The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Best NBA Players Of The Playoffs | Ep. 89

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

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Look at y'all in the same room again. How cute. You're here too? It's all three of us. Nikil's here too. It's just cute. It's just cute. Love the virus.

Welcome back to another episode. As you can see, we're in person here from the NBA Combine. More coming for that next week. Stay tuned. You'll see more about that. But yeah, man, lots to talk about today. Lots of happened since we were here a week ago. And, I mean, we can go ahead and,

hop right into it, the obvious. I got harassed. Well, harassed bad. You got, online. It's harassed a word. Not even. Not even.

People are just funny. Online, that's really it. Yeah, but I think you got like, eradicated from your inwards out, like just completely decimated,

imploded as a man. Not as a man. Not as a man. Maybe not a phrase that way. That's not what I was getting that. But as a person, as a being. Okay.

What are you trying to say? Get to the point, buddy. I just think that. they turned you to dust, is what I'm trying to say. Cooked, fried. Cooked is a good way to do it. If you guys didn't see our last stream, there was a whole thing we'll show on the screen now

where people were photoshopped and pictures of us. We had this one on the screen right now where somebody put Mo on the damn cover because Nikiel tweeted out this picture of Mo that caught him off guard from our photo shoot. It became a whole thing. We broke it down at length on stream. Somebody printed out the damn poster and hung it on their wall above their bed.

It was ridiculous. To the person who did that, where is your dad? Where is your mom? We need to get you having some Real life activities. What happened to parenthood? But after that, it got worse. I threw smoke on the flame and these motherfuckers on Twitter ran with it.

They started drawing us. There was a whole thing. This is the first drawing. Someone drew this of me. Said, one like, and I'm going to draw you. I like the tweet. I want to see what he's cooking. On top he wrote, Mo is a big forehead.

I quoted it. I acknowledged a big forehead joke and that's where I did you dirty. And I am sorry for that. Because what came after that was life changing. He keeps rolling up. Then we got to the printing of the damn thing. Keep going.

Crazy. We got to this picture where someone draw three of us where I am three inches tall and Mo is a sea creature and then Donovan's just like right there

Donovan just walked onto earth Like, Mo called me a caveman whenever you saw that Accurate. He said I looked like Accurate I would say something more lizard-like

Mo is a hammerhead shark If we're being kind If we're being mean, he's a pickle And you're like a fairly god He's not a pickle He got, listen he got the yam on this face That did be so wrong

He's some sort of collection of farmer's market ingredients Yeah. And then what made it even worse is that there's a pot on my head. It's not a hat. Sometimes I wear hats or whatever, but never on the pot for real because of the headphones. So they decided to throw a pot on my head. Yeah, yeah.

That's a steel pan. Cast iron. Not great. Yeah, no. And you may think this is really bad. You might think, oh my God, they guys did you guys crazy. This is wild. But there was way, way, way worse.

They did you, Isaac on most shoulder. Like, he was like an angel. Like, it's like the devil and the angel. Like, it's a little elk. And it looked like Guillermo Daltoro. Crazy. We continue on. We kept going.

Mo fell asleep on stream. That was hilarious. Someone drew me as a giga Chad. This looks nuts. Have no idea what that is. Looks like some form of a demon, but okay. You're not online enough. If you're super online and have chronic illness like me do of internet brain, you'll know what that means.

He knows all about looks maxing. He does. I don't know what this is. You mute this morning. What is mewing? And you ain't see me this morning, too. All right. We'll continue.

you, then we got this is my personal favorite. Okay. Click on this. Let's zoom in a little bit. Let's dissect this. We have to dissect this. So one, I am Mike Wazzowski. I have a book in my hand that says how to glaze Yokic.

And you're wearing a hat as well. And I repeat, I am Mike Wazowski. Other than that, the... What's on your hat? What's on your hat? L.A., I think. Okay. It looks like says Zah, but I think so say L.A.

Donovan is shooting hoops with the New York jersey on. And he's airball. From that famous video of you airballing it all-star weekend. Listen, it was snowing, bro. Like, the trajectory is hilarious because he hit it right on the left side. I don't shoot like that. I shoot much better. So you may think, oh my God, Donovan's airballing, it's a good callback.

The ball is Moe. His head is the ball. And listen, you're just the head man now. You're just gnaugging. I mean, no facts. Hey, yeah. That is got a great way to say. So much to talk about here.

By the way, if you're still here, drop a like on the video, subscribe. five stars all that I said earlier then they drew me somebody really talented drew me with like a watercolor pen on their iPad or something

they're in their bag this is really good when I saw this I was like yo holy fuck like no jokes aside this is hard as fuck me next

yeah that was the worst thing that I ever asked for he was like all right I open it up you know like I'm like oh shit

he got my facial hair my nose my lips my eyes my eyebrows are fire and then I look up I'm like okay with my forehead and that motherfucker I kept on going on I'm like, when is this going to stop?

I couldn't even see this picture fully with my regular iPhone. I had to hop on my fucking brother's iPad. I'm like, yo. This is worse than Peyton Manning. This is the biggest forehead of all time. This is quite literally like an embarrassment, ashamed of like, I'm so ashamed to the TD3 community, for sure.

No, I'm actually very proud of them. Very proud until you're next. It happens. It's going to happen to everyone, you know. Mine hasn't come yet. Your time will come. You're lucky you are very regular, and I don't have any glaring, defining features

because, man, they would point him out. No, people are going to find anything, bro. Once they see you play basketball, they'll be like, oh, shit. What the fuck? You laughing to my brother, you're going to be even more cook, you know?

I'm like, oh, fuck. I'm a locket. Like, I'm not going to say anything. He said, wait until they see that fucking handle. It's okay. Oh, man, but it was my time. Everyone gets punched down, beat up. It's okay.

You know why? Because it made me a better man. your time's gonna come I'll be there for you your time's gonna come and I'll be there for you too beat up is not a nice is not doing it justice

yeah we'll play tic tic tics on your forehead later again you're cooked you got cooked with that being said cue the intro onto the real pod

the crad the cranium is crazy oh my god I mean I don't know don't know what to say Pray on Eaters Rejoice So since we last recorded

These series have advanced, obviously And the Cleveland Cavaliers Have been gentlemen swept As expected by the Boston Celtics And you know It went exactly as expected, right? They were by far the worst team The Celtics are a bit unsirious

At times they dropped one game Just like they did against the heat And they beat the fuck out of them But the Cavs also had a lot of injuries and so on Missing their best player does a lot, shocker True But as soon as the series ended We don't want to talk about the series right

They were just worse It is what it is But as soon as the series ended shams to sham's shit and he tweeted out the gossip story about everything brewing in that locker room

like he does at every team that loses basically if DeMitch is re-signed Darius Garland is going to request a trade 100% and Evan Mobley

apparently never wanted to be there in the first place which was a hilarious addition to the story I feel like that's just so smoke because usually every single NBA player

coming into the draft every single prospect coming into the draft sometimes they defer like yeah I don't draft me Tyreys Halliburton did that bro Stefan Kassels out here saying in this year's draft

like yeah I'm a point guard And I'm sure behind the doors he's going to be like, yeah, don't draft me if you don't have me, you don't want to have me playing a point. Evan Mowgli did like what he did, you know? But to have it come out in this timing, made it seem so devious with intentions behind the people who put it out. And the article says that he wanted to be on OKC to try to maneuver that. OKC try to try it up to number three. But the Cavs said, no, we're taking Mowgli. Imagine if they traded up and got Mowgli.

Who's the messiest person you know and why is it shams? Literally every team has, every team that loses has this sharp. shocking expose about how everybody always hated each other for the last nine months, how they never got along. Listen, Donovan Mitchell tweeted out today because there was some more reporting that came out, and he tweeted out today saying that everything was cap and he actually... I'm sure.

Exactly that he actually liked his teammates than that. Yeah, some have reported... I believe him on this. I do. Who the fuck is Chris Fedor or Fedor? I don't know. He's not shams. Fuck him.

I don't believe him. But Donovan Mitchell has been a good teammate this whole time. he's been very for the team trying to make it work saying and doing all the right things given that he could have been a diva a long time ago and request a trade he hasn't done that so I believe him but I also believe that Rich Paul is looking at this and being like this is not good for Garland

so if DMH is here shit my guy out of here that makes total sense to me 100%. But it makes me happy that everybody else in the world knows exactly what's wrong with the Cleveland Cavaliers we've been saying it for a year and a half now that they just probably don't work together and it's very clear

and the fact that everybody's agent and management understands yeah this isn't going to work that that in itself is good and if you have to pick between Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell you're probably going to pick Donovan Mitchell so Darius Garland finally gets

to be exposed or not exposed but unlocked again on a new team. He's probably going to pick Donovan Mitchell unless he doesn't want to be there and he's not going to commit to resigning after next year no he's one year left maybe he says like I'm going to see what free agency has for me

and he's not committal committing either way, then maybe you say let's rock with a young guy, let him get back on track and develop and ship Donovan Mitchell to the Lakers for awesome reasons for your first-on picks. And you formed the best big three in the NBA with LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Donovan Mitchell to the point where they have so much offensive firepower that no one can fuck with them and we'll stop talking about Nicole Oakhage forever. This dude is getting moist, bro.

Let's calm down over here. Wow! What are we talking about right now? You just gave a full-on synopsis, told us about your long-lasting dream that you probably had last night. It's not happening. I'm talking about destiny. I'm talking about reality

because I'm somebody who speaks truth into existence I create truth from matter out of nowhere Okay average

You're okay You're okay If you're them And I assume D Mitch won't commit to a sign extension He'll probably say

I'm gonna test free agency If not say trade me Do you take the risk And I hope he resigns the following year Or do you trade Garland You If I'm the Cleveland

Cavaliers And if he didn't want To commit to me Right then and there That should put you In a scary place because you gave up an absurd amount of picks as you should have for a player

of that level of talent. But at the same time, you got to look out for yourself, try to recoup of the assets that you did lose when it came to making that trade and giving up Lorry Market and all those picks

and just start from Square One with Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, and Darry's going. That honestly is the best option. Which is exactly where they were two years ago and they could have just kept... But there's also that Mobley and Allen fit, which we've seen as runs course.

And we also saw, listen, they got their backs going out about the Celtic is what it is. I feel like we saw, especially in his last game, Mowgli can play center, I think, or at the very least, he needs to be allowed to develop as a center. He got better as a series going on as a center.

The first couple of games he really struggled, wasn't aggressive at the rim, it hurt them offensively. Last game, he scored 20, and he did his job. He scored 30. Yeah, he had 35. He had 33. I don't want to miss be going to remember,

but yeah, like, in a span of one series, we saw him get better there in that role, he needs to be allowed to be a center because if he's never going to shoot, it's easier to imagine him developing as a rim score to be a good center than it is for him to imagine becoming a krypton spursingia type of shooter you know so yeah all right really really put every

mobile like the anthony davis game plan yeah of like all right like you're not going to play the four full time take a summer take two summers put the weight put the muscle on right and get ready give him a bunch of fair life a bunch of fit crunch bars all the creatine in the world all the creatine in the world everything you can think of a meal replacement shakes give him ice cream with olive oil in it that's what my god really that's a lot of calories out there that's crazy feed this motherfucker and get him

huge let him be a not even huge because whatever the Cleveland Browns are doing with their offensive linemen give that program to everyone drink peanut butter before you sleep and you'll be straight hang out with Luca Donchich that was uncalled that was uncalled

maybe maybe okay let's talk about the subject I agree with you guys wholeheartedly getting rid of Donovan Mitchell and Jared Allen who's like he was an all-star just a couple years ago. A lot of people forget about that. And he's a great starting center too, above average as well. You get a lot of value back and you get a chance to reset your entire identity and focus

on the development of Garland and even more importantly, Evan Mobley. And you can get a lot for those two players. Like you can get Ingram for Allen and some stuff, I think. You can get a lot of picks back, some young talent. You can get Austin Reeves in the door for Donovan Mitchell. You go into next year with Garland, Reeves, Ingram, Mobley, And Struce, as you're starting five, that's a place of, that's a good start. Yeah.

And you would hate watching that team. I'm not a cast fan. I'm a late. That's a gender person. But, okay, it makes sense, though. Obviously, they have to pick one. But I do think that at the end of the day, talent wins out. And you are going to go with the best player.

And even in this series, and especially in the first round series against Orlando, it was very clear. Donovan Mitchell is the best player. on this team and he can rise to a level that he can win playoff games by himself right he can go on these heaters where you can get one or two games and swing a series and now all of a sudden you're up and so if you are trying to get somebody to fit around him that will probably work better than darius garland and yeah he may have he may darius garland can go on and have a great career i know that right now donovan mitchell is a playoff riser he proved it again and i would want to but there's an important question are you willing to take the gamble though he's

gonna resign with you we have to we don't have to though because we have garland who will be better without him you're a risky man and garland played poorly so they may not act like it's gonna be a magic flip switch but also i do buy the whole thing that he broke his jaw and i saw a lot of cast fans tweeting about uh things how there's a link between your grip strength and your jaw so when you injure your jaw you with your head yeah it had like these muscles have to do with your grip strength level i do kind of buy that that seems like it's true and we We know he broke his jaw and lost 10 pounds and struggled to get to the rim after that because he was so down

and weight. And if that is a thing that it messes up with your hand coordination, I do buy that's why he played so poor. And I mean, and also on top of that, too, it was just hard to find your rhythm on a consistent basis alongside Donovan Mitchell, who's, like, just so ball dominant, you know? So I don't blame him for all of those things. I know as soon

as Daniel, Darius Garland gets prioritizes the main offensive piece and offensive engine that he was just a couple of years ago, he should return back to form. He also has to play better to you, so it's not to give him that. That is true. he played trash he's young and he needs him and moby both haven't been able to develop very much for the last couple years because they're playing such win now basketball and i think we have to get back to the point of reset that and let them have time to grow into who they can be i agree also they have to figure out who's gonna coach this team because it's clear that jb bickerstaff is not going to be the guy to coach those and so it's the cabs are in such a weird spot because on one hand you have a lot of assets you have a lot of talent on the other it feels like you're starting from ground zero It feels like you need a complete re-haul in terms of the direction that you're going in,

who's coaching, what star are you going to have, like, what kind of basketball are you going to play? I'm very interested in seeing which direction that they take moving forward. Yeah. Okay. Well, listen, as you guys see about title, we're going to rank our top 10 players in playoffs today as the main part of this episode. For now, we have three more playoffs series to fly through and give updates on before we get to that. Nikiel, I see you with your mic in your hand. What are you about to say to me?

I was just saying a couple, Alan with Raymond Felton. Send him to San Antonio. Yeah. I can see it. Did you mean he say Garland? Oh, my bad. Yeah. You said Raymond Felton.

I was like, I'm like, I'll take it. He said Alan, I was like, okay, him and Wembe is pretty big. Maybe. Not a different type of big. Oh, wow. But no, Garland needs to be in San Antonio or New Orleans. Yeah. I like that.

I'm good with that. See you in Utah, Garland. In Utah, wow. Okay, next series, let's talk about this one real fast. Knicks versus Pacers. It started off, they're up 2-0, and Donovan was like, listen, New York is a center of all reality. Nobody's more important than an average New Yorker. We are America, even though it's not a Yorker, but whatever.

And then after that on last stream, the Pacers won two straight, and you were like, oh, fuck, the sky's falling. We're going to lose. You said, no, I said this after the game, too. Yeah. You said the Pacers are going to win in six. You had zero faith the Knicks would win another game, and they proved wrong. No, no, no, no. I did not say that they would win.

I said that I wouldn't be shocked if they did. Like if that ultimately, yeah, if that ultimately was the plan or like was what happened, I wouldn't be shocked just because at a certain point, regardless of how much dog you have in you and how much you fight and how much you scratch and claw, I feel like in the playoffs, talent and being able to make shots

and have, you know, better players on your team should matter. Well, regardless, they end up dogs with one more game and now they're up three, two. How did you feel about this last game? This last game was, I mean, an embodied Knicks basketball, like every single other playoff game that they played, bro. Alec Berks played a key, crazy. Fantastic role.

If it wasn't him, I don't know who it was going to be. You know, Deuce McBride did his best, the best absolutely could do. You have a look at this. How many offense are your bounds you think the Pacers had? In game five? Yeah. I don't know if you look. Let him answer.

I've been, I've looked. Four. Five. Woo-wee shit. I mean, the Knicks had. Oh, probably like 15. 20. Damn.

Who the fuck has 20? any offensive rebounds in the game. And it was just Josh Hart by himself. Bro, the pay. If you're getting back to the Knicks, the Pacers sucked awfully in that game. They did. Tyreys, we've gotten Tyre's Taliborne a lot of slack. He gets the most slack, not a lot of slack, the most slack.

I honestly think it's just us giving Tyree Taliborne the most like, because everybody else has been on his case for a half a year. True. So, okay, so Tyree Talibon was great to start the year. Everybody loved him. And people were like, okay, we can't say much her now. He's been great. Then he'd hurt his hamstring.

I proceeded to play like dog shit for a while and all the haters came out like I told you all you're all crowding him too early Lincenity run over Yeah we're like relax he's injured What are you gonna do He's trying to hit the 65 game in one whatever He's still injured a little bit right

We know hamstrings and linger for a while We saw it with James Harden whatever Man that shit was in January This is not just hamstring anymore He is playing poorly He is like another young player That we'll talk about in the OKC series Is a great player that shines in regular season obviously

But in the playoffs you need to have counters You need to have versatility to your game when people take away what you want to do most, which in his case is a step back three. He is in a place right now where his offensive scoring skill set is so limited that he just disappears. Sure the passing is great, sure that's awesome.

He is eliminated as a score so easily and he has to prove that if he's ever going to be a true superstar. Bro, when he was coming out of college, a lot of people were, a lot of scouts were worried about the versatility in his scoring. And we're literally seeing that issue

still pop up in his game just because of the, you know, not sporadic, but like free-flowing ways that he likes to get his offense off. And in moments like this, like, I mean, I hate to use this word and put it so simple, but you've got to have a bag and he just doesn't have that. He's that simple, though. You're right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's the lack of having a bag and it's also the lack of effort defensively. Like the fact that he is, we've known that he's a cone and we've been able to kind of look past it and be like, okay, but you're still this like offensive engine that can, you know, raise the floor of a team like we'll give you a pass if you can't score and you can't defend now we have to have real conversations about you being our 1a or you being our point guard right and one of the two best players on this on this team i'm not saying like like long term

if this was him forever then you'd yeah yeah and i'm not again i'm not saying long term but that can't happen when you are one of the leaders of the team in terms of playing that bad on both ends of the floor because at that point you're just rickie rubia with a ratchet sometimes you know and again this is he's not fucked forever of course this is exactly the type of thing that you need playoff experience for to be exposed and like I said we'll talk about another play like this one very high on in the okay C series you need these reps in a playoff series to have your readings to show and so you know what to work on what to improve on he's going through that learning curve right now he has to get better from this has to develop a mid-range game he has to know not

to pick up a dribble too early when he's driving to the rim he's just in pass mode and picks up really early and kicks out he needs to really attack the rim and extend his dribble into the paint and get those pain touches. It's all around. He needs to improve in all these offensive scoring ways that hopefully will come at time. And all that means is that he just needs to have a bag,

bro. Like be unpredictable. That's what that encapsulates having to have a bag and being unpredictable. Because at that point, that just opens up so much for you and your team offensively and that consistently just keeps the defense on their toes.

This is the difference, right? This is what happens when you are trying to go from a all-star level player to being a superstar that can win playoff series. This is, doesn't Jaylen Brunson had experience last year and now you can't throw anything at him that'll stop him he's gonna get to his spots and do anything regardless

he has seen so many different coverages and they are all irrelevant Tyrese has to have that type of leap eventually not to be Jalen because he's one of the what we're seeing from him is all time ridiculous but Tyrese has to learn from this oh my goodness this I love this scene also now that we're talking about

the players too Pascal Seaccombe what the what is going on he's been so bad and not a lot of people are paying attention to it They traded for him to alleviate some of the pains that Tyrese Halliborne would have to go through as the 1A type score that we thought he was initially. And Pascal Seacom has done nothing but makes shit worse for him at this point in time. Well, I don't know if it's worse, but he doesn't feel worse, bro. Like, I don't see the difference between the Pacers now and before. Yeah.

There's been some moments in the playoffs where you shine, but definitely not with any form of consistency. And for all Seacom's strength and weaknesses, he was known as being pretty consistent, I think. Yes. Yes, he was. For the most part. He's a low ceiling, high floor type of star that he's going to come in and help you consistently

do the type of things he does. Yeah, we haven't seen that. And I don't know, maybe that's the thing that comes to time. You only have to have half a season together. He had to hope so at this point in time. It's not like he's a cook. He's also not getting any younger.

Maybe 20 to 21, Pascal Seaccom isn't with us anymore. Yeah, that's a lot of things working against. Time is up. Nix killed him. This is what it is. Y'all do have, you have the next winning the series, though?

Yeah. I think, I think right now, the fact that they were able to get game five, and even if they go and lose game six with how Tyrese is playing right now and the way that the Knicks play at home and the environment that MSG is going to be in game seven, I find it very hard to believe that the Pacers are going to summon whatever they need to to go into that building and winning game seven. Yeah, Nixon 7.

I still stand on that. Nixon 7, all right. Let's fly through these next two Western Conference ones which sucks these are very interesting Last night we saw Luca Dantish returned to MVP form after being out of shape and injured for about a series and a half now

He hasn't quite left about Luca He's averaging just under 24 points per game for the series Which is a far cry from regular season Luca We know it's because of injuries that have added up He's really out of shape which is weird That he gets out of shape midseason Whatever he's being Luca But last night

He came out and showed that if he was healthy They would have made slight work of the Thunder He was incredible last night Ridiculous shot making All the Mavs three-point shooters Hit their shots All the Thunder three-point shooters Missed their shots

Yeah They just beat the shit out of them The Mavs defense is suffocating And is the reason they can be A championship team Donovan, you tell me what you saw Because I was eating wings yesterday And Buffalo saw I squirt into my eye

That really happened It actually did I actually did So tell me He was like, uh So I saw a couple things One I saw Why as he just said

I saw Luca Donchids Go to the place and the level of player that all of us were like hey is this guy like potentially the best player in the world like to be able to go on the road in the two two series and rise to that occasion hit every single big shot every time that the thunder were making a run back luca would take a step back three and just be like no like it's just not happening you guys just aren't you guys just aren't going to do it and listen we have been very very quick and uh very much so on the jdub fan train I got a lot to say about that.

He has not been J-dub, the series. He's in bad. And when you look at the box scores and you look at the Thunder losing these games because Shea is scoring his 30 and nobody else on the Thunder scoring 20, normally that is J-dub, right? Normally he's able to hit these shots and his scoring would be able to keep the Thunder within games, right? Keep it close.

Put them in a space where they are able to execute down the, the stretching games and that's not happening with jdub yeah and that along with luka going to like luka places that is one of the biggest reasons why the thunder are down three to in the series i uh that's your man's coming into the series i said it's gonna go seven i said yeah i'm gonna talk you're man i'll claim it i'm gonna talk to you uh coming the series i said it's gonna go seven i said i don't feel comfortable picking a winner either way it's gonna be incredibly close if i gave you prediction i'd be lying but i said i guess i'll lean thunder mostly because Luca didn't look that good

and I was like, I think these teams are comparable if one star is healthy and one star is not I'll go with the healthy star but I said in the stream when we predicted it it'll come down to

just who executes better game to game because these teams have no clear advantage over one another or come down to who makes more shots that's what's happened right?

It looks like it's going seven at least clearly it's going six the Mavs defense has been the difference OKC is the top three-point shooting team in the league regularly they were shot 10 for 40

last night and they just part of that you know just bad shooting is what it is happens but the Mavs are not letting them them get into what they normally want to do. And they're forcing a lot of isolation ball

with Shea when everybody else stands around because all the small, small pick and roll stuff that, okay, she likes to do normally has to shutting that shit down. Highly switchable defenders, suffocating them. And Jadov, to negate that, has to be a star. Like you've seen him be in the regular season.

Listen, I've been as quick as anybody to crown him. He's incredible by one of my favorite players. What I said about Tyrese, needing the playoff series to be exposed, this is what he needed because he is being ick, motherfucking exposed. I think I told you off camera. I don't think I said it on the pod.

After an episode where I was over here hyping him up, I was like, I'm low-key scared. He might have a Jalen Brown playoff series eventually because his handle is kind of loose. That's what's happening. He has no comfortability, no ability to make paint penetration right now.

He relies heavily in the regular season off of length and making tough jumpers. It's a lot harder to do when you got PJ Washington breathing down your throat and you can't get to the rim. He's been hesitant to take spot-up threes and take tough to test threes. He wants to save his new point of shooting percentage.

And that's hurting him. He hasn't taken more. I think he's made like four threes this entire series, which is ridiculous. That's insane. And he needs a deeper bag, like you guys are saying. He needs to be more physical and assertive at the rim using his size. Needs to rely less on tough shot making, more than fundamentals to get easy baskets, get to the line. All the exact type of things that you need to be exposed in the playoffs to get better at.

Yeah. Because when he's going to the basket, you can see, you can see him trying to make the adjustments midair. And now he's off balance throwing these crazy shots where he's like leaning, trying to make a bank shot, right? Yeah. with like with one hand it's very it very much looks uncomfortable and but it really is just about to finish him because i do feel like he's been able honestly to get downhill to to get himself to the rim it's finishing over over lively it's finishing over gaffer right that's been from from my perspective that's been you know who reminds me of mo who we talk about imagine

what paliman caro needs to improve at how he's very reliant on these jumpers using a skill i need to get better at asserting his physical dominance and getting the easy stuff at the rim. Same thing with J-Dub. Yeah, no, I can 100% see that. I mean, he's a second-year player. It's not the end of the world, of course, but at the same time, it's like, all right, bro, like, you have the information. Now you need to go ahead and act on that once time has gone past. Once, before the series started, I was like you, I really did not know who to lean in terms of who's winning this series. I felt like Oklahoma City Thunder had more advantages just on paper, but I'm like, the other side has Luca donches, but Luke is not 100%.

I might go, okay, C, but it's going to be a long-ass series. It's going to be like seven. Of course, wrong like shit. Derek Lively's out playing. Well, maybe. We don't know. Yeah, that's true. But it's, yeah, you know what?

I'm not going to speak on it. But you just can't have PJ Washington being the third best player in the series out after, like, Luca and Shea. You know, it's just like, you can't have that. And what PJ Washington is doing right now has been so special. He's been a combination of a lot of different. a lot of the best role players in the league. Some nights I look at him, I'm just like, yo, who's making all them three?

Is that MPJ on the Dallas Mavericks? Nope, it's just PJ Washington. Damn, where did that come from? You know? So, if the Oklahoma City Thunder were to go ahead and win, my question to you guys is, how would that happen? You know, again, it's not over.

It's just they have to execute better. Like we said, they have to, J-Duff has to play better, they have to make more threes. They have to do a better job containing luke, all the stuff we've seen them do when they win. They have to not lose the rebounding battle. It's just 3-2.

You know, it's not 3-1, so they have to do what they've done in the other two wins. They have to defend better, play better. There's not a huge outlier on either side. It really comes down to shot making this. Yeah, because even it just, as somebody who picked OKC, obviously, like, being down 3-2 isn't what you want to see. But it's also very discouraging because their second win, they stole that. Yeah.

Like, there was no reason for them to win. Meltdown. Yeah, to win game four like that. And so game five should have been the club. out they should they really should have lost the series in five and so i'm i don't know if they go into dallas and they're able to uh to win game six one thing a bright spot for for the thunder though outside of shade yo shout out case and wallace yes sir case and wallace has been hooping and he's been one of the most important players for for the thunder and i feel like every time

that the mabs are like trying to build a lead case and wallace he'll have a steal he'll make a a big three, right? Just to keep it reasonable, I feel like he's been one of their most playable, you know, options. And we've been talking about Josh Giddy being bad and who are you going to figure out to play in that role?

Case and Wallace has stepped up, and he's been the guy that you can actually trust in these big moments. I'm glad you ended a bright spot. Let's talk about a shit-stained spot. Everything we said about Sam Presti, not making moves to the deadline, we were correct about.

We were. This team has such a glaring hole at the backup five. Shout out Jane Williams. I love his shot making. cool player to have on your team should not be your back of five nice teammate guy

should not be your only backup big he has a role but not as your only backup big what's wrong with him he's small he can't defend the rim he could be a good stretch four a good stretch five in certain stints but when you have every minute of the court on the other side will have Daniel Gafford

or Derek lively eating the rim destroying the rim at lobs nobody that can stop it besides shed Hongren that hole is glaring this team is the one seed they were good enough to win a championship this year oh we'll see inexperience whatever but they were you you don't get the one seat very often so to take that for granted and not maximize that year everybody said that and said they should make moves they didn't everybody's right shout out go to heyward yeah i mean god don't get me started the sentiment of just like you don't want to waste any years in the NBA just because injuries happen you never know like player luck and shit like that like it's very true but at the same time too along with alongside that like i feel like i'm right and i'm kind of like i say that as if the series is over not over but age is showing in certain aspects of this like chet hongerman has had multiple offensive thinkers in her

row as of late but he's been doing his thing on defense as well like contesting everything but so far it feels like derrick livy has had a bigger impact in the series than him you know and dude just turned 20 in february so it's like you have to you have to have to find your advantages and okayc has a lot of them they just haven't had the ability to capitalize on it yeah we can move on they just series isn't over we'll see but do you have to make shots if they lose we know what yeah they got out executed which end of the day the maps are an elite team. We did our power records before the season. I ranked before the playoffs. I ranked the Mavs

three in the Thunder four. So I thought they were marginally better. And if they went in seven, that's what happens when the team's marginally better. But we know exactly why they weren't better than Mavs and it was very preventable. Yeah. Isaac, I am ready to move on. Me too. A couple weeks ago or really one week ago, you over here

sad, depressed, confused. You were just trying to find yourself because you're goat, your God, your Savior. Nicola Yorker's down 02 in a series against a Rudy Gaubert and Carl Anthony Towns led team and now they're tied up

2-2, not even 2-2, they're up 3-2 right now actually Yeah, you mentioned about a week ago down 02 You don't think about the old days? They're the old days I just watched Nicola Yokic put on one of the greatest offensive scoring masterpieces I've ever seen against the DPOI and everybody on Twitter wants to rush

to be like Rudy Gaubert is a fraud, so-and-so. Why does he have four D-P-O-Y? He can't guard that guy. If you're seven-footer, can't guard the other seven-footer. He's not a D-P-O-Y. Fuck, all that. We can slander him another day,

mostly for his offense, which is horrific in the series, which I'm starting to admit it is a bigger problem than I thought. This was not a terrible Rudy Go-Ber defensive game. This was an elite, masterful scoring game on Nicola Yokic

and just shows that we're witnessing one of the best players of our lifetimes, at least. I don't know where he'll rank all time when it's all said and don't. don't really care about that today, but just purely offensive players, LeBron, MJ, Yokic, Curry.

That's the top tier. Then obviously other guys do. That I, he's in that top tier. Whatever, wherever you think it is, and this game is why we know he's the best passion in the league. And if you're the best passion in league for an extended period of time, you're going to be one of the best passers of all time.

Scoring, we always say those people like Joelle and beat are better and all that just because they shoot more. When we see games like this, and we know when he needs to pull it out, that he can pull that motherfucker out, and he can beat you in a million different ways. He can beat you with hooks, with fades, with threes over-go-bear, off the dribble.

He has no weakness in his game offensively. Now, he is a cone. His defense is overrated by some stands. I'll admit that. But offensively, you cannot poke a hole in this guy, and if they go back-to-back, this will be why. Would that feel good? Yes, because I thought they were going to lose.

I had admitted it. I was like, fuck it. I'm riding to Anthony Edwards, MJ trained to the moon with the rest, y'all. I'll just enjoy greatness. I said that. I was coping. I wanted him to lose. I wanted them to lose so bad.

I wanted to meltdown. And now we're at the precipice of it. We're recording this before game six starts. Maybe the Nuggets close it out. I don't know. If not, if it's going seven, we'll see that next time. It's a good day to be Yokish, Dan.

Get it out of your mouth. Wow. Don, it's your turn. I'm so tired of hearing that shit. You're going to hear it a lot more, so get used to it. You're going to hear it for the next six years. Get out.

Oh, my God. That was the craziest thing you've ever done. Was it not accurate? I've known Isaac for like four years now. Dude, Jokic is up. Kendrick is up. We're in Chicago. I don't think I've ever seen them smile more in my life. This is the best day in my life.

Best week in my life. You can't tell me shit. Slow down. They haven't one just said. I do feel like they're going to go ahead and do so. But we can talk about what they did on the other side of the court. But the type of defenses that they threw at Anthony Edwards was just... Donovan's in shock.

A gas. I've never... Listen, we say some crazy stuff. The imagery of that noise was crazy. That's wild. Yeah, that prepped. Did you not... It was nostalgic, wasn't it?

That's wild. Did you not get sick and tired and just see what he was doing on a consistent basis? He went on like a 10-minute rant. Oh, God. He's been on Twitter. He's been an I message. Like, he's been going crazy. You're disgusting.

I'm just on the winning team and it's fine. All right. You haven't won yet. Okay. I will. I will agree with that. The same way that people were taking victory laps after the Nuggets went down. I'm mostly joking.

Yeah. Yeah. But the same way that they took... Victory laps after game two. We kind of have to do the same thing now. Have a little bit of patience. Like the Nuggets, they still have to, they still have to, you know, close this thing out and they're going on the road.

I don't think, I do think that they will win today. I do think that they will close it out because Yokic has unlocked, you know, himself. The first two games were just so on Yokic, like, in terms of being pushed around, not looking, not looking the same way. And we talked about us at length on the stream last week. So if we want to hear a breakdown of how they came back, go back to that stream. Yeah.

So, like, all that stuff is crazy. So he definitely looks fine now. But, yo, I'll say this about Rudy Gobert. And I'm not going to pile on Rudy or anything because you are right. If there really is nobody in the world. Exactly. That can stop Yokic. But damn it, if anybody can make it seem possible, can we get that.

the four-time D.P.O.W. It just, it just, it just, come on. Like, and be, and, listen, people were just saying, like, look at the moves that he's, that he's pulling out to. Look at that. Come on.

I mean, Hakeem couldn't stop that. What the fuck is this? Look at Rudy's length. He did a good job. It doesn't matter. I need you to throw an elbow, do something, right? Show some pride.

Most Eddie, get the crow bars. Yeah, get him out. It was a certain point in time in the fourth quarter. Like, Minnesota kept this game really close to up the entirety of the thing, which is really impressive, considering Anthony Edwards had had the worst game that we've seen him play for a long time, you know. But as time went on in the fourth quarter, this is back-to-back games, that we've seen bad games from in. Like 13-point lead, 13-point lead turned into a 19-point lead. It's just kapoof and you're just done for, you know.

But at a certain point in time, you just have to realize, like, there's just nothing that you can do. And the only hope that you have is, like, what can we do? do to improve ourselves at this point in time. Wait, can you run that playback again? Listen, MJ had his pistons. These, the nuggets are Anthony Edwards' pistons. When is he getting, when is he against, Scottie Piven? He has, he has, but no, like, okay, so if it is going to take Anthony Edwards to score

40 a night, an efficient 40 a night for them to compete with the nuggets, it's going to be very hard for them to win these next two games. We've seen, again, now that Yolke is. has unlocked and figured and figured out how to score against the Tim Wolves, everything else is unlocked. And we also thought, like, I thought that the Nuggets were in trouble because Jamal Murray was not Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray has turned up, like, he's been his normal self.

And so when you have that dynamic duo, who we have said, is the best duo, the best two-man game in the league, and now you have that to attack this crazy Minnesota defense outside of just going one-on-one all the time and nobody's knocking down shots like kCP finally is hitting shots jemal murray is finally doing it use the theme of these playoffs and you will probably see now in the modern NBA shot making in three-point variance is going to be a very very big key and if you can knock down your shots and if you can have somebody who can draw two and you can you know spray the ball out get shooters involved that's the key and yokech makes every single pass and now you have guys who can make tough shots who can make open threes and they're kind of

unstoppable i got to say some i don't even think jemal mary has been the second best player for the i agree i agree i agree aaron gordon has been sensational in every way a man look it is i love him taking all these turns out of bankers shots on a consistent basis when like ruddy gobert and these boys are like at times daring him to shoot a three and him just cashing it opens up so it opens up the floodgates quite literally for the denver nuggets and make them make them makes them unguarded what he does offensively defensively especially what does gobert do about that what the fuck does go better do about that that is ridiculous what a d's do something what a d's god bro calls him from the stands i saw handle that i saw a tweet i said

ruddy gober can't stop him unless he brings in john moran he brings his gun to the god's the only thing that ruddy gober can do you can phone a friend and tell him to bring a gat and then we can stop this guy yeah exactly this is where the p j tuckers of the world this is where guys like the udonis and has them's of the world never that not to say that he's ever did that but you need a glorified crash out to go ahead and handle that james johnson they need one of them let's hire his brother like the nassus and let's get him out here throwing elbows you get the torresial bro can't do none yeah man we can move on listen if the nuggets choke the series and tumble wills lose then all this was for nothing and we go back to what

we said a week ago and this is the defensive destiny but until then is looking like this white Motherfucker is going to be run the league for a long time. 40-10 no turnover. This is my favorite marshmallow man ever. How many marshmallow men are there? Several. In NBA history? Luca Donchich.

That's two. That's where the list ends. Several is more than three. Brian Scalabrini. All right, you got me. Luke Cornett. He's not marshmallow. He's skinny.

Okay, well. He's not puffy. All right, all right. Agree, disagree. All that note, listen. All we have left to do for the show is what the title says. We're going to rank the top 10 players in the NBA playoff so far. Let's go.

But before we get to that, producer corner, let's kick it over to Nikiel. A live producer. Where you at? Nikil, what do you have for us in producer corner today? For the first time, I'm looking in your eyes while you do it. It's your first time looking at me in my eyes? Continue to talk. I like it better when you didn't say anything.

You've been OD today. I have a feeling we should just meet your mic right now. Would that be a good bit? I have not been OD to get you at it. I brought the energy today. All right. What's good? Listen, I'm ready to 1.3.

I don't care. I'm standing on this. Spirit Airlines is the most over-hated airline by everybody. You know that's not true. You know what deserves the hate. No, it doesn't deserve it. No, yeah, let's go. Come on.

You know what-a-I-I thought I'd get at least one person on my side. You're a clarion and I don't respect you for it. I'm not, no, I'm being. Why is it over-hated? It sounds like you're a routine, traditional spirit writer, and these guys are against it. Oh, wait. What's your story? What's your stance?

I never rode with them before, so I have no opinion of you know. I will, though, next week. Okay, why is, why is spirit over-hated? First off, I'm not even trying to be contrarian, right? I'm being authentic. Okay. I'm not dumb. Like, if a, if it, if a, if a, if a, if a spirit flight is like 150 and like a regular

flight's like 200, I get it, like, you're going to pay for a carry-on. It's just dumb. Yeah. But for the most part, like, if you're getting a value deal, you're getting a value deal. Like, you can complain about, like, the flight attendants, like, just, you know, being kind of whack or, like, the seat's not being that comfortable. They spit on me before. And that's good. I hope you paid extra for that.

You probably had to with spirit. But, like, they're so overhated because they get you from point A to point B. Like, think about it, you're going from, like, you're going from L.A. to Miami for, like, $45. Like, you know how much gas that would take you? $45? All right, Nick, listen. Is your measure of success not dying on the air? airplane? Yes, but also

They're so, okay. Can I, I, I will say this, you and I took a spirit flight from Dallas to L.A. And my seat came apart on the plane. Oh, shit. And when we went from, my cover came off the seat. And when we went, people only have this energy for spirit, because when we went from L.A.

to Dallas, what happened on that Southwest flight? We literally flew in a storm. Bro, I thought we were going to die. That's the only time on the flight. I thought we were going to die. You blame me the Southwest for the weather? Yeah, I am. Yes. Confirmation bias is a motherfucker.

But guess what? My bags flew free and my seat didn't come apart. Yeah, we paid like half a gram for those tickets day of. It was ridiculous. So here's the thing though, where if I was going to side with you, I'm not. If I was going to side with you, I would say since COVID, all these airlines have gone down the fucking drain. No facts. Basic economy thing now where if you want to pay the normal price, you can't change your

price, you can't change your date or time of anything. You had to pay for carry-ons. You don't get a free one. Yeah. Everything is charged just like Spirit. They're jacking their style and doing that for their basic economy. Yeah. Which is awful. So the average level is coming down closer to Spir. I completely agree.

But Spirr still finds a way to be shittier because their seats are made of tires or something because they are so uncomfortable. I flew from Texas to New York once. My back hurt so bad after an hour. The fact that I said it for three more hours, I wanted to die. No, listen, I don't disagree with you on a lot of those stakes. But you get this issue on other airlines, too. Like, I flew United yesterday and there was no charging port. Like, I don't know what that's about.

Hey, so to set up to the airport with your phone charge. It's not like a personal phone. No, that's fine. Okay, and another thing, like... Do you have a portable charge? And I'm going to say this as nice as possible. I've been on several American flights in the past, you know, year. And, you know, my seat isn't only mine.

I'm sharing it's hurting my back. It's more than just a spirit issue. Yeah, I will say the quality of flying right now is really horrible all around. The seats are so cramped. Like, it just feels like they're continuing... We know they're continuing to maximize things and continue to. So it's not just... Spirit. Yeah. But if every experience is shitty and one is the shittiest, I'm not sure it's

overhated when it's called the shittiest. So then why are people, I'm just, I'm just saying it's overhated. That's all I'm saying. It's demonized way too hard. What do you want? People to say it's ass, but not terribly ass? Exactly. Okay, you can have that. It's only kind of ass. Fine. Thank you. You got it. You got it. That's very decent ass. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, very decent ass. I'm not wasting crazy energy trying to delineate between how bad I just, because I said this in a few group chats and people are like, well, if you have to say all that just to justify the price, you do have to say to, like say all that to justify the price. Like, it makes sense. All right, bro. You only, you have to gain. People act like people are too boozy for spirit. I don't know why. I'm, I don't consider myself. It's not. It's not. But I'm too bougie for spirit. And I'm not boozy. The seat thing is valid. I get that. No, it's. Seats are uncomfortable in all. If you are going to nickel and dime me, I at least want a comfortable seat to be nickeled and dime. Now, listen. I have. I, I have. I, I had some decently comfortable seats i'll say on spirit no i'm not my flight back from cancun to no you're dumb ass for that i got first class does that make a difference

first class spirit yeah it was it was they don't have no it was cheaper than the regular flights from with like united what do you get no they don't have a first class i'm telling you they don't hold on hold on stop talking what you get first i don't know yo i never wrote spirit a day in my life but i saw first class cheaper it was like 400 $1,000, I'm like, yo, sign me up right now, because I never reflects my life. I'm going to tell you this right now. We need pictures. We need videos.

I need to know what they are offering in first class in spirit. This is, a.k.a. big front seat. I can enjoy extra leg room, but only an inch more. You want the big front seat? Yeah, I'm telling you there's no first class. Like, there's no like air hostess special. That's what I'm saying. It's either that or I pay even more for a regular seat.

No. And again, I'm not trying to be contra. Like, don't be a dumb ass. Like, don't fight international on Spirit. Like, it was cheaper, bro. What do you mean? I'm sure it was. That's the point.

A lot cheaper. And it was first guy, so I'm like, all right. Let's try it. Like, probably just considered one. You also got to check a big bag. Like, you know, I don't know, man. All right, man, that concludes the Spirit Talk for the day. Hopefully I'm back, though.

Chat, let us know what you think. Let's get to our top 10 players in the NBA playoffs rankings. Now is the time for the thing that you guys all see the title for us, what you're all here for. The top 10 players in the NBA playoffs so far. So we did the top 10. I viewed this as who's been the most impressive. I thought winning's part of it,

but only a little part of it. I really gauge individual performances. So there's some losers on here that are already eliminated. And yeah, it's just who's been the best players? I don't know how you guys waited. Kind of like a kind of combination of both. A lot of the top guys, like I will say, like they are people who have advanced and are still going on right now.

Because they were so good. Exactly. Yeah. I valued individual performance. And of course, you know, you kind of have to, you guys will see a little bit. I interject like, okay, you won, here you go. But it's not as much. Yeah.

So, most. And it'll be different than a regular top 10 in the series, in the regular season. It's just based on the player performance. Yeah. No prior knowledge as if we just watched for the first time. Yeah. Who we start with? With me.

I'm going to Anthony Davis had 10. Wow. Wow. You can name nine players who were better in the number. I had him so much higher than you. It's unbelievable. I have, listen. Unbelievable.

Everybody else advanced another round than AD. And so, like, as great as he was, he only played five games. And so, like, that's why, for me, other people are ahead. But, like, I was debating over, like, whether him or LeBron, Andy Davis was 28 and, like, 16 against Yokic and playing. He had the same battle that Rudy Gobert is going through right now, except. he's scoring 28 points on the opposite end. Do you think I'm crazy having my top five? I won't tell you where he is, but he's teetering.

Maybe, but I can understand the argument, but, listen, Anthony Davis, this entire season, and I want to take every opportunity I get to give Anthony Davis his flowers because I have criticized him, right? I've chastised everything. And he has been, he has been, thank you. He's in his bag, right?

He has, he has been everything that, that I have wanted him to be. He has been as dominant, as healthy, as two-way, all that stuff. So every list for the 23, for the 23-24 season, he will be on every one of my list. I like it. Yeah, I have, like I said, way higher. So I'll save my thoughts, but I'm glad he's on your list at least. So I think he didn't get cut off.

So 10s follow me. He definitely deserves to be on the list for what he's done on a consistent, or what he did in a consistent basis in five games. Yeah. Pretty impressive. It's a hard task to try to keep up with Yolkits and the, the backline defense and focus on all the other different things that he tries to, you know, defer to or whatever, but 10 is like, yeah, I have him higher, not

considerably higher, but 10 is fine considering he only did it in a five games. Maybe I'm a Lakers glazier then because I got him high as fuck. Oh, we know that. You have him at four. He's my highest loser. Okay. I don't see that. He's the, I think he, I did what you guys did with the winning a lot.

He's the one that got the pass for losing because he was so insane. Yeah. I understand that I'm giving him a passing per to everybody else, so maybe that's why. Okay. Ooh. Number 10, I have Kyrie Irving. Really? Look at those great hair showing through for Kyrie.

Is he not on your list? He's sad. He didn't make the list. Kyrie's been great, I think. He hasn't, he's been great not in this math series. Yeah, you're right. What is he done during this math series? He hasn't scored like over 27 or something like that, bro.

He hasn't been great at all. He hasn't lived down. Maybe I should have picked near a loser. Yeah. I was giving him, I know his stats have been great necessarily as of late, especially. I know he's had like 11 points last night. Which is why he's 10, you know. It's why he's 10.

He's not higher. But I think that outside of box score watching, I think he's been very important for what the Mazzam done. Luca hasn't been at his best. And they've been carried by defense. There's also been a lot of moments where Kyrie came extremely clutch, and he's showing his value as a secondary score. And even if it's not always going to be 30-point games,

not going to be hyper-consistent, he's showing his value and how important is to have that release valve as a closer, which now I'm looking, he has been really bad at this OKC series. I think I slept on it. Yeah, for sure. But I will back you up in terms of like he's never been this. good outside of just simply putting the ball in the basket. The defense has been

ridiculous. I will say we're recording this after we did a lot of interviews you'll see next week. I didn't put enough thought into this 10th pick. I think I'll let to change it, but it's too late so we're rocking with it. Kyrie's at 10. That's fine. That's fine. I slept on this. But all the other things that he does right now in the game has been peak Kyrie outside of putting the ball in the basket, which eventually should come. That's true. Yeah, I definitely had Dallas. I had Clippers Kyrie by mine. I'm looking at these, I have both of those box scores. I'm like, oh, he's nine, nine, nine. 12 yeah yeah the first the first nine point game that one was acceptable because he actually was impacting the game a lot even though that he only scored nine points the other ones were like I like bad games but he's still been like impactful yeah and a lot of different ways of the defense and playmaking it's been the best that it's I've ever seen it personally you know let's go ahead I'll take him out I'll put Jason Tatum in a 10 rush you did I put Tatum higher I didn't Jason Tatum is number 10 oh my God you didn't put Tatum in here he's been cheeks and oh my God you have me defending Tatum you motherfucking

set me up you liar who's your 10 my 10 is jalen brown he's been underappreciated fantastic uber efficient from literally ever on the court except for like the corners or whatever um he's been everything you want from your number two option especially when your number one and jason tatum hasn't been living up to you know jason tatum standards so he's been fantastic superb on every single level defense is there he answers every single bell that he has two bro clutch bucket after clutch bucket here and there he's been great okay listen i've i've no i've no arguments with that i think that there's a lot of guys on the celtics that can be on on this list or a couple and yeah i'm with you he he definitely has been like underappreciated and i think

this entire year has been the underappreciated jaylon brian yeah everyone for sure everyone saw the massive contract that he got last last soft season and the fact that he's not like first team all NBA everyone's like oh is it is it worth it like are you is it an overpaid like he's still really good right he's still a really good a really good basketball player so I

rock with this I'm really cool with any Celtic at 10 I don't have a something on my list so I was like throw one in if we're taking Kyrie out on your list you have a something for you have a self to you know this? Yeah well you got Derek White up there let's go to my number nine actually Mo's oh oh okay I see

okay Brown. Yeah, put Tatum in there. Defense has been consistent, of course, and, you know, like, he's Jason Tatum, take tough shots. He's been so much better as of late, help close out really important series, whether it be the Cleveland Cavaliers or the last series against the Miami. He stepped up when needed. Obviously hasn't reached that standard, but it's so hard at time. I can't believe I'm fucking saying this good guy. I'm going to wrap this shit up.

It's hard being a number one option. Jason Tam is Jason Tatum. Cool. I agree Listen Last pot I was like We were talking about him

And how they were disappointing After losing that game Against the Cavs And I was like He gets too much hate I've been defending him for a while And I was like It's kind of crazy that

Before we recorded last week He hasn't scored 30 points Since March And it was like May 12th He proceeded to score 30 points Twice in a row Right after I said that So he answered the call

Yeah Which not to say scoring 30 is everything It's not just If you hit 30 you're good If you don't you're bad But it's cool We're seeing him ramp up a little bit When it's gonna be needed

Going further into the playoffs which is why I put him at my 10 over Kyrie. It's too late, man. You got to keep it in there. I'm doing a lot of prep for interviews, my bad. What's next? At nine, I have LeBron James. Your glorious king.

Wow. I feel like he was LeBron. He was really good. Wasn't, he's old. And we saw that. In the ability, there was times where he looked really good closing out games

and it wasn't super consistent. And some of the player, I think AD played far better. So I have AD a lot higher. And I think the guys above him, either won series or produce higher and had a higher load because they didn't have an Anthony Davis, that I feel like I can't put him higher at the nine. Do you guys have higher? Yeah, I have him higher for sure. I mean, when it comes to-

He's down my list. What? He put up numbers. Wasn't the most impactful at times. He had some really good games where he closed the game and was really going ban for ban with Yokic. Yeah. But it wasn't as consistent as it was in a different LeBron year. And again, he only played five games.

Like, we have, we have guys who have played almost twice as long at this point. So, yeah, I just couldn't put him on my list. Wow. Yeah, so I don't have LeBron at nine. For me, my nine. I'm Derek White. I think, listen. But do you hear yourself, though?

Hold on again. Wait, wait, wait, wait. That Derek White is better. He's the only Celtic here? No. Okay, okay. Like, do you, do you hear these words being said that Derek White has been a better player in LeBron James in playoffs?

Derek White. And can you be fucking for real, is my question. Derek White, in the, Derek White, in the playoffs. Also, once again, you went out in the first round. Yeah, I get, I get it. You're right. He's, he's still here. He's still doing it.

Yeah, Derek White would be out in the first round, too, if he was on a team. So it's like, come on, you know, like, you have to. I mean, listen, if Derek White was on the Lakers, who are you losing? I don't think they win if they even win. They still lose, yeah. I'm not going to lie. Listen, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not even playing. Eric White.

We should have all start him that if he's a difference, he should have been an all-star. I'm looking at him in these playoffs. I'm like, yo, is Derek White an all-star? Is he like, what's how he's playing? Okay. Yo, Derek White is so cool, man. Like, he, I've never heard anyone say that.

Derek White, Derek White does, he does everything that the Celtics need. He's hitting all these big shots in the, in the Miami series. He was turning up. He was scoring 30. He's been who've been in this last, in this last series against the Cavs. And watching him on defense, it's really, really interesting to watch him on defense because you know how with great offensive players, we're like, oh, like, they change paces so well. They like get to their spots.

I feel like Derek White does the same thing on defense, where he is the one who is dictating the action. He feels like, it feels like he's getting to all the spots better. It doesn't even ever feel like he's running. I always feel like he's just gliding to the spot and he just knows where. everybody's going to be he's fantastic i have to have him on on that's fair i talk a lot about who's underrate defense and don't value it evenly when it should be he's been the best defensive guard in the playoffs probably so i'm with you i respect to pick more yeah it's fair there's been

like a few games where he's looked like the best celtic on the court multiple times the first round absolutely to when jason taiton was going through it so i like that derrick white has made this list made an appearance on td3 once again solid who's Next. Eight, I have Joel Embed I feel like we, he seems

disappointing most years because he is. Also part of it is we weigh him to the same standards of the other top three players in the league. We weigh him to

Yokic and Yonis standards. Yes. And he did hit that this year coming off injury. He wasn't as good as that. He was pretty fucking good. And if normally you're the third or fourth

best player in the league and you're hampered by injury and you still perform and have a 50 point game, I feel like 8th is a good way for him to fall down and still recognize that he played well, especially for the normal slander he gets, for going 2.24 every game in the playoffs. Usually, he did better than that. I think he deserves

been the back half of this list. That's very fair. He didn't make my list just because I always feel like my expectations for him are so high. But expectation outside of the window and looking at what he did and what he had to go through half of his face is working only and he's going knees bleeding. He just came off of being out for an extremely long time. I see it, I understand it, and I cannot be upset with him being number eight on this list. Or even make an appearance in general. He had a valiant effort. He had a very courageous series, honestly, to, like you said, to play through everything that he did

and still performed to that level. But he also did Joel and beat stuff, and he fell apart in fourth quarter. So I'm not going to sit here and put him when he lost in the first round as well. And a lot of that is because he wasn't able to continue doing what he was doing for the first three quarters in the fourth quarter. So yeah, I'm not putting him. He's not on my list. I think we're just seeing that it's a pattern that if you're not Nicola Yokic and you're a big man, it's hard to, you need a guard to set you up,

you need a guard to give you the ball. When we know the conditioning thing with him, that it's hard in the fourth quarter after he gassed himself out with no help. We see the same thing with Anthony Davis, who's incredible in the fourth quarters, not as much. It's hard to be a big and dictate a game like that when you're not a guard like Yokic who can be the elite playmaker. Somehow he just goes back to slurping Yokens.

No, I'm just like we, he's a standard out that we look at every big and expect them to do that when. bigs almost never do that unless there are some of the best offensive bigs of all time that's what that's what we were saying about that's what people were saying about joel and bid and they're wrong that he's not one of the best offense big as all time but he's still a superstar that eighth is not very high you know like i think it's fine we were talking about joel and bid winning back to back yeah we were talking i'm not having that combo now i'm having the eighth best player in the playoffs combo i understand that but i do think that

putting joel and bade at eighth is grading him on a curve and it is the opposite it is I think you're grading him on a curve that's holding him to a higher standard when I'm grading him against everybody

on the same level I think he's more impressive than we would think Is he not on is he not on Yoki Janis That's irrelevant What I'm talking about him

That's the standard That's the standard That I would hold them to as well But this list isn't ranking them Relative the expectations It's ranking them relative to Objectivity and how good they compared to everybody else

And he compared to everybody else on the same level If we had no prior conceptions Played well So if if Luca was falling apart in fourth quarters if Yokic was falling apart in fourth quarters you wouldn't feel some type of way

about their production as well and their and their and their shrinking is a massive part of why their team wasn't winning if he didn't fall apart in those fourth quarters then he would have been like three this is lowering him because of that and that's why he fell to eight because it wasn't consistent

and wasn't closing games because if he didn't fall in the fourth quarters they would have won the series and he would have been higher this is a counter for that I think I don't know If we're talking about, like, Luca this series failing. Listen, Luca's not that much higher.

No, I know, I know. I'm with you. Same thing applies to Luca for being hampered. But, like, if you look at Luca and he was fading, you can kind of be like, okay, like, he's going up against Ludo. Like, it's a great defender. Or Yokic. You'd be like, oh, he's going up against four-time DPO Y, Rudy Gobert.

Joel and B played Mitch Robinson for half the series, and then was going up against Precious Ochoa. We know what on one game. The next defense is a team, we know what it can do. Listen, they were playing. plenty of times in the fourth quarter so they were allowing joel and b to go one-on-one where he had the option and he couldn't he couldn't do it i just i don't know i i don't he's not he's not on my list you're right he couldn't do it we have to understand why he couldn't again like he

was dealing with so many injuries and on top of that you think the injuries why he passed up a wide open jumper again if he could do it you're right to about to foul bait like that i like i see i see that i see that and i don't see that as like and i don't and i don't see that as a failure of of his knees rather than, like, you mentally did not want to do that certain thing. I agree with you in terms of just, like, putting him at eight to me, I just, I don't think he belongs on this, although, like, this is the best playoff experience that we've seen him. I agree with that. I agree with that.

At the same time, you know, like, I can name so many, not so many other players, but I just don't believe that he belongs at eight because there's other players who have had more impressive things. But, again, for Joel and Beat standards, like, this is, you know, surprising. that he did. I just think I'm trying to divorce from expectations more so than most people would. And if you can't, you can't. Because he disappoints you every time? Because I'm not ranking best in expectations. I don't know. I'm just at a, he produced at a level that I think is more impressive than most people.

He just is held to a higher standard than most people. That doesn't mean because Derek White hit his standard higher, that's fine. His standard is a lot different and it takes a lot more to do a C plus version of superstar than it does to do an A plus version of role player. It's a lot more difficult. But we know that he is capable. Again, that is not the conversation we're having. But he set the standard for himself. And if he hit that standard, he would be three on this list and that eight. I'm accounting for that.

He shouldn't even be on this list. All right. He shouldn't be on this list. You'll know that these two right here go back and forth in terms of what this list is about. Every time, every time. And then they just dodge each other's context completely. That was next. Oh, next up.

At number eight, I have Luca Donchitz. With how he played last night. he could be like top six really keep it up but you know like last night wasn't the story for the entirety of the playoffs i don't even believe he's shooting 40% from the field just in general yet which is tough now this comes with like you have when you're when you talk about luca donge this postseason you talk about you have to also talk about all the injuries that he's going through last night we were talking about it we saw uh tnc put up a graphic of all his injuries and it was longest fuck he was talking about some sore left Achilles ankle and knee headache

tummy ache, all that, bro, and, like, seeing what he's still be able to do at the hobbled version and giving his 110% when he comes to still, like, throwing up law passes and still playmaking with the way he is and being able to not necessarily get to the rim with efficiency, but get towards the room and make clear passes out to a wide open Tim Hardaway, Jr. or a PJ Washington who's been absolutely snapping, like, even a 60% version of Luca Dungeons that were we're getting is still like one of the best players in the entire NBA and it shows he's defending his ass off trying really hard the playmaking is still there he's dictating the flow of the game he just can't score the same level as he used to right now and it's you could say that people

are overplaying the injuries but we we have a large sample size of what playoff loop which looks like and we know this isn't that and I don't think he's just having the coldest streak of all time or he fell off I think it's just it's the injuries I think I agree I agree okay yeah it's cool next up I've taited him I've taken him at eight. I think he should be on this list, but I definitely think that he should be in the back half. Yeah.

His opening series wasn't fantastic, scoring-wise, against Miami, but he still did do a lot of really good things in terms of his playmaking and his defense. And the way that he closed out the Cleveland series is part of the reason why he is at eight for me. Because, like Isaac said, we were talking about him not scoring 30, right,

not being aggressive, not really being efficient. and to come out and score 30 twice and then even last night have nearly a triple double 25, 10, and 9. That right there, to close out that series, that's massive for Jason Tatum. And if the Celtics are going to do, if they're going to win the title,

which they have expectations of, Jason Tatum needs to be in that sort of attack mode. He needs to be that aggressive. He needs to be this player that for the entire year, the Celtics were trying to put him in MVP conversations. He needs to be that level of player. and over the last three games I feel like he's done that.

He's in the luxury of not needing to go crazy but when you see the nuggets or you see the Timberwolves or you see the Mavs even the Thunder for that matter he needs to be really good so it's nice to see him start to ramp up

and you know again it's not as simple as when he scores a lot of points he's bad I'm good when he doesn't score points he's bad there's a lot of context we know we've seen a lot of double teams they're taking them out

there's a reason he scored lower at different types of the postseason but they're going to need him to negate that and find a way to be able to score regardless exactly I like this placement It's fine to me I like it

Next up Seven I'm D Mitch I got him higher too I got a liar too I got a liar I got a lot of you got him higher I have him higher That's okay

I mean we We talked about the calves And part of the reason Why Cleveland would pick Donovan Mitchell is because He is a flamethrowers Because he is a playoff riser

He has the ability To take over games And put offenses on his back And even when Darius Garland is playing some of the worst basketball of his career. Yeah. When Jared Allen is out, when Evan Mowgli is trying to figure out where he's at offensively, Donovan Mitchell's like, okay, you guys can worry about that in the summer.

But like for right now, we are going to, we're going to turn up. I'm going to turn up. And in the series against the magic, going up against their defense, going up against Jalen Suggs, right, who is insanely physical, great, great defender, and to still be able to do the things that he did. they were down 18 right they were down 18 and donovan mitchell was like okay it's time for me to be donovan mitchell yeah he's had so many moments this uh this playoffs where he rose to the occasion and that lands him at seven after all that listen we got we got people up top who are winning

and who are doing crazy things so i don't know if there's six players who have genuinely had been better than donovan mitchell so far this postseason i think that's so tough to say i should i'll see i'll see i'll see six i think there's probably just a lot of good players so maybe true we'll see uh i gotta see the argument first but okay who's next oh seven i got antony davis i wanted to put him a lot higher but then again like he just played five games and when you play such a sort of amount of time that allows you to you know you look stellar you look still in that short amount of time if he was able to advance at the second round he might be fucking number one or some shit like that uh also the monitor went off yeah we know but i'm gonna

continue um seeing what he does what he did compared to the past season all the all the what's the what's the word that i'm thinking of what volatility volatility yeah i heard that be in there i heard you i was ready to come out yeah i was gonna say velocity and i was like bro what the fuck not that one not that one the other view yeah volatility what's his name um stephen a smith was like you know they they they were cooking him because he couldn't put up 30 points a night on a consistent basis. You were cooking him specifically. Call him Day to Day Davis. Yeah, exactly. He wasn't.

But to see him go ahead and do what he does, that earned the list for me. That earned him seven for me. Yeah. Yeah, I got him higher, but closer to where you have and then where Daven has him, I think it's hard to understand how good he was as a two-way player and how well he matched up with what Nicole Yokes brought production-wise.

The second he went out of the game, every single time the lead would just somehow expand. Yolkutks didn't have to even be on the core, bro. They rely on him so much on his defense and the deterrence that he just provides

on every single angle. All right. My number seven, Luca Donchich. For all the reasons you guys outlined, normally in a normal year, he'd be much higher,

but we know that he's had a slow year in the postseason for all the injury reasons. But like I said, still, he won one of those games against OKC with his defense. He locked up at the end of the game

when they got their second win, I believe. And yeah, he's been dictating the flow with the game, passing well, making up for, he's aware that his shot

isn't falling and he's making up for it in other ways, which I think is the main thing you have to ask for when a star is going through what he's going through. Okay. Nice. I like it.

There you go. We're in locks. Let's fly through this. At number six. LeBron James. Oh, what's your pick now? Yeah. Number six, I got LeBron James.

Higher than Anthony Davis. I, you know, maybe it is my sunshine going ahead and take it away from me. Being completely honest with you. But having LeBron James at number six ahead of AD, isn't that crazy to me? Because LeBron on a consistent basis, he controlled the entire flow of the game. The second that he does go out as well, the same thing applies. Everything just turns into pure mayhem.

And they rely on the Delos and Austin Reeds of the world, which, like, you know, great players and all other stuff, but they cannot go ahead and keep up with what the Denver Nuggets had to offer unless Abrams doing his thing. He was absolutely snapping into it because it's a basic thing. Okay. What's the next pick? But we can fly through his top five.

At six, I have Donovan Mitchell. I like it. I think we talked about before. He's been one of the best offensive players in this whole entire. our playoff run, scoring elite level. This team has been down bad. We talked about early in the pot. They're falling apart for all the reasons we outlined.

He's been the glue holding him together. It's been shining despite the weaknesses coming up we needed. Earlier in this postseason we talked about playoff the Mitchell for years ago was incredible. We didn't see him in a couple years. It kind of was like, oh God,

a couple embarrassing losses in a row. Hope he doesn't go outside again this year. I guess the magic goes like, oh my God, is it going to happen again? Yeah. He pulled it out in the end and showed up in the second run series and did his thing and showed that he still is

that elite scored. can still be the building block of a truly elite team. Again, with Donovan said being down 18 and then bringing your team back in the second half, crazy as hell to me, man. I like that. They're about to kick us out of this room. We got to go quick.

We got to fly through his top five. The ops are knocking on the door. They want us out of here. It's crazy. They don't mess with content. Real quick. My number six, Josh Hart. Oh, my God.

Josh Hart. Yo, kick us out right now. Ladies and gentlemen. Let's fuck that. Kick him out. Who else? Come on. Listen, Josh Hart is playing 48 minutes a night.

48 minutes a night He's shooting 41% from three He's six Built to ass He's six four Before we started this Before we started this You described this list

As you know Who's been the most impressive There is a very short list Of people who have been more impressive Than what Josh Hart is doing For him to be at his size Averaging nearly 13 rebounds a game Nearly three offensive rebounds a game

Josh Hart is out here rising to a role player level that we rarely, rarely see and he has been one of the most impressive players in the league. Make that sound again? Stop that. Make that sound?

Don't you dare. Fuck, no. 48 minutes a night. Give me your hand. It's not even shining anymore. It's glistening in the sun. Let's talk about it. This is our time.

Tradition. It's dripping wet. Shame on you. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame, shame, shame, shame. Nick's fans, you are the worst of all over that.

If anybody, Nick Hill, I promise you, if anybody else, let Trey Young play 40 minutes and I was like, oh my God, he's battling through so much. Let LeBron play 37 minutes a night because his old self can't play more than 36 before he gets her. Let anybody play major minutes. It would be, oh my God, da-da-da-da-da-a-ah. Yo, Josh Hart has been as impressive as anybody in these. playoffs. And if you tell me otherwise, then you're lying on Josh Hart to name. I've just realized that you're a man of emotion. As a Knicks fan, come on. I respect it. If Austin Reeves was out

here putting the team on his back making it, I might be like he's God. And I respect it. I love Josh Hart. You're not going to get me to say a bad word about it. I'll just say the bad word about you and that's a Knicks fan. 44 minutes a night he's averaging. He's playing the guys. Listen, I love Josh Hart. I'll respect. You can have it. Come on. Why did you cut out? We have to, we have to be real about what we're seeing from him. This is crazy. Josh Hart has been better than Donovan Mitchell's what you're saying.

Do you see my list? So what are you saying? That's what I'm saying. I say we move on. Let him have it. That's what I'm saying. I say, Gok, who's next number five?

Okay, we see our next one. At five, I have Shea Gildes Alexander. Okay. He's no Josh Hart, but he's pretty good at basketball. Nice. And he has a skim's deal. And he also, he is a director

of Converse. Good for him. He's just pretty. there you go that too i suppose who's next me donovan mitchell number five unstoppable itself for all the reasons that we said we can move on at five at my five five shay as well look at us and lock them at least you think he's better than josh hard there we go

he has been i respect it he has been i agree come on we just we're lying on joshart i love physical well you know look at him put hartnstein on this list heartstein's been going crazy that's a good bit you should put them all I should have made it all nix. I don't want to do it. What's next?

Am I next? Four, I have Luca. Fair. Luca, even as bad as poorly as he's shooting, his defense has elevated. He's still throwing 75-foot lobs. That was ridiculous. He's throwing lobs from the opposite free throw line

and it's on point. His passing is still amazing. And he's still knocking down clutch shots. Like, he's still able to close the game out and really, really put teams away. Luca is a top five play. After last night. And I'm cool with that.

If you want to put him higher, I respect it. I was trying to think of totality and the whole series has been meh. But he wins games. He pulls it out. Exactly. I can't be mad at it. He's Luca. I wouldn't put him this high because of the entirety of the playoffs, but that also comes

with injury. Entry going based off of how impressive, it still, it is impressive, like, how impactful he is and how he still looks like at a lot of times the best player on the court. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Next up. At four, Moe has mystery.

Or a man. I have Shago's Alexander. Yeah. Through OKC's inconsistencies, he's been the remaining consistency. Okay. Got to. What a good way to play. Yeah.

He is Mr. Consistent. That's what he said. He said, listen, my whole life is consistent. Yeah. That's 31. Oh, my God. Bro, that's a bar of the year.

We talked about it, right? OKC's and up and down. The shooters haven't been shooters. Your second star has been a second star. Both J. Dubbs in the back. Oh. There you go.

Shout out. Shout out of missing consistency. Who's next? at four of Anthony Davis Oh shit This guy Was See at least the guy

I put up higher Is a star Right Yeah Let's go Shame Shame shame shame shame shame shame Damn

This man to kill Join in I'm going to cut your mic cord He defended Rurdygo Jokic As well as anybody can Nobody's gonna stop him He did better job

Ridicobair I guess Not expecting him to slow him down the offensive level we saw from him in this series we haven't seen from him since the title and if we saw that level every year like you said Mr. Day to Day Davis wasn't around we'd be talking about him as a much different player because he played at an outrageous level

and the way we talk about like a Luke in the regular season or a Shea like he just gave him credit for carrying his team offensively of being basic consistency when nobody else on hit shots that's him defensively we don't realize that he is carrying his legger's defense in the same way that Gobert was in the Utah Jazz days who they surround him with much of offensive talent

and it's like listen the big guy got us the big guy got them because when he's not on the court their offensive rating flies through the roof it is horrible he's asked to guard everybody on the court

plug a million holes a lot of times it doesn't work and this team fails because of it in this series it was working when he was on the court he was defending his ass off

we say it every year they play the nuggets so well the most impressive sweeps of all time yada yada it's because they win the minutes

he's on the court not win but they keep up and defend well when he's on the court and this year the offensive firepower came along with it

we were talking talking about Yokic at the end of the series as like, oh, maybe we were like crazy saying he's a decent defender because Anthony Davis just fried the living fuck out of him. He was, he went ban for man with Yokish in a way that mostly would don't expose him defensively in that way. And he still lost. Damn. Team sucks

ass. What can I say? I didn't put awesome Reeves in this bitch. I didn't put DELO in this bitch. Like, what can I say? The team's terrible, but he showed he's one of the best two-way players in the league. All right. Top three. Let's go. I have Jaylon Brunson at three. What can I say? This man does not know how to sit down on the side of the court. He makes

every shot he takes he never rest he is relentless he is inevitable he is thanos he's just amazing the fact that he has been this good as a second round pick that eventually became a starter and it was the team believed in him to be this guy and he continues to destroy every ceiling we put on him when we rank our best players in the league in the summer i don't even know where to put him because what he can do to have this kind of stamina and ability to defend and defeat any coverage that comes against him what how good is he what's his ceiling i don't know I'm, listen, I'm going to save my, I'm going to save my Jayland talk.

Oh, you got to do about this guy at one. Let's, let's, who's next? Oh, me three. Yeah, I agree with you for all the same reasons. He is bulletproof. He's Iron Man quite literally, uh, offensively. Can't do nothing about it. Let's move on.

Three. I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I'm okay with that. Yeah. I think Ant has, I think Ant's peak in this playoffs has been unlike, you know, any other that we've seen, Like, he's really reached levels that has gone crazy. But he has had some stinkers. Okay. And his stinkers have been bad.

So I have Anthony Edwards at three. I'm okay with that. My two and three was obviously him in Brunson. I went with Ant at two, spoiler because of defense. Same. But I respect Brunson being higher. Yeah, exactly. What he's been able to do on defense and offense, chasing Jamal Murray around,

all that stuff. Hella, hella impresses me on both ends. Okay. Well, spoiler alert. I have Jalen Brunton at two, which means that, and we'll talk about our one, but, yeah, Jalen Brunson at two, love it, listen, for everybody, for the Knicks to be as down bad as they are, and once again, it just doesn't matter because Jalen Brunson is going to find a way to score points towards the end of games to come back on a sore foot and score 20 in the second half, like all these things.

He's been fantastic, he's put the team on his back. So that's amazing. And so if that is our two and three, let me tell all of us have to have Nicole Eoki-Jam. one. Yep, that simple, bro. We all have to have Nicola Yokic at one. He is reaching all, he already is at all time levels with MVPs and all that stuff. Performances every single night is, he's frying DPO-wise, right? He is leading a team that without their second best player, it looked like they were about to get swept. And when Yokic says, I'm going to do something, I'm just going to put the team

on my back. Nobody's stopping this seven foot, 280 pound guy. He's climbing up all-time ladders as it is. Simply put, swipe man is different and he continues to be done. different. It's crazy. He is that guy and I guess it's time to wrap it up. What time is it? It is TikTok time. That was so loud. Let's get into it, bro. Transition. Welcome to TikTok time in Chicago. I think today we start with list. You know, we just finished ranking our top 10 players in the playoffs. Interesting list. We're going to start with Mo giving us another top 10, his top 10 players with aura in the league. You know, it's been a big popular talking point, especially with you, your aura man, Who do you think it's sexy?

Tell us. It's called it like it is. That's what this list is. I don't know what that is. But the people wanted it. Y'all wanted it. I tried my best of former list and I want you two to go ahead

and judge me on how well, poor, or great I did. Okay. I have a feeling you did it horrible. Okay, first of all, calling back to the last time we talked about ORA. Is that I might have bought on your list?

Fuck no. For those of don't know, we rank the hottest players in the league. with we did not rank we drafted we drafted the highest players in the league with Soho Brody of the broadcast boys and Donovan picked Bam out of bio I thought I was getting value yeah you tanked my team come great values Walmart brand yeah we didn't we didn't discuss we didn't have a GM meeting before yeah clearly I didn't know what we were okay Mo start from the bottom number 10 who was your top

point all right number 10 my top 10 oralist is Nicole Yolkitch and number 10 number 10 number 10 Okay. Or in different ways, all right? He influences many by the masses who look just like him. He inspires all the unathletic people in the world. He belongs on this. And every list in NBA history. So he belongs here.

Number nine. I'm not sure Nicole Yolich has aura, but I'll let you rock because he's my guy. If it's the offseason, okay, if we see Nicola Yolkich seven foot riding a horse, that's kind of cool. Like, I can see the argument for him getting up there. It's a nonchalantness about him. That's just like, all right, I kind of rock with this guy. You know?

I can get that. Okay. Fair enough. Number nine, Kevin Durant. That picture is crazy. Does he have on draws in this picture? Is this just straight jeans? Got the V cut out?

I don't know what. Oh my goodness. He's looking at me like he's going to tell me his darkest secrets, bro. What is this? Oh, my goodness. Diesel jeans. This is not what I mean by ORA. When I think a KD, ORA, I think about a 6-9 demon who's influenced the masses.

The KD, what, sevens or fours? That's what I think about right now. I will say, I'm going to let you cook, but your list is off to a stupendously awful start. Listen, let's get to the... We cook him for being ashy and having ground beef hair. Come on now. Top 10? Listen.

This looks like a mixtape cover. Are you fucking with me? All the skinny kids in America relates to him. I believe you fucking with me. I'm singing with him right. I think you're playing with us. Please go to number eight. Number eight, Paul George.

Okay. Yeah. Now those pictures are crazy. Never seen that one. Okay, that's crazy. I can't show this. Why would you include this? People back home are not going to see this

They don't need to see Just know that Paul George When it comes to aura The crossovers The dunks His hairline Yo everyone He's an influence for everyone, bro

Podcasting Really really steps up your aura It's a PR machine You got a podcast People hear your voice And they're like This is my guy But all right okay

I respect this pig more than I do the previous two So we can keep pushing All right number seven Make a note for me to cut that out Number seven, Trey Young. Now listen, 2021, Trey Young in the first round against New York Knicks. You've seen that clip where some New York Knicks player bumped into his shoulder.

He's like, hey, it ain't none. Oh my God, you ain't never seen no 6-1 light skin dude. Dude, none like that before in your life. Special. I'm learning something about you. You love podcasters. That's fine. I'm not going to lie though.

He is right. 2021, everything post-21, Trey Young. throw that out the window. But if we are stopping at 2021, the Migos were coming to the game. He had the ice tray. He was doing this. Atlanta was popping.

I'll give him that. I will give him that. What year is it? 2024. Think about the old days. The old days. Okay. You're right.

That was just a couple summers ago. Let's relax. All right, all right. Number six, Steph Curry. Again, why would you put this? That's out. Oh, my God.

Wait, I just wanted to defend myself. I went through those bookmarks. That's not even funny. To be fair, to be fair, this is on their Instagram. It's going to get as demonetized. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. All right, number six.

Steph Curry is a very respectful pick for an aura list. A man of much aura. One of the most love players in the league. Now your list is making sense. Okay. Just go to five. Just go to five. Just go to five.

All right. Just go to five. Number, okay. So I was six, five, Kyrie Irving. Okay. I thought you wanted to have Kyrie higher I thought Kyrie was very high in the Oriol list The most skilled player of all time?

He's the most skills for sure But there's more to skill When you're talking about ORA You know? Yeah I would say skill doesn't matter at all in ORA So I agree I wouldn't go that far, right? Different conversations

What is it? The sage? No, it's not knocking him now It's not about him It's about what people above him have No one of him have. No one of Maxine no more. Okay

So at number four We got Jami rant okay i respect that you listen you gotta type what the what do you mean by that just keep going just keep let's explain yourself explain yourself listen influential he looks cool of course look at the color in his dreads you like i don't like tattoos i don't have no tattoos i don't want no tattoos all right but you just looks good with him but you like seeing them no i don't like seeing him okay keep going continue all right number three i need my theory to be my sunshine lebron james what could i say

Here we go, tattoos. That's all right. I get it. I respect it. Yeah, I mean, greatest player of all time, done a lot of things that we'll probably never see

ever before in NBA history, row. What can I say? You said gertes player? Why are we doing this? Turn your mic off. Please. Next player.

Number two, Anthony Edwards. Okay. Let's talk about it, man. That makes sense. The king of the aura right now. Yeah. I have a feeling I know who's number one

because if this is number two, there can only be one oar man is better than him. You will not. You will not. be right about number one. I won't be? You will not. Because number one,

Shaygo goes to Alexander again. Never saw that coming. Wow. What can I say? Skim deal. What other NBA player has is skim deals? He's also the director

or converse. We've seen the Shundies. We knew this was coming. And he's a 30 point per game score. 31. Okay, that picture right there. Look at this. It's not me.

It's a deep fake. Come on now. Fake as hell. Look at me. I'm not even smiling in that picture. I know always smile. No, because you're, listen, you're serious.

When it comes to your Sundays, you don't play. What the fuck are Shundies? No, that's not me. Shea undies. No. Shondies? Shandis?

You put the A in there? No. H.G. Undies? No. Sugundies? I like that. Call H.R. I like that.

I'm getting harassed. I love it. Well, there we go. There's your oral list. The back end of it was horrific, but you redeemed yourself in the top seven. What do you think? Top five is good. Your back seven is just, who do you think is sex?

see. So, what? Yeah. I think my list is great. Thank God it's not up to you guys. It's up to them. Okay. All right. We'll see what I say. Okay. Okay. Okay. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to play the imposter game in person. We never done it in person. So we would be able to see each other, see who's lying.

Nikil texts us all in name playing the imposter game. You know how it guys works. if you're at home there's three of us here obviously two of us are going to be texted in name we're going to know the NBA player we've been talked about third guy won't have the name and it's up to them to try to lie

and pretend they do while we all take turns saying traits about the player until we can figure out who the imposter is okay let's go ahead and do it I'm waiting for that text need my text to come through

yeah we're waiting for it it's interesting to see it in person because it's always been remote and we can only understand so much about each other's lying skills in person though we can see who's lying mannerisms you know, how off you blink, if he's sweating or not.

We'll see what type of lie you guys are. Okay. Everybody texts out? Yeah. Everybody got their text? Yeah, sir. Cool. So, you guys know how it works?

Two of us know the NBA player. One of us doesn't. We've got to figure out who the imposter is. We'll do in this order. Me first, going all the way through. Highly skilled. Nice handle. Black.

Fair assumption. Thank you. Athletic. Nice wingspan. Okay Typical trait of an athlete But I hear you Signature haircut

Signature haircut Signature haircut Okay A known partner Known partner Like dating Okay Gotcha

Okay cool Nice facial hair Hmm Interesting I'm gonna flag that I keep a mental note Exactly It's noticing

You know what Simple Simple, okay Like to the point I understand that Yeah Not loved Not loved

Not loved Choos and words carefully I didn't say hated Okay Cool I can shoot Hmm Oh I see it all on your face

one on my face. The lie. The lie. I see the lie on your face. It's okay. We'll keep going. Let's strike two. I have my suspicions.

Okay. Be wrong. Let's see. Solid passer. Okay. Solid defender. Okay. Versible.

Okay. I can't listen. I'm not incorrect. That doesn't confirm my suspicion. Nor denial. So we'll keep going. Uh, he'd be wrong.

running around. Like he's pock? No, not like he's pot. Like, actually on the floor. Like, he runs a lot. Yeah. He moves with this game. As an intense rival.

Intense rival. Um, it's a good way to put it. Let's go ahead and say, such a ho-ass-o. Hey, fucking most of the imposture. Exactly. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

If I get this name right, you win. I win. Yes. So with that being said, he runs around a lot, cool hair or whatever. He's black. Nice. Come on. Is this?

You don't know. John Morant? No, sir. This is Devin Booker. His partner, he's not with that girl anymore. So you know about you famously known partner? I knew it was Devin Booker. No, you didn't.

No, you didn't. that's the end of that just get one round in real quick yeah it's facial hair too so I was right about that yeah I mean not famous facial hair not particularly nice facial hair but it's there

it's cool you don't know you didn't know next thing we're gonna do I'm gonna say an NBA team's name and I want you describe that team in one word okay are we talking like franchise

or like this year of the team franchise franchise okay yeah the franchise and say one word then you can expound on it but first give me you one single word for this team.

Okay. First up, the Los Angeles Lakers. Spoiled. Brats. I was going to say entitled. Yeah. Just Spain. Yeah?

Hollywood? Yeah. Just Hollywood. Like, they get a lot of passes just because they're the Lakers, just because celebrities show up at the games. It's a nice rooting for the winners. Right. Everybody.

Winning team? They won one playoff game in two years. You're not even from L.A. How many chips your team? They've won one playoff game. One playoff game in two years. How many things your team have? See, the thing about the old days.

Then the old days. Of 2020? We were talking about 2021. What do you mean? With championships, you have a decade to glow to our championship. You don't have a decade. I got four years at least. You call 2021 the old days.

2020. About ORA. About a championship? You get a window to glow about a championship. When you won a bulk of your championships, me and you, we could run around the streets freely like that. Without being bad.

So those. All those chips are relaxed, where you really got three. All right, next team. The Washington Wizards. Fail. Pain. Irrelevant. Yeah.

Agony. Listen, these guys, it's crazy. In our lifetimes, the Wizards have never had one season where they won 50 games. You know, I got a better word, malpractice. The shit they done, giving Bradley Beal a no-trade clause, just malpractice. Just when I think of them and everything they do, I'm just like, why? two words two words and you know exactly what they are money laundering what they do is criminal everything they do bro like like the jerseys i'm just like why decided to move to virginia and then

that getting like vetoed why you know exactly everything is that can't even move around the way that they want tough next team the timber wolves rising rising tragic tragic I would say up and coming. Oh, messy. There's some drama there. Their ownership situation is messy. I think being a Timber Wills fan is probably depressing. They have so little problems for so many years.

They finally get something good. They might look damn near get reverse swept by the Nuggets soon. We'll see how the game ends tonight. I don't know. They, so much loss over the years and so little to point to to make up for it. That's true, but not a lot of players, not a lot of teams can say, oh, wow. Like, we have one of the 25 greatest players of all time. Yeah, well, not a lot of teams can say we have one of the biggest losing droughts of all time

to make the playoffs, and they can. Let's not talk about that. Not a lot of teams to say they tell you. But they have Andy Flynn over Steph Curry. Let's not talk about that. Yeah, that's tough. You want to talk tragic. I can't think of much more tragic than that.

But Anthony Edwards is here to save the day. Yeah, exactly. He helps go ahead and put a bandage over all those wounds. Yeah, like Orioles all wounds. Exactly. Oriel's all wounds. He's number two in the league. The other show today.

Goes a long way. number two in the league wow okay keep going next team according to his list that's true the Miami heat consistent oh you meant aura okay yeah the Miami heat consistent

grind grind grind I was gonna say witchcraft yeah witchcraft they have no right being as good as they are they have some deals with the devil going on it's because they run towards the grind you know what I'm saying like they're the type of people who when they get paid they give money back just to make it harder right just to say that

We got it out the month. Every time Pat Riley goes to get fast food was a Panda Express and they said you want to round up. They donate $2 to so-and-so. Yes. Donate four. Exactly. Exactly.

All right. Next team. The Los Angeles Clippers. Who? Good job. Good job. Irrelevant. Little brother.

That's what I was going to say. I was going to say little brother. Yeah. Secondary. Yeah. Not them. They just formed their identity back in what, like 2011? 2012, 2013, and their identity

is nothing but disappointment, betrayal, and just straight up being frauds. Fraze is a good way to ever wear it. We'll stick with that. Let's stick with frauds. Next team. Toronto Raptors. One hit wonder.

That's what it feels like. Chip on their shoulder. These motherfuckers are insecure about their place in the NBA landscape and their fans will let you hear about it. Their fans are insane. They're like bottom three worst fans in the NBA. No, they're great fans. No, they're good.

They're great fans, but they're insecure fans because they know nobody cares about them because they're in Toronto. And they'll let you know about it. And that's what makes them bottom three in my mind. They're just annoying. It's like relax. But hey, they're right or die. Shout out of them, I guess. Kauai.

Nice. That's the, the Toronto Raptors, their history, even before Kauai, like, they are on the map. And we kind of do respect them now because of Kaui Leder, not because of anything else that they've done. Another word? Oveehoe. They've done jerseys. Oh, they got it. You're right.

You're right. They got it. I'll go with Oveehoe. Darry. Next one. The New York Knicks. Mecca. Annoying.

Arrogance. They think everything's about them. Almost as bad as the Lakers. Anytime somebody writes a bad piece about them, they're Knicks for Clicks. Maybe there's criticism. It's always Knicks for Clicks. Because it is Knicks for Clicks.

You know. Is it Knicks for Clicks? Or are we talking about Julius Randall choking the playoffs every year? There's always something that's real and not Knicks for Clicks. We were 15 and 67 people were still Couldn't get our name out their mouth

I like punching down Exactly Knicks for clicks Gargle gargle gargle We're done That's the last one okay What we got next Okay next thing up

I'm gonna name two NBA teams currently And I want you guys to make their best combined Starting five possible Okay So we did this couple weeks ago Yeah I try to do it with like straight positions The comments on the shorts and TikToks did not fucking understand that.

They're like, why don't you put so-and-so here? I'm like, they're trying to make it harder and it didn't go over well. So let's just do it free flow. You can make whatever roster you want with only starters, though, no bench players. See, we are trying to be the Miami Heat. We're trying to run towards the grind. Y'all can't read. Y'all can't read.

It's like they can't put two and two together. It's that comprehension. If you say, why isn't so. They weren't doing an AR test. Why do you think? Why else? Do you think we forgot about Jason Tatum? No.

It's TikTok brain, man. Yeah, I'm yelling at a literal to all everyone. I mean to the kids Stupid First off, the Timberwolves and the Lakers Okay, point guard We're going Dilo and Mike Conley Mike Conley

More stable, more consistent He's not going to pop off and give you 8 threes, but at the same time he's not going to pop off And give you like six turnovers and go scoreless That's fair. Okay, I like that Two, obviously, Anthony Edwards Yep, yeah Okay, three, LeBron

No, James. me Daniels? Oh, you want to sign up? No, I'm kidding. LeBron James. Okay. Power forward. Where do we want to play Anthony Davis?

Would we rather have, do you, okay, let's go center first. Do you want Gobert there or Anthony Davis there? Put Rudy. You want A.D. and Gobert? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's the best defense in the entire NBA with those two alone.

Spacing's pretty terrible. Fuck the other four players. I think I don't have a cat in AD, Loki. No. J. Rudy's Jamie and Daniels in AD. I was, listen, let's put McDaniels, Bronn A.D., or Brown McDaniels, A.D., whichever one. In a playoff setting, I want Anthony Davis down low.

I don't want him playing power forward. If I'm going to do that, I need spacing next to him. I'd rather have Jamie Daniels next to Braun than Cat. The spacing of AD is nasty now. I did forget about that. He's not shooting threes at all. Hey, Conley, Aunt McDaniels, LeBron A.D. is filthy. I think I like that lineup.

I like it more. Damn, Rudy. But the fit wise, I got to go to Big Daniels. Damn, Rudy. I try to fend for him, too. Listen, if he can get some buckets, maybe he could be on this team. I'm sorry. We got Rudy on defense and cat on offense and the same player in AD.

I think that's pretty simple. Come on. Okay. Next team. The Warriors and the Thunder. Now, this is off-rip. Already some static. Steph or Shea.

Low-key both. I think Shay can play shooting guard. I think a big problem in the Mab series is he might low-key be a shooting guard trying to pass too much. I kind of think him and Steph would work. Okay. You just made life so much easier So Steph

Then there's Shay At three Pretty obvious Like JDub Or sorry Ooh hold on No it's not obvious No it's Jdub

It's J-Dub If Wiggins If Wiggins was 2022 Wiggins Maybe it would be a conversation But he forgot I play basketball So put J-Dub at the 4

Yeah Oh wait No No No Yeah Jada at the 3 Oh Oh

Then you got Dremont and Chette Thank you Ugh That's filthy Thank you That team will win A championship

That team I win 73 games That team is perfect 74 75 People still I won't go 76

That's too much Don't try me I'll say 77 like that I know you would You had to stop Look at that one's easy This team is perfect That's incredible

All right Next up The Sons and the Celtics Okay Point guard Derek White Yeah We'll go Derek White

Yeah We'll go Derek White Yeah Naturally Three Kevin Durant for Jason Tatum you're looking to me crazy

do you want to put Jay Brown over Kevin Ray? No, I'm just asking I'm just I just want to know what direction we were going in we got to both those wings Jaylon Brown, I'm sorry

I mean unless you want to put Devin Booker at point guard and Jaylen Brown and shooting guards. That's disgusting. Oh my God. That's so gross.

De White has to start. Neither of these teams. Listen, both of these teams need playmaking. We are not going to ruin the one chance we have of getting a point guard to these players.

You say playmaking and that's why Al Horford is a starting center. Over Porzingis? Yeah. Prozingis. Okay, well, no. Buddy. Let me stop. I hear you. I see you. I feel you. He's a no. He had a good game.

He had a good game yesterday. I understand you try and give him props. Poisingisengis is better. Prozingis is not giving you four or five, six assists on a random night, bro. I don't need him to. How hoarfer it is. Go stand in the corner and be gigantic. Let all these elite players cook. If Katie and Booker had that's amazing. I voted. I voted. That right there is just perfect sell. seems at that point right there.

That right there is just like the Boston Celtics at their peak with Al Horford. All right. So Derek White, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, Jason Tatum,

Christopheus. Correct. With Alhorfer coming off the bench. Sorry, Jalen Brown. You're off the team. Really, I'm mad about Sam Houser, boy. Don't get me start on

Grayson Allen's basing. Payton Pritchard? The 76s and the Nuggets. Point guard. Can we go Max? Jamal Murray. Give me the more proven, dude. Let's say this is the NBA Finals, so.

Listen, we're going to position this. Nicole Yoakich, point guard. Joel and beat at the five. Let's go. We'll book in this like crazy. Now, if it's the NBA finals, it could be both, really. It's kind of small, isn't it?

No, Jamal Murray's not small. He's like 6, 4, 6.5. Okay, let's go Maxie at the 2. We've seen Maxie play the 2 next to Hardin, so that's fine. Jamal Murray and Maxie both starting. We need defense. We need defense bad. So the three,

Do we go MPJ? He's large. I'd rather go KCP. Then you're tiny with those three guards. You are, but MPJ... He didn't defend well this year. That is true. But, okay, the real question is,

so we'll put in MB and Yokin's at the four and the five. Are we? That's why I'm asking. Are we leaving one of them off? Nah. Because if we are, and we're putting Aaron Gorman, in Yolkich at the four and the five, then I can understand putting MPJ

at the three. If we just want to say the Nuggets front court and then Maxie and Jamal, which is just the Nuggets plus Tyrese Maxie? All right, fuck it, whatever. I would rather not see Nicole Yolkis play Power Forward. That'll be sloppy. All right. Nuggets plus Tyrese Maxie. There we go. Damn KCP. We got it. I'm sorry.

The best player robbed. Yeah. Next put next team. The Cavs and the Hawks. This ass. How we go mid on mid? Your center is, well, Jared Allen, cool. Yeah, Jared Allen at, yeah, Jared Allen at center. Listen, we can keep pairing him and mobile together if you want.

No, Jalen Johnson takes that for sure. Okay, Jaylon Johnson has the four. The three, man, this seems Max Drus? I'd rather have Max Drus's shooting over the inconsistencies of Diannard. Okay, Max Truce is the three. Donovan Mitchell with the two. Point guard. Trey Young's a better player

So let's just make it easy And just pick it Can you go Dejante? Fuck no I'm just kidding Let's go Tray Young I'm joking You love that

This team sucks ass still But we can go with it This is the same team It's a little bit better Two percent better It's just the best version Of both teams What they think they look like

This team is so mid Yeah And that's the last one What we got left One more Maybe two more You know about a month ago We did a video

where me and Donovan listed off random players until you can guess what category we're listening from Yeah We tried to get the two of us Didn't go quite as well We're doing it again with you

We'll put you on the hot seat Let's go. We're right here in the middle And we're going to have We and Donovan Are going to go back and forth Shout numbers at you I'm shouting numbers at you

I'm shouting players Okay You got to guess what they're from Let's go ahead and do it You ready? Let's lock the fuck in Let's go There we go

We're going to name random players Until you can guess the category Let's put these pieces together Austin Reeves White I didn't even hesitate Grecian Allen Grayson White

Okay Let's keep on going James Hardin Okay Jada McDaniels Jayden James Hardin Tyrease Maxey

Jada McDaniels is like 28th Tyrese Maxie is a lottery pick James Hardin What the hell Okay keep on going Tracy McGrady Oh shit

What is this Dejante Murray Keep on going Clint Capella Clint Capella Where's number 15 Victor Webenyama

Wembe's number like Julius Randall Jalen Brunson Oh what does Julius

Randall and Clintapella and Jalen Brunson have to do with each other Sir Wendell Carter

Jr. Got you in a fucking blender Chris Paul No have they all wore a specific number

in their lifetime Nope DM Fox Deeran Fox Yes Have they all been on streams before I'm gonna do you a favor

Charles Barkley Oh shit Uh Damn Yo the James Harden Charles Dana McDaniels These are no hands Austin DeRiego bare hands

These are just randoms Car Anthony Towns The Big Purr What the fuck does you have to do With Jada McDaniels Paul George The same team Larry Markinin

Has they been on podcast before maybe that's not what we're talking about I'm not wrong but damn it I'm not right you're not even not right come now lock in lock in Jason Tatum

they've all scored 35 points in an NBA game before don't you throw on the white flag up yet listen we're going to say two more names and I need a final guess you get one last chance all right let's do it give him something easy

don't know the old name something that should make it simple all right you go for you get your turn John Stockton I hate that guy. It just killed everything for me.

James Harder had something to do with John Stockton. Come on the list now. Put the pieces together. Oh, nasty man. Oh, shit. You have one guess or you lose. I'm on the hot seat right now. The hottest of seats.

Are you a winner or a loser? And I lose. You said John Stockton and nasty man. Fate of the universe on the line with it. Austin Reeve does two. Two. One, I'm cooked. These are players with no titles, no rings.

Come on, man. Oh, shit. You're a failure to your fans. This guy. I was not locked in. Damn. I'm just going to leave. And guys, that's the end of the episode.

If you're still here, comment, Mo failed me. Fuck! Get him out of here. He's done. It's over.