The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Top 30 Players In The NBA | Ep. 120

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

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y'all feeling festive i mean as much as i can be i'm just here for the gifts man i heard that we are gifts today and i'm a man it's a bold assumption no substance so you're getting me a gift if not i'm walking out with one bold assumption then i'm going to gift you anything if you're not going to gift me something i'm taking i'll tell you right not i'm i didn't get you guys i have no gifts let's be this guy welcome back y'all we're here for our second end annual TD3 Christmas episode. We've got a little decoration going on. He's got some shit on his head.

We're here, man, in person, the monthly show. We told you guys last month when we debuted this new studio that once a month we're going to be here doing an in-person show until April when we're going to be doing it full-time in person, every single piece of content from here on out. Yeah, man, here we are for the December show. We are not liars. Not, not.

Not today. Yeah, for now. Today we're not. Exactly. We are known liars in some other ways, but today we're good. We're good. Yeah, man, on top of this being the annual TD through Christmas show, it's also a special episode on the content side. Because I think it's going to be part of the Christmas tradition.

Every single time this time of year comes around, we are going to rank the current top 30 players in the NBA. We did this last year. And I like doing it at this point because we have like 25 games of sample size. So it is based on this year. But, you know, it's still kind of a small sample size. So we based some stuff off of the last year and kind of like try to balance it. And last year, some players got up to a really hot start. the shit fell off some players started slow they bounced back so we're kind of setting ourselves up for

the not to age well but i think that makes it fun yeah it's fun though because it is like a nice it listen the player who fell off the most tyrese halliburne right right we all had them we had my 14 last year that's what i'm saying we all had them really really high so it is a nice snapshot of like what was going on in the NBA at this time and now listen sometimes we get to hate early too like there's There's, there's some, there's some guys we can just get out ahead and be like, I understand what they're doing throughout the first 25 games. I don't think that's going to continue. I'm not going to have on my list. So it's nice.

I like it. Yeah, man, let's, let's overreact a little bit. Like, we have to have some tact with it. We had to not do too much, not buy into too many slow starts or people having out of body shooting, like hot shooting. But it's fun to overreact a little bit and see like how the changing of the guard goes. Yeah, exactly. I think we can all agree that throughout the first 25. 27 games that we have these players at right now,

this list probably won't be the same game 70, game 80. So this is just based off of like you said right now and who we really know these players are known to be throughout their entire of their career. Yeah, man, we're going to get into it. We're going to do a little Christmas festivities before we get started, do our top 30 rankings, do TikTok time, the usual. But before we get into that, if you're watching YouTube,

do us a favor, drop a like and subscribe, help the show grow. If you're on Spotify, leave us five stars, leave a review. Watch the video on Spotify now. We're really growing there real fast. I checked yesterday. We were number 13 in sports podcast in the U.S. and 12 in Australia. For some reason, we're bigger in Australia on Spotify.

I don't know why. Good a to all the mates. Shout out to y'all. Shout out to the roots. Carrier and Ben Simmons, kangaroos. Patty Mills. Let's do all the stereotypes. Blooming onions.

Yeah, man, let's jump straight into the episode. Let's go. Cranium is crazy Oh my God Merry Christmas family Happy holiday From the Philadelphia 7th century Crayon eaters

Rejoice Before we get into the main episode We've got a little gifts to give about We get a little Christmas festivities As we always do on this show Mo I think you have stuff too right Yeah I got some gifts This guy doesn't

This free letter doesn't got shit First of all I told y'all weeks ago I'm not getting you anything y'all i told you weeks ago that i wasn't going to do anything so it's not on me and you guys shouldn't be surprised when i'm just a man of my word that's all i am yeah i know each and every one of at home have one of these friends i had to say today i found out that donvin was one of those friends i told you guys uh listen honestly i have become so kind of like anti just like gift given as a as a whole i've told many people in my life i'm not going to buy you

like greeting cards I'm done with like greeting cards birthday cards all of that I don't do that and I don't believe in kind gestures no I don't and we're done with love not not in the form of a car it's a waste of a dollar 29 yeah I think hard to but I got some gifts going on we'll start with Donovan we'll start with the guy who doesn't deserve it but we'll give him his stuff first first gift let's I'll do my and you all yours here you go don't I'm giving that also I know these gifts are going to be foolish so no Go ahead open that one Let's see

Let's see what Donovan got first You got me a little bag Oh you actually got me something Oh my gosh Oh shit wow This is actually hard No I can do for me Because I thought these were gagging

I thought that's what we were doing This is actually hard This is actually hard Pilate listeners It is a green corduroy Yankees hat Oh this is actually hard Just yesterday on the stream TG 3 Tuesdays 8 p

Eastern times happened or 6 p.m. Easter times happened. Donovan was going to for bat saying that the Yankees have the best logo in all of sports. It is. It's the best it's the best it's the best logo in all the sports. And now you got it. We're not done it though. We got you a few more. We got you this. Oh, this this. We got one more first in my hands. All right. Why you got them legit last year? What did you get in last year? Bullshit. I don't remember. We got him a vintage sweater. Before we start, he actually. was just telling me he fuck on my sweater and he wanted to steal it so this is actually this is oh thank you no I feel so bad I feel awful because this is hard and I'm definitely gonna wear this you would buy that actually yes I would that goes with your fit too right now and then we got one more this is one last name passed it over to him wow bro he actually spoiled your ass oh my one more thing the best give of them all I think the best give of them all I think I think this is the one that we really come here for

for your audio listeners it's a booklet of some sort a photo booklet once you show the camera says Merry Christmas on the front show your solo camera here okay first page you don't got nothing

then we open it up it's a book of the best pictures of you over the years saw my lookalikes this is terrible we have AJ Dylan we have we have Kenji Lamar with the hat on

Chubs who's me this is cliff paul mckell bridges this is norm powell robert ory that's what is hilarious just reminds you like where you come from the many faces of don't do this is so stupid all you look over the years no that's hilarious though i think my three favorites are chubs yeah chubs chubs is crazy i think chubs cliff paul because our our friend he's one of our friends from from college, Benny, he's called me Cliff Paul since the moment that that commercial.

They called you new Chris Paul. Yeah. And so that's been my name for like years now. And then Robert Rory. I, people, honestly, we went to the museum one time. And on the way there, two different people stopped me and told me I look like McKell Bridges. I don't, I don't necessarily see it.

But I have, I don't see that. But like in the wild, that's the one that I do get the most. And then, uh, yeah, here's most. What fuck is this? Yeah, that's some shit. Do me some. Be grateful for you. got anything. God damn. Your packages, your writing was better than mine. We're grateful you

got anything. I don't know what this means. Audio listeners, this says creeper and has that Minecraft. What is the context of this? This is a disgusting allegation against me and I do not sign up for this. This is being left in Chicago. I'm leaving this at the O'Hare Airport. I swear to God, any of you TD3 crown eaters or audio listeners listening, if you find this, go ahead and tag me on Twitter. I feel like I did a good job personalizing the gifts to both of you. I think it's obviously. So how does this relate to me?

I'm kidding. That's not your main gift. You have one more. You have a real gift with some real wrapping paper. I'm just fucking with you. Good God. It's real. It's real.

I'm not going to give you a creeper hat. It's obviously not. What are you trying to let society know about me, man? I'm just, I'm doing what I can. Okay. You got a real gift. Some wrapping paper in there. I want Amazon prime.

You guys some stuff. all right I thought we were for real again I see what audio listeners you gotta just watch this for yourself I'm not gonna say this what does this mean

what are you trying to let society know about me how does this represent me just do what I can to be a good friend you can give Donovan fire assed yank this hat a fire ass hoodie all I'm hearing is ungrateful bitching what are we talking about

and I get two disgusting hats I get creeper and cock What does I have to do with me? I thought I did a good job. This is tough. I thought I was on my Santa Claus shit. No, you're not going to steal it. You're not going to steal it.

No, I know you. You don't know me? You do know me. I'm playing my role of Santa Claus. Okay, where's my real gift? That's your real gift. You're holding it. Do you not see the wrapping paper?

Yeah, that's kind of this. This is the worst Christmas of all time. Grow up. This is the worst Christmas of all time, literally. All right. Are you serious? Do you see any more gifts in front of me? Oh my God

You'll be facing You too You'll be facing a disgusting Wait hold on Maybe I'll one more Okay I'm telling you I didn't do anything But like I said

I will I might have to prime me guys Dude I was about to put on my best David Stern impression right now And give you guys The heaviest TD3 suspension You guys remember Nikiel Mm-hmm

People saying that that man is a legend People don't believe if he's real I know people I will handle it and get it There you go what is this for for your sniffly ass nose every episode people comment

damn mo needs a blow his goddamn nose I'm hearing all these sniffles I'm helping you I'm bringing you utility to your life okay the you have to fight them you gotta blow that fucking nose

you have to fight them you know this right here I'll actually take home with me but on a spite I'm never blowing my nose again in fact I'm spending lugies now and this is not only your fault

you're not spiting me you're spying the fans who have to hear you every two seconds wow This is, like, actually the worst. I don't even celebrate Christmas, and this is, like, the worst Christmas I've ever experienced in my entire life.

You know that? It's a pretty good one. TD-3 finds. We'll be handed. I'm wearing these on the next two days. Speaking of handy. We'll see me. Yes, sir?

I have your gifts right here. Staples connect. Okay. Yes, sir. All right. I'm going to hand these both to you guys. Okay. And I want to you.

guys to close your eyes and reveal it to the camera at first okay okay my eyes are closed hand is out eyes are closed okay okay to the camera first yeah real to the camera close I'm hoping I can hold this right and there you go you're holding it perfectly okay is it upside down is it upside down nope it's actually not all right okay show each other and open your eyes oh my god It looks like John Travolta. You see John Travolta in recent movies? It's bald asses.

I like this. I like this picture. I actually look nice on like your set or it's just like you leaving around a house somewhere. It's great decor if you ask me. You know what's funny? What? Stupid ass put this in upside down. Is it upside?

Yeah. In the frame, if I try to put the stand up, it's upside down. Yeah, that was last minute. Regardless, you know how frames work, I guess. So flip it around. Wow. well this is a travesty this is everything i don't want to believe is real in this life the reality that i don't want to live towards 15 20 years old 15 years you're giving me no

we've already discussed this though we're never getting to that point if god forbid if our headlines ever start receiving we will make a pack and let's make it here we're taking the flight to turkey oh we're having a we're going over there this is humpty dumpty our flights are already booked are you coming with oh i've already booked it like i i said it for 25 years i gave myself more credit and you gave me but i yeah i got that pre-checking already i got a book for what what year is that i said it for like 2042 or something oh okay yeah i'm ready i'll just my flight to you it's okay yeah yeah anyways go fuck yourself this is terrible i want nothing to do with this ever i'm gonna break that with hammers and what a td3 christmas wow who this is terrible last year's

much better at least last year you gave me things that were actually useful but you gave me Cooper, Cock, and Kleenex. I was never giving you anything ever again, because you were the most ungrateful motherfucker ever met my life. He's giving you nothing. And you want to give him something again? That's not true.

I got him something last year. What did you give him? I don't know. Nothing. I think I did. And with that being said, let's rank the top 30 players in the NBA right now.

Let's do it. Off top. I disqualified. I'll give you guys the rules for how I view this list. Okay. it is not just this year strictly it's not who's playing the best this year it's really I only looked at from the start of last year through this year but I had some I use context obviously I'm not going to be an idiot about it if somebody is having the worst shooting some of their career I'm not going to just say oh they're terrible forever but I also move people based in performance this year I didn't fully ignore it and I disqualify completely Joelle and Bede and Zion Williamson yeah I do not know how good Joelle and Bid is anymore this seems like it's a chronic injury that's not going to go away so it's to the point where I I can't just assume he is who he is last year.

And he's played so little this year with like rust and minute's restrictions that I just can't tell at all how good he is. So I didn't rank him. Yeah, that's her. I didn't rank Joe and beat either. He did play like five, seven games so far this year. Yeah. And he's looked, it's like a hit or miss every single one of those games. And it's just so hard to gauge how good he is.

Like if he came out swinging through these five, seven games, and yeah, I'm going to rank him because he looks exactly the same as last year. But because of these continuous nagging injuries and also, like all these are the players ascending as well as I'm just going to give him credit by not ranking him at all if I was to rank him it would be disrespectful I'd rather not do that yeah I legit don't know I could see a world where he's never the same or maybe it's overreaction he goes back looking like a top six player again I just can't tell right now so I'd rather not even like I could throw him at 18 I guess or some random bullshit but I just omitted him yeah he's on my list oh my god okay he is you're not passing up an opportunity no no but I I didn't feel the need to exclude him just because there are other guys on my list who have been hurt for a majority of this year for like a big stretch and they like they were playing well so we're going to give them the credit to you know to be on the list but at the same time like just because just because like Embed or Zion played whatever amount of games and didn't look well like when they come back healthy they there is still like a certain level of expectation that you have for them so I still like

I gave the grace to the guys who did play well and are hurt so I So I, so I played with basically a whole entire cast around his way. Yeah, he's a very specific case because his injuries, like, it's not just a normal he missed time. Like, Palo Van Caro or Franz Wagner, they played and went out. We're going to rank them because we kind of understood what we saw before they got hurt. Juelan Bede is dealing with such a clearly big case of like a bunch of injuries. He said he's not even hurt and his knees flaring up. Like this could be like the end of his prime.

So because of that, he's like, he's a very special case to me of an injured guy. And that's fair. Listen, we'll talk more about Joelle whenever we get to, like, wherever I put him on the list. I probably put him at 30. He's not a 30. He's not 30. Oh, I forgot to put this slide in the slideshow. But we have, before we get started, we have honorable mentions, our first three cuts.

Cool. Which, no, let me go ahead and just put that on the slideshow right now real quick. You guys can say, who are your first three cuts, all right? So I can go first. My first three cuts, honorable mentioned, Scotty Barnes. He was feasting when he came back, started off still way earlier in the season. but he's someone who genuinely if he was healthy he would easily be like probably somewhere in the top 20 highest 17 18 range who knows anyways next honorable cut i got sabonis i just have

a very specific i just when it comes to someone like sabonis i feel like you have to have a super specific team tear towards him and that's just not that's just not like attainable for most teams in the NBA and then i have past goshacian he's ever you agree season but the team sucks and is just like putting some bonus this low awesome i feel like i'm the biggest subonist hater on the goddamn internet at this point yeah subonis made my list he's not getting cut my first cuts were jaron jackson darius garland and evan mowgli i feel disgusting about leaving these guys off it does not feel good to me whatsoever especially jaron i want to put my list so bad all three them are good on three top 30 i for my last six spots i had seven guys so i had to

cut these guys and i had to cut rudy gobert don't feel good about it at all If you're a fan of these guys and you're going to come in here and yell at me and say, why aren't they top 30? Why aren't they better than so and so? You can have it. Yeah. You're right. Yeah.

I can understand cutting some like Daris Garland. Even I was like struggling with putting him on my honorable mentions list, but I just felt like, you know, the guys are more like standoff. Donovan, I see I accidentally put my cuts for yours. Yeah. Who are your cuts? My cuts. Scottie Barnes.

Okay. Bam out of bio. Kari. Bam out of bio. Okay. So you are reacting to this year. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Very, very much so. I think that bam. the offense has been scary um just because for the heat like for tallah hero to go and be like the best offensive player for the heat this year and for them to have every incentive and they have asked so much for bam year and year out to continue to continuously develop his offensive game and in the past it's taking steps forward this year it's not even like he just like can't do so he's just not hitting shots and so you can look at that and be like okay like that's fine but also the the normal

bam shot selection and shots that are going in that's also not going in it's not only i'm trying something new and the new stuff isn't going in everything is not working for him layups aren't going in short middies are not going in that whole thing so i'm looking at miami and they're in a very weird position they're about to trade jimmy a lot of that is also because bam hasn't played up to his expectations so yeah i'm i'm very like kind of nervous and i look at the you know preview i look at the preview to what we're going to do in the summer whenever we rank the centers and last year we had bam at like four and we all knew that you know some of the younger guys were going to come in and probably take his spot i'm looking at that list i'm like how is like is bam going to

fall behind ex player here x player there so it's kind of i'm very nervous i lower bam a good bit too not this much he's on my list still just because i'm giving him credit from last year still. I don't think he completely fell off and isn't good for a good defender. But he isn't just shooting cold. He is, okay, so I'm going to have players in his list that are shooting terribly this year, but I leave him where they are because I think it's just a cold stretch that we don't need to read too much into. We need to read into Bamato Bio's offense. It's a complete change in desire of where he wants to take shots, aggressing his corner to the rim, a desire to be this mid-range guy, to be Lamarcus Aldridge on floaters and all this stuff that makes me think

he's a less valuable offensive player. Even when those shots start to fall a little more, which they definitely will, I don't think he has the same value he once had offensively when he was really killing it as a lob threat. Yeah, and that's why he didn't make my list this year. He wants to be in Marcus Alder's,

that's never been his bag. Oh, he's not on your list either? No, he's not on your first cuts? No, he's not even on my first cuts. I wanted to put him there, but I was like, it's okay to not be top 30 on my list this year. You can be top 30 next year.

You were top 30 the year before that. That's absolutely fine. Players have their highs and their lows and they there's never it's hard to have strength levels of consistency when you're uh he's in his prime he's not young anymore but when you're in your prime and you're making such a drastic shift into your game you're going to figure out yeah this is not my thing and you go back to just simply put the ball in room as close as possible no that makes sense like top 30 is a hard bar to clear people are going to see this and see that player if your player isn't here and like what the

fuck why isn't he top 30 top 30 is tough there's 45 all-star level players in the NBA right know. Like, Tyree's Halliburton is in here. James Hardin isn't here. Uh, Rudy Gobert is in here. Like, there's a lot of guys who are very capable of being that any given year, but 30 is just a hard mark. So if you want to do that to Bam, go for it. He's on my list, but I understand. Yeah. So, so, so yeah, Scotty, Bam, Kyrie. Kyrie's insane that you cut Kyrie, but we know it's a first cut. I mean, he's right there. Kyrie not being top 30 is crazy. Wow. Yeah, that's kind of nasty. We'll see who you have above them though we'll talk about your kair you hate once we get to the next part of the list okay we

start number 25 through 30 i mean 26 i'm up first at 30 i have scotty barns at 20 i have franz wagner at 28 i got bam out of bio at 27 i got jimmy butler and at 26 i got jeline jubb williams wow how do y'all feel okay so something that sort like stakes out like a sort them to me for all you guys listening right now and watching right now if there's one thing you know about Isaac, outside of, you know, LeBron Glaze and Yolkitch Glaze, he absolutely loves himself the Oklahoma City Thunder.

I do. Specifically, one of the guys that he absolutely loves on the Thunder is J-Dub. Correct. To have him, 26, it's kind of shocking. I have him higher. You think 26? I thought I was, I think putting him in the top 30s being generous. I feel like I'm, I thought I was glazing putting him on here. I have Jeter Pires. Oh, apparently, I'm

not the biggest glazier here. You guys are gawking it. That's nuts. I mean, listen, he hasn't been, okay, he's top 30. because I think he not only has the offensive prowess that we've known him to have last year, right? He's an incredible shooter. He has great touch. He can pass a little bit, has his length,

he can finish at the rim, all those things that we expect from him. But defensively this year, he has blown my goddamn mind. Yes. He was starting at the center when Chet was hurt. Teams were shooting 53% against him under the rim. That is insanely low.

He uses his length. He has, my low-key, maybe the best hands in the NBA from a wing. His playmaking ability, using his length in the passing lanes, ripping people down low. You saw that last night playing with him playing Yonnes. He was one-on-one with Yon-it Jadis is trying to go one-on-one.

Jadap's like, nah, I get that. Like he's 6-5, but he has good room protection because when people are downloaded gathering to go up, swats it out of their hands. Like he has pickpocket on Hall of Fame. He leads a league from his position in deflections, in steals for 48, all that stuff. I think he's a better defender than he is offensive player. I think he's insanely valuable. He is a true Swiss Army knife.

He's low-key like Jason Tatum defensively and how virtual he is and what he brings to your ability to extend different types of matchups and play different types of schemes. But we also saw yesterday in big games when he places playoff level defenses that really hone in on him,

his shot making kind of disappears. He kind of so far looks like you can, if you focus on him and don't give him any easy stuff in transition on cuts and really make him beat you off the dribble, the first step isn't great, the handle isn't tight.

He kind of shrinks a little bit offensively at times. It's not his fault. Okay, so we are, respecting the Embers NBA Cup. We are. And especially especially like the final four, the semifinals and the

finals game. These are legitimate high level basketball games, high intensity games. And they do resemble playoff games. And so for one night, for two, you can see a, like a preview of what the playoffs would look like. However,

I still want to give Jada the benefit of the doubt once we get to actual playoff time. Right. If we can get a full series of this knowing what happened last year against the mavericks him having an opportunity to go him having an opportunity to go through the entire year and then have this opponent and have seven games to figure them out do all that stuff i want to see that before i start saying 100% yeah he starts to shrink in these big games yeah and my point isn't even i'm not calling him a choker

i'm just saying that i think 26 is plenty high i don't feel like i'm putting him low but you know he's an incredibly versatile defender he's one of the better pruner defenders in the NBA, I think, with all his value. And he's an extremely good complimentary player, but he's a complimentary offensive player. He needs to be there. Chet needs to be there, so we have a little more of the hierarchy there

where J-Dub can be less relied upon. He needs that five-out spacing. He needs to be able to play off of two stars, not just one, and not be forced to be a big creator. Because that's not the game. He's an incredible off-ball player and just needs to be in that role.

And I think some of the guys above him just bring a little more offensively. And maybe if we see him have a strong playoff run, I'll put him higher. Like, I think he's one of the best. better two-way players in the league. I just didn't want to do too much too fast when some of the guys above him

really carry a team more. Didn't want to do too much too fast. Okay. I think that's okay. With that foul process, I'm not crucifying you whatsoever. Again, I feel like this is high. How high do y'all have?

I'm like 26. That's pretty good for a non-all-star, third best player on his team. Not an all-star. You can't say that in two months from now. Sure, he'll probably make it. But like, he's not, I say that to say he's not stamped.

It's not like, I don't think most people view him as like a top 25 player. that's yeah you're right but that's because of like reasons outside of basketball in my mind okay yeah again i'm not mad at you i just feel i thought i was already doing a lot so i'm interested to see where you guys have okay how do you feel about the rest of this um i mean i'll say this jimmy butler's not on my list jimmy buller is clearly very capable of being great player that he just had the game against the pistons where he had a 30 point triple double and was in his bag they lost a game they lost the game he had 35 19 rebounds and

tennis is. Yeah, he was incredible. Yeah. The problem is he doesn't want to do that consistently and he's clearly phoning it in, saving his energy for a playoff run. That's hard to gauge the value of that when you know someone is extremely capable of being a top 13, 14, 15 player in the league when they really assert themselves, but they don't do it with any form of consistency, which makes him less valuable. That's why for a playoff series, I think he'd be like 15.

But he's down to 27. He could fall the top 30. I wouldn't be mad at all if you put Jaron in there and not Butler because the consistency he isn't there. But we have to really prioritize playoffs that does matter as much as I preach it's not everything. We know what Jimmy can do to some extent. He's a very special case that we know this isn't just a normal 19 point guy. Yeah, but we've said for years now, this is, this has been a theme for the last three, four years of Jimmy and the regular season is just going to coast. Yeah, and it's like how much. And even like when he's there, he's coasting. We've also seen Jimmy

miss a lot of games due to injury. And so there is also a level of him just not being available. True. That is a good point. And so I, for me, I can't look at you and say, I can't like 100% rely on you to be there every single night. And then on the other hand, when you are here, are you going to be able to give me max, you know, max production and the things that I'm expecting from you until the playoffs. And we saw last year, like the heat were in a slump towards the end of the year.

we saw the famous clip of him saying like okay it's about that time and the heat never really went on that run because it's very hard to turn and flip a switch in march after you've played a certain way and get yourself into that it's also though i also on my list i think about the team context these players are in and i don't not to say i give them like a pass for maybe the situation not being perfect sick ass but uh i also think about who they'd be in other situations and better situations for them. Jimmy Butler shouldn't be the best player on his team. He shouldn't be the lead ball handle anymore. But if he were traded to say the Warriors and he was put in the role J-dub is in, he can do very similar things to J-dub where he focuses on the defensive versatility, uses a little more energy there because he's not asked to be the main creator and can do that. He plays off ball. He focuses on cutting. He does more screen setting. He does all the short roll passing that they could do in the warrior system. He does the playmaking stuff. And then late game, maybe he gets into more of the back stuff he can do.

Butler should be in a better situation from at this point of his career. And I know that I know what I do. I think about it like if I was making a team with this guy and I could put them in what I think is the best situation, how valuable would they be? And I think you could get a lot more to Jimmy Butler in a different organization. In theory, you are correct. Jimmy Butler is also 35

year old. Yeah. And listen, by this time next year he might be off. You know, so I I think the idea of Jimmy Butler right now is slightly outweighing what we are actually getting on a night and a night out basis for Jimmy. And that's why And that's why he's not on my list.

Yeah, it's very fair. It's very fair. Like most guys, I wouldn't put him on this list with the regular season production he's giving. I just feel like Jimmy is a very special case where we know he's like overtly not trying but is capable of more. So I'm not mad at it. Yeah, I agree.

He is the only guy in my mind. I like how you gave Jimmy Buller that type of grace. I don't like how you gave Bam out of bio that type of grace because there's a lot of centers in my mind who've been outperformed and outrown like their overall expectations. Like it's not crazy for me to say. Yeah, Isaiah Harnstein's having a better season than BAM out of bio. I mean, again,

that's not insane to say what you are. FAM is still a great, great defender. So I am always going to give credit to good defenders on this list. There's nothing more important in the NBA from a single position than having a strong defensive center. If you're making, if you're doing the hierarchy

of what you need to be a good defense, rim protection is maybe number one. Really, to win basketball games. You have to have a good defense, obviously. And rim protection is more important to a defense than anything is to an offense from a single skill point. it's incredibly important so I'm always going to elevate elite room protectors

and bad amount of bio is that so I can understand that line of thinking but at the end of the day like adding more context of the conversation what he is asked and expected to do mucking up the like one other side of the floor while also like his slow start and change of play has affected jimmy butler in certain ways so it's like okay well fuck so not comparing these two at all but similar to like how lebron james trying to pass off the torch to anthony davis which that's successfully been done in certain ways you expect bam out of bio to have the torch handed to him by jimmy beller and that just hasn't been the case whatsoever that's okay i i agree with you i do think that even a couple years ago even when ban was making strides forward i think it was still very clear

like bam is never going to be number one offensive option on a team and if you put put him in that position, that's either bad team building or it's just a delusional idea of what you think that he can be offensively. So I kind of put that, put more blame on the heat in that situation rather than on Bam Atabio. But I mean, I'm with you. Like he's still my first cut. But yeah, like 28's fine for me for Ben.

Because, you know, like I had him like five spots lower. If you want to do that, that's okay. Let's move on. Let's show you guys because we're getting held up on one. Let's reveal you next person. Mo, who do you got 30 to 26? All right. So number 30, I have Jimmy Butler.

29. I had to have Evan Movey. 28, Tyrese Maxie, 27, Franz Wagner. In 26, I got Jaron Jackson, Jr. I feel like a lot of people underrate Jaron Jackson Jr. And the strides offensively and the responsibility, there was like the outside tools. The type of like offensive he's carrying now hasn't been available to him

throughout the entirety of his career. And he learned and gained all those chops. due to last year when everyone else was out and he was playing with the most random NBA players so although like his efficiency isn't stellar it's never going to be stellar It is stellar right now though Well when I think about it I'm talking about like it's three point

efficiency he's a 62% true shooting right now He is efficient as hell I want to put him top 30 really bad so I'm not mad at you Yeah Seeing his growth overall Defensively we know what he is Okay yeah he may have been a little bit of a Overrated defender but nonetheless

He's still one of the best defenders at his position and like a few similar things to what you said in terms of like defense being the most viable thing specifically rim defense being the most valuable thing on any given case lunges him up to tony six now i did want to redact him a lot because like he don't get rebounds like at all it's weird he's a big wing he's a small forward really i think he's averaging like six rebounds the game yeah that's ridiculous and i don't so he's a very good defender i don't think he's a like he's not a rim protect you like bam out of bi or like chet homegrin he's not really he's not anchoring your defense being a drop defender and pick and roll in that traditional sense he's an incredibly versatile swiss

army knife that helps you defensively because you can he's incredibly mobile he can guard big wings he can guard centers if he needs to and he gives you crazy line of versatility but i don't give him the same boost i give like a chad homegrin or something like that just because he's not that type of locked down rim defender yeah he's a hall of fame romer like yeah very important but it's a little different yeah you're not you're not putting jaron on a team that automatically that that team is gonna be a top team exactly you know the way that the other but outside outside of that maxi didn't make my list me neither um but that's where you know but i get it yeah i understand it everything else is is fine you guys have fronds in this um in this range yeah well let's see yours do you know

what fronds here no i don't okay well why is that you have him hired a little bit yeah okay well we'll talk about when we get there so So, but my, my 26 through 30. So at 30, I have Derek White. Oh, shit. At 29, I have Evan Mobley, 28, I have singling. 27, I have Subonis. And at 26, I have Towns.

This is a fucking, this is a dog shit here. This is so different. This is crazy. I told, so listen, I told you guys. Your first cut was Kyrie Irving and Derek White, is your number 30? I told you guys last year, I, if I am building a team and I already have my star, I'd rather have Derek White I think with Derek White

I think I think For first of all We've seen this in the past So let's not Not too much Mr. Walker Okay

Not too much Which mean Walker Jarris Hey Jarous Walker Exactly exactly He just need his opportunity 12 minutes a game Whatever Derek

Derek White Jalen Green Derek White has shot 40% from three or 39% last year he's shooting 40% from three this year he's averaging his he's averaging 17 points per game his offensive game continues to grow he still is one of the best perimeter defenders in in the league his playmaking continues to grow I think that Derek White in terms of being like an impact player in winning games obviously there's a weird like scale that you have to grade everybody on the Celtics on because the whole team is op so everybody does look better i do understand that but derrick white is the definition of

a winning basketball player and everything that he does is fantastic i think that with his i think with his growth and which is like quietly gone like under the radar in terms of his offense with with that and that continuing to be better and better i really really want derrick white on my team if i'm trying to win games i appreciate that he's amazing for his role he's the best you could possibly get from a non-star in that way. But there's like 40 all-star level guys here. And I don't see you putting Derek Y'all in your All-Star ballot. So I think there's a difference in-

The All-Star ballot has to come out yet. All-Star Ballet has to come out yet. But there's a difference between how much you'd want him and his role versus how valuable they are overall because there's much more important roles that there's guys that fit there. Like, I'm assuming you don't have Scotty Barnes in this list. I would much rather have Scotty Barnes. Kyrie Irving, duh, I'd rather have Kyrie Irving.

Who are your other first guys? Bam. Yeah. I guess I don't hate that. But Derek White, yeah, Derek White over Bam is okay. In my mind, like, when it comes to, like, your argument versus Kyrie Irving versus Derek White, I think it's misguided a little bit. A player who's better suits that argument is maybe someone like Daris Garland who's

proven, like, to struggle against, like, size and stuff like that on a consistent basis whenever he's deep into the playoffs or just faces against the Boston Celtics or Oklahoma City Thunder. I can understand that because the tradeoff might not be worth it because players, like Darius Garland just doesn't have enough advantages that motherfucker Kyrie Irving has at that size the most possibly some of the most advantages you've seen of all time so I don't I don't like that placement whatsoever question yeah you swap right now Derek White Carrey Irving the maps get better or worse worse because they lose a creator

they lose someone who has been to hold defense bro but then again maybe the cat maybe the Celtics are better at Derek White because they have two other stars and they don't need a lot from that guy so it's very team to team yeah the the mabs need a second creator they're bad next to luca there's no other guys i can dribble besides those two they'd be much worse with derrick white you put yeah like it derrick white he's more versatile in terms of like he doesn't need the ball in his hands of god he's an amazing off ball player yeah but kairri irving applies the same thing you just rather him have the ball more than not i'd rather i think that what derog white does with again his defense is his shooting his is whatever you know playmaking that

that you think that he has, I think having that on high-level teams is very, very important, and it's very valuable. And so that's why I would, he's in my top 30. Like, Derek White is amazing. It's hilarious.

I just noticed you put all the, you just like, when you start off this list, you're like, let's get these bigs out of here. Townsabodus, no. Also,

Sangun is not as good as a bonus. Didn't be, I, Sangun is very good. He's having a good season. He might be an all-star because the Rockets might get the two-seed, and when you're that good of a team,

usually you get a representative I don't think he's playing at a top 30 level his numbers are down across the board his defense is better but his scoring numbers haven't been good

he looks a little too passive he looks like he has confidence issues as a score so Sangoon is not on your list no he's not on my list either he's right he's right maybe top 40

but top 30 28's kind of he's right that I really like I think that for Houston for them really not to have any other like standout offensive players

and in Sangoon be like the guy offensively for his defense to take a slight step forward. Yeah, he's a good defense. Yeah. You know, I kind of wanted to reward him for that. But he's in the same tier when I put these rankings together.

For Towns Sabonis and Sangoon, it's all of these very, very skilled offensive bigs who can go out and run your offense. They can get you buckets on any given night. Sobonis, his playmaking is obviously a tier above Sangoon and Towns. But they all have that face. a flaw of you're a five but you can't really defend like that and so if you are either my one or my two or if you're just on the floor everything around you has to be so perfect for the defense to be good that it makes it very very hard yeah i like that you know and that's what that's why

everything around sangoon is perfect they're not winning because of offense i don't they're not winning because sangoon is carrying this offensive load putting the team on his back like their offense sucks they're winning because their defense is bad shit crazy because they have two very good defensive fours in Jabari Smith and Tar Isson who can do a lot down low to hide Sengoon and help him with his size and then they have freaks of nature like a men Thompson guarding on the perimeter Dylan Brooks has been fantastic that I can still defend like he has the perfect defensive infrastructure to allow him to look a little better because he's not asked to do quite as much offensively I don't I don't you know what this is measuring better in every way this but this

having Sanguon is really that's that's my most like all-starish pick where it's like you get your representative. Yeah. And like in a vacuum, yeah, like I probably want Evan Mowbly over singly. You know, like, but I, I do. I didn't have to say one, I didn't like Kairri Irving by like five spots. Come on. Come on.

You're not, you know, you're not true. You don't believe that. No, that's what I'm saying. It's, it's, it's more of their like, this is, this is, this is, politics is what I'm literally politics. This is your representative. Yeah. This is who you get.

The Rockets have earned a top 30 player. I, what happened to the TV three I used to love, bro. Oh my. What about the players earning it the right way? Exactly. They get one. Fine. I like all what you said about Sengun.

All those things that you said about Sengun in terms of like, yeah, this player is traditionally not a great defender and everything else, everything else around him has to be perfect. That was Carthin Towns last year for the Minnesota Timbles. And I believe what sets him apart between Sengun and Sibonis is that he offensively, yeah, he may not be the hubs that's a bonus in Sengun are. But he's generally one of the best shooters in the NBA. For Kat? Yeah, in general.

And I think he's the easiest to build around in terms of winning basketball compared to someone like Sabonis and Sugoon who have deficiencies when it comes to shooting as well. So you can't play defense and you can't shoot. It's tough. Yes, that is true. But for the Knicks to be in the position that they are at right now, which is still like, just, you know, they're fine. They're in the upper echelon of a week Eastern Conference, whatever.

They have to have one of like the four best offenses in the league every single night for them to win games. you have to have an offensive rating of like 120 for you guys to be successful and so having that is an issue it's a it's a problem yeah i agree i think i have them a little bit higher than you just i give them a slightly more credit but i simply do not ever want to build around a five that can't play defense at a high level it's just like you want a point guard that's a high level passer or a wing that's a high level defender you need to have room protection otherwise you're fighting an uphill battle and it's almost impossible to win a title can you name a single title team in the last However many years that won without good rim protection? No, it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. The Bucks had Janice and Brooke Lopez, amazing duo. The Lakers, obviously, AD, and they played it big.

The Celtics got Chris Oswryzingis and went sick of mode and became unbeatable because of that. Even when you think about the Warriors. Draymond Green. Exactly. In 22, you think about them as like a small team that runs up and out. They were locking up at the ring. So it just, yeah, it doesn't happen. Even the Celtics, like Chris Hosperzingis, I believe he missed the majority of the playoff for him.

He didn't come back. Yeah, well, he, not majority, but he missed a good amount. He missed the answer. Yeah, and even then, like, they fucking, the Boston Stelch's game plans to swamp time bomb you every single time that you go in the pain, whether it would be Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, Derek White, or Drew Halliday. They just have tops up shot blocking all over the place. And the only team I won a title without an elite center is the Nuggets because they have the greatest offensive center in our goddamn lifetimes. So if Sabon's cat or Sanguon can do that, if they can be one of the five best offensive players that ever touch a basketball, then we're cooking. And then they're going to be the title race.

But you can't do that. It's very hard to rank you highly when you have such a, you're missing a very important part of being a center. And the year that the negative's one, Yokic was like passable. Yeah, yeah, he's not terrible. There's times where all three of these guys are negatives on defense. Especially good.

Yeah, they all present that too much, not too much. Okay, let's move on to the next year. We spent a hilarious amount of time on the bottom five, like we always do, 22 minutes. You know, it's what we do. Let's move on to the next year. From 21 through 25, there we go. Donovan, who you got?

At 20, we're sorry, at 25. At 25, I have Lamello, 24, I have Deeran, 23, I have Franz Wagner. At 22, I have Dan Lillard, and at 21, I have Trey. Wow, you are high on Franz. Okay. I told y'all last year. You have Dame at 22?

Was I nervous? Hold on, we're going to stick on Franz would quick. Okay. Was I nervous that Franz a shot would never come back? Yes, I was. However, throughout the off season, I was like, you know what? It's fine. There's no way that a guy who has shot this percentage for his career is going to immediately fall off a cliff and shoot 30% for the rest of his career.

Even if it doesn't get back to like 38, 39, he can get to 35, 36 and they'll be fine. Franz is back up there. Palo's hurt. Franz is out here. Who being capital H, the shot is back, the creation is back, the defense is there. And he is, him and Palo, when they are healthy, are going to be one of the best wing duels in the NBA. For sure. And if Franz, he's not going to average 27 a night when Paolo's there. We'll see. But if Franz is giving you 24, 5, and 5 with good defense, you want to talk about value.

You want to talk about being able to carry a team, especially with their offensive profile. Franz Wagner deserved, he was going to be an all-star. He deserves to be that high. he is insanely good and for a team with not a real point guard and palo not being like a true point forward he is one of the most key playmaking pieces on their team he does everything that they need he does all the all the little stuff and all the quiet stuff he's just not you know 610 drop 50 whatever he's he's still that guy I would have put him higher I just he's one of the guys that I just want to give it time because the sample size is so small we saw the first the season started

he didn't look as amazing palo went to down and he became first option fronds and was incredible i want to see him do that for longer because he got hurt or i want to see him be able to thrive next to palo bankero because we need to see him have the ability to play off ball and them thrive together which three point shot is better it's down to 33% because he started to miss some games but it's a small sample size it's going to swing a lot but his ability as a first option is legit he can be your lead ball handling wing you mentioned all that stuff you said which is all correct great playmaker he's a walking mismatch with that size and quickness he's also fucking fantastic defensively.

He is a legit, very good wing defender. His size is crazy. They will be amazing in there together, but I'm just giving me a little bit of time to see him be able to thrive in both the first option role and second option next to Palo. He's a level of player

that it's great what he can do when he has a ball in his hands but he's not so good that they should like he shouldn't be the first option on the team. He needs to have the ability to thrive next to another star. That's very important for a player of his level. And I just want to see that for 20 games

and then I'll push him up higher with you. At 20, and that's why, like, at 23, Franz Wagner is, you know, low-love all-star. Yeah. Right. He's in that range for me where in the Eastern Conference, again, if he was healthy, certainly, like, lock for an all-star year and year out because of how weak it is. But even if you go across the league, he is, I think you could put him on a lot of other teams and his style of play would still work.

He would still be able to be effective on a lot of different teams, high-level teams. that have championship aspirations. So I think whether it would be the fit in Orlando, the fit across the league, the thing that he is really good at. All I need is for the three-point shot to not be at 29%. And everything else he does is really good.

I'm happy with this because you're just calling your shot that you believe he is this good. He's going to stick. I'm with you. I just was a baby about it. And I was like, let me prove it first so I don't go crazy. I have like flashbacks to last year

when Scottie Barnes started so amazingly. I put him at 21. Yeah. Which was fair because he was a goon because his three-point shot was insane, but then Siakum and Oji got traded, he became first option, and he kind of shrunk a little bit.

And I just have flashbacks now where I feel like I learn, like, don't overreact too much to hot shooting and people that are playing out of their minds. Not to say, I mean, I still at Scotty at 30, so he's still like great,

but the shooting hasn't gone back to that level. I just, I don't want to do that again with Franz, but I do fully believe that he is this all-side-level player. I'm all in. I'm going to Disney World. Like, I'm there, you know? Okay, that's fair to believe.

I feel like Darren Fox is kind of low on your list Darren Fox is low Do you have a run of point guards here 45 or point guards Again let's get these point guards out of here Yeah Deerans Where do you

Do you guys have Deeran in a different tier than this? Yeah Yeah let's reveal the next one We'll talk about all these point guards Let's see who we have here I have Trey Young at 21 Deerre I'm gonna go I forgot I got to go from the bottom

For the audio listeners my bad I have Kyrie Irving at 25 Carl Lenthen Towns at 24 DeMontas a bonus at 23 DeAren Fox at 22 and Trey Young at 21. Okay. Lamella ball is right around the corner.

So I'm with you. They're all kind of grouped together. Deerrin Fox is tough. When I was first making this list, I had Deer & Fox at like 16. I think Deeran Fox is really good. And I do think if you was on another team that in a different team content,

if you put him on the spurs next to Wembe and use his downhill speed with a stretch five, I think a smart coach could make a real contender with Deeran Fox. but I went back and I saw I had Tray Young at 21 and I said there has never been a year since Tray Young in which I ranked Deeran Fox above Trey Young. I would rather have Trey Young and Deeran Fox. And I looked at the other names above him and I was like, I want to give Deeran Fox credit. I think he's extremely good. He's had a way better scoring year than Trey Young. That's for goddamn sure.

But I'm like, I guess I'll transition this a little bit to talk about Trey Young and his weird season. His shooting splits are god awful. People are going to look at this, Kings fans especially. are going to look at Tray Young shooting sub 40% from the field and terrible from three. And they're going to be like, how motherfucking dare you rank him above our two stars? And I understand you. This gets back to the point that I'm not going to overreact

to a cold shooting stretch too much. For Bamadabio, I think he is a worst player right now because the way he's choosing to play his game and get his shots off has markedly changed. And I think it's for the worse. And the reason for his lack of efficiency are sustainable or someone like Jamal Murray

isn't touching our list anymore. because I think he lost the step. I think James Harden lost a step. These are things that aren't going to change. They're going to be inefficient for the foreseeable future. Trey Young is down 9% at the rim and like 12% on floaters

from the floater range. While the rest of his career, he was elite from Florida range. That's a difference because he's never going to be good at the rim. He needs to have a killer floater to really round out that shooting from the field. I don't think he forgot how to shoot floaters forever. I think that'll come back around.

This is just the cold stretch. So if I'm taking new account, count that he hasn't been as good this year and lowering him a little bit, but knowing that he isn't a different player, we can assume that he'll bounce back, I would still probably rather have him near in Fox. He's average, he stopped scoring well, and he just decided to instead be the best playmaker in the goddamn league and average 13 assists a game and just be throwing dimes, leading a good offense that's really thriving right now. I don't feel the need to lower him below Fox for the first time ever. Yeah, how do you feel about your light skin,

Scott? About your light skin star? I mean, I feel the same ways. I agree with Isaac 110 percent. With you guys both running him at 21, I'm not hooting in Holland at all, at all. Obviously, I have him a little bit higher. Tax when he comes to talk, when he comes to talking to me about Tray Young. But I will say, seeing, like, genuinely his playmaking and how he creates open looks for everyone on the court. And also, while all of his, like, scoring isn't as impactful this season, he still likes to let that bitch fly. And him being the threat, whether him being the throat that he is when it comes to how far he likes to shoot the ball or how he likes to penetrate the rim, maybe not, he may not like get the, get the ball in the rim actually. But whether he's just, he's just a force in general.

Yeah. Is so valuable and it opens up so many opportunities and so many universes for other players to be the best version of themselves offensively. Exactly. So I think that is so much more valuable. than what Darren Fox has been able to give us so far this season. Darren Fox's rim scoring is back up a little bit. Two years ago, when he was really at his peak, he was shooting 77% at the rim.

That's insane. That's better than LeBron James. He was a force. Last year it dropped to 66, and that's why he kind of had to fall off a little bit. This year is back to 70% at the rim, so he's getting that scoring back off again. But I think he's considered this downhill demon

that he uses his driving ability to do all this stuff. Nobody thinks about Trae Young in that way. But Tray Young is also incredible. I blow him by his man. and generating paint touches is I think what you were looking for but he does it to be a playmaker. You know, he's famous for

you watch a play of his, you don't know if there's going to be a floater or a lot up to the guy in the dunker spot because it looks the same every time and that equation is really hard for a defense to solve and right now the floater's not falling so he looks a little worse

but the playmaking on those paint touches is still there and I think generating a crazy amount of open shots from drives is just as important to a team as generating points as a score that Fox does. So I think in that way they're similar and I think Fox

he plays next to Sub bonus So that takes away some of his playmaking opportunities. So that's why he doesn't average like a assist a game or whatever. So I understand that. He's nowhere near the passenger that Tray Young is. He's nowhere near the passer that La Mello Ball is. He's a competent, good enough passer, but it's not a strength of his compared to other point guards.

Exactly. What's most fun? Mo has. So at my next five, I got 25, Kade Cunningham. I just realized that I made an insane mishap. And I don't know why, but instead of putting Kade Cunningham, am, I put Kate Cunningham and it's in place of Kyrie Irving. Don't know why I did that.

I'm looking at the list of my phone and it's just different from what I see over there and I just made a mistake. So really, I put Kyrie's supposed to be at 25. 24, Kar-Anthony Towns, 23, Chet Holmgren, 22. I got LaMello Ball and at 21, I have Jalen Brown. Okay. Jailen Brown's hard. I put him higher out of respect.

I want to go my 21. Yeah. He hasn't been super consistent this year. And I just, I really struggle to get. gauge Jalen Brown because like he's fantastic and his highs are really high and he is his numbers are wait down a little bit by how insanely deep the Celtics are he doesn't really got to assert himself as a score like he once did so I don't hold that against him but he's just so weird because he's not a creator with the ball in his hands really at all and he's not like a true lockdown defender

like an OG and a nobi but he's so well-rounded and so incredibly helpful to everybody around him that like he it's hard to gauge that versus guys who do more the ball in their hands but Jalen is just he's in 85 and everything yeah I see Jeline Brown and I'm like I I know who you are you're in you're a great basketball player in one of one of you say that by the way you're a great basketball player on one of the greatest teams of all time drop to your left but I dare you but I see your game the lack of I'm not going to say lack of playmaking because it's not like it's a gaping hole but it's not one of the best in the league or it's not like a necessary strength with the lover the defense can be overblown at times but it's genuinely it's not a real

weakness okay it's strength his yeah it's a strength the shooting has been so much better over the few over the last few years and it's again a strength but when i look at what he's tasked with to do and at times the limitations that i see with his game and how the celtics have completely shifted that and covered that guys like jason tain being taking on more of a playmaking role while also like being one of the bigger best defenders on that entire team too. I just see how the Celtics perfectly cover some of the gaps and holes in the game

and I just think when it comes to every other player that I have ahead of him he's generally just not a better basketball player. Yeah, no, I get it. He's very, he's a little tough to rank, but I can this is within his range, I think you're on the lower end, but he can be from 16 through 21 and I'm not mad at it. Yeah, I'm not going to be mad at you.

Let's see, you have Chet, too low. I'll say that. We'll talk about that when you're really like. Chad, too low. Chet Tch too low. Chet T2. You guys, okay. So with this right now, how you ranked Scotty Barnes last year is going to give very similar vibes to how you're ranking Chet Hongram this year.

I will say that. I disagree. Not even close. I disagree. I think, I'm going to piss me off. You're going to piss me off. I think Chet Hongren has already proven everything that you want to see out of him, everything that you need in terms of a team building aspect in terms of his growth as like an offensive

creator. His shooting is already there. He's there. And it's like kind of proven to where everything that I see from Jet Hongren on a nightly basis, I'm like, you know what? I fully believe in it. I'll save my thoughts until I reveal him on my list because I have many words to say that he has nothing like when we were talking about Scottie Barnes. It is the opposite of hot shooting. Yeah, Chet too low. Okay. But what else before we move on? You guys have the mellow ball at 25 and 22. I have him. I think I have my 20. I wanted to put him higher. He just like. Dude, La Mello Ball, to me right now, I mentioned Jalen Brown being tough to really gauge.

There's no harder player right now to gauge in the NBA than La Mello Ball. Lamello Ball is having a fantastic season. He's averaging 30 points for game and I think seven and a half assists, which is down a little bit from what we've seen in the past. But 30 points for game. You see that jumps off the screen. Lamello's averaging 30. You watch the games, gunning it.

He is a bucket. He is not shy. He is unloading the clip in a way that when you watch the eye test, elite score. He's getting to his spots. nobody can stop him he's not being shy he's not losing confidence when he misses truly unloading the clip type of score i don't know how much better that makes him the way we thought in the past his usage rate is up to 40% which is that's top of the league 5% higher than it was last year

his efficiency is about the same in every place i wrote it down he only has a 56% true shooting which is exactly league average and it's okay to be league average when you're at 30 points per game you're expected to be a little less efficient when you're gunning it in the way he does With so much lack of creation around him, he has to truly let that shit fly. So I'm not dinging him for being inefficient, but I'm all, it's, you know, it is what it is. It's not a strength. It's not a top tier scoring season. And I think some people will probably consider it that because the eye test is so flashy and so great.

It's a good scoring season, not crazy. And the playmaking isn't as intense as it once was because he's really focusing on scoring, which is probably by choice. And yeah, like, how much better does that make him because he's shooting more? yeah exactly like i agree with you he's not he's doing game breaking things because his archetype you're that tall and you have the ability to pass like he he he does and also like the scoring is crazy of course like you're naturally going to be one of the more better and valuable archetypes in the NBA end of discussion but something i will agree with you is that he with how we're scoring

the ball it just it just feels like yeah i'm going to take 22 23 shots a game and that's it that's the only that's changing his game like we've seen the shooting be what it is we've seen at times in the past like the lack of penetration specifically like finishing in the paint he gets there a lot more often but not really the terms of like the numbers honestly volume and accuracy are basically exactly the same at the room yeah but in terms it's like actually just getting there he gets there a lot more often he doesn't shoot it true but when it comes just getting there and applying that force yeah good point i understand that and i see that i see that growth in his game but when i think of players in his architect just big six seven six eight six nine guys

who have abilities to be one of the best passengers in the NBA while also scores. You think far into things like, okay, LeBron, Luca, James Hardin, you know, those category types of guys. The middle ball isn't sniffing that just yet because I don't think he's necessarily mastered. I don't want to say the passing just yet

because he's put so much, like you said, so much of emphasis on scoring, but the way he's scoring is it doesn't seem effortless. Yeah, no, he's a very talented passer. He hasn't gotten to the point where him with the ball in his hands he's not at the point where he's making the perfect reads

like some of those guys are where the mix of scoring and passing on a dime and being able to balance both of those like a prime James Hardin where he's gonna be up top he's in blow by his defender in an instant he can decide

if he's kicking to the corner doing a lob, doing a floater and that type of quick processing speed really blows teams out of the water Lamello's not there yet I think he probably will get there so I'm asking these questions I have on the highest out of us three

but I don't know if I feel good about it Like, I don't know if how much of it is him truly improving and how much of it is just, like, volume. I think it's a little, obviously, like, with a lot of things in the NBA, it's a little bit about, you know. But I think that I think, and that's why, like, I'm okay with, uh, with you putting in LaMello, a spot above Trey. Because I do view them in the same tier, but I think that Trey is a little bit above because I do think that Trey is, when we talk about, like, the lower end of offensive engines, I think Trey is, I think Trey is, I think tray is probably the line for where you can reasonably expect for a guard to run your offense to create everything. And if I keep, I keep thinking, and maybe this is just about my

personal view towards Lamello. Tray is in a very, quote, unquote, ideal situation. You have Trey, you have long wings who can defend, have a little bit of playmaking, right, with Jalen Johnson, and then you have your center, right? That's kind of, that's kind of what you would want with Lamello and I keep thinking like if Lamello was in Atlanta would I feel better about the Hawks now or would I feel better about them with Trey and I kind of feel better about them with Trey that's a good point and and it's like so like for Lamello yeah we're scaling everything up it's kind of about a necessity you guys still suck and I would want for you I want for the playmaking to also be scaled up if you have the ball 40 if your usage rate is 40 that is prime

2019 James Hardin level. James Hardin is leading the league in points and assists. And he's getting players paid. That's what I'm saying. He's getting players paid. James Hardin is averaging 35 and 10, 35 and 11.

Yes, Lamello's averaging 30. Why, obviously, guys have to make shots, but you have to create good shots. Like, James Hardin is creating easy shots for his guys. Trey Young is creating easy shots for his guys. I don't think Lamello is doing that to that level, which at that usage rate, I'm like, I kind of want to draw.

up you down just a little bit but that's also we got to talk about the fit here he is really playing with the dog shit supporting cast for his that's for his for his I'm not to say the players of dog shit for what his uh for his archetype to get the most of somebody as a playmaker it's not ideally suited to that he needs to have a little more creation around him shout up brandon miller he's been a little up and down he's trying up lately earlier in the season when lamello was cooking his shot wasn't quite falling so he doesn't really have a true second release valve high level offensive player they just start a lot of guys who just aren't offensive threats, he kind of has to gun it this

year. I think it's very interesting to think about how that, how much of that is his desire to be this type of player and how much of it is what's asked of him on this team where right now we see Grant Williams, Josh Green, Diabate, and Brennan Miller. Not a lot of firepower. I think if he was in a different place, if he had Bogdan Bogdanovich, Jalen Johnson, DeAndre Hunter, and Oneeke, that's a lot more creation from two through four that maybe he wouldn't have to play this way. So that's why I put him higher because I decided in the end that the talent is unbelievable. I'm going to attribute some of the downsides to the roster. It's like what I said earlier with Jimmy Butler. If I was making a team and I could put him in the ideal situation,

I think I'd be able to get more out of him in a perfect world that I'm going to give him a little credit for that. Yeah. But even then, I would say like, he wants to play like this too. Early in Trey Young's. Yeah. You can tell like he loved that. He loves that. Exactly. But earlier in Troy Young's career where he had to play with the corpse of Vince Carter when he was on his last legs and he had to play with like Amari Spellman and just the most random NBA players, he was still figuring out ways to get these guys specific looks where you just cannot fumble that. A lot of times, of course they did because they were those caliber NBA players.

And I just don't see that just yet out of the middle of ball when it comes to actually manipulating defenses and putting his players in specific spots. Yeah. again he's the type of guy that we got to watch how he looks over the rest of the season he can swing a lot on this list where you i think we all give him credit for his strong season to a very degrees but yeah we got to see how it looks when he gets a better roster around him can play next other stars and really like really win because i'm sure there's a lot of variance of opinion about him because he you could totally see people being like good stats bad team guy

he's flashy he doesn't play defense doesn't do things the right way and obviously it's also like a younger fan who would be like this motherfucker's a goon that boy nice Like a lot of variants. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to the top 20. First up, Mo. Who do you have from 20 through 16?

All right. Audio listeners, this is for you. At 20, I have J-dub. 19. I have Pala Bank Hero. 18. Trey Young. 17.

I have the inner Fox. And 16, I have John Morant. Okay, J-Dub, top 20. Wow. Yep. I, the biggest J-dub Glazer have him the lowest by far. That's crazy. Get you, trying to hide your true colors.

You have Fox at 17. Okay. I had him there at first, bumping down a little bit. Not mad at it, that's his range. Trey Young, we get it, you're in love with the guy. Palo is tough. I think I had Palo around here too. He's so hard to link.

He was amazing this season, but it was literally only five games. And last year, he was not a top 20 player. But this year, in those five games, he was probably a top 13 player or so. So it's, how much do you believe in that? How much you hold small sample size against them? I guess I'll real. I think I'm next. I'll real my five if we can talk about Palo.

What I guess do all of them. I have Lamello Ball at 20, Damien Lurde at 19, Ched Holmgren at 18, Palo Ben Carrow at 17, and Jaylen Brown at 16. Okay. I have Embed at 20,

Jad up at 19, Chet at 18, Palo at 17, Jaylen Brown at 16. Okay, so clearly. We got to like this. We are. The highlight of this tier

is Holmgren and Palo Bancaro Bacero as new stars who are elevated this year. Shout out. Shout out to you, we're locked. Start with Palo Bancaro. Last year, Palo Bancaro. got a lot of gas, I think, for the player he could be, not necessarily the player he was.

He was good, not say anything, but people kind of treated him like he already made the superstar elite, and I think he wasn't quite that yet, mostly because his rim scoring wasn't elite by any means, really mid-range focused, not really asserting his physical dominance. This year through those first five games, all the critiques I had were completely fixed. He was dominant, the footwork was better, the assertion under the rim, all those numbers went up and the third appropriate game is matched but it was only five games yeah and also a lot of a lot of the gas came from the playoff series where palo was the lone source of offense because again like franz his his shot wasn't falling jalen jillin sugs while he was like a good a good shooter

you never think of jelan sugs in that way of like a bucket so it really was palo ban caro is out here getting 30 on 25 shots a night in the playoffs and he looks like what the typical star looks like right 610 i'm getting middies i'm doing this i'm a volume score all that and it was always all the spacing's not good he can't do it yeah he had real flaws but he fixed him this year he looked again everything i wanted to see we saw but it was five games how much do you give him credit for those five games versus hold the sample size against him i give him a lot i think this is a good mix around where we have them right exactly yeah like the things that we've seen him do, that idea, that dream that you talked about a lot of us,

a lot of fans just in general, like fell in love with, maybe a little bit too quick, came into, came into fruition and the gap in the space that you have to like give him in terms of time is this range right here. I think generally, like, if he was to keep up what he was doing or in the season, he would be like a top 13 player. Exactly. That's exactly. I would have put him 13 if he did that for a whole 25 games. I went 17 on my list just to give him more time in case the shooting comes down or whatever but yeah like he is dominant right now and he can be the best player on a very good team that's so apparent yeah again if i was a palo hater last year i'm not anymore because it's very it he is markedly better like i said earlier with somebody else okay okay i see

all right you guys were gonna have the conversation let's stop being around the bush okay what let's talk about the chet hongen placement you have him at 18 and you also have him 18 yeah it's incredibly high why and i wish i could put him higher I thought about it. I really did. I really wanted to. I love Chet so much, but why does 18 warn him? Speak the gospel.

Simply put, if you're making the list of most valuable players in the league who impacts winning, who you'd want to, if you look at every archetype you need, you need a first star that's probably a ball handler that creates for others, you need role players, and you usually need a second and third star who are complimentary, can play off ball, let the first guy cook, compliment. him and just rise ties for everybody there might not be anybody in the league who fits that second star category better than chet homegren i said earlier the most important parts of being a contending team trying to win a title in 2024 you have to protect the rim to be the foundation of a good defense and you have to have shooting you have to win the three point volume battle create spacing to get to the rim all that stuff the way chet holmgren serves to optimize a roster is next fucking level. He is not just a good defender, not just

a great defender. He is the second best rim protector in the NBA this year behind Victor Women Yama. Easily. He leads the league in volume of shots contested at the rim. I think it was 13.4 per game. And team shots, let's see, I wrote this down. Teams shoot 10% worse with him on the court

at the rim versus when he's on the bench. They shoot 42% against him specifically. That's incredibly low. He's a truly dominant rim defense. defender. When he was playing early in the season, they had a 97 defensive rating before he got hurt. He went out. They still have good defenders. They still are playing well. Their defensive rating fell to normal. They were on pace to have the best defense at NBA history bar none. The team's defensive rating is 7.6 points better with him on the court versus without. And that's

crazy when you think about the fact that even when he's on the bench, they still have elite defenders out there. Yeah. But he's so great. He still makes them so much better. And then offensively, you have a stretch five. Not only is he really go bare defensively attacking, I mean, defending her down low, but he also is a very good shooter, can attack him off the dribble, do some with the ball in his hands,

be a truly complimentary player from the five, which is perfect for a guy like Shea who wants to attack the rim. I mentioned in the cup game, we saw J-Dub kind of shrink a little bit because they're putting a lot of defensive attention towards him. You can't do that when you have Chad homegrown out there's facing from the five being a second star.

He makes J-Dub better. He makes Shea better. Both sides of the court, he optimizes everybody around him so much that even if he isn't the on-ball creator that some guys above him are isn't necessarily the guy that you think of as a go out and get a bucket,

go out and create a bucket, he fills the gaps better than almost anybody in the league. He's basically died at Wembe, who obviously we all have hired in this. Yeah, I understand what you're saying, and I agree, especially like when it comes to the defensive, the defensive show things that he does on a night-to-night basis.

Generally he's special, doesn't matter where he's at on the court, whether it be like top the key, behind the pose playing rome or whatever whatever the situation is he's truly special and in my mind i don't i don't know if i not i think i had him second on my defensive player of the year rankings i think you did too or you did i don't remember i had him won but he got hurt but he would i think he would want it if he said healthy yeah i mean yeah exactly i agree my only thing with him is that i like schematically everything that you're saying makes so much sense innately his archetype

sky rockets him towards the top in terms of value and what is basically like mathematically needed in order for you to need like win an NBA championship or at least bare moon be super successful not make it sound like some nerds shit something I will say also is that yes you're right he makes jadub and shay's life so much easier but innately too like those guys make his life so much easier as well because naturally he's not the creator or he's not like a super potent offensive force he doesn't need to be that because of what he is defensively he wasn't that defensively then we'd have i think he would be slightly adjusted but in terms of his efficiency on the offensive end i like it but he's not one of the best shooters in the NBA again i understand

he doesn't need to be necessarily but i think when i see that like yo he's like brookelopez type of launching it that's when i'm ready to put him around top 15 top 17 or whatever the case maybe if he was waiting for that if he was those things you're mentioning he would be Victor Wembenyama and he would be in the top 10 players in the NBA so I agree if he was Carl Lentie Towns offensively that'd be great but then we're talking about the fifth best player in the fucking world probably I'm not asking for me to cat that's that there's get you drag him a little bit I'm not asking be cat I need the actuality of him offensively to be there I don't need to see you shoot we saw it 28% in the playoffs we saw it last year no we saw at the beginning

of this season like yeah just offensive game took a step forward and You said, you know, based on the things that you, I mean, you said, you said based on the things that you mathematically need to, to build a contender. Yeah. Two years ago, the Thunder were a frisky eight seed, right? They were, they were fine. They were fun. Chet Holmgren, as a rookie, walks in instantly.

They go from like the 13th defense, whatever, number one defense in the league, number one seed, all that. This year, you add another piece. Chad Holmgren elevates again. They go from number one. seat to clear cut title favorite right with chair hungren and his and his elevation you have a a seven two seven three guy who can put the ball on the floor who can shoot 30 37 38 percent from three and like i said before he went out he was the d p o why he was on track to to to win it and so

everything that you mathematically need he was mathematically doing and so like i don't think that he just used to exist and be there and he's he's that but he's he's he's that but he's he's He was. We're talking about his offense too much. The defense is why he's as high. Most D.P.O.Ys like him suck offensively. Yeah. Rudy Gaubert, best friend protector in the league, can't do shit with the ball in his hands.

Second best. Sure. Well, not anymore, but you know, it's prime. You look at who else has won DPI in that mold. They can't bet Matumbo. All these guys that are truly elite download defenders that change the game. Granted, those guys are bigger. It did it in different ways.

But for the modern NBA, that's what Chet is. They can't shoot threes. And Chet can be the DPOI and all. also stretch the floor and give you five-out spacing. That combination- Supercharged Porzingis. Like, yeah,

if Porzinius was extremely mobile and even better at blocking shots, despite being smaller, Porzingis would also be a top 20 player. Yeah. Cheongren is... He's a roster-building cheat code. He elevates everybody so much. And I get it.

Like I said, you're right. He's not the offensive player of some of these guys. But that's why he's not even higher. He, again, you have Victor Ruben Yamma higher. That's what he would be if he had that. I would like to use everybody's favorite word, scalability.

Oh my gosh. The most scalable player of all time. You can put Chair Holmgren on any team in the NBA. There's no way that they get worse. There's no way that putting Chet Holmgren on your team jacks up what you're doing offensively, defensively, anything. That's very true. He is like that.

And so when you talk about trying to win games, being a second star, value, all this stuff. Chet Holmgren is the prototype of what you would want from a teammate, from a player, from a roster building construction, he's like that. So yes, he should, he definitely is 18 and you are lucky that he's been out these last two months because he would have been right there at 16, 17, he could be higher. Listen, if I remember throughout the first few games of the year, maybe the first three, four years. Get the honey. That dude was, that dude was averaging 25.

Earlier in the season two, he looked Nicole Yokic in the eyes and just gave him genuine issues. In his house. I'm pouring oxtail on you go at altitude. I remember that game. I remember that game. He couldn't breathe. And he was getting, and he was shutting down Yokic.

Yes. He's like that. You're absolutely right. He's like that. And offensively, too, he was giving him the business in terms of his spacing and also, like, his connectivity, which is like ultra important. That's another, like, level of value to him offensively. He's connective. He's scalable.

He's portable. Bring him all the adjectives in the world. Shout out Mr. Oxtail. He needs to be hard. Ew, ox tail. I'm talking about pouring oxtail on your goat. Poor him browning Yeah

Who else we got in this year I've got a Damien Lloyd at 19 He's tough Because I think people Kind of wrote him off his wash Last year He bounced back It was everything we thought it was

It was a rough first year To a new team He was out of shape Had all the Personal issues going on The fit issues He's looked every bit of Damian Lloyd this year

I think What makes Dylan Brown Better than Damia Louis Everything's at 85 Yeah just balance Defense Defense you know I think at this point in his career,

Damien Lillard is not the defender he once was. We know that to be the case. Yeah. He's passing really well right now. So he's been probably just as good an offensive player. He has to be the second option right now on an elite team, as we've seen with the honest. I don't know if he could really lead you as like your best gunner

unless you have like a really perfect second and third star that technically is number one. Yeah. So I, you know what? You know what Jalen's higher? Scalability. That's the only thing. And in my mind, I'm like, yeah, you're.

I guess the scale of many conversation. No, Jaylon's very equipped to be a second star. Defensively and offensively, he really, really elevates whoever he's playing next to. But I'm not, you can put Lillard above him.

I don't think it's crazy. Yeah, I think Lillard is generally a better basketball player. I think when you look at these two, no one in their goddamn earth is calling Jalen Brown one of the best defenders than B. He's one of the better defenders.

Den, genuinely not a weakness whatsoever. Yeah. But to call him one of the best, that's not what it is. Call him one of the best slasher, sure. but in general like when you when you talk about oh shit no I didn't I can see I can't see I move on to the next round if you want to

but yeah in general I think when you look at someone like Damien Lillard I think he offers more things that is just so rare and that like the overall the 85 85 overall this motherfucker's like a 99 overall when it comes of course like most valuable thing an NBA arguably it's a spacing and I see that and how just game breaking that can be at times

versus Jalen Brown just the overall. I just think that supersedes what Jaron has. But even with Dame, like, having him play off ball is not ideal for him. Yeah, that's why. You know, like, you wanted to be a spacer. We saw last year he was kind of uncomfortable in that situation. And when you see Dame really start to turn up, it's because they've empowered him more.

They put the ball in his hands a little bit more and gotten a little bit more of Portland, Dame, to where he can be on the ball. He can create. And a lot of times when he's gunning, he's not. you know he's not like yonis isn't driving and dame isn't like sliding over like getting in his vision catching the shooting he's he's he's they're running screen and rolls he's he's taking deep threes he's doing stuff off the bounce so yeah it's it's not yeah it's not a good yeah he's not a good interior defender perimeter defender or off all score and those are big holes when you especially

when you're a second star that shit matters yeah exactly i agree but also how you cover those types of things too is what makes you seem even better of a player and i think not there's not a slide on jail whatsoever. I think he's a good player. I think you're spacing when it comes to the two is a little bit off, but I can understand it. I just see Jenin Brown I'm like, okay, what what how how would you able to lead those 2018, 2019, 2023 Portland Troy Blazers team. Why is that relevant? I'm talking about you as a basketball player. Why is that? He's not a one option. I'm talking about him as a basketball player. I'm worried. Why is that basketball? You talk about him in every capacity. So it's relevant

those conversations. I'm not really that you're not not starting. Every every every you're just in general. Okay. Yeah. That's not him. That's not his game no dude would ever think for that to be his game wait so wait wait so what's your what's the argument here that he couldn't be the one option on a blazers not that's not my argument you just what's okay so what's the argument so i think damey lord can do more with less while also being just as effective as jaylon brown in terms of secondary role we just haven't seen it fit quite perfectly yet because of whatever issues that the bucks had between him and yonness and whatnot but his skills are the issue it's not just fit he is not as you

equipped to be a second star. He's not a good defender. He's not a good off-ball score. Those are what make a second star be so available for that role. Janice made his life harder genuinely as well in terms of like, you know, like if you want to see me cook like I normally do, I need the best finishing human in the NBA to go ahead and set me swings. His life could have been made so much easier.

It could have. Jason Tatum and all those guys around Jaylon Brown make his life so much easier. I think we're mixing in between Damela's situation a little bit compared to like what jeline brown's actually able to do do do you think if you had dame is your one option right now at 35 years old that that's a good situation for winning a championship it doesn't matter dame or jalen brown is not a good situation so right now so forget forget 2018 2019 bladers we'll talk about the ways it's in the mud right now if you put if you put dame on the blazers right now versus you put jalen brown on the blazers you naturally yeah dame would give me more because he's a creator and he just gives me more

opportunities and the ceiling is limit as compared to Jalen Brown. There's a ceiling with what he does. What he does is very good, but again, that's not the conversation. I'm just talking about how Gillian Brown has so many holes covered for him on that end compared to Daly and D. Mueller. He needs to be in the perfect situation. It's a point guard versus a

forward. Of course, Damien Lillick could run an offense better in that role. That's just not, like, that's saying if I made dealing Damien Lillard, the primary wing defender on Luca Donchitz, he wouldn't do as good as Jalen Brown. No shit. He's a point guard. That's not his role. That's the same thing. inverse yeah i agree with you so yeah i just think in totality at this point of his career

jalen is slightly better but 16 to 19 i think they're fucking goddamn the same this is the same tier like these players are very similar wait but you up so you but you have damn higher i have them higher oh okay i can't wait to see that how do you guys feel about imbid at 20 i don't know how good imbid is anymore i don't have an opinion how do you feel about imbita at 20 i mean i think i think it's i think it's kind of fair um but i think like i think clearly imbd still has some talent in his um in his legs and in his body and philly some talent his legs it's still there right but i mean we don't we don't know but so there's kind of like a baseline level of respect that you do have to give and be because even with a swollen knee he can still go

out and drop you know 31 and 8 or whatever but i think that we had a conversation on stream yesterday where or two days whenever on tuesday whenever this comes up um where we were talking about the pelicans you know potentially moving on from from zion i think philly should also be in that conversation where they should think about trading joel at this point because i think the fact that i put him at 20 and you guys didn't have him on the list purely because oh i don't know what his knee is looking like you might want to get out ahead of it while you still have some juice on his like trade value yeah and you have paul george on a four-year deal who is so clear that in four years, Paul George is not going to be a fantastic basketball player.

Tyrease Maxie, he's not now. I'm just saying in four years, right? Regardless of what evidence you are using right now, in four years, Paul George is probably not going to be worth that contract. Tyrese Maxie, he's not the one option. Whenever Embed's not there, yes, he can go and chuck and do all the lamello stuff, but the efficiency is not going to be there. He's also not that great of a playmaker.

So, like, I don't know what the future is. You also have a lost year because Jeremy Cain's meniscus is gone. everything is so bad the sixes might be better off tearing everything down at this point getting out in front of the rebuild and trading and beat you know i don't hate that it's very disheartening and i think just like when it comes to just straight politics and who you are is there or more i don't think you do that just yet without at least giving giving it a go and seeing the seeing you like i you need to see joan you need to give joan beat another opportunity he deserves another opportunity with this court at least once before you even think

of trading enough he was to come back and they were to go ahead and have the normal jumbedah headache whatever something happens then sure entertain those conversations but not just yet somebody put out a tweet the other day of mb's injury history this is in the last decade from 2014 fractured foot meniscus tear orbital fracture knee tendonitis dislocated finger partially torn meniscus another orbital fracture a sprained lcel a torn meniscus bell's palsy and a sinus fractured this year. Bell's palsy. That's all the stuff that Joelle and Bede at 7-2-280 pounds has dealt with over the last

decade. And it's ridiculous that he's had to go through all that. It's ridiculous that he's been able to come back from that multiple times, get an MVP, have one of the best scoring seasons we've ever seen. Yet we are sitting here saying, I don't know if Joel and Bid is going to be able to do that ever again. And the only way your organization works is if Joel and Bid is able to do that again. damn like you know what I'm saying like you might have to have some some level of like foresight and just get off this I didn't rank him because I don't know maybe you're right and maybe it's it's cooked prime is done injuries have added up or maybe he's back where it was last year which was the third best player in the goddamn NBA when he's healthy so it's such a tough equation that we just need to see more sample size to see how he keeps playing as the year goes on or I should say if he keeps playing when the year goes on it's like it's such a we're not talking about how good he is we're talking about availability

and all these other factors that are very important but when we know the skills are fucking ludicrous when he plays one of the most skilled big men never touch a basketball court I'd rather just wash my hands of it

and not even rank them I'm gonna take the cowards way out because I just don't know what to think yeah I'm lying in terms of that we might get to the all-star break and Joel and Beaton's played six more games

I think yeah you're probably right so that's why I didn't rank I'm like it's gonna be a loss season anyways it's and that's that's also crazy considering you just gave him another extension like yeah i think it's a lost career i think it's cooked i think it's very tough times be a sixers fan and we're here saying that that it's a lost career you're done like we're just as a as a as an organization you know why you want to hey take him as an organization no because i want to have this conversation but like as i wanted to fucking kick him while he's down

hard this isn't even kicking this is this is more a suggestion to darrell i want to put darrell on game Listen, it's true game It's real All right, man We're exactly halfway Through this list now We're gonna take a break I want you to lift that pillow up

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Pull the sleeve out. Okay, this is scuffed. God damn. All right, there we go. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Still a bad egg, there you go. We got this other crew neck that has his emblem on the corner on the chest plate. Yeah, man.

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I think that as a personal responsibility to give you all cool sweaters. Yeah, man, now that we've got that little commercial out the way. It's time for the top 15 on our list. Let's go. 11 through 15. First of, I'm here. At 15, I have Donovan Mitchell.

At 14, Devon Booker. 13 John Morant, 12 Jalen Brunson, and 11 LeBron James. How do y'all feel? Oh, 11 LeBron James hurts my soul. You guys know who I am. And I know this probably hurts your soul more than me. You just like literally argued a couple weeks ago against like 10 LeBron haters or whatever the number was. Put him outside of your top 10, that's insane.

Low key. Still being a bit generous, giving him 11. I don't know So I think LeBron At his level of play We've talked about it at length We've talked about it plenty You can't get to the room

Like he once did The energy can't be there consistently He doesn't have the stamina he once had We know he doesn't jump anymore He had a stretch a few weeks ago A three point shot wasn't falling for a week and a half And he looked awful His scoring game is

Completely reliant on his two point Falling at this point Which it usually does But when it doesn't If he has a cold game He has so little burst these days through a fourth quarter that is alarming.

He's not a top tier score. Still a great passer he once was, but you know, as a scoring threat goes down, the passing comes and goes with it. And defensively, he's been miserable. That energy level I talked about depleting has shown his ass defensively.

He makes them worse when he's on the court defensively, and that is extremely apparent. So at this point, he's a pretty good, not great score that has a little more variance than some other guys. A zero defense,

not a zero defensively. He's still big, has some skills, but not an impact defender. and a very good passer that traditionally wouldn't be a player that's number 11 that's the player that is 17 18 I don't know

but he's still LeBron James he still has the ability to turn on when needed he can't do it consistently it's kind of like what I did with Jimmy Butler where we know he's saving energy and can't give it to you night in night out but we also know if needed there's a level they can hit

that I look at the guys below him I just can't put him below those guys yet I don't know like those names if Devin Booker was having the season he had in 2022 or 23 when he was defending really well the viewpoint shot was falling everything was going but yeah

you're better than LeBron if Brunson was a better passer yeah you're better than LeBron if John Morant was averaging 27 right now and not 22 and a half with the worst efficiency he's had in a while sure you're better than LeBron or if he was a good defender

sure you're better than LeBron if DEMHs is having a downscoring year so him being at 11 right now is all about these four guards not having amazing seasons yeah um specifically I think Yeah, D. Mitch is having a downscoring year, but he's having a down year everything, not to, not to his fault at all, though. He's generally, like, he's only playing like 30, 31 minutes a game, which is like shocking. And overall, I think that's more of sore like Kenny Atkinson type of thing. Like, he's one of the, he's shooting, he's shooting 40% from the three point line on nine at 10s per game. His shooting is fine. I think he's been a okay. He's been the normal Donovan Mitches. So I disagree with you there completely. But when it comes to this range of players, this is where they

belong they're all clumpton together brunton moran booker and mitchell if i and i think brunton is being towards the top of that is fine john moran hasn't hasn't been the most impactful scoring threat that we know and want him to be he's taking a bit of a backseat and been letting other guys cook like the salty adama's a jaron jackson juniors of the world and whatnot and devon bugger has been wildly inconsistent like he's just not the normal devon booker that we see but we give him a little bit more okay we'll talk about that good donald mitchell mitchell is down 8% at the room, 67% last year to 59 this year.

Hey man, why you always got to bring up these numbers? And his mid-range shooting from long mid-range jumpers, 49% last year, down to 40. So his 3-point shot is falling. That's why he's still having a good year. But his interior scoring

and in-between game has not been good. That has been a noticeable thing that has been frustrating Kaz fans. He's not firing at all cylinders. They can be even better once he starts clicking. And I think he can. I know I didn't lower him out of top 15.

He's still Donovan Mitchell. But he's not having such a dynamite season that I can put him above these other guards here and it's the same thing with devon booker i've traditionally put devon booker at number 10 and number 11 i've lowered him because i am concerned that show is concerned to me because i am a huge devon booker glazer historically defensively has not been as good as he was a couple years ago and i'm a bit concerned that he is super reliant on his three-point shot falling right now and it hasn't been super consistent i'm a bit worried because he has been very very streaky the last couple years

he had he had his when he was clicking he's he's amazing but the consistency there relying on tough jumpers has been more apparent as the defense hasn't been as good as a rim scoring is down a little bit slightly worry about devon booker yeah can we can we see just all of ours because i think i have the same like kind of names in this range yeah so you have so at 15 i have lebron 14 i have devon booker 13 i have john morin 12 i have donald mitchell and at 11 i have jelan brunson whoa Okay I guess it's fair LeBron being the back end is fair

Like I said These guys should be better than him They just aren't crazy I don't know I don't know Saying John Moran Better than LeBron It doesn't feel right this yet Because even like

I just look at defense And actually LeBron's gonna be a better defender Playmaking No he's not He's really not Compared to John Moran's He's really not I think you're just

We just disagree I mean John Moran's not great Obviously either He's not good But Lebron has been a very Very bad defender this year I'm compared to John Moran specifically

Compared to anybody he has been bad. My conversation is about John Morento, is what I'm saying. Yes, he has been just that. He is bad defensively. All of these guys, all of these guys in this range are not like plus defenders. Yeah. But for, for LeBron, one of the biggest things, unless I, listen, why put you guys up on game?

You know what I'm saying? Especially, you know what I'm saying? If you like to dabble like I do, if LeBron cannot, LeBron on a night to night basis, cannot give you two great performances back to back. Yep. every time lebron lebron scored 30 i think four times this season that's insane the night after he has scored 20 points one time

he's he's had a 30 point game had 11 points had another 30 point game had 15 had another 30 point game scored 18 he like offensively for lebron to gear himself up and to give the lakers everything that they that they need now unpluggy ears because you got to hear this you know but for lebron to to do all of that it takes so much energy and I just like if I can't get two 30 point per game you know scores scoring nights out of you where the other four guys on this list I know for a fact that they can do it and so LeBron just doesn't seem capable of that you saw that last year in the playoffs where he would go crazy in the first half against the nuggets and then the second half it just wouldn't be there like we've

seen it we've seen it kind of trickle in year in and year after and now we're finally here and the fact that he can't play defense I'm sorry like you're just you're at the that range now yeah we've been everybody's been great everybody's been giving lebron so much praise on the high end for the last three years like he's 37 he's 38 are you shocked that he's 39 and looks like this you've been telling me his age every day for the last three years i'm not shocked this is what 39 year olds look like this is what 40 year olds look like no it's really not but he's still the best yeah he's still insane this is not what 39 or 40 looks no they look slow they look compared to themselves and where they were three years ago every 39 year old is

going to look slower they are going to look like a version who can't turn it on every every single night this is what it looks like to be an old the oldest player in the NBA yeah and he you could look at the good you saying it's good nights and bad nights which is so true the good nights apparently someone like you will see that I'm like my goat still got it not lost a step I told you was cold I still got it. The next night, he's not really, it's not a lot. He looked great in this game we're showing highlights from

because he had nine goddamn days of rest. He missed games to get his feet under him and he came back, look who were juvenated and they beat the piss out of the Grizzlies because that energy reverberated throughout the entire team and they were all lifted by this ability of LeBron to lead by example and apply this energy.

He had to sit out for nine games to look like this again. I mean, not nine games, nine days. Yeah, we know what you mean. They said, JJ Ray's like, I don't know where to bring it. He knew exactly.

He was at home chilling. There was like just controversy brewing. Ooh, people weren't talking about it. Why is LeBron away from the team? Is it 2018 all over again? That motherfucker was chilling with his feet up because he needed to catch a breather.

That's exactly what it was. And again, the highs are still there, but consistency is important. That's why Jimmy Butler is lower. Makes sense. Middle, almost off his list,

off the list for you guys. LeBron can't be in the top 10 anymore if he can't do it a 90-night-out basis. And guys above him are goons every single night. And in a playoff series, when you are playing every other night, right? Forget the first round. Let's say the Lakers win a first round series.

You get to the second round. You are not getting three days in between games. You're playing every other night, two games maximum. Is LeBron going to be able to dial it up every other night consistently at that level of intensity? And if he can. If they win a seven game series, can you do it again? And guess what? Can you do it again?

And can you do it again? Like, that is impossible to ask of him. Now, granted, this Lakers roster is not well optimized. They're not going to get there. But not even that. It's not well optimized for him to be in the role he needs to be in. They need a lot from him, which is, we've talked at length. Rob Polinka has goddamn failed a man.

So it's not his fault that he's expected to do more. But if you're not expected to do more, you can't be given the credit of a top 10 player or not expected to do top 10 player things. Yeah. Exactly. And when it comes to like the rest of the guards, I feel like, Like the, for the last three years, right, top three shooting guards have really been. It's a flux.

And DeMitch, Booker. All of them, especially Mitchell and Booker, you could say, aren't having, like, the greatest season. And so they kind of just all move in a pack at once, right? So you can move them all up. You can move them all down. You can interchange them. But they still get the benefit of the doubt of when we get to the playoffs. I still feel very confident as Devin Booker being my two guard.

I still feel confident DeMitch being there, still feel confident, you know, and we'll see him later, whatever. But you still feel good about it where even with Morant and Brunson, obviously, LeBronish is not. I'm not sure if I feel as comfortable from a scoring perspective, night in and night out. Yeah, I'm not mad at it. I honestly, he probably is closer to 15. I gave him the bump. Call me a glazer. I don't know.

It just feels weird to put him below some of these guys, but I get it. So my question to you is, is Donovan, is Jalen Brunson really that? much better than a player like Damien Lillard, but like separates the two. Can you genuinely see Jalen Brunson be the one guard? Can you lead? Can he lead a team to the NBA championship or winning a championship? To winning a championship? Neither can.

Maybe not, but even Prime Dame probably couldn't have done that. But I think Brunson, we saw last year, again, everybody hurt they were a game away from the conference finals. And so he clearly has a style that works in. in the playoffs this team has a lot of other flaws but they are still one of the best offenses in the league he has he has you know picked it up the first couple of games of the of the year you really really saw that adjustment period where he was trying to figure out his spots there were times where you can see that he was forcing every every game that goes along the chemistry

between him and cat grows and it gets better in that pick-and-roll combo gets better but yeah I think Jalen Brunson is that much better than Dane at this point. Okay. In terms of like overall performance and the level of consistency, I can wholeheartedly agree with that. And I can see and there's real understanding. And even thinking about it now back on my list, I kind of wish I put him a little bit higher

because it's so hard for someone like Jaylen Brunson to have a bad game just naturally due to his play style. Like not that it's like effortless or whatever, but the type of shots that he takes specifically are more likely. to go in and there's more likely to be level of consistency because of how we fix it. I actually disagree compared to someone like Dame, really? I think John Brunson takes hard shot.

Jalen Brunson. But they're a lot closer to the rim, so I'm just talking about. But nonstop, Jalen Brunson at like six, six two, six three is taking post up fadeaways. I know. He's taking fadeaways. He's throwing his body into defenders. He's getting and ones constantly like the wear and tear on his body. It's also very herky jerky.

That's true. You know, it's, that's a hard style of basketball. To just go and say, basically, I'm going to play one-on-one, pivot, pivot, pivot, nonstop, go downhill, throw my body, do all this. It's a very physical style of play. So I honestly think that Dave takes an easier, his shot diet is easier to get to than Jalen Brunson. I think we are way easier, I think. Yeah, really.

And even Jailen Brunson, she's 43% from 3. He is a very good catching shoot 3-point shooter, very good stepback 3-point shooter off the dribble, 46% from mid-range. 46% very good, including 45% from Florida range. So he has the in-between game from the deep through mid-range and the interior and 66% at the rim. Better than Damien Lillebra, a good amount. Like, he is a true three-level score from that size.

He is quick and hard to stay in front of. One of the best in the league is snaking, pick and rolls and get into his spots. And he's gotten that shot, too. Wait, can you run this all back? Yeah, let me go back to the highlights. It's very, this step back right here. Yeah, look at that. Just yanks it.

Yeah, that yank's that he has that, like, added. always been there, but that's like very consistent now. He's gotten very, very good at that. And he's so, like you talk about the playoffs though, that's a difference to me, to me. He has, he honestly he hasn't talked about in this comparison. He is small Shaggildas Alexander.

The way that they can get to their spots and operate from the mid-range and craftiness and getting to the rim and really getting to their spots despite whatever defense throws at them, it's perfect for the playoffs. We saw it last year. In this list last year, I ringed him at 24. Famously, my worst take in list

history. I put Scottie Barnes of 22 and Jaylen Brunson at 24. And it wasn't because I wasn't too high on Scottie Barnes necessarily. I was just too low on Jayland Brunson at the time because I didn't, well granted it was also as the come up was coming up. I was just late to see it. But I

didn't think for a single fucking second that we could be in a world where he gets into playoffs with that Knicks roster and then he can go out and get 40 a night and get his game off. I was like surely they will throw double teams at him and make him make everybody else beat you. He's a small guard, not an amazing

passer. Surely you can minimize him by throwing bodies like because you know they're small guards. And you couldn't, even a little bit. He sees a double team and he's like, ooh, get out of the way. Run around both of you, gets my mid-range shot. He is infallible. He is incredibly hard to make him not play his game. That's why I was so wrong about him and why he has

to be top 15 now. He is just playoff proof. Yeah, exactly. There's a few players in the world. So much. It was so easy. It was so easy to What's my 11.15? No, the one critique, though, that I will say, where if we just want to talk about, like, worries,

I am kind of worried about that in the playoffs because in the cup game, Dyson Daniels was able to be very physical. And you can play that offball style of ball when you have a big, like, Hartenside who can be at the high post, who can pass really well, who can hit the, you know, hit cutters while he's, you know, going down the lane. The Knicks don't necessarily, like, have that level of pass or now. So it really is on Jalen for a lot of onball creation. So once we do get to the playoffs, if you do have, like, let's say, you know, you do have a Dyson Daniels that you can just say, hey, go ahead.

And, like, there's not really anybody who can make those passes and continue to still be, like, an outlet the same way that Hardinstein did. So that's, like, one of my worries. It's a good point. But, like. You couldn't double him because you had one of the best short roll passes. Exactly. And Kat isn't that. And his float and, like, Hardinstein's floater.

Hardin time fit everything that the Knicks tried to do and helped a lot of the weaknesses. It's going to be very interesting to see who. their matchups are in the playoffs and how they get through it but yes brunson like still in a vacuum to be able to go at that size go get 40 whenever you need to that's great and be good off fall that's the difference between like him and like john moran that's why i put him one spot above him very good off ball score like he moves a little bit not a ton not not not amazing but he can shoot really well the catch and shoot three point shot is incredible for him ja not so much yeah man man i'm thinking about maybe i should put jane runs the top 10 man higher than you that's not ridiculous

It's not ridiculous. He might be better than LeBron. I don't know. That feels weird. He is. Let's just run into my next next group. Please. I'm not original conversations.

I'm not. I want to evade those. Whoa. Ooh. Okay. So number 15. Not my go. Not my goat.

How dare you? Listen, I'm so happy you can put LeBron there. But I got, okay, so 15, I got Devin Booker, 14, Jalen Brunson. I wish I put him higher. 13. Donovan Mitchell. 11, Damien Lillard and at, or 12, Damien Lillard and 11, I got Steph Curry. How dare you?

Ah, man, oh, man. Steph Curry is still a great player. And if you want to call him top 10, cool. I have a number 11. I would not call him stones at you whatsoever. But it's clear that Steph doesn't have the ability to naturally carry a team at the old age and that attrition has gone to him. Now, still with her at this age, he's the greatest shooter of all time that's never

leaving his bones whatsoever he's like throwing up 10 3s a game shooting 40 some percent insane as usual but the normal carrying abilities and the ability just like go toe to toe with top scorers on a night to night basis just isn't there anymore you can't go go go bucket for bucket on a consistent basis you can't ask that out of them and that's some of the things that you talked about with lebron in terms of consistency same conversation with stuff this is this is a good point 11's too low i think but i understand it i don't have a much higher so i can't crucify you Um, he can't be what he was in 2022, where he's the one option. That's the primary creator running a lot of on-ball stuff, really being asked to carry a big burden.

He could do it in 2022. The past two years, they should have been adding creators and giving a bumper to play a little more offball to have more creators around him. And they've done the goddamn opposite. First, they trade Jordan Poole for geriatric Chris Paul, who was the backup point guard. That's already, you lose some juice and some ability to. have someone like pool who can carry some basically be an innings eater in the regular season. And then you let Chris Paul walk for nothing. So now you have even less creation.

They're giving him more burden than ever as he's getting older. And you've seen that a lot in his fourth quarter performance. He looks goddamn gassed in the clutch. He won't clutch player the year last year because he was so good in the clutch. He's the opposite right now. He looks tired, doesn't have his legs under him. He's shooting a career low at the rim. Actually, career low since 2013, which is a long goddamn time ago.

Yeah. 59% at the rim. and that matches the eye test this motherfucker's smoking left left and right all these normal getting to the rim and doing these soft touches off the top of the backboard you jump a little bit less high than you did before

and it's a little difficult he's a really touch-based guy when you lose a tiny bit of athleticism those tough shots are harder to make consistently we've seen that but I'll say this before I let you go and go crazy about your goat I gave him a little more credit

and kept them in the top 10 because he has no goddamn business having this type of role he's being forced to play he should not be the only creator on the Warriors it's back to what I was saying before if he was in a situation that made some fucking sense and he had a second star he could still be Steph Curry

and even though with what we're saying the team's offense is 17 points per 100 possessions better with him on the court still he's carrying to a ridiculous degree because of supporting cast is that pissed from a creation perspective there's no other good ball handlers that the issues that he's having

and the downgrade he's taking as an athlete is so exasperated by the players he's playing with, it is truly the worst type of roster to play with Steph Curry right now. Yeah, it feels so weird for me to put them outside of the top 10. I wish I could have like two top 10, two number 10 spots at this point in time. But yeah, I agree. Genuinely, naturally, if you are in a worse situation

with worse players and you're being players who can't create any shots from themselves outside of, I guess Dennis Shorter now because he just got traded over there. Even then, even with addition to Dennis Shorter, this team is still terrible, especially with what Steph Curry needs offensively. And even when he's on the court, off the court, it doesn't matter. You're tasking them a lot.

And you're right, they miss on the opportunity to, like, usher in another guy to go ahead and alleviate the pains and the stresses of at times going total toe, bucket for bucket for bucket with the other team's best player. I will say, though, give me your hand. I need to hold you real quick while I, other hand, give me the other one. I need to hold you tight while I break this news to you. he's still been better than LeBron James. He's been better than LeBron.

I can't lie. You've been infected. You've been infected. He's still been better than LeBron James. And that's where you're glazing. You're glazing straight up. No, I'm not. Straight up, slobbing.

He's been better than LeBron still. He's way more efficient. Did he, he might be still a better defender than LeBron. He's been that bad. He's still carrying the offense with his off-ball gravity, all the stuff that they run through still exists. he's better than LeBron I can't lie

and you know what if you put them both in the proper situation he would be a lot better than LeBron LeBron can get a little bit better with a better situation Curry can get a lot better

with the team that makes sense I don't know if you put LeBron I don't know that's that conversation I'm not ready to have just yet but I will say

in terms of the war of tradition the war of attrition in the old age it's definitely to LeBron a lot more to Curry naturally

that's only thing you'll say on that right he doesn't look as old as a barn donovan you disgust me he's been so there festering you you discuss me man there's there's until the day that he dies there's not going to be anybody in the world who can shoot the basketball better than step curry there's no until he retires there's nobody right now outside actually i lie yokech but step curry the fact that he can be on the floor and it doesn't matter how old he is it doesn't matter what he's shooting even though that he's shooting well this year right step curry is on your offense and you have jemong green out there and

those two know how to play next to each other you are going to have an elite offense right it's not his fault that he's playing with and when we talk about the stars we talk about everybody from one through 20 on our list that man has the worst supporting cast offensively around him. And they're talking, they are leaning on Jonathan Cominga to be, they're leading on Caminga, Andrew Wiggins, pods. They were like, oh my God, Buddy Heald remembered how to shoot. Like, thank goodness for Buddy Heel. If you are on your hands and knees, thanking the Lord that Buddy Heald is out here doing what he's doing, you are in the gutter. And there's no reason why their offense should look like this. There's no reason why their offense should be depending on

these guys. If you put Steph Curry on any other competent area, they are going to be one of the best offenses in the league. They still are one of the best teams or one of the better teams in the Western Conference. No, they're not. They're eight now. They're 18th at offensive rating. Stop that. Stop that. Stop that. They're 14 and 11. You get into a playoff series against against the Warriors with a healthy Steph Curry. They are one of the better teams. What does that I mean, the top of what? Does that me top four to you? Top five.

I won't bother arguing that. Anyways, maybe the fifth, sure. Top five. But this is a team that has failed him and they are lucky that he loves Oakland, that he loves to Bay, that he loves San Francisco, all of that.

But there's no world where you can watch what the Warriors are doing and not recognize the absolute impact. And if we are just going to go like true, true value and impact to winning stuff curry is still one of the five six best players seven best players in the world sure i don't know about all that i certainly wouldn't say five but i hear you like they could look better with a better team give him give him one other guy and we're cooking i mean shit if he had anthony davis it would look a lot different you don't even

need you don't even need an anthie davis i'm not even asking for another top 10 guy should i am give him an anthony davis i'm that's not that's not listen i would love i would love that for stuff give him what he wanted in the offseason. Go get Lari marking it and see what the Warriors can do with that offensively. See what they would look like. Step, you're disrespect. All right, let's go. Let's go to 6 through 10.

Mo, who do you got? 6 through 10. Number 10, I have Victor Wembanyama. He's finally made it and broke into this top 10 NBA range. Number nine, Anthony Edwards, 8, LeBron James, 7, Kevin Durant. And I got six Anthony Davis. Again, you're giving the LeBron sloppy toppy. I understand it.

We've talked about it. That's fine. Other than that, no wishes here. We're all going to have similar names from now on so we can roll into the next ones. Don't know who you got. At 10, I have Wembe, nine, I have AD. Eight, I have Anthony Edwards. Nine, I have Anthony Edwards.

I, I said that back with seven, I have Kevin Durant at six, I have Steph Curry. Oh, man, you are glazing even more than me when it comes to Steph Curry. You're both giving a slop. It's fine. No, he's giving more slop, though. His slop is more. You're going to slop for slop, either way, it's soft. It's fine.

At 10, I have Victor Wimbenyama, a clean sweep with Naitam. He's a top 10 player. Nine, Steph Curry, where he should be, I think. Eight, Anthony Edwards. Seven, Anthony Davis. Six, Kevin Durant. Okay. Okay.

Whimby's the top 10 player, y'all. It's finally here. It's official. Y'all on the comments are going to see this and be like, the Wemby Glaze is crazy. Because you guys are always saying shit like that because he's the next hot thing to hate on. I get it. You probably have the mental image.

of him in the first 10 games shooting a lot of jump shots and missing them and not looking pretty and you're like well he hasn't made the leap he's a bus blah blah blah blah

I understand you but me I have the privilege of watching the last 12 games in which he's still shooting a lot of jumpers but those motherfuckers are going in

a lot he has truly made the leap he has been amazing first 10 games he averaged 18 points 10 rebounds 2.4 assists 28% from 3

and 42% from the field yuck it was terrible but in the last 11 games 28 points 10 rebounds 5 assists 36% from 3 on 10 per game 50% from the field

84% from the free to line 3 blocks per game 10 3s a game at 36% while leading the league in blocks by a ton being the runaway DPOI there's no conversation we're not having a DPOI debate there's no talk online in traditional media on TV anywhere because it's a foregone conclusion

that this man is a DPOI before the season, I said I don't think he's going to get it because the spurs are going to be kind of mid and I don't think the team would be good enough. They are a top 10 defense because he is taking a leap in every single defensive skill. He is by far the best defensive player in the league right now while being a ridiculous

high volume stretch big while shooting 80% at the rim being an instant bucket down there. Everything you guys want to see early in the season, everyone wants to get your big ass in the paint and hit these dungs, do all the stuff. He's doing that too, just not as much as you like, I guess. unstoppable as a lob threat he can tack guys out the dribble

Finch through that length Ridiculous high volume shooter Everything I said about Chad Holgren And why he needs to be top 20 Because he not only shuts down the rim But stretches the court out And does all that stuff Wimby does all those same things

To an even greater degree He's better to chat Than at everything He is a top-hand player You might be able to go higher By the end of the year Once those averages come up Yeah I can see him go as high

As like 7 I'll say six I'll say six There's a world where he could be right there with Anthony Davis. Equal player by the end of the season. If the last 11 game stats that I said persist and you're watching this in two months and his season averages are 25, 10, and 5,

again, I didn't even gloss over that part. He doubled his assist, five assists per game. He's also a good passer that makes people better and knows how to use his size and advantages and create shots for others a little bit. Once the scoring bag comes up a little more and he develops more the in-between game has a little more strength and creates off the dribble a little bit more, He's going to be a top five player maybe next year or the year after that. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you said everything I needed to be said about Anthony about a victory or Miami. And they're still going to cause glazers. I don't care. I'll glaze in peace. I'll take that to the chin. Leave me alone. Let me glaze in peace.

Give me more. Yeah, I mean, is there any argument for him not to be top 10? Is there anything holding him back or is it like clear his day that he's one of the most impactful players? No, I think even if he was the player that he was like offensively last year. but you get this this year's defense that's still top 10 yeah the defense is way better people were like nobody really pays attention to his like these skills because he's this big block shot guy last year he was a block shot merchant a little bit he had some flaws some you know he can knock him off spots a little bit he didn't always have the best discipline in pick and roll

sometimes he missed the rotations rookie shit that's gone he's a truly locked down defender exactly so it's y'all y'all had what a week and a half where it was Chet's and the Wembe decade of DPOY's wasn't going to start. Chet's hurt now, so it's officially started. You know, like he's going to win the next five. And it would honestly be shocking to me if anybody other than Wembe or Chet won DPPY over the next decade. I know.

What's also interesting is, you know, he had that slow start and it got better. You would think that like his numbers would balance out and be relatively similar. He's still improved in every offensive way and then people pretend he didn't. He's shooting 10% better at the rim, even counting that slow start. That's not. 10% better at the rim, 80%. He is shooting 3% better on mid-range and 1% better from 3, even with the slump. Yeah.

So, like, he's just gotten better in every measurable way counting a slow start. Like, by the time the season ends, his numbers are going to be ridiculous. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Someone like Bunby just so fascinating. I'm just curious to see, last year you kind of hung your head. had on like yeah next year he's probably when at the end of next year you're like he's probably going to be able to look Anthony Davis in the eyes which we can all agree he can look him in the

eyes right now but as a matter of fact like that offensive consistency and how much prowess he'll be able to gain but in the season he can definitely do that yeah do it for longer than 12 games because we know the defense is going to be what it is I don't have him higher just because it's only 12 games maybe a three point shot goes back to not being good he hasn't been super consistent thus far so that's a swing factor but we try to tell you second team all NBA that's on the way that's on the way oh he's so tough or who else Anthony Edwards how do y'all feel about ants placement we all have in top 10 how are you feeling about it I kind of felt like he should have been higher I think there's been slight disappointments in

this game obviously at the start of the year everyone's like oh my God what's going on with Anthony Edwards is he was taking like 10 12 3s a game that's outrageous compared to where he was last year he's like doubling his three-point rate what's going on and were freaking out all of us were freaking freaking out or at least me and donald were freaking out and right okay he's smacking these pitches though so i guess that really doesn't fucking matter on top of that too the defense is elite um overall like good yeah not consistently elite for say overall he's having a good season and he's gotten better but one thing that's like been so disappointing to me is just the decision making and supernatural reads that if you're a downhill

demon as like I guess I'm using Jason Tatum as an example because there's real reasons why Jason Tatum is a much better player than he was last year two years ago and so on and so forth is because he's been able to make hit him make the right play just in general it doesn't involve it doesn't have to involve him putting the ball in the basketball or even attempting to it's like hitting the right guys in their specific corners or the wings and whatnot and Anthony Edwards, I think just the actual skill and the ability to pass is like a genuine weakness. Yeah, he's having a bad

passing season. Yeah. He has currently 3.9 assists per game down from 5 and a half last year and 3.2 turnover per game. So almost an even assist to turnover ratio, that's terrible. And, you know, that can be for a lot of reasons. Mike Connie's regressed heavily. We need more and more playmaking from Ant which hasn't been adjusting too well. The spacing's

worse now with Julius Randall instead a cat. He needs to get better as a passer. but y'all the man was one of the better slashes in the league and now he shoots 42% from 3 on 10 attempts per game people moaned and groaned about it because

NBA ratings are down because I'm tired of watching 3s now the best athlete in the league is shooting 3 like everybody else yada yada yada yada sure if you think it makes ant more boring cool you're entitled to that opinion me I think it makes him a fucking incredible player because he's 42% from 3 on 10 attempts per game

that's not just a good shooting season that's not just a slight shooting leave all time he is one of the best shooters in the NBA yeah while being a downhill demon while having the ability to turn it on and defend it at a high level at any moment while having the ability to hit turn around fades like that and having in between game just a godly score that if the passing comes around and he becomes a Jason Tatum level pass like you said then that's a top four or five player like it's it's you can't keep mad at the top 10 despite any weaknesses right now yeah i agree I agree.

Yeah. No, it makes sense. I don't really have anything else to say. You guys covered it all. How do you feel like Kevin Durant? You have my number seven? I think KD is amazing. I think the KD is now transitioned into a period in his career where Kevin Durant's underrated.

Yeah. Yes. I love that. I love that. You know, like KD. KD is still going to keep for, he's just like Curry where until Steph retires, it's not going to be a better shooter than Steph Curry. There's not going to be anybody who.

can go out and get 27 points easier than Kevin Durant. He just wakes up and it's, it's on the stat. It's on the stat sheet. And that is like, that's always going to be there. The development in his game as a defender over the last couple of years, it's wild. And it's like, Phoenix needs him. It's not, it's not just like a luxury. Like, oh yeah, KD's, you know, he's playing defense.

That's great. They need Kevin Durant to be a defender. They need him to be that level of guy for their, team to work. And the fact that Kevin Durant is like 36, 37 years old and is now number one option, right? Best defender on the team. Right. Best defender on the team. Best defender. Best defender. Best passer on the team a lot of nights. It's, it's wild. It's wild that that development has gone. So honestly, again, I, I've been Steph better for years now. So I was never going to do that. But like, but if you wanted, but like, if you had, if you flipped them and you had KD at six and

step at seven, whatever, it's 100% justified because Kevin is amazing. Yeah. His ability, like, he knows exactly how to use his length defensively.

It's crazy. Like, his movement is so precise that when he's roaming, he can rotate and just, like, shut off drives and just turn the water off. Yeah.

So well, by barely moving, just like sliding over, using his length and just being everywhere. Like, his defensive awareness is a thousand times better than wasn't he was young.

And he has that old man instinct to know how to use his size and, like, he doesn't jump defensively. He doesn't sprint defensively. He just kind of slides back and forth. He stretches them arms. Yeah, the wing span.

Covering so much ground. And it's just a very smart basketball player that he's never been a low IQ player. But when he was young, it was skill, ability, crazy size. Nobody talked about his basketball IQ. But he is the type of player that every year he's gotten smarter and smarter. And you see that ability to like collect that and make you a better player in the same way we talk about 2018 LeBron. He's just way smarter than he wasn't. He was young.

KD has made that same type of mental hurdle, a jump. as he got older. Especially, yeah, exactly, and especially, like, post-Aquillies. And obviously, like, obviously, he's returned to a level that probably nobody's ever returned to post-acquillies. Like, for him to be able to do that. And even afterwards, he still had seasons where you're like, is Kevin Durant? Like, the MVP?

Like, that's wild. Like, that 21 season in Brooklyn, he was hooping. It was wild. So, obviously, there's going to be a level of athleticism that declines, but to move into that space and now really understand, like, like, yeah, I'm not going to move round you watch 2014 highlights of Kevin Durant he is shifting it's crazy herkin jerk is wild

the fact that he can do the stuff where I'm going to be the old man at the park and I'm just going to take two steps over here put my arm here and it's going to be in the right spot that's that's crazy and the sons without Kevin Durant they look kind of lost

yeah especially especially with Devon Booker having a down year yeah hi man shout out Katie Shout out Katie. This is a KD respecting podcast. Maybe it hasn't always been that, but it is now.

Let's move on to the top five. What a heel turn. I'm sure we're going to be in lockstep. So we'll reveal all the top five at once. At five, I have Shay, four I have Tatum, three I have Luca, two I have Janus, and one I have Yokch. Okay. I guess I'm saying this from me and Donovan. At five, we have Tatum, four we have Say, three, Luca, two, Janus, one Yokich.

Y'all love some aura. Jesus Christ. Oh, he's so tough. This is the Shea versus Tatum conversation. Oh, y'all are in love. You love a schemes ad. Tatum's better than Shay. I mean, I love Shea.

He's great. Tatum is an actual great, great impactful versus a defender. Shea is good for a guard, very good for the scheme where they ask their guards to be very active, very important in the passing lanes, just really intense effort. He does it. He's very good in that way. Better than most star guards. Tatum is a good defender, not just for a guard.

He has a crazy defensive impact. his decision making is much better than Shea. She is not a good passer. Shea is straight up not a good passer. Jadab is a better passer. He's not horrible, but he's not making high-level reads. He's not passing people open, doing much of anything in that regard. Tatum went through hell being the only passer on the roster for a while

and molded by heat and fire and flames, he's become a good passer. He makes good skip passes. He can hit cutters. Legit above average passer, probably second best position after Lebron James. and scoring. She is probably better. He has the in-between games. But it's not enough better

to make up for all the other stuff I just mentioned. But I get it. He's hot. But so is so with Tatum's, so I don't know. I get it. You think he has more aura,

so you got to pick them above them. I understand. There's good voice. Tatum talks real boring so you hear Shea and you're like, ooh, that raspy and it's a guest to me. And Tatum's, we did it.

And you don't think he's cool. I get it. It's got light skins over dark skin. It's a lot of colorism. It's a lot of colorism. That's really all this is. But I think... You got muted, Shea.

No. For Shea, it is the score. Taylor never got out muted. How about that? It is, it's the, it's the scoring that I look at for Shea, that, uh, that's kind of the boost. Yeah. And yeah, go ahead. I will say I agree with you.

And I give so, I give Tatum so much admiration when it comes to the leaps that he's made as a playmaker, it feels like Tatum has damn near eclipsom, I wouldn't say, all right, that Shay's worse as a playmaker, but. He's much worse. Come on. But I can say, like, yeah, Tatum, that's no longer, that's no longer a hole in Tatum's gaming. That was one of the biggest things, decision making was one of the biggest things that, like,

kept him outside of, like, these upper echelon conversations. And I was one of the loudest on the podcast last year and on the streams, too, that, yeah, like just nothing on the court outside of defense that I can look at and be like yeah Tatum is more valuable and ashamed of this aspect now in these conversations if you want to say Tate is better I used to go tooth and nail about this I don't anymore and that's because all the gaps are closed the only one that still makes me feel like yeah I I value this a little bit more than Tatum right now as you speak is the ability to genuinely like you know I'm not I'm not usually like this but his ability to get buckets and how tough they are to get

And it's not, but it's not like, it's not like lamella ball get buckets where it's like, all right, we're just going to go, go, go. Yeah. To efficiently get buckets and be in that upper echelon of bucket getter, that's like all-time stuff in the fact that he can do that and get 30. And even like for the rest of his team, you look at like the playoff run from last year. J-Dub didn't have a good run. Chet had, you know, the rookie wall and stuff.

Shea's going in every single night and getting, you know, 31, 5 and 5 on great efficiency, being a good defender. And that's all time stuff. That's the ability to get those buckets is all time stuff. That's great. The efficiency once he gets him is all time stuff. And I'm just like, that's not enough for me to bump up Tatum over him. I get it.

He's so tough. His tween pulls are beautiful. I understand. Tatum's better and more skills in basketball that matter. I got to get it. Yeah. I see Tatum and he, this is the most complete, he's one of the most complete NBA players, probably the most complete player.

The NBA has to offer, at least in his list so far. and I can give him If you want to give him that bump, cool But when I think about just like I'm a big fan of Superpowers, and Shea has one of the best Superpowers, I don't want to say that you've seen in a long time

Because Kevin Durant exists You know, Chris Paul exists With his fucking mid-ranging I'm shit like that too But seeing Shea reach those feats Which we don't see that often He got it. Tate is defensive versatility

Is a superpower He is, he's morphed into Draymond Green Light He can check two through five And if he switches them to a one, you're not exactly saying, ooh, kill him, expose him. He can defend ones we need to. Like, his ability to beat the Swiss Army knife

and have, they had the most, utmost ridiculous lineup of restatility because they have someone like KPU, you know, be the big guy and shoot threes, but because they have Tatum, who every title contender needs a power forward that can be an elite defender that can check three through five.

You know, you look at PJ Washington, PJ Tucker when he's on the bucks, Aaron Gordon, all these guys. It's a almost crucial lineup need for tender Jason Tatum is that while also being your best offensive player

and he has no problem keeping with the versatility and energy on both ends of the ball that is just you know there's no more valuable it's like Janice in the two-way intensity

but he does it with his type of skills you know it's different in that way but Shea is not giving you that defensively it's not even close I can I can say that

Tatam's not giving you with She's giving you offensively in the playoffs I can say that. I can say that in the cup game that we just saw when Shea's shot isn't falling, not giving you a ton of impact. In the finals, when Tatum, his shot isn't falling,

giving you lots of impact. His many ways to impact the game. Everybody's going to have off nights. Tatum can still do things. Let's keep our conversations from April to June. I'm not talking about the cup. I'm not using that in this argument right now. Any off night.

Everybody will have off nights. Granted, She doesn't have a lot of them. So I'm not. Exactly. I get it, but he has all nights. You're talking about hypotheticals. No, I'm not. We saw it yesterday.

He saw last night. He's on every single night. We just watched it. You went to sleep. He didn't really say. First of all, first of all, no, no, no, no. He should himself to sleep last night.

First of all. First of all. He's told me hurt. He went to the bathroom. We didn't see him again, bro. I came down here and I laid down in the bed. What did you do before that? Huh?

I went to the restroom. But I came back and I just had to. laid down. I had the phone. I had the game on my phone. I came down here to start the fourth quarter and I checked on you. You were fast asleep. I was not down. I was watching all my guys were closed. You were asleep. You didn't know I was down. I was watching. I saw you walk down here. He was fucking liar. He was not watching that shit. The second time I came down, you woke up and you saw me. That was the second time though. You were knocked the fuck out. Shiter.

Not people will sit up here and talk about what I see my perception you know what I'm saying you were fast to sleep you don't know what I was so I used all was toilet paper

before you went to sleep no he burned the mental image of wet wipes is look at this one I'm actually

upset because nobody has more issues with their bowels than me and he's not going to sit here and put this on me

every time before streams you and me are ready Moe comes on the stream five minutes two minutes before oh shit I could post the text he's like oh sorry I'm in the rest

I'm in the rest of me I'll be on in five minutes we don't we don't hear from from 30 minutes because he has issues you're not going to put that label on me all right we're not we're not going to do that everyone has their moments

sad to say last night and you have your moment every every day we record you have that issue oh my god my stomach hurts i got a oh anyways as i was saying shake it's bucket at a high level in the playoffs i appreciate that and that's why i'm going with that over tatum and i think that tatum is in a great situation and why and like he can have off nights and they are still going to they're still going to win and it's it's okay and i think that you are correct part of that is because he can go and play a lot of defense but If Shea's going to come out in the playoffs and average 30 and do that on high efficiency, I need that.

You talk about teams needing this insanely versatile, power forward to play defense and do all that. You also need a reliable number one option offensively to win. Good thing, Tatum's both. Good thing he's both. Good thing you average is 28 points per game, 60% true shooting while also being that defensive player. Good thing he's both. He just is. It's fine.

Yeah, that's why they gave Jalen Brown. finals because Tatum was out here hooping. Oh no. You want to chip. Oh, no. Listen. Tatum, shout out to you. Right.

You have made improvements in your game. He asked a question a couple months ago saying what they're going to say now. Exactly what I'm saying right now. You got through last year. You didn't have your shot was messed up. The shot looks back right now. I'm very curious. Let me see.

Let me see you in April again. That's, that's it. But as for, let me see you win a championship again as a best player on the team. Like he failed. You don't, you know,

he asked the question, what they're going to say now? I'm, I'm answering the same thing. I'm answering, I'm answering the, the question. And your answer is,

we're going to say the same shit because we don't care about the outcome. No, no, no. No. And first of all, no matter what.

You're sitting here acting, acting like, oh yeah, the ring, the ring solves, solve everything with, like, with everybody else.

whether they won a ring, whether they won the game or not, you are going to sit and dissect everything that they do in the game and talk about the process. I'm saying offensively, the process for Tatum last year was jacked up. It wasn't, though. What I said last year, did I not say he should have been finals MVP? It was not good. I am very consistent here.

I said very clearly he should have been finals MVP. But do you understand why he wasn't? Yeah, bullshit. That's why he didn't want it. Bullshit. He wanted to the voters. Love the aesthetics of watching Jaylon Brown lock up Lugo one-on-one. Like he's fucking prime Dennis Rodman.

and he had a good start to the series and that was burning people's brains by the time it got to the end and when Tatum had the good games it was already decided people weren't looking for and why was it decided because people

because Jayla Brown was out here setting up the table he wasn't though Tatum was setting the table and Jaylon Brown was the beneficiary they were out there in Dallas right game on the line

it's getting tight who's out there taking the shot making it he is the beneficiary of Tatum setting up everything for the team while Jaylon Brown has the easiest most cushiest role in the entire your NBA.

Jaylon Brown said, don't worry about that. Don't worry about that little, bro. I got you. Nobody gives a fuck if Jaylon Brown plays good or bad. It's all on Tatum. Jaylon Brown is a best job in the entire league. I can understand your all around point when he comes to Tatum. I just view Shays.

I would love to show up to work. Ability to be one of the greatest shot makers in the league. And I just put that over to him for now. Now, if Tatum, I don't need no time to see if his shot is really it or worth this passing. You're like, this is who he is at his best. I've seen shades of all this stuff throughout the entirety of his career. Absolutely.

But with shade, just for right now, I think that's shot making really. I evaluate a little bit more than the all-roundness for Tatum right now. Just for now. So guys, 36 and 5 plus defender gets to the free throw line at will. 36 and 5? Yeah. I was like, what? No, he's 14, 10, 11, right?

Oh, no, 28 points on 60% shooting. What a fuck? We're talking like Tatum isn't a bucket getter. He's 28 points versus 30. He's not the Bucky Gitter that she is. Sure. The gap there is much smaller than all the other stuff. The defense gap is massive.

I don't, I guess, yeah. I guess we're talking about like his overall versatility. I can see Tatum guard. Versatility, scalability, portability. I can see Tatum guard traditional fours and fives at times and you don't ever want to see say in that position. You see saying that position, you're fucking panicking because that's overtaxing with that point. And with Tatum, there's no real such thing as overtaxing.

Yeah. And again, we act like he had this horrific run because a three-point shot wasn't falling. I get it as ugly. He was still a downhill demon, still a great pass. He still a great defender. He played very well. You don't win the championship without Tatum playing well. It's impossible.

The team is good because he is the engine. Again, he has the best possible supporting cast for him to be the engine. But it does live and die by Tatum because it's more than just scoring. I understand that. That's the tiebreaker. I'm taking, I, I, I want, yeah, for me, and I want Shays, I want Shays scored. I want, I want, I want the fact that I can have a two-way, two-way guard who can score at the level that he does as efficiently as he does. And I will take that eight times out of ten over Tato.

That's, that's, that's, Tim, you just got to get cooler. You got to get a, if you had a raspy voice and you actually had some one-liners and the IG posts, if you can put that shit on better, they'll give you top three. no you got to get your game up you're not cool enough i'm sorry you'll never get the credit you deserve not this man fumbled question is there anything that either these guys could do to surpass lucca nope really nothing if tait if tato can get to like shay's level scoring no probably not i mean lucas the top three but only got to talk about it they're generational luka had a rough start he's back best offensive player in the game right neck and neck with yokitch he's not what these he's not a good defender obviously so he's not going to be better than yannis

to us because yonis is also honestly he doesn't get the credit for this he's probably the best score in the NBA he is truly unstoppable good defender good passer yo gets one needs to be said yeah i agree there's nothing that shade and tatum could do you can combine these guys and i'm as dragging it but there's nothing that's michael jordan yeah there's nothing that you guys can do to look tatem and to look look look at the eyes and you could see that these guys are on their level There's like a tier system, and Yokic, Yonis and Luka are that, and then it's separate. Well, Yokic is in a tier by himself. Then Yonis and Luca at the Tad Mshay.

Yeah. I agree. I think Yonis is probably in Yokich's stratosphere. But he's not. He's not. He's closer to, I think Yonis is a little bit closer to Yokish than he is Luca. Yeah. I think those two guys are.

You can say that he's still not. Okay. Yokish is his own tier, Yonis's his own tier, Luca's own tier, and then Tademich's own tier, and then Tademich is a clear, the top three guys are clearly delineated, I think. okay and that's our list y'all and how are you feeling better than last year

yeah yeah genuinely this list I was upset at y'all last year because we can we see the vision when they went jolland beats up last year yeah because he was pissed well we were right you had joel and beat at eight last year he was the MVP

obviously he got hurt and this what and get why that why did I put him at eight he got hurt I put him at eight because he gets hurt and then what happened he got hurt

I told y'all I literally told y'all the truth about this man Kevin Greggis hasn't played it Yonis hasn't played a playoff series in two years He's the reason and getting hurt is the reason they don't win And what the fuck is he had to Because that's true

Guess what he did when he did play and when he was healthy How many years ago? Won a ring How many years ago? 50 in a closeout game That is true too For 16 And B has never been to the conference finals

Damn What's the To the conference finals What's the thing about the old days? I mean they're the fucking old days Yonis hasn't been available in two years Again I'm not holding it back.

I admit to. But the fucking double standard with Joelle and B is hilarious. He's never made it to the conference finals. Are you engaging his career and his accomplishments or who he is as a player today? He's just top 30 last year.

Even last year, guess what? They made it to the same spot. They were both home by the end of the second round. And Joel and beat his dinged for it but not Yannis because we don't care if it's not Juelan B. We only hate on him.

He's the one that gets bullied where everybody else gets a pass. Kevin Durant, you're hurt every seven days. Who's playing this year? We don't care. Who's playing this year? I didn't raise Jol and me this year. Exactly.

Can't even be on a top 30 list because he's not playing. I told you he didn't play last year. That's why I dropped him. Guess what? He didn't play. I told you that he falls apart. He was in the playoffs last year. Couldn't beat Jalen Brunson, right?

You guys were like, oh my God, he dropped 50. Was scared, shying away from the moment of taking a 12-foot jumper. Don't talk to me about Joelle and B. Don't talk to me about anything that he's been doing. Because he hasn't been out here. He's not even on my list. You're lucky. You're lucky.

You're lucky. And that's why the Sixers and all of their fans are going to be in poverty and in pain for the next decade because they have Joelle and B as their franchise player. I wasn't even trying to go here, but I was trying to compare him to Janus. Yonis has a ring, multiple time MVP, all of this stuff. Don't put them in the same stratosphere. Are we gauging what these people did three years ago? Are we gauging how good they are today?

Today, Joel and B can't walk up the stairs. Johnny's out here. We're not talking about... That was about last year, not necessarily. We're talking about last year. Last year you were being unfair a little bit. Because, again, hindsight, he got... We know that now he's not going to be in the list

because the degenerative issues have continued to get worse. But the point of these lists should not be... And you... Who you want six months from now. We have to talk about who we're on the court. Joel last year was averaging 35 points per game before he got from. He was a clear... He went on an insane tear.

And again, everybody else gets context and gets the ability to rationalize the injuries are the injury issues. We understand. It's a down. side. It sucks. But we're going to talk about who he is in the court because what matters in the day is the ability. Everybody gets that grace except Joelle and Bede. You're like, you're bitch

made. You can't stand on the court. I can't have you on my team. That's, no. Why is Quai Lennar not on your list? Who he hasn't played a single game? So why the fuck would I rank him? But you know what Kauai can be when he's on the court, right? No, I don't know because he hasn't played a game. Same reason I didn't put Joelle in Bede. I don't know what he is right now. I knew what he was last year. I knew what he was very clearly. It was the MVP.

Even Quaii last year. did when do i even play last year i don't even remember how many games do you play not much he went out early too yeah not much and i think we ranked him because he played enough games he was on our loose last year we're talking about last year now yeah y'all this is the top list demonized me because i always bring y'all y'all are ridiculous you know because y'all think that it's like 2k injuries off and we're just like simulating the season when it's like it's a clear it's a clear ability to be able to stay on on the court and at least least at least in those seasons that Janus was hurt in the in the

playoff run he put the bucks in a position to where the bucks were like could actually do something throughout throughout the year you know what was he available like I mean he's still it's just a double standard he's still doing that and he and he and he's still here and so same logic if Janus gets hurt again in the future are you going to say it's hindsight or oh this is a third year in a row there's a pattern maybe I should lower him like I'm not saying you should lower Janus I'm saying if you were so alarmed by Joelle and B You're not even a little bit alarmed by yon.

He might be, he might be, look, you don't know. Well, you got him at two, so if you're an alarm, you are glazing and not showing it. You don't know. Listen, it is what it? TikTok time, let's get straight to it. Let's go to TikTok time. That was ridiculous. Welcome to TikTok time.

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from NBA players who were drafted in the 2018 NBA draft stacked class one of my favorite draft classes. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What happened? You got first pick? Yeah. Mo had first pick last time. He went to third.

I had second pick last time. See, they said I had first pick last time. What are you talking about? I'm the third pick last time. I thought you just said five minutes ago that I had first pick. You can't hear. I said, I have first pick. You have a first pick.

Yeah, Isaac had third pick last time. You've been here. Understand, Isaac is still upset about the argument that we just had dropped me down to two. You were third last time. Were you not? I was told that I had first. You were told nothing of the sort.

You have selected hearing. I was lying to me. Bamboozled, led us straight. Run him up. He was not. This is pure fiction. But you guys know how it goes. We draft point guard through center.

Only criteria is they have to be selected in the 2018 draft. Okay. Let's do it. That's crazy. I really didn't say that. Like, you showed up just did not hear me. You really did. You really did.

I did not. Okay. So, let's draft NBA lineups with 2018 players. First pick. Give me Luca Donchette, obviously. The reason Donovan's mad, give me Luca. Recoup Luca was stolen from me

Luca was not stolen from him at all But it's okay I will take The current fourth best player In the NBA Shea Gilgis Alexander That is so specific Okay

You put a point guard or shooting guard Uh Put him out of my point guard right now Okay Listen the obvious top two picks Are out the way Where are you going on to turn All right

You want your mans I know you want your mans Point guard naturally Give me Trey Young Nice picking a point guard We already had our love to see it and because of scarcity reasons give me Mitchell Robinson the best

center available right now not a lot of very bleak okay you can have them okay what do I want to go with this you need a great defenseer Andre you guys you guys said that this guy kind of looks like me I'm gonna take my twin no give me McKell Bridges that's the real scarcity there is no one's here give me McKell Bridges damn at my three okay that is unfortunate i really really really wanted him well uh give me dandre aiden i'll take a big man there is others listen aton's terrible right now for the trail bless years i'll put him in a better program i'll get the most out of i'll save him i can fix him i promise you i can fix him and then am i too give me dante de vincenzo okay okay imagine lucca firing to the corner with

dante in the corner dante's a brick this season so i'll let you wrong not on my program he's Not next to Luca Dodgers, he's not. Dante with a O. You know what? There's not really, I got defense at 3. You have no defense really in your back court. Dante has been kind of hit or miss. Trey's already your guard.

Let's do this. Pushet at my two. Okay. Because I'm getting my guy. I want Jalen Brunson at my point guard position. Okay. I just want buckets and buckets. That's a lot of buckets.

Okay, that's fair. I like that. That's how long are your team? Let's how I'm on my team, on your team. All right, at the four, I'm focusing on defense. Again, I got Trey Young on my team. So give me Jaron Jackson, Jr. Oh, fuck, I forgot about Jaron.

Dummy! He sold. He got Dante DeVincenzo. There we go, bro. There we go. Now, that right there, you'd be yapping too much, brother. This is what happens, huh? Hey, you better not sell.

You got, your team is good right now. I did not get blessed. If you sell, this would be the ultimate sell. I did not get blessed. Relax, brother. if you sell this would be so embarrassed you relax brother man okay so for the sake of defense

on my team listen my my front court amazing I love it probably the best front court out of this whole bunch right now okay so to recoup for the defense again

that trium provides just little to none at my two go ahead and give me d anthony mountain okay nice greedy defender nice 3 and D guy Damn man

How did I forget about Jaron There we go Let's see I have listen I have Mikhail He can shoot a little bit I have Shay Bucket Brunson Bucket

I need somebody who I can just say Go be a demon Defensive demon at my 4 I would like Jared Vanderbilt At my 4 Oh no spacing Okay PU what's that smell

No shooting He does cook your spacing a little bit, depending on your five is. Don't care. You know, I missed that on Jaron. I'm not building a good offensive team. I'm moving Dante to the three. Give me Anthony Simons at shooting guard. Let me do that Kyrie Lucas type of thing with Simons instead.

Stop, stop, misspelling my white boy's name. Your defense is absolutely cooked. And then the power forward, listen, I'm going all in an offense. Give me another good passer. Give me Bruce Brown. We're running up in Nellicourt, offensive-oriented team. What type of team is this? Okay.

Lucas, Simon. Diamonds, Dante, Bruce, and Aidman. We're getting buckets. You guys sold. Who do we sell for? Oh, man, we sold so bad. He's going to win. He got this one.

And I don't even know because, like, you know what? We're just going to run out here. What are you talking about? I don't know if I want to, I don't know if I want to do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. I don't know if I want him on your team. You just want to make my day worse.

You don't want him on your team. I don't. Why would you do that? Do it. Do it. You know what, listen, we're going to play small ball. Oh, my God. We're going to put Jared Vanderbilt at the five.

Oh, my God. Because at my four, I would like Michael Ford. You don't even want him on your team. Michael is going to worse. I want Michael Porter. You guys are selling, yes. I just can't let you have. Oh, my God.

You don't even believe in Epic for real. You just want to destroy my team. We sold. I can't let them have that. I forgot everybody that's a 2018, I guess. I had the list in front of me, could not read. I'm a little. I just couldn't let him have that.

I completely forgot about these big guys. Oh my gosh. My team is asked, I'm glad you're not happy. You know, I'm so happy. My team is still like the best, even though I'll have one less player,

but, ah, okay, so. Listen, you put us in a Rising Stars Challenge? This is great. This is awesome.

Trey, Melton, Jaron, and Mitch. I have a few options where I can go here. He sold so badly. I totally forgot. And the,

Crazy part is like, I looked at it and I was like, okay, Jaron, what happened was, I thought that Jaron was going to be gone before he got to me. So I just dismissed it. Damn. Well, at this point in time, the best player available for me is Kevin Herder. Nice. He already has natural chemistry, Trey, a little bit of a defensive, you know. Your small one through three, but your, your, your front court is fine.

Front court is great. I don't like that Melton, Kavana, two, three, calls. No, but I don't like Bruce Brown, Donty Divensingon, Simon's. You need to do what the fuck? Bruce Brown. My team's ass, too, bro. You think I like MPJ and Vando? I messed up.

Well, Loki, I have Luca. I have a hell of shooters. You just have a roller man. I got Luca shooters and a row man. I think my team might be competent. I don't know. I don't know, man. You think Ait's going to be happy?

Ooh, you think Ains going to be happy with Luca? He wanted to kill CP3. He's going to be spoon-fed buckets. Yeah, he's going to be happy. He didn't like that, though. Yeah. He didn't like that, though. Like, tough shit.

It's my program. I'm a better coach. And he's going to be paling for you. He's not going to be happy. We get the most out of them. Figuring it out is just trading agent. I'll trade here for Time Lord. Okay.

So this is the worst team I've ever drafted. Nice. I completely forgot about it. Yeah, I was thinking about getting Time Lord. I were coming to show this. All right, Alias, audio listeners. I got Trey Young. Do you.

Don't care. Next video we're going to do. Come on. Herter. Charon, Jr. and Mitchell Robinson. We're off that shit. No more drafts ever again

They want to talk about me when I'm asked But when I'm good They don't want to say none Noticing The next thing we're gonna do Let's do something fun I have some NBA transformations To show you guys

So players who completely reworked Either their body, their hairstyle Their look over the years They look like a different person So I'm gonna show you two transformations You're gonna tell me which one was crazier Okay Who had them more

Who it was? Okay You threw out of my rhythm I'm locked, dude So many these transformations You can believe you threw off our rhythm So which transition was more Or which NBA transformation

Was Which NBA transformation? Whoa It's a different topic What we're talking about? Which NBA transformation was crazy first off Janus or Kevin Love

It's easily Kevin Love Like Yonis just ate three meals a day And like he got big Like that's fine Kevin Love went from the Pilburd doughboard To like GQ men That's that's a difference

Yon is just 17 GQ man you just think he's handsome Didn't he get like sexiest man alive in sports or something Like he's routine in the body issues He legitimately became one of like The better looking dudes in sports where Yonis just, he just aged. You don't get it.

To white people, he is Kelly Ubre. He is the standard. He is. He is the standard for white men in the NBA. I guess, but it's a lot harder in my mind to bulk as much as Yonis did while like literally gaining no fat. No, it's Yonis. Yonis' body transformation is ridiculous. They're going to study him and body-hub chats.

Do you know how much protein that man had to eat? All of it. Do you know how much protein he had to eat? Just really think about it. All they gave him was rice, ground beef, protein shakes. That's it. Kevin Love that's a that's a different person what are you talking about that's a different that's a different person he grew up he had a chin strap beard right was all big and pudgy he looks like an offensive line in there he looks like a trucker exactly yeah he looks like a lot of things he went from a mountain dude drinker to a wine connoisseur Kevin Love transformation wins okay I'll give it to Kevin Love you got it you're next up Anthony Davis or CJ McCollum Andy Davis looks like Jordan from the Bernie Maxxio. Yeah, he does.

C.J. McCollum can looks like you. What are we doing? What are we doing? These are two late bloomers. This is both halfway through high school. So these aren't 10-year-olds. These are 16-year-olds. This is hilarious.

C.J. McCollum looks like he's nine years old. He looks like he, this is a trick-or-tree outfit that he has her right now, bro. Like, he's not hooping for real. You know what? Andy Davis grew more hair. Anthony Davis wins. Ooh, Ced McColling about the same look. Really?

No, Anthony Davis went from. like an undersized point guard to a fucking seven foot big man that's crazy what a crazy gross for halfway through high school AD gets it 80 wins I don't know you see them bowls right there

do you see how big those suits are those shorts are on Ced McCollum he still wears baggy shorts they're eating him though at that size that was the style those shorts are wearing him this is 2008 2009 all right we give it AD

80 that looks crazy 80 on the left looks like a like a baby bird he does look unrecognizable He looks like a small dinosaur. Yeah. He grew more hair. He has a, his beard is fuller. He has 15.

He has more muscle. It's a baby velociraptor. No, I'm saying then, CJ. Okay. Next one. Rudy Gobert or Steph Curry? Steph Curry has, um.

Steph Curry looks like a baby on the left. Yeah. That looks like a middle school. I mean, like a high schooler. That's a girl, man. The amount of mass that he was able to gain. Steph Curry looks so young that his first. nickname included the word baby in it like that alone exactly he doesn't like baby no more

it's just beer grown for for a go back baby face assassin baby face assassin you're right and they call him at he was like 28 years old when they were called him oh man 20 2015 he was 26 yeah that's crazy baby face assassin no facial hair yeah i'm going i'm going step current i was young yeah i'm fine with stuff i'm fine with stuff okay yeah pretty go bear's a not not not the big re-transition next one Stephen Adams or Marcus All Is Stephen Adams Really? But look at Markisaw's ass

Easily But Marcusalls aren't like Kevin Love type timing But even worse actually Nah that arm is a Vena sausage That looks crazy Zero definition See but you don't

But you don't see in this picture though Stephen Adams had no facial hair No tattoos The fact that he is now tatted up Full head of hair Full beard That right there is just a random rookie And then he turns into Aquaman

Like that's different Fratboy to go Vardine of Atlantis. That's, that's different. Yeah, he looks hilarious on the other side. Just look at that immature face. Marcus Hall. Listen, good, good transformation.

But he just been on P90X. That's weird. Stephen Adams said in. Hydroxy cut. Yeah. You know, flat tummy T, whatever. He's a Superman. He's a superhero.

I don't know. I don't know. I would lean towards Marcus all because there's a real work that you had to put in. Stephen Adams just had to get some fashion tips. Stephen Adams is probably the strongest player in the NBA right now cool beans that doesn't get you anywhere on my list to me

you know there's a lot of players get fit he beat up margassol let's go there let's talk about that who'd win in a fight right right right unless steven Adams put his hands on margonsol it might go down

Chris Anderson or James Arden see this is tough the battle of the mohawks but it's also probably Chris Anderson I get it I can't I gotta give it to James Hardin look how much that beard saved him the aura points he gained look at that so he was derma rolling have rosemary so now i got to give it to him no yes

but that beard was life-changing no the effectiveness of the transformation is not what we're talking about right who needed a transformation more is not the conversation whose whose transformation is crazy he has a mohawk not only is he fully tattered fully tattered with color tattoos that's tops that's true that's white privilege though of course he has color tattoos i'm sorry the color tattoos we're not showing it is what it is everybody has a different lot of life

I can't it's got to get your advantage can't put it in a vacuum so I'm going Chris Anderson all right Chris Anderson

it is Mike Bibby or Shaquille O'Neal Mike Biggie oh my God this is every grown man's dream right there

no I'm giving the Mike Bibby Shaq put on weight and got huge in the NBA he did the first profession it was necessary for him to be a star

Mike Bidby he was already retired he got big for the love the game. He got big as a hobby. I gotta give it to Mike Bibby. He looks gigantic. Big small man. That's crazy. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I know. Bro, he wants to make some, he wants to make Sam Campbell's chicken little soup. He just rips the top off with his hands. He's crushing watermelons. He's like 45 pushing 50 or something like that. And he can still punch a hole through

a punching bag. Is Mike Bibby. Yeah, I'm going Mike Bibby. I know he could wield Thor's hammer. He looks terrifying Okay Robert Ori or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar See y'all set me up Y'all set me up and I don't appreciate it That's crazy Because y'all have this

You had this stuff earlier in the show Where you guys would This is a downgrade Robert Horrie What the fuck happened, bro? Where did your aura go? You got a cool podcast I guess But god damn Is that how you're transitioning

To a new profession But come on Yeah Where'd your height go? Fuck I don't like that I don't like this Beard grown

That's it That's the meme He's the meme That's it All Kareem did was get old Robert or he just turned to a new person Yeah Definitely Robert Rory's a crazy one

The eye stayed the same though You can still see it Man next one That's the last one Just want to hold here for a little bit And really take some time to digest this Take a moment of silence. Let's say, yeah, yes.

And we're back. Sloop. Next thing we're going to do. I didn't sign up for this. I'm going to list some all-time NBA teams. And you're going to tell me which one is better. But these aren't all-time teams for a certain team or anything like that. There's some specific categories going on here.

Okay. Okay. So, first off, the all-time. Jenners and Kardashians versus the all-time Mohawk team. For the Jennings and Kardashians, we have Ben Simmons, Devin Booker, Lamar Odom, Blake Griffin, and Tristan Thompson. And for the Mohawks, you have James Hardin, Jeremy Lynn, Danny Green, Chris Anderson, and Dwight Howard.

Wait, Dwight Howard had a Mohawk? Yeah. He had a Mohawk in Houston. Oh, you're right. I think the one-two combo of James, but we've seen that before, and they were like fine. They were, James Hardin hated him. Yeah, and like, you could put,

like wherever channel Parsons was you could put that with like Danny Green obviously Danny Green's better but yeah I'm going I'm going that a Kardashian team for sure Like Kardashian team

Definitely the cooler team I'll say that You said there's Devin Blake And also Lamar Odom Yep Here I'll even put that team And Tristan Thompson Prime Tristan

Yeah that team washes That team definitely washes them I don't know That's facing with Ben Simmons Lamar Odom Blake Griffin and Tristan Thompson Yeah I think having Chris Anderson and Dwight

It's kind of weird Oh you're right Simmons does fuck shit up. But he's just the point guard, though. But I know your point guard not being with you, having him, Odom and Thompson and also Blake Griffin. It's a very like 1997 kind of roster where you have like one score, one shooter, everybody else is just out here. But I think talent beats all at the end of the day. I'm leaning towards the Kardashians.

The talent is just overwhelming. Listen, they have an eye for talents. over in the Jenner household. So we've got to go with them. I mean, yeah, they got a game plan, a blueprint to have a goal. I think he's going so well. All right. Yeah, I'll go with them.

Next up, we have the all-time NBA actors versus the all-time NBA rappers. And we got LeBron James, Ray Allen, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kareem, versus Damian Lillard, Lonzo Ball, LeBron, Kevin Durant, Shaq. There's a polar bear in Arlington. Who's that polar bear? Big Bala himself Lanzo Ball They might be the best rapper in the list We have to

No way You're right LeBron was big We have to go With the all-time actors Do we You know Steph Curry was a rapper At 1.2

What? Steph Curry was a rapper At one point Stop, no He didn't put out an album He didn't put out of I don't know He didn't have a league single

I'm okay Well who's better Are they better actors Are they better rappers In general? No LeBron the actor is good I got yeah that

Lebron the actor is good Have you seen Space Show? I'm not talking about that You ever seen Train wreck? Yeah, yeah He was great in Trainwright That is true I don't know, Shaq, Shaq can rap

Shack and rap better than he can't he actually Shaq and rap loki Shout out Bill Hader Shout out Bill Hader Shout out Barry Yeah So we're going with the actors Yeah, we're going with the actors

Really? The Raptors lineup is unfuckable though They got long involved Yeah they got big baller brand on their side Are you kidding? What are you talking about?

The actors have Shack and Kareem. Too big. They have LeBron, Michael Jordan, Shaq and Karee. We're not not picking them. Okay. Space 8. Next up, the all-time light-skinned lineup versus the all-time white lineup.

We got Jason Kidd, Steph Curry, Jason Tatum, Blake Griffin, Wembe, or Luca, Jerry West, Bird, Dirk, Yokic. All right, so Luca can handle Jason Kidd, obviously. They're both setting the table. West is not going to know. what to do with Curry. Oh, man. If, if, if, if Steph Curry, she didn't play back there in the 70s, it would have been witchcraft.

Blake can't guard Dirk and Yokic, Yokic obviously puts one B in a body bag, yeah. Jason Taney versus Larry Bird. Damn. What does that mean? Fuck. Are you signing with who I think you're signing with? Uh, I mean, it's not February, so we can. Yeah.

Yeah. The white boys got it. They got it today. I'm going with the all-time white team. Half of me wants to say that they don't have it, but then half of me literally have to say, oh, shit, maybe you have it. I'm not surprised.

I'm going with the one. She's disappointed. Yeah, it's all, it's the Lyskins. God damn. I was messing it. Okay. Next one, I'm getting this over here. We got the all-time NBA dads

versus the all-time NBA sons. So players who either have a son in the NBA or their father played the NBA. Got Gary Payton, Del Curry, Scottie Pippen, LeBron James, Bill Walton, versus Steph Curry, Devin Booker, Kobe Bryant, Jaron Jackson, DeMontas, Sabonis. Man, I'm never picking Sabonis in this. I'll take the father. Are you guys in Bill Walton's going to put him in a body bag?

He kills Sabonis. You don't think Jaron can hold LeBron? Those eyes. I don't know, they got Curry, Booker, Kobe. That is tough. Kobe? Pippin is locking down Booker.

Payton is giving Kobe a run for his money. He's just making things hard. Is Dale Curry going to guard stuff? Dale knows his son. He knows what he likes to do. He'll be a great communicator. You're right. Exactly.

So I'm, so Del could guard Curry. And then obviously, Brian is giving Jared nightmares and Bill Walton, Sabonis doesn't know what to do. Send him home crying? Yeah. Damn. No love for the youth.

That makes sense. You're so, you're so unk. Of course you're going to pick the dads. Yeah, that makes a little sense. I don't know why I even thought otherwise. Experience wins, man. Yeah, I get it. You love old man strength.

Next up, players named Jalen versus players who have beefed with Drake. Oh. All-time anti- Drake lineup. In the lineup, we got John Morant, DeMarion, DeMarion, DeMarion, DeLauze, Dillon Brooks, LeBron James, and Perkins versus Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brown, Jalen Rose, Jalen Johnson, and Jailen Duren. See, Jailen Dern. and Perk are just the complete opposite.

Really? Rock fight. All Perk does is just be big and play defense, no offense. All Jayland-Duron can give you is some type of offense, no defense. They're just big. They're just boxing down low, boxing each other out the whole time. And Perk might be more effective in that role. The players who have smoke with Drake, though, they have a certain edge to them.

They kind of fit, too. They seek beef. They do something to piss somebody off, clearly, as we see by the fact they're on this list. I think they're going to get under the Jaylin skin. The Jalen team is too soft. Too many pretty boys. No, listen, Jalen Rose is never scared of the smoke. DeMarter Rosen. Jalen Brown, he's trying to fight corporations.

I mean, you're right about that, yeah. Dylan Brooks would fight God if you could. Dylan Brooks has smoke for Zeus. He's running. Dylan Brooks would beef with anybody. Yeah, I ain't know why. This team would beef with Drake. They're just unlimited dog on that team.

You're right. Unlimited dog. All right, we will go with the players who beef with Drake. Yeah. Shout out G&X. This is so funny that the war behind all these. Kenjik Perkins says beef and Drake. Yeah.

What does Kendrick Perkins have to do with Drake? I don't know. I don't even know. I don't even remember. I was just looking up. I forget what it was. They were on TV. He said something about him and Drake clapped back in him. I forget.

Whenever. Perg just to be talking. You remember that one Bego's line? I think Quaywell said, you know, playing time. Kenjick Perkinson. Kendraperger's just swinging at rappers They all hate them

Okay last one We have players with a podcast Versus players with bald heads We got LeBron D-Wade Mello Katie Shack Versus Jason Kid Kobe Michael Jordan Kevin Garnett Kareem

That is tough Man these baldies are nice bro That's tough These Shiner's gonna hoop So Lebron over kid Kobe over Wade Jordan over Mello Garnett, KD

in a one-on-one? It's not in a one-on-one, but like... Neither one are guarding each other. No, but it's tough. Man. Wow. Who do we go with? This is tough. KD. Shack is filthy.

Katie Shack is a disgusting duo, but if there's anybody who can do anything to that do, it's Kevin Garnett. I guess there's... Jordan and Kobe together is hard. We kind of have to go... They're the same guy. They have no chemistry.

but Katie's the Katie and Mello are the only two shooters like shooters 2013 LeBronty shooting LeBron at point guard can Jason kid fuck with LeBron at point guard Jason kid at point guard I don't know

That might be the mismatch that wins a game I mean he wouldn't guard him Kobe would guard it So Jason could be guarding Wade Yeah Okay that's fair Nevermind We're dancing around it

It's the podcast guys Give me the yappers man Let me show some solidarity With the fellow profession Give me the podcast I'll take the podcast Yeah I'm like You think I'm aside with bald heads?

You think that's the Who want to align with? I never want that in my life Think I'm gonna align with a shiny We don't With the ball? Yeah, I got the podcasters You know, I don't

I don't I don't All right, okay, we're going to podcasters Next team Let's have some fun You guys, yeah, first like Let me grab something Okay

See, so I beef with you What's up? For what you did earlier I told everyone that you were shit that healthy bowel movement that would mean it on call for what you're doing is telling the kids hey eyes have your greens that was uncalled for

all right that's enough shit discourse next thing we're gonna do got this hat here let's nice little Dodgers cap in it I have pieces of paper folded up we are gonna play NBA charades all right so we're gonna draw one everybody I'll just give you one

and try to look at it here's two give this one to Donovan cool here's this one for you I got one we're gonna take turns you guys know what charades work we had to try to act out

who this player is and make the other people guess it without saying any words nothing nothing's really off limits if it's something hyper obvious I guess don't try to do it but charades rules you know how it works

all right cool I guess I'll go first and we'll go loop around yeah who I got Donovan you go first I got something with the best thing to do

Donovan you're first All right here we go NBA charades do it okay you're worried little is that lebron is it lebron james no okay you're a headache it's a it's a it's a it's a two part okay it's like you got a headache you're scared oh my god oh my god what am i going to do i'm worried it's like praise of god we did it is that jason sanem yeah there we go there we go there we go what was this part what the fuck was that he was like looking surprised he was like oh my god we did it

we can believe it yeah yeah okay I thought you were gonna do some lights and shit no start buying your lip all right you won't catch me on the internet in poor game let me go next okay imagine I'm standing up I can't stand up because it came free but are you grittying no both legs this is a gritty but no oh gritty

John Morin no no no no no no no not gritty He's dancing What the fuck is this? He's asking a bunch of questions You jump What the fuck is that? He's jumping up and down Oh my God

What is that? You're close Okay Oh Russell Westbrook Shea Are you getting fouled? Are you crying? Luka Dantzich

Yes Luka Dantzich Yeah, that was giving a hell of attitude. That was complaining. Yeah. I don't even know what this is. Okay. My turn.

So. Whoa. Hey, yo. Hey, yo. Don't do that next to me. No. Oh, Trey O. Okay.

He's all the nice. Oh, it's a real gambler. Is that Michael Jordan? It's Michael Jordan. Okay. I'm sitting dyes gambling. I'm losing. You're paying the price.

All right. And you said, bawdy. You are sick for what you guys. Give us a Donovan. Do another round. Here's what for you. All right. Donovan, did you go next?

There's only one thing that I can think of that I cannot say. Okay. Now, you got to go first. I got to forget. I can go if you want. All right, I'll go. You drawn charges you got fists send screens Dishing I didn't want to do that that was my last resort you guys make me too that

Oh my mom oh yeah oh brother tests oh yeah I did it wrong Oh yeah there you go All right, here we go, here we go. Okay, they balled, okay. Are you Charles Barkley? Yes. Wait, what the fuck? I'm big and bald.

I'm big and bald. How did you get that? No, you should have done. I didn't want to do that, though. I didn't want to do that. I wasn't going to be double-fishing churros. The big old santa tell you. You loved to do many mode.

Oh, shit. Exactly. A big old santa tell you. You're going to catch me doing that. yes that's what popped into my mind oh man this is hilarious just keep going to run out of him yeah donovan yeah yeah with you all right okay I can't do that I can go first if you want go ahead all right kind of my money oh he's cheap Janice LeBron oh you're bald and about them bucks

Oh, shit. She's about that book. He's not turning down a check. Yeah. All right. I got mine. I got mine. He would do a fucking, he's taking all that's money.

All right. Here we go. Light skin is hell. You're driving. Devin Booker. Yep. There we go. Yeah.

Lyskeying about my cars. He literally posted something about that today. He bought an Impala or something like that with 86 miles. First of all, they got sawdust and a screwdriver. And they made that mileage go down. Yeah. I'm reading Nintendo. I know the game.

Oh. Roy Hibbert. Verticality. No, not verticality. Rudy Gobert. Okay. That's Dunking.

Oh, gritty. That's John Moran. Yeah. Okay. It's just stiff and gritty. Yeah. We got three left.

Let's do it. Empty a clip. This is hilarious. I got it because we got it instantly okay good you're shooting

Jaylon Brunson naturally yeah it's easy okay okay um you go ahead let me think about this one

I'll do a little better okay this player is a little bit limited but light skin you're thinking you're a thinker unlimited light skin

light skin dunker Nice skin dunker Really just Oh really? Oh, Kelly Ubre? Yes That's the only

Just the extreme Yeah It's overload of light skin Yeah, overload and just Sexiness I didn't say that I said like to listen You got it as soon as I hit

A couple of ease Okay, so Oh, LeBron This LeBron Oh my God Reads for two seconds It's not that. Damn, that's crazy.

LeBron James is so easy. There's so many things to do. Yeah. I could have. And that's all those charades I got. Yeah, we got to do this again. That was hilarious. Yeah, thumbs that off.

I just got this hat. It's so hard. That's nice. Whoa. Scared the cat away. Okay. What are we going to do next? We're going to do a little five-level challenge.

You know, we've been doing this a lot lately where we kind of gauge how good a player is in the current NBA by comparing them to five different levels of players. Yeah. We're going to do a past player and you're going to tell me

how good you think they'd be if they played today. Okay. And that past player is Dirk Novitsky. How good would Dirk be if he played today? Stretch four,

can get buckets at any level. Not really a defender, but it doesn't matter. We're talking about a former MVP here. We are. Level one, would he be better than Carl Anthony Towns?

Easily. Going to bat for the best shooter of all time? Easily. Carl Anthony Towns, that's who he thinks he is. Sorry, Sorry, Kat, but you got Oji's ahead of you, he's better.

Clears. And listen, Dirk's defense might not be great. Neither is cats. So it's easily, Dirk. Yeah. Level two, Victor Wimbenyama. Current day. Come on now.

He'll get better. The defense is where the conversation is like, uh, you understand how I feel about Wemby. However, at the end of the day, the game is about buckets. And I still think that Wembe, while he has improved, he still doesn't have an offensive game to where he can carry an offensive. offense to be a top 10 unit in the league. Yeah.

So I'm still going to put a lot of value on that with Dirk. I'm giving Dirk the nod. Yeah. Listen, and Wemby's Prime wouldn't be shocked at all if he's better than Dirk. Today is not Wemby's Prime. We're going Dirk. Okay. Talk to me about Dirk's creation and how he was on the ball.

A lot of people sleep on that. Yeah, we're going Dirk. Dirk's okay. Level three. Anthony Davis. Maybe like the eighth best player in the world. It's getting a little difficult. It is, but still.

man again dirt's ability to 100% carry in offense and be be the creator we're like listen anthony davis amazing score in season right the lakers are putting him in position to where he could be a score and you know i've asked for that but dirt can get and create his own buckets more often than anthony davis i think that it's just easier to have that piece in place so i'm gonna go we've seen that an ad led team by himself isn't really going anywhere the simple fact that dirt can carry a team and be the best player on a team we have to go with him it's consistent buckets i agree yeah okay level four jason tatum would dirk be a top four player in the league right now yes jerk could be a top four player in the league i think there's keep in mind

defense and space matters more today than it did in 2000 so his defense going to be a bigger issue than it was no it depends on if his team can cover his defense the right way then i don't think it's going to be an issue whatsoever yeah if we if you give him to same like center equivalent because remember it was dirk and tyson chandler who is d p o why so if you put a d p oi center next to next to dirt yeah he'll be he'll be fine his scoring would still be as impactful i'm gonna go dirt if you put a d p oi next one that's a lot to ask that's that's what he had okay can't he just have jared allen damn deep that's a that's a tough ass only so many d p oi's available i'm sorry okay level five yonis nope nope nope nope nope nope nope nope i'm not even entertaining that conversation

Not entertaining? Offensive, yep, not entertaining. Offensily, I think because of Janus' playmaking and also creation, those two things are just innately better. All Dirk has on him on that side of things is just shooting. That's it. Yeah, people think Dirk is by far the better score. He's not.

He's a more versatile score. Janus's rim scoring is just as prolific. Maybe they're equal at scoring. You can go either way. Yonis is a better passer. Yonis is a miles, better defender, better rebounder. We're going, Janus. Janice is trying to be like dirt

He's trying to add the one The one foot step And what if he has that plus all the Yannis shit If he has that great He hasn't proven it to have it 100%. I don't think like without a doubt It's kind of wild though To say it's close

To say without a doubt The defense to me Seeing knowing that Yonis Can at least bear minimum Meet Dirk at his levels Offensively minus the shooting While also having the ability Like be one of the best defenders in the NBA

that's what in my mind makes you think like but imagine but imagine if you put dirk in in an era where all those 21 footers turn into 23 footers and imagine he's taking like five threes a game now dirk is dirt can easily average you know like 33 and then i imagine teams like the warriors or the i don't know celtics and oklahoma city's runner making him run an emotion offense i think about that too i'm i'm gonna take dirt i'm gonna take dirt i think about teams can Dirk try to protect the room. I'm taking Janus. Yeah, his defense would be rougher in today's NBA.

Yeah, that's the caveat. He would still be great. He'd still be, and he's fucking MVP back then. He's still a top five player today, but I'm comfortable with Janus being the more well-rounded, all-around better player. Yeah. All right. Well, last thing we're going to do, this is kind of fun.

I'm going to show you a top five list of something, and you got to guess what the category is. So they're a bit all over the place. Some of them are from Ranker. Some of them are stats in, like, all-time rankings. So it's a little more difficult. Try to tell me what this top five category is. First off, now one, we have Bob Kaufman, two Lamar Odom, three, Blake Griffin,

four James Hardin, five back, five, Bob McAdoo. This has to do so. Okay, they're all clippers. But it can't be the, you can't have a clippers top five and not have Chris Paul on it. I mean, this could be. Chris Paul doesn't do everything well Is this What wait wait maybe

Actually no maybe it is clippers What if this is for sure But what what clippers aspect Has James Harden already like inserted himself Into like in all time conversation You think it may be Maybe passing maybe assist No no no Chris Paul would be scoring

Because even then No I can't be scoring Bob Kaufman is number one one. Do you know who that is? No. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Are we talking?

Maybe it's like playoff wins or something? Actually, not. And the Clippers? Damn sure not Clioffields. It's something irrelevant. If it was something of relevance, then CP3 would be here 100%. But it's Bob Coffman.

Can you give it some context on Bob Coffman? I don't know who that is. I don't know who that is either. It's the name. You got to give up? I know it's something relevant This is Clippers' triple double leaders all the time Chris Paul doesn't grab rebounds

That's all he's missing Yeah you did leak that Yeah and like the number one Like James Hart has like four It's in the top five Okay Number two We got Kareem, Nasty Man

Parrish, Oakley Hakeem Elijah one I'm gonna Some legends here and a secco. Okay, y'all, okay. You got a bunch of bigs here. Who are these bigs?

Who are these bigs? Many are you asking. Kareem alone, Hakeem are obviously up there. We're thinking maybe like blocks. We're thinking fouls, maybe, because obviously, Oakley being there,

it has to be something with Fowles. And so I'm either going to, I'm going to go. Fals will make sense. sense. It turns the longevity and how these, like, aligned with each other. I know. We'll make,

these files? It is most personal fouls in NBA history. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, you guys tap dancing around it. I was hoping you would check if you're just up as not. Yeah. This is personal fouls, the big bruisers. There we go.

Yeah. I like that. Next one. Shut out, Oakley, man. Next one, we got number one, Kishon George, two, Mike Conley, three, Keon Johnson, four Dante, Tedi Vincenzo and five DeJante Murray.

What type of? Ew. Kishan George, rookie. Then you got Mike Conley, Keon Johnson. Dude, he's... This is the most random names I've ever seen. Keon Johnson was part of like the 2018-19 draft or whatever.

He's on like the Nets or something like that. It's just like the most mysteries. Not quite. You're not super far off, though. I know it can't be a positive list. It has to do like, yeah. I think these, like, the most inefficient players the NBA has to offer right now.

Yes, it's the lowest field goal percentages in the NBA right now. Desjante Murray, oh my God. As of December 18th, all these guys are below 39% from the field. Wait, shout out to Troy Young. He didn't touch this. I love it.

There we go. Hey, he's bottom 10, though. He's not too far off. Okay. Next one. That, Tray Young is dangerously close to the territory. He might have been like six or seven.

Hey, yo. The cat just jumped on the windows to. Oh, shit. Next one. We got Kelly Ubrey, Devin, Booker, Anthony Edwards, Zach Levine, Jalen Green. Kelly Ubrey? See, we got, Kelly Ubray one?

Kelly Ubert one. I see one at. Devin Booker two. Debooked Aunt Levine and Jaylen Breen. What are these Kelly Ubray categories? Yeah. There's only, like two categories

that you could think of and one of them Anthony Edwards is in here so it's not like that way I'm not gonna lie to you this is incredibly obvious what he said no it's not break those everything off of me

but it doesn't at all actually it brings it all together quite easily it's not light skins because in a way it's not but in a way not I'm not trying to get too deep

And somebody like, what's wrong with light skin, man? You're like, I'm not trying to say anything. Uh, maybe see, I was thinking something about like Instagram or something like that. Close. And like Instagram followers and like Twitter followers. Hmm.

Um, Ubrey Booker aunt. Wait, did the cat jump in the floor? Yes. That's crazy. Yes. No, she has hops. She's hops. 40 inch vertical nut shit.

That doesn't be on. I can't. I have no idea. I might have to give up. This. is the hottest players in the NBA according to Rancor. The community voted them

the hottest guys. Anthony Edwards. You don't think Anthony Edwards has ORA? Oren Hart are two three different conversations. I think we can have that conversation too. We don't need to have the breakdown

between ORA and HOT. I ask you, real quick. Who's hot but has no aura? Hot and I have no aura? Jason Taitam. He's the perfect example. Yeah, Jason Tandum is hot but that's the aura. Yeah.

Devin Booker. You think Devin Booker's hot But you think Booker has no or? Oh and not no or he's not no not no but it doesn't match Who has or but I guess you just say outside of ant Who has ore but it's not hot LeBron James Yeah these are apparently it's the hot as guy

Damn raker are you serious Who are they asking for you? The people Who are the people? Show me them right now Show me these people Who are these people? Okay, next one

We have Joelle and Bede LeBron James James Harden Marcus Mark, Chris Paul Oh, these are whiners here Uh Joel and Bid only played six games So his numbers are astronomical Oh, wait, I got this

I got this according to Rancor These are probably the most annoying players Not annoying players The The players that flopped the most This is the biggest floppers According to Ranker you were close

with annoying we just got to think about why they're annoying he lobbed it up yeah that one's easy if Marcus smart 's on the list next to James Hardin

like what else gonna be these are all time names and then you got Marcus Smart later yeah like what else gonna be okay next one

Jamal Crawford Sejan McCollum Trosin Petrovich Jason Terry Lamar Odom Hmm these other the the coolest

I don't know Jamal This is a hard one This is some random ass names Jamal McColler What does Droz and Petrovich look like? White? I know he looks like he's from over there, but I don't know what he looks like, really.

But that's what he was like, like old school guy. He's white, short dark hair? Yeah, 06, 7. Old school guy from over there. Did he put on the Kings? He played on the Nets. Got Lamar Odom, lefty. He's, see, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure where to take this. Seed McCormon and Lamar for him. What are we going to do? None of these players went to an all-star game. This is it. This is the, this is the, five best players to never make an All-Star game according to Ranker. Drozzen-Pretrovich, okay.

Drozzen was a bucket. He died, so he did never have a chance to make a playoffs. I mean, a All-Star? Yeah, he played like four years and he died. You don't know about Drozhen Petrovich? Are you serious? Yes. I didn't know that. Yeah. Can you read a book? Don't fucking die. This is a fucking crayon eater. Mo is such an iPad kid.

Rest in peace. What the hell? He's like sad? He has this new empathy for a guy. He didn't know. way he said not dros i was just talking to dros the other day i just saw him let me see if i not drys big draws no i actually seen this dude i like the other day on tic talk oh i grew up with his aunt damn my mom's know each other they said little drops from across street yeah in a car accident dross draws damn yeah how much of a bucket getter was he really he was a bucket getter for He was a capital Uder.

One of the best shooters there. In real life Uter. Okay, one more category once you get Moe off. My God, he was like 20 to a game? What the fuck? How did you miss Johnson Petrovich in NBA history? Dude, we've never mentioned him on this pod ever once. Why would be?

I don't disrespect. It's just so random. Like, what category do you get to Dros and Petrovich? Jeez, bro. A new favorite player. There you go. Go watch some highlights. Go do some research.

Okay, last category. we have the lakers the warriors the nicks the heat and the c f these are the teams with the most followers on instagram it is not the most followers on twitter it's not the most followers on twitter these is the most popular teams that the NBA has to offer this is not the most these teams sell out the most it's not sales you're right fuck it's not it's not value because the Celtics would be higher than five Or would they? Are these the most valuable? No.

Not the most valuable thing. Yeah, because the Knicks would be two. Most annoying fan bases. This is the most annoying fan bases. There you go. That's hilarious. There you go. Look at that.

The most annoying fan bases, according to Rancor. Remind me, he fans really that annoying? Apparently. I don't know why they're up here, but the people spoke at Rancor. They're kind of like fair weather. They don't really show up. They bet they beat too much. Pretty boys.

Yeah. Soft. I don't like them. Damn, okay. And that's the end of our episode. If people are still here, what should they comment? RP drives and Petrovich. Comment RP Drives and Petrovich and comment Donovan shit himself to sleep.

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