The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Most Valuable Players In The NBA | Ep. 103

Episode Date: August 23, 2024

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It's a special episode because this is the end of year two of ranking season. In the last five weeks, we went position by position and ranked the top 30 players in the NBA at each spot, point guard through center. That part of ranking season is done. So at this time last year, we did our episode 50 where we ranked the top 50 players of all time. Obviously, we're not going to do it every year. We're not going to keep rehashing Jordan versus LeBron every single summer. But I feel like every year we've got to, you know, end it with a very interesting ranking. so today we're going to do the top 30 most valuable players in the NBA that's not best players

in the NBA it's most valuable and we're framing is basically like if you did a redraft of the entire NBA which players would you select to build your team around so it's a long-term plus short-term view however you quantify value that's where we're ranking that's the best way to go and put it now will we stay consistent with that we're TD3 probably not no we've never had a rankings where we all think of things in the same way it's always different points of view I guess some people come for. Oh, I love this. We spent 20 minutes last week on like Kat versus Chet.

It's going to get nasty this week. Ooh, we did. Prepare for the most absurd rankings you've ever seen because these lists are surely going to be insanely different because even when we do the point guard through center, we have difference in opinions, different things weighed differently, you know, like I weigh defense more,

Mo weighs future potential more, stuff like that. You cannot be more subjective than most valuable. So we're begging for different points of you. that inevitably are going to lead to all of us thinking one another are stupid as hell. This is testing our morals, really, our NBA morals. That's going to be great. And like the comments, there's always people in the comments section that ride for each of us individually. Everybody has a little click at people that think they know the best.

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we can get to you yeah to comment anything I guess there you go those are half a little prompts yeah let's get into it the top 30 most valuable

players in the NBA let's start arguing the cranium is crazy oh my god I mean I don't know what to say Brian Eaters

rejoice so you guys know by now how we do this is we go block by block revealing five at a time as you move up our list but before we get into 26 through 30 on our list I figured we should do some honorable mentions players that we really consider on the list and feel like deserve to be in the conversation for you know top 30 most valuable but just couldn't quite make the mark okay I got four for me my first four cuts were dari's garland Larry Markanen Franz Wagner and Jaron Jackson, Jr. Okay. Very difficult to leave them off.

Very, very difficult for different reasons. I have three honorable mentions. I have Dane. I have Lamello and I have Cade Cunningham. Dame, man. Some of those names were the bottom. We'll see it. Those are on my list, but just barely.

So that makes total sense to me. Dame is very understandable. Lamello. I don't understand that very much. but when I look at the speaker, okay, I get it. He said, I see him more. Exactly. That was very insulting.

What I remember, it's a dumb-ass talking. I didn't say all that. But my five honorable mentions. One, Franz Wagner, two, Desmond Bain, three, Darius Garland, four, Evan Mobley, and five, Lari Markening. It makes sense. So similar names in these groups. Darius Garland is one I feel the worst about.

When you see who's at my 28, 29, and 30, Garland is very much in that tier. I just let them off just because the guys above him have slightly more potential, but it's just slightly. Yeah, no, I wanted to put them in the list, but because of just the way that things are, like, fizzled out for the Cleveland Cavaliers, along with Donovan Mitchell and Donald Mitchell's showing

how expendable Dary's Garland is, it's hard to fight for him, you know? Yeah. Okay, let's move on to 26 or 30. I think all of us, the operal mentions we gave, some of the other people have them on the list. So we'll have time to talk about all these guys individually. Yeah. Up first, and the first block is me. As you guys see, I have these colors next to these names. These are tiers. I made my guys into tiers, and I'll explain to you what each color tier means because it's very important to understand why I rang two I put where. Okay.

But you know, my first five. At 26, I have Deeran Fox, 27 Tyrese Maxie, 28 lamello ball, 29 Cade Cunningham and 30 Alperin Sengoon Wow okay 30 Alphrensingun 28 and 29 Cade Cunningham and Lamello ball Those two are not in similar situations

because Lamello already been an all-star But things have been holding him back Just like Kate Cunningham For Lamele's body and for Cade Is just the city he plays in Detroit Yeah So for the red tier you see right here The bottom three guys they're in their own tier

These guys are labeled as my tier six high ceiling but question marks and like you said lamello cannot stay healthy cannot develop properly because his ankles betray him and i don't know if that's ever going to change so that's probably why don't let them off i assume yeah that's why i have him so low kate cunningham basketball hell i believe in him i believe in his archetype a player that has so much value that i have to keep on the list but he hasn't been able to show quite as much the guys above him simply because of team construction and sing goon at 30 i couldn't leave him off the list i feel like he proved himself too much last year that he deserves the nod over like the guys below him i think if things

cracked for him well and he you know there's a sliding scale of european passing bigs right the valentunus sabonis vusovitch jokic like that scale if he can hit at the highest ceiling possible and be more yokic than he has a bonus he needs to be on the list just for that slight reason but i can't put him much higher than like obviously fox and maxi right above him are all stars yeah that's that's very that's very fair i think Yeah. I mean, you hit it on the nose with Lamello and Cade. That's exactly. And again, they were my first cuts. So they're like three spots away from being right here. And then I guess like explaining me why, why Maxie is obviously like he's in the same tier as Deer and Fox. But why is he lower than Deerrin? Okay. So for context first, I guess I should explain what this next year is. You see the orange next to them. That tier is tier five. Elite second options.

So keep in mind, this list is players that if we were doing a redraft for the entire league, who we would take to build our team around. So with this being the top 30, these guys would have to be your first pick, right? These are guys that are going to be like the best player on your team, essentially. And the guy's in orange tier who are again right above the red tier. These are guys that I don't believe can ever be the best player on your team if you want to win a championship. That's not going to happen. If you have Fox or Maxi, you're not winning a chip with them leading your team.

But obviously, like I said, they can be elite second options. And I just think Fox is a little bit better than Maxie. He's a better passer. We know scoring is comparable. One's an inside outscore. One's a shooting heavy. Defensively, I think Fox brings a little more playmaking, even though neither of them are like stoppers.

I just think Fox is better than Maxie. And I know Maxie's younger, but I don't think Maxie has like a huge ceiling better than what he is now. You know, like he's going to keep getting better. I'm not trying to say he's peaked or anything. But I don't see him taking like a superstar jump that makes him clearly better than Foxxie me. Wow.

I guess you guys think max is a higher ceiling than fox no yeah i agree with you just in general my thought process like your range and how you're describing like how you're ranking these players so far makes a ton of sense i think a lot of people have an idea of daren fox if he's ever going to be like on a championship team he should be the best player at least that's what he was drafted for and you've seen some type of success but i don't know how good of a second option he would be i think Tyree's Max, you'd be a better second option than Deerrin Fox. Well, I know what you mean. I think when people talk about options, people have a very limited view of it.

I say he has to be the second best player. That doesn't mean he won't have the most touches. He's a point guard end of the day. Like, I think Chad Holmgren will be better than him eventually. Like I think he has a higher ceiling. But he won't be a guy that touches the ball more than Deer and Fox. One's a point guard, one's a center. So you need to have a player better than him, whether it's a defender, an off ball score,

on ball score, whatever may be. But Fox can be your main ball handler. Just can't be the most talented player, you know? Like, if Kevin Durant was on his team, Fox was still dribble more, but Katie's a better player, you know? Yeah, that's fair. I think, and I, just from these first five, I can see kind of how, like, you're looking at valuable. Because I think, like, we're talking about a trade package for Deere Fox rather than a trade package for Maxi. I think the package for Maxi would be much bigger than what it would be for Fox.

Really? I think 100%. Much bigger? I think much bigger. I think, like, you have to add at minimum, another first round whatever the package is for d'am fox add another first round pick and then you can get to to where maxi is maxi's three years he's three years younger than than that makes sense yeah right he's three he's three years younger he also has the the benefit of playing meaningful games you

saw him in the in the first round last year where you know has that crazy game winner in in uh in the first round and he has this sense around him where one everybody seems to like him he seems like a really good dude he seems like he can be a leader and all that you know all that type of stuff and then again the age aspect of it joel goes out his scoring can go up to 27 he shoots a very very high percentage from three where even though that like darren is getting better as a shooter it feels more natural for tyrese maxi and it feels like a little bit more sustainable so i i mean i'll spoil it like i have maxi a little bit higher than this just because i do think that if we were drafting and if we were trading for these two guys they would

kind of be in different tiers. Yeah, I think maybe you're right, it would be the extra pick because he's younger, but I think a lot of that fans and GMs alike are victim to youth bias where we assume guys will continue to get better

inevitably forever versus older guys or like finish products so we have more bias towards them. But I think Foxy's better than Maxie. I mean Foxy, I think Fox is better than Maxie right now. That's debatable. Obviously Maxi was an all-star this year. Fox wasn't. I think they're going to go on similar trajectories like if it all comes under fit on your specific team so like maxi's a better fit which well and be that's for sure but like if you think another another team construction fox would be a better fit on the suns than maxi would you know like it goes team to team I think they're comparable enough of players that I went with the guy that I think is better right now but if you if you believe maxi has another jump to pick that makes him above fox long term and I'm mad at it they're obviously in the same tier for me but I feel like fox just kind of earned that respect yeah I think like Like even if, even if you think that they're at the same level right now,

you can get another three years of like really, really good production. And at least in the NBA right now, three years is an entire era of, you know, certain teams is entire construction. Yeah. So you, that's fair. Yeah. I think Fox is young enough though that I'm not really thinking about it, but that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah. I think I see like I'm foreseeing right now like potential just differences that we have when it comes to how we're approaching this. ranking right now age definitely matters like when i'm oh yeah drafting four teams quote unquote youth is one of the most important things just because just naturally because like if you have more years left in your in your NBA career whatever that just give me the more opportunity to like run it back run it back run it back continuously but there's certain players where it doesn't matter because they're just like great three years yeah absolute peak greatest doesn't

matter what the next 15 years this next player can give me when i was ranking initially i realized like It's super easy to just rank the youngest players in NBA because they have all the time in the world. They'll keep getting better. So I tried not to let myself just like default to that because that's like way too easy. You know, and that's the thing that people do too much when they rank stuff like this. It's just like the rookie number one picked from last year must be number one because he's going to be the next star and he's the youngest. And I don't think that's a very substantive conversation. Like in the next five years, if you can be a contender, you're still in your prime. That's enough runway for me. Like Fox probably has seven years of prime left, a really good year. That's enough runway that I'm not really that concerned with the age gap there. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. Again, like it depends on the player really. Yeah.

But I agree. I definitely, youth matters. I just try not to overvalue it because then it could get like, we could just have the youngest players in NBA is at top five, which doesn't feel like a useful conversation to me. Yeah, because especially because a lot of times you want them to grow into something that some people already are like right now. Exactly. So, so yeah, I get it. Precisely. Okay.

Well, let's go the next five. I don't know. You guys don't have tears run down. but if you guys want to talk about like vague tiers you guys i think there's like you'll see like some consistencies there's like you know there's a few consistencies here and there within each tier um so at 26 i have anthony davis 27 i'm out of bio 28 kate cunningham 29 jalen brown and 30 some of y'all's honorable mentions jarring jackson junior now looks back to what i said age matters for me and the runway that i have with the player matters

because I'm thinking, like, how much opportunities will have with this specific player by the time, like, 2030 or 2035 hits, you know? And for Anthony Davis specifically, Andrew Houston and all that, just had one of the most healthiest seasons last year in a few years that we've seen. But I had to dock him a little bit because having him, if I was having him as, like, my first option or whatever, wouldn't get me necessarily that far. Same thing applies to him, even though he has a lot of that youth. a lot more youth by his side there's like a ceiling kate cunningham is 28 for like obvious reasons i love the player archetype that he is but there's only so far that you can take me jane brown is so respect like a respectable player like i don't know how to gauge where he drafts still semi young 28 or whatever but at the same time too can't be the forefront of your team can't be the guy

in the team yeah the ad thing i have him hugely higher same because i see what you're saying about the youth thing, but I think it's important to balance what they can do for you in seven years versus what they can do for the next three or four years. And as much as we like every young player in the world and want to root for them to be great, we want to say Palos can be this, Chet can be this, Scottie Barnes can be this. Most players don't become top ten players in the world. So if you're a top ten player in the world right now, you're going to be high on my list probably, unless you're like LeBron and you have a year and a half in the NBA left. If you're a top ten player and you have five years of effective basketball for me left, that matters.

to me more than being an all-star-level guy for 10 years. You know, like, in the NBA, you need to have that top-end, top-end talent. And even though Anthony Davis is 31, probably only has, like, three years of prime and two years of all-star level left, that's enough runway that I rank him in the top 15. Yeah. Yeah. If you're going by that standard, that completely makes sense. I'm just looking at it through a different lens.

And if you really think those two, three years, like Trump potential, I don't know, if I would to put Jaron Jackson a lot higher, like the 10 more years that Jaron Jackson can give me, completely understand. understand. But in this scenario, like, I don't, whatever Jaron Jackson is, like right now, he's like 24 years old or whatever. I don't care. He could be 36. I'm still taking 31 year old Anthony Davis. Yeah. Okay. I like the JFK cutting him on this list. Donovan, you say let them off, right? Yeah, he was one of my honorable mentions, one of my first cuts. What else jumps out to you on those list? Uh, I mean, listen, we talked about AD. Jalen Brown should be higher than 29.

I think like Jalen Jalen is a guy who right now is in his prime and he is really really stepping in like to being really really good offensively he's obviously you know good defensively like just being able to be one of the better two-way guys in the league and on one side of the of the ball like when you start talking about you know averaging 24 25 points points per game something that Jalen Brown can do that really really matters and so I I I I I don't know. I think like in a backcourt construction. In your specific list, it makes sense, kind of, because like I think that Andy Davis is more valuable than Jana Brown. But overall, I would have both of them higher than 26 or 29. And BAM too. I mean, again, so this whole tier, we kind of got to see who's above them.

I'll definitely return to BAM the next year once we see who's above him because I, spoiler, also have him much higher. So I'm definitely going to want to hear some comparisons for BAM. out of bio next yeah for sure well who's donovan's first five all right at 26 i have paul george 27 i have trey young 28 i have de r fox 29 i have jimmy butler and then at 30 i have evan mowgli um paul george at 26 okay paul george made the list wow okay i mean you're freaking paul georgia for trey young if i if i needed to win right now yeah i i would but what has paul george done to like make you say that i don't even know if i knew for this year no no i i think that listen

industry plan yeah stop you got some jacket coming in you try to get planted i think i think that i think that pa george if you have paul george as like your third star it could it could work i don't think tri young can be the best player on the championship team and i'm not sure with his archetype he can be the number two. I think he either has to be the best player and you try to win around that or you have a very clear one two and then you let Trey like actually run

a very like traditional style of point guard and I look at Trey and I look at what he's been able to do and kind of where we're going forward and by that standard I don't know if I would want him to either be the center of my team I have to pay him all this, you know, all this crazy money moving forward. I'm going to have to have him as the number one. I just, I feel like there's a little bit of limitations where even though that Paul

George is declining, if I put him on the number, as a number three, like in Philadelphia this year, I think that that can elevate them a little bit. If the Clippers had two other stars that, you know, their knees didn't fall apart every, every May and James Hardin, you know, didn't turn into, you know, small, small imbid or whatever like i think i think i think i think paul george could have been more effective in in that role instead of having to do a lot but plug and play you get what two two and a half more of like really really good paul george years yeah i'll take that yeah i think i don't have paul george or jimmy butler on my list do you guys you have here because again i try to balance

the youth thing so i have if players right now are a top 10 player and they're old i would want them for those top 10 years i don't think paul george jimmy but they are sniffing that level anymore so the fact that they've already declined a little bit and they have a couple years left before they're entering their wash stage i couldn't consider them in the top 30 it's still like a you know a win now thing where yeah you know like and that matters yeah like that matters for sure yeah like jim jimmy can still come in and he can still help a team win again 26 through through 30 this is not where i have the guys who are going to be one a options on championship level teams right so we'll have what we might have to get creative in terms of

what the team structure looks like but they are but they are still still very solid and so you know that that's why i have them there d'n fox i have him you know same tier as isa try young already explained that and then eva mowbly could have been a first cut um honestly i but i he bothers me very much offensively he is still extremely good defensively so So, like, that matters and that, and that ability to be able to, like, plug and play in, even if you never get a three-point shot, having a demon at the four that can be very versatile defensively, like, yeah, that matters if we're talking about winning ring. So he, he should be on here.

Y'all are going to hate me. Y'all going to hate me so much. Oh, my God. Oh, God, your own bullshit next round? Okay. I ain't on bullshit. I'm speaking a real. Oh, my God.

Okay, we can move on the next year. We have to see the next year before we can look back at these ones. Donovan, who is your 21 through 25? At 21, I have Bam. At 22, I have Zion. At 23, I have Jalen Brown. 24, I have Tyrese. At 25, I have Lowry.

Yeah. Lowry at 25. Okay, so you value these win now guys, which I understand. Maybe I didn't value them enough. But, I mean, Larry, Larry could be on here. I get that. He's young, too. Yeah.

And it's the same thing that I said earlier. A lot of guys, you draft them, and everyone's like, oh, wow. like, you know, in three, four, five years, this, you know, they're going to turn it into this. We're going to be three years down the line still saying this is the year. Jalen Green is going to, you know, is going to break out. There's guys already doing exactly what you want Jalen Green to be. There's a reason why Lowry, one, got the extension. There's a reason why he's one of the top trade targets in the league is because he can go into so

many teams and fit what they do, right, provide an element to their offense that not everybody has in terms of like an off ball sharpshooter the way that that he can. And again, and he is still fairly young. So he can help, he can help winning at a very, very high level. Obviously, once again, not going to be your top guy. Can you get away with him being your second offensive option? And then you have like an Evan Mobley where he handles the defense and you kind of have that, you know, that argument of who's the second best player, the really good defender or the really good

offensive player. Yeah, maybe. But I think that Lowry is. That'd be a dope duo. I never thought about that. Lowry and Mowgli would be awesome together. It would be crazy. But that's the, that's the kind of situation that he won't be defense though. Maybe. So actually it'll be fun. It'll be fun. So that's my next one. Okay. I have Bam, Halliburton and Brown in this tier as well. I have Zion a tier higher. No mystery why we disagree on Zion. You obviously have lower because Burger Man, you think he's unhealthy all the time. I get it. It's not even

Burger Man. Yeah, it's not even Burger Man anymore. Because last year last year there were parts, especially during the second half of the season where he looked in shape. It's just the thing happened again where we get we get to the play and we get to the playoffs. I need you to be there. I don't care if it's your fault or not. I just know that you are kind of always hurt and personally if I have if I have the injury history

on you, I am not going to prioritize you over some other guys who are a little bit more durable. So you can have him much, much higher, and I wouldn't blame you. I understand. That's just a fundamental difference that we have already said plenty of times on the show. I understand. I understand. Completely understand. But it tells me, Donovan, you ain't seen them news on those and pics that dropped on Twitter

the other day. I did. And stuff. I did. Back to his Duke weight or lower than it. Got a beer now, too. did you see that that beard is terrible by the way that beard looks like it looks on it's very strange

it's very strange yeah listen if zion didn't have health issues he would be in the top 10 of this list without question easy pushing top five honestly because of that the health issues do exist so I have him you know lower than that

I can't go as low as 22 his ceiling is way too high where you compare him to guys between like 15 and 22 I'm like I understand you guys have a safer bit if I'm starting a team over I'm thinking about value, I want to take high risk bets. You don't get anywhere by picking a safer player that's going to be an all-star, but never going to explode and lead your team to victory. Whatever the chance is, if it's small with Zion, I want to take that chance because if he

hits and can be the best version of himself, he can pretty easily lead you to a championship one day. Yeah, I'd rather have someone like Zion Williamson who can be, who has the potential a chance to be like an all-time player and put the risk in bed in that like, you know, it's a 45-60 chance or 40-60 chance. that he'll hit or miss because of injuries I'm fine with that that's just like natural causes I'd rather be stuck with someone like that than like I don't know

like this is not a great comparison but like someone like a J-dub or like a Scotty Barnes or something like that because yeah exactly Scottie Barnes is clearly higher yeah Scotty Barnes is clearly higher than him here I love Scottie Barnes and the biggest Scotty Barnes fan on the show I'm picking the ceiling of Zion easily

yeah and that's how you get it I mean after you're disappointed. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be like that. You can live like that. Like some brisket every year.

Exactly. You can, you can do that. I can't live like that. I can't live that way. Texas. Yeah, Texas briskey, man. That shit slides off really easily.

Different. Shake it off. You don't know about that. You don't know about that. At all. You know that bullshit Brooklyn barbecue. I've been there before. They gave you a little tiny little portions.

You don't know about overnight smokes. When it comes to barbecue, I reside with Georgia. But we can go ahead and roll into the next spot. In inferior. All right. Yep, next up. All right.

Next up. Who's your 21 to 25? God damn, man. It hurts. 21, Tyrese maxi. 22. Steph Curry. You're 36 years old.

LeBron James. You're 39. What is that in here? What is happening here? The oldest player in the league. 24. Joel Embed. His luck could fall off at any given moment.

24, Joelle and Bede? What are we doing? Why are we ranking you for putting Charlenebita 24? Even I didn't do that. Let me finish. Stephen I didn't finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. 25. Kevin Durant. Notice it. This is the old head tier.

The old. Plus Maxie. Plus Maxie. Plus Maxie. Plus Maxie. Old head. You'd rather have Maxie than Embed. Do you'd rather have Zion than Embed? How are you talking about, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to let you finish. Sorry. Go ahead. So when it comes to Embed, similar type, not similar type time when it comes to Zion, because Embedde does play, just doesn't do it to the fullest potential, as we know. But this range specifically is just old head tier. With Curry, I might only have three more years left of him being spectacular.

Now, if you think his three years surpasses Tyrese Max's 12 years of being like all-star type perennial, that's very fair. And I could agree with you on that type of circumstance. LeBron James maybe has one or two more years left. Cool. Same type timing falls with Durant and. Embed, I just generally don't know how much longer he's going to be able to play because something always happens.

And it just ends up being a continuous letdown. Like the difference between Joelle Embed and his playoff outcome versus like Paul George, who's not even on my list, is like the same shit. It's just regular season entertainment at this point. I get it. I understand it. I understand Joel Embed has to be lower than his talent. Everybody will agree on that.

But 24, Tyrese Maxi is a low level all-star. He will sneak in. He will not be an all-star. every year. LeBron is going to play for two more years probably. Curry also old as shit. I'm sure there's days above him that are drastically below and beats talent level. And I understand the disappointment that every year, you know no matter how good he plays in regular season, no matter how many MVP he wins, he's going to get injured. I understand it. It's just like Zion, where you're going to take that bet that one year he doesn't get injured and he can lead you to a title because

he is certainly that good. He's a top three player in the NBA at worst top four. 24 is outrageous even with the injury concerns. I'm shocked. I tax and beat even more because he's like, what, 30, 31 years old? Because I generally don't think he's going to be able to play at this level for like two, three more years because of the consistency. Two more years. I don't know.

That's how much he worries me. He's continuously elevated and all that other stuff. But this shit adds up. He's a really big dude. You're right. You're right. So it's like I'm looking at him. I think he has like the same amount of gas and left in his tank as Curry and LeBron.

That's how I think I'm going to need right now. because injuries, they catch up so much. They catch up. You're right. That's what scares me. If it wasn't for the injuries, then I would have a couple tiers higher for sure. Wow.

I get it. In principle, I'm with you. I just didn't put them that much lower. Yeah. But I get it. I get it. Now again,

I am a GM. I'm trying to put my team in the best position to win for multiple, for years upon years, decades and stuff like that. Me too. And if I can get one year of the brimony, healthy and beat you go win a title just one

I mean you don't even know that though yeah you can say like if you have you got one year LeBron or Curry I can understand you can boost him to 10 I mean you don't know anything in the NBA but what I do know for a fucking certainty is there's not four not five players more talented than Joelle and be in the league right now

and every year he has his shortcomings some of them have been performance basis that you know sometimes he shoots poorly 90% of his shortcomings in the playoffs have an injury related and listen a broken clock strikes this many times he's going to get injured again i understand that eventually he won't they're eventually i don't know he doesn't you don't know that hopefully he could i don't know i don't know he could just be brandon roy but i

offer off of principle the fact that you have zion higher than imb that's the that's the only it's simple math zon is 24 and mb's like 31 you don't think that's a huge difference but you don't think that like that zion only has a limited amount of of years like zion's trajectory is the same as joel Embed, where you have this very, very talented player who can do a lot, but it seems that every single year, whenever the playoffs come around, he's going to get hurt. And you're just, like, they're the same, they're the same player. And so honestly, I would have Embed higher just because you might have six more years of heartbreak with Zion because you're going to get to the playoffs so many times that he's going to get hurt. Whereas with him beat, he's already right there.

And in the day If you want to win a championship The easiest path There's many paths People kind of simplify it too many times But the easiest more sure path by far Is getting an MVP on your team There's always so many of those guys

Even if you have the downside The sheer ability to be an MVP caliber player Means you have to be To a certain threshold on this list That's far above 24 to me Facts Isaac who's your five How I reveal it

My minor in tiers So this next tier is all the same It's still elite second options We're still in the orange tier that Fox and Maxi were in. At 21, I had J-dub. 22, I had Bamatabio. 23, Jalen Brown, 24 Scotty Barnes, and 25 Tyrese Halliburton. So again, all these guys are...

Harrison Barnes. What in the blue moon? So again, all these guys are still in this tier of being elite second options. I don't believe any of these guys can be... Or, no, it's it can be. Are likely to be the best player in a championship team. Obviously, crazy things happen. Maybe there's like three guys in the same team,

and somebody has to be the best player. but I don't find it likely that these guys will be the guy to lead you to a chip in any consistent way, but if they're your second best player in their prime, you're going to do a lot of damage and that's very valuable. Okay. I'm a firm believer in Bamatabio,

J. Dubb, Scotty Barnes, second best player, locked down. Jalen Brown, we witness him be the first best player or whatever people want to have. Discord. I like it all. There's okay placement for Tyreysman, though. It's okay placement. Okay. Yeah. I like it. Could be better. I'm too mad. I have him higher. Um, but his age is carrying him. Not the actual town. Yeah. Or just yet. It's kind of bucked off my screen. Are you telling me of him higher when you have him one spot higher? Say you? Oh, no, no. No, my bad. I was looking at Donovan's list. I thought you had him at 24. And I was like, are you fucking petty bitching me one spot? I am that type of person, but not right now.

Okay. How do you guys feel? Do you guys have jaded up higher than me? Because you haven't said his name yet. Yes. Yes. Yes. J.D. Oh, I thought I was going to be the highest on J-Dub. Okay. Nope, we're doing your job for you. Interesting. Okay, the propaganda's being pushed. Yeah, it was hard for me to play some, obviously.

He's an interesting player that is really good right now, really young. I think can be extremely good. But a lot of the guys above him are either sure bets to be really good, have a slightly higher ceiling or already as good. Whereas like Donovan was saying, we can project guys to be so great, but some guys are already that. So I have some stars above him that are, like, older, that you guys obviously already had below i haven't said lebron currie or kd yet obviously

so i'm assuming that's the difference here is you just projected with age more with jdu yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah and i listen we'll we'll talk about jdub whenever i i get to him i'm wondering i'm wondering if mo has him higher but i'm very curious to see what this is about what i'm noticing is like i feel like donovan is like the perfect balance between like what i have going on in terms of age and what you have going on right now isa when it comes just like how good are you right now and like I'm not doing how good are you right now necessarily I mean it matters I mean compared to my list you're doing that yeah well compared to your list yeah yeah these guy old guys young is low as shit but no I'm really when I say elite second options

I'm what I project you to be in the prime of your career whenever they may be so jdub I think can be like the 18th best playing elite which I think is a very lofty expectation for him that's probably still needs to be a second option basically I think jadub can be almost exactly what jaylon Brown is now slightly better i think that's why i haven't just above him but it's close so he'll be like uh what paul george was in his absolute peak no i think paul george says i think paul george's peak was like the ninth or tenth best player in the league mbpg his defense of peak was ridiculous right that 2019 year his yeah no i was gonna give us some gas but you and your mbpg shit we got to skip it is there anything else interesting here that you guys want to talk about in mine uh no

i think it's a pretty standard tier yeah it's pretty simple say obviously it's pretty easy to see them being yeah it's pretty easy to see them being great second options on a team yeah we like this all right next year let's break into the top 20 who's up first oh it's me again right for i'm snaking this the most part so as you guys see trey young is my number 20 he's the last of this elite second option tier in the orange after this we break into tier four and tier four is the green one and i label this can be my best player if things break right so i don't expect them to leave me to championship but they very much can in the perfect scenario or not even perfect in a good scenario Jalen Brunson this year with

the Knicks they can win the chip it you know it's because they have a stacked team around him but not necessarily because he's like a obviously best player at championship team but if your team around you is good enough they can do the job and in this tier to start I have Zion Williamson at 16 Palo Bancaro at 17 LeBron at 18 and Jalen Brunson at 19 and then Tray Young at 20 like I said okay so I think you I think you're hating a little bit on on uh on jalen brunson i think i i do the top 20 was viable player to leave i listen i do think that brunson shut this guy up listen he's just a little bit higher i i think i think i think that's the thing i also think that you hate on on palo we had this conversation

when we were talking about the the top power forwards i think i think palo's ceiling is higher than what yeah what you may think and i think that he can be a a legitimate like number one option perennial all-star all-nbba kind of kind of guy agree. So yeah. So I don't know. I have older stars above him. Keep my I'm not lower on Palo than you. I don't think I just have some guys that are older above him because I didn't devalue them too much. That's the biggest difference here. Okay. I am not low on Palo, but I do think there's, so people are going to see this and they're going to, the first thought in their mind is going to be why the fuck is Palo not top 10. That's why what you just thought, right? Yeah. And I get it. If you want to go to the best case scenario, there is definitely a world where Palo is top five player in the league. That's not hard to imagine. I think. I think. I'm trying to think of a player to compare him to. When Luca Donchus was his age in year two, he was already first team all NBA, and we looked at him and we already saw damn near like complete version of a superstar. We knew he had to improve in some things.

We knew he had to get better offball playing with stars. Defensive intensity had to come up, but we saw the groundwork for superstar already. Palo, I think we see that, but we see that in like an outline. We see, oh, this guy's really big and can score well. If he puts it together, the ceiling is crazy, but I don't think he's quite shown the consistency across all the skill sets. He has a lot more left he has to develop. And I had to balance what I think you can do

versus how likely that is compared to some other guys. Like, he was so great in the playoffs last year because he made a lot of mid-range jumpers. That's not consistent. That's not something you do every year. He didn't elevate as a player because the jump shot fell in a little bit more than usual. Over a sample size, he was basically the same guy.

He just shot really well, which is good for him. You got to do that. But he didn't make this huge leap as a player that changed who you is. Like, I don't think that seven-game simplifies to change how you view him. And if we're looking at the 82-game samples, has before that he is not a good rim finisher right now doesn't get there nearly enough he's

one of the most inefficient volume shooters in the league i forgot the exact stat but it was something like of players that i average over 20 points per game he was in the bottom three in true shooting which he's young that's fine young no spacing he's got to be that low he'll get better but it's not like a sure thing framework this guy's going to be a top file player in the league like there still has to be developments which i am very confident he can do but it's not a guarantee yet because those flaws are still there that we have to assume he'll make up for that's a lot of work to say that palo's a hooper like palo i don't know palo is he is uh if you need a bucket he'll get it he will he will i about 42% of the time he is he is a higher level of what kuttingham is

is at right now where like kate cunningham and he's a lot higher than him i know but i'm saying i'm saying like kate is in the absolute depths of basketball hell and the absolute like worst situation for your development. Obviously, the magic are a much better team, the organization is developing guys better. You could have a much better situation for what is around Palo for what his skill set is. And the one thing, and we talked about it during free agency, is how are they going to go about developing him? Because you can try and do the thing where you're trying to do the same thing with Jason Tatum

where it's like, hey, you're just point forward and you're going to handle everything. Or you can say, let's actually bring in a point guard and then all you have to do is worry about getting buckets. I think if that happens, then we're really, really going to see Paolo get to like the next level where you can take a lot of the playmaking load off of his shoulders. And then everything that he does well would be high end. Right. So that's, I agree. I think I think like that's the, that's the situation where it's at. But I don't think that his talent or his value is really caught up.

up in that. I think that's more of like a front office thing. And whether or not the front office does that, that's more on them rather than Palo or the bet that I'm taking on him right now. I just think that I agree with you. Like I again, I think the ceiling is there. I'm not shitting on Palo. I've shot on him in the past in current day comparisons when we talk about who he is the player today. And that's the problem is I think people need to slow the role a little bit. He very much has the ceiling. But people are so caught up in the age bias and the aesthetic bias of how he plays that they look past the flaws that still have to be developed. And again, I'm not saying they won't, but it's people are very quick to discount those flaws

and say it's all the team environment that you wouldn't be able to get to the rim either if there was no spacing. So-and-so player wouldn't be able to do it either. Players, it's not that black and white. Players have played with poor spacing before and still shown rim talent, still shown the ability to produce in areas that could be perceived as a harder area to producing with lack of spacing. And he doesn't play with terrible spacing every play of the game. There's plenty of lineups that are played and in all those lineups. He's not good at getting to the right now. He is not that efficient right now. Just how bad the Orlando Magic

have been historically over the last 10 years. They haven't had a solid offense since the Dwight Howard era. So I understand you. I think people genuinely tend to lean too hard on like, oh yeah, like excuse, you know, like team bad, no spacing or whatever. But it's not that simple. Yeah,

I think there's a fine line. I just like you, there's like literal things within his game, in his DNA and how he reads the game in terms of just like how he likes to take his shots that hasn't sold you that much just yet and i think similar to what the dallas mavericks did like year one they had dennis smith junior and they had that um experiment two two point guard experiment or whatever before they really realized luca was the guy and they set him up perfectly the olando managed to do something similar they're just it's just taking them some time and

because of the defense of identity and how far along they've gone already within just one year they're locking in is that the best thing i don't think so i think you need someone we can relieve pressure and stress from polo so he can still be big and thrive as one of the biggest most physical dominant and like mobile bigs in the NBA well that but he's not that he's not the most dominant physical anything like that's not how he plays like what you just said is the exact thing we want him to be that we want him to be like blake griffing getting to the rim while having mellows jumper but he hasn't done it and he still can again I still think there's a chance that he does that which he's the second highest non-all-star on my list everybody else is just proven

he's the second highest non-all-star so I don't exactly I'm not exactly low on him. It's just I have some proven guys above him, I think, that are older than you guys ranked higher. Yeah. But again, there's just too many question marks compared to other guys that are number one picks of that type of cachet at his age. He is more weaknesses than than normally show. Yeah, that's fun. Question marks within his DNA and how he likes to just like process the game in general and then like this team is just there. So it's just a talented ass league. He could be top 15. It's just a talented league right now with some really young quality stars that it's hard to put him above like Adonovan Mitchell, who I have

obviously above this. How could I say that I'd rather have Palo because he's younger when D-Mitch is already a top 12 player in the league, which is what I hope Palo can be. Yeah. Okay. It depends on that you believe in follow this. And with how you're explaining it, it makes sense as to why you would never have Paulo over him. You know what it is? I think Palo can be the ninth or 10th best player in the league. And a lot of people think he can be like the top three players in the world. And as currently constructed, I don't really see that as the ceiling. Yeah. Currently constructed is a fair criticism. Okay, who's next?

What's the next year of you guys? Donovan. Oh, wait, real quick. How do you guys feel about LeBron? What? There my, say your fucking list. This is what the fuck is wrong with you today? All right. 16.

Jason Tatum. We already know what to use. Great dude. He's in a clap-up for you on the bench. Consistently we saw what you have for Team USA. Great player. Team player. 17.

Scotty Barnes. 18. Jalen Brunson. Donovan may think I'm hating. It is what it is. 19, Deeran Fox and 20 Tyreus Halliburton

Don't try to sneak in Jayne and Brunson discourse What was the first thing up I thought? He's not in Scottie Barnes' conversations He's not in Scottie Barnes Conversations Yes he is

He's right next to him Watch your legs shake like that You have me worried for a second No this is actually I'm gonna pass the fuck out It does physically pay me to read this list I don't

Why does it pain you? I mean come on Go ahead explain Yeah you got it you got it I'm I don't even like Jason Tatum but I'm forced to defend them every day on the internet

you like Jason Tatum what do you mean so anyway when it comes to just like thinking about this is where I had like okay like could this dude be a potential first option on my team yeah but I think he would thrive

as a number one option compared to like a few of the other guys that I have above him Jason Tatum OD versatile and it doesn't matter what position you put him in on the court. He can act like a one, be a two, whatever. He's just O.D. versatile. Same thing follows with Scotty Barnes. He's just a few years behind him. Joan Brunson, lamentation to his game

because he's jailed Brunson's six, one over, but one of the best bucket getters in the entire NBA. And I view De Niro Fox in the same light. And Tyre Salliborne, if he develops, like, how he think he can and go back to what we've seen last year in November, specifically, when he was putting up, like, 27 and having that step back three working on all. levels before he got his injury like I think this is a fine place place for my 100% he's going to get to that no that's why he's 20 we just saw Jason Taylor the best player on the defending champion how can we have question marks if he can be the best player on a championship team it's not real question marks about him it's about the guys

above him I know what Jason okay and that's just it's not it's not you it's me like yeah I guess I get I get it he doesn't have the top in talent to be like top five like healthics fans want. I have completely understand that. He's not going to be, despite his reigning championship status, he's not one of the best players in the league. We all agree on that.

Ever since he's coming to league, he's done nothing but win in many different roles. He is unequivocally a player that will lead to winning if you have them on your team. I will see what the rest of the list looks like. I'm not going to discount it yet

because maybe you have good arguments. But him at 16s, and that's almost crazier than him beat picked to me. I guess so. But I don't really, I don't really think so. Again, if I, again, if I have 15 more player or the 15 more players that I have above him I think will have

an easier time of them being my clear cut number one or whatever than Jason Tatum because I think through Tatum's evolution he's lost a little bit of what makes him special in terms as like the shooting that's player I'll give you that's easy to say I'll give you lost that's easy to say after you see his team add to all star caliber players and he just takes less shot Like he's not worse than he was two years ago. He just needs to do less because no when it comes to a shooting He's literally worse than he was sure sure that's yeah Yeah, that's true, but many developments are made up for that many development for that though But I don't think he's good he's I don't think the development of his passing or his rebounding or his defense

Makes up for like what I think should have made him like apart from the NBA Yeah, he's definitely gone to it down a different development path than expected like He's currently super soldier dream on green with how he plays what we thought he would be like Paul George so it's amazing it definitely looks different yeah it's a fantastic player is draymond Greek at average 30 he would be in my top 10 without a doubt so I understand I again I agree in principle I moved him down as well just not this far yeah again Jason satem great player I would love to have him on my team but due to my rules and terminals that I have within my contract for this draft I'm trying to look

I got a job to do just like I guess got bills to pay you're clocking me and I'm trying to I'm trying to build the best team for each and every team that I have to select for and Jason Tatum in this situation you fall at 16 sorry sorry all right man who is donovan 16 through 12 all right at 16 I have de Mitch at 17 I have John Morant and 18 I have jlin brunson at 19 I have jub and at 20 I have tarice maxi listen Isaac I told you I told you just a little bit higher just a little bit higher right on jay-up oh no oh in brunson one spot higher just a just a little bit that's so funny oh yeah okay this is interesting tier michael moran or rant are higher for me explain why they're so low so i think that with jah and jah if i'm looking at this right now honestly i think i would like

ja over over d mitch but i think that like with jah a lot of things do have to be right like in in the in the situation um he he can carry your offense he can put a lot of pressure on the rim obviously that's his superpower we talk all the time about him being you know just a smaller version of zion and honestly whenever he's healthy you have all that i think this this is also just another case for me where the guys above may give me more of a win now trait and there's some developmental projects ahead of jai that I like a little bit more than him. For D. Mitch,

listen, D. Mitch is great. When I look at the people above him, this really just is the split for me, where it is win now and development. Like the people that I have that are, you know, projects or that still have a lot of ways to go, I think that they can get into like top 10, top five type of conversations in terms of value importance all that or over the next two two and a

half years if I had to win a playoff series right now would I rather have Donovan Mitchell or would I rather have ex player and he kind of I just kept going through names and he just kept losing out and I'm like yeah I kind of think I would rather have this player I kind of think I would I rather have that player he's fantastic one of the most understanding underrated players when we talk about like top, top talents, but he just loses out to some other guys where over a three-year period, it may be easier also to put other people on him, on the team. I think that currently Donald and Mitchell has the biggest PR disaster in the NBA.

This man is the biggest victim of outcome bias in the NBA right now. Not I'm just with you, but with like the how the entire league receives them. The difference between him and a guy like Jalen Brunson is all people. right now because they happened to play on a team that made it further and allowed their skill set to shine and have a better surrounding cast that was well coached had a good matchup in the playoffs whatever may be if he was on a different team that fit better and it just had a better shake in the playoffs and he made a run to the conference finals which is obviously good enough to lead a team to you we'd be talking about him in the top 10 11 players just like a lot of these other guys

in the similar tier it's weird how little of a fan base he has around him and little of a PR push he has because he's so talented it's not weird when you realize the city that he's played in Utah and Cleveland. Who the hell ride for those cities? Exactly. You're right. And the Utah fans, he left them. So he doesn't even have those drafted him fans. So it's understandable why his PR's on the toilet. Man, if put him in Jalen Brunson's shoes with all these wings around him,

oh my God, he would produce so well. Like, I'm begging for him to find a good situation before his prime ends because he deserves so much more than he's gotten. I believe in exactly what you said when it comes to Donovan Mitchell and like even a little bit more because of the recent of evolution. that he's made in this game. He's already, he's consistently been one of the best shooters in the NBA. People just don't think about it like that because of the way he shoots it,

traditionally he's like closer to the three-point line compared to the dames, Lillards, and the dames and the staffs of the world or whoever else you want to throw in that conversation. But generally one of the better shooters in the NBA consistently, he knocked down attempts eight or nine per game and he's like around 38, 37%. And also the leap that he's made passing wise back when they had to experiment when Darius Garland was out. Special, special.

Sadly, he just plays with a double big lineup back from, like, 2008, and there's nothing that he can do by it, bro. I'm glad you have him next to John Morant. I think they're very similar, and people typically think of Jha as, like, a tier higher for some reason. I wish they're both higher, but I'm glad you view them in similar light. Yeah, for sure. And I'm glad you view them just about Brunson.

I thought maybe you put on ahead of it. For sure, that's the biggest one right there. I swear I thought you were going to have Brunson higher than Moran. Because you know how you feel about Marant. Guys. Well, I like John I've been saying I've been saying for a long time

The Josh still like a top five point guard In the game like I haven't discounted him at all I think the Grizzlies are going to be top three this in the West this year Like I'm still very high on them Don't copy my stance You know I have all their stock don't try to buy it after me Don't try to fucking jump on the wave Listen for I

No no no no no I listen I felt that way Even before they got Diminidi So you did You felt this way last year he did Yes you think them stupidly high last year Okay so you're the day one but I'm still taking credit. Yes.

I love to hear. Should we roll up to the next? To your roll up to the next tier? Yep, let's go to the next. It's hit this top 15. First up in this tier, I think we have Mo. Mo, who's your 11 through 15? Get the hell out of here.

All right, young boys. Let's come into the building. Trey Young at number 11. Lamello Ball, 12. Jay Duff, I love your talent and potential. Welcome to number 13. Devin Booker. He can play anywhere, put him in any position.

He's going to figure out a way to. be great we see it um and 15 donovan mitchell i let you talk i let you talk i let you talk on the last two i let i let you talk on imb i let you talk on tatum you will not talk for the rest of this of this tier lamella ball at 12 is absolutely ridiculous it's act it's actually my jason tatum was 16 it's actually it's actually wild it's actually what i want you put in the stakes and publicly stoned. You need to be tarred and feathered.

Chartered, yes. Oh my God. Crucified. Y'all, do y'all do you? Just beat up. Just beat up. I didn't call you parents. They need to get the belt. This is awful. This is bad.

Nikiel just texting me and he said I'm a fucking clown. What the hell? You stay to fuck back and you're behind your monitor and shut the fuck up. record. He said such an old-asself and press record. No. But, um, yeah, like clarification.

Hawks fan, Troy Young, you already know my relationship with him. The amount of stock that I have in the metal. He said, my man, my man, my man. Like, of course he's going to be at 11. It's my man. Where else would he be? Like, I mean, I get it. I like Trayor.

I like Lamello too. There's no fucking world where anybody values Lamello Ball more than Jason Tatum, let of them four spots higher. Listen. Or Devin Booker. I refuse. I will not listen. Or Devin Booker.

I won't listen. La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La La conversation. I take conversation I wholeheartedly disagree because I just think straight up, Devin Booker is better. He just is, situation, whatever, cool, but no, no, I'm saying, they're close enough in town. No, I'm saying having Lamello over Booker is wild.

Oh, Lamello over Booker. Younger by four or five years or whatever. And it also cares. And it also has to do with how I view Lamello and also the ankle braces that he's going to be tapping into this year. What do you think? What do you, like, legitimately. So you think that Lamello can be like a,

top eight player in the league? Definitely. Definitely. I think he has that top of ceiling. If everything was to work out with how I envision it working on, which is a damn near. You understand he plays in Charlotte, right? Like, you know nothing goes well for them. I hate telling good people bad news.

It's not going to happen. I kind of changed my mind when you said Charlotte, but even though it has nothing to do with him as a player. Like, it could be literally anyone. You just said, Charlie, that kind of ruined my entire argument. anyways jade up at number 13 how can you not love his versatility and what he does over there in okayc

provides value across every single board every single statistic that you can imagine he is that and also youth and donovan mitchell is there if you wanted to kick him up over devon booker I don't care because I think they're not similar players but they're fantastic stars who do things in different ways but give you the same exact outcome

okay I guess we're going to jump you we are jump me i wish we're going to jump you i really wish you would you and if the q wants to get there to i swear it's over pointing your guns like the opposite two grand uh me and my homies go jump you okay who's next all right who's your 11 through 50 at 11 i have kd at 12 i have lebron at 13 i have joel and bide 14 i have anthie davis 15 i have chet homegrun okay so very fair this is I got Yeah

This is where I think The old has belonged Just when you've got to balance They're not gonna do For very long But you got a few more years I like this Yeah

I'm okay Like still still If oh why is Davis below LeBron This LeBron's LeBron A year I'd rather have a year LeBron than three years of Anthony Davis

Sorry What if I'm If I'm winning If I'm asking you If I'm asking you To win a playoff series Right now LeBron

Might still be one of like the top six players that I want on my team if I'm if if like we're building the team around them the only reason why I put Durant above LeBron obviously he's he's three years younger but he also like fits in a couple more situations than LeBron where not as ball dominant whatever um but yeah that's that's the that's the that's the only reason why and I mean we saw here's the thing I think LeBron will literally retire in two years so that's a hard part You could have AD has three years where he's elite And then he's like drops

He's still got three years of being low all-star level LeBron literally retired in two years I think I get that But what's more impactful and special Thank you Go ahead Six years of AD Or six years of AD easily

If you do things right as a GM You can win back to back championship With LeBron James compared to like Come on he's 40 I know listen I know did what he did to the Denver Nuggets last year Please did you see what he did to Serbia Did you see what he did to Serbia

Did you see what he did you see what he did to Germany there's still there's there were moments throughout the the Olympics that really did shape it for me and the stuff that I that we've seen over the last two years where I was like okay like maybe I was being a little bit too too hard on LeBron because if if you can get LeBron last five minutes of a playoff game and just say hey go ahead and go go do your thing we saw it last we saw it in the in the playoffs last year like there were moments where he still could turn it up and I was like, I don't, I was just watching him be like, all right, yeah, my bad. He still has the ability to control a game in ways that

not a lot of people can where even if he isn't scoring every bucket and, you know, making every assist and getting in every foul and doing like what Luca does or what Yokic does where the next 20 points are coming from you, when when LeBron's on the floor, the game moves a certain way and you still have a very very high chance of winning so he he should be you know 12 you want to have them in the top 10 okay that's fine we can we can still win a chip with if he's on the team okay again i am an 18 just a simple fact that i think you literally have two years and let's review mine because i'll explain the difference okay okay at um so the first so the green tier is a tier from last time, right?

That was still elite second options. No, no, no, no, mind. Tier from last time is a can be my best player if things break right. Okay. And in that tier remaining, at 13, 14, and 15, I have John Morant 13, Donovan Mitchell 14, and Chad Holmgren 15.

So, they can be the best player, but you have to get everything else right. Above that, in 11 and 12, I have Kevin Durant and Steph Curry. That starts a three-player tier that we're calling Tier 3. That's, they'll be top 10 players and have a four to five-year window.

So they're better than the guys below them And the same caliber As the guys above them But they have a very limited window And spoiler alert My number 10 is Anthony Davis This is the three men tier Is 10 11, 12 is Anthony Davis

Kevin Durant, Steph Curry Wow Okay How do you guys feel? The one bias for me is just At least for the guys 11, 12 and 13 I just know that you can run the offense

I know Anthony Davis like can score You know at a high level But if I'm just saying hey I need to go get a bucket these other guys have that ability and so once we start getting into like once we start getting into 13 top you know top 10 I'm talking about building a team yeah you need to go out and get a bucket like I'm going to need that aspect come on you do what do you please please don't I'm turn listen my camera's been off I'm turning out you need to see me for this what do you what are you are you like I understand you do there has to be

There has to be some aspect where, like, if you are going to be... Are you 14? Huh? Are you 14 years old? Are we, we're talking about, like, the 10 best, the 10 most valuable building a team, right? If you do not have, at a certain point in every single championship run, you do need to have somebody that you can say, hey, we're going to go, like, need some buckets. And I would prefer, and I think that it's easier if you have your best player. be the one who says yeah you put everybody on your back let's go for one possession two

possession i don't think that anthie davis has that to the same level as joel and b lebron durant curry all the all the guys ahead of you i agree i 100% agree but the guy but one of them if you look at this tier anthony davis durant curry obviously duran curry are better on ball scores that's not debatable one of these three names is a top three defender in the world and the other two are old and at best average. Or, actually, Durant's a little bit above average. But Anthony Davis is a top three defender in the world and not once did you say the word defense,

which matters a lot. And I understand, offensively, he's not a ball handler. He's a center. Defense is very important and equally important to offense. And sure, you need a Chris Middleton for him. You need a guy that's the ball handler that he wants to pick and roll with. He finishes the plays. He plays defense.

That's what team building is for. We're not playing blacktop. We don't need our best player to be the guy we control in 2K and be the one to score all the points. We're building a realistic basketball team and players have strengths and weaknesses he has more combined strengths because he is

top three defender on the planet I will get other ball handlers to play around him he is a traditional center at this point of his career that is fine there have been many a traditional center who don't have the ball in their hands all the time and still win at the highest level because they shut down the rim

they play within the scheme Tim Duncan when he's winning championships and later half of his career wasn't out here posting up every single play who was playing within the scheme of his team with other guards that did these type of things and played their role

because there's different archetypes needed on a team And at the end of the day, these two teams, the biggest difference in AD Durant and Curry is he's 31 and those two guys are like 35, 36. That's why I don't necessarily think he's better than those guys right now on our current day rankings, Durant Curry are higher, I agree. But 131 and has three or four years of prime left and then he's a big man, so he'll be able to be really good subprime. He can be go bare for three more years, which is pretty valuable, whereas Kevin Durant will be retired in like three or four years. You can have- Gentlemen, this is the world star. I'm Finan Star Rock yelling at WorldSaur right now This is what we've been waiting for

I've been waiting for the AD placement Yeah there you go He's only 31 and I understand that he has health issues as well Which is why he's not higher than that But in the day he plays a level of the top 10 player He's closer to 10 these days I agree he's not the third fourth fifth best player Like he was in 2019 or whatever

But top 10 players do not grow on fucking trees Those are hard to find And if you can have one for the next three or four years That's immensely valuable I think he'll have a stage after that that makes it more valuable than a Duran Curry who are obviously way older. Listen, again, the game is about a bucket. I get it. It is.

And we're talking about winning championships. And it's fun. If you want to build your team, if you want to go and build your team, right? And you say, hey, when we get to crunch time, Chris Middleton, take us home. By all means, do that, right? Do that, do that, do that. because that right that right there and again no hate to you know that one to two year stretch of chris middleton where he was balling on that level but it takes a lot and it takes a lot to have

that kind of archetype of player be your closer be you know the guy who has the ball in his hands at the end of games and let's not even forget that yannis who is a better score than um than than a d is right yon it wasn't supposed to be a comparison one to one like that obviously yonis is much better yeah but like but i guess if we're talking like top 10 that's probably the the closest comparison where you have a guy who isn't perimeter isn't skilled on the perimeter like that but even yonis has moments where he can go and create for himself on a different level than ad yonis can go out and get you 50 you know compared to to ad like there there is a certain point on that and so yeah like i am going to take kevin durant who also ad can fit on a lot of teams

Kevin Durant can walk into any team and give you and give you 30. Steph Curry can walk into any offense and even whenever he's playing with babies and guys who are, you know, rejects from a whole bunch of other teams, you're still going to be pretty decent. And whenever we get into this next tier, like, surprise, I have Steph Curry top 10 because look at, if you look at the Western Conference from last year, we hated on the Warriors all year long. We hate, we hated on them.

We said that they were trashed. We said that all this. there was still like a thing that we did where we're like oh can the lakers make the the western conference finals right can they do this can they avoid all the things the warriors as bad as they were were one game less than the than the lakers and that is because they have step currie if you gave step anthony davis if you gave him another 27 point per game score and a top three defender in the league let's think about where the warriors would be you have a higher ceiling with step on your team right now than you do with kevin durant i mean then you let's think about

You're neglecting the whole point. You're neglecting the whole point of why 80's higher. He's 36 and 80s 31. That's the difference. Curry has a few years of prime left and we'll see how long he plays as being a mostly spot-up shooter

or whatever. We don't know how his post-prime is going to look. It's a big question mark with Curry. Some small guards fall off fast but his shooting makes him a different level. He can be relevant for a long time but we don't know to what level.

That's a big question mark. He's simply five years older. That's a difference. You're not arguing with somebody who thinks Anthony Davis is currently better than Durant and Curry. I have those. guys rank higher this year.

The age gap is big. And I'm saying even in those three years, I'd rather, I'd rather give me the next three years of Steph Curry than the next five of Anthony Davis. And I, and I, a hundred percent believe that. And I think that in those three years, we would have a better chance at winning a chip and building a team that can, you know, compete and do all that than having five years of Anthony Davis. Or the path would be easier having Steph Curry on my team as the building block than

having Anthony Davis has the building. building block. I get it. Again, five years is a big difference. 36 years old is not young. Like I'm not, if they were three years different or two years different, I'll be with you. Curry is 36 years old. Like that's, that's what it comes down to.

Your arguing points about them on the court that I don't disagree with. He is better and has more value. He's just five years older. And he's still, he's still, even at 39, he's still going to, he's still going to give you a window. So that's what about 41? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

on what the man's about a bucket and you're about his age i get it i get it if curry's the best 40-year-old in fucking sports history then he can have it and i'll be happy to be wrong because that'll be amazing to see do see in five years we'll come back i hope you're right i'd love to see 40-year-old stuff no no no no no stay on that side still on that side still on that side in the same tier this is what we do that's why i made the tears stay over there this is what we do. You made your bed late. No, I didn't. They're in the same tier. They're in bed together. It's just age. I get it. I get it. The only reason why I get it is because I was like that, but to the fucking extreme, I'm thinking

about the next 10, 15 years. But y'all talking about three, two, three, four years. I get it. Yeah, I think it's a balance, right? And I think there's a sliding scale of how much you value win now versus the future. And I think a five-year age gap when you're post-30 is significant. I'm not going to have you sit here in disrespect Wardell, Stefan Curry. I just won't. I just won't do it.

He's number 12. I just won't do it. Bro, Del must have your own payroll, too. Mo would be like 24 and you're on me for putting him at 12th. Mo's been on, he's been on some wild stuff all day. I don't even want to.

I really don't even want to acknowledge. We gave him too much attention in the moment. I'm not trying to. Sometime when it's foolishness, you get to. My opinions are very important too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So much smoke because I don't have you too small.

lower than you. He's like, just get out the way, all right? Okay, so that's a sub-tier 10-11-12 is my next four or five-year prime window. How do you guys feel about 13, 14, 15? We both have chat here. Mo, you have chat lower or you have chat higher? Yeah, I have to hire. Again, he's just 20 years old at this point in time or 21 at this point in time.

For every reason that you guys have him at 15 in the range of the best players in NBA right now, literally all stars like morant mitchell davis and imbid i have that too but probably 21 average like 16 17 points a game and is the literal only reason why okay c was the number one seed last year the literal only reason well you know i know i know your point i don't know if i phrase it that way because they had i got shake it's alexander yeah you know what i mean but before that he was a difference between the previous year and this year. He was a missing piece to let him, let Shea carry them over that ledge, so I understand. Yeah, one from like a 10th, ninth seed to the fucking one.

That's an insane turnaround. Of course, Shea goes out in there. Did get better as a player, but Chet's defenses and also offensive spacing, monumental. Yeah. Yeah, people, some people are going to read this. Every time we talk about Chet, there's always haters in the comments that say we gasping too much and whatever. I understand some people, again, you compare him to Palo. I have Palo.

I have Chet Holmgren, two spots higher than Palo. and some people were going to see that. I'd be like, what the fuck? Palo's Mediola-Baron. Because people have an aesthetic bias to big wings that dribble the ball, I understand. But, P, it's hard to quantify just how game-breaking Chet's balance

of rim protection plus shooting and ball handling is going to be when he hits his prime. When he's bigger and stockier and can bang down a little more, use his ball handling just as much, continue to be a 38% shooter from three and the best room protection

in the league besides Wembe, that's going to be a walking top-five team every year. Their man will never be big and stocky. He's never getting there. He could be a big stocky. I mean, no, I mean, big stockier. He'll never be stocky. He'll be like Gobert, where he's like built but still wire your frame, but

Gobert's kind of swole. Gobert is, well. I don't, I don't know if we get to that level. Probably not. Gobert's pretty swole, but you know what I mean? Like, he'll get, Wembe is already functionally stronger than he was in the league. These skinny guys, like, they don't all go the KD route where they decide to stay skinny.

They can put on weight. They're capable. Yannis is the best example for that. True. Well, he's also an outlier example because he's fucking jack now. He went from being a fucking twig Built like Jordan Poole to look like David Robinson Man, Jordan Poole straight

No one ever thought that he was a twig But I digress, we can move into the top 10 now If you already All right, top 10 time man This is where it gets nasty Who's up first? That was me Okay, so you guys see the tier changes What? Oh, I forgot

Wow Joel and B is also in the Anthony Davis tier Where I said they have 45 years window I forgot he's right above him Your same type of thing You're actually disrespectful I'm with you Moe that I think I don't know to who but we'll keep going

Um Mo I'm with you I have him beat in the four to five year window tier At number nine with Anthony Davis Just because I don't know how much longer That body can hold up But the tier after that is tier two This can clearly be the best player

On a championship team And if that's here I have number six Janus Number seven Tatum Number eight Booker The nine Juelan bead And 10 Anthony Davis In the four to five year window tier Yonis is my hardest placement here

The only reason he's not number four So this tier starts at four It's four through eight It's just age and lack of jumper I'm not sure he'll age quite as well As some guards that are above him But obviously I think he's still

The second best player in the league right now Like easily I think he's as clear as Yokic is number one Yonis is that clear as number two If you put him for the highest of this tier No issue at all Yeah Obviously She is above him No spoilers there

She just has so much more of a window ahead of him That I think She has reached a level of being just a tier below while I have a decade of that and Janus is 30 I don't know No it's tough He's over 30

And on top of that too We haven't seen him play A full healthy playoff run In years Legit years And for a player of his archetype Who's mad explosive And likes to just

Put it all in your face And with this just Natural play style All right You're doing to that's right there But it's explosive You're doing way too much Right there

You don't know how much of his elite top to your prime is because a lot of it is based off his athleticism and his speed and this quickness along with all of it 100% of it is and i think when that goes away he'll transform he'll have another era of his career where he turns into maybe what anthony davis is now maybe umari stadomar on steroids whatever may be but that's that might come sooner than it is for some guys above him who are just like very young and talented and they don't have the ceiling of yonis yonis is the best player here besides yoke's in terms of peak it's simply an age thing when you're really

parsing hairs between the best players in the league most valuable players in the league i'm just worried of what it looks like in three years yeah i agree i like this place because i have similar logic of course it's a little bit more extreme because they eat or whatever but that's fair i like yeah the hardest there's one there's one aura man that's on here above him that's not shea that was my hardest pick that's my hardest pick i'm like there's no way and fuck man the honest is so so much better, but it's, you look at the age just side by side and stuff. It's too much of a difference to ignore

like, again. I'm thinking of this as one's like, yeah, it's the age to ignore plus the play style that Curry and Durant can stay top 12 despite being old to shit because they scale really well. Katie might have two more years of being a top 10 player. He can play for as long as he wants as a top 20 player

with his style of play. I'm very confident that's maybe something with Curry. Not so sure about that with Janus. Yeah, like we've seen players like Janus, who thrive very much off of their athleticism. That's, like, what sets them apart from everybody. Someone who comes in mind, obviously not, never was as good as Janus, but Blake Rickenbroke. He was that guy, developed his skill and evolved his game as years went on. But, like, he just was never the same type of player, never was the same caliber pair because

that's what made him special. That was his superpower. And Janus, like, although, like, he's a great pastor for his size, although he's a great finish the four size. How he does those things is different from how LeBron James does those things. Yeah.

When it goes, it goes fast. And not everybody ages as gracefully as LeBron, Katie, and Curry has. We've been blessed by seeing our top three players of our generation have crazy, long-gitty prime.

Look at James Hardin. It doesn't always work out that way. And Janus, as much as I love him, is just like Joelle and Bede. They're primed to be the guys that don't age as gracefully just because of the way they're built and the way they play.

And he could be an outlier too. Maybe he's like LeBron where freak athlete It's just a freak athlete forever. That's also possible. But it's just nowhere near a guarantee. And we're getting too close to that time for me to put him above a younger guy. All right.

Donovan, I know you're silently disagree. Tell me how you feel. He hasn't said word. No. It's festering. It's plotting. I mean, listen, a couple of things are funny about this. One, I do enjoy how a lack of a bag did come into play on this in terms of the lack of jumper

for Yannis, I think that... No one said that. No, it didn't. It was crazy fucking gymnastics. No, it did not. Did Isaac not say lack of a jumper for Yannis as part of a reason why he had a... In terms of what may help... Not in terms of... No, it's not about a bag.

He's plenty bag. It's about how he ages. He doesn't have the fallback skill of a Durant and Curry. Don't try to twist that shit. That's ridiculous. All I'm saying is... If he did have a bag and he did have a jumper, then we would be praising it and saying, oh, yeah, he's going to... It's not a bag he needs.

It's just a spot-up jump shot. Well, obviously he needs it to be top five in your eyes. So that's one that I just, listen, I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying it's funny. He doesn't need it to be top five. He needs it to be above Shagos and Alexander when he won's 31 and one's 26. That's what he needs it for. It's nothing about, he could be top five if Shaguel's Alexander didn't exist.

If Yonis is 23 years old, Ben, like, or 26, and he's not top five. So clearly he does need it to be top five. I'm just saying it's funny. I think it's more so the age than it is amazing it's completely the age Janice is I just listen I think once we got to the top like for me if you can help me win this season everybody has spent the last like 23 months just crying and just being like oh my God Janice is the most underrated player in the league we've taken him for granted he's so good he's doing this he's doing that

he's honestly playing the you know the best ball that he's ever had and he's 30 31 still at the peak of his of his powers can do everything we talk about how his playmaking is underrated he walks into 30 points a night he's still one of the best help defenders in the league all of this stuff people people are saying hey after after yokech we probably shouldn't sleep yonis is probably the second best player in the league and if you can have that for the next three years and instantly be a title contender. I don't think that the bucks are going to be good at all. But you know what they are going to do? They're going to go out and they're going to win 50-something games because Janus is right there. They're going to put themselves in a position to where

they're going to be at the top of the conference. And the rest, whatever happens, that's because they have a coach that nobody trusts and they have an even more aging number two, right? And their number three is also old. But it has nothing to do with Janus. And if we're redrafing and I'm building a team, yeah, give me the next four years of Janus. And then if we build this properly, yeah, we could probably do this the right way. And so I, I think that the Janus is, he 100% is top five. The two-way stuff is undeniable. And getting, getting four or five years of a player that is currently in his prime that everybody is like, yeah, also he's kind of pushing top 15, top 16 talks all time. He's right there with, with Yokic.

Why is he not, why is he not top five for the next three, three, four years? Like, do you not see his absence in the postseason these last two years? Does that not worry you at all combined with, like, just in general, how he is? Like, I worry about. But I'm saying, we have to do it. The question you just asked, real quick, the question you just asked, he said, why is he not a top five player for the next three or four years? He is, but this is not a list for the next three to four years.

It includes both. And for that, he moves down literally one spot than what you want because we're talking about year five, six and seven. No one disagrees with you. It's just a little bit more towards the left future when you're parsing hairs between two first team all NBA guys. The floor with the floor with Janus is higher than in my opinion, the floor with Shea or the floor with aunt. And so that's for sure. For three years.

For sure. I think even past that, I think, I think, like, you can talk about the next five or six. And I think that the floor might be, might be there. Like, I think, I do think that Janus is going to age pretty. well and I'm on the I'm on the I'm on the well that's a difference in and that's fair yeah like I'm on the I'm on the mindset that's fair of what you said where it's like freak athlete just stays freak athlete and even if he even if he isn't 33 points per game all this all this other stuff if he drops down to Anthony Davis territory where now he's averaging 26 25 and he's

still giving you really good help defense that like you said with Andy Davis still you know top 10 player in the league like that in itself is still valuable And having that, and having that as like your number two or your number two B, whatever, that's still insanely valuable. Like you're still going to be able to put yourself in a position to win a championship with Yannis in six years than a lot of other stuff. And again, if you think he's the age better, that's the best argument. That's the point that like that can be the differentiator. We just view him differently.

That's completely fair. I think everything else is just like we're just gauging a couple years further than you are. But if you believe he'll have a longer prime than we think, that makes total sense. And again, four through eight are all the same tier. They're all this clearly can be the best player in a championship team. So I don't think there's a big difference between him and Shay and Ante. Like, I mean, I do think actually they're very different, but in terms of value. Okay.

I guess you can roll in and see mine and Donovan's six to ten. Oh, Donovan's next. Yeah. So at six, at six, I have Ant Man, seven, I have Jason Tatum, eight I have Curry, nine, I have Booker, ten I have Palo. Did I write that wrong? Yeah, I did. Oh, no, it's been care. okay sorry it's covered up yeah no it's okay yeah i've palo okay okay i'm very very very high on

on palo i think that he can and that's fair i understand why i don't have an issue at all with you putting yonis above edwards is yonis five no oh you probably have him hard in the show okay i i'm almost convinced i probably should have put yonis above aunt that was just simply an age thing but yonis is so much better that that's cool with me but i'm glad we have tamed him in the same spot currie explain curry why curry's top 10 still i think you can put step on any competent basketball team and you're still going to be minimum in the playoffs i'm obviously going to do the mental gymnastics because step is my guy but if you gave him yes right we're going to be hypothetical man here if you gave step somebody else like another top 20 player in the league

you 100% have an opportunity his team has been derailed by locker room fights by andrew wiggins not being a 17 and 8 guy like the margins were very very thin in 22 and they have just completely gone off the rails i would love nothing more than to see step play with another all-star for the last you know three years of his of his career because if he can get with somebody like an anthie davis you know like a lebron whatever we can we can legitimately talk about a chip for step Like I think that Steph 100% can still go to any team and raise their offensive floor to a crazy, crazy level, even with not a lot of great shooting around him. Yeah. So you think, so you value those last two, three years of Steph being what he is now or maybe a little bit worse of a version than what he will be than what he will be in like two years from now than what Palo can, Palo Bankero can provide you for the next 14 years probably.

Yes. Fair, fair sets me I can't hang on it because I think I think I think if you're a GM And especially like if we're doing a redraft And you're like hey let's let's go for right now I'm taking Curry yeah right now That's fair

So that's why I haven't a 12 too I have them higher than Mo does And that's why I haven't beat at 9 I'm with you that that logic checks out That if you think somebody could win for the next three years That's very valuable I just think you know you got we weighed a little bit differently Compared to guys who are young young stars

But I'm with you that definitely matters so I don't have a problem with you designed to value that more. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I guess you can roll into my 6 through 10 right now. So here is where the old head. This is the worst list you've ever fucking made. Oh, this is, wow.

But I understand. I get it. Logic continues to check out. I don't have any inconsistencies. Six. True. Top of the tier. Nothing needs to be said.

29, 30 years old. Still is that guy will be that guy for the next five years. Will he be playing basketball in 10 years or even for the next? five years, don't know because he has his passions outside of the sport. Anyway, six, Yolkich, seven, Paula Ben-Caro, eight, Hongren, nine, Janus, and 10, I got his on analyze.

First question, what you got? I mean, Yokish not top five is insanity. I'm thinking about the next 15 years, brother. Okay. I mean, again, like you said, we have different spectrums and how much you value that, and you went all the way towards counting 15 years. so like you said you are consistent so i guess that that's fair you are literally 15 sample size but he's but he's not because why is yokech if you think that yokech might not be

playing basketball in five years what's the difference between him and yonis who you think might not be as great in five years because yonis has injury history and because of and yoke i don't think i don't think he i don't think even at yonis's old 35 36 year old age i don't know how much of an elite player he can be compared to how i know yokech will be like yokech was worse athletically three years ago he just recently got into the best shape of his life when it was 23 24 years old but he might not be here putty putty even if he's not here them two years like i know i'll have two years of what i would say is like a potential top 10 player of all time but yonis i cannot say that and he legit are we unironically are we unironically

doing the yokish doesn't care about basketball thing are we unironically talking about not not not doesn't not doesn't care about basketball i know i know i know that i know that dramatic with that point like come on if that no listen we don't we don't have to do that like legitimately but if you but if that does factor in just a little bit then i do think that him and yannis should be at eight and nine they should be interchangeable in that sense because both of them are going to give you some some three year prime and then yokech is going to go off and you know ride his horses and yonis isn't going to be the same and i i i don't think that the Yokish is straight better, like on all levels.

But that's just, like, how I feel about Yolch. I agree. I have Yokish a lot harder than Yonis, too, for, again, maybe who retired in three years? Who is to say, I don't know. I don't know his psyche. I know it's a common talking point that I think is typically lazy. But maybe you guys are right. That could happen.

Who knows? If we're just talking on the court, there, he's a little bit younger than Yonis. That matters. So that alone could put him, you know, three spots above Janus. It's a better player right now. Even if they both play the same amount of years, it's, pretty easy to imagine yoke's aging better bar injury right just for the simple fact that he shoots and passes those are skills that never leave you it's not crazy yeah i agree um we've seen

are you're laughing that's like you're watching and laugh they're the same age yo nekiel is nikiel's gonna be on he has an insane suspension like arising right now but it's okay they're the same age by the way they're both 29 okay my bad whatever yeah regardless it's pretty easy to imagine one aging better because of the certain skillsets you have as that tend to make a player age better and there's lack of reliance on athleticism. Yeah, and then also like, when was the last time you heard of Nicole Yolkish

having like a major injury? Or when was that something you've seen him like derailed and not be able to play in the postseason never happened. Not yet. Knock on wood, of course. And he's the best player in the world. Like, I don't know Yonis is not far behind, but Yokic is the most talented offensive

big we've ever seen. We all agreed on that or like at least in the top two or three. Yeah, I'm sure you have Yokicch above Janus as well, right, Donovan? I do, but I don't think that, but I don't, I don't think that it's like a crazy gap in terms of their overall, like, value. I think like the difference between a Yokech-led team, the ceiling and the floor between a Yolkech-led team for the next five years and a Yonis-led team for the next five years is extremely swath to me. I don't, I don't think that, I think that, I think the difference is, the difference is going to be because of team building, not because of, With they're able to provide to the team.

Even with that, I disagree. Yeah, the thing is you said it's not a big difference. He doesn't have a big difference. Three spots, yeah. Even then. I'm saying it's smaller than three spots. I think Yokits could do more with less and also do more with more than Yonis can. I just think he's better.

Like, it's just easy to play. Yeah. Now, talking about defense. Whatever, cool, understandable, defensive player of the year, whatever. I get that. I get that wholeheartedly. Yeah, at the end of the day, I just think one's going to age a lot better and one's better now. So, like, anyways, generational defenders outside the top five.

It's crazy. Okay. How do you all feel? No, I'm just saying like we. How do you all feel about me having Chet Hungram above Zion? Is that proposal? I mean, I agree with it. Sure.

I have my heart too. I think they're both significantly lower, but I haven't hard. Yeah. Same logic applies. That's fair. Yeah, yeah. It's simply the injury thing, right? one's extremely reliable and one is

a swing, it's a swing for the fences. So it makes sense to pick the guy that's going to be more of a sure thing. Okay. Okay. Now, do what I put either of them below, would I put Yonis below chat? Fuck no. But change the wrong. Time. Yeah, time. Like literally eight. That's a whole decade

of just time that I just have to experiment, file, fail, and do all that with Chet. All right. Are you ready for the top five? Let's get into it. I'm ready to lock in. Let's see y'all. You better have Yonis that motherfucking two. I think Donovan's first up.

Yeah. Oh shit, it's me. Okay, cool. Oh shit, it's me. Number one, shocking, Wembe, two, Luca, three, Ann Edwards, four, Shea, and five,

John Morant. This is who I would choose the files. The amount of shame that I have in my heart for the fact I'm looking to somebody who put John Morant above Yokic, I want to scream at the top of my lungs.

Yeah, but then you realize that's like a six year difference in time. Nope, I don't realize a goddamn thing. You don't care, don't care, did not realize anything. you're just an old man but I get it I'm thinking about the future you're thinking about the future you're thinking about I'm thinking about the future you're thinking about the now I'm worried about both matter man yeah yeah for sure they both matter absolutely I agree but at the same time I'm thinking

long term I'm thinking about the potential fuck up that I'll have I want unlimited tries I want to give the fans the next 15 years something to look forward to you can try unlimited times you can try for the next 100 years of running a sim of John Moran every single year you may never reach a point in one of those years where he's as good as this year's yokech you may never reach the ceiling in a hundred tries that you get in the three-year peak of yokech when you have a player that is that good you can say something for yonish yonish people of jah obviously like when you have a player that good sample size you can have 15 years and you'll still never reach that height it doesn't matter you say that but i'm also thinking about the height of just

like how yes you're right i agree with you but also it's like a team building thing now if draw that out the window and you're just focused on like yeah straight up best player okay cool but i'm thinking about it like from a totality sense okay i'm not mad at wimby and yoke's one and two that makes sense if you're value in which you are that's cool yeah undisputed yeah i mean no it's not undisputed it's not undisputed it's not undisputed by any means but for your your metrics and your valuing a view to the highest extent yeah it makes sense yeah exactly you have to have on my lens in order to have a conversation with me and look yeah exactly if you're looking at this listening the moat tinted glass

Oh, Oras out the window Motented glasses Did you kidding me? What are you thinking? You're real quiet You festering? I'm just not going to say anything He has Jammar at top five

Over your kitchen, Janice. Like, I'm fine. This is our most contentious list of all time. This is worse than the top 50 of all time players we did. This is straight heat on one another. I love it. Everybody hates the other two guys list

everybody yeah i just don't agree honestly so it's fine so the job right talking for the only one considering my argument in my stance where you just like wholeheartedly are you fine with everything else yeah i mean i'm cool i just think like again i understand everything else i don't agree with everything else but i understand the logic like shay and aunt are close i understand if you think edwards having more time to developing a few years younger gives him a higher ceiling that's cool if you think wemby's going to be basketball god, picking him above Luca, I get it. Josh is the one that I just can't even comprehend.

Why? I already. He'll never be in the stratosphere of Yokish and Yonis, even them alone. Would you be just focused on those two players above him? Let alone. With Yolkes and Yonis, that is just about a time thing. Think about the stratosphere of Ant and Shade. That's like the goal of this tier right now.

Jai isn't better than Tatum. You have Tatum like 12 spots lower? Yeah, that was ridiculous. We can have those conversations in November. day. I think we have the junkie. No, I think we can have those conversations with bricks. Personally, Jaws PR is down the toe in and also we haven't seen it. It's really not. Monkey wrenches. I honestly, honestly, for racist, but honestly, for, I honestly feel like for Jha, cars. People have beat up on him so much that the PR's coming back

around it. It's like, leave him alone, right? And he's actually, he's actually on the way back up. If I'm crazy to say I'd rather start my team with John Morant than Jason Tatum, okay, say that. all right i mean that's more understandable i mean honestly the craziest part is him over yokech and yonis but i think i would also put i don't know we can move on if taiton was like that it's fine yeah exactly who's next if taiton was like that he's a defending fucking champ i have i have luca at one yokitch at two yonis at three wendy at four shea at five that's fair yeah i think some of the names i have different order that's cool i love y'all y'all know how i feel about wimby for the next five years i have people who are like i said top 15 all

time right pushing those conversations i have them for a for a five year span and i think all of them for the next five years are going to give me an opportunity to where wemby as great as he is he's probably going to win d p o why next year and go on this run of like seven seven straight Offensively, Janus is still crazy, right, offensively. Yolkich, we already talked about him. Luca, Luca can, has one of, you know, the highest floors with anybody. There's still just a level of, I need you to prove it for Wembe, that the other three are right here in their prime. Let's win right now.

And then we're good. If we can get one, we can get one more ring out of Yokic or Yonis, it's all worth it. I agree. I'm with you. I didn't do it to, I didn't put Janus in this tier because like I said, I'm more concerned about his long-term health. I mean, in long-term standing, like how he ages. But I'm with you in principle. Wemby is all projection, but some guys are already there.

And it's the same type of thing with Palo of why I think, I think he can do it. I think he can be this top 10 guy that we all think you can be. But I got to see it because there's still steps he has to make. Same principle. When you're comparing Wembe to the best players of all time, damn near, not, you know, we know what you mean, but we know exactly what you mean. Top 20 players of all time. They're all at that peak.

Even Lucas in the top 20 peak, I think. You got to see it first. You can't assume everything. There's only a certain level projection you can do. Yeah. And listen, by the end of next year, right, Wemby may very well be number two and he can go and have one of the greatest, you know, sophomore seasons of all time and average, you know, 32 and 13 win DPOI, all this stuff. I just, I just have to see it first because Yonis is going to come out next year. And Janus, guess what he's going to do? 32, 13, be a DPOI candidate, lead his team to 50 wins. And that's all you're asking for Wembe. So, yeah, I just have to give the nod to the other three. Yeah, when there's MVP's above you, you got to earn it. Yeah. The most aids will be on pre-order soon.

They will not limit your vision. You will be able to see the future, thrive in the future, while also being the present, too, and acknowledging, you know, your current circumstances. I'm going to email. I'm going to go ahead and ship them to you guys, Isaac and Donovan really soon. So please. Please, please. Okay.

We can move on to my top five. At one, I have Yokic, two, Luca, three, Wembe, four, Shea, five Edwards. Luke Shea and Edwards are in the same tier as the previous guys with Janus Tatum, Booker, and Embed, the tier of clearly can be the best player on my championship team. Top three guys are in the alien tier. Just absolutely ridiculous, clearly the most valuable players in the league to me. Mix of talent and have years left ahead of them to make that talent work more so than I think

Janus does. Just the best players in the league three years from now, obviously can be them. And then Lupin and Wembe obviously have a really long runway ahead of them at two and three. And Yokic at one, like I obviously struggled with the top three, right? all in the same tier. So that means I think they're interchangeable to a certain extent. I know for a fact, if I have Yokic for the next five years where he's in his prime, I'm probably going to win a championship. I'm probably going to be in that seat to watch my best player win the MVP award multiple times and be unequivably the best player in the world. At a certain, when you

have three guys that all have best player in the world potential, all have top 20 all time potential, one guy already is that. And I know for a fact, I'm winning a championship, I've seen it. I everything I project with these two guys is to where he already is that has to be a tiebreaker for me when it's an extremely close debate like these three exactly

exactly I have no qualms with your list and I like the fact that you put Shea over it because that's also it was minor I wasn't trying to hop in it

on Mo's list but yeah I would have I would have Shane over over it why that's close though I'm not mad at that that's a very good debate I think I go back and forth honestly yeah Donovan

I would you have Shay over in I think Shay's more efficient than Aunt and I think that Shea has proven himself also I think a little bit more in the playoffs like there were games where Ant he did go crazy but there were also

games where offensively it just wasn't working he was able to make up for it with everything else that he does and you know there's a two-way ceiling and whenever he really locks in but I think whenever Ant is at his best it's also kind of like you know the Palo stuff and what Isaac was saying where he was like

hey, Paolo was knocking down these mid-ranges. We saw at his best when he was hitting, you know, crazy turnaround, turn-around mid-range shots. He was hitting shots off the glass. Like, if that's what you're going to do and you're just going to be KD from mid-range, hey, by all means, go ahead. Shea is like that from the mid-range. That's all he takes. All the time.

All the time. So, like, those shots that define Ant's game and those shots that define Shea's game, she's already better at that than Anthony Edwards. And I think that for shade, the next level is like, hey, are you going to extend your game out to a three-point line? Even if he doesn't, he is the most old-school kind of guy where if you sit down and think about it and think about in today's game and in the modern NBA and how he's averaging over 30 points a game and barely take in any threes, it's crazy to think and project if he adds an extra two threes per game where his scoring could be for the next. four or five years and the fact that he is a good defender yeah i'm a take she also he's a better playmaker yeah uh that's not really he's not strong enough of a playmaker to i guess compared to anthony a word's yeah yeah that's the that's the that's the anthony that's the thing but that's not

something that would like i would say in the argument because they're just both man at their position you know and it's improving too that got better last year he yeah there's a good playmaking there's still there's still moments there's still moments with antho down the stretch where you're like oh like what are you thinking like you there still is there's still is there still is like the lows of his playmaking, I do think are lower than the lows of Shea's playmaking. Sure. But I think that's where the three and a half year difference comes in.

Shea hit this level last year when he turned 25 or 24, if you're going to give that. Edwards is still like just before that level. Okay. And I think it's easy to project. He'll also make a similar leap. So I guess I have often defaulted to who's better now in conversations of like prove it. But I think Edwards is a very specific player that has enough proven skills

and enough progress in his weaknesses that I think, it's easy to project that. Like Palo, I talk about his weaknesses still being there. I haven't seen the sign of I'm getting better yet. When I do see that and I can really feel confident in that, I'll move them up. I saw enough last year of Edwards's weaknesses being addressed that I'm starting to believe, though, you know, definitely jump up. Yeah. I can, uh, but it's closer. That's, that's going to be a good debate for like five more years. Shaver's, and that's going to be a good debate. And I'm taking ant every single time. Even when it's clear, I'm still making it clear in my in my eyes. I was going to say you're defaulting to aura, but they're the two most or

in the leagues, that stuff. Yeah, exactly. And he's picking the guy with less war. Oh, debatable. Shays. I've seen those commercials. Those commercials are dope.

Donovan. Shays one. Give me your documentation. This man just helped carry some of your goats and stuff, Katie and Braun. No, he did not. He was on the bench.

He was on the bench. He was terrible. He was still impactful. What do you mean? He was terrible? He was actually pretty terrible. He was a detrimmed a lot of times. He was a thawog.

If Katie was on the court, he was chucking and played really bad. really bad too much not too much relax Isaac your documentation needs to be he was a black hole that's why he never started everyone was like why aren't you starting aunt he's the best steve car receives whatever else sees that guy was a ball hog but he was trying to prove himself around those stars he's hating i mean when you have devon booker who's one of the best spot-up shoes in the entire NBA who can clearly accept that role and also his shooting just changes dynamics completely shout out of dbook too the book was great yeah exactly

When Ant was every time It was on the court It was Ant time You gotta need that No you don't On that team I don't think you do That's the one team in the world

You don't need that In the NBA you need that On Team USA Not entirely necessary Eh I kind of liked it Team USA 2020 when it was him Derek White and Jalen Brown

Then you needed that Not this year You're gonna see a lot of that in 28 I'm with it In 28 it'll be a lot more understandable Because the Bronc Curry and KD won't be there Who knows? They might be.

They might be. Hey, maybe, they mean, according to you, Stats's going to be there. You know it. And so we're honest, apparently. You know it. Yonnes? Well, listen.

Yeah, you guys, Donovan. Yonnas is going to be their tushay Olympics. He's going to be crazy for Greece. Well, listen, I don't, I don't know what the Nassus is going to be in four years, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what coast is going to be in four years. I know what Yonis will be.

He'll be good. I'm going to do. Nah, I don't know. If y'all could change one position, what would it be? I think for me it would be I'd probably move Janus above Ant that's probably my one

debatable one but what do you guys think? I might move Wembe up one okay just because like I do think that Wembe is going to be you know

goat status type of type of player and with that you're assuming you'd move Yonis down yes I would switch them okay okay what's your worst

I think I'll I'll bring Tatum up a little bit higher okay I'm glad that's the one That's the least in the channel. I'm glad that's the way you. I'll talk to the head, I'll bring Ohio because he's what, 26, 27 years? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, question, question, with it.

What? Having Tatum 16 is more indefensible than having MBed at like 24? Yes. At least I can look at me. He had Zion top 10. Always. Listen, I didn't say the list was perfect. He's 24.

I just said Jason Tatum is the worst one. Zion could be the second worst placement. I think Embed at 24 is ridiculous But I can understand the logic If you want to be like He's never saying healthy So I'm never betting on him

Go for it That's why I have the Mello at 30 Tatum is just safe as fuck Reliable as fuck Young as fuck It just makes no sense That's why I said Tatum will be the one moves

Zahn and I'm not listening to that Whatever Joel and B I'm really not listening to that Because again The age of bad If you talk to me Have a conversation And turn to what I'm saying

And see me put where I put him Back in the 20s or whatever Like, all right, but you weren't listening. It said, me, me, and my avenue. Exactly. Come to my side of the street. Exactly. All right, man, that was great.

That was our most argument filled rankings of all time. If everybody enjoyed it, people always get in their fucking feelings in the comments that we argue too much. It's hilarious. People get so, like, offended for their favorite of the three of us. Go ahead.

Get offended. Bullymo. Hope you guys enjoyed it. Please bully. Even if I'm wrong, I'm so right in for my guys. Everybody doesn't get bullied. Of course you know. And please not have some defenders.

It was great. This is a very divisive episode And with that note, it is time For Producer Corner McHill What do you have for us today? What's up, y'all? And it better be good, too.

Damn, I was talking. That was crazy. You had those trials. Welcome to Producer Corner. Isaac, I want to thank you. This week, we're gonna be showing Isaac's kids' pictures. I keep fucking that.

My kids? Delivery up. He's a father? He got kids? No, we don't talk about that. No, no, we don't do that on here. Relax, relax. But anyway, he sent me a whole bunch of pictures,

so it wasn't just like one or two. So I was able to make a whole slideshow. And he sent me like 12 pictures. How many did you use? I used all, like, 11 or 12, and I took the liberty of dividing them into subjects. So there's three subjects. Okay. All right.

I sent them all the ones I had in my camera roll. I went through my entire camera roll. It was like me, me, me. It's on the pick whatever you want. And I left them as is because the way you sent them, like, I saw like a random Android. screenshot or like you were holding a picture i left that as is because it was just hilarious the android screenshots are when my mom sent me because she has an android or she used to and i saved

her screenshot he said listen my mom's broke not me cannot be anyways i had a beggar to get an iPhone man old people love their androids not lying the uh the first topic is Isaac being a cutie patootie so listen this one can be relatively wholesome there's two slides here but look baby Isaac baby i was like like it looks like a mexican young sheldon young sheldon young sheldon is crazy how is your hairline how is it this far back this early

it's not the hairline it's just the forehead that's a big head yeah exactly i still got a big forehead the blessing of having hair that's literally it yeah i got a big forehead that dodgers pictures is hilarious because that because that That was, yeah, it's iconic. That was your Twitter avatar for a while. Yeah, that's why it's a circle.

I say it from there. Yeah, just the most L.A. looking cholo little kid ever. Did your mom have a nickname for you when you're a little? A monkey. What? She called you a monkey. Yes, she called me a monkey. Oh, no, no, no.

Monkey's my sister. Oh, no, monkey's my sister. Multiple monkeys in the family? I'm not monkey. My sister's monkey. I don't know what my nickname was. Okay. Damn,

you saw my so seriously, I feel bad for laughing. It's a cute nickname. And then there's a couple more pictures in this slide. Listen, just mad wholesome. You know, like this,

one on the right is hilarious. I don't even think they do picture days like this anymore, man. They don't. Yeah. Loser recipes. They don't. Okay.

Dude, that picture on the left, that fucking grid. I did not want to be there. That's that white people smile. When they pass. You ask you. How are you?

What's up, Jim? Exactly. The right phone is not charged in either of these pictures. 30% got the yellow battery on the other one. That is hell. I like that. That is hell. Wait, so how early did you need the glasses?

Who's in the middle with you? My sister. Okay. Question. So how old were you in the middle and also in the right? the right must have been like four or five probably five the middle seven maybe seven or maybe eight seven or eight okay who's that old uh who's that old uh dude who used to fight alligators and he passed away he was in his prime when he was like seven years old yeah Steve Irren assit right

there shot to him I fucking love that I love Steve Irwin as a kid we can tell what your fit we can tell We're the number one fan. Trust me, we know. Yeah, wait, did you pick this fit? Of course not. That was my results. Nah, man. When did you start getting an autonomy

over your wardrobe? When you start picking out of your nonprofits? Yeah. I don't know, maybe third grade. Third grade? Okay, it's not bad. It's not bad. Maybe second grade.

I don't know. Second third girl, I was wearing a bunch of bullshit. I think like, fourth grade or so, my mom was like, you got to start caring about your clothes. You were wearing basketball shorts with a polo shirt to school. What are you doing?

Yeah, we were not. We were never allowed to wear basketball shorts because we get pants. So we had to wear you went to school with predators, not me. Hooligans. Oh my gosh. Yeah, we had to wear a uniform. I had to have the badge showing. I had the belt on.

Could not wear slides. I said that like I'm not from Killeen, Texas. Yeah, didn't go to the best schools. Okay. I'm sure I went to the worst schools here. We're in the belt with basketball shorts. No, no, you couldn't wear, you couldn't wear anything with, like, spandex

because you can get pants. That's great. Yeah, I didn't have draw strings. You couldn't, like, tie shorts? No, no, like, you could. Draw strings. You couldn't wear, like, in the shorts, in the shorts built in, yeah.

I thought she meant, like, apply your own to the outside. No, because on the days I wanted to be hard, I'd wear, like, my athletic sweats, like, for my football or whatever. Like, did you want to, like, did you what? The day I wanted to. The day I wanted to.

The day I wanted to look hard. I put my athletic sweats on and I had the hood on. I would not suggest basketball shorts for those days. No, but we had sweatpants. You forgot the whole hoodie sweatpants. I would not suggest sweatpants for those days. What makes sense? I had slides on.

Not as aura. Anyways, moving on to the next section. Listen, this is Mexican. Nice. No, this is a slide. I thought you just put this. No, it's a transition. Cumbia Kings are my Mexican era.

Okay. Listen, this man is a walking... How is this in Mexican era? This is me in middle school. This is a walking kick avie right here. Any Mexican that I knew back in middle school? This was a kick aviary here. This is crazy stereotypes right here.

The left is seventh grade. The left is seventh grade. The right is eighth grade. The yam on your face of seventh grade was peeking. Then your face is the rest of your faces grew. The yam on your face is crazy. Dude, the nose grew first and the rest of your body was like, all right, get it too. I look on the fetus on the left.

The right looks so much more fully formed. Honestly, I think it's just the angle. You look at the angle. You look at the angle. Yeah, it's the angle. But I mean, I do look younger. There's 17th grade difference is different. From seventh grade and eighth grade, it looks similar.

Yes. So this is a different. That's a form of view. He just took a step back. And the picture of Alex Jones where he just doesn't pack is all red. Yeah, exactly. All right. And now the final, you know, topic or whatever, listen, the Killeen killer.

Oh my God. All right. Listen, most athletic student, Isaac Gutierrez. Look at this. This is actually sixth grade. I went to, this is the one year. I moved around a lot as a kid. This is actually before I lived in Killeen.

This is sixth grade I lived in San Diego. Went to a very white school for that. year. The one year I went to a wealth is the only year of my life I went to a well funded school. And you and he won most athletic? It wasn't an athletic place. You see the college shirt. You see the fit. He has it on.

Facts. The one year I lived around Caucasians in my life was this year and I was the speedy little Mexican kid. Where were you like thriving athletically? Like track or something? We had like a little junior Olympics thing and I was the fastest kid in the class. This is like a field type thing? This is like a 60 kid class.

He was like a field day time thing Oh, okay Yeah, he was pulling I was just fast He didn't even say He was just He was just He was in the class

Easily Were you pulling I had that In sixth grade I was pulling Pikachu was out of the tall grass You see the shirt You see the shirt

You see the fit That couple with most athletic See the thing is I was at a banquet here So I had to take off The Iloobo's bracelets But I had all those on You had that bracelet

The Lips strong He had silly bands I was in sixth grade in 2011 in a white neighborhood I had all the bands on my wrist He was pulling He was pulling not for sure They thought he was trying to be humble right now Flooded for show

Okay we see All right I was I mean I lived here for one year in the sixth grade I didn't fucking know anybody It was one year I lived here By a bunch of white people I wasn't used to that shit They probably still they probably still talk about it When they're like bro yeah

Remember Isaac? No fast He was fast man they got They thought he's gonna play on the chargers What's 8th grade hit, I was never fast for my age a day of my life ever again. I was fast until I was 12 and then I stopped getting fast.

A flip switched. All right, listen, Killeen killer athlete of the year. Look at this guy right here. Five star athlete. Seventh grade. This is the first year I lived in Killeen. This is seventh grade. So what's going on in age 12? Bro, this is age 12 height

410. That's a running back. Is that your weight? Were you really a running back? Yeah, it was seventh grade football. Were you 93 pounds? I remember I was fast in sixth and seventh grade This is when I stopped being fast

But at the time I was quick 39 is such an ugly number It's disgusting No aura That was Danny Woodhead's number I was a charges fan He played for the charges of that time Shut up Danny Woodhead

Good pool That's why I'm 39 I'm not joking I was 39 No no I believe you I know you're not lying Wait also look at the catch He's doing like a toe tap

Like a toe drag He is Like he was gonna get that Completion like 100%. That was my favorite Look at that helmet The fucking fat-ass helmet Big old

I sent Tony's arms Right there So wait So what was the highlight Of your seventh grade year in football What was like the best play You ever made

And also the worst What's the most The most embarrassing Did you get flattened out Or what? A seventh grade I don't have a bad play I had a game

Touchdown for one game Eighth grade though Eighth grade I switched To outside linebacker And I was a edge rusher And one time I got behind behind the play The quarterback got to snap

went through his hands behind him balls bouncing back I'm full head of steam I scoop it up I run 20 yards ahead of me to end zone nobody in front of me nobody behind me it's just me

scoop up a fumble I fall down in 10 yard line I just fall on my face I scoop it I run and I just fall on my face and don't score a touchdown

for no reason Danny dime style that's crazy yeah I just fall for inexplicable reasons I just trip over my own feet I was getting ahead of myself how was your middle school

like football career 7th grade 7th grade I was on B team running back so I uneventful 8th grade I was so listen from 7th grade through 12th grade once I hit like 11 12th grade I wasn't good anymore I stopped growing I was too small to be good on varsity he was a bruiser just Brandon Jacobs does running no fast but 8th grade was 8th grade is when kids aren't big yet and I was really clever and really quick as an edge rusher so 8th grade we had these undisciplined ass 6-2 linemen they're just these large 8th grade I was cooking them with spin moves swim I was an eighth grade

prodigy on the head rush I was I was a beast at eighth grade I was a beast at eighth grade Dwight's cool and I stopped great I went to live Oak middle school we had the best dude that sounds fun as far cooking wait no it's fun as hell when everybody's unskilled and listen eighth grade I had some brains all I had knew was like I do this one thing do it again and again again they can't stop it those 8th grade old linemen were dufuses like I just wanted with slightly above average IQ in the eighth grade I go why I need to see some footage I need the huddle the huddle for sure yeah and yeah then I got the high school and freshman I was going on freshman team same reasons but then I got older and

get this is 6A football in Texas I played with people that went to Alabama and LSU not facts once I hit a certain age I didn't keep growing getting taller I cannot play varsity Who do you think is the best player that you ever played against or with? Against or with? One of my teammates, one of my teammates made the NFL. He didn't, I don't think he did a whole lot, but he made the NFL. He was a year younger than me. And against, I played a lot of people that went D1, but I don't think anybody that's, like, amazing.

Like, we have a friend that's playing at C.D. Lamb famously. Nobody like that, but there's a lot of people in our city that went D1. Well. You're added going like that And then I think this era 7th, 8th and 9th grade Demon Ooh

Baseball Look at his all-star bro Bro your parents You was active Oh my god Exactly I was flicked up too I just pictures of everything

That's a great picture They got the back Look at the background Again we don't We don't do it like this anymore I'm telling you This is Sammy Sosa We don't

I like this That's cute. I'll put that bitch on my fridge. For sure. Yeah, me too, honestly. This was second grade, I believe. Yeah. Were you like All-Star?

I was horrendous at baseball. So I had a problem. So football, I had those golden years when I was 12 through 15, then it fell off. Baseball, I was always terrible. I was atrocious. When I was, I'm really short as a kid, obviously too. So I'd get hit with pitches a lot because I have a small-dose strike zone. And they hit me all the time.

the time. I would get pelted in the thighs every five seconds in the second third grade. So I got the point where I hated that. Every time I swung, you know, you swing, you lead with your left foot and follow through. I would instinctively step my left foot super far back because I was like dodging, getting hit because I was tired of it. And it became like a mental block. Every single time I swung, I step my left foot way too far to the left. So when you swing, you just have no chance angle-wise of hitting the ball. Yeah. I struck out like every play because I could not step forward. My coaches are like, just don't step to the outside and you'll hit the ball. I promise. I'm trying. You're like, I'm dying out here. It was a crazy mental block. I just

could not stop stepping outwards. Like, looking back, I was a moron for not being able to figure that out. I mean, you were just responding to you. People are throwing at you. You were seven years old getting hit with the baseball. Yeah, yeah, I was seven. Maybe I was like 10 or 11. Yeah, they just hated me. If I was 10 or 11, I would have figured that out and probably been decent. Wait, don't they put you on the machine in like third grade? No, no. Put on my camera. turned off fuck oh my god you didn't clear the bitch out wait they don't wait they don't put you

because when you were saying when you were saying you were getting hit i was thinking that they were just like angling they're picking on second grade is the first year of fast pitch this is when they get you off the machines awful underhand this is when they kids actually pitch oh my those motherfuckers are not accurate they cannot throw in my strike zone yeah i never i never thought about that i didn't i never thought that like I didn't think height mattered like that in like baseball. I really I mean maybe I'm just unlucky I got hit a lot but yeah I'm in a small strike zone I mean

yeah yeah I I I only know cricket so no they they really they really don't take pictures like this anymore all right we're back I'm not even going to cut that I'm a I'm gonna leave your technical difficulty in the yeah episode never do that but a little behind the scenes yeah this guy last pod was in there but We move. And that's it. That's all we have. Thank you, Isaac.

There you go. I wish I had more hideous pictures to roast, but sadly, I got them. My ugly, my ugly phase wasn't in middle school, which makes it less impactful. No, no, no, no, no. Trust me. I got them, but they will never be released. No, my ugly face was in high school.

I had ugly faces in high school for sure, but middle school pictures aren't too bad. I have your old YouTube videos, so tread lightly. Everyone does. Trust me. Everyone does. I ain't delete them, hoas. It's like a fucking arm. Bro, this is a arms race.

It's a cold war. You privateed some of them. you that and they're downloading no i promise you they're all they're all out do you want to do this right now or you want to do you started stuttering they're all trust me guys trust me when we're like 30 years old we're gonna release them

the shit on my life's help make your fucking headspin of mo and that's a massive you know what else we're gonna pause that was funny to me no that was funny w joke It's time.

Crown eaters. Pull them holes out. Isaac, get equipped. Akeel. Get equipped. Donovan. You have no bag. Mr. Bagman yourself.

You have no bag. I don't have a crayon. I'm sorry. Crown eaters. Rejoice. Send me one. Buy one. The fuck?

Send me one. What do you mean? This is to you. TikTok time. Let's come. Welcome. to crayon eater corner aka tic-tok time aka the part the 11 year old's

called for where once again beginning with the draft this time we're going to do a draft of an NBA lineup with only players who were retired and played for one team in their entire career yo I just burped when it was disgusting let's go

wonderful wonderful so you guys know how it works fun now we're drafting point guard through center the only stipulation is this player had to have never changed teams in their entire career and the career has to be over doesn't matter how long it was

they just got to be retired and play for one team the draft order is donovan me mo donovan where are we going with the first pick with the first pick give me Kobe bean Bryant at my shooting guard snore could have I'm glad you did that I'm glad you did that you pick the second best score here give me the first best score give me Larry Bird at my small forward you can have that I'm locking them up okay okay Larry not like that okay okay I think I'm good white hope great position right now So at my five, give me Tim Duncan, and at my four, give me Dirk Nowitzki.

Oh, thank God. Thank God you do that. Give me Larry's running mate, rival, decade, co-pionaire, Magic Johnson. Okay, okay. I forgot, I forgot he only played with the magic and then he, or not magic, but Lakers and then you were tired for. Yep. Yeah. All right.

Well at my point guard Give me Isaiah Thomas And at my Too small Post it up All right relax

And then at my center Back him down Give me David Robinson Fuck shot Fuck man I was praying You forgot about him Somehow

Come on man Ah Y'all let me get him We've been over Okay I like what you got going Your fits real good So far

Yeah Yeah I'm on the topic Of the best winners Of all time Give me Bill Russell On my center Okay

I can't say anything So shout out Yeah you better not I salute It's not automatic win We respect our troops Exactly Okay

So Mr. Moja 99 Who was your back to back Picks Back to back My first back to back pick Is going to be Reggie Miller

I need his spacing My spacing is beautiful right now No And then at my Hmm and my three I need another spacer

like I have a clear cut recipe Reggie Moon is going to be my one and my three give me Tony Cooch yeah Regimen is going to be my one Ew are you got it yeah and then who was she pick? Three or yeah my three

Tony Coocoach okay I love the space Nicko how do you spell all right okay I'm saying Oh, oh, you got it.

Let's go. He looked it up. W. Producer. No, he didn't. He looked it up. Okay, I need to shoot. I need shooting as well. I'm going to run Larry Bird at the power forward.

Give me another old head. John Havlicek at the three. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got these old man shooters. No one can put a name to that face, but okay, let's do it. You think they can to Tony Kukovitch?

For sure. Tony, during the MJ era? Of course. How many bars is Tony Kukko-chin compared to John Havilechick? No one rapping about John Havilechick. Who's rapping about Kukko? Do you know a specific bar about him? Paul O.G., what the fuck?

Yeah. Okay. All right. Listen, obviously, all of these guys are retired. They all played in the olden days, so my team will fit at Power Forward. Give me big game James Worthy. At my power forward, and at my small forward, give me the doctor. Give me Julius Irving.

Ooh, okay. Julius Irving. Wait, did he only play with one NBA team? Yeah. I forget. Sixers and Nets. ABA is that? ABA.

76ers and Nets. Hmm. But what was in the ABA? Exactly. Was he not with that team? So when the first year of the merger, he switched to one team to stay there? He played with the 76ers. in the NBA.

Okay. I guess you can have that. Interesting. If it wasn't me, I would have been doxed. Yeah, he was a Philly the whole time. Yeah, he switched with the merger. Okay.

Slibe. That's a gray area. It's a gray area, but you can have it. We'll let you pass for now, right? I'm going to take it. Listen. I don't know if this is best fit, but the talent's undeniable.

I'm going to assemble the big three of pasty princes. Give me Jerry West in my shooting guard. I like that. Oh, my God, that was my pick. Damn, I tried to throw you off. Incorrected was my pick. Right. I put Raising Millar point guard for a reason.

Damn. You never stood a chance. You messed up putting Reggie Miller point guard. Oh, shit. Three strikes you're out. You've always been out. I never knew you would do this. Right.

Jerry West, my goat. Don't go. Damn. We're cooking up mean tuna salads on my team. Yeah, I ain't going to lie. You are. Okay, cool. You know,

it is what it is. Give you someone who is also a great playmaker and has this natural great chemistry with Tim Duncan. Manu Genoblee, congratulations. You are on my team. Nice. Two lefty for. Ooh, we. Oh, man, you're, let me see. Let me see.

Defensively, don't talk to me. But on offense, we are cooking. His back court combined averages less than seven assists a game. Okay, well, you know that's flawed. You know that's flawed when it comes to Manu. Mano's a legit good passer.

he's a good passer he's a cool shooting guard but when you have Reggie Miller at point guard it's kind of tough listen the ball listen I got spurs

no I got spurs DNA in my body don't know how to swing it ball movement that's all that matters we don't need a floor general you have no that can throw an entry pass

to Dirk or Tim Duncan my news there what are you talking about that's his job Greg Popsish will be in his ear that's cook coach's job try guard Julie Irving, good luck.

Exactly. Just that. Yeah. How are you going to guard Julie and coach? Yeah. How are you, once again? I got Lervin'Bird and

John Havaleigh, I'm fine. Larry Bird can't do nothing. He can't. Larry Bird is fried. Open space. Larry Bird's a good defender. Now listen, am I guarding Kobe? No.

But we live with that. You know, magic can check Kobe. Fuck it. Put the size on him. Magic. He does not want. Fride. He does not want that.

So to recap for audio listeners, My team is Magic Johnson, Jerry West, John Havlicek, Larry Legend, and Bill Russell. My team. My team. Isaiah Thomas, younger, or I guess older Isaiah Thomas, Kobe, Julia Servin, James Worthy, and David Robinson. Again, nice team. Great team. My team, Reggie Miller, Mano Genoblee, Tony Kooch, Dirk Nowitzie, and Tim Duncan.

My team would eat on 2K. I ain't a lot I just cannot resist pairing up Tim Duncan with Dirknerwitzie Those two would be I just need to see him on a time team I actually don't know how Dirk would fit in Spurs basketball

I think he would fit He would be great He would be perfect Obviously he'd be great It'll be a different way Duncan but yeah It would be like I'm saying It would look very different

He wasn't exactly a swing the ball type of guy He's kind of a ball stopper To some degree Compared to what the Spurs did Like it would be different Greg Popovich will get him right He's a real ISO type of guy Yeah a lot of people

Were back in the day I mean he was playing with bums too So Yeah yeah I'm not saying it's a flaw I'm just saying they play differently It would be interesting So why do you hate That I do will be deadly

That's what's the comments Every time I criticize Or make an observation of anybody That is not absolutely positive Why do you think I'm my favorite player All right man Good draft I don't know who won this one

kind of inconclusive I just know it wasn't moe I wouldn't oh for sure you're so wrong if you would have picked somebody else besides cooge if you'd have picked anybody else I would have been like what your team's cooking you could have got just talking no man you would have been good you know I would never do that if you know I was thinking that I was just suggested but I was like you yeah no yeah I would never he was right there I was looking at him too but I'm like no if like a reggie millis point guard I'd rather have anything yeah exactly okay next thing we're gonna do we're gonna run back something we have

done in quite a while. The last time we did it was at the NBA Combine when we interviewed some new 2024 NBA draft picks. We are going to rate some NBA hair swaps from 1 to 10. So I'm going to show you a player with a haircut they don't usually have in real life and you're going to rate from 1 to 10 how well it fits them. Okay. Are you ready?

We haven't done these in a minute. We haven't. We haven't done it alone in quite a while. But this should be a good one. I made all these myself in Photoshop so that should be a good one. Okay. This is carried in terms with passion. He's in the duffalo.

First off, we got LeBron James. It looks like the Kilmonger cut. It looks like something's growing on his head. It looks like, I don't know. It's like some barnacles on his head. I wear my hand back and forth. I wear my head back and forth. Oh my gosh. It doesn't like algae.

This is the cut they give to every black character in every video game the last 10 years. It's always the fucking dreads coming forward. Miles Morales. Oh, my God. I'm not that lie. see. This really makes me uncomfortable. Can we switch lights? Like, I'm really getting chills. This is nasty. So we can't give him a five, five at a ten? Zero. Nah. Sarah. I can't know. He looks mad Jamaican in this too. I don't know what it is. Exactly. Top of us being exposed like that.

Bombagat. Yeah, for sure, no. Mad Jamaican. Yeah, no. Get him out of here. Should I say two yeah two because he looks real okay two out of ten that's fair there's definitely the worst one on here eat mac curd goat next

we got we got Shay Gildous Alexander with the baldy he looks like does the aura stand does the or stay he looks like somebody who does he look like

oh my god from my wife and kids yes Yes. Yes. This is a Wayne's brother. That's what this is. This is Damon. This is Michael Kyle. You did him. The extra spotlight on his head is disgusting, though. It's so shiny. Like we get it. He's bald, but damn. It's wax. It's like a bowling ball. We got the little buffer machine on there. Just hella, hell of Lbug, recent headpin. He looks like Jared Jack. Like he would be related to him. He does look like Jared Jack. This is

I don't know what it is Every time we see a ball player on these They just look so devious They just It's like they're up to no good You know what it is Alien versus Predators He's one of them

Under that fucking mass He's a xenomorph Oh my god Exactly Long ass head Yeah that's the head That's the head for sure I'm giving him a 5 out of 10

It's not the worst thing I've ever seen The or is still there a little bit Zero because he loses Half of his attributes as a player What is Shea without the braids? Yeah, what is Shay without his braids?

Loses his sponsorships, row. Loses the coolness, loses his followers, loses the bars. It doesn't hit the same. Converses and shambles right now. Exactly. But this is a zero. I hate it. All right, next up.

We got his teammate. Chet Holmgren. I bet he, if he opened his mouth, he got no teeth. I just know it. Just hell of tongue and gums. Ew. I've seen someone who looked like this the other day. Hey, what?

Got a war? He's like Thor. No, in the street to New York. I've seen him. Oh, they don't loud. Oh, my gosh. No, this is mad majestic. This is a Norse god.

This is a different kind of Chet. This is not Chet Holmgren. This is Chet Hanks. Oh my God. No, he can wield an act. He looks like he could chop some trees down. some trees down. It looks like a joke you know a descendant.

I kind of fuck with it. It's kind of hard. Stop it. Stop it. With the beard. We've already discussed this. Any white person that has hair like this, they smelly. No, but it's not dreary.

It's more it's like straight and long. It's kind of like, it's more like Thor type braid. It's like entirely like dreads. This is either, it's either a smelly guy or this is Rebecca on vacation. I don't like it. It's a two out of time. I think if he pulled up on the court looking like this, his aura, his intimidation level would go through the roof. Are you intimidated by this?

If I saw, if I was trying to drive to the room and I saw seven feet of arms doing this with fucking coming out, I might be able to see it looks like Jacks. Really? He does. No, he looks like a predator. He looks. Yeah, not going to lie. I don't like that. He looks venomous.

I don't like that. There's two out of ten for me. He's saying he scores lethal liquid at you. Ew. With this hair? Ew. Yuck. they move to you know the Jurassic Park guy it's like and it's all over the

guy's face in the first one yeah your image is I give us a six being too he's acidic you're being too dead okay next up we got Kyrie Irving with a mellow haircut hmm how do I feel about this I feel like I've seen someone like this it makes him look so much older with this young-ass haircuts. He peaked in high school for sure. This is not Kyrie. Oh, definitely.

Yeah, for sure. This is a loser. Graduated high school or graduated college like four years ago and he still be showing them to them parties. You know, together. He's all the cap of parties still. Fats.

He'll be shir me. I can't do that too. They go try and fight me. Beat your ass. I'm actually surprised. She goes and jumps to the door like Kulay, man. I'm surprised Danny Green never did this

No Danny Green did this is a terrible allegation He'll be out of the league Have to be Yeah this is a terrible allegation too if No he does He looks like a fucking UFC fighter

They always have some crazy look going on If he does look like a UC fighter Little like he'll be giving people Hella rib shots with his knee Just Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I just see it already Crazy as fuck

I'm giving this a two out of 10 this looks desperate it looks like midlife crisis listen this puts him in danny green conversations one out of 10 damn never go full Danny green haircut wise all right next up Luca donchich with the pig tails that boy looked like a brat oh my god so he looks like cynthia up in the regrats it's kind of tough looks a little getting a little European vibe low key like I can I can see this is a soccer player doesn't say that some holland vibes

holland yeah he should be on the cover of b a mc i like that it's a brat summer and luca's playing along i see lucca this is actually this is actually look this is the first great one we see i can't see it looks like haley van lith the kill said not as od accurate you know what's funny when i made this ticot i'm gonna cut out me saying kill said and i'm just gonna say he looks like haley van lith on your credit that's wrong it's gonna be hilarious the comments are never gonna know he has too much control

i'm gonna give this a seven i want to see it and you're talking about intimidation factor luka pulls up with the pigtails what do you do i don't know i mean you're screwed be scared you have no idea if because you know like oh he's mental like if he's coming out the locker looking like this he's on something today if luka had joke him no has been mentality? I'm not stepping near him. He's averaging 80 a game. I won't either. All right. Next one. La Mello ball with the majestic red. Oh my God. This is a Spain. It looks like a, the Spaniard. It looks like an imaginary character. He looks like a dragon. This looks like riffraff. A riffraff. No disrespect. No disrespect to riprap.

my main goal is to blow up and act like I don't know nobody this is on brand for Lemello though let's be real what brand is that he doesn't speak English so it's just like heart heart spaceships

this is the haircut of somebody who speaks in emojis yeah exactly this is a losing bird fan right here I'm making a comical character yeah you ever seen uh well there's a there's a show on Disney Channel or Nickelodeon

with this dude named Jake and he turned into a dragon Jake I know you're talking about Jake the teenage dragon yes hard it looks like a character one of them villains he does now this guy looks like he's in a fight shang-shee

this is a 10 to me I ain't go why I like this look what it looks realistic so shocked realistic I'll go 10 I go 10 4 to 10 you guys are out of your fucking bud he needs to he needs to cover his tattoos we got Steph Curry balding

this is dead hanging on this is Del hanging on to the back this is Del Curry this is a real person that's what he looks like this is a glimpse into the future exactly but step he's holding onto it for dear life in the back you got the low taper fade on the baldy low taper fade on the baldty tells you tells me you be fixing aces oh my god look very handy but people like this that they're basically ball but they're gonna edge up in the middle of their head it's diabolical just taking them hell of time and space

in the barbershop why i don't get the fuck out of here yeah exactly have you seen the reverse fades where people have the packs on the back and they get those faded up? Oh my God, no. It's crazy. I'm going to send you what after. On one note is realistic. On the other note,

all his aura has gone. All of it. If he was just straight up bald and grew out the beer a little bit, there would be a little bit of aura in there. You're in your old man face, but he's in his indeniable old man face. An indeniable old man?

Yeah. He can never lose his name. His dog river's face. He looks sick. He's like Christian Bell in that movie. Listen. So three out of ten. Wardell.

Book that flight. Don't, don't ever, don't ever, ever go ball, right? If you have to get the main unit, by all means,

you have the pass. Curry with the weave is diabolical. Curry gets the man weave pass. All right, all right, all right, that's too much. That's too much.

That's too much. Oh, that's the last one. Those are funny. Oh, man, that's good. Next thing we're going to do, a tier list. Bringing it back has been a few weeks. What? We're going to talk about something we,

I don't think we were talking about before. At least not straight up. We're going to talk about NBA villains, players that people love to root against, people maybe reform, whatever may be. They made themselves villains in one way or another. And we're going to put them in a cheer list based on how great of a villain they were for their era.

Okay. How great was their villain? run. What do they accomplishes a villain? What do they have a fear today and still? Whatever may be. Okay. Okay. So, real simple. Let's put the best NBA villains of all time into a tier list. First off, we got to start with the most devious man in the NBA, Kevin Garnett. Oh, this guy. I don't even know if he was a villain as much as an asshole. Just a menace, right? Like, that's different. Because I don't think people like hated hated him like that. So I'm gonna give him again. Ask Carmelo Anthony

how he feels about his villainness. Hey man. Hey man. Listen. I'm not here to speak on that, right? That was never confirmed. Cage's got to be a tier. That man is a motor mouth. He is ridiculous. It has to be a tier. Yeah, I'll give him a tier. I want to give him a mess. But I let y'all rock. Okay, there's bigger assholes out there. Really? Will Chamberlain. Perhaps the meanest in NBA history. Isn't there a story? That's more off the story. Yeah, isn't there a story of like

Wilt spinning down on somebody when they asked like, how was the weather up there? And he was like, I don't know. Yeah, Kareem's they did in an elevator. And he spit down at somebody. That's so crazy, bro. You'd have to get an obstacle.

You'd have to get a punch to your gut. Like if I'm already, if I'm already down there, just a straight jab. But you're in the elevator. You're cooked because he's going to, boom, boom, boot. Like, you're getting a jabman cool,

but you're cooked. See, now I know that you're, been watching movies in the middle of the day recently, right? Have you seen the Captain America where they had the fight scene in the elevator? That would be me against Will. Do you have hands like that? Listen. Against Wilt?

Don't find out. Don't find out. You don't know what I'm here. You don't know what I'm like. We'll go to be. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, Moses was off the court.

B's Fair. What do you want to do with Miami LeBron? He turned on Cleveland. People hated him. Honestly. People hated him to his bones. Not for great reasons, though. Not for great reasons.

Doesn't matter. He played into it. That man was a villain for four years. I'll give him C. Only C. Only C. I'm only counting the first year in Miami as the villain. Because right after that, he was like, yeah, I'm not the villain.

Like, I can't do this. You're right. So really, he quickly shook them back to the hero. He wasn't built for that life. It really should be. Yeah. He quit being a villain after one year. He lost in the finals.

His worst finest performance ever. He wasn't great as the villain. Sounds like an F tier to me. He sounds like a failed villain. Fake villain, fake demon. That's what he was. F tier for LeBron, not a good villain. He wanted too badly to be the hero.

All right, let's go to this. Just go counterpart. Where did we go with Michael Jordan? Oh, he thrived on it. He loved being the villain. He was built to be a villain. Exactly. You put Michael Jordan in S tier.

But an entire generation of superstars won zero rings besides Akeem Because this motherfucker was gatekeeping him That's me, that's a villain right there He was also psychotic too Points the shit out of his teammates That's good villain points Yeah, your teammate For sure he's a villain

Alright well we're on the topic Dremont Green Also If you punch a teammate Yes Automatic S tier Internal and external villainous. Yes, your S-tier.

It's like an automatic March Madness bid. You punch a teammate, you're S-tier villain. A hundred percent. Has highlight real of just straight violence in the NBA during regulation. On the clock, crazy. Put him in S-tier. On the clock? Yeah.

Or company violence is outrageous. Yeah, exactly, bro. In front of the shareholders? Oh, my God. And, bro, during the 40 hours, crazy work. You love middle. You let middle management. See? Unbelievable. That's good.

We go, Trey Young, the New York killer. He was just a villain for that one year. Yeah, he had a short run. I'll give him, I will say. That one year, though, was crazy. It had been a long time since the league had a villain, and Trey Young instantly stepped into it. He reveled in it.

I'm going to put him in A. I think Trey O'clock is. Hey, okay. I think Trey Young is crazy. The amount of real estate, it's been years. Yeah, it's been years in the city in New York still saying FU Trey Young. He has real life, real estate, real life trauma embedded in a lot of New York Knicks fans' heads. I mean, that's more symbolic.

It's been some years. Listen, he may not have the longevity, but not every villain has their villain moment, the level he did. It's like Hawaii's 2019 ring. He got his one big moment. He's one villain ship and then fell off, but the villainship still happened. Yeah. In the league today, it was what was needed. This man bowed in front of the garden.

after eliminating them. Yeah. I still can't stand this man. Put him in a tier. All right. Patrick Beverly. Oh, this guy just sucks. Bro,

he was promoting his podcast to a lady. Oh, he didn't want to talk to a reporter because he didn't want to go ahead and report to promote his podcast. He's lame. But he was so villainous. He got deported.

That's pretty crazy. I'm going S-tier. Pat Bev, while he has had some decent moments in the NBA, that's literally all he's known as is just a villain. When you call Patrick Beverly to bring him on your roster is for the one reason to go out and be a menace and be a villain. You got it. We need some bastards on our team.

Call up Pat Bev. That's what they do. You got a kid. It's like, the villains call up the penguin. It's like, listen, we need some hitters come with us. Yeah. but recruiting the riddler but is he really s tier though because he no he's 18 he's not but he's not good though or he's not like great so you love to hate him yeah yeah you're

right but okay this is a villain cheer list not a skill theater list exactly his villainy has nothing to do to skill level yeah but the villains of there actually were great though but we can so all right let's go i'm bearing the lead with the guy we got to talk about Bill Lambert This is Way ahead of his time Way ahead of his time Triple S

The top of the S Double S whatever you want to call it Breaks our scale The most obvious S tier You want to talk about punching people in the face And violence on the clock Bill Lambeer is the first thing

That comes to mind Yeah He's the embodiment of that For sure You want to talk about A nuisance on and off the court Like Pat Bev Bill Lambeer

You want to talk about Violent Bill Lambeer You want to talk about Unlikeable Bill Lambeer Pest through and through he got it he's one he's been he's been a villain for generations I don't even villain is the right way to describe him I would say felon he promises he'll never stop going in basketball still going in Kevin

he ruined basketball for a lot of hands for three years he ruined basketball that's pretty high on the list this man we could have had a rivalry legitimate just one-on-one lebron lebron versus step and here kd come in ruined the whole thing messed it up yeah put it it could have been better than jordan that could have been magic versus bird v too and we had to come in and bring this mercenary unbelievable thanks kevin mercenary what a the hired gun. A tier. Ozzy might be S tier. Because like he real life broke so many fans' hearts and he did basketball sin.

That is true. He shaped the generation of basketball with his villainy. Like it's obviously S too. Yeah, he broke so many unwritten rules. That's true. He's as to. And he was like a fan favorite hero term villain. That gives you extra points.

People turned on him hard. It was like an Anakin, Darth Vader type of type of thing. Literally. You either die hero or. or you live long as to turn into Kevin Durant. Bar. I like this. I like this.

All right. Meta World Peace. This is Estir. This is Estir. He will fight you. Damn. I just think all the violent guys got to be Esther. Exactly.

He will fight you on the court. He will fight you in the stand. He will fight you off the court. He will give you an elbow to the head. He will jump over the scores table. Catch a beer and throw it right back at you. He doesn't care. He doesn't care.

does not care. Listen, depending on what part of the country you live in, the cicadas outside are loud as hell at night.

That's been James Hardin's night every day for the last 12 years since he out of him in the year. He's never stopped hearing those cicadas. That man,

be tweaking in the playoffs. No wonder why. That makes so much sense. That's why he missed all those threes. He was, he was busy. He's always like his phones going off.

He's confused. He's confused. Yeah, it makes sense, bro. Whenever, yeah, I mean, yeah, it makes some pretty sense. Dennis Rodman. Was he even a villain like that? Like I know, listen, I know people didn't really like him. Oh, yeah, bad boy days?

He was violent for sure. He was dirty. Definitely dirty. Eh, he's just a wild boy. You know. Now, bad boy days, he had no regard for his body, toss himself around, pissing everybody off, at least beat here. Yeah, just a wild guy.

He's known for a lot, but before the Bulls era, he was mainly known for how crazy he was and how just... Yeah, bro, the Bulls saved his career. He was almost ad the league because he was such a wild boy. G.S. couldn't even tolerate it anymore. Like, he was such a villain. Teams were like, I cannot employ you. I'm scared. But you're talking about that.

You're talking about Detroit. He was just a hard hat guy. Coming to work, right? Had his little... Hard-hat guy. Peanut butter and jelly. Just want to get down to work. Get down to brass tacks.

right that's all he wanted to do he just wanted to dive into if there's a rule that permitted pistol whipping in game he would do it oh my god i mean wouldn't you said i'm saying it's so delayed if that was allowed right you said you said wouldn't you what are we talking about right now it would even the playing field lebron is you play the game to win. LeBron is 6.9 and can jump 40 inches. I can't do that. But you can, listen, you give me a tool.

The but. Listen, come down the lane, LeBron, if you want. I dare you. I dare you. This is Robin B tier. That's fair.

Larry Bird. He taught so much. Where are we going? He's not A. I mean, he's not S for sure. Can't be S. Impossible. No.

not in the violence well listen he might throw a hip or two he's teetering yeah for sure but that's just yeah that's just I think a lot of

my boy basketball that's what I'm saying a lot of his villainous just came from black hate you know like it was just a lot just a lot of people

just being like man this white boy can't be that good right and he's like no like I actually am that good like oh you suck I hate you

you're like god damn but he's right to I think it's like a cool We'll see. It was cold for sure. Okay, maybe he's not that villain.

That's fair. Yeah. We have a lot of S tier, but how can you deny any of their X tier capabilities? Yeah, KD ruined a whole generation, not a generation of basketball, five-year span of basketball. Meadow World Peace. Metal world peace.

Why? That's an era. Bill Ambier, Dremont Green, Michael Jordan. We can't put them any lower. Nope. And this is the definitive NBA villains tier list. I'll seem by adding Dylan's tier list. but I was like, that's disrespectful.

He is not that important. I couldn't think of who else. Who else should I have added? Rashid Wallace. Mm. Rashid's what? Good B-Tier? That's a good one.

A tier? Yeah. I mean, listen, Bruce Bowen kicked a guy in the face. I forgot about Bruce Bowen. Wait, I got to look it up. That's so funny. You never seen that? It's hilarious.

It's not top of mine right now. He's shooting a jump shot. He jumps up and kicks in the face. Wally Zerby, I got it. with the pump fake and Bruce was like a, like he's got him and he runs jumps and kicks

him in the face no oh my god I just saw this live what the fuck man no he got it alright man that's enough villain talk

next thing we're gonna do Mo I think you have some Antman propaganda dispute ah here we go ah yes we're gonna go back to rating things but this time I got some highlights specifically

for you guys to rates on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of how impressive they are. So. Okay. And they're all from Anthony Edwards. All from Anthony Edwards. You're going to see a combination maybe dunks, maybe a block or whatever. You'll see what's in the bag right now. So. Okay.

I want you to rate these Anthony Edward highlights on a scale of 1 to 10. Let's see how, rate them based on how they're impressive they are. Okay. So first up, we got Anthony Edwards pointing at Reggie Jackson after he crossed him over. Yeah, draw attention.

I don't think we can see that shit. I wish he would have like sunk a three. This would be a lot better if he made a shot right after. It's still dope, but it would have hurt so bad. It would be an all-time highlight if you drilled that three. Dropping somebody is crazy, but like pointing at somebody, we only see that for real for real and like high school mixtapes. Like you really, to be that level of disrespectful,

in the NBA, that's just, oh my gosh. It's kind of funny that he stopped the play. He gathered himself and was like, I see you, and then went back to playing basketball. Yeah, that's that player development. That was a terrible shot that he took right after that as well. He just ruined everything, bro. He ruined the flow of the play, but it was hilarious.

He was like, ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, like one of them. As a highlight, it's a three out of ten, have better basketball IQ, but disrespectful, 10 out of 10. We're talking about basketball IQ and highlights. See, it is impressive, though, because, bro. It wasn't a highlight. He didn't make a basket. Reggie Jackson wasn't even his primary defender.

He made a dude hit the floor. And it wasn't even his primary defender, too. Impressive if you ask me. That is embarrassed. Damn, both knees on the ground like that. Oh, my God, that thumbnail was crazy. Reggie Miller. Reggie, like, like, grab him.

He was like, oh, oh, trying to stop himself from falling. Reggie Jackson starts playing Twister. After, after this crossover, what do we talk? This, this is clearly like at least a seven out of ten. Yeah, he's about the pre. I think seven's passable. Seven's passable. Okay.

All right. Next up. So I won't get crossed like this again. We got an airman embarrassing John Collins. I mean 10, obviously. This is one of the best dunks in modern NBA history. Of the last five years, this is one of the best dunks you've ever seen. We've said it many times. Literally dunking a man into head trauma into a concussion is next level disrespectful.

Hurting yourself in the process. Next level. This is... You love the game so much. You want to inflict so much pain you're willing to sacrifice your wrist? Ten, that's then. It's a car crash. That's what this is.

This is a car crash. Why would... This belongs on the NFL big hits mixtape. They don't even allow this type of violence in NFL anymore. This would be a flag for unnecessary roughness. I wonder what possessed Anthony Edwards to jump from that far, thinking that he could make a product that. It only makes sense.

Ah, it only makes sense. This is a 10, right? Clear's Day. Immediate 10. 10 out of 10. The clears to 10. Play of his career probably. Okay.

Okay. I like that. Next up, we got Anthony Edwards self-oop. Nice. Let me see. See, a lot of these like self-aloups. I've seen it a lot. So they kind of have been devalued a little bit to me, but, but.

Snatched back. Oh, my God. Is he tween up and under? Never mind. Never mind. This is not devalued at all. This is a 10 out of, yeah. I'm just a disgust to me.

I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. To get him on the pump. fake and some people would shoot the hard jumper some people would pass it keep it moving he said nah I got me I'm gonna set myself up 10 out of 10 this is glorious oh my goodness if Rudy go barrett and car

Anthony towns weren't on the Timberwolves I would be a Timberwolves fan this guy is ridiculous this is crazy oh my gosh athleticism is ridiculous 10 out of 10 this this move right here was the reason why the Memphis gris got rid of Xavier so now we can't have this on a roster no more show it again

I just I just want to watch this is glorious You guys talk. His pace is ridiculous on this play. Oh, pace is ridiculous. Yeah, he's fast as hell. Oh my God. Accelerating and deceleration like that is ridiculous.

Bro, he jumped from far as shit out. That's some vertical. Yeah, in traffic too. Don't jump, dummy. Oh, my God. From the Frito line? Yeah. Yeah.

It looks like Blake Griffin. You're an idiot. 10 on 10 on 10. And next up, we got the greatest. of all time that didn't count. See, it's a lot of don't. Okay. Come down laying against Miami heats. Oh, look at that. I don't know if I've seen this one.

Duncan Robinson. Are you stupid? Why are you? Oh, my God. Gabe Benton died. Gabe Vincent better be lucky that that ref is a coward. That ref is a ho! Wait, run that back, run the back. Again, once again, Duncan Robinson, are you dumb? Why are you pressing that high? You know you are not that fast.

Now, what makes this so much worse? Staring down Yeah But he won this step over But gave Vincent's fucking He wiggled his way out of there real fast He was He didn't let it happen

And I go like he put his hand On the palm of his forehead bro Oh my goodness He stared at him too Nope No punches were thrown Nobody pushed him Yeah the heat are not

They're not made like that He culture is fake Now Is it at least a 9 out of 10 Despite it being zero points It didn't count Yeah you're still giving it a 9 out of 10 Even though it's not going to be

He looks so young with the circuit Don't care Yeah The ref made the bad decision Anthony Edwards. Palm in the head. Oh, my God.

Bro, he's what? Violent. This is forced nuts in face. Get the gun. Reinforced via hand. Do you believe me now that we need pistol whipping in the NBA?

You can't let this happen. You can't let this happen. The very next play. Come on. Come on. Oh, man. Oh, my God. This is the NBA's greatest tea bag.

Oh. Oh, man, I ain't go lie. Adam Silver should have suspended him if this would have counted. Maybe that ref did him, did him justice by not counting this, bro. And then he stomps on him on the way down. Oh, my, Gay Vincent. Hey, we got to get this guy off my team. Oh, wow.

He's throwing your team, or that's a 10, bro. We've got to get Gay Vincent out of here. That is a 10. That is a 10. That is a 10, bro. Next up, we got Anthony Edwards. block versus the Indiana Pacers. Okay. Run this.

Run this. Happened this past season. Look at this. I don't think I remember this one. This is what happens here. Okay. Oh, we're going to tie the game. Oh my God.

Once again. He's literally out of the gym. Once again. That verticality is ridiculous. You're injuring yourself. He's hitting his head on the backboard. He could have concussed himself. And y'all want to put, and y'all want to put, and y'all

you ever see a crazy guy in a bar fight. You ever see a crazy guy in a bar fight who's like, ah, punching this. head slamming against the wall, just a maniacal motherfucker you don't want to touch. This is Anthony Edwards. No regard for his body. And like Nikiel said, this was for game, bro. Can we run that back? This was for game.

This is crazy. Is this guy Shake Gilgous Alexander could never do this in his entire life. He doesn't have the hops for this. Instead he got chipped back there to go and himself save his life. I understand it. This guy might, in another life, this guy would have been Ed Reed. He could have dominated

as a free safety. Shut out, Ed Reed. I'm sending a theme here. Look, he hit his head on the backboard. That is Cam Chancellor. I don't disrespect him like that. What do you mean? Cam different.

All right. I still get nothing about Cam Chancellor. We can't do that. I love that team, man. All right. So is this a 10? I'm going 9 out of 10, 10. What are we thinking?

This is for game. There's got to be a 10 out of 10. Is this one of like the 10 most entertaining players I've ever seen in my life? Yes. There are so many tens. Yeah. Elite highlight real. If you think this is the 10 next up, notoriously, we got Anthony Edwards dunk versus

you know what a Navi. I said that John Collins dunk might be the best dunk of his career. I lied. This might be better. This is ridiculous. This is the christening of Anthony Edwards as a superstar talent. Just I've never looked at you to the same. I'll say that.

You decide the league now. He retired from the NBA basketball for a reason. And that's all the butterfly effect from this play. This was the start of the downfall. PR down the tone. He can't get no PT anymore because of this play. So he quit. I respect it.

He's lucky there was no fans in this arena or he would have had the most embarrassing night of his life. No, not going to lie. It's kind of, it's even worse that there's no fans because now he's just sitting down with his thoughts. Like, damn, that really just happened. It's quite. And all my teammates are not even helping me up right now.

Bro, everybody else on the team immediately looks up and it's like, Now, I got to see that again. He's in disbelief that he did. Once again, we have an Anthony Edwards 10. Yeah, he might. He might. He's on the trajectory right now for putting together one of the best highlight tapes of all time.

Rare air. He's that guy. What's next way? Next up, we got Anthony Edwards crossing over Dante X-M. Oh. Oh, made him See, last time we saw a crossover Didn't result in the basket

This one did Automatically gets higher This is a 7 out of 10 For his standards Anthony Hits a 3 to cut it to 20 But down by 23 Yeah

At least he made the basket though He did Yeah The stakes weren't there But we got it We got a mid-basket after crossover. Minus the scoreboard. This is like probably a eight.

Okay. Nothing crazy. How many of you got left? We got one more left, I believe. Next up, we got Anthony Edwards dunking on KD. Oh, legend? I mean, student becomes a teacher? Yeah, a student becomes a teacher.

I believe this happened in the playoffs as well, but I could be wrong. It was absolutely disgusting. Taking forever to get this to highlight. This happened during the playoffs makes it even worse. Look at the defense Look at the defense By the two weeks

Bring the ball up Love to see it He's just walking it up He's like oh I'm surveying his time I'm putting it duff on him so hard Yeah Look at Katie playing his role Being the great helpside defender

That he is He can't guard me Oh what you do Don't jump Damn He shoved KD so far in the air Katie was at the end of the restricted zone Ended up at the bottom of the baseline

Like moved him out of the way Listen he's a lot of good done So this is like the fifth best dog of his career, but it's still a nine out of its end. It's crazy. I think what makes it better is that it's on Katie. If this happened to someone like, I don't know. And Katie knows like, all right. Yeah. Katie knows I can't jump with him. I just have to slide out the way. I'll go eight. I'll go eight or nine. Kevin Durant. Because it wasn't as much contact. Yeah. If Katie had jumped, it would be 10 out of 10. But he made the business decision. He got out the way. But this is really like. It's a rare, like, dagger dunk. Normally you see, like, dagger jump shots towards the end of playoff games. I know they only go up four. As soon as he made this, it was like, all right, the team was got this game. Yep.

It was over. The championship window was open. And this dude is only 22 years old. Damn. Unbelievable highlight table already. Jesus. Wow. And that's the clip.

All right. Nice. We got one more video left before we get out of here for in this long episode, full of arguing and laughing. We're going to talk about legacy. We're going to get real serious. Yeah, yeah, legacy talk. Let's go.

I'm going to name two NBA players. I want you to tell me who has had the better legacy so far. All right, let's do it. Talk to me. Luca Donchich or Chris Paul. Who has accomplished more in their career? Why are we starting off like this? We've seen Chris Paul because of longevity, you've seen Chris Paul fail so much more often.

and Luca's only failed once in his career because of him and other issues his team had. Same amount of finals births, same amount of Western Conference finals, same amount of all NBA's. I mean, if that's the case, no,

I actually think Luca might have, oh, in terms of like first team, but if that's the case, we got to respect our elders. We'll give Chris Paul, right? We'll give the point God. Never mind.

Not the same amount of all NBA's. Chris Paul is 11. I don't know me first team's up. Okay. Anyway, we'll give the point God the not. For now, but it's dwindling.

Give him like two more years than it's always. Amen. Yeah, give Luca 18 months and I think he's in a surpass of Chris Paul has accomplished. That's fair.

But that's not right now. Emmanuel, you are safe. He's lucky 11 all MBAs is a lot to pass up, so we'll give him some time. He remains in NBA history. Next one. James Hardin or Anthony Davis.

It's Anthony Davis. A.D. It's honestly not even close. James Hardin's legacy is a playoff choker. There's an MVP. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. We know him as a playoff choker.

I think when I see AD, I see a winner on every single level. When in college, one in the NBA, one on the Olympic level as well. Number one overall pick, like, he's just that guy. His eyebrow is better than James Hardin's beer. like everything just all around. Debatable, it's debatable. I'm just saying. Then again, the peak era of that beard

also had a Mohawk, which looking back is insane. However, that's the one thing I will say. He was kind of rocking it. It was kind of rocking it. It's easy to rock it when you're the best score in the NBA.

You have a lot of leeway. I know. But would have been better without the Mohawk, maybe? Listen, his head is shaped a certain way. I'm not going to hate on Jay Potter like that. But I will go with Anthony Davis. Have you seen James?

Harden without the Mohawk? He needed it. Oh, those braids? Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Next one. Jason Tatum or Draymond Green.

It's also not even close. It's Draymond green. Jason Tatum just won a championship and is getting slandered more. When did that ever happen in India history? It's not his fault. Twitter is dumb. He didn't ask for this.

Listen, some people are pursuing. it a certain way. Jason Tatum clearly has bad PR, clearly does not know how to get on the good side of the internet. Jermon Green, as we have talked in this episode and maybe, you want to talk about bad PR. And Raymond Green. However, most of that bad PR is done by him, right? Other people are not doing that for him.

And he's still like, no, he's all right. You're not that bad. He's crazy. You type in Dremont Green. You type in Dremont Green, the auto fill, the first thing says Fiss. You're probably right. This man puts a shit up of his teammate. Sometimes you got to fight.

I'm just sorry. Like I don't know. I'll go Dremont, though. Yeah, it's Dremont for sure. I'd rather be remembered like Dremont than remember like Tatum. DPOI, part of a dynasty, all that stuff. I'd die a villain, man. I die a villain for sure.

Okay. Next one. Steph Curry or Larry Bird. I know all the frat white boys. Listen, they love their king. he's not step curry listen they claim step curry too no they don't

I mean sometimes I didn't say they're allowed to they claim Steph Curry they do they do whether you like it or not they do with the way they ride for Larry Bird I understand that

but Curry is the only answer why I mean only answer just as accomplished three time MVP only got to win three in a row yeah three time MVP But that don't even move you bro. He broke basketball. Larry ain't ever do that. He broke hearts

hurt feelings. Yes, he did. Demoralized people. It's lucky Jerry West came before him, but in terms of winning at the highest level, Larry Bird came in and revolutionized the game. No, he didn't, he didn't break no color barrier. He was just super nice at it. That's all. There was a Jerry West in his age. There was a Bobbussy. Jerry West couldn't get it done. Larry Bird won five rings. Who did that like him? Who like him did that before him? They've been whites before them that were elite. Oh, he's talking about. Larry Bird has three rings.

Who like him is on that before him? Oh, my God. His race is the onlyness that's carrying him. With Steph Curry, he got both races, all right? And also, he got more than one in the B. But Steph Curry has three of them. He has both races. What do you mean?

Curry? Okay, well, we're pretty going to have a very different conversation. Do he is not? What are you talking about? He is. What do you mean? Why does he have green eyes? His parents are black.

Recessive genes. What about his parents? What about his parents' parents, though? Who are his parents' parents? Man, we're not talking about it. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about that. We're not calling up Dr. Ruma.

Let's dive in to the family tree. This is a TRT. You go ahead and look at Dill Curry parents now. Please, this is a black man. All right, next one. with a beautiful black family Dirk or Charles Barclay

Listen Dirk or Charles Barkley Shout out to Chuck He's hard He is the most lovable fat guy in NBA history Dirk has a ring Dirk has it

Like he got He doesn't have a successful TV career Dirk doesn't have Churros Dirk doesn't have I can't think of any more bits Yeah Charles Barkley legacy

lasts longer It's beyond basketball And that's dope. Now, is it for good reasons? Neither. I will not say. I mean, listen, Dirk is, he's certified, though. He's like that.

He's down. What do you mean? He's down. Playing for one team their entire career, winning with them. That just gives you more clout than what Charles Barkley was able to do with multiple teams. We're talking about family trees. Go look at Dirk's family. Say, we rocking with Dirk.

Dirk rocking with us. Whatever, give it to Dirk, I guess. I remember Dirk and them tinfoil plates? I remember. Exactly. Because I hate getting fades in Dallas. I hear in Eau, Cliff. Why are you here?

I love to see his Thanksgiving plates. Next up. Yeah, exactly. Shack or Tim Duncan. One's one of the best winners of all time. the most dominant player of all time. I don't know. Give me Tim Duncan. Quiet life, quiet guy. Straight to the point.

You respect the hard worker? Roll nose to the grind. I think Tim is better. Yeah. We had to make up a turn just to give Shaq credit, right? We just had to say most dominant ever and then you got it. So his like I think that might take away. I feel like we had to force ourselves to give him credit that we got to like you said, we had to make up a turn that make a wish ass title. He's not the goat. We just want to give him something like that. Make a wish title.

What does Dominant even mean? Like, what? The thing about Tim Duncan, you know what you see? Yeah, forceful. Probably. There's nothing you can do about it. That's what Shaq was.

But when it comes to Tim Duncan, he has like, he's the most oralist goat ever. He's the goat of having negative aura. Not influential whatsoever. And that's kind of hard. Is it? It's kind of dope.

When he wouldn't, none of that extra shit just he got a technical foul back to the basket clapping on a bench yeah but like that's the type of player that he is

that ref was wilding I'll go to honestly Tim Duncan Tim Duncan accomplish more Shaq's PR is through the roof his brand is ridiculous his visibility is ridiculous he'll take money for everything

though give me Tim Duncan give me Tim Duncan we don't even got to get into that way he's taking money for now but a certain listen the prophecy has been fulfilled

the prophecy has been fulfilled in the worst way. Tyler, I am. You are a prophet. True. It is new. If you know, you fucking know. Oh, my God. Alright, next one. Carrey Irving or Tony Parker. Tony Parker just looks evil, bro. Something about that guy just don't trust. I just don't trust. I mean, listen, you're kind of fair not to trust him, you know. What are you trying to say? It's not the most trustworthy guy. Background knowledge, Donovan. Listen, man Not the best track record

I'm not here to say I'm not here to You know rehash old stuff You know what happened in the past is the past But you can forgive But you can never forget And that's just how to him He's taking his homies girl

Oh my God I forgot Yeah Give me Kyrie Yeah Go ahead and see Yeah Yeah Give me Kyrie

Kyrie Kire would never do that To Kevin Love Never Yeah plus him has never hit a step back. Tony Parker has never hit a step back through over Steph Curry.

But he does have one of the most lethal and underrated mid-range games in NBA history. Carries is better. Left-hand floater? That's not debatable. That's not debatable. Left-hand floater to win games?

Come on now. He popularized a floater for sure. People are going to talk about Kyrie in 30 years like a fucking Messiah. He's in an age so well PR-wise. The most skilled player of all-time thing is going to stick just like Shaq in his most dominant thing.

People are going to forget all the flaws only see the strengths in 20 years is going to be Kyrie. Don't disrespect, Chief now, all right? Don't do that. You got it. Hella.

I'm in line. The last one, Kevin Garnett versus Kevin Durant. First of all, Kevin Garnett is, his head is skinny. He looked like a backwood.

The lighting is, terrible plus the old age and that's the end of the show we're cutting here. We'll see you on next week.