The Deep 3 Podcast - We Reacted To Your Hottest Takes About NBA History | TD3 Clips

Episode Date: August 24, 2025

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maybe some current players compared to past decades, a lot of different topics, but all relating to the history of the league. Offseason conversations. First off, Cody Rickards said, Hakeem Elijah wants 1994 season when he won MVP, DPOI, first team all NBA, first team all defense, and third in scoring is the greatest season. an NBA history.

That's not crazy at all. It's not on the short list, but is it the number one most impressive season you can think of? No, and so I like what they did here, right? Adding first team all NBA, first team all defense because most of the time, if you win the MVP,

you're going to be first team all NBA. If you win DPRY, you're going to, a majority of the people are going to be first team all defense. Just trying to add in accolades. When that's already built in. It's implied.

The biggest accolade is just missing from there. And don't forget. Third in scoring, too. So, what an accolade. So, but if you go down the list of people who want MVP, finals NEPOI and DPOI, you have like, you have Yonis, you have him. Kareem maybe did it maybe. No, it's only Yonis, Michael Jordan and him. This is up there.

Who won MVP and DPRI? I mean, no, but Mike didn't win. No, but in the same season is what I'm saying. No, Mike didn't win DPA in a single year. He won the same year on MVP. I don't know if he won the final player. Yeah, no, because he got D.P. why in like 87 yeah yeah i don't think he ever got d p oi in in the run yeah i think he didn't

win the finals that same year yeah so so so it's either are we picking yannis in 21 or are we picking hakeem here i think but even then like you can have a season like this and won of jordan seasons in in 95 or whatever can still be a better season yeah i mean there's years in 1992 jordan was third in d p oi in 1993 he was second d p oi so it was striking distance he just didn't win it, probably because people like Akeem are winning it. But I think if we're counting third in score and I can count

a third in the EPO-1. I think all these are considered with the carry job, Joachim did and how much the team is built around him as the only true like star star. Obviously it was a good team. People maybe downplayed a little too much,

but carry job and stars next to you two-way level play, winning who you beat. Like, this is a very worthy pick. It's not a bad hot take. Yeah. W. Hot take for sure. Yeah.

It's really not even a hot take. It's a reasonable opinion, but we'll give it to you. Next up, Young T. Willie, 2021 Janus is the best finalist performance since 2018, LeBron. Okay. So think about that time period. This is a clear W to me. This is like without a doubt.

So since then, so we're saying better than 2019 Kauai. Yeah, Kauai was injured for the finals run. He wasn't super dominant compared to the first couple rounds. So that's not going to win it. 2020, LeBron and AD both went crazy. So I'm not. Oh, you're talking about running. I thought he was saying finals performance.

That's what I meant. Okay. Yeah, in 2020. Yokich in 23? Maybe I think Jan The team was so overmatched They beat the shit out of the heat I feel like with the comeback

And how good the sons were I think Janus carried a little bit more Drew Hawley also kind of no-showed For a lot of that 50 point closeout game Steph's the debate Steph is the real conversation Yeah

Steph's the debate in terms of like The moment how much you had to carry How good your point it was But I still think it's Janus Like the two-way performance Closing out 50 points in a game seven Memorable dunk Memorable Block was doing everything

I might give Janice the nod just because Steph had and it sucks because it happens every single finals Steph had that one game where he couldn't shoot first time I think it was the first time in his career had zero threes in a in a playoff game and damn and they could have yeah and Andrew Wiggins

had to come in and save the day that's that's always step would have so many more finals MVP's if he didn't have that those one games in each series and it's the same thing here that three point variance get you it's the same thing here make your shots you are the greatest shooter of all

time it is nobody's immune for math relax it's true and so that's why he has a six because he shoots a lot of threes and threes are more variable than ducks that's why

that is what it is I don't know I'm only joking that's a part of the reason why a couple of weeks ago when we did our who's the best if every NBA player was in their peak I listened to Yokin to number two and I was jumped stuff like that well a good thing for step

is a lot more besides shoot those threes that helps them but yeah this is a very good opinion I think the top three is Janice then Luca I mean Steph and Yokic the Lakers I don't know there's two of them and they beat the shitty heat team I think I'll give it to Janus

I think I'll give it to Janus I think I'll give it to Janus this is a good hot take sports wallpapers says if the spurs won in 2013 Tim Duncan would be a top three player ever and maybe in the goat conversation cute a back to back wow he'd have six rings two MVPs

okay It'd be a very similar resume to Hakeem, to, to, Kareem. Here's the... But it's his peak as high as Kareem. Kareem also had, like, best player in the world for a while. It's always weird doing stuff like this because it's like, you know, in sci-fi movies, like you go and you change the bassist like, you can't do that. You're going to change this.

You're going to change the space time continuum. Yeah. If he wins in 2013, are the spurs, are they motivated enough to come back in 2014? Like, because that was one of the big storylines for them is like, you have the chip in your hand. Fair. And then, and then you have the. this entire like revenge season and that's what that's what you get 2014 from i'll say yes the next year happened yes because kawai was still going to become kawai no matter what and they were still

going to be impossible to be okay i'm assuming they're back to back if you're if you're assuming that they go back to back then yes i i i do agree because one you're taking a ring away from lebron you finally have a back to back which they never did in their entire run you are undefeated in the in the finals but would that mean would that mean he's above kareem koreem has a very similar resume and was the best player of the 1980s The early part. I don't like 70s. Well, the second half of that run, like once you start getting into like 84, especially

at 87 and 88, like magic is taking over and he's the one. And obviously like in 13 and 14, Tim isn't, you know, MVP level Tim Duncan, but he's still an all defense level player. I said 80s back in the 70s. He won five MVP's. The best player to the 70s by far. I think Kareem, LeBron, and Jordan can all say they were the best playing the world for a really long time.

Even if Tim Duncan had six rings, I don't think the peak would be quite as high as those. three guys. So I think he'd be without a doubt four, but those top three guys would still have the fact that there's simply a lot better. He'll be damn near right where he's at around that range. Well, some people put him for, a lot of other people put him towards like eight, nine, like he falls in some list. Think about the arguments that we've had for the last 20 years and think about how heavy six and no and how much carrying that has done for one for one person. It would do a lot of carrying for Tim Duncan as well. I think it would make him without a doubt four just at the top of guys without a doubt where they are. He would lock into four with no argument.

I would put him three. And so I think as a hot take, it's a W hot take. It is good, I take. But Cream has five MVPs. That's so crazy. Yeah, I'm still going to be mad when I start calling him plumbers. Okay. John Jake says, hey, brother, I appreciate you.

Appreciate the submission. Alternate X. TLDR. Congratulations. Or I'm sorry if something bad happens. The short version is the best. The defenders of today are better than the best defenders of past generations. Basically because offenses are so much better now,

offensive players are so much better now that the great defenders today are way better than the best defenders of all time from the 90s, 80s, et cetera. I don't think this is a hot take. This is just without or doubt true. This is just common sense. This is easily true. That's why I think Dremont is one of the best defensive players of all time. In the hardest era that they helped usher in of peak offensive basketball,

he's maintained being the best defender, most versatile defender, and completely changing the game, neutralizing so many offenses along the way. And even apply this to other perimeter players. You know what hard is to be a great on-ball defender today when you can't hand-check? Yeah, exactly. And along with all those things that you said, it don't take none but just like five, ten minutes of your time. And watching, it doesn't matter what the error is, whether it be the 70s or Bill Walton or the 80s with magic and all those guys. It doesn't matter because the offense just tends to be way more stationary back then.

Way more stationary. Yeah. Defensive rules make it harder for defenders and offenses are so much high. higher level today that to me this is without a doubt. Yeah, I agree. Okay. Next one. James Hardin is so hated that he might now be the most underrated player of all time. Hmm. Underrated player of all time for James Harden. No, I'm not. I'm not going. I'm not going so far as underrated. Just because we talked about it earlier, I do think Chris Paul is a little bit more underrated than James. Okay, well, besides specifically number one, do you think James Hardin is in that conversation?

No, I don't think so. Because the Renaissance is starting to happen. I feel like, I feel like like five like three or four years ago that's when the hate was really like bubbling up and i was leading the charge and it was like yeah like we got him but now as he's getting to like the back half of his career you've seen people be like he was averaging 40 he was winning MVP's doing all this so i do think that i don't think he's the most underrated player at this point yeah i agree i don't i don't think anyone ever like diminishes hard and for the totality of his career and how he was able to how he was able to like have so many like for the totality of his just the fuck they do i don't really sense that dude the hardin is completely written off in some

conversation some people will say you're not winning the playoffs ever not even a chance of you being in conversation with some people i'm not going to entertain you being a top five seven whatever shooting guard of all time well that is correct i've never heard anybody say not top five seven i think he's widely renowned as like okay like you're a top fourth shooting guard of all time bare minimum There's more haters do you think I think

I think have you ever Do you think Harder's the top for student guard of all time Yes but I do think That's all I needed

No I'm all I need it That's all I need it I will say I will say Because he's he's four Right He's four right now

Like it's It's Jordan Kobe Wade Why do you right off Jerry West in that conversation This is what I'm saying Yeah And now

now like I do think that for a while It was trending To wear Hardin Especially because The MVP's And the success You could

kind of lock him in at either three or four, it was trendy for, like two weeks where you could say him or Wade, as we start stacking up game sevens and game sevens and stuff like that, now you start getting into, is he, is he, has he passed Jerry West? Yeah. And so if you say that he's five, okay. And I don't think it's crazy. Hardin was in Wade talks in 2018 when they pushed the Warriors and were so close to

winning, but 27 missed three, he's like, okay, that's insane, right? Like, clearly he's reached his level. The 19 happened, playoff mountdown. 20 happened, lost in the playoffs. Caribbean off the rails after that with the injuries and everything. So there was a moment where he was on the precipice of breaking the weight convos, but never got it done. Yeah.

Prime TMAC could play Shay's role, but even better in the modern NBA. Yeah, I don't agree. I do agree. I think that's a W take. That's a good take. Prime TMAC today would be amazing in today's NBA. His slash should be so much better.

I think Shea shows us that if you can be enough of a constant rim threat, constant, you know, like paint touch generator, that the playmaking being good enough can, really help you lead a modern offense. But even better is where I draw the line. Okay, you're right. He wouldn't be even better than Shea, but I think he'd do an approximation of that.

I don't know. Would he be, would he be, Ant? He'd be better than Ann. He'd be closer to Shea than Ann, I think. Hmm. Okay.

I think he'd be a top five player right now. He'd be right next to Shay, I think. I think, I don't know what his defense would be like, and if, like, he'd probably wouldn't be a true, like, point guard. He'd be more of, like, a small forward-ish type of guy, but I do think this general idea of him being able to use his scoring

to lead high level offense like Shea does could definitely happen. Yokit, Janish, Shea, who say Luca at 4, whatever. I think Luca T. Maca would be, he'd be in that tier. I don't know if he would be in that tier because... Because he's known as like an off-the-dribble shot maker but when he was young, he could really slash

in the era that was like the worst for slashes ever in the 2000s. I think today with this exact way we've learned how to weaponize slasers and their gravity to be playmakers, NBA coaches are so much smarter of how to lead off into that these days. I don't think he'd be better to say,

but I do think he would be like a top six, seven player for sure. Yeah, he'd be great. I'm drawing the line that even better. Okay, even better is a little too far, but I see what you're cooking and I'll give you a W. Kevin Garnett is the best power for it ever from podcast account. Dishol. Yeah, Tim Duncan exists.

I mean, so the press, this argument really what he's saying is peak for peak. He had a better one-year peak than Tim Duncan did. Is that a respectable hot take? No. You could talk about him maybe as a talent, you could have that conversation. Well, you know, talent plus production, plus, you know, imagine them in different scenarios. Whatever the thought experiment is, you don't think somebody could say, Kevin Garnett was a little bit better of defender, better playmaker.

You don't think it's possible? That's possible for sure. Yeah, but I'm just not giving you the... You're still not getting regardless. Yeah. You don't buy the argument that you put him in that situation on the spur is that they could be just as good? Just as good. I mean, obviously, yes, but at the same time, if we're saying...

saying best power forward ever, I'm not basing it off of a one-year peak versus a one-year peak and we have to get a little bit more. That also means you're saying is he better than Charles Barkley all the time? Yes. Way better defender.

Yeah. Is that close? No. You think it's not close. I mean, they're all both like top 40 players so it's close in number, but I think it's easily kept in that range. I think he's on the high end of it,

but it's like him, Charles Barkley, Dirk. And then you're honest. And it, oh, I forgot about it. I was going to say, dot, dot, dot, insert player here. But, like, that's kind of the range. I guess, yeah, Charles Rockwood was a bad company. I guess it's like, is he even better than Yannis?

That's why I'm like, he's not sniffing. Well, you could also have this conversation with Yana potentially. Yeah, you can. You can't have that. But I think it ends when it comes to thinking about Tim Duncan. Okay. So we're not giving him any leeway, Eltick? Yeah.

Okay. Sorry, podcast account. The Miami Heat are the best franchise in the NBA since the O4 season. So since then, they have. They fell off. They have three chance. And three championships. They have two championship runs of different nucleases, one with LeBron, one with out with LeBron.

They got back to the final Jimmy Butler. So three, three eras of teams that all did a good amount of winning. You have seven finals appearances, three chips. That's a good amount of success. That is. They are one of the most successful teams. However, the Golden State Warriors have four in the last eight. They get it.

When I think about the process and how they get to the point, I think there's so much meat left on the bone that they didn't capitalize off of. and I can't say that they are like the best friend for each other. It's easy to say that now because they're between these eras. But the fact that they got to the finals of Jimmy Butler, when they were dead in the water in 2016, the fact that they got back to being finals level is kind of crazy. Since the 0304 season though, the Spurs have three titles, the Warriors have four.

Like, I don't think the heat are better than those two. Like, yeah, the argument wouldn't be that they're more successful in those two is that when you think about how they got to their success, the levers they pulled, the talent they won, that it's more impressive and they did it more out of their like profession not professionalism but like their skills as a front office than necessarily drafting step curry that's the thing i'm i don't think they pulled enough levers okay and it compared to like the spurs and the golden state warriors like there's almost nothing i could expect more from the spurs specifically and also i guess

you can say the warriors yeah and i like i i can i'll take the heat over the words just because their success was a little bit more sustained and so i guess that is a little bit more about like your organization and being able to adapt where the Warriors is very much very recent but the spurs the spurs were able to to keep winning like they were winning 50 games every single year like in terms of consistency yeah they did it so i'm not i think the spurs are better than they are okay the 2019 raptors ring is not as impressive as so many seem to think it was an amazing team and it wasn't just kawai carrying that diminishes the team by saying koi carried as our resident canadian how do you feel um i think it's impressive

but I can agree when it comes to it's just not Kauai because they did mid-season trade for someone who was just coming off at the end of his prime and Mark Gassal they did have Norman Powell before he was like

what we know him as to be today Pascal Seaccom was just like he was still developing but he's not the player that yesterday he was at that time but it was still amazing same thing for Ogenernobie Fremively was there Kyle Lyra was there

like during his peak years as well that was a deep ass surgy bought the incredibly deep team Danny Green, ridiculous team, bro. You would have thought that Kyrie, the way people talk about it, you would have thought the Kauai averaged 35 in the finals

on like 80% true shooting was insanely dumb like no one's ever seen it. Way more of a team victory than people treat it. So I think the 2019 ring is more impressive for the team than people lead on

and a little bit less impressive for Kauai than people lead on. I think if you were to take Kauai off that team, that team is still winning 50 games in the regular season. They did the next year, they still were a great team

the next year. Exactly. So, yeah, I mean, again, it is a great ring by Kauai, but people treat it like it's one the best of all time and I don't think that's the case. I think people forget that he got injured halfway through that run and was still good in the conference finals and finals

but it wasn't like otherworldly efficiency or anything. He took a, because I'm looking at it now in, the reason people think about this, because round one, he was a god against the Orlando Magic. He averaged 34 points for game. Wow. 34 points of game against the magic shot 53% from

3 and 56% from 2 was insane and against Philly the next round. I didn't know, 27 points per game in that round against the magic because he could play as many minutes. But the next round, it was 35 points for game against the Philadelphia 76ers on 57% effective full goal percentage. Game winner in game seven. Yeah. So those first two rounds, he was ludicrous.

The next two rounds were still good, 28 points per game, but the efficiency slowed down because his knee got injured. So I think people forget that the rest of that team really stepped up as the playoffs went on. Seacom stepped up a lot. Fred Van Bleet. stepped up a lot. Like, everybody did the part. And that's when he started a whole trend in a wave. Yeah, yeah.

Milwaukee and Gold State was a team team thing. Shout out why. next one Kevin Durant has a better all-time peak than Kobe Bryant's get this off my screen I mean just their movies it's not crazy I think if you're looking at them like best three your peak first best through your peak they're both in like the top 12 of best players of all time yeah it's really not crazy I mean it's not obviously resume Kobe Bryant's much better but like just a billy it's not crazy they're within striking distance of each other sir you can have that I hope you sleep well at night the y'all this is crazy I don't think

it's crazy I just think it's disrespectful I don't want to look at it yeah it's not disrespectful to say anybody is worse than Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is maybe a top five peak of all time. It's certainly not disrespectful. Top five peak of all time. Of three year peaks, like, best scoring, defenders, playmakers, like in terms of just your abilities, like obviously

team accomplishments, all the things that go into all time rankings. I'm not saying Kevin Rand should be ranked out. No, but even top five peaks, I think is yeah, that's a lot. Maybe not top five, but you know, whatever the number is, I haven't thought about this, whatever the number is of like, top 12? Yeah, definitely. Sure. Yeah, you can have that. But at this moment of time,

I'm thinking about COVID. I mean, obviously Jordan, LeBron, Shaq. Steph. Yokich. Yokish.

That's five. And where else we're going? Magic and Bird. I think Katie's entering his conversations. Kareem. Okay. Okay. So that's nine.

I think, yeah, I think Katie enters a convo around like 10 or so. Again, he can get 12. He can get top 12. I just don't.

I don't like this. I don't know. know he said maybe you're right i don't like it so i'll take yeah not a fan win loser draw whatever the outcome is your question i don't like you for it but i think they are very comfortable in terms of never comment again yeah maybe we can lean cobi it's it's hard because the error difference in the efficiency but like i think katie would probably be the most efficient score in the NBA in any era no it is i i always say for for katie to have a run especially at 21 to get four straight scoring titles yeah that's kind of

And then do it again, winning rings later in your career when you're a much better defensive player and more refined as a score, like less volume, but more efficient. Like, I don't even know what his best error is as a three-year run. That's the hard part. I mean, it's very, it's the, it's a goal of state run.

Yeah, but like you said, also when he was 22, he was a scoring leader every year. It's like, that's also comparable. Yeah, that's crazy. It's close. Larry Bird wouldn't be as good of a player as he was back then if he played in today's game. So obviously still be great,

but do you think today's game is necessarily conducive to Larry's skills as a, like, high post hub, you know, mid-range block, attacker off the dribble. Yeah, he'd eat, because I think like you'd be able to use him in so many creative ways, especially as a passer

and as a hug. With all the motion today, too, all the cutters, his passing would be insane today. This is the worst take that we've seen so far. Yeah, I think he'd be amazing today. He'd average 10 assists a game, I think. I think he'd go down as a best passing power, best passing small forward of all time if you played today. Yeah, this is. He already might be that, but it would be consensus. Yeah, this is easily the worst take I've seen all day. I don't

see one single skill of Larry Bird not translating and not being, like, heightened dramatically. But to be fair, he said it wasn't as great. He was, like, the best back then. So maybe he wouldn't be the best by far today. But I don't think he would, he would translate very well today. He would be a top two player in my mind if you played today.

Peak Larry Bird, he would be top two. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, trying to, like, actually think about that, like, Janus and, like, how much things change over the years. I don't know. So maybe he wouldn't be the best player in the world. He's frying, Janus. Like, like, if they had, like, a playoff series and Janus was, like, trying to guard

which he wouldn't because yonnes don't yeah like he he would he would get fraud that in certain like like one-on-one situations and i'm just saying like if if we're talking about like small forwards or like 16 tweeters whatever like guys who have the ball there's not uh a lot of guys who can stop larry bird his scoring would still be as as dominant if you if you told him hey you can shoot more threes he'd he'd knock them down his passing would be great like he'd be just as good He's averaging like eight and nine assists per game, too, in this era. Yeah, 30 and nine every year. He'd be amazing today.

Kevin Durant, what's on here twice? NBA players that played in the 60s or later don't deserve to be in the top 20, no matter the accolades. Are we done with the 60s, no matter what? First of all, you wrote it incorrectly. Yeah, played in the 60s or later. Learn how to write. But like, no, the league is the league and you do have to put certain people in,

in top 20s like that's what history is about yeah i think if you're like if you're trying to do some weird objective thing where you're like who would win in the today's simulation yeah the players they are more talented but i think that's a weird way to look at history you have to look at what somebody did in their era what they did against their competition the only reality they played in and you can apply some caveats we're not going to put bill russell number one overall or anything but you do us with respect to some extent and and like i feel like everybody already does like if you really don't don't want to do that pick your guy from that era have them as the representative because everybody from the 60s it's like yeah bill russell you you cover everybody

you were the best at that time you're the only one who can who can cross this threshold yeah and so he's in the top 60 but also as we go along every generation every 10 and 15 years they're gonna put they're going to end up sliding their people higher to the front just because that's what you saw that's what you you grew up doing so i do think it is important if you are a historian of the game student of the game to put people, you know, that played before you, just go read a book or something. And then you can figure out what people were doing back then. Yeah.

I think you can use critical thinking to apply context a little bit, but to write it off entirely. Yeah, read a fucking book. Incredibly too harsh. Put down chat, GPT, and go pick up a history book. Please. Prime to Martin Rosen would be just as good as Jordan. Now, this is the worst take. Brother, shut up.

This is the worst take that gets commonly spewed a lot as being like fact. and people were like, yeah, man, that's Jordan's just tomorrow today. This is so stupid for so many reasons. Like, I don't even want to shit on Demar. People do not understand the nuances of why Jordan was good. They think he was just a mid-range shooter or something. Like, they think he was just like, they imagined what old man Kobe was. That's Jordan, like, for his whole career.

And he played so differently when he was younger. But people don't understand, even like whenever, because obviously the cop is always like, like Jordan and Kobe, they're the same. there is a legitimate gap even with young Kobe in terms of athleticism between Michael Jordan and young Kobe like Kobe Kobe is great because he's not one of the craziest athletes that you've ever said obviously he's a good athlete he's an NBA player whatever but Michael Jordan is one of the best athletes to ever play in the league to have that and the technical skill that he had yeah it's it's it's night and day were to plop

Demardo Rosen back in those Jordan teams, I don't think they're winning a singular ring. They're not winning a singular ring. Maybe they come, maybe they make it to the Eastern Conference finals, sure. That's the, yeah, that's the closest war. But yeah, you know, those teams would not be one of the best. I mean, this would be a good team because they still have Scottie Pippen who'd have a larger role and everybody else.

But, yeah, like, Jordan is. Can't even defend them. Yeah, exactly. Jordan is an amazing defender, one of the best offball players in a long time for his era. Amazing cutter can run in transition, do all. all the small stuff that isn't just on ball, shoot mid-range shots. Yeah.

And that's the last one. Actually, no, one more. Oh, last one. If you go strictly off of eye test, Russell Westbrook would be in the goat conversation. No. And this guy also says, eye test or look at statistics.

Russell Westwood would be in the goat conversation. No. So he just thinks Russ is the goat. No. I think a lot of people think this because triple double. And I think this is such like a formative thing that you hit a certain age

and you understand like how points your buttons assists work. And you're like, Oscar Roberts is the go Russ is the goat Nobody slapped his head I'm a little hard You're all right

And then you go a couple of years You miss him off Then you go a couple more years And you realize like oh shit It's not that simple There's a lot more nuanced Than just point through Metzacus

That's funny so I understand it now This is such like a 2015 conversation for me person I promise you It's peak 2018 conversation for me Because like when I was 12

But when I first found out about Walt Chamberlain stats, I was like, surely that's the best player of all time, right? Like, everyone goes to that phase and their development, and that's what this Russ conversation is. You got to read, bro. The general takeaway of this episode is read a book. But no, yeah, I mean, I get why people want to put him in like, it's not even just a goat thing.

That's like an extreme. But people say, like, one thing I see in TikTok comments, again, TikTok comments, it's young people commenting it, is that Russ has one of the best peaks of all time. that's a commonly regurgitated narrative. No. And it's because points rebounds assist

averaging triple double only two people ever done it so they think one of the two most impressive peaks of all time. And I get the sentiment. I understand why your brain goes there. You know, you know, why we think this

and you know whose fault it is? Who? It's LeBron's fault. Wait, why? Because had LeBron did it first, then everybody would have discredited it. And then like, Russ would have came along and then we would have been like,

man, we don't care about that. But LeBron left the door open. It's his fault. it's all it's always LeBongue and this other guy said I put in the same slide Russ is a top five point guard

of all time no I mean way better than Chris Paul Jason Kidd he's right below Curry Magic IT come on that's the

that's the best like if you're trying to create a standard or have like a benchmark for where you want to put Russ that's the best argument that he has

I don't believe it's true but that's he is better than that than like go argument yeah I guess so yeah

I understand the Russ high peak thing and I think like it's a great beat obviously like it isn't impressive no matter what to be this floor razor that can do a lot of things like yeah i talk about points rebounds assist being like an outdated like really like negligent way to talk about the game

but it doesn't mean nothing so like it is a great peak but yeah there's so much more nuance that goes into playing team basketball and actually contributing to winning you can go ahead and say he's one of the best floor raisers of all time at like top 12ish and i'm like sure we can't even say that at his position let me say that at his position maybe maybe but even then like people gas so much that one year where the team barely made the playoffs

like it's a great impressive year that's where we're leaving MVP it's not one of the greatest floor raising seasons of all time it's not like it's a prime yokech year

where they were contending or like top three winning 50 games the fans who are really in the weeds are not even talking about those years that's not about the year

when he was able to drag the wizards to the playoffs oh that's even worse yeah I don't know that stupid house run yeah

but yeah shout out Russ but people a lot of people commonly spew this is a common thing 2.