, a big part of that is because, is because of Jimmy, but we put Jimmy Butler so high because of what, because of what you think that he can do in the playoffs. He is, like Isaac said, you look at Jimmy Butler and you say, I don't care what he does for the first eight months. months of the season. All I know is that whenever the playoffs come, he's going to rise to a crazy level. We saw last year that he, even though that he got hurt, when the heat were like down at the bottom and Jimmy Butler was going out after games and he's like, it's time to turn it on, it's time to turn it on. Guess what? It never got turned on. Nothing, nothing happened. And so there's a reason why pat riley is calling jimmy butler out in the in the media in press conferences because he's like bro one you're not playing and if we want to talk about that and my personal

stuff since he's gotten to miami he barely plays during the regular season his last two years have been his healthiest he's played 64 and 60 games in the last two years before that three straight years of under 60 games last year was his worst year in miami he scored the least amount of points he had the least amount of assists he had the the worst amount of of uh rebounds wow He is declining as a player. And if he's not going to turn into Michael Jordan, then we really, really have to rethink where we're going to put Jimmy Butler.

We can't give him this past. I was okay doing it last year. I was okay doing it last year. I'm not doing it again this year. Defend, pass and declining. He's still better than McCall Bridges and Ogena Nobie. Doesn't matter.

This is textbook expectation charge, expectation tax. Even with him not trying, he's still producing more than O.G. Anobo. be like relax I'm with you and listen if we're gonna cook Mo for his crazy

pigs we've got to cook you nine is absurd I am also low on him but when we're high on him that means Jimmy Butler's like three or four to go all the way to nine is crazy I'm not high on him and again like you saw

the magic the little pixie dust that they had over the last three years that's over they ran out of they ran out of magic dust and you are seeing you are seeing him like you are seeing Jimmy get to a point where and I think that we are really, really going to see it this year.

He has an insane amount of dog, but the dog's getting older and there's a little bit more bark than bite to him. And it's not going to be the same thing. And so I'm not going to put him super, super high. And if I wanted to build a team or if I was like, hey, I need to go win a title or like get, you know, put people in, I think OG fits in to a lot more places than. Sorry, but OGE and nobody's not leading any further. He's probably getting a little bit worse.

I'm not talking about being the one option. If that's the criteria, fine. Jimmy Butler, you got it. But if we're talking about being a two, being a three, being available, being, and I know that OJ has issues too. But still, if I'm talking about going out and still guarding people, I know Jimmy tries, he tries much harder on defense, his defense is not as good as OGs

That's not that's not that's not the case That has also declined so this amazing two-way player Scoring but everything else is better So it doesn't matter except for the three-point shot No, but you never see it You never see I'm not I'm not I'm not giving Jimmy Butler You're like you're acting you're acting like regular I'm not giving him the past

You're acting like regular season Jimmy Butler is like 12 points a game and two assists He's still 25 and 5 a great play making Leading the Miami Heat the way they want to play He still has some regular season value I just don't think it's top five. And what's the way that they want to play? They end up in the playing every single year. They are an eight seed consistently.

Consistently, they are five games. They are five minutes away from their season being ended. If you want to talk about Pat Riley being old and washed and discovering these diamonds in the ruffs and then laying them walking free agency and refusing to rebuild and perpetually being made with the supporting cast, so be it. But that's not all on Jimmy Butler's shoulders.

You don't got to pretend all of it. Well, everybody talks about the heat and everybody, we acknowledge they have the best coach. They have the best coach in the league. They have spolster. They have an all defensive center. They have this heat culture that gives everybody plus 10. And at the center of it, you have Jimmy Butler, who you guys are saying is the six best, the six best small forward in the league for Mo, top five, all this other stuff. You are supposed to put an all NBA caliber small forward right there.

and we can't get out the playing in the Eastern Conference we can't get to a top six seed because you can't turn up in March no I'm not giving you that pass you can't be you can't pass the Pacers Tyrese missed a whole bunch of time you can't beat the Pacers I'm not doing

I'm not giving you that pass you should have turned up you looked into the camera every year oh it's time to go it's time to go you can't turn up if you could turn up and if you could flip a switch you wouldn't be in that position in the first place y'all you're not getting there i preface this part of the list by saying maybe i'm just biased maybe i'm sick of the heat i'm sick of jimmy butler's stick you're not doing it and i was like i'm sorry i'm biased

it's fine i didn't realize that donovan was tripling down on the bias my bad i didn't realize he hates the heat more than i do i didn't realize he was sick of jimmy butler more than i was so that's where i went wrong i shouldn't have apologized because i didn't know he was coming up after me where have they where have they been and let me i need to look at their franchise index and see where they have finished they have finished jimmy bluer is not the miami me heat he's not the only player on the team no man i hear i hear everything that you're saying and some of it's a valid i don't like the way you're angulate you're angling it necessarily because you're making it seem like jimmy beller is the miami heat culture and shit like that

which he is but he's not like responsible for oh my god like Kyle lowry being so he's right massive deal and show i'm sorry the i'm sorry the the best the best player and mr oh i'm going I'm going to get out the mud. I'm going to work harder. It sounds like he sold it was on price space. Plenty of times before this. No, it's not even that.

But like, no, he's right. Donovan's right. He's just putting it, him too far down for those reasons. Like the reasons are right. It's just dramatic. O.

We can't look. Bridges, okay. O.G. And O.G. And O.G. You're going to be okay. OG hasn't done that either.

I'm saying, well, OG, he has won a ring. OG didn't play for the whole 20-9th. That's disgusting. You can't. Please do not tell me that OG has won a ring. He was on the bench.

Let's get into the ring culture. No, it's not even like, it's not even like that. I actually just said, I don't know what came out of my mouth. But, but, but no, like, I'm, I'm not doing it this year. I'm not doing it this year. And if Jimmy Butler wants to come in and he wants to actually take the regular season, take eight months of basketball for real, then we can have a conversation. But it's clear that he doesn't respect that I'm not, I'm not.

saying that he's going to that in the game that he plays he like mails it in but it's clear that he does not put a value on the regular season and the whole heat season last year and what i think it's going to be this year is going to be miami and it's going to be jimmy butler looking at you know being on the outside looking in and being like well if it isn't the consequences of my own actions and they're just not going to be in that in a position and a lot of it in my opinion is because of Jimmy Butler. Yeah. All right, man.

You guys ready for the top five? Let's go ahead and see it. We're going to see all of our lists at once. Top five is always a grand reveal. I'll say my list first, then Mo, then Donovan. Let's get into it. At one, I have LeBron James.

At two, Jason Tatum. Three, Kevin Durantz. Four, Kauai Leonard. And five, Paul George. Wow. I think I'm upset at you. LeBron James at number one. Look at this.

I was sitting down screaming, hooting, and hollering during the stream. You sitting down here telling me that you'd rather had Jason Tatum on your team than LeBron fucking James. Are you bat shit crazy? Say your list. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Say your list.

Number one, I got LeBron, two Tatum, three, Durant, four Kauai, and five Butler. Donovan. I was, I was set up. I've Tatum, I've Tatum at one. I've LeBron at two. Kee, bro. Paul George Ford. Kawai 5.

Okay, okay, I'll go. I'll go. I get it. I'm the wishy-washy one. I understand. All playoffs, I defended Jason Tatum. I know it. He's good.

He's doing his job. He's very good. I love Jason Tatum. There was a point where Mo, I think it was on one of the streams. Yes. Said, would you rather have him or LeBron? And I was like, I mean, I guess you've got to give Jason Tain the credit or the past two years that you've got to give the nod there, right?

It's only fair. I said that in the moment. Every single time we've ranked players, I have never once put Jason Tatum over LeBron James. When we did our Christmas episode and we rate the top third in the league I did not put Jason Tito over LeBron James When we did a small fours last year at this time

I did not put Jason Taino over LeBron James I said that in the moment Because I have been gaslit by the NBA media And the NBA Twitter consensus, the NBA world To think of LeBron James as his old fuck That has lost a step 40 years old, can't do anything Isn't what he once was

The Lakers are a playing team Because he can't do it anymore Yada yada yada That image was in my brain Because the Lakers had went out sad when we had that conversation and Jason Tatum was in the finals I was like listen maybe it's over

LeBron's old you can't lead a team like that anymore it's fine he can be the second best small forward I'll live and then I thought about it and really looked at everything every piece of you know measurable data

anything I could possibly get my hands on every skill set piece by piece and I'm like what the fuck does Jason Tatum do better than LeBron James even his diminished state he's a better finisher he gets to the room more often and shoots better there

obviously the way better passer he shot better from three this year and it's not just a low-volume thing. LeBron was shooting his ass off, being a legitimately really good off-ball player. So you can't even get Tatum that anymore. LeBron's also portable playing next to stars. Jason Tatum average 0.4 rebounds more.

There you go. Jason Tain is a better rebounder. You look at advanced stats, which I don't usually pull up like these type of advanced stats, but I think it's relevant in this conversation for where these guys are. EPM, LeBron higher.

Offensive EPM, LeBron higher. Defensive EPM, LeBron higher. Box plus minus. LeBron higher. Value of replacement. LeBron higher. True senior percentage. LeBron higher. Every single measurable thing

LeBron is better at. Now, Jason Tatum is a better defender. LeBron is not actively defending like he did in 2020. There is that. I think Jason Tatum is one of the most valuable defenders in the entire NBA with how we can legitimately guard centers, guard point guards do everything. So I consider putting Tatum higher for that defense. But offensively, LeBron is still better at essentially everything.

The fact that he's a better shooter, just ends the conversation there for me personally. Yeah, like, what can we possibly give Tatum offensively? Like, I get it. LeBron can't blow up by people like he once did. He still has a pick his spots. God damn, he's great at picking those spots. He knows how to find him and provide value still.

And I love Tatum. I defended him like I need. Nobody else did in the playoffs. It's not like he's out here being Luca Donchitz, creating mismatches, being younger, faster, stronger, all this stuff. That's not his game. So when you really compare what he brings, the stuff that he excels at

is not more valuable than LeBron being. even at the age 39. See, now I'm not mad at you for putting LeBron one. I think I'm more just mad on like a person level that you lied to me. You know? Because we've gone this entire time for everything that you said. And you've just been telling me to my face, looking me in my eyes, telling me like, no, like Jason Tatum's good, like defending him and doing all this stuff.

He is good. And we get here for the moment of truth. And then you're like, actually, no, right. I see, I changed my mind. And I'm like, bro, what happened? I'd like, like, I think, okay, I have, I have Tatum one. I think Tatum, I think one, Tatum's defense does mean a lot for me. I know that all, I know that offensively he did take a step back this year and, or maybe

that, yeah, he took, he took a step back this year and he's gotten to a place offensively where I'm like, I'm not, I'm not really sure. However, his, we saw throughout the playoffs that his playmaking, uh, took a, took a step forward. Cool. We saw really throughout. his entire career that Jason Tatum is one of the most durable stars in the league for sure and that he's always there and I think that the Celtics everybody on the Celtics defensively contributes to why they can play the way that they can but you look at what they did in in the finals and it's like

Jason Tatum who is 610 is able or 69 whatever he really is like he's he's he's tall he's huge yeah he's tall but listed at six nine whatever you have this six nine guy playing up garden fives and now okay and now and now you have my understanding i understand it's i understand it's against lively and gafford and they're not like exactly skilled i get that the bronc could do that i've seen it i i i understand that that's real that's real tatum is legitimately that versatile defender put him on like yokech at times like lebron had to do then no one's having those conversations i don't understand but like we're not measuring guarding yokch that's not relevant no one's

can do that that's not happening but he like he did do that at a very very high level and everything else outside of like if tatum was if tatum took a step forward offensively in my mind with the way that he has taken a step forward and his defense we would be talking about him in like top five top four conversations this argument right here for me is more about seven eight in the league right yeah because i i think i think we're we're there but i And I think that once we get to that range, I think I value Tatum's defense really, really hot. That's fair.

I just, the problem is I listed a lot of things LeBron is better at. And the defensive gap is not so large. Like, LeBron's not a bad defender these days. Obviously, the effort wanes. He can't do it all regular season all the time. And that matters. Tatum can. And that's value there.

But it's not like LeBron's guarding like fucking Houston James Hardin, you know? So that gap isn't nowhere near big enough to make up for the fact that LeBron is better at essentially. eventually everything else. I think if LeBron had an opportunity to take like breaks more often, if he had Alex Crusoe or Danny Green, then he would again like what he looked at in 2020, I think his defense would have been able to hold up. But sadly, Ross instructions are not there. And for the Boston Celtics, it is there. And we see Tatum looking. I think he's a great, better defender in general. I don't care. Like that's, he's a better defender in general. That's fair.

But I don't think the gap between him and LeBron defensively is that crazy considering LeBron. James, who he has to cover for, which is Dilo and Austin Reeves. His defense is going to look worse because he's doing so much more. I don't think there's been five players in NBA history who have had a better defensive system around them than Jason Tatum this year. With Derek White, Drew Holiday, Jalen, and Christops, that's one of the best defensive supporting cast any star has ever had ever. That's absurd.

And he compare it to starting Dilo, Austin Reeves, and Rui Hachimara. What is going to look worse? There's no player in NBA and the NBA who's going to look better when you have those two guys just consistently blowing coverages every other play and just getting rain.

LeBron has to make a lot more weak side rotations when these motherfuckers are getting blown by versus Tatum who has Derek White and Drew Holiday. You cannot overstate how absurd of a pair

that is to have in the front lines. I understand that. I understand that. But I'm not going to say here and be lied to. He doesn't even shoot better than LeBron these days. I said it a one time.

on one stream. I never once. I never once ranked Tain above LeBron a day in my life. I said he's better one time in my life in a fleeting comment. I had no time to think about it. Moses put me on the spot. I will not be held to the standard. Yeah. Specifically, I was like, you put LeBron, you put Jason Theta one, the goddamn Lakers. How far is he taking that? How far is he taking that team compared to LeBron? I don't think he's taking him as far at all. Okay, to that point. That part, I won't agree with because I think they'd be in the plane either way. I think that part wouldn't change too much because the Lakers supporting cast in that head. Who would have more wins? That's the point right.

there and I think maybe marginally LeBron that's the point right there exactly okay I was gonna say if you put LeBron in Tatum situation no they already won

so either way never changes I mean yeah it's like how bad would they won't they lose a single game maybe because LeBron does that once in a while

it doesn't matter but he'll look better because I think he's just better either way they're honestly they're so close so I've saying Lebrons clearly better

but they're relatively close like Donovan said it's like 7th versus 8th player in the league so sure I think the fact that just said both situations wouldn't change is a testament to the fact that they're just really closest players. They're both good enough to lead the Celtics championship and both good enough

to lead the Lakers to exactly the playing tournament. 100%. Shoutout KD at number three, though, you know, holding it down. Somebody has to take bronze, right? We have to fill out the podium, the job of Kevin. So you have Kauai below Paul George. Interesting. You just, you're over the injuries. You know why. You know why. We don't have to go into it. You understand. That's tough, man. Like, Kauai's Kauai, but when you say Kauai's Kauai, that also means he will just never be healthy for the playoffs. And if you're being real, you should have put him lower for your consistency.

I really, I really, I really should have. He shouldn't be budging me both. I don't think. Both of them could drop. Definitely not. For you. For you, for your standards. For me, I don't go, fuck.

He's four. It's completely fine. We can 100% do that. And today it came out, you know, Kauai's dropping out of the, of the Olympics. And I told you, I remember, like, we're having a conversation. I told you there was no way that Kaua Linder was going to actually play it in the Olympics. He did say that. And here we go.

Now Derek White, an Olympian, you know what I'm saying? 13th best point guard in the league gets to be on Team USA. Oh, my God. You're getting this up. Fuck. Man. But yeah, man. Is this the last year of LeBron holds on to it?

I'm at the point now where I don't know if LeBron's ever going to fall off because this is just ridiculous that he's still this good. a 39 bro he's he's 39 this won't last forever I've heard that story before I mean this our list how are you feeling about this list this is a good one I love I like I should have ranked I should have ranked quiet lower yeah I should be I should have put jad up over him jad up over kai I should come on it I understand Jav's vibes are immaculate you love the barking he had you barking in the living but come on man it's so weird

what are you doing kawai if if he literally is not going to play a healthy playoff run ever again how do you rank that like that's I don't care about injuries as much as you do but you got to care about that if it's literally never going to be a playoff run like that's you can't ignore that even if I want to kawai leonard cannot

my dad tells me all all the time he says kawai cannot get not one more my dollars he would he's he's so over over uh kawai and him just being hurt every playoff run and it's it's so shocking i guess it's not because like kawai talent wise he's better than pg it is just so shocking that they were very willing to give kawai the extension that early and they were fighting back and forth with pg well listen they gave him that whenever they're on top of the world before he got hurt again

if they didn't send him then it would have been a tough summer for kawai lernard as well but like they should have but that's what i'm saying like why those two guys came in as a package deal i would never look at them as like okay we can do this deal here like at this time and do this deal they should walk into the office together they should get the same contract they should sign at the same time everything should be the same for those two guys because the bedrock of everything that they've tried to build falls on those on those two and now pg's in you generally Do you think PG should have been paid the same amount as Kauai? A hundred, a hundred, a hundred percent.

There's no, there's no reason. And they did offer them at the end. At the end, they did, they did offer him that. They just, Paul George wanted a trade clause because he knows they move crazy and they said no. Yeah. They should have had them all on a conference call. All, all. It should have been Balmer, Kawhi and PG and everybody gets the same.

Kawai is, just, why would go camera off on the conference call. What's the point of Kauai? And that's fine. And that's fine. And that's fine. And as long as he signs with Paul George. That's, that's okay. but

so that's it this is a good list I think it's time for two weeks in a row producer corner what's up pookies all right that was producer corner

on a TikTok time so I had a oh wait hold that's a good bit should we do that no absolutely not please I work so hard for this one okay okay go ahead So I had a peach earlier from the farmer's market.

I bit into it and I was at work. A peach? Yeah, a peach. And it squirted everywhere. I had to take my contacts out because like the juice got in my eyes. I had to wipe down my coworker's laptop because like it like literally squirted that far. It was a mess. But it was good.

And they made me like actually think about it. Now it's people don't talk enough about peaches. I think, you know, that they should be ranked highly. And then I started thinking my fruit in general. And I was like, you know what? We need to have a sweet 16 bracket of fruit. Two weeks in a row with food content. You're an eater.

Where are the real eaters at? That's a cute call right there. Let's roll. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. All right. So I had a Chad GPT do the seating. So it's like fair.

So hopefully we're good here. But yeah, let's go for it. First round. Apple. Sorry. Apple versus candle. Let's go. Clear.

All right. I'm a candle up you're insane. Blueberries versus pears. I think pairs are underrated here. I'd actually go, oh, I actually. Blueberries. Sorry, that's grapes. Grapes versus grapes.

Grapes? I'd actually go pears. Pairs are so underrated. I don't need purple grapes. I don't eat green grapes. So maybe I can't. Dude, what's up a crown eater are you? Oh my God.

No, we can call it. It can be any great. What are green grapes? No, it's not what's wrong. Green grapes are superior. Green grapes are superior. But I'm actually going pear here. So, Moe, what about you?

Pear? It's not as very. versatile as as that is true you don't see i don't come across a pair that often you're like drinking wine you just like wine night with the girls well it's it's like thank home it did it did listen i i do enjoy a good wine night it's like oh my gosh it's relaxing um but no like kicking your feet up drinking wines watching love all right i'm that type of guy man yo love island's lip this the season i need catch-out. There was a Uruguay players brawled with Columbia

fans in the stands after Copa America semifinal. They had a mouse in the palace over there. I kind of want to watch that. They've watched it for the pod. They get in. Also as we're recording Team USA is playing a game tonight for the first time their starting lineup is Steph Curry

Devin Booker Drew Holiday, LeBron, Joelle and Bede. That's such a flitchard lineup. Jesus. I mean, they're great players and this is still Bro, what is this guy's problem? Drew Holiday at the three. All those damn wins on that team.

What is this guy's problem? All right. Anyways. So what's this? So we got... Orange versus orange. Orange. Orange.

Are you all serious? If you pick peach. Yeah. Orange is a... That was the whole point of this, bro. You're getting... I'm sorry to kill, but you have a real issue if you vibe with peaches like that. Again, peaches...

Peaches are from Georgia. That don't mean shit. Just because it's on our stupid ass. flag don't mean none. Atlanta. No, it's Georgia. I don't rep that. No, Atlanta only. Now, go to hell. If there was a leecher's racket, make the run, y'all suck. Just check me out. Anyway, leachie versus blackberries. We're going to blackberry here. I've never had a leachy. I don't know. Dude, leachy is so gas. I only had, I only have it in my boba in my tea places sometimes.

We're going blackberries. I'm, I side it with leachie. Leachie school. It's too much. It's too much. It's too much work to get to the middle of the leachie. And then you all have the seeds that's fair middle Oh no you're right Blackberries

I don't even know What my I don't know What it is I don't know I don't know What family it is But has that little casing

You like bite it Break off the casing Is it like a grape With a casing? Yeah kind of Like not really I'm kind of Is it similar to a

Pit or something? That's a real question Yeah It has a as a pit In the middle Is that a Japanese fruit or something I think it's a station

All right Apples versus grapes Apples Apples Apples are making a finals run.

Yeah, not a guy. I'm not a big apple and blackberries. Orange. Orange. Peaches with a one. Orange and apple on the same side of the bracket,

that's a crime. Yeah. And I'm going Apple on it by y'all. That is the real NBA finals. I'm going to Apple and this is like a no, this is not. Okay, you guys have oranges way too high. This is a 4-0 sweep by apples.

Dude, I'll fuck up a QD. Oranges are good. 4-0 sweep is, I'm sorry, that's, that's stupid. You don't like, you don't like oranges? What the fuck? Oranges that are fantastic. I like Apple. I like oranges.

Orange Gistis. Orange Gistis. No, it does not. No, apples get it. Apples get it, but it's a seven game series. Why? But why does apples get it?

No, orange is getting it for sure. The apples are more versatile. I'd rather have an apple every day. Or I know. Orges have a hi-vary. Over a cutie? Yeah.

Stupid. Honestly, these are the only two fruit that eat on a regular basis. So it's really duking it out of like my favorites are the ones I eat like weekly. I'm going apple. I'm going apple.

What about you, Mo? It's a two, two, orange juice is also better. I'm doing orange. No, it's not. What the fuck? Apple juice is better for sure, but there's so much shit added in there usually.

I, I don't know. There's just two to split. We're going to do rock with your scissors. Put it behind your back and we'll go at the same time. All right? All right. It doesn't matter.

We're just going to pull it out. That was three, two, one. Whoa. Three, two, one. I win. I got rock. Apple wins. All right.

Apples in the finals. There's no real loser in this. There's no real loser in this. All right, let's go to the East. Weak-ass conference. All right. It glitched out. Anyway, strawberries versus bananas.

Who moves on? Strawberries. I don't like either of these fruits. I'm like weird. I really don't like strawberries for some reason. Even like strawberry ice cream and flavors of, I just don't like strawberry. So I recuse myself. Banana flavor whatever is normally a bad flavor.

Yeah. I'm going strawberry here. Strawberry's peak. strawberry's peak is like finals level and then strawberries like like floor is shouldn't even make it out the first time this is a really bad I understand again banana listen banana has like very bad like main character syndrome where it you try to mix it in with anything it takes over you it is it doesn't allow for team play Twitter as point but we can move on strawberry banana by the way it's true what do you mean I don't know I can't open Twitter and find like five tweets about that right now okay also is that a mango yeah mango let's cherry send it

Send it on. Send on the mango. Exactly. Blueberry versus watermelon. I'm sorry. Blueberry versus water. Now, listen. Now, I'm not going to get. I'm not going to get too excited for so easy. But, but watermelon should be above. I'm going to blueberry. Oh, actually. No. Wait, wait. What is my God? Blueberry. Blueberry is more versatile than watermelon. So I'll go blueberry. I'm going blueberry. I hate to say, but blueberry. I'd hate to save a blueberry. Watermelon, I'm sorry.

Watermelon has really risen up and has become one of my, like, go-to fruits. It stays in my fridge. People are going to hate that. People are going to be so maders and not picking watermelon first. Peak watermelon is better than peak blueberry, though. For sure. This is a one seed losing in the round of 16. No, even the floor.

Even the floor is higher on watermelon, much higher. No, no, no. Bad watermelon is pretty bad. Bad blueberries are just tart and like not good. But anyways, moving on. Pineapple versus raspberries. Pine pineapple? Why no.

Raspberry is so washed. I love raspberry, like raspberry lemonade. Raspberry flavoring and stuff is good, but I'm not eating handfuls of raspberries, and I can eat pineapple. I used to. You're exposing your palate right now. Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm never going for raspberries by themselves, but I like pineapple. I used to finish cases of raspberries, like, in like two minutes.

And then one day I just woke up, my stomach could not handle it. If I have a raspberry right now, I'm in shambles. Damn. Yeah, I'm never going to. It's good on like a dessert, I guess. You put it on like a cake or something. It's fine, but I've never eating raspberries by themselves. It's such a weak-ass conference, man.

Oh, my God. What are you talking about this? Mike Lime. Yeah, we got two bad bitches up top. Strawberry is just mangoes. All right. Who y'all got? Mangoes.

I'm taking mango. And I agree with you. It's just you said it like it was easy. It's like a six or seven game series. If strawberries in season. I'm going to mango and six. I'm going to make. If strawberry is healthy, we're going seven.

Yeah. I can consistently go strawberry, but when, mango but when you have mango you always have a great mango experience always I wish I like mango I know I had Isaac try I had Isaac try mango for the first time like a couple years ago I hated it I hate into it and ran to the sink and spit it out dude I hated it you must also a couple years ago you know we're getting old that was like five years ago that was so long ago now that wasn't a couple years ago damn dang that was more than the college ago keep moving blueberries versus pineapple

This is tough. One pineapple. Really? I'm going blueberries. I've fucking frozen blueberries. I really like. Again, pineapple.

Blueberry lovel recently has really, has really been like a star player in my free. I think blueberry might have to take this, bro. Bluberry. Donovan, you're a very big fan of malubility. What can you not do with blueberries? That is, that is that word. Yeah.

So here's the thing. He stays being, he stays being close to saying, right so i think that pineapples are better like if if you were to cook a pineapple i think you could do more with just an individual pineapple however if you're talking about like parfays smoothies desserts um even talk even like blueberry waffles just add on blueberry is there but we got that meat exactly exactly for for marines and just like extra flavor add in the sweetness pineapples there's very lucky we have to give it most we have to give it most improved

because it has been it has been rising up but this is a seven game series blueberry does have more tricks in this bag and listen the game is about a bucket and blueberries i whole heart of they agree with you okay all right dude this is actually tough mangoes versus blueberries that's they're so very different so very different so very different That's what I'm saying Me, I'm going blueberries I'm a biased party But my vote is to blueberries

I'll say that This is tough I think mangoes Are overall better But like Blueberries have like a very Very strong case On like many levels

To beat mango See mango is like You know Mango's like dirt Where it has like It has that very very Like when it's at its best It's all reliable

That's what I'm saying You can get a 2011 run You know that like At its best It can compete with anybody It has the strength of being like hey i mean i don't know but not even like it's worse though let's just go ahead give it to blueberry i what i think blueberries is too consistent and that's correct now see now if

first we got another uh another rock paper scissors thing i'm ready i'm ready i'm ready i'm ready i'm ready to go again now we need don't we we i'm gonna go blueberry because i think that in a i think In a series, I think in a series when you're talking about game planning and working against other people's weaknesses, I think Blueberry has more counters to what Mango can do. Well, Mango can do is very strong, though. Very strong. It is, it is very strong, but there's sometimes where you see Mango turn the corner, you see it make a move. And it feels a little gimmicky, whereas Blueberry is very fundamental. It has a lot of things.

You let all ethnic people down, because I thought for sure it would be me and you with mangoes versus the world. I love mangoes, but bro, the versatility when it comes to blueberries is just so much more valuable. Makes me sick. It's so, I saw it suck. It's like the apples here because I hate this. I've always gone

TikTok because a little monkey. He's always feeding the mangoes and then a little monkey fucks him up. It's crazy. Because the mangoes are crazy. And also that's very wild for you to bring up right now. So all right. Let's talk. Some guys are guys pet monkeys. It's not my fault. All right. Let's talk about these apples.

The final is set. We have blueberries versus apples, seven game series. Who's winning? I think Apple wins in five. Apple, you are the 2024 grand champion. Apple wins in five. I think. We did it.

I'd actually say blueberry wins in six personally. Oh, go fuck yourself. Apple stomps. No. If blueberry wins, blueberry has to win in seven. It really has to push Apple because if Apple is like, if Apple's on its game.

I like Apple, I like blueberries and dessert. more honestly apple can never lose apple has like 65 combination of different bro apple cider vinegar everybody has an apple they like that's fair yeah i mean honey cinnamon apple like the devil is crazy this is strength the numbers 2015 warriors it's also more consistent i can i can see that and and you talk you talk about blueberries and dessert you get a hot apple pie with some with some ice cream that right there is really really good and you can have you know an apple crumble cobbler all that type of stuff And like I got like I said, it's so versatile.

There's 65 kinds of apples. It can match up with any, with any fruit. And also, I would do this. This really shows you matchups because I think if Mango went against apples, Mango would have won. I agree. I agree. I think that orange, it really should have been a tropical final because I really,

I think that we should have had orange versus mango. And then we're trying to switch at like a classic conferences. No. No, I'm just saying. It sucks. that they had to rewrite the narratives in real time

is crazy fake news media this sucks man no but this is good though this is good yeah the real winner won so I'm happy

shout out to apples Apple Apple is just not the best fruit it is the most it's not it's not better than orange it's not it's not better yeah this is like for sure like why is it goes saying

about the Celtics like like how health wins out like the past VNB champions this is like the Apple run is yeah I'm going to be consistent I'm going to be there the depth the depth of Apple's team really really came through

Yeah, so I get that And just like that We're on to TikTok time Welcome to TikTok time Once again We are starting with a draft And this should be a fun one We're gonna do a draft of only NBA players

Who wore the number three At any point in their career That's true That's good Um We've done those are 23 I think it's only number We've done it with so far

But this is low key A stacked ass number three's the magic number everybody knows that i suppose so so much more behind this number the draft order it really is a very orifle number like this is a strong solo digit the draft order is donovan me mo you guys know how it works point guard through center we're drafted full teams only qualification is they had to wear three for at least one year of their career donovan who are we going with the first pick listen not a lot of big men ever wore three So with my first pick, give me Anthony Davis.

God damn. There's like four guys I wanted, and I thought he's the one you surely wouldn't pick. Fuck. Damn, okay. Well, second pick. Give me the best player here. Give me Dwayne Wade. Fair, fair.

Okay, now I actually cooked my construction. We knew these guys were going one and two. It had to be done. Exactly. And so I know exactly where Moe's going to go with number three, unless he tries to sell. Mo, is you, are you 12? Why are your arms inside the shirt like that? What are you doing?

Can I not get cozy? It's a little chilly in here. Be a man, get a blanket. Well, a blanket's not that accessible to me right now. What? Okay. He's that, what do you say to me? On your turn, do you have the answer to this third pick?

I have to go ahead and just grab talent. So, and my point guard, go ahead and give me CP3. And at my two, go ahead and give me Alan Iverson. A lot of cookies. I don't know about defense, but go ahead and give me the best players. All right. I wanted CB3, but that's fine. I will take Tracy McGrady and my small four.

Okay. That's good. That's good. Give me Batman and Superman right off the bat. That's a crazy two three. It's nuts. That's a crazy two three. That's fun as fuck.

Cooking. All right. I need a point guard. So, listen, we are going to make peace with one of my mortal enemies. Kyle Lowry, welcome to the team. Wow, you actually did it. Welcome to the team Kyle Lowry. Wow.

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I need, I need some shooting. I need some spacing. So, again, another mortal enemy of mine. This really is just me making peace with all of my enemies. Jason Terry, welcome to the team. Ooh, okay.

That's tough. At my two. Okay. Interesting. Listen, I got my two ball handlers. I need role players. Give me O.G. Anobi, my power forward.

I need defense. What did you wear number three? For the Raptors? Yes. Ah, okay. Solid. All right. Speaking of defense, I need that too.

I have some of the better offensive the players of a lot time on my side i feel confident so my center go ahead and give me ben wallace i just need someone's going beat ass beat ass okay okay that's fine that's fine you can have them okay too small okay so why after ben wallace you you are small and i'm small but i'm versatile that's all that matters you're really not you're actually small and not versatile what can cp3 not do what can how and iverson not i don't know But it's still your pick. If you wear anything off the court and still put the door you off your game.

It's still your pick. Go ahead. So at my small Ford, go ahead and give me Geryl Wallace. Go ahead and give me Geryl Wallace. I don't need that many bucket getters. I don't know. I always say Geryl. That's something stick to fucking Gerold.

All right. Well, I'm going to pick the steal of the draft here. Give me Brandon Roy at my point guard. Okay You're not necessarily You're too many guys who need the ball You're too many guys who need the ball Yeah

A little bit too much You never heard of a big three No no no no no no Too much Looking very Phoenix sunsish Oh my god All right At my

I would like to get some defense Because obviously if I'm going up Against Dwayne Wade Trace McGrady and Brandon Roy We need somebody who can be locked down My small forward Give me Bruce Bowen Okay

I just I just want I just want some defense in that pick I'm still attacking Jason Terry every play but I'll steer clear Bruce Bowen exactly one listen that's one option down that's all we're looking for and see I have I have a couple options of where I want to go with this I'm trying to figure out what what I'm what I'm going to do this is this is tough because I can either go big or I can kind of just lean into what I'm doing right now but let's try to Let's try to build this out Give me my main guy Give me Al Harrington to play the four

He's your main guy This is the second time you picked out Harrington Yo give me Out Harrington is a cool dude man Listen it was surprising The first time you picked out Harrington In a TD3 draft I don't even know what to call it now

This is insane If we're playing in like 2007 I love my team Think about the old days Exactly They the old days I know At my center, give me Tyson Chandler.

Tice and a balanced lineup. I got the four and the five locked down defensively. The big three to get buckets. I'm in there. Tyson Chandler is nice. Okay. I like that. All right.

So I got CP3 AI, Gero Wallace, great gap filter, and Ben Wallace. Ooh, I got two wallaces. I like that. Let me go ahead and stick to the tendency of last name, starting with W. get another I said his name before one time in a draft and I'm going to say it again

go ahead and give me David West at my four he used to play he used to wear number three back when he was with the Warriors they don't understand they didn't even try

to have what's facing they don't understand are you kidding me listen Mo I like that pick Mo I like that pick the pick and pop that you have between CP and David West unbeatable

the amount of elbow jump that you're knocking down exactly talking about space I got plenty of it. What are you talking about right now? What are you going to do when I'm 16 feet away? Just staring at the room.

It just tells you never watch David West in your life. Pick aside. Who's your best three-point shooter? Who's my best three-point shooter? No, hypothetically AI. Hypothetically AI. Who's your best three-point shooter? T-Mack?

Ogen-An-N-Obi. T-Mack. That's two great shooters right there. Great. All right. Yes. Then what? The what?

The what? The what? We heard that. We all heard that. We all heard that. All right. So my team, I got CP3, AI, Garel Wallace, David West, and Ben Wallace. This is an old-ass team.

God damn. So they put me in beef. I said that my word on. And that's our draft. You all listen to in the comments. Who won? Who had the best team? I like my chances.

Who had the worst team here? I think it's Mo. Do you have Bruce Brown and Al Harrington? You don't see, that's how I know. You don't know about Al. You don't know about Al. Jason, Jason Terry is really weighing you down because he's getting ran.

And I don't know if he adds, if he makes up the value on the other hand. I'm being 100% real. And even though that I love this guy, AI can't guard Jason Terry. What does guarding Jason Terry look like? I'm just saying, what does that look like?

He's kind of getting cooked. What is that? I had to process that. What the fuck? What does that? I've never heard anybody. What does that look like? Oh my gosh.

I'm some unbreakable force. Next up. I'm going to show you guys some celebrities. And I want you guys to guess who their NBA lookalike is. Now, I got all these from Reddit. So if you have a problem with it, you can take it up with the Redditors on R slash NBA. because I didn't know any great celebrity look-like so I went there and I found a ton of them.

All right, let's roll with it. I like this font you used. Nice font. Graph designer at heart is what it is. Yeah, yeah. Actually, I aligned it terribly, actually. It's not center-aligned, the bottom that pisses me off. Just no.

I see you. I see you. So many use of books. Guess the NBA celebrity look-alike. First off, Ashley Coocher. This is one of the greatest shooters. of all time.

This is the one and the only Cal Corver. Thank you. Good job. Listen, I couldn't start with a difficult one. We had to give you guys

something to, you know, see the ball go through the net and get you some really going. This is Kyle Corver. The resemblance is uncanny, bro. These are the same people. Yeah, bro. The hair, this is crazy.

Also, that's a terribly unflattering picture of Kyle Corp. Sop. Suck, dude. Christa 300 looks like I'm made back until you see you next. You don't make back. That's literally the mean, bro.

You guys are one for one. Next up. Oscar from the office. Is this Shane Badiere? No, no, no, no, no, no. Shane Batti. Not a bad guess. It's not a bad guess.

Brother, do you not see it? See who? Do you see it? I think so. This is Malcolm Brogden, isn't it? Oh. This is Malcolm Brogden. Okay.

This is what is so accurate. It's crazy. Okay. I see it. I see it. Is Malcolm Brogden a Latino king? He could be. Malcolm,

we just found out some information about you. Hit our line ASAP. We got some breaking news. We just discovered something about his lineage. All right. Next one. You're two for two. I'll see if I'm going to stop you guys.

We got Terry Cruz. Oh my God. Ooh. Okay, could just be, I don't know, Quincy A-C? Nah, he won't got the beer. Not Quincy A-C. We've never said a name on this platform. Who's big and who's black?

Yeah, I literally. He said, is this Shaq? I've never seen this one before. No, it's not fucking Shaq. I've never heard of this one. I got it from Reddit and this is one nobody's ever said, but it's pretty good. I don't even mad if it's not accurate, though. It's pretty solid.

I mean, he's way older, the guy's currently playing. Is this a bald bam at a bio? No, that's not a terrible guess, though. Oh, this is Nas Reid. This is Nas Reid. What the fuck? Oh, my God.

That's so good. Nas Reid, I'm sorry, but you got to hit our line. We have some terrible news for you, brother. Also, do never cut your hair. Never cut your hair. I've never heard this one before until I saw it on Reddit, but it's fact. This is a good one. This is a mixed feelings.

But it's solid. Mixed feelings for sure. It's not the Ashton Coucher one, but it's good. People already be kind of crazy. No, this one isn't a reach. This one's good. They're not twins. They're not twins.

It's not like Ashton Coucher and. Are they cousins? Corver. Yeah, that's like his uncle. That's his uncle. Okay. Second. Second uncle.

No, I like this one. Okay, next up. Jim Carrey. Ew. Dang, he looks only. This is an any player who looks like this? I didn't say it has to be a player. Is this a, what's your man's name?

This Quinn Snyder? this is not Quinn Snyder but you're getting hot I'm honestly shocked you don't know this one off rip who's another white coats like that this one is

this is perhaps the greatest NBA look like of all time oh is this Kenny Atkinson no the fact that you've gotten two guesses and you haven't gotten it you should be ashamed this is Rick Carlisle the hair

man throws me off bro they are fucking twins this is crazy that's his brother for oh wow Do cover up the left side Cover up Jim Carrey This motherfucker looks exactly like

What you think Jim Carrey looks like for memory No, both of them were in the mask For real I like that Okay Okay, okay Damn, I didn't see that But now I'm gonna do

Okay, read it Okay, read it Now I've seen Everyone's those one for years We've been saying this for a decade I've been not to lose that years Next ones DMX

See that's Quincy This one I don't love much it's not as much of a twin but red it said it so i went with it maybe they'll see it more than i do stephan warre oh no that's a good one i was gonna know i'll about to say that if it's not him now i don't know who this could be he's playing right now no no this is of the dmx era shit okay their primes aligned yeah no it's no it's after it's prime me but closer than it is now closer than it is now these are getting tough yeah this is hard He's a guy played in the early 2000s.

Early 2000s. Kevin Garnett? This is Kevin Garnett. It's the earring. He's just bald black guys. They don't have the same nose, mouth, ears, or eyes. They're just black guys bald with diamonds. And this is in our ear.

What the hell? This was targeted. This is my argument against the platform. Reddit. All eyes are on you. Yeah, I didn't love this one either. And I could, I maybe I could have found a better picture of DMX. What, he had like a skinier face?

No, there's no hiding. Probably not resemblance. All right, next one. Them diamonds is dancing, though. We got Joe button. Is this light skin Quincy AC? No. This is not Quincy AC.

No, no, no, no. I'm sorry. This is easily. Carlos Boozer, one of the greatest big body power force of all time. Muscle meatheads. I love it. This is Carlos Boozer. And one of the fakesest beers that we've ever.

This is Carlos Boozer. Yeah. Carlos Boozer comes in a front of the class. He grabs that beard, starts it here, wraps it around. Nah, him and Mo get haircuts at the same place. Hell not. The fucking, the beard that never disconnects, that's just a full second half of the face. That's diabolical.

He looks like a pokey ball. That is what is right. This is basketball Albert Pools. He looks like he dips his face. and like spray on like to the enhancer bro his eyebrows are mad thick

I love the commitment though from him this is his looking his eyebrows are fake too then he just the enhancements on his eyebrows they look like in this one of the day

but he clearly does next player we got Keanu Reeves Mr. John Wick is this Neo is this J.J. Reddick

yes Jay-J Reddick, wow. Yeah. That was fast. Yeah. They have the same type of vibe if you ask me, man. I don't know what it is about these two guys,

but they both know a lot. They're just both knowers. They're both in knowers, yeah. Okay. Listen, you got the white boy back down. I'll give you that. Damn, I like that one. Offset.

Oh, this is classic. Is this not Nazaree? No. Not Nazreed. Not Nazareed at all. Look at the nose in the, the nose really tells it all. And just the look of it right through. This is KD.

This is classic, bro. This is Kevin Durantz. Honestly, he looks more like young Katie. I should have picked the younger picture, but this is a good one. They've been twins forever. Facts. Yeah, remember back in like Amigos was first popping off. The side-by-sides were crazy, like 2014.

Facts. All right. Next up. We got Rob 49 This one is hilarious I will spit out my goddamn retainers Brough Since when the husband

RJ Bear gets so much fucking aura Who the hell is this? This is RJ Barrett This is not you This is RJ Barrett with VC When you're in my career And you do your little rapping side quest This is RJ Barrett in that

The first two years of RJ Barrett's career I thought he was gonna have to be a rapper I thought it was looking kind of rough This is This is R.J. Barrett if you play for the Hornets. Oh, that's so accurate. That's what this is. That's fucking crazy.

That's so accurate. Keep his ass away from the Hornets. Keep everybody away from the Hornets. Hey, Robbie. Nothing good happens for it. Bro, Robbie's spinning that shit, though. So maybe I definitely would want to see RJ on the Hornets. All right, man.

Donovan Snoom. Oh, my gosh. Come on, man. Dude, the other, not the other day, but last month or two months ago when we were in the Street to Chicago. Some random dude was like, hey, you know that one NBA player. Macall Bridges.

He was out on phone him. I'm falling out, phone. I'm like, oh, yeah. Cool, bro. I thought he's going to be like, I watch a TikTok, but he's like, nah, you look like Macal Bridges.

That's crazy. Does anybody know who he's looking like is? Macau Bridges. Guys, come on. I'm just trying to have a good pod. Incorrect. The answer is Robert Ory. Oh, no.

They have the same ears. Why? Damn. Oh, I never saw the ears. That is crazy. Damn. You guys have the same ears. Over here, lean in.

Well, wait, there's more. The answer is also. More. McHale Bridges. Everybody says this, I don't, bro, I don't see this. Because this is like two days,

two days after the guy stopped me on the street, we went to a, to a museum, and one of the, the ladies at the entrance, she said the same thing. She was like,

has anybody ever told you you look like Mikkel Bridges? I was like, actually just last night that happened this one is one that looks good in theory until you see it side by side and like not really yeah no i disagree but wait there's more a third one that people said on stream norm pal this one once again this is underrated very underrated this was underrated this was underrated as fuck very underrated do y'all think that martin luther king fought just so that we could have people just saying black black same no no you're missing it out first of all

black. It's like beard. Black. Yes, exactly. It's black beard fade. Yeah. Same. We have several qualifying

factors. Yeah. This is very underrated. You should be proud of this one. He's not what he dreamt. This is not what he dreamt. And this last one doesn't really count. But wait,

there's more. Not NBA, but we got to get OVO chubs in there. This is the worst one. This is damning. This is targeted. This is targeted. Donovan just walk off the set.

They got the same fit on. Yeah. Yeah, quite literally. He's the same fit. Like, it's not a black shirt and a chain. Like, what do we? Black shirt, gold chain. It looks like you're doing a Halloween costume.

Yeah. Target. We got to write Isaac up for fucking bullying, bro. You're going straight to HR. Y'all, we're over here. We're in a keel at. We're in a keel at. He got to spend it for some shit that he did.

And Isaac, trust and believe you'll be seeing someone in the prison. This is why I'm going on vacation for two weeks. This is why I'm leaving. I can't do this We've never brought this This in the stream audience has seen these before The main channel I think there's this

Once every like 10 days I think what's An even more uncanny resemblance Is Isaac And Nick Wright That's fucking crazy They're the same person Nick here I just saw your text off screen

You're a dead man You're a dead man You're actually disrespectful And I don't appreciate that People have definitely given me Nick Wright before I've got Nick Wright and I've got Clay Thompson Only similarities Is the pointy-ass nose

I got a big nose on me That's the only difference It's only similarities You're saying you look like Squidward's house I thought we were friends Honestly The Robidori one's the best one Robert ory's probably the most accurate one

Robert ory's crazy In terms of the NBA ones yeah The ears were just crazy I was saying all of them Robert Dore is the closest one But do you want to say Chubs is better Go ahead

I actually There's been times Where I've seen Chubbs Like on Instagram And I'll be like No okay I see you You got it I can't even lie

I should have been a better picture This is an old picture At Chubs I was in a rush Nowadays Chubbs When he has his beard Yeah Chubbs is a beard

And he's skinnier You guys are fucking twins This picture he was He's 20 pounds heavier So you don't see it as much all right man what's the next tic-tok because I'm like slandering me next year we're going to do

I want to have you guys guest the NBA player based on their eyes oh this is Donovan was in the back last time I believe no no this is you oh my god I just seen a picture of skinny ovio chubs holy shit this is scary

no this one is actually the most actually the most You're just... This is... This is... He's going to work. You fucking bozo. This is scary. Not, Nickeye.

You're Googling skills. Oh, click that, click that right there. Click that one. Top left. No, go back. God. L producer. Top left.

There we go. There's the other. That is crazy. So what's this one that I sent to you? This one that I said to you just now looks even crazier, dude. Oh, my God. Guys. that is

oh my god this is crazy that is crazy that is the smoot that is crazy darling do this for me one time real quick

give me one of these real quick please please that is crazy that's you and you're 34 this is crazy

you aging like wine to be honest with you that's you in a decade it's not bad yeah that's nuts shit bro that's that's literally crazy as fuck that's literally

guys I just wanted to talk about basketball that's all I wanted to do oh my good we cooked Mo's baby pictures it's only right we can't move on oh man I just want to hang out I just want to hang out

let's go the next slide show you guys got a guest to NBA player by only their eyes done this before Mo is famously a man-knower who excels that every single guest to NBA player that has to do with a visual in her face. Man, no, Mojo.

I just know Ball, man. That's all it is. All right, man. So real simple. I'm only going to show you set eyeballs you guess who the player is. First off, who is this player? Oddly, I think I know this in a heartbeat.

Oct. I know it in a heartbeat, too. Oh, who is it? I could be wrong. This is Lonzo Ball. Okay, I was going to say Lozzo as well. This is Chino Hill's finest Lanzo ball. Nice.

Okay. His eyes are colored. Apparently. You know, you know. You know his background. True. All right. Next up.

Who is this man? Someone's grainy. He showed basically his whole face. Jimmy looks like someone's a Grammy, bro. But this is one of the greats of all time, bro. Larry Byrd. Isn't a crazy? This is a picture from when he was playing still.

What? No, it's why. It's why from just this alone, I know that his chocolate chip cookie recipe is five. Yeah. I know it's something. Bro.

37 year olds from the 80s. Do not look like 37 year olds from today. This is Larry Bird. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's Larry Bird for sure. That's a man that never wore sunscreen. He was doing yard work,

no sunscreen for years. No, I bet he threw on the meanest old brand ever, bro. I know he has a recipe. down to it. T. All right, next up. Who is this player? Oh, look like someone who's been put

through the slammer. Slammer, what? Yeah. What do you mean the slammer? What does that mean? Someone who just is forced to do shit at all the goddamn time. Okay. Jalen Brunson. Oh, my gosh. Is that you?

This is Jalen Brunson. Okay. You guys are flying through this. I would make this too easy I don't know how to make it harder Picture too Yeah I thought I thought don't throw you off You have to show one eye I know like this is one eye

I know like this is hilarious Yeah next up Who is this player Oh see now this is interesting Is it really? Because I don't think this is me at all Look at his eyes And look at how his eyebrows

Just like accentuate You got it You got it That is How this is Isaac's one of his big homies Jaime Hockes What are my big homies?

Yeah, Jaime Hockes This is one of your guys Wait to Hakeem Ologerone gets up here You just fucking wait And I'll get it immediately too We don't call Mo a manned over for nothing He knew on the spot This is Jaime Hockers

Yeah man I saw the way your eyes lit up When you went ahead and brought this up I'm like oh yeah He means he means something to you He's breaking history I said Arriba Arriba I don't know

Okay relax This is two bars in a row We have hell of Mexican jokes I'm sorry Go loco And so by the comments Stay calling me Taco Man and shit They've got it's so comfortable making jokes about me

It's crazy That's insane This is why This is why they do that They keep on doing it As I'm going to pull up on And be like folks to be doing on NBA Twitter They got to see me one day

right next up who is this player this is this blurry picture yeah this is poopie um this is the old player though right i don't know he's not young but not like 80s or none oh okay well that was one of my only guess damn it who is this guy has spent has hurting his eyes hurting his eyes he does he does for stupid fucking reasons hmm interesting stupid stupid this is a moron this is you put me in a tough spot exactly

because I want to say a name and then be like damn it's not him I guess I'll say it this is at his cancer rest in piss at his cancer okay there we go

thank God I forgot he looked like completely that's not even his name anymore isn't his name like in his freedom I forgot yep

the bozo changed his name even worse cancer was a hard ass last thing too right it is fucking moron stand for something and fall for anything

1780 hi pal uh yeah shout out of shout out brother fighting the good fight he's fighting the worst fight he's fighting the stupidest fights

I know who is this player he's probably like he's in a ghost he looks terrified he got a little dirt guys right now but this also looks like I feel like this could be DeMar

But it's not DeMarre This I feel like this guy Lokey has freckles or something like that Is this Al Horford No this is not a current player Early 2000s guy Early 2000s guy

Okay Ooh See I forgot What all them look like We actually just talked about them I heard David was this not out Harrington why would he put Al Harrington in the goddamn TikTok yeah I don't know is it is it Jermaine O'Neill what the

fuck you know this is not Jermaine O'Ne I know I think I'm good this is Donovan smooth this is Robert Ory oh yeah I don't have been screwed that has been the block rule This is so funny. You think it's very, very funny. And it's a lot less amusing. It's a lot less amusing. I think it is.

You're consistently in the air over this, bro. Go ahead. Get your last off. I love it. He's so bad. What did I do? What did I do to deserve this? Next player.

Who is this player? Someone who's not good, probably. Why would you say that? Because it's Grant Williams. That's why. Am I wrong? Is Grant Williams? Yeah.

I'm sure he's a great person, but what I saw with the Dallas Mavericks. No, he's a, he's a, he's a wild boy. Recent screen shots have shown me. Oh, I forgot. Boom. There's some allegation. What happened? I'm out of the loop.

No, no. No, no. No, no allegations. That's nothing problematic. Not allegations. He's just, he's just wild. It's just wild. Interesting.

Okay. I got on my next player Who is this player Now he's seen ghosts for sure He's like he'd been through His eyes of a damage man Accomposed something This is a goddamn career

Look like he's been in some generational runs This is Dirknewitsky This is Dirk Okay you are a man noor I just know how to read eyes bro I just know how to read eyes No those eyes are seen European horrors

Horrors beyond our comprehension Yeah You don't know what he's seen in them Germany streets What are you laughing? What do you think he saw? I can't tell you I just think those eyes like mad European

And he looks scarred Oh he's in Germany Fuck Next player Who is this man Okay That's a fit to pass on his body. I'm John Stockton.

Correct? This is John Stockton. There you go. Yeah, that was the easiest for sure. I think it's the last one. Do you have one more? We do. Who is this player?

We have a few more. Oh, my God. This guy's squinting. This guy's smiley. Who is he, and why does he smiling so hard? He's a gritter. I wouldn't, my first guess, be like Jeff Green, but

Jeffrey don't be smart. Is this Al? Does I be teasing like this? Is this Al Horford? No. Is this Vince Carter? Wow. This is Vince Carter. You are ridiculous at this game. Wow. That smile right there brought me so much pain back in 2018.

2018? Yes. When he was a hawk. Yeah. Wasn't his best year, huh? They had him running like 18 minutes a game next to Tray Young, bro. I love the effort, but God damn, bro. Just hang it up.

Tough. Yeah. All right, next player. Who is this man? Golly. Who is this man? I'm, like, legitimately just stunned at these eyes. Oh, no, when you and Gabriel, bro?

Who the hell is this? God damn. It's not when you gave it off. Oh, no, we got to go to the Rolodex, and I don't want to, I don't want to guess. I fucking cried. We're going to have to make assumptions. The Wicke Gamer was my best choice, bro. I don't want to say any, I don't want to say anything else.

This is a 2000s player. Gabriel's hilarious, bro. Let me help you from fucking ruining your career. okay 2000s player can we get one hit 2000's player you made an all-star team I think very good player this Ben this is Ben Wallace

wow I wouldn't have got that just a minute that's a thousand yards there that man is serious he got it that's all I can say he got it I don't want to crack jokes with this man looking at me like that He got it.

I am intimidated. I would not run to the fan at all. He got it. He looked much darker on the close-up also. I thought this dude was dark. I was like, Don Maker. Oh, my God.

Oh, my y'all are insane. I thought that was an easy one. I didn't think it would cause of a hoopla. Man. Taco? That's crazy. oh my god you're going to hell next player who is this smiley is this uh alonzo morning fuck no oh who the hell is this is a crazy episode man now this got looks stupid

what the fuck you're ruining us daughter what the hell it just looks it just looks like there's nothing behind the eyes you're gonna get us fired from house and highlights he's crazy it's gonna be your fault you're ready to hit the unemployment line this time it's not it's not my bad my bad if i saw their whole face i wouldn't make that assumption this is r j barrett no he's a smart guy he went to duke you know you're bull just shut the fuck you know they've they've classes at duke i know who took him what's r j beards High school GPA All right

We're not going to have answered that question out loud Brilliant guy So next segment All right So next thing we're going to do We're going to do a game number four

We're going to put Mo on the hot seat Me and Donovan have a previously agreed to category That we're going to name Random NBA players of We're going to back and forth Spouting them out

Until Mo can guess the category What they all have in common Okay I never lose Let's do it You've lost Exactly 50% of the time So far

We've done this All those videos are fake. That wasn't me. That was A-I. You nailed it one time. You got cooked the second time. Let's see if you can make redemption. If you win the three-game series.

Let's go. I got a winner in my blood. Me and Donovan are going to name NBA players until Mo can guess what they all have in common. All right. Let's do it. First off, Sergei Baca. African. Patty Mills.

Okay. international player nice I'm trying to ping on to something continue Cameron Payne

Cameron Payne okay weird Bruce Brown Bruce Brown Blake Griffin Blake Griffin Blake Griffin

okay I don't know what Blake Griffin has to do a campaign but let's keep all rolling Kyrie Irving Kyrie Irving

Okay Seems like these players are Connected in a super weird way Christopher Emmanuel Paul Huh They're all Phoenix Suns Or they play with someone They played with someone

They played with someone I'm noticing Yuda Watanabi you know okay Sean Livingston oh now it's over Seth Curry Seth Curry Seth

Oh it's over for me Steph Curry Nassir Little Nazir Little Nizier Little Nizier Little What the fuck What is up with these players

Kyle Singler Lamarcus Aldridge Kyle Zingler you just said his name in a TikTok Think Where are my answers at Where are my guesses

Think Say something Okay Kendrick Perkins These Did he play in 20s Okay so what I'm sensing right now Is that he played in the year

2018 10010% Guaranteed Sure Yeah, the player played in 2018 He was on 18 I got something on the fucking board DeMarcus cousins Do something about it

Nicholas Claxton Ooh, that's a good one That's a good one To that dome What the fuck Does Kyle Singler And Nicholas Claston

Bradley Beal Okay Ted Cruz Cam Thomas who the hell dude there's so many Nate like I can't believe you said you to Guadanovi Kyle Singler let me try to make it easy for you James Hardin Were they easier I'm gonna make it easier oh wait give me a guess were they all Houston no

They weren't Houston Rockets okay I'm gonna give you one stupidest I ever heard I'm gonna give you one Alfonzo McKinney When I say this name, if you don't get it right, you're done. Jordan Bell. Oh, they're all warriors. Okay, so we have to break it down. Literally, if you don't get this right here, and I'm being so serious, if you don't get this, you lose and we're scrapping the video. Or we're ending it.

Nick Collison. Okay. Russell Westbrook. Oh, does OKC Thunder players? Seattle players? Are you? I'm going to find a trash can and I'm going to pick you upside down

and I'm going to put you inside of it. You're not telling up to pick me up. Devin Booker. Andre Roberson. Okay, these are teammates of KDs. Thank you. There we go. We finally got to the answer.

Alfonzo McKinney. Warrior. Interesting. I would celebrate for you and be like, whoa, you got it. But that took entirely too long. Wow, I hit it on the money I was like, okay, this bear for sure played in 2018

And they're heavily involved What a broad claim Be better, be better I should have got it earlier But a win is a fucking win All right I guess Last video we got

I'm going to say two NBA players names And I want you guys to tell me Who's the better offensive player So Not two-way, just offense That involves so much Yeah, it's a different conversation You're gonna reframe some ways you view players normally

Because we don't consider half the game But also, who's a bucket? All right, sure So we're simple Who was better at offense? First off, Janice or Jason Tatum Yonis is all time at something on offense Jason Tatum is an all time nothing on offense

He's a great shooter, can dribble He can get to the rim He's not one of the best at anything on the offensive side There's nothing that makes his game like super special than like he's like big nice but there's no flaw like yonis is three-point shooting yeah but i rather have like yonis's superpower then jason tan just being like okay you good and like a lot of things i'm going to i don't yonis can dominate in the paint he's an underrated playmaker and yes his favorite thing to do on offense does not make the game harder whereas jason tatum

loves his favorite his favorite thing to do is take a tough contested midi or take a tough tough step back three. I'm going with the guy who creates easy shots for him and for his teammates. Give me Janice. Yeah, Janice is low key one of the most underrated scores of all time. Like, you look at the most efficient 30 plus point per game scores. He's like very high up that list and people don't want to give him that credit because there's no shooting. But Shaq didn't shoot either and we still consider him one of the great scores. Exactly, bro. Just unstoppable. And I can't say Jason Tatum's that just yet. All right. Next up, we got Shay Gildos Alexander versus Stefan Curry. Listen, I don't care if the team is trash. You will never

ever, ever, make me believe that Steph Curry is not one of the greatest offensive players we've ever seen in this game. I'm taking Steph every time. 110% give me someone who's changed the game, someone whose skill is you can't replicate whatsoever with the depth in shooting, the consistency of shooting, and also the volume in that as well. I'm Lena Steph. Even in 2024?

He's not getting any younger. I'm leaning stuff in 2028 too, bro. Doesn't matter. There we go. That's Steph Curry. Next one. LeBron or Devin Booker? Just offense.

Just offense at the same time. I mean, listen. LeBron can score as easily as Devin Booker can. And even though that Devin has taken a step up with his passing, it's LeBron. Like, LeBron is still one of the best passers in the league. I trust him offensively to make the right play, the right decision every single time. I'm taking LeBron. Yeah.

I think it's fair. to assume that Devin Booker is a better score at this point of his career than LeBron, but it's not that outrageous and also the passing is just levels ahead. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. And you know, more reliable

playoff performer for sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. Even in his geriatric stage. Geriatric stage. Oh, man, Brian. Even when he's in his nursing home? One of the greats. Still better than tame him.

I love to see it. Next up. Zach Levine or DeMardo Rosen Neither I think Demar de Rosen is the better playmaker But a little bit But he's even at that He's not like a fantastic playmaker

And also him refusing to shoot the ball Beyond like 19 feet So worry some So I don't know with Zach Levine Yeah if that's the tiebreaker All right one guy shoots threes One guy doesn't We're playing in 2024

You need that in your bag So I guess I go exactly I can't believe this is a dude man this is real my bad it I zoned out real quick I was thinking about literally anything else I don't blame you that's what this Chicago bro do exactly that's what the bulls do to you I don't blame me next up Kevin Durant or Joel and Bede oh this is a great right now right now right now this is a great you're not fucking lie it is Joelle and Bede Joelle Embed, last season, was one of the best minute-per-minute scores we've ever seen in NBA history.

Honestly, playmaking is very close. Only thing that isn't, the only thing stopping Joel from being the best offensive player in the goddamn world is that Yokic is amazing and unfuck with the bull and Joe can't stay healthy. But where are your ethics? I'm picking Katie. If you're not cheating, they're not trying. I'm sorry, but I might have to lean with Joel and Mide. If you can walk into 15 free throws a night and you can't respect that. your sleep. I'm sorry, but that's a skill. I'm taking Dewell. You might find it

annoying. I call the offensive value. Give me Joelle. See, but that's the thing. He doesn't walk into him. He throws himself into him. I don't respect that. I'm taking Katie. Definitely, Joelle. Next up, Donovan Mitchell or Anthony Edwards. Oh, God. That's a tough one. It's the myth. It's the Mitch. It's a is deemids. We're just, if all we're doing

is talking offense, I'm going deemis. Deemitt can score just as well as Anthony Edwards and he's a much better playmaker than Ant is. And also he's a

I would say he scores as well. I wouldn't say just as well. I think he's noticeably better at scoring than Anthony Edwards. Donovan Mitchell's probably the most underrated

offensive player in the game. If he had Anthony Edwards defense and height, this would be a top five player in the league. Yeah, exactly. The volume that

Donovan Mitchell has been consistently thinking from a three-point line, and also just like how he carves up defenses with ease and also the passing minor leap that he's made this past season makes him supreme offensively. He was carving up that Boston Celtics defense in the playoffs when everybody else was putting shackles.

D. Mitch is absolutely the better offensive player. Super underrated storyline for Donaldville Mitchell, man. That's his NBA championship of his career so far. Average 30 against the Celtics at one time. Man, I had them boys in hell. The height of his career. Thanks All right

Next up Victor Women Yama Or Victor women Yama or Jalen Brown Hey put those fucking hands down Listen Nah I'll go Jalen Brown right now

I go Jalen Brown Really? Jaylen Brown's Yeah I think Lemby's a better passer Here's I think I think part of it

is the fact that like a lot of what I think Wemby's potential can be also stems from him like getting somebody who can just has eyes and can throw him the ball like I think him being a lot target is amazing and we haven't seen that yet

maybe after this season we can say that because he's just going to get you know like 12 or not 12 he's got to get like 6 to 8 just easy stupid points every every game but right now I'll give it to Jalen Brown yeah we got to give to the finals MVP but after year two when Victor Mormon Yama comes out and average is

26 points for game, it's going to be Wemby pretty soon. Six months from now, the conversation is going to flip. And six months from now from people who are watching this TikTok, I'm taking Wemby. But in July, 24, we're going Jiam and Brad. Sure. People always come back to these old TikToks.

People always watch these videos like a year later and comment, like they don't see the date and they'll like talk about our arguments. I'm like, bro, that was a fucking year ago. Things changed. So people are definitely going to see this in a year. Facts. True. All right, next one. Shailen Brunson or Trey Young.

What have we said all episode? Really for this episode and last episode. The game is about getting a bucket. Jalen Brunson is a bucket. I don't care what. Trey gets a fair amount of buckets. Trey has more career buckets than Jalen Brunson, man. What are we talking about here?

See, I want to agree. you and then you find a way to pull up the most asinine Trey Young reason to pick him every time and I'm like I gotta pick against you but I'm not wrong every time either I'm quite literally right I don't lie more career buckets yeah come on now NBA career buckets come on sure all right so we're going

Jaylon Brown he's playoff proof he rises to gross one playoff series like he's playoff through come on out that bro the passing is what sets it apart a little bit for me so we have the best isolation score in the league that's under six foot four versus this offensive engine that of just nonstop threes and lobs who are we going with the offensive engine of course when he comes to offensive prowess for sure i'm leaning tray he ain't got no horsepower is it not it's not a big engine i'm taking jalen brunson

he got no horse why what does jane brunson do better he got horsepower what do you mean he put that thing and go and when it's when it's time to go jaylon brunson goes i'm i'm sorry You failed to present me with any sort of logic argument, so I guess we're going to try young. Sorry, man. Sorry, Jalen Brunson. You don't have to apologize to me. My team is better.

My player is better. What's up? Cope. It's just not. Jalen is better than Trey. Yeah, but so if, if Trey Young's a better offensive player, why do we rank Jeline and Bruns and higher? Because neither one of these motherfuckers are playing defense.

Mo Tray's better Simple with that Coat It is what it is Sorry man I don't like the rules I'm just here to spread gospel

DeMontasabonis or Jamal Murray DeMondis to bonus be getting fake offensive stats I'm going with Jamal Murray He is listen he's very He's very good as the offensive hub right his passing is his passing is really good however i've seen this man be wide open from 18 feet right david west range dear and headlights doesn't even want to look at the basket

you can't be scared and be and be a better if he could shoot a little bit i would lean his way but i'm just leaning jamal murray bro because i can't scheme him in his offensive game out but for sub bonus you're a problem at times jemal murray chm murray is a definition shramal murray has been known for his career as a playoff riser you put him in a playoff series you're getting the best out of him to monta sabonis you put him in a playoff series you're getting the absolute worst out of him there is no way i'd ever pick him offensively over jama murray yeah not not on my watch those passes are kind of i've seen what he said those passes are kind of cool but it's not cool enough dribble handoff assists are not cool at all well that's the bonus is bag

what are you trying to do here i thought you called them boneless boneless boneless I got retainers on it. I got retainers in my invisible line back today. So if I sound funny with some words, that's why. John Morant or Tyrese Halliburton? I'm going John Morant. Why? Ah, man.

Tyrese's passing is amazing. And in the same ways we talk about Trey when it comes to being an engine. Tyrese is that a little bit less of the scoring because the scoring isn't just there just yet because you can't get to the line and shit. it doesn't have the versatility Listen November in season tournament Tyre's Hellebren

That's a different level of offense He would get picked Until I see him get back to that level For two months in a row We gotta go John Morant Exactly And John Jahn's an underrated playmaker Right

Definitely People like you think about Jai And you're just like Oh yeah he could jump real high Right he's a dunker He's a downhill merchant All that stuff He can pass the ball

And so when you have that And his level of score and being able to just really carry an offense like that, now I'm taking Jop. He knows how to use the athleticism functionally better than 99% of players. The way he uses that, the way he uses that athleticism to get to the rim,

create shots for himself and others, is putting, puts him in that top level. True. John Moran, it is you. Is there one more? Nope, that's the last one. No. And that's the end of this episode.

If people are still here, what should they comment? What should we call back to? who Brunton better For still here Comment Donovan is Robert Ory And we'll see y'all next week

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