The Deep 3 Podcast - We Ranked The Top 40 Players In The NBA | Ep. 172

Episode Date: December 19, 2025

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It's looking jolly as hell in here. Very festive. It's looking like tis this season. It's a lot of Yol Tide. I don't even know where Yol Tide is. Dude, why? You sang it just out the first time I've ever heard it. Yeah.

I saw there was a breadbasket skit when they were talking about Yol Tide the other day. That's the only reason why it's all my mind. Gotcha. Well, as you guys see, we are here for our third year in a row of TD3 Christmas specials. We are going to sit down and rank not the top 30 players in the NBA like we usually do for Christmas. The top 40 players in the NBA, we are expanding it. you know,

talent inflation's a thing. There's more star players than ever. We're going to sit down and we're going to rank the top 40. And honestly, there might be like 50 also level guys in league right now. I still have to make some tough cuts.

Here you go 10 more feet. Next year, we'll see. The talent keeps getting better and better. Before we do that, as you see, we got presents everywhere. Got a lot of festivities going on. We're going to do our yearly

gift-giving little thing before the show starts. And before we get to that actual, you know, at least in my family tradition, you open one gift on Christmas Eve. I got one gift for you guys open before we get started. Okay.

Okay. You know, I don't celebrate Christmas at all, so this is like all I have. These are the only gifts that I will be getting. And last year, if you guys remember, I didn't receive, like, basically jack shit. I got, last year I think you gave me rat poisoning was before I lived here. I was living in New York. I got rat poisoning. And it was like, I think the year before that got like Shundies or something like that, too, Shea underwear before like, it was this whole thing. So, all right, go and open those up. See what you guys got? What are we doing for your opening gift? What are we talking about? I thought it was only fitting. It's a boxed very well. You're going to rip that bitch off. Ripping it all the way off. Oh, okay.

Let's see what we're talking about right here. What we got? This looks like... A tradition like no other. Getting pajamas is your first gift on Christmas Eve. Okay, this is very cute. Ooh, you are my sunshine. LeBron James.

I really don't like this. We're throwing it back. That's crazy. He was bragging. You didn't get any of it. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. Thank you, my.

All right, Chris's family. How y'all feel? Splendid. Stupid. Wonderful. How do you think I feel? Festive, I hope you feel like you're in the, tis the season. I understand in this moment why Kyrie got so mad.

When that lady asked that question, he's like, lady, I have one father. Like, what are you talking about? Today we have multiple. Today we're here. This is not even my favorite player. I don't know what you're talking about. We have gifts all around. We all brought him out.

We all got each other stuff. But, you know, naturally, I got you gifts. He got his gifts. Donovan, I'm sure you got his gifts. I'm like last year you didn't. He was the worst, bro. I got stuff not because, first of all, again, I told y'all prior that I wasn't doing gifts here.

It was two years in a row he didn't give a shit. That's not true. That's not true. Hopefully there's enough to go around, but I think we need a little bit of extra help. I think we need parents from Santa Claus. Santa Claus, go on and come out here. Come on out here and bring your extra gifts you have for everybody. Whoa.

What do we have here? What do we have here? Take a seat, Santa Claus. Let's move on those bullshit. Did I tell you? Did I tell you? We have lots of gifts to go around today. I thought you were in Texas.

What are we all talking about? I knew it. What's going on, man? Go and talk to talk to your mic. You got Bron on you. I got Bron in me. It's in my heart. Disgusting.

So we all got gifts to go around. We'll start off. Shout out Santa Claus here. Shout out, Nikkio Avenue's yearly comeback. Everybody's constant. asking to see them. What's going on? What the fuck is going on?

Oh, you want to go first? Hell yeah. Okay, let's go to Santa Claus. Go first. Santa Claus, what you got for us? I will do the worst gift first. Shopping for Isaac is like, shopping for like an emotionally unavailable dad.

Okay. I had no clue what to get him. Okay. Yeah. Here you go. Okay. What have you got? He got me a car heart hat.

And what is this black thing? That's for you to trim your beard in front of a mirror. Okay. It's a dad beard gift. You said trim your beard. So what can you put up with the man's tape? You like that thing in front of a mirror and you trim your beard. Gotcha.

Okay. So you got like a bib and a car hat. Yeah. Perfect. Appreciate it. Nice. You're going to wear. You can actually put those things to use.

I know, there you go. Functional gifts. I think we're one for one so far. Okay. What you got for Mo? All right, Mo. Actually, just open it up. This is an actual big box.

The packing gets better. Yeah. So your gift is actually the best. Okay. Let's see what's going on here, man. Open up this. Ooh. This is like wrapped really nicely.

If you know, Mo. Like it. Oh. A teapot? This is a teapot. One thing Mo does, he loves to drink tea. Yeah. This is actually fire.

Every morning and night, I'd be drinking tea, bro. That's my go-to sauce. This is actually two for two. This is useful. Sorry. I was very solid. Damn. All right.

Thank you, thank you, Santa. I appreciate it. And what we've got for Donovan. All right, Don't. Here you go. I got talking to the mic. But this bitch is elite.

That's a steeper thing, too. What do we have here? We have a stone bowl. A stone bowl? Yes. What is that? So for Crazy Korea. and cooking. Don loves cooking. He likes

Korean food. Kareem people use this like stone thing to make soup. I think he can't like his cooking bag. Donovan is like an actual cook, dude. He literally stays in the house looking up new recipes and stuff like that. I know he's going to use this. Five-star recipes.

He's super big on plating and aesthetic looks when he comes to his food. All right. That was a crazy noise. I thought it was blue in here. I know. I've got to open this up but yeah just like this I had a smaller one and so basically like the smaller one there's one where you can make like like steamed eggs basically and so you use like a like a stone

stone pot like a clay pot for this awesome look at that McKeel three for three starting off strong all right we got a good showman from Santa Claus let's go I'll go next Donovan we got this big bag for you my hands over to him a large assortment of items all relating to Mr. Smoot We'll see what we got here. All right. The sound is crazy. All the noise.

I know. All right. So first thing, it looks like a cane. I'm assuming it is a cane or some type of walker. Don't make any assumptions now. Why does it take all the way up and up and out? I cannot. Let's make that a little lighter in the mic for me.

L rapper. No, this definitely is a cane. I don't know. I mean, you know, you're getting up there. Exactly. This is actually perfect for you. We're, like, kind of on a windstreet right now when it comes to this. This is amazing.

Yeah, we get it. You know, we got to go formal, formal, functional gifts for Donovan, you know. Yeah, that's actually going to be really useful for you. We got. Oh, we got some sketches, go walk. Who are these? Are these shoes that just souls? Nobody.

Those are shoes. For your chips walking around the mall, we got to make sure you have a good, nice footwear. Like a lot. I was actually just at them all the other day just walking around. I had a couple errors to run, but I was just, I was walking around. Can you elaps in? Bell coach straps like that. Yo, the 10K is going to be a breeze for him, bro.

Unc Donovan will be in the building more quick than fucking ever. His foot structure will be elite and supported. Yeah, bro, what? We got hit. Let's go! I've been talking about this, man. This is hilarious. I'm in my comment back right now.

No, he actually fucks with this too heavy. I really do. really too. Alexia fin of sick of me. Oh, man. You got the old... Let's do the knowledge.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, my God. He got the entire old man fit. What is this? A life alert. Ah, this is too far. This is too far.

I was okay. I was okay with this. Getting into my post. Show to the camera. I already dropped it. Life alert is crazy. I've never actually seen one in person. Men's 50 plus multivit.

Yo, you are straight. You, when you're. 50 years old, bro. You quadruple down. It's not bad. It's not bad. I am wearing this whole show.

I haven't seen a single miss so far when it comes to you. Backwards is crazy. This is how you are. That's solid. That's all. I feel like fuck with you. Okay.

Mo. I feel like Dave Chappelle in 2004. Here you are, Mo. Another gift for you. More gifts. All right. Let's try to wrap this swiftly as possible. Unwrap as swiftly as possible.

Okay. Oh, I think this is tampering. Guys, if you know Housecall, you know I'm not a fan of any team right now. I will be selecting my team once the season officially over. And I think this may be tampering. This is a gnome, specifically a gnome who's a Chargers fan. And I think he's black too. So I don't know what the fuck is going on.

Wait, it's a black gnome. That wasn't on purpose? Perfect. Wait, let me see. It's a black gnome. I'm not going to lie. I've never seen a black gnome. I don't know how I found a back in it.

Let's go. But yeah, you know, just trying to make sure that we do, as a program, we do our best influential decision. I don't think he's black. He's kind of dark, but all like all the elves and stuff? I'm going to do his ancestry.com at home, but we'll check it out. He's from over there. You know.

Brother, that looks like you. All right. Yeah, that's all I thought. But pretty soon we're going to have a little ceremony in a house call. Check it out. Our NFL show. We're going to pick his own team. We're going to have a whole hat ceremony.

I want to make sure our program gets the right foot out there. And, you know, make sure you know where to pick. Not a bad gift. I'm actually going to be hanging this up on my house, right? What have the Eagles done for you? The Eagles? Yeah. Jack shit.

Nothing. I have nothing to do with the Eagles. They just have cool gear. All right. Let's see what this is next. Tear it is, bitch apart. Oh, okay. I thought it was some bullshit.

It's crayon taffy stick. So I can actually eat this shit. Yep. Edible taffy. Hold on one more thing for you. All right. Let's go ahead and do it. Edible taffies.

This is actually useful, bro. I will use this garden room. You can eat. that on the pot. Yeah, we literally will. Taffy sticks. Yeah. This is actually hard. And flavors, one box? Yeah. I want you to close your eyes. All right, let's do it.

Close your eyes. Here's a nice heavy bag. That's such a scary sentence. Oh shit. God damn. This is a 50 pound weight. This might be a dumbbell. How it's something that I know was true to you. True to everything that you've been talking about. Shit. Is this cream? Oh, it's milk.

What type of milk? Whole. Creamy milk. Whole milk. Apparently, you're the cream commander, so we had to make sure you feel represented. Whole milk, not stepped on at all. Not stepped on as a little cream commander, milk cleared.

Yep, I am the leader of the crematory, so uncut. Very fitting. I like it. I hope this comes. I hope there's like cookies upstairs so I can actually put this shit to use because what type of cream leader are you if you're not using the cream? I don't know.

You tell me. Yeah. All right. I like this. I got it. All right. Next. You want you guys on your gifts?

I suppose so. Okay. This is for you and this is for you. You guys are going to open it at the same time. Okay. This is a little house. Inspect it and while you guys open it. A little Christmas home.

This is also a house. Santa also. Mine smaller. Okay. A note for you guys. You guys can open it at the same time. Actually, you know, Donovan first. Okay.

Santa says smoothie pie. This year, I have paid extra. your attention to you and I fear that this year has been an absolute disaster. From saying that Mo blew in from stupid town to two years ago uttering out of your mouth that Derek

White is better than Kyrie. If you have a problem with this gift, meet me at 155 Michigan Avenue Suite 450 in Chicago. And then he wrote for some reason I-H-Y-N-L-D. What does that mean? What does that mean? I don't know.

Tell me. I don't know. Donovan, you must have a clue. You must have some, but I don't know what you did this in. First of all, he actually gave me charcoal. This is ridiculous, by the way. All right. I don't like this. Isaac, 155.

I don't know. Check it out. Let's see what it is. I have no idea what's going on. Gucci, man. You have had a polarizing year. Polarizing year. You've been under close watch.

Okay. And you almost made it. You told Mo that he was playing, quote, unquote, The Skin Flute on House Call. Yuck! You are on hashtag watch. Consider this a warning to. And then he said, again, for some reason, I-H-Y-T-N-L-D,

250 West Chicago Avenue, 3 o'clock Monday. I fear that we might be streaming. I cannot run a fade with Santa. I guess so, but if you want, I could go ahead and send you the coordinates of this, but we'll see. So what does that abbreviation mean? I don't know. let me read it out loud okay I think it's

I hate you I hate you two niggiless die wow that's outrageous I was gonna say I don't remember writing that

shout out this charcoal I'll put it to good use we got a grill up back at a fire pit we'll fire some shit up it's like 20 degrees outside but we'll make it work but he also says too

forgot to read this to you guys we drop house call Tuesdays on what time, three o'clock, roughly? Sam's tapped in. He said that we all have to be witnessing or be on par ready for part two because there's more gifts coming in.

Oh my God. There's more gifts coming in. Let's go. On both shows, y'all. So you have to tap in for part two of this. Whoa. All right, what we got from Donovan? All right, don't open to me.

You guys can open at the same time. However, so we have talked for, for, I guess, honestly, maybe like six months into the show. Up until now, we have talked about a way that we need to, like, show that we are part of the TD3 family. We joked about getting, like, a TD3 chain or something like that. And sometimes that stuff is a little bit overblown.

So consider this an entry and consider this your Rockefeller chain into the TD3 family. Go ahead. Let's see. We're going to jump in. This is not a chain. Okay, okay, okay, okay. The ultimate crayon pack, 152 crayons. It comes with a sharpener.

You have metallic and you have metallic and glitter crayons in there. If you are a part of the TD3 family, if you want to come over into death row, if you're tired of other podcasts, right, dancing all up in the TikToks. Come over here. Get your 152 crayons. I ain't go, this is one of the most. This smells, dude. Like, this is fresh crayons as well.

It's loud as funny. Just what I like to smell in the morning. This is just what we need it. It's like smelling salts. It's brand new. smelling salt for us you're absolutely right i'm ready to eat bro we're going through a fucking wall ready to rank some players i'm ready to go crazy because i got my crayons by my side let's do this shit man what a perfect gift giving td3 segment let's do it mikhiel any last words

buy more crayons man with that being said appreciate santa claus coming through got to see his face appreciate all the gifts we got crayons to go players to rank let's get into our td3 christmas special So, like we said, we're here to rank the top 40 players in the NBA, same thing we do every year for Christmas, you know. I think important we laid the ground rules out of how we decide to view this, since it's a pretty unique ranking as far as our rankings go, given that's not in the offseason. I viewed this as mostly this season, but also especially for players that are injured, coming

off of an injury, or just having an outlet performance. I didn't pretend these 20 games and only games I've seen in their career. So I'm also doing like league-wide standings, what I know you to be. but with the heavy emphasis on the 30 games we've seen so far this. And we talked about this. Jason Tatum, Tyrese Halliburton, Kyrie Irving, honorable mentions. We didn't even do anybody that's coming off of a season-ending injury. That's like a major injury.

We don't know how good they're going to be coming back. Those guys are all omitted from this list. Yeah. They haven't played the game. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And if we were to go in and put where they were, at least last year, I feel like that would be just kind of unfair. Just really a wonky hard way to think about things.

Yeah. And I definitely felt the impact of no Tatum and no Halliburton. the guys that had a debate for like 10 and 11 I'm like you guys should be a couple spots lower I'm definitely having to get it out the mud a little bit here yeah but okay let's get straight into it you guys know how this works instead of revealing blocks of 5 we can reveal blocks at 10

because we have extra players so first off we have numbers 31 through 40 I have up first at 40 Michael Porter Jr. has earned his way onto a spot on this list just barely had to give him a little nod 39 white Michael Porter Jr. we got Lowry marketing in 38 Eight, another Star Leap, Jalen Duren, 37, Pascal Seacum, 36, maybe the best role player in the league, Aaron Gordon, 35, actually, never mind, the best role player in the league, Rudy

Gobert, 34, the worst all-star type guy in the league, Denny Evdia, Denny Obdia, 33, Tali Hero, 32, Trey Young, and 31 Palo Bancaro. How do we feel about this initial 10? Okay. Don't hate, don't hate the MPJ stuff. I think Lorry should probably be maybe a little bit higher, but it's not, it's not shocking. to have them, like, towards the back end of the 30s. I think Gobert and Gordon, it feels like a similar range as to, like, where I had

them. The biggest thing is, like, yo, the, the Palo discourse is crazy. Yeah, that was hard to do with it. And it's fair, though. Like, it's not, it's not even anything of, like, Isaac Haten. It really is just the way that the season has started with, with injuries, with the shooting that he's had, with the level of play that Franz has had, where you have that directly compared to what it looks like, whenever it's.

It's just you. All of that is, it has us in this, like, very existential place of thinking about Palo Mancaro. Yeah. I wanted to put him a little bit lower if it was just this season. But I was like, he is so Palatman Carroll. He will bounce back. So he's among the mix of, like, low-level All-Star guys, like a Trey Young, Tyler Hero, guys who are the best players in their team and deserve that spot. You know, it's not crazy to build around them.

It's not crazy to empower them. It's your first option. They've shown from to a variety of efficacy that they can be a driver of good offense and you know that's generous in palo's sake but you know winning basketball in two ways so yeah he this is his low end i definitely judged him harshly just because i already had my questions about him i've already said that i've been critical of him because people prop him up to be this next superstar some people already consider him a top 10 15 player in the world and i think the idea of him has always outweighed what he's done early in his career and i've never said that like he'll never be a superstar

or he's destined to be disappointed forever it was let's wait until he makes that leap and i've always said i expected to make that leap and i expected to be this year wasn't the case then he got hurt came back i'll give him benefit for the doubt because it's a two years in a row when he comes off injury he's a little rusty at first has been pretty goddamn terrible since come back from injury but again i keep i keep expecting him to come back and be better which really is probably me just hedging and knowing people view him higher than me so i'm trying to be like i don't hate him it's possible that he is that good but thus far in his career there hasn't been a single season where he has league average efficiency or a single season where his team's off his team is better on the court

when he's playing versus without and that's where i stop right there and That's why I look at Palo Ban Caron and be like, brother, sorry, but you were the first cut on my list. Oh, you cut Velvarez? We give this type of grace to young players. You are in year four. What are you talking about? You're not even fucking league average

from fucking anywhere on the field, bro. I understand. And I give that grace to him when it comes to, oh shit, like you just don't have the ability to... It's true. He's the definition of that. I'm not saying it.

I'm crazy. I got beat in a Palo Baner of Hadoff, but here we are. It's just funny. I love free throws. it's like come on man like i i wanted to put him on my list but i'm looking on myself today in the year 2025 so far with what we've seen throughout this season but also of course like going back to what you said he is a playoff riser he does a lot of things that only i don't know

17 other players in the world can do when it comes to having that surviving in that level of difficulty of the situation in the playoffs you see the time and time again you average 28 and all that But zooming out throughout his entire career and looking at what winning means today in the sport of basketball and what you have to be, which you have to embody as a star player, it just isn't there yet. And I'd rather have someone. It sounds crazy, but so far this year, like Aaron Gordon on my team or MPJ on my team, who I know you can thrive in your role. You can win championships in your role. I've seen it before. Now, yes, of course, you had Nicole Yokach on your side.

But you know what I mean in terms of having some of the greatest, like, ancillary skills in the league currently. And that's, that's honestly, like, those are the conversations that I was having in my head when I was thinking about Palo. And he's in this space of, of like the Jamal Murray archetype where we're going to give you a lot of boost because of the rising that you do in the playoffs. However, like prior to this to this year, none of us are ever going to say like, oh yeah, Jamal Murray, like he's going to lead a team, right? Prior to this year, yeah, like how he said that. He's been crazy. Yeah, he's been really, really good this year. But up until this point, it's always like you are, and obviously second fiddle to Yokic,

but Yohic is also carrying you a little bit, and it's not necessarily like you are carrying all of your weight. And so with Palo, even the regular season stuff of you're shooting like low 30s, high 20s from three, right? It's not good. And so unless like the playoff stuff really gets to a high, high level, which I, like, commend him a hundred percent for what he's done in the playoffs over the last two years and like mo said you are out here getting buckets doing things that not a lot of other people can do unless

that turns into bubble de mitch right bubble jemal murray and like the best of the best of the rising i don't think we can we can put him in a in a spot where we are 100 percent confident that you being number one option every single night playing the way that you want to play is going to get us to a position where then you can go and do all of the playoff rising things that you like to Yeah, I totally respect putting him lower because, like I said, there is like 50 ultra-level guys. So it's not exactly disrespectful, I think. You know, some people will take it that way. I'm with you.

I've been giving him a lot better than for the doubt, which again, it's probably just a mental hedge because I know I'm the hater. So I'm like, no, guys, trust me. I don't hate him. But if you're saying yes to earn it, I'm not going to argue. Yeah, at some point, he does have to earn in. Shout out those small samples of him going crazy in the playoffs. Him being able to get hot from mid-range and be able to do that stuff in those seven games is, it's good. Like, you'd rather see that than him not do it.

it but when we have 82 game samples of him being inefficient from most areas of the court besides getting to the free door line which is a skill is valuable when all the stuff in the field is just iffy and hasn't really hit a level of a superstar score which he needs to be having not being a top tier passer or defender i'm okay putting him in this range okay yeah and we'll keep talking one of these names let's go through the next list i think mo is next what do you got so 40 through 31. I have Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram, M. P.J. Thompson, Larry Marketing, Kauai, O. Jada Novi, Hardin, Jimmy Butler. And then at 31, I have Trey Young. Okay, so you also have Trey Young in this range. I struggled Miderly with Trey Young because we really haven't seen him this year. He played

five games. Was dog shit. Got hurt. Came back. One game yesterday, actually. I'll let you speak to how that game went. I didn't watch it. I saw the box score. Didn't look too great. This is a, this is a reputation pick that we're keeping him here because we've seen plenty of years of him being, you know, a guy that is a first option for a reason. Yeah. But we've been having a lot of discourse about the small guard thing and how far we can get with Trayong basketball. We've been making half jokes do you a lot about like, should they trade him and build

around Jaila Johnson? Like, how are you currently feeling about Tray Young and his placement in this list? So going back to what you said, he did come back last night. If you look at the box score, Barron, it just doesn't look good. Jalen Johnson dropped like fucking 40. He was insane. This is mainly a reputation pick because he only played six games so far this year. and he hasn't looked at the greatest, but also it's six games, you know?

So I think he's on the cusp of losing his tag, losing his chain as being viewed as one of the elite elite elite point guard groups in the entire league. And he's like not on the same time as Paula Bencaro, but in terms of like looking at him being like, yeah, like you're not able. You shouldn't be the face of my franchise or the lead score on my team or anything like that. We need reconfigurate your value in the league and see where it's two best. because what the Hawks have viewed you over the last few years, had an outlier. It's fine to admit that at this point in time. But it's just reconfiguration right now in terms of where stars lie.

And also, there's just so many players that got so much better than him. Meanwhile, he's just either stayed the same in certain regards or legitimately just gotten worse. Yeah, he's also like the Palo thing where he's done before, so it's not the same conversation. When will we see you be a league average efficiency score at that volume again? Like, you know, there's reasons why. same thing at the reason of all the palo we would like to mention there is the team construction has been an issue there is a lack of space and yada yada try young's had similar issues the rosters haven't been great this is the first year that i think he has the offensive supporting cast

that should give him everything he needs to show that he can still be an efficient lead volume score so time it's ticking i guess with him that we're keeping him in this range out of respect for the five year peak he's had as the elite passer and someone who's capable of handling a volume of scoring which doesn't matter even if you're not tremendously efficient but listen man if he doesn't have a good 20 games coming up we do this next year he'll be where john moran lamello and them are off the list i will say yeah i don't i also don't hate uh jimmy butler at 32 that feels like very much a reputation pick yeah i kind of forgot about him i didn't think about ranking him maybe i should have he's still jimmy butler but yeah i've been disappointed by the lack of

scaling up you can do these days he's not yeah he's not on on my list um and it's kind of for for that reason um i think like when you when you when you look back at the at the playoffs last year and obviously he was coming off of of the injury that he had in the first round against minnesota against houston going into the minnesota series and so you can kind of see like it was taking a lot out of him to trying to try and scale up but also oh like we're paying you 50 million dollars 60 million dollars like i'm sorry i'd actually i'm not i'm not even sorry this is just what we need like this is this is the environment of the NBA where you need your guys that you're paying $50, $60 million to really be able to be a high level secondary

creator of offense. And so for this team, whenever Steph is not doing, you know, whatever stuff is doing. And you see, you know, little games here and there where he's not peak, peak Steph Curry. Jimmy, I'm going to need 27. Yeah. At this point in time in his career, he just refuses to play like that. He's more so just wants to play winning brand of basketball that also lends his body well to recover right on time. And, And I think what I put him this high because at the end of the day, I know I'm going to get solid difference from you. I know I'm going to get a consistent 20 points.

Don't ask for anything more. Don't ask for anything less. He's going to be five rebounds, five visits or whatever the case may be, and get to the line of time. He's going to, he produces winning basketball and he still has winning traits and qualities that lends himself above all the guys that he has under him at this point in time. I should have put him on here and I'm looking at it. Like, he's, I'd probably rank him higher than Jimmy Butler still.

other than MPJ still and maybe Lauer Markening, just because the scoring volume isn't there, which is disappointing, specifically for this Warriors team that has been of desperate need of scoring volume with Curryout. Maybe he just lacks that. He doesn't have the burst to do that anymore.

He's getting older. He's had a knee injury. He's been nursing for his entire career. Eventually, time comes up, right? He's so tremendously efficient. His defensive value is still crazy. That's why they're winning games when they do win is because him and Draymond together

have been every bit of genius level defensive duo that we thought they'd be when they first got together and had that stretch last season. That's still there. All of his advanced stats say he's incredibly impactful as a defender. Like you said, I guess the fruit the line is still efficient. The playmaking is still

valuable. So he's probably like, you put him in Thompson on here for being this like master role player that does all these little things. Exactly. I didn't rank him. Jimmy Butler's closer. He's in that type of player now where he is a little more scoring than a man. So I'd probably rank him a little bit higher like you did. But yeah, I had the same mindset, but I might have put Jimmy at like 41 in a man at 45 or something like that.

Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Plus he's shooting like 44% from the three point line this year. It's not on a lot of attempts, but it's way better than what he was doing in the past. Kauai and Hardin are in this tier I went out to discourse about them I put them the next tier Oh wow

I still give them credit Because like the team It's got honestly Those two in Zubach Their numbers and how they've been playing Are all very good It's fucking comical The team is so bad

Despite the fact that all three of them Are having relatively good seasons So I think those two are still Both top 30 players We can get into the discourse Or who's better in the next tier It's so hard though Because I'm sure you put them here

Because they are on a shitter team That's leading to nothing Kauai is obviously Unreliable Yeah They're both still performing Like how you'd expect them to perform Yeah dude

Kauai is averaging damn near 50, 49 at this point. And Hardin is putting up numbers that make me feel like it's 2021 or 2020 again at this point in time. I did separate them at first, but I was like, but the clippers are so fucking ass. You guys got to be together. I'm sorry. And the team is bad. I think it's basically more comical the roster construction they have.

They can have three. But I think it's top 45 players in the world all playing very well and they still suck shit. Terrible rest of the roster around them. It's so stupid. They are cooking. Brandon Ingram, shout out him making your list. Yeah, I mean, simple, you know, like, he's a part of the reason why Scotty Barnes is having a much better season than he was last year, specifically, offensively. They're playing more winning basketball.

He said, dude, he deserves a shoutout. Okay. Donovan, who you got here? At 40, I have OG. 39, I have Kauai. 38, I have Jalen Duren. 37, I have Desmond Bain. 36, I have Jamal Murray, 35, Larry Markening, 34.

See, and this is my fault. I actually messed this up. So that 38, Kauai should be at 38. OG should be at 39. And then Jada McDaniels should be at 40. Because you put Duren twice for people who didn't. Yeah, I put Duren twice accidentally.

And you want Duren at 34 and not 38? Yes. Okay. And so we're going to have Lari at 35, Duren at 34, Aaron Gordon at 33, Rudy O'Bair at 32 and Bam at Ardibio at 31. I struggled so hard to bam out of bio. Same.

Spoiler, he's like right next. He's at like 30 or something like that. Pure reputation pick. and defensive value. I have grown to detest his offense and talk about it since last year. Do not like it at all, but he's still a very good defensive player,

obviously, DPOI level and can stretch the floor now. So I also put him in this range, but man, do I hate his offensive game? Yeah, and that's kind of why it's, he's right there with Gobert, where, like, obviously, like, his offense isn't as bad as Gobert

in terms of, like, skill-wise, but Go-Ber, and the way Go-Ber is, like, catch a lot of these days, it's like, hey, shout out to you, right? And even if your offense was some of the, worst that we've ever seen because you are so impactful on defense, you still deserve to be on this list. And a great defender at that position specifically gives you a lot more value than it does if you were like just a regular good offensive player at, you know, six, two or

something. If you were like a Cam Thomas, right? I'm not going to lie. I want to put Gobert good amount higher. I show restraints. Yeah, man. I showed restraint. I was thinking about Gobert top 30. I really want to do it. Gobert has hit a second wind offensively. where it's like he has his veteran savvy now to know how big he is and be much more strong of a finisher. It started at the end of last season when they got into this good rhythm

with Julius Randall as a playmaker on the short role instead of positioning him in the corner they got him rolling downhill throwing lobs big to big passing to Gobert. That really clicked something now. Gobert finish is so fucking strong over people now.

He's having his best rim finishing season of his entire career, still dominant on the boards. Every bit as impactful defensively as he ever has been in Minnesota after a down year last year when they got the Randall thing going. They're fully comfortable now.

He really is to still a top 30 player at this moment. I wish I put him higher, man. I do wish I put him higher because he's still carrying an entire other side of the basketball court for Minnesota. And without him, this Minnesota team would be in the same tier as like the Golden State Warriors in terms of just overall wins and went on in the Western Congress. How many more wins that have?

Then like two more wins than them? No, no, no, I can't be. Is it? Let me see. I think it's sizable. Maybe, but even even then. I still feel so much better about the wolves. Yeah.

Than I do about the world. Especially just projecting towards the playoffs. Yeah. You're right. The wolves are 17 and 10. Yeah, four more wins than the war. Warriors, the Warriors have played so many games. They're 13 and 15.

Yeah, they're, their schedules atrocious. Yeah, they're 60 versus 9 seed. But yes, shout out Goberra. He should be higher, probably. I was just like, I don't know, maybe didn't have the guts put him above Triang and and Palo and Cano for, I don't know, superficial reasons. But this, this season, just these 30 games, so much better than those guys. Who's Murray?

Is that Keigh Murray or? That's Jamal. I fucking hope it's not Keogh, that's Jamal. Oh, he's not Keogh, that's Jamal, wait a little. Jamal Murray, wow, he's 36, that's kind of crazy. Because obviously, I'll say, I'll say this, from like 25 to 36 is, that was the hardest range for me. Same. Because I feel, I feel pretty good about, like, where my, where my top 20 is and about how I see, like, the value of those players and, and who's, who's there and, like, who has their spots kind of solidified.

This middle tier of guys who are clearly, like, either all-star level or are making all-star leaps or are just year over year, that all-star caliber player, that is super, super hard. And so I, like, halfway did, like, a big picture, I guess, on, on these guys a little bit more than, like, this season. That's fair, that's very fair. Because it's, like, overall, over, like, a three-year stretch in the playoffs, how would I see you? How would I view? I don't know. And so, Jamal, it's having a great year. I still sometimes think, like, would I rather have, like, Yokic and Aaron Gordon over Yolkich and Jamal Murray?

Maybe. Maybe. I might be able to replace some of, some. of the scoring that Jamal Murray does a little bit easier than finding somebody who could do what Aaron Gordon does and especially if you're moving them even off of the nuggets

into a different team what Aaron Gordon does and especially the fact that he is a real-life Uder now. Yeah. It's kind of, it's super, super hard to parse those two guys against each other. Yeah, and I know I totally understand before this year I'd be in agreement with you. Jamal Murray is having a

ridiculous season. Yeah. And it's not just hot shooting, I think, because we've always known General Murray comes into years out of shape and plays himself into it. And like, I'm sure there's a reasonable strategy behind that as a professional athlete. I don't think he was like lazy or anything like that. Well, this year they decided not to do that because they wanted to have a good start to the season. And he came in in tip top shape looking like play out of Jamal Murray. And for the first time we're seeing clear all-star production. This guy is just one of the best scores in the NBA right now. He has, in terms of advanced stats, one of the best offensive plus minus impact in the league.

and it shows 63.36% true shooting percentage on 26 points per 75 while being on ball 36%. That is just like superstar production. That's like Donald Mitchell numbers. He's been insane in all regards, been playing making better than ever has, leading bench units better than he ever has.

He's earned my respect this year. Previously, I would have been in agreement with you. I'm choosing to believe it's real because of the in-shape stuff. But overall, I do agree with your sentiment that Aaron Gordon is almost as valuable. Yeah, so it's not crazy place. I think it would have had Maria

probably above Mark and Duren. bare minimum but him alongside Aaron Gordon I can understand that shout out OG and I'll be making both y'all's list I don't know how y'all had spots with these like role players like him and him and man Thompson and stuff like there's so many all-side level guys well I think I think OG

and I'm very happy that you put him at 34 I thought that I was doing a lot just putting him on the list yeah but the defense every single night is all defense exactly and then the fact that you pair that with oh yeah I caught up my homie dirt in the summer And now I can just shoot like crazy. He's shooting 40% from three.

He's shooting like 50% from the corners. Like it's automatic. And so when you provide that level of defense and that level of shooting and spacing and actually like big time shots, I feel like you have to be on here. I respect it. Yeah, it's a similar type of argument for Aaron Gordon, same type of player. So I get it. I just, again, there's so many guys that have either made All-Star games or Will that like

I wanted to applaud him in Thompson. I also want to put stuff on Castle if I could Couldn't get him on there Guys like that guys like OG would be in like the 40 to 50 range Also shot does in Bain make on your list I hadn't considered him because it's such a horrible start to the year But the last and I looked at it because like Watching the Magic and especially like whenever

Paolo was out like you watch you watch them You're like okay Bain obviously isn't playing as bad as what he went And so you look at it the first 10 games of the year Trash yeah The last the last 16 since since that since that like 10 game line he's been Desmond Bain he's been shooting high 30s from three he's been shoot he's scoring like 22 23 5 and 5 like doing really good stuff and so I think

that now we're starting to see his numbers start to recover he's had like he's had like 37 like three times damn like either either and I need to double check that but he's had really really good scoring games multiple times over the last 16 games so I think that he's kind of recovered into what he is. And so I like Desmond Bain. I like what he provides. Last 15 games, 21.9 points on 57% true shooting. First 11 games, 14.9 points on 52% true shooting. So definitely has improved. Still only 48% on twos, which is very strange for Desmond Bain. He's never had a year of this regard where he's that bad inside the arc. And that's why I throw spacing. Sure. But the two point shot got fixed from 27 to 39, which is everything for him. I'm sure

the two-point shot will come around and be normal like we know does in Bain to be. He has enough sample size of his career that I'm not going to assume his scoring is changing at all at age 28 or whatever he is. So fair enough. Okay. I like that.

I like that. On to the next tier, we're going to the top 30 guys, the guys we would normally rank. Donovan starting us off because he went last in the previous tier. Donovan, who do you got from 30 through 21? At 30, I have a men Thompson.

29. Seacom. 28, Palo. 27, I have LeBron. 26, I have Julius, Randall, 25, Abcat, 24, James Hardin, 23, Jalen Johnson, 22, D. Aaron Fox, and 21, Anthony Davis. Okay, so let's get into the LeBron conversation. It's finally time. I'm sorry, it's, I, listen, we got, we, we have the LeBron jammies on. I don't think

LeBron is a, I don't think LeBron is a top 20 guy right, right now. Did you see the game last night? Probably not playing the jazz. Thursday night football is on. I was watching both. Last five games, he's gone going. Exactly. He looks like last year of LeBron. I don't. And here's, we over, over the years, whenever people have, you know, their 25 games or 30 games or whatever stretches. Yeah.

Depending on what we think is going to happen or what we have seen happen, we subjectively say, I don't believe that. Or I believe that. I don't think that LeBron moving forward, once we start getting into game 77. Yeah. I don't think we're going to get this version of LeBron. I feel you.

I also struggle with this. I put him a little bit lower than I would have last year or before the season for same reasons because obviously, you know, we all know the story. He got hurt in the off season. Had it setback in his recovery. From the reporting, it seems like he didn't do a single basketball activity for the entire summer.

No training camp. Wasn't cleared until the season was already going. Came back, again, off of seven months of probably barely touching a basketball outside of shooting drills, looked absolutely horrendous, was averaging like 16 points on terrible efficiency with no defense, no activity

for the first, what, like eight games he was back? If that was the case and that was the level, he wouldn't be a top 50 player. Like, that wasn't a particularly good player at all. Like, he wouldn't be in the conversations. It's a little interesting because we've seen LeBron play at age 40 before. We've seen him be good. We've seen him have a great season last year,

which he was all NBA level, and we've seen year after year when he's hidden these ages where it takes him a bit to get going. So it stands to reason that with the biggest layoff and basketball activities of his entire career, probably his entire life without touching a basketball, he'd be even worse than before. So now five games in a row now,

he's averaging over 20 points looking good, especially with Austin Reeves last night. There was a lot of moments where they were playing better with him on the court and Luke on the bench, playing against the jazz, running the ball through him. Maybe that's a Luke problem, which we'll get to. But I think he had 24 points last night,

nine assists, something like that. I can't remember the exact stat line. Look like LeBron, he has a physical pop back again. You gotta just have to choose which interpretation you want to take a projection because it has to be pure projection with a 41-year-old all-NBA player you've never seen before, either you're going to believe that every year of his career post-37

of playing at this level, despite being slow and unable to jump, that's who he's going to be now that he's got his legs going, or you believe 41 is a ridiculous age and he'll get more hurt than ever. He'll continue to be inconsistent and up and down and come playoff time. You'd rather have Julius Randall. Yeah, LeBron, at this state in his career, is going to look like something we've never seen before. And at the start of the fourth quarter in that Utah Jazz game, he locked in defensive. I mean, he was like a big cataly. He was like a big cat, I don't know as to why they, of course, we've had an amazing game, too. But this is what, like, this age of LeBron looks like.

Over the last four games, in that Utah game, he gave him 28. And over the last four games, he's been averaging 25, 8, and 7. Typical LeBron stat, 54% from the field. And the three-point shot has been, like, ass over the last few games. But, needless to say, obviously, that will turn around. I would rather believe that LeBron still would have remained somewhere around a top 25 to top at max. like 18 player in the league because of the smarts the pass and the rebounding all that

how he positions positions himself defensively he's been truly like playing like over the last few games like he's been finally like finding his rhythm offensively yeah he's only paid nine games so it's an incredibly small sample size what i pulled up here is his last three games versus the first six those numbers are astronomically small what the reality is we probably can't take anything from any of this in terms of knowing concretely who he is we need more time to see with all the really specific circumstances we just mentioned at this age but last three games

24.7 points, 6 assists 64% true shooting that's far more what you'd expect than the first six games which was at 14 points 47% shoot at and that's what you said that's not a top 50 player right

that's not a top 60 player 200 players and I will say like we're picking the pure projection for where he is unfortunately for the rest of the year just burned in my mind

will be the graphic of LeBron and arthritis. It's just going to be there, right? I'm pretty sure that was a clever way to have to look managed though. But I'm sorry, it's out there. You have done crazy marketing. And so shout out to

whoever made that graphic because I can't separate a lot of the stuff. And even outside of like the arthritis, we have seen over the last couple years of lebron scaling scaling up giving giving um like maximum effort and then it not being consistent on a night on a night tonight basis and so while we are here again even this is the christmas episode but like before january 1st as you start getting into again game 40 40 whatever 55 getting into into the playoffs if you get to the second round you're playing

every other night, how much are you going to be able to to give the team every single night? I'm not sure about that right now. And so that's why I do think further down the line, this is probably going to be a little bit more indicative of LeBron as opposed to where he is, you know, this week. Yeah, this week or even in the next like month or so. Yeah, that's fair. It's fair to have concerns. I feel obliged to give him benefit for the doubt more so than anybody ever.

I will say, again, because we have these on, I feel like I should have him higher. but like I would have just a little bit higher I think I respect your low end Randall Cat and maybe Hardin I can't get behind Yeah Randall and Cat is disgusting That's ridiculous That's insane I didn't even rank Randall Listen I shouldn't rank Randall but I forgot

Cat offensively right has had like Up and Downs for the most part His defense has been better this year Yeah I think Mike Brown's on a better Of putting him in a good scheme for him And all the defense of metrics say he's been better I still saw on that cup game There's one play hit a back pedal on transition

He's the worst backpedaler I've ever seen in my life He goes, whoa, like to fall down. So, yeah, I'm not really buying. He does look like that. He's a good season defensively. We've seen many years of Kat in the playoffs. We know what the defense is going to be like. So salute him playing well in these 20 games defensively.

Doesn't change my evaluation long term. So Kat and Randall, I can't get behind. Maybe Hardin's defense has also been cataclysmic this year. He is not trying defensively at all because the team sucks. But Jalen Johnson, Fox, Davis, I can understand going with those guys. Yeah, Jaylon and it's like, you know, we talked. about Tray's game last night, and you look at the boss score, and it's like, dang,

like, my, my eyes immediately went to find Tray's stat line and see what was going on. And I was like, it's not good. And then you look right back up and it's like, 43! Like, this is, it is crazy. He's a bucket. It's crazy. Yeah. And I was, I was joking around, a halfway joking.

Like a couple weeks ago on stream about like stat inflation and, you know, Jaylon Johnson's averaging these crazy numbers. And part of it, I do believe, but the other half of it is, to be able to take advantage of every opportunity that is in front of you and to be able to score 40 multiple times in a year, to be able to do that and also have the playmaking chops that you've also shown

and do that. Obviously, Tray's not back like fully in the fold of things, but even whenever he's there to still be able to get your game off in that way, it is very encouraging for his growth and what he's done this year in the leap where we have to have serious conversations. and I feel like you and a lot of the Hawks fans are so much more comfortable with the idea of trading Trey away because it's like hey Trey we're good

we have we have Zeeland Johnson he should be some Hawks fans are he's not because he has an undying love in his heart for Trey young but you're right he should be more comfortable with it listen man at this point at time okay he may not he may not want it you're definitely more comfortable with it though at this point in time yeah I'm way more comfortable with it than the conversation that we were having like last year yeah because of this level of ascension And in my mind, when I think about Jalen Johnson, I think about a guy who came out

to do, played no for real, no games. I had a very wonky college career. And he also was a two-year player, the first two years in the league, under Milk Dudmick-Millan. They didn't get no type of burn at all, bro. He had his rookie year really in, like, his third year of the league, right? And he just had a super delayed entry into the league. And now we just like, I want to put a cap on him as a player. Like, we see a certain ceiling for most guys in the league, most guys who can.

can be somewhat of a star and whatnot, but for him, he just keeps on fulfilling these, like, cat breakers is what is what they call my guess and 2K and shit. And he's just, like, going through them host constantly and he's getting better and better. So, I don't know, man, like, Jalen Johnson is just, he's a unicorn. Yeah, we'll get to him. I want another conversation about him compared to some of his peers of his position, but he's clearly top 30.

Shout out Seacom, making your top 30. He was in my previous tier in the 40s or in the late 30s. I'm sure Moe also has him this tier as the known Seaccom lover. Let's see what you got. Yep. Right there. Same spot. Locked in.

30 through 20. I have Jail Duren, Siakum, Mobley, Bam out of bio, Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson, Denny Avdia, Franz Wagner, Deere Fox, and at 21, I have Jamal Merlin. Much to unpack here. First, I want to say you are victim to TikTok propaganda. You've let the youth get to you. Evan Mowgli is not like 15 spots lower than it was last year

because he stayed the same. We got to stop overreacting to Evan Moby not making the leap. He's still a DPOI level defender. He's a DPOI level defender and all that. I get it and I love it. But, man, there's just much to be. desire when it comes to. Denny's hooping, bro. He's, he's an all-star this year. At least he's he's an all-star player. I don't know if I actually make it, but he's legitimately an all-star

this year. And I think I could say the same things. No, I can't say the same things about Evan Mobley, but when it comes to saying, like, viewing how, yeah, the conference sucks, but when it comes to going back to what I was thinking about how I view these players, which one I'd rather have starting out my organization, it's a legit conversation. Now, they're in the same tier, of course. There's not like an insane gap. between the two in my mind. But Denny is truly like continuously ascending to being a lead ball handler wing who's a do-it-all type guy can thrust his way into the rim. He will get free throw attempts in the most ethical way possible, whatever it is. And at this point in time,

unethical for real. And at this point in time, like he just continuously just gets better and better, bruh, he's the point guard for this team. He's the small forward industry. He's the everything for this team. Yeah, I don't really have anything against Denny. He was on my list. I think he got, did have him in the previous year? I think I did. I think he already ranked him like 35 or so much. that has earned his way in these conversations. I think he's an all-star level guy. Evan Mobley, you just had to start your team. That's a preposterous overreaction to me. I think for this season, that's fair. Denny's offensive production is crazy. It's like 25 and 7. Like, that's impressive. Yeah. But in terms of long-term outlook, the team is a mess. They have no ability

to generate pain touches and get the ball moving and create easy looks for Mobile like last year. So his scoring hasn't taken the leap because they need him to do on-ball stuff. That's probably not his bag. He's going to be an off-ball player. And that's where I have to reconfigure where I place him in my mind right now. Fair. That's a lot of value. He can still do some stuff. The offensive ecosystem is really bad there. In the day, he is still one of the most gifted defenders on the planet while still being an 18 point per game score. I don't know where you have

Chet, clearly higher. He's not that much worse than Chet still. I rank Chet higher, obviously, but they have to be within striking distance of each other, I think. Just Mowgli is still one of the best defenders alive. Yes, he still is that, but considering, yes, he can shoot too, but it's different levels of shooters compared to someone like him and Chet and I think the offense, the handle, and all that, how he can access certain spots, a lot of spots over

where I just obviously like mobly he needs guys to set the table for him yeah I agree I have chat higher but yeah Moby's a lot higher than 28 to me actually not a lot higher I think I have him in this year let me not let me not do what you need to me and pretend it's but I think 28 and some of the names of him I'm like next year when things stabilized I think will once again having Mowby pretty high if you want to put them lower for this year so you got it again I respect it but I do think that one will be the one that we look back on and say why are we overreacting so hard to a slow start for the team all right I have Franz Wagner at 30

one spot above Palo Bankero let's put those buddies together Bama de Bio 29 which again I feel very obligated to do I don't know I'd probably right

honestly when I sent this in I couldn't change it I wanted to flip that I think I'd rather have Franz than Bam out of Bio but I don't know that's tough

Carnalty Town is 28 Deeran Fox 27 Kauai 26 Hardin 25 Jamal Murray 24 Jalen Johnson 23 Scottie Barnes 22 Evan Mobley 21

Yeah Janeline Johnson, Scotty Barnes. Let the conversations begin. And really, Mowbly, too. These three, that's the discourse I want to have. So first off, shout out, Jamal Murray. Earning is spot in the top 25 for me. I said his season has been truly ridiculous.

One of the best offensive players in the NBA right now in all the metric show it. Shout out Hardin and Kauai playing great by having the worst team of no demand. I put Hardin higher for moral reasons, which is really anti-Kauai reasons. Hardin's earned the ride to be considered the best player there. Now, he has been a downright of Troches defendant this year.

So I think Kauai is probably better game by game. basis since he came back from the injury quite don't play no defense either for real too he really but he doesn't for his old stand he's not super active but he's such a fundamentally sound smart defender that he'll always be impactful kind of like the jimby other thing so bad as a defender got chris paul fire yeah that's what we're blown kauai has still been a good defensive player like pretty pretty substantially like positive Hardin has been train wreck like early in his career like the offensive burden he's taken on and the way he's kind of like recovered a lot of the burst he lost over the years that energy is being exchanged on the defense event he is not trying

at all. So he probably should be below Kauai, but I can't bear to put Kauai above him. Shout out to Aaron Fox. Once again, top 30 player, Kat, Bama to Bio legacy picks. Mowgli Barnes, Jalen Johnson. How do you feel about that true? That is where, okay, like this is for the first time that these three have been ever in conversation. Elis Jalen Johnson has been a part of these conversations. It's always been Scottie Barnes and Evan Moby. People have been going up and now are backing for opportunities since they've been fucking drafted, bro. You know, and at this point in time, I can see you, I can understand like putting mobile there he feels like the most stable and consistent players

achieve the most in the entire league compared to all these other guys as well but for me personally I think I'm adding in a little bit of projection and also what have you done for me for me lately scotty barnes feels like like the like the perfect layer in between the two because he's achieved some things in the league he's been an all-star and all that yeah you know outside of that there's not really much to talk about and he also had his down years and jalen johnson is just now ushering into these conversations so I can under I can understand saying that. The reason John Johnson's lower is

defense. He's lost the defensive tenacity he once had as he's leveled up offensively. If it's real and we get to like a point where we have 82 gains of him averaging 25 points, you do 40% from three and being the best passing power forward in the league, he'll probably earn a spot above them off of just being a pure legit superstar offensive engine.

I'm giving a little bit more time before it overreacted to that so far. And also I want to see the defense have a step up with Tray Youngback and giving less responsibility to him. So Jaylon Johnson can prove once he gets better balance in the people around him, that he is the all-around best two-way player. I'm open to that possibility.

But for now, leaving him down for defense. Mowgli and Barnes is so tough. Because Barnes is also like a tier one defender. Yeah. It's a little different. He's like a wing defender that can guard big, can switch on to guards. One of the more versatile defenders in the NBA.

I think Mowgli's a little bit more impactful, really just like a positional bias. If you're both atop of your field, the big man is usually going to be a little more impactful defensively. That's close. And offensively, they're both limited. Barnes is a better passer. a little bit better

of a self-created score but that's not saying much he's also not great at that you want him to do as least amount of that as possible is shooting better for now I think when Mobley's

in the right spot with his full healthy team that can generate good looks for him he's a better play finisher which is a pretty nice combo to me when you're a tier one

rim protector who's able to also shoot threes I don't know that's like all three of next each other I'm describing the pros and cons

I kind of just view them all as even I can I can understand that I think I think I have Mobley a little bit higher just because the overall, like, respect for his defense

kind of pushed him over the edge. But we're having this conversation. I'm starting to feel more like you. I'm starting to just feel a little bit more. Scammed isn't the right word, but, like, oversold a little bit. Oh, probably did get ahead of our skis a little bit assuming production would come on ball

that maybe he just never is that. But, like, I don't know. I don't, like, the guys were looking at, too like so jalen johnson can't be that authentically right but he'll never be the defender mowbly is you can parse who you value that i also think scotty barnes will ever be this like lead on ball creator so it goes both ways in this conversation yeah but like you we've seen scotty especially now now that bi's there kind of fit into more of like a natural and like i'm not expecting i'm not expecting mowgli to go out and be like 26 a night right i want i wanted a little bit more

off into than what we're getting right now but not like oh you're one of the best Forest in the league. That never really was like on my mind. But it's also, hey, and I understand Darius Garland has been, you know, injured and in and out the line of, but he's been dealing with stuff. There's no reason why it should be you and D. Mitch and you guys are mid, right? Like, you guys are, you guys are mid. We haven't had a chance to really get into that conversation. They really went down down tremendously in the past week. So next week when you talk about teams again, we'll get into that. That team is broken. Like, I really don't think it's his fault. It's disappointing that he's not the answer and hasn't made the superstar

leave that everybody wanted for him, given his track record and where he was seemingly headed at a young age, is really not his fault that they have Lonzo Ball in place of Ty Jerome who can't do anything with the ball in his hands and has been a disastrous signing and have nobody that's able to create a paint touch and set up Mobley to be a play finisher. DeMitch is not good at that. Darius Garland is a shell of himself. There are no other good patches on this roster. Their entire ecosystem has really fallen apart as the paint catch has disappeared. Yeah.

And like you have right now 11th, 11th in offense, right? They are. Which is better than what you would think. 11th in offense, 14th in defense. They have the same record as the Hawks. They're 15 and 13. They're 3 and 7 in their last 10 games. Yeah.

They've gone through a lot of injuries. I think Moble is out even, I think he's going to be out for like the next two weeks. So shit sucks. But when it comes to Mobley, I think you might be pampering him a little bit. I think a lot of the issues that they have right now are directly because of his inabilities that a lot of people thought that he was going to be able to grow into once he was given more responsibility to bring the ball up and whatnot. There are so many times where someone like Donald Mitchell will be like,

yeah, like this goes, this team is going to go as far as Evan Mobley takes us. He, a lot of the expectations, every, a lot of teams have a certain young player who they try to invest in either emotionally and try to bake him up to the media and whatnot and also like behind the scenes as well. And Evan Mobley is supposed to be that guy. And I think he is that guy. but again, it feels like everyone overshot themselves when it comes to

what he's supposed to be offensive. I agree. I'm putting him at 21. If I, for last year, we would have thought he'd be like 12 or something. I'm already baking in that he's not that guy. I think he's just not going to be that star on-ball creator. That's why he's by someone like Scottie Barnes,

who all of last year was a disaster because he was asked to be that. And I said, put a star score next to him and let him be a secondary offensive player and he'll thrive as a second or third option offensively while being an elite defender that does the small stuff. That's how I'm doing mobile now. Yeah, that's great.

It's also weird. And I feel like, like, we can have the conversation another day. Like, how, in what situations are somebody not taking the leap our fault? And then in what situation? Exactly. Right. Exactly. In what situations is it our fault?

And then in what situations is it their fault? It's both. We're not actually doing it. It's both. In Moby's case, I think it's 100% our fault. Yeah. He's just not going to be a, he's not Tim Duncan. Like, oh, well, he's still a very good player.

Like I said, he's a offensive player who can be a secondary score while being the best defender on his team. Very valuable top 25 player in the world. He'll never be that top 10 guy we hoped, presumably, if things don't change. 100% our fault. He didn't come on and say, I'm going to be a top 10 player. He didn't owe us anything. Yeah, yeah, I agree. That's fair.

I agree. It's just us. We need to tame our expectations here and they're like, we do this. I feel like this is just like NBA fandom. This is just what happens. But every single year, there's a guy who we boost up and we think there's going to be some at that, like most obscure. And for me personally, it was Jarris Walker, complete dog shit.

For you on the high end, I guess two years ago, whatever was Scotty Barnes. And look where we are now, back where we should have been. Yeah, exactly. Didn't kill us. We held on a stop. For you last year, it probably would have been a men Thompson.

And I don't, you have him on your list here. No, it was definitely Derek White. I thought Derek White was going to be much better. Derek White's kind of bouncing back at a terrible start. The chirish is still ridiculous.

Maybe you're not, your deal, your hill isn't dead yet. He was, he was like crazy. That's funny. I don't think there's anything wrong with us thinking Evan Mobley was on his projection.

He won DPOY last year at age 22 or whatever he was. Like, he's just having an off year because the team sucks. He very much can recover. Like, the story isn't written on Evan Moble after a bad 25 game stretch

in which the team environment that should enable him to be effective has crumbled. He better. He better. He better. This feels like

fucking young QB discourse where somebody's offensive line gets hurt and gets beat up and we're like you're a bum we never should have expected you to be good

Jaden Daniels like if it feels very dramatic to be to completely write off Moby right now. He's not getting written and I'm not writing him off necessarily but

I could see a world and where like he could be better than man out of bar and whatnot and maybe like 20 three or so but he's in regardless i think i view him in the same level in caliber player where like you know you you are usually one of the best still one of the best bigs in the league you are the best defender at least one of the five best defenders in the entire league right now

to date offense can be you know has kinks here and there but you're great player regardless and you also have mowgli barnes and joan and johnson pretty close to each other you just do bam in that mix so yeah we view them in the same tier clearly you just have some of the guards above them that I went towards the defensive guys but overall the same conversation moving on to the top 20 mo who do you have from 20 through 11 sheish man okay so at 23 through 11 i have austin reads at 20 that's so fucking crazy 19 bra James 18 jdub 17 chat 16 sangoon 15 devon booker 14 ad 13 kd 12 jlin brown and 11 Tyrese max You did something that I wasn't brave enough to do

But I really wanted to do I also have Maxie Brown on Durant 11 through 13 But not in that order Okay I put Durant at 11 Pure name pick I just purely like

He has I didn't want to put him that high That's what I was talking about The impact of Jason Taylor and Tyre's Halber being gone Is putting guys at 10 11 that I do not feel good about I do not feel good about Durant still being a fringe Top 10 player The playmaking and like just handle in general

Has really taken a nose dive this year He lost a little of a step and it's hard from to handle, same thing to happen to LeBronica a few years ago, can't really blow by people going directly horizontally anymore and it's led to so many turnovers, especially live dribble turnovers.

He really is a shooting play finisher now that still is value. That's still a top 13 player, right? And that's MPJ. I just couldn't bear to put Maxine Brown just because I don't know why I felt weird to me. I was like, let me give KD a little more for the doubt.

I really wanted to do that. So I'm with you. I mean, you felt that way because it's like, it's KD. exactly exactly and and like he's also seven feet tall which i think i think helps if he was if he was doing this like if this was like uh devon booker in in a couple years right well you're just like a regular build to guard and you you have something some of your athleticism went by by the wayside we would probably see it a little bit more kd can still overcome a lot of that because i'm seven

feet tall I can shoot over anybody and I'm also once again like just one of the greatest shooters ever so I I understand like wanting to put him above that I feel like I also had a I also had a moment where I gave Katie the respect yeah in in terms of my rankings and whenever we get there because it is in this tier I'll talk about it but it's like we can have whatever conversation and then we're just going to finish it and be like bad at the end of the day You know, it's Katie. Exactly. That's really all it comes down to me.

You know, I justify it to myself. I justify it to myself that in a playoff setting, I think, could be the most valuable score in the half court and his game will. It has its little downsides now in a regular season setting. But come playoff time, I'm almost certain that when they get deep into playoff setting, and Shangoon's little floaters aren't falling. Maybe the three is going to look cold and he's being a great playmaker, but you don't want Shangoon taking the last shot because he's not having the best game.

I'm almost certain Kevin Durant's going to have those moments. So that happens. And he takes up and has a 30-point game because it's very important. Yeah, exactly. And it's about KD, but also it's about the two other players that I have above a maxi. Like we talked about him, I guess, one of the last few episodes that we had, he's having a ridiculous season. And he's playing like he's one of the best players in the entire league so far. Of course, is why having a top 11, brother.

Playmaking is ridiculous. He genuinely, like, took a step up from there. He is the only one of the main reasons why damn near the sole reason why this 76th team is like they have a pulse. You know, they can do something this season. They're just not like shooing it off because of the dire Doyle and B situation and what's been happening with Paul George and whatnot. Like through all the inconsistence, he has nothing but inconsistency surrounded around him. It's a day game by game based on something like Quentin Grimes.

Joel and Bid, you don't know what's going to happen. If he's going to show him and give you like 15 to 17 points a game or whatever, or if he's not going to play at all. Paul George has got thrown into the fold. Vijay Hitchcombe, he's a rookie. He's going to do rookie things. Tyreexie's giving you 30 points every single night, taking like seven, eight, nine threes a game, knocking down a like a crazy percent of them,

while also playmaking at a level which you've never seen before from someone like him. He's been incredible. Yeah. Sangoon versus Hongren. We'll get into that. That's a good debate. We'll see where we all rank them with them. We'll get into that because those two are going to be, I'm assuming, right next to each other for all of us.

Because that is a quintessential style of play debate, both of them being damn near the peak of their play style right now at a young age. Reeves at 20. Anthony Davis at 14. That interests me. Yeah. AD is the probably the hardest player to rank, I think, right now. Yes, exactly. I think right now one thing that studies with AD is that his defense is still ridiculous,

like offensively, it comes and goes here and there, and he hasn't had necessarily the best season. He's had, he's had constant up and now. Actually, he's worse season of his private offensively. Yeah, exactly. Like, day to day, Dave is a very real thing. And, like, he just hasn't been fully there. So I think this is a little bit of name, but the defense is still utterly ridiculous. His impact is, like, truly can be, like, put down in any metric at all.

Like, whatever the papers say, whatever the numbers say, he's better than that. And I think there's a little bit in name reputation and also the defense for me personally. And I'm hoping that the offense carries on and scales up a little bit. I got good news for you. The metrics also think he's a good defender still. 96 percentile and darko DPMY. So very good defenders still impact numbers say that. I put him top 20 for everything you're saying.

He is currently 54.9% true shooting. 23.8 points for 75 while not being very much a playmaker. It's not that good offensively right now. I'm willing to give him benefit to doubt. There's no guards in that team, no one to set him up. He's playing power forward at times, which is ugly. We know he shouldn't do that when Kyrie comes back or preferably another point guard down the line to supplement Kyrie and have two good

playmakers. You mean on a different team? Yeah, maybe if he gets traded. And Josh Giddy sets him up. Oh, my gosh. Whatever it looks like, I think. Yo, he's going to be feasting if that happens. Yeah, he needs to be a play finisher now.

He can't create the ball in his hands anymore. That's kind of cooked to an elite degree. doing it secondarily is one thing, but he is still a dominant play finisher when he's set up with a crease to attack. Doesn't have anybody set up those creases right now, so I'll cut him bail there. But I can't put him above Sengoon and Holmgren

at this moment, just with, one, the inconsistency, the injury stuff is reaching a point that you can't ignore, even as someone like me who doesn't typically hold that against people. There's that, the lack of creation in the half court. The defense is still very good in the half court. Year by year, he's becoming worse and worse of a transition defender, and that's really starting to hurt him now.

I think Holmgren's a better defender, while being also a play finisher that's a little more efficient. Sangu and a better creator. I have them in this range, but I struggle to put them above those young guys right now. Yeah, that's fair.

Again, this is purely reputation while also hoping that, okay, things will be better for you offensively. That's fair. We'll get into Reeves and I'll sell the bra on this tier. Donovan, who you got? At 20, I have Scotty Barnes,

19. I have Evan Mobley, 18, I have Franz. 17, I have Devin Booker. 16, I have Chet. 15, I have J-dub. 14 I have Janan Brown 13 I have

Shangoon 12 I have D Mitch 11 I have Maxi Okay Shangoon at 13 I got to I got a respect You gotta give it to him This is the first time you ever put him this high You have to respect everything that Shangoon is doing And because

Because of where Because of like Where KD is at in his career as we just talked about There's a lot there's a lot of nights where you're looking at Houston and you're turning towards Sangoon a little bit more than you thought you were going to do at the start of the year. And so he has opened up everything.

The three is there. Respectable for sure. Right. The three is there this year. He's going, he's also like a crunch time guy. Like one of the main guys that I thought at the beginning of the year to win like clutch player of the year was going to be KD because I was like, okay, they're just going to give the ball to KD and he's going to ISO at the end of games.

They're letting Shangoon go one-on-one. they're like the end it's one of the best one of one players in the league that's what i'm saying the end of games are happening and shangoon is out here going toe to toe having you know these like many duels with with uh with yoke some sometimes his scoring is fantastic his playmaking is good his spacing is is is good within that that team his defense is also just respectable fine like i i am so happy with everything that shangoon is doing i think that he legitimately is a top 15 player yeah i definitely these top 20 and I I'm on the fringe of top 15 as well. Everything you said is so true. He is such a

unique player. On ball creation being physically impossible to deal with and being a mismatch against almost any defender. He's one of the best in the league. What made him go from a top 40 player last year to top 20 for all of us consistently can shoot the ball now from three, which has been the big thing I've been asking for because I don't think he'll ever be an inside the arc of fish and score self-creation. He just doesn't have the athletic traits I think because he relies so much on strength and overwhelming people with footwork that this is a lot of difficult shots he takes from his own self-created looks and he's not going to be like a lop thrott or anything to be in the lead play finisher so you need to be a floor spacer and be able to shoot us catch and shoot

three that has done so much for his long-term value as well as the playmaking responsibility now for everybody went out we said what are they going to do there's no point guard points and sang good is what they're going to do that was clear his day he's done everything you want from him he has reset level that not quite yokech level but like a bonus level of a playmaking hub and being able to be this six or seven assist guy, he's done that now. He's become the baby Yokish that people have always said he was,

but he never really flexed up passing like he did as a prospect. Now he's doing that, and that makes him one of the most effective engines in the league. He is built so weird, and I say that, and I say that, like, in the most complimentary way possible,

because his style of play, where he gets his strength from, like his center of gravity, all of that, it's so hard for any, like, regularly NBA, seven footer to guard him and to figure out like okay do I do I stop him here do I stop him here like where where am I leaning my my body weight on and he's able to take advantage of so many people in

in the post going downhill I like that helps his scoring a lot it's really like to mark his cousins like in terms of he's shorter a little bit less powerful but in terms of like being big and hard to deal with and with that footwork and like side to side twitchiness when he's attacking you going back and forth doing the crazy footwork getting around you with the drop steps and he's that strong and that wide, it's so hard to stay in front him without fouling. And most bigs at that size don't have the, I'm not even saying handle, but like ball control, move all control your body. It is handled it. It's hard.

Yeah. I agree. I have them closer to Moe. I think I have at 17. We'll go into mine now. I, no, 18. 20 LeBron James. 19 Anthony Davis. 18 Shangoon. 17 Holmgren. 16 Devon Booker. 15 Austin Reeves. 14 Jalen Williams. J-dub. 13 Jalen Brown. 12 maxi 11 Durant Yeah Man so this

So that tier of like JDA Brown Macs Brown Maxie Durant Yes That's also like a Like mini tier for me One of the things that I was struggling a lot with

Is am I Because they're all like so so close Mm-hmm I was like Do I put Shingoon above KD? Like I thought about that too I was thinking about that a lot And then ultimately I was like

I mean it's KD Would give him the nod But there's so many nights while I'm watching the Rockets, I'm like, I think Shangoon's the best player on this team. It's hard because he has the most humble responsibility and that's naturally reminds him to go as the best player. He has that first star usage type of like role

that I think we automatically prescribed to being the better player. So I definitely thought about it too. And I think that's another thing that only 25 games in the season, wait and see how the Kevin Durant season goes and especially the Kevin Durant playoffs. I expect him to playoffs, Kevin Durant will be the most important player in terms of like title

ceiling. But I'm with you. If we see this transcend to the playoffs, I'm with you. and Kshanku and higher, I'll probably, if maybe put them both like 14 and 15 and Durant's 15. Yeah. Yeah. What's so interesting to me in your list is how highly you have Austin Reeves. And I was doing this like range and right right now my list. I'm like, holy fuck.

Like, I'm around like 18, 19. And I'm just like, hold on, wait, like, Austin Reeves is coming up soon. I can't name 20 more NBA players better than Austin Reeves. I had Austin Reese closer to 20 at first. And I sat down and I said, Devin Booker is 16 or 15 at that time. why should I put Devin Booker above Austin Roos right now besides track record and in 2021 in 2022 he was the best player on a deep team

This is not a reason Tell me what he's better at than Austin Rees right now Coasting off name right now Dude his three four percentage is driving Took a hard no he's not Driving cars Oh driving cars Devin Booker's awesome in driving cars

He is very good And this isn't the disparage Devin Booker It's that he's Devin Booker He is the quintessential two guard star That is clearly the best player on his team And like the team's good right now and he has tons of valuable offensive skills as his score on ball and off ball

while being a solid playmaker, right? Very solid all around with very little weaknesses aside from a three point shot. Austin Reeves has some of the most elite skills right now in the league from his position. Look at this right now. At the rim, Austin Reeves are shooting 78%.

That's ridiculous. That's like Shea numbers. That's better than Shea. I don't know if Shea's ever had that in the season. Nine free throw attempts a game. Those two combined crazy driving ability. 55% from Florida range. 37% from three.

when he takes outlandishly difficult three is at a high volume. 27 points for 75 possessions all around incredible. The advanced metrics up here show he is 98th percentile for his position of guards in offensive impact.

Devin Booker's at 3.1 is at 3.6. Similar there, but a little bit lower. What does Devin Booker do better? Maybe he's a little better for a defender, a little stronger? That's the only conversation, but even then no one's talking about Devin Booker

as is a world-class defender at all. Yeah, he's just a little bigger and little sturdier than Austin Reeves and probably defend better in isolation. That's pretty goddamn close. they're both good passers. Booker might be slightly better, but maybe that's because Austin Rees is focusing more on scoring

with Luca being the primary playmaker. I don't know. I think Austin Reeves a better passer. I think this version of Austin Reeves, if you plug him into Devin Booker and any team construction, they'll be just as good if not better in some ways. Yeah, I agree.

And we're just at this point in time where Austin Rees is getting better and better, and he's a guy who I could look at and I feel comfortable with putting him at the helm of my offense because time in and time out again, he just continues to, similar to Jaylon Johnson, to just blow past by my expectations for him

and what I thought he was going to be. But he's averaging 27 a game this year, bro. 67% true shooting? What the fuck? This got a superstar at that rate. This is where we're talking about NBA inflation, but like this was not supposed to happen. You're getting too good.

But he's the thing, that just doesn't happen at all, though. That's not normal. Like, 667 is crazy. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Like, I feel like some of this has to be unsustainable. Like, this is truly one of the best scoring seasons of the last five years at this point,

especially given his role and not even being the primary on-ball guy, not even having that type of, like, Luca usage. Like, this is truly remarkable that maybe doesn't sustain and he drops down closer to 20 where we have like AD and LeBron and stuff. In fact, that's probably likely to happen. But at this rate, this isn't a small sample size per se, like he's been healthy the whole time. This is a good amount of games where you've seen him be second option,

first option when Luca missed his time. He scales up and gets 40 his game winner. He has done nothing to say we shouldn't rank him here. There's really no downside other than the playoffs. last year in which he performed poorly but he came back they talked about in the summer about him adding extra strength after seeing he got physical overwhelmed and now he's shooting almost 80% at the rim because he got bulkier everything translates and is really trackable logically well okay well and that's not even like this isn't even his fault but we we really just

have to wait and see to see if like that actually made made a difference or that was like the issue we have to wait until until the playoffs to see that but yeah I think everything like for the last three years, I feel like we've always looked up either around this time or around February and we're like, yo, how good is Austin Reeves? Because he just keeps having these leaps and having these jumps, especially in scoring. And so when you're at that level, like having him at 15, I can't be mad at it. Like I would still, obviously like I have shingled higher. I think I would have Chet higher just because of, you know, positional value. But this isn't a crazy range.

It's so weird for us and you're used to because, like, bro, you're not a young player. You're 27 years old at this point in time. Like, I thought that at this point in time, like, his, the leaps that we're going to see, been past and he was just like this spunky white boy who gave you a little something, 15, 16 points of the game and whatnot. Just continues to get better, bro. It's ridiculous. Yeah. And again, I'm obviously doing the high end.

He'll pace probably closer to 20 if we don't give, like, utmost respect to this 25 game sample. I'm just choosing believe this real. if it goes on a 20 so would be it but I'd rather just enjoy it and give him the highest ranking I'm probably ever gonna be able to give him you're a linguist man you got it yeah man what am I gonna do

like be not be optimistic boss three just fuck out of you Chet versus Shangoon that is so hard for me right now you guys both win Chet slightly below Shangoon because Shangoon has made an offensive leap to be the more important

offensive player lead creator's hands I think that's like I put I put one spot higher they're dead even to me like dead even like if I could do ties and put them both at 17 I would do it dead even

I went to Chet, just because you guys know my long-term belief about Chet that there's almost no player in the league I'd rather have on trying to build a good team. He's the perfect second option being probably this year depending on how many games when he makes. He'll probably be the DPOI. He's the best defender on one of the best defensive teams in NBA history, one of the best friend protectors in the league of the modern NBA. Fantastic shooter now. Really, I said now he had a cold stress in the playoffs and stuff. He shot 37% from three almost every year of his career. The two-point shot has come around. He has been incredibly

efficient as a score now that he's recovered from that hip injury. he's never going to be a passer or anything never going to be the on-ball creator that shangoon is but as a play finisher he's really as valuable as it gets currently has 67% true shooting to sanguons 57 because shangun is a lot more difficult on-ball creation shots

the main thing I think that puts him apart is the playmaking for shangoon he's a legit great passer chet isn't nothing there yeah and defensively chet is a superstar defensively shangoon now has the rep of being fine he can be a good on a good team right I think we give him a little bit more juice than we should just because the team construction around defensively is so good

and he clearly isn't a super hard negative that stops him from being a good defensive team, right? So not to say he's anything there. But I think he probably still is an average at best defender and a lot of team constructions would probably still be below average and able to attack. So I do think that defensive gap is pretty big. Scoring would be the deciding factor.

The main difference there is that Chet plays 28 minutes a game because they beat the piss out of teams. You look at Per 75 is a one point per game difference. Yeah. They're so even. I just named like all these little if you make a chart of their pros and cons,

this would weigh out to having the exact same amount of strengths. Yeah, I feel that. I think with Shangoon, the craziest part about all of this is that they don't have a point guard. Yeah, and he's that. And we've talked a lot about like all up and down this list. If you like a guy, if you don't like a guy,

you're going to point to their team construction. And like, we were talking about Mowgli and the Cavs. And it's like, yeah, Garland has been in and out. They don't really have anybody who can go in and set him, up and do this and do that and shangoon is in a situation where they kind of leaned on them and said hey you're just going to have to do it and you're going to have to figure it out because we know that you're not the best defender don't worry don't worry about that we will have that cover you just have to go and get out the mud on the other end and he said all right bet and i'll do it

and i think for so many players in the league there so many players are in situations where they do just have to get out the mud and so when somebody's actually doing it you you it behooves me to give them credit. And I understand that. I think obviously creation is the most valued thing amongst people ranking players and like being the on ball guy. That's what stars do, right? We create the ball in our hands. Not to say it's not true. But that's obviously going to get a lot of weight. I don't think that Shengun is in a bad team construction because he needs to do that. That's what he's good at is putting the ball in his hands. He's in kind of like the perfect team construction to be a point center with great point center with great cutters around him and great defensive players around him.

I think this is the perfect team construction for Shengun. I don't think it's a negative at all. And same thing for Chet, obviously in an incredible defensive team that can he can really shine there. Obviously in a good offensive setting too. Not playing with the playmaker that really sets them up well at all. Shea is terrible at setting up big men for easy lob. So like if Chet had a better point guard, he would be even more efficient. So I don't view their, their circumstances to me as a draw. They're both in good situations for themselves. So I don't take anything away from that. Like look at the bottom row of the efficiency numbers. Chet is at 77% at the rim, 54% from Florida range, 50% on long mid-range jumpers and 40% from

three. Yeah. I mean, that makes sense you should be that efficient when like you are the like you have other guys doing all the work for you in terms of setting up shots and whatnot. And also on top of that too and then on top of that too like you do a lot of your work on the perimeter and you have like, I'm not going to say less

eyes on you and whatnot, but you have a little more freedom of will to just operate this. He's soft and lazy. It's easy to say that like oh other guys set you up. Nobody on this roster is good at setting up bigs. Like he's really attacking clothesouts and granted there's people that need respect around He's not getting double teams and stuff. So there is some element of that, right?

Like, Shea does get attention. No one's helping off of Shea and stuff. He's not being spoon-fed looks by any of these guys. So it's not as simple as, like, it's not go bare catching a lob every time. So, of course, he's efficient. You know, like, it's not quite that easy. Exactly. I agree with you on that.

Wrong verbage that I use there. But I think when it comes to being also, like, the level of score that Sang-Goon is, I'm not saying it's like a wild difference or whatnot, but it's a difference and it's sizable enough for me to put Sang-Goon up there, considering how he gets in the line so much more. obviously he's way more physical of a player and if you do that you're just innately going to be a better score at the end of the day

that's not the nature of the game at all and you have like a ceiling there he gets to the line a good amount I think he gets it like four times a game and whatnot but compare that to Sangoon's like seven or eight a game it's just entirely different ceiling of score. Shingoon has double the on ball percentage double the use to the ball in his hands scores one more point per 75

positions on far less efficiency and to your point you like you said that it is more difficult for his shots right I think it's a valuable skill to be able to create easy shots and be able to finish easy shots like if shingun could shoot 40% from three and 77% the rim as a secondary score like chet would he would do that just like yokech does he does awful and on ball right like it it's not inherently more valuable to be the guy that does it with the ball in his hands versus without yes but also like if he was like if shangoon had the ball in his

hands this much and he was as efficient as chet he's he's joking but like that's the that's the standard of like oh yeah like if if you added this part to his game yes if we added two like two of the better parts of top 20 players they would be the best player in the world and so like part of that i don't think that that standard is necessarily fair when we're talking about this tier when we know exactly what the expectation should be i do think that like for for chet and it 100% is like it really is like you said at the very top of this it's personal preference because there's guys on on this list that we put on there like Aaron Gordon, who you know you're not going to run your team around Aaron Gordon.

You're not going to center it around him. But everything else that he does is so additive. And it's kind of the same around Chet where I don't think Chet can be, like if Shay wasn't there, I don't think Chet is going to be the guy where you are going to run your team and send your team around him. But for everything else that he does, it is very valuable. I just think that Shangoon has, one, grown so much as a player. And then two, this is also, there's also year two of this.

it's not just some like nice little leap last year he's in a situation where yes you have fred van bleep but you don't have kevin derrant and you guys are the two seed you win in 50 games this year you come out you're one of the best offenses in the league with you at the helm of it because right now we're also having conversations of are you better than kevin durrant like that's the that's the level that shangoon is at and so whenever you're watching that every single night i think that's why for me he's getting the the bump because now we're we're seeing consistency in you leading this team into being a high-level team in the Western Conference.

Yeah. Yeah. And again, I'm not disparaging Shingun at all. I'm just saying, like, a lot of it is biased to a certain play style that is inherently treated as more valuable when there's a lot of things that point to the other way that that's why I put them side by side because I do think there is like, there's a, there's like intrinsic value to being going to do that hard stuff, like the star stuff is important. So that's why I'm also giving Shingun that way.

but in a lot of measurable ways Chet is the more impactful player Yeah, I can I can understand That level of the thing If anything like you're way more up Than you've ever been on Shangoon In these conversations In the past you've always talked about

How there's a size of a wall There's not a gap necessarily But there's a difference And now you're like oh shit like They're eye to eye right now And you can't really see how There's one can one up each other At least just at this point

At times I think if I'm doing a redraft I'm taking chat I'm not thinking that hard about it Like I'm definitely picking chat If I want to build a great team But in terms of that's not exactly the conversation. It's like what you're doing in your team environment, how good you are in your roles, etc.

That's me either even. They've earned even stance. Here we go. Top ten. Top ten time. Here we go. Oh yeah, we have LeBron 19 and 20 by the way. We didn't talk about that. We can benefit out a little bit. Yeah. I think he still got it. If he had a treacherous like these last few, if he still was at the same level

with his first six games, come from for the last we'll talk in a couple weeks. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. It's highly unfortunate that he's come back at this weird time for this ranking. is what it is. Top ten time. Let's get into the best players in the NBA.

Once again, Jason Tatum gone, Tyre's Hellebring gone. Both would clearly be top ten. We're all going to have to put somebody at 10. Would Halliburton clearly be top ten? Oh yeah. I think he probably would be.

Yeah, when we hear you know. Maxie D. Mitch. Last year, I was clearly taking Halliburton in the end of last year, especially after that playoff run. You really got to go on as a score. I mean,

it wouldn't have been a huge gap, but I wouldn't have thought about it. Yeah. Okay. That's a hard bar. Sometimes you say clearly we mean big gap. And sometimes we mean, clearly defined small gap and it's clearly defined small gap to me top 10 i have donovan

mitchell ten i have don't know jaylin brunson eight step curry seven anthony edward six wendy five donchich four janis three shea two and yokech one i do not want to put demish top ten you shouldn't have i do not feel like he's been a top ten player but he hasn't at all but neither of the other guys and i had to put somebody here that should be tyrese halliburton actually know that that should be Cunningham because Tatum should be six or whatever and then Tyree's 10 like we should push these guys out

but somebody has to earn their spot there I'm guessing you went Max here or something or no you went Durant which I don't know Durant's been better to do Mitch can't tell you something else I really want to push A1 from what he's earned I know he's just as good as last year

putting up the same numbers on 28 minutes a game or something like that he's better to try so he's having a 26th he's having a 2016 curry season he's currently the best one in the world Like, pretty easily. I want Yokich, because I think best point in the world is something good to lose, and Yokic is still Yokic, still putting up these insane stat lines,

like still is very much what I think is pound for pound one of the best offensive players in NBA history. So I didn't take it from him. It's 1A1B. Shea, if the postseason goes how we think it goes, and we get another OKC title that's probably even easier than last year, and let's say they beat Yokic to get there again, and it's in similar fashion of having won the least efficient playoffs

series of his career, this time next year I'll be putting Shea won, if that happens again. That's, yeah, That's fair. I completely agree with your argument because it's just, Yokic is, okay, so I agree with,

with the argument. I disagree with the, with the ranking though. I do think that there is a medium gap between Yokch and Shea. So you think Yokch is better, like significantly? Yeah, I do.

She, I think, I get it, I think that, like, that Shea, and this is like, She's obviously the driving force.

of this team and they empower him and he is able to do everything and this is why they're on pace to win 74 games or whatever having those defenders around him and obviously he's not a slouch on defense either but like the stuff that the the construction around that team is just so crazy of course of course and like i look at yokic and you know jemal's playing well and gordon has been, you know, in and out sometimes. But Yokic feels a little bit more unstoppable than, than Shea right now. I can't get to that at all. I mean, offensively, of course.

You know, he's Yokish. Yeah, and that's what, that's what I mean. And that's why I did it too. I agree with you. I just, again, we're parsing the same outcome, but just like how close we think it is. It, Shea provides value in every facet of the game and gives nothing back. I think Yokish's defense wasn't overblown. He's a fine defender overall, I think.

but you know there is the defensive weaknesses he still can't be picked on in times we've seen some stretches there where that's at least some kind of chink in the armor right what do we point to to Shea that he's not an elite passer okay he's a fine passer

he's good at setting up threes just not a good interior passer that's his biggest flaw doesn't turn the ball over at all while being an outlandishly efficient score on ball self-created can shoot off ball he should do 40% three now by the way

if that holds what the fuck like you tell me one of the best guard scoring season last year added a 40% three-point jumper while mostly off the dribble that's crazy as hell doesn't turn the ball over that part is highly overlooked

the fact that you cannot be an elite pastor's okay when you constantly lead efficient offense to the ball in your hands and don't give anything back and create turnover opportunities that's part of why

their defense is so good because they never got defending transition because he's never giving it away that is tremendously important that's why he's like not in the Luca conversation to me because he doesn't

give up that many negative plays offensively and defensively of course he's in the best defensive environment I've ever goddamn seen he does his part like he is so important

there everything we talk about with k being a very good rim protector being able to rotate block shots and be big for his size and give an advantage there where you can't pick on your one he does that too like he truly is impactful defensively in a way that you don't often see from guards with his high of usage offensively there's just nothing for me to point to you of any negatives and that's the strongest case an argument for wanting to call someone like say the best player in the world meanwhile like yo could you said she shoots like 40% of three now you can just shoot like 43% from three. He shooting 62% of the field having, again, like one of the most efficient seasons

of his entire life while being the best rebounder in entirely, while also being the best passer in the entire league, averaging career high like 11 assists per game or a league high 11 assists per game. At this point in time, like I think there is not, I'm not going to say it's like a monumental gap because of how complete Shea is as a player like that. It's truly like ridiculous when it comes to seeing how, I don't think you've seen a player like this level of being like complete from his position in like 20 years or so i don't know like it's it's truly like spooky when it comes to thinking about how flawless of a player he is

but in order to like surpass a player like that yokech is truly like Superman but he's he's not human and seeing how he's just constantly getting better from every single right level of the game it's ridiculous and also when it comes to the defensive conversation obviously that's where it's like okay like there's real issues there's been issues with that in the past we've been talking with that obviously he's he's been better he's been decent he's not like no one talks about it for a reason though there's so many other things to talk about his game that's on a truly all-time level some of the best will we'll probably ever see you know and for Shea like he's just stable consistent solid all around but does that like damn your peak levels every single time so I can

understand that but it's it's clear for me you know what it is the difference I think so again I'm with you I am putting yokech higher for reason for everything you said You just at the end of that said, She's, you know, solid, decent levels, all this stuff. Like, I think we, it's so easy and they're not playing fourth quarter so he's not having these crazy moments. Peak levels is what I said, yeah.

Yeah, like, he is also like, it looks different. It's not the points rebounds assist type of thing. If Shea farmed two more rebounds a game and he was averaging 32, 8 and 8 instead of 6 and 6 or whatever, or I think he's a 7 assist right now. But like, you know, if that rebound was a little bit higher and it was like a LeBron stat line of 7 and 7 with the scoring,

we talk about him way differently. he really is for what he does is the score and driver of offense also at that peak level but again Shai Jokane is better but like to me that's a two person tier I think Yannis and Luka incredible

to me they're not in that top tier that's fair yeah we're in the first the top six is just three two people tiers of like Yokit and Shea and then Luca and Janus and then Wembe and Ann

how do you guys feel about Curry Bruns and Cade I have that same tier Yeah But I have Yeah Oh yeah So at

So at number 10 I have D Mitch Number nine Just like you Kade Eight Brunson Seven Curry Six I have Wemby

Five Anthony Edwards Four Luca Three Janice Two Shee one Yokets Okay so we're Exactly in the Same except you put

Ant over Wemby Why is that I put Ant over Wemby More so I wanted to put I initially had Wembe above him, but I was like, ah, like the injury happened. This is, what, two years in a row now where you're missing, sizable amount of time.

Last year was even worse, of course, through the, what do you have last year? Blood clas or whatever was called? De vein thrombosis. It was a blood clot in your shoulder. Yeah, exactly. Scary stuff, happy is healthy. He's back, and he's been dominating, and he started the season blazing hot and whatnot. And he did the thing, and he beat OKC.

He beat OKC in his return, which is insane, played like 20 very clutching men. minutes, you know? I think for my case when it comes to Wembe is that I need to see him do the thing and actually like show life in the playoffs. That's the only thing that's like standing still for anything Edwards. I have to give respect because it's like, yo, like back to back years, you did what felt like was the impossible. You carried this timbre with scenes that have like clear flaws and you just constantly like they're able to circum that because of you slowly becoming an all-time player and it's still like prevailing till this day right now he's again ascended like onto another level as a score specifically and his efficiency has been superb you know

but for someone like wimby i can see the same exact things he just doesn't have the time you know yeah just for that and that's why i don't hold it against him because like it's not like he's failed in the playoffs you know like i'm not holding a blood clot that's crazy i'm not holding that against anybody in like an injury prone conversation and like the thing with the cap strain we have the, this is a different conversation, not even about Wembe. We're going to have to recalibrate this little injury-prone thing. Everybody gets hurt now. Everybody gets hurt in the modern NBA.

Aside from like a Zion situation where you're just like never healthy, like, maybe even John Moran, like, everybody gets a cap strain. Everybody gets a hamstring pool. Like, it's pretty, it's going to be pretty rare. We see these high usage stars, especially two-way stars, play 82 games. So we're going to have to like not allow ourselves to like overreact to like a cap strain or a hamstring and an ankle turn. like yeah that's just the thing now yeah i think the the johns island piece of it like that's the

that like when i say like injury prone or like unavailable that's kind of yeah it's like you're like you play a game you miss too play game missed you like that's yeah that's recurring dbo like like like a kawaii need that's never going to be sound we know that's a thing yeah and i'm not i don't think wembe's in those conversations at all but i'm definitely noticing like you've only been in league this year of course i'm not saying that you are chronically injured and all that but it's something to notice whereas like anything where he's done the impossible twice now back-to-back seasons.

Yeah, and it's easy. It's like, we've all said that because last year was obviously in our mind missed a whole year. He missed like eight games of the cap train this year. Like, that's going to happen to 25 stars.

Yeah, it's just, it's also... Ended too. It's kind of weird just because he also... He makes like seven, eight games as well. He is like seven and five though. And that's yeah, that's why it's going to be in our head

because we assume it'll keep happening. And maybe it will. It very much can. I'm just not holding that against them yet just because, like I said, it's happening all over place. Brunson missed. Who else on this list?

Curry's miss time. Luka missed a few names. Yonis is missing a hell of time. Like everybody besides Yolkich and Shea, which is part of why they're one and two, is going to deal with this. Yeah. Yeah.

But okay, we're in the greens there. Donovan, who you got? I have Yokich at one, Shea at two, Yonis at three, Luca at four, Wembe at five, and at six,

Brunton at seven, Curry at eight, Kade at nine, KD at two. Brunson over Curry. Okay, that's the headline here. Wow.

Okay. What made you? decide to do that to your sweet baby boy step curry i think um man you just see it you see you see it some nights and i think like the the highs of step i still believe that the that the highs are there and when you start seeing like great players get older the the the floor raising is one of the first things that that goes like you can see lebron still being great but he's going to have to be the situation where you're going to need a Luca, right? You need somebody else to help everything out. KD, still an amazing player. You can't just throw KD out there with 4G leaguers and say,

go win 45 games. That's not really going to happen. We're seeing the same thing with Steph right now where he's been so great over the last couple years and they've been able to, you know, halfway withstand Jonathan Kaminga being basically a no-show and like just being waiting to get traded. and all of these draft picks not really hitting and all this stuff, you can kind of have that over the last couple years. This year, it's not really the same thing. The Warriors, we've talked about them just, you know, a little bit. They're really mid.

They're probably going to be in the playing. You need somebody like a Jimmy Butler to score 27. You need these leaps from all these other players to provide the environment for Steph Curry to do what he does. And I just don't think that that is. is necessarily the case with Brunson, who game in and game out is one of the best scores in the league, walks into 28 a night. He is playing off ball more and better than he has for a lot of his career and doing that with this current cast means a lot. He's one of the

clutches players in the league. There's like never a situation where it's five minutes left and I don't want the ball in Brunson's hands and he's going to knock it down every single time. I think he has 100% elevated himself into these conversations where I'm giving, like, Ant is different. I

also had conversations about Brunton versus Ant because I think I think Brunson is that good. He is very good, yeah. I put him top 10, didn't think once about it. Curry is so hard because everything you said, he's not the floor raiser anymore. the team construction is so bad.

Yeah. I do think that Curry still has a unique ceiling for a player at this part of his career that if you do have a better team construction that he could still be like insane. Like we see the Splash games for a reason. I kind of do believe that if you had regular team construction and like they have the all the answer layer parts you want,

they have a role man that can, you know, be physical down low. They have the requisite on-ball shooters and all this stuff that like, I mean off-ball shooters that I think he has a unique ceiling that like maybe even aunt doesn't have. Yeah. I agree. that's okay so i kind of i kind of agree with that but also watching watching step every night there's there's blowbys that he can't get by people right now there's there's plenty of times

where the threes are wide open and they're not going down at the same like even those like those knockout threes that you just know oh step is going to hit those all the time and sometimes you may look up and you look at step stat line throughout a game and all of a sudden he's like three for nine throughout the entire game that hits you know two three's back to back kind of makes the percentage look a little better but for a majority of the game the three wasn't really working i feel like he has to go super super deep into his bag to try and and get his his game off now and it's taking a lot of energy out of him it's fair and so i you kind of see that drop from stuff and so that's why i put uh brunson ahead yeah that's fair it's definitely defensible i do feel like

if you know the situation you're going to see now is so dire like if curry wasn't playing to this level this 37 30 year old man version of him still which is like obviously still a great player this team would be in the fucking lottery road they're so wildly fucking bad it's ridiculous i think i can envision a world where if you were to simply like swap someone like step in brunson sub their teams i don't think you would see anything and i think yeah title for the nix for sure obviously borrowing health and whatnot or obviously not what you know whatever whatever they're making the fucking finals regardless curry would change cast life that's what what I'm saying. That's all I'm like, yeah, at this point in time, even though we still

do see the old man stuff from Curry, still like the best three-point shooting league by fucking far. Yes. Yes, I do understand the lapses that he's had, especially when it comes to what? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm a fuck out of my face. I almost showed you're talking about that on the fucking list, but that's crazy. But yeah, like, bro, if step had cat heart, McAll Bridges, all this. basing on its team and just like usable players someone like old g i don't know be his life would be so much changing yeah it would it would be crazy it also is funny though yeah the one player that step is like now i'm gonna get this bag off and it's gonna be kind of easy it's still go bear

yeah he's the that's the only one where as soon as go bear comes out like his eyes get bright he's like it's like it is a it is a struggle and he's still listen to go bears credit step still has to use one more combo to get by him. I just think this is also just very, very big respect for everything that Brunson has done throughout the playoffs, throughout the last two years, where he has been one of the most consistent players, especially last year was crazy. Like, if you watch the Knicks offense this year, it is insane to think, like, that Tim was coaching this team and thinking about what they're all.

offense last year was, it was so whack and remedial and stupid. He's just rolling a ball out there and say hoop. Literally. And the last five minutes of a game throughout the entire game, it really was. Jalen, here's the ball. We're going to give you one screen. Whatever happens, happens. They're very lucky that Brunson's like the best outside of Shane in the world

at doing that one thing you just mentioned. They're lucky that he was godsend for two years doing that, roll the ball out and hoop thing. And he can still, he can still do that. Like, like, when they, when it's time to, to call on him to, to go do that. I mean, he just had a, had a game winner last night. Like, all this stuff happens very, very regularly. So I, yeah, I would have Brunson over Curry.

Yeah, naturally, you're going to have your next fan. You're going to have Brunson the highest of all of us. I'm going to have Reeves the highest of all of us. You're going to have Jalen Johnson the highest of all of us. Notice I don't, I don't have Luca the highest of all of us. So we all agree he's number four. We should talk about that before he finishes up. Yeah, that's how, that's how four is solidified.

Yeah. People are going to have a problem with that. you know, Luka fans, European fan base. Over what, over who, like over Yannis? And Shea. People hate that we agree that Luca is clearly worse than Shea now. People hate that because obviously the points rebounds assist, Luca's also one of the best players of all time.

Like, I don't feel any type of debate there though. Especially as a Lakers fan. You know who asked? I'm like, I don't think I'm like the most like I glaze everything Lakers do. Obviously, if there's reason to glaze, I will glaze. But obviously, I think I'm also pretty harsh of my players on my favorite team. Your floor of glazing is not as high, but like your ceiling of glazing. is yeah the glades I'll make sure

they get the glaze but I'm not going to glaze like the average or low subpar players on my team you're not glazing for sports like people I'm at Spooner in the role player tier on our tier list but he should be B you should do 40% of 3 hit a game winner Rui Hachamora couldn't defend Donovan I'm not going to do that

talk to him let him know you seem the work man Lucas style of play is just it's so volatile I get it it give it and take it the way yeah like it's it's so much which are volatile than a Shea.

And defensively, I think he's had a solid year for Luke's standards. He hasn't been bad. They just had a talk where he talked about JJ Reddick sat him and LeBron down and said, y'all got to give me more because his team sucks defensively. Y'all got to set the tone, which is true because that team starts Rui Hachimora, so he better lock in. And I think Luca has done a solid job defensively. The offensive style of play stuff, though, like...

Couldn't be more different from two-star players. There is a hardened aspect to it. This year, maybe it's a J.J. Redic thing. I think it's probably a luke a thing as a development years have gone on. He's shooting more threes than Curry. Off the triple threes have been insane. He's shooting like 30% on the season.

It's not been efficient. He's getting to the line a lot, so he still is an efficient that true shoe percentage player, so very good. There is, these days, it might be because the teams have developed to defend him and take away his passing with, like, not giving him easy lobs. He really does look to score more than playmate these days.

He kind of comes out and is a little black holy and, like, scores and then says, you got a double team me. then I'm going to be a playmaker instead of vice versa. And when he's cold, it leads to some ugly stretches. They still nets out in efficient overall offense because he's so good and the volume is there. But his numbers and these like 34-9-and-9 averages are more usage than individual excellence right now. Yeah, I agree.

When it comes to- For his standards, no, he's still excellent. Exactly. Yeah, he's always been top five, one of the three best shit, maybe even, yeah, three best for sure, like tough shot makers in the entire league on a constant year over the last fucking five years of his career. but he's just been that. But when it comes to thinking about Luke and what new found excellence has been sustained in this game, I can look at Yokic and tell you that, you know, he's become an elite

top of the line three-point shooter, the best, arguably the best three-point shooting big in the league. Shea, he's been so wildly efficient in every single aspect of the game and he doesn't have lapses. When it comes to Luca, I can't tell you what he's been better at. And those guys can, one, you said, shoot three is off the, shoot three is an efficient level, both on and off ball. those two guys can both excel offball. Yokic is an amazing offball player

and they both those guys don't turn it over as much as Luca. So while his strengths are insane, he has these 30 point quarters where he'll go berserk and be the best player in any given night, he isn't as consistent because he gives more negatives

than the guys above him. And maybe Yonis is also closer to Luka in that way but the defensive gap and just like there's less variance. I could understand somebody ranking Luke above Janus.

That wouldn't be crazy to me but I can't do it over Yokkich and She who just don't have those built-in negatives. Yeah, exactly. When it comes to just, like, touching this all-time ceiling, being truly one of the best, goddamn, I don't know, 15 players that we've ever seen. That's, like, the type of conversation that we're having. We've been had about Yolkits and Shay, we should be having those conversations now.

Lucas should be in those conversations, but when it comes to just elevating constantly as a superstar in this league, he hasn't had like that third wind of life or second wind of life of, like, stabilizing his game or, like, really skyrocketing his stock. Yeah, and that's something a lot of times players develop as they get older. like they develop these small things that allow them to like have that veteran savvy to take out some of those negatives over time.

Lucas kind of gone the other way I think in some ways. Like he, not the other way, he hasn't gone worse, but he has gotten more dependent on stuff that has more variance in it and hasn't added some of those.

Actually, he has that again to line more. That is a veteran savvy thing he's gotten better at to supplement value, so that's good. But it hasn't changed his outlook as a player to me.

So he is still, you mentioned those top two guys are top 15 peaks of all time. Luca's still a top 30 peak of all time, which is an all time amazing, great Hall of Fame player. Incredibly, it's ridiculous

that he's on my team right now, but I would trade him for Shea in a heartbeat. Yeah, I think because of I do think that like some of Lucas value is being either like hitting or like push down just a little bit just because of the Lakers team construction

because. Maybe he's a passer. Or just because like if he was if he was on like the Mavericks in 24, where it's him and Kari and it's like all right the offense is going to run run through you guys everybody else you play defense and knock down threes then this like very heavy on ball style of offense means a little bit more and you like it it's able to shine a little bit more isn't

that what they do then what's the difference the defense is not as good so it doesn't as much help yeah and so like the yeah the defense on this lakers team is not as good as the one that the mavericks had and so you're you're looking at this team like hey you have luke putting up all these numbers doing all this thing on ball like you guys should be you know challenging okay see challenging Denver and it just doesn't look like that because you don't have the defensive horses where like with with she his offense and especially in stretches where the rest of the guys either aren't shooting well or he's really carrying the offense it really really shines through because you are the only one doing it and so like the i think the perceived value of having this

Hardin-esque super on-ball guy really comes through when everybody else can't cross over to save their lives and because the Lakers aren't built like that, I do think for a little bit that's the only thing

kind of like working against Luca. Yeah, and into that I would say that's why he needs to do more offball because he doesn't have to do that anymore because also uses better than 24 Kyrie. Yeah. And what like lenses like gap between Yokit Shee?

They're going to hate you. What lenses gap between Yolkett Shea and Yon is there too, obviously. I'm not saying there's a massive opportunity too, but what lens's gap is that when Luca has his bad games, his bad games are way, his bad games are way uglier than what Yolkits, Shea, and Yonis has. Because there's other ancillary skills.

Dan, was that your stomach? They didn't make it a damn. Did you hear that? My stomach's been grovel for the last 10 minutes. I'm surprised that's the first one that you did. That's crazy. Yeah, I didn't eat anything all there. Really?

That's crazy. Well, we got some crowns over there. But anyways, I was going to say. Oh, let me try this. Luca's bad games are so fucking dire compared to Yannis. Yonis and Shagher are going to give you ridiculous, ridiculous defense. Or at least Yonis is going to give you great level of defense. She's going to be stabilized throughout the entire basis of the game

because his game just tends to be less volatile. He can get to the line, of course, as best as anyone in the league. He will take those free throw shots. He will take any type of shot. And also he'll play defense. He'll just be overall, like, he won't tank or sink you at all. and Yolkich is just Yolkich. You know, his bad games are still not even terrible games

because all the other insane things that he's doing. In comes to Luka, it's like, it's tough. Yeah, and we're saying all this negative stuff, and we're only saying these negatives in comparison to Yokish and Shea. He is still a top five player, undoubtedly, still undoubtedly capable of being the best player on a championship team.

Undoubtedly, one of the best floor rages of all time, one of the best offensive players of all time. I think the best pick and roll ball handler of all time. One of the best combinations of passing and scoring skill of all time. So none of this is to say, Some people are taking these conversations too far on Twitter and being like, you can't win with him.

Nico was right to get rid of him. The Lakers should know that you got to sell high. You're never going with that style of play. Kobe said you can't win with Heliot centrism. So Luca can never win all these dramatic takeaways to say he is Hardin and he will be a choker. He's not that. It's not that at all.

He's a better version of Hardin that doesn't have the downsize Hardin had. But some of those intrinsic style of play things separate him from the top two. Yeah. Also, shout out to Kate, getting into the top 10 unanimously and all of us because like at this time last year wasn't he like

14 or something yeah we had him at like 20 I remember we were having like the conversations of like yo Katie's like kind of out here he's like this time last year because he was breaking out last year yeah and it was like hey like the Kate leap is kind of happening and now he's just like solidified top tip yeah but I will say that's one that he'd be 11 to me more comfortably

if Halliburton and Taden were healthy I feel I feel real good about him at 11 D Mitch at 12 yeah over the last compared to his like first few like first 11 games that's what I'm saying That's a debate for sure. I think it's a conversation. The defensive value of Cade is real.

Yeah. And also, like, one thing that we would, a lot of people would tend to, like, just knock on Cade is that his three-point shooting hasn't been that, which overall throughout the entire season hasn't, but as of late over the last, I don't know, seven or eight games, he's been shooting like 37, 38%. You just had a terrible start to the year. Even even that has started to pick up. So it's getting close.

Yep. Close conversation. I hope Tate doesn't come back this year. I was telling you all, maybe we should rank him. I hope he doesn't. He's coming back this year, I think. Celtics are legit It felt weird

Ranking him when he hasn't played a game yet If he had come back already Which obviously would have been ridiculous But like Do you know how insane this storyline Would be if Tainan was to come back And they would And played well

Played well Oh he stamped And well also like lead this lead this team To the fucking finals Stamped There's a real scenario where that could actually happen Yeah I don't care too much He hasn't played this season

But he's coming off an Achilles tear That's a career threatening injury So that's why I didn't want to rank him in Hallibur just because they might be a shell of themselves you don't really know if you weren't

like if it was an ACL tear and he's come back this year like I told you I kind of want to rank Kyrie because like so ACLT I mean he's kind of old but ACL's aren't what they once were

Kyrie will probably look like Kyrie and he'll be back in a month or two so but Achilles tear you just you can't know yeah and with that being said

those are our top 40 players in the world I think we'd I feel good about this I like our list for the most top 40 is crazy bro can you believe like I'm sure you guys

thought about it for two seconds Dylan Brooks almost made your list. What the fuck is wrong with you? Dylan Brooks almost made a list. Get out of my face, though. He did not. The one player that I was trying to figure out a way to like, can we somehow get him in? I really wanted to get Cooper Flagg.

I was thinking about that too. Initially, I had him at number 40 per because I'm like, he's coming up. I was thinking about it. I was going to have him at 40 just to have him on the list. And I was like, I'll probably have to pick somebody else. But man, I think. You know, Cooper Flag is disgusting. We had the debate during a small four Ciless.

I think he's better than MPJ who I put at 40. It's just it was a sample size thing That he's been better than APJ for about 10 games And before that was bad So I'm like giving him more time If we did this in February I put Cooper Flag at 40 Yeah

Yeah very fair Very fair man He's great For two seconds He's a demon I should have did it Damn I should have just done it Yeah I was I was thinking about that

So hard Gotta keep mind People are gonna see this Most people that see this They're probably gonna see this Like January February Then people that see it today So we should have just did that

Just project Damn it man We gotta be early on the glaze I know With that being said, that is our ranking. Let's get on to a very merry, jolly Christmas TikTok time. Woo! Let me get this protein bar.

Welcome to TikTok time. A special to you through Christmas continues for the rest of this show. We got 90 minutes of action-packed crayon eating bullshit. Nice. Before we start, almost like a pack of cigarettes. I need my pack of crayons, rare. Pack a day? Yeah.

Back a day. Real crayon, D-Gen. So while he goes ahead and takes that to the head, we are once again going to start with the draft. We are going to do a special draft, though. We're going to do something that we started on House Call. You two are going to draft NBA teams. Well, I name a category of player that you guys pick between.

Okay. Okay. Who go first? Me? I go first. Mo goes first. And then Domino goes first in the second category and so on. We have six years because we're adding a six man.

So there's one last of you. I like how you saw the camera was dark. the hat you turned it around. I was going to say the same thing. Listen, we're pros. So point guard through six man. I'm in name of a category for each pick

and you guys can take turns. Starting off at point guard. A point guard drafted by the Lakers. Oh, fuck. This is, I don't think this is good. Yeah, there's no good ones. Drafted by the Lakers. This is not good, bro.

Lanzo ball. Welcome to the team. I might have to. guess it's my pick first so I guess I'm taking Lonzo he's an idiot I will take Irvin Magic Johnson oh fuck I don't know why I'm thinking about the last 20 years for some reason this might be the fastest cell in TD3 history no one's ever lost so fast so quickly I was gonna say Kendall Marshall shooting guard a shooting guard with a signature shoe Donovan's up first now damn uh shooting guard with a signature shoe we would go Michael Jordan

Shit. Jordan and magic. What can I do to possibly... To pair with Lanzo ball. Or at least be competitive. Huh. Shooting cartoon to shoot, give me Kobe Bryant.

Fuck it. Is it again without the rock in your mouth? Rock. It's a crown. No disrespect. Kobe Bryant. There you go. I'm going all Lakers right now.

Yep, yep, yep. Small forwards. We are going to do a three that can't dunk. A small forer. who can't dunk. Or can, like, barely dunk, yeah. Someone that's not a dunker. So, you know, if they've dunk before in their career, all right.

Someone that's not vertical. Small forts who just don't be dunking like that. Not jumpy. Okay. No bounce. I think I have one. Mo your first. No bounce.

Someone who, like, truly embodies no bounce. You might be cheating. I'm saying true to it. Give me Nick Batum. Okay. He don't dunk at all. He can dunk, but he doesn't really, we'll give you an old man, Nick Batum. You don't, you don't be seeing him boom shit like that at all, bro.

Well, I'll allow it. I'm thinking Boris Dio At the three, okay You have a gigantic team Okay Okay, I was thinking y'all would take Like Kyle Corver or something like that That'll be fair

Nah Okay Next up Donovan first A power forward That has a salary under $5 million Oh my God Yeah, you got to get a bottom feeder Salary under $5 million

Salary under $5 million How good is your pocket watch It skills right now right this player in the best version you ever you want them they had to be making under five million dollars i will go with cat did dennis robin ever make five million dollars probably i'll go we will pair magic and jordan with tony kooch okay i'm sure he did not make five me i guarantee it's oh my gosh oh okay so power forward who makes under five

million dollars you can't even go with rookie because like that They're like the good rookies. Yeah, they're, they're making five. Damn, this is tough, bro. This is tough. Power 40 makes under $5 million. I guess I might have to like try to cheat and go back in the past. But even then, I don't know any guys who are like that tier players.

So my team is mad like 1997. It's kind of nasty. It's kind of nasty. Okay. So I think for five million. under $5 million. Give me some veteran leadership. Current day, Kevin Love.

Okay. I'm not going to lie, y'all are ridiculously done for this. Just pick, like, second year, Charles Barkley. Anybody in pre-2000s that's young is making less than $5 million. But that's not fun. Pick Bill Russell. No. It's not fun.

42-year-old Kevin Love. Yeah, bro. He had a 20-point game the other day. What? He was lying at the Lakerson 3 last night. I thought that was a true question. I mean, you picked Kukko, so that was smart. You had to go back the day for that one.

A center. That's seven foot three or taller. Oh, you're first. Oh, I am for seven, three, and taller. Just give me Wemby. Why not? There you go. Okay.

Wemby is hard-carrying. Wemby and Kobe hard carrying your team. They're going to be fed constantly by Lonsor, bro. Was Kareem 7? Let me fact check. I don't think so. I don't think he was 7-2. Is he 7-2?

Kareem Heights. Kareem is 7-foot-2. Just take Taco Fall. Might as well. Yeah. Or some Bular. No That's a name

We will go with Yao Ming Okay Yao Ming I don't know Could Yao Ming compete with Zach Edie? Next up You have to pick a sixth man

Who is it Oh For your sixth man Pick a washed up version of a star That was coming off the bench Oh It's not your pick

It's not your pick Sir Fuck man Rossed up version of them Washed up version of a star oh man do I want to go big or do I want to go

with like a wing type probably depends what your team needs you don't got no 3&D I know which means I'm going to need somebody who can play defense and do exactly that

give me Andre Iguodal you're a guy is he a star does he count made one all star team yeah he was he was like a focal point in team but he wasn't

like you're picking the washed up version like the late late one like Does he count as a star? He won't final as MVP. I actually don't think he count as a star. I don't know as me. If he doesn't count as a star, then I can pick somebody else.

Pick somebody else. Yeah, I don't think he embodies washed up version of a star because what you're thinking about him's a sixth man that was like still him at his peak. He was like just in a good role for him. Okay.

Well, I need some shooting. Give me Ray Allen. Okay. Late stage Ray Allen. Yeah. Okay, little 2014 Ray Allen coming off the bench. That's, see, that that's a good pick.

Late stage Ray Allen. How would you respond? You have quite the hill to overcome. yes I do this could be your one way to win sixth man of the year a washed up star I go a lot of ways here

there's one clear pick you should make I don't know if you're gonna think about though I don't know if I will either probably won't let's me not do it okay washed up version of a star go ahead and give me

six man was Al Warford considered a six man last year sure go ahead take alhorford you can have championship year al horford yeah like he wasn't that's not a bad pick okay 24 old ford i like that yeah he wasn't you know doing too much usual still impactful celtics bill walton pair him with when me that have been filthy

he was there's no way he was zero chance you want six man of the year at the Celtics when they won a championship zero times i'm thinking about him that'd have been filthy though i mean honestly al horpher's a sorry for coming love so he might be closing the James. Maybe. You're Wade, Wimby's there. I don't care.

So we got Lonzo Ball, Kobe Bryant, Nick Batum, Kevin Love and Wembe without a bench. Nasty. It's disgusting. Magic Johnson.

Michael Jordan. Boris Diao, Tony Kukoch, Yao, Ming, and Ray Allen. We're frying you. That was. Ray Allen will also

close games over Boris Dio. Boyd y'all can do a little bit of everything. I don't know, but he's so big, right. And he should be your powerful word, probably. Him or Kukk coach can close

depending on who's Now we have options D-L and Ming is so slow That's ridiculous Do you understand I have Michael Jordan too We're playing a slow style of basketball Magic can play in the half court

He's like that left hand Anybody came with Jordan's there Okay you guys did decent there You guys did decent Did not say good but you did decent My team would be actually fun to watch I don't think they would be at all Kobe

Okay that alone is a decently fun Yeah that's fun that's fun itself The ball's going to be dish and set out. Next thing we're going to do, you know, NBA Christmas is around the corner. NBA Christmas jerseys having a long part of our history as NBA fans until now, until Silver decided to get rid of them. You ruin my NBA Christmas. Rewen my aesthetic on Christmas Day.

Yeah, good job, Adam. God. I'm going to show you five NBA Christmas jerseys. I want you guys to blind rank them one through five. All right. First off, we have the Warriors blue one. Clean. Beautiful.

Very, very clean. I'm going to give this a two probably. A two? Yeah, I might put this set too. This is so clean. It was my list might be one. Yeah, but I feel like there might be better. Yeah, so it is, it is very clean.

I think that it's, that works in the jersey's favor, but also against it. We could probably put it higher, but there might be some more like overall festive jerseys when that feel just a little bit more Christmas. Doesn't embody Christmas to you? No, this is like, yeah, this is a three? No, yeah, we'll go three. Okay, three. Let's put it at two super set. Okay, fine.

There could be worse. You know what? This is hard? The text. Slightly cream. You're right. A little splash of cream makes it beautiful. My cream detector is going off right now.

This has to be one. Low key, I put it one. Next up, we got the sleeved bulls jersey worn by Jimmy Butler. The Grinch designed this, man. He's trying to rule folks holidays in Chicago. This is crazy. Yeah, this can't stand. With a gray bull in the middle, a metallic bull.

I hope they lost this game, too. We have to go five. Looks like I shaded it with a pencil. It's ridiculously oversized on Jimmy Bull. You ever be bored in school and you just draw a bunch of black with a pencil He should make the whole paper

graphite and shiny That's how that looks This is terrible This is five It's This is going to be the worst And he has the baggy shorts With the like legs sleeve

They look like shin pads Terrible oral Listen, it was an era It was a moment No this was terrible or No matter what era He was not He did not put that shit on that day

Put this F5 You Number five We got the calves With the tiny logo Small logo This is that fucking four Brass

Terrible I'm guessing this is 2015 I think it was I can tell about the beard what were they thinking tiny logos he's such a glazer that's crazy you could tell what you're about a beard wow yeah I can I gotta step my shit up

and they had been and they're playing the heat in the background so you know that was a reunion game coming back 2015 that's why they're scheduled on Christmas I think this is four this yo the placement is so nasty the size is insane tiny logo is ridiculous tiny logo and this

Arab jersey had like nothing there's no NBA logo on the top so it's just so plain above the logo is good. We need to get back to it. We need at least the NBA logo. We don't need like Verizon and shit. We need the NBA logo. You've gotten so used to having these patches. You forgot what clear unstepped-on

NBA jerseys looked like. This is what it's supposed to be. Don't, they didn't put no effort in this jersey at all. This is terrible. Is you going four? Yes. This is four. Okay, so you have two, four and five filled out one in three left. We got the Miami Heat. Red

on red with a white outline. This is one. This is one. This is one. You like more than the Warriors. I think for the predicament they're in right now, I can say that. Okay. It does feel Christmassy with the red.

Yeah. This is. White outline is clean. You see the little satin on the side of the jersey. That does feel Christmas. It feels a little, you know, Christmas pajama-e. Yeah. I like this.

We're going on one here. Okay. And number three, do you have the Lakers cream and purple. You should have went one here. You should have went one here. Heat were definitely the pick for three. No, this was tough. If you went this warrior's heat, you would have nailed it.

This is, oh, this is so beautiful. Damn, yeah. This is crazy. This is crispy, man. Again, slightly cream on Kobe. Ah, man, this is perfect. Wow. The Kobe cream combo is a scary sight.

I know, man. Let's just take a moment. Ted Meyer, Kobe and Cream. Yeah, this is calculated cream right here, man. And that shade of purple looks so good. Just no banana yellow to come in and fuck it up. Damn, that stupid yellow. See, in the LeBron era, they're obsessed of black jerseys.

We need to get to a cream jersey for the, like, Cream and Purple is beautiful. The St. Road, Jersey. They're not about it. They never met about it. All right. That is that. The next thing we are going to do today,

I'm going to put you guys on the spot. We do a lot of games where we guess NBA teams. Today, you guys are going to guess the NBA team by where they went to college. One of the first versions of this we ever did, but this time is a little difficult. Some of these will be 2025 teams. I won't tell you which ones,

but some of them will be historic teams. throughout the years we're going to be in hell for this one I promise you I think this might be the hardest one you've ever done because I mean some of them

some of the historic teams you'll get some of them I'll be baffled if you get it right it'll be genuinely impressive first off who is this team Duke Alabama

Michigan 4 and then is that a cream what's that's Creighton Creighton Alabama at 2 3 oh at 3 now this is

this year's Charlotte Hornets because that is, that's con canipal and that's Brandon Miller. Correct, this is the Hornets. Start you off the left. How does it let you see one go through the net? Shout out, Brennan,

Calk, brother. Shout out, Calk, briner. I think his name is Ryan. Oh, it is. It's like, who is Brandon? Who are these Calk guys? I said Brennan. No, Brennan, even more white.

You just dug in your pocket in front of the widest name. Okay, there you go. One for one. Next up, who is this team? Syracuse. Ooh, we got a Pittsburgh. UCLA at Point Guard.

Colorado at Shooting Guard. Colorado shooting guard is tough. Pittsburgh. Pitt at center. There's not a lot of Colorado twos in the league. I'm thinking it's not. I mean, Derek White is the only player that I can think of that went to Colorado. Is this the Celtics?

This is not the Celtics. Okay, this has to be an older team. Ooh, wait. Syracuse. Oh, this is the OKC team with Stephen Adams. Which year? 2017 with Mello and Russ. 2018 is what you're going for.

Correct. This is a 2018 Thunder. That's Paul George's the 3 with a question mark. Yep. That's a 2? You know who that is? Who played at the 2? Andre Roberson.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Andre Roberson. Yep, yep, yep. I mean, that one wasn't too hard, but I was surprised you guys got there so quick. Yeah. Two for two. Stephen Adams.

No misses yet. I didn't know Stephen Adams in the pit. I don't remember where he went to call it. I feel like he came out of like a rock. Yeah. He just spawned. He just grew out of a major. Man play ball.

He crawled out of a tree and was just like a deity. Yeah. Next up. Which team is this? KD. I don't know. This is a singular Texas dude. Who else is in the floor?

Yeah, man. It's some team that KD played on. Which one? You get one guess. Don't fuck it up. Seattle Supersonics. Idiots. This is the Rockets in this year.

That's funny. That's funny. So let's see how deep into your trickery back did you want. not that not that deep that's funny next up who is this team three players shown we had a kansas point guard marquette shooting guard this is the uh this is i don't know what specific year but this is the heatles which year 2012 incorrect the heels one more guess 214 correct who went to tech that's chris bosh chris bosh from the georgia tech what the fuck and mario chalmers went to kansas which yeah i don't think i would have remember where

Chris Bosch wanted to call it. Yeah, I didn't know that he went to. Such a blemish in my, like, knowledge, but like, I was tapped in on the heatals, man. That's crazy, man. Such a thing you tapped into the 2003 draft. Oh, hell, no. Four years old. Yeah, master got our VHS.

You're in preschool. Okay. All hits, no misses so far, waiting for the first blummish on your record. Maybe things will heat up coming up. We'll see who is his team. Stanford Power Forward, Illinois point guard. Illinois. Arkansas shooting guard.

Arkansas. Arkansas Kentucky small forward Oh wait is that Kentucky or Kansas Kansas my bad Kansas small forward Oh my goodness Yep yep yep yep Oh this is oh okay so Stanford Stanford I'm thinking

Either Brooke or Robin Lopez I can't think of any other center that went to Stanford Who are these Illinois guards Like I can only think of Ayudu Yaku Chonis Shout out Yakichonis Who else went to Illinois?

He said his name the same way they announced his in the NFL Go, Maconka! Say it with some verve. The Arkansas two guards. I just think I'm old as moody. Joe Johnson went to Arkansas. No, wait, no, he's from Arkansas. I don't think he went to Arkansas.

I have no idea where he went. Damn, and then you got to Kansas. The Kansas wings, the only two that I can think of are Wiggins and Paul Pierce. Man. I have no fucking idea. I will say. Wait, is this?

Is this? You're right on the heels. You're there. This is the Brooklyn Nets. Correct. This is the 2014 Nets. That is Darren Williams at Point Guard. Illinois's finest.

Okay. Paul Pierce, a small Ford. Ah, this is nasty work. You have you had Power Forward. Kevin Garnett. Didn't go to college, question mark. Damn. Okay.

Oh, yeah. We're on that. You guys got there. We're on there. That was one of the harder ones, I think. Just that I knew you guys were going to know where Darren Williams is at the college. I figured that'd be a blemish in your knowledge. No fucking clue, man.

That's crazy. Next up, which team is this? Kentucky Guard, two Duke Wings, mystery big men. Wow. Okay. Kentucky guards, they're everywhere. Yeah, but the Duke wings,

the combo of a Duke two and a three, where do we go from there? Also, pull it together. Like, please. Brother, every time I go to New York and I see my nephews, always just like licking walls at school and shit and I just get sick every single time I hate it all right Kentucky guard two Duke wings this could be anyone again okay where do you want to start

I'm hoping this is current I'm hoping this is current if we just go we can start and go with the Kentucky guards that we know so it's like it's Deeran Fox Jamal Murray um can't be Jamal Murray can't be Darren Fox. Could this be Kyrie? No, Kyrie went to Duke. Yeah, Kyrie went to Duke. So we can have Tyrese Maxie. Tyrese went to Kentucky. You're right. But who are the other in-between guys? Did he go to school with Trenton-Wofford?

It kind of works because it's like Maxie and then McCain went to Duke as well. So you can have that aspect of it. But who's playing three? I don't think. I don't know who's... This is a modern team. This is this season. I'll give you guys a layup because you guys are in hell.

A modern team. We might have to go with the Sixers. Fuck it, it's the Sixers. Of course not the Sixers. Paul George is on the Sixers. We don't count him. No, it's another Kentucky guard in the NBA right now. Some might say a guy who is billed as maybe being the next Maxie.

The next time. I don't know if it worked out. There's only one Maxie, but at some point you hoped it would be. The next Tyrese maxi, okay? You got to be like mad young. Yeah. Very young. The next Tyrese max.

Duke wings don't shine to you? Who are the Duke wings right now? And they'll either state them. I will say, of all the hard ones you guys got and did not get this one, kind of crazy. They're screaming at the phone

or the screen right now as they speak. And I hate it. I'm screaming at the screen. This is the Toronto Raptors. That's R.J. Barrett and Brandon Ingram. I'm not going to lie. I forgot about Brandon Ingram.

I'm like, I forgot he went to Duke. I forgot about Archie Baird. Oh, Emmanuel quickly, damn, man. Manuel quickly. We wanted him to make a Tyre's Maxie Leap hasn't quite happened. But he's there. Mid-ass team, man, damn.

Got the most mid-duke stars. That's why they didn't stand out. It's not the most mid, not bad. Is that the most mid-duke combo you can make in the NBA right now? Probably, yeah. Damn. Next up, all five, which team is this? Cincinnati State.

Cincinnati State. Is that Hawaii? That is Hawaii at point guards. Who the fuck? All right, so that's Georgetown. Georgetown, our shooting guards, Syracuse, a small Ford. UMass at center. Is this, this the 2001 Sixers?

This is not the 2001 Sixers. Who is this any version of the Allen Iverson? Is this the 0708 Nuggets? Wow, this is the 08 Nuggets. Brother, you're nasty. You couldn't get the rapids, but you get this? This is his game, where he got it. He is carrying me.

That's crazy. Yep, that's Alan Iverson and Carmelo Anthony. Oh, my God. Teamed up together. And who's the one? I forget. Let me check. Is this?

What the fuck? I can remember. This is crazy. Every time I play with this team on the UK. Yeah. Eduardo Nahara always ended up playing the one for me. What? I've never heard of that name of my life.

What the hell? I thought you were like just stuttering and slurring your words. What the hell? Wow. The point guard that season was, I did the yesterday I forgot. Yeah. Point guard was. You have a speech in bed of me.

I know. Anthony Carter. is the starting point guard okay okay and then the center and powerful combination was marcus canby and kenyon martin yeah wow man cincinnati states crazy Cincinnati state's finest next up which team is this another Kentucky guard Florida state small forward you con shooting guard where we're going you con you con you con shooting guard uh oh this is the san antonius spurs this is the san antonio man you're cooking devon vassel three there we go yeah devon vassel oh yeah we're on that today you are nesser all right how well

What does? Your ultimate test, the hardest one on this list. Who is this team? A.N.U. I never seen that school in my life. American National University, a D-2 college. I got it. Is this the...

If he one-hit, pulls this. This is, I can't remember what specific year, but the... The Wast version of the Rockets. This is the 1997 Rockets. Which is Charles Barkley there? Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

That's crazy. That makes sense. I mean, not really. I guess you should know that. He pulled it out. Wow, man. He is in his bag. What the fuck?

You were bringing this up, talking about some of you guys in hell. I thought this would be a hard one. It would have been for you. I got Christmas Donnie by my side. What you know about point guard Matt Maloney? Not a damn thing. Matt Maloney, one of the name. But you started thinking about guys who went to U of H that are actually in the league.

Only a few. Yeah. Listen, that's home court. What you know about starting D2, small forward, Mario Ellie? Oh, they the kiss of death? I don't know Mario. You a damn thing. 997 Rockets

They love Mario Ely in the city Next up Who is this team Kentucky Big Point guard from Ohio State Shooting guard from Louisville Small 4 from Michigan Name a small forward from Michigan

Um Jet Howard Wrong one Um okay Louisville 2 Yeah the Louisville 2's It would be DeMitch Um

He's one of the same I think he's like the lone guy He might be one of the only ones but Kentucky Biggs there's it's obviously it's not cat um

it's 80 Duke or Kentucky 80 was Kentucky but 80's not playing with this is not this is not yeah because Cooper flag would have been there so it's not that

okay um is it is it some version of the of the heat maybe I don't know who are Ohio State

like guards who are leading shit right now. I will say this is, this might be the actual hardest one. There's no way in hell you guys get this. The only Ohio State Guard who jumps out of my mind is Mike Conley. Mike Conley. If you guys get this, I'll be beyond surprise.

Okay, so it's, so the only two Ohio State guards that I can think of are Mike Connolly and Delo. I don't, I can't remember when they've played with, with other guys like from Louisville or anything like that. But the combo of Michigan State big and Kentucky big,

Obviously, your mind goes to Dremont, but they never played with anybody. Could this be like, I don't know, the 2019 wait, no, that doesn't make any sense? Michigan threes also, like. I was saying, could this be some form of the Tim rules before they, like, got Anthony Edwards, but I don't think, I don't think that pathway lends itself. I'm cooked. Kentucky is a, this is a famous team, a version of a team that maybe you're not expecting. A version of the team that you're not expected maybe a little down bad

This is Kendall Oh this is the Lakers or something Maybe a little in the mud Is this the 2013 Oh is this the bad version of the Warriors Yeah but it's a 2020 war years Okay 2020 Warriors That's the front court

Hold it down Draymond and Willie Collie Stein Ah fair Lead guard DeAngelo Russell Elite wing Elite wing combination of Damien Lee And Glenn Robinson the third Glenn Robinson the third

That's a dunk contest champion to you you better remember the name. God about him. That's a high flyer. He was a demon as a 74 overall in 2K, brath. Come on now. Wow.

Next up, which team is this? Last one. Ooh. Texas big. New Mexico State power forward. Gonzaga, too. Texas is big. Texas big.

The only Vanderbilt wing in the league right now I can think of. Oh, this is current. Current. Okay. Vanderbilt wing. Is this the Pacers? The Indiana Pacers.

Yes. To be more specific. This is the Pacers. The day they eliminate the Knicks in 2025 out of the playoffs. The day they broke New York's heart. That's a specific day. You're foul for that. Specific version of the team, just so you remember.

Wow. They the haliband struck. So there's Nemhard, obviously, Tyrese, then there's. Had to lock them up immediately. Yeah, you won't be on the court. And that is every single one. Okay, that wasn't that bad. Not too bad, not too bad.

Next thing we're going to do. And you got to go blow your nose. No, bad tissue. Man, I'm fighting for my life right now. Go get a tissue. They're on the desk over there. Please. Go blow your nose.

Please. All right, continue. Go blow your goddamn nose. All right. The next thing we're going to do, we are going to do a game that we did a couple weeks ago. I have seven NBA players. You guys have 12 words to guess them.

So I'll name one word as a hint for the first player. You try to guess it. If you get it wrong, I'll name a second word. Basically, you get 12 hints for seven players to get them. all right so room for five messups along the way last time i think you guys did it in like nine something like that let's see if you can do it in seven when no messups all right we'll see what's possible let's try we'll try let's do it first off name number one word number one extra terrestrial uh whomeby this is victor weiman yama alien okay one word one for one crazy word this week

but it's all good who was that on tv stan van gunman gunman he's like yo what you're He does not understand what you're going on. I think he was like, well-meaning, but I was like, why are you pulling this out right now? Yeah. Like, yeah, I know he definitely wasn't saying it like in that way. It wasn't like it out of here. It was like they were trying to get him out of here,

but I was like the delivery was off. This is not the time and place. Yeah, I kind of know what you are, Stan. Number two. System. Should we say Steph? I would say James Hardy because James Hardin said, that I am the system.

He did say that. So I mean, I'm thinking like we can go James Hardin there or if you're thinking, I feel like there's a lot of guys so you could say he's like a system player or whatever. So maybe it's either James or Steph. We go James. James Hardin.

I feel better with stuff though. James Hardin. It is James Hardin. There we go. Almost second yesterday. Almost fucked yourself. There we go. Still shoot 100%.

Can we get seven players and seven questions? Perfect. I mean, can we get seven players and seven words? player number three Yucatan Anthony Edwards Should they be from Yucatan

How to give you a little layup Three for three Cool Number four Choke I could say Reggie Miller For the infamous thing

But who is a like choker It might also be James Harkin again Does he do the choking Or is he choked That's actually a very like important

Oh, my God. Take a guess. Some one out there. I'm going to assume that he's not going to go to James Hardens. And so if we say choke, we can say Tyrese Halliburton. And I'd be okay with that. Oh, Tyrese did do that. Tyrese.

Wow. Thank you for Tyrese Alibur. I thought you would say James Hardin and Joe Lundee. Yeah. So I didn't put the er. Yeah. Choke. There you go.

Four for four. Number five. Swole. Swole. It was big as hell. Okay. Who swore in the league? We've been talking a lot about Jalen Dern and him being swole.

Mad, big, yeah. Who else is just big? Oh, Desmond Bain is first team all swole. Yeah. I feel like the Pistons are, Pistons got some guys who are swollen. The Raptors got some guys who are swollen. Who swore in the Raptors? Scotty's kind of swore.

Yeah, a little bit. I guess. Agbaji is a swolegy is a swole. Scottie's swollen. That guy is strong. Yeah. Okay. But I think right now.

I would go either Desmond Bain or Jalen Dern And those are my two options Let's go Jalen Dern Incorrect, your first miss Unnecessarily So unnecessarily, so Oh, Desmond Bain

Yeah No He just beg for no reason BabyTron BabyTron We lost you? Oh, Eric Bledsoe There you go

You got muscles for no reason Eric Bledsoe Exactly I should have muscles instead of swole out. I got you. Okay. Muscles for no reason, Eric bled, so.

Damn. Okay, okay. All, seven words, five. I mean, you still got plenty of leeway still. Number six. Mo. Me? Oh.

That means? Some my bitches? I love that picture. Is either either Jalen Johnson or Treyo? Or it could be my glorious king. Got a mommy right now. No, I don't think he would do that.

It might be obvious. It's either Trey or Jalen. Um, I would say LeBron. Go ahead. He's, He's incorrect. That's number eight. Damn.

I don't know myself. Oh. Hawk. Damn. I told you. Damn. I don't know myself. We'll go Jalen Johnson.

Incorrect. Fuck, it's Trey. Small. Trey. Trey. Ten words. One player left for two words. You guys made this unnecessarily

close. You were on a hot streak. Now it's tight. Savior. No. No, stop that. It's not. Okay, Jalen Brunson. We can say savior. Get a bitch. Hats out of here. I'm trying to think of people who like saved the franchise.

Okay. He did save them for sure. You only have two words. So this one and one more, you better not miss. he said savior savior he is not your savior but this guy is he's all of our savior okay

do you want to just go lebron here that's the easiest one in my because it's so much right fine on the word off incorrect you have one word left don't fuck this up we know how to make a TV

thunder don't fuck this up thunder savior thunder Who's a savior? If no more words left. You have one guess. Might either be Chet or Shea.

Who else could be a savior? Oh my God. There's no one else. Either Cheddar. You guys, don't mess this up. It might be Shea. It might be Shea. Or could it be like...

Final guess. Let's go. Keep a movie. Yeah, fuck it. She. Oh, my God. It's Aaron Wiggins. You guys lost.

Oh, he saved Bask. Ah. Ah, you guys suck. You started out 5 and O and you failed. We fumbled so bad. No, we deteriorated. That's time when we ate like milk. Damn.

That was easy. Save your basketball. I'm actually, yeah. Yeah, that sucks. Pour one out. Yeah. Listen, I mean, we're going to go back. We're going to watch film.

We're going to get better. Yeah, man. I don't think we are. That's a problem. Day by day, brick by brick. It's about the process. There only matters with, you know, the opinions of the people inside the room,

you know, people are outside the building. They don't really understand. So, this is what we have to do with when we were faced with adversity. Yeah, so I saw how you bounce back. Exactly. It's not about falling down. It's getting back up.

Next thing we're going to do. We will be better. No, you won't. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to make... Say word? Okay. We're going to be a night of leaving.

We are going to make Pokemon evolutions of NBA players. I'm going to show you a chart with different levels of NBA players and I want you guys to fill it out who are the different versions we're going to pick every level of NBA stars first off

level four is Michael Jordan who's one two and three all right so three would be Kobe naturally okay two would be Shay too shay or like there might be two level threes right there are we going worse than than Kobe

go Devon Booker that's a delineation okay so we can go Jordan Kobe debug who's level one DeMar Okay Demar

DeRosen Demar Cam Thomas Cabe Thomas Let's go Cane Thomas We can make level One's like Yeah

Yeah Cam Thomas So can Thomas Turns into Devin Booker Turns into Kobe Turns into Michael Jordan That's yeah Okay

That is a That tracks We don't want to Put anything Edwards in there Instead of Devin Booker No

No I think Dibook is much more Along those lines Yeah I think so too Okay I mean you could though

I mean would be crazy Next up La Mello ball level two One has to be like Rayfer Austin like just some like

and one mixtape guy so we can go skip to my Lou one we can go Lamella Ball 2 you go off the River one I think I was going to say Jamal Crawford one I think you should go Jamal Crawford one I was thinking we can put Jamal Hood three come on man

no we can go Bones Island one I don't know Bones Island kind of been who been dude you're so disrespectful Rob Dillingham one There we go

Rob Dillingham one Lamello 2 Who's a better version Lamello 2 3 Tyreys Halliburton Yeah Tyrease And number 3

Basically I do you want To keep someone It's like The scoring element Yeah Okay the scoring element We keep that Then we need

A bucket Yeah still kind of A flashy bucket Yeah still kind of creative Say Trey Young Stop that No Now

A flashed Got to make sure It's somebody That has some flash To him Otherwise we're not in the same world Yeah Somebody that's also

Just kind of like unnecessarily flashy. They'd just be doing stuff. Pete Marevich. O.G. One of the last time you do you watch the P. Marevich's highlight? I actually saw one turn it out too long ago.

Really? Yeah, maybe like early this year. Oh, my. Yeah. I mean, that's true. In the grand scheme of watching P. Marevich highlights. It's not very long ago. Yeah.

I don't exactly do that on the regular. Well, yeah, like January or something probably. Okay. P. Mavarvish level three. Also, OG. Flash. We are 10 days away from the end of the year. You're right. It's been a whole year since he's seen.

He said, yeah, I just saw it the end of the day. I also thought the year ago. It's so long ago. I also don't know if it's January. I just been early this year. Oh, my God. P. Mayer's level three. Luca four?

You can say Steve and Ash at four. Not flashy enough. We need a jackass. Luca probably the most talented jackass of all the time. We need a jackass. We go Luca or we go Curry. We'll go Luca 4. Okay.

So we got Rob Dillingham, Lamello Ball, Pete Marevich, Luca Donchich. Okay. That tracks. Yeah. Fares, solid. Level four, we got Yokic. How do we build up to Yokic? Three, Shangoon.

Okay. Okay, three, shangoon. Two, subonis. Maybe three, we go, like, a Hall of Famer that's not quite all-time great like he is. Like, is Bill Walton three? I got to get more napkins. Snoddy ass. So I'm thinking about like the passing Biggs

It's like it's Yokic Walton Shingun Arvita Sabonis people would say Oh let's go Subonis 3 OG Sabonis 3 Arvitas 3 Shengun 2 Derek Queen 1

Derek Queen 1 Shout out Derek Queen Yeah I like that The newest baby Yokic Yeah Let's go to OG Sabonis Not this new one Yeah

Not the sequel It doesn't live out to the hype Not the too fast, too furious Of the bonuses Too bad The money grab That makes sense That was the easiest one

Brony James at one How do we evolve Ronnie? Okay, number two Deuce McBride Okay, I was thinking De Anthony Melton We can go do some type of archetype Okay

Dozen McBride Level three Avery Bradley Drew Holiday not that well that okay my question was is drew holiday three or four i think drew should be four i was thinking drew holiday three gary peyton four if we're making level four like all-time grades it's like brawny you know what brawny because milton becomes drew because gary patent let's not put our limitations on brony okay yeah let's put gary pating that four well this isn't

exactly what he's going to become i guess man it's a archetype ceiling is whatever you want it to be brony let's put gary patent that four all right you can set the bar It's not about Frotty. What's time to play? I think that makes sense. Yeah. Ew. Next up.

Cooper flag at level two. All right. So four Tatum, clearly. Yeah, three or four. Because who's a better version of... Better version of Tatum? So, well, do you go, like, Scotty Pippen three, Tatum four? They're so close, I think they're same level.

So I think we pick one of Tatum or Pippin. I think I'm fine with Tatum 4. Then who's three? Who's between Cooper Flag and Tatum? I think Tatum might be level three, but I don't know. Who plays like Tatum in among the awesome grades? It's just hard because Tateau.

Larry Bird? Danny Granger. Loki. Cooper Flagg becomes Tadem becomes Bird. Tatum, a bird is such a, it's different. He is,

but also he's not like that. I mean, he's a better passer, like better shooter, but also it's not that different. Like, play making wings. Like, yeah, but they're mad athletic.

Just put Bron at four Looking at Bird Bird. Bird was athletic. Burr could move when he was young. Bird wasn't a slouch. He's not like Yokechard.

It wasn't a transition even like these guys though. I think he was but it's different like it was like magic like passing and stuff but it's more like three man weave type of fast breaks. I think we go

Tatum Magic Tatum Bird. Tatum Bird. No Tatum Brian. Nah, not Brian. Oh we could go Braun. Tatum's like a playing a wing now.

People were saying Cooper Flag as a little little old man Bronner? Okay, who's level one? You said Danny Granger. Loki. Danny Granger, Cooper Flagg, Tatum, Braun. Danny Granger was nice. We can do that.

I know, I think level one should be someone a little more entry level than Danny Granger. Yeah, he was, average 20. Yeah, he was all-star free or something. So who's a power, who's a forward bench player that can ball handle and pass a little bit? Josh Hart. Somebody bigger.

Isaac Bonga becomes Cooper Flores. Like comes Jason Tateh becomes LeBron. That's a hell of a leap. That's a hell of a leap. Yeah. You're going to ruin people's day with that one. Isaac Bongo it is. All right.

Go ahead. The Isaac Bonger to LeBron transformation is not as, oh my God. People need understand. There's a pipeline. We see it. Next up. Steph Curry level four. How did we get to Curry?

Three. See, it sucks because he's also all time, but like three is Steve Nash. Okay. Okay, I was thinking Dane, but Steve Nash can make sense. But, I don't know. Dane, like... I think, is Dane closer to Curry? Because, like, neither one of them are, like, all-time great passers?

I think so. Yeah. We could go Dame three. But Dame is also, like, obviously, Steph is, like, you know, up there. Yeah. I think it was a sizable difference to know, Dame level all-star and a Curry top ten all-time. Yeah. Do we go...

That's true. Number two? I mean, Dane was out of his score. Let's do that. 55 in the playoffs. He, but, I mean, that's a level three guy. Tatum was level three. I mean, Dame's not Tatum.

Who do you want to do at one? Those first few games, Jared McCain last year? Oh, no. Seth Curry becomes Abdul, because Damien Lillard becomes Steph Curry. Number one, we could also say Cam Spencer. He's looking different over there in Memphis. We're not putting Cam Spencer on.

He looks, bro. You are sleeping on Canstall. The Curry Pipeline makes too much sense in my head. You got to sleep. We could get Cass Spencer, I guess. Or we could put Seth. That's what I said, Seth Curry. all right sure

Seth Addoer Roof Damon Lur and Curry Alright Next up Cam Reddish How does he evolve This is the easiest Right here

Okay tell me Yeah So level one Cam Ramettus Level two Some moves a little bit better Three and D probably Three and D

Some do a little bit of everything O'Michael bridge's action Um Nah not I think Not Michael A little less A little more bucket brain Yeah a little more

A little more of a driver Less wiggle Less wiggle more is Andrew Wiggins somewhere on this Yes, Andrew Wiggins is level two He's very useful He's level two cameras could have easily been someone Like Wiggins so he's level two

He's two level three Paul George Yeah And then level four has to Quay Leonard Okay Yeah level four has to be all time Yeah okay Kauai So Scottie Pippin I don't know

Could have put T-Mex somewhere in there too If the NBA won't do it we will We'll put in Kauai Leonard on suspension We'll go Scotty Pippin at 4 We'll go Cam Reddick, Andrew Wiggins, Paul George, Coddy Pippin. Oh, my God. Okay, so Cam Reddish becomes Andrew Wiggins, because Paul George, becomes Scotty Pippin.

Yeah. Fair enough. Next up, Janus at level three. All right, let's think of different running dunk men. Kevin Knox, level one. Kevin Knox, oh. Kevin Knox, level one. Yeah.

Becomes. Nah. That one summer league was nice. He got to be Kevin Knox. Summerlee Kevin Knox specifically level one. Well, no, because. Kevin Knox was trying to shoot like that for real for real. Because he,

because the donkey stuff stopped working. Yeah. But Summer League, he was moving like that, running in transition. He was nasty. He was crazy. Summer League Kevin Knox,

who's level two? Who's a good version of that? Like a Jonathan Isaac maybe, but pre-injury, Jonathan Isaac, we couldn't ever ball handle like that. Somebody. Oh.

Kevin Knox becomes Jalen Johnson, becomes Janice, becomes Wiltz. Jalen Johnson. We got to pick somebody a little bit better than Kevin. No, it's level one. What do you mean?

Kevin Knox is so bad. He was awful. Fine, fine. Coastis, Antenacombo becomes Taylor Johnson, becomes Janus, becomes Wilts. There we go.

You think Coltis has a better career than Kevin Knox is so much rare than Kevin Knox. Yeah, come on now. Kevin Knox is so bad. He's traumatized. He's so bad. This is PTSD.

Shack at level four. Who are the baby shacks? Baby Shacks, baby Shacks. Okay, so who's the worst baby Shack? Entry level. Okay, he's three big. I think. So if you guys,

that their whole thing is, are bigger than you? Boban becomes Zach Edie becomes who's level three? Big Dunk Man. Oh, Boban becomes Zach Edy, becomes Dwight Howard,

becomes Shack. Shack going to be mad. Those are his comparisons? He's like, yeah, Shaq would want to put Dwight Howard at one. True. They fix the beef now.

They fix the beef. No, they haven't. They're straight now. They do a son out again. It's, Shaq, he's going to be mad for the rest of his life. So, Dwight one. Do you want to start with Darwin?

Okay, let's do it. Let's do Shaq's list. Yeah, from Shaq's perspective. Okay, Shaq's perspective, Dwight's one. Yokich is three, because he's better than Yokich's head. Yes. Who's two? Like big country Reeves or something.

Oh, let's give me some. Oh, no. Bobo. He loves Bobo. He loves Bobo. Is Shaq's mine is Dwight. Bulbul, Yolk it, Shaq. He was comparing Bobo to Wembe.

He was like, yeah, that guy could do the same thing. Yeah, he was doing that after Wembe was already being like all sort of level. Freak. Next up. Ron Art Test at level two. Level one, Lou Dwart. Or do we get worse? Level one, Dylan Brooks.

I thought we had to go mental with this one. Yes. But Dylan Brooks is like, I guess we can go Dylan Brooks. Delibrook's just, yeah. Let's track who has like the eyes. the tie girl four levels who's insane maybe i say a stewart level one no no no no he's he's level two he's on our test level yeah okay fine he's he's real so i would i he was chasing lebron with a bloodied face man he was a madman that's true yeah i we can go denham brooks one uh land steampson

was just funny he's just funny who else is a goon for three and four you go pill lamb beer kevin garnett kevin garnett is four kevin garrette's four does gary peyton get in here at all Is he a higher level of Goon to run our test? What our test wasn't the malice? I don't think so. Honestly, this is super hard having run our test at two. The level of Goon is already, like, we're already in like top five. So we're really just making the top five.

Does Dremont deserve a spot here? No. Dremont, I think Dremont is level one. He does. He choked out Rudy Gaubert. Do we forget about that? He choked Rudy Gaubert? For no reason.

Unprovoked. Is your problem? Rudy wasn't doing nothing. You just soft school Here's my chance So we can go Okay we'll go Dylan Brooks Because he actually hasn't even done anything

And there's been moments where The goon in him Has been completely performative Okay Dylan Brooks art test Garnett Where else we're going Rodman

Okay Rodman 3 Robin's an ultimate No Robin's an ultimate goonet Goon level three Robin Goon level four Okay I like that. Derek Rose level three.

How do we track these athletic point guards? Russell Westbrook has to be on here. Is he four? He might be four. I think he's four. I think Russell Westbrook in terms of like that

like athletic poor guard. That's kind of top. Yeah. Or is four LeBron James. Can you play point guards? I mean, look, I mean. No, no.

So we go Westbrook for Penny Hardaway one or two. I was like John Wall two. Oh, working on that. I was going to say, Scoot Henderson, man. Let's number one. Something like that.

He's not even like that type of slasher. I think level one should be someone that only slashes, but they're not that good because all they can do is slash. Oh. No, not. Because they also need to be able to dunk.

I'm okay with John Wall being two. Okay, John Wall 2, Russell Westbrook. Who's the entry level dunking point guard? Dennis Smith Jr. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis Smith becomes John Wall

becomes Derek Rose becomes Russell Westbrook. He was one of them once, yeah. Yeah, yeah, there we go. I was thinking Isaiah Collier at first. He's like a driver. But he doesn't dunk like that. He's a big layup guy. Yeah, he's not.

explosive. He is, but like groundbound. He's quick, but not not jumpy. Okay, look at level three. James Hardin would be level four or Brom would be four. Bitch, level two. Yeah, James Hardin would be a little bit. I'm just I'm just, he said, bitch, level two. One guy is an MVP. I'm just saying, I'm just posing stuff. That is true. He does have MVP. Fuck out. My face. I think Jim's Harvey probably level three is maybe we can't include him. Same level.

Okay. But Brown would be four. Do you think he's more Braun or he think he's more bird? I think he's more bird. Bird? Bird? Is he bird? Is it a bird?

Braun is it like a fess? Or he's Jokic for it's the better version? Yeah, because he would just be taller and he's... Oh yeah, let's just do it taller and taller. So Yokage is four, Luca three, Compazzo 1, Lamello 2. So we get a little bit bigger every time. Lamello 2. Or no, Lamello's too tall.

Who's a 6-5 version of this? They don't make 6-5. versions of this it doesn't work yeah uh well fuck let's go height composo hardin luka yokech okay all right fuck it or like de lo hardin not capazzo's funny compos just there bro composo harrid lucca jokic like bro pablo prizioni who was running offense he was out here oh my god josh giddy level two

come on now actually i think it's like the same height as lucca guys big yeah he's like six seven next up. How to see level one Alex Caruso do we want to do defenders or do

do I want to do iconic balls or white balls? I can't think of the white balls right now yeah okay

so we can go defenders all right if Alex Caruso that won that's tough this is all time conversations

maybe just do balls just ball players in general yeah let's open it up yeah

who's spiritually bodies Alice Caruso for whatever that means. Okay, level two. Derek White. Has a little bit more on ball tops. Are they different levels? I think they are, yeah.

He, yeah. Like prime Derek White? Okay, champion should be a Derek White level two. Yeah, like fantastic score. Those guys are pretty close. Same level of defense. I think Derek was better. I think Derek quite better.

But like a whole evolution better? Probably not. Yeah, I think that's a lateral. If Alex Caruso could shoot 40% from three or I'll take him like, like six of them a game, that's different. Well, he's a better defender than Derek White. So, like, it's a offsetting value. It's a man can defend big.

This man put yoke's just a torture chamber with Chess help, but still. I did see him. No, it was one-on-one. It was one-on-one. I saw it. I was there. Yeah, I was there. We don't forget. Never.

Can't forget. Okay, so. You let a 6-4, dude, lock you up, dude. How's you better than Shaq? Is Draymond level two? Can be. Or Robin level two? Robbins level two.

Because of the offense? Just like a bigger version of an even better defender. Robin level two and then level three is somebody who can do both sides of the ball that crazy defender yeah it would be like

Draymond and then four would just be like oh you're Hakeem what is that logic how we get for Karusa at Hakeem because if we're talking about them

like getting better then then we would get to Hakeem if we're just talking about different versions of that player it's kind of hard to do that because Caruso's already one of like the better defenders Caruso to Hakeem is hilarious

but you have nothing in common bro he turned black he turned 7 foot he turned African and he's not bald no one what the hell Look at Carusana We turned his ass up in every way There we go That's the last one

We change Alex Caruso's broke ass life Completely right Turn him into an MVP with sauce Okay Next thing we are going to do We are going to react to your best NBA trade ideas for 2026. I asked everybody in a community post, tell us trades they want to see happen. We're going to decide if we want to see it happen or not.

Give it a yes or give it a no. First off, MPJ to the Warriors for Kaminga pods and picks. Yes. Anything that gets Kaminga out of Golden State, yes. He does not want to be there. They don't want him there. You got the owner sending out emails to fans talking about, you know, how bad the team is doing right now. If MPJ, we've seen him be a good player on a winning team, get him over there,

Steve Curry's life. Yes, he would change his light to complete to the points where they're still going to be the seventh seat in the Western Conference. I don't know. But that's better than what they are now.

MPJ is averaging like 27, not dribbling at all, just running off a screens, jacking shots over people. Who does that sound like? Sounds like Prime Clay Thompson. Mine is a defense. Yeah, we can get there.

Sounds like we got another clay here ready for him. I would do this in a heartbeat. Yeah, they should have been done this trade already. Yeah, we were talking a lot about teams that you get MPJ. Actually, this made me realize

the warrior you're in MPJ. And it would be great because then if you're comminga, Commander. Yeah. And MPJ can, like, keep doing the stuff he's doing in that. Like, he can average 25 next to career. Jimmy Butler would be so happy to have someone like him by his side.

Take all the shots that I don't want to take. Yes. And Jimmy Bullock can average six points per game while MPJ averages 25. He'd love it. Yeah. That's a dream come true for young James. Next up. Paul, George, and Jerry McCain and whatever picks needed for Lorry Marketing.

No. You don't want to pair Lurie marketing with Tidecone with Edgecombe and Maxie? Well, I don't understand why you'd want to give up your picks. I wouldn't want to do that for somebody. Because Lorry is a dog. He's a dog. He's a dog. Do I want to spend $120 million on Lowry Marketing and Joel and Bede?

Probably not. Yeah, no. I mean, you spend that now on Paul George and Joelle and Bede. This is better. I know, but now I have to give a Picks and Jeremy King? No, I ain't doing it. Picks and Sunshine? No, I'm not doing that.

I can't lose my sunshine. I can't do it. That's worth like an extra $40 million of cap space. Exactly. This is why I'm saying no immediately. People don't factor in sunshine enough and vibes into the equation. This is a real, like, pinnical piece to team building. That's what I'm saying.

It's part of the. trade exception. I do think it would make sense to try to do Jeremy Canaan picks to a team that gives you a forward to fit Maxie and Edgecombe better. I wouldn't hate this depending on what the pick compensation looks like. Also, but it's also, it's the jazz, man. You take Paul Georgian picks and you would take whatever I give you. What the fuck? But like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, no, but like you're also taking, I'm going to give you the opportunity to have picks and to get off of or to, you know, take this contract. Well, picks is a vague statement. No, that could be three or it could be one if it's like mccain one first one swap in two seconds i mean yeah like i'm not gonna hit

him with like the lakers like oh i give you d low and a pig like it'll be a little bit more extensive than that but you once again you will take what i give you and that's it and you'll be happy about it i'm not negotiating with with danny ain't you'll take my bullshit and you'll like it danald next up marketing to the pistons for harris ivy and three first three first is a lot man You know, Larry Markins an All-Star. Fixes their shooting. He's an All-Star who we haven't seen in the playoffs yet, though. Harris, obviously he replaced Harris.

They've been working fine without Ivy, so I think that's not that big of a difference. It's like replacing Harris in the rotation with Lowry. That might be worth three first. If I can do two first round picks instead of three, I do it. Three's a lot, bro. Three's a lot plus Ivy, which... Who knows? I don't think he's in nothing.

Yeah. Yeah, two first-on picks, we got a deal. I think obviously everyone talks about Larry to the Pistons for good goddamn reason. It'd be beautiful. It would make all the, it would make Duren and Assar so much more filthy of slasher's with Lowry running off the screens drawing attention. If this is to happen, I'm solidifying them to be a final team in the Western Conference.

They're making the finals. They're not better than the next. If they get Larry. Larry is putting his finished nuts on Odie's forehead. Why? Fine, fine, Mikel's forehead. Not to win. Janus for Jalen Dern

Asar Thompson and a 2029 first round pick No No Now I said no at first But think about it The Jalen Duren ascension It's like oh cool

Their new building block Kind of gives them perfect ammo For Yannis If maybe the bucks And sell themselves on Duren Kaden Duren I mean Kaden Yannis Maybe we can make something happen

I'll give you another first If you let us keep Asar Thompson Can't happen Because keep on You also have Isaiah Stewart Who can space the floor For Yonis

That's kind of filthy I can't I don't want to mess up the chemistry over there in Detroit I'm not I'm not giving up a sorry I'm not doing it I'll give you another first round pick but I have to keep him okay I snatched a phone from him but yeah I'm giving you a sorry yeah no fuck out of here sorry it's hard you're a great defender for yannis salute yeah I can find another elite defender in the next year's draft class where I got Ron Hall waiting yeah my resume is going out to the other 2018 give me a new job clearly not respected in this organization I I think if you believe Jalen Duren is going to be this like superstar big, maybe

you just keep him and roll with your depth. But I kind of buy that. Maybe he's a good trade chip and Yonis and Kate with the five men that can space. Again, letting go Dern like just as he's like starting to send this feels like bad process. I sure, but except it's Yonis. It is Yonis. It's Yonis. Ultimately.

He just got good, man. You just lost like 26, 27 games in a row two years ago. Or I stay up. I can keep my pick. I can keep my young stars and we just keep building. and the bucks who are in our same conference. Yeah, y'all go figure that out for yourselves. Great.

And then you lose to the Knicks and you never have another chance as good as this year. Then what? Damn, I should have had Giannis instead of a SAR. Brother, we're hooping right now. If you're the pissings, I'm hooping. I'm hooping. I'm having my young core.

I'm doing whatever. Okay. Orlando trades Franz, Mo Wagner, and a pick for Donovan Mitchell. The hell no. If I think about this, I don't know, the cabs might blow it up. If they decide to get rid of Donovan Mitchell,

you pair Donovan Mitchell with Palo, better fit. see if this was like trade paolo and a pick that i'd be like yeah but you can't they have to try to keep palo he's their guy de mitch can maybe make paolo's life easier and now this is where in the front office we have those conversations of it's palo really our guy is franz our guy and then we trade palo but now who is the fuck is donovan mitchell's our guy and franz fits him really well exactly i mean my bad my bad my bad Donald mitch is our guy and power can be a little bit better as a second option maybe.

We have defenders and spacers and then Franz can go pair up at Evan Mobley and be awesome. So that means you're gonna have Donovan Mitch that point guard and doesn't, or that's a bunch of logged in him. I can't do it.

Because there's Suggs is there still too and doesn't do it. Bainz is there. Bainz of three? You still have Pallelor, you're still a big team. I'm not doing this. Yeah, I can't do it. I'm not trading Franz right now.

Yeah, I don't want to change trade fronds. Okay. Yeah, we either trade in Palo right now if we like want to really, really blow it up and do everything or we're not making the trade out. I would only do this if Farms is, like, a disappointment.

Currently, he's far from that right now. Okay, okay. Write it out. Lamello to the Wizards for C.J. McCollum, A.J. Johnson, and a pick. What are we doing? If I'm the Wizards? What are we doing? If I'm the Wizards, yes.

Why not? Like, I'm offering this. If I'm the Hornets, don't call my phone. What is this? This is foolishness. I'm reporting you to the league. I'm telling him, yo, some who are you getting out my number? I don't know what's going on.

Yeah. I think they could sell on LaMello if they wanted to. Not for this. like into the wizard's like what do you expect to be doing like a good trade obviously but it's like why do you want to do this to yourself well look for the wizards maybe like i'm gonna try and get camboosur in the draft this year and they get that guy paramil lamello i can start being good next year with insert star player saar and lamello start being good and lamello in the same conversation just hasn't been a real thing boozer sar and lemlo might be filthy i'm not gonna lie but

kishon george in the middle that might be on to something if they get a top three pick maybe but i don't know man but yeah if you're if you're the hornets fuck out of my face Jeremy Sohan plus Olinic And two first-on picks For Trey Murphy Two first for Murphy Are you selling For the Pelicans

Yeah Yes Selling him so fast Quick Trey Murphy next to Wemby And all those guards Kind of would work They need a wing of the future

That's a perfect fit I love Harrison Barnes He's shooting like a million percent From the three point line right now But you were not Trey Murphy And Harrison Barnes shooting a million percent From three point line It's so big for them

As soon as that HGcliff hits And he shoots 35% instead of a million you're going to want a Trey Murphy. Yeah, exactly. That gives you so much more versatility offensively too. Yeah, you can maintain the identity

that's working now with Barnes would be a little more dynamic. Trey Murphy would be perfect. Yeah, another someone who would be an elite spacer in this ecosystem too. Yeah, let's do it. Fox Castle, Murphy, Wendy.

And then you casually have a cell and fucking Harper on your second unit with another seven footer, championship time. Yeah, we're talking. I don't know about championship time, but they'd be really good. Let's call it in.

Let's talk. I honestly, this seems kind of realistic. I can see this. Luca for A.D. Max Christie and one first round pick. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah, this seems fair. What if that first round pick was, would you do if it was for Cooper Flag?

So for, so Luca for AD Cooper Flagg and Max Christie? Yes. Would you do that? I mean, Cooper Flag is already a top 45 player. Would you do? That's actually interesting. You're telling me I can trade Luca for two top 50 guys? Not doing it Might have to do I have to get on that

Yeah And the third In Cooper Flag And Max Chrissy Top 50 obviously Yeah If he's a Zubatch The Celtics

For Anthony Simons And two first-on picks In a swap True I think capitalizes It's name like that Big boy So Zubotch

All caps when you say the name I don't think The MF Doom Yeah I don't think the clippers Are that Dipper's are that dumb To do something like that

Anthony Simons You think it's dumb Two first time picks In a swap for Zubach When they got Blow it up They need all the picks They can get

Well the clippers I don't know if they're that dumb to do all that for someone like Simons. I don't think it's dumb. It's not about Simons. That's just salary. Two firsts in a swap for Zubatch is not bad. They got to blow it up. They're nothing going for him.

Actually, it's not terrible. We could get some draft capital back and have the rebuild potential. I mean, I'm going to say no because I can't have the Celtics do this. They're going to win the championship. They get Zubach. If they got Zubach, then you have Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, another year, Derek White. And Jordan Walsh, those three wings with Zubach. You're huge.

Yeah, nah. Now, we can't allow this tab. We need the Celtics not to have a big. that can have a fatal flaw. Otherwise, we're going to see green hoisting the trophy again. I told you it can't happen. It's not a good trade. Can't happen.

Bad for the week. And I will say, Lawrence Frank, if you do this, this is worse than the cap evasion. Yeah. Yeah. Lamello ball for me.

I will also not play NBA basketball and I will do it for considerably less. Fair trade. Be at the games. I think tuck jumps is what the hornets need. Court side seats all the time. Fair game. Yeah, he's living.

Clean the books. Free showers. Yeah, he's living. I'll do it for less than the vet minimum. Unlimited Gatorade. Shit, sign me up. We'll do the opposite of the caps of a convention. I'll take less than you're allowed to give me.

Shit, I might pay you $5 a month. Let's do it. Would you pay $5 to be a hawk for the year? Of course it would. Are you crazy? I'll pay $5 every single day. What's the most you would pay to be recognized as an Atlanta Hulk? I'll pay $5 every single day.

To be recognized to just be like a part of the start a lot. I would do it. Yes. Absolutely. What's the most I'll pay? Yeah, like they 40K Yeah, like what you said

They have the start line up And then they have like Like the fan of the whatever And it's your picture 40K just for 40 wins It's too much I ain't doing it Hell no

I do like 20 I mean that'd be a good I mean If you want to get meddle with it That'd be a good business investment Channel's gonna go crazy If you're on the Hawks Who is tuning into the Hawks for

I don't know We as a business We as a business will pay 40K To get you on the Hawks I promise I promise That's a right off For the Hawks So who's watching the Hawks?

It's not good marketing. Have you seen our attendance this year? I will get those TikTok videos in the locker room. Janis for Stefan Castle, Sohan, Barnes, and two firsts. Stefan Castle's hard to give up on right now. So basically, Janice for Castle and two first-home picks. Yeah, so do you want to see that? Are these too good?

They don't need to make a trade, or do you still want to see Janus and Winby play together? I don't think I would do it because Stefan Castle's development over the last. what, 10 games or so has shown that he has elite skills that could translate into all-star things and I've had that on one side Dylan Harper who feels like a lot to be an all-star current All-Star and something like Deerrin Fox 2

I'm not touching on. Imagine you can have Deeran Fox 2, Harper 2, Fasel 2, Yonnes Atenacou and Wendy. I'm not doing it. Yonis is tough, man. We're going to take these two first-round picks and I'd rather do the Trey Murphy deal than this.

If you're the spurs. Okay. So you want to maintain your identity and add one more piece that can fit in that and not change our love for you on us? Yeah. Okay.

That's a lot. We can get there. Okay. Anthony Davis back to New Orleans for Zion Alvarado two second rounders. Nope, nope, nope, no. Anything that involves

trading for Zion where my team is inheriting Zion Williamson, we are not doing it. Bad for the future, bad for the bloodline. I'm not doing it. Why are you trading Jose Alvarado, man?

For what? Yeah, what do you say fucking for? Yeah. He's a heart of your team, but y'all got nothing going on without Jose. Do you want to see AD go back to New Orleans?

Pay him up with Derrick Queen? Actually, I would love to see that duo. I would love to see it. I'd be okay with seeing it. It'd be like a good, a good heartfelt story. I'd be all right. Look at AD going ahead.

I don't know if I'd like to see AD in another big period. That is a, AD going back to New Orleans is a cut scene in two cases. And I'm looking at it for five seconds and I'm a hold egg. I'm going to skip it. That's a punishment for Anthony Davis. Why are you sending him back to the worst franchise in the league? What do you do to deserve this?

nothing not a damn thing you know how mad i would be if i was playing for the lakers and then in two years i'm on the pelicans you're back in leagin against my will i'm so mad i'm retiring tank commander zion to sacramento for demar a second round pick and a half a cannapringles you didn't even hear about the half a cana fringles i one if we can get zion out of here i'm with that if you're sacramento you got to do something let's just switch it up zion and subonis duo, kill me. You lose nothing. Both of these two teams don't lose nothing and they don't gain nothing. No, you lose

me. I said, kill me. I'm not watching Zion and Sabonis play together. You are nothing. We lose nothing. Big three of Levine, Zion Sabonis? End me now. I refuse. I'll watch Zero Kings basketball. They could make a push towards the playing.

Hardly. We need to detonate the ones of the conference. That's the case. That's the 12 seats. Lamello in a 2026 first round pick for Trey young I'm not trading Lamello for small Lamello Why are we doing this? What's the point? This is a lose-lose trade

Actually you get a Lamello in a first 2026 first this coming draft Get the Hornets pick if it's unprotected Oh yeah I'm gonna trade the unprotected hornets pick alone for Trey Give me the pick Goodbye Trey The pick and Jalen Johnson

That's our future Because then we'd have the Pellicans pick Plus the Hornets pick Plus Jalen Johnson Oh we can cook You know what that means? I mean, do you have Janus? Facts.

Exactly. We read out that pick with the other stuff. We get Janice and Jalen Johnson together. Oh my goodness. If the bugs, if you told the bugs right now, hey, you can have the Pelicans pick and the Hornets pick for Yonis. To start your rebuild for Yannis. And research age is because they would pack Yonis's bags.

Yep. Let's do it immediately. What I'm hearing is we do this, everybody wins except for the Hornets who gets right young let one less pick. Let's do it. Trey Young con can't nipple? Lamello and Jock get swapped. No.

Who wins? Hell no Nobody We win Because we get to make a video Reacting to it Because it'd be funny Because everybody loses

That is true This this might be One of the YouTubers Win everybody else loses One of the worst What is Lamello Doing and

Actually no Honestly the Grisys Win The Gris have a pretty Good Supporting cast Right now But their star Is playing like shit

If you get them Like is Lamello Just like his regular And like the coaching staff Gets gets a better defensive effort out of him The Grizes Might win the trade

Asking Lamelo to be Regular is like As like asking The Sun to be out 24-7 Lemill can shoot at least Well, technically the sun The low key

The Grizzies win the straight Pretty easily actually With the level of Jaws currently playing And the availability of job I don't have Lamello Than John on my team right now But I guess whatever that is I can at least bet on

There's some upsides Still with Lamello I'm worried that Like all we can hope for For Jha is to get back To where we've been The past few years Which isn't even that exceptional

The heat get Janus And the bucks get Hero Wiggins, Kalil And a few first round picks Just a few I need to find a few That's a lot for Janus. We're not doing that.

We've got Norman Powell, Janus, Bam out of bio. A lot of your depth has gone. Losing out on Wiggins hurts. I don't want that. That hurts. Baming, Yannis is playing volleyball at the end. Nah, I'm good. Honestly? I'm okay.

Hero, Wiggins, and Ware. You probably flip Wiggins again for more picks. So you get Hero, Ware, and like three or four first round picks. I can rock with that if I'm on the books. Yeah, if I'm on the bucks, I'm doing this in a heartbeat. Absolutely. This is one of the best, like, assets that you would get. I'm gonna let hero come be my great white hope

prop him up as a new star Milwaukee I think he's from Wisconsin too as well correct perfect I think I do this for the bucks if I'm the heat but yeah you think he wants to go back to Wisconsin probably not he's lived in Miami his whole NBA career yeah I probably wants to go like Memphis or something Zion Williams

into the Warriors for Kaminga Quentin Post Al Horford in a first round pick Here what they had was already better I'm just ready get him away from step please no don't let him breathe the step step right now might not even have a problem with zion if this if they are talking about this trade get the restraining order have them 50 feet away don't don't step near wardell don't get near the warriors you cannot be within two stop signs of the stadium i don't know if jemont

do not do this this also just a lot for zion yeah i don't know if brer jama would not like this trade at all bro he would fucking hate someone like zion They couldn't play together either. Well, I see they could. The same way they've been like, I can fix him for Kaminga. Imagine the amount of I can fix them for Zion. Yeah. Jimmy Butler and Draymond would band together, try to make him be great.

And he'd come and he'd miss a practice and he'd be lazy on defense and they'd want to throw him over the plane. Yeah, no, it'll be ramps. It would turn so quick. Zahler will be getting D&Ps over there. Oh, Steve Kerr would hate him. Jackass, yeah. Steve Kerr would hate his ass.

He'd be happy to give him DMPs. Oh, it makes you fair happy. And that's the last one. That's funny. next thing we are going to do we're going to do something that we did on house call check it out our NFL show

we are going to blind rank NBA players from this website blind rank.net we have a tab with 2000s players and a tab with current NBA players but we're not just going to blind rank these players I have 10 categories for us to blind rank them in

so every set we see we're going to do the different category we're going to start off current NBA players category one players you let date your daughter first up we got Kyle Kuzma five

four just because I feel like there might be worse people yeah this is come back to the NBA right now so I guess we go four like Cozman's an airhead okay right

actually no I'm not gonna like Kuzma 5 I'm talking about I'm talking myself through right now Kuzma's five Kuzma get paid As long as Miles

Bridge doesn't pop up I think we go Kuzmo at 5 let's I don't know I think you might be safe at 4 you're right he's not that bad okay we'll go four

LeBron James one how old is my daughter I don't want a weird age gap but let's assume I assume it doesn't matter Yeah

One yeah one one I'd like to have my daughter Marry a billionaire That'd be sick Generational will It's a hypothetical daughter We don't have to Yeah

Why not? Hell yeah Zyle Lipson That's what I said Five You're right Kuzma my bad He ain't gonna be there

Forever Ronis Three He would be four But Let's put him three Three He would

Yeah I don't want that guy No, Kuzma remains four. Oh, no. Yonis would be embarrassing. You got to hear more about Kyle Kuzma. You got to hear about Yonaz. You heard about Yon and you just forgot.

Anthony Davis, too. Okay. I like this. Yeah. That's fair. I think we got it perfect. Okay. That's fair.

Yonast three. Can you imagine being on your phone one day as a father and you say, y'all has said, what about my, no, man, come on now. Can you imagine see Kuzma's Instagram stories? Oh, good Lord. He said, what about RFK? Okay, next up, we're going to do NBA players in the 2000s. Okay.

Which this category is, you know, y'all just will fucking kill you, bro. What? Bring you in all your brothers, Russ, rap. Come on now. I can't see that. Hell no. Category two, players, you want to build a franchise around. All right, four.

Carlton Towns up first. You can do worse For it's good Yeah you can do worse But among star players You really can't do that much worse Yeah, four is good Four

He's movable Joelle and Bede Five Okay, let's say But if it's early Joel and Bede I got five years I'm being an MVP Before it fell apart

I'll take that over cat But just never Yeah I'll take that over cat But we'll go three Because there's probably Two more reliable players Okay We got five years at MVP basketball

You did win an MVP you're right Yeah Several runner-ups Yeah give me that for sure Chris Bosch That's five He's pretty similar to Kat, I think You wanted to be your second and third star

You don't want to build around him per se Five is Yeah I mean they only made the playoffs like A couple times Yeah, he was in Toronto Yeah Pretty mid, let's go five Yeah so again

Also an all-star Pretty similar to Connie Towns I think Top two, Blake Griffin Two Okay, we can live with that Yeah, as long as you get like another point guard In there you can make some runs Yeah, we get one of the greatest

Point Guards of all time We can make zero conference finals Level 1, Marcusal Your franchise would be stable You will be stable You'll have no drama Everybody will show up to work Every single day

That's what I need This is the most franchise players available This is pretty big You can make a conference finals With Mark Gassall This is true You can't make a conference finals

With Joel and B We can find him My Connolly They're around Okay next up Back to current players Players You want taking the last shot

Zion 5 Yeah, Zion up first. Taking the last shot. Five. What if there's like a bum on here? He hasn't been efficient. Let's say four. Yeah, I'm thinking four.

Maybe there's a bum. Maybe you're someone who can't shoot. Yeah, let's say four. He can't shoot. Zon can get to the rim. He'll get to the rim. He'll at least get, like, filed. Yeah, he might get fouled.

Yeah. I don't know if I'm making him, but we'll go for it. Anthony Davis. Can't be much higher three. Three? Current day, Anthony Davis, that's that three. Current day, AD, probably five, but probably. We'll go three.

Yeah. Well, out of respect. Out of respect for 2020 Jalen Brown Two Two I'm pretty comfortable This is a shot Yeah too

I'm cool with that It's not like it's a superstar But I'm comfortable with that He's mad efficient this year Let's do too Bam out of bio Five Hell no

Don't put the ball Near his hands Let him get the game saving Block and then give the ball At Tyler here Yeah You can pass The game saving block

Get a nice offensive rebound but You can be inbound And Jamal Murray won Perfect Easy Nailed this That's exactly

If I want out of this five He's hit game winners That made me Have Nightmheres at night as a Lakers fan. I just saw the clip the other day. Yeah, don't talk about it again. Mad clutch.

No more talking about it. Don't let me hear anything about that clip. It is crazy. Back to 2000s players. Bro, they got sweat. I don't want to hear about it. It's disgusting, man.

Players I could go pro in another sport. First off on Marcus Aldridge. Five. What is he doing in another sport? Golly, maybe. Hockey? No, I don't think he can't move like that. No.

What else is the other than a judge are needed by a goalie. I don't even know. You got to be mad food. I'm very, very quick. You're standing right there. You don't move? You have to be very quick. Yeah, yeah, reflexes.

Okay, did it? Five, five. He's the worst. Can you play water polo? You need to be tall for that. I don't know. You do. I don't know.

Is there pro water polo? It's just like Olympics. Olympics? Five. Next up. Ben Wallace. Yes. Defensive end?

Probably. Yeah. That's Ed Too Tall Jones. Yeah, because he wasn't, because he, he was an undersized center. So you could just be a really, really big football player. Yeah. Ed, Two, Tall Jones was a 6-9 defensive end. That's Ben Wallace.

Exactly. You put some, some creatine and protein shakes on this thing? Two? Okay. Two. Yeah. Why not? Powell Gasol for a big slow basketball player, seven footer? You're not playing any other sports foot.

He's playing water polo. Yeah, he only had one option. Yeah, maybe the ping pong tables. I think those got got to be small. Okay. Chris Paul. One. Yeah, I think you play so many different sports.

Chris Ball could be a corner for sure. Yeah, young Chris Paul, when he could, like, actually move. Mm-hmm. Smart guy. But he's like 5-11. Yeah, that's a corner. If you train him for like two years, he could play soccer. Probably.

Yeah, he's smart. Okay, Chris Ball number one. Chris Ball can play baseball too. He can be a shortstop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. I think you play tennis too if you really wanted to. Is he Mookie bets?

Loki. Loki. Clay Thompson number three. All right. Yeah, I think, you know, and that's fair. Clay can be a possession receiver, maybe a tight end. I was thinking he would tie it in. I think Clay Thompson can do whatever.

he puts his mind to nice I like Clayton I think he could do that okay we'll bet all the personalities okay next up we got how good they be as a lead in a romantic comedy movie oh shit okay

we gotta do that what's gonna say one I see he's one he's one he's kind of getting up there he does a little will they won't they in the media would age pretending they're not together for a while

maybe he has a little charisma to him he has to be top three Barry right the middle right right maybe you can do a little bit sleeper for one though McHale Bridges four four yeah it's not bad

I don't think you're next charismatic cool dude I mean a lead yeah he probably can't can be the lead yeah say four he can be the like

he can be the little best friend that cares so much about his job and you want to get him out at night he's like now I gotta go to work but he can't be the lead okay Jared Jackson Jr he's pretty charismatic

I mean if it's got to be two or I'd probably rather do two, I guess. Really? I mean, I don't know. Do you want to lead the last two open? I think I'd be okay with him at five. Yeah, I don't know if he was like that. We should have a bandman one.

Five. I haven't seen the audition tape. Joelle and Bede. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, yeah. This is a real movie. Let's go to. This is cinema.

Let's go. He's perfect for romantic comedy. We can put him at one low key. Fuck it, one. Romantic comedy? Hell yeah. Jeremy Grant at two. I guess.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Sure. I have no idea How is this movie selling on right now Can Jeremy Grant act And sell me on the power of instant romance Jeremy Grant is sorry

You know what He sets like an unknown And he can show up and surprise you Like he's not typecaste Yeah, okay It's a blank slate Next up Which players rank the highest all time

Hmm Okay Very simple. Lamarcus Aldridge. Five. You assume there's four other stars on here? I guess so, but I mean, this is not like a top 100 player of all time. Yeah, never want an MVP.

Is he top 150 player of all time? I don't know. Fucking, you think I've ranked that for? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe. He might not be a top 200 player. No, I think you probably have a lot of 200. He is.

200? Russell Westbrook. Could do three or four. Three is probably safe. Okay. Three is a good number for an MVP. He was a, he was a NBA 75, right? Russ?

No. I don't remember. It wasn't MVP? No, no. That's actually really interesting. I never thought about that.

Because Kyrie, how could Kyrie make in about Russ? Carrie didn't make it. Damien Lloyd and Anthony Davis are the worst, like, new players that made it. That's weird. That's kind of crazy that Russ didn't make.

Well, let me make sure I'm not saying bullshit. He might have made it. Yeah, I think he's like he's an MVP. Yeah, an MVP of the lead doesn't make the top 75? Yeah, I think Russ would have made it.

Maybe, maybe I'm wrong. Let me see. Did he make it? Oh, yes. see what he did he did make it okay okay so yeah so i'll say three yeah three yeah three okay top 75 player of all time number three Dwight Howard right on that line yeah four kind of the same as Russ I guess we go for just to say the top two spots more yeah just keep the top two spots open next up Chris Paul that's right there two do we go two and hope you have a legend

yeah yeah throw the dice or do you go one and hedge our bets let's do two okay please be a legend number one LeBron James Look at perfect He never let us down Glorious victory Look at your chest Look at your arms

Look at your legs Where else He never lets us down My sunshine Head to toe Calm down You said what else Next up

We're going back to current day players Nasty Raint these guys Category of Blind Ranking ORA Who has the most aura First off I got Brandon Ingram Don't sleep

Oh don't sleep I said four Don't sleep You're saying three It's four three I would say four Nice a pineapple expressora Four on more tame side

We could do four Okay Yeah let's just be conservative This is the personnel To be top three But you know He's a little Noshal on it

He got shit going on man Luca Donchich Two What does he have Uh Just fire you up Fired up white boy I guess

Is that one Listen, that resonates with a lot of people. That resonates with most of America. I'll say two, two. He has so much or he has so much fired up whiteboard aura that most of America thinks he's better than Shea. Two, two. Two.

Next up, Desmond Bain, five. Five. What or does he have? Fucking, the kid in detention, he keeps punching the wall. Yeah, well. Punching holes in drywall. He's still on the hate watch list. So five.

Next up. Kauai Leonard. Three. Kauai is speak at ORA. I guess, but I'd rather him go below, Lucas, than above. Yeah, because Kauai has the, like, I'm not really trying. I don't want to be any of this. King nonchalant.

Yeah, that's, but it's a cool nonchalant. It's a boring nonchalant. No, he ate a whole brand off of being boring, though. It's a good brand. Pre-investigation, I can see people saying, like, oh, it's not bad. It's a high brand. That's three. Okay.

Number one. Julius Randall, let's go. Big Swall aura. dubious handle oh this stinks oh we should have put co I went ah the stinks I'll take it what I'll take it

what's like instarational about Julius Randall like what's like oh man he's so tough I don't know but I'll take it oh man like how we put it on like nice family man yeah family man next category how how well you think they can dance oh okay it's easy five

Carlis he can't move his hips five he can't move his at all but he is Dominican though so you should know oh shit you're right You should know a little something. It's a very like... I think it used to be four. I'm just in place.

I'm not going all around the dance floor. I'm going to stay right here in my box in the pocket. That's all that matters sometimes. Okay, four. Four. Four. We can do worse. Next up, Luca Donchich.

Five. Five, I can't lie. I mean, listen, what are they doing out there in Slovenia? I have no clue. Are they moving like that? I don't know. I assume Eastern Europeans don't dance. I assume they just wear coats.

See, that's what I'm saying. That's a misconception because they also party. They do party out there. Yeah. I picture everybody that's like Eastern European Renaissance Festival

like I just I just picture of all like hold a hand doing like a line dance in the circle that's ridiculous the image that's ridiculous

I'm sorry that's what I think five that's what I think that's my truth I'm sticking to it just eating mad mutton chops like

Jaylon Brunson I think he's probably too cool to dance he probably thinks he'd just be in the corner just bobbing his head yeah he takes stuff too seriously to dance

yeah he's thinking he's sorry So three, he should be lower. He might be the... He hit you with a nice one of these. He just not bothered up. I can't even imagine that, man. He goes to the club, shoulders against the wall, leg kicked up, posted. Yeah, exactly.

He's not dancing. Yeah, three. Brandon Ingram. I guess, too, I suppose. He is not dancing. His ass is not moving. Number one, Kevin Durantz. I think Katie, he can look.

He pulled some shit off. Oh, we've seen him dance. Yeah, that one. He even clicking his knees together. move. He is one. This is very fitting. Okay.

There we go. Okay. So, honestly, it's Kevin Rand and four dudes who don't dance. I know for a fact, don't dance.

But Brandon Ingram's kind of crazy because, like, if he, like, if he was an all-star and they, like, introduced him in the warm-ups

or whatever, and he just, like, hit a pin drop. Like, I feel like Brandon Ingram has, like, one move. That's, like,

a party trick in his bag. I doubt it. Next one. How fun they are to watch. First off, Shaq. Damn, there are one. One or two. If you want to save one, I get it.

We never start with one. I think we start with one. Yeah, let's do one. That's just fucking have to sit the bar. Yeah, why not? Tim Duncan, fun to watch? Fun? Probably three or four?

Four? Probably more fun. Yeah. Four. Even peak Tim. I'm totally fun. I mean, it's fun for like nerds that like appreciate helpside defense. But like, even at his best, the league as a whole in the style of basketball.

that they were playing wasn't super like fun and open yeah we go for so Kevin Garnett two two or three three only in terms of style of play only marginally more fun than Tim Duncan but he's insane and we'll scream at people so that's more fun exactly he's talking shit whoa damy Lillard probably two two two he's two to two for sure easily to bubble dame that's one of the most fun experience I've ever had watching basketball easily too and number five Paul Pierce perfect makes sense per I mean maybe he's a little more fun than Yeah, Paul Pierce to get his bag off. Kind of.

It was like, yeah, I'm cool with this. Okay. It's not bad. It's a good list. I think that's, we nailed it. And last one, how funny they are. Going back to current day players, Desmond Bain. He's hilarious in the worst way.

In a way that like, it's very dangerous. Yeah, yeah. In the way that your crazy cousin who doesn't, you don't like him come around at Christmas, the way that he's funny. Yeah. Because you again, will punch the drywall. Like if you ask, if you see me come up on the show and like, did you see what does Desmond Bain did

and like I start chuckling Terrible Oh my God Who did he knock knock out this week? Yeah I think it's three We'll go three Okay nice and even

Next up Drew Holiday Not funny five Not funny at all Does he ever told a joke Yeah Scotty Barnes one One

One Y'all got it One Yes Hell yeah One Bam out of bio four Yeah

He's not He's not out there Trying to make people laugh at him Yeah yeah He's real comic collected. Number two, Jaron Jackson Jr., I guess.

You can have it. You guys know he had 12 rebounds the other day? Are you serious? I swear to God, I'm not lying there. It's a Christmas miracle. I swear to God he had 12 rebounds. He's a Christmas miracle. That's crazy.

I saw somebody quote tweet a tweet about, like, with his stats, and he was like, he had how many rebounds? I was like, this is crazy. He's 6'10. Yeah, he got the whole world sucked. We should not be patronizing. Last thing we're going to do, an extra long tick talk time for Christmas, we're going to play

the forehead game. I missed. These things are not aerodynamic at all. That thing came out so flimsy. You guys know what this works? We're going to play NBA, Who Am I? We'll put a player on our heads. We've got to see which one of us can figure out who we have. We have a bunch of them in this thing.

So we've been doing a lot of the keeper sabotage rafts. There's a lot of bums in here that I hope we get one of them. There's a lot of random players. Okay. Okay. So onto this camera so you guys can see more clearly. I look at

I'm a dodge ball with this with the hair coming out so draw my player got it oh yeah

I gotta we gotta make sure we don't look at the TV so you don't see your player all right it's the right

no you're holding it sideways but it's facing the right way no now you flipped it that was done oh sideways okay

there you go there you go okay so we got a players I'm going to take this all You got to shed the bread Yeah Okay So you guys are new

No basketball questions or basketball questions? Let's start with basketball questions Okay Do you want to do only basketball questions? You know what? No basketball questions NBA, who am I? No basketball questions

Okay No basketball questions, okay Am I I I don't want to phrase this How do I ask this? Oh, I can ask it. It's not about so question.

Am I black? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do I have coily hair? No. Same question.

Okay. Well, what? Oh. Do I have coily hair? Oh. So he's kind of like. I had to take a second. He's just kind of in there.

Let me not mislead you. Yes. You have poorly hair. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Would I be considered? Am I considered by the public as a family man?

I would say so. Probably? Yeah. Like, I never. Yeah, I think so. I guess. Yeah. Why not?

Hmm. I don't know if it's commonly talked about, but sure. Do my peers respect me? Yes. Yes. Okay. We're resounding, yes. They respect the shit out of me.

Yes, they do. They do. Okay. Am I currently employed? You are currently employed. Okay. Checks are coming in the mail. All right, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.

Do I spend a majority of my day sitting on the couch eating snacks? Today? Yes. No. No. Damn. All right, your question. Okay, that's also a crazy question.

Who are you aiming for with that? Well, it was, I was trying to basically like, are you employed? Okay. It's nice. What are you employed? Okay, so I'm respected. I'm black. Obama.

Am I, Kevin Hart? Do you think I've met Kevin Hart? No. He might have. Actually, for a moment, he might have met him. I think so. Okay, I feel like I know that this might be. They're past man crossed.

Okay. I feel like I know what this is. Okay. Does my player put that shit on? Yes. Yes. yes certainly now

yes okay putting that shit on you guys are diving to his closet is this shack that's not shack is this bill russell yes

damn it you guys go for second place what are the odds name of Kevin Kevin Hart passed cross paths I guarantee you if we looked up

Bill Russell and Kevin Hart like picture of him Shillard would be everywhere bro he does he's always at

NBA events yeah okay okay is my turn all right Actually, maybe we should do it so when a person gets that you each get one last guess. Yeah, that's fine.

Okay. You each got one last guess so you get second place. Okay. My last guess is somewhat cool here. He puts that shit on the place today. I don't know. Is this Shea? No, but it's not Shea.

You have Victor Woman Yama. Victory being put him on that shit on? He puts on crazy costumes. He would just have a slender man. What do you think you got? He also stays. He stays in Louisiana. that's who do you think you at um you talk about like maybe not a family that Chris Paul

Bill Walton that's tough that's tough ah now I see why you said yeah yeah awkward okay next up give me that happy in that box all right let's do it round two I swear I've got I've got Bill Russell like three times yep dude I keep I've got I think I've won with Bill Russell like a good three times Oh, but you and Bill, man. There's like 80 names in this box. I keep pulling Bill Russell. Oh, you're good.

Here we go. Yeah. Okay. Nice, nice. I guess I'll go first. Is my player funny? Yes. Nice.

Okay, okay, okay. Does my player look like he could spike a mean volleyball? Hell yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. You could spike a volleyball. He can spike a volleyball through the earth. Ooh, okay, okay.

As a secondary career, would people say that my guy can drive trucks? No. What the fuck does that mean? Is he capable of driving a truck, I guess? I wouldn't want him doing no CDL type work. You're right. Keep him away from trucks. He couldn't do that.

Yeah, I don't imagine. I think he would be a danger to society if he had, like. I don't think he had the patience for it. Driving a big 18 wheeler? Nah. No, it doesn't have the patience for it. I think he has, yeah, no, I couldn't do it. My player's funny.

Is my player tough? Yeah. For NBA standards. You know, is he a tough player? Yes. Yes. You look unconvinced. He's like, yeah, I guess.

Very tough. Okay. Also, let me get a good scale. Is Mo tough? What do you know about me, man? Okay, so tougher than Mo, got you. I'm the toughest out of three of us. The fuck.

Okay, my turn. So we can spike a mean volleyball. Okay. Does this player, looked like he had a 3.5 and up a GPA in high school. Probably not. What? I mean, most athletes don't

but probably not. Yeah, probably. If you tell me, if he tells me he doesn't, I won't be shocked. I won't doubt him, but I'm not going to expect it. Come on, man. He does. He doesn't scream studious to me. His headband is not connected to the back. It's not.

Every time it just like flies off. I've been doing that. You just saw that? It never connects. Got that melon. I go lie, I do have a toe on me, bro.

I am a large individual. I'm not here. If I think so funny, it's killing me because I've always known. Is my player part of Gen Z?

Yes. Yeah. Okay. Is my player Gen Z? No. Oh, see, you can't be Gen Z and tough, so that makes sense. Okay. Tough.

Like a mean volleyball. GPA and then in high school. Okay. Does my player, do you think he has a, he would have a strong 401K? Probably not compared to the rest of his peers. he'd be making bad decisions I don't think he's a most financially secure player in the NBA

yeah probably not map up and not all right so doesn't really have the patience Gen Z you could spike the volleyball though I'm thinking would they pass a paper

bag test what's passing what's fail I forget um pass pass what you're like what do you imply what's good and what's bad well considering who's administering the test you yeah i'm gonna oh me uh listen uh all right we'll say

lighter than me is passing it doesn't matter he's about paper bag he's around there okay maybe maybe he's a little darker but around there okay got you yeah to toss up okay okay uh so i know he's tough uh he's funny he's not young Okay, is he, I say, you ask to be Gen Z, no. Is he millennial? No, I don't think so. So he's older? Yeah, he's not millennial.

Okay. Got a little Gen X are going on. Yeah. Yeah. Does my player, could he do like stand-up comedy? No. Oh. No.

Nah, probably not. I don't, nah. Yeah, I don't think he's a stand-up comedian. Everything he asked, we're like, no, this guy sucks. Like, the guy's not a vibe. spike the fuck out of volleyball damn what does he do is he can spike a volleyball

into the earth's core and he sucks and everything like he's bad with his money he's bad when it comes to school like what the hell what does he do uh is my guy

my guy taller than most of his peers above average yeah above average sure to the spirit of the question yes yeah does my player have a career in broadcasting.

No. Well, no. No, okay. I thought it was Barkley or Shack. It's not. Okay. So he's funny, kind of tough, old,

no broadcasting. I don't have shit. Yeah. I need to know if he's like, was he born 2000 or after? I just need to know like, uh,

2000. He's 2019 draft. 2000. Okay. He's a 2000. Oh. He's 2000 and after. Ooh.

He was, He was not born in 1990. He just gave me a little bit. Too much bits and pieces. Yeah, whatever. Mm-hmm. Okay, so it's my turn. So all I know is that this dude...

Oh, I told you the draft. Yeah, you gave me too much. Damn it. I said the draft out loud. Oops. So this guy can't really drive trucks. You better guess he's going to get it. I know he won't have the patience about this complexion,

decently tall. So I'm thinking about like 6-8 or 6-9. Um, is my player, is my player funny? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's hilarious. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yep. Uh, ask, my player's funny. He's kind of tough. I got a swing because I know he's going to get it pretty soon. He's a Gen Xer. Doesn't have a career in broadcasting. Not a millennial. Nope.

So that means like 45 or older. Ah. Sufficient for information. Okay. So he's his early 40s. Steve Nash has a career in broadcasting now, so it's not him. kind of tough but not really

you guys weren't sold on that I don't know it depends on the streets depends on the streets so around 40-ish-year-old actually because like LeBron's millennial he's early 40s so I think you do with you over 45

to not be a millennial to be fair I have no idea where the cutoff pages are okay he's over 45 no okay yeah I don't know what Gen X with the cutoff for Gen X.

Okay, so he's popping in his early 40, just something like that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you definitely would have let me astray. I was thinking old old.

Okay, so. Taking too long. I know. Chris Bosch. No. Fuck. You said 2019. Go ahead and get it right.

You said that he would spike the fuck out of a ball. Probably isn't that, you know, literate financially. 4-O-K will be in the trenches a little bit. He don't have no great

high school GPA. So it's only two guys. So the top two guys in 2019, NBA drafts. Say it. Either Jah or Zion. They could both spike the fuck out of a ball, too.

Just say it. Take your pick. I'm gonna go Zion. It is Zion, Williamson. There we go. Dead ass? Yeah, yeah, yeah. One last guest, who yet?

Scotty Barnes? You have Scotty Barnes? What? Co-victory. Oh, who do I got? No career in broadcasting is throwing me off because everybody does broadcasting. This is so lit. everybody does broadcasting

Chris Paul Nope Damn who was it LeBron LeBron's absolutely a millennial Again I have no idea the I was fucked

The cutoffs I was I was bamboozled I'm sorry Damn with that being said I've lost on a low note I've been screwed Finally Yeah I know right you know

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