The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Most Fun To Watch Stars In The NBA | Ep. 143

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Ranking every NBA star on how fun to watch they are! #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro & interview teaser 3:30- OKC vs MIN 32:02- NYK vs IND 55:15- fun to watch rankings 1:58:20- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Donovan, how are you feeling? What's going through your mind right now? 48 hours after the fact after the incident. I mean, listen. After the haliband attacks? I mean, look, I talked to Jalen and Josh this morning, right? They said that they was locked in. So we'll see what's happening tonight.

You know, Josh said, it's like, listen, I've been playing a lot of MLB the show again. He doubled down on that. I was like, I don't know if you really want to tell everybody that. He said, nah, just trust me. So listen, we got one game at home. I feel fine. I feel okay. Well, we're asking them now because the start of this show, we're recording this Thursday, May 29th at 12.11 p.m. Central Standard Time. What we're going to do today by, as you see by the title, the main part of this episode is going to be us ranking our top 25 most fun players to watch in the NBA this year. That'll be the bulk of the episode in hour two. But in hour one, we're going to record as we do every playoff series when these many episodes come out. We're going to record tonight after game five of Knicks versus Pacers. So you see his face now. You see his face now. You see.

see the, I don't know, subdued confidence he has now, or maybe the subdued fear he has now. We can't tell. It's hard to get a read for him right now, hit with his team being down 3-1. Well, we will be recording after the fact. So you will see what the reaction is based on however game five goes. He indeed did not talk to Josh or Jim and Brunson or nobody. Do you have no connections whatsoever. You open this morning, brush the chief and he came straight to the studio.

His ass is not plugged in. Like I said, we're going to rank the most fun players to watch. That should be a phone conversation. we're going to react to tonight's patient versus next games we're to talk about the OKC Thunder advancing to the finals, Timberwol is going home all of that should be a real fun episode for you guys Let's jump right into it

Before we get to the first part of the episode I almost forgot to tell you guys about a special drop we have tomorrow You guys know what we do every single year We go to the NBA Combine You guys saw us post about it on social media potentially You guys saw the episode last year where we talked to all the players

At the top of the 2024 NBA draft class Another one He'll go one more for you Who was your favorite To talk to? Me personally, I think it might be Trey Johnson Yeah, he's a funny dude

That's our favorite I'm gonna play for you guys A sneak peek at that This will be out tomorrow If you guys are watching on Saturday Or later it'll be out today for you It's already there Check it out

Second part of this week's drop It'll be its own episode Go watch it See who we talk to in the class See Trey Johnson See Ace Bailey See Cooper Flagg See Dylan Harper et cetera

Nah man Q the highlight reel We got A's Bailey. That's crazy. This is one of my favorites. True? Yeah. That means the rest of them is bad.

How many versions of you would you need to take down a gorilla? That's the a thousand. That's the house. And you're going to see him punch another one in the face. His face is going to be over there. Us for 25 of us each. So it's a combination of body types and athletic. Don't do it like that.

Don't do it like that. He just looked at my foot and he's like, people will say pass in. Yeah. But I can pass. though. If you look back, I can pass very, very good. Trying to make a lot of different winning plays and impact the game in more ways than just scoring. Can you expound on that archetype? What is that?

I mean, people see a 6-5 white guy. And they assume shooter, obviously, which is true. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on eaters rejoice. Naturally, we had to begin this episode by talking about the end of the Western Conference Finals last night. Tim Bulls got sent home in five. Moe got the prediction exactly right. We thought it would be OKC and six.

It was five. Where did we begin? Can we have a mini funeral for the Minnesota Timberwolves real quick? Sure. Pour one out. Shout to Julius Randall. Shout to Anthony Edwards. The corpse of Mike Conley.

I love seeing the effort. Rudy Gaubert. no words for you man nods reed holy shit why no words for no rid you bear i can't just rudy exactly like what am i supposed to say bro he's just there exactly i don't have no expectation he did his job it was not enough exactly just play a little bit defense playing 19 20 minutes get your four points get the fuck out of here simple the biggest thing that i learned from this series is that anthony edwards indeed still has a few ways to go as a superstar in this league and the biggest thing that we talked about

about on Tuesday night stream. It wasn't TD3 Tuesday on a, is it 5, 6 p.m. Eastern and Central time. Instead be recorded at night right after the game. Still tap in regardless. You should be plugged in. But on that stream, I said, yo, Anthony Edwards, one of the most glaring holes in his game,

scoring game specifically, is how limited he is as a score. Naturally, you hear that and you're like, oh my God, Anthony Edwards can get to anywhere he has a fantastic handle a bag. That's true. But he doesn't have the mental psyche just yet in terms of how to get to his spots and choosing his spots and the pace

within that as well. The biggest difference that between someone like him and Shea is his mid-range scoring. Last year, Anthony Edwards, he took like 64 mid-range attempts last year in the playoffs against Dallas Mavericks and all those other teams. And this year, he took, that rate was literally spent in fucking half, bro. More than half, actually. He took only 30 shots from the mid-range area. And of course, this year, as we all know, the biggest emphasis for him was be a laser from the three-point line. He went in and he did that. He's a very fast learner, and he's easily one of the most gifted and talented players that the league has to offer today. But how he is from the mid-range area is a genuine issue because this year, this entire

playoff run, he shot just 30% from there compared to last year when he took like 60, 64 attempts, shot like 48, 45% from there, which is obviously much better than what we saw this year. that right there he has to change his entire not shot diet necessarily but how he approaches the game yeah exactly he just doesn't have the counters that someone like she has that he's gained over the years obviously you know being three or four years younger naturally hasn't really developed a part of his game yet and it shows because that extra added three point shot you talk about off the dribble is an amazing counter to being a slasher so obviously when you're young and your main goal is to get downhill every time one dimensional now he's at least two dimensional

because he has one the best pull threes in the league which gives you a counter the games where we see him go crazy, it's because that pull-up three is hitting. And obviously, if you go under the screen, because you want him to drive, he hits those pull-up threes unguarded. But that pull-up threes is really only counter. And obviously, difficult pull-up threes off of pick and roll has some variance to it. Sometimes I might not be falling. And then everything kind of collapses. Adding that in-between game is going to be the next step for him for sure. If he can be a pull-up three threat, a pull-up mid-range threat, and the best driver in the league, then that's when we're going to see the version of him. We all expect to see when he's like 27 or whatever, where you're

like, oh, okay, this is the next legendary scoring shooting guard. Yeah. Last night was over, before even the first quarter was done, it was over. Yeah. And it was, there was a stretch of like the first three to four minutes where Oklahoma City, as disrespectful as they've been saying, Jada McDaniels, if you want to win this game, go ahead. Right.

Like those shots. You can have, you can have every corner three that you want. Chair Hongren is not even going to look at your direction. As soon as you get the ball, he's going to turn. I'm sorry to stop you but I have a very important call from a very important person Isaac I got you we got a very important person on the phone right now Who the fuck is that? What is your twin? What is going on today's National Isaac Day and I want to do some special for you

Your hands over the camera Wow this is an unexpected turn hello This is a family reunion right here Everybody all the time what's going on man everybody's always talking about my my look-a-likes and my double gangers you have as many variants as i do okay how you doing man good man yeah i don't know one of my one of my reels blew up and people kept telling me i was like i was like oh shit you know i think we might be related or something like i'm from texas you're from texas i don't know

something something might happen like something's a foot somebody somebody doesn't know all the information out there. Oh, great. Thank you for getting my doppelking here on the show, I guess. Exactly. Congratulations, Isaac. I gave him your email. You go ahead.

I sent my family reunion for you guys. It'll be happening soon. Oh, great. Nice to be you, brother. Nice being you, too. Appreciate your brother. Well, that was the most random shit I could possibly imagine. It was the perfect way to cap off, I guess,

I suppose, Jimmy Butler run that he's been on. Which we haven't said. anything about but I have to say something today because it is the last one he looks like viola david especially in the way and he walks up the stairs it's going to be crazy all right man I guess that caps off the talk about the Minnesota Timberwolves you guys know what it is they made two conference finals they're a young team I there's not even you know obviously when somebody loses gets eliminated especially deep in the playoffs there's always a instinct to have some large conversation about how they're so flawed and what can they do to get over the next

jump of their development or whatever not face the Oklahoma City Thunder that's what they can do they're a great team that obviously had gotten a lot better over the course of the year the okC thunder are just a different breed they are truly a championship caliber team and the timbrewoles are clearly whatever level is right below that exactly what do you know the thunder in the finals who the thought surprise surprise yeah exactly congratulations to you congratulations to you because you guys have been screaming this, clamory for this at the start of the year. You had, you guys had OKC at the top of the top outside of the Boston Celtics for you, I believe, earlier in the year. No, no, I picked OKC to win the title.

I was just always so set on Boston being the number one threat out east. And watching, watching this game, it really is like, damn, like, even like it would be so interesting if we were able to get a healthy Boston OKC. because obviously like that that was the matchup that we were talking about the entire year then obviously everything goes south with Boston but you look at a lot of these other teams obviously from Minnesota couldn't do anything with them

even like hate aside I think that if Indiana does win the series I think that okay C is going to beat them pretty handily and then they're obviously going to be big favorites against us we'll see what happens you know if we pull out off the comeback but like yeah they their past just seems so

clear and cut out It feels like the red carpet is out for them to just go and win this chip. And so I'm honestly very happy for them, especially considering everything. A lot of what people have talked about with this team harkens back to stuff that's like that happened 12, 13 years ago with KD, Russ and Harding. And the fact that you can kind of have this like full circle moment of having another young big three and they're on the precipice of getting a chip. And they are probably actually going to do it like for this fan base and for that team. Like shout out to them because that is very cool to see that. That's the right way to phrase it.

It's just, you just feel good for the thunder for all the conversations around them since started last year when they got the one seed. And someone like me was up here saying, this team is at the least going to be the conference finals last year. They obviously lost the second round when they had conference finals type of expectations from people like me hyping them up. And obviously, what's the first thing people say when you lose in the second round when you're expected to potentially go far as number one seed?

They're frauds. They're frauds, regular season teams. They're too young. They're not ready. Nonsense. They just lost a hard series with close games. It could have won either way. But sure, maybe they were young at that.

that time dish your rolls around they have that experience from last year that everyone screams where's the experience that was that they get better they add hardinstein they add caruso they don't get complacent they know they need to keep getting better in an ever increasing level of competition in the western conference and from the jump it's been so clear this team was the most talented team out west everybody decided to doubt them or the people that did not everybody but the people that did decide to doubt them and continue to say they're too young they're only built for the regular season whatever it was always just like wishful thinking it was always clear if you paid even a little bit of attention to the basketball that was being played all regular

season. This team was in interior row in the Western Conference. It was simply a matter of are they going to stay healthy and are they going to execute like last year and live up to live up to the even greater expectations they have now? They have. They're every bit as dominant as you'd expect them to be. They've trampled through the West. The second they showed a little bit of mortality against the Nuggets, everyone was obviously quick to be like, can't trust the regular season ever. It's a different sport in the playoffs over here. See, C, C, C. They stood. They got through that. Their hardest test. They're here. They beat the shit out of this team. If they don't win the finals, like we said all year, I will be shocked.

No, it's going to be insane. And again, the regular season stuff is interesting because if you actually did watch, they went through a lot of injuries during the regular season and they still, like, the road has not been super, super easy for them to get here. And the fact that they won 68 games without Chet for a lot of time with a lot of their role plays. Chet was out. Eyeheart was out, bro. there was an extensive period of time where jada wasn't there as well it was insane you

right i didn't even think about that in terms of how they weren't even healthy throughout the entirety of the year and they still had the best record in in the league 68 wins and like again people almost winning 70 is if they didn't lose shit how many games they win they could they could be rivaling like the record they losing chet for a whole year and even when he came back he hasn't been nearly as good as he was before the injury for reasons we talked about like this is truly one of the most dominant regular season teams of all time and i know we've learned from other teams that regular season success does not always equate the playoff success. That does not mean it never does.

And the people that simply have to say, prove it to me in the playoffs, regular season means nothing, I implore you to care about the games you're watching because nine times out of ten, the team that wins at all was also fucking fantastic in the regular season. Just because there's a 2015 hawks out there or a 2025, if you want to not give them grace for the injuries, just because these teams exist does not mean the nature of regular season teams being young and good means they have to be bad in the playoffs. Some teams show you everything you do to see and obviously are regular. to win. Brother, earlier in the year, we were watching Jadab start at the five for them. I forget about

those days. Oh my God. Yes. And exactly. The things that Jadab was able to do on a continuous basis on offense and defense, specifically defense, the way he elevated was ridiculous. I never envisioned someone like Jadab prior to this year being able to anchor the defense and be masquerade at least as your five. Masquerade as your best rim protector. Masquerade as the best perimeter defender at times bro it's ridiculous what he's been able to do and what okay see overall have been like all their players just camouflage so well into the into each other yeah and they just have like they have everything needed to have sustained excellence too like they have a great team culture where clearly they're all just like best fucking friends and they're all happy for each other

every time she gets a reward or any type of recognition points to the teammates anytime she gets a recognition the teammates point to him and say look they're so happy for him they have the depth. They have the cheap stars. I still have a couple more years before they get expensive. They have the assets to replenish that over time once those guys get expensive and you lose an Isaiah Joe, lose a Caruso, whatever may be. They've just done everything right from a team from a team builder perspective. And beginning of this year, I said this is the greatest rebuild we've ever seen. And that was abundantly clear no matter what the outcome is. There's never been a team put in better position to win now and win in the future than this Oklahoma City

Thunder team. And the response that is obviously, okay, that's fair, but they got to win it first before you can crown them the best rebuild. Yes. It looks like we're going to get there. At the very least, they're in the finals. That's enough for me to say, Sam Presti, this is the best job any GM has ever done. Easily, I agree with you. Like five to six years ago on my personal YouTube channel, I made a video titled,

this could be the greatest rebuild of all time. I said the exact words, it just came out of your mouth. Now, obviously, at that time period, I think I made that, I think I made that video around the Chris Paul era, the Dennis Schroeder era. Yeah. And when Danel Gano was over there, getting them boys tough buckets as well. crazy fucking time and at that time period they were fresh they were just getting off the rusting they just recently traded paul jors to the clippers and all that and we we saw someone like shay

just sit down and develop behind great guards and chris paul who's still not at the top of his class but he was one of the better guards that the league had to offer and also dennis shorter as well who vastly improved and that was one of his best career highs at that moment too in time and seeing how like sam presti learned like he had a job generational fumble back then when he had, he drafted Russ, Katie, and Hardin. Seeing how he handled that, also drafted pretty well around them with Stephen Adams. And you could, you could also throw out Sergei Bach and all that to see how he just fumbled that and was able to literally replenish that in this, in, in a decade and staying even harder on all 10 by getting off a Russ when you write when he should have. And also PG2 at the peak of his value is ridiculous.

The Thunder have been around as a franchise for 16 years. Duma! They have two finals trips with two distinct young cores, with four total MVP caliber players, two other stars in J-Dub and Chet. Like, Sam Price has been there the whole fucking time. What a remarkable short history for this franchise. This is, they are, it's hard to replicate this and duplicate this,

especially if you don't have much lottery luck. But hey, this team right here didn't have real lottery luck either outside of getting number two back in 2021 22 with Chet Holgram there are the blueprint them in the Indiana pages in my mind for small market teams to get their shit together

and that blueprint trade Paul George always doing it leads to good things you will make the finals whether in the east or in the west in 2025 you trade Paul George you'll make the finals listen that's what they're saying the dynasty starts after you

by definition it did it did and obviously we'll say that dynasty type of talk for after they win the finals in a week and a half for two weeks, whatever may be. We'll have to have a lot of conversations about what the roadmap for this team looks. But as of now,

getting to the finals at the very least when you're this young and have this many reasons to doubt them, amazing accomplishment. I agree with you. Fantastic. You know how a couple of months ago, I think I said like,

this team feels very reminiscent of the 2015 wars. I think me or you said that. I don't know. I said that a year ago. Yeah, it feels like that to a T because, you know, one is it first NBA five.

She just won his first MVP, just like, um, it's being clear. Just like Curry. They went ahead and they made their acquisition for the Warriors. It was Andreigodal for this team. It seems to be Alex fucking Caruso. Then you got your supporting cast who were just ascending right in front of your face. It was Clay and Jermont Green.

For this team, it's Jada and Chet. I'm, again, you're right. We're going to save the dynasty talk until they actually do the whole thing. But man, oh man, it's scary. It's just so exciting, right? Like, there's such an amazing team just as a fan of basketball that they have me feeling like a fan of Oklahoma. And I've never said anything good about Oklahoma before 14 months ago. You were just cooking the fuck out of them because of their education.

They don't give a shit about Oklahoma. But this team is such a great story, such a basketball lover's dream that you can't help but root for them. State full of dummies. I didn't say all that. Stateful of dumb politicians. We can say that. I saw somebody say like if you start seeing 49th in education, you know okay so he's winning the game so you know she's giving belt and also shout

on she too the performances he's had in the series are great obviously this team has thrown every single coverage you could imagine at him you know people were like why isn't chris finx adjusted you know he never does adjustments yada yada yada they're defending the same way as always he tried she shred every single one of it uh jaden mcdaniel's does not look at all they be a defender when he's guarding shay goes to Alexander and that is nothing to do with jane McDaniels. Jamie Gannels is a swell defender. Again, like I said in the top, the timber wolves, I don't feel the need to have some huge masquerading conversation about, oh, we got to pretend they're so ass, they got to blow it up. How would I get a trade for Kevin Durant?

No, the thunder is just better and they won in the ways they should have. Yeah, exactly. Good for them. Exactly. I agree. There's no need to deconstruct this team or have any overarching like, man, they are a problem. They either blow this shit up or none like that. They just, but they do decisions to make that we should probably talk about because they do have a lot of, a lot of looming questions of free agency that I guess we can talk about. Randall, Nas, and Mikhail Alexander Walker all going to be free agents. We had our opinions about what they should do with the situation before the series started, obviously. I think we all probably lean towards keep Nas at all costs. In this playoff run,

at times it looked like Nikila Alexander Walker is much more important. It's switch. Yeah. Just say, just say it. What do you, what is your plan with those three guys? What do you want to do? What's your vision for this team in the future if you're running the Timberwolves? this the vision is now obviously all of it all of it starts with how do you feel about Julius Randall and like next year

next year do you envision Julius Randall on the team again or are you going to take another team that went to the west of conference finals and trade your second best player and see what you can do and just and make another bet that is going to go up another level it's worked one time it's actually worked twice we'll see if it can happen a third time

but the the random piece is interesting I think that probably will keep him and at least sign him to to an extension especially because it's not like he did have a great run this series tempered a little bit of expectation we could probably get a little bit less on that contract but nods read and do he has serious issues serious his PR I said that as a few of drug addict I'm sorry I'm sorry noz read needs help I say like he's a crack addict that's not thinking it's whatsoever on defense oh boy he needs fucking help

oh my god I've I've been so irritated with the display that he was able to put on or wasn't able to put on against his O KCC against these guys in O KC I understand this is like for Nas Reid's game how we

operates in the perimeter all that this is a fucking nightmare I remember game one game two he understood like yo he thought she was sweet he I remember there was a couple positions where he was forcing it in the post against someone like jadab i believe and he wasn't going anywhere and from that series from that point all out he didn't really have a good any any real serious performance fantastic performances in this in this series he had one game i guess i think it was game through

whatever when they're down too well but outside of that the nature of his game i'm unsure if it's super conducive to championship basketball at least not yet maybe it's just a matchup thing is just a terrible series i don't know it's just not consistent it's just not a type of a game you can rely on when it's a big man who's so reliant on his outside jumper, like hitting. If he doesn't, if he's not hitting from three, which a lot of times he does, we've seen in past runs. True. There's not going to be defensive impact.

He's going to make a lot of bonehead mistakes, make some bad fouls, and he's going to complain about it. Like nobody else saw what he was doing. There's not going to be a ton of added value outside of the scoring, but the scoring is so good. And so clearly impactful when he is on that it's tough because, you know, there's enough highs to to latch on to, but enough lows to say, I got to choose between him or want to kill Alexander Walker, who might not have the crazy highs but is obviously very important

to maintaining a good defensive rotation I don't know especially when Rudy Gobert took a big step back this year in terms of athleticism he really really like you see the age cliff really hit him out of nowhere this year

after he's DPOY the previous year so if you know he's on the way out potentially do you want to lose even more front court depth long term with Nas Reid being gone that's one of the questions where when we talked about it on Tuesday I was like yeah Nas Reid you're out of here

but then also as as I've been thinking about it, you know coming back next year. Rob Dealingham is going to play a lot more. And there was times this year where he could have played and injuries just, you know, kind of kept him out. Also, your guy, Terran Shannon Jr., he showed that he can be a legitimate scoring piece. And so now if you have those two guys, no, look like a barista. He does. I don't know what you're talking about.

You guys talking about, oh, to me, bully, error. This is me. This is not a phase. Those two guys, if they're inserted into your lineup, especially with Rob Dehlehem, are you going to be able to play them? And if you get rid of Nozreed, just off of just pure size and height, be able to withstand that. So, like, you might have to keep nods reed just because you feel like we need 610, 611,

especially if Rob DeLanan is going to be on the floor of 10 and you're like, we're going to be one of the smallest teams if we get rid of, like, if Rudy is not out there and you have Nazaree gone and it's like, okay, this. This is getting scary. But then you have the idea of Conley, how he factored in that too. Because you have Gobert and you have Conley, as your one five, both on their way out. Gobert doesn't have to go now. He still has years of being capable.

It's just you saw a difference between 2024 and 2025. Conley's like, he can go. Like, he's like, you won't really. No, it's very much like, thank you for your service. Yeah. You've helped this team, for real, though. Like, you've helped this team grow. And especially when we have really, like, you saw the difference whenever they had Dilo.

and Rudy wasn't getting the ball and then you have Mike Connolly who can help Rudy offensively and do stuff like that So then you can enter an area where you can get rid of Mike Connolly and if you do that money-wise that could be how you afford to keep Alexander Walker and Nasreid but then you have a gaping call

a point guard and we've been saying and it needs a point guard next time you don't want to force him to be James Harden be your point guard let Anthony Edwards be a shooting guard so you can do that get rid of Conley but then you have even less playmaking help than you already have before so if you do that and maybe you got to trade DeVincenzo

plus assets for a point guard and you have on the bench you have Dillingham Alexander Walker, Shannon, Nas Reid, whoever else. Like that's probably the path forward now that I'm saying it out loud. That's probably what you got to do

but that's a lot, a lot, a lot of moving parts. Everything has to do with one another and like you can't, if you can't feasibly trade Mike Conley, you can't keep the two role players are free agents. And you can only trade Mike Connolly

if you can feasibly get another point guard. So like there's a cascady effect too have a lot of moving stuff. If that's the case, if they're looking at it through those lens, that means that they're already regretting, trading not only their pick

from 2024, but also a future pick to the Spurs in order to trade up for Rob Dillingham. Like that, he is supposed to be the answer. He might be. He could be. Yeah, it was your,

it's year one. At the very least, you need two point guards. A bench guy like Dillingham and a starter, so whichever level Dillingham can perform at in the coming years,

he gets a lot to one of those spots, but even if he is the bench guy, That's still useful. You know what you need. You need a mercenary. Chris Paul, welcome. Chris Paul, welcome to the Minnesota Tim Wolves. He at this point, he's just going from team to team, right?

It's like, oh, you need a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And for somebody who, if you know that, like, that, like, you know Dealingham is, is not traditional point guard. It's Mr. like, I'm Mr. Bagwood. That's, that's his game. If I'm just trying to get 15, 20 minutes of Chris Paul Maybe, but like I'm first Sorry, I'm gonna cut you off First I want to say how fucking dare you

As somebody who proclaims to like Chris Paul as a player How dare you? Do you want to put him in a spot To have to defend Chey Gildas Alexander In the conference finals next year You want him to get crucified on live At Big 39 years old God damn man

Is he going to Is he going to go to the east? Like who in the east? He's going to a lottery team and mentor Young Bungard again That man is past contributing to winning I don't know when I say he'll play conference finals basketball it'll be it'll be sad to his legacy he only got 10 minutes in the conference finals that's that's it I really just need him there

as an assistant comes that that's where he's that how do you guys feel about uh Nikkela alexander walker taking on that spot he's not a playmaker so I mean like if you want to do that you might as well start even chenzel he's a better point of attack defender and like have him guard point guards and just like go all in on aunt being your pseudo point guard offensively man but I don't really want to see that you can it's possible I don't want If things break a certain way and they can they can trade calmly, but they can't find a good point guard to replace them right away, but they can retain their bench players, you can do that. It just, it wouldn't be the best long term solution, but that could be a stop cap. Yeah. Whatever it is that they decide to do, if there's any team that I've had more faith in, it's as of late, the Minnesota Timberwolves, they've made every single correct move since the day they drafted Anthony Edwards.

And I haven't sat down and questioned them seriously as idiots or morons when it comes to. transactions that they made during the offseason. I had some moments. I had some moments. Turns out they won those wars. Exactly. But you're right. They won in the end.

The Randall move made sense. Yeah, so a good point. We should trust them. They'll figure it out. These are good scenarios to have, right? We're talking about a lot of outcomes that probably result in still having a good team around one of the best players in the league who's ascending. Angel this Randall who proved to be a well-fitting second star playing off of both Anthony

Edwards and Gobert. So they're in a good spot overall. There's obviously a lot of question marks, but no matter what answer they, come to, I think they'll be fine. Yeah. With that being said, the answer is Kevin Durant. Woo! The bride's been on the fucking wall.

Sorry, Julius Randall, I appreciate you for your services. I don't actually know they should, but that would be cool. I would be all for it from a fun perspective. I slipped that in there randomly a couple of months ago, and I'm like, yeah, man, this is something that it's written on the fucking wall all over the wall. I need it to happen. It's just so KD coded too as well. It would make sense.

It would feel right for that to be the next mercenary move. yeah if it was just loosely talking what do you giving up for some what has to be given up for katy's not a lot the candy really controls his destiny if he says i want to go to the timber wolves it's not going to cost a ton it'll probably cost randall for salary uh actually what did randall make i don't even know what the salary includes let's i'm sure they have some other guys in bond the bench they can include so those two and then young asset wise jada mcdaniel is gone no fuck no you're not sure james but maybe dillingham maybe terran chan one of those guys damn and then a pick or two yeah so like shannon randle and a couple picks

man if that had if they were to roll into the into next season with jane me daniels and rudy and what dante james or whatever supporting cast i gotta see the money maybe dante would have to be in that i'm not sure what the money all right so july's has a player option next year for essentially 31 million okay so june needs a lot more money to get a katy salary yeah katy makes like 55 or something right yeah jaden's probably fucking gone no i mean i think they're going to try to keep jaden just for

they want to win basketball games and de vincenzo next season essentially 12 million. So maybe what's Conley make? I'll figure it out. Whatever it takes that up and make Katie happen, it's going to fucking happen. Probably not. I would love this happen. That's one of my favorite Kevin Grant destinations,

potentially. What if, never mind. I'm just going to save this for office and talk. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll have plenty of time I'm talking about Kevin Rand trades. Okay. With that being said, we're half an hour in. We're going to get you.

We're going to finish hour one by talking about Knicks versus Pacers. And to do that, we're going to fast forward you guys until tonight. In about 10 seconds, we're going to flip until those things we record after this game. You're going to see Donovan's ISO start. His facial expression will tell you everything about how the game went. Donovan, what is your final prediction before we flip over to tonight? I'm going next by six.

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So once again, shout out to Coinbase for coming on to the show with us this episode. Let's get you right back to the show. All right, Donovan. How do you feel? Yes, I told you guys. Me, I feel great. You know, I feel much better today than I did the other day. I'll tell you that.

That's fair, understandable. Very fair. Very fair. Came up here, I told you guys, Nixon's 7. you guys thought it was coke it's just the script okay i understand understand i told you we didn't need to get three games at a time you have to go you have to get game one and all that is in front of us is game six saturday night in indiana you go and you get that you give yourself an opportunity that's all we did is give ourselves an opportunity and i mean listen here we are oh

the first game that somebody's actually won by double digits in this series happened by us put belt to ass today you know it is what it is you kind of got a jelan brunson 30 point game you know full point playing the garden it's okay we're here you guys are just here laughing just ha ha ha ha ha ha because you saw what went down you saw what happened shit okay it's going down again okay we're bringing another belt custom for every single indiana player on saturday are you going to indiana i'm not telling you my plan because i try to be a good teammate right the whole clip has been serviced. I try to be a good teammate

I try to text you guys early in the morning and be like, hey, what y'all think? And you used it against me on camera. I will never forgive you. So I'm not telling you what I'm doing. Well, like you guys see, we're recording this part. I guess I already told you guys. But we're recording this at night.

We just wrapped game four or game five of Nick Spacer's raw, fresh reactions. Like he has no we do every time. Yeah, yeah. Bring out the cameras now. Every time the Knicks lose, I want to turn it to Streamer University. I'm just getting this reaction just to make sure.

Now that we actually want to be, nobody wants to take a picture. Nobody wants to take any type of video. Shut up. All right, buddy. Oh, man. So, like you guys obviously know by now, you're watching this tomorrow or in the future, the Pacers lost this game. Off the heels of the worst Tyre's Hollywood performance.

It's so stupid. Off the heels. I'm proud of that one. Of the worst Tyreys Halliburian performance. the playoffs he had single digit points went ghost mode yeah about time because he's been god damn amazing so far today you know we got the other end of that we started to see some of the habits of whatever he's not super comfortable getting to that three point shot a lot of these scoring back and kind of disappear you know obviously if you take him out of his rhythm there's going to be downsides

of the way he conducts himself as a score tonight was one of those nights vintage jalen brunson game as always the most consistent score in the NBA playoffs yeah you just basically you saw the worst version of the Patriots offense is the first game in the entire playoffs. They did not score 100 points. Everything went wrong for them offensively. They got, I guess, you know, it was good defense in the next day. They locked them up. But it was just poor execution in a way we haven't seen from the Pacers's entire playoffs. If you're a Pacers fan, you're probably not worried yet, but you got your eye. He got your eye open. You said, okay, okay. One loss in the road. Okay. It's like, that's it. Yeah, if you're a pace fan, you're like, you know what? That's your one.

That's your one. You have to come back at home, close it out. But yeah, I, I, I, I, I don't know. The Knicks are still behind the Able. They still have. I mean, of course. Yeah, yeah. Like they, they, you feel better obviously because you're not, you're not eliminated. But it's still on them to show us they can do it again.

I'm not panicking about the Pacers yet. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we still expect them closes out at home if things go to plan. But you saw the blueprint. If they do not get a good offensive game, there's a world in which they can lose. It feels like a outlier game for the Indiana Pacers. We've never seen them play this bad before. Listening to their, looking at their starting lineup scoring. Aaron Neesmith, three points, only play 15 minutes.

Miles Turner, five points. Tyrese Halliborne, eight points. Andrew Nemhard, six points. Like, there. If the star is going to come out like that and just be flat all around, you have no chance and no hope at all of doing anything impressive. No, it wasn't flat. Your son, Benedict Mathron.

Listen, man, you guys called me a madman. They lost. Now we'll say, this is twice now, back-to-back games, that he's played well and it still didn't fucking matter. they lost. I don't know if I should feel good because, of course, I want to see the Knicks lose. Like, it just brings me another type of joy and passion. The sun just feels brighter. My skin is irradiating when this Knicks lose. But seeing better than Mathrim do good as well, makes me in the past feel happy. But yeah, yeah, that's fair. I will say, I do feel like, yes,

you're, you're right. Obviously, when you're down 3-1, you're going to be behind the A ball until you win the series. Like, that's no. We're tied up at least. Yeah. Yeah. the thing that did give me a lot of hope for tonight is that over the first four games the Indiana and their their pace was clearly getting to New York and it was calling so many just defensive miscues and at least tonight the defensive pressure the stuff that Indiana normally does from start to finish the nicks were able to go out and they were able to lock in for 48 minutes and they were able to be the ones that were the physical ones on defense they were able to avoid all of those defensive mistakes.

And it's also just good to see, like aside from like the moral, it is good to see a team win by double digits, right? And to show that you can be on the floor. The fact that they were down 3-1, everyone was kind of, and we kind of talked about it on what, Tuesday, today's Thursday? Yeah, after the last game, we were saying like, or Mo had mentioned, like, you know, they're kind of dismantling them. And I was kind of pushing back on the fact that Indiana was that much better than New York.

And the fact that they were able to come in today and win by such decisive margin, it's like, yes, there is a version of this team that is still really, really good. And the fact that you can at least see it in game five gives you hope that over the next two games, you can get some version of that. I think that the defensive pressure today was very clearly, like, very desperate, very, like we don't want to go home. I don't know if that's going to be easy to replicate for two months. It would be extremely hard, and the reason you don't see three-one comebacks because it's damn near impossible to replicate that.

Yeah. Not impossible, but it's very difficult. Like, this very well could be the Timberwolves blowing out the OKC Thunder by 30 points to not go down 3-0, or it could be the start of a run. You never know. Like, it's not uncommon to see a team win in this example. We literally just saw it in the same exact situation at home to avoid not elimination for the Timberwolves, but essentially elimination to go down 3-0.

So this is, this was in the cards. I think, I don't know what the betting lines were like. the Knicks were probably a favorite to win this game. Yeah, it was a four and a half. Yeah, so that's to be expected, but like you said, the nature in which they won. Mostly because, you know, when we talk about the mean dismantled, we were like joking about the verbiage of that on the stream, but they were beating the Knicks in like every category. Up and on the board, they had the better offense, the better defense.

They were winning the turnover battle. They were winning the, everything that matters. They were just slightly better in a lot of important ways. Obviously, a big part of that for the Pacers comes out of their shooting that they can just flood you from three and everything's built from there. That's the most encouraging part. You look at this box score, knee Smith, one for five. He was a brick from three.

That just was a bad knee Smith game. That happens. Tyree Talbot, O for two, Miles Turner, one for two. You limit their picking pop guys to two, three-point attempts each. They were not letting them get those walking to those threes. They were making them drive to the rim and they did a good job at shutting that down. That's like the most encouraging part by far of the next defense tonight. Yeah, I agree.

Now, with what we've seen tonight, obviously they have to go in there and do what they do on Saturday. how confident do you feel in the next making somewhat of a return to the series? Nobody does it. You know, we were talking before. Like, it's been five years since the 3-1 comeback. And I'm more inclined to think this is a Timberwolves blowing out

to the kill Oaksie Thunder situation than I am to think it's a 3-1 comeback just because of how decisive the first four games were in the Patriot's favor. Again, it wasn't gigantic margins, but they were winning all this goddamn margins. And because this is, you know, predictable that they'd win one at home

with the season online, I'm more inclined to think the Pacers close it out. but like Donovan said if it wasn't for a game one blunder this would be a completely different series it would be three two not even blunder if this wasn't for god tier shot making game one which you know

the patients are prone to do clearly more often they do it a fair amount of times even then game one was a different it was a different level of like of just canon of just like yeah like what's happening so if that weren't the case this would be a different series it would be tied up before today

and we'd be talking entirely differently right so I'm not going to say that nicks don't have a chance but i'm not going to count on it just because statistically it never fucking happens it's also we've also talked this much this is like game one was the erin neesmith game this is the landry shaman game why is it the larry shaman game for a guy who only had 10 point who only have five points landry shaman came in and provided such good defense tonight he was everywhere again he only hit two shots and it's it he was two for three one one of two from three. But it felt like he was everywhere. His, his activity defensively moving, moving around

on screen, staying in front of people, being able to be, you know, one of the first guys two loose balls and stuff like that. He was outstanding. And for a Knicks team that all season long, everybody, the number one thing is like, they don't, they don't have a, have a bench. Tibbs is not going to play so many guys. And since they've, you know, gone down and Tibbs has actually started to lean on Shamit and Delon Ride and stuff like that. You're trying to figure out if, who and if it's possible that anybody is going to be able to step up, you've seen Delon Wright step up in moments. Having Landry Sharman play like that gives you legitimate minutes going into game six

where you don't have to play Brunson in 46 minutes. You might not even have to play Kat a crazy amount of minutes. It might still happen. But you don't have to do it because you can still be out there with one big and still have enough shooting and playmaking and just enough of the other stuff from Shamit. He was he was amazing tonight. He was fantastic. And what's the what's it going to be the situation with this Pacer's backup center spot? Tony Bradley played five minutes and got hurt who you know he's only Bradley. It's like he's a gigantic swing factor, but he gave them from good minutes over the course of series because Thomas Bryant is like the worst big man defender in the NBA and they went away from him in favor of Tony Bradley in some of these games. as of past few games in the series

in which they won. He heard his hip five minutes to his stint in this game. If he's not going to be there and you have Thomas Bryant minutes again, that's, it's spook. Miles, sir, get ready to speak

46 minutes Saturday night. Hey, he was getting fried. I hope not. Like, he has not been able to contend with Kat. As a driver is kicking his ass. It's always, I mean, historically that's been the thing for him. Yeah, but you said that coming into the series.

Yeah, exactly. And Kat also, that's a good point to mention him we haven't said anything about him just yet he had a game he had a great game i mean outside of brunton he was the only one other than that giving the next consistent offense and consistent buckets whether it be just like running into the room and just throwing it up like he usually does or him i think he only hit like a three maybe two he didn't have a great shooting game this one for four from three yeah exactly but 10 for 20 from the field yeah exactly so his inside his inside presence was super loud and seeing how he's just continuously able to have his way

with whoever is in front of him, whether be Seaccom, whether it be Aaron E. Smith or Miles Turner is so viable. And if he's doing that on a night, tonight basis, then. Yeah. And the cat piece, especially because he was frying Miles Turner, you saw so many times in this game, they started ending the double towards Kat. And he has to do a better job of recognizing that the double is actually going to be there and to like anticipate it and, you know, to keep the, to keep the ball moving.

but that's that's you know to to both of your points of one miles turn has been bad and two of tony bradley's not there and either miles turn is going to get into foul trouble kind of like he did tonight or you just can't you just straight up can't guard him and you have to send more resources to car anthony towns that's going to be something that indiana is going to have to figure out like you're you're just going to have to either be able to legitimately force turnovers on cat which there were a couple times where the ball did start to get a little loose either do that that or say what Tibbs said to Kat and Brunson kind of in the last series, which is like, I'm going to just need you to be a man and play defense.

And like, we're just going to have to live with the results at that point. And yeah, and we'll see either way, Brunson and Kat had a good game. They've had good games in the series. It really just truly comes down to the Patriot's offense is going to be the deciding factor. Like they have not been locking up Brunson in the series. So him going off is not a surprise, right? It's really that they were not capable of contending with the shootout tonight. And that's kind of their MO is.

okay you know we don't have the best offensive person down the world we have a good defense we good fundamentals we have got significant hard we have guys like turner who do some stuff seachman's a good defender but we are not going to hold you to 80 points a game we are not the thunder we are going to just score more than you if they're not hitting their shots tonight they just kind of don't have a chance yeah so um this is this is going to be a very very interesting game six because the and it's weird because you've heard it all series long they They keep bringing it up how the Pacers, specifically Neesmith and Halliburn, have shot better on the road than at home. Hasn't felt like that.

Like, it felt like those games in Indiana, they were doing a pretty damn good job. Yeah. I wonder if that does come. You got this Yakum Hammer. I mean, listen, that was game two, which is ridiculous. But this game, the way that the Knicks were able to execute down the stretch and keep that lead, especially in the fourth quarter. because the one thing that Indiana has been able to do, and they were still very successful tonight,

finishing quarters has been massive for them, and it doesn't matter if the Knicks are up 10 or 12 with like three minutes to go in the quarter. Somehow Indiana just keeps ending these quarters on runs, and they go on like 7 to 2, 8 to 1 runs. And you look up and it's like a three-point game. They had two separate 8-1 and 8-0 runs in the second half and didn't get within 10.

That's some resiliency on the Knicks. Like, they just did not let, they had every reason for, like it to snowball and typical Pacers to come in. Next thing you know, you're blowing a 20 point lead, but they kept responding time in and timeout. One of those responses, like you said, was Landry-Shammat energy plays. One of them was cat going crazy. Like, just all around, just a very impressive game for the Knicks in ways that some stuff they've struggled in throughout the course of series. Super impressive, too, about this specific game is that they were able to pull away with a sizable lead. I think it was up to, what's the biggest lead they had?

Was it 21, I think. Yeah. And they did all this offensively without their, I don't know how to third, fourth scoring O'Donadovi. In general, he's been really good offensively this series. He's been in all types of corner threes. And I think for this series, he's been averaging like 17. He's been having 17 shooting. He was bad tonight, though. Him and, yeah. Him and Mikhail combined 1 of 10 from doing it. And it's impressive to see like, oh, wow, like you did all this without having a good, at least offensively scoring. zero lee changes in this game what the fuck

insane row it's written wow zero the change about damn time like please shout out to the bitch shout out to the bench again I hope it's a 3-1 comeback we were talking about this like it's been five years since the 3-1 comeback the last one was in the bubble and from 2015

to 2020 there was five I got so accustomed to that that in my mind it was just like yeah 3-1 comebacks happened it's modern NBA this in five years since we had one that's crazy five years I need it I would love for this to be three one comeback that would be the funniest outcome just because every it's always funny when everybody was like when everybody gets so comfortable assuming a finals matchup is going to happen

and everyone starts crowding it too early because you go through one you always win so everyone's like yo patience versus thunder so and so if that just gets slowly dismantled over the course of a week and all of that discourse is gone all the Tyrese Halliburton love that everybody including us has been showing if all they get snatched away because one week he's up shit new top 10 player hey he's in the finals they crown him and then now he's a choker like that that that whiplash is always hilarious that's the that's the yeah that's that's the swings of of the playoffs yeah in round one right we were having conversations of like yo where does kawai rank all time yeah that's true yo kawai is a dean yeah one good one good one good one good game where he had 39 and then after that they end up losing in seven and you're

like oh every game old clippers in the playoffs every every NBA fan at least on Twitter feels the need to make every single playoff game a referendum on the team at large like every time the thunder lose fraud is finally time kawai is one good game he's a good like and there's always something there's always a grand takeaway from every game tonight tyrus halliburton has 10 points i guarantee i go on twitter it'll be i told you all you all you was hyping him up too fast he doesn't have a bag like then game six he's going to close you guys out with another 30 point triple double and it's back to him being a god i like how you slipped it in there i know it just like either way whatever you go

it'll keep bouncing back and forth I don't know But with that being said I would love for this To end up in a 3-1 lead Like that just feels like We're due for one finally As much as I

Would love to see that as well Just because it's simply fucking fun I don't think that will be the case And I would predict The Indiana Indiana Yeah, I'll guarantee it You're getting fucking Mollywashed

Saturday night You're getting demolished I dare you to go to Indiana I dare you make the four hour drive Just to get your heart ripped out But you're not going to Indiana. First of all, it's only three hours. Second of all, I'm a grown-ass man.

You can't tell more of my feet. I'm like, go. You're going to get your heart snatched. You're going to, I think they're going to demoralize you to the point where you might give up your next fandom. Man. I think you might say you're not going to be a Knicks fan as long as Kat is on the team. We've been through all of that before. And we're here.

We're still standing. I think Saturday night would be the worst day of your life. I don't know. Game one was pretty tough. Game one. was one of the five worst nights as a nickname. It was awful. It was not having been through a lot of turmoil.

This was the worst against. Yeah, like, given the stakes, I remember after we went 17 and 65, and we had, like, we had the best odds to get the number one pick, and then we ended up dropping the four, and that was the year we got Porzingis. That was tough.

And then all year, we were supposed to get Katie and Kyrie, and then she was in Brooklyn and then they went to Brooklyn and then 30 minutes later it was like Julius Randon has signed a three deal and I was like no they went with Zion Williamson

for draft odds or whatever and you guys' faces too that's hilarious yeah Audrey Barrett yeah the dream that the dream that year was supposed to be Katie Kyrie and Zion

and we ended up with Julius Randall we'll come first the lottery came before free agency right do you think if they would have got Zion Katie and Kyrie would have picked the Knicks no i don't think maybe it would i mean it would have been a better situation zay don't swing some shit zion was like cooper flag like if you get cooper flag out of nowhere that makes you more like

want to sign somewhere maybe i don't know but also from the way and again maybe zion does flip it but from the way katy has talked about the nix it feels very like deep rooter of like yeah like i don't like the way that they operate so i'm just not going to go there so it probably And I think he liked the like, I'm going to be in New York in the shadows of the Nets after the Warriors experience. So that's probably part of it. Makes sense. It makes sense.

Okay. So 1 to 10, Donovan, how confident are you at the next make this comeback? The comeback? Nine. Win the series? Nine. So you're 90% certain they're going to win this series? Yeah, I just needed one game.

Like, that was the only thing that I, I, that was the only thing I really needed. I needed them to show me something they did. And it wasn't, and the fact that it happened the way that it did tonight with a big. with the big blowout win with great defense yeah I'm like you know what that's in there the dog is still in there that's all I needed you saw the ball goes to the hoop you know what I like the points that you dropped thrown out there earlier especially when it comes to the type of defense how they jumped out on a lot of the Tyrese haliburton and Andrew M.R. 3s they weren't able to get that shut off as usual and there

wasn't there was just so much like blockages for Tyrese Hallibur and the lanes that he usually has just wasn't there whether be passing wise or even like the anger or cutting lanes that he used. two as well so i like i like that for those reasons the delusion is in there diluted a bit i can i can rock the two on that i'm not i'm not really again we just have to get one game and that's it i'm not worried about games it's it's literally only about game six right now i wish i had more to say about this game but like like it's three one they got one it's almost like uninteresting until they get at least one more and because the nature of the

patient is just having their worst offensive game for a team that does not often have bad offensive games it's like all we can do is wait and see what happens on Saturday yeah yeah it's gonna be magical yeah like I'm sure I'm sure by tomorrow again this is a live reaction I'm sure I'll have more thoughts tomorrow but like as of now I'm like okay do it again like time to see like I guess and we will you might yeah yeah just you got to do it so many times consecutively that I'm like okay not gonna react it so game seven was to happen it will be Monday night oh thank God this game didn't end tonight because I realized we'd have a week off of basketball

yeah that's such a long break And we already did, we already did like the Thunder coordination stuff. Yeah. So it's like, all right. And like the whole world thinks that either way this goes, the Thunder are going to beat the fuck out of either of these Eastern Conference teams. No offense. So it would just be like a week to finally get to it.

I know how they think. Yeah. So like it would just be like so long to like have like almost feeling predetermined outcome. Yeah. That would be annoying. Yeah. So listen, just for the sake of entertainment purposes, the next we will put the league on our back. We will go ahead tonight

Shout out to Zach Zarba You know what I'm saying You did your job You actually called the fouls that were the fouls We did what we had to do And we're good I will say It was like a 16 point game

With like four minutes left I started getting like PTSD Your asses up with hand on your knees And I understand you too Yeah After Hand on his knees We're like

But like Come on Come on It's late Let's go dropping down again as you go on for Landry shammer with that being said

nasty guy that's the end of this reaction of the video let's get you back to the main hour two of the show Nixon seven Nixon seven apparently doubt it I hope so Nixon seven and nine

for content purposes all the stuff y'all were saying all right let's get on to hour two of the show and let's let you guys hear our ranking of our top 25 most fun players to watch in the NBA And we are back to earlier in the day for our two of the show, block number two, the main thing you guys see in the title,

what you're here for, we are going to rank the most fun to watch NBA players in the league this year. This is, you know, we're going to do like a typical TD-3 rankings episode. We're going to rank the top 25 of the most fun players, revealing it to you guys, tier by tier, TEC, each of our individual list in full. And this is by far the most subjective one. I told you guys, do whatever fun means to you. The way I did it is I ranked it based on how much I enjoyed watching.

watching them this season. So strictly my own personal enjoyment level, which obviously is very different from yours and years and years and yours and anybody else's. We're all watching for different things. These are going to be the most uniquely tailored to us list we could possibly imagine. This are here will tell me exactly what type of person you guys are. And I didn't hold back from that. I didn't, I didn't even sometimes I'll try to talk about stuff like this. I'll be like, people love watching job. Well, watching so-and-so, these high flyers. I didn't put a single bit of outside influence into my list. Straight what I enjoy watching. And so I figured you know we'll talk about our difference in perceptions of basketball okay let's do it

was it's gonna do i assume you guys are the same yeah i mean it's for me personally it's strictly about when i see the list of games on for that night on it on the NBA app what game am i more likely or player am i more likely to want to key into and this list will reflect that yeah for me it's a combination of like how how much fun are you at at your peak like when you're when you're having one of those games how high and then also over the course of a of a season how many times like you am I actually going to like want to tune in like from the start of the game yeah from that I should say this graphics as players I forgot we did most fun stars to watch so only caveat is you have to be star players so you guys might say where is insert ex role player who's incredibly

fun these are only stars because obviously we're inspired this conversation by the shade go to Alexander discourse and people saying he's great but not fun to watch whatever that's really what birthed this so these 25 players will all be star level at least yeah exactly now to show me what type of fun you guys are into and you guys will clearly see you're okay first off who goes up first me first five at 25 i have edvin mowgli at 24 i have devon booker 23 palo ban caro 22 trey young 21 anthony davis wow this is all based off this year So that's why Anthony Davis is pretty low For someone you know I love Anthony Davis

He played Power Forward now with the Mavs I do not like watching Anthony Davis He plays Power Forward. I despise it Because he's a goddamn center And he moves like a center these days He shoots like a center these days And I know he wants to be Power Forward His offensive game is so much more fun to watch

When he's attacking fives Rather than trying to do these like Slow big post-ups shooting over smaller defenders I don't like that element of it And obviously he got hurt when he got to the Mavs And he came back later in the year looking like a shell of himself. So I thought I probably factored into it a little bit.

But even then, it's not like Anthony Davis is the most fun guy in the world. Man, if we're talking about 2017, 2018, Anthony Davis. Oh, a different level. Good God, he's like top three in this bitch, bro. The way he moved with the ball of his hands was outrageous. Yeah. And he's still just as good of a player,

but it's not quite as fun with a new approach. Yeah. That's fair. The biggest thing to me right here, you put the mid-range merchants at the bottom of your list. Surprise, surprise. And Booker and Paolo. Yeah, Booker, I also love Devin Booker.

Man, he's been on the suns the past two years playing point guard, essentially. It's been disgusting. Especially this year, early season, Devin Booker. Remember how we were talking about him? We were like, yo, is he washed? Why is he, like, significantly worse for a long stretch of the season? He turned it on towards the end of the season. Started to look more like Devin Booker, but most of this year was rough.

That's been accounted for. And he's obviously just been playing out of position, which I don't hold against guys too much. But it's been a long time, and I haven't had an enjoyable time watching the suns quite a while. Okay. That's like, yeah, I can't,

I can't really knock booker too much for that just because that whole situation was trash. Which is why he's still in the list. Yeah. There's nothing about the Suns

has been top 25 worthy, but he's so good that the talent level still gets in top 25th. The Suns as a whole is like, I saw him on the schedule. I was like, I'm not watching it.

I just, I don't want to waste two hours of my life watching that. Some teams like, you know, obviously we got to watch every team to like do with your diligence. Sometimes that shit feels like homework

and the Sun's nickname for the season should be homework. Yeah. Yeah, I agree I literally Mowbly, Mowgli Lookie, Moby should be higher I like watching Moby way more

than Pallow this year I love watching Mowgli's defense I love it DPOI I just put Pallow at 23 above Mowgli in Booker Just because those spike games When he goes Berserk are so fun Yeah

But all the games in between Are not fun for me at all I fucking hate watching The bad Palo Van Carole games He has one of the biggest goals right now In fun level between when he's on And when he's off Massively different quality

of basketball he plays sometimes That when he's on when he's off conversation directly applies to someone like trey young as well which i can understand why he's at 22 but when he's on shit it it it outweighs off from you say that it's been a while since we had a lot of vintage tray young on as a score of games it's been it's been quite a while you know this year he hasn't he didn't have the greatest year of course efficiency wise is one of the worst of his career probably the worst actually and there's a lot of things happening with the team you know there's dysfunction and shit happening but through

all that the passing is ridiculous to me so and he's he's been the assist leader for i guess like two or three two years now straight yeah and seeing how he's been able to okay again it's infiltrating to see infuriating to see him get consistently blocked at the fucking rim like how he does it sucks to see the jump shot decline but still seeing the way he's able to get to his spots and just dance on any defense that you see throwing at him and like dime it up through any area of the court It's still so unbelievable. That's the key thing here on my list. I do not watching guys dance.

I don't like, I do not enjoy watching guys dance that does not lead to anything good. I hate watching a motherfucker dance and dribble a lot when it leads to a bunch of bullshit scoring wise. I hate that. I hate that. This guy has no footwork.

If you're going to have that shit, it better lead to something. Otherwise you're wasting movement. That's why Palo's at 23 and Treon's 22. He don't be booping and bobping. He doesn't. Word of Baron Davis. Like you said,

I hate watching him as a finisher. And obviously when the three-point shot is falling, Trae Young is exhilarating the watch. but wasn't the strongest years of scores. Knocking a guy down over-wasted movement, the most nerd thing you've ever said. I hate it. Well, really what I mean by that is I'm knocking him down

for shooting like 48% on layups for strong for long parts of the season. So like if it's a lot of movement and then it's a fucking block at the room, I'm not going to have fun. Look, man, when it comes to the top of fun I'm into, I'm not thinking about winning or losing. What's the entertainment factor?

I'm seeing them move like that, seeing them pass like that, seeing them take audacious threes from the three point, from the slow. You got it, man. Go in or out, don't matter. You're taking it? I'm like, what the fuck?

That was so crazy. You're raising my blood pressure? Hey, man. That's the thing. I'm moved. I'm entertained by good basketball, not flashy basketball. That's a difference in like, I, I just like, I can't help. I can't turn my brain off and I'm watching Tray Young.

So, like, it's very rare that I'm, like, not noticing that these are terrible floater attempts. I can't, like, I can't, like, ignore it. So, like, that's why, like, I hop up a guy like, Shay. I'm like, so efficient. Look at that. So efficient. He's getting to it.

I lost to turn my soul. Yeah, I know. I told you, I did not shy away from any of the nerd tendencies in this list. This will be a nerdy-ass list. You're not invited to the party. At least I didn't put, I didn't put Rudy Gaubert on here. If this was last year, if I was worried about that. If I was last, if this was last season, I would have put Gaubert at 25.

Oh, man. But he fell off pretty physically this year. Okay, let's see who's next. Mo, who is your first five? Ooh, so at 25, I got Tyrese, 24, Dearned Fox. 23. I got J-Dub. 22 when he's healthy and he's on. Kawai and 21, I got Jason Tatum. Okay. Speed merchants at the bottom. Yeah. Got it. You do have to give him a little bit of love.

I see. Tatum at 21 is a little bit interesting. But I guess I can, I can get it. Like, we're not Tatum all the time for being like boring and stuff like that. So I get that. Tatum is the most interesting when I was curious where we're all going to put him. Like, I kind of felt like I might have put him the lowest. I did not. Yeah, exactly. For me, I wanted to put Tatum high. but I noticed some of my tendencies and I continuously kept on bumping him down alongside a few other players

but seeing how just big he is and how he's just everywhere on the core he just is constantly showing up on the screen doing something important whether it be like getting up and grabbing ferocious rebounds guarding fours and fives at times playmaking the playmaking lead

that he took this season as well and also last season and seeing him have the ability to still dance and get to his shot as well hey man it's 21 for me This is going to be a fun list because the bottom four guys in your list are not on my list at all. Really? No Deerrin Fox.

Jadab is so fun to watch to me. Yeah, I could have put Jadab on there. If I had thought about it more, maybe he would have made it on there. But I don't feel horrible by putting Jada up with like 26 or 27. That feels fine to me just because the nature of his game. Like, he's an amazing player, doesn't have first option usage, isn't a rim protector, doesn't do any of the flashy, fun stuff like that. So I'm not feeling bad about that.

No flashier fun stuff for Jadub. I feel the complete opposite. No, you're right, you're right. the passing lanes, the defense is flashing. So, again, I didn't think about him much. I kind of forgot about him, but I don't feel bad about that. Kauai is an interesting one. Why did he make your list when he's obviously so up and down?

We're talking about dancing, the dancing leap that he took, man, the handles. But Kauai is also the best combination of both of y'all, where it's like, Kauai is not wasting movements. He's not doing that. And whenever you do have a good Kauai game, it's very much spot, one dribble pull-up, twing, boom. And it might just be one-tween. It might just be tween pull and you're right there.

And so I like, I don't know, Kauai, you watch him and there's times where you just get, like, frustrated because of all of the injuries and all the stuff that is happening. You're like, I just wish that he was healthy for an extended period of time to where I could have seen him at his best for a little bit longer. But I can, I can understand why, especially because this version of Kauai isn't Pete Kauai. 2017 kawai true that's that's different right when he's when he can take over a game defensively and not even score and just you know get three steals on three consecutive possessions and you look up and like oh yeah the game's over like that's that's that's peak kawai peak kawai for me peak kawai would have been like four on this list for me 2020 kawai when he was a playmaker when he had the strength as a score the shooting was

obviously in rhythm all the time the defense was still really smart he probably would have been like fourth or fifth yeah yeah but these days i don't think about him really much. He wasn't on my list. Yeah, I understandable. RIP. Darren Fox is a fun one. He'll get back on my list. He just, like, wasn't fun this year. Yeah. He was hurt. Obviously, the Kings were not fun. He came back. I heard immediately for the Spurs. Pinky was crazy. Yeah. And, like, he shoots a lot more than he slashes now. So that also limits the fun that we once had from the Aaron Fox. I guess he came getting back on here, though. Yeah, I can, I can assume him being back on your list next year. This year was weird because of all

the things that we said when it comes to him being traded, the Kings being just so eh, him having the pinky injury and just not being able to shoot the same all that although he was resilient to like get make that a big point and part of his game but still like when he gets to the when he decides to get to the rim the way that he's been he's elevated a shooter over the last few years although this wasn't the year for him I still have very key moments in my brain that I remember from this season where I'm just like yeah he's still very much that guy and I love seeing him play same thing for Tyrese max as well of course he had an injury ruled season we saw him like forced him, pushed as the number one guy.

We all know that he is not that guy. But if there's one thing that he is, he's a fucking speed demon, just like Darren Fox and when he gets to, he gets to it. I should have put a chat on my list. I'm thinking about it. Well, for just this year. Yeah. Donovan, who is your first five?

At 25, right, we're going 25 to 21? Sure. All right. Listen, people get mad at us. I forget which way we're going. At 25, Lamello, 24, Tyrese, 23, Chet, 22, Damon Lillard, and at 21-Av-Av-F-Qua. Oh, so you did put Chet?

Okay, yeah. I should have put Chet. Again, this is at their peak. And we saw 10 games of Chet at his peak and out like this is different. Like this is, this is legitimately not only like winning basketball and impactful, you're 7-3 moving the way that you do. You always say 7-3. Bro.

He's 7-5. Like, it's crazy. He's different. Hey, man, 6-11, 7-foot. To beat 8-9 and shoot from the outside the way that he does to also just, to carry himself the way that it does. It's very funny. And so I do like watching chat.

Did he get an ox tail bump? This, I do like the oxtails. The oxtails be hitting. Okay, you have quiet on there as well, interesting. You have Maxie as well. You got Lamello. You haven't seen Lamello on any of these lists yet? That's the biggest glaring hole at 25, man.

Wow. So you think he has him too low? I'm not going to reveal my list just yet, but I will say it's very different from that. At his peak, yeah, at his peak, yeah, at his peak, Lamello is very much like, No, this is, this is fun. And it's very, it's also very nostalgic because I feel like, I feel like we've watched

Lamello like gross since he was like 14, like playing overseas and, you know, like high school stuff. And so the clips that you would see where he's like scoring 92 in high school and stuff, when he's on, it very much does feel like that. And so there's a part of my mind where I'm like, I mean, at the end of the day, we're just doing this on a random Tuesday and Sharman. It doesn't really mean anything. But it is still really cool when he starts to go on.

We could have did top 35. I'm not sure I would put Lamello on my list. Ooh. The second half of this year made me turn so hard on him Lamello on an enjoyment level. Not on a player level because obviously his situation was terrible. We think he could be better. Obviously, he isn't in basketball hell. Just talk to him like to get traded because it's best for everybody.

I'm not out on Lamello like as a player that he can never be good. But I'm so out on Lamello in terms of me enjoying watching his ass this year. Wow. That second half of the season was the most bullshit basketball I've ever seen in my life. Obviously the start when he was averaging 30 making all these crazy. shots it was like whoa star leap he got hurt came back shell of that production wise and when that fine line of these shots are going in with this play style then they're not nearly as much that shit is hideous to me i hate watching that this is really again a charlotte hornet's problem more than his

the mellow problem because the organization of the offense was atrocious he had no help so he had to shot chuck but man did he take every bit of shot chucking liberty that that coaching staff awarded him and he ran it into the dirt i hated watching that and that for me some some guys get a little bit of a bump because it's like you know what I'm here for the attempt yeah I'm here you are clearly the only one on your team that has any type of like beat your talent and above let me see what you can do right let me let me let me just show you he showed you can do and that's what that's what I'm saying so I like I do I do appreciate that because there also is that the again another like nostalgic piece where it's like put the team on

your back let me let me see you see if you could score 35 today yeah like I didn't understand that in like playoff basketball with a physical elimination game well they again they suck and you have nothing to play yeah i'm with you i also don't think that just in general i think it's very hard to build around somebody like lamello if this was you know who are we trying to start a franchise with that's a different conversation but if it's just i hear fun equals very close to bag no no no you're right little it was obviously and so it's like hey show show me the bag show me what you can do and it's on display most people probably put lamello like 15 or so like he'd probably rank highly in a consensus it's similar to the thing like

I've grown a great just from watching so many games and having to see it like I had to have very little tolerance for enjoying bad basketball and I've gotten such a distaste in my mouth when I have to watch first option guys that get first option usage or even in the mellow case more than first option usage like the peak usage in the league and they don't need that and bjames hard than you see yeah and they don't need that at all and it does not lead like it's not in line with their talents they just got to chuck because nobody else is there for it I hate watching, like, I don't say undeserving because Lamella's good, but like disproportionate usage that leads to just like ineffective basketball, can't stand it. I can understand that for sure.

It's going to be like that somewhere in the league. Yeah, somebody has to do it. Every year, every year, yeah, there's guys like that. Like, during Tray Young's rookie year, he was very much playing lamella ball style basketball. And over like the last few years, like we said, there's always someone going to be, there's always going to be someone like that. But with Lamello, why he's surprise, surprise, he made my list and he's a little bit higher. the audacity to just try certain things is fucking crazy just how often he's able to just like get to whatever spots and do moves that no one's really like seen before you know i want to say seen before because everything's been everything's happened out there on the basketball but just seeing how he's just willing to just have the green slice of all green and continue to like try random shit whether we we didn't see too much like insane passing this year but it's still there but the the scoring and how he's been getting it

and being able to get to certain spots for me, person is why he's like highly ranked on this list. It's just strictly entertaining. He would all say, if he gets straight into the clippers and plays with Tyler Lou, I bet he'll make top 15 on my list next year.

He needs to be nudging the right direction and I'll really love it. Yeah, I'm not focused too much on the outcome. You need some brain rob basketball in your life. What's happening exactly? I'm just focused on like, yo, how do you get to it?

I don't know how you divorce it. I hate watching that many of shots. I understand it. but also at the same time too there's no one else doing this it's so rare yeah again thank god okay so and maybe you feel this this way too but the way that you're looking at like individual players i look at it as the whole team so it's like the sons i hate watching them i'm gonna leave here with something the hornet you guys are awful you have to be able to find certain things that you can be either be happy about when you're watching

watching all these games of a whole bunch of these trash teams. It's the middle of February. You're like, I'm going to do it. I don't want to be completely miserable for two hours. What can I point and, like, figure out what's fun? Lamello on the Hornets is the thing where every time you watch, he's the only one who I'm like, hey, you know, show me something. And then obviously you focus on that and then other people start to show up and pop up.

But like, that's the one that like pops out as you're watching these teams suck for six months. And most don't I'm with you. I feel that way by Lamello at first half of last year. I just wish I felt the way second half of last year. The second half of last year was an abomination. It was different. Yeah, exactly. But normally I'm with you.

Normally I'm with you. Okay. Next year, Donovan, who is your 20 through 16? At 20, I have K, at 19, I have John Morant, 18, Devon Booker, 17, I have Zion. And at 16, I have a men Thompson. Wow. Okay. I didn't think about a man Thompson.

Okay. I guess because it's not a star, but I'll allow it. It's not crazy. He has that potential, so that's fair. Yeah. Listen, if you have two to three, weeks in the NBA season, where you are going crazy, start. Everybody is, the word star is so thrown around and everybody is able to get that.

I will give him also, it's my list. I don't give a damn thing. So, yeah, I'm putting it. Fair enough. I only filtered it by all stars. If I didn't do that, a men would also be on my list. So I respect the pick fully. Yeah.

John Morant and 19, K'd at 20. I feel like that'd be controversial to people. Why are they so low? Or is it not for the low to you? No, I don't, well, I know that in like, I guess like general discourse, yeah, like John's probably going to be higher for a lot of other people. Jaws, Jaws cool. He'd be flying, right? He does that.

But there's, there's also some stuff that that seeps in with, with Jai where two years ago when he was at the peak of his powers and you're just like waiting for him to be legitimately. I think there were times where we probably ranked him as like. the 13th to 12 you know yeah he was very much in that conversation and so there's times where I'm watching him and certain areas of his game hasn't grown as much as you would like

and so it's a little bit of disdain but when Jai's on it's like it's still very right so what I'm hearing is you feel the same way about Jai that I feel about Lamella or it's like you're holding what could be against him no with Lamello I don't know if that's there at all I don't like I don't

So you're just here for the show You don't have the expectation of the Mello Yeah okay I think I've I've divorced Gotcha okay Yeah I think I've divorced But for Jai That makes sense

Because I have not I'm frustrated by the Mello Whereas you're like This is who he is It's fun No yeah I'm fully there With Jha I still think that there's a little

I'm getting to the point Where I don't know If that's there at all But especially this last season There was still a little bit Of me watching him I'm like

It's somewhere in there and you can be the guy you can be this i just i need you to get from entertainment perspective john morant's PR got massively saved by the post taylor jenkins games when he was hitting going back to pick and roll entertainment value flew through the roof for that last part of the season yeah i mean like he was doing all the fun things that you like to see all the crazy dunks the crazy finishes he even had like a the fucking viral set new celebration with the grenade thing that every aAU player and he just has a certain like X factor fun

in the in our culture which sets him apart from everyone else in my mind also on top of you know his um his play style shit you know it's hard as hell bro like there's no other player in the league in that shit for the coach like there's no other player who's like as

in touch who's as in touch while also being able to like perform at that level on this list at all. I should have factored in the grenade celebration more. That was a big fun moment for me this season. I love that whole saga. That's a level of fun that just isn't accounted for on the basketball court in terms of how effective it is.

That's just like shit that you pull out of your ass. And that's fun. It's another wrinkle of the game that's what people love to see. Booker Morant, an interesting trio of like all being next to each other what why is booker over moran kade why did he still get that rep i just think he's better than them and so like there's he's he's better than them do you think people agree with that do you think people still are going to rank booker about kade no i don't i don't think people should that right yeah in terms of like who's better yeah

oh booker's still better right yeah i think booker's still clearly better for sure yeah i i think i think i would yeah i would say that i feel pretty comfortable about it but yeah i just think that he's better than him he also has a very very nice like mid-range game that I that I appreciate and if if Booker if Booker was in a better situation then he would probably be top 15 for me yeah but it's also the same thing that that you said where the suns just aren't fun and there are so little moments where he's even on yeah that I have to drop him a little bit he has not the silver linings in quite a while yeah okay next up Mo who is your 20 through 16 at 20 I got draymond green that's the type of fun

I'm into, man. I'm not necessarily, I'm not necessarily into it for the points. I love seeing the defense and I was able to switch. But, hey, when he's not on the court, bro, do you know, brother? Wait, wait, say your hold on. 20, I got Draymond Green, 19, Jalen Brunson, 18, Shay, 17 D Mitch, and 16 to call it. You did like three top 10 players in 16. This is the type of fun that I'm into, bro.

I know you were a yokech guy, though. I love Yolkich. You marginally enjoy watching Yokic and Shea more than Dremon? Absolutely. Like, when it comes to bullshit, which is obviously what I'm into, bro. I'm not only watching the NBA

for strictly basketball. I don't give a fuck how nice your footwork is. I don't give a fuck how cool these passes are. Dremont can, Dremont here, man. This is a type of fun. This is a type of fun. You can't duplicate that, bro.

He's truly a generational player in terms of, he's truly a generational player in terms of, yo, bro, you got the, you're going to walk out of here with a new meme. You're going to walk out of here with the most brainbreaking plays. You're going to ask yourself, I can't believe he did that at the end of the night, almost every other night that you see him play. For Christmas one year, Mo got the 128 pack creolas in the back at the pencil sharpener. He ripped the bitch out, said, don't need it. I'm going to town in his mullers. now obviously yokech being there is jarring and it's it's outrageous i can understand that i can understand that

but it's just about it's not about yokech and like my disdain towards watching because i don't have anything like that same thing also applies to shea it's just about who's ahead of those guys and what i'm like what i tend to make my mind just get that dose of that relief you know you're legitimately trying to be on crack and just be like I just need that dopamine hit bro exactly Yokic tends to not give me that

every time I watch him I'm just like bro he's like I'm always trying to figure out how he's so good how is you're an ore merchant and you put Shade 18 you're talking about all that or shit with John Moran's

it's Shay you put him 18 I I so when it comes to Shay he's also very much fun as well he's on this list it's again it's not about

him as a player like I can't deduce the type of fun that he's that he provides the footwork is insane how he's been able to get to the rim like no other player in the league today is so unique but in terms of the fun that I'm I'm into he's just like he's not the archetype of player that I naturally let's call a spade he's not Dylan Brooks Dylan Brooks I wish Dylan Brooks would have made this list but I kept the stars on me well call Andreem on a star in 25 is a bit generous but I mean he He was almost DPOI. Sure.

Listen, if a man's on here, we'll allow Dremont. That's, that's a fair reach. Absolutely. My 20 through 16, at 20, I got Darius Garland, 19, Damien Lillard, 18 Kevin Durant, 17 Jason Tatum, 16 K cutting him. Okay. No, no Darius Garland on your list. You guys can put him on you? Um, not the- He's on my list.

He's on my list. I'm a big Darius Garland guy. He's fast as hell, simply put. And he uses that speed in a lot of effective ways, and that is incredibly fun to watch. He is outrageously quick when he's on the way that leads a playmaking, the way the jump shot goes with it. He just moves at a speed that most guards don't move at right now. Yeah, exactly. I agree with you.

I said the other day on a TD3 stream on Tuesdays, tap the fuck in. He is so total reliant as a player. And there's not a lot of players like that, bro. The way he just like tap dances anytime he sees a defender, he just sees straight red, bro. And seeing how he's able to zip passes through certain spots on the court, that's shouldn't be able to happen he makes it happen so i like seeing that and also of course the jump the jump shooting is outrageous lillard's at 19 i want lillard to be a lot higher but just because of the lackluster era it's been with the bucks we haven't quite gotten the amount of like explosion games from

him that happened so he hasn't been quite as fun as he was on the trailblazers and i left room that maybe that's because he's getting older too i put that kind of bait that in a little bit when lillard is on it's one of the most fun experiences you're ever going to see yeah like it was only rivaled by Steph Curry in terms of the crazy three point shot making when he hits like those 70 point games those crazy playing explosions those crazy I mean playing um bubble explosions all this stuff we saw over the years no it's iconic some of the most fun basketball moments of our lifetimes yeah i agree i think my my vision was just a little bit foggy when it comes to lure because i cannot watch the milwaukee bucks not irritated i left watching them like oh my god yonness is insane

but also at the same time too i'm like why the fuck aren't they working together as much as they So why are they running these types of sets? They're just not. And that's why he's 19 and not like 11. So this is quite a jump fall off for Lillard in terms of my enjoyment levels. I have utmost Lillard appreciation. So maybe I'm doing a little bit too much glaze still. Maybe some people would take him out of the top 30 by now.

But even he still has good games on the Bucks. So those spike games still carry me. KD at 18? Too low. Yeah. Really? It's too low. Really?

At this age? It's too low. He's fucking old. I don't know. I mean, maybe it's also Phoenix Sunsacks. Maybe if he goes to Timberwolves and it's, and is in a better team environment

I would enjoy watching them more but it's just been a couple years now of cool buckets that lead to nothing and drive nothing because the team... Yeah, like your, and again, like your list was more like watching them this year

and my one was more like when you're at your peak so I think, yeah, I'm actually like the power rankings like the fun power rankings as of today and I mean for a lot of teams I don't ding just the team against them

but like the team is Booker Durant Beal they're the end all be all and that shit is not fun So, like, I understand that they shouldn't be the end-all B-all, so that's why the team is bad. And that's why they, like, I'm not dingy to rant on our, like, player rankings and how good he is. But it's not fun. And he's not necessarily saving the fun factor for me.

So what makes K. More fun to you? Oh, or attacks for sure. Or he yells a lot. He yells a lot. He's big. He just those flashy passes. Or attacks, 100%.

He just moves cool. The weight of dribble is just cool. Like, this is like, this is like, this is like, yeah, he just moves with the aura on the court that is like, like the same way that people praise Lamello and put him up there because he moves so shifty, so different. That's Cade, but he's beaten there right now, damn. But that's Cade, but he actually leads his team to playoffs. So

you get the coolness, but it's actually good basketball. You know, she took an all-star leap, and it actually isn't an abomination to watch. It's been incredibly fun. A good passer that's also a good one-on-one bucket-getter that also has flashy dribbling. Of course it's going to be a fun player to watch. Yeah. I didn't really want to put Dremont even higher on my

it's like every time I watch the Warriors play. More attacks. You're walking away, like, what the fuck that I just watch? It's like a top 10 movie of all time. It's like you're not, you will never see a player who just has such a catalog of the most insane, offensive. Also, physical, destructive plays that you've seen in your damn life, bro. He literally, he, he made Steph Curry cry, bro.

Steph Curry is the most like silent assassin. One of the more, actually, I'm lying like shit. That's what I'm not. People say that. And people have been saying this since 2015, like, oh, Steph, he's just so quiet. He's a jackass. He's a jackass. No, he is not.

Yeah, I completely disagree. The Dremont stuff is, see, you're messing with my goat's legacy. Yeah. Wait, why? Huh? Because you're out here, you're out here, kicking people, choking people out, getting ejected, relax. Steph needs you for a defense and you're out here messing it up.

Stop playing around. Seeing him just lock in. Air shake somebody, bro. It's crazy as hell Every time you're gonna be walking out the game Like what did I just watch It's like a fantastic 10 out of 10 movie bro That's what the Dreamon green is

A few years ago Dremont would have for sure been on my list But the offense is not fun these days The offense is fun levels Dormatically lower than the once was But Prime Dreammon is certainly a top point Don't get a fuck about the offense man Look at what he's doing What it costs to the defense bro

Look how he's assaulting people Yeah Tatum I got a 17 Mo you said I'm at 21 Dominus and said He's higher Yeah I don't know I feel like maybe I should put Tatum higher I appreciate the shit out of Tatum

but there's 15 like exhilar rating players to watch and Tatum is not that so he's like I would say the top 15 is probably when we get to like really fun so Tatum's like just a little bit below really fun yeah I agree with you that's he's roughly in similar range for me too there's just not a lot of players at his size and his height and his just the skillfulness that has the ability to do what he does at the top of the top in the league who's gonna be his top 10 The fact that Yeah I don't know

It's just gonna be Bronn five times And they're Bronn Bronny Phanasas Okay let's move on To the top 15

Most fun players I can definitely See Panas being on his limit If he was still in the league I would see it No man

He's in a football Stephen Adams I'm not that disgusting Sangoon Okay Mo who's your 15 through 11 15

I have Tyrese Halliburton 14 I got KD 13 Darius Garland 12 Kyrie Irving

and 11 Tray Young. Tray Young, outside the top 10 is, I'm not going to lie, is a little bit surprising. Because he's the Hawksman? Yeah. Yeah.

I can agree with that. If you're really about your glazing, you would have put him one. Okay. You're getting soft on us. Listen, I will say, how can I put him top 10 when my life has gone better

not watching the Atlanta Hawks? See, you're realizing something. See the light. Exactly. Exactly. I'm not seeing the light. I'm just like organization wise. It's hard to have as much.

You want to trade him for Subonis. You want to turn him for Sub bonus. Dude. Him for Sub bonus. Yep. So bonus, Jalen Johnson attack. Oh, that's nasty. I do love watching Dailon Johnson, though.

John Johnson should have... It's the finest 37 wins. I have seen. Shut up. You see I have Darius gone super high as well. Again, I love the toe tapping that he does. KD is fucking KD. Tyree Shalburn probably should have been even higher on my list, to be honest, as well.

Because, like, watching him, he could put up like eight points on a still having fun watching him. You got a thing for Darius draw on his toes. I absolutely do, bro. He's never coming back on the show. You're probably right.

You just said you had to think for his toes. He's like, nah, man. Where are they on? Listen, I'm not examining his toes or anything. It's the play style. I hope he's getting to it.

There's just very few players. And Trey, Karee and Dairs are on the same conversation in terms of like toe tapping and shit. It's a little bit different. But hey, same archetype. Okay.

So, yeah. I mean, clearly you have a type. These are all shifty guys. That is really this tier, counting Katie even, who obviously looks a little different. He's huge. But 11 to 13, you have a type. And Halliburton's damn near that type. Actually, no, Tyrese Hallibor is very different.

He's different. I think I honestly wish I would have put him higher because his fun is, it's transcendent because it's not only him. He influences like a whole play style, you know? Transcendentive fun. Yeah. It's so, yeah, it's so anti-religious. Religions have been found on less. Exactly.

Fair enough. Next year, Donovan, who do you have 15 through 11? At 15, I have Tyrese. At 14, I have Luca. At 13, I have Palo. 12, I have DeMitch. And at 11, I have Kyrie. Palo Bancich was more funny than Luca Dantzich?

Luca Dantz is 14 for you. I'm not, listen. What the hell? I'm not in Luca. Ain't nobody showing up to his party, man. That's crazy. First of all, you had Yokic. I had like 18.

You can't say anything. I have every right to, but I'll let you continue. Luca, okay, so like this last, I'm, this last year of, of Luca, um, Jackson Hayes and I catch you, you're ruining his PR. I can't, no, I honestly kind of, I kind of, I kind of throw it out because it's just like, it was a very wild year for Luca. So this is gauging 2024, Luca on the map? No, this is just like overall, I'm just overall not a Luca guy.

It's not like one of my favorite things. Even whenever he's, he's on, I'm not like, I'm in awe, but I'm not like, oh, this is so much fun. Like, it's just like, this guy's crazy at basketball, but it doesn't translate that over. That's crazy. Me, I'm a Luca guy. Yeah, I mean, same. Again, I can be amazing stuff. And there is something that he does with, it's like, oh, man, like, that's, that's crazy.

It's just not. If you're six, seven or taller and you're a great passer, you're going to be on my list. That's why Kate is at 16. Yeah. And Luca's the best ever at those things. being that big and that good of a passer with his scoring bag. Yeah. Speaking of scoring, too, we can even double down on his just incredibly tough shot making abilities.

Like, he just hits the most, what the fuck is that? Like, how did that go win shots ever? He's top three. You like Palo's tough middies, but not Lucas tough middies? Exactly. I feel like I have defended Palo so much. I'm very much invested in his success. So every time I watch the magic and anytime I watch Palo do anything good, I'm like,

hell yeah, let's go. Let's go. So that's very much where I'm at with Paolo. DeMitch, also, once I get to like 12 and above, it really is like at your peak. Yeah. Who do I think is the best? D. Mitch, when he's on and he's taking 35 shots a game and he's scoring 50 and he's jumping over people. Yeah.

Especially because like he's mad, he's mad strong, but he isn't like the tallest player. And so seeing him being able to have that, that much. force and fly through the air the way that he does shout to him so i like him at 12 and then karees kairi and it doesn't take that much explaining okay i think i have kairn this year as well at 15 when it's not happening to you tyre's haliburton is insanely fun yeah when he's not when he's not ruining your summer it's a it's a great time we call this a small guard tier for me okay at 15 i have john morant 14 kairri irving 13 donovan mitchell 12 jaylon brunson 11 tyre's haliburton so my favorite are all really big really physical and great passers my second favorite players are all really

small really shifting buckets and that's where this tier comes in okay effective small bucket getters that's what we have that's all of these guys right here i like where you have dylan brunson um jane groin brunson is not necessarily my cup of tea but i can understand why he's so high anybody who averages 35 points per game in a playoff series is probably my cup of tea especially when they do like five other 30 point per game playoff series in the ensuing five times that's my tip cup of tea i can agree with you i'm not saying you're wrong but when it comes to he just plays like a he plays a heavier style of basketball than what i didn't he just plays he's just like a little bit heavier than what i'm like used to enjoying you know i don't

have no weight or no like you said heavy no into heavy means weight it's just like naturally for someone like yeah like he's someone who's he's light on his feet obviously he's one of the quicker point guys that's why he put yoke's low it's not no there's not it's not because when you see who i have top three you'd be like oh fuck he's arguably one of the bigger players he's a high rate some fat so yeah i'm no i mean no no i did not say that you're saying all this buddy i'm just saying general brus is not necessarily my cup of tea because you're a bad guy. I'm not fat-phobic. I love my big bone people out there. He's just some of my favorite people are fat. Exactly. Yeah, Kyrie of 14, just getting a little old, so it's not quite as

shippies at once was, but he's still Kyrie. DeMitch, same reasons you said when DeMitch is on, outrageous. Brunson, he's just so amazing in the playoffs every year that I can't help but love it. Is he the biggest flopper in the NBA outside of Jimmy Bowler? Yes. Do I care? No. It's amazing to watch. Those are the two biggest grifters in the NBA and I do not care. I enjoy it when it's met with tough shot making outside of it. And yeah, Tyrese Halliburton

what can we say that hasn't been said for the past week? One of the most fun, just conducive to winning players you're ever going to see that plays a very unique style in today's NBA. You don't see a lot of traditional point guards in the sense that aren't the biggest bucket getters but can when needed and the way

they play make makes everybody better. They don't hold on to the ball. And he's doing choking signs against the New York index, which is awesome to see. That's obviously humongous aura points. I probably should have put him top 10 for that and that alone. It's great. No, he's leaned into, this is the same thing where like a couple of years ago, like Trey Young would have been super high on a lot of people listening.

Having people lean in to being the villain, which is also a point for Dremont for being fun, seeing people embrace that where you know people aren't really like on your side or they're not going to like you. and you are very willing to play that role and still perform on top of that. Like that's extremely fun. That's extremely cool. I think I might put John Moran a little bit too high.

Really? Why? Reason we talked about. Just it was a slow year. Okay. But I'm not mad at 15. Mine moved down a couple spots. I forgot who I had right behind him,

but I'm looking at the names next to this. I'm like, I like watching these guys a lot more than I, like watching Joe. Okay. But he's John Moran. He still does jump very high. which is very fun to watch. And now, for the top 10, most fun players to watch of 2025, I'm up first revealing this list, we got.

At 10, I have LeBron James. At 9, I have Joelle and Bede. At 8, I have Anthony Edwards. At 7, I have Zion Williamson. And at 6, I have Steph Curry. What would you title this to? I don't know. I don't know.

The runner-ups. Oh, no, no, I'm titled this tier. At their peak. All these guys are here because of their peak. Like you said earlier, obviously Jewel and Bede, barely played this year. When Joelle Embed is at his peak, he had the top three player in the world to watch for me. The way he moves to that size, ridiculous. Deemed him because obviously we don't know if we'll ever see him ever again. But this is the first time we

ranked our most fun players. I felt if we saw enough this year, I can still put Joelle and beat on the list for fun factor, just to show some appreciation for the absurd prime he's had. Without saying, if you're an MVP level player and you're that good with that unique of the skill set of that size, you're going to be top five. Put him top 10 just because injuries. Okay. LeBron's here. LeBron is not here because of the way he plays anymore.

LeBron is the top 10 most fun player to watch me because his name is LeBron James. That is why LeBron James is on his list. It's crazy. I didn't even try to divorce the fact that he's LeBron James and he's the goat from my view.

That is a huge part of the enjoyment factor of watching LeBron James, watching the Lakers. He's here because he's LeBron. Is on the court, is he one of the 10 most fun players to watch me anymore? Probably not, but he is going to be that

because he's LeBron. Okay. I respect the Glaze. And then Zion, what I got to say about going for peak when Zion's healthy he might be two for me zion's one of the best players to watch ever for me I love the just ridiculous explosiveness he has the passing feel the absurd touch finishing on layups is outrageous this just the top tier for me the top five are all rare mixes of athleticism and skill Zion's extremely rare in that

way I love I love this list Zion is the poster boy for what you just said and him just where athletics have been just like unforeseen skill that the NBA hasn't seen before I think it was on though I put him even higher than you I believe he's in the same range I'm not sure I love having fun watching Zon I have a lot of fun watching Zon the only thing is that I don't have a lot of fun because he's not there a lot of the time so but when he is there it outweighs each other yeah it outweighs each other yeah and this is again this isn't a player ranking list I don't give a shit about his availability is how fun you are my god he is a thrill to watch when he's on the only reason that's how five

because there's five frees of nature in the NBA right now they're occupying all those spots but I feel Curry and Zion are like as high as anybody and though ant in there too the top eight are truly the top tier yeah okay makes sense okay I like the imbid placement I just didn't put him on my list at all

because he didn't move the same this year because he's going through whatever mystical angels he's going through and on top of that as well we didn't see him a lot so I think don't be for me would be probably around the similar range maybe a little bit higher because his size he's just a fucking freaking nature and the skill set the dribble package the finishing the defense like all around

even like the off court shenanigans the heckling that he does as well is all fun but saturday i just didn't get to see it enough that's why he didn't touch my list at all yeah i'm obviously being quite generous with uh that i just wanted to and also when he came back he had some games he wasn't like 100%. he did have like a 30 or 40 point game he had 30 he had a 30 point game he still looked amazing. He still obviously wasn't as amazing as when he was vying for MVP's but it's still pretty fun. He had a big ass like robotic. He had a big ass cast on his leg. I remember that too. And I think he's never going to be the same, but I think we'll still get high peaks when he comes back at least the start of this next season. He has a lot of time off. I imagine we'll see a good

version. It's just how long will last before the next injury. I don't know. But I don't think he's like never going to be a top 10 most fun watch player again. Yeah. Next up, we got both of your guys is the list okay mo you go first so at 10 i got lamello ball again when you talk about just box office and just straight up pure entertainment could be good could be bad you watch you watch funny movies sad movies scary movies all to just be entertained the mellow ball is that encapsulated in the whole list nine lamella ball nine lebron james eight lillard seven john moran i got six lucid dants okay fair not again john lemello House of Highlights Specialist

Your list is the House of Highlights list And I respect it I mean hey I appeal to the masses And I will say I am the voice for the people Don what you got All right at 10 I have Tatum 9 KD 8 LeBron 7 Janus 6 ant

7 Janus was crazy You don't look I forgot we've got so many agenda wars over the year But Yon it doesn't surprise me Never mind No he's he's cool I mean the guys in the top five I just like them more

But, like, I think once everybody in top seven could make an argument to actually be in my top five. But, like, once we get, like, there's only five spots in the top five. So I just have to put some people outside of there. Just be honest. What? He doesn't got a bag, does he? I mean, no, not really. Listen, the bag is growing, though.

Yeah, it is. The bag is growing. And so there are times with, with, honestly, you're just like, man, I don't know. what I'm watching and it's it's insane but yeah he's just at seven for me that also might be a little bit of bucks tax where like the team sucks as well um i'm surprised lebron is that you have lebron the highest out of all of us i love to see that for the reason that y'all said it's not even about the play style but also this is at this is like at their peak still when lebron is on it's amazing even when lebron is just regular lebron

game, right? He is so theatric and so just dramatic with everything that he, the way he walks up up the court, the way he just watching LeBron play basketball is an experience just because he's, he's going to do one, one or two things

like Dremont where it's going to end up as a meme at the end of the night and it's just going to be funny. So, yeah, I have LeBron at 8, KD, listen, even still, even still. The middies are crazy. And the shot making when he's when kd is on and he's knocking down midranges it legitimately looks like

he is the best score to ever play the game taitem at 10 you trying to make up for past wrongs no when when tatum what have i always yelled about with tatum it's where i begin about a lot of things it's the it's the it's the fact that there have been soft pretty boy there have been there have been times when like I'm just like y'all I'm gonna need you to actually do the thing I'm gonna need you to start scoring and it hasn't necessarily been there but when Tatum is on and he is doing the thing his shot making is crazy and then you put you put that together with what he's doing defensively you're like this is exactly who I think that this six nine dude should be so at his peak yeah he is he is very fun to watch I just get mad because it's not necessarily there every time now I'm trying to see him be in his back yeah I can I can agree with that. I love basketball so much and I wish I could put all these players like top 10 to 15

obviously but seeing the type of fun that Tatum what? That's the cornyest thing you've ever said. I love basketball. I do, man. I just love these guys so much.

I'm telling the truth, man. I think everybody's a trophy. There's not one like, there's not one ranking that I've seen you guys do. I'm just like, oh, this is fucking terrible. It's the truth, bro. It sounds corny.

but it's the truth at the end of the day. I can understand you're raking for tainting because I think I had him like 21. You had them at 17 or some of that nature. Yeah, 21 was crazy. It's really not when you see the tendency that I have. It's really not. It's not, you're right.

It's not crazy. Again, I think if we gauge who gets on how to highlight it's the most, he's probably about 21st. Probably. Probably. That makes sense. Maybe. Okay.

So this is all names you'd expect to see. Obviously, we have a very, this is our most different list you've ever had, obviously. Yeah. Let's see these top five. We'll reveal them all at once. At five, I have Luca Donchich. At four, Janice, three, Nicola Yokic, two, Shea Gildas Alexander.

One, Victor Wemann Yama. Okay. At five, I have Shea. Four, I have Brunson. Three, I have Yokic. Two is Curry. One is Wembe. Okay.

At five, I have Anthony Edwards, four, Janis. Three is Nion. Two, Wembe, and one, I got Curry. similar list similar is list I like you enjoy watching 25 curry more than wendy I don't believe you

I will as much as you can say we've never seen anything like rich or menyama we will never see nothing like Steph Curry ever I think there we're more likely to see another duplicate

of Wemba Jama compared to seeing someone like curry I don't know about that the gap that's hard maybe 7 5 I don't know yeah like we've had like Dame is probably the closest

thing that we've seen to step in terms of all that even then it's an insane gap yeah but but again we've never seen somebody eight to be able to play defense and move the way that that wimby does but listen let's say i've i've step at at two yeah this is this is at my peak where and the argument for step is no matter where you are if you get a text in any in any group chat saying oh my god step is going crazy i'm stopping anything that that i'm doing i'm pulling the phone that i'm in the game up on my phone i have to see what step is going to do and i think that out of everybody on on this list out of all of our combined stuff step has the biggest draw when he's on and somebody's like yo he's going crazy you have to watch that more so than anybody

else on this list it's literally must he is the definition of what must watch to me because it just simply can't be replicated and you can try to but at the end of day it's not going to look the same because it's just ongoing 48 minutes of just brain breaking plays, the audacity, the celebration, how we just influence an entire generation of basketball

ongoing. Like it's just so much when it comes to talking about Steph Korean. I think when he retires, outside of LeBron James, he's going to be the player that I miss watching the most. For sure. Yeah. Me too. I'm with you. I would have said that. Wembe got us. Wemby's taking that

crown for you have to watch. musty TV, you never said anything like that? It's okay, go home. Wemby's here. We're good. Do y'all remember Christmas?

I felt like that was the passion of the torch for the most exhilarating player in the NBA to Wemby. That game, did he have a 48? It was like 40 and 20. Something like that. It was something to wild.

That felt like what I felt like watching Curry when he was breaking out. Like you can obviously the peak of Curry was to maybe an even greater degree came out of nowhere. So you could say

that's even more fun at his peak. Wemby is damn close. That felt like everything you just described is exactly how I feel about Wembe these days that everybody tune in because he's having one of those games and we're only going to get more and more of those as the time goes on.

The 7 foot 5 tax, nothing has ever been seen like this. Right now, this might wear off over time the way it has for Yannis, the way that you put Yonis at 6 because we're so accustomed to it because you've seen him dunk on motherfucker's faces 500,000 times.

Wembe's still fresh enough that it's still, what the hell am I looking at? We've got at least like 18 more months of this before people get accustomed to it. into it at least until we get a deep playoff run then people might start taking it for granted but for now it feels like I'm watching a new version of basketball if we got a new software update and all of our eyes aren't adjusted yet yeah that's yeah that's that's why he's at one for me because from the and even like even as he's ascended like you said there's still that level

of intrigue because he isn't he isn't the best player in the league now so every night you're watching him you're trying to see how fast Can we get there? Are we going to get there? Like, is he going to have a five, ten game stretch where we're all thinking like, okay, no, he's, you know, top, top four, top three. This is legitimately is here. So that, that intrigue on his constant rise and ascension, that is why he's won for me over, over Steph. But I don't, I don't hate you for that because I think that stuff still, you know, controls that.

Brunton, F.4 is surprising until I realized that your list and it's not surprising. Jayla Brunson saved my life What do you mean? The Knicks are in the Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in I guess like my coherent Like they made it when I was like nine months Or like a year or whatever

Yeah But yeah like seeing Seeing Brunson do the things that he does His his footwork Look you said that you don't care about footwork One of my favorite players ever Is Kobe and seeing like That was always one of the biggest talking points

Was Kobe's footwork and you go down and you look at everybody who does that and Brunton being able to also have that and be able to score at his size he should be three there's a little part of me that does hate the foul stuff right so I'm not I'm not going to put him

I'm not going to put him top three but everything else is like no this is this is my guy yeah uh Janus has to be top fire for me I have not stopped taking Janus like I haven't started taking it for granted at all as a physical guy I feel the way I when I watch him the way that people sound like when they describe when they watch Will Chamberlain

where it's like oh so this guy is just in a tier above as a human being the way he moves the things he's physically capable of I still feel that way with Yonis like even in the Pacer series they said no chance and it was disgusting they had no chance to win Kuzma and KPJ were on the court. It was nasty hoops

Yonis was a god amongst men I still feel insane when I watch him I agree when I think of Yonis I think a seven foot Marshawn Lynch he just he's so fucking relentless and the way he's able to just finish around the rim

by strictly force is easily one of the most impressive things that I've seen in my lifetime. I was alive when Shaq was doing his thing but I wasn't conscious seeing him being able to give guys like 30 and fucking 40 into the paint by using one to

two moves and just spamming the fuck out of it. I just realized when you were ducking the fafelopec allegations and you said you got a big guy in your top five you were talking about Zion Williams And here we go. Here's a Zion combo. When I watched Zion Williamson, he put up the most entertaining, like, 22, 23 points per game ever.

How swift he is at that size. Like these, these next four for me right here, they just, you guys chemically just don't make fucking sense with how they play basketball. And Zion is damn near the, Zon and Wembe are just like the epitomey of that because how are you so big, so fast, so strong, but also play so. with like we play with an urgency and you play with such quickness your second jump just doesn't make any sense and you're telling me like your arms are that massive and you have such a soft touch that doesn't make any sense bro you know he so small no i'm just saying he doesn't he just

doesn't make any sense every time i watch him play i'm just buff and he's good with his hands i'm all right buddy i don't know what you're describing right now i'm talking about basketball and obviously nicokech goes without saying top three best player in the world One of the most skilled players of all time One of the best offensive players of all time Anytime you watch a legend at their peak It's beautiful to me It's just like you're just waiting greatness

And you know it in the moment Everybody else knows it You hit a certain point around When you won a championship Where everybody became extremely aware Of his all-time status And he's every time he does anything in a game He has a 40-20 game

He had that 60 point Not that 60 point what was it that It was like a 60- Yeah 60 point triple double Yeah He has big games like that And immediately in the moment People were like

Oh so this is one of the five best players I've ever seen at their peak and like nobody's gassing he's one of the best players of our lifetimes not to say stop five whatever number you say but you know legend legend legend in the moment the only reason he's not two for me i put shea at two and this is exclusively for this year yokech will be back at two just because this year we're watching shay like also play himself into all-time great status with his team with the MVP season it's a similar type of thing it's like if we were watching 2021 yokech again where he's entering the all-time status of top 35, 40, whatever the number is, like I said,

whatever number constitutes one of the best players ever play, Shea has played himself into that this year, and watching the birth of a legend is always the most fun thing in sports for me. Yeah, I've, and I've talked about it plenty of times how Shea should be the thing that everybody looks at and, like, wraps their arms around in terms of a star who plays at all three levels, has the mid-range as a significant part

of his game, gets to the rim, has all the or has really everything yeah and the conversation just turned a completely like different way which sucks yeah the only reason why he's at five for me this is actually it's well obviously like i guess the the conversation really would be over like him and yokech but yokech is just like that good um it's kind of an efficiency tax for she there's times where he's so good and so quick to getting to his spots where you look up in the third quarter and you're like oh he has 30 i don't even remember it's too easy right like i don't even remember him getting that's why you have you on a slow too it's too easy for him getting getting to

30 and so you have to go back and like rewatch and be like oh no like he was different but like in the moment he's just ho-home i'm just get here get to my get to my spot i'm gonna score two i'm gonna get to get to a free throw line and at the end of the day he's scoring 35 and you're like wow like what just happened and that's why i love it no waste of movements everything is incredibly efficient it is a basketball fans dream if you aren't if you aren't just like if you're not personally outraged by the foul drawing then it's a basketball fan's dream the way he's just so effective in every way and as far as the foul drawing goes I get it to use the around some people don't like it I understand it and at the day if you don't like flopping I can't argue with you it's dramatic if you think that

hamper's your enjoyment to the point where you can't enjoy shay to the degree no problem with it I enjoy it I think it's pretty smart and I think it's good basketball and I applaud it because you combine that with all the other aesthetic stuff. So there's enough aesthetics that the lack, the unesthetic part that is flopping doesn't bother me so much. So I'm like, hey man, he has the bag and he has the smart stuff to get to the line.

It's a complete basketball player. I respect it. Yeah. I can agree with that. I like your point, especially when it comes to seeing how effective and how quick Shay is able to do, get his 33,

3, 33 points or whatever it might be within the blink of an eye. The only reason why he's not oh so high for me, I think I had him like 16 or whatever. Yeah, you had him crazy low. Is that his, like, notice I have one, Curry, two, Wembe, three, Zion, and Janus and Ann. Like, there's real, like, replay value when it comes to seeing what these guys are doing compared to someone like Shay. Shea, she's just so textbook to a T. I'm not saying that's not fun.

Obviously, like, seeing defenses lose their fucking mind trying to figure out how to guard him and throw so many coverages and it still don't matter is obviously from. But when it comes to just like, what the fuck that I did? So how did you get? How were you able to shoot from that far, jump so fast? Or, you know, there's like an athleticism thing. Yeah, yeah. Because like outside of Curry, everybody else is like pretty like above the rim. And Shay, she isn't.

Yeah. Yeah. Not how so how that's worthy plays. It's not big dunks. It's not crazy deep threes. It's all fundamental in between the arc and the rim. It's all not outwardly exciting in that way. I understand.

Yeah. Don't care. I love it. Yeah. And you, I'm right with you too. Having Shea at 2 is perfectly fine For me personally I just like seeing people defy odds of physics

And all these guys do that She just doesn't Yeah once Shea wins the title He'll drop to four or five He's here he's here right now Just because we're witnessing this crazy year Where it's like transcending into legend status Like making the Hall of Fame this year

That's why he's so high Like the journey is amazing to watch Once that's past it And where everybody's on the same level These other guys have rings I like watching Janus and Yokish more I will say if they can, if the Thunder do fulfill what feels like the ultimate prophecy at this point and like become this next dynasty, Shea actually is going to rise for me. I personally, I love dynasties.

I love seeing, I love seeing somebody not only get to the top, but maintain that excellent whenever everybody in the world is going for your spot, is everybody is gearing their team to beat you. And they just can't do anything about it Like that was always something with the with the warriors where Obviously I know it was like unfair like having KD there But it was also cool seeing a team be that dominant And so I if they if they can do it He probably he Yeah I don't know who's who's gonna jump yokech but like that

That'll be something for me with that like is actually very very fun Okay I understand that that's not bad at all Do you know what's more more fun than talking about the top 25 players, fun players in the NBA. Tell me. My opinion. It's fucking TikTok time. Oh.

Crayon eating time. Y'all, I need you guys to gear up. You at home, if you got a crayon, pencil, pen, marker, whatever it is, rock with us. Put your crayons in the sky. Wave them. It's like a starlight. That was that being said?

We're on the TikTok time. Unite! welcome to TikTok time today we're once again going to begin with the draft we move that was crazy stop that right now today we're going to do a classic draft one that we did like two years ago when we did the format a little bit different we're going to draft maybe lineups with only players who play for Los Angeles Lakers going through a lot of teams we're going to go through all 30 eventually figure what today we do one of the classic ones because now we do the where we select an individual year,

a specific version of the player, not them in their prime, that might change things a little bit. Damn, damn, damn. This is the worst first pick to have. And you do have number one right now is Moe number one, Donovan number two, me number three.

You guys know how this works. Only players that played for the Lakers. You pick them in a specific version of them in that uniform. Mo, wherever we're going with the first overall pick. This is so, this is the hardest pick to make because I can go in all types of places. But you know who I am. You know me. Give me LeBron James 2020. Is he the best

Laker of all time? I don't know. But is his name LeBron Ramon James? Yes, I'm taking him number one. Fair enough. Donovan, where are you going? Um, see, this is, this is very hard because whoever I pick obviously is giving you your strategy, but I'm chill either way. You know me. You know my game give me give me 2000 and give me 2001 Kobe Bryant oh okay fuck that is not what I expected oh shit I should have took this guy oh one Kobe okay well I got exactly what I wanted give me MVP Shaq give me 2001 finals MVP Shaq and give me Magic Johnson fuck I got to go the point guard center combination is crazy yeah I and that's I can't believe you gave him you gave him

Shaq. What a crazy pick and roll. It's okay. I mean, I'm going to take Who you paying with Kobe? Who's the best compliment to Kobe? You know, we'll just go We'll just get some. I mean, we have Shaq. We just go get a crazy athlete. Athletes? Nah, I'll take whatever is the best version. So we'll go like 19, like

80 something just give me give me young career I don't know exactly like like what specific year but I'll take young I like how we pick both guard big men combination just flipped them

yeah this is what would happen I knew that's why I figured I knew you were going to get one of them so I was like yeah you get the other one okay I'll even put the ears to this okay so that's fair we both got

nice guard big combos Mo who are you gonna pair LeBron with damn all right well you guys tonight the greatest of all time these are all what They're all top, top 10, 11 players of all time.

Lakers are so greedy, man. This is not fair. You can pick Luca? Damn. Luca didn't have necessarily the greatest year just yet. But for the sake of placement on this team, I think I'd rather have Luca than any other guard at point guard for me personally. So give me Luca.

Oh, you actually are taking Luca. Yeah. So far, he's the best fit on this team. I know where I'm going. Okay. I don't need to rush into certain spots. So give me, Luca. That's crazy.

Okay. Who's that for that? So after Luca, go ahead and also, let me double up, get 2020 AD as well. Okay. Picking all the new guys. Yeah. I mean, it's not a bad, not a bad setup at all. Domain, where are you going?

You froze? I just, I can't, I can't let you have this. So, at my power forward, give me Will Chamberlain. Oh. Fuck, I forgot about him. I wasn't going to pair of Wilton Shack. That would have been ridiculous spacing. Okay, what year is, Wilf?

I don't even know about spacing. Yeah, it is what it is. I was not for the big Will Chamberl. Dude, Kobe with Wilton cream on the block just the hand up? He's watching. Yep. Give me,

Ooh Give me Elgin Baylor and James Worthy Get two athletic forwards Well fuck You got James Those are my guys I thought we were going to stay

I'm cooked Yeah I got Give me guys So guard Lebron and Kobe That's what I need But I'll tell you something Can't nobody guard

Ahold of Kobe James Worthy's gonna do his best Who do I want At the three We have We have a couple options but if I have will and anchoring and his thing see a lot of people like to disrespect Kobe understand he did what he did because he had to he's a basketball savant and really

can do everything on the floor so we are going to go we're going to get we're good I see now I'll take some defense we're going to get Michael Cooper and a point good okay you know for right now we'll put coop at the one okay okay yeah I mean you need role players for sure So it's not crazy. That's why I picked James Worthy. He did guys. If need to be, Kobe will be running a point guard. Okay.

And it will happen. Speaking of guards, again, one of the greatest point guards of all time. I'm surprised he's still on my, so on the board. He played the two as well. Had some size, I guess. It doesn't matter because I have Luke and LeBron. And my shooting guard gives me Jerry West. I'm surprised Donovan did not pick him.

Yeah. But okay. And my shooting guard gave me Jerry West. Fair enough. Straight ball handler. There's somebody has to play defense at some point. I got Anthony Davis back there for a reason. Not guarding Shaq.

20, LeBron as well. Oh, yeah, it's going to be. I like where I'm going. So I got Luca, Jerry West, LeBron, and AD. And now, and naturally, let me just complete the semi-modern trifecta. I need someone who just has a lot of length

because I have wilt, like Kareem, Shack, to deal with. I'm in fucking hell right now. Give me Powell Gasol at my four. Okay. I mean, I think he obviously doesn't command the ball as much. I like where I'm at. I like where I'm at. This is tough.

This is so strategic that we're doing. This is tough. It's so serious. Yeah. I was so serious. Yeah. That's so serious. Okay.

These last two are, this is tough. Very hard. It is. There's a guy that I want to take just to have this be fun, but I need a little bit more shooting. You need a little serious. Shooting The Lakers don't have historical great shooters at all That's what I'm saying

But I don't This is like very much Like role player stuff Jared Vanderbuk Oh Trevor Ariza Hey Shut the fuck up

We're taking O'9 Trevor That's fine I was thinking about Arisa But you can have them Because I'm taking I'm gonna stay big I'm gonna stay athletic

And I'm gonna have crazy defense Give me Alex Caruso At my shooting guard I'm a I have defense, athleticism flying everywhere around Magic and Shaq. Alex Caruso mentioned. Nice. Okay.

One of the best guard defenders of the modern NBA. Oh, yeah. You're small. I'm small. James Worthy, Nalgam Baylor, like 6-8. I got Wilton Captain. I got Shaq. I have Shaquille O'Neill and a 6-9-point card.

Damn. So I got Luca, Jerry West, Babe LeBron, Paugasol, and Anthony Davis. I have Michael Cooper, Kobe Bryant, Trevor Reza, Wilk, Chamberlain, and Neil McAvill, Jabbar. I have magic, I have the bald eagle, I have Elgin Baylor, James Worthy, and Shaq. Man, this spacing for all this is so disgusting. It's a rock fight.

Yeah, no, it's actually disgusting. I wanted to have the fastest team, and I got that. Man. I don't even know who won. How do you even? Who's to say? I know. It's the Lakers.

All I know is Donovan lost. It's so psychic. It's so silent than that. I'm like, damn. Luca, Jerry, West, LeBron. A.D. and Gassall. But then you got Magic Crusoe, Elgin, Baylor, James Worthy.

You definitely played to the TikTok comment, so they're going to say you won because you picked the players that they watched. So they're definitely going to pick you. Man. The love that 2020 AD gets, it's like, oh my God. Yeah.

When he had his shot, oh, man. All right, next thing we're going to do, we are going to react. To the craziest, skip Baylist, NBA takes of all time. And it's all made me tripling. He looked like he just said the most trifling thing ever, bro. He's like, I dare you to sing something. We're going to grade these takes based on whatever you want.

I get, I mean, let's get Bayless, so it's not on how good they are. All the takes are horrible. So on performance art, grade these takes. All right. Actually, whatever you want, whatever means to you. I don't think, if we're strictly talking about performance art, one of the greatest of all times. Yes. If you're talking about anything else outside of performance art, not so much.

But we're here to look at his, I don't know if you want to call him worst or most outlandish. His tank discography. His tank discography. The best that Skip Bayliss has to offer to this world. When you think of the word hater, his picture pops up, bro, in the definition book. Yep. So here we go. First up.

Talking about, he said in the definition book instead of the dictionary. You know what I mean. The definition book. It's like, there's a word for that. We're going to start with the LeBron hate, obviously. Let's go back to the beginning. May 2009. LeBron will never win an NBA championship.

The start of it all. This is the great choke, not chokier, but embarrassing year. Did he get stuck by the Spurs this year? No, they lost to the Celtics in them. Oh, no, no. They lost to the magic in the conference. Yeah. Oh, okay.

This is the birth of Skip Bayless. When he first decided LeBron is the guy he's going to hate. It really, when you think about that, this started at all. This is birth modern sports media. It did. In the worst way possible, but it did. This is an influential take that he took and ran with. I'm a, just because of how influential

it was, I have to give it in it. So many people, at this point, because LeBron had won two MVPs at this point, just lost in the Eastern Conference finals, hadn't been back to the finals in a mere three years. Yeah, it was looking kind of scary. And Skip was, he was capitalized. But he was the best player in the NBA, like 25 years old,

and he decided, I'm going to say this guy sucks. That was so trans-setting to just pick the clear-cut best guy who will obviously win a championship and be like, fuck him. he's never going to win he was just trying so hard to be first to something so non-sensical and seeing

again I respected standing on this take and he did it for so long even to this day but it's just not good talk it's not good for the brain at all yeah I'm gonna go F just because he got so much better over the years this is the birth of it this is when he was in his junior state he got a lot better at standing

against LeBron over the years I'm gonna give this one an F to start next up 2013 there is no way that LeBron James was already a first ballot Hall of Fame. So not first said he's not going to win. Then he won. And he's like, not in a Hall of Fame yet, though. He kept changing his perception.

In 2013, LeBron was a, now, I can't remember if this was in June or post-finals. But let's just assume this is post-finals. Back-to-back MV. This is mid-heedles. Yeah. Mid-heedles. Four-time MVP, two-time champion, Olympic gold medalist. Twice.

a scoring leader consistent of first team all defense and he said nah he was second a DPO why that year and he said you know what he got to win he has to win

maybe second ballot not first ballot and he was like I mean if we're being serious Tiago splitter is a first ballot Hall of Fame or anybody's a Hall of Famer but not LeBron yeah this is just not even funny

at this point in time it's just irritating And that's a lot of Skip Bayliss. It's funny because he stands on it and he's so, like, firm in his belief. But actually is listening to the statement, it just makes me lose all interest and it's like I get this morning off of my screen. See, it gets funny over time. It wasn't funny yet. Right now it's eye-roly.

Another F. But we'll get there. Easy F. Next up, LeBron is not a top five player in NBA history. So first, he's not going to championship. Then he wins one. It's not Hall of Fame, though. Then obviously that got shut up.

We come to 2016, November 2016. So after the three one come back And he says not top five all time though The third goal post shift Let's see top five at that point Would have been like LeBron Kareem Mike Magic And whoever else you want to put

You know what Again not the not the best time to say it But if he had waited If he had or if he had said it Three months earlier right With before the comeback Maybe you can have any type of argument

that he's not top five. Once you get that 3-1 come back, yeah, you got it. You're cemented in history at that point in time. This is the point in which I start respecting Skip Bayliss and the player hating.

This is the point that we're seven years into this experience and you've continued to find ways to say nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, and LeBron has continued ways to say yes, yes, yes,

and you just keep shifting. At this point, I'm like, keep going. Let's see where this lends us. I'll give him a. Yeah, because it's not like he's, it's not like he's leaning on stats to back him up.

it is pure. Nuh. Not like that? No. No. I'm giving this a D because at this point in time for me at this I was 16 years old

when he made this take, I'm like, oh shit. Like he's actually a dumbass and it's starting to become actually funny. I keep on watching this garbage show. This is where it progressed to escape this is prime. After first take,

undisputed FS1 era, he was on top of the world. He perfected the craft by now. It was no more. Or, oh, I think so-and-so was better, so 101. It's, oh, I think everybody's better than LeBron, actually. I think LeBron sucks. He just took it to the next level and made himself a cartoon.

And he had to. This is a very, it's a very clear example of being elevated by your teammates, right? Because when you're on first take, and it's him and Stephen A. Stephen A is also a Michael Jordan, like, he's the goat kind of guy. But he's just trying to be like, listen, let's just have some common sense. Yeah. The moment you put Shannon Sharp, Mr. Goat James on the other side, now I was like, I have to step my game up. Iron sharpens iron

And that's what Skip Bayless did in 2016 You are absolutely correct This man Shannon Sharp pulled up to a show One day wearing a whole goat mask Henny and he had cigars and all that I believe it was after the 2016 performance Yeah it's been in his blood But seeing what he's been able to do

Skip specifically And how we just continuously just Gets more and more crazy from this point on It's still a defense Okay And here we are to perfection If he trained for two months 52-year-old LeBron James would beat

30-year-old LeBron James in a 101. A-plus. This is the best take of all time. A-plus. This is the funniest thing anybody's ever said in sports media. A-plus. Makes you even think about 52-year-old

Michael Jordan 1B-winning LeBron James damn near peak of his powers at 30 years. Why? Hatred. What do you gain from him? He got a vial of hatred, rolled up his elbow.

That's what makes you think of that. Pure hatred directly injected into the veins. And mind you. some people believe this as soon as skip said it it was a it was a legitimate someone was like well if you think about it yeah there are many onks around the country on a good day of many onks around the country in barbershops in auto zone waiting rooms that'll hear this and be like I like the way this guy thinks he knows his audience like he just woke up one day and this is the most productive thing that he was able to think of and he was like yeah I'm going to say

this on air and spew this nonsense and his reasons were like when it comes to pure willpower the lights will be too bright lebron won't be able to keep up that's just good that's just good tv right there bro go take your wife on a date what are we talking about right now man how how it's productive damn he's like go to brunch damn go play bingo one of the most hilarious i don't know if this is on this is probably not but one of the most hilarious things that skip has said is that i think he went on i think he said this on air about his life he was like i looked at my life and I'm like, you will never be number one in my life. You are always number two to LeBron and what I have to talk about on air.

That she doesn't pay the bills. LeBron does. Exactly. Top tier. You know, where are the important parts of life we're at. But fair enough, this is where we get to A plus takes. This is where we get into pure craftsmanship. Yeah.

We're at the peak now. Winning the 2020 finals actually hurts LeBron's legacy because it was an absolute cakewalk. Again, people. believe this. People believe this. People actually believe this. And this is really where, like you said, this is where the craftsmanship comes in. Because it's one thing just to say nonsense. It's another thing to start bringing people on your side. This is just good leadership on his point. When you say LeBron isn't a top 20 player of all time, you're just stupid. When you sprinkling just enough biased logic that you can get some people on your

side, that's when you hit the peak of what you do. And this is that. Using the idea that the bubble championship is a fake Mickey Mouse championship. Shout out to you. That is the type of arguer that they teach you in law school. That's what you pay Harvard for. To get all the loopholes. Using your stupidity for good. This is ingenuity. This is what you do when your brain doesn't work that well.

You use it for chaotic evil or chaotic good, whatever we want to call it. Crasmanship. He is a true witch in my mind for this take because he cultivated a whole entire cult of just people who just started spewing. Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse, Ring, Disney Ring. and all this other shit and like you guys said people believe it and this is like

truly like one of the special talents that's ever been able to touch this earth the level of hate to say he's a witch and say that the thing is not good

it's crazy he's a witch there's no explaining this at all what a guy he's literally evil eye bro he's all the negative things in the Bible he said I hate him

we got this take from 2022, the Lakers finally win a game decisively in spite of LeBron's suffering, yet another dismal 3.9, 0 for 7. Rest of the team was 17 for 36 from 3. Westbrook had more impact on LeBron with a triple double. This is the kicker, the last sentence. LeBron now rivals Westbrook, well, I can't talk. LeBron now rivals Westbrook for the NBA's worst three-point shooter.

To do this in a December basketball game. he's up every morning 5 a.m., watch our highlights, crafting his takes, making sure, is my hate good enough? Is there a different angle that can get this hate off? It's amazing. Again, two days after Christmas, go be with your family. Nope. Right?

Okay, these takes off. Like, what's going on, man? Like, do you? Who hurt you? LeBron. His childhood, man. I remember. Oh, my.

LeBron now rivals Westbrook for the most three-point shooter in the NBA. What was he shooting? Let me pull a LeBron's percentage. I think it was like 34% or so much. It wasn't even, he wasn't the shooter that he is known to be now. But seeing LeBron, he obviously, I don't know if LeBond's all this or not. But LeBron just, he became the best shooter in the entirety of his career, bro.

He saw. In the 22, 23 NBA season, LeBron James shot 32%. Oh, okay. That was a bad. That was a bad year. That was a bad year. He shot 32 percent of three My dad's kid

A plus All right The point here is To see the Westbrook outrage And how much everybody hates him Anotherakers uniform And say let me take that And let me spin that

And put it back to LeBron By saying LeBron's even worse That is a spin right there We need to teach that in journalism school Hey oh man 32% on seven attempts a game Oh that is kind of crazy Here's a brick

Yeah this is skillful This is skillful witchcraft right here It's skillful witchcraft You got it Okay next one Back to 2012 We're done with Lebron stuff underrated Austin Rivers has star power

Overrated Bradley Beale Just didn't see it enough What is that mean? He means hey Bradley Bill No it factor Awesome Reeves Clutch Gene That's what it means

Okay this was He tweeted this Right after a couple of days After the 2012 draft I believe Yes So he was calling a shot That Austin Reeves would be better than Bradley Bill Horrendous

He has girl his draft track record is fucking terrible. I can understand being moved by Austin Reeves because he was one of the ones back in them high school and colleges. Austin Rivers had a had one of the best high school mixtapes out there. He was still a top 10 pick.

Yeah. Had a very clutch shot on ESPN. The signs were there. Bradley Bill was a third overall pig and was a shooter. Yeah. Sniper. So, I mean, listen, if you play this out

over the next 15 years, yeah, he's probably, Probably ahead of like the Bradley Bill is overrated. You could probably get him there. Oh, we're giving him half credit? A little bit. Okay. Well, Bradley Bill was not overrated, though.

He played very well for a number three pick, made an all-star team. So, like, he lived up to what you want from that draft pick. I'm trying to find anything for skiing. This take is bad. It's not a good one. We'll take. F-tier. Next up, Derek Fisher will prove to be a much better NBA head coach than Steve Kerr.

Oh, God. I mean. so around this time was when Steve Kerr was like betting for jobs and he was I think he was being interviewed by the New York Knicks as well I can understand I can understand the logic a little bit

why he just pulled the shit out of thin air what does he know about either of their coaching potentials exactly I agree because he's just like he's not a Steve Kerr guy that's what it is bro he's like bitch made he got punched in the face by MJ that's what I guess what it is bro and Debra Fisher never

never mind be we didn't know what that's a way later at this point no yeah but oh you're right yeah but listen sometimes you like to go to the casino

just I'll listen I'll put something on red I'll put something on black right we'll see what happens it's a 50 50 chance either he's better or he's not he didn't put it all white this time

exactly yeah this hilarious take just pull that at thin air it was just fire in the hole it did not go well it happens it happens

Johnny football well one day Maybe it be bigger in Cleveland than his buddy LeBron ever was. This is on the Mount Rushmore of Skip Bayless stinks. It's on the Mount Rushmore of anybody takes. Yeah. This is a seminal moment in sports media history. If you guys weren't there in 2014 for the Johnny Football hysteria, just know there

is nobody more hysterical than Skip motherfucking Bayliss. This is the pinnacle. He took it. Everybody was saying, oh, Johnny Manzell can be this, Sean Manzell can be that. Not only did he say John Manzell can be that. is going to be a star. He's going to be the biggest star in the world is what he said. Why did he say bigger in Cleveland?

Because he got drafted to the Browns. Yeah, I know. But he was so targeted towards LeBron James. Like this has, bro, I understand like he does football too, of course, but why is he just mentioning LeBron every opportunity that he has? It just doesn't make any sense. I understand it. But, man, he's just so targeted as a hater and he's so committed to it.

What you call this is two birds, one stone. Yeah, exactly. Efficiency. Efficiency. I'm going Holy flop A plus A plus

Holy flop correct Also A plus correct When he comes to the skillfulness of hating He has mastered the art Time about What time is this Oh my God

435 a.m He was up early He drinking his smoothies Dreaming about Johnny football In Cleveland Brother go take care of your wife Man what is going on I'll say it again.

Jay-Z is overrated, all-time great songwriter, lyricist, subpar performer of his music, Eminem better, also Nellie's better. Again. I'm not going to lie. Listen, Jay-Z is my ghost. Jay-Z being a sub-part performer is actually a very real thing that people say and people believe. I don't think that he's overrated.

I like Jay. He's kind of cooking, though. This is not out of the insane. things that he has said this is not the craziest thing that he's ever said nellie's he just threw in nelly right what are we talking about again it's at two 52 a m so maybe he just listened to a banger country grammar so it was like oh 252 a m hyping up nelly over jzy get a life yeah that's crazy you're a sick man you are sick oh nelly why do you have to do that why this is it would have been fine if he and better i'm not i'm saying 2002 nelly was kind of

different like this is 2010 yeah so he's talking about their careers like it is what it is I'm just saying this is not the this is not the worst so on a real level I think I might give this like a B it would have been a B this man was going diamond like he's out here people were wearing band-aids on their face with no cuts I'll say it again jZ overrated and you want to co-send this as a JZ fan I'm just saying I know this you picked this out there's worse takes on this carous there is okay And that's the last one. We apparently we ended on a good take,

apparently one that you co-sign, since you also think Jay-Z's overrated. It's not what I'm saying. All I heard is you come sign it. Okay. I'm saying, Nelly underrated. Fair enough.

Let's talk about Tyrese Halliburton. No. I'm going to name five NBA players, levels one through five. You tell me who is better, Tyrese Halliburton or Player X? Who are you taking? Level one, we got Tyrese Halliburton versus Trey Young.

I mean, he's just six, and try young he's just lapped him just clearly he's just better what if try young was bigger just as good of a passer more efficient every way played better team basketball it was overall just the player you'd want your team every time tairies halliburne got it for now it's okay this is your year last year was your year as well next year will be your year maybe the year after that eh ain't saying all that ain't said all that but after that it's back to my year at 2020 not i'm coming we move let's go yeah level two john morant yeah i think it's on two points where a lot of the consensus should be like yeah tyrese halberne which is

he's better he plays a better brain of basketball that's more scalable on every level compared to someone like john market yeah proof is in the pudding with this one yeah if this was this was last year year and a half ago it would be a real debate tyrese has really set himself up as like the standard for young point guards again so i'm i'm taking tyrants over joff yeah the level of ways that he makes players better around him puts some different tier than joff i agree level three Devin Booker who this is hard because they're damn real right next to each other fuck haliburton has earned to get this but this is close if Booker was in a good situation they could be neck and neck yeah but because of what they've both done the last couple

years Halliburton deserves you ranked higher but put Booker in the right spot he could he could take that back I think I would still the sun situation is so yeah yeah that you really do have to you got to give him some grace I think I would still take Devin Booker but I'll take Halliburton I think it's I think I'm gonna take I think I'll definitely took Devin Booker still but it is close it is close I don't

I don't know if I want to fail this though because Tyrese is at like in all time this is peak he's taking his team to the finals the same thing Booker did and he doesn't have Chris Paul he doesn't have oh I guess the teams are comparable levels but he's matching his accomplishments he's doing it two years in row going in the conference finals I don't know why we wouldn't go Heep for peak who's better peak Devin Booker or peak

Caliburton. Current, Halliburton is better than current Devin Booker. We haven't seen Pete Devin Booker in quite a while. We'll go Tyrese. Okay. Yes, if you're going like just in a back, like a two, three years sample size, I think I would still go Devin. If I was building a team today, I would take Halliburton, even if it's just for age.

Like, I don't know that Devin Booker is going to get back to his best versions of himself. That's, man. The son's so ass and we can go Tyres. That's how bad the sons are. Yeah, we can go, Tyrese, but I don't think it's, this is probably. I'll go Tyrese. I don't feel good about it, though.

Okay. Level four, Donovan Mitchell. Actually, I think I feel better about this than the other way around. Yeah, I do too. Did you got... I think I do too. So another Tyreys Halliburton victory?

Tyre Silburn, congratulations. You pass this. Yeah. Again, both are both top 12 players in the NBA. They'll rank somewhere between 10 and 15, whatever it comes to for you. Tyree Tyler Moore just makes players around him better and just shows that if you want to build a team

us in a win, the path with Harry's Halliburton is very clear. That sounds very wild. That like all roads go through Tyrese, but it is like that. I mean, he's knocked out. He just knocked out DeMitts. Yeah. And the elevating of players really is the key for Tyrese. I'll go him here.

Yeah, he's just he has a high floor and he can fit next to other stars. You know that. It's not to take away from DeMitch, but Halliburton is just super easy to play with. Okay. And level five, Anthony Edwards. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Not letting the propaganda hit you this far? You could have a conversation with me, but that doesn't mean I'm listening to you. We can do a lot of Halliburton and Glaze. I'll lend it here. Anthony Edwards is better. He just had to play against the Thunder. We'll see what the Thunder do with the Halliburton pretty soon. I think it'll be pretty similar.

Yeah, I agree with you. The two-way play, the playmaking. I'm brained similar. Please. To kick his ass for me. But yeah, Anthony Edwards is still top seven player in the world, I think. Yeah, there's a clear Tier, whatever numbers

There's a tier Nine? Nah, he's higher than nine. Well, I guess if you want to say like Brunson's over him, I guess. But nah. I'll go seven or eight. Depends on where I want to put

Wemby is where that comes down to. I mean, Wemby's top eight. Dan, Anthony Edwards might be seven. That on other close. Yeah, okay. Next thing we're going to do, we are going to grade

the 2020 NBA draft class five years later we're going to go through the top 30 picks and we're going to grade what they've done so far how good the pick has been and we're going to do this really because Anthony Edwards and Tyree Taliburn on top of the goddamn world so we're going to take a lay of the land and grade

every single pick in the top 30. Okay let's do it. There's a whole lot of fucking whopping F's in this shit. So starting up top we got Anthony Edwards. A plus. A plus this is the right pick every I think during this time he was always the consensus number one

an overall pick sheer scoring power around when he was in uGA he was drawn a lot of comparisons to victor le depot obviously like he's blown past by that he's been getting comparisons to dwayne weight as well obviously he's still building towards that he was the right pick culture culture shifter he's the all-time leading score playoff score for the middle's not the timbrevoles now just realize that yeah that might be a little more about the history the timber rules a exam but yeah obviously a plus he's gotten everything that you want for number one pick anthony awards to check those boxes they have zero reason to feel any type of regret about anybody that comes after this, including Tyrie Taliborne.

I agree. Number two overall, James Wiseman. This set their organization back by like 10 years. God, this is the worst pick of like the modern NBA just because of everything that was at stake here, what could have been the second way to a dynasty that could have been created with this pick if they had taken one of the better players in this draft. This is one of the most consequential, consequential draft misses of all time. Yeah, and it, and it sucks because you can see where they're coming from.

The one thing that the word is never had was some like actually talent, like wildly talented, athletic, you know, seven, seven foot center to play alongside Dremont. And if you had that with Steph Curry, with Clay, with Dremont, you're like, oh, we're going to, we're going to be here. So you see what they were cooking. That logic made sense. But a lot of people who knew what they were talking about, even at the time said James Wiseman is not who you think he is.

He is not going to be able to play in that scheme. And they were right. This was an F in the moment. People were confused. People that knew what they were talking about. And it's an F in hindsight. It was a moronic pick. Even back then when James Wiseman was at the peak of his powers playing AAU ball, he was one of

those players where, like, he is just so vastly, he has an insane advantage, athleticism-wise and also, like, size-wise, he's going to say everyone else. And the second that he goes to college, he went to Memphis, he had an okay year, but he didn't play out the full year. And he didn't really, like, sure up on the things that people had questions about him, whether it be the finishing, whether it be the defense, the, I don't want to say IQ, but the awareness on the court. It just nothing was there.

He just had raw potential and size. Number three, lamello ball. Honestly, I'm still giving this an A for them. You said they should trade him this summer and you want to give it an A? You can't say it's an A if you are advocating for them to trade the player five years later. I think they should.

I can do whatever I want. That's one. Let's make that clear. No, but I mean, it's a, he's made an all-star team. as soon as he got there they've had they made the they made the play in two years in a row granted they got wiped out in them but post post kemba these last five years especially

those first two years have been some of the better years in terms of like hope-filled years that they've had I think that they have they also have a star that people can gravitate to at least in your fan base so you at least have that going for you it's not like he's not he's not he's not Anthony Edwards, if that's the bar that we're comparing it to, then yes, it's probably like a B plus, but in a vacuum, I do think that, like, that was the right pick for them to me. Yeah, I believe he won rookie of the year

as well. I think this was the right pick. Looking back, I can, I obviously would have to change their pick, but it's not necessarily wrong. I still give this N.A. Coming out of Lithuania, his biggest question, which has shot finishing ability and all that, which some things are still into question, but I already made an

all-star team. He is the face of that franchise, one of the most popular players in the league. The question is just health and that's it. And for that, I still give them an A. I think if you could say they should change their pick, I'm not going to give an A. So I'll give them B Plus. Obviously, like, it's not a bad pick at all. But if we're grading it five years later, we have the gauge, I think, I think the point of the exercise is how the pick is age, what they've done in that time and, like, kind of gauge their start of their career. I feel like B Plus is fine. We know Tyrese Hallibor's been better. We know Anthony Edwards has been better. So, but the script could flip. It's crazy hindsight

to say they should have picked Tyrese. Tyrese was way lower. So it wasn't the wrong pick, but it hasn't gone as perfect as it could B plus for fair it is just like simply like health reasons and also like front office issues that they've had not just i wouldn't say it's simply that there's also some flaws in the middle ball that hasn't necessarily gone better so it's not entirely that but it is a lot of that yeah it's mostly that so that's all i'm like i'm not looking at pick saying oh you fucked up big time not at all yeah that's why i said B plus no no one's in they fucked up big time okay yeah no no who did fuck up big time Patrick williams in number four how we grade this for the bulls i'm giving that a d f this is an F for sure

The Chicago Bulls thought they were way ahead of their time drafting him. He wasn't even mocked around this range at all. He flew up coming out of FSU because he was this big, rangy wing. Everyone thought, oh, my God, he is a little bit popped to his game. His nickname was paw at the time. Oh, my God, he's the next Kauai Leonard. Holy fucking Fing. Dude, they talked to Tari's Haliburton pre-draft.

They didn't pick him. Yeah. There was rumors they would be talking to Tirees Halliburton potentially doing that. They remember Patrick Williams. This is an F tier. This is where the start of the Tirees Halliburton head scratches come from. This is where you can start really regretting your decisions. Number five, Alex Okoro.

I mean, Alex, well, number five, Isaac Okoro. I think we're in a seat. So it's a solid role player who's been pretty good for you. Didn't quite take a big jump. Hasn't been one of the core parts of your team, but it hasn't been a bad pick. That feels very C to me. No, it just...

I think if you had the fifth overall picking the draft, you would want it to be a little bit better, but it... Yeah, it's why it's a C. Yeah, he's playable at least. I give this a D because as each and every year goes on, It can't be a C because you're constantly getting demoted, bro. Like, they're finding replacements because of you and your lack of a jump shot and your ability to hinder the team in a playoff landscape.

Like, you don't deserve to be a C. Okay, D's fine. Oneyaka Kongwu. Now, that's a C. That's a player who is at all the potential in the world hasn't quite taken the role. First, it was because of he wasn't quite ready. Now he got it. He had a good year that we're starting to see progress.

But I think, oh, no, we can say C plus. because we're trying to see progress now last year, C++ was very fair to me. Yeah, C plus makes sense. He's gotten better every year, but not better in the ways that the team is needed to maximize the talent that's on our roster, you know? You would have wanted him to steal the starting job like two years ago if he was living up to the potential. Yeah, exactly. And I love the thing that he's been doing. He's developed so much late into this past year.

I'm okay with C, C plus. Could end up being a B, but it's a slow burner. And that's not what this team needs. Exactly. It's a C plus, but the story isn't written yet. Whereas some of these, the story is written. So Nika can still get up higher. This time next year, it could look better.

Killing Hayes, F. Fast as fuck. Let's move on. All I think about every time I see Killing Hayes is, I remember Kevin O'Connor saying he's the best player in this draft and being the Killing Hayes guy. So I always associate Killing Hayes or Kevin O'Connor. Not going to lie, I was a Killing Hayes guy, too, was all back in the day. A lot of people were.

I saw the potential. I understood it. You know, French, James Hardin, lefty, didn't work out that way. This is where that head scratchy comes in. It's like, you could have had Tyrese. You could have Tyrese. Me personally, back in the day, I was comparing him to Drew Holiday, bro. I called him a lefty Drew Holiday.

Defense is there. You know who else going to have Tyrese? Obie Topping at number 8, the New York Knicks, drafted a older win-now rookie who was ready to contribute, and then they proceeded to let him walk or three years later because he did not contribute for them because they did not give him a chance and then let him walk. So the pick wasn't bad.

The pick wasn't bad. The handling of the pick was moronic. What do we do with that? I give this a D because if you wanted to sign Julius Rangel the entire time in the offseason, why go ahead and force the hand and draft someone like Obie Toppan? Yeah, it was a bad, you know, Obie Toppan as a player, guess it could be minus. He's been a good role player. The New York Knicks picking him number eight was stupid all things considered, so I give that a D.

Yeah, I agree. And for Gageing how the five years went for the New York Knicks, he's on another team now. And I think he didn't he walk in free agency, it wasn't even a trade. I think it was a trade. I think it was a trade. I don't know if it was a trade. I don't remember at all, actually. That was a blank.

Either way, the handling went horribly. Speaking of my handling horribly, bro, the goddamn Washington Wizards and how fast they gave up Denny FDia. Well,

they traded him for a feature first. Actually, for a first in the last year's draft, right? Is that what became... Was it Kishon Georgia or no? Yeah, it was the Kishon George or was it a bub pick?

I don't know. One of those picks. One of those they got from trading Denny. The pick was... He really took a leap the end of the last year with the Wizards

and then this year with the Trailblazers. So he's a really good player. At the number 9th, pick that's a solid a minus b plus that's an a plus pick if you ask me because in my mind back then everyone had so many everyone knew that he was a great athlete had passion chops it wasn't there yet but what really was glaring was that he was so big and he had a great ability to get downhill and use straight force while also being able to do the little things outside of just simply putting the ball in the back just just getting good players in the in the building i'm going to give you

it's a yeah okay they sold high this whole high so they got value out of it at least it's an a yeah jalen Smith number 10 f tier clear that was a that's largely important hugely important pick for where they were and it was terrible that might be the worst pick on the on on this board so it's a sticks man and that one straight up should have been tyrie taliburton or even dev of the cell have been fine f we can start speeding threes now that's an f tier yeah the cell i go b b yeah he's not that great he's never taken a leap to being like a star but i think number 11 pick you can't have that type of expectation he's doing a good player he'll be a good player for a long time they gave him a listen they gave him a bag and at the at the minimum at this

point he's going to be a trade piece to go to go get him somebody else so yeah he's good enough so it's average value for the 11 pick yeah so b minus i'll say yeah he was right he was at fs you as well and he was a super long rindsy prospect i understand it he is the typical spurs pick back then the jump shot has been up and down it's been more up in the middle of his career, but it's not a bad big, it's not a bad big. Tyree's Halliburton number 12, A plus plus, obviously the steal of the draft. One of the bigger draft stills in a long time,

finding a top 12 player in the NBA as a number 12 pick. Outrageous value. Damn shame, the Kings had absolutely nothing with it. They traded him for DeMontesubonis, made one of the most boneheaded trades in a long time. That people convinced themselves a win now. Win, win. That was a win win. It was not bad trade.

They fumbled. But A plus draft pick. Good job, Kings. You identify the right talent. Yeah, you just got to handle the draft. I think much better. Yeah, I agree. All right, Pete, the Sacramento King's future.

13, Kira Lewis Jr. F, holy fuck, bro. Damn. I understand the logic. He does not like him. I liked him coming out of Alabama. Nice, speedy guard. You know, he had a great handle.

They were in need of that because, you know, I think they were just freshly getting off of Wanzo. Yeah, they just freshly got off Alonzo ball through the 80 trade. And they're now looking for their next Drew Hall of Air replacement. Trying to build up a core, he did absolutely nothing. and he's currently in the G League or D League Not G League Damn damn damn damn

Aaron Neesmith at 14 So Aaron Neesmith is obviously an amazing player He didn't He didn't, the Celtics drafted him And didn't fucking use him And then traded him as a throwin In a Malcolm Brogden trade So how do we gauge that?

Is it a good pick? I think it's a fantastic pick Because coming out of college again He was a sniper from hell He just didn't get much opportunity Because of health issues I guess this is a They had a mission.

I'm going to be just because you were able to get a solid player that then turned into bargaining, that then turned into other stuff. So, listen, again, you didn't use them, but also this is the 2020 settings where, yes, they are kind of like rebuilding him, but they were also in when now, like, 14 is. Was Gordon here? We're still here or no? No. No, no, I'll get this in A. They identified the right player. Again, they fumbled the post pick process, but they identified the right guy and they got value.

for him at least they got it turned into other stuff that got into a championship eventually we'll give an a yeah cole anthony c minus i mean he's still like on the team and listen they they have been looking for a point guard for the longest and out of all the shots that they have taken co- anthony's the only one that like continues to get any type of cole anthony won me a fantasy basketball championship when he went crazy at the end of 2021 he actually maybe the end of 20 it was before they got palo they got palo 22 Yeah, Paul was 22.

End of 2021, Colin Anthony had a crazy stretch to close the year when they were tanking. They tanked to got Palo, and he won me a fantasy basketball championship because I picked them up off waivers. A plus. A plus. Thank you, Cole Anthony,

for everything you've done for me in my life. You want me a couple hundred dollars. For being real, this is like a C or D. Isaiah Stewart, drafted by the Tribalages, but traded on draft night to the Detroit Pistons. Tough.

For 16th pick, he's a great role player. He's a perfect thing. That's a A-minus. That's a steal at number 16. Yeah, he's grown defensively. I know when you think of Isaiah Stewart, where you just think of, like, fist and all that and just without anger and aggression.

But he's actually a valuable player on the basketball court. Yeah, no, he's good. I had many top points in the past couple of years. He's been a better defender than Jalen Duren and giving them really, really great minutes off the bench. He's a big part of their culture shift, bringing back to bad boy vibes. Yeah. That's a solid A minus.

I agree. 17. Alexi Pocchevsky. Poku. Poku. You know what? On the surface, this is an F. He's not good.

He's not in the league. But, but, but he played a extremely important role. in tanking for Chet Holmgren and successfully got them to the point where they're now in the NBA finals and by the time you watch that they might win an NBA championship

built off the bloodsweigh and tears of Alex Pokoshefsky. Poku died for this is what you're telling me and if you're looking at it through the lens A plus pick the fruit that Poku bore

the Pekom Center that's the house that Poku built F but A in our hearts Josh Green to the Mavericks solid player that they didn't care much about long term but he gave him some good production.

Yeah, he's a solid role player who can give you like 15, 20 minutes a night. Can't get on Josh Green's game. Yeah, solid beat. Just a very, very solid rotational player. And for the 18th pick, that's what you should be looking for.

Sadiq Bay in 19. At one point it looked like it was a hit and then he fizzled out really fast, ended up on the hawks, ended up on a couple other teams. Tours ACL ended up on the goddamn Washington Wizards now, I think, and he's, no one's talking about him now.

D. He did have like the most random 50-point game in the NBA. Shout out March basketball. He did. Like back in the year 2020-21, he was like the fastest rookie to hit like whatever amounted three-pointers at the time. Skillability, just like super unfortunate career, D for certain. Precious Achua, drafted by the Miami Heat, I think, was it drafting on the Raptors or was that later?

I think it was later. Yeah, you're right. No, he started on the heat. Yeah. Wow, what a wild drive for Precious Achua. I can't remember what year he played for which team as a rookie. Played for them, played for the heat. Now he's on the Knicks.

being a the most important thing about Precious to right now is he's a player that fans point to and say we could try playing him that's a curve ball we can throw with him

he's always that guy in the back pocket that let's give him a new look Rick Carlisle has been trying to reverse psychology playing, playing precious

but I mean he's a he's a solid player and I think like just for that same reason of like hey maybe we could try precious tonight oh did he trade for Kyle Lowry

is that how we got to the rap I think it was a part of it yeah okay okay makes sense yeah Kyle Larry signed there, I think. He got a fat, Kyle got a fat ass,

but was it like a signet trait? I don't know. I can't. Yeah, regardless of the fact, this is not a good thing. Either way we slice it, this is a D.

Yeah. Again, another steal of the draft. Tyrese maxi and number 21. A plus. Probably D steal of the draft considering like where you, where you're drafting, I'm going A plus. And considering how much it did for the franchise.

If this team didn't draft Tyrese maxi here, after Ben Simmons flamed out with the team, hell whole. I don't know Joel and B would have. stayed there quite as long as he did if they didn't get this all-star injected in the 21 pick yeah i feel like every draft expert back in that he could have predicted this because he is the common kentucky guard who's overlooked because of whatever like skill that's lacking at that time whether it be his passing or defense yeah size too as well like hey man he answered all those

damn questions and he made an all-star team also a lot of people predicted he'd be good not everybody predicted he'd be an all-star if that was a case he even went top five so like yes he checks the boxes of fast small Kentucky guard that is usually good but he really really exploded through all the expectations 22 Zik Naji they decided to draft him

he barely played and they gave him a three year extension that is now absolute dead money and I remember when this was reported about his extension a few years ago Woj reported it by saying another successful development story for the Denver Nuggets

when there was no successful development in play they just gave him money to do it this pick led to the firing of the GM and the head coach of the Denver Nuggets going into the playoffs I'm giving it If they didn't pay him they probably could have kept KCP This is a disastrous pick All Things Considered and the butterfly effect

That led down from picking Zieg Naji F minus He's brought nothing but negativity to this franchise Sorry Zieg Leandro Ball Morrow Who? I actually do not remember what happened with his career He on Drop Night

Went to Minnesota Oh yeah he is a Minnesota pick Yeah I cannot remember what happened to him Yeah And for that reason Maybe it's a lack of ball knowledge I simply do not remember And I'm sorry

Yeah RJ Hampton Holy F Another F another guy Just didn't quite find a way To stick in the league Had some moments Some athleticism on some tanking teams

Yeah Didn't stick anywhere She was one of them AAU demons alongside Like Jayling AAU demons High hyper athletic That I'll play the get in the right way

Cool ass mix tape Flashy Yeah no It's just Typical F Resounding F Emmanuel quickly Okay, number 25.

Listen, I still miss Amanda quickly. Trade it to the New York Knicks. It's an A in my heart. But overall, it's actually like, it's probably like B plus though. Like, he was good. He was never the true point guard of the future that like Nick's fans were like trying to make. He got you OG. So.

Exactly. Again, the handling of the pick, A plus. Oh, I sold that peak value. I am so happy. Sell high. But he was, he was great though. He also was never able to like fully be point guard one. Because as he was rising, then Brunson came in, and so he started playing backup.

So I'll go B plus. Yeah, solid B plus. If you're not going to be a star at this point, you can't get an A, but for 25th pick, the value is great. 26, Peyton Pritchard. I'm going A. This is a slow burn for a while. He wasn't doing much. But now at this point, he's elevated to being one of the best shooters in NBA, the best six man in the NBA, one of the best backup point guards in the NBA.

Like, this is an incredible value now this many years later. And he's cheap as hell because they didn't use him for a few years, so he couldn't earn a lot of money. So they got him on an extension for pennies. What a great handling of a pick now I'm saying out loud This is the first special teams player in NBA history He's awesome

Yeah All those half four shots they hit Last year bro earned him A great reputation And gave him the runway of It's gonna be limitless opportunity Next year because Jason Tatum is out So a plus pick

One of the best picks True fan favorite too Two years ago If you asked me Who's a better pick Emmanuel quickly or Payton Pritchard It would not have been a conversation But now I think Peyton Pritchard

Is the better player Yeah exactly How crazy things change Azabuki Oh man F next forgotten pick Jada McDaniels

number 28 drafted by the Lakers on draft night betrayed to the Timberwolves Such an important pick for the Minnesota Timberwolves I forgot he went 28 A plus plus One of the best role players

in the NBA Outrageous value That's an amazing trade I don't remember what they traded up To get them but it probably wasn't a ton That is a fantastic pick I agree This is one of those picks

that you don't sit down and think about it, it didn't save the organization, but it saves them from a lot of mishaps happening going forward and help fill in so many gaps for this team. They get him and Anthony, where it's the same time, it's like you get Anne's Keeper, you get his perfect

defender to come help them out. What a perfect duo to get him once. Number 29, Malachi Flynn, to the Toronto Raptors. This is the most random 50-point game in it is. Yeah. Oh, fuck, it happened to me too. Damn, the Hawks. I remember that.

I remember that. you took the malachi hammer uh f d he had a couple moments he had some time again was part of their tanking endeavors

to get scotty barns yeah he was definitely one of those flyer picks like hey man undersized guard but the bag worked is fucking crazy I understand it

yeah pinned it up ended up being an F though yeah say much and last but at least not an F

Desmond Bain and number 30 drafted by the Celtics but traded to the Memphis Grizzlies another steal of the draft at 30

Again, the further and further you go down, it just gets a better steal and a better step. So it's either between him or Tyrese maxi as the best deal in the draft. This is, it's an A. The reason why he fell so low is because he was an older rookie at that point in time. And also, like, yeah, the arm is well scared a lot of fucking teams. And they didn't know how that would project us depending on all. But, hey, like, he's a fringe all-star, potential all-star, all-star, all the words like that. Can you combine those for me real quick?

He's a fringe, low-key, borderline, all-star potential player. Yep. And he is one of the guys, again, who's very much helped bring up this Memphis Greasy's culture. That's, I guess, no longer a culture anymore. But important pick for sure. No, he's great. Obviously, number 30 pick. They're not often this good as a player who can average over 20 points for game consistently.

Clear A plus. Yeah. There's a lot of steals in this draft. Yeah. Loki, not even low-key. Just a good draft. It's a great draft. And so Shane, the Warriors got exactly zero.

with these good players. Yeah, three all-stars. Four all-stars, actually. Yeah, that's damn near better than average, bro. And then a lot of good role players. Yeah, this is a very quality draft. I like this. Yeah, and for the fact that this was also the COVID draft

and, like, teams couldn't actually, you know, like work out with players. And it was just a different setup that you normally have. Shout to these teams. Shout out these teams. Next thing we're going to do. I'm going to name an NBA player, and I want you to tell me if they've ever made an all-

Star game. Oh. So these are guys obviously on the fringes can go either way to a mixture of yes and no in this so keep in mind

it's not going to be all yes or all no. I wonder how you guys will do it here. You got to lock in. Lock in. First name. Serge Ibaka.

No. Hell no. No. Hell no. I remember he got a fat ass bag from Orlando and they expected him to be the guy

fell on their faces. Hell no. I'm going no. He didn't do that. Correct. Sergei Baca never made an all-star game.

Yeah. It makes sense. The Thunder would never yes, they were great. They were never were going to get Sergei Baca into the All-Star game great.

Roy Hibbert. Yes. I think it was a two-time All-Star, too. Something disgusting. It wasn't even disgusting. Ray Hibbert was nice. It was disgusting.

They were deserving picks. Ew. Defensively, Roy Hibbert was like that. Exactly. The game changed on him. He was from a bygone era and it quickly changed on him

and his body gave up on him a little bit. But Roy Hibber had some valuable years doesn't run protector. I hate that you said the game changed because I hate it because it's a little bit true. It's a thousand percent true. He taught, when Roy Hibbert was at his peak, the entire NBA landscape

learned the term verticality. Yep. He birthed Rego Bear. If Roy Hibbert was drafted in 2000, he would have like five All-Star games. He would be a different player. Yes, he made one. Remember when he was on the Lakers?

I do. Guess what? The game didn't change already when he was in Lakers. The game had already been changed. Al Jefferson. Yes, he was an All-Lakers. Yes. He made two? Incorrect, he made zero.

What? He wasn't an awesome? Al Jefferson is probably the best, not an All-Star ever. We forget about that. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, and it's weird, right? Because it feels like he did. You guys so confidently he said yes? Yeah, I remember. I was doing two All-Star games on his resume. Yeah. What? What? You made that shit up out of thin air. He was never an All-Star.

I thought he did. I assumed he did. You know what's funny? He has an all-MBA selection. No All-Stars. That makes zero sense. What the fuck? Because Senors had to be on it back then. So, 2014, he was 13 on NBA by default. What was his averages? 21 points, 11 rebounds. Hooper.

Really, 22 and 11, 51% on twos, 20% on threes. Now, if you want to talk about Back to the Basket, he's such an underrated name. Again,

from a different era, from a different era. The game changed on him. Damn. Jalen Rose. Okay, this is, this is very,

because Jalen Rose had some years where he was legitimately good. Yeah. He had a lot of years when he was legitimately good. No, no, no, I'm saying like at that I'm going to say

I'm going to say yes I'm going to say he got to one A singular one Incorrect he's gotten to zero He did their most improved player But he was not an all-star in that season That stuff Ah damn

Yep yep yep No All-Stars for Jalen Roche It's a really good role player For a long time Chris Kamen Yes he was an all-star He was a goon For like a couple

For a couple years for the Clippers So crazy to say But he was a goon Donovan he was an all-star does Chris Kamen ring off on your goon scale he was 100% an all-star

two things one relax two he was a goon back then for the clippers I'm gonna I don't remember I'm gonna trust him

I'm gonna say yes yes Chris came in me what all-star game I would not call him a goon it was one of the one of the weaker all-star selections but he was an all-star

don't ever disrespect my ginger god ever again bro don't ever do that isn't his nickname like the janitor or something that's a trash ass nickname if that is that's crazy

it's the caveman on Bessel reference I'm tripping. I'm thinking about a Brian Cardinal. Yeah, Chris Kimman made it in 2010, 18.5 points, 9.3 rebounds. He shot 49% on twos. That's he. They don't make him like that no more.

How did he shoot 49% on twos as a seven-footer? I think he didn't shoot that much, but he liked to shoot a little bit. 49% on twos is crazy. Listen, man, do what you got to do. Shout out Chris Kamen. Lamar Odom. No. Yeah, I would say no

I don't think he ever made one He did not famously one of the best Not all-stars He did not make one Damn Feels like he should have Plenty of times He was because he was a Laker

He had the aura of an all-star for sure That is the Lakers tax is crazy Yeah a big Lakers tax For Lamar of him If he was in Detroit he wouldn't He was actually not one of the best All-Stars of all time But the Lakers or not he's just a good role

He's just dope He's just cool and it was a Laker And he was dating Kardashians Of people who's famous But like he's not one of the best Not All-Stars Yeah Like he's not better than

Jady McDaniels I don't think Like, you know, he's like that type of player. Maybe he was a better score, but I don't know. Yeah, I think David M. Danos is the bad guy. Yeah. No, no, he's that tier, like, really good role player. Yeah. Not one of the best of never making an all-star game.

Yeah. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm, yeah. I pulled Jayden Danos on my ass. Maybe that's not right. But to point stands. Dennis Rodman. No. Wait, I don't know.

That's a hard one. Even though that he made DPO. Did he make any All-Star games in the Detroit years? I'm going to assume. I'm going to assume that he either had one in the Detroit years or he had one in the second three Pete were there. Like, if he made one, I would assume it was in the 96 season, in 72 and 10. I'm going to give you a hint.

In 1996, he averaged 5.5 points. But they were winning 72 games. They were. I'm going to say, yeah. I'm going to say yeah. I'm going to say at least one for Dennis. He made two All-Star games, both in Pistons uniforms when he was a DPOA. Exactly.

That's what I assumed. He was DPOI in 1990 And second in DPOY in 1992 He was the All-Star in both those years Yeah, okay, that makes sense I'm actually surprised he didn't make it He was actually a All-Star in 1991 As well in between those two years

Because he won two back-to-back DPIs Was not an all-star for the second DPOI It's interesting A lot of that Because All-Star is in the middle of the season Yeah, like it always messes some stuff Also in that second All-Star year He averaged 18.7 rebounds

Damn He's a monster 18.7 rebounds That's insane Fred Van Vleet Yes he made a singular all-star He did I remember that that like vividly for sure

He got to one And last one on least Mo Williams Oh my goodness Yes a singular all-star I think he did make one Yep I'm saying yes

I don't remember who was with But I believe he was an awesome You should know who was with LeBron James got him to his All-Star game In 2009 when they won a lot of games And he got voted the second All-Star Because the team was good enough It was like 66 wins

Yeah, something huge He averaged 17.8 points And 4.1 assists Hey man, Hooper Oh man, that's a Super team man, why didn't you win? No, LeBron made an All-Star teammate That's what happened that year

Yeah, that's... It was kind of like how Shea got J-dub and All-Star this year But no, that is what happened But J-dub is better But the county stats weren't there He got it because the team was so good Because the Star was an MVP Same type of thing with Moved Williams

Yeah But at least J-dubs all NBA defense So there's that Yeah, Dwight Howard What could have been a Kobe LeBron NBA finals Choked. Damn, damn, damn. Mo, I believe you had one more TikTok for us today relating to Shea. Yes, I do. Speaking of Shea, I am going to have a list of point guards for you

right here on my device. And I'm going to ask you guys, would O'KC be better or worse with this player instead of Shea? Okay. So just replace him one for one. Nothing else changes. Yes, exactly. The same exact line of you got Lou Dork, Caruso, whatever the array is, iHeart, Chet, and J-dub. How much better or worse would this team be without Shea? Okay.

With this player. First player out, Steve Nash. They would be worse, just because Steve Nash isn't the score that Shea is. Yeah, the way the roster is constructed, do you need somebody that can carry a lot of isolation scoring load? Because they don't have a lot of other play finishers in that way.

So I don't think Shea... Like, Steve Nash doesn't have an Amarri Stottomire to finish picking roles with on this team. So it's not super well-suited for him. Okay, I like the play finisher's talking point because they do not have that at all. You're correct about that. Yeah, Steve Nash should be kicking it out to the corner, watching Ludo miss a lot,

and it would not be fun time. Hmm. Damn, I thought that was going to be, I thought that was going to be more of a pushback. Well, I mean, Steve Nash, you could say Steve Nash is better, but I think this team is like Taylor made for Shea. You're going to need a go-to score for this team. Otherwise, you're going to struggle a little bit. But if you put Steve Nash in this area where we've kind of like also empowered the,

true. If you, like, empowered the point guard to school more, he might be able to be, you like that go-to score, I still, I still do think it's going to be worse because Shea's like that good at scoring. Yeah. But it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be a crazy drop-off. They could also win 60 games with Steve Nash. Like, they would 100% still be really great.

It just wouldn't be better enough to where I'm going to say we can switch them out for She. Yeah, I think they would rely on, they need some level of elite ISO score and they would lean on J-D-Up a lot for that, which is not the greatest for our 82 game series. So I can't get you with you guys. Okay. That was close. That was close. Prime 2017 Russell Westbrook

Worse Shays better Not a hot take I'm sorry I'm gonna get attacked but I know we love Russ Russ is great Russ Watt would deserve his MVP It was for carrying

Not elevating to a 68 win level She's just a different caliber of efficiency as a player Do you not think Westbrook would be able to carry In the same light as Sharia? To 68 wins? Fuck no 68 wins is It is a lot

That's hard So I'm going to say worse, but I don't think that they would be bad. Yeah, they'd be a good team for sure. For sure, a good team. But we're talking about Shea taking them to the finals. And we're not having recorded this yet. They probably won the finals. We think that'll happen.

So, like, you know, it's a different level that we're talking about. I think Russ, he does fill in a few more gaps that Shay doesn't when it comes to rebounding. I think the change of the style of play would be a lot different with someone like Russ in there. Definitely. That would be a fucking all. He would be an All-Star would have a, yeah, he would, he would make Chet so much better. So I don't know. I don't, I generally don't know because if, if Chet's elevated naturally like that, I don't know, man.

Bro, she carried them to a number three offensive rating in the league. You're right. With only other prayer like a dribble on the team is J-Dob. The carry job Shade did this year is outrageous. Russ is damn near the king of carrying shit, though, as well. Russ is the king of carrying guys to dog shit. Averageness. We're not seeing Russ elevate solid role players

To one of the best teams in regular seasons in history Man That's a different skill set It's a different skill set But also having like just Ball Hawks like Lou Dora Alex Crusoe That's what I'm saying like With his help to

That's like I don't know No no go ahead say That's like that's not a complimentary Group of talent for Russ's offensive skill set Like I mean it is all they all you're asking The Lou Dorts And all that stuff to just

sit there and catch a shoot. They're not going to help off. So this team works because you cannot let Shea attack at single coverage or he's in a dicey up all game. So you have to let these guys get open. They will let Russ attack and single coverage and against a playoff defense. He will have to ISO score and it won't go well.

He would have to ISO score. I think it would go well a lot of times because he got checked there and you would have to see what I heart could not exist. He could exist on this Roger B's coming off the bench. So I think the opportunities for Russ to eat is there. I agree with that. But I also think the again, 68 wins is a lot.

So ultimately, I'm going to say, ultimately I'm going to say worse. I don't think that they would be bad, though, because the guy that Russell's playing with, like, that's, you know, worst team in the league type of roster without him. This Thunder team, even without Shane, you insert like an average point guard,

you still have guys that you can look at and be like, that's a DPOI candidate. That's, you know, a borderline, All-Star and Jada, whatever. So I'm going to say worse. but I don't, it's not a disrespectful worse. Yeah, I'm not saying to be bad.

They win 55, 58 games. They'd be a great team. They would be a lot easier to guard in the playoff setting. They would be a lot easier to guard to playoff setting. Yeah, they would be, but back then too,

Russ did still did have his jump shot. Now, Russ and Shea obviously is still the better three-point shooter, shooter in general, but that isn't necessarily a gaping. I think I like the consistency of Shea offensively and how he knows exactly how he's going to,

like, stealth you down. When it comes to Russ is a little bit more variance. Okay. Next, we have Prime James Hardin. Tough. It's tough. I think Prime James Hardin is better.

But it's tough because we're seeing Shea do what he never could in the playoffs and get over the hump and not have the variance that led to the Hardin downside. But then again, Hardin had to play the 17 Warriors. Shea hasn't. So I don't know if I can hold that against him. I think if you gave James Hardin. If you gave him J-dub and Chet and this much defense, Harding could do it.

Oh, my God. He could do it. He could do it. I think they could get to 68 wins. Yeah, I think they could be just as good. Yeah, and even wins regardless, because obviously, like, to get, actually, I can't even say that because everybody was hurt this year and, like, it really is on Shea, but they would, they would be as good.

Yeah. They reach the same heights of both. They can win a championship with both. But would they be better with Hardin, though? They might, they might just because. Because it's hard to be better than 68 wins than a potential championship. I understand that. But you have, you do have Hardin, who is a good score himself.

You still have all of the free throw attempts that you have with Shea. The playmaking from your point guard is an upgrade. And like they don't, they don't have, they don't really have anybody from anyone. Yeah. And so having that with Hardin, that's something that you don't have on this team and an element that they don't have. now the the interesting part would be how much does the defensive drop off because because then like the one thing that you need james to do or that you were asking them to do in terms of like guarding the post

you don't necessarily need that because you have jv you have chet you have you have four of the options that are much better in that so what does that look like i think we talked a lot about the playmaking of steve nash but didn't have the scoring bag james hardin has both i think prime james yeah they'll be a little bit better at james hardin it's hard to be better than 668 wins, the second best net rating of all time, the third best offense and the first best defense in the league. Yeah. You can't really get better than that,

but I think they would be equally accomplished and you could say slightly better with Hardin. Yeah, I think slightly better because he just gives some like Chet, who you guys have been clamoring as the second best player. In general, he should be the second best player as time goes on for O'KC. He will unlock the living fuck out of someone like Chet. Chet would average like 22, 23, damn near 25, all the catch and shoot three opportunities,

the vertical threat opportunities as well. that's the big thing he him as a deep he him as a backline defender still nothing changes as well i think that's what unlocking chet puts this okay c team with james hardin to another tier entirely that's fair okay yeah last player he got luca dantsich that's a hard one the current lucid dants say um last year when he was in the mbp bound putting up like 34 see that's that's very hard I have no idea what to do with that. I have no clue what to do with that.

Well, okay, so I said on Tuesday that I think, I think third place MVP Luca was better than Shea this year. Yeah. They're so close. Yeah, it doesn't translate 100% one to one. But I do think, I think that that version of Luca with that playmaking and that just shot making. still does a lot of stuff

and they play similarly too they attack in isolation in similar ways so you can still have the same style of offense I'll say yes better better I guess yeah you're right they do they do play similarly but that's but Mark Dagnall really requires his defenders to get out there I mean Mark Dagnon really requires his point guard to get out there

and defend and like be aggressive on ball screens is there going to be lost value there and putting Luca there instead of shame I mean 100% well the playmaking by you guard he won't guard anybody yeah but the playmaking is like tenfold. Yeah, I mean, I, the passing is tenfold, but Shea, in terms of creating shots was as great as anybody by scoring gravity and like getting people open and making the right passes. Like,

there was no, you don't really long for a better passer there. Like, She didn't give you any reason to be like, if we had a better passer, we hit another level. Like, he makes up for it in other ways as a driver of offense. I'm, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say yes. They'll be better with last versions, with last year's version of Luka. Yeah, it's not crazy. It's a tough convict. I think maybe just as good, so I'll say no, because I think you have to be actually better to get it, but I think they can be equally as accomplished. Okay. Yeah, I think, I think

having Luca there would either be equally as accomplished or better, but for this question, I'm having better. It's tough. And there we have it. If you're still here, comment that, actually, comment about that question, because I want to hear what you guys think about that. Would the Thunder be better with Luca or Shea as a point guard? Yeah. That is a fun debate.

That's a fun debate. Let's say James Hardin is clearly hard and we'll give him that. Luca's like right he's like similar to Hardin but different I want to hear about that debate with that being said we'll see you guys next week look out for the check out the comment interviews throughout tomorrow told you guys earlier let's do it shout out to your twin Isaac