The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The BEST Players In The NBA! | Ep. 17

Episode Date: December 29, 2022

The NBA has so much star talent, so today we ranked the best 30 players in the NBA! #nba #podcast Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagtam!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ I saac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg M uhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So obviously we do a ton of videos where we kind of compare players and rank them against each other. So I figured today is a perfect day to finally make it clear where we stand on every player in the league, or at least the best ones, and we're going to rank our top 30 players in the NBA. Yeah. This one was tough. This one was so tough. Tough as hell. There's so much talent in the league. And like going from 9 to 13, right, going from like outside the top 10, you always feel like you're leaving somebody out.

Yeah. This is tough. I can't wait to see our list, though. It's going to be fire. This just shows that, like, how talented the NBA is today. And I feel like over the last three or four years, you've been constantly saying, yo, this is the most talented the league has ever had.

And, like, the year following, it always gets topped. Just because so much improvement, so many, like, young elite players or stuff. And in the NBA. Even outside of the top tier, like, I think the most top tier loaded we've seen is, like, 2017 or so back when we had, like, Harden, Curry, KD, LeBron, all could be like the best player in the league. But the problem with this year is that there's so many young players that made a big leap,

so much has changed in your list this year. Like if you do it the past four years, it's all been kind of the same. But now there's all these young guards specifically. So it'll be tough. I can't wait to see what you guys think. Before we get into it, we always forget to do this. If you're watching on YouTube, do us a favor, drop a like, subscribe, help the video get seen by more people.

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Let's do it. Let's get into it. I think we should start with the back half, or specifically the back third. Okay. So we can go one by one. Let's list out are 21 through 30. I'll go first. The number 30, I have Carl Anthony Towns.

Okay. He was, the hardest debate for me was putting him or Deer and Fox. So Deer & Fox is my first cut. He didn't make the list. Wow. We'll get into a reason. It was tough. Okay.

Crazy. Yeah. So I got a hat at 30, Gobert at 29, Ingram at 28, Garland at 27, Demarta Rosen at 26, Bam out of bio at 25, Drew Holiday at 24, James Hardin at 23, which is nuts, Jalen Brown at 22, and Tyrese Halliburton at 21. Okay. Wow.

Okay. That's a lot to unpack right there. There's some similarities, some differences already. Read out here, and then I'm going to go piece off piece. I'm very interested. Why I cut Deeran Fox? Yeah. So, yeah, it came down to him versus Kat.

And my gut, I'm like so anti-Cat naturally that I wanted to be like, oh, I don't want this big who can't defend and do all this. But at the end of the day, I think Deeran is just more normal. You know what I mean? There's like a lot of guards these days. His value above the rest of the comfortable starters isn't as high. Like, he's a very good, relatively high volume score. He's at 23 points per game right now on solid efficiency. but it's not amazing efficiency

he's not an amazing passer he's not so good he's amazing inside he's one of the like his numbers inside are fucking ridiculous for sure but there's a lot of other parts of the court

where his score range is average I mean and I think at the end of the day cat the matchup nightmares he creates where fives are too slow to guard him fours are too small to guard him I think I'm trying to

I didn't let myself get biased by the fact that they suck this year because they stupidly put him next to another center I think if you adequately build around both of them there's a little bit higher of a ceiling around cat uh yeah I think

I just don't like I argue against that because I think your ceiling is automatically maxed out, capped when you have a center who is basically you know what he is on defense Yeah, yeah, for sure What if you put a really good four next film

like Draymond Green or Jared Vanderbilt Like they had, you saw they had some success last year Like you can find pieces around him to make up for those And if you can make up with that big Yeah, but we're talking about him as a player Not talking about like these what if things We're talking about him, you know? Sure, but you got to account for when you're kind of about value

You got to think about like using them correctly You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. true. I just like guards a lot better who are easier to build around and play next to and you don't need all these extra specific pieces next to them.

Same thing, you can say you need certain pieces around Darren Fox to help amplify his game but like Darren Fox is going to do what he does best at the end of the day and if you can, if you put a non-shooter next to him, Sherry, he's still going to get his buckets off, but it's not going to be to the same effect and you can say the same thing about quarantine

towns and what is happening right now in Minnesota. I disagree with that. I that like you put two yeah it's tough i'm not mad at obviously players in the minnesota timbrel who are not even 500 right now and the sacramento king's bean team they're like what top six in the western conference if i'm not light the beam that's crazy as hell yeah that's just it's all about fit it's all about fit like i have gobert 29 cat at 30 like individually they're both great together i didn't let myself get biased by the fact they look like shit together put them apart and build around them properly they're both really good players yes that's fair that's fair wait okay that's not

career. It kind of is. It kind of is because I like and I won't go into my list right now, but like I can understand the logic for having Fox like kind of outside the top 30. He's 31 so it's like I mean you put him at 30 is fine. They're clearly similar. The top of that range. So you had so who'd you have at 21? I had Tyrese Halliburton 21. Okay. So these next four five names or were so hard for me. Okay. Tyrese Halliburton at 21. Jalen Brown at 22. James Harden at 23 Drew at 24 and Bam at 25

Wow Okay Okay I'm cool with I'm cool with all of those I'm cool with all of those I think Hmm

I think for Tyrese A lot of it is like We just kind of see The greatness already And I think like Even though that the sample size Has been really really small In terms of like just this year

Taking that leap It's very clear Like none of the things that he's doing are Unsustainable, yeah. Yeah, none of them are like, oh, he's just playing crazy right now. They're all things of like building blocks of, oh, this is why, this is why. People are going to say I'm overreacting, putting him higher. Like people are going to hate that Jalen Brown is behind him because Jalen Brown has a bag,

average is a lot of points. And, you know, people don't watch the Pacers. They don't really see what Tyrese is doing. But Tyrese is leading league and assists. He's probably like the fourth or fifth best passer alive. He has a 60% true shooting percentage on 20 points per game. So he's like elite of the elite score. already not the volume that some of these other guys are at but like still 20 points per game on

elite shooting and clearly he's like they're winning games like the faces are surprisingly good because of him and the offensive engine he is like i can't i want to put him higher honestly yeah i'm cool i'm cool with all of that your your list makes sense to me no no honestly no complaints how do you guys feel about the deros in placement at 26 because that one was one and what people are going to hate too uh i mean i'm fine with that i don't have any crazy gripe against it. I mean, De Mardi Roses is doing De Mardotero's and things, but, like, are you letting some of the Bulls, he's not having any good as good of the season as last year, but I wonder if, like, if the Bulls being asked had any decision with that, too.

I think it's the opposite. I think last year, him being so good, remarkably better than he's ever been, kind of had too much of impact in people's mind and made him think he was better than he is. And I feel like now he's just being regular to Mardarosen, right? Like, I think last year was kind of an anomaly in terms of shot making. Yeah. listen he goes i i think i think you're right and to be honest i haven't ranked at the exact same spot he's he's 26 for me he's he's 26 for me it's just like there was a lot of stuff like we never saw demar act the way that he was hacked in last year he was crazy last year scoring scoring 35 every night on 50 60 percent shooting is just ridiculous all these game winners

the whole bulls run from last year they were not supposed to be good last like as good as they where I think the Bulls team that we're seeing this year is more indicative of the talent that they have around them. This is kind of what I thought they were going to look like at the start of last season. They had a lot of non-defenders, weird fits, and obviously, like, Lanzo's injury has hurt everything. Zach Levine's knees are falling off the bone and everything. But, like, damn. Yeah.

I mean, they are. But yeah, DeRosen, he's solid. He's a, he's a 2K guy, and he can go get Bucketwoods with him. Exactly. Exactly. I don't think most of people realize just how bad a defender he is because he's big. He doesn't scream bad defender, but like he don't be doing shit out there. He just stands around. Like he does not have any type of presence on defense.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me hear one of your guys is get the next person going. All right, I'll go. I can go. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Sounds like you're just similar to Ivy. Yeah, okay.

So at 30, yeah, so we'll go 30 up. Yeah, go backwards. Okay. So at 30, I have Brandon Ingram. At 29, 29, I have Cat, 28, I have Gobert, 27, I have Deeran Fox, 26, I have DeMarre Rosen, 25, I have Jalen Brown, 24, I have James Hardin, 23, I have Darius Garland. At 22, I have Bam, and at 21, I have Kyrie.

Oh, so you have no Drew Holiday? No, I don't. Damn. I don't. I feel like I was too low on Drew Holiday, but, you're... And that's one of, Drew Holliday is going to be one of the ones at the turn that, that, that gets, like, left off. But, and it's like, it's like, I felt like this at every single of like the 1920, 9, 10,

where I'm like, like, they should be top, like, they should be top 10, they should be top 20, this and that. Yeah. And it's just not going to happen. But yeah, that's, that's my list. Okay. So explain, explain Deeran over Drew Holiday to me. Okay.

I think that, I think that with Deeran Foxes, improved shooting this year I think he adds a lot more and there's some stuff with with Drew I see him and he's a fantastic defender he can he can he can he can distribute the ball well offensively whenever he scores and I feel like every time I watch him he's so erratic in terms of his his scoring and his shooting and there's some nights where Drew Holiday as in like inconsistent yeah yeah there's some nights with Drew Holiday is going to be 11 of 13 and he's going to have this really good game and then there's other times where I'm going to turn on and he's going to be two for 15 and I don't

and I don't think that I get that variance on the offense event in terms of scoring with the Aaron and so I think that I think that that matters a lot I think that de Aaron being one on his team instead of Drew being 2.5 I guess two yeah that that that that also him and Chris are pretty similar just different roles yeah but like that that adds some value for de erin for me chris is somebody we should mention we both left off he was another person with de erin fox who was like in that 31 32 range he just didn't quite make it want to make sure we give him a little bit of flowers he's in this range yeah and it's it's also weird because we haven't seen that much of chris this year yeah because of injury but like when he's healthy i i've he's one of the

reasons why i picked the bucks to win the championship is because i thought that his ability to score and space the floor and also playmate is going to help the bucks uh a great deal but yeah so that that's why i would have dearen over drew gosh what else stood out to you mo uh where where is de errant on your list de erin's at 27 he's over he's over gobert he's over cat he's over brandon ingram oh no we should do so we can look at this send your 10 you just name send it in the group chat so we can like read him as you talk okay and i'll send mine too got one other thing i you said you had brandon ingram at 30 and cat at 27 or 28 or

maybe it's 29 what's the logic behind cat above ingram that stooks out like great okay I think as listen y'all wait let me let me send this list over to you guys yeah but my okay cool you guys that cat ingram's hard to rank right now because some people ingram's kind of divisive right now some people view him as like maybe he's pushing number 2019 so so having him as low as 30 is interesting to me I think that I think that cat offensively is just much more more talents. I think he's a better offensive player than Brandon Ingram. I think he can have no problem with it. I think he can space the floor much more than than Brandon Ingram. I think

that for me, my biggest criticism of Kat has been more on the mental side, more on the defensive side. But Brandon, but offensively, there's not a lot that he can't do. And like you said, it's not his fault that they paired him with the worst person that you would want to pair him with. And so he's looked, he's looked very pedestrian this year but if you look at everything that he had that he was doing coming into this year you know he has the whole thing he's like i'm the greatest shooting big man of all time i don't agree with that but he has a claim because he's like that sure you know and so he's a he's a very he can score at volume he can he can do all that and brandon still hasn't gotten to that level of high volume scoring that cat has is that but he can't though because

yeah it's just he's playing with because yeah it's just he's playing with then you're, I think you're at this point. Even last, even last year, whenever Zion's not, yeah, even last year, whenever Zion's not there, he doesn't get to 24, 20, like a bad offensive season for Kat is still right now, the peak for Ingram. And Ingram may very, he may very well get there. He just hasn't done it yet. And so that's why I'm taking Kat right there.

Okay, so my thing. Yeah, so my thing is, Isaac, can you read to the viewers? Can you tell them what, like, how we're shaping out our top 30 in like the criteria used. Good. I probably should have said this earlier. You're right. So we're going to view this as this season, but not just this season.

Picture it like if we've been doing this for years. There's like power rankings that change as you go, but it's not just based off the last 25 games that have been made this year. It's also accounting for what was done before. So we know we have some idea of sample size in there. So we're constantly moving it with a big emphasis on this season, but not solely the season, if that makes sense. Yeah, exactly.

And a little bit of this is placed on. like future projections and just a little bit of expectations. Exactly. Yeah. And I expect someone like Brandon Ingram to go ahead and eventually go crazy. Not maybe not like within these next

20 to 30 games, but maybe towards the back half of the season. So because the Pelicans have so much to fucking work on. They're fucking elite all right. They're not elite. No, no, they are elite. They're absolutely elite. That's the top of the conference. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm going to put them in the final. When I think of a

I'm like this dude, this team can win the finals and I'm damn we're already there for that. We'll say this for next episode, but pretty soon we're going to be talking about them like that. Yeah, exactly. So like, I just don't see the logic for Kat behind Brennan but you know, I

can't be too mad at there. I understand it for sure. Maybe it's just me being shown down on cat. Maybe just me being shown down on cat. Listen, I think it's safe to say that we're not a pro cat podcast. Right? To put it lightly. Yeah, so, like, it was something that I definitely was thinking about, and I wanted him to, I didn't want to put him there. But he's a really freaking good player.

Yeah. So I think the thing for me, why I put it? Because obviously I have him close to you. I think I had Ingram at 28, Cat and 30. For me, it's, I mentioned how in the best case scenario you have this version of Cat you can build around that is like elite on offense and you can really do some interesting stuff with if you hide his defense. But there's nothing that you have to hide with Ingram. He's not a great defender, but he's like a fine defender, I think, at this point, and he fits into so many different ways of style of play. Like, we talk about Paul George a lot as being the most perfect portable star that you can put next to other stars and he elevates you.

I think Ingram's in that mold where he fits next to other players really well now that his outside shooting is so good. He is not quite the shooter of PG, not quite the defender of PG, not quite the playmaker of PG, so he's a worse version of that. But I think that same logic makes him have more value, if that makes sense. Like just that role as a wing can create his own shot and play next to other stars is extremely valuable. Yeah, I think if you're making, and like, I'm not even trying, I'm not even trying to be disrespectful. But if you're trying to make, like, a 2K build, Brandon Ingram is like what you want. Yeah, exactly. But, like, what has actually happened with him, we've seen the best of Brandon Ingram for stretches, right?

We saw it in the playoffs for that stretch. We saw it at the end of last season, even during his time with the Lakers. We saw stretches of him where he's, like, doing all this. I just haven't seen it consistently enough to where I'm going to put him over somebody that has the offensive calendar. fair of cat yeah it is easy to get caught up with the negative of cat and forget that like we have seen him at his peak be considered much higher than 30 know what I mean yeah yeah so is there anything else that stands out from no I think I think your list is pretty straight you have garland pretty high which I wanted from there too but I think when you look at the numbers this year he's actually

like not shooting nearly as well as you would think for his caliber of like what you see when you watch him play he'd look so electric off the dribble he's actually like not that efficient I think like a 56% true shooting percentage which is like that's like 42 or something like that from the field so yeah garland garland's the one garland's the one that i probably did the most like projecting forward i really like i really like derries garland so i put i put him a lot higher so i noticed that tiris hallamarin is in here so you put tyrese over kairi which i like i'll wait let's wait until we get there but i was tempted to do the same thing i have them very close together but we'll see where you put tyrese i'm excited all right so now it's

my time to go ahead and put my last your time to shine. And I'm going to go ahead and enter this in the group chat. All right. And I'm ready to get shot up, right? You know, I feel like my list is very different from y'all's and I'm going to go ahead and read this out of view. So at 30, I have Drew a holiday.

At 29, I have Dejante Murray. At 28, you know, projecting for the future. I have Lemello Ball. 27, I have, yeah, I'm sorry. Okay, okay. Just for the viewers. Keep going on any of this list, all right? Oh, yeah, good mention.

We're not kind of in Kauai because he hasn't played all year last year and better to play this year. So we're going to wait until we see what it looks like. Exactly. And I was supposed to do this. We're all supposed to basically do the same thing with Lamello Ball, but I was like, fuck all that shit. I'm from Lamella on that bitch. So Lamello 28, DeNor Fox 27, Bama, 26. 25 is Darius Garland, 24, Tyrese Halliburton.

And I'm a huge Tyrese All right. So this is just for now. Anyways. You're just saying that. Anthony Edwards, 22. You don't mean that. 23 Anthony Edwards 22 tomorrow and 21

is Dale Brown Okay Well first thing you gotta get into Anthony Edwards Because that's obviously you have him high as fuck We didn't put him top 30 Yeah Anthony Edwards over the last few games Since Cat has been out Has it been spectacular but he's been a lot better

And I think he's been He's been figuring out how to play With a center like Rudy Gaubert I think the chemistry is starting to grow and build A lot better compared to how it started and I'm projecting into the future a little bit, of course. I don't think the Timberwolves are going to be a sub-500 team. I think that's what they are right now.

And I expect us to be around that fucking 42-3, 43, 45, whatever the case may be. And I just think that Anthony Edwards, his potential is still... This isn't less of potential, though. It has a little... Some of the qualifications for this is based on just a little bit of it, not a lot. Okay, I guess. So based off of what he did last year in the fact, as well, hella impressive.

And I, it was before, I should have mentioned this, but cat in the playoffs as well, that's why, like, I didn't have him on this list. That's fair. If you, counting playoff performance makes much more sense than, like, purely potential, so I understand that. I don't know. I feel like at this point, he's not an above average passer. He, people want to say he's going to be this great defender. He's still just, he's a solid defender.

He's not bad anyway. He can contribute to a good defense, but he's not, like, overtly impactful. And his scoring is, like, there. His self-creation is impressive. But it's not quite put together to the point where it's, like, dominant and, like, as efficient as you need from someone in that role. Like, he's just barely above league average efficiency or the 56% true shooting. Like, I don't see how he's above some of the other names on this list. Like, how is he better than James Harden?

You know what I mean? That is true. James Hardin is when he comes to efficiency is in the same, or in the same range or maybe a little bit worse. Is James Hardin on your list? Oh, she's not. He's not on this part. He's not on this part. He's on this part.

Oh, okay. He's higher? Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, good, good. So, what stands out to me and one of the biggest discrepancies that I've seen, of course, is the whole Anthony Edwards thing. And then I would say, I think it's also the fact that is not on the list.

That's what I was going to say. I think the fact that Dejante Murray is on this list. And I think the fact that Jalen Brown is at 21. And I know for you, you probably were trying to push Jalen Brown a little bit higher. Is that right? I was trying to push him a little bit higher just to give him fires for how well he's been playing

he's averaging like fucking 27 points per game yeah he's been great this year so he's been fucking bawling and like I know that like if I'm taking peak players this is not about a peak list right now just about like top 30 based off of what we've seen in the past

and also like where we feel like they're going to end up and then in the at the end of the season and when it comes to just this right now I'm definitely taking Dylan Brown over every single one of these dudes that we have under them. Yeah, that's fair. Okay.

So, to me, I feel like a big litmus test is Anthony Edwards versus Tyrese Halliburton. I know they're close together, so you probably view them similarly. I'm taking Tyrese over Ant easily. And I'm surprised you don't because I know you value passing a lot. Yeah, I definitely do value passing a lot. And my thing is that I feel like Anthony Edwards can get there. Tyrese Halliburton is basically already there. What have you seen from Ant that makes you think he can be a great playmaker?

I feel like we haven't seen a single bit of that. I've seen potential. So I've seen the growth ever since Kat has been out of the lineup so far. I haven't watched them enough lately, so maybe. But to the level, but to the level of Tyre, but to the, no, hell no, not to the level. It's the all-around packages and just the ability to be like, fuck it, go get me a bucket. And that his scoring ability will separate to Tyrus Cat, Albert. I believe that anti-Aroids will be able to go ahead and be at a not great level of a pastor, but just an all-right pastor.

Yeah. And a slightly above average passer compared to Tyreys Halliburton and him being a fucking 25 point per game score. I don't think that's in a scene. Do you consider Anthony Edwards a better score than Tyrese Halliburton right now? Right now, I, right now I would say so. I see, I see why you say. It depends what you value, but I would say so, yeah. Okay.

A lot of you would say that, because it's built and the type of player he is. But if you look at it, 23 on average efficiency or 20 on elite efficiency. So it's like. But it's also important about how they get their buckets, though. True. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what, that's what separates it to me. And I feel like.

I feel like Tyrese, he has a limit on how he fucking scores because of how he shoots. That's the main thing. He's not getting his buckets in a variety of ways compared to how someone like Anthony Edwards is. What was the variety of ways that do you think separates him? Is it creation at the rim? Is that the difference to you? It's create. Yeah, you could say creation.

That's a perfect example. But creation at the rim is a fucking way example. But also just be simple because of how he shoots. His shot is amazing. But there's just certain moves that he cannot. do they're just like what like what and also like what what what what shots can't what's holding tyrie's back yeah what shots what shots can't he make that anthony edwards can make well one of the things or is even able to take i guess in your i assume you're talking about

mid-range stuff because he doesn't quite have that footwork that's kind of not where he likes to live is that what you mean yeah things like that there's certain things that are missing part of the game where i'm like this dude is elite but i don't know if he can be the elite he can't be the elite he's already really with how he's playing. I know what you mean, but I think that's just, I think what that is what a lot of people do kind of fall into like a visual bias and the archetypes of player we've come to expect

is where you see Anthony Edwards and he's an athletic two guard that can dunk and finish the rim and shoot off the dribble. You kind of like view him in that package that a lot of former stars have been. And then Tyrese looks funky. You know, he doesn't shoot mid-ranges this year. Like he went from 41% of his shots

being mid-last year to 26, so like he's not shooting them at all. Instead he's just shooting from above the break threes and at the rim. And you can say that's rigid, but I think it's like my choice, you know what I mean? And I think in terms of impact, it isn't as versatile as you're saying, like for Ant, which I understand. But I don't think it's out of an ability. I think it's like just style of play, you know what I mean? Yeah.

No, yeah. Well, I don't know. I don't know because even in college, fucking Tyrese didn't get to the rim like that. He's in his first couple years in the league. He, I think it average like one free throw a game. The fuck is that shit, bro. It's only three now. Like, it is stuff.

It's three meta game. Yeah, exactly. But if he ever figures that part of the game, then okay, you know, he, and if he figures that part of the game and also Anthony Edwards doesn't end up getting there and doesn't project how I think he's going to project you, then okay, you got it, you know. But I'm not, I'm not, I'd be willing to bet my last dollar. The Anthony Edwards would be, we'll end up as a better player. You're going to be broke. You go to be broke. I'm willing to do that.

I'm willing to do that. Okay. Another close. I get it. I see the vision with, you're weighing potential more than we all. I think we're kind of like We're not really weighing potential And do it

Which has the difference And if that's the case sure Prior to the season If you would have asked us To make a list of what we assume it'll be We would have put Anthony Edwards higher He just hasn't really like Put it together

And the way he's struggling With the team construction Is like a flaw I think of his Yeah But I'm looking at his fucking Playoff stats dog He shot he had 25 on 45% He was great

No it was nice He was nice as fuck And I'm just like Yeah When it comes to young players I'm projecting a little bit more. I'm projecting a little bit more and taking a little bit more

and taking a little bit more and take a little bit more from the past. Okay, I understand. Anyway, I don't think we could probably move on to the next 10. I don't see anything

terribly crazy about the rest of your list. Obviously, Lamella ball's on our list. I don't think he should be. Yeah, whatever. He just dropped 27 on the fucking Hawks so I was like,

yeah, this dude needs to be dark. I think that game literally put him on my list, so I was reached for that one. And Dejonte Murray's on there that's just hawks bias. Like, Johnta Murray is very good,

but like, He's not better than Drew Holiday. I'm not going there. He put up better numbers last year because he's higher usage, but I think Drew's a better defender, and that's the main thing that Dejante is great at.

I guess he's a better passer than Drew. He's a better defender and passion and just, I think, overall score, but I mean, you know, Drew has chagued. I give Drew's flowers. I'm not going to the nail with that. Drew is solidified.

Yeah. Maybe I would have been more inclined to put Murray higher if he was on a team where he wasn't being minimized next to Trey, if I would have felt like we could see it again. Maybe that sample would have got me, so I don't hate it.

All right. Let's get to this next one. I'm curious. We spent a lot of time on the back 10. Let's move on. That's the most. This part is going to be very fun because we're going to get the cutoffs from the top 10, and this is the one where it's going to feel, it's going to feel disrespectful

whenever we're talking about the 11th best player in the league. Exactly. This feels like the most serious conversation we've had right now. I know. It's so serious and not lose. I was thinking that. bro this list was hard to make hard as fun i honestly didn't have like a great time making this list because i just felt a terrible time i felt so bad like leaving people stressed

i was putting myself to all these mental exercises is trying to like what does value mean yeah yeah what is impact people know his basketball philosophy book for this thing that's what i got to do yeah this list got real existential tracks okay here's my next 10 at 20 i have Kyrie Irving 19 Tray Young 18 Pascal Seacum 17 Zion Williamson

16, wait might read this right I'm not looking at the numbers I forgot I lost my place Yeah okay 16 Shea Gilges Alexander 15 Donovan Mitchell Fuck

14 Jimmy Butler 13 Devon Booker 12 Damian Lillard and 11 Paul George Okay Okay okay This was hard I hated this

I put myself through hell Placing Tyrese Shegilder Alexander Trey Young and Kyrie was incredibly difficult like there's so much around Kyrie how do you weigh that I ended up throwing him at 20 bro I forgot to throw in

I literally had Shay on my list and then I bro I did Shay I left Shay out on my list bro I have to Oh dumb ass Yeah That's funny Okay so go ahead and think about that You're obviously gonna knock number 30 off

So Drew Hollidays off the list for you Good and think about where you're gonna put Shay Okay I'm looking at At your list right now Isaac what's the argument for Paul George over Dane? Yeah, I think they're incredibly close. I don't really have a great one if you want to flip them. Dame could be 10 through 12.

I wouldn't argue. I think what it is for Paul George is what I described earlier where he's just the perfect star to play next to other stars. And I think portability next to stars is the most important thing for being at this top tier because a lot of players can be the number one guy in a team and lead you to a solid, you know, manageable offense. That's very doable in the modern NBA.

not a lot of guards have the ability to play next to other ones and still thrive. Like, Trey Young's at number 19 right now because we're seeing him and DeJante Murray struggle together. Not really his fault was that DeJante's a shit fit with him, I think. But you kind of see why Trey isn't as conducive to play next to other stars because he needs a ball on his hands. Paul George has never been that guy.

He produces at the highest level, great efficiency, great on-ball defense, can shoot, is portable next to other guys, and he is not needy in any way. Okay. There's just a lot of value there. that's fair that's fair I think defense is the main thing

it separates those two I think okay sounds good I'm happy that you gave Jimmy Butler his respect yeah I mean originally I had him over Devin Booker because I felt obligated to because people want to tell me that Jimmy Butler is Superman

but I end up playing Devin Booker above him because I just think Devin Booker's better I think Devin Booker's a better off-ball player he's better with the ball in his hands obviously he's not as good of a defender I think he's more consistent especially in the regular season which matters people seem to think it doesn't but it matters to lead to seeding and wins

and I would easily pick him. I think the most interesting thing on your list right now is Zion over Seacom. Yeah, it was hard. I think that's the one for me where I'm looking at it. Really? Why is that? Why are you looking at it like sideways? Because Seacom's really good.

Seacom's two-time. He's two-time all-M-B-A. And like Chris. Seahom's him. Yeah. Yeah, so I didn't, I'm not passionate about that. Like, do you want to flip him, go ahead, especially because Seacom's like a notice will be a better defender right now. I think with Zahn, the thing is that

I'm reducing recency bias right now with Zion, but because I think it's very replicable and it's going to be who he is going in the future, we're seeing him the last like two weeks scoring 30, 35, 32, like every night just being an elite high volume score because he's finally putting it together on how to use his rim volume

to also be a better playmaker and leverage that for create outside shots for his teammates and his defense is getting better. I just think we're starting to see him put it together that it's kind of like with Tyrese Halliburton. I'm willing to be one of the early ones on putting him up higher rather than waiting a long time and making him prove it to me, I'm ready

to say this to who he is. Listen, that's cool because, again, I kind of did the same thing with Zion. I did, listen, I did a lot of protecting with Zion. So I'm not mad at it. I just think that pairing and seeing those two names next to each other is really interesting.

And also, Seacom's great because he's this great off ball defender. He can beat his helpside guy and a versatile on ball defender. He can, he's just passing has been great this year. even with seven assists and he can create lots of shots off the dribble but he's not as efficient as a score as you would think so like if he was like a really high level score then he'd be like oh this guy's got to be like damn number 10 yeah but because he's a good shot creator for himself not a not great i'm willing to put him below zion who i think shot creation for his for him is

just way more impactful yeah i think the shay love is is very it's very interesting um seeing seeing she over trey young right now i like i don't know i know that i know that tray is having a down season and the fit hasn't been fantastic i do think that tray's ability to to pass and score at a high level is it's it's it's fantastic it's it's it's like he's the next tier of tyrese you know and and i agree i don't hate that if you want to put tray higher go ahead like before the season i was like tray young might be the third best point guard in the league i've kind of calmed down a little bit just because i feel like I was ignoring things with him

that I don't ignore with other people. Like what? I was giving him an excuse for his defense and like, oh, his offense is so good, it doesn't matter, but like, when you're looking at him next to Shea, she is just as efficient of a high volume score.

They're both, well, Tray is like 27 point per game guy. SGA's a legitimate 30 point per game guy on elite of elite efficiency. And he's not the passer he is, but he's so pretty good passer. You know, like six and a half assists per game. Like, he's not like tunnel vision.

And the fact that he is, at least average, perhaps above average, as a defender, to the point where you compare that to Trey Young and what he brings on that end, I think it's a bigger gap than anything on offenses. Okay. She's great on defense. I'm just surprised because, like, you don't think,

again, this is a little bit of projection. You don't think that Trey will eventually turn the corner and go on. No, why do you? Why do you think Trey will be a good defender ever? No, no, no. Did I say defense? I didn't make sense. Oh, my bad.

My bad. I didn't let you finish. Go ahead. No. Do you think he'll, do you think he'll turn? in the corner eventually and going on a fucking random ass hot streak and get that offense that efficiency up will that be enough for you to yeah so i'm not counting his offense this year

he's currently shooting 28% from three we all fucking know tray young doesn't shoot 28% from three it's just a cold streak i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that even if he shoots how he does last year he's back to being this like elite dynamo in offense i'm still taking she over him wow that's crazy for now it's tough it's tough it's tough i know it's tough i just think that the way she scores and he's not He's playoff proof, I think. You know what we've seen in the past, Tray Young get dick slapped by the Miami Heeks. Yeah, but kind of like, the way he plays is more susceptible to counters. You can kind of do certain things, trapping him on screens to take away his scoring because he's not really scoring at the rim like that.

I think Shea has a type of scoring that you can't really scheme out because he makes tough shots at the rim. He's physically imposing. You can't do anything about that. I just think in a, especially in a playoff setting, I'd rather have his archetype player. Okay. That makes sense. I had I had tray a little bit I guess like for for me whenever I was doing this list Trey's ranking dropped a little bit from what I thought he was in my head kind of for the same

for the same for the same for the same reason of we like you say he got he got locked up by the by the by the he I'm not I'm not going to say that but like yeah he got he got he got he got clamped and I think that I think that like how much does playoff success mean for you guys on this list it's a good question you go first month I think playoff success for these young guys It means something, but it doesn't mean a hell of a lot It just gives you an extra cool point And it confirms all the thoughts that I already had about you

But it doesn't weigh as much as For other people, for me personally Yeah, I think people have a bad habit of using playoff success And really just like outcome in general As a huge source of bias Where if the player they kind of feel iffy about wins Then oh good But if they loses and it's a reason to be like

Like, oh, I told you he's trash. So we hold too heavily to these. Like a lot, like people with Jason Tatum last year in the finals, like, oh, he's a choker, Jalen Brown might be better. All that bullshit is stupid. So I try to make sure I don't, I don't try to like use playoff success as like the decision maker because a lot of people do that and it's just bad analysis. But I think in this case you use it as like a tiebreaker.

Not even a tiebreaker. Use it contextually and you see what you learn from it. I think with Tray Young specifically against the heat, we learned that there's ways to throw bodies at him and throw him off his rhythm where his lack of size he can't pass up those double teams as well and that kind of you know schematically you can take him out of the game that way I think we learn that you can do that so until he can overcome that that's something that matters in the playoffs but it's not just the fact that he shot

10% from the field or whatever it's how it happened and I think you learn things that way yeah absolutely and this for the views like specifically really applies for young players I'm not clinging on to no first or second year thing like for some like Jimmy brother he deserves that type of respect because you already know what it is and you know who he is you know who he is you know it's already proven you have to get that respect for guys like train young and fucking poor rose you want to throw in that category like i'm not going to put too much into their too much argument of my argument it's not going to be any anything with playoffs row went

crazy during the 2021 playoffs but i'm i will never mention that at all when it comes how do you guys feel about donovan metro versus devon booker i've always thought devon booker has always been better like his entire career that i i can understand the the vision and why people say those things but i just feel like i don't know i don't know it's tough i was really tempted to be much above him he's snapping this season but also devon booger doing the exact same thing to a better to probably even a better degree so yeah don't crazy de mitch has has surprised me and i think you guys are going to see that in my ranking but he surprised me this year because i think in in utah after after they started to flame out like two

three times like you start looking at them and it's like okay are you just this high are you just this like high usage volume score and like you're the main you're the main guy and basically like the only guy who could really really create your shot on on your team are you just a product of that but his transition over to cleveland and being able to run you know basically run point whenever dari's garland is out and show his playmaking skills like that be able to score at probably one of the highest levels that he's had in his entire career and really mesh over and Isaac you talking about PG's ability to to mesh in and out of of systems de Mitch was able to show that for me this year so I actually I have him I have him fairly high on my list

he showed me a lot he's been great I mean he's averaging 30 on 62% true shooting like that's a ridiculous volume and efficiency combination like I think this year he's might have been better than Jim than Devin Booker but because of what I know about Devin Booker I'm giving him the benefit for the doubt of being a more portable player that you want to build a round and like can do this up off ball a little better of defender etc so i'm giving booker that credit he deserves but man i'm if this keeps up the rest of season mitch is going to finish higher than him that's crazy after what devon burger did fucking last night especially wow listen i've not no reason you bias and i'm not going to let that shit bias me he was great though

he's fantastic we don't care we don't care it's the suns we don't put a hit up on you head before you say that all right don't let me show me your list let's keep going all right yeah is my 11 through 20 boom dropped in the chat oh AD at 11 wow I don't mean spoil it go ahead

so well I work bottom up but I have Tyrese at 20 he I picked him over over Kyrie Tyrese at 20 SGA at 19 Jimmy Butler at 18 Siakum at Seacom at 17 Booker at 16 Tray Young at 15

D Mitch at 14 at 14 PG at 13 Zion at 12 And then 80 at 11 And so And so I'm gonna break down A couple of the stuff

Because that I already know The Jimmy Matt The Jimmy Butler The Jimmy Butler one Yeah man I know I know I really like Jimmy Butler

And I appreciate What he does In the playoffs However It bothers me That for eight months out of the year he's just regular right i think i think i think i think there is like while there's a lot of value and being able to take your team and put them on your back and go ahead and do all of that

hey it's also really hard and really valuable to do that for the 82 game season that we play for eight months so that we can get good seating and i don't i just personally don't like the fact that he's not that guy and so he's a really good player he can he can create for other people he plays you know solid defense but if you're only playing for two months out the year and you're supposed to be the guy if this is draymond green and right i only need draymond to be like the best version of himself because he's the third fourth option on the team that's fine if you're going to be the lynchpin of my team if you're going to be the franchise player i need you to step up every single night and he does he has he doesn't really do that and so that's spitting right now

and so that's why i have jimmy that's why i have jimmy butler at 18 i'm with it the one thing that makes me mad first off you put dame over anthony davis i think that's a ludicrous of what we've seen this year how was anthony davis not top 10 it's okay i think that the all all of this and this is where i really really got tough i didn't want um what dame is doing this year to get lost right like he's he's been out he's been out a couple games but if you look at his numbers he's still averaging the same amount of points on the same amount of efficiency that he's always had the The three-point shooting is there. His playmaking is still there.

And I think that when Dame is at his best, right? When Dame is Dame, he's a top-10 player. And I think that for, like, both him and AD have injury concerns. AD literally just got hurt the other night. We'll save it for a Tuesday show, man. Yeah, I know. We're quite this early, by the way. I don't know if I forgot to tell you guys.

We're recording this like a week and a half early because Mo is going to graduate college, so he's going to be on a cruise, so we're recording it early. Shout on Mo. Yeah, shout out, man. Congrats, man. But yeah, I think that Dame, I think that Dame at his best is a top 10 player,

so I'm going to give Dame that respect. If you put AD higher, I'm not going to fight you, and it's not even like a big, big gas, but, huh? I'm going to fight you for putting him lower it. He said, Dave's at his best, he's top 10.

If AD's at his best, he might be top 5. Like, you know, like, we're doing that logic. That's, that's true. I also want to say, this is the space where, listen I did a lot of overreacting

we put a lot of talks out there I did a lot of capping for Shea I did a lot of capping for AD there's a lot of things said I want to be I took my time I'm gonna walk these things back a little bit we're gonna come down I centered myself on this list I lied

yeah basically but yeah that's where I see it what else stands out to you Moe there's a big swing on your list Isaac Lus and Donavis list when it comes to Zion Williamson, Zion is like, what, what is he for you? He's 12?

Yeah, he's 12. He's 12. It's high. Yeah. I don't hate it, though. Why you got him that high? Zion Williamson is one of the most incredible forces that we've ever seen in the NBA. And it's like when Zion is scoring at the room, which those numbers have gone up,

when Zion Williamson is, has the ball in his hands, which we've seen recently. His playmaking has gotten, has gotten, um, his playmaking has gotten better. He's extremely efficient. He's a great offensive rebounder. He's passable on defense that, like, we're starting to see him try, right? We're trying to, um, we're starting to see him try a little bit harder on defense. And so if he's just not a net negative on, on defense, offensively, there's so much

pressure that he puts on the defense on every single play, whether you're talking about picking rolls lob threats all this stuff like and whether he's the romance or he's the one handling the ball he's extremely versatile and he like you you want to talk about you know projecting and i didn't take this into account but if he gets any type of set three point shot then you know he's going to skyrocket and all that stuff but i think that zion right now is him and he's he's really starting to step into Timothy yeah he's really starting to step into everything that we thought we were going to see at the beginning of the season because all Like right now, right?

When we talked about the Pelicans a couple weeks ago and Zion was shooting about like 55%. It was a very, very low percentage rate. Right now Zion is shooting on the year 61%, which is the same percentage that he was shooting two years ago when he was an all-star and everybody was projecting it. So I think that Zion is here and he has shown his ability and so that's why I'm having that high.

Honestly, I don't have an issue anything you said. I think I'm just too pussy to do it right now. I give it some time. But by the end of the season, I'll probably be up there with you. How do you think about Tyrese Halliburton right now compared to how high you had him, I feel the same way about Zion Williams.

Like, what's taking you so long ago and put him that high? You know? And he's been to get even more down there. It's less risky to do. I think Donovan swayed me. With some people, I was like, like I said with Tyrese, I was like, fuck it, let's put him high. Like, I don't need to see it.

I see it already. It's who he is. Yeah. I probably should do the same thing with Zion. He should be higher. Yeah. Like, if you ask him realistically to take him or Jimmy Butler, I'm never going to take Jimmy Butler

You know, I'm going to pick Zion Williams Never I'm being real I feel obligated I feel obligated to put Jimmy Butler higher Because I'll get screamed at And I understand his playoff value But like to be real

I'm taking fucking Zion Williams And every time Yeah Dude Zion's crazy man He's crazy And the fact that his efficiency Is back to where it is Like two years ago

It was There was like some super stat Where he was getting like 50% of like of uh of his offensive rebound like he was just he's just a monster on the offensive glass and i think second chance points provides a great uh amount of value on an offense and and being able to to win game so yeah sion he's moving up the list very very quickly for me love to see it i think right now we're seeing his playmaking he's starting to realize how he can bend a defense once that really comes together hopefully by the end of this season maybe takes into next year he's going to be

taking the leap like back half of the top 10 yeah yeah like he's gonna be where we both clearly have john morant not to realize who shit you have him high who jaw oh what are you going yeah mo do you are your top to is your next 10 ready mo yeah my next 10 is ready but not to spoil bro like i'm on you guys talking about his own ones is playing me he can have improved or whatever he goes on at 19 it's always been that bro and he like they're just switching up the game playing they're drawing up a whole new philosophy and yeah truly going through he's always been you know for sure second half of the season so far the past 10 games they've definitely done a better job of letting him create first 10 games there was too many people need the ball he

kind of fell to the wayside they fix that yeah absolutely show us your 10 mo all right so this is my 10 this is the hardest this is where I feel like wow this is fucked wow all right you know and I will not take any of this to the grave whatsoever all over the minute all right so go ahead well 20 I got Kyrie Irving okay 19 I have Paul George, all right? Get it out of the line, like, you know, whatever, cool. I just feel like everyone this season, so everyone else on this season has been better, point-blank period.

I don't think that's where argument for that. Everyone so far, you're right. You're right. You have. I'm just giving Paul George credit, but you're right. Yeah, so 18, I have Shay, and I feel like that's low. I don't know why, but I hate that I put him at 18, but I have to give respect to number 17 at Pascal She-Acton.

I have to give respect to 16, Donovan Mitchell. trey young 15 you don't have to explain that all right 14 he's on tray you know me yeah yeah yeah i'm 14 yeah you're just you're just holding on to those tray versus jaw debate you you think i'm not doing that i'm not doing how am i how am i'm not kidding you go he's leaped he's leaped so 13 devon booker 12 have to get respect i strongly disagree jimmy butler and then 11 i have damien lillard which is crazy so there's no zion in this top tip in this 10.

I don't hear you that, I told you. Oh, my God. I can't, oh my God. I need it. I need it.

I need it. That's crazy. Okay. Okay. Okay. So lots of them back here. Okay. I think it's too low,

but I get why you'd say that because Donovan Mitchell, Shea, all these people have been so much better of volume scores on him this year. Yeah. I get it. I'm just,

like I said, for all the reasons I explain the impact reasons of giving PG credit because we've seen he can do it next to other stars for so long. Yeah. But I get it. Yeah, absolutely.

All right. So where, Donovan, you got an issue in my shit. Where is the issue at? I don't, I, I do not believe that Devin Booker is a better basketball player than John Morant. Please explain to me the logic there. I'm just giving him, I'm purely giving him his respect. And also, it was so crazy. No, no, no, no, no, pause.

Forget respect. Tell me why Devin Booker is better than John Morant. I want to know, too. I'm fucking confused. Listen, listen. Tell me why Jimmy Butler is better than John Morant. Devin. You can't even tell me why.

I just not going to believe you. Listen. Listen. Listen. You, you, y'all are making me out to seem like a fucking Devin Booker's number one fan on the podcast, which I pretty much might be. I'm playing victim. I'm playing victim. That's all I do my entire life, bro. I'm a little manipulator. So, Devin Booker, right?

I can understand why you think John Mer is a better player and all that. And I'm not going to, I'm not fighting this tooth or name. This is just me being like, you know, he deserves, he's been deserved more respect than what a lot of people have been given him so far this season. And if I was to go ahead and pick one and build my team around or whatever for the rest of this season, I'm picking Devin Booker. Not to say that John Moran hasn't done things at an exceptional level or surpassed or met expectations. He's been doing that, bro. He's been doing that. And he's been him this season and the Grizzas are what, top three or maybe number one in the Western Conference.

It's been shifting so much recently. And as for Devin Booker, you know, he's been doing the exact same. He's been doing not the exact same thing. Of course, differently, though, on at his way, in his own way and his play style. And he's been maximizing, maxing out his fucking potential. You know, there's only so much someone like Devin Booker can do. And he's been elevating his team. And the Phoenix doesn't feel the same at all compared to when Devin Booker is not there,

compared to when John Moran is not there and they have Ty Jones and that. They still, they're not as exciting, but they still have the game. I hate that argument. I know you hate that argument. I know you would hate that argument because there's some Memphis has good players. Yeah, Memphis does have a lot of good players. Yeah, they do have good players.

They do have good players. And I'm not faulting that on John Moran. Now you are. No, I'm not. I'm not. This is more so has to do with, like, Devin Booker and my appreciation for him. Yeah, I feel you.

And how much he's just improved. He's been better and better and better. Maybe not statistically when it comes to to punt for game or whatever the fuck. But just as a whole, his game is so well-rounded. It is. Defense, too, I think at this point he's the most balanced player in the NBA,

most versatile player in the NBA, besides, like, KD and whatnot. But, like, he can play off ball, can play on ball, can defend a little bit now, can be a playmaker, can be a score. I understand. He doesn't get that John Morant is such a force of nature that I guess we should use

this transition into the top 10 because I think John Moran has earned his place in the top 10. Not because his volume is as high or his efficiency is as high as some of these other guys. He's not the best playmaker, not the best defender. But I think with him,

it's like all intangible. which I hate from my style of analysis. But the way he can drive an offense and be this unstoppable force, he's just so impactful. Like, we saw the playoffs last year. It just cannot leave your mind. I won't let it.

He was scoring 40 a night against the Warriors, giving them hell. Like, because he's just such an athletic marvel. The same things we say about Zion Williamson applies to John Moran. They're the same player. He's guard Zion and Zion is big Jha. Like, they're so similar.

And Jod just deserves to be number 10, I think, which is where I have them. I love it. I love it, especially, especially, especially, especially coming from Isaac, because Isaac is not like the, you know, that, that boy nice type of watcher. And the fact that that's like the main, like, one of the defining arguments, you know what I'm saying? That's, that's fantastic. I love it. Here's a rest my top 10.

Damn, but that gap in my mind, though, like that gap that you have between Zion and John Moran, it's kind of crazy. If you view them the same level player, you know, and you just, you know what type of force Zion is. and you, why do you have him so local for it to adopt? Like, that's just like... Sample size. I think once Zion continues to do it, I'm going to put Zion at like 12 by the end of the season. Okay, gotcha.

That's understood. So, this is the rest of my top 10. John Moran at 10. LeBron at 9. Which hurts my fucking soul. I want to be the last one to move LeBron down. I think he might start and be proving me wrong. He's to go back up.

But for now he's number 9. Eight with Anthony Davis. Seven, Jason Tatum. Six, Kevin Durant. Five, Joelle Embed. Four, Luca Donchich. Three, Nicola Yochich. Suck my dick.

if you disagree, two Steph Curry and one, Yonazantam Tumpo. There's no need for that. So why did she disagree? Wow. Everyone's going to hate that and be like, oh, Yogi's shouldn't be top ten. Fuck you.

Yeah. Yogi's number three. Okay. Okay. There's some stuff to unpack here. I know that for you, the Luka and B debate is one that's like really,

really close for you. So hard. Why did you go Luka over M.B.? Fucking vibes. I don't know. It's hard. he admitted it fucking vibes

but like when I say that I'm joking but it's like in style of play intangible and all that bullshit like

it's kind of that where I know in a playoff setting the role that Luca has being this on ball creator and being able to be this engine of an offense

that in a playoff setting is going to be harder to stop than a big because Juelan B has done everything he can to kind of

transcend what a big can do offensively like he's a creator off the dribble in transition he's taking the ball up taking off the dribble shots from the mid range like he's doing that stuff to the point where like he doesn't need to be fed the ball like normal bigs do but there's so much higher of a ceiling when you're luka don't you can be created through you you can't scheme luka you know what i mean So why don't you have Luca ahead of, like, Yokic then? Because I think Yokic is one of the most incredible offensive players we've ever seen in NBA history. He has more defensive value than Luca. People like to say that he's a defensive liability,

but that hasn't been the case for years. Obviously, he's not going to defend Damian Lillard because no big in the NBA can. But he's a solid defender. He's the most efficient volume score in the NBA. He had like, earlier in the year, like a 70% true shooting on 23 points your game, which is ridiculous. And I think he's probably the best passer in the NBA,

him and Luca are one and two, I think. And just the things that Yolwitch is able to do as a big man, we've never seen it and be a history in terms of offense. I just don't think there's any way. There's nothing that Luca does better than him, I think. Okay. Besides dribble. That's fair.

That's fair. I think, listen, I'm kind of holding on to LeBron at 9. That hurts. It's so, it's so weird. It's so weird to see LeBron, like, borderline outside the top 10. Yeah. For me, so last year, I still had him at like five or so because he was so great last year. He averaged 30. But I got to have to be real of myself. He was that great because they moved the team around to make him that great. He played the center and they spaced it out. They did what the Rockets did with Russell Westbrook, where they sacrificed parts of their team to allow the star player to eat and have his impact. That's what they did. So he was able to continue to get the rim because there was so much spacing, no big next to him. But he doesn't have the defensive force he had in 2020 or before when they won their title. the main thing he dropped out for me now is his scoring efficiency

has just fallen off a cliff he's not a good from the rim his three point shot hasn't been as good his shots from self-created shots aren't as good like I don't know like it's just everything has gotten 20% worse

which is to be expected as an old man and maybe now that Anthony Davis is going to be out he's going to prove to me that he can still do it and he's going to turn on another gear but like I couldn't put him behind I'm above Anthony Davis

yeah all this is crazy since hearing like he's 20% worse and he's still having fucking 27 Yeah, he's still the ninth best player alive. Yeah, that's still nuts. But I don't see anything too crazy about this list whatsoever. Like this year, where did you all rank KD? Because that was hard for me. Um, I'll listen. Here's what I'm, yeah, I'm gonna send my list. I'm gonna send my list. Both do you. I'm gonna set my list. Let's just talk about them all at once. All right. So here is my list. We, let me drop this in. Boom. Yeah, Don, you read yours and Mo you read yours. All right. So I have Dame at 10, Jai at 9. KD at 8 Braun at 7

Tatum at 6 Luca at 5 and beat at 4 Steph at 3 Yokic at 2 Janice at 1 Wow Yokic at 2 impressive

Bro Yokic is Yokic is nice Give him his fucking flowers He's listen Isaac said said a majority of everything that's you know going on with Luca

and we've talked about it before is like the biggest argument that you can make against Luca right now I mean, against Yokits right now, is he's not shooting enough. It's not that he's doing anything bad. He's not shooting worse, right? He's not taking worse shots.

He's not shooting enough. And so if that's the biggest critique against you, which is 100% going to go up in the playoffs, I'm fine. It's a stupid critique. It's such a biased towards point per game. Like it's a dumb critique. Like, just making the right play. Yeah, I'm good on that.

So Yokic is two. I'm holding on to Braun as long as I possibly can. I just still feel. Like, I feel like two things are at work. One, the roster construction for LeBron is probably the worst that he's ever had in terms of the shooters that they have in L.A. are non-shooters. And so when you have that, it's like this, the best, one of the best things that LeBron does, being able to drive and kick and facilitate to wide open shooters on the outside, you take

that away from him with roster construction. I think the point where I'm starting to accept is that we're at the point of LeBron's career where he needs the right roster construction and the rest of these top 10 players kind of transcend that where to a certain extent you have to build around every player

properly so they have a chance but he just needs it's kind of malpractice though in Los Angeles like Polinka did a terrible job and so like it's freaking he's relying on Patrick Beverly night in and night out to knock down three days he looked at KD his roster sucks dick too

but it's just he's so transcendent around the players that he's portable with almost any set of people around him now like it's stuff like that. Tatum's going to fit with anybody you just you don't have to do as much to enable them. That's fair. Even the net shooters like the nets have, they have Seth Curry and Joe Harris. If you

put Seth Curry and Joe Harris, no but even if you put those two guys and you respect you to, you just nice. If you put those two guys and if you put Utah on the Lakers, it completely changes the dynamic of everything that they're doing. So I'm holding on to Bronis as much possible and I just still feel like in a playoff setting I would love to have LeBron James on my team

more I would just want to have LeBron more than Kevin Durant more than Jha and so that's why I have that's why I have him at seven yeah I feel like I'm overreacting as well to LeBron placement like I don't know I'm I don't sleep well in that one well why don't you tell us your top 10 now so my top 10 is uh at 10 I got Zion Williamson, bro. Over the last 10 games, since he's been in this mode, he's fucking averaging 30 points and shooting 65% from the field. Are you kidding me right now? That's crazy.

All right, and I'm cleaning on to LeBron James at 9. That's what I have to do, bro. It's kind of awe at this point. At 8, I got Anthony Davis. It's been fucking phenomenal, but he fucking hurt himself. So, you know, he would be higher on this if he could continue this on a consistent basis. But, you know, news came out anyways. seven Jason Tatum

Elite 6 Joel N.B., which is crazy hell to put them out there Five, I have Kevin Durant. I don't like that. I don't do you don't like that.

I don't do the fuck though. You know why? Dude, I feel like people are just so hesitant to put KD in these MVP type conversations

and because it's like because you shouldn't be MVP. You said they shouldn't be or should be? No, he shouldn't be. Listen, Katie is number,

what happened, six? He's number six off of sheer talent and the impact he has with one part of the game scoring. He's a solid defender still, but at this part of his career, he's offering some playmaking, but just in like a, I'm making the right reads, but not I'm elevating you and making high-level reads like somebody like Luca is. He's not an overtly impactful defender like somebody like Joelle Embed is. He can't finish with the rim anymore.

So like we saw in the playoffs last year, I'm kind of scheming out of the game. He got clint. He got clamped. He got clamped. He just so much less. versatile than he used to be he got shut down he doesn't he has no athleticism anymore he's purely relying on jump shots was clearly gets him far as shit he's still amazing it's not just say he's watched setting like i'm not taking him over lucca or over joel and

bead you know what i mean yeah i disagree with that i'm definitely saying him over jolly because like i'm using i don't know if you want to call a reason to see vice but like it just every time i see joel and beat in the playoffs it's fucking disappointing whether it be fuck mainly i would say it's mainly because of his team with the disappointment I'll say, is it Ben Simmons' disappointment or Joelle and B. Disappointment? Joelle and B. still could have done enough in that, in any series. I feel like he still had more.

I'm about to cap. I'm about to cap for Embed. And Bid, and you should know this more than anybody, because it was against your team. And Bid went out there with a torn meniscus and was giving y'all 40 a night. Health is also another fucking reason as well, but continue. Oh, Katie's injury opponent's shit now. What are we talking about? Yeah, I know, but he, since he's had his injury, he's been out there doing his

motherfucking thing. No, I do. I think he's missed more games the past three years and Joelle and Bede has.

No. Fact check me on that but Katie's missed a lot of games lately. I'll check that make sure. Keep going.

But look, Embed is right now, I would say total package probably just as good to score as Kevin Durant in terms of

being able to do absolutely everything. Okay. He's a much better, he's a much better defender. Once again, even on a torn meniscus

giving y'all 40 he had a he had a broken face last year still giving people still giving people 40 he's been able to fight through those injuries and still be able to dominate on both ends of the floor and if ben simmons doesn't get scared of tray young running at him and dunks the ball maybe they maybe they end up in the conference finals if james hardin decides to shoot more than two times in the second half maybe they end up in the conference finals i don't think that the i don't think that the playoff failures from the 76ers have been on joel and bide at all i don't i don't think i don't think that they're his fault and i think that real quick on the games played thing in 2021 kevin durant well kevin derratt missed 2020 right in 2021 he played 35 games in 2021 joel and b played 51 in 22

Kevin Durant played 55 Joel and Bede played 68 Okay And this year it's 20 and 29 Like he's Kevin Durant's injury prone Like we have to say what it is

Like he misses a lot of fucking games now Yeah And some mishap What were you saying Yeah I would I would take and be any And what we just saw Like I was saying

What we saw in the playoffs last year This man didn't get a game He got swept out of the playoffs He did not get a game as the quote unquote best score and he true bro bro the the game winner that that tatum had in game one that's because kd laps on defense because like stuff just stuff just have i'm so frustrated that that actually makes me back because there's no there's no way that kevin durant is better than than joel and b and i'm not taking it it's six to five so it's it's it's tooth and nail

right yeah yeah it's like yeah no it's not i think for me um it's clear and At this point for me, it's like, okay, it's game seven. I'm using one of those arguments. I don't like, bro, game seven, who the fuck would I rather have on my fucking team? Alien point of the laser beam of the planet, fate of the universe. Yeah. Who do you want? Equidda.

No, I think for me at this point, obviously, Joelle and Bede is the better defender. We don't got to talk about that. But offensively, Kevin Durant is still an elite score who has impact because he's just not going to fucking miss his shots, right? You can play around him. He can fit around anybody. But I think Joel is the opposite of that. It's not that he can play around everybody. It's that everybody else can play around Joel,

and he's going to impact so much more of his teammates than Kevin Durant is because of his gravity at the rim where he's this, it's kind of like Zion, right? He's just like nonstop downhill. He's going to create advantages and force double teams. Kevin Rand has none of that anymore. He's like the opposite where he's a play finisher, not a play creator anymore. And I think Joel Embed's creation ability,

especially as his playmaking has gotten better, it's just simply more valuable. Yeah. with the way Donald was arguing with me he asked like I put fucking Joel Invita at 10 and Katie at one fast

5 and 6 3 2 to nail literally I is just because I've long listen I have gripes with Kevin Durant but I I also just don't think that it's I don't think that it's fair to to Joel and Bid

to have to have him outside the outside the top five when he's one of the best two-way players in the game and I don't think that Kevin Lee in scoring I think so far too. Exactly. And I just don't think that Kevin Durant is that much better than anybody offensively right now to where you can, you know, put him over some of the better two-way

players. Yeah. I love how we've done zero discussion about Janus and Steph at the top because like we all agree. So, okay, so yeah, then I did I tell you all where I had them? All right, let me finish. So I think he stopped at KD at 5. Okay, Nicole Yokit's crazy, but I have him at four. Uh, Luke Dorsey's at three, then Steph at two and then Yon is at one. Yeah, I mean, okay, so obviously, top two, we agree, but I mean, we put Yolch above Luka. Why don't you explain, I kind of know why, but explain what you put Luka above Yokch. Because he's like that. Yeah, exactly.

So simple because he's not. But I put Luka above the Yokch because I feel like at this moment in time, like, Yokch is the way his team is set up, he's just propelled for fucking success. And I know eventually that Luca is going to hit a goddamn wall. whether it be the Golden State Warriors or whatever team or the Denver Nuggets. He's going to hit a wall soon because his team is limited and the Denver Nuggets are limitless. But as individual talents, I believe that the only thing that's limiting Lucas, all the other dudes who have certain inability compared to Nicole Yonkis, you know? I see what you mean.

Here's the paradox in that. The reason you're putting him above Yokic is probably because he's averaging like a 30 point triple double damn near. And every night he's going to here, scoring 40-point triple doubles, which is impressive. But on one hand, he has to do that because his team sucks. So that's part of it. So you can say that he's only not winning games because his team suck. But the only reason his numbers are so good are also because his team sucks. So I mean, you can't get both of that.

Like, no what I mean? But even if his team was better, I still think that he would have a higher student in summer like Nicole. It's soon because it's a guard's league, period. That's my biggest thing. It's not, though. Why do people still say that? The best players in the Yonis just won two straight, fucking, he won two straight MVPs. he's one of finals like him yokitch and bade are three the best players alive it's not a guards

league anymore it's yeah him yokitch and beat are definitely like some of the three you could argue that yeah whatever three best players alive but like just one through 10 if as we see it's all mostly forwards or whatever the fuck you don't say people who tend to play it's a wing it's a wing's league it's not a wing league know what it is it's a playmaker's league and yokic is probably the best playmaker alive like he transcends that like novelty of big man can't do this like he doesn't fit that category at all. Yeah. That was a great quote. That was nice. Yeah. Stamped that on your fucking wall, I think.

Stamped down on your fucking wall. Yeah. Write it down. Put it on the board. Yeah. At the end of the day, I just, again, like, it's three and four. I truly don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It's obviously that crazy. Yeah. But these are conversations we got to have. It's the fun part. Yeah, exactly. But I just, for someone like Luke with Dodgers, it's easy. I've seen, I, like you said,

Nicole Lucas is a fucking alien And I haven't seen what he's doing done before And I want to see it be done at the highest level In terms of Luca Donors We've seen it millions of times before People, all these all-time grades Win championships Whether it's how to play style

What do you mean how? I mean, just basic archetypes is what I mean by that Yeah, I see what you mean But if you want to get pessimistic You can say that Luca's more And the James Hardin archetype The only one we've seen do that He has too much of a load and burns out

like if you want to i'm not that pessimistic i think it's bullshit to focus too much on that comparison but in a way you we are seeing the league trend away from these ball handlers that do everything and be heliocentric we are starting to see that get exposed in the playoffs and you need more options like you could say that lucas play style isn't as conducive to high level success yeah i i could see that but more so i guess just to also put in my belief if there is a belief which i'm not sure if there's a belief he ought yet is whether or not he'll like change up his play style once he won't you know the time comes he uh and he gets more help on his team and that's a big if that's a big if i don't know i don't think you will but i don't think

you should i think they should get stars next to him that can play around that you know what i mean like a paul george type uh whoever else they may be fucking nikola yoke's type ironically someone that doesn't need the ball all the time no i see what you mean no i i will i'm i want to push back on that a little bit i think that it is very unrealistic to ask somebody who probably for first seven years of his career and obviously like we're projected a little bit with Luca but for the first like you know five to six seven years of his career is asked to be this extreme high usage we're going to run everything through you and then like oh now we're going to get another star as good as you and you're just going to you know magically be okay

we're playing off ball the same problems that trey young is having right now figuring out how to how to play off ball to another ball dominant player if somebody like that goes with Luca, I don't think that it's going to go well. And I think that there are going to be limitations with Luca playing off ball and him switching up his entire, not switching up his entire game, but trying to add that facet into his game when he spent his entire career, even overseas, being the person with the ball 85% of the time. Yeah, hopefully they don't make him try and do that.

It's just miscasting him. I'm like, you're right. They need to get somebody that can play with him. Yeah, I can definitely see that argument. yeah i don't i don't i don't see it for look but good list though good list though yeah zion at 10's crazy i i love it i'm glad you're i'm very happy with that too yeah yeah i'm not willing to go there yet but i fully supports you being the first one to be like fucking stopped in yeah you're gonna get you're gonna get cooked i'll let you know now

they're gonna be mad at you but i'm not i support by the time this podcast comes out they're not they're gonna understand bro he's gonna go on it his numbers are gonna be fucking inflated by the time of the talk about Jason Tatum I think we all agree he's in that mid to back half of the top 10 like he just is what it is like fits in there solidly like you got to give him credit over the Anthony Davis and LeBron James of the world but you can't really put him over the top guys like Joeline Bid and Yokitch and whatnot yeah I mean listen he's he's probably going to win MVP this year though yeah he's my pick he's on track what he did to the Lakers was disgusting oh my goodness nice

Turn around, splashing, bottom of the net hitting. It's a sight to see. He's an amazing player. Yeah. I know. That's our list. I mean, so that was an awkward transition because we had, as always, we had some technical difficulties, but we're back.

We have technical difficulties because they haven't liked the video yet and we haven't blew up yet. So if you guys blow our shit up, you no longer have to pay. Tell them the real, Isaac. Stop being the bus. Stop being nice. No, no, no. But we're done with the rankings You guys saw it all 30

So now it's TikTok time The main thing everybody's gonna be seeing And I think we should start off With something we do all the time A draft Let's go Let's go I love drafts

This is gonna be a little different Because normally we just do regular drafts Of like the best players in league right now The best players all time This is gonna be different Because we're gonna do We're gonna make lineups Of point guard through center

Of only players above seven feet tall nah it's gonna be hairy you're gonna have some people in the comments be like hey excuse me sir technically this he was 6 foot 11.75 inches yeah so we're gonna go off we're gonna go off their official official heights so like sadly yokech is 611 so we can't use him as a point guard yeah so yeah everybody has to be listed at least seven feet tall all right that's cool who has the first picks that's all i that's all i care about oh who had it last i think i had it last time and i was second i think i should have it no i think it's my turn to go first Moes, Hernego's second, Donovan goes third.

All right. We'll rotate through every time. Okay. That's great. I think so, yeah. Okay. Cool. Okay, so let's draft NBA lineups with only seven footers.

Let's do it. First pick, man, give me Shaq. Give me Shaq number one. Wack. Shack, you got Shaq number one. Give me Shaq to go into my center position. We're going to do it. We're going to stay a position every time.

so I'm going to list out that way instead of one through five okay I'm gonna put shack in my center cool I'm gonna have Walt Chamberlain at the fucking the fuck that I just say anyways don't mind that I'm gonna have Walt Chamberlain for my actual center position as well okay yeah well it's a great pick for this because he's so athletic all right that's cool that's cool give me give me Hakima Lajuan as my actual center

okay and then give me Joelle and Bede as my shoeingard Why did you want her to be so bad? Give me Joella B as my shooting guard. That's right. I was praying he fell to me. That's so tough. That's right.

That ruined my whole game plan. Yeah, yeah, that's so tough. We're winning this one. Let's go. All right, so who do you have, Isaac? It's your turn, Mo. It's on you. Oh, it's my turn?

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I forgot. Snakes said. Anyways, cool. I got Dirk and Witsky as my three as my three. Damn. Yeah.

Got a prioritize. Okay. well you guys took the good set of you guys took the good shooters that are available so I just ruin my game plan yeah I guess I gotta pick fucking Carl Anthony Towns to be my shooting guard because I need the shooting even though it's discussion to pick him so high yeah

good shooters good shooters and then you pick does somebody pick Kareem yet no I don't think so okay I'll put Kareem in my four so I'm not going to have the spacing but I got I got to pick the talent

yeah spacing is going to be generally nasty for every single one of us clunky as hell for y'all I'm gonna be fine I'm gonna be fine who you got mo okay so

I'm gonna have David Robinson as my four that's a good pick that was my pick okay okay okay you're messing me up right now you messed me up now I have to think outside the box um

Let me see how How tall I don't think this man Is seven feet tall Yeah I'm trying He's 611 I was I was gonna go Bill Walton

Try to sneak Bill Walton in there Um I I guess we just gotta We might just have to do this Give me Give me Patrick Ewing at my four Damn

Okay nice That's nice Yeah I'll take Patrick U at my four so I need a point guard and a three um I really need a list of all of all the seven footers

this is so weird this is so weird that's all I do when we draft on God I'm shameless I don't give a fuck if you can't see me you're not on the face time facts all right give me

I'm gonna speed this up I got you I'm gonna speed this up I'm gonna speed this up give me Chris out Sporzingis at my three Oh, that's a great pick I didn't even think about his weak ass Damn, he's 7-3

He's 7-3 Yeah Damn Okay, shit Listen, I look he got some shooters I look at you Low-key, my spacing may not be bad You definitely have some shooters

Now I have to do this Just in terms of stylistic play For my point guard Don't you did Give me Fuck, should I do this?

No, I'm not going to do this Because I know he's going to be available I know he's going to be available I know he's going to be available Don't you dare move So for my For my two I think I need him on my team

Give me Paul Gasol That's a good pick See I see where you're going But Powell wasn't the best three point shooter So I was thinking that I'm going to pick Mark Gassol from our three That's good That's good

That's good I need a point Oh my mom 1611 No he's not I'm capping. No, he's not. I'm capping. I'm cavern. Don't even say, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. Yeah. Okay. You're going to check. No, I'm not going to check. Mo, Mo, if you take, Mo, I'm going to let you know right now. If you take my pick, I'm flying out there and I'm, I need a point guard. Who should I pick a point guard?

I'm so mad that Yokic is 611. Yeah. Who makes sense? I'm looking at Yonis is 611, right? Or is 610? He's 611 He's 611 Yeah Who's the point guard to go for This is difficult

You took Patrick Ewing I imagine you took David Robinson Yeah That David Robinson Piquels fire I should have put Wilt was my fucking point guard I wish I had

David Robinson Yeah You know what Fuck it Yow Ming is my point guard Oh my goodness Seven six That's crazy

Yeah I mean that's a hack All right So cool As my point guard I have to do it He's not prevalent Or he's far from one of the greatest Of all time

But in terms of skills You can get the job done Getting Bobball at my point guard Because he's a bro Yeah I thought about that Bobbo's getting fucking bodied every player You get you're sick Bro

bro I'm Mote can't ain't too many players on this too we keep up with him We're calling him Postups on Bull Bull every single play. I see how it is. I see how it is.

I see how you want to play? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I need it. You know, you don't want fucking bowl bowl.

I did want Bobo. That was my last pick. Now I have to rethink this. All right. So who do you have Isaac on your squad? Why? Oh, you got it? Okay, let's go.

I think I have it. I think I know exactly who I'm going to pick. At my point guard. This is going to be so nasty. Give me Zendj. Drinus Ilgouskis. Why would you pick it? That's my point guard.

He could do a couple things. He can do a couple things. He's a little... You take your medication today? He's a little mobile. He's a little mobile. My team will body yours. Put it in 2K.

Put it in 2K. You get in sweat, Mo. No, sir. You got... No, sir. Stop it. Stop it. That's funny.

These are hilarious teams. What was I supposed to do? to do mo we're picking people over some for you bobo's the only one with like actual handles yeah is there any project can i use the word projection one more time be like give me wemby or not

is that been funny yeah thanks okay that's funny that's gonna be a good tic doc all right for the next thing we got I'm gonna ask you something that has to do with former players in the current NBA okay so

what we're gonna do is I'll just ask you this If Alan Iverson was in the NBA today, would he be a top four player? Ooh, he was in your bag. If Alan Iverson was in the NBA today, would he be a top four player? No, he would not be. He would not be a top four player. He wouldn't be better than Janus, Steph, Yokit, or Luca.

Or Embed? Or Embeddibed. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, he might not be top five. I don't think he would be top eight. Borderline top ten. I don't think he'll be top ten. he would be definitely

yeah he would be in the top he would be like after 10 11 12 13 14 that's what you can have those conversations with him like oh my god you think prime out irises in the jimmy butler range okay don't say jimmy blurt rains like that right say damy louis that makes you feel better about myself damn okay

where would prime copy bryant rank top five top five bro he's top one it's copy bryant yeah yeah you can say one whatever whatever what You asked me if he was going to be top five? Yes, he's going to be top five. Now I said, where would you rank?

What number would he be? I don't know. One, because you're right. He's Kobe. Prime. Yeah, Prime. At this state and the NBA, I think he would be probably two, one or two, one or two.

You'd have him behind Janus? I might have him behind Yonis. He's 27. He's already top tens of him. The nerds would hate Kobe Bryant. So all he takes is hard, too. Shut up But today

Shut up Put Kobe with 2022 spacing He'd be a fucking demon He gets buckets He's the mamba That's what he does Why don't you focus on getting bucks

That is true That is true What about Dirk Nibiski What about Dirk What would Dirk rank Dirk would be top 10 He just left his error

Like a Prime Dirk He's top 10 Yeah Would he be higher Than Would Prime Dirk be higher Than current AD Probably

Current 80? That's a tough one Probably that's tough Crazy is crazy I think I think dirt will be better than Tatum yeah for sure So I think he would be number seven

Number seven you can say six Yeah we're really being disrespectful to Dirk was out here winning He's out here winning MVP Like yes he's gonna be top 10 He's gonna be better than a lot of these guys Okay Where would Steve Nash rank

Let me be a new video Where would Steve Nash rank in the current NBA Probably like top 20 I'll say anywhere from 15 to 20 range Prime Steve Nash He's one of the more overrated players in NBA Are you taking Devin Book over Prime Steve Nash No

That's a good question Well there you go Devin Booker like the 13th best player Or something like that Yeah absolutely Yeah I think I'm definitely taking Devin Booker over Steve Nash What? I don't know Prime yeah

I'm not a Steve Nash type of guy He's not my cup of tea All right, what about Dwayne Wade? Where would he rank? Top 10 Oh, Jay and Wade would be top. He would be top six. Yeah.

Top. Twain would be above Joel and Bede? Yeah. Yeah. I would have a confident above doing. So I agree. So he's top five. Yeah.

Would he be above Luca? Maybe not because of the passing. It's a conversation. That's hard. Yeah. But listen, y'all be fucking ball head weight, that's a different animal.

That's a different animal. That's a different animal. Ridiculous. Give him today's spacing, bro, he would easily after, like, 30 points per game with, like, 60% true shooting. He's fired. Yes. Yeah, that ball's down. Today's spacing, bro.

Ridiculous. Now, what about Scotty Pippen? This would be interesting, because he would be really good in today's game. Yeah, I would say 15, I would say anywhere between 15 or 12 to 16, 17, around that range. 12 to 1617, okay. Scotty Pippen would be a reserve offensive. star in this league. Damn,

reserve prime Scotty Pippin. What? You think he wouldn't be like top 20? He wouldn't he wouldn't make, he wouldn't be an all star started. He wouldn't be like, like, oh, oh, yeah, yeah. I thought you meant like an alternate. Like he's going to be like no, no, no, no, no, no. No, yeah.

He's making the all star game, but like the coaches are going to have to vote him. Like he's never going to get those votes. Oh, yeah, for sure. So he's not a top 10 player to you, but he's a top like 15 or so? Yeah, like 15 to 20-ish. Yeah, like I'm looking at this list like I mean like Donovan Mitchell's like the 14 or 15 best player this year He's gonna be way fucking better than Donovan Mitchell. No, he's getting crossed up I'm playing I'm playing I'm playing I'm playing I'm playing I'm playing I'm playing jk k jk he's better than Paul George

Is he I feel like I feel like that's a conversation I'm just Scotty Pippen This guy didn't really have a bag like that though Offensively Listen, I don't know We got to talk about it I may ultimately He's not going to

I don't think there's anything To talk about bro I may ultimately pick Scottie But like it's not a no brainer You know Okay okay That's funny Okay next one

I'm gonna send you guys The doc from the last podcast Go to the bottom of this And you'll see the jerseys We're gonna talk about right now Okay We're gonna play a little game I like to call old versus new

We did with logos A couple podcasts ago so today we're going to look at jerseys from different teams and decide which is better the old one of the new one oh i've been waiting on this let's go let's go okay which NBA jersey is how do I phrase this which NBA jersey is better old or new the lakers the old jersey is better the old jersey is better yes it is I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell y'all I'm gonna tell y'all why I'm gonna tell you all okay so number one we hate capitalism Nike even though that I'm wearing the sweater, came in,

ruined the NBA's jerseys. The Lakers are the purple and gold. Their new jerseys are yellow. They are not gold. The other ones are a more indicative color of what the Lakers should represent. Okay, well, I'm going to go with the modern ones. Just because the collar with the stripes,

rather than that weird, like a little wishbone thing they had in the old ones, I don't like the color at all. I think that's just a fucking that generation. That was thing, though. So I can't hold it. That generation was ugly. Yeah. I just said, I just simply like, why would you have that purple Lakers font and then not make the number the same color?

People do that all the time and I promise you you don't notice that. Right. Yeah, I noticed it like fucking who's this behind LeBron's goddamn picture? Is this Bruce Brown? Same thing with the Denver Nass. I hate that shit. Make it consistent. I hate it.

Give me the New Jersey. Fuck it. Yeah, New Jersey. Nah, yeah, tripping. Nostal just not going to blind me. I don't care. Yeah, fuck this. If it wasn't, if you had Roberts.

No, not Robert. Who's a random Shannon Brown in that jersey? Would you still say? Not sorry for how bad. Exactly. If you had Shannon Brown in that, in that journey instead of Kobe, would you be, would that be the same man? Sir Donovan, be real? Yes.

We're talking about jerseys. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. All right. What about the 76ers? Old. The old one. That old one is too iconic.

It's too iconic. See, I want to pick the old one, too. I like the logo more, the six years of the ball going across. But I don't know, the colors in the new one, the red with the white, looks so clean that it makes me almost not to pick that one. You tell me you don't like sat in basketball jerseys? Come on that. Come on that, that's cool. That blue on the new one, bro, that shit is gorgeous.

That blue on the new one is clean, but there's nothing comparable to that old, to that old style. Talk about it. That logo is real nice. I guess I'll go with the old one, too. Talk about it, Mo. But again, I don't like the cut of the jersey. Like that old cut with the big giant shoulders, it looks terrible. That's just 2000s fashion.

Yeah, that's just. It was ass. You can't blame on that. Yes, I can. It sucks. Okay. How about the, what about the Houston Rockets? New.

New in a heartbeat. New easy. This old one is one. Yes. When they changed it from this old one in like 2015, it was the most needed refresh. That old one with a stripes on the side, it was so dated. This new one is gorgeous comparatively. Yeah, them two big ass loopsy loops at the bottom were just disgusting, bro.

They were so unflattering. Yeah. If you ask me. As a. use the native y'all going to have to ease up those are those are nice those are those are okay i think the new one they're cool they're okay this is honestly in my opinion is a wash this they're both just okay i don't like new ones a lot see i don't love the the current iteration as much but the late james hard and chris paul team ones those was the perfect jersey i think i think those are the best

rockets ones we've seen in decades yeah okay okay what about Oklahoma city Okay, see Has some cool jerseys But the old one washes You listen, I'm going Super Sonics No, with no hesitation It's Olden watch

Clean sweet Yeah Yeah, we've never seen anything like that before Not replicable whatsoever OkayC's jerseys are totally fine I guess But they're just fine

The Seattle Super Sonics Was elite branding Bro, that color scheme was crazy We still don't see Colors schemes like that In the NBA whatsoever Elite branding The Sonics

Where the Bassball that just insane to me, bro. Adam Silver's driving the NBA down. I didn't get that off. For the New Mexico Sonics back, the New Mexico song is going to go ahead and appear in the NBA 2025, wait on it. What about the Golden State Warriors?

I kind of like the new ones better. I think the new ones, they're just a little cleaner. I like the old ones. I like the color scheme of the old ones, but the New Jersey, just that feel, it's clean. yeah and we were talking like the old old ones like the blue ones with the red letter sure but I'm definitely taking the new ones over this 2000s one like it's not

really close to me see this is close to me so because I like just the big ass W and then it starts to get smarts more and smart towards the other end and that's really on parr of Brandon if you ask I fuck with the old one the problem is that navy blue with those shades of orange are just not complimentary colors I feel like they're just like a nasty color yeah that is the navy blue huh That's nasty as fuck. Never mind. You got a better eyesight to me.

I thought that shit was black. I thought that shit was black. No, if it was black jerse is an automatic W. So if that shit was black, I'll be picking it every time. Yeah. Who the fuck idea was that shit? Oh my God. They fumbled so hard.

What's next? All right. Next up we got. Let me look at my list. I think we're going to save the other ones for later. Okay. I guess that's all right. We're not going to do the Miami one.

Oh, is Mammon? No, I didn't see it. Yeah. I'm blind. Where is it? Just keep coming down. Page 9. Oh, I gotcha.

Okay. What about the Miami Heat? I'm going to go with the old ones. Just for the detail on the T that has the little flame. So nice. Such a nice, such a nice touch. It's not even just that for me. It's the big white block numbers with a big hard red drop shadow.

That style is so gorgeous to me and just adds this kind of contrast that the new ones just don't have it all. We're a graphic design pod. I love this. Yeah, absolutely. I just feel like that Miami means new jerseys or this new school jersey or whatever. It's one of the most boring in the NBA, if you ask you. It is.

They have that fucking, you know what it is? They have that nasty ass wishbone on the collar. It's so ugly. I hate that. It's funny because the white collars every time. The Warriors have the same thing. The new Warriors ones have the same thing. Yeah, they do.

They consistent, Isaac. I simply do not see. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, that's all we got now. That would get us some funny TikToks in. Cool. All right. You guys are done.

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