The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Best Young Players In The NBA | Ep. 79

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

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Today we're going to rank the top 25 NBA players under 25 years old, you know, a classic TD-3 rankings. But before we talk about that and get all the way into that, Donovan, I was told you went to the Rockets versus Spurs game today to go watch a vintage victim women yama performance. But instead you saw the Sangoon legacy game. Tell us about this. I saw the greatest game of Sangoon's life. This man. And when I tell you, first of all, I thought that I was getting the Wembe legacy game. First three possessions, he hits a bank shot, goes down, blocks Sengun, and then hits a pull-up three.

And I was like, oh, we're here. Like, we're about to get a 36 and 10 with seven blocks. It's about to be amazing. He proceeds to score, like, three points for the rest of the game and get thrown around like a ragged off. Sangu, it literally was like a rocky fight. He was just taking him to the body, just all day, just jab, just body shots. And Sengu got whatever he wanted all night long, had 45, have five steals.

this is like I'm glad somebody had a memorable performance because I decided that's what I paid for I paid for somebody to have 45 and I'm glad Sangu delivered for me that's what I was man that's tough I feel you don't want that sounds like you're kind of upset though because uh you know I'm saying you didn't get to what you were expecting but a win is a win you can come out and I mean I mean yeah like I've been for the last like week and a half I feel like we've had a lot of wendy conversations and I'm just like, guys, he's the avatar. Like, he's going to be top eight, like, all this stuff. You say he would be the greatest player of all time.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, y'all, I pull up to see you play. This is how you do me? Like, I'm trying to support you, right? That's great. Hey, man, well, listen, both these guys, we players that are going to be hot points of contention for today's rankings.

They're both under 25 years old. So it's timely. You know, in exactly a week from today, Tuesday, March 12th, Rockets and the Spurs play again, but this time in San Antonio. And so I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to predict, listen, Wemby's going to get his get back. He's going to be at home. It's going to be a much better performance than 10 points.

I promise you that. 4-3, 7 blocks. I'm going to predict that. All right. Oh, my goodness. You already get in the narratives also about him. I love to see. If you're watching on YouTube, do us a favor.

Drop a like and subscribe. Help the channel keep growing. If on audio platforms, leave his five stars, leave a review. Yeah, man, like I said, we're going to rank the best young players in the NBA. Should be a fun one, very subjective. You know, we rank the best players in the league. There's a general narrative and the way you hear every player talked about. Like, people were commonly said, oh, that's a top 10 players, it's a top 20 player, so-and-so.

Top 25, under 25, a lot less common consensus. So I imagine we'll have a lot of disagreements here. 100%. And as with any, and anytime we do a ranking, one of us is always in contention for the worst list in TD3 history. So I think that that's also in play today Because we also we talked a little bit Before this episode about what the criteria was And I think we were kind of aligned in it

But as always, once we start getting to like 18 through 15 There's going to be some wild names on there Exactly And that is where we're going to spend a majority of our arguments You know what it is? Every time we do these rankings we say no projecting It's who we're doing right now One of you motherfuckers is going to do some projecting

I can promise you That's me. I'm glad you said that. The point of this is to do no projecting who's better right now today, right? We know in a year and a half, Wembe, Palo, whoever are going to be like one, two, three, whatever you think. But right now, who's better as of today, as of March 5th? Exactly.

And I think that's the best way to look about it. But, you know what I'm saying? Things change. We don't get into it. You all love projecting. So we'll see how it goes. I love to see you, bro. Let's get into it.

All right. As always, we're going to start by chunk by chunk starting from 25 through 30. Nikiel, let's get the slideshow rolling. Who's up first? I'm up first. Okay. Here y'all see. At 25, I have Brandon Miller, 24, Devin Vassell, 23, Anthony Simons, 22 Jalen Johnson, and 21 Keegan Murray. Oh, how are you feeling about Jalen Johnson as a resident Hawks fan? So, I feel okay with you putting him around that range. That's fair. I didn't have them too far off. Interesting that you put him like Devon Vassell and Anthony Simons around their range too.

But I like it overall. I like I have no qualms as of now. That was a powerful speed. Donovan just let it rip. I'm telling you some of that shotgun shell Listen I normally sneezing much as I can feel So if you hear another one

Just let it rock That's hilarious You said it's interesting Simons And Visseller in the same range So do you have Jalen Johnson Pretty meaningfully higher than them? Not meaningfully higher Next tier for sure

But No yeah I like I like rehab I like rehab I'm happy that he showed up on this I was scared of all forget about him. Not me. I love this man. Yeah, I have Simons in the run the same range because I think Simons is a victim of circumstance right now. I've talked at length about how I think the Portland Trailblazers are the biggest tire fire in the NBA that aren't getting paid attention to. And I think what

Chanty Billis is doing with that roster is criminal. And I think players like him are the biggest losers of that because there's just no organization and he's shot chucking right now. And it's heard of efficiency over the season. I have a lot of faith that you put him in a good team with good structure and he can be the score for his guard in a starting lineup that he should be. he can be really good exactly like for him the first what 20 games 15 games of him actually being back and healthy he was getting ready to be a part of some like pretty impressive conversations but of course like what the fuck is going on with the boss or with the Portland Troy Blazers there's so many they're hectic as hell you know what I'm saying and so I think I like where he had him at

what do you think Donovan any qualms about this list no um I don't know the the the the key Keegan love, it's, I know, I'll just, I just say it right, right now. Keegan Murray's not on my list. No. Oh, interesting. No. I don't think that's crazy. Yeah. He's not, he's not on my list. I can, and the funny part is I can see him being at 21 and I can also see him being off, off the list. Yeah. And so that's, that's one of the, one of the, I think, major qualms that I have with it. Because as you'll see with my list, there's just, there's one guy in your bottom five that I for sure have. above Keegan Murray that I think is a little bit too right now

I'm glad you mentioned that I agree the bottom five were incredibly difficult I imagine we'll have a lot of different names here and definitely I had like eight names in contention for these five spots my three honorable mention that should were just the first three cuts Jada McDaniels

Deniavdiha and John McMinga John I keep saying I keep saying Denia Avdiha I know what you're wrong yeah yeah they keep roasting me for it listen to games on mute I don't hear the commentator very often And it fucks me with translations of names all the time. Listen, I was telling y'all off podcast one time. Back in 2019, I'll be watching John Morant play for the first time.

And I just called him Jemurant. That's literally, I just called it one word. It was the most embarrassing shit ever. People grilled me back on my main channel, bro. It was tragic. That's hilarious. Yeah, I have Kaminga at 28. I think Kaminga is going to rapidly fly out his list.

It's just, he's only been good for like four weeks at this point. if he continues this for a longer period of time he'll be up higher if yeah if it's a sample size thing that's fair we're talking about today obviously you don't trust it and feel as confident with it brandon miller i can already envision comments oh brandon miller blah blah because i don't have johnson coming on this list either and brandy brandon miller is there brandon miller been that guy since day one when it comes yeah all season this NBA season you know what i'm saying also i did not put kegan murray on my last season i don't know why but he just seems like a older player like his demeanor just feels like old to me.

But I would add him in the same exact range as well. Yeah, you're also, you've also been to Keegan Murray Hater from day one, so I get it. Kegan Murray Hater's crazy. I just don't think he could be a 20 point for game score, for real. He's after 15, he's damn close. He's a third option. Listen, man, with the way Mike Brown was talking about him.

Exactly. It's not the same. Honestly, not really. The difference there is if one of those stars gets hurt for a whole season, he has to take like four more shots, he'd be averaging 20. No, okay. Yeah, it's going to be a nasty 20, buddy. But anyways, we didn't think we do.

No, right. All right. Let's reveal the next. You just keep going. All right. I have Devin Fissela at 25, Kobe White at 24, Anthony Simons at 23, Denny at 22, and then Tyler Hero at 21.

Gross! Tyler here at 21. Nasty. Blasted my eardrums. Why? You have them hired? No, I don't. You don't have my list?

I don't have him higher than 21. Oh, no. Okay. Okay. You're nasty. Tyler, you're nasty. Tyler Hero is definitely one of the 25 best, like, under 25 players.

He's, come on now. Come on now. I haven't, I, I, I, I'm not on my list because he's higher. He's in the top 20. Tyler Hero's very good. He's a good player. He's definitely good player. But sometimes I feel like, I don't know if I'm getting blinded by the Miami Heat and

their catered, like, play style because Tyler just doesn't, I don't want to say he doesn't fit. But he just doesn't, his value isn't placed correctly on that team because they just do better things with them off the court sometimes. So it's hard to like gauge his values. Come on. Okay. He's been, listen, Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler has decided to go Super Sane two years without Tyler Hero. Right.

And he may not have needed to go Super Sane if he had Tyler Hero next to him, right? But because he's done that, you've kind of forgotten how valuable he is. Tyler Herald average is 21. His off ball movement is really good with him and bam. like that stuff works and with the fact that like jimmy does a lot of stuff on ball with uh you know trying trying to create for himself and create for others one hero has stepped that up a little bit for himself but his his ability to play off the ball him and duncan robinson give them more what uh a different a different dynamic in their offense yeah he's definitely good and

underrated and the fact that the portland trailblazers didn't want him also kind of skewery He hit a lot of people. They're like, yeah, like, it's just Tyler Hero. He's a throwaway. He's really good. Like, we, come on now. I will say, he's currently shooting 50% at the rim this year, which is weirdly horrific.

At rest of his career, he's been above 60 forever. Like, so it's clearly a weird outlier. I have no clue why, but he's like the worst rim finish in the league as a guard right now. Strange development, but it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. It's fine. We're gassing him right now. I'll bring that up. I love that.

He's clearly top 20. He's very good. I have a little white hire. Yeah, I think. Let me see it on my list where I had Kobe White around. I had him a little bit higher as well. But I do can appreciate, I do appreciate that you do have Denny of D up there. The strides that he's made throughout his NBA career has been great.

No one really cares because it's on the Wizards, but still great development, bro. But I think Kobe White definitely should be a couple tiers higher than maybe not a couple tears higher. But he should be definitely in like that 22 to like 18, 19 rate to my opinion. So I like, I like Kobe a lot. And I actually do believe in a lot of the leaps that he's made this year. This one is also just like a sample size thing for me, where it's like it's been, it's, it's been like a portion of the season not like from day one. There really was like a turn.

And so I'm holding off before I vault him up. I know. Listen, it's been a majority in games. It's been a majority of the season and not like the whole season. I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait just a little bit before I vault him up up the list. but if you if you guys have in my I don't have any problems with that yeah I I give him the benefit of doubt for the sample size thing because the first 15 games who wasn't unimpressive

but the last 46 games he's averaging 22 points 5.7 assists 5.4 rebounds 40% from 3 46% from the field he's kind of a goon for 46 games in a row so I gave the benefit of the doubt and appreciate that you got me it feels it felt like the like his slow start was longer than just a month and so I listen he's turned up and he saved the bulls the other night against the king crazy oh he wouldn't did he have like 36 points yesterday yeah you finished with 37 yeah damn see that game because listen I'm not I'm not catching many Bulls games these days in the latter half the season when I'm watching the playoff themes but I don't him I he's fantastic he's been hooping his eyes off but I guess that means we could unless you have anything

else to say about his list Isaac we can move on to my neck you can go next five cool so we got free assignments 22 we got Brandon Miller 23 Trey Murphy 24 Emmanuel quickly 25 I got Jeremy Daniels we got a lot of different names here okay I didn't say a Murphy shout out quickly is herb Jones on your list no he's not 25 for her I believe he's like 25 Joe Jones is better than Trey Murphy right now I believe you I believe I believe her Jones is 25 he's an older rookie he was an older rookie he's staying in college for a couple of years. No,

Herb Jones? Yeah. No way. Yes, sir. Helvey. Herb Jones is, oh, no. Exactly. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Damn. That's why I didn't put him on his list. He's been in college for a minute. I think he was. Listen, the NBA is to update their website. I was going through there. It's crazy. They need to update that.

Yeah. Yeah, what did I look at? Well, okay, well, Herb Jones is on my list. So I guess we're giving credit to the 125 girls because I don't have too late to change it. Same. Yeah, I wanted to put Herb Jones, obviously, he was my first option. He was my first option. Yeah, y'all trying to gaslight me.

I see straight through it. But you in these comments, everything's a gaslight when we're just wrong. Every time I'm wrong about something, look at Isaac, gaslight. It's not you. Vignton. I just try to get double-teamed. We've lost all meaning for the word gaslight. Off rip.

What do you guys see with my life? list. Why is quickly here is that that would be my biggest question because he's not on he's not on my list and I think that we all expected him to be the one taking the leap right with the expanded role in Toronto and that hasn't necessarily happened. So having him at 24 what was the reasoning behind that? So quickly I see a lot of good things out of him. Again like the leap hasn't been as what we expected like he's not a 20 point per game score yet but he's like I think he's putting up like 17 18 points of game as it now and I do know that the efficiency isn't as nice off I believe off the field but um I think it's just a comfortability thing and him like you know

I'm saying fully developing as the lead guard which he hasn't been comfortable with throughout his entire career so I see the potential and I also see what he is right now and I just just think he's one of the better one of the 25 best players in NBA right now simple as that so who did you leave off that we put on there that to put fit quickly so that's that's my question who did you didn't put oh you didn't put kegan murray who i yeah kegan murray who i said i left off early it's tyler hero i put adam as i don't ever mention yeah quickly over tyler hero is insanity to me i get the vision long term quickly projecting i think it's a bit projecting play but right now you know 17 and 6 is nothing to you know right off but

But, you know, 41% from the field isn't a good rim finisher right now, still trying to get everything together, being that bigger option, like you said. I don't see any world in which he should be over Tyler Hero. I mean, that's fair. I can't go against that. I just see Emmanuel quickly and I like him better. All right. That is the only time it'll get me when it comes to,

or is the only time it'll get me, bro. And this list. And also, Keegan Murray is an elite defender, 15 points for game. good efficiency as a corner shooter. I'm easily picking Kinga Murray over him as well right now. That's fair. I just generally forgot that. He just gives me old people vibes.

He does have the old people vibes. Let me make sure he's 24. No, he's literally, Kegan Murray's 23. I know his age. He's 23. He's won like 2000. I just like it doesn't register in my head.

I know. I spoke to his brother on Media Day. Of course I know him. Chris Murray? Yeah. You did too. You did too. No.

That was Keegan. no i'm pretty sure that was chris chris is a rookie all the rickies were there there were i don't we didn't see many second year players at all except for jabar smith i'm pretty we talked to kegan do we think chris murray was a rising star chris murray doesn't play we talked to keygan it was kegan he hooked up the twins yeah that's hilarious i'll just say i asked him about dearon fox chris murray would be like what the fuck are you talking about Yeah, yeah, you're right. You did ask him about Deerrin Fox.

Everyone watching this is so confused. I know. We were at NBA All Star Weekend. We went to Media Day for Rising Stars and we got to like talk to the players. And I asked Kegan Murray what job Deeran Fox would do if he wasn't in the NBA. And he said a fucking high school teacher. Which checks out. Chris Murray would have been like, I don't know Deeran Fox.

That's hilarious. But okay. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Vee-immily disagree with some of your picks, but they're not insane. I think Jada McDaniels like I said was the first cut for me so totally respect to his placement I just grab about Trey Murphy Yeah he's great

He's basically the same reason on your list As Herb Jones is on mine But you know I picked the old fucking Herb Jones So my bad Gereatic Herb Jones That's hilarious right Same age is Donovan's old ass Damn

Come on now I turn that same age I turn the same age as this pot comes out I know Oh my goodness This comes up March 15th my face of 16th you're turning 30 oh go to fucking hell I'm just I'm just asking right next five next slide let's continue on all right don't we see

your next five at 20 I've dated McDaniels 19 I have Herb Jones 18 I have Jalen Johnson 17 I have Kade Cunningham 16 I have Darius Garland okay Garland was very difficult for me I know before the pod start, I told him he'll make a change. I was changing Darius Garland around. I haven't higher than you. Not too much higher, but I struggle with the fact that he hasn't been fantastic since D-Mitch got there. They have a lot of, not issues

because it's not a huge deal, but in terms of his production, they have some issues being able to eat alongside each other. They kind of operate the same parts of the core in D-Mitch's greatness kind of diminished to his production, but he's not a worst player for it, you know what I mean? And we saw him at the All-Star game

as a lead guard, and we know he's capable of that. his numbers and deemis isn't on the court are still good his efficiency is still the same I feel weird dropping him down when we know he's like an all-star I feel like it's not right to drop him down I agree with you that weirdness is that guilt in you is fucking true bro he him as an individual hasn't done nothing it's a situation and role

and the placement has evolved but this is scale scalability is important and you have to be able to play next to other stars to be a high level guy 100% that's one and two this is year two of of the you know Garland Mitchell backcourt. If we were talking maybe in the offseason or or even last year, I can understand that a little bit more, but I do, I do feel like at this point, and also to Garland's credit, I'll say this, he has been hurt a lot of this year. So a lot of that time that he would use to mesh with DeMitch hasn't necessarily been there. And now,

after DeMitch got going, Garland kind of has to, you know, reintroduce himself into the offense, into the flow and everything like that. So I get that. But, but, But it's a very tough situation that he's in right now because it's not optimized for his skill set. And so because of that, other players have been able to kind of pass him by because their situations allow it. True, true. You know? Yeah, that's a good point. The only difference to continue his production now is he takes three less shots than he did before, which is like, no, now he's still the same player.

But other guys who continue to get better while he hasn't been able to develop in that way, which again, isn't his fault, but is what it is. Like, spoiler, I put Sangun above him. And that's the one where I'm like St. Goon's at time to develop. Garland just hasn't, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some people have, some people have opportunity and time to, to develop and to be the player that they can be.

Some people, right, like Cade Cunningham, I feel like Kate Cunningham, if we were just doing like a power rankings or people that we honestly still believe in, Cade should be higher. But he's in one of the worst situations in the league. And he hasn't been able to take those steps forward because he has no shooting. because the front office has been a mess because the team sucks around him. So he's also in that same situation. And so like you said, it is what it is. So yeah, I agree.

Can you tell you something? What is it? I have Kit Cunningham a good amount hard and you do. Wow. A good of my higher. Good amount. So with this list, I'm getting the vibes because I have a lot of matches with Donovan so far. Like 18 and up feels like, okay, bro, like you have.

have the potential to be an all-star and be like a real piece, pivotal piece of my franchise. And that's the range that I'm, like, hending towards. Now, I guess depends on where you have Katie Cunningham, Isaac. We'll go ahead and like yap about that. But simple as that I agree with you guys' point about Darius Garland. At the end of the day, it's all about opportunity. I think, like, when it comes to development, yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't matter how much you really what's behind that is opportunity.

and Sengoon has been pushed towards the tippity top of the franchise. If the roles were reversed and Derek's gone and had that opportunity to, on some other team, we'd look at him differently for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also looking at Garland stats. I thought he was worse last year than he really was. He averaged 21-7 still last year.

Like he was damnered the same, just wasn't the All-Star because obviously DeMitch got the attention there. Yeah. This is really the only year where he's been worse because, like he said, he's been hurt. I kind of regret moving him down now. Like, he really hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah, I 100% agree. Well time I tinker as we get up. Let's reveal the next one because then we'll talk about more of this range.

Okay, Moe. So I got another Cavalier. So I have Evan Mobley at 16. As of today, the development that he's made in the three points shot being there, as of late, as of late today, he's at 16. You are talking about 17. Exactly. He had four threes and five games.

It's like, whoa. For Evan Movie, that's a lot, bro. We were asking, I was on my knees for our last year. Whoa, pause. But anyways, 18, Jalen Johnson, 19, got Kobe White and 20. I got to have a cell. Bro, you're hilarious, the three-point times have been there. In the last seven games, he's made one.

That is a huge improvement, bro. No, it's not. For him, it is. Context of the player. What are you talking about? Last game, he was 0 for 1, 0 for 1, 1 for 4, 0 for 3, 0 for 0 for 0, 0 for 1. You are grading him on the Ben Simmons scale of 3-point shooting. I'm like, if he just takes it, it's a plus.

There's not two games that where he didn't even take him. Yeah, there's not much for Evan Mobley other than just to be able to be willing to shoot those, take some, make a few. And that changes in not an entire like scalability as a. a player? Well, actually, fuck that. It kind of does. So with that, I warned him as 16. All right. He has been really good the past two years as a rim finisher. He's done a lot better there. You know, there's some diminishing returns there playing next to Jared Allen when they both operate best of the rim. And, you know, he takes mid-range shots, not particularly effectively, but he does it, you know, 33% on a decent low volume. It's actually a good amount of his

field goal attempts. But again, it's hard for me with just the people, the cast fans really rail against the whole lack of offensive development narrative because they're like, he's getting better at all these things. He's been a great rebounder, a great finisher. Which is true, but if you're powerful and you can't shoot and you're not like one of the best room finishers in the league, it's pretty hard to be an effective offensive player. Yeah, that's true, but he's one of the best defenders in the NBA.

What was he last year in defensive player of the year? Third, I believe. That's absolutely ridiculous in his second year in the NBA. I see him and I know his role in the NBA, and I'm just waiting at this point in time for it to change, meaning like the opportunity, whether he becomes a full-time center on the Cavs or, you know, he becomes a full-time center on another team.

Who the fuck knows what the Cavs are due? Yeah. You have Vassel pretty high. Yeah. Vassel was my last guy. It was 25th. Yeah, it's a 24 for me. I like the idea of a cell a lot.

Hasn't quite taking the leap this year I wanted him to. What did you want him to take? More efficiency. see more passing just yeah I don't know he's pretty much the same as last year is is he not efficient isn't he shooting like 46 47% from the field right yeah he's not terribly he's not he's not poor efficiency I shouldn't say that but I don't think it hasn't increased enough with the volume like maybe not say that I don't know what you're talking yeah yeah efficiency alone is the issue I wanted him to have a higher volume with deficiency I wanted him to really take a leap as a score and I feel

like he's kind of the same level as a score his rim's finishing is on a lot better he's a 71% there which is great yeah But the mid-range hasn't improved a whole lot. He's 40% on long mid-range shots. Last year was at 47, you're before that, 43. That hasn't changed at all. Three-point shots about the same. So, I mean, Mark, maybe I'm being unfair.

You know, not everybody makes quantum leaps all at once. So becoming a good room finisher is a big difference. Yeah. But I don't know. I think for what you expect him to be, obviously, like, when he's there and as much as, like, people would love to rail on the spurs for not pass it on the ball. He's legit force.

He has to be, he's a focal point of the offense's usage rate. Lumbie Street is absolutely insane, so it's like natural that that volume isn't going to be there. If it was last year or if they had like, if they picked some other player not named Wembe, then I'm sure he'd be putting up like fucking 20 shots a game easily, you know? He's a gunner naturally. But as of now, it's just, he's improved. He's gotten more efficient than all that. I like his own.

I think I held my expectations against him a little too much. You're not thinking about it. Again, I don't know if he should have been higher because the names above them are pretty fucking good. But I don't hate it. I think it's a fair placement. I think he's pretty fucking good as well. So I feel like 20 is a perfect range for him. Let's review my next five.

And we can talk about it compared to everybody else. 16, I got Jaron Jackson, Jr., 17, Evan Mobley, 18 Kobe White, 19, Tiley Hero, 20 Herb Jones. So you are the lowest on Jaron Jackson Jr. here. Yep. Why? Not really any reason. Just the guys. Well, one, he's a terrible rebounder still, which has been hilarious because he's been like the center for a lot of this year and still can't grab more than five boards.

It's kind of, it's just hysterical at this point. You can grab the same amount of rebounds as him, goddamn. Damn near. And it's honestly a matter of the guys above him taking leaps and him not really doing so. And I don't know, maybe it's just a victim of circumstance, right? His team's been terrible. It's kind of stalled out a lot of what you would expect from him because his skill set is definitely most important on a winning team. He's not the type of guy that's going to, like, get out here and be a bucket because he's more usage of guys out.

not really what you want from him to be doing anyways. So maybe it's my fault for just not taking the defense out seriously because they're not in a wing situation. But again, it's more about the guys above him than it is him. I mean, I can under, I can understand that. First off, you're railing the fuck out of me for me putting Evan Moldy at 16. You just had him at 17. That's absolutely hilarious, bro.

I wasn't railing you for it. Whoa, did that sound crazy? I didn't mean to rail you for it. Oh, well, Bob. Oh, God, what the fuck? Hey, yo, I wasn't trying to rail you for it. I was just talking about his deficiencies. I knew what had him in the same place.

Okay. But yeah, no, I'm happy that you at least have Evan Mobley lower than him because that would have been like a whole other conversation. But you still see the value of Manchester to see who you have above him. I don't think that's that hard because he's literally, he's literally the defensive player of the year and everything that we want Evan Moble to be good at, minus like rebounding. Darren Jackson's already elite at. Not elite, but he's good for his size and his position.

I think Evamobie's a better defender than Jaron Jackson Jr. Okay, then why didn't you win defensive player of the year? Because he was on a better defense. It's a narrative, of course. Yeah, because he led the league in blocks because it's that simple. And voters are like, oh, block man, DPOI. He's a great defender. But he's a weak side help defender, which has its role.

It's very important, right? It's the same thing we've seen Yonists and DPO is for. Very important role. I think Evan Moby's a better freaking role defender. He can do a lot more as a big. Jaron Jackson isn't really like a rim anchor in the same way. Like I said, he's a shot blocker, not necessarily a rim deter. which I feel like Evan Mobley is

one of the better than role defenders in the league. He has similar skills as Anthony Davis where he can guard the ball and guard the big at the same time with that length and really just like erase what you're trying to do schematically. Jaron's just a different type of defender

that I think is slightly less valuable. I feel like, well, I don't know, I think this year is hard to go ahead and gauge his value because he's been out of position as a defender and also all around, all around. So that's like another thing about it as well.

But I think the conversation also takes a term where you talk about the offense and the things that Jaron can do that Evin O's just NEPA to right now as we're speaking. Yep, that's why I did it. I should put him one spot higher. I think Evin O'Mobil is as good a defender.

I would say I'd rather have his role, but I understand that that's nitpicking. I'd say they're awash defensively. End of the day, I'd rather have the elite shot blocker that can shoot threes rather than the elite defender that is a good rim finisher but not great and can't shoot worth of shit.

That's a difference. Yeah, gotcha. Okay, who I want to see who else you had on your list because I feel like there's some other things that I can nitpick in this bitch Okay, I got really high We have cool you guys the same range that's yeah, Kobe white's a fucking baller. He balled for 75% of the season in my mind That's enough for me to classify you as like I've seen it for majority of season You deserve he's good. He does this chain. You deserve this chain this and honestly changed congratulations. Maybe I can see a Td3 chain. I could see maybe we're over we're hyping him a little bit just because the bulls are so desolate that like he shines so much in comparison to the hope of nothing around him that maybe we're giving him a little more better for the

doubt like is he really better than Tyler Hero I don't know but he certainly the storyline is better it sounds like the story of mine might be beating our ass just a little bit though it might be I might be victim of the moment I recognize that yeah I'm starting to realize how much I disrespected Tyler Hero it's kind of crazy yeah all the list is crazy off the list is great you should apologize him at an honorable mention I'm not apologizing that one white man just because it's mad February was like three days ago what the fuck I didn't tell you to get on your knees and beg for goodness I'm not apologizing to him but I respect the game

I also think Jalen Johnson should have been higher but not going to argue about it what is yeah I guess so I mean tell me why tell me why okay so who do you have above that I disagree with why is he better to be white defense defense has to do with it It's a big part of it. Shop making is different for Kobe White. They're completely different archetypes of players. When I think about these two, who can take my team the absolute furthest.

And I feel like, and I feel like Jalen Johnson, obviously scalable as hell, put him on any team. He'll, you'll reap his benefits almost immediately because he can do a whole lot of different things. And for Kobe White, it's not necessarily that, not his fault because his position or whatever. But I think Jalen Johnson, the archetype is more rare. and because of that alone it's more valuable and I think I don't want to say

his ceiling is higher but with just his raw physical attributes and tools it is a hell of a lot higher so that's why I have him in that 18 tier where you're like there with that potential

and projecting we finally got there yeah I uh I put him down a little bit lower because I mean listen I'm probably I mean maybe I might be a bigger gentleman Johnson fan than you

and you fucking love him because you're a Hawks fan I've been every time I get in front of a mic I rave about him my personal channel I just I have a hard time gaugate of a defender he is right now in the environment he's in because when you watch the Hawks games I don't think he looks like an amazing defender right now

but nobody does because they're fucking awfully coached off a point of attack defense if he's gonna be a good weekside helper hard to show it when everybody's running past their guards every play so I just yeah I can't really tell how good of defender he's gonna be forever I don't think he's looked great so far but I know like with the size and the way

We've seen flashes of that greatness. I just didn't, I don't think he's been consistently good up defensively to put him up higher than guys who, like Kobe White and Tyler Hero, who are legit consistently that offensively. I think that's fair as a non-hawks fan. Like, you can't get into weeds and be like, yeah, he's a fantastic defender. One thing, the only thing that's like 100% surefire in my hand and my eyes when it comes to him is like one-on-one, he's a fantastic ISO defender. Also, statistically, one of the best ISO defenders in the entire NBA. by the stats and I can also say that by the ITES as well which match I so defense stats are horrible but I agree with the offense he has clearly has a tools and you can you can definitely see that

it's just hard to gauge his ability as a team defender with anybody in that team like it's just difficult because he doesn't shine in that way but I expect to be good in a more competent team wait Donovan did Evan Mowby make your list he did make my list oh okay he's higher okay he did yeah interesting okay let's go the next one let's talk about it because let's talk about Jaron and Evan Moby compared to the guys above him because clearly I have Evan will be low. Ooh, so I go first.

Okay, so at 11, I got J-dub, 12, Alfredson, Goon. Okay, ball boy, relax. 13, I got Chet Holmgren. Ball boy. 14, Darius Garland, and 15, Franz Wagner. Let me say something. You're going to stop disrespect

to Abraham Lincoln, aka Chet Holmgren. You're going to stop. 13 is crazy. 13 is insane. It's 13 crazy. Did I overrate him? I feel like I'm crazy now because I have him so much higher. Now I have to look at my list and make, oh, man.

Okay, maybe I, let's, 13, you guys overrated him kind of low. 13, 13 seems kind of low, really? I feel like that's a great spot for him and to raise that right now in his career. He's better than Sangu. He's better than Sangu. He's better than Sangu right now. Yes, he is. I think he's more valuable.

Individual, it's hardest. I think they're the quintessential argument of value versus talent. Sangoon's a very skill player incredible with things he excels at, but I think what Chet does has more impact, especially when you bring in the defense. And even his offensive skill set, I think is more important to a winning team. So I understand why you go Sengoon, but that one's hard. I, yeah, exactly. This range right here for me is like, okay, around 12 and up, can I potentially build my team around you and not like completely tank my organization? 13. I can see that for Chet one day,

but with what he is right now and the role that he's placed at being the second, third, best option or whatever on night-to-night basis means hell of a lot. And I can talk myself into putting him potentially at 11, maybe up to 9 as far as 9,

because the defensive value is kind of crazy. You're going to hate me. You're going to hate me too. And here's, and like I agree with you. I think for me, when I started getting into this range, some of the tiebreakers came down to like, Okay, how would I construct a championship team around you, this and that?

And I think that right now, if you were building a championship team, you would have an easier chance if Chet Holmgren was your number two rather than Sanguna as your number two. I think you could be number one more so, too. I agree. I think the only reason why I would say right now it would be tough is just because Sangu's offense is like, is great. He's a unit.

Like, it's better, right, than, than Chet in terms of, like, being able to create for himself and, and just get buckets like that. I get why you say that, it's not that much better. This is, this is, this is, this is where, this is going to get nasty. This is where, pull your crayons out. Listen, but what, but where do you carry your crayons in your bag? You know what I'm saying? And Sangoon has a bag, right? He has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has, he has.

He has some stuff. It doesn't feel the same. It doesn't feel the same. You know why? You know why? Because we're biased to strength and chat. I mean, you just watch Sang-Goon in person

fucking throw his back into Wemby much times. Seng Chet plays more like Kevin Durant than he does like that. Like he's on the perimeter. But he has a bag. I know he has a bag. But one, I made this list before. And I'm with you.

I have Chet higher than Sengu. I'm just saying for like number one purposes. But to bring this all back, yes, Chet should be higher. And I think that. that like better and valuable, those two things are, in my opinion, it's the equivalent of like when Isaac starts talking about like, yeah, like, Kyrie's not, he's not like the

best finisher of all the time because like if you actually look at it, he doesn't really like make layups at the at the same rate as such and such makes it. And so like because Chet is valuable in my head, he's better, right? You are, you are able to, you are able to impact the game and you're able to impact team construction in a way that makes it easier for everybody else. And so because of that, if I have you on my team, the goal of winning a championship becomes easier. So you are a better player than San Gu. But while you do say that, I feel like Chet Hongrum has had, of course, I feel like almost every one, everyone talks about OKC like this, but he's in the perfect situation to go ahead and shed the best versions of him in San Diego. Gung hasn't had that opportunity just yet.

Not to say he's not a complete shit. He's not a complete shit. I'm glad you said that. But it hasn't been perfect. I have. I'm thinking about a lot. People give people credit for me the one option too much and hold against people to the second option.

Someone like Chet, obviously he's benefited by playing his talented players, right? He gets open shots, stuff like that. But in terms of individual production and talking about how we gauge these players, his numbers are held back by not being the first option just as much as they are helped. he could be averaging 22 and 10

just like all Singoon's averaging 20.8 is actually not as crazy as you would think 20 and 9 congrats Sangoon, you're fucking Yokic 29 and 5th could be averaging those Chet's averaging 17 being the third highest in his team in shot attempts he could be averaging just as high if he had more opportunities

so it works both ways his life isn't just like automatically easy because he has put guys next to him he's so incredible creating his own shot off the dribble attacking slower bigs his off the dribble shooting from mid range is ridiculous he shoots better than San from like every spot on the court like it's really like Sangoon shoot 67% at the rim

Chet 73 big advantage there singoons at 47 on mid range sangoon 50 Chet 40% from 3 sangoon 30 like you go down the list Chet's better at every individual skill obviously Sangoon has the passing Chet isn't a bad passer by any means and the defense is a fucking quantum leap to get to what Chet brings like I don't know what Sengoon brings other than vibes something i will say is i disagree with your sentiment about like people overvaluing them being the number one option on a team versus like you know i'm saying being a still great player along with other great things like things i i just you have to imagine it's just math at this

point that like yo the more better players and more threats and the spacing and all that shit that you have to rock with the much better your team is you know and that little things like that, I feel like sort of impact and affects Sengun's efficiency at times. Now, in general, I think Chet still, like, he is, he is superior. He's some more superior when it comes to just getting more buckets in. But also, there's reasons for that on the court, Jalen Green, i.e. Yeah, I guess you. Again, I don't think he actually is better at those things, though. I just think he has more opportunity to show it because, like I said, he's asked to create shots one-on-one a lot more. And I know there's circumstances, like if he runs a pick and roll with Shea,

Chet will be generating easy shot. But this isn't 2K. You know, they don't do that every play. There's plenty of plays throughout the entire course of the game, different rotations, where Chet isn't playing with one of those elite guards and he creates shots for his own and you see those things. So I don't think it's as simple as like three option, life easy. One option, life hard. Like I think it's far more nuance than that. It is. It is, you're right. But at the of the day we all have to agree like you know i'm saying like put better players around somebody they're going to perform hell of a lot not hell of a lot better but life is going to be a little bit easier not always i mean if you put if you put better complementary players around somebody they are

exactly they are they are they are going to perform better and it's a it's a match made like in heaven for oklahoma city because for chet and for jalen williams i mean for shay and for jalen Williams. Chet is the perfect person to put on the back end of that defense and then vice versa. And so now, now when they run a pick and roll, now they have a big who can pop and who can shoot and provide more spacing. So everybody benefits, right? And so it's, I understand why, why you say like people overvalue the number one option. And I think I may agree with you for like a little bit, but I do think that you do get credit if you are the one option or if you are the, you know, like one B type of thing and you are performing in that, in that way. Yeah.

And you're definitely right. You do get credit. I just think it's far as I think it's a lazily applied credit. In many circumstances, it's right. Like, Powell's life is much harder because of the one option because the team around him doesn't necessarily compliment that, right? He's playing minutes with non-spacers, guards who don't bring anything when he passes it out to him. I don't think the talent around Sengu and holds him back at all. I think he has perfectly fine complimentary pieces to do what he wants to do. Okay. Yeah, that's fair.

But I agree with you, Isaac. I think that Chet is much too low on this. I like what you said that. He's the piece that makes the life easy for everybody more than, like, even more than Shea, I think. Like, Shea helps, but Shay's game is pretty insolary where his main thing is great shots for himself. Chet helps everybody around him by the most on that team,

I think by far with the defense and the fact that he creates five less facing all the time. That's true. There's a reason why this team is going. going from, and obviously a lot of people have taken leaps, but the one piece that they were missing was a Chet Holmgren, right? And so they were in the play in last year. Now they're, now they're the number one seed because they have a three-point shooting elite rim defender. And so on every level, on both sides of the floor, Chad Holmgren makes life easier for all NBA, all-star caliber players. So yeah, he should definitely be higher than Sangu, who doesn't do that

on both ends for everybody. But I understand that it's a hard That's like a philosophical thing With skill versus impact That's gonna be a disagreement for everybody So yeah I'm telling you I disagree with you a lot But I don't think it's like a crazy girl

I understand you yeah I gotta clarify everybody else You know the comments The way I talk I'm always so Blacker way You're a fucking Zangoonator You don't know fucking ball And I know I can be real dismissive

By the type of stuff But I understand the difference In philosophicalness there But I'm always It's nuance It's impact Yeah nothing that we said so far in this conversation has been crazy at all.

It's just like I value certain things a little bit more than you value and that's literally it. Yeah, yeah, it's literally, are you gauging off a skill or impact? And plenty of, listen, like you said the thing with Kyrie being the best room finisher of all time. I understand. Some people like skill. That's fine.

Yeah, exactly. All right, let's keep moving through this. Who's next to reveal theirs? I love how no one said anything about J-Dub, though. Okay. Woo! I mean, we all love J-Dadev. I got J-Dub higher.

I was going to wait. Not that much higher, though. So it's not, 11 isn't crazy. Obviously, I haven't hired than you per usual, but 11's fine. That's like the, that's the floor where I'd put him. Wow. I have, I have Lamello ball at 11, Kade Cunningham at 12, Alperston, Zengun at 13. Darius Garland at 14 and Franz Wagner at 15.

I love that we agree on Franz and Garland. We're locked down. Yeah, Franz, Garland, we over here. Alfred Sangoon, basically around the same range, for sure. But, okay. I love like you say Kate is disgusting. thing. Yeah, I have one thing I would change. I think, I think, I think, okay, so my whole thing with this, in the same way I'm explaining that Holmgren isn't necessarily just like automatically

made so much better by Shane stuff. Like, my most important thing when we're talking about ranking these players is you have to think about the context of what they're in, right? Situation players, well, you always say that is everything. Cade Cunningham is not a worst player because his team is shit. And I understand that's always been a thing. We've talked in the past about that. His numbers are better than you think. Like, we've talked about him in the past, like, he's being held back and, like, not making the leap. He's low-key been fantastic. Like, he's averaging 22.2 points, 7.4 assists, 4.1 rebounds.

He's shooting up to 35% from the 3, which is after a slow start. So he's been on fire as of late. And 45% from the field. And you go look at, like, every area. He's a hundredth percentile in assist percentage for a wing, the highest of any wing as a playmaker. Part of that's obviously his highest usage. but like he's fully making that Starleap too it just obviously took a long time

because they were the worst team in the NBA for a quarter of the season but we all know that's not because of him he's a stronger defender than let's say a Darius Garland who I have him right above he's just as good of a passer scoring it's coming around like I said I don't know why I'd hold it against him

when I know the reasons for his struggles have had nothing to do with him so my main thing is having Cade that much higher against Darius Garland Cade's defense isn't enough to go ahead and sway you as a main talk can sway anybody in my opinion as a main talking point as to why he's monumentally better the

shooting of course so watch two spots higher i don't think he's monumentally better at all it feels like that to me i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know why it does it's two spots they're equal tiers they're exactly the same playmaking is legit like it's a different tier above deris garris playing in my opinion is different tier above kate him i think you underrate that heavily in that conversation defense cool whatever and also shot making is a huge different as well No, it's not He's got as good at those things too It's just not that different

Obviously again The rim finishing is gonna be tough With that worst spacing fucking ever But especially as of late Kate Cunningham's definitely coming around Like as I said he's 42% from three Over the last 14 games The three point shot has been good

But also I agree I had actually had Garland one spot higher Before they started I moved him down two spots Because I thought he had to be below Sangoon And so that's what made it hard for me That's why I moved him down Peer pressure

I get it I just thought about it and I was like for everything but actually once we talked it through I kind of wish I didn't do that I kind of want to go back on that once I spoke through my thoughts on Garland I was like wait a man I overreacted but yeah the defense is a big difference

I think he's a legitimately impact defender again hard to show it when you're on the pistons and it's a similar thing to Jalen Johnson where nobody looks like they're good on defense when the entire team is atrocious and as one of the worst coaches in the league which Monty Williams absolutely is but I think you see the defensive talent there I think especially you know as a point

guard defender with that size. You see it. He's a good defensive playmaker. He's been very good as a all his advanced stats from driving to the rim are good. He's in the top of league in points generated per drive, even though he's necessarily his field goal percentage isn't there on drives because the spacing is bad. He kicks out the shooters. He creates opportunities generating offense as a spacer. I mean, as a driver, despite that spacing. I just think you can look at every single skill of his and all underlying numbers are there that he already is making that leap. Just like I said, it's hard to show for sure i i don't know i so like i had i had i had garland and kate a little bit lower just because i was because i was saying the situation is the situation right and it sucks

but that's the game and but also we've seen like if you want to go ahead and say okay this year is one of the only years that garland is actually having a truly down year and like a bad year and you know what he's able to provide when we saw garland as the lead guard right the cabs were fantastic and then everybody got hurt on the team and then they slipped all the way to the plan so we've seen what a team looks like when garland is the driving force and a team that is also you know has has mowgli and has allen and still still has some of the spacing issues in the front court and everything wasn't perfect for garland whenever he was leading the team and they were still able to get a lot of things done obviously the situation is much much worse in

Detroit. But I don't think that right now, Kate should be above Garland. And I also, but I also think that 12 for him is, is a bit high. Before an hour ago, I agree with you. So fucking, Nikiel, change my list. I'm, I did that to give Sangun love. Fuck Sangun. Put Garland back to 12. And then that makes K 13 and Sangoon 14. Listen, they're just off that for me while these highlights are on. They're going, but they're going to come from. I was high, but it was it is. Yeah, that's funny. Garland's 12, Cade is 13, St. Guna's 14. I'm going back to my original list before the last hour. Let's go. I don't, I could get into the point where we always do where I argue because that's what I picked. I don't really feel strongly at all about

Kate being better than Garland. Again, I didn't think that until an hour ago. So I'm with you. Let's put Garland a spot ahead. This is why we are T3 and we are a fucking team, bro. We don't die on hills that we don't stand on. Oh, we do. We do. I'm just trying to stop. No, no, we do. Shit, not me. Listen, we had a whole argument about Scotty Barnes and Jalen Brunson that I only kind of cared about, but it was fun. So we just kept arguing. I only cared about it ever so slightly, but it became our biggest argument of the episode. Disgusting.

But I'm comfortable saying that Kay is already that good, that, again, context is everything. And maybe you could say I'm giving him benefits I don't give to everybody. Fair. But I think people do this a lot. This is another thing I want to address. people love to call out inconsistency in our comments. It's just like a thing people say like who can't, I'm trying to have an example

where someone, you know what I mean, where you give somebody a reason, but then you don't give somebody else the same reason they can be argued. Every single evaluation is different. There's different context for everybody. Sometimes I get people benefit of the doubt because it's a tiebreaker and skill. The other person may have the same deficiency, but I think they're way better, so I don't really care.

Nothing is ever going to be the same all the time. Listen, I'm going to be a hypocrite sometimes. Understand that. sometimes it be like that yeah it's it's not even like uh hypocrisy or anything like that sometimes you can clearly see right when you are watching games you can clearly see when something is somebody's fault or when you're like it's it's not their fault they're doing everything they can the situation just sucks and the more the more you watch and the more you actually take into account what's going on around people the more you can be like okay

this is happening because X, Y, and Z, and then this is happening because, you know, yada, yada, yada, whatever. So it really comes down to you have to turn on the game and watch some basketball, right? You're really just going to have to do that because for a lot of players, if you just look at the stats, sometimes the stats profile and they look very similar. That's why you see on Twitter all the time, you put up two players and their basketball reference stats and it's like, oh, this player's scoring more points doing this, doing that. Yeah, but watch what's.

happening. Watch how they get that, right? And so, exactly. It's, it's going to happen differently for everybody. 100%. Like, this is an easy example. Some people will be like, why do you love Yokic, but you don't like Sabonis? Neither one of them are good defenders. Obviously, Yokish is actually a better defender, but let's say they weren't. Let's say they were both trash defenders. One is the best offensive big we've ever seen, and one's not. So, of course, I'm going to give one benefit for the doubt because the value outweighs it. And the other one is a tier below. Like, you know, so it's not going to be consistent. I don't like centers who don't play defense because the other circumstances around the conversation are just inherently different that happens all the time look at y'all man

y'all are model citizens teaching our supporters how to have a good argument i love to see crazy bro you drive me insane i'm like oh my god like i don't even care if you disagree i just hate bad reasoning yeah yeah that's right okay can we get my five up there please all right 15 evan mowgli 14, Franz Wagner, 13, J-dub, 12, Sanguun, 11, lamella ball. Oh, okay. Interesting. You're a lockstep with Afrin Sangoon.

I love that. Oh, y'all have Jaron top 10? Yeah. Yeah, I get it. Oh, okay. I get it. The impact is there similar to a chat. I get it.

Yeah. Jaron is top 10 for sure. Maybe I put him too low. Maybe I was hating. I don't know. I just, I feel like I'm trying to lean away from being too obsessed of defenders who are elite shot blockers. not elite positional or help defenders.

So I'm kind of trying to like erase that bias on my head that like it's real easy to go towards them like the Miles Turner's back in the day where it was like, oh, he's an elite room protector. And then you see everybody can get in his fucking chest and put him under the rim. You can see Anthony Davis fucking destroy Jaron Jackson out of the playoffs last year. Grant said it's Anthony Davis, but you know. Yeah. Hard to defend in one-on-ones. I don't really blame him.

But yeah. How we feel it? How we feel it? I think J-D up's too low. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. I would have Jado higher.

I had on my size 11 and kind of wish I could put him a little bit higher now because there's some things in deep inside where I'm like I totally don't know if he's better than a certain individual player. I just think that with the system that he's in, he just doesn't have that green light just yet. You know, exactly. Well, here's the first option bias. Here's the here's the thing though. It was hard for me because everybody in my like top 10 I feel I feel like fairly confident about. And so if I was going to put, if I was going to change something up here, if I was going to put J-Dub at 11, Lamello was going to have to drop to 13.

And I know he was, I know he's been hurt, but that just feels really, really low for for Lamello. And so that's why I put him there. But if, listen, we can put J-Dub top 10 and I would not be upset, right? So whenever I, whenever we get there and Isaac is pushing this, this J-Dub propaganda once again, I'm going to be right there with you, right? I just, just a little bit further back, right? I'm not going to be, not going to be right there.

Yeah, I agree. Lamello, honestly, I was putting Lomoto 11 feels low. I kind of feel nasty about it because he was so good before he got hurt. He was, he just always hurt. I can't. Yeah, and I don't necessarily care about that as much. It's more a sample size thing that he took that leap

for that start of the season, but that was a pretty big leap than what we saw last year, and I believe he'll keep doing it, but it wasn't a very long sample size, you know? So I went towards the guys that have a higher defensive impact and have done it for a longer time. Yeah, for sure. All right, real quick, everybody's camera's on? Yep.

Yep, we are still going. All right, cool. I wasn't quite sure about that one. That's why I texted it instead of stopping it. Yeah. We move. We move. We move.

All right, cool. Okay, cool. So I'm looking at these lists now of 11 to 20. So let's see, before we move on, you have a mellow, Sengoon. Oh, so do you guys have an issue with me thinking that? Sangoon, Cade, and Lamello, and all them are better than Jaron Jackson, Jr.? Do I have an issue with you saying that Sengoon, Mello, and Cade, yes. You think Cainon, Jackson, Jr. is better than Lamello?

I think, but who you like, Jared, Jaxon, is that crazy to you? No, I think, I think Jerry Jaxon is better than Sengu. I would rather have him on my team than Sengu. I guess I agree with that. I don't know. I more so have that option. Like, how you fell about our Pala, not Paula, my bad. Sangun versus Chet argument.

The same thing is applied. except I'm going for like jaren and you're going for kade in this instance yeah yeah i feel like jaren's immaculate and elite for what he's asked to do at his position and i felt you have right now like an easier time trying to build and win around jaren jackson junior then kate gunningham now that's steep to say because kate kunningham's like in a pile of shit as we all know still but there's still certain things within his game that people are waiting to see to like see a certain leap at like his shooting is scoring at the rim and shit like that.

Jaron average three blocks last year. It's not the 1.5. I know. That's the biggest calling card as a defender. He's not doing that right now. I don't think he's that strong compared to other high-level defenders in that way. He's a very inefficient score,

not a great passer. What the fuck does he do that? That makes him that way. Can I tell you something? The reason why I have Jaron at top 10 is because for everybody not named Gigi Jackson and Vince Williams Jr., I'm throwing this year out for the Memphis.

I don't care. Anything. Anything can happen, and it would not phase me going into next year. John's been, I missed 25 games that he came back, he went back out. We've had a lot of people in and out the lineup. They're playing G-leaguers at the All-Star break. I don't, I don't care, right? This year's just been so weird.

Jared Jackson fooled me. He is a Stephen Adams merchant. He didn't have Stephen Adams next to him to guard the big man and let him come over and steal blocks in the playoffs. Got dust by Anthony Davis. He doesn't have Stephen Adams this year to guard the big man and let him come over in steel blocks. He's not doing much this year.

He's one of the worst rim finishes in the league for a big man The worst rebounding power forward Of anybody that size in the NBA Isn't a good passer His three point shot is no one near consistent enough As what we thought early in his career He is not great at anything besides blocking shots Talk to me in October

And then you can have this conversation again That is kind of nasty for you Isaac All right well we were arguing And then most cameras set off So that's the end of that discussion Pain You live to see another day, Jan Jackson Let's move on to the top 10

I'll be fighting for your legacy bro overrated he can leave the hood can't take the hood out of him here's our start of our top 10 at 6 I have Zion Williamson 7 Chet Holmgren

8 Palo bank hero 9 Jdub 10 Scotty Barnes Talk to me Okay Okay Before you start talking about Scottie was an all-star

and J-Dub wasn't Making the All-Star game in the East is fucking easy this year We don't care about that My thing is like Why do you think Chet is higher than J-dub. Impact to those around him.

You know, like I said, he's, he allows J-dub and and Shay to have an open paint to get to the rim every time, and they're two of the best paint finishers in the league. They pull to shoot 70% at the rim, and that's because there's always five-out spacing thanks to Chet Hongren,

as well as an elite rep protector behind them. The way he impacts those around him is just next level. That's going to give him more value than most players for his entire career. Every time you get into these arguments, we're going to have to talk about the fact that he is the single most valuable archetype

to other stars in the league. And while J-Dub, you could say he's more talented right now, it's very close. They're both very good shotmakers, very good defenders can both pass. The impact is going to be the difference there. Okay. I see that. I see that. Wait, real quick.

Same thing. Real quick, Nikiel, is my five up next? Okay, perfect. Because I do want to go after Isaac on this one. But no, I kind of agree with your list, though. I think this is a good. I think this is a good 6-10. Love it.

It's so weird putting his eye on this low. I had some hard debates in my head with the guy right above him. But listen, it's his life whenever you're having a down year. I see Zion and I just have to like, be like, man, damn, as if it's like some national tragedy, which is like, kind of low key is. If you're a hardcore basketball fan because of what he is supposed to be. Now, he still could be that because what have we seen him do as a main ball? Come on. I guess he could.

That version Listen, every time I see A Duke, Every time I see a Duke Zion highlight A tear falls from my eye Because we're never getting Like that version of Zion again He could still be very good

Very impactful, all that Right, I'm not throwing that out the window But this like best player in the league Oh my God, superstar That's not happening So that is I think he can be as good as he was last year for sure Which he liked the 10th 11 best player

That could happen again on a different team or with a different team construction on the Pelicans. Yeah. The thing I would think about is, even though he's not that, still real valuable, and I think people are too quick to, like, shit on him

because he's not what he was last year, which is very fair. If he was, he'd be, like, two on this list. Still a great player, still warrants being this high, I think. I agree. Yeah, that's fair.

Is there a reason why you put Paulo over Scotty Barnes? That's interesting. Scotty, yeah. Originally, I didn't do that, as you could expect. I had, I've been saying Scotty's better. I changed her mind.

when I really dove in the numbers. Scotty's been pretty meaningfully worse once he was thrown into the first option role after they traded Ogen-Anobie and Pascal Seacum. Life just been hard for him, right? He became the number one option defensively and offensively, which is a difficult role

and that's caused his numbers to drop. So, no, we saw him be really good as a second option, and some people can scale up. He's having a hard time scaling up to being the first option right now. So that's what's going to be going forward.

He's only been averaging 18 points and far less efficiency since the past Galsiakma trade that I'm not going to say that makes him like bad now unless I stuck up in top 10 but when you're comparing him to Palo who over the last 20 games or so has been incredible

he's an average like 25, 5 and 5 for the past 25 games he's trending up while Scotty Barnes are trending down as he got put into the same position as Palo had to give him the nudge okay that is a that is fair especially considering like you would think

a little bit differently of Scotty especially when they put a more complimentary piece alongside him you know r j barrett is a better player now straight up like that and emanio quickly is like the ideal piece the ideal lead guard that you want around him so i can understand that i would put paolo higher of course we're going to have qualms about this fucking for decades or whatever about this year specifically i'm being generous right now with palo at eight i think wow you really want to let that hear you just go ahead and take over your fucking blood this is the highest I can go. I'm giving Palo credit for how hard his job is right now, rather than

his skills individually being better than J-dub, who I think if you go piece-by-piece right now might be better. But I know Palo's life is harder and he's going to be the better player going forward. You know, like, that's this is the part where I let the context know that Palo is better than the efficiency numbers look right now. Well, okay, listen, that that makes sense. And I actually want to, I want to use that and take that to get into my five. So the kill can be in my five. I have Jerry Jackson at 10, Palo at 9, Scotty at Chet at 7 and Tyrese maxi at 6

God Jared is so crazy to me but I'll stop shouldn't on Jared let's continue So okay I like this I obviously I understand Scotty but Palo

I've been saying that for a while I decided to change my mind last second Yeah Why do you still go Scotty over Palo? Because I had to change your mind last second too

But honestly so what Swungi for me was so Paulo and Scotty have both been like solid not amazing as the number one option obviously like palo is like more when I think of what a number one option is palo kind of fits that a little bit more but I'm thinking about them as like these pieces because I'm not sure 100% if palo is ever going to be the best player

on a on the championship team and so when I think about so when I think about these two I think Scotty can fit better as a number two option than Paolo can on a on a championship team and because of that I think that he fits into more teams than Paolo does so that's why I put him above bank hero wow I love that I mean he's a more one-runner player he's definitely a better way I wanted to player he's a better passer better defender better rebounder Palo just scores more and takes more shots so I respect it I love that take Donovan that that might have been like the most ethical argument that I've ever heard you like give us bro and I agree with you for sure

it's not like it really does because I've had plenty of takes and this one seems very mild so super mild no the way you put it I mean normally he's on bullshit yes normally on this like that's crazy but I agree with you and for that exact same reason we can pull up my next five as well Um, I had Scotty at six, Lamello ball at seven. We all unhealthy the middle ball, whatever, we can talk about that later. Um, Pollo at eight, Paul O'A, eight, Tyrese Halliburn, or Tyrese Maxia at nine, and Jaron Jackson again at 10. This is ridiculous. Why is, why is Tyrese so low?

I know. Fuck. Tyrese Halliborne, I mean, Tari's Maxie, fuck. Tyreys Maxie is a great player, but what is the 76ers record without Joeline? Embed right now like five and five it's been decent he's giving them a float five and five he's been out for way longer than five and five let me see yeah it's not listen i'll check listen all i know though is that we're last 10 is five and five my bad yeah but without mb without mb maxi's averaging 27 and like five 26 it's one point but still it's 26 my bad it's six and seven that's a

record with Al Juel and Bede. He's keeping them a float. He's doing decent. There's six and seven. Wait no. One, two, three, four, five. Okay, six and eight, six and eight. That's the record. That's tough. That is tough. Six and eight. I think that's kind of fine for the Tyrese Maxie and Kelly Ubrey show and Buddy Healed. You, Tyrese Max and Kelly Uber's show. That is fine. And he is keeping them afloat. But I think when it comes to just who is the better player, it just doesn't feel right putting Tyrese that much higher. Like, I don't know why, but in the back of my head,

I think of him as like a, he's in a similarly range and tier, in my opinion, as someone like Darius Garum, but I have to again respect what he's done. He is bigger, of course, faster or more athletic, and the shooting is just as great. You know what I'm saying? One of the better,

one of the better shooters in the entire league. But I don't know why, but I just can't put him in that upper tier just yet. I don't know either. 26 points per game on 58% true shooting. He's a legitimately great score from all three levels. Like you said, an amazing shooter, incredibly fast and able to leverage that shooting ability to get to the rim. Not a bad passer by any means, 6.3 assists, despite playing, you know,

alongside Joel Embed, who has a lion's share of the usage and they played through him on triple handoffs. I don't see any reason to hold the back anymore. He's a legit, like great score. And defensively, he's small, so you know he's limited, but, like, I don't think he's like a cone, like a Tyree Saliburton. He tries. no yeah i can uh i can agree with that for sure but i think when it comes to you know i'm saying the how good can you be conversation i think he isn't in this status in this level just yet and this is where the project we're not projecting we're not the projecting comes from and you're not

giving him credit for what he's doing with and without and be right now we all here to hold me accountable let's do we all thought that the six years were going to be in the 60 fighting for the playing with Maxie and Ennbid because we didn't we weren't necessarily sure what that situation is like and then all of a sudden Maxi becomes arguably the best guard Joelle and Bid has ever played with and so definitely and so it's like his jump and his ascension this year has been fantastic and like we said even without Mbid he's been holding it down he's been doing his part I don't I don't and he's yeah I I I I nine is much too low much too much too much too uh much too seven for lamello i get it generous i mean

he had a great 20 games it's only been 20 games he's been at that true level and i'm not holding the injuries against him in terms of like i don't really care about injury proneness for these lists but we haven't seen him for an extended period of time i'm gonna wait until we can do it for a full like half a season or whatever before i really think he's taking that leap for sure yeah also it's hard to gauge him also i just looked it up I just looked it up because I know that I did my research prior to the episode, right? But in the game since Embed has gotten hurt, Tyrese is averaging 27.2 points per game. So I was right.

I was right on Tyrese. Don't disrespect the kid. He's doing. That point to say, that point three said your life. 51 against Utah. Like, good Lord. Exactly. Immediately was immediately was like, oh, this is what I.

to do. I got you. I'll drop 50. Yeah. And I think six for Scottie's a little generous. I get it. I'm high on him too. I think for what he's done this year since we've come on the one option. It's a bit high, but I understand it, especially because I know you're projecting. I think he'll be there next year too. I think forward. I think, yeah, like in terms of like whatever Scotty Barnes ends up to be, he'll be useful in a plethora of ways and similar ways that you guys to see and similar light that you guys see Chet, Honorable Renez. I see him in that same light, same tier. except he might have a little bit more because of the shot-making ability

that he displayed in the jump-shot leap that he displayed this past year. His shot... Chet's shot-making is better than Scottie Bowen. For sure. Well, let's say creation. That's a better way to put it. Chet's shot creation is better than...

No, it's close. It's basically even... Chet's shot making is so underrated. That man can dribble is a big. It's crazy. No, yeah, for sure. What did you say? Has he hang pole O.D?

Like, yeah, like, man. Obviously, that's his bag. That's his back for sure. Well, he's good at that. But no. Okay, we can move on to top five. I mean, clearly we have a very big disagreements in here, but we've talked about all the eighth players so far. I mean, I don't know how y'all can put Jared in this high.

Again, I get we're disregarding this year, but listen, this year matters, and it looks crazy to be. Nah, it doesn't. The next to these names. Not for me. Oh my God. Whatever. Whatever. Okay.

Keep going. All right. Anyways, I have Zion at 5. Tyrese Halliburton at 4. Victor at 3. J. at two and Anthony Edwards at one. Wow.

I have the same exact five except I swap Tyrese Maxi and Zion. I have Tyrese at five and the same five outside of that. Love it. Wow. Let's go. Okay. Love to see it. Okay.

So I guess all of ours is up here. We have roughly the same top two top. Okay. Cool. The only thing that's glaring is how high Isaac is on Tyrese maxi. And we also have Zion like a titch higher, which is kind of. What do you think of him, Donovan? I mean, that's not, that's not crazy because I, Zion and Maxie was very, very hard for me.

And I was going back and forth on it. And eventually, I was just thinking like, okay, Maxie, he's doing his thing. Obviously, we just talked about everything that he's done since Embed has gone out. But if you give Zion the ball and you let him run points on and we've seen that as of late, he's listen he has like three games in his last i can't remember the exact number but he's had double-digit assist games you put the ball in his hands and the pelicans are able to operate in a much different light and now that they are finally starting to use him you see zion trending towards this you know this franchise cornerstone that we all thought that he could be and

he's also six six two 70 280 and just a bulldozer and i'm like yeah i want him in a playoff series over Tyrese Max. I agree. I'm giving Tyrese and Knox is having a much better year, but I'm fully on board that. I've been saying from the jump, right? I don't think it's his fault. I think the Pelicans are putting him in a bad position to succeed. I want to see him be points on as much as everybody else. Once he does it for an extended period of time and lean into it and we can see it really work. I'm with you. I just like you said, it's difficult. I feel like I had to give Tyrese Maxi credit because you put it side by side. He's having so much better over year. Like it's really not that hard. We're looking at just this year so far. And I would have

felt like a Zion dick eater if I didn't put Maxie above him. That is something nice. We're right here. So the sign is right here, buddy. That's what I've always been pro Zion. I've always, I like, I slept on Maxie. I've been high as long forever. I felt like I would have been biased if I put Zion above them.

Okay. Oh, man. Okay. Other than that, I forgot. I don't think I ever read my list. So number one, I got John Morant. Number two, Anthony Edwards, three, Tyrese Halliburton, four, Victor Wenbino, five, Zion. Not crazy.

Yeah, maybe I get your, I think Wembe should be a little higher, but I understand. It's one spot. Yeah, that's fair. Why do you still have, explain Jambi higher? So my question, so my question to you guys right now is the last time that we saw Jall healthy, or we could say last year, what would you rather have on your team? this year's Anthony Edwards or John Moran. That's like the biggest question.

In my opinion, like it can get, it's too thin nail at this point because John Moran's jump shot is still like lacking and it's a part of his game that needs to be addressed in some form of capacity. But the decision making is there, in my opinion, that trumps all at the end of the day. But that can, that is all like, consider your team as well. But for Anthony Edwards, a jump shot there and the defense is absolutely like a clear difference too. And those are some of the most important things in the game of basketball.

answer. He's a legitimately really good defensive playmaker. He's in previous years, his fans have called him like an elite defender and stuff. And it was ridiculous when his first and second year when he was coming up. But this year, you know, he has a lot of help behind him, so it makes him look better. But he's been a legitimately very strong defender in a way that I think is noticeably more valuable than what jaw brings that end, obviously. And that was a tiebreaker for me. Maybe you could say Jaws a little bit more efficient of the score, better passer clearly. That defense trumps whatever job brings over the scoring of Anthony Edwards, I think. I think, in my opinion, like, the playmate or the decision making at the end of the day is what also, like, sets it apart for me just a little bit because, yeah, of course, like, I see Anthony Edwards take bad shots all the time.

John Moray knows specifically how to take and pick and choose his spots. Now, the defense, again, whole other conversation that we're having, and that's where it's, like, kind of null and void, but that's why I'm, like, kind of leaning. That's why I slightly lean towards John Moray because I'm comparing his past year to what Anthony Edwards is. right now but I can't I can't hate on you right now at all Joe's a point guard you know he should be a better playmaker decision maker that's not Anthony Edwards is not a point guard right like he can get better at that but it's obviously

obviously Jaws a better passer you know the nature of the type of player they are and I think for the roles they play Anthony Edwards is mostly fine we'll see it be testing the playoffs and it really matters this year when they're really trying to contend but I don't think he's like an awful decision maker anything like that to the point where I'd really

ding him for it no yeah I think it's just his decision making is just like I don't know. It just makes it more clunky when Carr Anthony Towns is there so that's like a natural 3% tax type shit, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, it's harder for him to get to a spot a little bit. Yeah, I would just feel more confident and comfortable with John Moran as my one two day if I had to win an NBA game if he was healthy, of course, compared to Anthony Edwards.

But I can't eat that. I get that. I get that was hard for the same reasons. I agree with you for the most part. Damn. So do we have a wendy? What about Wimby? You have Tyrese Halliborne over Wemby?

Oh, yeah. That was just like tooth and nail again. I initially had, earlier I said I initially had Wembe above Tyrese Halliburn, but I didn't want to let like the nasty stretch that Tyrese has been on with nagging injuries necessarily sway me too much because he was genuinely moving for the most part of the season as one of the three best point guards in the entire NBA, you know, which is our, I said three. Let's say four to be safe, okay? Four to be safe. Four best point guards in the entire NBA, which is such a scary leap to go ahead and witness. And Wembe, although he's

been like fantastic, we haven't seen that, we only seen that fantastic for 60% of the season soon to be seven if he continues to be on this tear. Same for Tyrese. I mean, I don't blame Tyrese or slowing down either. Same for Tyrese. Yes, it is. He was averaging 24 and going crazy and that's why we had him in these high conversations, right? He's down to 20 points for game. Granted, not his fault. He got hurt and he's playing through it. But we only saw that stretch for the first half of the year, and he significantly cooled down.

Not to say, I think he can't get back to that. But, you know, it's to be seen, right? He's back to what he was last year, which is still a great player and still should be top five on this list. But the reason we're really elevating him is because he went from a 20 point per game score to like 25 on elite elite efficiency. And that's something that you have to see maintained

because that's a hard leap to make. And if he comes back and does that again, it won't be shocking but it's not something you can say guarantee you know I didn't even notice but he's a sub

40% three point shooter now he's 38 which is of course context not bad at all but in terms of like high ranking in this

maybe I might switch Victor Overs of his career yeah every other year of his career he's been about 40 so he'll get back there

exactly it's just injuries and I can't like deduce that with him like that I just want to give Tyrese's respect simple as that

also he's a cone That was the thing for me, is that no, no value defensively and Wembe is God tier defensively at this point. Yeah, that's the sign of the law. Unless Ngoon is, unless Ngoon is, unless Ngoode's coming on down the court. Yeah, that's a whole other, whole another type of conversation right there. Don, what thought you got? Um, I mean, the same as John, like I put it at one just because he has the legitimate, like, two-way, uh, stuff going for him. Same stuff for, for Wemby.

I think Wembe is going to get, well, not even. going to get to a point but i think that wouldn't be right now is at a point where defensively he's one of the five best defenders you know in the NBA and the we've seen as like the minute restriction has gone down as the spurs have gone to you know trade Jones and they they've gone to a more traditional lineup he's kind of been unlocked his three-point shooting is also you know coming along so he's been great offensively creating for himself catching lob doing all that stuff showing the complete package So that's why I have him at three, because especially if we're starting a franchise or if I'm trying to win a playoff series tomorrow, having, having Vic on your team is a cheat code unless, you know, unless Sangun just decides to take it personally and drop 45.

But outside of that, he's him. He got it. Yeah. Already. And listen, you said unless Sangun decides to drop 45, because that's his biggest weakness, right? You can go into his chest. That's what everybody said, like the weight room thing. True.

For now, that's his weakness. for now for now next year if it comes around year for that whoever may be when he bulks up

and continues to get better there will not be that weakness and he will be one on this list very quickly this is the worst he's definitely

gonna be one next year yeah in the next year I'd be shocked if he's not number one it's gonna yeah for sure that's gonna be

the easiest number one ever row this doing this list now is so funny because so many the staple guys that have been on these list

for the past four years are gone now you know Jason Tatum came out of it Luca and Trey young aged out of of it like it really feels like this is the first time we're like the next generation we're ranking those guys this was around for well yeah exactly it was like so it was clear cut you was clear cut

as hell who was one through five for the most part and now there's just been so many shifts because new guys coming in uh zion regressing like hell random players like tyrese max you're deciding to turn the fuck up and turn into a different type of player prior to the past same for halliburton to it is the next generation. Yep. And the guys like Chet and Wemby already jumping at the top 10 as rookies. Brandon Miller, top 25 as rookies. Like, it's cool

here for young players. I'll say that. Facts, man. Good grief. You know what also is cool? Taxes. Ew. No. You just made me sad, man. Calzone. Calzones are overrated.

Beanbags? They are. Beem bags are hard as fuck. You know what also cool? TikTok. Time. Let's get straight to that thing. Welcome on TikTok time. For the first time, I'm not saying we're going to begin with the draft.

We're switching it up today, taking a break from the drafts. If you miss it, let us know. Taking a break real quick. The first thing we're doing today, a new series called Real or Fake. And today we're going to be talking about some NBA nicknames. I have prepared seven nicknames for you guys, some real from basketball reference, some fake that I made up myself. You guys have to tell me which one you think it is.

All right, Mo, we're ready to go seven for seven? Seven for seven, let's do it. I might want to go six for seven, but let's do it. Okay, I'm being humble. Real simple. Is this NBA nickname real or fake? First up, Benjamin Buckets for LeBron James. Oh, this is real ever since he grew on that beard, for sure.

What is the beard got to do with this? First of all, this is a very hard nickname. Two, Mo's right. The beard contributes to it. But if it was Benjamin, well, ooh, okay. If he had overalls on, Benjamin Buckets for sure, bro.

Those are some 1970 buckets for sure, bro. Those are the most. This is a reference to Benjamin Button, not. I don't know what you. Really. Wait, what did you think this was for? You thought he's,

this is like a farm type of thing? Yeah, man. I made the connection. ASEP the B. in the Benjamin part of his name. Alright, we're going two for seven. That's what's happening. I feel like Isaac likes the movie Benjamin Button.

So I'm going to guess that I'm going to guess that he made this up. So this is a fake nickname for LeBron James. Damn, I want to go real. We're going to split decision. This is a real nickname from basketball reference. He is Benjamin Buckets. I knew it. He's getting better with age.

Ever since that. beard came in that motherfucker was kicking in I knew it it's not the beard he's had a beard since 20 like 11 but the no shape up beard that was fucking crazy yeah 2011 but he always trimmed that bitch he always line

that bitch up now he just let that motherfucker loose bro 2018 we had the beard with the flat bottom that was terrible he chopped that shit off like his homage yeah no he was going through it mutton chops all right okay split decision

Donovan you lost Moe guts a point. Next one. We got carrot flop for Blake Griffin. Isaac is not kind of targeted. You're not creative enough to come up with carrot flop because this is hilarious. I'm going to say this is real. Really?

I kind of want to say this is fake. This is too hilarious. Has to be fair. Basketball reference can't be this disrespectful, bro. If so, Blake, lawyer up. I'm with you. buddy I'm a witness to this shit once again

Mo is two for two I made this shit up this is a fake nickname in my bag apparently I am too Donovan got to be too good to come from my brain my bad no I know Isaac man let's do this shit I didn't even think you would like no carrot top as like a reference

There's mad pop culture in my brain you don't understand how online I am yeah too targeted I knew it I'm trying to see you Alright, next up. The drunken dribbler for Cory Brewer. He's the most uptight dribbler I've ever seen in my goddamn life, bro. The jibble, like he shines on the ball through the court.

He hoop like he got a centimeter stick down his fucking jersey, bro. Like, it's so awkward. That's a crazy issue, by the way. But imagine it, though. Yeah, try to roll the stick down his spine. Exactly. Is this scarecrow? Drunklin dribbler is kind of crazy though

Is Isaac trying to trick us here? I think so This is fake What? I want to call this real Hopefully I'm wrong but damn Mo is 3 for 3 What is Donovan cooking? This is real Oh shit

Basketball reference What happened to compassion Oh my gosh I don't know where this came from But the internet decided He's a drunken dribbler Oh my goodness, it's hilarious, bro. This man, Corey Brew is not doing nothing but being a great assistant coach for some random team.

I forget which one. I think it's an assistant coach for the PEP, the Pelicans. Damn, tragic. Good for him. Good for him. Love it. Career after basketball, within basketball. Love that for every retired player.

Next up. Sloppy Topping for OB topping. Oh, gosh. This is real. Oh, you're a next fan. I'm guessing this is real. I've seen several people make this joke before. And so I don't know.

I don't know if basketball reference has acknowledged it as a real nickname. But it's definitely out in the wild. It's out in the ether. People have called him this before. Obie Toppins in getting away with a lot of clumsy shit because he does a lot of cool dunks. He definitely is sloppy topping. This is real. This is not real.

I made this up. I'm sure somebody else made the joke. But this is not a real nickname Slopi Topin is crazy Damn I'm not going on basketball reference And seeing a sloppy topy joke Okay

Yeah I should have I shouldn't have pulled that Damn Get your mind out of the gutter Okay Let's be back This is a PG-13 show It's not fun

Donovan hasn't got a single one This is your team Donovan too Tragic I told you This is bro People have called him this before I thought it was an easy

It's an easy joke. I'm sure I'm not the first one to make it, but it's not a widespread nickname. Bro, next one. The Bostrich for Chris Bosh. This is hard as fuck. This is real. It sounds important enough to be on basketball reference.

I'm going real. This is real as fuck. That neck as long as long as hell, bro. Bostritch, I've never thought of that in my entire life. I want it to be real. Fuck it. Fuck this game. Who cares about this game?

Make it real right now. This is a real nickname. Donovan finally got one right. Let's go. Let's go. The Bostrich is, oh my gosh. Ah! Top to your nickname.

I don't think he would like this very much, but it's hard. He would not. He needs to go and show them to him, bro. It's hilarious. All right, next one. The dry erase marker for Josh Hart. What a hell gave him this nickname? What does that mean?

He collects boards, he races boards. I don't know what this means. Ooh, you're honest. I get it. This is so lame. This is a real one. It's so lame that it feels real. It's real.

It's so lame that it feels real. Who gave him this? I'm not going to lie. This is fake as hell. I thought it was a random thing I could think of. You made the dry erase marker on the board thing. I wasn't even thinking about that. I just picked a random object.

Bro, he grabbed like 15-11 rebounds and sold my dad the other day. This is what he does. Oh, gross. I pulled this out of thin air. I think you're bad luck for me right now, Donovan. I can never side with you again. I would decide with me if I could.

If I had the chance, I would jump ship right now. This is not fun. All right, next one. The soup chef for Kevin Durant. This is weird What correlation does soup have to do with KD? I'm worried. I'm worried.

I don't have any reason, but I'm more real. All he cares about is getting buckets, his gonja, and his mom. What does soup have to do with him? I'm going fake. This is fake as hell again. I made some random shit up. The soup chef. is hilarious, though.

Thought him terrible at this game. Oh, ha, ha. The soup chef, yep, that's Kevin Durant. That'll do it. I thought about that last week. Yeah, no.

The soup is hilarious, man. I don't even know why I thought of those words in that order. That, if you were to give it to some random obscure role player would be like hell yeah but kd his mantra is so simple he made that the soup chef yeah i would if it was patty mills or pat bed i'll be like yep somehow some way soup chef for show that's great that's the last one i think damn i like fine i love this game i love

this game this was hilarious oh can't breathe benjamin buckets soup chef next thing we're gonna do Another new game of sorts. I'm going to show you guys eight NBA players' names, and you're going to have to order them on who you think has the most career points scored. So 1 through 8, like a blind ranking. So real simple, we got eight players. We have them in this tier list.

Not really a tier list, but you know, we're going to order them 1 through 8 based on who you think has scored more points in their career. The players are Blake Griffin, Dennis Rodman, Grant Hill, Derek Rose, Luca Donchich, Mark Gassal, Tray Young, and Trevor Areza. Shout out Trevor Arreza. Trevor a reason it's kind of hard

oh man this is gonna this is so interesting because there's so many you try young's a bucket gator luca of a lot of factors but obviously like there's so much simple things away in this bitch so many things away in this bitch rank these NBA players based on who you think

has scored the most career points all right okay who's the first one you want to tackle Donovan I want to put Blake Griffin at one hmm yeah okay I think, I think Blake Griffin has had a good amount of time doing the little like ring chasing stuff, but also he has a very good couple of years, you know, at his, at his peak, as a top score. I feel comfortable with him at one.

He's no lower than two. I can agree with that. I feel like you're right about that. The first year, his real first year in the NBA, he, he off-rip average like 19 points or so. been doing it for a while but the injuries do add up but i feel comfortable with one no more than like three in my opinion but we could rock the one for sure okay okay do we want to go dennis rodman or trevor arisa as the lowest one else could be tricky those could be tricky for sure Trevor arise has been in the league he was in the league for a minute and he would give

long time cool six seven max nine points a game he was so let's so let's put rodman let's put robin at eight yeah i thought robert played for a long time i understand that i feel comfortable with that he wasn't trevor is like in sort of an iron man as well probably he wasn't playing big men so so he should probably be somewhere around like what like five or six let's do six okay I feel like one of these young guys, either Luca or Trey, is going to be at seven. Just because Trevor, reset, six? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, a reset six. And then maybe either Trey or Luca at like seven, just because they haven't been in the league for that long. But they have played, they, they've been like, so far, Ironman in their own right? But I kind of want to put them a little bit higher. Well, Lucas. This new generation scores a lot more points than most generations. Like, they're both pregenerational scores.

Yeah, but they, but they're not playing the game. games that the older generation is you know Luca Luca misses games right okay trade tray hasn't just 35 and all the ones he plays yeah I want to put them a little bit higher Donovan I want to put them a little bit okay I'll trust you I'll trust you okay so okay okay who do you think should go higher though Luke or a tray I think that's tough because trade he just had his first real injury who i think luka though i do think luka should go higher oh where what are we thinking are they above or

yeah what are you above above for sure all right so you want to put luka at like four and then tray at five okay let's do it okay we can do that grant hill somebody has to he's so weird yeah someone has to go seven damn do we fuck this up now I'm stressed the heat intensifies god this bitch well okay let's do this though let's put Derek Rose at seven because after yeah after the injury he was never able to really really get up there so let's put him there and then love that it's great call and then we could put what marcosol at two grant grant hill at three marcosaw two's fair grand hill at three did he oh okay i don't know i it's tough but i think the longevity of marcosal is probably going to put him up put a long time i know

okay i have i have one thing i think we should we should switch tray and luka because luka did miss the playoffs last year but it's not really the playoffs it's just well I know but oh this this is not like playoff points included as well no oh okay oh okay cool and I'm fine all right let's lock it in you locking us in like Griffin one Mark Nassau 2 Grant Hill 3 Luca 4 Trey Young 5 Arisa 6 Derek row 7 Dennis Robin 8 yeah locking it in let's do it yeah let's like my guys this is a massive Master class of dog shit this is the worst possible outcome you could have had you're nowhere near right Grant Hill is one Blake Griffin two I told you eric rose three

Margusall four Trevor Reza five Luca Trey Dennis Rodman at least you got robin's placement right Damn I don't want to say I told you so We can let the results speak for themselves I took your lead on this one man. No, I took your lead. I told you that one of the new guys is going to be at seven and you're like, no, we have to put him higher.

Trevor Reza was a bucket for a long time. A lot of quarter threes. He was consistent as hell. Oh my goodness, bro. Trevor has 11,593 points. Oh my goodness, bro. Trey and Luka are both at just above 10,000. Damn.

Yeah, let the new age new age pace of the NBA for me damn and Grant Hill was one you guys misguided him yeah no we misguided Grant Hill

like a motherfucker I was sold on Blake Green one for sure understandable at least you got Blake's the closest you got to write besides Rodman

one spot off that's this is in a choice this is by far the worst this we've ever done in TD 30s in series this is worse this is so bad we only got one right

one out of eight right is pitiful Yeah, no, we're like Dylan Brooks tonight, bro. I think he had like zero points, right, Donovan? You went to that game. He might have had two. But his whole job, his whole job was to throw 260 pounds around on Victor Wilma and Yama.

He had no business scoring. He had played 36 minutes, zero points. Damn. Defense was locked down. That is hilarious, really. All right. That's the end of the segment. next thing we're going to do

we're going to do something where we're going to look at NBA players and past generations and talk about how good they would be if they played today more specifically would they be better or worse than they were in their actual decker they played in

see now if you ask any old NBA player they would love to play in today's NBA apparently all of them could average 27 to 35 points per year yeah listen it's easier to score for a lot of people but some people their game

landed itself better to that generation because they were good at making tough shots wouldn't necessarily be the case today it wouldn't be as valuable let's do it man

I'm ready so real simple would this NBA star be better or worse today first off Kobe Bean Bryant way better bro way better

with this space that is here today he would have fucking feast his efficiency would also skyrocket as all naturally he would be better but people wouldn't like him more

people all the nerds if he played the same way all the nerds would be like oh my gosh he takes bad shots he does all the shut up he's getting buckets he's getting buckets and that's what matters i'm gonna go worse i think his skill set of making those tough shots looks bad but that's because it was needed in that time period where you couldn't get to the rim here we go office were bogged down you had him take and make tough shots that skill set isn't as needed today so i think he was perfect for a generation i'm gonna go better then now we don't like 36 point per game scores i see how it is It's okay. That's crazy.

Okay. I think if he was... He's tailor made for it. No, just gnash you with the space that is given all those tough shots that he would, that he was taking would be a lot easier. He would still be taking the same type of shots. He would just have less bodies in the paint. So I think he would be better. But it's easier for everybody, you know.

But he would win more championships in 2000s than he was in 2020s because his game was more standout for that decade. Hmm. No, he fit better for what was needed. I disagree. you said we're hating oh yeah my bad you're hating I'm not hating I'm hating I'm hating what I'm saying he's perfect for a generation

that's not hating it's okay it's okay how is that hating he's perfect for a generation you don't respect the shot making it's fine I see I mean I'm saying that it's okay it's okay what are you fucking talking about you don't like greatness

you don't like five rings that's not what you're saying I am complimenting him that's not what you're saying he gets hated on too much he has a hand You're so blinded by nostalgia, you think everything is hate. And can still make jump shots.

Oh, yeah. No, it's bad to make to make contestant jumps. What are you talking about? Who are you arguing against? Bro, you and the other people that are out here just talking like that, they don't want to have real conversation. What do you mean? The other people. He was exactly what his area needed.

That's why he played that way. All right. Next name. Dirt Nubinsky You probably love him In this era He would be attacked like a motherfucker In the pick and roll defense, bro

He would be picked to smithereens So it's hard He also shoot a lot more threes we played today So do you think that would get more out of him? It would But that defense would just be so brutal bro Like he would be such a focus I mean it was already an issue back then

And now these days with how much ground He would have to cover He already walks funny He's cooked He would be cooked he walked funny when he was 38 we're not talking about old man dirt the defense is an interesting thing

it would be a lot harder for him defendants base would he be cat damn no no I'm just kidding no I'm just kidding I would never disrespect him like that I would never disrespect him like that relax Donovan's by the stone yeah I'm just kidding so his shooting is obviously more fitting to today's game but it was it better back then because he stood out more

because nobody else was doing that I would say he was better for his time for sure better for his time for sure he would still be better today all of all of his yeah all of his shots that were already long twos that you would just convert to to to threes his scoring would be fantastic and you would still be able to build a team or in an offense around everything that he does and young let's not forget young duck was athletic like he could he could move and so the ball handling was crazy too exactly If you get prime dirt with this much space, that many threes,

he's probably still going to get at least one MVP under his belt. I agree. I think he'd be better for today's game too. I think smart coaches would know how to utilize his strengths more than they did in a different era. A hundred percent. Shout out dirt. The defense is an issue, though, so I can see that. Yeah, the defense is the main issue for is the main issue for me.

Yeah. All right. Next player. Dennis Rodman. they don't want him in the league today they don't want him in the league he would be worse in terms of

he'd be so much worse hold on are we not considering Instagram and league fits being a thing now because he would be iconic when it comes to that shit he's Mr. put that shit on

every night of the week boy he would have been the first player with a skin's partnership I can tell you that oh my goodness for you he would have every single partnership of a ship alive bro fashion Nova

fucking boo-hoo man or whatever they call that shit everybody would be everywhere first of all don't actually you don't know what boo-h man is isn't really boo-hoo man

no I don't you will not get a lot of me I don't know of course it's boo-man listen I just seen the ad that's literally it bro have a thought

about talking from there that's why maybe Taylor that's targeted listen Dennis Robb was great for his era there's not a lot of positions in the league today for people who can't shoot

attack off the dribble or pass it's pretty difficult to make it in today's league that way you see PJ Tucker's right in the bench yeah he had a corner three is that his Robin's gonna be pulling from deep no I could pull

I can tell you about 30 look at PJ Tucker who has fire shoes and a three point shot and look at what Dennis Robben has right now he does he has one of those two things I'll give him credit on the shoes no corner three

sorry Dennis you're made for your era next player Yao Ming he'd get ran off the floor really he'd get ran off the floor

he would not be able to to survive I'm sorry he can imagine him trying to guard a Shegildas Alexander Chet Holmgren pick and roll he wouldn't know what to do So you're saying that he would just be

a modern day bull bomb Margaranovich with better scoring on obviously, but defensively, yes. Damn, that's tough. Again, he, again, he's another guy perfectly made for his era. He'd be more Bobo than Boban. Bull, no, no, not, not Bobo, my bad, my bad, my bad.

Not Bobo. He'd be more Taco Fall than Boban. Whoa, that's even worse. Taco is, like, in Spain right now. No, he would be a hit. Yal Ming can still score. He'd still be a good offensive player. he can't have but he can't he probably be shooting threes too if he came up today

he'll be a little shooting touch on him he'll be a jaylon brown would cross him jaylon brown would cross him into oblivion uh been brutal right next player will chamberlain running dunk man he goes stupid he i'm not glad he'd eat today he can go crazy he would well actually he might be worse because the pace wouldn't be as fast

we're getting back to that pace listen he wouldn't be I mean he was like by far the best player in the world back then so it's kind of hard to be better at a different era yeah he definitely is better for that time period I don't see a world and where is he going to be better than Nicole Yolkitz Joellen Bede A.D. Wemby BAM I don't know I don't know if that skill set was be there to match up with. We get Will Chamberl and rolling downhill with space,

catching lobs from Trey Young? I don't know. He, he, he'd break, he'd break when. If he was going downhill on, right,

I can't even say it the right way. If he was, if he was going downhill, Whispy, he would cave Wemby's chest in. So like, he might be crazy.

He might win four rings. So he's better for now. Damn. He's a fast. merchant though I was sick to I was sick to his past I was sick to his yeah he can't be better than the fucking best player in the world averaging 50 points but he'd be pretty great today how many points you think he would average today 35 what yeah wow wow okay a lot

he'd be slightly better yanna all right next player magic Johnson oh my god he'll be feasting today too And like, he'd be better today. He'd be insane in spacing. He would be feasting today, bro. He would dissect any offense, or defense imaginable, bro. Ungartable. Walking mismatch.

You try to switch against him, put little guards on him with that space. He'd be insane. Even though, yeah. He, he, he. Everywhere, bro. He put him in Tyre's Aliburton spot on the basers, kicking it out to all the shooters. He'd be going stupid. Oh, my God, bro.

Yeah. Now, he would be way better with today's. pace and space, row. He could make the person's a good team. If he was playing in his era. That's a herrillion effort. It's a whole statement.

Ben Simmons, we saw him play. He dropped a 30 against LeBron and we thought this guy was the fucking Messiah for a night. We thought he was a Messiah for a night. Magic would do that every night. It would be ridiculous. He would be, bro. He'll be better. He might be, he might be like fucking the goat

this generation. Speaking for a lot of people there. I did not think so. I just saw that tweet this morning. People were like, what happened to this Ben Simmons, man? We thought he was the one. Tragic. No, 2019 me,

he thought Ben Simmons was the next go. I was like, this guy's going to be insane. It's ridiculous. I thought he was the honest, me, too. You got scammed. How the mighty have fallen. His back got scanned.

We all got scammed. Try me out of the true from day one. All right, next player. Larry Bird. Hmm. This is a hard one. I can't say better off Rip because I see a lot of players like him. Not a lot of players like him today, but it could go either way.

It could go either way. Who's like Larry Bird? Luca. They're just white. Okay. I'll say he was better in his era. I think that shot making, it's similar to like why Kobe was better in his era. That shot making and high post passing was really necessary for that era.

He could do it today, but it was the utmost important thing for back then. So I think he'd probably still be better than you saying he's boy on Bogdanovich today. It's a damn shame, Isaac. It's a damn shame. No, he'd be a 6-8, Nicola Yokic. He'd be playing very similarly. Yeah. But it wouldn't be as effective for sure.

He'll be. He's better for his past. They're going to cook in the comments. He'd be good today, though. He'd be nice. He'll be fantastic for it. I think the era that had less mobility and really lets him attack in tight spaces

is better for him. I agree. Definitely better for his past era. He was passing from post to post and we're going crazy. I agree. This is hilarious. All right.

Next player, Steve Nash. He would eat. He would eat. He was already at the forefront of the pace and space, seven seconds or less. You give him more pace, more space.

He's going to Dominique. Yeah. I think the people of the biggest complaint back then was that he didn't shoot enough I think he would shoot more today I think he'd be encouraged to let that shit fly

bro Steve Nash walks so Darius Garland Trey Young and Tyreys Halburn could fucking run bro that is crazy yeah he would do the prototype today

right like he would be exactly what the league needs he helps create this like small guard be a fantastic shooter while also one of the best playmakers archetype. He was one of the first that we saw. He'd eat today.

Better in today's game. Easy money, bro. Good job, Steve. Woo. Fraudial MVP, though. No, my God. Here we go. Multiple frauds and VPs, wow.

All right, that's the end of that segment. Let's get to some more on serious stuff. Next thing we're going to do, it's going to be real simple. I am going to say an NBA player's name, and you guys are going to say the first word that comes to mind Okay

Be unfiltered Just whatever pops in your head Say it We're gonna go rapid fire It's gonna be should be funny These episodes are on HBO MX So we cannot fuck this up Rousable

I'm gonna say an NBA player's name You say the first word that comes to mind Charles Barkley Round mound to rebound Yeah pastries donuts food he's just a circular man like is it's crazy stories for days okay Trey young bald or balding damn that's that's a following that damn yeah oh my god the trade rumors

hawk's ass his hair's been thinning since he was 18 just damn oh my gosh mark is smart oh mohawk overrated yeah he's like 30 with a mohawk bro get over it brother he's gross he's on danny green time yeah oh god never go full danny green yeah Danny green daddy green got away with it though because he was a part of his story Marcus Martin, you haven't been a part of one yet. Lama Hawk was green at one point. It was cool, too. I don't know if it makes you better or worse.

How much your team, but God damn. Kevin Durant. Mm, weed. Score. It's the truth. He's admitted a plenty of time before, bro. It's a chill guy with cool vibes. What do you want me to say?

Jamal Murray. Instagram. No. No, my career. Donovan, you cooked me. It's been years. How? Do not Google, please.

Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. I can't breathe I probably shattered some eardros Oh my gosh I jumped out of my fucking chair Oh my gosh I thought you were going to say playoffs

I was thinking that my jaw Dropped to the ground Instagram It's a damn shame bro Oh my god Oh man man man man Victor Wimanjama Alien

Alien Yeah Yeah Here we go Nice and in sync Patrick Beverly Menace Musty

Oh I don't know That's crazy As disrespectful If I was that to ever guard I've seen people Like Patrick Beverley at LA Fitness Craziest smell

I've ever smelled in my life bro I just know it's disgusting for Patrick bro I just know it all in your face it's like he wants you to smell him it's a part of the defense tactics

damn shut up my god it's the truth uh tragic knees he's alive tragedy damn could have been so great

Chet Holmgren um Abraham Lincoln Yeah Yeah Honest aid Lincoln with a bag Lincoln if he had a he had a hez-paying pole OD

54 from Trayball Off pain pulls is OD Why do you talk like that Just be white chat It's okay Where is he from Be Caucasian it's fine Where is shit home from

from Wisconsin or Minnesota some shit right oh wait really Minnesota yeah he's from Minnesota yeah he's from Minneapolis Minnesota yeah Thai heroes from Wisconsin I think I was joking oh okay that's hilarious John Morant also Instagram don't okay I'm so happy you said that too, man. Dylan Brooks. Menace. Menace. Yeah, just the devil purple emoji. That's how I think of him, bro. Purple orange. Yeah. LeBron James. Go. Woo.

Easy. What? What? He's a good dad. He said, Daddy. That's not what I said. Anthony Davis CDL underrated damn

oh my gosh CDL you're the devil fuck you that's the end of that segment that was fucking hysterical anybody who stopped watching before we got to that you missed out

that was hilarious that was so insurious oh my god we're bringing this back we're bringing this back oh we're for show we're going to this back for so

I'm glad you got it I'm glad you got it what do you want to do next do we want to get serious real quick no I don't I don't want to go ahead let's do it though go ahead okay so up on the board

producer Nikiel is going to show you guys Nekeel yeah I want you guys to go ahead and guess the top 10 rebounding leaders of all time. All right. Think of somebody who

grabbed a lot of balls throughout their entire career. Oh shit. All right, man. All right. All right. Okay, okay. Let's just turn off the lights. First of all is Dennis Robin on this list. Oh my goodness. You came this bitch with a vengeance. But

I'm sad to tell you he is not on this list. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. I thought he grabbed so many You are correct. Kareem is on this list. Okay. Okay, by that logic, is Will Chamberlain on this list? Will is number one on this list, actually. Okay.

Of course. Should have known. Bill Russell. 23K. Bill Russell is on this list. You're cooking. There we go. We're just picking centers.

Low key. There's no way. Is Otter Drummond on this list? Just telling it out there. There's no way, right? That is not a bad guess because he is not on this list. Okay. I didn't think so.

That's not just in case. Not a bad guess, though. Moses Malone. Damn. Here we go. Oh, head back. He is on this list. There we go.

Love it. I was going to say. Tim Duncan has to be on here, right? Played forever. He's steady and ready. You know he's on this list. Of course, naturally. It's just the greatest big man of all time list.

That's all it is. Shaquille O'Neal? Shaquille is not on this list. Hakeem. Oh, that's surprising. Hakeem is not on this list I could have told you that what I knew that did you mm hmm oh who else okay so gonna these ones out the way I know is who else is Kevin Garnett on this list Kevin Garnett is on this list there we go

he played for a minute forever oh is Dirk on this list also play forever oh Dirk is not on this list ah he wasn't grabbing boards his last like 10 years my bad is the Kimbea matumbo on this list what tumbo is not on this no way he didn't play that long who's getting difficult now who's four are we not thinking of who okay is nasty man on this list I'm sad to say but he's on this list God David tragic you are correct that's why it's why I figured twop figure yep damn he was at number seven he was then number seven um okay who else so you got four left eight and ten okay three players uh who would i think of who are you overlooking from other generations other great big men

is there anybody that's not a big on here like it's lebron on this fucking list no it'd be random i don't think so uh not a bagel bigs who are you overlooking it's probably something real simple number four there's a goat there that we're not thinking about are gonna hate yourself Okay, uh, man, I got a look at this NBA. I got to look at the team logo is, uh, is David Robinson on this list. Oh, oh, Dave Robinson is not on this list, buddy. Oh, my God. Who could you guys are going to hate yourselves. I'm not. I'm not. I'm going to find the answer. Charles Barkley. Damn. He's not on this list. God damn. Wow. Wow. Wow. Lock something hidden. Um, um, wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. It's crazy. Who are we not thinking of?

I can't believe you guys are forgetting him. It's an all-time great. All-time great for sure. Chamberlain Russell. Who are the greatest? Okay, so Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Bill Russell, who is this? Like, artist Gilmore?

No, that's a deep cut. Oh, thank God. That'd be so ridiculous. Oh, who are we thinking of? Kevin McHale? I don't know. Mm. He's not on this list, buddy.

I think I may got you guys tapped out potentially. But there's one that you guys have to fucking get at least, bro. We're missing, man. We're missing somebody. It's going to... Missing an easy one.

It's going to be terrible. I can't give no hints either. I can't give no hints. I wish I said Shaq. Hakeem Shaq, Shack, Broginson. It's not... Who's playing forever? Who is it that so easy?

easy that he's saying we're forgetting we should be ashamed of who is it is like youing no it's not patrick ewing motherfucker what oh my god i don't know this is crazy all time great wow shame on both of y'all do we lose shame shame shame shame shame you guys should lose you guys might be cooked we might five four three uh uh three uh Two, I heard you said Dennis Rodman. One, it's over. At number 10 is Dwight Howard. Oh, fuck.

He's not an, I was thinking like top 15 player of all time. Eight, Robert Parrish. You guys are in the same vein, so I wouldn't blame you for that one. And number four, Elvin Hayes, who is deep. I was never getting this one. You guys were never getting that one. Yeah. I have not thought about Elvin Hayes since 2K15.

He was in two kids Oh man I didn't even Listen man Power to you Isaac You were deep in there Trenches

Damn man The first top 10 we lost Wow I don't blame you guys I don't blame you guys Elvin Hayes is tough But Dwight Howard Oh my goodness

I couldn't believe You forgot about Superman I know my bad Alright next thing we're gonna do Another new game Got this from Babita Tailgate

He does this a lot With random people on the street Man on the street videos I love them Makes some videos Yeah they're good We're gonna name random 2010's NBA players until somebody messes up all right so we'll see which one of us

folds you gotta go fast if you hesitate you mess up if you say somebody who's not random that's like a star like you know you mess up has to be 2010's player real simple pressure's gonna be on I gotta go fast okay yeah I didn't do it okay let's name random 2010 NBA players until somebody messes up Nick Young what's the order with Yeah, we need to order. We need to order. Me, Donovan Mo. Cool.

Okay. All right. Start over. You use the same one. Nick Young. Steve Blake. Dabocephalosa. Eric Bledso.

Jordan Farmer. Steve Novak. Steve Novak. Chatting Fry. Jared Jeffries. Kendrick Perkins. Jared Bayliss. Trevor Reza.

Nick Collinson. Omar Ashik. Sasha Buyich. Norse Cole Bull Bull Andre Robeson Damari Caro I haven't thought about

DeMarie Carroll forever bro he's a he's an assistant coach of the Lakers Michael Scholar Mike Muscalo Deshawn Stevenson Fuck damn it this should be my bag Yeah I folded I folded I folded I folded damn it's too easy Yalti should go now Yalta should go into the

they fail, yeah, y'all two should go until y'all fail. Mario Chalmers. Roderique Boubois. I don't know who that is. You gotta be fake. He gotta be lying. DJ McConnell. Mike Bibby.

Delano Blanton. Chuck Hayes. Close. Okay, that's tough. That's hard. Is that a 2010 player? Yes, he is. He used to play on the Raptors.

He used to be like a 6-6 power forward center. What's he matth? Is that too known? That's good. That's good. Is it? It's good. It's pass.

It's pass. Carl Landry. Josh Jackson. Okay. Eric Damp here. Oh, those. Joggin Bender. Ah.

It's over. Damn. Oh, my goodness. Zorong Drogic next. Oh, Zoran Jus. He would have got me out the goddamn seat. For no reason to. that's hilarious

you see those TikToks that's like guys are to sit here and name old players for hours I can do this I kind of want to play this again I don't got it again

I was too stressful I know bro I got to play old 2Ks again All right that's the last thing we had That's the end of this episode A long one A hilarious TikTok time

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