The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Most Underrated Players In The NBA | Ep. 78

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

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Donovan, I feel like last week's episode was like Taylor made for you. The topic of the whole thing was like every NBA team's biggest problem. So basically it was like, let's go team by team and hate on some shit. This week, we're flipping in reverse. We're going to talk about the most underrated players in the NBA. We're going to get flowers. I think of love. positivity?

This one's tough. You're not built for it. All right. It's not my bag. It's not my bag. I'm letting you understand. It took me a while to prep for this one. I had to go down the list to see who's true.

truly underrated. You had to dig deep in your heart to go and find some positivity by each and every single player or team. Took me days. We're going to keep a diamond hater counter because he's going to find ways to hate in an episode tailored to positivity.

We've got to put a quarter in a swear jar every time he finds a way to do it. That's hilarious, right. If you're watching on YouTube, drop a like and subscribe. If you're an audio platforms, rate us five stars, leave a review, all that, follow us on our socials, yada, yada, yada.

Simple and plain. Today, we're all going to have 10 players We got to talk about as being underrated. They're ordered 1 through 10, so like the title says ranking. You know, orders, it doesn't really matter. The main point is we think these 10 players deserve more recognition. Today we're going to give it to them. The cranium is crazy.

Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. Pray on Eaters, rejoice. Before we get started on us, given our list of underrated players, the league. The jealous of the report that the NBA is apparently looking into their rules this offseason to think about if they've gone too far with offense. You guys been in the narrative for a long time. And apparently Adam Silver is finally agreeing and they can take a look at it. Look at Adam Silver. Let me clap it up for Adam Silver because I hate on Adam Silver a lot.

And this is something that even though that we've talked a bunch about where like yes, the score is up and there's like multiple reasons why. And it isn't just NBA players don't know how to play defense, but being able to, like, put rules in the game to make it feel a little bit more balanced, that's, let's get to do, like, numbers. And it's going to be massive for a lot of, I think, casual fans who look at the game, look at box scores, and you turn on, you know, you turn on games on Tuesday night, and it's like 140 to 142, no overtime, what's going on? These guys aren't playing defense.

Like, it's going to do a lot for the visual of the league. So I think if they make the right rule changes, this can be really good. makes sense what do you think about i agree um it's like looking back at it from like let's say 2015 i think there were about like 20 20

point per game scores that year and now all the way almost nine years later or whatever in the year 2025 2024 my bad there's 45 we fucking more than double that shit that is absolutely insane you know

folks off people like cam tom's out here giving 20 points per gallon existence basis and they're like, all right, this is a little bit too much. It's a little bit too much. We need some goddamn road changes. I understand it. It is more, the NBA generally is more skilled. That's just how things are when it comes to making an advancements in whatever part of your life it is. And like, I understand it. And I think it's a good change. It's a good change that needs to probably have them. Now, we'll see if there actually is a change. All it says is the NBA competition committee has officially begun reviewing whether the game has become too advantageous for offense and whether some changes need to be implemented to achieve

better balance. So we'll see if that looks like. I feel like the thing people go to a lot as like the obvious one that could change is removing defensive three and seconds in the paint. That makes the most sense, right? That wasn't a thing until the 2000s when they added it to try to make more spacing. It was like the express purpose was to drive offense. Now, you know, with the express purpose being the other way, it makes total sense to just remove that rule and go back to way it was when the sport was first started, you know, the way it is internationally. I like that a lot. Some of the other changes are a little too ambitious for me. Like, they're never going to bring back full-on hand-checking, right? Like, they're not going to allow that. What other

changes would y'all like to see that are realistic? I don't know. I think, like, the hand-checking one for me is one that I think can't, like the full-on hand-checking, like you said, I don't think that that's going to get back to it. But I would like to see some level of, like, physicality on the perimeter. I think, I think instituting that or, or, or making sure that it's like a point of emphasis to not call as many touch fouls on the on on on the outside that that could be good the other day right whenever this was reported I saw this picture of like the three point line being changed and so people were saying you know say goodbye to say say goodbye to the corner three and basically making the NBA court look like

an LA fitness court I don't I don't know if I love this oh that'd be awful I hate that yeah it'd be terrible yeah it would ruin the game no point of three crazy but no they would That would never be ridiculous. I mean, they've messed with the, they've messed with the three point line before. So it wouldn't, it wouldn't shock me if they came out. Well, actually, that I'd lie. It would shock me, but it wouldn't be like there is no precedent for messing around with the three point line in the NBA.

For sure. That was, I think that would ruin it a little bit too much. But I see what you mean. I also seen people say like, if they're not going to remove three seconds entirely narrow, make the paint more narrow like it used to be. You know, the day widened the paint back in the day. I think it was to make Kareem less overpowered so he couldn't camp out in the paint

They made it a They didn't change the all stuff So there's less space You know you gotta move out further When you gotta get out of the paint Yeah I can see that but I don't know This tweet pulled up as hilarious

Said the league removing defense In three seconds And we'll be sophomore year He's really gonna be the goat That's hilarious Yeah no This guy's gonna be amazing They do that

He's gonna camp out all day Yeah no I like that I like that idea I don't think then it's Necessarily to like completely get rid of it But I think instead of seeing it go from like three seconds, maybe take it to like seven seconds, double that time in five one plus one. You know what I'm saying?

I think that'll make a huge difference. I think Luca Donchich was on JJ Redick's podcast and he was talking about like how the level of difficulty it is to score in the NBA. And he was talking about how in the EuroLeague. Of course, I think you mentioned this earlier, Isaac, that you can camp out there as long as you want. And that's why obviously is just so hard. And he times it every single time perfectly in the NBA. NBA as soon someone's out of the paint to go time attack that motherfucker in front of you and just get to the basket and you can do that 90% of the time and with having someone be there

double the amount of time of course like I expect lucid don't just to still go ahead and do lucid things but you have to imagine not everyone in the entire NBA has that same eliteness in terms of making that read as quick enough yeah yeah it's interesting I'm really interested to see what their takeaways are because obviously there's a lot of outrage around like oh the scoring numbers are so high and like Donovan said the casual fan viewpoint is like they don't play defense these days so even though we know that's not true

and a lot of that is overblown from you know just like I said a casual perspective now I don't mean casual and insulting way I mean like literally they're not that into the weed so like how could they know I could still see because that's the common sentiment among casual fans which is how the NBA makes their money I could see them wanting to

you know try to fix that from that perception because no perception is reality for these fans that they want to make hardcore fans if they're not going to be willing to do that because they feel like there's no defense, maybe they got to make them not feel that way even if it's not necessarily a real issue. Yeah. And we've seen a couple changes like in the past couple years where like the like the rip through was was taken out. Trey Young and James Hardin's signature move where they, you know, they kind of like Joe.

They put someone in jail behind a back. Yeah. Exactly. Right. They get in front of you, jump back into you to get the foul. The take foul has been taken out. they've already taken steps to make it to make it one not as offensively oriented but also just for the flow of the game and so I think I think a lot that they can do is they can

implement a lot of rules from like FIBA from from like your leagues because whenever you watch those games and you watch international games and you'll see it this year I guess with the Olympics yeah yeah yeah so you'll see it those games go super super super quickly because the number of timeouts aren't the same right the three point line is is in all the all the rules are very different and the the game feels like a very very different game than what we're used to seeing on a on a normal basis so I think you can take a lot of what you see in the offseason and then we can go into next season have some some ideas one thing yeah one thing and I have no idea if this is offensive or defensive or whatever let's get rid of the the block charge I

And I've been, people were saying it at the end of last year and they've died off, right? Because people aren't jumping over everybody anymore. But I'm still standing out. Exactly. But listen, I'm still standing on it. I do not think that the charge, standing and taking a charge is not, that's not a basketball play in my opinion.

I think that they. Well, that hurt defenses a lot to take that out. That would make defense, that's a crutch for, defenses need that if you want to worry about helping them. And that's what I said. I don't know if it's offensive or defense. I'm just talking about rule changes at this point and I just had to get this off my chest.

We got to get rid of that because it's not a basketball play. It can't do it. Well, listen, that's going to add another 1.5 points to everybody's offensive efficiency if you take that out because now they don't got to worry about somebody rotating and drawing a charge, everybody's getting slammed on. Well, listen, if it means that we're forcing people,

if it means that we're forcing people who are 6, 10 and 7 feet to jump up and actually try and block a shot rather than take a charge, I'll be okay. You're going to ruin Big Jalen Williams's career? Oh my goodness, bro. One of the most disgusting things I've seen over the last five years of my life in person while I was hooping at a L.A. fitness basketball court, I saw someone attempt to take a charge while someone else is driving at the rim, bro. It was cowardly, disgusting. No life. Why do you do it? Who's calling the foul? There's no ref there. I don't know. It's embarrassing as hell. That's understand. That's Kyle Lowry's impact. That's what he's done. That's what he's. That's what he's. Imagine being out of LA Fitness and calling your own charge on the defense.

Shut up. Hey man, you charged me. Why what? Shut up. Grow some shame, bro. Gross some shame. But if a change was to be made in NBA and defense was a little bit more emphasized, something that I'm actually looking forward to happening is a certain type of archetype of

player being welcomed and accepted back into the league, widely at least. And I'm talking about like the one-way player archetypes who strictly are only like defenders. Jared Vanderbilt's of the world, he can get away with it because, like, he does a little bit more than just like straight up play defense, ball handling, playmate just a little bit and all that out of the shit. But where are the Andre Roberson's of the world? You know what I'm saying? I miss those type of guys. Europe. That's where they're at. That's just not going to happen. No rule change is going to make it so you don't have to be a shooter at all. We've come too far. NBA minds are too smart. No rule change is going to fix that shit unless they

take away the three point line. There was a clip. There was like a cut up this week of Andre Roberson highlights of him just yeah yeah this he was the last oh and d player it's a three-minute highlight clip of him airballing hitting the side of the bagboard and i saw this and instantly forgave kevin direct for leaving okay c i was like you had to get away from this my bad right because i forgot i forgot how bad the situation was when you're playing four on five offensively with this guy out there the funniest part is paul george could have joined the lakers with lebron but he decided to return to another year. We play with Westbrook and Andre Roberson. Oh my goodness. Do you know the hell

Westbrook had to go through, bro? His best shooters were fucking Victor Oladipo and also Kyle Singler off the bench. Dude, they had some bonus in the corner. Kill me, bro. Oh my God. So bonus was a spot-up shooter. Yeah. God. And time goes on. He got them to the 6th. Who was a coach? That Scott Brooks or was that already Billy Donovan? That was, I think that was Billy Donovan.

That Billy? Yeah, it was Billy How was that man employee? He put Sabonis in the corner Yeah Where does he have? No options, bro. Ennis Cantor

Stephen Adams Double Big Man lineup It did damage Let's get back on topic man So bonus in the corner Yeah, duh Disgusting basketball Did you imagine a bonus

The corner today? He hasn't took a three in fucking six years Well he took a three last game That he played against Miami And he actually cashed that bitch But nah That's actually bad basketball Maybe you should get back in the corner then.

It was bad basketball. That's enough rule changes. It'll be interesting to see what their findings are come summertime. Let's move on to talking about the 10 most underrated players in the league. We all have our list. One by one. I have two honorable mentions. Do you guys have any?

No. No honorable mentions. As of now, I do not have honorable mentions. Okay, I'll throw my own mentions out there first. These are two guys who I wanted to include, but I figured it was a little bit too nerdy and people wouldn't want to hear me talk about it at length. But I have my two honorable mentions. Simmons, Simone Fontechio, and Gigi Jackson. Gigi Jackson.

I love to hear that. Let's bring me into my ears real quick about Gigi, please. Gigi's awesome. I didn't put him on here. I ended up putting somebody else a little more notable because I figured he's not underrated. People just don't fucking know him because people aren't watching the Grizzlies

because why would you? Because all their players are fucking in the cemetery right now for the season. But in the last 17 games or so since he came into the rotation after all the injuries, he's got to proven that he's going to be a wing that's here to stay in that organization

once their stars come back and they need players to fill around them. He's shooting like 40% from three while being 6'9, being able to attack off the dribble, hit the rim, do all these things as like a supercharged 3D player. He was the, he's the youngest player in the NBA.

He reclassified. He came into his college year as like one of the most hype prospects but was terrible and very inefficient in his one year at South Carolina. So the NBA world kind of forgot about him. He fell to like 23 in the draft. But I think he's showing that like

he's going to be like a legitimately very, you know, useful wing in the NBA. And once John Morant comes back, Desmond Bayne comes back, everybody comes back next year, casual fans are going to look up and be like, yo, who the fuck is this guy that's like their third star in a couple of years? Where did he come from? Something that the Memphis Grizzies did an amazing job of is like, I think everyone knows they're one of the better teams as of late when it comes to drafting.

But they did have like a couple misses. One of the bigger ones was Zaire Williams, who was a top 12 or 13. pick a couple years ago and he's a complete miss absolute zero doesn't bring much to the game hell inconsistent and all that but finding finding that's him that's cat's crazy he played in sierra cannon no i don't great i love watching the high school bro or at least watching the high school highlights um but she started on jakel arabia who were going to have a whole mouthful yeah but them finding vince williams and now adding jiji jackson who's just like a whole another dynamic wing

after losing Dylan Brooks and having to like, you know, give Desmond Bandit for a role because of all the other types of things that he can do on the ball, fucking great job for them, bro. That's a W. Honorable mention.

Those two guys, plus their upcoming top seven pick or so, is going to change their franchise. Yeah. And I'm very happy that Isaac, you had Gigi Jackson as an honorable mention, Mo, that you just mentioned Vince Williams, because those are two of my guys,

and we can start there. And it's both of them? Both of them. Nice. You're disgusting. I love it. For the exact reason that Isaac said is that nobody's watching the Memphis Grizzlies right now. And once all the stars comes back, they are going to fit into their roles alongside Jha

perfectly. And they are the exact types of players that you want alongside Javaran. And so when you think about like the lineup and the defensive versatility that you can have out there with Jee Jee Jackson with Vince Williams, who is fantastic defensively, it's going to be amazing. And they cover up a lot of flaws that the John Moran has who, as soon as he came back, everything was like, oh, wow, the Memphis Grizzlies are back. Like, the offense was fine. It's going to be, it's going to be perfect.

And he, like, Jha, he's hurt. But in the, what, nine games that he played, I think we all kind of agreed. Yeah, he's a top 12 player minimum. Yeah, around there. Yeah, that's 15 at worst. Exactly. That's around where he's at. And so getting these role players in the, in the door right now,

Getting them experience of actual NBA games is massive. And their emergence also puts the Grizzlies in a great position because we talked about how this season doesn't necessarily have to be a lost one because they have their draft pick for next year. And so they're going to be able to retool and get a young player. They're ahead of schedule. They've done that times two already. So now they have flexibility to where, let's say that they continue to do

what they've. done over the past couple years, draft well, and they hit again on their draft pick this year. Now you're going to have three young players, a lot of flexibility, and a lot of trade assets to go out and get, you know, solid rotation players or solid veterans to fix legitimate holes that you need, right? And so for us, I think that we've talked a lot about the five positions, right? Their center position next to Jerry Jackson, figuring out how to replace Stephen Adams in that role. And now you have defense, you have

shooting, you have versatility, and trade assets to do all that. And that is because of G.G. Jackson and Vent Williams who are super, super young. And so, yeah, those are two of my guys on top 10 underrated. I'm kind of at the point now that I think they could afford to trade

mark as smart and whatever this pick is to get a legitimate upgrade at center, whoever that may be. I don't know who's going to be available. Maybe the cast laying out and somehow Jared Allen's available. Or Nick Clarkson's a free agent. Maybe that's they're targeting. There's been a lot of rumors about that. I think him and jaw are really tight. If it has to be a sign-in trade, I think because you have Vince Williams and G.G. Jackson, who long term can both be starters. Maybe not right away

for Gigi Jackson, but I think Vince Williams could be their starting three next year. I think you can afford to move market smart to get a really quality big. And then you can imagine a closing lineup that has Jha, Bain, G. G.G. Jackson, or Vince Williams, Jaron Jackson, and then whoever this quality big is. And that's an amazing six-man rotation. You still have Luke Kinnard who I think has another year left on his contract plus all the other guys they have there That is that's the making of a fucking amazing team. Yeah, they're eating they're cooking and they're they're set up next year to come back and be one of the best teams in the West Exactly one of my favorite things is everything happens for a reason Memphis grisiest fans are going to have the time of your fucking life next year Me too me too

I feel broke that video what Lucas was asking everybody at yeah yeah yeah that's hilarious shout out of the broadcast boys yeah man so those are my honorable mentions along with Saman Fantecchio

Donovan you said let's say you're number 10 and number nine are Gigi Jackson Invinciblyms just to keep an order yeah who's your number 10 Mo oh man my number 10 is kind of disgusting but I don't give a damn to Victor Wambiama

listen man I've been on board And I'm like At first around like When we did our top 30 player list I think maybe Isaac mentioned like He could maybe be a top 30 player But none of us really did it

Because we didn't want to have that Like we didn't want to put that out there yet Oh no listen Yeah yeah I did it in the off season I didn't even the off season There are so many players right now Who I'd rather have who I'd rather have

Victor Murama than them bro I'm pretty much putting them at like the talk 25 20 player range right now, easily. Conservatives, you ask me. Yeah. I made it on my personal show now on my channel, plug, the Isaac Gutierrez show. Episode two was titled Victim Women Yama is already a star. You just aren't paying attention.

So I've been on this. I've made the video about that, which was about three weeks ago now. I also made a TikTok where I said he was a top five center embedded in some bonus. And all the fucking 13-year-olds gave me an earful. It's like, oh, what a casual take. blah blah blah blah blah blah so much hype you're overrating him and the only reason i didn't do what you did and put him on my list is because i feel like over the last two weeks people are trying to realize that i'm right and like he got the five by five he almost did it twice in a row and people were

like oh wow he is a star i'm paying attention now so i assume now people have come around to it so i didn't do that but listen i'm i'm not going to argue you down for it i agree he's still plenty of people are still going to be like oh he's just a rookie too much hype he's just ball ball with clout you're right he's a legit star already all star level easily yeah no i mean i mean i have to think about i have to sit down and think here to myself like okay like yeah i see him the team is ass all rano but that has little to nothing to do with him and who he is as a player this tweet is ridiculous i can you read that a lot for the people have some shame please i forgot about that that was back in november yeah i'm not i'm not new to

this one be glad shit this man said every time i look over you're watching the spurs you're obsessed with them quote unquote end quote right there your girlfriend She said that for real. I didn't even make that shit up. She really told me that. He's like, you watch them a lot. Yeah. Are you upset for them or what?

It was November 5th. It was like two weeks into the season. I was like, of course I'm watching him. Yeah, no, you're on to some, bro. You were on to some and you're right for that. But I'm like here in Fiji Crown. I'm like, let me get back to my original sentiment. If he was on like a great team or if his team already had something built in place,

similar to the San Antonio Spurs when they drafted. initially, Tim Duncan, he could help lead a team to a championship. Immediately as like the first 1A, 1B option, whatever fucking way you want to put it. Whatever fucking way you want to put it. He could do that. But there's literally nothing around him. And like again, I said, I've been saying this entire time, Greg Popovich is actively sabotaging his rookie season and just how great he could be and also his team could be,

which is like smart in my opinion. I would be doing the same exact shit. Well, he stopped doing that. He's not sabotaging him anymore. that's why he's taking this leap and why we're all saying oh he's an all start already because Greg Popovich

stop starting him you never see Zach Collins starting anymore you never see Jeremy so high at point guard anymore because they realize okay let's make let's put Wemby to position

succeed you're taint enough we're gonna have a top pick let's let him thrive and he's been doing all this still on minutes restriction people pull out a lot of ESPN ass stats

where it's like rookies that average 20 points 10 rebounds three blocks and blah blah every time they do it it's just crazy because he's in all these conversations of like ridiculous accolades

for the start of your crew despite only playing 28 minutes for game for the season. Like whenever, if you look at his per 36 minute stats, he's averaging like 26 points and 12 rebounds and like 4.5 blocks. He's ridiculous. Yeah, man.

Listen, on Monday stream, I said, and I'm with Isaac. And I'm actually with both of you guys. I do think that he's underrated, but I didn't put him on my list because I feel like since the 5 by 5 game,

everybody's kind of been like, okay, this is kind of crazy. But I said on Monday stream, I'm calling him the avatar. Like that, that's, that's my thing for him. He is, he is the guy who's going to come and save the world from all the nastiest discourses of all time. Because it's so very clear that if he hits his potential, right, which is for him, just staying healthy and doing what he's doing.

If he does that, he's going to be the greatest player of all time. And it feels, okay. Listen, it feels crazy, obviously, to say that. But every single night, there is something that he does. that you've never seen before and his and his ability to his ability to to block shots to impact shots i mean he bro he took a step back three on kyle anderson after saw some he's seven five he made that man do that's crazy he's not supposed to be doing that and the fact that his three-point shot is mid in a good way right it's very it's very passable and he's still

this is the worst it's ever going to be it's not even mid anymore off the dribble he's shooting close to 40% on pull-up. He just can't hit spot-up threes on catch and shoot for some reason. But his pull-up shots are like 38%. He's like not mid-shooter anymore. That's crazy. But like, yeah,

Mo's right. This is the worst he's going to be. And I think we should all just get on board now. This guy is going to be the face of the league, the dominating force of the league for years to come. And so you can either be on time at this point or you could be late. Yeah. And if you're somebody who's getting mad at me in the tier list for saying he's

better than Sangoon, I hate you and you're wrong. Yeah, no, they're terribly wrong. I'm ready to go ahead and say this dude is probably a top three center in the NBA right now. Well, not top three because we have three stars. He's not better than Yokic and being AD, but right after that. Oh, I forget, 80 is a center as well. Right after that, he's there.

Yeah, for sure. He's definitely in that next year. Listen, by this time next year, I'm not sure he's going to be outside the top three. Exactly. It'll be impossible. This time next year, I don't know. It's going to be spooky for Anthony Davis. Yeah, I agree.

But, I agree. Who's next on your list, Sajic? I'll go my number. number 10. Let me open up. No, I'll go somebody. Let's go another popular pick right away. Okay. I'm gonna go Trey Young. Ooh. Okay. Yes. I put this at 10 because this is another one that's like, yeah, he's underrated, but he's a star, right? So like, underrated only mean so much. But, you know, there had to be a whole media PR campaign of outrage for him to be selected to an all-star as an alternate when he should have been there to begin with. He has

been taken for granted by the NBA media world because toxicity, daily news cycle of first take ass TV conversations has let people believe that he's just like this selfish ball hog that only gets numbers and can't win and all this bullshit because the team is in a terrible job of building young core around him they've missed on key draft picks they traded for a point guard doesn't fit with him coaching mishaps along the way all these things has led to the hawks fumbling what looked like a promising rebuild and instead of analyzing these reasons to why they failed as an organization you just have these people up here i don't know i don't know who's the talking case is the top of the tray young hate train i don't know stephen a smiths

always easy to say he's a whole lot of people at the ringer let's say that yeah you got bill simmons up here like i don't know man i just don't think he got it i think it's empty stats and everybody runs with it it thinks it's true the narrative is stuck and it's never going away until he wins a championship okay sounds like you listen to a lot of bill simmons bro we were we were talking about this is before we started there's nobody in the world who is better at giving impressions on a one second notice than isaic i think just straight off off the dome, he's just thinking your impressions are fantastic

because that was a generational talent, I don't even know. That was a generation. Even if it's not, I would have felt like I was in awesome. Yeah, if you look at a picture of Bill Simmons and rerun that voice, oh my fucking God, that has to be Bill Simmons. That's your talent.

The thing is, though, I can't do it a second time. If I try to do it again and think about it, it's going to be horrible. Straight into this. He's been dating for granted. He is one of the most talented players to ever be like a tour or three-time

all-star, whatever he has. His production from this point of his career this early through like five or six years is ridiculous. And I'm just praying the hawks get it together so we can stop pretending he's some like, I don't even know who to throw out this comparison to not get disrespectful. But people act like he's a lot worse than he really is. I'm praying that he goes somewhere else because the hawks are not getting it together. And for him, for him to receive the flowers, he's going to have to go somewhere that already has either a good infrastructure or he can pair up with another legitimate star because yes the first take media stuff that like that happens there are also limitations to having tray young as your like number one guy

center in the offense you know so there are like a couple reasons why they are mid but he needs he needs help legitimately and so he's going to have to go into one of these really really good situations for him to step up yeah i think he shouldn't be the best player in his team but that's not to say he's not like great right like i don't think that to be finishes him. I think he's, I think in our top 30 last, we did it around Christmas time, I put him like 25. And that's also because he had a slow start to the year. So maybe I was dingham a little bit, but like, sure, he's the 20th best player in the league maybe at the high end, 25th on the low end. That's a legit star that should be an all star most years, especially

in the weak-ass east. But I think he should probably be paired with a top 12 player or so that can be a go-to score that doesn't have the size limitations. Like, we talked about a couple weeks ago that we want to see him on the spurs when those trade rumors came. Him and Wimby would be amazing. I would love to see that. Like, that's exactly the type of player he needs to be paired with. Yeah. I can agree with that for sure. I don't think anybody should take that, hear that, and take it out of this light

because only, realistically speaking, like, eight people in the entire world have the ability to be the number one option on a championship team. And from, like, 9 to 15, sometimes it's just, like, simply not good enough to be that. And that's, like, that's completely okay. but to be a high level second option at times look like the number one option that's who trey young is not a lot of people will be willing to go ahead and give him his powers or notice and like have the ability to just internalize how good he is until he's out of Atlanta you tell me this band's been in the league for six years and you've only found him one foundational piece and it

wasn't until over the last six seven months this tweet is crazy on no our March 1st, 2019, I tweeted this. It says Bill Simmons watching Tray Young prosper. And it's a picture of Hank Hill pissed off. I forgot that Bill Simmons is the famous Tra Young hitter. Yes. Yo, every morning he had... I do this is a 2019.

Every morning. This man wakes up. Bill Simmons wakes up. He's like, yo, everybody's starting off the ringer meeting. Hate on Trey Young. I don't give a fuck. If it's true or false, spread negativity. For the audio listeners, is there a 2021 version?

Facts. On January 23rd, 2020, I tweeted Bill Simmons the second he saw Tray Young make an all-star game. It's a video of somebody screaming. Yeah, I know. Any Tray Young positivity articles do not get passed on the ringer, bro.

They don't get pushed at all, bro. They don't support that shit. That's hilarious. Empty stats, man. He's ridiculous. It's disgusting. That's funny. But shout out Bill Simmons.

It's my good. I haven't watched him in like seven years, but he's the reason I got into sports media. So shout out. Listen, he paved the way still. We have to send our respects. I agree. He's over the hill.

We have him in the retirement home over there shouting with his cousins or whatever on his podcast. But at one point, he was the goats. That's hilarious. Who's your number 10, Donovan? Oh, no, I forgot. You gave 10 to 9. Who's your number 8? All right.

We're going to continue on this path of giving players who are actually really good, but we're just calling them underrated. I'm going with bam out of bio. Oh, okay. I think that's interesting. Because at this time next year, and even going into next season, the i'm anticipating all the talk to be about victor women now and how good he is and how high he has jumped up the center rankings and in that he's going to be above bam out of bio and i think that exactly and i think that after that happens like mainstream wise and it's kind of um and it kind

of just like accepted my goodness i'm sorry nichols out here slander in my name in the in the production group chat. But after that happens, a lot of people are going to take BAM for granted. They're not going to appreciate everything that he's doing because offensively, his passing has gotten better. He is averaging the same amount of points, but he's been very, very good offensively. He continues to take leaps and steps forward to be better. He's still one of the best and most versatile defenders in the NBA. And so even next year, whenever we're looking at Vick and like, okay, is he four, is he three? Let's not lose sight on how good BAM is because the heat have had a lot of rotational issues this year and BAM has been a very big reason as to why they are still,

you know, one of the teams that we think we can look up in June and they're going to be in the finals. A thousand percent, right. I think a, at least a trend for my list is defensive-oriented players because NBA fans as a whole have a very hard time, like appreciating defense, I'll say, because, you know, statistically in the NBA, all the number. that I have been prioritized, which I guess is an issue of the early days of basketball and how the box score was calculated. All the numbers that we could look at and talk about are offensive oriented besides blocks and steals. Other than that, it's just a sport that is easily quantifiable offensively, but defensively, you have to really watch to see somebody's value

and really have to watch with like a viewpoint of knowing what to look for. Most people will just like don't care enough. So because of that defensive players get taken advantage of a lot. And I think people always say that Draybong Green is a litmus test for how kind of NBA fan you are, Bama out of Bauer's right up there. He's the same type of player that does a million small things defensively that aren't blocks and steals right, but he makes every play defensively easier for all his teammates. He's always there to help somebody gets beat just like the perfect defensive player

you want in a team defense. Yeah. Yeah, so he's the love to hear that. I love to hear that. Yeah, I can completely agree with that. All right, what is this? Oh, my God. Look at the last few.

The reason why I'd rather have him on my team than any. Oh, so listen, listen. Listen, look at the date of this. When did this happen? September 2020, all right? This was, I believe, the bubble. This was the bubble. And I watched Joe and B.

put up the most atrocious performance ever. Now, yes, this is Ben Simmons wasn't on his team because I think Benson was hurt at this point in time period. And I added this point in time, I was just straight yapping. All right, you click on the link. Oh, God, you can't find that video anywhere.

This tweet, I got to delete it now. All right. by the time this episode comes out you're not funny bam I told you it's not fucking there anymore I scrub this bitch clean and now by the time this podcast episode

is not showing up that's hilarious while you're listening is a tweet where Mo said performances like these are wild rather have bam on my team any day over Joelle and Bede yeah exactly

and that time period was just absolutely disgusting and the conversations happening around Joe and Bid was just down to toilet yeah I understand that this is pre- MVP league too so dwell and be considerably

considerably improved since then Nikiel is an op right now, bro. He just quotes you that. He just quotes you to do that. He acts like I can't delete it. I'm doing it right now. That's hilarious. I'll go to the next player on my list.

Let's transition a little bit away from Stars. Yeah. I'm going to go a step down but still a real player. Aaron Gordon is my number nine. Yeah. I am obsessed with Aaron Gordon The more I think about It's probably my favorite role player in the league right now

Much Probably Every time we have conversations About teams that can't get to the rim Aren't physical I'm always like since the start of the season I'm like they need an Aaron Gordon Every contender needs an Aaron Gordon

He is the perfect player That makes the Nuggets the contender they are You know much is made about They don't have a backup center In the playoffs that shit doesn't matter Because Aaron Gordon is your backup 5 For the 12 minutes that Jokic isn't playing in the starting lineup, right?

Yokic isn't the strongest defender in the world. He's gotten better. He's really smart. He's not really negative anymore. But when they first got him, they needed a strong defender there. Aaron Gordon has weak side protection. Aaron Gordon is the best,

what's the word, power wing defender in the league, I think? The type of guy you want to defend Kauai Leonard, that type of thing. The ideal guy for that, while being able to play up big, you can defend wings. Offensively, he is having a terrible shooting season right now,

but we'll ignore that. But he's great at being able to attack mismatches with his power, right? he has the experience when he was younger having to beat the one option doing stuff with the ball in his hands quickly learned that's not him right he's not lebron he can't play like that but like we saw in the playoffs last year against miami when they need him to he can attack a mismatch and pull that out and come up with clutch shots i'm just naming all he's a good passer right i'm just naming all these things he can do he's just like the perfect swiss army knife that can play any role this team needs from him

and just the ideal player you need nexus stars who are going to do their role all the time i a thousand percent agree and he's like the perfect archetype for what a lot of teams typically try to look for when it comes to building around a young star point guard or a star center some do it all some do it all powerful you can do a hell of a lot of other things and erin erin gordon has had like a lot of those reps and he had those training rules on back when he was in orlando and they're trying to turn into someone like palo ban caro now and he just wasn't that wasn't that and he didn't have that in his bag but he could do a lot of different things he had a a lot of good stretches of shooting but he was never like a consistent shooter

had a lot of good stretches of being like a good passion facilitator back when he played with victor deepa but he was never truly that and over here delegating a lot of those roles and asking him to do those things in glimpses is like perfect for him and who he is and he helps He's probably the third most important player on the Denver Nuggets if you were to ask me right now. Easily. He's the archetype of what the Cavs, I mean the Cavs. He's the archetype for what the Hawks drafted DeAndre Hunter to be, what the Bulls drafted Patrick Williams to be. All these guys that get drafted as being big wings, they're like, oh, maybe one day they can be Kauai.

The teams know they're not going to be Kauai. But they're hoping he can be Aaron Gordon, because that's a realistic outcome for the type of guy that you give him on ball reps early in his career. But then when they realize it's not him, you make him focus. on his strengths as a supporting player and he can use that experience to just amplify that be the best version of a role player. Aaron Gordon looks like

he should be a zero and D player. Like he's just built so strong that like that you look at him and you're like, okay, there's just no reason for you to be somewhat schooled offensively. Like I see you on the floor and I know what you're here for. You are here to make the game muddy to do all that.

And the fact that he can do some of the other stuff is like like Isaac said like that versatility is crazy I think I know why you're saying that it's because he's built like Kenneth Reid now he has the dreads so he reminds that's hilarious oh my god the man of why

I miss him I don't think you would have said that pre-dreads I don't think you would have probably not well listen his three point shot sometimes be looking very Andre Roberson but so this year has been rough but previous years he's fine there's still some of that so maybe

maybe that's where it's coming in but yeah the fact that he can do a little bit of everything. I agree. He definitely is the third most important player on this team. Yeah.

And listen, defensively, the second most important player, right? Like, in many ways, he is not... Easily. So their ceiling is defined

by Jamal Murray because, you know, he turns into God in the postseason. But like, on a game to be in basis on a regular season, like,

I would, especially when he's not playing good teams and he doesn't have that super sane level up, I'd argue he's just as important as Jamarry on most nights. Hmm. Interesting.

Okay. Obviously different ways, right? I think that's fair to say. Go towards a score, but yeah there's defense the whole other half and sadly that half isn't as paid attention to or valued enough through the stats or anything like that and um damn this is kind of disgusting i said my underrated starting five jamal murray gary garris who at that time was actually i mean you picked good players yeah this is a good one of 18 yes yeah chris middleton was a god

i remember back then he was slaying the celtics bro he shot he put up insane numbers back in them days err gordon and dario sarge look at this a good list i know ball back down, bro. No one ball. That's a good 2018 list for sure. I was in my bag. I was in my bag. But to stay on topic in terms of like this archetype of player, going back to the Atlanta Hawks, you said that they drafted DeAndre Hunter to be that caliber. No, they really just saw like Kawhi Leonard like you just said. They wanted him to be that two-way God. But the accidentally stumbled into their way. Jalen Johnson, who went to Duke, of course, and he is in the exact same mold as Aaron Gordon. I think of these like,

super strong athletic tall wings who aren't the best shooters necessarily but can give you that defense have some passing chops on in their bag and also have the ability to push the pace and navigate an offense at times and stretches too basically like a 50 50 year old version of lebron james that's how i think about it just way worse version lebron at everything bro that's what you are exactly um jalen johnson goes crazy is my his player as well Boom! There we go. He's in the exact same frame. He's the exact same lens as someone like Aaron Gordon. And I think he's just like a lot. I don't want to say he's a lot more talented than Aaron Gordon. But it seems like he'll be able to thrive as this archetype a lot longer because of how young he is. Of course, there was a couple of years that he missed on on these opportunities. But now that training is out, he will have fucking disguise potential. And he, in my opinion, I could see him turn into like a borderline 20 point per game score. towards the end of his career if he was on his tributary yeah again i have momentless as well for all the same reasons right he's the ideal power wing to play next to a guard like trey young

and he's the reason that dejante murray was available to deadline because they saw that this guy can step into that role we need and dejante is expendable we can find somebody who fits better replenish our death and whatnot he's the godsden for them without him their season will be lost yeah yeah this would be the deep two instead of the deep three if i didn't have him my team for sure if there's any hope of of tray young staying in Atlanta if they have any hope of like actually rebuilding this team it's going to be because they have

Troy Young and Jalen Johnson and if he didn't miss if he didn't miss a whole bunch of games at the start of the year he probably win most improved player it would either be like if we're talking about in the spirit of the award I know Tyrese is having a fantastic year he's probably going to win it but if we were actually talking about what the award really is about.

Jaylon Johnson is up there for sure if he didn't miss those games. Yeah, he'd be in the running for damn sure. Yeah. Again, 65 game rule. But here's what it is. There's plenty of other people that could win it. So this is the one I'm super mad about,

but do you guys think he can be an All-Star? I think he definitely could be. Or at very minimum, he could be an All-Star replacement. I think that may be the conversation for him because I don't know if he'll ever be popular enough to go ahead and do so. Yeah, I don't think he'll get to the point to be a consistent All-Star,

but I can see him sneaking into one one day, maybe, if things break right. Yeah, I mean, if there's an all-star game in Atlanta, what's there might be towards the back half of the 2020s, he's going to be an all-star, for sure. He's definitely a borderline potential fringe all-star. That's the category that I haven't been in it. If you know, you know, oh, my God. That's what I is.

Donovan, who's your next player? My next player is Mr. Grayson Allen. Oh, same. Oh, my gosh. We are here. Grayson Allen has been fantastic for the Sons this year. And listen, he's almost a 50, 40, 90 with the way he's leading the league in three-point percentage right now. Grayson Allen is playing the third most minutes on the Sons. And with Bradley Biel coming in and out in and out the lineup, having that third scoring punch, having somebody who can also space the floor with KD and Book operating in the mid-ranged, the way that they do, right, opening up, driving lanes. He is so crucial to everything that they do. At the trade deadline, people were talking about, you know, the Sun's making moves. And there was rumors of, you know, maybe Grayson Allen would be moved. And Suns fans were irate. They were like, you cannot trade Grayson

Island. And it was warranted because he is, he's been so, so good for them this year. And I think that, like, when you look at the Suns, they're obviously top heavy. You look at their big three. And sometimes even Yusuf Nurkich might get a little bit more recognition just because of his like he's been he's been around you know him he played with dame for a long time grace and allen is that guy on this team and he's very very crucial oh yeah the diondrey in trade is what it was labeled as this shit was the grace now in trade he's been the most important player for either team if they didn't have him they would be so detrimentarily well detrimentally down bad yeah facts they had outside of him their sporting

players are like eric gordon keda bates diop utu wadan obi all these guys who are no longer on the team besides eric gordon who has just been whatever Without him for those early days when Bradley Bill and Devin Booker were hurt and Katie had the team on his back If they didn't have Grayson Allen there being a flame door They would have been in such a big hole we would not we'd be talking about them a lot differently especially at the deadline One I 110% agree he saved their season Which is crazy because like it's and it's Grayson Allen right like you know like you wouldn't think that he was that he would be the glue that's keeping the Phoenix Suns together and now They might not even be in the play in when when before

I mean, we had an episode where I thought that they were kind of cooked because they were sliding they were losing games like back to back to back and I thought that they were for sure going to be a playing team

and now it's looking like like that's not going to be the case and it's all because of And it's all because of Grayson Allen That's tough man He deserves 100% of the credit And I hate giving him credit so much I hate giving him credit

bro because he's a scum around the NBA or at least that's like been his known thing since he has been back at Duke as well, but yeah, he's been, exactly, bro, he's aging so fast, bro. I don't know what it is, but he looks like 40 already, bro. God damn. But anyways, aside of that, like his game has been immaculate for them.

He has been the saving grace for their season. I don't know what they would have done if he wouldn't, if he wasn't performing up to this level, this standard. If you're the Milwaukee books, it kind of hurts CNN play like this after you play, he put up like an insane shit performance throughout the inconsistency. last year but yeah like he he's he deserves to be on those this he's one of the most underrated players in entire NBA wasn't granted a three point three point shooting contest slot which is insane to me but who cares no one's gonna remember at the end of day but he

definitely deserves to be on that list bro yeah um my next player oh you want to go ahead next go ahead let's hear you're trying to skip me you're trying to skip my ass my next player is mr jaden ivy mm pistons love we love to hear it yep I told you Simone Fantecchio was an honorable mention of mine because I replaced him with another business player, Jaden Ivy. I think people forget about him. He had a strong rookie year, right, with Cade Cunninghammer at all year,

and people kind of viewed him as one of the more promising players in the draft class. This season started, Monty Williams decided to just put on... Relax, relax, relax. You were about to go crazy on it. Monty Williams did a war crime, and he decided to bench him and making the 13th Maddenor's rotation

to start Killian Hayes, who was currently playing for the same team as you and I. And it was just a ridiculous asset deployment that, again, was at risk of ruining J.Nivey's, you know, career development path, hurt his value on the trade market. So if they were going to get rid of him, putting him at 13th in rotation, it wasn't a way to fucking do it. But since then, somebody in the organization told him, you can't be doing this. We should probably play Jaden Ivy more. And he's talked about this, that he had to be given a nudge from somebody else in the team.

He's since given a minute. He's back to being the starter. And he has been incredible. he is incredibly talented has been on a heater over the last two months and to me is at the point where he is almost equally as valuable as kate cunningham to his organization i think i think he's going to be a star guard as well absolutely i 110% agree he's been the most positive outlook on their season uh outside of that like detroit hasn't been they haven't had much to like be super happy about kate has been a lot better as of late specifically but throughout the entire

tenture of the season, Jaden Ivy has been the shining light. You see him, you see shades of several like former all-star, even current guards in his game because of the explosiveness, his ability to finish at the rim and just the type of burst that he has is, it's not rare to see in today's game, but the type of verse that he has at the size that he is, which is like six four, it's pretty impressive, bro. Yeah. Over the last 32 games since he became a full-time starter again, 17 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists, 39% from 3. Last year, he was at 6 assists per 36 minutes because, like I said, no Kate Cunningham. And I think that's closer to his real play making ability. He's a legit solid passer because of what you said, that burst and that

ability to create rim pressure is just something you can't teach, right? And like, it bears itself out in like every measurable way. He's 90th percentile in shooting foul drawn rate. He can get to the rim, cost pressure, make you foul him. And because of that, the team gets to the rim 5% more with him on the court. And all their transition numbers skyrocket. Like for a team that's so devoid of talent and ball handlers outside of Kate Cunningham, his ability to create penetration and kick out the shooters and whatnot, which, you know, they don't got a lot of shooters, so it hasn't led a lot of wins. But when they do have more shooters around him, that ability to create offense for himself and others is like completely crucial to what they do.

This guy was on the bench, man. That's, that's ridiculous. He just like, he just wasn't, he just wasn't playing. That's wild. He's, bro. He's 92nd percentile on drives per 75 possessions and 92nd percentile unassisted rim field goals. Those are numbers that are per 75 to make up for the playing time differences. But that's elite, elite numbers already for a guy who's in year two

and playing with another ball handler with no spacing around him. I'm sad to say, Isaac, but the crowneers at home cannot like quantify what you just said and put it into a picture. But that just means that he's really fucking good in translation, bro.

He's really fucking good. Really fucking good, really fucking fast. Gets to the room really fucking well. Exactly. Exactly. He's a great player. I guess we can move on to my next player. Man, I have been a known hater of this player, partly because he was a former player of one of the people here on this podcast. And it's RJ Barrett. God, when you think about the word mid, in my head, if you look up that with the definition of word mid alongside the Atlanta Hawks, you see a picture of RJ Barrett. That's who he is. He's just okay at everything. You don't really. think that he has great qualities or anything like that but he's but at the same time he's not necessarily like terrible um rj beard has been the complete opposite since opposite of that since he's been a torn raptor i think it's been i don't know 20 30 games or whatever since the trade happened yeah 21 games since the trade happened and he's been a completely different player and i

believe a lot of that has to do with just the system that he's being a part of right now of course New York is known to be a heavy ISO team. That's what, that's Jaylon Brutts his bag, Julius Reynolds bag. And someone like Arjured, in my opinion, he's just not conducive in that environment. And when I see him, I think that he makes complete sense in a system that Toronto has because he gets a lot of his buckets in a very dis, in a very organized way, meaning like the ball is constantly moving.

And he catches the defense while they're unorganized, while they're disorganized, while they're disorganized and that's the best way to use him he's shooting like 60 something percent at the rim which is immaculate shooting like 38 percent at the three point line while he's been a Toronto Raptor and he's been a completely different player who literally looks like a staple of their starting lineup yep and I'm crazy yeah I'm very happy that that you said this that you said RJ because he was also on my list and it's for the exact same reasons it's for everything that that you just said and one of the main issues with RJ as you know as a as a new york nick was especially like this season when you had brunton when you had randle

you know who your two stars are and their play style is very ball dominant it's very isolation and so for rj who couldn't really figure out like where his role where he was going to get his buckets he was kind of relegated to you're going to get your buckets at the at the rim and you're going to get them um be behind the three point line because brunton and randum are going to be down there, especially if you're playing with Mitch Robinson. There's not a lot of space to operate for RJ. That's not the case in Toronto. And he's finally making shot to the rim.

He's finally knocking down his threes. And that's just opened up everything. And whenever this trade was made, I think I was very, very excited for what Emmanuel quickly was going to do alongside Scotty Barnes. I thought that he was going to be the one to take a leap. And it's been the other way around. RJ's been the very, very consistent one. He's been the one who's taking a step forward.

And I'm happy for him. He has the home cooking going for him. And right now, right now, because they're in Toronto, obviously, like, and they're not really in the playoff conversation like that. I think we can look up at the start of next year and be like, oh, wait. Like, is there something? Like, is there another spark that we didn't realize to this RJ Barrier thing? So, yeah, he's definitely underrated right now.

Yeah, this is the first time in his career. Okay. Okay, so league average, true shooting percentage, which for those who don't know, true shooting, essentially does the math so what would happen if every shot was worth the same, you know, three-point shooting is worth more and frithos are worth more, it basically evens that out. And it gives you credit for being good from three in frito line, you know, measures your total efficiency. A league average is like 55%.

He's never been above 53% for a season, but now he's at 61 since joining the Raptors. So he's just night and day, like a much more efficient player going from like one of the the least efficient wings in the league to like legit elite scoring numbers it's kind of crazy honestly for that like harsh of a turnaround over a sustained period yeah and i think you're out of rj and bro yeah as you should be right like he showed nothing yeah garbage as a score as soon as he was traded a lot of all the attention you're right donovan like you said earlier was all towards emmanuel quickly and what this means for him in his career alongside scottie barns but rj bird is just his success is just as important as emmanuel quicks is gonna me i mean not justice but just a little

bit more he's on the same territory um and it just goes to show how important game plan is and system is for certain players rj barry can do iso things once in a while of course but like that's not necessarily how you get your bang for your buck and maximize his potential and their head coach over there do throwing pizza parts and shit like that bro i hope r j barrett gets extra slices because he fucking deserves it pooping his ass off license A hundred percent That's just slices This is hilarious

He does He does deserve pizza He deserves a lot of it Yeah That's hilarious Domio Ganesh player Yeah We're gonna go back to Detroit

Because another person That you had on your honorable mention Is on my list And that's Simone How do you say his first name? Is it Simone Fontecio I think it's Simone

Fontecio That is my guy Listen, listen, this guy is fire. He's great. He's great. He, like, the best way that I can summarize watching him is he's always doing something. He's always around the ball. He's making shots.

He's making plays. And for a role player, I feel like that is one of the very key things that's honestly very hard for a lot of guys to be impactful, even when you're not, like, a high-level score like that. Can you just be around the ball? Can you be the one and be like a good connector making plays? In Utah, they had a very, what, democratized rotation, right? He wasn't getting a lot of, he wasn't getting a lot of minutes.

Since being traded to Detroit, his scoring has gone up. He's averaging over 15 points per game. His shooting is up. He's been fantastic. He was going crazy last night against the Bulls. He is just a very, very good role player. And for the Pistons, for a team that has Jaden Ivy, who's not a great shooter, who has Cape Cunningham, again, not a great shooter, and Assarra Thompson, and all these guys, the Pistons are notoriously down bad for not having shooters. Fontechio is one of those guys who can legit space the floor for them.

And so he's fantastic, and I'm a big fan of his. Yeah, he's just the perfect player to play next to other good players, right? The perfect compliment to, you would imagine when you say that, you would think, like, I want to. to see him play next to other stars. And so when he became available at the deadline, it was like, oh shit, a contender can squeak in and get this big wing that can shoot the ball,

pass the ball, defend well, move his feet, all this stuff. But instead, the Pistons made the smart move of realizing we have some young promising players, none of them are great shooters. We need some shooting around our team. It's all the big can talk about.

So let's go get this veteran. He knows 28. He's only third year in the league because he played in Europe for a while. You would think wouldn't fit your timeline and why would I put assets into a 28-year-old? But again, they need shooting and he's the exact guy

that can make life easier for these guards and just like alleviate the issues that are preventing them from developing the way they should be. I 110% agree, man. Simone Fontecio, talk to name me the NBA too. I don't care what anybody says. That is a cool name. What is he? Is that an Italian name?

Where's you from? Yeah, he's Italian. There's a lot of this in that name. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. A lot of that. A lot of stroke in the mustache. I love him.

I didn't, I told you I put him on my armbril mentions. The main reason I did that is because I didn't want to have three pistons on my list. Yeah, you'll be discussing for that. Another one. Listen, this is so funny. A whole bunch of these players for us are just players on teams that we know nobody cares about at all anymore. And I promise you, when October rolls around next year, you guys are going to come back to this episode and be like, oh, wow. They were talking about such and such and such and such because nobody's watching them, but we are.

And that's why we're here. we got y'all so tell me on the pistons on the 9 and 48 pistons or 10 and 48 whatever they are tell me who's underrated this one's a little bit less of a deep cut kate cunningham kate cunningham is fully the star he's made out to be and the people have not forgotten about him people still know kate cunningham has the you know allure and because the team is so like famously historically garbage i don't think he's getting slander as much as he was the start of the year but I think people have kind of abandoned the idea of him being like an All-N-B-A guy, right?

Like, people were kind of just like, I'll believe it when I see it with him. But, you know, he's had four great games. Over his last four games, he's at 28.5 points, 58% from the field, 57% from 3, 6.3 assist. Just on a heater right now,

which culminated with him dicing up the Chicago Bulls last night. He's fully the star, an All-M-B-A guy in this draft class still. You know, people forget about him, like I said. I watched the full game that we're showing the highlights too right now him versus the Knicks

and the way that he could just like shoot over Jalen Brunson and be unbothered by him and create his off the dribble step back threes with the defender in his face it's like something that only him and Luca have to shoot and touch from that size

and the efficiency numbers haven't come around as well as you'd want them to yet for similar reasons though I said with Jay Nivey he's playing with terrible spacing Monty Williams doesn't want to be good in his job and purpose

because he wants to get fired and get all that money for free everything's been bad around this organization He set up to fail But that floater we just saw And the highlights being shown The touch he has Finishing around the room

Where he still hasn't gone around To being able to go through contact And be an elite finisher But his touch on floaters His ability to hit tough stepback threes The passing ability, the defense It's all there And I think in time

He's still going to be that legit star I 100% agree with you What a great analysis Something that's so hard to do Is like judge young players Especially when they're around A whole lot of shit because then you can't see them like truly unlocked you know it's so hard to yeah exactly that's

like that's what it is that's what it is it's like trying to find a needle in haystack sometimes like okay this dude looks like shiny but i can't really like get it full grasp of it and like see it through thoroughly but only grasp it oh okay nice um but yeah like at times with the with the Detroit pistons it's a sponge rob reference not a pause Oh my God. These highlights are discussing. I see James Wise and playing on my screen, bro. But that's what Kate Cunningham had to deal with. How do you expect someone like him to go ahead and how do you expect someone like him to have inflated high assist numbers and low low turnover rate when he's playing with these types of players who don't necessarily have what it takes to compete at a high level in the NBA? You know, that's how I see when it comes to Cade Cunningham. And so I think I'm still keeping my. stock in terms of him being a top point guard in the NBA for sure man listen yeah the thing that uh bro we have we have three persons are on the list and they are they don't have 10 wins and it's about to be it's about to be march it's it's crazy like i i really i really do feel bad for

them because their roster construction and obviously what monny williams has done and we've talked about it so many times it has just gone so poorly that i really hope this offseason they go out and they make some type of move to where they can prioritize something to help Ivy or something to help Cunningham you know, start to develop because the time is taking on Cade. It's already, we're already in year three.

He had some injuries of his first two years. Like, I want to be able to see him in a positive situation just so that we can 100% look at him and say, do you have it or is it the situation? And this off season is crucial for Detroit. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest thing for me that we have to see still is, is that three point shot going to come around like we saw it in college?

That's kind of what made him like, oh, is he going to be one of the best guard prospects who's seen in the long time? Because in college, he was a genius defender, genius passer, and like an incredible shooter, or really in high school going into college. And the three point shooting hasn't come around yet. Right now he's at, his pull a percentage is terrible this year. It's at 32%. Catching shoot is a little better at 36. That needs to come around. But even if it doesn't, I've been very.

very encouraged with his driving ability which is something I kind of doubted early in the season because it didn't seem like he quite had the burst to be like a high level like guard finisher and hack in the rim like he wasn't quite as fast as like an Anthony Edwards or even a J.N. Something that I'll say though is that you don't have to have

the burst. Guys like Luca and Che are the perfect example. They have the same amount of athleticism as someone like Cade. It's about finding the angles and having the creativity and I don't think he necessarily had that at all. Yeah. And he's gotten a lot better at that. Like I'm on basketball index which has all their advanced analytics and like you look at the finishing tab they do

graze for each stat it's like straight a pluses despite him being not incredibly efficient yet it's just because he generates so much room pressure to drive offense that these analytics that like can look past basic physical percentage fully see the talent there like they have like an all-in-one metric called rim shot creation 99th percentile for point guards he that means his second in the NBA behind shade gilders Alexander like he's going to be one of the better finishers in the league once things come around like I said with the spacing as you continue to develop physically and defensively have no doubts passing I have no doubts like you just you got to preach patience with him and you know exactly a lot of guards come to the league and be immediately great so it's

kind of hard to preach patience but be patient exactly you're right the lucid donches and try youngs of the world just completely cooked expectations absolutely and on top of that too he's just a number and overall pick and every top podcaster everyone in social media is just going to be looking at you and eyeing every single that every single thing that you do on the court But, yeah, I agree. Cages is in a specific unique situation because of everything that's been happening around the NBA with all this young talent at his position just being elite immediately. And then him having to like get to a certain point not being like off the rip efficient 20 point per game score. It's like let's relax our expectations.

Can you reroute? Can you reroute quick to kill? Do you see a pass that J. Navi just did these highlights? No. Oh my goodness. Yeah, go back one more time. Go back one more time.

Look at Jay Knive at the top of the key. Yeah, no. Why he's swing that bit so hard? Yeah, no. That was a tough catch. He put his whole body into that. That was so fucking powerful. That is hilarious, right.

Who's your next player, Mo? Yeah, so going up into my list, the next player that I have is someone who I believe is one of your favorite players in the NBA right now, Isaac. Because you've been slobbing him like no weather. Jdub He's the number one You should have saved it I was a way for him to do last

Of course he's on my list Wow he's your number one That's crazy Obviously he's the number one That's fucking beautiful bro I'm happy to say it We can go in and tag team this bitch right now Where you want

Yeah it's tag team Jdub It was double team You go first It's your player You're up next Tell us what you think about J-dub No J-dub is a phenomenal player

who's better than a lot of perennial all-star guys. Say the name. He's in the same level. Say the name. I saw that too. He's better than Brad than Bill. Exactly.

Thank you. That's who that's who he's better than. And he is. And I'm with both of y'all. I was going to put him on my list. But I knew Isaac was going to put him on his list. I was like, you got it. Listen, I have staked my claim on J-Dub Island.

Anytime somebody's giving me a mic. And, you know, it started, I think, an episode like 69 or something like that. I forget what the topic was we were talking about Palo Ban Caro versus Chad Holmgren and I was like you know we were debating

who would you rather have I think we all agreed Chet long term but Palo is probably you know having a better season whatever it's a debate and I was like

listen I'm not throw fucking Jada up in there I might want him more than Palo I think they're an equal footing and you guys vehemently disagree we start arguing about it

the comments cooked me I got Rooshood in the comments on our episodes more than I ever have in my life people were like when did I decide Palo Van Carro was trash

huh you're talking about him like he's a scrub and I never meant that I just meant that Jdub is the most underrated young prospect in the NBA right now and I think people are trying to realize that over the past month or so people are coming around he currently shooting 45% from three the same as Kevin Durant 49% from midrange 1% better than Carrie Irving 70% at the rim the same as Anthony

Edwards get your narrative off the same as Jason Tatum right let's your nerds he checks every box you'd want from a high level wing as a rookie playing behind a high-usage guard that's already holding his total numbers back I don't see a scenario where he's not a top 20 player in the NBA one day. Nah, man. Like, I think something that doesn't help Jdub right now when it comes to, like, his popularity and people understanding how talented he is, is that he's playing alongside pretty much a generational rookie and Chet Hongren and all the amazing things that he's done. And like, it's very clear that he has been the second most stable force over there. And he's as much needed as Chet Hongrim.

he's important he's just as important in different ways of course because ted is so valuable on defense but j-dub is just as impactful of a defender as well can block shots he'll be in the passing lanes he's super versatile because of his frame and uh wingspan and all that like he's the entire he's the whole nine bro like there's nothing that i there's no situation on the court that i'll be uncomfortable with him doing like and that's rare in the NBA to say a hundred percent just when somebody has the verticality in the burst to finish at the rim like he does. Like, he's always catching lobs from stay in transition.

He has the off-the-dribble shooting ability that he just, he almost is like Chris Paul the way he can get to short mid-range shots and just get it up over any defender, like, as a go-to move. Mix that together with the passing and the dribbling. Like, I, again, I've said this several times. I don't know what his flaw is right now. It's tough, man. Y'all, y'all, y'all, Isaac, you convinced me.

Because I've, I've been on the J-dub train as well. Like, I think that he's very good. But I've been kind of holding off in terms of, like, top 20 that that number has just been being being into me I'm on board easily I'm on board he's he's gonna get there he's gonna get I'm being conservative at top 20 shout out to our homie CJ who looks exactly like Jdub but by the by the way facts are fucking twins are you serious that's hilarious we'll listen we'll put up a picture and you got you guys will see but yeah I'm very excited to see what jdub does in a playoff setting because that's

gonna that's gonna that's gonna do a lot for reputation around the league you know one strong playoff run as a young player can really convince people when all their eyes are on you. And one bad playoff run can really make people not give a fuck about you until you move them otherwise. It's the Anthony Edwards versus Sabonis thing where all people remember is your most recent playoff run. I'm praying he doesn't fumble because I'm going to look real stupid. No, I'm dead. That'll be hilarious. All my stock is here. He's going to I'm going to go tumbling down. If not, it's going to be bad. It'll be bad. But it's okay. I'll be there to defend you. Donovan, who's your next player? My next player. I'm going with Franz Bob.

Wagner. I think that Franz Wagner is still underrated because, and the only reason why I think this is because of injury, he got hurt and there was a stretch where Palo had to do really everything offensively. And I think that like, you know, because of that, Palo is the one who got the all-star not. Palo is also like having a better season. Like he's a better player. But it feels like it's kind of become Palo and then the rest of the magic. Whereas coming into this year, I thought that both of them could be all-sarsed this year. The building block in the core of this team is very much Palo and Franz. And Franz is he's a great score. He's averaging 21, 5, and 4. He's a good defender. A majority of the magic's best lineups include him, even when Palo is not on the

floor, right? Defensively, they are very, very good when he's. he's on the floor, right, versus whenever he's off. And I think that as the season continues and as he, you know, obviously gets, or not gets healthy because he is healthy, but as he continues to play well, once we get to the playoffs and the playing and all that type of stuff, then people will start to come around and be like, oh, yeah, we forgot Franz Wagner is this good. We forgot that he is this big and can handle the ball, can put the ball on the floor. He's not having a great year shooting, which I think has probably,

also contributed to a lot of people not seeing him in the light that I think that he is but for the two years prior to this he was a solid shooter he was okay and I think that eventually he'll get back to that and then we can start talking about Franz Wagner as like that guy again but he's he's really really good

I don't think we're talking about it enough yeah he's a lot closer he's a lot closer to as a good of a player as Palo Bancarus and people realize like how you said the narrative is come Palo and then a bunch of everybody else That's why he was an all-star because he's carrying a roster or nothing. Franz is neck and neck with him.

Like, sure, you can give Paula the nod now. He's a better passer, I guess. But, like, scoring-wise, they're very similar. And now, Palo profiles long-term to be a better score, you know, that size and that athleticism. But right now, it's very close. Yes. Yes.

How do you feel about that, though? No, I agree. I want to divert the attention back to Isaac Rue quick for two seconds because you're painting yourself as the known Paula Benker or hater. Everything at all you talk about him, it's like, yeah but he's not as good and it just needs to be clarified that you don't fucking hate him at all it just sometimes you have like questions about who he really is which is fine when it comes to every single i don't even have question about who really is i just think franz is just as good

i think that's good everybody else does i just think franz is like nonman said where he's left on like he just again doesn't have number one pick hype doesn't have the american player hype doesn't have you know he hasn't been available this year but like by every measurable way. He's neck and neck with him. I guess, yeah, I would say I wouldn't necessarily agree with the neck and neck, but I would say in terms of importance, he's pretty much just around the same level as Paulo, which means the same exact thing as around neck and neck or whatever. But regards to the fact, yeah, like, it doesn't help necessarily because Franz was hurt for a chunk of the year, I want to say like 15, 20 games ago or whatever. And the Orlando Magic did see a dip in

terms of the wins and loss column, but Paul was able to keep them just afloat. And I think next year, a lot of people will be awake once the Orlando Magic, you know, probably become a seven or a six, maybe even a size like a four or five seat next year, once it correct all the wrongs on their, on their roster in terms of shooting. But yeah, like people probably, hopefully people wake up when it comes to him and his production next year. I agree. He's great.

Whose player was that? Yeah. Yeah, that was my guy. Yeah, I guess it's back to me. This is going to be real quick. I got Denny Avdiha. Woo! You pick.

I love it. Denny is the next role player that's just like rotting away on a good team that needs to be free to go be somebody's Eric Gordon, Aaron Gordon or whatever. Like, he's the next one of that. He's a big wing who can shoot 41% from three, 72% at the rim. And defensively, he's incredibly impressive. Again, back to these basketball index stats, he spends 49% of his defensive possessions guarding somebody. with over 35% usage. Wow.

I mean, over 30%. And they divide that into like usage tier one, tier two, tier three to kind of like show like a pseudo option. So 49% of his defensive possessions, he's guarding the first option of the team. That's incredibly high. That roster has no talent and he's their true wing stopper. Like he takes the toughest assignment every night

has no issues. He's extremely talented on that end. And offensively, he's taking leaps in previous years. He's kind of been that kind of guy that like every wizard's fan is like, please shoot more what are you doing why are you scared and this year he's you know stepping into those shoes a lot better developing like i said 41% from three and just becoming one of those guys like aaron gordon that just checks all the boxes and you know to contribute to a winning team of giving the opportunity huh so back in the year of corona 2020 i was back in fucking georgia bro

in the dungeon and i was making out predictions i posted youtube videos mojo and i go check it out i'm not fucking lying it's called like mba draft stock market or some shit like that i don't fucking know. And I said, yo, I'm really high on Denny of Dia. When I see him, I see a lot of shades of Ben Simmons plus eventually, hopefully a fucking slight jump shot. And he's gone to that point. Denny of Dia coming, Deni via back in the Israeli League that he played in. I know. Oh, my goodness, bro. Blue all the goddamn dust away with that bitch. God damn. But yeah, Denny of Dia profiled as a really good damn player in the transition was super able as a passer and could run the offense at times at spurts at that size which is of course where the ben simmons comparisons

came out to be but of course he wasn't just like he wasn't that level of athlete but he young is out on the defensive end as well or at least developed for that to be a very strong part of his game and now that the shot has come around and the consistency of being willing to take them, he becomes a whole new type of valuable player in the NBA and someone who was a Denny of theia truther. I don't know anybody in the goddamn earth who said this shit. But now I'm proud as hell to say that. It makes me happy to see these fulfilling his potential.

Exactly. I'm a lone man in this bitch. Shout out him. Who's your next player? Oh, man. So my next player coming after Denny of Dia is actually Jared Allen. He's my number two on my list Right after Jalen Williams

He's on my list too Look at us Locked Look at us We are all over here I don't think that there's There's been a pick today That any one of us

Has been like Ah you tripping on that one I think we're all generally like Yeah these guys are underrated We're doing good Proud of us I agree I agree

Jared Al is so special When it comes to like His development over the years Has been great He's already been an all star A couple years ago when the All-Star game was at Cleveland, and he deserved that for sure, but to see him still maintain that level of play, and even become better when it comes to the type of passing

reads that he's been able to make, still a tremendous player when it comes to defense on the court he hangs, has had on that end as well, and just growing his bag and expanding his offensive capabilities once in a while, you know what I'm saying, being able to score 10 feet away from the rim, sometimes 16, 17 feet away from the rim, sometimes 16, 17 feet away from the rim makes the most difference in the world and makes you so much more valuable as a player. And the second that he, I don't know if he will hit the trade market, but if that ever happens, so many teams are going to be on his back. It's going to be crazy. Yeah, he's incredible. Anthony Davis is one of the most active defenders in the league, helps his teammates the most,

carries the most weight around him to protect the rim. And he defends 42% of opponent shots of the rim. He finds a way to affect it 42% of the time. Jared Allen is a 47% this year. here. Damn. Everywhere. Everywhere. If there's a shot being taken at the rim, almost half the time

he is there to stop it or at least make it difficult for you. Just one of the more active for protectors in the league. One of the best role man in the league. Like you said, a good short roll passer. Can do some stuff with the ball

in his hands as a finisher that isn't just catching lob. Like he's actually talented and making moves when needed to do little drop steps and stuff. Full package for a role man. Every time that I see Jared Allen,

I'm so disappointed that he gave us the quote of the lights were too bright because I'm like, you're so, Like you're so good and like I want to figure you up. But anytime you have a bad game, that quote is going to come out. And people just aren't going to understand like how good you are.

They're not going to understand the fact that you, like most head, you have a bag now and you are like legitimately impactful on both ends of the floor. And even for a team that we've kind of criticized the roster construction with the two bigs, with him and Mowgli, both of the bigs have started to add a little bit more. and like the Cavs, even without Mowgli this year, like they were the number one defense last year because they had Mowgli and Allen. And even without Mowgli this year,

they were still, they made that run up to the second seed in the east because Jared Allen was that dominant. And he has been so, so good. I think that like, no, man, he's great. I just, I really, really wish that he did not, that he did not give us that quote. Because now it's going to be used. Now it's going to be used against him at every turn.

That's fucking hilarious. I really wish that, what was the coach that got fired? Kenny Atkinson. I really wish that Kenny Atkinson didn't have to start DeAndre Jordan over Jared Allen whenever Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant signed for politics reasons. Because this Jared Allen would have been really fucking cool to see next to Kyrie and KD. I'll tell you that. Perfect fit, bro.

These players came to GMs, man. Grant said he got traded as part of the James Hardin thing. So, like, you know, that's why. You make that move every time But man See it's as nice that he landed With another team that became a contender We can really appreciate him

On this high level team like this And as we say that He just got crossed up and put on the ground by Luca I promise we know what we're talking about y'all It's a raw play bro The way he makes people He thinks it's gonna be a shot Nying runs up makes it do a lot

Luca's a genius That's disgusting bro That is disgusting sometimes it's You know when you see a different player or this player, yeah, no one who cares though, why it's like, it's a crossover in my eyes. Yeah, exactly, right. It's a forearm to the chest.

You know a player's special when it comes to, like, when you're watching a game, you have like the most vision that anybody can't have and you see the star player make a move that you didn't see coming from 10 miles away, bro. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Who's your next player?

Who's up next? Who's it? I think most said it most said that was moe donovan who's your next player all right I'm listen I'm gonna make this very quick I had to get my homer stuff in Isaiah Hartenstein

is very underrated good pick nice I think that the Knicks and that's all a Knicks talk for today next player woo we love to fucking see you

understand that the Knicks whole thing similar similar to what the calves were last year where they have they have these two bigs and their defenses is kind of based around

it. The Knicks were able to create an identity around offensive rebounding. And that's because Robinson's starting and then he comes off and Hartnstein is able to come and back him up and do the exact same thing. Mitchell's been hurt the entire year. And Hartnstein is like, you know what? I can do this full time. And the Knicks, whenever he's on the floor, the Knicks are still a great, a great rebounding team. He stepped into that role. Fantastic. I just wanted to show him some love. I love him. He's on my fantasy team. Great pickup. Got him for nothing off the waiver wire. Done numbers.

Eating. That's hilarious. He was going to put him on my list too. I just didn't have no space, but he's up there. Somebody else, I'll quickly also mention a role player of my list. Herb Jones. Yeah. Fire.

The Pelicans have currently a top 10 defense in the league. They're starting Zion Williamson, bad defender. Jonas Von Chunis, pretty fucking bad defender. Brandon Ingram, not a good defender. Ced McCollum, certainly not a good defender. Four players aren't good at defense. But Herb Jones is motherfucking Superman. putting the best player on the enemy team

in a straight jacket every night, sending them to jail, as Yoko Chosar always says on his TikTok, talking about her. This man is one of the rare, like, legitimate lockdown defenders in the NBA when it's as hard as ever to be effective on the perimeter with the way the game is played. He puts people in jail legitimately

and carries that defense in a way you don't really see from a perimeter very often since, you know, he can only defend one guy at a time. He's not like a big that can rotate everywhere. He is incredible on that end and is currently shooting 40% three for the year. Which, if he's going to be doing that, he's one of the best role players in the NBA.

Good grief, man. We love Herb Jones out here. I love to see it. We really do. I wish I had him on my team. Yeah, that is true. It's just funny. His name is Herb.

Like that type of name, you just, you got to be gritty. The last time I'm like an old southern name. Just her. I know, bro. Yeah. Facts. Old Southern dude who just seems financially responsible, bro. The last, the only time that I ever seen him made NBA headlines is when

he said outwardly that like he still drives the same card that he wrote in in college which is either some man or some like dodge challengers some shit like that very inspirational save your money kids but um we can roll into my next player it's actually a role player one of my favorite role players in the entire NBA I love seeing guys come out of college as a specific being viewed as one specific type of player and turn into like something else Aaron Neesmith oh my gosh God, coming out of college, he was a two-year college player. His last year in college, he didn't really have much

an opportunity to play because he was fucking hurt. But since he's been in the NBA, was a part of the Boston Celtics, didn't really have that limelight, of course, because of the wings, Jeline Brown, and the Tatum's of the world. No opportunity. But he's found a way to go ahead and fulfill his potential as a shooter

alongside Tyrease Halliburton, shooting like 45% from a three-point line or something crazy like that. And his defense has been so inspirational. And it's one of those, one of the saving, one of the things, that's just the reason why the Pacers aren't last in that category. And so Aaron Eadsmith, he deserved a fucking, I would have, if we were literally ranking this, I'll put him at my number one list, at my number one spot for making him,

the most underrated player in the NBA. Great 3&D player. I can see that. He's developed very nice of this year. Like, it's interestingly finally traded Buddy Healed. And I think a big part of that is because his emerging. as like somebody who's going to be in a starting line up for a long time. And you say you always like when somebody can come into league as one player

and transform into something else. I like when they have a team gives up on them. And then the second team was like, oh, you're using this guy all the way of the fucking wrong. Let's make him into this player. And he has a chance of the second team to really thrive. That's what happened here. He was drafted by the Celtics, traded from Malcolm Brogden. And, you know, now he's the most valuable player in that trade, which I don't think anybody

expected what had happened. I agree. I agree, man. he's found his way and the next stop for him as is in when it comes to his development is like can you do a little bit of things off the bounce because right now he's a fantastic cutter can when it comes to catching just straight up going straight at the room he's great at that athletic as ever and of course like what he hung has had on in college and also in high school folks were making him out to be like the next clay thompson which is absolutely disgusting but he was that level of shooter

when it was when he was back in those 16 17 18 year old days but what he's doing now is was fantastic to see, bro. Love it. Dovin, how many players do you have left? I have one left. All right. Who's your last player? My last player is Amen Thompson.

Okay. A rookie, okay. Don't, listen, do not forget about Amen Thompson going into this offseason. Don't do it. I recently had the chance to see him live, to see him in person. Yo, this guy moves differently.

Like, he is, his athleticism, his burst, his ability to go side to side, side and get from point A to point B like that is crazy. And he can't shoot for anything, but he is around the ball all day long. Over the last 10 games, he's averaging a steel game, he's averaging a block game. He's great on defense. This team, this team right now, like obviously Fred Van Blee is the starting point guard, but they drafted him in very, very high.

He's going to be the guard of the future, so it's just going to be time. He has all the physical tools to be a good NBA point guard, even if the shooting, never comes around to be something fantastic. His defense, his motor, and his, again, just movement skills. I don't even know what to call it is going to be... Fluidity. Yeah. Athleticism is what we call it.

Yeah, I guess so. You're right. But like all that combined is going to be the reason why he's going to be a very, very successful NBA point guard. So don't forget about him, M. Thompson. He's fantastic. And he competes so hard on the defense event. He has to start over Jalen Green.

now. It's time. Jalen Green is not getting any better. I know every, every season he has two or three games where he drops 30 randomly and it's like, oh, he's finally figuring it out. He's not. He's still just Jalen Green. Amen Thompson needs to start long term next to Fred Van Vleet as long as he's there. He's the guard of the future like he said. And like the guard of the now, he's a more effective player. One of the strongest defenders in the league like Asar, or he will be in the future. I shouldn't say, yeah, exaggeration. But like he's going to be up there just like Asar is. The burst, the passing ability. You said, I don't know how to quantify the way he moves.

I call it functional athleticism. The way he can use that burst in like, you know, like concise ways. He isn't like a jewel between his legs, oh, go kill him type of guy. But he's in a blow by his guy

every time with one strong cut every single time, get to the rim. It's like watching a powerful running back play. He just sees the hole and attacks it every time. Has, has to begin big minutes. Yeah.

And I know what's a call. And I know what to call it, y'all. He has him, his brother, And maybe like three other players in the NBA have the best quick twitch athleticism in the entire fucking world. It is ridiculous. Just how fast you see when it comes to the start and finish and his ability to make that movement happen all of a sudden is insane. Most average person you see it. They're tearing their ACL.

Yeah. They're tearing their missing. Get the block. Gets the rebound. Immediately pushes. Gist the ball. Keep going back to kill. Gets the ball.

He chased down. Block shake goes to Alexander. Look at this. Let's break this down real quick. Chase down blocking and kill Alexander after Barre blocks him. Gets his own rebound. Use that speed.

Immediately gets in front of everybody. Hits the cutter for the open shot. This is a quintessential Amend Thompson experience. He's going to be doing this every play when he's a full-time starter. Pushing the ball in transition like a prime Ben Simmons.

Chase down blocking better than any guard you see in the league because he's 6-7, has a 7-foot wingspan and jumps out the fucking gym. Fast as hell can get back on anybody. IQ to push the ball, hit all the right passes like he's going to be a star and it's going to catch people

surprised that have been paying attention to him this year. I just like you Donovan was blessed enough to have experience amend Thompson playing basketball. I watched him a couple maybe like last month or actually this month in Atlanta and there were so many plays where I'm like telling my siblings this dude is fucking different. Watch how fast he takes off from the ground and just how he makes these decisions and how his body just immediately aligned. and reacts to it as if like his body and his mind is one like his athleticism is just truly different bro yeah he's a supercomputer i agree cam one more could also be up here cam one more's gonna be good shout out yeah he could

be starting as well over dealing green but i guess anyone could have yeah that's all about too yeah i got one player left real simple we don't got to talk too much about it dray mon green got to put him on here still people have i think he's been taking for granted you know he's always been an unreaded player right but you know for years he was winning championships people he got the recognition he deserved over the last couple years i think people kind of talk about him like he's washed now and like he's just like there you know like when we're talking about step curry and how this team is ass it's like he has no help nobody really says his name anymore and that's because for a couple years he had become like an offensive zero for some reason he just he says it in the

interviews he talked about it he said it was because he was so used to playing with that super team when katie was there that mentally he wasn't oriented to try and score anymore and it was part for him to bring them back into his game. He's better back in his game. He's shooting 44% from three right now, granted on a small volume, 2.5 or 10s for game, but he's shooting really well, passing the ball as well as ever. And this team went from being garbage, scrap heap, 13 seed, 12 seed all year, to now being back into the play and race because they went 11 and 2 over the last 13 games. And because of the fact that they started Dremont Green at Center full time, Benj Kavon Looney, now they have spacing and they're giving us a look that they've, you know, thrived

within the playoffs for years. Now is their full-time look. and he has single-handly made them a good team again offensively and defensively. Like he needs all the flowers in the world despite the fucking boxing highlight tape he's put up this year. And that's the key. That's the key, the boxing highlight tape

because he's not underrated just because he's underrated. He's underrated because everybody has been like, can you stop knocking people out because you're so good at basketball? Like if you can just focus on that and not make somebody be unconscious for two seconds, then maybe we can get something going and I'm very happy because also like his tone even after

like coming back it's been it's been different like on the on the court you still get the same you know wild draymont like his edge is still there you still get all of that but hearing him hearing him talk right now like over the past you know 10 15 games as opposed to what he sounded like after the after the pool punch or after the sub bonus stomp or Or after the Gobert chokeout, like there was, it just, it just sounds different. And it sounds like he is locked in right now, focused on making the war as like a championship contender again. We'll see, right, ultimately, how far they get in the playoffs. But they have a chance now where if you ask me, if you ask me three weeks ago, I would have said, no, there's no way, there's no way they're making a first round playoff series competitive.

But that's not the case. He'll get me wrong. He's a fucking maniac. and as a personality he's not somebody I really want on my team he recently went on Grant Williams saying he's a fake tough guy out of the wife that shot at him, whatever

he said some stupid shit about Miles Bridges in there because he's my brother for life and he's being an idiot. Dumbass comments he's a moron. Again, maniac can't stop hitting people. There was that clip of him looking at Paul George and going like this for some reason like he's going to fucking ship him like total maniac. But man

that motherfucker can play defense. And that's and that's like the story of Dremont Green, bro. bro, like, off the court you look at him, it's like, eh, well, not off the court. On the court, when it comes to shenanigans, it's like, eh, but on the court, he's fucking good, bro. You were finding's a crazy tweets of mine. That is hilarious.

Where did I tweet this? And to explain this to the audio listeners, Isaac. 2019. Explain this, please. It's a tweet of mine from 2019 that says, I'm going to tell my kids, this was Raymond Green, and it's Hannibal Burriss standing there awkwardly. I don't know why I tweeted this. That is fucking hilarious, bro. That is fucking hilarious, bro.

I love that. I agree with you guys completely on that. That's my whole list. Mo, who do you have left? So I got three players left. Okay. Trey man, when the speed run through this,

the only match you to trade it for his ass. I'm just going to leave it at that playing great. He's playing great shooting 45% or 44% from three points since he's been with the Charlotte Hornet. He's been unlocked, he's been in leased now that he has an opportunity and a team that's willing

to cater towards him. Okay, so you can't do that. Too many good things going on. He's in Charlotte doing great things. Cool. After that, got Malik Monk, great player, spark plug, and he's a developed display making ability.

Love to see that. Last one, Mike Conley. Mike Conno is Mike Conno. Steady, ready. He's 36-year-old. And it seems like he could play forever, bro. Thanks. Nice.

All right, good. Shout to Speed Run. y'all there it is each of us give 10 players you think of the most underrated in the league in a loose order that was probably like 26 players deep it's a long episode giving flowers take it what you can because negativity will soon come so embrace the positivity walls here ha man this sucks but i guess now this means that it is the first ever tic-tok time that i am out of the goddamn hood you guys believe it or not i forgot we didn't tell him we fucking did it not not me, not you, but all the Ukrainian news out there. We are talking to you right now. We're out of the Bronx. We're currently in Washington, D.C.

I got this whole new studio, new set up, same old ball. I got the cranium is crazy behind me. If you fucking know, you fucking know. Life is different now, man. But now that I'm here, that doesn't mean that the Moe, get Mo out of the hood foundation just stops. No, bro, we're changing the LLC name. Keep Moe out of the hood. That's what this bitch is called now

And I'm not going back Facts, exactly So this is the first ever A goddamn TikTok time Let's run this shit up, Eaters And where are you at? Hell yeah Crown Eaters, welcome to fucking TikTok time

What the, where did this man I don't Listen For Joe's watching He just pulled up with a cat Didn't tell us anything Where did this cat just come from? This right here is

My rat repellent. Fuck is you talking about, man. I moved to Washington, D.C. I'm coming fucking different. And plus, she's cute, too. Her name is Mia. Right? Yeah, shout out, Mia.

I had no idea this was happening. This shocked me as much as it did y'all. I think she's a little camera size, so she wants to leave. We're fucking ready right now. She did. Let me open the door for her real quick. Yeah. She's not.

She saw a rat to go take. You fucking brought him with you. She's going on attack. You attract them with you state to state nationwide rats. as always we're going to start with the draft this time we're going to draft NBA lineups with only players who played for a New York team so they had to have played with the Knicks or the Nets obviously

Yes sir Or Nets Yes sir You guys know how it goes but I don't got to explain anything Draft order is Moe Donovan me Real simple Let's draft NBA lineups with only players who played for a New York team Where are we going first Mo

First overall pick Give me the slim Riepa himself Kevin Durant. I need it. Okay. I need it. Okay. Predictable.

Knew that. Yon. Give me. Sounds like jealousy. Is that? A little bit. Is it? It's predictable.

While I was mapping this out, I knew, I knew where you were going to go. But for my first pick, give me Kevin Garnett. Fuck. I was really hoping you pick somebody else. And I knew. Nice. I knew. I mapped.

I mapped this out. No. Come on. Damn. I love that shit. I'm not going to. You didn't pick AG, I think I would have wanted instantly with who I could have paired him with.

Damn. Okay. Because I know. Damn, damn, damn. I know where you're going. Well, yeah, and obviously, I have to go this way now. Yeah. Give me James Hardin and Patrick Ewing.

Yeah. Give me that pick and roll combination. Okay. It's a thick pick and roll combination. I love that. Ain't nobody talking at shit. Damn. That's crazy.

Yeah. It's going to be a crazy duo name. I like it. Harding at the one, Ewing at the five. That's good. Starting with size. Yeah. fine. At my two, give me Tracy McGrady. Okay, good pick.

Hmm. Okay. Nice. I love that. So you got hardened at the one. You into KG. Nice. A lot of that shit. All right. So at my one, go ahead and give me Kyrie Irving. Am I just rebuilding the Brooklyn Nets? Maybe. Are you just, you're building the biggest disaster in NBA history? Let's get it. Listen, it's for one game. I got it, bro. Go ahead and give me Kyrie Irving. And then at my four, give me Julius Irving. Ooh, the oral on my team is different.

You can't have him because he played for the New Jersey Nets, not the Brooklyn Nets. Wait, it was in New York, though. New Jersey is not in New York. Oh, my God. No. Bozo alert. He's a part of team history, though. You don't know your geography.

Oh, my God. That sucks. ass i was okay i thought we were counting it i it should count genuinely it should count it's it's a part of the team history though you said you said new york team and so the team has history elsewhere but they were not a new york team okay strong man's arguments it's still the same franchise did they play in new york did he play in new york it that's not that's not i said new york for simplicity, people to understand it. I intro this to you as players who played in New York.

I asked you players who have played for the Knicks or the Nets earlier. And you said yes. And so we're talking about the franchise. It is players who played in New York. There we go. On a, Nickyles on our team right now. Interesting. ABA.

No, Isaac could be a bastard and be like ABA. We'll give it to you. But I'm still taking. Turn around me. Here we go. On Black History Monthoo, let me have my last day. God damn it. All right.

We'll give it to you because it was ABA. That's a little technicality. You can have it. There we go. This whole draft is the technicality. I knew somebody wasn't going to pay attention to that. There we go. I guess I introed it to them to the crayon eaters wrong.

I said New York teams, to you guys, I said players who played in New York. So that was the thing. Crown eaters, I would never let you, laid you astray. Never, ever. I got your back. It's fine. Julie's urban and Katie is interesting. It is.

Now, what would a New York team for me be? Without three to the dome. Give me Carmelo Anthony at the three. Ooh, okay. Straight buckets. That's an interesting combination. Straight buckets. Straight buckets.

KG's going to be defending everybody. Exactly. I love that. Yeah. If you're going to have those two, KG is the person to pair them with. After that, we don't want to go. Hmm, you guys already have that. I don't need that.

I have a one. You know what? Am I two? Give me Bernard King. Good pick. Give me a New York legend. Good pig. Okay.

That's very solid. That's very solid. I like that. Not bad at all. Then in my three, give me Paul Pierce. Also a good pick. Also a good pick. I like that.

I like that. Paul Pierce is all. You got a real balance lineup. Real thick as fuck too, but balance. You can go back to the thickness. I'm sorry. It's true. It seems like you came on this bitch with a prop with an agenda to be made.

But okay. I'm drafting for a girth. Yeah. Where are we going, Donovan? You know what? ABA merchant. You know, this team, look, this team probably wouldn't win in Madison Square Garden, but we're going to win at Rucker Park.

Give me Penny Hardaway at my point guard. Nice technicality pick. He played there for five seconds. Okay. I like it. I like it. Nice. Nice.

Okay. That's interesting. That's interesting. Okay, so to round this bitch out, I need a little bit of more defense and a little bit more facilitating. So at my two guard, I'm going to go ahead and put Jason Kidd there and then at my five, I need, I need defense because y'all, I might get brutalized in the pain. So give me someone sturdier than ever. Give me Tyson Chandler. You're good.

That's a great. That's a great pick because that's what that's how I wanted but now and now I'm trying to decide if I want to move KG to the 5 before I want to get an actual 5 and I think with Tyson and Patrick I have to go get an actual 5 so give me yeah yeah we're going to do this actually no forget this put KG at the 5 there no I'm not I'm not doing that put KG at the 5 at the 4 Give me Amari Stademeyer. Whoa. Interesting.

You murdered your spacing, but I told you, we're playing that record part. We're not trying to play in New York. We're not playing organized basketball here. We're just trying to. You went two bigs with no spacing. Give me two bigs with spacing. Give me Christop Sforzingis at the four.

You got twin towers with spacing. Okay. Tingis Pinguis in my lineup. Tengis Pinguis is lethal, bro. I'm not going to lie. I'm surprised you didn't pick Vince Carter, Donovan. I thought you were going to go that way. It's part of play for New Jersey only

Oh my God, here we go Again, we're not doing this anymore That's what I'm saying I wasn't trying to get into it again That was the whole reason I brought up Because I knew someone was in Pickman's Carter So that'd be funny That's absolutely hilarious

I messed up by saying New York teams The intro to this, damn it Now I'm just stuck to Players who played in New York God damn it What a wasted bit I knew so he was in Pickman's Carter That is hilarious

You see you see what I'm saying He set this up purely for the bit Purely not not so that we can have a successful draft it was for the bit as I knew somebody I knew somebody would not be not being paying attention to the quote to the prompt Yeah man. I mean you know Isaac it's for the content and I'm forward with it too So my team James Hardin Bernard King Paul Pierce Tenghis Pinguish Patrick Ewing My team Penny Hardaway Tracy McGrady Carmelo Anthony Amar satemar cam and garnett Oh yeah we're not losing a game I got Kyrie Irving, Jason K.D., Julius Irving, and Tyson, Chandlerner.

Crown leaders, who won and tell me why it was me? It's either me or you. I think you have a great team. I mean, I would put, you have kid at the two. I would call him the point guard, Kyrie. Yeah, for sure. So we understand a little more. Yeah, for sure.

I like your team. Your team makes a lot of sense where you're modern. I think Donovan sold a little bit picking Amari Stodemeyer. I don't know. I mean, I don't see the fit there. What did I tell you? We're not trying to play some like five on five. It's at the Rucker.

Organized basketball. That's not what we're doing, right? Put me in 2K, put me in Rucker Park. We're not losing a game. It's just not happening. We're about buckets, and that's what my team is. That's hilarious. Doing it Pinguish, that's some length.

You came in this bitch with a prerogative, I told you. Lankton, Gert. That wasn't our purpose, my bad. It was. Liar. That one wasn't on purpose. And it comes to doing what you want to do, you won this draft.

Oh my God. I wanted. All right. Anyways, I guess we move on to the next thing we have in mind. You know, the Clippers recently rebranded. We talked about it on the live stream.

If you want to hear our full thoughts breaking down this, you can go watch it there. We talked about it for like 15 minutes. We got really in depth on this rebrand. But in the spirit of that, I think we talked about some other NBA rebrands over the years

and we're going to grade them. So it should be interesting. There's some good ones, some terrible ones, some in between. Obviously, the Clippers can be one of them. come all let's do a simple I want you to grade

this NBA rebrand first off the Los Angeles Clippers Listen I gave this I gave this an A on the stream This is this is an A for me They went from They went from having

The worst logo in the league To now having some type of direction With the compass Just a smidgen of aura Literally a direction with the compass I'll send you to their bars That's hilarious You know me

You know me The jersey is a big upgrade Going back to the cursifont It's smart The jerse is before horrible Logo is better But it's still kind of mad There's too much going on

Yeah no When it comes to the logo It's really ass if we're being honest with you I said on the stream It looks like US currency It's like a dime It's trash

Yeah no Like it looks like Currency It looks like a dime It looks like I could share a quarter That I got from Mexico Bro

Looks like a fucking peso It's a ridiculous But the durs is a hard, exactly, bro. People don't know what they want. If the clippers came out here with another minimal logo, everybody would have been like, oh, it's so boring. They went out, they tried to do, it's low key minimal. It's just blue and white.

They tried to do money. You don't have to put the rainbow in the logo for it not to be minimal. They have their color scheme. They stuck to it. They put, they put a couple things in it. They tried. And we should give them credit for that. Right.

You did it a little bit better than the worst branding the league. I'll give you a B-minus. I just see this logo and I think like, I think USPA polo vibes. It's just like, you want to be it, but you really can't be it. But you're trying really hard and I'll let you pass. It's supposed to be a battleship or something. Looks like a cruise liner. Everyone at Disney Cruise.

Yeah, exactly, bro. I'm going to be in Grunford, Goofy. This is a cruise line on God, bro. Caribbean? Oh, my goodness. Steve Bomber and Mickey are going to be dapping up on the fucking. Picking a karaoke That's a

It's better though So B minus B minus I'll meet you guys In the middle B plus Okay there you go Next up Who we got

The Brooklyn Nets in 2012 This shit got worse This is tough Because when the first When the rebrand first happened I was like okay now Like the black and white It looks kind of cool

Looking back on it Nah it's boring For the time it was good They needed it That old one had really worn away It was really overstayed it's welcome I think it was an A for the time But now we need another one

They need a new refresh now It's been too long So I'm gonna I'll give it an A for the time That is That's a good way to look at it That's a good way to look at it But in terms of just like pitting

That what a real A should be Which is being timeless I want to give this like a Oh it's not that It's not that at all That shit needs to go Yeah exactly I want to go ahead and get the sea as well.

It's mid now. You're right, you're right. I said on the stream, too, the shit looks like a police badge or some shit like that. It just doesn't, it looks like so federal. Can't fuck away. Yeah, it does.

Okay, next one. The Atlanta Hawks. Now, the logo, the logo is kind of cool. I don't, I like the logo. One back the logo was smart. The jerseys. Who are those trash? Mo, these are some of the worst jerseys I've ever laid my eyes on.

These things hurt my eyes. My prescription got worse after seeing these. There's too much going on. It's awful. This is so bad. These fucking Friday night Tykes jersey. You see those jersees of Little League football teams you're wearing? They're all bright.

It looks like Julian Newman's jersey from that famous clip and him going crazy between the legs. This is terrible. They didn't rebrand and drop the jerseys like two years later because they were so ass. That should tell you something. I'm not going to lie I think they're good

But I'm obligated to say that Because I have one I have one What you want me to say A piece of equipment That I have is trash It's not about what I believe or not I got it

These diamonds are awful Fuck that I'm true to Atlanta It's nice This is terrible I'll go D Because the jerges are terrible Yeah I can

I'm going to D as well I would say C Because the logo Carries heavy The logo's not complete The logo is only reason It's not an F Yeah

Sad days in Atlanta But it's okay All right next up We got the Minnesota Timberwolves This son This sucks I just want to say so Because we have Shabaz Napier here, bro

Why is Shabazz Napier here? I hate that Shabazz Napier Oh my gosh I was gonna say it's all it would be I think the jersees in the left are trash Obviously the logo is cool It's character Those jerseys from the Kevin Love era

Are garbage Those are awful What? I don't like these I think that these jerseys are on the same level I don't think I don't think they upgraded in any way I think they just swapped mid for mid but the logo

the old logo is exactly the old logo is definitely better yeah are we going to are we going D? I think D might I think C because it's definitely on one of the worst logos or jerseys in the NBA for sure

I thought it was solid damn I'm in the minority we're going to see solid is It's all to see. Saw it see. I thought it was good. I thought it was a B. I like it.

I like these jerseys. It could be a lot better. Let's just say that. Could be a lot better. All right. You have a fucking wolf, bro. The most ferocious animal.

You go ahead and just put some lines behind that bitch. It's not good enough. The Cleveland Cavaliers in 2022. This was much needed. And I think that they did a very good job because, listen, those old Cleveland jerseys,

they had the little good year sponsorship. I cannot. see these jerseys without thinking about tires. I can't do it. My brain just goes there. The new the new cab jerseys actually look like basketball jerseys. I love the v and the basketball net and everything. That's nice. That's good work. The logo barely changed. I don't know why they felt needed to do that. But the jerseys are 10 times better. The old ones are like everything wrong with 2010's jersey. They're just angular as fuck and look like they're made in like a Madden simulator. but the new ones is like the exact right way to do minimalism facts bro looks like the old ones

the old jerseys i feel like if you roll up in this bitch you got a transformer decepticon from like 1950 or something like that bro waiting to go ahead and crash out like it's just so angular boxy uh devious but the new one is hard as hell i fuck with it heavy and the new jersey too with the net in between the v w yeah yeah however they do lose point for taking away the sword in the logo the sword was cool it gave it a little bit more character yeah the logo's really plain now that is true that is true it's kind of dull so is this a b yeah it's go b the logo weighs it down i think the logo was a bad change yeah okay cool tough jerseys are hard though next up the Milwaukee bucks

this is a whole a plus to me the logo is a lot better for sure and the jersey came a little bit away. No, this logo new one's hard. The jerseys are a million times better. I think those jersees on the left are garbage. I hated those. They needed this rebrand so bad. You hate every jersey from the 2010s.

You do not like that at all. Well, this one's like, that's like a late 2000 jersey. But yeah, it's a bad era of jerseys. Ah, man. Who is that to the left? Is that Larry Sanders? Is that his name? Yeah.

I'm so disgusting for remembering it off the top of the head. I hope he's doing okay, man. That out Larry Sanders. I do wish there was I kind of missed the red in the bucks design back then but I like how they replace it with some blue

there's a lot of cool blue hints in the New Jersey's that is what helps takes it to a next level bro the green and red I just don't know why but those colors just don't mesh or gel

unless it's fucking Christmas like why they're trying so hard to get that shit off but it never went off the cream on the new one is tough what do you mean you said they don't you said they don't mesh

until it's time for them to be the greatest color pairing of all time during Christmas. It always works. Green and red always works. It worked back then. They should have brought it over here now. Ah, disagree.

It's only, it's if it's not in December, then it does it, then it's trash, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm just looking at this one in A, though. I think the cream is good.

I think the logo is better. This is a good refresh. Yeah. I want to give this an A. I'll go B. B minus. Okay. Hater.

all right next up the Washington wizards what is the difference that kept the same fucking jerseys and took away the wizard out of the logo and made their logo just like a ball and a star nothing to do it wizards

this is why they suck and this is the perfect encapsulation of what the Washington wizards are they think that they do something and they just stay the same just me not even to say the same they got demonstrably worse This is a nothing of a logo with no personality.

What is it? What has to do a Wizards in this? It looks like their team logo was like the Capitals. I mean, they did job all so dirty. Brough, yeah, this is disgusting. This is easily an F, bro. I hate their jerseys.

I've always hated their jerseys overall. And to see that they take a step back from the logos, this has no personality, no character. You don't tell you about the history? I mean, I guess there's, I see the infrastructure with the star and I guess that's like cool but no it's not it's just a star no there's a building there's a building on top of the under that star it's the Washington monument which has nothing to do with the name wizards but it's I guess it has something to do with Washington so I guess this is like

exactly great I'm fighting for my life for him right here man Washington I will never defend you again listen the logo on the left isn't even that good the one on the right is just stupid at least you are a local now you need to offend for your people hey fuck that the crime right here is insane bro I thought I was up to hurt I might be back in this bitch

no I'm good I'm not defending shit F tier this is the worst rebrand a long time it's just just got worse with no added benefits ass this is F that's the last one

next thing we're gonna do Mo I believe you have some celebrity lookalikes for us Ah, yes. So we did this a couple weeks ago, maybe two months ago or so. And what I'm going to go ahead and do is bring up about like six or so pictures of celebrities who looked exactly like NBA players. So going to go ahead and hit this hook. Guess the NBA player by their celebrity look alike. And I want you guys to guess the name in your head. Okay. This should be fun. Last time it was pretty easy to see if you came if you came harder. yeah okay let's go ahead and see so first up we got okay I guess we started off like this nice producer to kill

this is what celebrity looks like's based off of bro is getting the just of it holy fuck you're never beating these allegations ever in your life Donovan I'm sorry the kill he was the mastermind behind this so was a part of a plan but lucky he didn't put Norm Powell while he's at it. That's crazy, bro. The meme will never die. I just try to show up and be a good teammate and I don't think that I deserve this. You just could, you just got to show up.

I try to do my job. I try to continue. This is a good picture, too. Where did you get this from, Nikiel? He must have been in the trenches because this is not in your gram, I think, either. Good God. No, this is from the air from the media shoot. Ah, got you.

Yeah. Nice, nice, nice. That was the first one. Let's get serious. Guest NBA player by their celebrity lookalikes. Duke Dennis who is this player bro yeah man I don't know he had a celebrity I don't know he was a look like of a player

he has a look like and when I show you your job's gonna drop to the motherfucking ground ooh who does Duke look like is it somebody that is it somebody that's as glazed as he is no not nearly okay okay is it because of okay just get me here is it because of the dredge or because of the grow uh neither is facial structure

facial structure is a young player yes and to take it further he's in the west young player in the west i mean it's not john morant is it no okay okay that no i think so i think so who is i was gonna say grant williams for a second because the eyes no that's hilarious but keep on thinking about the eyes and hopefully you'll get to that point duke dennis has like little to no eyebrows bro but he has a very strong like super strong facial features little to no eyebrows that's true look at him bro i'm being honest i don't know where to go with this that's crazy is he does he play in california no he doesn't play in california let's in lexas no not in texas okay i don't know where to go

with this i'm i've never one of the most popping teams in the NBA this season okay he's on the thunder yes or is carrying heavy but it's not say of course looks like a thunder player okay Is this jang? Huh? Is this jang? Jang? Who's Jain? Ouzman?

No. No, no, no, who's no? There's no way you're talking about Lou Dortt. No, not Lou Dort. Oh my God, you guys. No, not Lou Dort. Oh, my goodness. Y'all list, y'all are so close.

No, no, keep going. I'm going to figure this out. It's not. Wait, is it Big Jalen Williams? Yes, it's big Jailant Williams. They're fucking twins. What the hell? You just make somebody who squints a lot.

No, bro. You big Duke Dennis, that's crazy allegations. No, bro. They don't, on God, they don't even squint a lot. That's just how they are, bro. Look at it. Look at every single picture. That's crazy.

They're twins. I never would have once thought that this looks like Duke Dennis. Bro, the allegations are out there on the internet. They're out there. Wow. That is hilarious, bro. Oh my God, the Duke Glaze never ends. They're saying they're saying they're taking B&B players now.

So who's next? That's hilarious, bro. Ooh, we got. Desmond from RDC. This is Rodney motherfucking hood. I see it immediately. I can immediately tell.

Bro, he even has the same facial hair as him. It's ridiculous. He's not even trying to make it. Yeah, this is so accurate. I haven't thought of Rodney Hood's name in like five years and immediately he came to mind. Bro, all to God. I thought Rodney was going to be the next NBA star.

Well, did you know? I was wrong. Not NBA star, but internet star. Damn. Skit star. Yeah, exactly. Love it, man. Who's next? Who next up we got Jack Harlow. Helping you guys. This is, okay, I'm going to guess that this is, uh, oh boy in San Francisco, Brandon Pajemski.

Oh, but also, it's also Kyle Guy. Oh, you guys are in your bag. It's actually pods, man, but Kyle Guy could be a very good answer. I think he looks more like Kyle Guy than Pajemke. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, but put Jim Cemsky's on the Warriors. I got to get that Warriors push. Who the hell's talking about Kyle guy? I got to put hashtag Warriors in the video. Exactly. You know me.

That's hilarious. No, there's like seven drag Carlos walking around every city in the country right now. You can pick him out of a fucking club. Yep. Black-ass skinny jeans and a white tea with some white forces. I saw this dude yesterday, bro. All over D.C. Oh, God, bro.

Who's next? That's hilarious. Who? Next up, we got slim. in this bitch. Who is this player? There is no reason to do Jalen Williams J-dub like this. Does he not look like Ronald Slim Williams? Am I wrong? Come on. Yeah, if you age him up 40 years and give him a pack of smokes a day, then yeah. This is so mean. It's accurate. There's nothing wrong with that. This is just so in letting him know what his future might entail.

I'm a good person. You're going to stay on the NBA nutrition plan. That's hilarious, man. Who's next? Ooh, next up, we got the man on a penny. Abraham Lincoln. Who is this celebrity look like? Why does everybody on the Oklahoma City Thunder have a lookalike?

Everybody. Just one by one. We're running it up on the thunder. Just one by one. This is the best light skin player in the NBA. Chet, Oh, you are correct. Look at them ears and look at that no mustache above the lips. Disgusting combo, but he rocks that shit. Not beer no mustache is crazy. That's crazy. It is wild. It is by choice

too. I see the stubble. He shaved that mustache off. Yeah, I know. I think as a late he's been rocking that bitch because he can't beat the allegations. It's heading too hard. But he was definitely in that lineage. Abe was how tall. He was tall as fuck, right? Like six five. Yeah. Yeah, he's like six four or six five. Damn. That's his great grandpa. No mustache's beer. looking mad Amish that's crazy we know your lineage yeah you were destined to be the one who's next who next up we got bugger that ball of fame football player who is this man can i tell you something you're being mean you're being mean to these people come on now who is this player

this picture is so awkward it looks like one of them like it looks literally like a meme looks fake as hell it looks like a face swap it looks so much like unnatural as hell you got it John Williamson

you are correct they got the same smile it's crazy yeah if you were to tell me this is John Williamson's dad I would 10010% believe in you oh that is whoa what is this that is crazy

producing to kill you were up to no good somebody said you're a temu drake that's hilarious at the stream that is hilarious mondays 7 p.m. central time 8 p.m. each of time crowneders be there that's so funny and I believe that might be it

or is there one more no that is it'll have on to kill it inserted in a fucking ad break into the thing yeah that is fucking hilarious We need the problem. Next thing we're going to do, we're into something we started a couple weeks ago where we're going to, me and Donovan are going to guess a top 10 of something that Moe is going to have for us. Here we go.

The top 10 points are game leaders from 2016. Okay. Yeah. Here we go. Y'all 2016 was a while away, was a while ago. And I hope y'all have some good memory. All right. How well do you remember the 11th grade, Donovan?

Yeah. 11th grade was fun. The 11th grade? That was the time. 11th grade holy shit we're cooked oh and we get the numbers oh we're eating oh you shouldn't put the numbers on there but yeah it's okay let's see what you guys let's see what you guys think can you name the top 10 scores from the oh shit i fucked that up can you name the top 10 scores in 2016 all right number number one we'll go with the MVP of the league give us step

curry easy that is too easy i can only assume the lebron james is up here you are correct Fifth? Who would have thought? I can also only assume that the second MVP, James Hardin, is up here. Oh my goodness. You are correct. He's number two. Who would have thought? Can you give us perennial top score, Kevin Durant? Wow. Shocker. KD is number three.

After that. Was Kamelo and Anthony still on the Knicks going crazy in 2016? He was, right? Donovan, that question is for you? 16. Yes. Yes. Those of his last effective years. Camelo Matthews on his list, right? You are incorrect. Oh.

He is not on this list. But somebody who should be on this list should be Russell Westbrook. Correct. You are correct. Russell West was coming in at number eight. There we go. Easy ones. We're getting easy ones out the way.

After that, Damien Lillard, he already ascended at this point, right? Okay, yeah. 2016 was in your fucking bag. Let's go. Blake Griffin. Ooh, good pick. Blake Griffin, sorry to say, but he is not top 10. Really?

Okay. Oh, no. Is Lamarcus Aldridge on this list? Ooh, sad to say, but Marcus is not top 10. Is Kauai on this list? Damn. Damn, sorry to say, but he is not top 10. Damn.

Sorry to say, but he is number nine. There we go. Congratulations. Congratulations. West teams, East teams. Who's four? Is Calrie Irving on this list? Sorry to say, but he is not on this list.

Okay, I don't think he played enough games this year, actually. All right, 2016, I'm trying to think about who was, who's dominating. Got three spots left. Four, seven, and ten. Warriors Cavs. Yes, four, seven and ten. Running through the contenders. Paul DeLorch?

You are correct. PG-13. Okay. Okay. Good, good. I almost forgot about him. Okay, we didn't have. Is the Marcus Cousin at 7?

Oh, DeMarcus cousins. Was that four actually, bro? Yes. Oh, 2 in 1, you got it, Anthony Davis. Congratulations. You are the winner. Congratulations, guys. You guys did it again.

Immaculate job. Your memory is top tier. Top tier. DeMarcus cousins being a number four is insane, bro. When I saw that, I was like, good God. I forget this man was uber talented. it. Can you believe this was fucking eight years ago? And now this man is on podcast, criticizing Trey Young and telling him that he should leave

the Hawks. God damn, bro. That's crazy. He knows ball. Get out of here. Last thing we do before we get out of here. I'm going to name some NBA teams, and you guys are going to name their most underrated player in franchise history. Okay. Okay. So we've done a lot of episodes where we named the greatest players in franchises history.

we've named the most talented now we're going to do the most underrated real simple first off the phoenix sons underrated players in bay history should i say the man who shot funny sean marion he deserves to be on that he's up there point for sure he helped change the NBA easily if he played today he would have made like fucking 40 million dollars a year he would have been so valuable oh my god he'd be making jillan brown money bro it would been ridiculous. So I'll definitely put Sean Marion on that list. I like that pick. I'm gonna go Sean Marion. I like that. I agree. I like that. I agree. He helped change the game, bro. His archetype was not one of the best, but when it comes to what he did and how effective he was,

bro, he helped change the league. No, no, you're right. Listen, his archetype was amazing. His shooting for him was horrendous. That was, that's what was bad, but he was a great player. That's a good, that's a good pull from like right away. He immediately switched my bitch from half court. Yeah. Sean Marion. Next up. The 76ers. Ooh, man.

One of my favorite players in the NBA to watch. It was T.J. McConnell. But that is a disgusting choice. I know. I know. What are you talking about? I know. I know.

It could it be Donovan's Pepe Sanchez? Man chewing that? Oh, my God. You're playing around. It's probably what? Are we going to go like Andre Aguadala maybe? Because he was nice, he was nice when he was on the Sixers. A hundred percent.

A lot of people don't remember those days. Underrated defensive players of all time. And at that point, he was young. He had, you know, he could really drive. Shooter wasn't quite there yet, but he was one of the better defenders in the league. A problem. I 110% agree. He is one of the best players in history to not make, or he probably won't make a Hall of Fame, the Hall of Fame at all.

Oh, no, he's one of the best to do that. Easy. Really? He's easily making it all. Easy? He only has one all-stars. Not many one-time all-stars in the Hall of Fame.

He has the final team again. It's the basketball Hall of Fame. He was on the greatest teams of all time. He has, what,

like international experience, I think. I'm sure. He's on the most disappointing international team of all time.

He's there, though. He'll make it. I don't know if he was. But him making the Hall of Fame, what happened

to the game that I love. Just give him time. Shit, can I make the Hall of Fame? Am I a legend? All right, next up, the Los Angeles Lakers.

There's, I feel like there's so many good picks here with this one. Underrated. I think carefully. A lot of great players over the years. All they have is stars. No, but a couple tiers below star, Lamar Odom was fantastic. He's another one of those players who would eat in the NBA today. okay

Marum's a good pick do you think the average fan knows how good James Worthy was absolutely not absolutely not come on come on come on he's all famer though but so I can't really be him

is James Torrevy who else who else's name deserves to be up there in that conversation is it weird and actually listen you're right though like James Worthy is in the Hall of Fame

and so I won't use that excuse to say why he's not the most underrated But honestly, like, Dwight Howard? Because even though, and the only reason why I'm saying is because Dwight was still putting up like 19 and 10 with a messed up back his years in LA. Like he was still productive whenever he was there. Kobe just got everybody to hate him. But he was a solid player. I heard my back one time and I couldn't get off the bed.

So 19 to 10 is really impressive. Yeah, honestly, look at James Worthy. I think obviously he's a Hall of Famer. but I think many average fans these days have forgotten about him over time. He gets no PR with young fans whatsoever. Bo. My vote is Lamar Odom.

I think he was that guy. I don't know nothing about Derek Fisher. That's hilarious, right. Tripland. The Cleveland Cavaliers. You all see that shot that Max Drews hit the other night? He might be in class history.

That was crazy. Listen, he has nothing. Yeah. Max Schuze has nothing on Zendrunas, Elgouskis. I was about to say that, bro. I was going to say that. Zendrus Elgis, yeah. It's probably Larry Nance.

I think most people don't think about Larry Nance as one of the better players in franchise history, but he definitely is. As you know, Larry Nance, Larry Nance might get the credit. It might be Mark Price. Oh, yeah, yeah. People quickly go to Kyrie Irving is the best guard in Cavs history. Mark Price is definitely up there. That's the one.

You guys hit it on the head. That's the one for sure. Mark Price, you are the most underrated player in Cavs history. Yeah Alright next up To Chicago Bulls I love this I want to say Joe Kim Noah

Wait is he underrated Same exact thing I'm glad you said that Another player that if you played today With that passing from a big man It would be used so much more than it was back in late 2010s I still won the best defenders of his generation So we're not giving Lou Aldang his credit Shout out to Willow Dan

You did a lot for the African kids across the country bro his credit, but I'm not giving you that. You didn't think Lou Aldane would appear in this TikTok. But he did. Are we not giving Tyrus Thomas his credit? Who? Oh, man. That's what I'm saying, underrated.

What do we do it? Tony Kooch? Tony Kooch is crazy. Oh, my goodness. I think he's like, he might, he gets a lot of love, actually. It's like, oh, he's so underrated. Yeah. You might get a little too much love.

Joe Kim No, was an MVP discussions, That was a nut. That was crazy. I don't know if that's like, showed how down bad the NBA was or how good he was. Maybe a little bit of both. No, he was great. He was great.

He was like top four in MVP voting, I believe, at one point of time. It's crazy. Listen, there was one year where he was at the top of the league in triple doubles with four. Crazy time, bro. Crazy numbers in 2011. He's based in the only way, if you think about it. With defense and nice hair, too?

That might be the goats That might be the goats Oh god I love that shit Alright next up The New York Knicks Hmm Who is the most

Underweight player in Knicks history That's a great question Really? He was a disappointment though Not really Oh my God No not really at all Now

If we're talking about Trait Burke back when he had Braids I might lean him I I'm leading towards Amarri Stademeyer because because Amarstademeyer if it wasn't for not only the injuries but whenever Carmelo showed up that really changed what he was doing but he was going crazy when he first got to New York and then they brought in Carmela and that kind of threw everything off but he was really really good and I don't think looking back on that era we

look at everything that he was able to accomplish. Wow. So maybe, maybe Stad Am I? Listen, there was like a 20 year. Actually, no, no, no, no, no. My bad. It's David Lee. Oh, okay.

David Lee. David Lee was out here hooping for a long time. See, when you said the last name, Lee. I haven't thought about David Lee in like 12 years. I love this. Let's go David Lee. I was thinking about Courtney Lee before David Lee, bro. That's crazy as hell.

Shout to Courtney Lee. He was a problem. Warriors legend. Yeah, man. Man, I'm not going to like, David Lee is a perfect answer. I love that shit. Which I know about Dave. I love it.

I don't know nothing. Run, man, with a little sloop for a hair haircut. His hair coat was very interesting for the time. I had him in my team in 2K13. He was a fucking demon. Listen, Delanoi, David Lee. Oh, my goodness.

If you wanted to see a blowout on Christmas Day, that was the team to tune into. They were going to get blown out by 25 every Christmas. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. I love that shit, right. All right, man. That's the last one.

And that's the end of the episode. Mo, if people are still here, what should actually know? Happy birthday, Donovan. Comment, happy birthday, Donovan. Or comments, let's keep Moe out of the hood. No, it's Isaac's high, bro. I was going to say, let's get Moe out of the hood. Most trying to be nice.

Isaac's like, yeah, comment, happy birthday, Donovan. It's Friday, spam his IG. Go it, spam his TikTok. He deserves that shit. Nikil, go to jail. Isaac and he's like, shut up, bro. I don't care about that. There you go, bro.

So what. Good God, bro. He's for the content. That's not at all on our mess. What an ending, bro. All right, fuck it. Let's get Datscomb go back into the hood. No.

What the fuck that. Happy D'Othervin. We don't care about most come up. It's happy birthday, Donovan. That's hilarious. Happy birthday Donovan, man. Go back to the Bronx. Sounds like a slur