The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The GREATEST NBA Players OF ALL TIME | Ep. 50

Episode Date: August 18, 2023

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So as y'all can tell, we're live in-person, episode 50. Oh, wow. This is the first time Mo and Donovan I've met this weekend. Thanks. Or at least in person, you know? My brother. Loud dad. Oh, those in sync as a golden doubt.

Wow. Yeah, so we told you all there's going to be something special for episode 50. It's the fact that we're finally doing one in person and not via Zoom. So here we are. And to match that special occasion, we're doing something you guys have asked us for since we started the damn show we're doing our all-time lists not just top 10 not just go debate

full top 30 it's gonna be great it's a good way to cap off our ranking tiers for the season I'm kind of terrified I'm gonna cook me yeah I'm looking forward to it episode 50 313 K in

how you feeling bro this list honestly this list was one of the easiest and the hardest because I think like once you get down like when we saw with the shooting guard list like once you get down like past 20 it's like yeah like who am I put it on this list like these are some bumps but like obviously these are the top 30 players of all times so like so like exactly but like you get to you get to like 25 and 29 and like those numbers and it's like oh I can't believe I'm leaving so and so off my list I can't believe this person down my list and it's just like I'm very excited to get into this bag because I want to see where y'all put everybody yeah when we did the power forward list for numbers like 30 on the list, I was like, Kenyon Martin Jr., Zach Collins. So it's refreshing as hell to be debating

like Alan Iverson versus Kauai Leonard and shit like that. Yeah. We're not in hell anymore, I'll say that. Never. We made it out the hood, out the rankings hood. Yeah, man, three minutes in the show. I'm excited. Let's jump straight into these rankings. Let's go. Let's do it. I guess, as always, I can start me pull up this list.

You first, me second, Donovan, third. Yeah, we'll go around the room. I did so many, like, last minute alterations to this list. and like I want to see what what's your definitive 30 through 25 before I say it's actually we're standing on this we're standing on these top 30 yeah you go hold us to it for the rest of time until we do another one of these lists next year exactly yeah one year to hold us accountable to this it's the best way to know if you know but in this moment this is how I feel before I name this bottom five

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with him day by day but get him out here for real let's do it y'all who's your top 30 let's let's go my bottom five at number 30 I have Scotty Pippin okay mr. six rings a good ring 29 Chris Paul 28 Kauai Leonard 27 James Hardin

got some of the young guys in there right now 26 Charles Barkley okay oh that's five yeah this was the hardest one for me to rank because it ended up being like like said a lot of the younger guys who were like still in their careers, but I've clearly broke into the top 30. Yeah.

And I left off John Stockton, Steve Nash, Alan Iverson, uh, Patrick Ewing. So like there was some hard cuts to get CP3 and Pippinin. Yeah. But did you all agree with those? Who's your, it depends. Who's your first cut? Who's that 31? Alan Iverson.

I felt really bad about leaving him off my list. He's the best player ever. No, you don't. No, you don't. You're in Alan Iverson. Hey. You're one of those people who are like, listen, he's a, he's a, he's an efficient Chachuker, it's just a product of the 2000s.

It's probably on Iverson, him or Steve Nash. Okay. Man, Patrick Ewing's a tough cut, but it's one of those three. I guess I'll say AI, but Steve Nash had really was on the tip of my tongue, too. I'm trying to, I'm trying to think about this. But for some reason, I want to say, I don't know if CP3 is top 30. Is he not, is, he's, what? Do you not on your list?

He, no, it's not crazy. He's a cut. He got cut from my list. Oh, he is definitely not crazy to say just because the playoffs success isn't there. Yeah, and I'm thinking about like, yeah, the playoffs success, and a lot of that has to do with like luck entirely situational, all this stuff. And CP3 generally has some of the worst luck I've seen in NBA history, arguably top three worst, you know? And it sucks because this is like a non-basketball thing. When it comes to just straight up hoops and what you can do on the court and how you elevate your team on every single level, he's top 30. But I'm thinking of best of all time, grades of all time.

those things have to be factored into these type of conversations and because of how treacherous and how much turmoil tends to happen towards the start of spring start start a summer like I'm sorry but he just couldn't make my list but you know I respected I like to see him the deciding factor which a lot of the deciding factor for these lists was defense because a lot of these stars put up offensive production carry a load CP3 is obviously one the best playmakers of all time a really high level score as a young guy the difference was he's a nine time all defensive player

as a six foot two point guard that's absurd it's like i didn't do him to not over like steve nash who isn't that level defender that matters to me a lot how hard was ranking kawai for you because that i found when i was making my list that was one of the ones where it's like yeah it really really was tough trying to figure out where where to put him on the list yeah i mean it should be hard i kind of like decided a long time ago that i'm going to give kawai credit credit in like legacy debates because like he's unlucky obviously dealt with degenerative injuries that have like really shortened his prime and stuff yeah but I decided a while ago that his prime is so incredible and that he did so much in such a small amount of time all three years of it

exactly literally but the fact that he has five all-star seasons where you say healthy but in two of those but actually one wasn't in that front in that window but twice he's been a final as MVP and been of accomplished that much that that matters to me like that's almost some people knock it against him for having a short prime but I'm like he only had so many bites at the apple and he still accomplished stuff at the highest level exactly with a shorter window I give him credit at least be top 30 yeah i think i had him higher on my list just because when he was in his peak in his prime bro like you know 2019 season the clutch shots all that and on top of that going back to when he was on the spurs uh being so key and pivotal to guarding lebron and all

and all that through those years like it's yeah he easily has to be i think i like the range i understand why he's not higher I out me personally I would have him higher than Barkley just because like Barkley's Barkley and he didn't win anything and you know because of other things that were control controllable yeah you know he kind of derailed himself but at the day like you know I like it I like it I really can't argue because these are the three greatest players of all time and so I have I don't imagine myself having gripes unless we're in like the top 10 to 15 range yeah yeah I didn't want like Barkley over like Hardin Kauai just for I he

deserves credit for longevity like they don't have that yet partially because their careers are still going on but it was like when you compare their resumes and it's obviously kawai has the ring barkley has an MVP which matters that's a that's also an accomplishment that I weigh like almost to the same level as a ring really and an MVP is the same in your head as like a ring I mean I don't know I mean I'm not sorry you're like it's exactly equivalent I thought about that but in terms like notches on a belt when you're doing like tiebreakers yeah like or like one people somebody has three new rip three mpies and everything else is equal i'm like okay he was deemed the best player in the world three times like yeah that matters like throughout the list a lot of times

i kind of gave credit to people who at one point could be argued as a best player alive that means a lot to me yeah i'm happy you just said that that means a lot to me that is going to be the theme of this episode because when he comes to talking about the greatest players the best players of all time everyone this list is subjective is hell and just depends on what you value at the end of the day. Now, with that being said, there still can be some egregious things. When it comes on my list, you might see some egregious things. Just know it is, it is what it is and it's what I have out. Listen, there's already, there's already some cuts that, like, some stuff that I see on, on Isaac's list where I have some cuts. I already know. Yeah. And I, and I've, I've made some

stuff. Yeah. So there's already a whole bunch of names that like I'm leaving off on my list. So I want to get to my like first five on here. So at 30, we got Elgin Baylor. 29 we have Patrick Ewing 28 we have CP3 27 James Harden 26 Charles Barclay the two that I left off and I'll just say it right now

I don't have Scotty Pippin on my list and I don't have Kauai Leonard on my list Ooh Why don't you have Scottie Pippen on your list I think for Scotty like the defense obviously is amazing and he's one of the best swing defenders we've ever seen

I think that with a lot of these other guys they had the opportunity for either half a decade or a majority of a decade to be the driving point of a team and to have a team built around them and for Scotty we only saw that for like a year and a half yeah and they made it to the eastern conference finals but that season ends with the last shot of him refusing to go out onto the court because he wanted to be the one to take the shot and he's not like this team player and it's like it really like spoils that entire season for him and so it's like I look at

Scotty, and it's just, I just don't see the offensive production that a lot of these other guys have. And then for Kauai, you talk about, oh, like, we have to give Kauai credit. I'll give him credit. And again, he's one of my first cuts on this list. To me, he's one of the biggest what ifs in NBA history because he just hasn't stayed up. But it's not a what if he led a team for the championship. And it happened. Like, he did it.

Like he did what you wanted to do if he had the full length of a career. One time. No, everybody else on this, everybody else on this list has. done it for like a decade and kawai even the first finals MVP like listen shout out to you i'm not using yeah i'm not using the first one because it's like you you played on the team with tim duncan tony park in that system you still weren't kawai leonard and there's been like three to four years where kawai lennard has actually been peak kawai leon of like this insane two-way guy and every other year he gets hurt in the playoffs and we just can't you just you can't rely on him but someone like

cp3 and hardener on there And they've done it for a decade They did for longer But they didn't do the end goal During that time And Kauai did that in a shorter window He still If you're saying he's the biggest what if

It's because you typically When you say that It's like oh if you could have played For a decade and business prime He could have led his team to a championship He could have did so and so He still did that Like just because

He didn't have the padding But like he still accomplished the end goal You'd want him somebody That's a what if to accomplish I want to see Kauai And like again I'm like 95% sure He would have done it

Yeah right But I just can't do it Whenever we're talking about top 30 and like James you talk about like tiebreakers James Hardin won an MVP Chris Paul again has been like the epitome of consistency everywhere he goes he wins he takes he takes his Oklahoma City team that was supposed to be tanking and gets them into the playoffs and but who's going to remember that moment and how consistent he was compared to the run that Kawhi Leonard went on. It's, again, it's fair, but like, however good that you think that Kauai Leonard is defensively, Chris Paul, like doubles him up on defensive, on defensive first teams. Like, he, like, Chris Paul is not a slavis defensively either. And so if, like, on a power ranking type thing, CB3 has absolutely everything except for the ring.

And that's the one thing that Kauai has, but he doesn't have really everything else. Yeah. So I'm not, again, he's one of my first cuts. I would take Elgin Baylor because I think that Elgin Baylor is like a bucket And Algin Baylor, a bucket Okay Those plumbers couldn't stop him

Yeah, they couldn't figure it out I thought you had him low I have a little higher Like he's on my list I think I have him higher too It's hard to put him higher Because when you play in that era But we're talking about like plumbers and firefighters And stuff like that

And you like you have one ring And there's other guys who we'll see later on this list who have more rings who have like more stats than he does so like I'll give him the respect but the league was so young at that point it's just really really hard

that's why I don't have them too much higher because stuff like that like you know Bill Russell Jerry West the guys that were like the best of the best Bill Russell won all the rings Jerry West was the best player in the league for like 10 years I have them really high

Elgin Baylor is like on the list but not quite as high for that reason like you give him the nod for being a 12 time all star or whatever but he's not going to be like top 10 or anything yeah so I get it Wow But yeah, do y'all feel any type of way about Patrick Ewan being on there?

He's on my list, yeah. Okay. He's on my list for sure. That's fair, for sure. It was just, I gave, I guess he was one of the first cuts. Looking back, I could have put him or Alan Irison over Pippen. I kind of just gave Pippen credit for knowing that if he played his whole career as a one option, he could have done like every year All-Star type shit too and like been a one option.

Yeah. We all know he's that level of playmaker, that little finisher at the rim. One of the best primitive defenders ever. I just didn't hold it against them that he played with Michael Jordan. like that he got held back statistically by that and kind of gave him credit for what we all know he could scale to if he had the opportunity. Yeah.

And just like being the best second option of all time and enabling that run to happen. Like he obviously wasn't as important as Michael Jordan. No one is. But as far as second options go, he was like as essential as any ever. Okay. Okay.

I'll go with that. The best second option ever versus like the 40th best one number one option. I guess I'll give Pippen the credit when you know he could be that number one option too if he had to. Okay. Yeah, I like that logic. Let's go ahead and roll into my next. five or to my first five yeah

who you got at 30 so at 30 I have Scotty pimping 29 I got Patrick Ewing okay 28 I'm so so sick to see that Russell Westbrook didn't make either you guys list or not yeah no no yeah 27 I got Isaiah Thomas 26 I have James Harden I have

thoughts I have mainly Westbrook no it's not even Westbrook it's Isaiah Thomas I think you're being incredibly disrespectful to Isaiah Thomas right now. Should be mad at me, too. I'm not going to like me either. How is Isaiah Thomas at 27?

How is he only a step up for Russell Westbro? Let me and all the people know why he should be higher. Why do you feel that way? Isaiah Thomas is... Listen, Isaiah Thomas and the bad boy pistons as a whole are one of the most underrated, like, teams in NBA history. And for Isaiah Thomas, who average basically like 19... and 10 his entire career is how what's up how many times do you think Isaiah Thomas broke

10 assists per game how many times you think you average 20 and 10 I am going to guess four yeah it's exactly four you probably need like you looked earlier that's why I kept them down a little bit is that his peak really great 21 and 14 one year but some of the guys above him just had more years of like top tier production and output that I have to say numbers or everything like not you don't have to be a 30 point per game score like I see 3 on there but there's some guys above him who had either just as much success when it comes to rings and leading a team we're having just more of a burden offensively that he carried as a was a good defender but we're not going to act like he was like locked down like it wasn't Gary Payton so I just think

some guys carried more of a burden and carried the offense more while also having comparable success offense as a team being being able to to average where he averaged for his career and then also being the leader of this school down and show people the stats and then and then also being able to like to lead to his team the way that he did And here's why the Pistons are so underrated. When we get to the top of our list, there's going to be guys like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird and Michael Jordan. And those guys and Isaiah Thomas is the only person, right, who beat all of them. He beat, he beat Jordan down.

He beat Magic getting in the finals. He beat Bird to get to the finals. He did all the winning. And nobody else, like when you talk about like NBA all 75, right, like who had the best teammates. Isaiah Thomas didn't have anybody on the NBA 75 And not to say obviously Like Joe Dumars is a scrub or anything

But you look at the Hall of Fame talent That everybody else has And Jordan has Pippin And Magic has Kareem and James Worthy And Bird has McHale And Isaiah didn't have that And he's able to win back to back titles Against all of them

And it's like How is he so low And compared to somebody like CP3 Who's at like 28 for me 29 for Isaac at the back half? And he has the rings. He has the production against the top competition that we've ever seen in the league. Wow.

Did you put CP3 in your list? No, I told you earlier. So we both have him higher. So we both have Isaiah Thomas higher because I think Isaiah Thomas is like you said, comparable to CP3 except he won, so he's hired. He's much higher. I think he's much higher for me. He doesn't have him on his list.

So clearly he's good at my eyes. He's like 31, 32. He's much higher on my list. I think that Isaiah is that whole, that whole, that whole team, they really are disrespected, I think. Because everybody just says, like, oh, they just fouled their way to a championship. And

I mean, not really. Like, they played defense better than everybody else. And they were able to stifle some of the greatest offensive talents we've ever seen. And he just doesn't get credit for it. And it sucks. You're speaking true gospel right now, Donovan.

And you might have moved me. No, no, no, no. Let's wait until we get more. I moved them. I moved him. We'll come back to this. Hold on. we'll come back to this because let's see after we get the next five we'll see who's above him and go back to Isaiah Thomas and have the debate one-on-one because that's what's more important is we got to see who Moe has is the five above him so we can go one by one and see why

Isaiah Thomas deserves to be above him let's go my next five 25 Isaiah Thomas still low not much higher 24 dirk who I feel like it's my most controversial placing on this list I think I'd have him lower than most people would you don't respect 2011 not as much as everybody else I guess because I don't think it makes him god I mean I think it's a great accomplishment That's why he's, you know, up there. That's why he's not James Harden. You know, if he didn't win that ring, he'd be James Hardin. He'd be the same player, basically.

But he's 24. Eldron Bailey 23. 22 Wade, 21, David Robinson. I wanted to put a little bit higher. Yeah. But I spent, like, a good amount of time nitpicking back and forth, David Robinson versus other comparable bigs. Yeah.

Like, David Robinson versus like, Yokish was hard for me. Obviously, Yokich is higher. Spoiler. I don't know if some people thought left him off the list. I fucking didn't. Okay But yeah We'll obviously

We'll go back to Isaiah Thomas Once we see Mo's next live What else do you have issue with? I honestly I like what you're headed right now I think you're cooking You're cooking something Because I'm kind of around

The same like area The only thing is just funny Is how wildly different You might have Elgin Baylor Yeah 30 to 24 is He's so hard to rank It's hard to rank people

Who started their career in 1950s It's ridiculous Yeah, bro. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to... Who was the president in 1958? Come on, listen. Listen, I did not pass my...

He pulled it up. Who was the president in 1950s? I didn't pass my A push test. I don't know. President in 1958. Dwight Eisenhower. Yeah, bro. Elgin Baylor was hooping when Dwight Eisenhower was in office.

What year was Elginberler born in? Can you Google that? That has to be 1930-something? Ninety-four. That's a bad picture. him as well. That's crazy. They really disrespected. Was Al J. Baylor born during World War I?

Yeah. Or was at the 20s? That was before. That was like seven years. Yeah, I got an American education. I can't remember. He was born before Hitler invaded Poland. That's crazy. And we're trying to talk about how good he could. It's hard. It's hard. He was great. It's easier when you have someone like Bill Russell or Jerry

West, whoever, he'd have like so many accomplishments that like, you can just say they dominate the era, best player of the era. that's easy to say like all you can do is play in your era someone like elgin who great career but essentially just accumulated stats for a decade which is impressive but it's hard to give them that credit you could do other guys when you played 50 years before the competition is what it is today facts no i agree you're you're cooking with something obviously i don't like your isaiah thomas placement i think dark is a little bit too low um but what about the names above him which would you put him about the three above him yeah i would okay

Tell me what do you do well actually actually I should actually know maybe maybe there I'm being I'm in for I forget my placement of stuff But 20 it's really just the placement of Dirk at 24. Yeah. And so like once we get lower. There's probably some mismatching that we have to do. Yeah. But I just like he just feels like he should be high. She'd be above D. Wade. Uh she first. Yeah. She'd be able to wait. No. Do you wait? I like greedy way. I agree. No. There's no way. You can't wrap that. I understand. I think you're putting you a little bit too much weight on that tinkler 20. 11 year everyone does he went through who he went to okay c all then boys like it's deep he beats brandon row in the first round sweeps coby and the defending champion lakers beats the thunder in like five games yeah and then six games comes back down to one against the heat great accomplishment i respect them very much it's one of the greatest runs it's one of the greatest finals runs and it's probably top three all the top one or two like it's this or coming back down 3-1 LeBron like in 2016 like it's it's up there i just don't think in the same way one year

of like failure doesn't like ruin somebody's legacy i'm not going to let one year of peak be like make me blind to the fact that david robinson is an all-world defender and dirk is average at best at his peak like a whole side of the ball someone like david robinson is dominant when dirk is ineffective so like the competition is one thing but who they are as a player so there's a lot of people above him there are comparable offensive players but impactful defensive players i think dirk's peak offensively gets a little bit underrated but also the fact that he is able to be like the first like stretch forward that you can actually run an offense around and really kind of change how people view like offense and to be fair like view european players yeah that is true dirk is the reason why a lot

of that's changing because he's because he's able to go and also dirt dirt had the very misfortune of being on a team owned by Mark Cuban because Mark Cuban didn't do anything for him. Yeah, he was, he was, he doesn't get talked about enough. He doesn't catch enough strays. Listen, people think that just because he's on Shark Tank, he's just like amazing business mind. That's not the case.

He had him who've been next to like an aging Michael Finley, Josh Howard and old Jason kid, right? Like he wins that ring with Deshaunson, Jason Terry, and JJ Berea. Be in his point. And Tyson, and Tyson, as well but it's not a great cast he's not playing with all stars every year no he's mid we just did an NBA championship tier

list and we all give them D because the team is mid exactly which makes Dirk's accomplishment even better I agree it's just like the only names above him D Wade more rings if you're doing the whole ring thing granted he had LeBron's a little different I think his peak was better as well yeah he's just better build archetype

of a player more effective on the court in every single situation imaginable so I just leaned towards that was dramatic I think but I agree I agree he's better he's just good an offensive player and for his position more impactful defensively I think yeah yeah and like Robinson I think we get the next five

can we get my next five real quick because I I need to remember where I put Wade in this conversation oh wow and so but first in 25 I've Carl Malone 24 David Robinson you're sick oh 23 Dwayne Wade 22 I have

Yokic 21 I have Janus let it be known I did not rank that man on my list I let them off oh yeah for sure nasty man is not on my list Listen, I don't name him over here. I understand that we have done our best right to erase the nasty man from history. However, he's like the third leading score in NBA history. Like, he got buckets for a minute.

Like, I got to put him. I got to put him there. He's 11 time all NBA. Like, it's, it's kind of there. But that's my next five. And I have weighed at 23. I think me and you should vote right now to overrule. him and remove car malone from his list and put quiet under 30 should we just like destroy his

list for him i like the way you're thinking that's what is this car malone's off his list quile under 30 we're never we're never shooting in person again i'm not rocking with this i'm just kidding anyway he can leave mr 13 on his list if he'd like he liked to mr 13 so discuss the the next the next five yeah where are you gripes david romison's too low why Because he is underrated offensively, his ability, he's kind of like the early version of Janus. It was like this fast guy who can run the floor, can run the break with the ball hand, the better than you think. Defense is immaculent. Top tier defensive player, two-way impact.

Like, he's like Janus, but he's more accomplished. He has the MVP. He has multiple rings. He did it for a longer amount of time. Janus will watch out. I got Yonis higher than him, so never, I'm not going to say that. But he's a similar mold. I don't have him too much higher.

And like, well, I guess I don't have. Can okay I wonder who you have above him actually because now I'm thinking about it I have Robinson hard than you but I also have Yonis and Yokish a lot higher so it's hard for me to say Like you clearly had people above all of them that I have below so here's okay here's my thing on Robinson Great he has all the rings right two-way player he didn't he didn't do any of that winning before 10 Dungan showed up That is he didn't he didn't he didn't do he didn't do any we can play that game to a lot of people he didn't know But he didn't do it be all three of his rings come in a five-year span after Tim Duncan shows up.

He's great. He gets the MVP, though. Get busted by Hakeem. Hakeem is eating him alive. And we will see this later with Hakeem. But, like, Robinson has some stuff where it's like, when you were the guy, you guys weren't making runs like that. Wade, I'm giving Wade credit for the couple of rings.

The reason why I would put him below Dirk, below Yokic, below Yonnas. Yeah. that listen oh six matters a lot it really really does but he was getting bounced out in the first round every year before from oh seven to 2011 he was getting bounced out by joe johnson and the hawks by by paul pierce and the in the celtics like there's some there's a stretch in wade's career where it just wasn't great would you like to hear the team david robson play with before they got Tim Dungan in 1994 the year he averaged 30 tell me shooting guard willie anderson who I don't know Corey Crowder who Terry Cummings fire video video

fire viney down negro that's the name I know he's whyreisley Sean Elliott okay finally good player Elliot nice Jack Haley avery Johnson nice a player I've heard of Mosca's TV the corpse of Moses Malone Julius Nuosu which sounds like a football player name Chuck person J. R. Reed the corpse of Doc Rivers actually no he wasn't yet old but Doc Rivers, like, not in his prime. Dennis Robin, he was a problem child bouncing around the league before the Bull saved his career

and Chris Whitney. You just talked about how Dirk had the ownership that gave him nobody around him and he finally got a team he could win and then you penalized David Robinson for only winning when his team was good. No shit he didn't win with fucking Dennis Rodman

out here in the streets being crazy. Let me tell you something. What year was that? 94. Do you know who won the championship that year? That was the team. That was the first Rockets team. A better team.

Go look at that team. It's Hakeem rocking with Kenny Smith and Oda's good. Well, you know what? Kenny Smith and Otisthorpe. Hakeem Olajuwon, if we're talking about anybody facing mismanagement for an extended period of time, it's Hakeem Ologger 1. And he gets two rings while David Robinson is getting. And that's why I'm giving Hakeem credit.

Guess what? He's 10 spots higher for reason. Like, Dave Robbins. Kakee's 10 spots higher than David Robinson. 10. Wow, you've been disrespectful already. Ooh. What do I mean?

I have a key. He's playing. Dave Robinson at 21. This is, that's a 95 one, right? Where they get Clyde. But the year, the year prior. Click the previous season right there. Yeah.

The year prior, it's Hakeem and Scott Brooks, Matt Bullard, Sam Cassell, Mario Ellie, Robert Ory, Vernon Maxwell. Otis Thorpe. That's why he's pushing top 10 and Dave Robinson isn't. I agree. Hakeem's much better. That's not the point. I understand that.

But I'm saying don't act like it's not possible. If that's why he's top that basically top 10 and Dave Robinson not and I'm saying Robinson wasn't able to get the job done with the with those cast and we've seen guys who are going to be much higher on this list would Durk have won that team He did it in 2011 That team was way better. He did it. He got the job done Dirk got the job done. That's why he's higher that Hakeem got the job done. That's why he's a lot higher and we will see this moving forward, but yes, I think that David Robinson out of the... How many all gamers are on the Hakeem team? No. And compared to...

And how many Alphamers are on Dirks? None. If you compare that, no. No, no, he had a Jason kid. He had a just kid. He had just a watched Jason kid. Still a very effective, but yeah, not just, not his prime. It's whatever.

Don't not act like the 2011 Mavericks aren't leagues better than the 1994 Spurs. That's hilarious. All I'm saying, all I'm saying is that, and this is why I'm giving dirt credit. But for Robinson and specifically for him, there's a very big period of his career where, he is not getting the job done amongst the other great centers in the league in a league where if you have one great center even if you look at like the 94 Knicks

and like John Starks is their second best player you see a lot of other examples in the league they win you see they get to finals and stuff like that but I'm saying you get to you get to see a lot of other players with terrible teams around them do more and go further it than what Robinson was.

And so that's why I have him below Wade, below Yolkich and below Yonnas. Okay, I mean, again, I have him below them as well besides Wade. I'm just, the name's above him. I don't know who they are. Okay, Isaiah Thomas, you have obviously higher. You don't, we'll see. We'll go back to him, like we're going to back to IT,

and then we'll debate individually because he's somebody I feel strongly about in the same way you do about IT. Robinson? Yeah. Wow. Okay. Well, I wonder where you do have Dirk at, man. That's...

Me too. Yeah. I'm so curious how much higher he has him. Let's see Moines next five. All right. So at 5 25 I have dirk 24 kawai that's high that's high that is high but man what he was able to do in such a I respect it span he got do the yeah the amount of people credit for not playing games huh we giving people credit for not playing games a lot of times that he didn't play games it's not it's not his fault you want a

of them motherfuckers yeah exactly 24 kawai 23 Charles Barkley 22 Eldon bainer Baylor respect respect 20 20 i love it to disrespect yeah and then 21 i got david robinson perfect placement is it perfect placement same place i got him i'm three spots below y'all and he's literally in the same tier and you guys are out here trying to crucify me no no it is three spots this is ridiculous you guys you guys didn't nitpicking for no reason for no reason these videos are all nitpicking Man. But no, yeah, it is just three spots. That's funny. I just, I did think is I was thinking I could put Robinson higher and I was being conservative. So to have him like even lower than this, I feel like 21's is floor.

I just know that I have Yokic higher than Robinson. Me too. And so that's why I was like, wherever Yokic is, Robinson has to go after him. I agree. Because Yokage is better. And that's the, that's the thing that I'll stand on. If we want to move him up, moving up. Air.

Good. Yeah. Hey, Newsflash. Yok is like that. Yokage is like that Better than all your faves, sorry And so, yeah So I have to

This is more about respect for For Yokich than disrespect For Dave Robinson Okay man, I just realized I left someone off my list Don't know how I did it Who is it? The logo

Oh, you love Jerry West? The logo I don't remember putting his name On my list at all Just tell him, respect It's different though It's the literal The literal logo, man

Man, that's marketing propaganda, you're fine Someone was one of the best players Though the best player For a very long time I have on my list He's on my list. Good.

All right. What's next? My next five. One more. I have Moses Ballone at 20. Okay. Nicole Yokitch at 19. Wow.

Yonis at 18. Kevin Garnett at 17. And Julius Irvin at 16. I love the Julius Urban placement. I like this parent. This is your best. This out of all the rankings we've done, this is the best five player span that you've had.

This just seems perfect for everybody. Yeah. Okay. I think Moses Malone is very underrated in these talks. When you just like, I don't, most of you realize he's a three-time MVP and like just how truly dominant of an offensive force he is like he's very similar to Shaq and the way he plays and the way

he's just like physically dominant over everybody and strongly they everybody just can't be fuck with like when you're comparing him to like who I have like Dirk a lot of people would have Dirk above Moses Malone I think Moses is probably a better if an equal offensive player he actually has defensive strengths he's not the best offender in the world I think mostly was a motor issue people say about Malone but you know compared to Dirk he's fucking all world defensively yeah three the MVP's won the ring 12 all stars which is a lot of times you see that's kind of the number you see with a lot of these guys the baseline which means prolonged success over a decade

you could put you can if you put him over yokish and yonis because they just need more time to accumulate stuff i'd understand i just for those who specifically i'll touch on that because i haven't hired than you and a lot of people were going to have issues with that because they're so young yokich is only at four years of prime when do you have them higher than me yokeets yeah Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought you're talking about Moses. No, no, no.

Like, Yokoish and Janice, I have them higher. I'm just not going to hold them back because time, because they're still going. Sure, injuries can happen. Maybe their prime gets cut short. If that happens, I'll take it to the chest. They should be lower, I guess. But I'm going to assume they keep doing their thing and have the long careers that you'd expect them to have. Relax.

I'm just going to assume they keep doing their thing. Even if they don't make any more notable MVP's rings or anything, just get to a regular 10 years of prime. that's where they'll be at least got you guys my question lies within that whole i'm not even looking at yokech because i like it whatever cool i'm also looking at the yannis versus kg that's a constant back and forth that i seem to feel like no one really has a grasp on who exactly is better now i will say i have a very similar ranking to where you guys have them at but you know like there's so much things there's so much to factor because these two

played at a very different era and I feel like me personally if KG was to play in today's NBA he'll be fucking feasting. The space is ridiculous to handle the job, the defenses I feel like he just literally perfect. Some look

comparable to be honest. He'd be what we wanted younger AD to be you as you got older. He would be like 2018 AD with the win system. Yeah. Yeah I agree. I So would you put Yonis above KG? What's your next spot? What's your next five?

Me? No, I had KG. I had KG higher, but only one spot higher, I think. Originally, I had KG below Yokic, which means below Yonis. I ended up going to KG just because it's kind of inverse of what I was just saying about giving Yonis and Yokch credit they're going to do it. Yeah. It was just like Kaji had similar accomplishments, but we already know he had prolonged

excellence. So they were so equal. And he like, he had the same type of ceiling as those two guys. So I gave him that nod. Yeah. But I, Yonisch is going to pass. them both up yonis will see but i'm not mad at going kg behind them all right so here's my next five d win at 20 kd is at 19 oh shit he has no back i got katy at 19 i got kitty at 19 i have to

i have to i have to i'm thinking about best players of all time everything is taking into consideration i love talent-wise i would love to have him higher but the nbate is not only about talent bro just like if if the NBA was about talent bro there'd be Fucking Brandon Jennings would be some of the, like, bro, like, I'm sorry, but he can't. That's a wild pool. That's a wild pool. I'm just thinking of some of the most talented, some actually talented players who just suffer for other reasons. But.

Redmond Jennings is one of the most talented players. No, I'm not. Okay. Contextic that was cut off. James Hardin. Let's go with that one. You can say James Harder, whatever. Cool.

Katie, 19. Other things around basketball was added into this list. Okay. Moses Malone, 18, I believe. 17. Janus and 16 KG. I think I have Dr. J in the next 17.

Please tell me why KD doesn't break top 15. Why KD? Because it sounds like it's about to be generational hate and I'm ready for it. It's not generational. Tell us why Kevin Garnett deserves to be above Kevin Durant. Kevin Garnett deserves to be above Kevin. Yeah.

This Kevin Garnett deserves to be higher than KD because of, okay, defense is there. generational and there's like he's one of the five best defenders ever in my head when I think about him and I watch all the highlights like it's just it's just there and when it comes to offensively the consistency I think you know KG's era didn't really necessarily do him that much justice and Katie's Katie it doesn't matter what area you put him in it is what it is but more so it's the outside stuff when everything is going to hell how are you going going to respond are you going to like be in the front office with me and figure out how to

work shit out or are you going to be like damn look at all this slander and then going back like i'm sorry like that that stuff matters right when i think of the face of my franchise i want someone who is a tree stump who is 10 toes down no matter what and that's what kj is that's what yonis is i can't imagine k i can't imagine any of those dudes going ahead and switching up They would never have been in Twitter spaces to defend their honor. They would never do it. They would never argue with low. I mean, I respect it.

You know, shout it to legend of winning, you know, but like you don't, you're not Katie. Like, it's just there's other things around basketball that also needs to be factored in when it comes to talking about where you rank all time. If it was all time talented, then it's a different conversation, completely different conversation. I'm so happy you put him there. I wanted to put Katie this low. I put him hired just out of respect. but that's probably going to be one of the first things that I change after we get done

because you talk about all the stuff off the court. Yeah. If we talk on the court, there's a lot of stuff that gets washed over with KD and a lot of losing and a lot of moments where he doesn't show up and is not, you know, best play in the world, second best play in the world, doesn't do that.

Everyone wants to get on Steph and the Warriors for blowing the 3-1 lead, rightfully so. Who did it 10 days before they did? Kevin Durant, who's out here shooting 10 for 31? Who's out here with another all-MBA player, right? Number one seed winning all these games and can't get to the finals. They get to the conference finals like four times in six years and just can't get back. They just can't get over the hump.

And there's just always somebody who finds their way to be better than Kevin Durant, to be better than Kevin Durant's team. And when we talk about leadership and when we talk about all these things, the intangibles being that tree stunt KD you're right he's not that and so I'm gonna take a page out of your book and after this I'm lowering him because I did I did put him kind of high

Yeah I love that though I love Yonnasov KD is so funny I love it like I'm not gonna be out here Defending Kagan's honor so it's fine In my mind I'm just like What was it? 2021 If the Nets do go ahead and win And Katie still goes out and leaves or whatever

Like that probably does move me but the fact the truth of the matter is you know what it is quite literally he didn't win he lost he didn't have kairy hardin was out while we're walking around with one hamstring it is what it is luck is also like a part of this list the luckily the lucky er you are you are the more higher you going to be on this list is just NBA history it's human history bro yeah you know uncontrollable it's on my fault he's he's 19th on my list i don't think that's terrible i love that that's great I love it. I'm glad one of us took a stand and did something that you just truly believe.

That's beautiful. I probably went a lot of times where my list where I'm like, I want to put a guy low, but I was like, everybody else thinks this. He deserves that respect. There's probably some people I wanted to hate on. I didn't have the balls. He did something like that. I respect it. Fuck him.

That's crazy. That's crazy. All right. So my next five, I have KG at 20, Dirk at 19. Moses Malone at 18, Oscar Robertson at 17, and the Will Chamberlain at 16. What? Wilts Chamberlain? We're talking about Hayden.

You took it to the next one for just now. Let's be real. Let's be real. Let's have actual basketball conversation. Let's talk about how Wilk Chamberlain is some stat merchant who runs, who runs up and down the floor for like for over 48 minutes a game, just getting mad possessions and playing it like it's 2K. And then we get to the playoffs and there's only two guys, right, at his position. in the 60s that are that are worth anything and it's him and Bill Russell and the moment you get into a series with somebody else who is the level of a player that you are you get shut down you

can't win any rings you don't win any rings right until you get to Jerry West at the end of your career what Chamberlain everyone was like oh my gosh she scored he scored 100 points he average 50 points in a season he average 25 shut up Russell won eight rings on your watch. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? Shut up. What are we talking about?

Listen, all the, all the Wilt stories are like cool. And I guess everybody just thinks that it's funny that like some seven foot guy is just a mean person, right? Everybody, everybody. What's that one story about him being in an elevator? There's a story about him and Kareem in an elevator.

And Kareem says that Will Chamberlain, that the guy asked Will Chamberlain, how's the weather up there and then Will Chamberlain spits on the guy and says it's raining and it was like oh my God ha ha ha ha that's so cool that's so funny

he's so this he saw that you know what he is he's a loser because he lost to Bill Russell year in and year out and he was never able to do it and you get to a situation where the game slows down by 10%

and now you can't affect the game I don't want to hear it I don't want to hear do we even know if the 100 point game is actually real Are we serious? For real, everything is documented. We have we have hieroglyphics from ancient Egypt and still nobody knows where the film is.

Where's the film from that game? This is fucking legendary. People, people know what happened 10 billion years ago. They know how the earth was created. They know what the Egyptians were talking about, what they were saying, even though that it's like, aliens even though that it's six languages removed from what we're talking about right now and nobody knows outside of a sheet of paper with crayon on it that says a hundred i'm not putting what chamberlain into my top 15 obviously the stats are amazing he's a very good

basketball player and i'm sure he would be very effective in today's NBA but you put him up against some 610 guy right and apparently he just can't do anything i'm not i'm not giving him that respect So yeah, that's why he's that low. Okay. Wow, you treat him like he's, dude, Dionne Jordan. It's not like he's just going against like, you know, like the most random screster. Bill Russell, man. He gets exposed every year.

Most people. Yeah. Every year. It's one of the greatest defensive players of all time. Okay. I will say I'm a hundred percent agreeance that a lot of, I'll say young people to be nice, see will average 50, scored 100, and they're like the most greatest player to ever live. pound for pound go

but if you so we can't do this we can't because they didn't track possessions back then yeah but smarter people I don't think he basketball always track this has mapped his games out to what he would do per 75 possessions

which is about the average possessions in a game when you're not playing in 1962 running up another court like maniacs chucking up terrible shots he would be averaging like it would be like 35 36 points per game which is still great but it's not otherworldly but if you even things out for pace

he's not like a better score than the other great scores of all time. Exactly. He's very great in all time, but not this otherworldly Greek God who happens to bless our game. He's much more normal than you think. Exactly.

So I respect it. I don't want to go that. I didn't go that low, but like some people were like, he's top five. He's the most dominant boy ever. I didn't have him there. He should never be in a top ten conversation.

I put him top ten just because... You did? Barely. But yeah. Because, I mean, he is still a great defensive. player great shot blocker otherworldly athlete is a great score dominated his era bill russell dominated more so but i think there's something to if you are truly the most dominant player in the world

for an extended period of time you should be like you can't be if you're if you were had the argument for being the best player in the world for prolonged period or at least a couple years you're gonna be top 15 yeah listen he's cool on 2k though like i'm like i'm off threat exactly i play with him on 2k he helps me win but like there but if we're talking about like amongst the legitimate all-time grades top 10 he's just not in the upper room he's not in that inner circle so so yeah you just put me on don't know you just edjimicated me just edgimicated that's hilarious yeah okay done our producer nikhil just pulled up some stats will chamberlain's career numbers per 75 possessions per 75 possessions 20 points 15 rebounds

and three assists which plus 9.9 effective field goal percentage means compared to the league average, he's this much better than league average. Which is good. Yeah, plus 10, effective focal percentage of a league average is incredible, one of the best of all time. So that's why I think he's top 10. But only plus 5.5 relative to shooting percentage, which is very normal, which means he wasn't a good free throw shooter.

So he was more efficient than average, but most all-time grades are about plus 5 or plus 6 relative true shooting percentage. Then you look at Yokish below him, more points for game, less rebounds, way more assists obviously and that true shoe percentage is even better. So that's what I'm saying. When you put in these smarter analytics to compare him to a more even playing field across generations, he's great, but he's normal. Oh man. Yeah, listen, he's just playing like he's just playing recess basketball. They ran like 200 possessions a game. That is ridiculous. Cardio's crazy though. You got to give him credit for the cardio. Yeah, nowadays they might push 100 possessions in a game and pace is

really high right now. Yeah. Like people talk about that a lot in modern NBA that like we look like James Harden scoring numbers and people were like yeah know some modern NBA pace and space it's easier to accumulate numbers go go back go back 30 years go back 40 years slow in the 90s push it back to the 60s when these motherfuckers didn't know what they were doing the 80s they were running in the 80s

you watch Bob Coosie play his this is hilarious I let it see right I let it yeah that's good oh yeah let's move I've been breaking the top next year's how about you break this Lozmo let's know you're 50 go ahead to do it there's one thing that I immediately

regret and it's after Donovan's generational rant I can't believe I think I have wilt at number 10 damn oh no I'll flame me that's okay I got him a little bit higher Russell's 12 yeah I have Russell 12 okay I don't know but did you listen to people okay so let me read my list of people Big O 15 okay shots out to you man 14 Patrick Ewing 13 Yolkitch well this is you ain't know this is Irving Oh, Julie serving, my bad You have 14 would be hilarious Oh, wow

Julie's every at 14 Julie, is he on your list? Yeah, yeah, no, no, yeah, no, Julia serving, 14, 13, Yolkitch Oh, I love it, I love it, give me that shit I fucking love it, don't leave me hanging right now My hands up Wow, my fucking hands up

He's about the hands up He's not 10 toes on this He's gonna change it, he's gonna change it, I'm not gonna change it But I'm not like, you know He's gonna change it It's flex he's not 12 bill russell 11 hakeem okay okay just again i think we can all say big oh julius servant check that shit that shit in my veins respect you do what you had to do right you got you got a couple rings

good job i respect now let's get to this yoke jac 13 i love it yeah please explain this is 13 when i look at it's so high i know it's i understand that it's so high but when i look at everyone else above him there's just certain there's just there's like two there's three players in NBA history who really warp the fuck out of an NBA offense and are just simply unschievable there's not a single I've never seen anyone game plan against Yokic in my entire life the only game plan that you can hope is Jamal marie breaks his ACL and MPJ throws an attitude pha that's it that's how you guard him every everything else around him has to be broken You know, and there's only a few players around them in NBA like that, which is LeBron, Curry, Jordan, you know.

Wait, I'm not even. I'm on your side. I wish I could put them higher. How many players, I was both of these have ever been arguably the best score in the NBA? Yokic had the highest true shooting percentage of anybody that average 25 last year, last few years, really, and also been the best passer in the world. How many players have ever done that? Top three to five score and best passer in the world. Top three to five score.

Doing both at the same fucking time is ridiculous. The only player I can think it was fucking the brawn. Me too. And James Hardin, if we pretend the playoffs don't exist. Yeah. But the playoffs exists for him, so James Hardin's out of those conversations. You can say Curry's a top five playmaker, not necessarily passer. So maybe you can throw Curry in there, also one of the best offensive players ever.

I think Yogi is going to finish his career as a top three offensive player ever, potentially. That's kind of great. But he's a top five score or a top five passer. Yeah. And there's kind of crazy. Quite literally, when everyone's been healthier on him, there hasn't been a single playoff failure. And I don't think there ever will be as long as people around him are straight. And that's one thing that that that moved me that moved me Top five pass or top five score think about that longer just like not even passer playmaker some of them makes every round him better That's what makes him unguardable the playmaking. Okay, cool whatever he can he can score like shit. It doesn't matter whatever cool

He can shoot. Okay, whatever we've seen that before but the passing there's you can't guard passing it's the most it's quite literally the most unguardedable skill ever because there's things around you and when you can score like he does you can manipulate any and everything around you too what is holding you back besides time besides you had to see it longer i think at 13 and at least when we say he's definitively above yannis definitively above kg those two guys are elite defensively And specifically with Janus, I think that I think like you can make the argument just because like KG wasn't that level of a score and this and that. But Janus has a DPO. He has a ring.

He has a finals. M. Like their resumes are very, very similar. And Janus has an impact on both ends of the floor in a way that that Yolkidge doesn't. And Janus, obviously, he's not like the best passer ever. He's a good playmaker. Yeah. But like he can, he can keep things moving at at an above average level.

and he's and he's scoring 28 a game right very very efficient 21 last year it's yeah it just it seems it seems a bit high to beat to be that much higher than yo is he on is low or is yokechai might be a little bit of both hey let's cook they're both top 15 i can agree with that i can agree with that but i'm i'm thinking about what will their career projections end up probably being like I'm more confident that Yolkut will keep on swore rather than Yonis continue to swore. At least I feel like Yonkish will swore a little bit more. The last time

I saw Yonis on the basketball court, recently biased is not kicking my ass. But he was scared to shoot free throws. He threw that bitch literally out of bounds. And I've never seen Yonin do that shit before. We don't have to slander Yonis and big up Yolkich. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. But things

like that, when I think about, I'm projecting as to what what can stop you what is what what is what is a hole in your game that there is just unfixable and it's just built in the top of where you are you know and I can't

I can't think of one I agree when he comes to you I'm another one of the time where I am very I respect that you're confident of to do this because I damn sure think Yokic is going to be top 15 when he retires I give Yonis of one spot nods above him because of DPOI and everything else is similar and Yoke just four prime years

John says like five or six but when everything's all said and done I would say yeah I was projected yeah just feels high right now I can agree with that but I I was projected for sure but if we project and we be honest 13 is like the floor for where Yokin's going to end up I think like he's gonna be pushing

top 10 I think okay it's gonna be him versus Hakeem for like the second or third best center ever that's gonna be the debate or third after Shaq Kareem and then whatever the old fucks you want like okay Yokic is pushing top five centers ever with Hakeem once everything said and done okay again i want to give shouts to julia serving one of the most inspirational players to ever play that people talk about but i feel like at times he's probably

just not talked about it all he's one of the first of his archetype at that three range so and this is and this is really mad of respect too just because a majority of his prime is in the aBA yeah and it's not in the NBA and like the talent pool is kind of split so it's like he was able to come into the NBA get a ring do all that stuff yeah Very inspirational guy. I have him in a similar range. Can we actually give my next five? So at 15,

I have Dr. Jay, 14, Jerry West, 13 KD, 12 Isaiah Thomas. Jesus Christ. 11 and 11 chat. I told you guys,

I told you guys from the get-go that Isaiah Thomas is like that. He's like that. There's no fucking way Isaiah Thomas should be above Wilk Chamberlain. Why not? bro why not do i even it's like such a golf

inability that at the end of the day the baseline is how good are you at basketball all the achievements all the intangibles comes as tiebreakers and secondarily and the day if you were telling me kevin durant and will chamber and dr jay and jerry west and a lot of other fucking guys

are not better basketball players than zay thomas you've lost your goddamn mind tell me why is a better player than them okay well first i'll go with with will we just saw that when you actually think about Will and when you actually talk about him like he's he's a he's a he's a very good uh NBA player yes okay cool dr jay the same reason his prime in terms of like NBA basketball is kind of split jerry west is fantastic but also didn't was losing every single year great's loser right time exactly kD i i have i have feelings about katy but i think that Isaiah thomas being able

Isaiah Thomas being able to average 19 and 9 for his career and do what he did and this this is a little bit of like pound for pound stuff because he is 6-1 and he's the normal height for a point guard no no I keep on my back keep on no but there's a Isaiah Thomas is I guess the second tallest play on this list if you have CP3 on your list but for somebody that size to be able to be an all-star the moment he stepped into into the league lead this team and lead the pistons into this era of like actual dominance over again Larry Mike magic it's just like I just don't understand where like the playmaking and the scoring is there and then to do it at that size it's like I I feel like he's very very underrated

I'll put him way higher on my list now after that talk I wouldn't I mean I a little bit higher I can see I can be swayed but 12 is just like absurd the players above him like Put them in the teams. I'm just absurd. I mean, Wilt, all-time defender, obviously, all-time score.

Obviously, he's a better passer. Well, it's not a bad passer. But obviously, Isaiah Thomas is better there. But, like, most, if you're, it's obviously a very simplistic way to look at it. But if you're just, I'm looking at, like,

a list of all the ways you can impact the game and give a checklist to each person to determine who's a better player impacts more areas of the court. Well, fucking check, check, check, check, check. And a couple of Isaiah Thomas. Like, he just,

I think, like I said, there's a baseline of who's a better player that you have to look at first. before you apply respect for being small and shit like that. And I would, no, but I would, I would, I would take Isaiah Thomas. I would, I would take Isaiah Thomas. And if we are putting all these guys into a draft and we're like, hey, like, who do I want on my team?

Who am I drafting first? I'm taking Isaiah Thomas before I take Will Chamberlain. You're taking Isaiah Thomas as a better player over Moslem-Belon? Yeah. All right. Well, you just fucking love Isaiah Thomas. Yeah. Fair enough.

He gets lost in a lot of these like great point guard conversations. and it's really just because he's a generational Michael Jordan Hater. And every time he opens his mouth the last 30 years is, hey, listen, I, like, I was him, I was him. And after you say that enough, people start to say, you actually weren't him. And so I think, I think he's taking a hit. But I agree. I really like Isaiah Thomas. He's great.

I just think, like, if CP3 had two rings, I wouldn't put him above KD. Like, I think he's very comfortable to CP3 as a player in many ways. And, like, you wouldn't dare say CP3 is a better player than KD or Wilt. You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of cachet and respect here to Isaiah Thomas. That's not necessarily based on what he actually does on the court. Listen, we put, we have, we have guys on this list that again played with plumbers and firemen. And we're doing the, right?

We're doing the thing. There's a lot of guys on here where they're getting their respect and the cachet. So, yeah, so listen, when we apply it to somebody who played in the 80s and like early 90s, I will give it to it. Okay. Also, Shaq at 11, Jesus Christ, that's, I didn't even notice that. He's, yeah, he's not, he's not, he's not in my time. top 10. That's why he's not my top we're buried to leave here. That's probably the most controversial take

here. Wow. Yeah I, Shaq is very very interesting because I and like I had a grapple and I really wanted to put it. I had him in my top 10 initially and I kept thinking about it. And then the top thing we keep hearing about Shaq is he's the most dominant player ever, most dominant

player ever. Why are you not, if you are the most dominant, why are you not the greatest ever? And so then you have to start like, you have to start thinking about stuff. It's like, you're just big right that's what it means right like if we're playing at the gym or we're playing at the park right like i'm picking you on your team but everybody knows like oh it's just unfair but you're not actually better than everybody else right and for shack listen he obviously had his moments

led to three p all that everybody else in the in the top 10 one can shoot fritos two are you know comparable if not better offensive players than than he was You have a keem above him, clearly. Leading a 3P doesn't mean nothing. No, no, it doesn't. But like, if you are, if you are like the title of like most, again, it's just because he's big. But I think that everybody else I respect one, their accomplishments more. And I think that they are more complete as players than than Shaq is.

The Shaq have? How do you have? I can't remember. He's one. Okay. His one. And that was in like, because again, he had his MVP stolen by Steve Nash. And so there's, there's that.

Shack and then he's a little by Steve Nash? Yeah. What year do you think Shack should have won at 04? Um, 05 or 06, either, either one of those years. Oh, six is the Kobe one. I was, and Shaq was washed, so it wasn't that it might have been. You think Shack should want his first year in Miami? Yeah.

One of those, one of those, I remember it, it was the way I remember it and, and 100% the way Shaq talks about it was like, that's the one. Okay. I, but like, 0405, he was first. team all NBA? We also wasn't 06 though which clearly was a resume yeah yeah okay I see what you mean wow all right I think

the most dominant thing is a made up title for people to it's kind of like when people say like I feel like the same thing goes with how people use the word gravity now I think that means something but I see what you're saying there's a it's a made up title to award him something that he doesn't deserve which would be best way all time because because he doesn't have the

MVP's because he like there's there's also just other things and like listen from the moment he stepped in he was a force and he was dominant he was great but as you just go into it it's there's there's other there's other players that have done more and he's he was right there he was a very very tough cut and if you want to put him in your top 10 100% I'm not going to tell you oh yeah shack isn't top 10 yeah like he isn't worthy of that title but how much more of could he have done though he I mean he could have done a lot that's always the debate right

because like people say you could have been to go if you wanted to try hard and he didn't which I understand which is why I don't have him like top five or anything like I have someone like Tim Duncan above him even though like you could say Jack is a better player he just didn't live up to that hype because he didn't try hard enough

and there's a work ethic issue that held him back but I think at the day he's a truly dominant score if we're not giving it to Yokic yet Shaq's the best offensive big man of all time when people say most dominant usually means fucking nothing but when you actually go by skill set. If you have an offensive skill that just can't be stopped, like your scoring is just

like unschamable, a la Kevin Durand, a la LeBron, really, whoever you want to put, that is an incredibly valuable skill set. That's why you've repeated because you surround them with enough talent, you just can't stop that. You're fucked. The only way they lost is when they beat themselves in 04 by trying to do too much of the roster and just got punked by those pistons. Yeah.

Other than that, if you have a comfortable team around Shaq and he's giving it as all, they're probably going to win, which is a very valuable skill set. He's an underrated passer Solid defender I think that's enough To get you top 10 But again I don't have much higher

That's fair That's fair That's fair I'm not I'm not gonna say here and argue I just Yeah yeah Well let's do my next five Let's go

At 15 I got Jerry West Respect pick I guess Wow Yeah 14 big O Yeah 13 Kevin Durant Same as you

Okay 12 Hakeem 11 Steph Wow I'm surprised you have stuff that early. I wanted to put stuff higher. It came down to I was going piece by piece and trying to do this is one of my actual bias wanted to put step higher.

The same way I didn't do with Yokic because my bias wanted to put that when I actually compared them and tried to be objective in like what I gave other people props for just people that I just giving above stuff just like because I had to be consistent. But man, I want to put stuff like fucking top of six or seven

when I went name by name like next let's do my number. 10 is Kobe. Okay. I won. I think Steph's a better player than Kobe, to be real. I think Steph's the best

offensive player of all time outside of LeBron and Jordan. I think Steph is like top three offensive player to ever live. His impact as a score and playmaker with not only what he does with the ball in his hands, but how he creates a free-flowing offense

that creates opportunities for others without him touching the rock. Invaluble. It's like Yokic and that he makes everybody around him better. Make 11 sound so much worse now. Yeah. I wanted to put Steph much higher

because I felt that way. And I don't think that's, but when I went to Kobe, it came down to what I was saying when I was comparing people to Dirk where it's Kobe's a comparable player to Steph. He also led dynasties has five rings, which isn't, I don't think is equally as impressive as Steph's championship resume. Yeah. It's a bigger number, but I don't really care about that. But he has sustained excellence, just like Steph does. Also an all time offensive player, albeit in a different way. He played an era that prioritized ISO scoring because that was the way the game was played. You needed a guy who can get a bucket because there was no. movement illegal defense made it so you had to have one-on-one scores that could beat you okay so despite his lack of efficiency lack of passing he had a skill set for his error that was valuable and it comes and he was a good defender step's fine i had to give that nudge when everything else is equal but i want to pick stuff but it came down to stuff like that same thing with like shack who's above him to obviously okay that's not bad wow both of you have your number 10 up so i want to get my number 10 in here as well i've step

at 10. Okay. Wow. I have Steph the highest here. I would have never thought. All the players I love, you put higher. Mo is sneakily like the most aggressive with it with his with his big. He doesn't give a fuck about narrative and preconceived notions. He's like, I think this guy's better. I respect it. You're brave than me. I'm a pussy. Yeah, I don't know. Like I, I see stuff. I feel like in a couple a year not a couple years from now 30 40 years from now 50 years from now folks gonna folks like us gonna be sitting in this chair and then you'll see step curry oh wow 10 3s a game 40% given one of these and i feel like a lot of people aren't gonna actually recognize how impactful he is on every single level on the court without even touching the ball so i don't know i see stuff

all the things that he's been able to do of course he's had like his back bad moments you can say he's been exposed and also there's no we can't it's all right so people will say whatever fuck them you know but at the end of the day i think about his greatness how he's has how he's been able to maximize his career through the mark jackson and the steve kerfay's the top of leader he is yeah all that like i don't know i just step step step pound for pound with when i have players above him or under him i will i will stand on it for sure Yeah. I think one of the reasons why Steph just isn't higher for me is for what, you know, ended up being the tiebreaker for you is that everybody else like, like pretty much like could play defense on this on this list. Minus minus about like, you know, one and a half people. That we'll see. And to be clear, it's not that Steph can't play defense. It's that he's a fine cog and a good system that won't kill you. He's not a liability, but he's not overtly impactful and that some of the other people. He just he just I feel like the last like three years he's always been that way

2016 and stuff people underweight his defense because LeBron attack him in the playoffs every play so you watch that you see it and you're like those guys a little guy getting attacked he can't defend he's flaked by Clay Thompson Kevin Durant Andre Goddow with dream on green under who else would you attack I understand I understand that but it's also just like and again it's kind of it's kind of like the injury thing with like hey it sucks that like it sucks that that you get hurt a lot but like if you weren't hurt then we will put you a little bit higher no no it's It's the same thing with Steph where it's like,

where it's like, if you weren't a hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet, like you would probably be a little bit better. But now, and we've seen in the last like three years, Steph be able to hold his own in those situations. But that wasn't why. It was just because every round him is big.

Like if he was on a normal team that didn't have the best defensive talent ever. He tried, no, but there were moments, even when it wasn't LeBron, but there were moments where he like tried hard. And so I,

like I respect the effort. He just wasn't big enough to compete with a lot of, But he held up better than people think Like if you had attacked every play Of course you can get scored on He's not Gary Payton But if you compare him to every other guard in the league He was never actually a liability

It just looks that way because of the way People had to play in the playoffs against a team That had four other elite defenders All you can do is attack stuff But they still had a great defensive rating Even with you attacking stuff I mean Well I mean they just got Canadian 17

But even when it's like him in here too much I just there's and again I'm like he was never I agree with you He was never early huge Houston James Harden, bad. Yeah, yeah, right. Right, he was never that.

But there are, there were limitations to him being sure on the, on the perimeter for a good part of his career, especially, especially early on when he's, when he was as light as he was. Yeah. So that's, that's why. That is true. Yeah. And comparing him, like early on, it's where it did state stuff is a late bloomer in my mind. A lot of other people on this list came into the league, Ben Natt, they were like that. everybody knew that yeah been that like that and it was and it was it was written but for step

like pieces had to be moved and shuffled around other players are prioritized no one cared of course people knew it was an elite shooter and all that but they just looked at that as that he's a shooter that's it you know and so ah man i i i i with that being said still i can understand i i understand why you guys happen where you happen but it's just when i see him and I compare him to other players. I'm just like, yeah, defense is not, is not where I'd like it to be or it's not where everyone else is at. But when, when, when, when what you do is the best ever point blank period and you're unfuck with a ball that your defense isn't, doesn't matter to me. Yeah. I get that. And it's not an asshole. It's like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. You could argue that he is like,

I wouldn't say this, but there's an argument for him as a best offensive player ever. Like, it's not crazy. I'm going LeBron. I put Yokish in the conversation, but you could feasibly argue Steph is the greatest offensive player of all time. And it's easy to say

he doesn't have defensive impact in comparing them to people like Biggs who like changed the game defensively. But for a guard standards, his defensive impact is completely fine. So if you're like maybe the best offensive player ever and a completely fine defender,

like how does that compare to someone who's a great offensive player, a great defensive player? So like, depending on how you value things, you could put him that high. I get it. Volume is crazy. McKeel put up a stat.

a few stats to show how insane Steph Curry's efficiency is on the all-time scoring list Steph is the only player in the top 100 with a true shooting percentage greater than 62 one of them one of the three players in the top 100 along with Shaq

Dwight Howard to have an efficiency field goal percentage of greater than 58% that's nuts to be the only people that are as efficient as him are the guys that exclusively dunk and Steph has the greatest range of all time Do you know how crazy it is? You make shots more when you're close.

So the guys who are the highest efficiency are real close. But the guy who is the highest efficiency is the furthest anybody's ever been. That makes no sense. Yeah. Listen, and shout out to these fan pages because you guys are like glazing like crazy. But you come out with like some reasonable and some very helpful facts. Yeah. So I appreciate all the fan pages.

You guys make this much easier. They would rather die. Keep glazing. It helps us. They would rather die than let their goat's narrative go to waste. bro I respect it I expected too I wish I had that kind of courage to my commitment it's gonna be you it's gonna be you with Yokin's a few years back I'm willing to go on the hill people always call me a LeBron Glazer when really it's Yokitch who I really write for

they call me LeBron Glazer for being like normal and like thinking he's like the goat being like how like most people are these days if they heard how I really felt about Yokish they have some words let's go to give my next tier before we get the top five top five at nine I have Will Chamberlain Wow, nice Eight I listen you missed me to put them lower Don't really give a fuck

Eight I have Shaquille O'Neal Seven Tim Duncan Six Bill Russell Wow you have Tim Duncan Under Bill Russell I mean yeah I don't think that That's not like a crazy tape

But it comes down to I mean again I I'm willing to Yeah as much as I can But when someone's like By far the greatest player Regeneration and wins the title 11 times like

You can only do with What your current circumstances are you got to judgment what they did in their era and you cannot be more dominant in an era than Bill Russell was it's physically impossible so like by all actual standards you couldn't put them like one but we just know like other people who are more talented

when you if you put them in that era they go crazy it's also the the lack of an offensive bag kind of hurts Russell because if Russell was putting up real numbers he would be the greatest player of all that right but okay yeah but I'm with that that's cool yeah like it's a pure

respect thing and it's like again old people I won't chuck him to the side, but Russell is one of the people you just can't do it with I get it, I get it. I like it, it's all right, yeah. The only argument against Russell is like, I just straight up will not respect somebody from before 1980. Like, you have to honestly be like

fuck them decades. That's the only way you can put them lower. Oh, man. Okay. Yeah, that's fair. I don't really have a type with the Russell thing. I think Tim Duncan probably should be a little bit higher. I, listen, you're speaking my language. Yeah. You're speaking.

my language is one of those players to where you talk about them glazers them munches Tim Duncan has none of that because he's never been an inspiration to nobody I've never seen anybody or replicate any Tim Duncan move ever in in middle school in my life bro this dude showed up to his MVP pictures with fucking sandals on bro chat class what the hell is going on he doesn't care no no one ever rides from I see you like finish when I think about Tim Duncan I see that he no one Bro, when I think about Tim Duncan, I said this in the video I'm creating. He never, he never, he never ever gets the title, never has gone the title of being the face of NBA or one of the faces.

And that's a part of thing. That's for a lot. That's for things outside of basketball for the most part. But when you look at what he actually did on the court, it's immaculate. And I would say better than Kobe. It looks like, ooh, yeah, you don't have better to Kobe. But me personally, I look at those things. and I'm like yeah I value that and he's been the epitome of consistency um and bro like there's just a lot of

things about Tim Duncan that aren't favored towards talk him at all and I look at those things I see past him and I'm like I just have to put him higher I agree I went into it thinking like I'm putting Duncan high as shit it's just when I compared to the people above him like you can you know the name's above him like there's a top five like it the only I can put him above Russell if you really want like sure yeah but I'm not I'm not I'm not Bill Russell's like yeah so I can't you know after that like put him above bird and magic and then we know the top three it's like it's just like the top five is teflon so like you can put Duncan at six if you want but it's I don't know I don't know Donovan feels otherwise I don't really think he's in the next year I think we're gonna we're gonna cut yeah we're gonna cook I don't hate it though you can put him as high as like goddamn four and I'll be fine let's go can we get my my next uh the next one's on my list please who do I have so right nine I have Kobe eight I have Russell seven I have Hakeem six I have birds Christ seven Hakeem y'all I want to respect him too let me let me let me tell you I could not wait until we got to this point y'all go stop disrespect to

Hakeem Olajuan okay I'm gonna let you know this right now just like we talked about before everything all the problems that all the other stars have and all the other like organizational malpractices that these people put these put these guys with and it's like hey go hoop with four 2K generated guys and win a title. Hakeem does that. Hakeem does that. Hakeem is one

to this day. To this day, there hasn't been a player in the last 30 years where it's like, hey, I really need to get better at the post. Who do I call? There hasn't been a player better. Everybody calls Hakeem. He can be 75 years old. They're still going to be like, Hakeem, please teach me how to work in the post. He's one of the best

post players to ever play the game. He's one of the best defenders to ever play in the game he is one of the his game and for a player who plays in the 90s is one of the most translatable games like if he came played in today's game feasting eating it just absolutely eating the mobility the mobility that he has his ability to score on the interior he already had an 18 foot jump shot in 1994 you tell him take two steps back he's cooking everybody all the all the great centers that you had david robinson won an MVP hakeem cooked him on his own night. Shaq most dominant. I get it early Shaq swept him out the playoffs. Everybody else,

right? Everybody else, he's dominating. And I think that like in an era, especially in the time that he wins his championships after Jordan leaves, the league is as open as it's ever been. And there's only one person. Somebody, he gets back to back. You're telling me, all these people everyone's like, oh my God, Charles Barkley so good, Carl Malone so good. None of y'all won because Hakeem was winning with Kenny Smith and O. oldest store and Vernon Maxwell it's it's insane to me just how good he is I like he he's the full package as a center he's the full package as a player if you look at his early numbers his early numbers are off the charts when he really was playing with nobody there's

nothing that hakeem can't do he has a handle as well he's really really teflon and the only reason why he's not top five is because the Houston Rockets decided to not give him another all-star for everybody else. I think to this day, I think that even if Michael Jordan was in the league in 94-95, that the Rockets would have beaten the Bulls. I think that, I think that Hakeem is, it's, it's crazy. It's really, really crazy. Guys, this man was out here fasting for Ramadan giving David Robinson 37 and 15 on an empty stomach at 6 o'clock at night there's nothing he can't do

I agree he's great there's nothing he can't do and I would take him over like again Russell the offensive bag just isn't there I want to give him as much respect because he played in an era and a city where where like Bostonians and the country frankly hated him and like he was a player and a coach and one eight straight and it's all fantastic

he just doesn't have the bag like hakeem it's it's insane what hakeem does and it's just so overlooked like the the the shot blocking the the pass the rebound it's crazy it's crazy even even like to have three and a half assist on a on again a team with kenny smith and vernon maxwell and all these other guys like what are we talking about he's fantastic he's amazing man i i love hema loggia can tell. I don't say. You're going. Okay.

I mean, I agree. I just don't disagree with any of that. It really just comes down to the name is above him. And the one thing you left out that I think is very important to break into like this top tier of players is Hakeem is on offense, basically big man Kobe, not big man LeBron in terms of how he affects people around him. He doesn't really elevate guys around him offensively. He's not, you know, a passer, a guy that creates opportunities for others, which it's fine. He still, that's why he's still top to your player Because he's like you said, arguably the goat defender I'm fine with that

And one of the best big man scores of all time But the other names above him Steph night and day with how he impacts players around him Kobe similar I could put Hakeem there I just gave Kobe the credit for having fucking five rings So it's great But like a lot of other names Have that ability on offense to

Uplift others and create opportunity for others Which not to say Hakeem is like a black hole But it's not comparable to like the other people that are above him In an era two things one who else do you want him to pass it to that's that's that's that's that's one two in an era where like illegal defense like was a thing and it's either you have to legitimately double or just let him go one-on-one if teams are not legitimately doubling it's akimelajuan versus anybody else and for the entire for the entirety of his career before like you know his

twilight years that's the best matchup on the floor so it's like it's okay if his assist numbers aren't great and it's like he still had at least in those in those two years when you're talking about peak peak hekeem three and a half assist is perfectly fine for for for a center and I think that if if teams were willing to to double more and he definitely got doubled a lot like no I know I know I know but also in those in those series when he's going against against Ewing and Robinson and in shack those teams probably probably thought oh we have you and robinson and shack we'll be okay wrong wrong heem is gonna come in here and cook everybody yeah

could absolutely everybody the word you had to use is perfectly fine it is perfect fine wait so can we look at the blocks that he had he's averaging 4.6 blocks a game crazy 4.6 4.3 4.2 3.9 it's it's ridiculous how good he is no he's probably the goat defender i think that's fair so he's imbid with a backbone nice was better at everything and think about how good that is think about if the reigning MVP got better on an all-time level at everything that's how he just bro that's Hakeem Olajuwon that's the top 10 player that's the seventh best player of all time fair enough again I'm not have no issue with that it just comes down to the people above him are just like slightly better at some important things

and like again it's the only reason Kobe's above him is because it's called he won five rings and did it sustained with different cores of teammates and like it's a longevity thing but if you tell me Hakeem is like pound for pound the better player no issue Russell dominated an era Shack same type of thing I think comparable type of player more accomplishments I'd probably give the edge show offensively Granted to Hakeem's obviously a way better defender

and then I have Dunkin above him I don't gotta explain that you have dunkin above him too it's just more about the guys above him and it's always hard with that because like Akeem is as talented most of these guys it's just like when Steph came into the mix once you know whoever else can have cemented themselves in this top 10

he just keeps me the guy getting pushed out. And I'm saying that it's wrong that he's the guy to be pushed out because of the guys and especially if we're talking about Russell, Bird, Magic. Hakeem is the most complete player out of them in terms of two-way ability. And I'm not saying you have to kick Larry Bird out the top 10 that's obviously not going to happen.

But eventually there needs to be eventually there needs to be a stand taken for somebody who won back-to-back rings has an MVP like you said arguably the greatest defender of all time and we're just and he's the one who consistently has to be the one to be kicked out it comes down to everybody above him has like fucking five or more

rings that's what it comes down to is they just like did more while being comparable level players and that's why he's at seven but everybody else like it's it's comparable yeah yeah I agree it just yeah it comes down to a lot of people who are similar players like Shaq Steph Russell whoever else you have above him they just did it They want more

You know what I mean like I love for Kim He's he's amazing You know what And I love how much You love Joaquin He would be smiling right He'd be crying

Shout out Hakee man We all love him So on my My next five At nine I have Kobe At eight I have Shaq At seven I had Tim Duncan

You said Tim was higher Listen When it comes to the name I just simply could Step at six Wow I love it I like your list more than my list I just I when I look at how bro with how he changed the game

there's not a lot of how many players are there in the NBA who either set a new archetype or legit change the game not a lot four or five maybe four five and step curry is one of them and when he when he was given the opportunity to thrive and excel and step is just it's crazy bro I don't I it's just it's just so hard for me to confidently say yeah I think shack is better all time when I know obviously like there's limitations to two very different players but when it comes to how important six yeah six bro put him five look it I love six and it sucks that I had to put him like above Tim Duncan because I don't want to do it but there's something in me that's telling me like Steph he's more he's more pivotal to the success of the

NBA I don't want to say success in the NBA actually but actually yes more people's in sex than me because of the things that he did offensive Now, maybe now that I'm talking to myself this, maybe I'm out weighing just how important he is and how we transform the game more than what he actually did on the court. But even then, with what he actually doing on the court, it's still pretty damn impressive. So that's true. That's true. I, listen, I love, I love Steph as well. I, it's just shocking to see six for stuff. I know it's shocking. But when it's all set in for me personally, he will be at six because. Because there's no. There's, I don't know if we'll ever see another player in his light year, ever. Oh, right. I like it. Okay. Listen, there's an argument for Steph, for all the things you talked about before,

where the offensive capabilities are so high and will age so well that that outweighs the defensive concerns. And if you're a person that thinks his defensive concern, like, listen, we give magic a pass for defense. We just decided that's fine. If we just decide that's fine for Curry, I can see this world. Like, they're honestly not that different. both average defenders while being light year level offensive players for different reasons.

Yeah. Why can't the same thing be applied? Magic has five rings with that era. Curry's up to four. That is true. We look at the magic a pass and we don't give Curry. It's, that is very, very true. Hey, he's not Irvin.

He's just not the magic man. That is glazing. That's crazy. I mean, one thing about, one thing about, yeah, he's not him. It took Curry. Curry did have a buffer in his career. He, it took time for. go ahead and become him for magic out the womb yeah that's fair it isn't the longevity of

these guys yeah he might we'll see but it's not i i want to push back on that a little bit and i'll argue in curry's favor both bird and magic they're their longevity is the lowest of anybody in the top 10 they both have like like everybody else their careers span like 13 years 15 years stuff like that bird has about like eight prime prime years magic about the same because and you know their careers end for different reasons but when we look at their careers right now and like the the the group of years that we judge them on stuff like if we just go from first mp to now that's eight years so you say that like you're right about magic and longevity got cut short still 12 time all sorry he's like 12 it's wild 12 like that's like that's like that's like that's like that's like that's like

Well, me, okay, one of those all-stars was, he was coming back, and they, like, they gifted him that one. And so, like, 11-time All-Star in 12 years. He was. Listen, year two, he got hurt, so he didn't make the All-Star game and he played 37 games. But outside of that, he made an All-Star every single career, every year of his career before HIV. Like, that's, like, it's easy to say as long as you got cut short because it ended at 31. But even without that, it was still crazy. I know, but, like, the prime prime of his career, it's really, it's really, it's really,

really just like his career and step is going to get to a point where his prime is as long as magic johnson's entire career and so then when you start to factor in a couple of the other things it's a it's a it's a lot i ain't mad i do it's a lot so i understand i understand but yeah these guys are amazing the two greatest offensive players of all time is 91 jordan versus 22 curry through through the first four games of the NBA finals this is such a isb hilarious propaganda Yeah 30 points per game 50%

I mean listen he was cooking I love that we're adding Jordan's 3 point percentage into this like it wasn't on six attempts

this is ridiculous no it was on four attempts oh literally it's on there crazy propaganda I love this shout out the get up graphics team

this is the type of shit I need that's hilarious okay I think it's top five time top five top five top five I'll go first I guess

this is straight chalk five bird four magic don't really know We all accept the magic's better, but I feel the way too. I can't explain to you why Maybe we'll talk about it three cream two Jordan one LeBron the definitive top five Wow I love it you go because yeah because I think yours is more is closer to

Yeah so five wow it's like it's always like this get off the tip man look at us Get off the tip I went first your own tip I guess I'm the only free thinker wow TD four Oh man I love that When I tell y'all, Tim Duncan is fantastic, right? Say your top five out loud that I'm in for the audio listeners. So my top five right now, I've Magic Johnson. I've Burnett six, Magic Johnson at five, Tim Duncan at four. Kareem, then I have Bronner at two, and then I have Michael Jordan as the greatest play ball time.

So funny, so funny. Moron alert, mozo. What are we talking about first? I guess we can talk about Tim Duncan. Yeah, that's the most of all saying. Okay, so first, before we get to that, we all agree Magic over Bird. Do one of y'all want to tell me why? I think that Magic's ability to, Magic's ability to elevate the offense is a bit higher

than, than Byrd's. Okay. For sure. Bird is obviously a much better score. Their defense is similar. Bird is a better defender. Not so much that it matters how much, though. Yeah.

But Bird, Bird's defending is very much just like. Because he's a very, very good team defender, right? He's not like amazing on ball. But Magic was able to like get some steals and take gambles enough to like make a Playmaker on defense to yeah, he can he can make up for some stuff. But I think the difference is just the winning with magic has two more rings than him. He beat he has the two one advantage in their finals. Yeah.

And when you look at the Lakers throughout the 80s, they made the finals like seven times. It was like seven or eight times. Magic wins the he wins the finals MVP as a as a rookie right like he instantly gets there and takes them to a level where they're amazing and so I think I think for magic there's just a couple more notches on the belt yeah I agree then then Larry but the one thing that Larry has that magic doesn't is the fact that Larry has three straight MVP's which is insane yeah it's it's insane because it's nobody outside of Larry Wilts and Russell yeah that have done that And to do that in, I guess, the modern NBA, or post-merger NBA, that's wild.

Yeah, I get it. I just don't care that much about, like, three straight or, like, three with one in the middle. Like, it's cool. It's a cool fact, but I don't think it's an important fact. Like, the biggest reason for that to make it impressive is, like, you beat voter, voter fatigue, which is, like, cool. Yeah, but, like, then again, was it a thing back then? I mean, you're right. Was it a motor fatigue a thing back then?

Because how can there be voter fatigue back then when, like, yeah. Yeah, there's only a certain amount of good players. You don't have ESPN. There's no Kedjik Perkins back there. There's no Twitter where people are always, like, there's no pipeline where people are sniping your name every night. So it's like, he gets a symptom of modern media and the hot take system. You're right.

You're cooking. You're in a position where it's the entire 80s is built off of these two guys. And so it's either you either going to magic or it's going to him. Right. And then obviously like Mike when he comes in at the end. but getting three straight is wild because even guys like like even guys that we have early on this list Jerry West Moses Moses Malone um Dr. Jay Big O they didn't Kareem never got three straight who cares there's five like I'm it's it's an accomplishment to be able to do that and it's

really just a testament to your peak when you were at at your best and you were healthy you were better than everybody for this for this three years start yeah but like LeBron is three and four years I'm like people make a lot of hoopla about that because nobody's done it besides him well I mean LeBron is four and five which is yeah like I don't give a fuck about three in a row like I three is impressive I three is impressive but three in a row doesn't move me more than like three and five years or whatever magic did I don't remember the exact years he won his three that it being sequential doesn't move me I get why it's it moves it's cool moves me a little yeah it moves me okay well so we all had magic over bird would you agree for the same

reasons, Mo? Yeah, for sure. Cool. Yeah. Now, Donovan, tell us why Tim Duncan is better than them. I'm about to. You were cooking. You've had like several rants.

Give us the last one. Give us the rant of all rants. Tim Duncan, there is nothing that we talk about out of anybody in the top five. Everything that we ask of from everybody of the all-time greats, Tim Duncan has. Tim Duncan has multiple MVP's. Tim Duncan is an amazing two-way player. Tim Duncan was the tree trunk of a franchise for, for, for, 20 years, right?

They were able, they won 50 straight game for 19 straight years. Tim Duncan has the longevity in his 19th season at age 38, or no, not 19th, but at age 37, he's first team all defense. He has five championships. He has the finals MVP's. He has 20 and 10. There is nothing that Tim Duncan has done that nobody else in the top five has done. And for him to be as great as he was for 20 years.

Yeah. To, again, went back-to-back MVP's. Yeah. And we talk about Shaq and Kobe. The only person who was beating Shaq and Kobe was Tim Duncan. Bro.

He's him. And like you said, nobody's out here saying like, oh my God, Tim Duncan's my favorite player of all time. And it's because all he's doing is boom, right? Drop step, hook shot.

Drop step, hook shot. He's getting quadruple doubles in the finals. He's beating everybody. I just don't understand literally here's the only thing that I would say that he doesn't have he never went back to back who cares

I don't care at all yeah he walked into the league and and led the spurs to a champion tripping out finals MVP dude he's amazing 2010 error was his the only thing that's

the thing that he is missing that apparently seems so pivotal because he is a 40th vertical If he could jump five inches higher Everyone would be like, oh my God, Tim Duncan's amazing Well, it's a little more than that Okay, so I agree

I have no problem with this whatsoever I don't have him higher Because burden magic or burden magic And I gave Russell the credit for dominating His era so hard I have no issue. I think he's in the same tier Just like I put him a little lower in that tier But if I'm playing devil's Afghan

Explaining why he's not burden magic It's he's all-time level defense For sure Right after Rakeem you can say He's like the second best defender of all time which matters but he's not the offensive engine

and those guys are which is very important for just no production and value he's a great score like 24 points per game in his best year really good score

especially in the dead ball era yeah not a go-to guy that you're well he was a go-to score how do I phrase this not the guy he was never the sole guy leading the offense

that's really being the engine producing for everybody else he was but he was part of a greater system always had really talented ball handlers the best coach in the world it's similar to Hakeem he could pass

I mean not to act like Tim Duncan also wasn't a black hole but he's not an elevating level of playmaker so you could say that he's not the level offensive player for reasons and a lot of that is because of his system

and players around him who played a certain way that enabled his talents but if you were counting all things being equal his offensive skill set isn't to the part of those guys and those guys have elevated offensive

skills sets they're like the greatest of all time that's the argument And that is why he has little to know aura. That word is so popular, but it's fucking fat. I hate it. That's great. That's bad. He's just two minutes.

Tim Junk is the best. Respect the old man. I'm like, well, maybe not for this reason. And then you're like, he's not hard. He's not hard, bro. He ain't have no, bro. Every single one of these players have a cool, dope-ass trash-talking story. I told you.

Asked you. As to Mark, his cousin's up, bro. what happened. DeMarcus Cousins tries to trash talk Tim Duncan and what does he do? Tim Dungan bucket after bucket after bucket he doesn't have to say anything he's silent and I just when you put together everything like Duncan is good enough offensively right he to do all that again the and what we see what we see with Kareem and Bron and for them to have that level of longevity and for Duncan to also do the same thing obviously he's not no no no I'll stop there.

Kareem at the last stages of his career is not like it's either it's not worlds better than what Duncan was and Kareem on his last legs is not Duncan being first team all defense. Okay. The problem is when you loop Ron to that because Braun's 38 averaging 30 so it's a little different. That's the part where, okay, this is this is a disconnect. So Duncan's longevity isn't about him as much. He's a big part of it, but it's about the team, the front office. office was incredible and reloaded and allowed him to have a second stint where he wasn't

the focal point of the team anymore. He clearly was not the focal point of the team in his later years they won those other chips. He was incredibly important. I don't want to diminish that. Yeah. But they had Kauai. They had Manu. Parker was on top of his game. You compare it to the longevity like LeBron. We'll get to that way up in the goat. He's averaging 30 at 38. Like he's still like the guy. That's where Tim Duncan's longevity matters, but it's not as impressive as the two greatest longevity in all time. And that's why I'm not putting him like top three. Yeah. Yeah. Can wait. Can we actually pull up Kareem's basketball reference page

because I forget what the last four years of Kareem's career looks like but I know that there's like there's some there's some duds in there. Let's look at the years you want to. What were the years that Kareem won in the end? What was their last championships? The last one that the Lakers won was

88. Yeah. That's the last one that they went. Yeah, 85 and 88 were the last two and those are so 22 points per game and 14. So the last one he was on Tim Duncan status or he was going to carry by Magic and Worthy and the whole team.

85 give or take. I think that was similar. I can see why you say that. Right. And then the last year. And that's all I'm saying is that as we get into like those years

when he's when when Kareem is 40 and Duncan is 38, they're basically doing the same thing. And so you have younger stars who are carrying you to championship. or not caring but like be in the driving engine of your team to win championships

and so that's why at least for Kareem it's comparable it's comparable See we're not arguing it's cream though we're arguing as magic and bird and Duncan would Duncan place nine more years than they do yeah what you matters yeah

but it kind of gets back to the thing I was saying earlier with Kauai where longevity is a thing it matters doing it for a long time but if you accomplish the same things in smaller time like that's almost impressive in its own right for the fact the fact that magic got the same

same amount of rings or just Tim not get four or five no same amount of rings by the time he turned 31 it's fucking bonkers like no it's again it's amazing and that's why he's that's why he's top five but Tim Duncan after to be able to have a second act and like if Tim stops because they win they win three and five years he gets to four at 2000 in 2007 and he plays for another nine years yeah gets to gets to two more finals wins a championship over LeBron And all that and all that types of, obviously he's not like, you know, Tim Duncan at that point, but still. So it's that's the thing. It's not all rings are equal.

So like that's an accomplishment, but I feel like it's more of a Spurs accomplishment than is a Tim Duncan. Of course, he's a big part of it. So, again, don't want to downplay it. But how do you parse that? Because like when you compare it to Magic, imagine never had a ring like that where he was, wasn't the driving factor. So it's like, you can say five and five. But why was that? What do you mean?

I'm saying it is, it's. I don't want it to be like I don't I don't feel that it is unfair and I don't feel that I am knocking magic for not playing as much in this scenario as much as I'm saying big enough to him yeah big enough Tim he had this entire second act and in that second act it's not like he's just coming off the bench doing whatever he's still a started he's still one of the best defenders in the league and just because his role changes that doesn't mean that at the later stages of your career you still can't be effective yeah and so I want to give him I want to give him that credit because bird and magic were for whatever reasons we're never able to do that and

Tim has that and that matters to me and so whenever we get into the top four these are all guys that played 15 years or more yeah and he has again all the accomplishments that everybody else has and does everything that everybody would want a top five player to do and it's just like it's it's amazing it's amazing for him to be at that point and I think being able to be the foundation of a franchise

for 20 like that's really hard it's about the cry is getting emotional that's really freaking hard you know yeah I get it for sure are you moved are you willing to put Tim Duncan in the tier above oh man I don't know if I can but I don't think it's

I don't think it's crazy whatsoever. I don't think it's crazy whatsoever. Yeah, it's definitely not crazy. He's not crazy at all. Like I said, he's in the tier. I just think that magic and bird, higher peak, accomplish the same thing in less time, which that's a hard philosophical argument of like,

is it more impressive to do it longer? Or if the accomplishments are the same, is it more impressive if you did it in less years? Yeah. I don't know how you parse that. That's another 20-minute conversation, but it's not crazy at all. I want to go ahead and get into,

Kareem third, everyone already understands like that. It's universal, bro. Let's have the goat debate. Yeah, let's do that. Real quick on the, it's funny because whenever we get into the goat debate, like Kareem is also another one of those guys. They're like, he has everything. Like he has the MVP's the championship, all defensive.

And we're just like, good job. We're like, good job. Stay over there. We're talking about real stuff. Well, I can say exactly why. Magic and, I mean, Jordan, LeBron are just another level offensive player. And that Kareemian is like him Dunker where he was great for a long time. But magic, but George, I keep saying magic.

Bron and Jordan are just like ascended level offensive players that make everybody around them better and are just like clearly levels above everybody else. Cream was too, but I think it's to come almost a talent thing that just quote that like separates them. It's a positional thing. True. I can see that. Like you snatch you, you're not going to have as much control over the game if you're not a wing like that. Yeah. And it's just a talent thing.

Well, at least in the modern game, I mean, they built teams around this. Like that was, that was the focal point of a lot of offenses. so yeah it just it depends what kind of team that you're playing around who you have around him and like obviously you can build a team around kareem and yeah korem's another one of those guys where he walks into the league he's probably like the best playing the league from like he walks in which is crazy the only thing is it's not about him right it's just that jordan and lebron or like the greatest talents to ever grace the sport so exactly it's not and kareem didn't do anything to lose it there was just two gods that i got born after him so it comes down to

well let's talk about which one of those motherfuckers are better because two of us got LeBron in there because we're under the age of 30 and one of us has Jordan number one because he has the soul of a 40 year old tell us let's let you, okay, you're taking the floor enough actually. You've been ranting. Thank you. Y'all, you go first. Yeah, Moe, you go first.

Why is LeBron number one? I always say, I said this from the top of the list when it comes to how you rank NBA players and all that, there's so many things that matter and one of the most important things is just straight up luck and where you where you plop to bro if lebron james was born anywhere else other than cleveland rig whatever draft from or whatever he was born in l.a or born in i don't know oralanda or some like that and you have a front office that actually knows what they're doing

on a consistent basis i think i think lebron has a couple more rings onto his career you know it's situational and that's just something that's pretty straight up luck now while i say that 2011 did happen you know but jordan did have his bummishes too and i feel like you know it just depends on could be philosophical where do you want to have your biggest ell at at the brides of brightest stage or the person you want to have your hell like in the first thing around and stuff like that you know yeah so it's like it depends on what type of person you're when he comes to that i'm not going to go tooth and nail because it is what it is but when i look at lebron as an overall player and what I feel like he could have done

if the situations were right, I just put him at number one. Yeah, I'll go a little more specific. Don't give a fuck about six and no in the finals, like you said. I don't care if you lose, I'm not mad at LeBron for losing the finals instead of losing in the first, second round, third round.

Don't give a fuck. Six rings is impressive in itself. Two, three pieces. It's hard to win back-to-back. I was saying back-to-back MPs don't matter. Back-to-back finals matter. It's hard for a team to have that level of energy for three straight years.

Not get your players poached Be able to not get complacent Do all that That was led by him Very impressive She's one B second best player Of all time LeBron

Four rings now His path there was different But I think what he accomplished Legacy wise is comparable Just as many MVP's Four rings to six Difference Which is more impressive

But at that point MVP Here's one less MVP Okay sure And then So a little bit There he has it pulled up Less rings

But I think at that point when you hit four, five, six, you're, what's it called, picking at straws. Like, it hits a tier, I think, where the rings become close enough that that's not going to be a defining thing for me. The defining thing for me, it was at one point, LeBron is top five passer of all time at worst, probably top three. Jordan's a good playmaker, not LeBron in that act. LeBron underrated score, I think just as good of a score as Jordan, do different ways.

The fact that LeBron's pass first. and that doesn't have that killer mentality or whatever, makes people think he's not as good of a score. Every scoring record on the planet, LeBron's at the top of the list, or if Jordan has it, he's near the top, equally with him. The most clutch player of all time,

the most game winners, all that stuff that you know, LeBron accumulated. All that better. Defensive peak just as good. We know LeBron got robbed as a DPOI. Jordan has a DPO-WIs. That's because it also came in a different era

where media literacy is a little different. Nowadays, only Bigs get it because voters realized Biggs have the most defensive value. Back in those days, Hakeem might have got Jordan's DPO-wise or whatever. So different landscape there. I think at their peak 2011, LeBron, just as good of a defensive player is Jordan.

And now the number one thing, same argument you have for Tim Duncan. LeBron's fucking 38, averaging 30 points per game. The longevity and the fact that he's able to continue to be this good, even if you say all other things are equal, which I think a lot of them shade towards LeBron, the longevity alone is, I think, the deciding factor.

Okay. That's fair. I think I think that's all fair. I think one of the things that you gave respect to it, but I don't think that... I didn't give enough. Huh? I didn't give enough respect. Yeah.

Winning two, three pieces is crazy. It is. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's actually insane to, to win, to win two, three pieces. I think for, for Jordan, and I've gotten to a point, listen, I think Michael Jordan is to go. If you think that, that LeBron is to go, hey, cool for you. Like I'm not, I'm not like going to lose my voice arguing with you over it. I will. What I am doing at this point and the work that I am doing in these streets when I have this conversation is more about the standard in which you argue with these guys

because I think that there are discounts that Jordan fans make towards their player and there are things that LeBron fans overlook for for LeBron. And it's just like, if you're going to do this for one person, do it for the other. So I really just arguing about the standard. But if we're talking about these two. I think that and I'll use the same way that you use the argument that I had for Tim, I'll use the argument that you used for Kauai and for burden for magic is that everything that LeBron is doing over the last 20 years and everybody who argues against Jordan always says, oh, you only think that his career happened like within six years, within eight years. Hey, like everything did happen, right? Like a lot or like a lot of things did happen in

this eight-year period and so it's like you I do think that it there is some credit to just non-stop winning like the moment he starts winning it's very it goes a nearly a decade until he stops and it's like it's I mean retired to recharge you can't pretend that didn't happen like no but he takes off a basketball for two years and then his first full season back he goes on another three feet which is like wow yeah and so again the the defense is the same I do think that that Jordan is a better score than LeBron. Sure, Marjoram, I'm fine with that. But, like, the defensive peak is, obviously,

LeBron has a passing. I, I just think that Jordan and what he provides in the fact that in a very, very concentrated part was undoubtedly just like this figure in which everything, like, revolves around and just the amount of winning that happens on his basis. Yeah. is crazy and for lebron there are there there's some bumps in the road that come at a point where you're just like it it's weird that it's happening now and obviously like when you like if you're just looking at basketball reference and you're like oh we're like you won a championship here

and you lost a championship here it's it's there i don't really care about the six and no but i do care about the six yeah for sure i i do think that i don't think that having six rings and having four rings is in the same tier. Yeah, I think if it was five, it would be, it would be comparable and I'd be like, okay, it's whatever.

But that extra one is just, I think this comes to when you, there's a threshold, like all the great players have like three or four at minimum. And I think at a certain point, like a lot of the fact that Jordan had two, three beats, he's a center of that obviously in the driving force.

But it's a team accomplishment as much as it is him. Like winning three rings in a row isn't hard because it's hard for a star player it's hard for a team to maintain that so he had the blessing of being with the best for an office of his era who built the best team around him that had the longevity because he was in an era where free agency wasn't what it is today and players can be poached and like you can stay together he has that luxury that LeBron just doesn't so when you apply that context like

I think the way he got to four and the way he got to six are of similar impressiveness can we get to some crown eater arguments I do want to get off real quick got nobody's ever lost in the finals as bad as LeBron did in 2014. Nobody's ever done. Because first beat him down. Nobody's ever, nobody's ever beating anybody as bad as LeBron lost. I don't hold 07

against LeBron. I think if you do, you are completely wrong and off face. That's more of an accomplishment than anything. But there's just like that one and 2011 and to have those two on your resume are things I'm like, dang like that, that's kind of,

that's kind of sus. That's kind of suspect that you have those on your resume. 2020 bubble that's not a Mickey Mouse championship at all and we are a pie where we give 2020 it's respect we give the bubble it's respect because it's really hard to be in a situation where like your your mentals are all off and everybody says it's the highest level of basketball because there's nothing else around and you're really just playing like listen tj warren was able to play well because there's no way looking at him in the bubble there's nobody five feet away yeah and he doesn't feel that pressure he's able to put up 50 any night and lebron and a

we're able to do all of that. So 2020 is a great spot. But 2014 and 2011, they leave a really big stench for me. I guess you could also be like Michael getting his teeth kicked in by the bad boys because he's a stench for me. Michael having to retire because he got tired and coming back and doing it again leaves a stench for you because that's an advantage that other players don't have. So ruins his longevity to a bit.

Like you can pick and choose your spots. Like obviously LeBron's happened on the brightest stage so they have more of a place in your memory. Yeah. He got to the finals. Jordan guy's teeth kicked in the first round instead Like it's you can decide that that's more embarrassing Because you remember it more But it's not actually a worse season

Than Jordan's dead lows Nobody's ever been beat Nobody's ever been beat this bad The Sixers Where Pepe Sanchez didn't lose that bad They didn't lose that bad It's just it's crazy Yeah

It's crazy You was getting tormented by J.J. Beret That's relax And it's also one one thing that I want to address for like the LeBron and Jordan thing. And this is what I'm talking about like with the standards and some when everyone's like, oh, Jordan 6 and O in the finals. And then LeBron fans say, oh, well, he, he didn't have to play the greatest team of all time. Yeah. You kind of have to give Jordan credit because he was the reason why like, like he didn't have to play the greatest team of all time because he was the greatest team of all time.

And like he is the driving force for that. And so it's like, if he was a great team of all. Let LeBron go 73 and 9 and win a championship. And everyone's going to be like, oh my God, look at what LeBron produced. Jordan went 72 and 10, and he was driving force of it. And his team is the greatest for like six out of eight years. And it's because of him. And if it was LeBron that was doing that, everybody would be glazing and giving him that credit.

So I think that for Jordan in that respect, that's just devoid of all context. If LeBron was on team that drafted Scottie Pippen, signed Dennis Rodman, built this great team. You would still say, oh my God, like LeBron. LeBron led this team. He's on the greatest team of all time. Like, why else would he be the go? But that just has nothing to do with either of them. That's about the front office around them,

which again, it only is possible because Jordan's the best player in the world. Like that makes a team go. It has nothing to do with LeBron that Kevin Durant signed with the Warriors. In the same way, it has nothing to do with Jordan that that didn't happen to him because the free agency world was different.

It's a different NBA. You have to give him credit. No, I don't. You do. His team is irrelevant to the fact that LeBron faces equal caliber. He is. he's the he's the greatest his team was the greatest and he is the driving force of that

I agree and he gets credit for that that just has nothing you're comparing the way the way you just said it lets me know that he does not get credit well he's a number two player of all time so I think he's a fair amount of credit you're like okay yeah he did that you can that he's the number two player of all time for a reason and you're just conflating that with the fact that LeBron faced the greatest team of all time which is just like I love That's me literally It's fantastic It just apples to orders

That's nothing to do with the fact that he plays the Warriors Like Just because they're the second greatest team of all time The context of why he had to face the Warriors It's just completely different The NBA is a different world Where Kevin Durant can sign with Golden State Warriors

The once in a generation cap spike That allowed that is not comparable At all to anything Jordan faced Like that's just like Nothing to do with anything Because Jordan was that No, he wasn't That was completely

This is completely different It's not They were They were literally At the time The greatest team of all time And it's like So you're telling me

If X, Y, Z Some of the top two Free agents Around that time period teamed up forces Like that doesn't move The needle whatsoever

Charles Barkley sign With the Jazz And they got their teeth kicked in Because a weird rule Allow that to happen And they beat the shit out of the bulls is this is this is this is my problem let's let's go this is my problem i am i am not now i'm actually upset because this is my problem with lebron fans and with a lot of

the lebron arguments is that there's so many excuses and there's so many there's so many there's so many like oh well if this happened and if that happened and if you actually think about it and if you carry the two on this shut up like listen he just didn't it like things just didn't play out. And I feel like when we're talking about like LeBron and Jordan, a lot of the times Jordan fans talk about stuff that like did happen. And then and then LeBron fans are like, well, if this, this and this happened, then that would have happened as well. It's not excuses. It's a critical thinker. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, it's all this is. So a majority of a lot or not a majority, but a lot of the arguments are based off like

circumstantial evidence and I and just like context. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. It's life. This is this. It's this. It's this. It's this is literally happens to every single human regardless of what aspect of life you're looking at, bro. It's just all about luck. And Jordan was straight up lucky with what he had. And you ranked people higher on your list. And you're like, listen, sometimes you got to be lucky. Sometimes you got to do all this. And you gave them, you gave other people, you gave other people at 15 and 13 credit for being lucky. And now that we get to one and two, you want to say like, oh, well, LeBron was unlucky and you don't want to give Jordan the credit for being lucky. And all I'm saying is that it's a different standard when you guys are arguing. And that's all that.

Let me fucking cook because now I'm pissed Now you got me mad He said it's always excuses It's called being a fucking critical thinker And analyzing things outside I mean critical thinker Whatever you do Use your brain

Funny It's so easy to sit here and be like Six is a better number than four You can read everybody can read a box score And tell you six is a bigger number than four That is it takes no type of analysis Or discourse or anything To just look at a result and be like

This guy won more than this guy he's better. Simply saying the second best player in the world joined forces with the third best player in the world, of course it's an obstacle that the first best player couldn't overcome by himself. That's not an excuse. That's just a basic understanding of what happened

in the world. To call an excuse is to say that any observation is an excuse. It's just a thing that happened that is something that he couldn't overcome because the team wasn't good enough. To say that Jordan didn't have the type of obstacle is just a simple observation. It's not an excuse of any sort. It's just, yeah, he didn't three feet because the greatest team ever assembled got put in front of him

because of a weird caps bike that is an indisputable fact not an excuse we were so close we were so close to not letting this debate consume us and now it has done it has done to us

what it's done to every other basketball and it separated us I just hate that and excuses I hate that I wanted more for us we were so close that happened and maybe it was my fault maybe it was on me

But we were so close to having just like a full intellectual discussion about this. And I want them being Twitter. And I hate this. My bad. My bad. Anytime people disregard context by saying, that sounds like an excuse to me. I'm like, well, that's just the laziest shit in the fucking world. Like, it's not, if you want to say, I mean, your argument about his team was the best team.

So, of course, there was no team better than him. That's a fine rebuttal. But to be like, these are excuses. and to just like disregard them like it's not just like an observation is ridiculous i'm saying when we talk when we even if you go to even because he's he's uncomfortable most uncomfortable right now he doesn't like this he doesn't like this is great i every every time that you like get to a to like an inflection point in lebron's career it's always just like oh but this happened but that happened but this happened but this

happened but that happened and while I accept that when we go to every other player we accept all the if ands and buttons like oh but this happened but that happened and then we placed them accordingly and we like do that but with LeBron it feels like his fans use all the if fans and butts and use that to to catapult him above Jordan and so that's why I'm just like uh like he's just he's I love hanging out groups of three because I could go non-verbal and they entertain each other, that's exactly I'll start now. That's all.

Send it out. Send it out. Free birthday books. Free money. No, that's great. That's great. Yeah, we can wrap it up here. It's not going anywhere.

I love this. All I'm going to say, I'm going to end this off. You're looking at it black and white in this colorful ass world. That's what I'll leave. There's more to it. I love that philosophical last ending. We'll leave it there. People are like black in the color, though.

Oh my God, bro. This is the longest episode in TV3 history. We're at over two hours. We had to do it. I haven't had a single TikTok yet. We had to do it. But it's fitting. Episode 50 or in person.

The goat debate is finally had. That's a much, bro. But what time is it, Mo? Oh, my God. This man is knocked over water. Oh, my goodness. The live fuck up. Oh, my goodness.

It's fine. You know what made me knock it over? What? TikTok eaters. The crayon eaters? Oh, the cron needles. Oh, the fuck. God damn it.

Wow. Luckily, it's not a large portion of water, so we'll let it rock and keep going. Yeah. Yeah, man. It is TikTok time. As always, we've done the past 50.

We're going to start with the draft. Let's do it. This time, we're going to do a draft of players whose first name starts with the letter J. Oh, let me get my phone. I'm ready for this. Yep.

We did a K-name draft a couple, like a month ago now. Y'all loved it. It's our biggest TikTok ever. Shit, fucking banged. Granted, we had Kobe Bryant. Carrey Irving, some big names in there. This time, we don't, but we'll see what happens.

Damn. Cool. So, let's draft NBA lineups with only players whose first name starts the letter J. All right, we good? Yep. All right, my first player, give me James Hardin. Okay, I'm surprised you went there with the first big given your disdain for James Hardin, but all right.

Listen, sometimes he can hoop. Sometimes he can play basketball. Wow, okay. Where are we going next? But also, I knew you tried to get him, so I'm spying me. All right. I would have picked them. Especially after that conversation.

James started this crazy. Go ahead and give me Jason Tatum. That's also crazy, but all right. Okay. Here's interesting. First off, my three, give me Julia's serving. Okay. Wait, this is all time?

Yeah, of course. Wow. Of course. You got it. You got that. It's okay. Julie's serving and then don't do it. Then I'm a center.

You know what? Give me Joelle and Bede. Ah. The best center on this list. Okay. Wow. Okay. There's only, like, three MVP's on this list, and I got two of them.

So you got Julia serving. Joel and Bede. The 76ers Chemistry. Fuck, man. Damn! That's such a good... All right. My whole list is cooking now, man.

Go ahead. So I got Jason who you have? James Hardin. Ah, shit. Who is it... You're not even going to tell me. I don't know. No.

What's that they're an MVP? I don't know. Nope. Ah, shit. All right. So. alongside alongside Jason

Sam go ahead and give me I don't know John Morant okay give me jaw not a table pick okay all right

well I've James Hardin I'm gonna run James Hardin at my one okay and I'm gonna run Jalen Brown at my two okay

and now I'm gonna run Jimmy Butler at my three oh okay wow new school last team I guess I hear you Big as fuck okay I like it

whoa okay let's relax okay let's relax I love having these different cameras So at my four Go ahead and give me Jaron Jackson Fuck I was not to pick him next

Can we be James Jr. That's good Oh that just ruined my team Okay I'm gonna go At my four give me James Worthy Okay That's so good And you know what

I'm just gonna go all in on talent My one give me Jason kid Okay I like that's a good team I like that I got the old heads Who would have thought Damn

our teams are legit flipped yeah okay so my front court is going to be so disgusting damn dude

okay so at my two actually yeah my two give me Jamal Murray interesting wow my team's looking

really nice this is going to be so nasty y'all don't say anything at my four at my four give me Jermaine O'Neill that was negative space Oh my god, bro

And then And I have my five Give me Jared Allen Okay Next fan Give me Julius Randal Shit man

I hate this Yeah I got to Oh you're getting body You guys Steve suck You're getting embodied You get embodied

You know what Just to give myself Some spacing Give me JJ Redick Give me a space All these talent I hate this man I hate this man

my team is okay who's but who seems my first three is fantastic my first my team is whooping your ass my team is destroying both ears you have Julius Randor at your center what are you talking about I do have Julius Randall but you have Jermaine O'Neal We've done this before don't act like Domaine O'Neill is by a bucket don't act like he's not a bucket

that's ridiculous there are no buckets with Jerry Jackson sorry Go watch film Jermaine O'Neill is a buck he's like that He got Jermaine Him and Ron Artes Would a randomly You think Jermaine has to be troubling

I'm not gonna lie Y'all had succeeded in drafting Two of the worst lineups In TD3 draft history Nah These teams are fucking horrendous Mo has two power forwards And two point guards

What the fuck were you cooking The worst basing I've ever seen In a front court Did you what were Y'all got sweat This is crazy Nah man

I like you have your little whiteboard running around shooting three and JJ ready that you guys relax relax relax relax

now the tail is just hilarious looking at it yeah this is such a steep because I have an MVP on my team it's okay I have two I got a delinquent on my team that's it

all right next thing we're gonna do we're gonna run back something we haven't done the long time okay 20 questions. I figured that's one of the first things we did to catapult us in the algorithm and getting us popping on shorts.

Let's bring back a classic for episode 50 in person. All right, let me pull up this guy's basketball reference just so I can answer y'all's questions. Yeah, I do. Okay, I'll let you cook. Let me make sure I can see in the window.

The window's so far. I just said it. There's blinds. All right, I got good? Yep. Hit that TikTok camera. All right. You have 20 questions

to guess this NBA player. Is it Shabazz Mohammed? No, fuck. Oh, okay. Was he drafted after the 2010s? Not after the 2010s. From 2010 and later, he means. Yes.

Okay, cool. Okay. Young player. Next time, please specify your question. Is he a starter? Yes. Currently, I mean? Yes.

Okay. Currently a starter. Currently a starter. Has he ever saw an all-star team in his life? In the NBA, of course. Yes. Oh, he's a. He's an all-star and two.

2010 is he a guard yes is the angler russell no fuck firing off wow okay well yeah got was he uh we'll see a center no he just told me he's a guard i just oh we just said what the fuck i didn't hear that bumble i didn't even hear that damn is he a good defender no no he's not he's not known for being a good defender so he's like actually bad that's a no it's not i mean okay i just we won't elaborate further then okay so not so not outright good defender so he was an all-star you want to ask him he was a good shooter or should we assume he is I'd assume that he is if he's

in all well whoa whoa whoa whoa if he's not a good defender and he's an all-sary I feel he's got to be a good shooter yeah he has to be no wait unless he's just like a straight finisher she would just ask yeah sure is he a good shooter no okay thank god we ask shit all right okay what does nervous down how many non-shooters

point guards are drafted in 2010s non-shooting point guards who were drafted in the 2010 is this don't who was in all But he said the defense was man. And that was a strength for John Wall. Yeah, John Wall was a good defender. Oh, has he won an MVP? No. Okay. No MVP. I was thinking Russ for a second. Oh, Russ was like 2009, though, wasn't he? Okay. Okay. Oh, man. All-star guard. Should we ask the team you drafted by the conference? Yeah. We're getting into the later. Was he drafted by a Western conference team? Yes. Okay. West.

So it's not Derek Rose. Oh, he won MVP anyway. It's not him. Yeah. Not a good shooter What's he a top 10 pick Yes Okay, oh we're thinking point guard It might be a shooting guard I mean question was a top 10 pick There's seven questions left

Do we want to narrow? Should we narrow a down point guard shooting guard? Yeah Is he a shooting guard? No Okay, he's a point guard Okay, so how many point guards Can't shoot So we're getting into the teams

Okay, we're getting close All right Not a good defender, not a good shooter So he's like elite finishing point guard That made an all-star team there's there's she was she drafted in 2010s

yeah he was drafted in 2018 okay is there anything on his list like this year and I guess could it could it be job it could be it could also be

you want to try both nah I'd rather I'd rather see well yeah how do we narrow it down again all right we'll see we're gonna have to put

shot clock on yo fuck man yeah we do Let's go ahead. Let me narrow this down. Um. Height. Do, oh, you know what? Yeah, we can do height.

Is he over six foot four? Is he six foot four or over? No. Is it John Morant? No. What the fuck. Whoa, man. This is not Shaw.

This is not Shay either. Oh, wait. No, he's, so, yeah, Jaws over, Shays over six, four. Yeah. We have five. We have five questions left. He was his all-star?

He was currently a starter. currently a starter he's below he's below six four wait could this be when was drew holly wasn't drafted no he was like 08 or something but drew he's also over 6-04 he's 6-5

true 6-5 wow okay sir producing a kill could we stop highlighting stuff and giving hints I don't appreciate the side coach oh yeah he's not a good offender so it can't be shout out of see that's wrong that's wrong shout out the fourth member y'all should lose a question for that we weren't picking drew holiday

way you already deduced it wasn't drew yeah not a good defender what other all-star point cards there's not why we're so stumped bro this is embarrassing let's let's go Ben Simmons was drafted in the east so it's not Ben Simmons he's fire off under six four fire off some questions I'm taking my time it's only four or less you guys it's a four-hour pod let it be that I'm getting the shit right it's not Eric Bledsoe he didn't make it all-star team no currently I kind of need to know when he was drafted that's my biggest thing yeah I need do like 20 to 2015 let's do that

we should draft it between 2010 and 2015 let me double check no no not 20 not 2010 not it could be Deer and Fox ooh we're at 17 is it the Aaron Fox it is the air fox it is the

let's fucking go give you that's how I needed so close to stumping that draft you go I see how you were if he on the defense yeah yeah he's not a strength of his I see that okay and those I don't know

why that was so hard. It was just the year for me. One all-star team for a DM5. Yeah. I figured it was like a low-level All-Star that only had a one or two with the way you were like had a check. Yeah. Okay. I like that. Let's move on. You doing one now? No. We're going to be listening.

That was long as fuck. Yeah. He's a two and a half hour podcast already. We don't got time for multiple 20 question games. Next thing we're going to do. We've got to get through it. I'm going to ask you guys which NBA player is better with some funky combinations of player's skill sets. Okay. This is so ugly. Let's do it.

Which NBA player is better Which NBA player would be better Luca Donshish with Raymond Felton's body Or Steph Curry with Dylan Brooks is shooting Steph Curry with Dylan Brooks shooting No it would be Luca with Raymond Felton's body Because he already has Raymond Felton's body Yeah but he's like gonna be fucking 5-11 bro

He's already He's already a husky kind of guy Yeah but now make him 6-1 Yeah Yeah, yeah, Raymond Fulton built like the couch in my living room, bro. Like, damn. That's him?

What? Shit, that's him. That is a current Raymond Felton's body. This is what James Harder looks like when he's trying to get out of the series. James Harder's up saying he looks like this. Raymond Fulton or Rick Rosey, man. All right. Damn.

I'm taking. Yeah, yeah, definitely Luca. Definitely, look. I don't know. You can't take the greatest shooter of all times. I mean, he was Hill of Brooks shooting and still think he's going to be affected. Yeah, bro. He's still going to hoist him motherfuckers.

He's not going to make him. He's going to hoist him. He's going to run around, but he's just going to be doing cardio. Can't do that. Right. Trey Young with Jalen Brown dribbling. Oh. Okay.

Or Jalen with Trey Young defense. Jailen with Trey Young defense, bro. Really? Wait. Wait. Who would be better? Yeah. I think it would still be.

Wait, Jalen with Trey. Jalen with. it would be Jalen with Trey Young's defense Jailen with Trey Young's defense is like Eddie Granger Jalen with

Trey, oh man, I don't know if you take away 6-1 Trey Young's ability to go left he can't do anything

No one's passing you No one's passing the ball to him I'm taking Jalen Jalen Jalen with Trey Young's defense is Jordan Clarkson Now he gets 27

tonight I'm taking Jalen Brown I'm taking Jailer Brown I'm taking Jailer Brown It's just too good The offense is too good Okay Joel and Bede

With Chris Paul strength Or Yokish with PJ Tucker height Yokic with PJ Tucker height Yokic with PJ Give me Yolkish right That is L.A. Fitness basketball right that 6-5 high post Dumb-Dum-Dum-Dum

Yeah that's that Is that me? Mine's a foot That literally just sounds like Kyle Anderson. I like that. I love that. That's hilarious. John Morant, what Lucas Vertical

or Damien Lillard with Ben Simmons jump shot. Joe Moran that can't jump or Damien Lillard that can't shoot. I think I would take Dame that can't shoot. I don't know. Jahu can't. He's still a great passer. He's like Rondo. Jha is six.

running dunk man if he can't run and dunk he's not in the league but he's passing though he's passing no he's passing no he's passing he might be rondo you might be cooking that's literally rondo who can who can jump bro that's he's yeah i'm taking definitely john moray easy i'm taking what is dame what is dame providing to me other than his insane yeah he might be like markell fultz on a good day i guess that's gross yeah that's hilarious yeah Give me, give me that boy. Okay. LeBron with Michael Porter, Jr. passing.

Wow. Jason Tatum with the Nascus's bag. Jason, oh my, give me LeBron. It has to be LeBron. The Nascus bag is a curse. Listen, listen, sometimes the way Tatum plays, it looks like he already has the nascent's bag. So I'll go with LeBron.

Yeah. Current LeBron, not probably. Yeah, for sure. Still. Tenasis's bag is crazy. That's a curse, bro. I was in my bag when I thought of that. Okay

Janus with you Donis Haslam's body Oh Or Kevin Durant with Patrick Beverly's body Katie with Patrick Beverly's body That's Monta Ellis Yeah that boy nice He's kind of nice Again if you take running dunk man

And put him in a worst body to where he can't run and dunk I can't support that He might just be Thanassus I almost threw up Phanasis Yeah, I'll take Montaile. I'll take my tail. Who's to say? I'll take Monta's. That's funny. All right, that's the end of that one. Which we're flying through these TikToks. It's a long episode. I know you're tired. You've been watching the whole time. You're working out. Maybe you're at your job. Maybe you're hooping. Cleaning your goddamn room. You need to do that. Fact. I know your mom's pissed. To be yonjee every day I can tell. I love that our fans are like 14 so we can say that type of stuff. Next thing we're going to do classic tier list. We're going to bring back something we did to talk about. A while ago Disrespectful Dunks. We had some videos where we raided them.

Now we're going to tear list them. Mo, I think you have the dunks for us. Yep, and we're going to go straight into it. Let's put these disrespectful dunks into a tier list. Okay. All right. First up, we got Russell Westbrook's poster over Rudy Gobert. Wait, he did this?

I cannot remember this. Yeah, me either. Yep. Nikil's what I show with us. Can't show it to you because the NBA copyright us, but we're watching the dog. wait when do you do this bro this bro this is in this is last year this is last year yep let's watch this sorry guys you guys should google this right now oh dang nuts all over that man shoulder yeah y'all yeah you all got to youtube these as we say them oh elbow over the rim

yeah uh i'm gonna give this a good bee look how he's mean mucking him talking at class Russell Westbrook shit bro It's emotional was time too Yeah Yeah I'm gonna give a good B There's some all-time dunks that are higher But listen this is this is devastating for Rudy Gaubert It should be B

It's devastating But who's the dunk on So I'm putting it in A I'll put it in A It is I like that yeah That's hilarious I forgot about that one Yeah

That's good Classic LeBron James Duncan on Jason Terry Oh that's that's tier That's tier that's two I'm almost like Offended you had to ask This is S here You don't even need to pull up the highlights

Everyone know what it looks like You should have just told me this is S here And I would have agreed Poor Jason man The highlight of his career It's what he gets for talking about his Oh man I love that shit All right

John Morant's dunk on Malik Beasley Ooh this is S or A It's not going lower than A I have to see this again All time John Morant dunks can't be lower to A because they're just the most disrespectful dunks you've ever seen purely by the fact that he's small and he's so high in the air.

Yeah. Like, how the hell do you get up that high when the offense, it's half court like that? Now, they call David Thompson Skywalker in his prime. This must be what they were looking at. This must be Skywalker. Look how he's talking it back too, man. But then again, small defender. Can I tell you something?

I'm not moved. Wow. I'm not moved by this. We have to put this in B. It's impressive, but it's not disrespectful. Why? It's Malik B. He's taking a charge.

He doesn't get to do it. Okay, fair. Touche, his back touch the ground. If you're back to the ground is inherently disrespectful. He was flopping to try and get a charge call. Nevertheless, the back to the ground has got to be able. Yeah, bro, it doesn't matter. If you're back to the ground, you're automatically a way.

Welcome here on forward. This is a beef. It's a good dunk. Not all time. Sorry. All right. What's next? Carl Anthony Towns dunk on Jaron Jackson, Jr.

Now you put this man on the screen. I don't remember this happening. What did he do this happen? Is he like this? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay, he kind of got up. Listen, that was a straight, long arm extension. Magic Johnson.

I mean, Michael Jordan's space jam style, B? He's kind of up there. He's got up there. All in the defensive player of the year? Future. Future. This has to move. It's either B or C.

It's not an all-timer. I'll say B because he really did get up. Yeah. I mean, he is seven feet, but he got up. And this isn't his bad either, so it's like, it's an exceptional way. That's true. This is an out of body experience for him So I'll go be

This is the nicest thing you said about cat in a year Yeah, I think it I'll explain this to turn around Not to go this way If I'm only fair Okay I judge what I see I give credit where it's due

And I hate where hate needs to be hate I respect this All right Blake Griffin's dunk on Kendrick Parkins Which one? Which one? That's a good question I think this is the newest

inducting into the S tier Hmm Ooh This has to be S-tier. One, he's high as hell, throwing it down with strength. Two, it's Kendrick Perkins. We don't buckle Kendron Perkins in any capacity.

S-tier. Three, underrated, look at Russell Westbrook's reaction right after he's seen his get a teammate, his teammate get eviscerating. He turns around. Touched his head like, God damn. He wants nothing to do with him. No, he wants no parts, bro.

And Russell Westwoods is the time to fend for your teammate, bro. He ain't do shit after that. S-tier easy. Don't even say any more words. Yeah. Next. Oh, man.

Next up. Anthony Edwards dunk on Yuda Wadanabi. I know who we're throwing it. I don't want to throw on S tier too lightly, but. This is an S tier. Let's see. Let's see what this is about. We talk about people getting demasculated.

Okay. Here we go. Yuda was never the same. Corner. Don't jump. Don't jump. Oh my God. He fell with him.

That's S tier. Where he landed on. That's S tier. That is. It's a cannibal. Oh, my God. He sacrificed his body for that. Oh, my goodness.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. That's a literal T-Bah. Oh, my goodness. Bro, he's looking literal pain on him. That's crazy. Aunt Riss's career for that, dunk, man. He wanted it bad.

I like that. Yes, that's here. Look at you to defenseless, bro. I like Andy Edwards. I'm a fan. Esther. That's here, easy. I love that.

Next one. Yeah, next one. Zia Williams's poster on Temezi Metu. I don't think anybody don't. Duncan on Chimezi Metzio is that worthy of praise I'm gonna go see. Oh, he's seen C is is that fresh out the memory I need visuals It's just the Shemezi met too. I need visuals Let's watch this sorry guys make sure you guys are Googling these as we're showing them facts Watch along with us the long form of post entry. Oh, got him

Damn, honestly I might go D I don't think that's much of a poster. I think it's just a typical Zion dunk. I think if Chimesey Metzu didn't have feet of concrete like it would have been okay It's not that one great I think and maybe Maybe it's the standard that maybe it's the standard that Zion has set for himself. Yeah, but that was just kind of end. I think that jab step is what offset the shit out of Chimisi like you said. Yeah, it's a good basketball. He had no chance. He had no chance. And it wasn't like straight up run dunk. Nice bag. Zion. But it wasn't disrespectful in anyway. He got to his Carmelo empty back. Yeah, look at him. Yeah, exactly. All right. Last one. Kawhi Leonard dunk on Jakop portal. Portal. Portal. Shit. Get embarrassed. Oh my goodness. We got to sit. these ads. Thank God than our back-to-back ads, though. We got to buy YouTube premium.

We really do. Too cheap for that, bro. Get me off the hood. What is this? I don't have these black jerse. He's not a fan. Yuck. Okay.

Okay. Ooh. He pushed his whole knee into that man's stomach, bro. That's Loki and off a grown man dunk. As low key an offensive foul. Not really.

You literally stuck your knee out. Like there's a foul. A lot of guys fall down like a dunked on. Yacob fell back. He got just moved in air. Like that's pretty cool. Kyle Leonard

is one of the strongest dudes That's not disrespectful though I don't know He knocked the wind out of him Knee in the stomach Kalai's not that disrespectful That's a foul That's against the rules

He shouldn't be allowed to do this It wouldn't have happened If Yaacob just get up there But he can't On the other way I'm a fucking hall monitor over here Alright where do you guys write this D

D I'm fine with D I actually know If Zion's a D This got to be a C This is not Zion tier This is not Zion tier This can be C He quite literally

moves his entire body Wow, I can't believe you put cat B, that's so crazy That's the last one I assume you have Aaron Baines I told you all the Bid Oh yeah Last one Aaron last one

Joel and Bid ducking on Aaron Baines This is an NBA playoffs This is nice This is like Yeah on the biggest stage Biggest age Oh my God Ben Simmons He knows how to triple and run down the court still

Oh don't Yeah this is another one that If he inflicted physical pain I mean the list of his own body According to y'all though Back hit the ground this has to be a right yeah okay all right i listen if nothing we are consistent here at the deep three so okay i'm with it yeah bro yeah none of his teammates ran to his help immediately no

look at who is that what is that semi oh jillette that's crazy we all to think like yeah yeah so who is this Okay, damn, that's a good tier list This is our fastest tier list we ever does Damn, yeah, I don't know if we can make this a clip shit That was great Alright That's hilarious

Oh man There is no debate Which is like, yep, art All right next thing we're gonna do We're gonna do something we've been doing for a while Old versus new But this time is small forward edition Let's get back in our NBA debate

bait back after we had a little fun that's funny so let's get into a small for it is better old or new ready to argue so first off kawai leonard versus scotty pippin kawai cool okay okay when it comes to being given the forefront the franchise of my organization although it hasn't been consistent scottie never had that opportunity at least when you didn't get that opportunity never rose to the But if he has an opportunity, this prime, could he have done that? Probably not. I mean, he got the opportunity and he didn't. So you know what?

I guess I'll take Hawaii. It pays you to say that? Yeah. Goes against my morals. Yeah. After 2019, it's got to be quai. Easy. Just want to start you off an easy one, see where your temperature's at.

See you for going to be old heads today. Clearly not. Paul George versus Dominique Wilkins. Dominique Wilkins. We'd be an old heads today. We'll be an old heads today. It's Dominique Wilkins. I hate this one, bro.

You're blinded by a good podcast. It's a great podcast. What do you want for me? The podcast and the bag, bro. God, I guess it's Dominique. It literally has to be Dominique. He's your favorite, 17-year-old's favorite player. That's all I'm saying.

They don't know anything. They don't know anything. The efficiency, quite literally having the worst injury that any athlete could imagine other than snapping your leg and being right back. Which ball of his hat? Yeah, I know. Exactly, so I'm like, oh, this is the side of your leg. I mean, he really did snap his like, bro.

I mean, Paul George is a better defender, better shooter, maybe a better passer. Which is all things. Maybe Dominique's running dunk, man. Don't you ever call it running dunk, I'm kidding. No, Dominic playing today's game and had that spacing with his penetration. He'd average 35, bro. You know who Dominique play with? Tree Rollins.

I only know Tree Rollins. I only know Tree Rollins because he had a nasty ruby card. And a few two came. my teams to go. Oh my goodness. He was like 89 overall had like a 94 rebounding. I was eating with Tree Rollins on the black top. I don't even know who that is. God. He said that was a really good rebounder in like the 80s. God, man. Shout to Treat Rollins.

Yeah, those Hawks teams were terrible. Next up. The big one Kevin Durant versus Larry Bird. I'm taking Larry Bird. Yeah. I want to say Katie, but like But we're talking just better, not legacy. Just who's a better player? That's hard. It's not that easy. I'm taking Larry Bird. Oh, man. This is better.

What's the argument for Larry Bird? I think Larry Bird is a much better playmaker. Better, yeah. Than Kevin Durant. For sure. And I think when you average out like their entire career, Larry Bird is a better defender. What? I think there was a, no, I think the peak of Kevin Durant defending, which he low-key, like kind of still is.

Yeah. Like, it's better. But there's some, there's some early years where I think I would take Larry Bird. I'll go Byrd because Katie's a good defender now, but he was never a good defender while he was at all. time great score young kd when he was averaging 30 and asleep or young kd when he was averaging 32 and asleep wasn't defender he is now exactly bird had his peak offensively and defensively at the same time exactly damn man that's tough i kind of want to say katy but i have to and guess what rings whatever that's so nasty i told you we're

getting discuss it on these debates next up paul pierce versus jimmy butler give me jimmy Butler I'll take I'll take Jimmy Bullitt Paul Pierce does too much talking for a guy who gave bounce out on the first round every that is insanely close we gave we gave Paul we gave Paul George credit for having a good podcast let's ding Paul Pierce for I love to get podcast smoke was that showtime show KG carries I'll say that oh 100% Paul Pierce was trying to get that show kicked off a showtime

the way he was acting yeah Paul George's dominating the media game Paul Pierce got his first media job Got fired. True. Promptly. I felt like he was on ESPN for too long, though. Any amount of time was too long. But yeah, I mean, Jimmy Baller is a better defender.

He's better passer. Paul Parrish can shoot better. Jamie Buller can finish better. Yeah, man. The second that Jimmy Buller gets put. Paul Pierce has a cool nickname, though. The truth is hard. Jimmy Buckets.

He did get stabbed. He got stabbed. How many times? Nine times? Some, all. I forgot about that. Their ability. I forgot about that.

He got stabbed nine times, played 82 games. Listen, he's whack, but he is the NBA 50 cent for that reason. Maybe we got to go Popperse. Nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah, no. Fuck damn, man. We got sense. No, we don't give a fuck about Paul Pierce.

Next one, Brandon Ingram. I said it all weird. Brandon Ingram versus Ron our test. You know what I'm going. Where are you going? We're going Meta World Peace. Ron Artesse. The Pandas friend.

The Pandas friend. If it wasn't for a fan throwing a beer on Ron Artec, he would have taken the league over in 2004. Taking the league over. He would have been the best two-way player we've ever seen. This man was so stout defensively. He's better. He would lock up Brandon Ingram. He would lock up Brandon Ingram.

And knock him out. I listen. I know Brandon Ingram is about it. He'll throw him. Yeah. Listen, Brandon Ingram will want to fight. Ron our test will win the fight That's where we're going

We're gonna go our test Strictly out the hands Yeah So be it I won't be the one to tell our test Anything otherwise He's not running up on me I don't want to

I don't want him Get him Last one Carmelo Anthony versus Jason Tatum You know what I'm going I'm not Jason Tatum Don't y'all dare

Yeah Tatum Don't y'all dare Listen they can both The average 30 They can both be mediocre passers. One's a great defender. One's a bad defender. One's made the finals. One hasn't. Let me tell you something. Let's tell you something about Carmelo Anthony. Everything that Jason Tatum tries to do,

Carmelo Anthony perfected already. All that backs up in the mid range. Let's make the finals. That's Carmelo. That's Carmelo. He birthed Jason. Him and Kobe birthed Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum won more at the age 19 that Camelo did in his whole career. Because Terry Rozier was out here, get her bucket. That's why. Oh, my God. That's a lot of just a lot of, I'm like, oh my goodness. Terry Rose was out of here, get in buckets.

Oh, bro, that's crazy. What? I hate the erasure. I hate the erasure. I'm completely joking. We can give it the credit to Mello. Really? Are you serious?

She said, I'm not joking. Yeah, I don't want to lean. I'm not going to be the one to ride for Jason Tatum. it was like Paul Pierce versus, I mean, if it was like Paul George versus Melo, I might have got spicy, but I'm not going to be out here capping for Jason Tatum. We can walk with Melo. It's cool. I'll give Melo the credit, because I don't want to get yelled at.

What do we got left? We have one video left. We're firing. We're running through these TikToks. We're at 2 hours and 51 minutes of the recording. After I edit some stuff out, we're ruining three hours. God damn. Longest pot ever. You do this for y'all. Yes.

Among other things Last video we're going to do If you're still here What should have people comment Let's tell them now Comment LeBron's the goat Facts Comment that

So next video we're going to do Is which NBA player is more fun to watch We're going to have a straight vibes right now So which NBA player is more fun to watch This is a perfect way to end the To end the day La Mello Ball versus Anthony Edwards

Now when it comes to just strictly more fun to watch I don't remember the last time I've seen a lamella ball highlight Anthony Edwards he show his name pops up on podcast he don't do podcast bro he'd be rapping on the side

lamello ball don't rap bro I just saw this man Anthony Edwards talk shit tell Jerry Jackson do you the defensive player of the year jump you the defensive player the year and proceeds to dunk and Jaron Jack was joining away

I might have to say Anthony Edwards bro he said it all yeah it's Anthony Edwards listen I was hesitant to start last year Anthony Edwards might be him I'm gonna have to give it to him Yeah bro That yeah bro

And plus on the defensive end Lamello Ball's never going to give me a highlight He's just gonna give me some like Edwards is out here Locking up either Oh yeah for sure but he's overrate the fuck He's gonna be swan shit though That's that's a highlight that's fun Yeah

Anthony Edwards dunk on Yuta Wada Nabi Waushes Lamello's entire highlight career High school included Damn close High school included The Chino Hill days That cherry picking does not move no no no no No pointing at half court

and then knocking it in. That's crazy. That inspired generations. I've never seen anyone do that also. I stand corrected. I do that to this day, bro. But I'll be missing. I was about to say, you can't hoop.

We'll see. Stay tuned. Yonis Atena Kumpo versus James Hardin. Janus. I really get upset watching James Hardin play basketball. It's the anti-of-fun. It's ruined your day. Yeah.

He actually makes your life. works by existing. I mean, I'm not a fan. Never been a fan. I don't know. Listen, current day James Hardin,

I'll give it to Janus. Prime James Hardin was one of my favorite players of all time. You're a nerd for that. That's awful. I ain't never seen. What do you mean?

That's such a bad Twitter mindset. Facts. I ain't never. James Hardin is the least nerd thing about me. 2019 James Hardin was straight bag, straight buckets, just a fun joy to watch.

Was that the year he almost A fun joy to what? Oh, he almost tore. out Patrick Beverly's knees in a cross Wesley Johnson on the hardwood.

You've never heard of Wesley Johnson's name after that. Watching James Hardin play in his prime, especially those last three years in Houston, is the same thing as watching somebody commit tax fraud. It's awful. It's a terrible watch. I hated it.

Oh, man. That's funny. All right, next one. Luca Donchich versus Joelle Embed. Luca. Wait, do I want to say Luca? Jesus.

This is hard. This is hard. It's hard. I actually like Joel and they're both just foul merchants like crazy. Dude. But when M. B, do it though, it's harder to watch because he's the biggest dude on the court at all times.

Sometimes he actually has to do it for health reasons and stuff like that. But y'all are bearing the lead. Fuck the foul merchant shit. Luca in the playoffs, the best player you've ever seen your goddamn life. Yeah. Well, beating the playoffs, Trey Rollins. Yeah, give me, that is true.

I'll get, I'll get Luca. I've seen Luca stay down PG and Kauai in their eyes, bro. Joel and Bede, bro, he'd be trembling over who? Mark is smart? Yeah, get out of here. I've seen Al Horford put the fear of a God in that man's heart. Yeah, exactly, yeah, that's true. He made him be his maker on multiple occasions.

That's facts. So much to the point where they gave that man 30Ms a year just to not be on the opposing team. That's crazy. They paid him to not scare their star. You know what crazy that is? Damn, bro. Wow, he's really not like that Yeah, that's so crazy

He's really not like that Yeah, that's hilarious Nicola Yokic Which is Jason Tatum It's Yokich Yeah, I'm glad you answer that so fast It's Yokich, it's Yukes He just does absolutely everything

And Tatum If Tatum was as good as Kobe And he could play like Kobe Then maybe it's an argument But he tries to play like Kobe And he's not good So it's like, dang like you kind of suck If you disagree, get your head out of your ass

You're watching one of the greatest players of all time in his peak enjoy it stop being salty that he's better than your favorite it's okay yeah bro

I ain't gonna lie there's so many versions and duplicates of Jason Tatum and it's just like a little bit worse so yeah give me

give me Yokic yokech you'll never see anybody like yogic again the rest of your life enjoy well less wow next one

Jordan Poole versus Austin Reeves we're boots in a Boston just because he plays for the Lakers yeah this is Jordan Pool

but Jordan Pool when he's back Even Jordan Pull when he's bad, it's so bad, it's like, wow, this is crazy. So I'll give Jordan. I low lights of all time. Yeah, I'll give Jordan Pull the knot. Listen, he's anything but boring. I'll say that. Facts, exactly.

Yeah, just more fun. I can watch the train wreck that Jordan Pool sometimes. The half court shooting, the carries that be so beautiful, bro. I'm talking about he looking at women on the sidelines. What? This year in the Wizards, he's either going to average 27, make an all-star leap, or he's going to average 19 on the worst efficiency you've ever seen your fucking life, which will be a joy to watch as a hater.

Your legacy is on the line, Jordan. Next one. Steph Curry versus John Moran's. It's Steph Curry. Easily. I mean, I apologize. Easily. I don't know about easily.

Easily. I can see everything that John Morant does in a two-minute span on House of Highlights, and I can just scroll. Step Curry, I watched the entire game, and the whole thing is fun. You're cooking. Steph Curry is the answer. So John Morant's the answer if you're 14 and you're like, Ooh, big dunk.

Steph Curry's the answer if you're an adult and you actually like things about the sport. Yeah, big dunk and gritty. Steph Curry is the answer if you can appreciate the intricacies of the game

and all over a nerds shit. If you're a nerd, you'll love Steph Curry. Yeah. Oh, man, yeah. It is for sure, Steph Curry. It is for sure, Steph Curry.

Big dunk and good idea. A jump rat experience. Beautiful. Dremong Green. Versus Roodie goes so nasty. Dreymond. Rudy see it's it's draymond it's easily dream yeah draymond he's gonna be talking the entire game and when rudy talks everything he does is just annoying your name is rude d bro

rude dude yeah who says it like that it's slowly i don't know but it's Rudy you hate this man so much you added an extra syllable to yeah bro just to hate when you're watching dream on green it's like watching a hockey game you're just hoping a fight happens and you find enjoyment and anticipation. Nothing interesting is going to happen watching where you go there. There's no upside. Backs.

The upside is 16 points, 11 rebounds. 16? Upside, I said. Cry. He's not scoring that. Next one. Damien Lillard versus Devin Booker. Damian Lillard.

I think it's Dame. Yeah. I think when Dame gets going and he starts pulling from beyond half court, that's that's the weird. Like I nobody else can do this outside of step Counterpoint see those first two games against a Nuggets when Damien Lillard just like went 16 straight shots missing maybe one or two

Me debuk, yeah Oh yeah, did I say that wrong? Yeah, fuck. Okay, I sold it No, yeah for sure, but no there's I've never seen anything like bubble Damien Lillard That was like an enigma one of the greatest since I've ever seen him dropping 60 going back and forth with the entire team going to double overtime and multiple walk off game winning shots what's insane bro yeah and David and Devin Booker's career high is the fake of 70 of all time so who's to say wow fake 70 70 was the fake 70 ever what are you kidding me stat padding to 70 I love I love that I love them booker though but that 70 was hilarious yeah for sure last one Paul George versus Trey young ah man this is tough because

Paul George is forever they're both podcasters take that how you will be able to Try Young's podcast is so cheeks It's so bad Is he still doing the podcast? Yeah, Gilbert Arenas on it Which is good, but like

I'm glad you're out here hustling, you're talking about handles bag, pure enjoyment It's kind of the two of the best of their positions damn near

Paul George's damn near He's not a pioneer He's not a pioneer But man when he'd be getting into his bag It takes you to a zone He hits the side of the backboard like nobody else that's true listen man

Paul George had a 360 dunk in game last year what are we talking about but what I was I watching no because it's Paul George I'd say Triung oh man yeah the passes that Triang be throwing he's easily the now most underrated player in the NBA

the passes that he'd be throwing the deep threes the shit talking man back boss to take him Paul George I mean Paul George I hate what I'm saying at all

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