The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Best & WORST NBA Free Agency Deals | Ep. 44

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

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Guys, impossible finally happened. Since we last recorded, Damien Lillard has finally requested a trade. We've been talking about this for a year, maybe even longer, theoretically. He swore he'd never do it, but Damien Lode is leaving the Trailblazers. How do y'all feel? It's about dame time. That was lame. I didn't get that one off.

I didn't get that one. I'm actually ashamed of myself. I'm sorry. Yeah, this doesn't feel real. This doesn't feel real whatsoever. yeah definitely felt like something that like we talked about so much it was shot down so many times we came up here on the pod multiple times and said we're not talking about this until he does it so now that he actually did do it it just felt like it was an impossibility so like it doesn't

even really hit me that he's going to be on a new team i mean is he going to be on a new team at the side of the season i would i would think so do you think so i don't i don't know i feel like there's been a lot of talk from from people saying that like the blazers they really don't have any incentive to trade them to Miami you know like the the heat package hasn't been like too interested in this and that and so like if you want to wait for a better deal then maybe you can go get that I don't know that would be so embarrassing if they did not do that I definitely think that this entire thing is going to be dragged the fuck out because like why would they need to rush into anything just common sense you know for a GM yeah and I think

if they definitely like don't listen to dame and his request if you don't listen to the greatest player of your organization's history and do them kind of dirty everybody else is going to look at your organization like really questionably and I just think it's like bad business yeah I see people talk about that a lot I think it goes both ways where on one hand yes you want to do that but I think it's more just like from a fandom thing where you want people to have that good relationship to dame and stuff and like you don't want to be known as a fan base of them dirty but in terms of like free agents they're not going to Did Trailblazers either way.

Like, I think I saw somebody make the comparison. I forgot who it was, but it was like when X player got traded last time, they sent him his preferred destination. Did free agents flock to that team? No. They're still portly, you know what I mean? So I see why their position is we're taking the best deal possible. Honestly, I think it's posturing both ways.

I think it's Dame posturing now. Only play for the heat. But for a guy who's so morally stound, morally, stand down as he is he's not going to sit out for what team he gets traded for and for the trailblazers they're going to show him to the heat they just got to act like that so he can get the best hole possible yeah i mean exactly it's it's going to have to come from a three-team deal like that yeah that's that's that's what it's going to be they're not taking tyler hero straight up you know as with him being like the best player in the in the in the um in the package then you only

have like a couple couple straight-up picks that for portland's sake they better be they better being protected. They better be unprotected. If you're, if you are talking about Miami Heat first round draft picks, they are 100% going to be like a very solid team as long as they have damn. Make sure that in the event

that they, that everything flames out, that they don't have any protections and you like fully have control of everything. Or else you're just, you're just putting yourself in a bad situation again. Yeah. I don't think we we've talked about it, but I don't think we talk, like we haven't straight upset for the people

who don't know, Damien Lur has said that he only wants to play for the Miami Heat. He's said that among other teams, but he's made it pretty clear he wants to be a member of the Heat. So if we operate on the assumption that's going to get done one way or another, how is that going to make you view the Heat next year? Championship robust and probably title favorites. It's got to be right. Yeah.

It's either going to be them or Boston, in my opinion. Oh, Boston. Wow. That's interesting. Yeah. You revert those two teams above Denver? Potentially. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the odds might look at them that way. Wow. Okay. Interesting. What about you, Mo? Yeah, no, I don't put them above Denver because I think you're just too much of a well-old machine. But I will say this definitely puts them like they're easily one of the three best teams.

It should be one of the three best teams in the NBA. Don't matter. I'm not going to sit here and fight to death which way you want to put. it or which order you want to put them in but this easily makes them one of the three best teams or one of the two best teams in the eastern conference like they have little to no gaps bam out of bio finally does not have to be the second option that's not what he is sometimes he can do that but that's like if he's your second option you're not gonna you're not a very stout playoff team so yeah well i don't mean they were in the finals but i see what you mean it's

not a recipe for consistent high-level offense to have him be your secondary creator. So getting another guy in there next to Jimmy kind of fixes that. I think if this happens, they're going to be fucking incredible. I can't think of a better-fitting high-level and high-floor trio than Dame Jimmy Bam. Like you have the on-ball perimeter creator, the secondary creator who's just incredible inside-out, then one of the best defensive bigs in the world. That's a dream come true for any fan, I think. Yeah, no, it's going to be amazing.

And, like, if you operate on the assumption that Miami is just going to continue doing what they do, which is just finding guys at 24-hour fitness, LA fitness, and getting them to play at, you know, an all-star level, they're going to be just fine. Like, they operate so well around the margins. And so they're going to be able to pick up anybody and get 20 to 25 minutes out of them and get them in the rotation. So, yeah, like, if that's your big three, and especially if it's Dame and Jimmy, I trust both of them in big moments. is to take and make big shots like the heat have gone to the finals twice in the last four years and haven't really like like you said bam has been the secondary creator for them and that's

not exactly what you want if you have dame who's coming off his best offensive season ever like you are set to go to another level that they probably haven't been to since lebron d wait so i love it yeah i hope it happens i'll start with you moe let's let's look talking about like if and when they get them but you know they might not like maybe maybe the blazers are really about it and they're really going to take the best deal possible and it's going to be a kawai to the raptor situation if that is to be the case what team do you want to see get into the sweepstakes first off quick again i have to repeat that this would be organizational suicide like no one's ever trusting you no one ever wanted to go to you in the first place but um anyways if there was a team

that I wanted Damian Lillard to go to. I don't want to say, like, there's a lot of teams. Obviously, almost every team in the NBA would pick them up easily, but a team that I thought about and that I heard from, I was watching the Low Post podcast, I think it's co-host or him, one of them mentioned the Tauna Raptors, and that's super interesting. I don't think they'll win anything for real,

but it's an interesting team, and it's an interesting fit, and in terms of just, like, big long wings next to, someone like Damien Lur Exposive Point Guard who can shoot from anywhere I'd love seeing that type of basketball being played for 82 games

So there's them Mainly It's just them in my mind I can see what would that deal look like Who would they have to give up to get them It'll have to be Scotty Barnes It starts with him Okay

Yeah You keep OG Well maybe you keep Pascal Fred's gone So he replaces him Can you keep OG or if Scotty OG plus picks Oh no

There's no way You can give a both If you doubt Absolutely not Okay I mean it's Dame So like there is a way But it's how much leverage do they have

I guess that If the Lblazers Had like maximum leverage They could I mean Dames worth both I think Actually I don't know

Maybe not Maybe that is a little A little bit overpay I can't tell Dame is Dame just He just got into his 30s He's gonna be making

$60 million In four years He's kind of old Is like 32 Exactly No, I'm not trading Scotty Barnes and OJNobie plus picks on top of that. Get out of here. Okay.

Another team that I really wanted to see it happen. The second that he, like this rumor got posted, of course I said he had the Miami Heat. You're going to say a little of thinking about. I know who you're going to say. The New Orleans Pelicans. They have a boatload of picks and this is the time to use it. Like, there's no time to waste for real.

Of course, like, oh, wow, do you trade all these picks and maybe Brandon Ingram if he and he's being crude for this deal bro like this is a once in a lifetime type of opportunity and if you have so much assets this is the time to use it and i think you have to you have to roll the dice it's i agree 100% that's the team i was thinking about the only problem is are you going to pair dame back up with c j mccullum like that's oh my gosh that's so awkward but if they can keep ingram somehow and send mccullum out and get assets for him and route those assets over to the Trail Blazers?

Maybe, I imagine the Blazers if they're going to entertain the Pelicans to demand either Ingram or Zion, but if there's a way to flip McCollum for young assets and make it work, Dame Ingram Zion is fucking sensational. That, man, that right, I love, I love that fit. I don't want to say I love that fit more than what the Miami need have to offer, but, like, this is straight up pure basketball, bro. I love that. I love it.

How do you defend? the dame zion pick and roll pray yeah the best hope your best hope to do that is have a bunch of only fans models on the sidelines and stance to confuse high ones there you go other than that you might be

done yeah you either need Mariah Mills or heavenly intervention one of the two oh yeah man nah it's about to get nasty on this pot we got to change top

that's crazy somebody's about to get in their bag Look at the picture Nikiel just pulled up Every Every picture of Zylo's and smiling I will never look at him Ever the same bro

Freak Freak is always That's how I think about It's just so menacing How do y'all feel about The Celtics potentially getting involved You know a lot of people like to Do

A lot of people like to throw out of potential Jaylon Graham Lillard Great transition Do you like a potential Jalen for Dameswap for either team? Love it. Love it. Love it for who? Both.

Well, I love it more for the Celtics, more than the Blazers, because they kind of have a backlog, obviously, when it comes to guards and stuff like that. But I think it wouldn't be, I wouldn't be as a static, but I think you'll be okay with it as a pro-int show, business fan if you had J.B. Bonds, of the more exciting conversation. Dame, Tatum, and Porzingis is a beautiful basketball. That's nice. You got Rob and you got Derek White still. Malcolm Brogden, if he's healthy ever. Like, that's a team. That's a, that's a nice setup.

I don't know if I love it for Portland. Yeah, you want to pay Jalen Brown $300,000 and you're starting a rebuild? Yeah, yeah. That's the timeline just doesn't work for the, them especially but i mean listen if they if they do that move and they potentially like move out simons and then they go full uh sharp scoot and jaylin brown i'd be interested in that i think that they i think that portland has a very big backlog at guard as well and they need to make some decisions and so if you go and you bring jalen in who could play two play three whatever right

you're going to have to also make some room for him to just so that you have like the even spacing of rebuild and then jalen who's winning now bro when now scoop sharp jaylin jeremy grant nurkitch that's a nice team looking not a bad team listen that's a nice 39 wins right there that's what that is they're going to get it anyways it's not good it's not a good team but as far as strong a rebuild they're on your back court it's so a lot a lot of times people they're way they're being rebuilds like be asked for three or four years get like a few top really high picks. If they're just like listen, we've got two top picks that we think are going to be guys

and we want them to be competent at an early age and learn how to win like the Celtics did with Jalen and Tatum, they could do that with Jalen and Grant being the guys to help keep them good. I don't hate that. And I love that. I love that because Jalen's not a type

of player to steal a lot of opportunities from someone like Scoot Henderson. He's like the main focus of their entire rebuild. Chathen Sharp, like, obviously if he pans out, it would be great, but if not, like, it's not the end of the world. So, well, I don't know. Listen, I don't, I don't know about that, right? We don't, we don't think of Jalen Brown in that way because he's been playing next to Tatum this whole time.

You give Jaylen Brown $50 million a year and make and give him his own team. He's taking 25 shots a night. That's what he's doing. And listen, Jeremy Grant is back to being the guy now with Lillers gone. He's the only shots too. Oh, my goodness. That's so gross. That's so gross.

Jeremy Grant plays the most mechanical brand of basketball ever. A bag is so boxy. Yeah, it's disgusting. Oh, man. Yeah, we're going to have a lot to talk about with Dame in the coming weeks. The point of this episode, as everyone sees on title, let's talk about the best and worst deals. So let's move on from Dame for now.

And before we get to those deals, let's talk about James Harding. I don't think we mentioned James Hardin's trade request last episode. Let's do it. Let's do it. What do you think? What do you think about it? So J-Len, for those who don't know, James Hardin opted into his contract with the Philadelphia 76ers with the intent of him being traded.

So as we thought it was going to be his last game played with the 76ers, that was the plan for both sides. But it's been a week, and James Hardin is still a 76er, and now people are starting to wonder, is he going to get traded? If so, to who? Because the leading candidate to trade for him was the Clippers, and apparently they were playing hardball and not trying to give up Terrence Mann or a lot of draft picks. so the market for James Harder is a little weird right now what do you think is going to happen he's going to stay in Philly he's going to stay in Philly nobody wants him

nobody nobody wants him that's when you said you said no no you said that like the market is a little it's a little complicated no it's not existent like it's not like I don't I don't think anybody is knocking down doors to go get James Harden especially coming off the game 7 that he had

knowing the tendencies that he has in, you know, on the floor, off the floor, the way he takes care of his bodies and just like the whole locker room presence of that. I don't think you want to give up a whole bunch of assets to bring that in because like if you feel that you're a step away, James Hardin is not the guy to get you over the home. He should have been that for Philly and in back to back years he's just not, he's not been able to show up at the end of the season. So I don't, I don't know. I think he probably ends up playing for the 60s at the side of the year. Bro.

I saw a tweet. I don't know who was from, but I know it was from a trusted source. Dropping dimes. But I saw something about the Clippers not winding apart ways with Terrence Ross. And in some other trade, I think it may have been related possibly to the Damien Lutter. Yeah, Terrence Man, there you go.

And then also, I heard that the 76ers were not willing to part ways with Tyrese Maxi either. So they're just like, the value is just completely discombobulated from every single angle imaginable when it comes to talking about Hardin and what is a good fit for him. And also, like, what makes sense for the Philadelphia 76's roster and also the potential clippers roster and all that. It's just too volatile. There's no consistency, like Donovan said. You didn't say that, but I'm saying that. And there's no market.

Like what you said, there's literally no market. Yeah. But I don't think there's no market because there'll be wants them. I think the market's where now, because he made it clear he wants to be a clipper or son, and the sons can't do it. So it's kind of like, oh, I'll send him to the clippers in. That's where he wants to be in. Because he's an expiring contract.

So nobody wants to trade for him with assets if he doesn't want to be there because he'll just walk. But you've seen Nikiel put out this tweet. The clippers have been reluctant to include Terrence Man and draft capital in any trade package. They only want to offer players on expiring contracts including Marcus Morris, Robert Covington, and Nicholas Batum. And from their perspective, I get it. If this, we're the only team that's willing to trade for him because everybody else knows he only wants to be for us. Why would we start off offering our gold chip player? But why the fuck would the 70s sixers want expiring contracts when they have joel

and b to keep happy? Exactly. That's and that's, that's the point that I'm making is that because everybody knows that he only wants to go to two places and one of them can't get it done, no, I'm not going to trade for you. The market's just not there. And so now it's just, are the Sixers going to come off of Tyree's Maxie? And if you're going to come off of Maxie, you might as well do it for Dame. Yeah, that's a conversation that Maxis evolved in for sure. Yeah. And so, like, that's the move that that's the move that you end up doing.

And then if it's like, okay, well, we have Dame, I guess we can sell low on James Hardin and go get these expiring contracts, then that would be the move. But it's just, it's not an ideal situation for anybody. And so, yeah, I don't, I don't think, that's why I don't think that James Hardin is going anywhere. It's just, yeah, the market's just not there. But how do they bring him back? Like, unless James Harding himself reconciles and says, I'll come back and do his one last run and, like, buys in, then how do you possibly bring him back and, like, go into the season again with a star next to Joel and B that doesn't want to be there?

Potentially we'll sit out. It's just like the Ben Simmons situation again. And for the team, I need to keep Joel and. Yeah, it'd be horrible And they gotta keep him Joel Levied happy or he's out of there Like I think they're fucked

I think they have to trade I listen For entertainment purposes only I want to see James Harden Start the season on the sixers Just because I want to see How many games it takes For the fat suit to come out

I want Exactly I want to know Five games Ten games into the season When is he going to start looking overweight And then when is he going to get When is he going to

You know Oh my God my hamstring I can't do it can't do it let me know that's that's the only reason why i wanted to start the season with philly basketball is all about manipulation that is what i'm learning who can manipulate oh a hundred percent swindle the fuck out of you these gms these players it's a nasty game out here and hard has been playing the best the game one of the best this tweet and a kill pull up is hilarious I know what I do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it Oh my God

That's funny Yeah Yeah It's not going well I think they have to trim to the clippers But it's going to take a while Because they're going to keep playing hardball on both sides I think we land on

They keep Terrence man out And it's like Norm Powell plus draft picks Plus expirings I think that's going to be the compromise Is that the sickers are at to convince themselves that Norm Powell is going to Norm Powell plus unleashing Tyrese Maxie as a point guard

that's going to be the thing to hold him over I think this probably ends with Joel and Beat out of there but we'll see he's gone he's gone yeah it's hard to see a good scenario where it just works out for them like they're in a horrible situation it's like the 76ers

through this entire process have been screwed with pure bad luck in the most pivotal moments. Is it bad luck or is it bad decision making? A little bit of both for sure.

Could have had Jimmy Butler. Yeah, definitely that. This is happening. Yeah. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. This is only happening because they chose to keep Ben Simmons

because he had his issues and they chose to keep Ben Simmons over Jimmy Butler effectively. Jimmy Butler thinks it's because him versus Tobias Harris but really it was him versus Ben Simmons.

Decisions to not prioritize Jimmy versus Tobler is the root of all these issues it is but like even at the time though to pick ben simmons over jimmy beller wasn't that's not like the craziest thing to see okay with this guy's 23 23 24 years old he's locking up luka on on national tv he's he's all NBA like they legitimately saw that like oh we're gonna be good for a decade like we're gonna we're gonna be just fine yeah well the problem is they thought it that of it that way they could have just kept both I mean, like, it comes down to the fact that they thought it was him or Ben Simmons with Jimmy Butler.

It didn't have to be. You can keep both. You can figure it out. But they were like, want to build around Ben and Tobias Fuss better with Ben than Jimmy does, which was just a nonsable decision. You don't deprioritize Jimmy Butler. It's Jimmy Butler. So was there a way to get out of this situation? What would you do if you guys were Darryl Morey?

I would go to James Hardin's house, bring a lot of honey buns, bring a little baby, try to do whatever I can to make him like me again. And I would say, I'm sorry I didn't want to pay you. Please take this max contract extension. You're rude. They need to give him. The reason James Harder wants to leave is because they didn't pay him enough. They didn't want to commit to him long term. They need to give James Harden that money and give him an extension, which I don't even

know if they can't anymore because they opt it in. They might not be allowed to. So if that's not the case in they can't, they're fucked. But they have to pay James Harding because they're not going to do better. Yeah. If I'm Darry, I'm going home. I'm finding an island to fly to like I'm not doing this right now. I'm not doing this again.

Because again, if you're Darry This is the second time That James Hardin situation Is really messing up your career And I would hope That Darry Moore after this learns his lesson Like he's probably He might have one more team

And James Hardin will be retired for 10 years And he's still going to call up James and be like Yo, can you give me 15 minutes We need a point guard Can you do that for you? James literally gave back millions of dollars Oh last season does that not mean none what about the i scratch your back you scratch my back that didn't happen for sure

no it's very valid why james hardens is upset he whatever he wanted to get requested a trade out of the nets he didn't sign an extension there he could have got a fat deal stay with them and then get traded he did he passed up that money and stayed on his expiring deal and got traded to the sixers last year you got $15 million to bring in daniel house and p j tucker now then now durn more he doesn't want to pay for they don't want to commit to him for four plus years it's understandable why he's beset he's He's lost a lot of money. Yeah. And guess what?

It's understandable why Philly's upset because they're like, we brought you in here so that we could win a championship. And then you in a second week, we haven't gotten past the second round because you, sir, can't do your job in playoff series time after time. So, James, if you want your money, hoop in a game seven. Like, show up, please, in a game seven. Earn it. Take shots and make shots. Like, you just can't be out there looking scared. I know it's like it makes sense it makes sense why they don't want to give him the back because his

sure yeah yeah his play hasn't he hasn't earned it yeah both sides have very valid reasons to why this partnership's coming to a close but i think the sixers have more reason to give in because if they lose him and it makes joel and beat unhappy they have everything to lose exactly hard him might have to get what he wants yeah exactly but even just like thinking long term it's like okay, what if I do re-sign James Harden and give them whatever deal to try to keep Joel and beat happy, what happens when they continuously flop, like, I'd assume that they will. Then you have, like, two old-ass stars who are injury prone, and you can't really get jack anything for them. And so at this point, if I'm Darrell Mori, just call a spade of spade, man.

You're done. You're finished. Go ahead. Just trade everybody and restart the entire process and try to do it like the right way. Wow. You can't, though. You have peak of his powers as well and B. That's what you rebuild for.

Like, it's hard. If it comes down to it, I think they'll probably understand that and agree with you. I'm like, well, it didn't work out. The last GM fucked us. It is what it is. But you got to try to figure out a way to win a Jewel and B. Why he's there? Definitely.

Definitely. Absolutely. Yeah, sadly, this is not 2K in my league. Or else I would have had this team right. Back. Kenny would have had Janus on this team by now. John is Zach Levine 70 wins

And somehow Jalen Brunson or some shit All right man Let's move on to the point of this video The title everyone's here for Let's talk about the best and worst deals done In NBA Free Agency Y'all want to start with the best of the worst

Worst I want to hate I want to hate I'm all about negativity I love it So we all prepared lists of our top five worst deals in NBA free agency. This can be a contract signed or a deal done in this period.

No real qualifiers and the gauge for what's worse can be up to you. Let's go one by one starting from five going up. Mo, you can go first. What's your number five worst deal in free agency? The Portland Trailblazers, you go ahead.

I don't know if you have conversations with Dame Miller or not. Dame Miller probably lied to you and be like, yeah, and did his home me a favor? You got done up the worst way possible. You're paying you dare me cram. $160 million for the next five years. Now, this was an L.

Yeah. Holistically, because we know the, or at least we see and hear the type of person that Jeremy Grant is, give me the ball, I want the bag, I want to be the face, and blah, blah. And so this is not going to end well whatsoever. And you easily have one of the worst contracts in the NBA, because we all know Jeremy Grant is not like that. If you're keeping names still, well, I would you do that, bro. It's terrible.

meme when it comes to legalize bankrupt and I'm the best shout out to Jerry Graham for sure for sure this is also my number five coincidentally we haven't seen his list either so that's funny but yeah it's like it's not their fault but in the day no matter what whose fault it is

it's a pretty bad deal to have on your books for the next five years and you're entering a rebuild in year one yeah the only reason it's not higher in the list for me is because they're going to be able to trade him we'll see what that value is going forward depending on how he looks but it'll be a tradable asset it's just going to be something the thing about going forward,

which isn't nice. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's on my list as well. I think it's, what's bad about this is that one, there's no option, like there's no player option, there's no team option, there's no way to get out of this. This money is going to get paid, and that's crazy. Five years is long. It's a long time.

No, nobody stays together for five years anymore. Like, they're going to go through two eras of Blazers basketball before this deal is done and it's just like it's just so much money that's crazy that's crazy for jeremy great it's just the length the yearly the yearly number isn't that bad this caps can keep going up 10% every year 30 million years a lot of money but he's good and he's tradable but five years such a long commitment like if he's a clutch he's clutch right jeremy probably i don't know probably actually wait no i feel like he has the same agent as dame does he No, I made that up.

I don't even think it's true. But five years are so nuts because next year if they want to trade them, let's see you're the Milwaukee bucks and something's up, Chris still looks like shit and you need to revamp your team. And you know,

Jeremy Grant would fit great next to the Yon. I'm trying to move for him. Four more years on a contract after this year is a crazy commitment for any team in Win Now mode and any team that's not win now mode has no need to pay Jeremy Grant $30 million. So the market's going to be weird for him

because he's good, but that's a long commitment. If this one, If this is a three-year contract, if this is a three-year, oh, he's clutch. Interesting. Yeah, of course. If this is a three-year contract, like, the players just really wouldn't be on my list like that. But this five years is insanely long. Pro, we're probably going to have kids by the time the end of their contract is around. Like, it will be still talking about this. Who's we? Who is we? to be 29 years old damn oh my goodness too i'm gonna be pushing 30 when this ends yeah bro my hairline's gonna be gone by then no this is a this is a jail sentence this is a jail sentence for the Portland trollblazers it's just awful to terrible deal is to be fair he's a good player they're rebuilding around guards so having him as a forward next to your young guards keeping the team competent someone for them to like something like can make shots and

facilitate giving the spacing next to these guys isn't the worst thing in the world. He's not so good that he's going to make them win games. They can still tank with Jeremy Grant. Clearly they did it last year. So in terms of like the money side of the league it's not great but on the court I guess it'll be fine. I mean they

paid him the price of two forwards. They can have two other forwards for one Jeremy Grant. It's just ridiculous. Two forwards make you too good. You want to be bad for your building so maybe it's fine. I like it the only reason why I'm like it's not like the worst the worst the worst is because like i always i always talk about this all the time

in the podcast situational young players blah blah blah and someone like jeremy grant just naturally he plays a good brand of basketball and plays the right way yeah yeah you can say so yeah he plays the right way and he's not like a losing he is kind of he's not a losing player for he doesn't play a loser type of span of brand of basketball so that's just like a he's not going to take away from the young guys they're teaching bad habits in any way this man mo i hear some sirens mo's in the hood

see i'm in the trenches right now y'all guys this is why you guys have to go ahead and like this podcast follow us on top by Twitter and all that buy some merch hey yeah donna where was the jeremy grant deal on your list um it was five

actually yeah yeah it was five so we all got number five i'll give my first number four number four i have the bulls given the Cole of Vucevich, three years, 60 mil. Yeah. We're so aligned right out. That's my four.

Yes, that's my four too. That's my four. What? Yeah. Okay. So, this deal is a similar thing where on the, okay, so Vusovic for 20 million a year isn't the worst thing in the world, but the bulls are in such a state of flux, but committed to him for three more years and continuing to be mid at every chance they get,

knowing lots of balls out for the whole year, and he's the only way they can be good. The only time we saw this core be good is when Lonzo was healthy and really have it being the glue that puts his team together knowing you're not going to have him he might have him ever again his career might be cooked

and you still commit to this core I guess it's better than letting him walk for nothing which I'm typically against but three years man nobody's gonna want to trade for that nobody wants to boost him for three years what is your goal for this team to be mid

that's it's so funny that you said my notes literally just say bulls for committing to mid like that's that that's that's the that's the that's the issue because he's actually getting paid less like on an annual basis than he was on his last year like this is there's actually a win for the for the for the bull's front office and from like a negotiation standpoint oh yeah but they have no yeah but they have no idea what they're doing and they like they have this this Levine yo mo like I need to know what's going on man like the mic can't hear it but it's so funny

Stick your head out the window. I need some journalism right now. What's happening? That's just so loud. It's so loud. Yo, man, I don't know. I don't know what's going on, bro. This is hilarious.

They're probably here. They listen to this crime that the Bulls and their front office has been putting towards their fans of just committing to this. Huge. Don't worry. We have a huge felony. I got a next move later on this list. the people out there probably saw that

this yeah this this deal is just this deal is just wild to me I just I want the I want the bulls to cut everything down because it feels like they're waiting on Lanzo to come back and at this point

like you said like his career is probably cooked like it really is sad what's happened to Lanzo's knee like he's just turned to like yeah it's just like turn to mush but you kind of have to accept hey he's he's not he's not coming back let's let's go get some assets for um for levin let's go get some assets for

the rosen we'll cut this thing down and we'll start we'll start fresh but they just they just refused to do that and they haven't they have not found a way to not be mid since derrick rose tore his aco do they have their picks next year uh you think they have an extra yeah i think they do because you can't trade it two years in a row okay yeah but might be a fix ball out i don't even know I don't even know what the situation is. Yeah, if... Yeah, as well, play and bound. Yeah, maybe.

This is sad for the Bulls. Very sad. Can't wait to see them blow it up, though, hopefully. By the time they blow it up, none of the players will have any value. Yeah, that's the way it goes, sadly. That's crazy. We all have it at four.

Okay, so Donovan, you tell us what number three is. Okay, my number three is along the same lines. I have Yaka Purdle for $80 million. What? And number three, because, and it's the exact same logic, the Toronto Raptors are committing to mid, and they just refuse to do anything in either direction. They just, they, like, Fred walked, and they are not taking that as a sign to blow everything up. They're asking for, like, the house for OJ and Inobie. Everybody in the league has called them trying to get OJ on their team.

They just, they just think he's like, he's the best player in the world. Pascal's there He's chilling You could probably flip him right now And get some decent stuff And then it's like For Jacob They shouldn't

They should have never gotten Yaacob in the first place To go and trade assets To go to go get him Because again they were just mid They were just mid last year They think They still think that they are a Kawhi Leonard away

From winning a championship And they are much much further from that And now that Fred And now that Fred is gone and you don't have anything like you don't have any real motion why are you why are you committing to this kind of money and so that's why I'm just very confused by Toronto on what they're doing okay I don't think this is the same thing at all because one he's not like the core part of their team so I don't think he's

moving the needle any which way and I think because they just traded for him you can't let him walk for nothing that would be bad asset management and the difference why that doesn't apply to Nicola Vucevich is because Vucevich makes no fucking sense on any winning team nobody should want to trade for him Yaqa will be a very easy player to trade. Every team could use a good big that can defend and finish the rim really well. Do you think they're actually going to trade him, though? Because I don't think so.

No, no, no, no. At least not soon. No, you're right. They're definitely committing to mid, like you said. That's not debatable. But I think in the instance that they finally see reason traits Yakum do their thing, Yacca will be very tradable next year. I do not think Yvesant will be tradable.

Yeah, Isaac, you're speaking to the gospel right now. I 10010% agree. I have them on my list, too, but not at that. No, not at that position. Not at that position. But I think a lot of teams look at Jakob as an asset, and regardless, if the Serenraptors will go ahead and make that move and hit the restart button, your release will be given the option two.

Nobody is knocking on your door for Nikola Vusovic in that contract. No one's hitting your line. Your phone is dry. but on the other hand on their underhand on the flip side for the turnar rafters you're still going to have

at least the option and that's all they need bare minimum it's all all organizations need at the bare minimum put yourself in the best position to pivot at any time and they did that

yeah and I don't think at any point in that contract where Yaakov he looked at as a negative asset he's going to be good for the next four years Vucevich can't say the same

yeah he's getting up there in age Jacob is in the prime of his career will be for another contract I for this probably so I in terms of principle of committing to mid I agree they should not be committing to mid but I think this is a deal that works for that and if they end up going down the rebuild path yeah listen the the flight I understand what you guys are saying about about the flexibility but it's it's kind of like what we were saying with dame where it's like hey we're not going to talk about this until we actually see it because you

just don't because you just don't believe that it's going to happen for the raptors I I I just don't believe that that they are going to trade everybody, you know, tear everything down and start for us. And so that's why I'm looking at this. I'm like, you're going to, they're going to have him for at least two years. I would be shocked if he was traded before, you know, the second half of this contract. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I don't hate that. Mo, did you say this was on your list?

Yeah, they're on my list, but. Oh, where was that in your list? They're actually number two on my list. Okay, so you have that on there too, okay Yeah, they're actually number two on my list For a lot of the same reasons I love this episode Yeah, for a lot of the reasons that you guys

You guys reiterated And then I was confused as to why Gary Trent Jr. went ahead and opted in And they signed Dennis Schroeder Which is like a very mad move Which I don't think it was bad But I just overall just don't like the direction That they're headed into

And my honest number three on this list Was the Atlanta Hawks They have Done. Damn, Isaac, what is going on? We're in sync. We're the same list. Yeah, like, I hate this team. I hate everybody apart in this front office. It's like, I'm trying to trust Lingery Fields and I'm trying to see the vision. But if the vision is Big Three, Dejante Murray, Trey Young, and Pascal Seacom, all you're doing is telling me that you play my league and you test it out in real life.

this tell people you didn't tell them the deal that you're talking about reference the deal that you're saying so you just said the hawks yes the hawks yes so they have there's been a lot of talks and chatter about a deal surround being surrendered around i'm assuming maybe guys like a d'andre no what's the deal what's the deal that is on your list of the no vibes there's no deal it's just the vibes of the hawks do you think we're listing teams oh no well right now i'm i'm listening my teams and then also like the non-deals. That's the thing with the Hawks. They didn't make it a real deal.

Obviously like the John Collins thing. The list of making his deals, not teams. Well, I understand that. Like, the deal was like, you know, obviously like the John Collins thing. But like, there's a new deal that probably will happen. I'm envisioning because of both of these teams been hella quiet. And so we only record these once a week, guys. So I have to go ahead and drop these for the future, for the future listeners.

All right. If this does happen, potentially when it does happen or whatever. Like, I just don't like the, the vibes of this organization whatsoever. And this is a very much scramble movement. If you do this, then you literally put your entire organization in a chokehold because you have little to no future whatsoever. So. Okay. Yeah.

That and the whole John Conn's thing was just overall. There you go. I just, why are you trying to open up old wounds? Like, I'm trying to get over this and you're making me talk about it. The point is the list a bad deal. You're talking about a make-believe possible Pascal Ciochardtray. Listen, John Collins was literally my favorite hawk. Okay, I don't like talking about him being trained to the U-Cod's as now.

Fine, then I'll do it. If he was on your team, you would. Okay, go ahead. My number three on this list is the Atlanta Hawks trading John Collins for Rudy Gay in a second round pick. I think this deal was abhorrent. This is absolutely horrible management. they should have either kept him or traded him a year ago,

maybe two years ago when he was on the trade block for the first time because they've known for years they didn't want to build around John Collins and the reason they had to finally get rid of him

is because after years of dangling him for every team and saying it's going to take two first-owned picks and a young star nobody wanted him and now with the second apron coming in

if they would have kept them they had paid luxury tax and ended up losing out on some team-building things so they essentially salary dumped John Collins for nothing Rudy Gay, who is an irrelevant contract at this point.

And, yeah, they waited too long, and now they squandered a former lottery pick, a guy that could have netted you assets that help you continue to build around Trey Young. And it's just bad team. It's just bad low management. Yeah, Nikolpil pulled up a tweet of mine. It says, a salary dump for nothing in return. Hawks fans are in hell. That's only way to describe it.

Absolutely. And I feel like, I don't know, we just have to be Hawks fans. And specifically, not even Hawks fans. The front office needs to be really real with themselves, and if you don't have an idea of what's actually reality, look around to see what everybody else is talking about, and then you'll be on the same wavelength. We were over here. Who the hell let some intern? Go ahead, take a picture, or use a picture of KD and John Kahn's and say MVP versus, like, future MVP or whatever. God, good grief, man.

That's just like, that's just like, I'm sure this has, this is not related, but at the end of the day, in my mind. it's related this is so so much like and hope and how how he valued we we had john collins and it's just sad yeah this team and like the deal itself this team won't be worse next year for getting rid of john collins like they'll be fine on paper but it's just one less asset and when you're a team that's already like you have your core in place you've already done your all and move for jonte murray you only have so many ways to improve so to lose an asset that made a lot of money a cornerstone of your franchise you can't replace that like that's a big wound that's gonna lower their ceiling of what they can build around trey young in the coming years so yeah man

i get it but it's just bad donovan was this on your list what's up was this on your list no this this is the first one that was different okay so you don't think it's a horrible deal no no it's it's bad but like no it's definitely bad i um to be honest it slipped my mind right No, I've been so focused on, like, the last three days. Gotcha. Three, four days. Okay. Well, that's fine, then.

We can move on. We all have our, so five, repeat where we are so far. My number five was the Jeremy Grant deal. Four was the Vucevic deal. And three was this trade. Mo, your list was exactly the same. And we had your number two was the Voscovic contract. I mean, the Yacopoto contract, which is your number two.

Oh, my number two was the Hawks. I mean, the Raptors. Yeah. Yeah, the Yakopoal contract, right? Yeah. This man just wrote teams. Yeah. I wrote teams, I wrote teams, but I already had, like, the moves made, because I remember it.

All right, Donovan. What's your list so far? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, so I had the, I had Jeremy Granite at 5, the Vood's due at 4. and then Yaakov at three. Okay. So what's your two?

At two, I also, I'm laughing at Mo, but I also just have a team. But specifically, it's the Pistons for trading for Joe Harris. They only traded two, they only traded two second round picks. So like, it's not crazy. But for that to be like the move for the Pistons and for them not to do anything this offseason like free agency wise, I think that that is ridiculous. I really think that the Pistons are happy being trash Because because it's like Kate is coming back

You drafted a SAR Jaden Ivy is taking another step Now it's about that time to like Moe disagrees Mo we have a tweet here that says not a lot of people gonna care but the pelicans had amazing moves man Pushing play in. Okay.

And I replied with a tweet of Shaq sleeping. Mo, I will tell you right now, if you ever want to see that $100 again, let's bet, let's bet right now. I bet you the Pistons will, they will not see the playing. They're not going to see the in-season tournament. They're not going to see summer league. They are not going to be competitive next year at all. And they will finish in the bottom three of the conference. Double and nothing, take it.

double what you think i'm you owe me my money you owe me my money all right and i haven't received you told me that you were going to go ahead and pay me by pennies i haven't received jack nothing you know you have my memo cash at PayPal whatever it is i'll send you my p.l box dude like i like i like i i've received gold payments i told first off i told you the day after the the the i told you the day after the bet was like concluded you will never see that money okay that has never hit in your inbox you're never getting that so but if you if you want a chance to see it double to nothing right now if i want a chance to see if you want to see your original hundred bet this hundred right now this crazy manipulation but deal i'm in right now no but

please please tell me why do you think the pistons had a good offseason because i just don't seat division. They have nothing to lose with trading for Joe Harris, who's much needed in that position. Of course, everyone loves and needs an extra shooter. And then on top of that, they went ahead and I think they signed

Monta Morris from the Washington. Or did they trade for him? I don't remember. I think they traded for him. Yeah, they traded for Monte Morris. And so that you immediately eliminate one of the worst positions in the NBA, one of the worst players in the NBA and Kelly and Hayes from your rotation and that makes you so much better of a team and so I love seeing

teams like them they're actually like one of my best off seasons because of because of this best off seasons yeah I like I appreciate things like this I'm not on the best offseason wave but Donovan what did you want them to do they have their point guard they have their shooting guard in I being Cade they have a SARS or small forward they have Bowie on as a power forward Duren is her center They have Monty Morris is their backup one Joe Harris back to

I want him to go Go go do something Like like for real Like like in free In free agency Right The draft Who's going to Detroit

I'm like First off First off Let me say something Jeremy Grant Just got $160 million If you pay anybody They will go anywhere

Okay Don't tell me about He's going where So that's one That's one That's one What do they have What is you're in a young team?

I would I I would have liked to see them potentially make a run similar to what Houston did and listen it's oh my god you're saying that I'm saying that I'm saying that we will talk about Houston later but Houston was involved in a lot of these talks and they are they were going out to get adults in the room and I think that that's a very like underrated thing when you're talking about rebuild and when you're talking about the pistons Kate is still young Ivy's young you just drafted assar thompson there's not a i know you have you have a boy on there you need more more adults and i think that they could have made a play because i like i like their core a lot

and i think that you can actually speed up their timeline if you get some more veterans in there i don't think that joe harris does that i i think that joe harris is actually like not a good basketball player right now and so where though like they have a one two three and five solidified you just wanted them to get veterans on the bench like on the on the like what DeAndre jordan move you if if they go ahead and did that like are you serious right now like what deals tangibly

did you want them to do who did you want them to sign I'm gonna be real I don't have a name off the time no no because like I just I just don't but I'm looking but I'm looking back that's not that's not my job to run the pistons but like I'm looking back

I'm looking back on it and this entire like week of free agency it felt really, really quiet for the Pistons. That's a team that I had high hopes for them going into kind of going into last season and then Kate ends up getting hurt. And then they seem to have slowed down a lot of the momentum. And I think that if they would have made one of these like splashes or going to get a veteran, you probably could have kept pushing things forward.

I think that they're really stagnant right now. And that's that's one of the reasons why I'm just not rocking with it because I don't think that the direction right now is, it's not positive. I want, I want it to be more positive. Again, I like Asar a lot and I think that he's going to be really, really good. If we're just talking about free agency, I think they could have done a little bit better or found something else outside of Joe Harris. It's weird to seeing Joe Harris's name as the marquee move, you know? You wanted them to sign Dylan Brooks. Yeah. You wanted Dylan Brooks in the trade, didn't you? No, I actually didn't. I should. You need a Dylan Brooks.

in Detroit, I know it. I actually didn't. I actually didn't. Well, it depends. It depends. Things could have gotten interesting. They couldn't got, they couldn't got,

and be, listen, that would have been so nasty. Before I, okay, while we're here, because I just want to speed up the,

this topic here real quick. I have the Rockets at one for my worst deal. Oh, really? Yeah. Giving Dylan Billenberg's $80 million is ridiculous. I don't care how the,

I don't care how the contract is set up. I don't care if it's mad incentive lady. I don't care. Having Dylan Brooks and $80 million in the same sentence is assinine.

It's crazy. Last podcast, I said that I wanted to see someone like Dylan Brooks on the Houston Rockets, and it happened, and I don't have them on this list. But for that number,

right? For that number, it's crazy. If we're talking about Dylan Brooks to Detroit or something like that, if it had been anything less, it is completely,

completely okay. But for $80 million, what? That's a year. For Dylan Brooks? I mean, that's, he's a high quality defensive wing, which costs a lot to get a top tier perimeter defender. His offense is his offense. He's not a very good, he's not a very good offense player. I'll tell you that. I agree. But it's kind of the Fred Van Bleak thing where they had the money to spend. They have a ton of of fucking young players who are eventually going to come up and take that spot. They're not losing anything by paying Dillon Brooks.

They're not losing flexibility. It's not like there was a different offer the way they could have spent that money out there. Like there was no net negative here. You are paying Dillenbrook. It is the, this one is 100% the optics. You are paying $80 million to have Dillian on your team. You say $80 million.

It's $20 a year. For this, right here. You pay $80 million for this. You make things sound so much worse than it actually. It's so stupid. It's like you all. already have what are they what are they paying for right here in the pocket right here in the pocket they the rockets for the past like two years have been one of the most unorganized

franchise they are trying to they are trying to go in the right direction you hire e-may you have fred van bleat right you get those you get those adults in the room and then the other adult is dylan brooks mr i poke bears I poke bears. I don't respect anybody until they give me 40. And then LeBron gives him 40. And he doesn't talk to the media. He doesn't do any of that stuff.

Coming off of what he came off of, it still blows my mind that he has, that he's going to get paid $80 million. Listen, I understand that. I understand that. But we have to remember, this dude was an all NBA defensive player.

I agree with you. When it comes to outside of the court, court stuff. Well, yeah, especially. No, it's not outside.

It's on the jailing green. It's the goon. It's like paying that it's like I don't know. It's, it's,

it's, you're paying for Lance for like prime Lance Stevenson antics and just like shot chucking. And shot, five defender on the

position. Like he's a really good defensive player. That matters. Yes. On the court. He's going to get a spot taken. And then you're going

to have to do it on the bench making $80 million dollars. It's a really. crazy. It's crazy. It's like $80 million. It's not $80 million a year. Oh my God, man. They're paying him $80 million a game. It's crazy. I don't understand it.

No, I just don't like it. I don't like it. I get it. I mean, I don't love the deal either. I made a TikTok about it. I gave it like a C grade. I think it's, eh, I wouldn't pay that much, but they have money to blow, so who gives a shit? I don't think it's a top five worst deal. I definitely don't think it's the worst deal signed in free agency. But it's not great. awful. I have to bring it my number two. My number two

is the Knicks trading Obie Toppin for two second round picks. Yeah, that was trash. I think this is fucking stupid. That was trash. This is horrible. This is like the John Collins thing

except Obi-Toppan is younger, cheaper, has more potential and has more reason to keep him, but Tom Thibodeau just said, nope, I don't like that guy. He's never going to play a minute for me. Not when I have Julius Rand

will play 48 minutes a game. so Obi-Nob had a chance and other Knicks got rid of them for nothing. They invested a top 10 pick and got nothing in return. And the patience is for the patience to steal. Like this is great.

This is just embarrassing asset management. Like nobody's talking about it, but I think it's awful. Yeah, I agree. No one's talking about it. People will talk about it by the time November, December, December. I mean, they won't.

They will. They will. Those highlights are going to be crazy. They're going to be crazy. Are you kidding? I'm saying this, I'm saying this as a scorned X right now. Obie Top been not going to do anything

He's not going to do anything His career would die in Indiana Maybe But the fact that the Knicks never had Give him a chance to see what he can do And got room for nothing It's just embarrassing process It's not even about the result

The process is just horrible No yeah that's true Also you guys are right He's playing with Tyreus Like they are going to get out and run And he's going to be 3-6 and windmilling Off of Alley Oobes It's going to be ridiculous

And he's actually a stretch five Like it's going to eat Like it's going to be so good He's going to be holding it down until Jaris Walker's ready to start. It's going to be great. Shout to them, bro. Adds, add them, or the Knicks as number one, two in terms of, like, worst moves made. That one specifically.

And I'm 10% agree. Like, him having that open space and also, like, finally the opportunity to play with someone who actually specializes in the type of stuff that Ovitopin excels at, it's going to be phenomenal. And having Miles Turner by his side and then, you know, Bennett Math and Tyre's house. Like the infrastructure, the infrastructure is just set up beautifully for him to excel over there. I love it. Yeah.

It's tough, man. So that's your, that's your number one, worst deal too? Yeah, for the Knicks. Absolutely terrible. Okay. Okay. For the best deals, I need you to pick specific deals, not teams. Oh, yeah.

No, I wrote specific deals because I forgot some of them. And so I can go ahead. And kick this off. I didn't give him a number one yet. Oh, you didn't? Go ahead. Oh, I thought the next was your top. No, next is number two. Okay, what's your top one?

The number one worst dealing free agency is the Charlotte Hornets bringing back Miles Bridges on the one-year $8 million deal. Oh, yeah. That shit is embarrassing. They said we're not going to sign you for a year because you're a piece of shit and a year passed and they're like, oh, well, maybe not. Maybe if you come back and score 22 points a game, we'll let you come through. that is embarrassing

It's embarrassing for the Hornets It's embarrassing for the league And anybody who employs Miles Bridges next year Should be embarrassed to themselves Yeah, no man Like I don't know what they were thinking

He sounds like 20 games On the suspension left too right Yeah As in 20 or 10 I can't remember the number But yeah he's gonna come back Play for $8 million a year Average 23 points a game

And next summer someone's gonna pay him And it's gonna be embarrassing for the NBA Yeah The NBA NBA and the Hornets Drop the ball completely with this one. I have no idea how this is even possible.

They just let him get away for free. Well, he missed a whole year and missed the whole year of pay, so it's not for free, but I think you should miss an entire career, so that's fine. Mo, what is your number five best deal signed in free agency? No, that's crazy. Yeah, so number five, we don't have to talk about it too much, but it was the Detroit Pistons.

I felt like we're starting to see a slight shift in the league where a lot of people see the value in having, or a lot of young teams specifically, see the value in having vets surrounding the locker room, and that happened. And yes, it's not the most fun thing or the flashiest move to happen, like, whatsoever. It's easily one of the most boring things, but it's pivotal and incremental in terms of what happens behind the scenes that translate onto the court. so this has to be like one of the better moves this off season for me from the which move you just said the pistons which one oh yeah the g them them i'm getting joe harris and also monte morris god pick one i know it's no it's both it's a package deal no i love the idea as a whole he can't make you big one okay donovan what's your number five um I have, it's a tie for number five, so I'm trying to decide which I want to go with.

I'll go with this one. I like Coos' deal a lot. I'm very happy for, I'm very happy for Coos. Wow. It's a good deal. I respect it. Listen, four years, $102 million for Washington. I think that that's one of those situations where if, if it, like, if it works out, cool.

It's also a very tradable contract. For Coos, you end up getting paid as well. Like, I think it's just a win-win for both sides. and I yeah I just really like it it was just a very solid deal and so I have that as number five I respect that yeah I didn't put him on here I just kind of just like me I feel like that's a good value for him it's appropriate so I don't see it as like a steal or anything but yeah for a team that can't let him walk it's a totally tradable contract and good value for a young guy I like that for both sides yeah they did exactly what they were supposed to do W and you compare that to what

the trailblazers are playing for Jeremy Grant who's like the same caliber player it's kind of a steal yeah absolutely you're right about that now the way you framed it yeah my number five I have the Los Angeles Lakers signing Gabriel Vincent for three years

33 million dollars that's good this can't be hard than five I think it's like a lower tier of these great deals signing the off season because he is just gay Vincent you know he's a streaky player he doesn't have the Miami Power friendship anymore so his shooting is going to be streaky in the Lakers still

but for a team that found themselves at the end of last year when they traded for all that depth got rid of Russ to bring all those guys back and then add a guy that gave to the rotation to build on top of what they already had for that price only $11 million a year

that's not a big commitment that's fantastic DeLo was kind of unplayable in a lot of the playoffs because his shot wasn't falling and he just wasn't he was not doing well in the flow of the offense you can't deal with that with Delo

because his defense fucking sucks so if he's not killing it on offense he's unplayable for everything Gaye Vincent lacks his inconsistencies in offense at times he's a really good point guard defender last year they had to treat Dennis Schroeder like he was Gary Payton because he's the only guy

they had that could defend ones he was out here trying to lock up Steph Curry in hell and Gabe Vincent can fill that role as a point of attack defender defending most point guards that aren't too big for him so I think it's just a really versatile player to add into their he's not versatile himself but he gives them ability to put out versatile lineups into the rotation

what was a beautiful move by them I love it. They're on my list, too. I have them as package, though, Isaac. You need to pick one. You don't understand the point of this segment. Pick a deal. Oh, I'm not picking one.

God, stop trying to confine me. What are you talking about? Let him cut. Number two on my list. Or I'm sorry, number two. Number four on my list. The Memphis Grizzies going ahead and deciding to sign Derek Rose. He's on babysitter John Morant duty.

As you alluded to blast up. So with Marcus Mark Donovan, this is the exact same type of move. And you literally can't name a single NBA player who's more better suited for this exact type of job. He rose, he went to college over there in Memphis, same exact type of archetype as John Moran. And also he has had some ties and things in his past that he's been able to get away from and flourish throughout his career and stuff like that. So I think this is like he's the perfect type of. Why are you like Crazy way to frame that

But I know what you mean He's done with adversity Exactly Exactly He got He's done with diversity And he knows how to get out of The spotlight

Which is exactly what John Moran needs That's true He did happen He has the PR team contact That's it That's it That's it That's all true

That's all true Yeah. Yeah. I get that. That makes sense from a team-building perspective. Their biggest need

is to get John Morant under control and Derek Rose can be a mentor for him. I totally respect that. It's like the nuggets keep bringing back to Andre Jordan despite the fact that he sucks at everything because clearly

he's a presence in the locker room. I didn't put this on my list because Derek Rose is very good of basketball anymore. But from a mentorship, team-building perspective, I can see the value. Veterans are important again

in 2023, 2024. I love that, bro. Yeah, definitely a running theme here. Adults in the room, like Donovan would say. Yeah, yep, yep. What's your number five? Donovan, did you say number five yet?

Yeah, I said five. We're on the number four then. Yeah. What was five again? I forgot. The coups deal. Oh, Coos do, that's right. Okay.

Yeah, what's number four? Number four, again, package deal. This is really where I just started putting in teams, but the package deal for the cab. He was just like me because he was trying to hide it. Yeah, look, you're terrible. No, no, it's literally the exact same thing. But number four, specifically for the Cavs to get Max Truce.

We talked last episode in terms of like what the, what the calves need. And we're like, just get anybody who can play small forward and shoot threes. And they did that perfectly. They got Max Trues, who is a three-point shooter. It's fine that he isn't like some, you know, all-world defender. You have, you have Mowgli and Allen in the back end for that exact reason. Now, it's going to be tough because you do have Garland and Miner. Mitchell and Shrews and so it's like listen those

Mowbly and Allen are going to be working overtime to defense at the at the rim but you needed somebody to make people pay whenever your guards break down godly whenever your guards break them down and so Struis is exactly that they did the same thing

with Nying I think they had a great offseason and but yeah I really like that deal that's cool yeah I don't really see him as like the immediate three because he's about like six four six five and for the reason you said when you were have a small backcourt, but he's great to have the rotation for sure. Like, there's going to be plenty of lineups where he's useful.

They don't always have Demich and Garland on at the same time. Anytime only one of those guards on the court, you can have Struce out there to pair next to him. Last year, when one of those guys sat, they didn't really have a strong two to put next to him. It was a lot of Jetty Osman, Lamar Stevens. So being able to have Struz as, like, at worst, a really good six man there. I like that. It's an immaculate move. All right.

That's cool. I like how we all disagree. It's a good deal. I guess I'll go number four now. Number four, I'm going to go Nause-Reed three years, $45 million deal. That's the number four. We talked about it because it broke before last episode. It's an absolute steal.

$15 million a year for Nause-Reed, who I think with the right playing time, will prove to be easily a starting caliber center, a high-quality starter, not an all-starring thing, but a really good starter. I think it's a steal. And it's weird on one hand to pay another center when you're already paying Rudy Goubert and Kat a bazillion dollars, but couldn't lose them for nothing. And it gives you the flexibility that inevitably they're going to blow this shit up

and they're going to trade one of those star centers. So when that happens, you have Nasree to step in and get more minutes. I think there's nothing you could possibly want them to do differently with this deal. Yeah, I love it. It's on my list, too. What number is it? It's three. Okay, so it's your next one.

Okay. What about you, Mo's on your list? Nice. No, it's actually not on my list. I just thought they kind of did like a no-brainer type thing. So I didn't want to reward that. But instead, what I did want to reward is the Indiana Pacers. Of course, Pagio thing, Obitop, I've already talked about that.

But I want to lean more towards Bruce Brown in this conversation. This was an immaculate deal, having someone who is announced cash championship DNA and his championship savvy and his exact type of connecting piece to have alongside Tyrese Hallibur and Miles Turner. and all those guys, young guys. I think it's an amazing deal. He got not an outrageous bag, but he got a good bag. And so this will just do nothing but help speed along the rebuilding process or retooling process of the Indiana Pacers.

So they're looking pretty deep right now. Their potential starting lineup could be Tyrese, Bruce Brown, Benedict, Obie Toppin, and Miles Turner. That's fantastic. Yeah, I'm looking at this graphic and the killed just pulled up. This is a team, man. This is, that's so many good players.

I know. They're legitimately 10 deep. Assuming Jaris Walker's good. There are nine deep of good players. Isaiah Jackson's cool. He count him as a 10th. Like, this team is depth. They're going to have soon hit a little of a log jam

where I think they're going to have to trade some of these guys, especially in that second unit. Buddy Hill probably has to leave to free up some minutes. But yeah, that's a great move. $20 million a year. Essentially is a one-year deal because the second year is unguaranteed

or actually think it's a team option one of those so yeah it's kind of like the rocket situation where they have a lot of cast space

got to give it to somebody I like it perfect to give it to I like it too this is actually my number two deal so yeah

moving on the list okay we're flying flying through these lists yeah I didn't put it on there I think it's it's a lot of money it's worth it for them because they have

like I said nobody to give them money to they might as well give it to Bruce Brown but I don't think it's like a huge steal in terms of price. I think he's worth 18, 20 million on the high end. Yeah, especially if you're living in Indiana, dude, you have to pay him that money. What else you go to keep him entertained? Absolutely. They overpaid for the market. The market

was a mid-level exception. He went here and not the Lakers because the patients were willing to offer more money than he's probably worth. So good. It's a good idea that they overpaid, but they did still maybe overpay a little bit. So I think it's a fine deal, but not one of my top five, but I undoubtedly love this team now with him in it. Absolutely. I'm just, I keep looking at this lineup that Nikola has pulled up. This team is awesome. Are they going to be a playoff team next year?

Yes, they will. For sure. Guaranteed. Are they going to be a top 16? I don't know. Yes, they will. That could be their ceiling. Top five is their ceiling in my mind.

Is this going to be next year's kings? But listen, they were. Depends on Bennett and Mathrin, how good he is. Before Tyrese got hurt. Yeah, this could be the four or five seat. I wouldn't be crazy shocked. Yeah, I think it honestly, like, I know Tyrese is going to ball out. Miles Turner is going to do Miles Turner things.

That's what he does. Obie Topping, you can just envision the leap that he's going to be taking. But Bennett and Mathyr in my mind is, like, you could say the X factor and just how good he's going to be during his second season because he definitely had the cool off moment and he was, like, absolute gas the first 15 games of his career. I think you saw like 40% from three and then things just went downhill from there So it really just depends on him

On how good they'll be But I think regardless the fact like they'll be I'm an amazing team So Yeah it'd be great All right My next deal my number three Is the Clippers trading for KJ Martin

For two second round picks Wow You could argue this is That this could be one of the worst deals NBA sicko right here That was a great deal Love it Yeah

You can say this is one of the worst deals for the Rockets because it's kind of similar to the Obie Topping thing where they gave away a good player because well for this different though because they knew he was good they just didn't have room in the rotation anymore because they brought in all the veterans so they just couldn't give Kate you requested for a trade last year yeah yeah we got any requested trade so he was on his way out eventually but he's way better than two second round picks value and he's going to come in and be a fantastic ad for the clippers who have depth but it's mostly small guys so to have him come in and be like a four

can play three with some lineups who provides just speed verticality solid defense can move I think he's gonna be a fantastic addition to the bench and the common NBA public doesn't know about KJ Martin

because he was riding away on the god-awful rockets for the last couple years but in a few months when the season starts it's going to start up they're going to see him catching lobs and doing great things

and they're going to be like how did the clippers get another really good player they never stopped getting good players and it's going to be great Yeah I'm watching He's crazy

They have one of the Yeah They have one of the When it comes to making trades They easily have the best Core group of people In the entire NBA I have to say

Like they always just find these super They always just pick up these super Low investment deals That end up paying off in the future But then there's also other times Where they just completely drop the balls But when it comes to doing specific stuff like this They're amazing

Oh yeah If it's one thing about the clippers, they're going to make a deal. They will make a lot of deals, and most of them will work. Yeah, man, there's a really high level for an office. Right. I get, that's my 5, 4, and 3. We have Donovan's 2 as well. Moe, did you give you two yet?

Nope, I did not. My number 2 was actually the Houston Rockets and given that deal to Fred Van Bleet and also, what's his name? Don't say it. Yeah, Dylan Brooks, for sure. I think they definitely like I think that can't be part of your best strategies they can't they can't be part of the best it has to be I I know a lot of people are against

but I am going against the grain because when it comes to just yeah we need some people in locker who don't play that shit on the court because Dylan Brooks definitely played that shit off the court they did the exact perfect type of dudes they put the exact exact exact exact exact exact type of dudes that they need around Jalen Green, Alfred Sengoon, Jabari Smith, and all those dudes. Like, and paying them out this amount, paying them out this amount, what the hell am I talking about? Paying about this amount. Saying him out this amount.

He's not correct to himself. This is crazy. He has that retainer in right now. I just know it. Bro, worst part about it, ain't no retainer in, bro. I'm just down bad. The comments think you have racist. It's funny.

Yeah, so, bro, they did exactly what they were supposed to do. I know what's a lot of money, it looks terrible on paper, but it will pay off and it will help them kickstart into a positive direction and have actual positive progression. And I think they'll just turn it around, bro, in terms of where they're heading to. Now, yes, the shooting percentages was ugly. I don't expect it to be any, like, really that much prettier. But overall, I want to look at the effect and impact that they have on Jalen Green, Sengoon, Jabari Smith.

That's what I want to see improve. And they'll help that. I like to Fred Van Vlee won a lot more than Dylan Brooks one. Thank you. I do, too. A lot of people were saying, like, this is going to be the worst duo we've ever seen. Why are people acting like they're a fucking duo? These guys are not the duo.

They're the stopgap to help the young players emerge into being the duo. The duo is Jalen Green and a men Thomas. and, I mean, yeah, Men Thompson, and Javari Smith, like, those are the core guys who are supposed to be the future stars. People are acting like these are the one-and-two option when they're just not. Like, no one's deciding Dylan Brooks to be the cycle. He's just the guy. You're paying over the next four years. Oh, my God.

If you say the number, I'm going to scream. God. You're paying $50 million for both Fred Van Blee and Dylan Brooks. Well, you're paying 60 in a year. True. That's ridiculous. that's ridiculous this is nasty

it is what it is it needed to be done the numbers are irrelevant the numbers are irrelevant it needed to be done no it doesn't it didn't it didn't have to what would you have done what would you have done

what would you have done I would have paid Fred I would have paid Fred I would have given $80 million to literally anybody else other than Gillenberg to come to pay three what do you know

if we're just with the fredman fleet trade i like this being the top five that's cool yeah i think i combined yeah well yeah i like the friend of fleet trade that can be top five it kind of feels like they did not even take a second to gauge the market value of dillen brooks like at all i honestly thought he would probably get like maybe close to a mid-level exception 15 16 top 17 million a year but it sounds like hey like this number sounds good let's just throw it them they did it but hey they have money and they're allowed to be sort of reckless when it comes to these type of deals. The contract also isn't 20 million a year.

It's front loaded. So the first show he'll get 30, then like 27, it goes down. So in the last couple of years, when Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, all these guys are really good. And Dylan Brooks on the bench, they're going to be paying him like 13 a year. And the cap's going to go up like three times from now. So the deal won't be bad in the future. But for this year. When Dylan Brooks is seen 37% from the field

And he's making 30-something million dollars Everybody's gonna be looking around and just like dang And he's gonna be walking into the arena Listen it's hot here in Texas What is he'll be doing? He's in your city now Donovan I'm sorry Now I see why you're gonna have to deal with that I'm pulling up to the arena I'm pulling up to the arena

I'm gonna watch these games But like it's it's just crazy It's crazy That's funny Alright let me give you guys my number two deal My number two deal is the Clippers Once again Residing Russell Westbrook for two years

$8 million I think we all agreed That last year when Russell Westbrook Was the Los Angeles Laker He was fucking awful He was a bad player He was not good But I think we also agree

We also agree that when he went to the Clippers He was really fucking good He reinvented him Not reinvented He refound himself, and once again was proven to be a very useful NBA player that you put him around players that fit him and he can do his thing again. We saw him in the playoffs, carry that team when they were down bad with injuries. Didn't carry them far. They got their ass whooped, but he was on the court keeping them afloat as best as he could, and he clearly showed he still has it.

So to get him back for four million a year, I think that's fantastic value for them. Clearly there was no market for him, so he probably could have got a little bit more, but I, I also believe that he saw that he fits the Clippers and wanted to stay there and rebuild his value further. So he sacrificed short-term money to try to get a big contract next summer. Good. Good for him. But the Clippers, they get a steal for $4 million next year. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's good for them.

Like you said, if you're the Clippers, you're going to make a deal. And this is one of those things where it, even though they're like Westbrook's name is big, this is a deal around the margins. And they're doing pretty well. and if Paul George and Kauai could stay healthy for any amount of time then they can actually do something but this is really good for them though I like it

yeah and if it results in a big payday for rest on the road cool don't really care in the short term it's a steal I just wonder I know it's a two year deal I didn't see the specifics does the rest of a player option next year is that why he did two years and not one I'd assume so

Maybe. I didn't see the details either. Either way. I've cloned on Russ Wharton, anybody, but he's worth $4 million a year. I'll tell you that. Great deal. Great deal. Good deal.

Yeah, this tweet, Nikolshundar now, Dylan Brooks gets 80 million. Russell Westbrook gets eight, and the NBA's crazy. Who would you rather have next year? Russ or Dylan Brooks? That's like Stalin versus Hitler, mean vibes. Oh, my God. I'm taking Russell Westbrook. For four, well, for $4 million, I'm definitely taking Russ.

If they're both even, nobody was getting paid anything, who would you rather have? I'd rather that, Russell, personally. For Vives. Okay, so the Rustdale does have a player option, that makes total sense. He can take the bed on himself, continue to rebuild his value, and next year you get paid big. I like that. Yeah, great move by both sides. Russ personally and also agreed.

So, now is the time we're talking about our number one. Best deal this offseason. Well, I have to go ahead and give it to the Los Angeles Clippers, or Lakers, for retaining Austin Reeves for that deal. Four years, 54 or 57, something like that, $1,56. $56,000, there we go, $56 million is insane. Mr. Mojo, you're never going to believe this? That is also my number one. Why am I not surprised?

Yeah. Love it. That's funny. Yeah, they are phenomenal, bro. Like, my honestly, when I saw this deal happen, initially, I saw, I think Danza Russell got, first it was Gabe Vincent, then it was like Danza Russell, and now I'm like, damn, do they have enough money to go ahead and pull this off of the AR or what? And they actually ended up doing it and no other team, I guess, I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know the X's nose and we're not behind those conversations. But for them to do this with the quickness, too, that they were. able to get it, get it done in. I think it's phenomenal. He's a semi. He's like 25th, semi-ish young player. He's a good building block.

He showcased how good of an NBA player he was during the playoffs and also this entire, basically this entire year when he started to get more trust from LeBron and the AD. And they know it's like, oh, damn, this white kid actually got some sit in his bag. We should probably go ahead and give him the ball more. Like, this is fundamental. And this will help turn around the Lakers into, I'll, also it'll just help him turn around as a whole pro

yeah for sure the team turned around last year when they gave him the ball like you said so to continue to empower him going forward to continue to grow with his team for 14 million a year it's a no-brainer that's a steal people were talking like are the spurs

gonna offer him 100 million and force the liquors to match apparently fucking not apparently nobody was brave enough to nobody wanted to mess the lakers because they knew they'd match they didn't want to tie up their cap space so it's honestly in two years when the cap keeps going up It's going to look at one of the best deals in the NBA. For that point alone, the fact that nobody matched and they were able to,

I mean, nobody offered him anything and they were able to just give him the typical extension, elite deal, easily number one for me. You're not going to believe this. This is also my number one deal. Wow. Let's go. It's the best deal. It's the best deal that this happened.

It's ridiculous. I'm shocked. I honestly think that his agent should be fired because, Like, after seeing the reaction and everyone's like, dang, like, you only got 56 million? Like, yo, you should have had $100 million. And it's wild that the Lakers were able to get this amount of a discount for Austin Reeves, who was balling. Like, you guys already said it off, but it's just, it's still just very shocking that it actually went down like this. So, listen, shout out to Polinka, who has completely turned the narrative on how.

of the GM he is after after year one people were saying that he was the worst GM ever and now he's looking like a genius so they they did that thing now outside of stupidly training for Russell Westbrook because he was pressured to do it by star players he's been pretty rock solid for his entire tenure like he's been legitimately top tier GM yeah shout to them man shout out Polenko the Lakers are easily the winners this off season right I have two deals in his top five from them I think they had the, if we were ranking teams like Mo wants to do, would the Lakers be like undoubtedly the number one offseason team?

For sure. They retained so many of their core pieces and then also added in Gabe Vinson and then T.P. Torian Prince, who was like a Hawksledgin in my 15-year-old mine. So I love... We're calling Toyin Prince an additional nickname? Huh? We're giving Torian Prince an initial nickname? Well, that's what I just call him, dude.

He deserves that? What happened to the game I love? Tori and Prince? Come on, man. Look, man, Hawks fans are nasty, bro. I used to go ahead and call that man, Paul Mills at P. Millie. Like, I'm disgusting. Don't ever have a conversation with me about basketball, for real, bro.

Pee Millie. Yeah. He really is crazy. Yeah. Those are our lists. We've got the best deals and the worst deals in the league. I'll show them both on the screen right now, both the top fives

I like it It wasn't the most eventful Offseason But it was Well it's not over yet But it was the most eventful Free Agency period But it was some solid

Interesting stuff going down All right Not bad at all I think that is the bell Sounding Quasimoto's ringing it From up high It is TikTok time

Let's go ahead And dude About time You're beating down These walls around me Right now This time we're going to do Obviously we're going to start

With a draft Like we always do And this time We're going to do a draft of only players who played with Kevin Durant. That's a be an interesting one. Let's get into it. I love it.

What was the last draft we did again? LeBron, I think. It was after LeBron. We did one more since then. Oh, no. Kay's. It was. Yes.

Yeah, there we go. There we go. Did I have the third pick? I think I did. So I have second pick. Mo, you have first. Donovan, you have third. Okay.

Okay. I want to double up here. I like that. Yeah. So let's draft NBA lineups with only players who played with Kevin Durant at any point of their careers. With the first overall pick, no-brainer, Steph. I was hoping you forgot, and just somehow I got blessed with him.

Oh, yeah, I forgot. The second pick, give me James Hardin. Okay. Okay. I want the same backcourt that I had last time. Give me Carrie Irving and give me Clay Thompson. That's a great backcourt. Two drafts in a room.

You are incredibly lame. Go ahead. This is tough. The positions are, hmm, the best value here. I'll wait there. Give me Draymond Green at the four. I think that's the lightest position. Oh, man.

Yeah. Okay. Get the best defender on this list. That's cool. That's cool. Okay. So here's my chance to double up. Go ahead, give me Boogie Cousins and Sergei Bucca.

Fuckers and pick him next. Yep. Give me Sergei Bacca and Boogie Cousins. Damn, you beat me too. That sucks. Sergei Blaka. I need him. I need him.

Those Thunder Vives are too hard. Damn, I thought you guys didn't forget about Boogie. That was going to be a steal. Nah. Nah, no more fumbling over here, man. Yo, someone walked up to me in person. Someone walked up to me in a person and asked me why I fumbled so many drafts. Today, I am a changed man.

no more. Okay, okay. Okay. Now I'm in a tough spot. I have my four and I have my two. Jordan Pool. I don't have a three, five, or one. Jordan Pool.

Hmm, I've Hardin. You never play with Jordan Pool. What am I saying that for? Three is a weak-ass spot. I'm going to reach a little bit because there's no good threes. Give me prime Andre Goddala. Damn. Okay.

Are we just, we're just going to do this? What? Listen, I, I will, I will, I will, I will make it work. Give me Russell Westbrook and, yeah, I will have Kyrie play the two. I'll have Kyrie played the two and Clay play the three. I just like, that's just, it's weird. No fit in sight. It's fine, we're Hoopers.

We get buckets. So, yeah, give me, give me Russell Westbrook. and yeah, I want a big and give me DeAndre Aiton. Okay. Okay. Your team has a lot of talent

makes no sense together, but it makes talent. My turn again? Yeah. I'm glad you picked Russ. You know how I wanted? Prime Christopher Emmanuel Paul. Wow.

Give me that Houston backcourt of him and Harden back together. I need it. That was my pick. That was my pick. That was my pick. That was my pick. I'm sick now.

I bet it was. It's the right pick. Okay. So I got Curry, Boogie, and Sergei Boko. Bro. We've gotten straight, like, Boogie's not a Hall of Fame. We've gone all Hall of Famers, bro.

That's crazy. Katie, you're shameless. Okay, go ahead. Give me Devin Booker, Nexus Deft Curry. I was about to take him and go small. Yeah. Give me Devin Booker next to Steph Curry, and then I need, I need a three. You do.

Oh, man. This is, this is kind of nasty, but give me Bradley Biel. I'm here for the talent. Yeah, give me Bradley Biel. Give me Bradley Biel. Okay. Am I the only team? It's not my favorite pick, but I need it.

Am I the only team with a small forward here? Jesus. Yeah, dude. It's kind of, I mean, it's KD. Nobody, nobody, yeah, nobody's, yeah, nobody's, yeah, nobody's, needed a small four because they've had kevin yeah okay so all all that's left for me to pick is a center i have draymond no i'm gonna slide draymond to the center give me prime give me prime blake griffin at my four he did play with prime blake that's nice that's nice

i was hoping y'all forgot about him damn i got absolutely cooked i did i did forget about that Oh, I picked Sir's Ibaka over. I didn't forget about that. Your goddamn right you did. That's okay. Bozos. Chat, I lied. I sold.

It's a part of my identity. I cannot escape it. We got a board that says week since Mojo sold. We crossed off the one, Road to Zero. So I got Steph Curry. Wait, wait, wait. I haven't made my last pick yet. I haven't made my last pick.

One more pick. Now listen. I just want to put this caveat My team is being built For the 2012 through 2014 era of the NBA Okay It's not modern NBA Oh, he said he did it ever be

Give me Lamarcus Aldrich At my four Your team is so bad Again It's a very specific error It's no sense It's a very specific era of basketball Very specific

Oh man Yeah your team is done for All right You team has really high 2K overalls But they don't win games Chemistry is zero Dude

All right What do you mean I got Steph Curry Devin Booker Bradley Beal Sergy Baca And Boogie Cousins

Elle Your team has no defense But it's a solid It's really good Yeah My offense is My offense is immaculate And the fit

It's great too It's okay Who you have Isaac okay i have christopher emmanuel paul james hardin andre godala blake griffin draymond green this team is small team is getting holy oh my goodness body it's your weight of you think iguadolus i have six five six eight six nine six seven my team is not small uh okay your biggest player is nine draymond green undersized five blake griffin saw you have dandre aton being guarded by

Dremont Green. I'm having him in hell. Blake Griffin, Hall of Fame, soft. He's not, that's not... He's not soft, though. He's not soft, though. He's not soft. You have Aldrich and A. And you're talking about soft?

No, no, no, no, no. Listen, Sergei Baca from the Congo. Lamarcus. You all sent a chance for me. I don't care. I don't care. Lamarcus is Aiden with good PR. Lamarcus. Stop that. First off. Lamarcus, he's killing Blake.

day. Right shoulder, right shoulder, turn him all day. He got it. He got him. Good luck defending James Harding with Lamarcus Aldridge. He got him. He got him. That's what I told you, 2012 through 2014, specifically era of the NBA. That's where we're at. We're at. Anyways, I have Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irvin, Clay Thompson, LaMarcus Aldrich, DeAndre A. Oh my, we're winning a championship. What are you talking about? What are you doing? Yeah. In the Puerto Rican League, with you fucking guiseasins. He's winning the

mid-season award, bro. The mid-season champion, congratulations. You went in Las Vegas. I'm going to get a banner for it.

I'm putting the banner up. You're going to win the NBA 2K Las Vegas Summer League. Oh, dude. Like I don't have... I need to go ahead

and see TD3 clips put this on 2K and run that back because I love watching those videos. Shout out TD3 clips. All right, man. The next thing we're going to do is a tier list, as always.

This time, somehow, some way, we haven't done a jersey tier list yet. Really? So this time we're going to do throwback. We're going to do throwback jerseys in a tier list. I'm sending you guys the pictures right now. Let me know when you got them. We got six iconic throwback jerseys, a variety of niceness levels. I'll say that.

All iconic in their own right. Okay. I got them this time. Listen, my internet is jumping. I'm letting you know that right now Shout out the new crib Donovan just moved in I love it

I gotta catch up man Damn I pay for that top I pay for that top tier Wi-Fi Let's go All right So Let's put these NBA

Throwback jerseys Into a tier list I said that all weird Let's put these NBA Throwback jerseys into a tier list First off Iconic purple suns jersey S tier jerseys

Yes These are beautiful In the running for best jersey of all time In my opinion Top five Top three Yeah definitely top five The sun shrieking across with that bold white font

Gorgeous Yep the placement of it How you see how the 32 When the sun's kind of angled At a certain way The color Ah immaculate bro Hardest jersey

Probably the hardest I've seen in my life I'll challenge that Because next up we have The Raptors purple jersey Okay, this is an A tier This is an A tier What? Oh, A tier?

Only because, only because I think that you can't style it The same way as the Sun's one Because you have this big old baby dinosaur In the middle of your chest And it's, listen, if you're wearing this out like, I get it, but it's a little goofy, Just a little bit

It's culture, it's culture, that's what it is. I don't think it's as good as the Sun's one I'm putting it in A tier. I think it's an S-tier. Mo, respectfully, let's tell this guy to fuck off. This is S-tier. Mute. It's a baby dinosaur.

That baby dinosaur is amazing. At least you didn't put it lower. Yeah, he's not the worst thing in the world, but, S-tier. All right, next up, the Clippers Buffalo Braves jersey. That bright-ass orange, how you feel? everything they do sucks this is an F tier this is trash

it's not it's not trash it's actually like a D tier but I'm gonna say it's F because it's the Clippers they suck they have a clippers tax they're yeah they suck

yeah I'm cool with D I'm cool with D it's not very good really this is the TD3 color ways so I kind of want to go ahead and say this is a beat well they're misusing it too much orange

way too much orange I don't know I kind of like it but me personally B but I got overruled D Next up The Nets blue jersey

Hard It's pretty good It's not like an S tier But it's a B It's a B This is a perfect B This is the perfect B It's so wavy

I could be swayed into saying A tier But I'm cool with B It's so weird So weird gradient look I kind of like it though But it's It's like a gradient It reminds me of those...

It reminds you of those cups. It's like gradient tie-dye. Yeah, it's very 90s. It reminds me of those cups with the purple and blue design on the sides. Yeah. Our audience is way too young to remember those, but it reminds me exactly of that. This is the best gradient I've seen ever on an NBA jersey, period. I think it might be the only good gradient, honestly.

Maybe. I'd have to go to the archives. That's how I was about to say, yeah. There's some good ones. Next up, the Pistons' Teal jersey. This one's tough That might be an A or an S I don't really know

It's A for sure, I think I'm going to I'm going to I can't put it in the same category As the Sun That son's jersey Just so perfect This is the A

This is A I'm cool today I'll give you that one Bro that horse Do some to me man I don't know I want to put it S That horse is just speaking to me right now

He's whispering in my ear S but I'll always say Hey Tell him to stop I love the horse The font of the 33 Is not very good

I think that keeps it down For me a little bit I'm cool That's crazy Whatever Graphic design is his passion Shout out the merch Graphic design is my passion

Alright Next one This Sixers white jersey That I've seen Like once in my life This is a C This is a C And even on the list

It's such a deep cut How many years do they wear this? I don't even know I don't know Yeah This is weird Somehow though If this was like a starter jacket

This would be This would be hard Yeah yeah It looks like it's a non-jurzy piece of apparel Yeah But as a jersey Come on It looks cheap right now

And maybe that's just the materials But it looks like a super deep knockoff Bro like some things Like someone in their factory You got ultra creative one night I'm like this is going to bang for sure. I'm going to put this whole on Etsy.

EtsyS. Yeah, like this is not it. Etsy jersey is crazy. Yeah, this is not it whatsoever, bro. It honestly looks like, it honestly does look like some variation of like the Shanghai Sharks jersey, bro. Like it's too much going on for no reason.

This is an overseas league jersey for sure. Yeah, easily. They got some crazy sponsors in the back or something. I got a fiat logo in the back Yeah For no reason bro I don't like this This is FC Barcelona

So are we going D I can't open We go D I'd said C originally But we'll medium We're going in between D Yeah This is just

This is Is this better or worse In the Clippers jersey Worse Worse Worse Way worse They're both D

They're both D They can I never want to see the jersey again. That's how bad. Okay, that's the end of that tier list. Next thing we're going to do is another draft of sorts. One, well, we've been doing this for a while. We've been doing player builder drafts.

This time we're going to build a perfect power forward with only current power forwards. Let's draft the perfect NBA power forwards. And so the categories are body shooting, finishing, defense, and passing. All your first step. Defense. passing. Go ahead and give me Yons to the Kumpo body.

Okay. I can't be mad at it. He's a freak of nature. Next up, this is a tough one. You know what? Give me Zion Williamson's finishing. Okay. Okay. Probably the best finishing in the NBA, so I'll take that. All right. Give me. Give me Draymond Green's passing

Fuck And then How? Okay And then give me Are we counting Anthony Davis as a power forward? Yeah, you can be

You can pick Anthony Davis. Okay, and then I'm taking Anthe Davis defense No, actually we're not counting Anthony Davis. He's not allowed I'm just kidding I'm just kidding

Thank you Thank you He'll be He'll be upset for real No, I really was It was for a little bit too long Oh, man.

That was lying. All right, cool. Okay, next one. There's not a lot of passing. You've already got your body. I think I can come back to that. You know what? This is going to be surprising pick,

but there's only one other good passer at Power 4 in the league. Give me Jeremy Sohan passing. Ooh. Interesting. Okay. It's a cut. Interesting. That's super deep.

You'll see the vision when the player's done. All right. Is it my turn? Yep. So I get to double up. Cool. So for defense, give me Jaron Jackson Jr. Great pick.

Okay. And then when it comes to passing, sheesh. When it comes to passing. Yeah. Go ahead and give me some bonus. So bonus is the center. Yeah.

He's the center? Yeah, he's the center for sure. Oh, okay. Give me Scotty Barnes. Better. I like it. We can kind of small. I don't know if he's a, he's a four.

He plays a Yakum, O. G. Adonobie and Yacobotob. He played with Yacom, O.G, and Jakub. No, bro, he's a four. Don't know. I think he's a three. I mean, okay, I don't care if you have him.

Should we let him have him? Yeah, you got to. Okay. We can, okay, if you guys want to, I'll avoid that. I can avoid that completely. I don't really care. You can have him. All right, cool.

Yeah, I didn't want to avoid that anyways. Yeah, you can have him. He would be a four if he wasn't playing with Pascal, so I get it. My turn? Yeah. Okay. Don't need that. Oh, give me Larry Markening and shooting.

Big ass, I'll look like Larry Marketing. I love it. I almost forgot about him. That's hard. You need a finish hammer. Okay, okay. Give me, give me Aaron Gordon's finishing. That's a good pick.

That's fine. And then, and then give me, give me Cam Johnson's shooting. Ooh, that's a good pick. I wasn't to pick him if I didn't get Larry. Nice. I love that okay so go ahead it's my turn right oh okay good might be defense I'm so glad I got this guy give me Evan Mowbley top three defensive player of the year finisher that's good that's good not your turn Moe okay so for shooting give me

Chris out for Zingis it's kind of a center you're picking hell of centers bro are you kidding me what's he a center no he wasn't yes no he wasn't he was he's predominantly known as a power for throughout his career that is true though are we not no one's gonna no one's gonna remember him as a center no one's gonna remember him as a center we're gonna i don't think that's true but whatever you can have him he got drafted as a four too so anyways 2014 pretty small ball A decade ago You know, we gave

We gave you, we gave you Scotty Barnes You can't have KP No, no, no, no, you can't take it back Too late, too late, too late, too late You can't take it back You cannot take that back That's shiasty You can't do me like that

What the hell? You're trying to rob me Donovan, what do you think, Donovan? Are we gonna fuck him over? No No He already has, you got one

You already got a pass No, you can't do that Literally no one's gonna remember Porzinger's in the center Porzingis in the center Actually, we used forzingis in the center draft too No

I think you pick Porzingis in the center drafts No Right now I think you did Donovan do you remember that Listen Chris Tops All I know is that Chris Tops

Puzingis right now On basketball reference He's being listed as a center He played a majority of last year At center He does not count in this draft Pick somebody else You guys deserve to go to jail

You guys deserve to go to jail Let's go Let's go Let's go All right, whatever Shooting Give me Keliolinick

God He be Hey man He'd be letting that thing fly Am I wrong? All right man Okay Okay

And I I guess for finishing God this is so shameless man Kenyon Martin God I said okay it's not a bad pick

yeah he gets up yeah give me Kenyon Martin god this is deep bro y'all y'all robbed me though y'all robbed me for sure my turn yeah for body give me

palo bancaro that's we're here because that's literally my next pick that's bad it's my pick okay got that big frame got ups

it's easy all right for my body give me John Collins okay that's kind of nasty you got a fucked up ass finger you can't shoot you got a huge finger man

gross that's funny I would have picked Obie topping I was thinking about it but I oh Jeremy Grant low key I thought about him too

he's really long whoa oh my god All right, so I have Palo Bancaro's body Lowry Markinen shooting Zion Williamson finishing Evan Mobley defense

and Jeremy Sohan passing Okay Jeremy Sohan passing throws me off like crazy bro but I like it He's probably the second best passing power forward in the league It couldn't make him a point go pretty soon All right I got I have John Collins body

Cam Johnson shooting Anthony Davis defense Draymond Green passing And then Aaron Gordon finishing That's a good team That's nasty Mo was that a burp I just heard You're disgusting

Yeah that was a disgusting burp I ain't a lie to you Because he did it into the mic too I kind of want to end this podcast right now But I have some TikToks to shoot Yonis body Kelly Olinic shooting So gross

But he was pulling that thing though Yeah So Yonis body Kelly Olinic shooting Finishing of Kenyan Martin passing of Scotty Barnes defensive

of Jaron Jackson Jr. This player is nice That's kind of just Janus with a jump shot Yeah I have the best It's like I mean You know Worst defense

But like a little bit better shooting Worst defense what I got the defensive player of the year I don't know I have Palo Bancaro Bancara with Zion's finishing and the 40% three win shot and the being a top three defender in the world

my player's kind of perfect Kelly O'Nick was Kelly O'Nick had a strap on him too though I don't know what it's off the rip but Okay Okay He had a what You could have had Kevin Love

You could have had Al Horford You could have had Jeremy Grant You could have to buy his hair Kelly Olinick shot better than all those people What? Davis Bertons was asked in shooting this year He was not He was not

Hold on me I don't want to say that yeah I don't want to I got a fact check myself He's got a fact check himself He's assing a lot of things So it's a good assumption God Yeah

Next thing we're going to do Is I'm going to send you got some more pictures Okay This time We're going to do a classic We're going to rate These NBA players

If they were bald Oh goodness We haven't done this in a while And these are all photoshops Of them being bald So this is going to be interesting Okay, Nikiel, can you share screens? There you go.

Oh, my, what? Okay, Mo, just look at this. Don't look at your phone, mode. Yeah, what? It was perfect. Okay. First off, Boban Marjanovitch. Oh, my goodness.

This is disgusting. He looks like a monster. Bro, he looks like his name is Igor. Yeah, not bad. I mean, his name is Boba. It's not that far away from me. Yeah. Oh, no, this is mean.

I feel bad. I feel bad for making jokes. This is so bad. This is awful. This don't look like with the huge hands. He looks like the peak supervillain. No, this is for real like a Lord of the Rings character. Like, that's, this is nasty work right here.

I'll give him a five. This is nasty one. Yeah, man. I don't know why, but the bald head plus the huge hands just make a look like one slap and your entire lineage is gone. Like he's sending you, he's blowing smithereens. This is a four to me, bro. Four to me. He just looks too evil.

We'll go three. Okay. Next one. I'm so, I'm in shock. Bored. Next up we have Rudy Gobert. Who is? Oh my god

Who made these Who made these soccer player Oh my god Bro Nah he for real looks like Oh he looks like an ant bro This is crazy He quite literally looks like a perfectly glazed

Donut from crispy cream That's who I'm honest with you dude This is wild He looks like the evil brother from the Prince of Egypt movie Oh my god dude I don't know. Wow. Wow. Oh, my God, bro. Yeah, duh.

I can just imagine him in a mall wearing some tight pants, and they took away his beard, too. This is not good. This is not good. I gives us a six. It doesn't look as crazy. True. If we're grading everything off of Bobon, this is much better. I'll go, I'll go five. We'll go average. I'll give him a six. That's fine. Yeah.

He looks crazy, but not too crazy. Next one. Anthony Davis Oh, he looked rough Oh man Do you know what he looks like Low Key? He looks like J.B. smooth.

That's Oh, wow. He looked, okay, so I'm, okay, I'm gonna give this like a seven

just because he looks like an actual person but it's not completely bald. True. He still have speckles of hair left. He got the Doc River's hair line. He just looked nasty,

though. It's not. It's the tongue out. That's what it is. Yeah, he just looked nasty, bro. Look like he has a cheese touch with his haircut. He looks like his kids in the Proud Family movie with the peanut heads. He just don't look good, bro.

This is definitely a weird uncle right here. Yeah, it looks like he's carrying multiple illnesses. That's what it looks like to me. I don't like that. I don't like the tongue out, the look. He definitely looks up to no good. He's macheteens. The slightly geeked, like feeling with his tongue is out.

I don't like that, bro. Yeah, he saw something he liked that day. He's planning something that will have a negative impact on the community. I don't know what it is, but it can't be good. Yeah, man. A.D., you ain't, whoever made this, you ain't right for that, man. You ain't right for that. Next.

Yon, this is a gupa. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. He's carrying the thoughts of all his brothers in one head. Holy shit. He's literally carrying his family all here, dude. He looks like an OG Boy Scout, dude Oh my god

He says That's what you thought I'd been new it Yeah What you think of tomorrow? I already knew He's perpetually brain blast Dude

The cranium is so crazy It looks slappable and movable Too, like it'll move when you slap that Oh, dude It looks like it was polished so carefully with the hand With the elegant hand of the people that made those old Greek statues That are still here 500 years later He looks like

He genuinely looks like a nerdy geeky servant Of some evil master He looks like Bobon's servant, bro, to be honest with you Holy shit Racially motivated, but okay No, okay No, no Okay, hold on

Hold on Hold on Whoever Photoshop This is a fucking Supervillity Yes There you know The lighting

The lighting The top of the head Perfectly, gross Why does you like this man? Oh my God This is fucking crazy

This is not right He looks like Mopampa Oh my god This is what? This is Momba looks like I can't breathe So this is Mbaba bass form

Oh my god Yo Oh my god Dude, you all are nuts Base formal bomb is crazy Oh my god Alright next one LeBron James

This looks mad regular He wants to be the goat He has to make the evolution to goat status haircut This has been Yeah The only issue with this though is that he has no beer which looks wrong That's the only thing bald hair no brink you gotta make up your mind man you can't lose both

he was very normal it's a ride of passage yeah exactly why did John does look like that this is solid this is 10 yeah solid 10 you say so yeah

yeah it has to be 10 it's a necessity at this point next one Clay Thompson dude that just straight up looks like Jalen Suggs holy shit that's Jalen Suggs are you kidding me you ever see that white face that people

compare James Charles to this looks like this is James Charles this is a cross-country trucker if I've ever seen oh wow oh my God he looks Mexican

I need people to go He looks like a lot dude He looks like a lot I see Mexican I see Asian You could tell me he's Hawaiian dude I see a lot I don't know what it is He looks like a mechanic

No, man. Oh, my God. I'm going to rate this in absolute zero. Please for the love of God, Clay Thompson, never go bald. Jalen sucks, your future is bleak. What's your rating? This, I give this three. Yeah, let's be two.

Two's perfect. Yeah, they're way too generous. Too generous. I wouldn't wish I would have to look upon my. my worst enemy oh god bro he just looks like some random overseas player man he he guarantees an overseas player who looks just like this is that the last one i think that's the last one yeah that's the last one oh my goodness next thing we're going to do we still have a 20 questions we haven't done 20 questions in a long time i'll be the person to think of the

player give me a second somebody say something while i think of a player my brain blast brain blast jimmy newtron blast duncan robinson's drunken robinson miami he he culture damian lillard are you just saying words chancy williams the pacific northwest oh you're making it harder just shouting words dante xum mediocre okay i got the player me google him So bad information. You're just naming players. Stop it. Anthony Morrow.

Brandon Roy. Gross. You got 20 questions to get the NBA player I'm thinking of. Is it Brandon Roy? It's not Brandon Roy. Was he a guard? Yes. Was he drafted before 2015?

Yes. Nice. Was he drafted before 2000? No, it's not that old. Nice. Was he explosive? Why do you ask these questions? Was he explosive?

It's a good question, man. It's a good question. At one point he was. Every NBA player is explosive at one point. But was he, no, what was that his M.O. This is a new question? No, like, that's just me helping you understand my question. Was that his amount?

I understand your question loud and clear. At one point, he's explosive. I won't tell you which point. Oh, my God. Okay, at one point, whatever. All right, so we got, he's a guard. Was he drafted after, was he drafted in 2010 or later? No.

Okay. So from 2000, 2009. Oh, 2000, 2009. Oh, okay. Did he play most? What? Nothing. Did he play most of his career in the Western Conference?

Yes, yeah, I'll say that, yeah. Did he make an all-star team? Did he know he did not? Hmm. He kind of said that, like, he was never even in consideration. Interesting. Was he a two-guard? No, primarily, I mean, a bit of a combo, but not

primarily no bit of a combo but not primarily okay it's tough hmm tough okay let's get this rapid fire going it's a whole podcast segment was he was he considered a shooter

no not no that would definitely definitely wasn't his defining skill okay nice okay um is he an NBA champion yes

He's an NBA champion. Combo guard. Not really a shooter. And he put, wait, Donovan, I forget, I forget,

did he play mostly in the Western Conference? Yes. Wait, hold on. Okay. Did, is the team he won the championship on

in the Western Conference? Yes, it is. Okay. Nice. Oh, you getting warm? Okay, okay. So if we think about

recent Western Conference, champions combo guard not an all star thing hard quick ish explosive is shooting is not their defining skill western conference champions all right so um hmm yeah they were drafted they were drafted in 2000 2009 afterwards this feels like a lakers player or a spur or a spur player something like that I can't I don't see I don't see how it could be a spurs player or Lakers I see I understand because of the champions but could this be who so name someone from the Mavericks Donovan um j is this Jason Terry this is not Jason Terry damn okay is this Bruce

Bowen? This is not Bruce Bowen. Bruce Bowen. I would have nothing. Yeah. Yeah. I can remember when he was drafted.

You have six questions left. You're... Wasted my picks! You should probably narrow us down some more. You don't have very many defining features yet. Okay. All right. Only six left.

Damn. All right. So what's six questions? What three questions do you want to use, Donovan? Okay. Okay. Okay. So we have to use the...

We have to narrow down when the championship window was. I like that approach. So, when do you want to set the cutoff? 2010 in the last decade? Let's do 10. Okay. Did,

I'm trying to think of the perfect question. Was this championship, did the team he won the championship on win the championship in 2010 or later? Yes. Okay. 2010 or... Okay. Okay, so if we're thinking about Western Conference,

you have the Lakers, the Mavs. Uh-oh, here we go. You have Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, Warriors in the Western Conference. Okay. And so if you're not talking about... Oh, and then Nuggets. The Nuggets? They're in the Western Conference.

They just won the championship. Yeah, but I mean, they were drafted before 2010, right? You guys are struggling. Shut up, man. We're strategizing. All right. Okay. So we, I mean, we have about 13 years to think about, though.

I like those options. Okay. So, damn, I don't know why my mind. I'm stumped for some reason. I know I'm not for the full this he said he said like a combo guard though yeah exactly so who we're you want to guess you want to guess a height

do you want to guess height you want to guess height? Let's go ahead yeah finally okay where are we where are we listening this at 6566 let's yeah let's ask this four six four okay is this player six four and over

yes he is finally you asked four okay was this can I use a guess yeah was this Sean Livingston this is Sean Livingston

there we go there we go I was I felt like a ticking time bomb was on my chest we got it here we go we got it I wanted to say him a long time ago

but I did what to waste it there you go but I just yelled out the answer you totally did not match the energy with the response I know I felt like but like bro I just felt so much pressure release

I did it it. I did not lose the 20 questions. You guys did it. This is Sean Livingston. Perfect. No. Nah!

Noice. And you know what? We have one more TikTok to do. But I think I'm going to say it for next week. I think this is the end of the episode. Do. Feels about right. That was a good way to wrap it up.

Are the finishing words? If you're still here, comments, what are they comments? think long and hard about this mo you picked this time you literally said that last time don't know okay i'll pick this time don't have come before that he did i'm gonna pick

oh it's your turn yeah hmm what can i get some to comments hmm who should our next guest be on td3 okay there you go comment who you think the next guest should be on the pod we probably won't listen but i want to hear

See ya Solid