The Deep 3 Podcast - We Reacted To Your NBA Hot Takes! | TD3 Live

Episode Date: December 1, 2023

Today we react to fan NBA hot takes on the first week of TD3 live! A weekly live stream we'll do every monday on YouTube! Support the stream: https://streamlabs.com/thedeep3pod Follow us on twitter to join the PS5 giveaway: https://twitter.com/thedeep3podcast Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 ollow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We are here. First live stream ever in TD3 history. Here we go, man. Seeing the crayons all in the chat, perfect. You can spam them. We need crayons. Yeah. As soon as you get emoys, I'm making ones with crayons and a big-ass chomping emoji. Here you guys.

Big-ass chump emoji. It's crazy, man. Holy shit. Y'all be chomping on crayons like that? And the red ones, too. You know, that's their favorites. That's not for me, man. great oh what's up y'all like you said it's our first live we're here it's going to be it's going to be fun

it's going to be a little different than the regular episodes but same vibe just you know can be able to interact with you guys so i think it might be a little better we'll see yeah well i don't it's definitely like it's going to be interesting because there's like a whole bunch of times where we have to like cut and maybe like oh fact like edit it and this is going to be the most like raw and unfiltered so like listen whatever flies flies like it's going to be a much like I ain't going to lie. I've said a lot of terrible things on the podcast before. It's been edited out.

Donovan. A slick-ass mouth. There is no editing here. We had a hell of tech issues. I do hard cuts. Not today. It's going to be raw and unfiltered. It's going to be great.

Like I'll see in the title, the main topic of today is reacting to y'all's hot takes. I tweeted out and told you guys to reply. We got like 150 replies over there. So plenty of takes. Some of them are horrendous. Some of them are actually good and thought-provoking. So it'll be fun to go through them all. and see what you all think we're going to have you guys vote on whether a take is a

w take or l take it's not just going to be us yeah i've seen a couple in the chat already and listen they are getting pretty horrendous already there's going to be a lot of l takes handed out today i'm going to say that right now should we jump straight into the takes should we just go go go straight to that yeah let's let me pull this up yeah so as you guys see we're going to be able to right now we've got a couple little couple little uh Designs for you guys to see stuff on my screen. We're now you guys see the main thing on my handy stream deck Bam desktop. Look at that we're professional

This is great. So yeah, I'm gonna pull up the tweet We have these here Where is it at? BAM This is a threat I said 24 hours until the stream starts reply with their hot takes man. We got a bunch Let's just let's just jump straight you do them. We'll get something from chat too back real quick Yeah, we'll get something from chat to you but we'll go we'll go look by a little each one. Let's start with this one. This is an all reliable debate. Westbrook is better than CP3 all time from Ed. CP3's only achievement are being second MVP voting in 2008

and losing a 2-0 lead in the finals against Janus. If we're talking about point guard skills, I take CP, but as an all-time player, I think Russ is better and has done more. What do you guys think? I think that's fair. I don't like, I think this, this argument right here is the quintessential like greatest versus like more talented greatest versus like best and he's right like i think in terms of great greatness and like you know when you're playing like madden or two k whatever and you get like goat points and stuff like that russell wiltsville russle westbrook definitely has more goat points than cp3 in my opinion goat points okay what a way to put it yeah exactly when you think of let's stick to that word goat points i just know and

can rip off so many like wow this is what this is a career defining moment for westbrook like there's so many of those in the playoffs and regular season history all the clutch buckets that just hit this is i mean i can't really argue against that even though i think like you know i'm saying cp3 when it comes to individual players i think he's better yeah i've died on this hill several times on like every every basalt platform i've been on i feel this has been a top topic I've talked about. I'm taking CP3 very easily. This is better all time. If you're doing the go point thing, sure, Russ has a better career resume if you care that much about the MVP, which, you know, you should. It's a very, his specific MVP is a very impressive one that is

probably more impressive than anything CP3 has ever done. But for, in terms of who's a better player on the court, if I had one game, I had to win, one series I had to win, trying to win a championship. I'm taking Chris Paul every time without even thinking about it. I think we you talk about players that are easy to build around with other stars, which I think is the most important thing because to win a championship, you need multiple stars. Neither one of them can be the best play in your team. So they've got to be paired with another star, probably a wing creator, you know, a KD, LeBron, whatever.

CP3 fits with all those guys a million times better. So I'm easily picking him in every realistic scenario. And listen, I want to pick Russ so bad, but you can create a highlight tape of all the bad and miss shots down the stretch. of like clutch playoff games where he just hitting the side of the backboard before he was a laker like he was doing that stuff in okay see where like he's like there's 30 seconds left and he's coming down the court and you just know like Kevin Durant's never going to get this basketball like he's just not he's just not going to see it and russell westbrook is going to pull up from 35 feet

hit the hit the scoreboard hit the shot clock and everybody's just going to be like oh my god but guess what just like how you can pull up an insane low light reel of westbrook and all this terrible You're going to pull up a 20-minute long low-light reel of CP3 hamstring injuries and just the most unfortunate shit ever. Not even, not just injuries. You can pull up a choke reel of CP3 for a whole career's worth of choking incidents in the playoffs. So I'm not going to sit up here and act like he's just like playoff riser. He's not called Y Lennar. He's not out here being just like an assassin in the playoffs.

But I know a lot of that's contextual. Like you said, injuries, the Clippers years, they had crazy meltdowns that go beyond him. the raucous years very unfortunate injuries like all that put aside if I'm just talking about which players better at basketball who I want on my court to help me win a single game I don't see any reason to not pick CP3 yeah shout out Nikila aurora just donated $5 appreciate it I forgot we got to call them out look at that our first donation in the stream let's go we're getting right over here you know what it's like I'm gonna put uh five dollars that time I'm gonna put a pull in the chat right now cp3 over i mean russe over cp3 w or l start that poll and we'll see what

they think is it w take or l take and we'll let them decide because i think we're a little split on it no yeah it definitely depends on what context you want to apply to that conversation so you go either way in my opinion that's my prediction of the poll outcome let's see i'm voting w uh l take but that's me no i'm i'm gonna vote w i just want to skew it So far, it is running away. We're 200 votes in, 71% Russ. It looks like people are siding with Russ, and I get it. The MVP was memorable.

That single season is like one of the most enjoyable seasons of recent memory, especially for young kids that grew up watching that. It's like a formative year thing. Everybody loves Russ. And who rides for CP3 like that? He doesn't have stands. Yeah. I mean, he does.

Does it? I mean, but everybody's like... You can be on his channel. Every day is talking about some... Oh, Manuel Christopher Paul. Okay, Kenny's a CP3 fan. That's the only one I've ever met in my life. All right, man.

We're 375 votes in. It's a runaway. I'm going to end the poll. And it looks like W take wins. That is true. Listen, listen, I'm seeing a point in here from DRT music. Russ has that dog. And that's right.

Listen, Russ, if we're going pound for pound, just who has the most dog in them, Russ is easily top 10 all time in top 10 dog yeah he's a top 10 dog nice nice I had a question for you all so for these two NBA players Russ and CP if we deleted just Russell Westbrook from NBA history would the NBA change at all and if we deleted CP3 from NBA history wouldn't would it wouldn't would the NBA change at all basically what I'm asking is like who's had the greater impact in terms of basketball in general I I I Listen, you could kind of delete C.P. Both of them, to be honest with you, but to be a day.

No, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think that with, I think Russell Westbrook to the NBA is kind of like the dude who ran the four-minute mile and like broke that time barrier, then everybody else started doing it. Like obviously, obviously we've had like great like triple double masters in the league prior to Westbrook and everything and Oscar averaged everything. But after Russ averaged the triple double, it felt like everybody else in the league was like, oh, this is possible for me to just like get a triple double every night.

Like I feel like post, yeah, post Westbrook triple double, the amount of triple doubles that we've seen on a nightly basis. And obviously that like that matches up with just like the style of play changing and just the way that the game goes and you get more of these like heliocentric type offenses. but his point is actually like I feel like a defining moment in NBA history and I can see that he probably he's not the reason he leo-centric basketball has come about but I guarantee you the GMs and coaches that made that a thing

looked at him as a case and study in that 2017 season when he was like the phrase people like to say a lot is he had like one of the greatest floor raising seasons of all time people definitely took notice of that and that probably had some influence whatever however much it may be yeah and and everybody's looking at it's like if we can get somebody who's 5% more efficient than what westbrook is oh we can we can we can do something like we can actually if we can get some efficiency and give the best play on the four

so you're saying Russ's greatest influence is making people realize that if he can do this listen we get somebody it's like really good we can go crazy literally literally that's what that's what it is he let everybody know from players and GMs this style of basketball is something that's actually achievable. And it's not crazy to expect this from your best player on a night in, night out basis. And also, if we're not giving him a rookie de Monis a bonus and Victor O'Ladipo before he pops off, maybe they actually do something. Yeah. All right, let's move on. Let's move on the next take. It seems like I'm outvoted. Russ wins. Ooh, I can click on this guy's profile. Let's go on the next one. Expose him. Oh, this one I saw from Rudy St. Clair, a guy, assuming no more

injury surprises, Memphis can still make the Western Conference finals. Yeah, not money, that's good. That's good. Biggest prediction, bro. To be honest. You don't see any chance? Nah.

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spamming else sorry Rudy L take can't do it before you nobody has any faith in the grises anymore they're gonna be better when Jockeland's back they'll probably look like approximation of what you'd expect them to look like but I think even outside of his absence we've seen that Stephen Adams being gone Brandon Clark being gone Dylan Brooks being gone for nothing in return. Their depth has been depleted so much that what made them great even without draw in previous years, that's just not going to be their identity anymore. They're going to need their best three players to really produce. And Jaron Jackson is not producing, which I'll pull up this tweet.

Jared Jackson is only averaging 1.1 block and 5.3 rebounds per game over his last seven games. He's also shooting 30% from the field and 23% from 3, and Memphis is now 313. If this is Jared Jackson, I don't know. No, this is not Jerry Jackson. is literally what happens when you take a role player and expecting to become a star a complimentary piece a role player yeah he's a role player he's a fucking great role player you know what i'm saying i would say jermont someone like jermont green's a role player too he's a star in exactly what he's he's expected to do yes the second you ask him to do 10 percent 20 percent more

than the whole product is finished what do y'all think japp i'm gonna run a poll with that because that's that's interesting is jaron a role player okay so it so here's the real question off of that is that is there any defensive focus player that can be a star that's not like a role player yeah i mean okay well obviously we'll talk about ruda bear in a second i think bam out of bio is defensive focus he's not a role player everyone likes to shit on anthony davis and here's his offensive inconsistencies and his lack of creation ability compared to the other best bigs in the league he's clearly a defensive focused star than at that break if nobody respects his offense but he's also a great scores maybe that's not a

not fair yeah yeah like he average you ever over 25 points per game like yeah that that's different different conversation bam also like is averaging what 1820 i i just think like it's very easy maybe role player is too strong maybe role player is too strong of a title to place on it he's not that sorry darren jackson junior for disrespecting you he dropped like 40 ball a 40 ball in his rookie year against the nets everybody remembers he's rookie year that's what we're listen we can't go back to rookie year I mean he's averaging currently 19 points 6.1 rebounds 1.9 assists oh my god he's never averaged more than two assists in his career

last year 18.6 this year 19.4 is that enough of a scoring punch and a go-to option that it qualifies him as not being a role player or does that even matter in his conversations I guess not I feel like role player also matters about like your situation so like for so like for the grislies he's not a role player he's he is he is he is their second most important piece and he's going to be their star and they're going to they're just going to need him to do what he does best which is be d p oi and i guess get 18 19 points per game yeah i think he's going to not be a role player yeah d p o i shoot three and do sometimes shit off shit on the ball because he's actually good at that so he's good at definitely he's a surprisingly

good handle he doesn't know how to do a whole lot with it besides attacking closeouts but he can put the ball on the floor a little bit he's not just like straight postage yeah and i think that's perfectly fine, you know? Everyone has stealing straight. All right, so at first, this poll was 51% yes, Jared's role player. It shifted to the 51% no, so it looks like we swayed people. Shout out Jared Jackson and not being a role player according to the deep three YouTube chat. Round of applause.

I hope not. D. P.O.I. Anche said tell, or Ansch, I don't know what I say his name, said tell Isaac to show his LeBron Shrine. Oh, I know he has it. Oh, man. In order for Isaac to show that LeBron's shrine, we're going to have to get this stream to like a thousand likes

just a while a brunch right yeah yeah thousand likes and we're revealing we'll start revealing a whole lot i don't think it's ready i don't think it's camera i got to put together a shrine i guess let me go run the other side of the room right as we wanted the next take this guy the in-season tournament will be far more entertaining than the all-star game i feel like that's like obviously correct right i mean it is it's the new thing it's the new thing you know, like I think so far, depending on what expectations and standards you've put on it, in my opinion, is getting new people to be like, oh, what's that? And it gets me to pay for a few seconds. I think it's done its job. It is entertaining because you see a bunch of players

like Jason Tatum and whoever else, like I'm playing, oh, why are you trying to score points? I like to respect my teammates at the end of the game. It's interesting and it's fun. And it's like, it's not meant for, you know, I'm saying the top echelon teams to go ahead and go every single night but like it's meant for everyone too i think so yeah but it loki is though like it's the the tournament games are baked into the regular season so there is there should be some like baseline of oh like we still care about these games because they are going to count towards your final regular season standings right so like you still have to go out there and try and do everything that it's not like not like the fancy courts come out and jason tannum's like okay like this doesn't really matter like

If you have to play, like, it's a real game. I think this is obviously a W-take just because who gives a shit about the All-Star game these days? We're going back to conferences, but, like, it was cool the first year they shifted to the draft, but it's completely falling off. And, like, there's such little interest and intensity that I would have to give it to the play in, I mean, to the in-season tournament just because it's not the All-Star game. The All-Star game is so in the trenches right now. Adam Silver was on JJ Redis podcast, trying to see what players are, trying to see how players are feeling about

the all-star game and why I was so not competitive or whatever this dude listened to cp3 and he was like oh yeah all-star game is not cool because we are watching whoever the hell stand up on stage and perform a concert that threw me off my rhythm my my 15-second 15-minute stretching rhythm no one cares y'all just don't like to play that hard and that's okay it's the it's meaningless game no one's going hard and it's hard to fix that for a couple years we had it with a draft because a new thing now that allures ran out i think the austral game might just be cooked when they have king of the court or one v one v one basketball then we'll start talking about the awesome that's when it'll be true that's a shame that it really is a shame that the all

all-star weekend has been like diluted into really like two things into the three-point shooting contest and the after parties that everybody knows is happening but nobody wants to talk about because you can't blow up the spot but like those are the two things that comes out of all-star weekend because the game doesn't matter the dunk contest sucks no way the skills challenge sucks now too they they took away the shooting stars challenge i think they brought it back but everything's just weird nobody's like it just doesn't feel fresh it doesn't feel interesting anymore so it's like yeah why why do i care yeah right let's pull up another one here's one fun one actually rock clicked the wrong to me that's not a

fun one this guy said kevin garnett over dirk kg is definitely a better passenger rebounder while dirk is a better score, I'd argue he's only marginally better than KD in his scoring stats. And since Dirk is only a marginally better score than KG, despite not being the number one option, I think KG over Dirk. Where do you all stand on this power forward debate? I forgot where I don't want to go back because I feel like this is a very like close like conversation for me and I forgot where I put them in my all-time rankings. So why shout out M dunk 06 donating $10.

Appreciate you, man. Oh my God. One at a time Let's do it It's all straight to most pockets It's all for him And what were you saying Donovan It's not a bad take though

Like if we're just We're just ranking Rating the hot takes and just reacting If you feel that way I'm not going to be upset at you Because both of them Like KG defensively Is one of just like

The Wizards of NBA history Just his versatility And being able to lock down And carry a defense in that way is ridiculous so I mean I don't I don't hate it it's not bad I think it's absolutely W I'm for the reasons he outlined I'm picking KG easily I think we when you weigh together their offenses Dirk like you said obviously the better score one of the best big man scores of all time the if you played today with the way we understand shooting gratitude from

big men he'd be even greater offensively as a score but KG's passing was real and that's another thing that if you play today would be fully unlocked him as a short role passer would be used way more. He'd be top five in the NBA today. Oh, easily. Like, you see this year, Joel Embed is being used as a picker as a dribble handoff hub at the top of the arc with Nick Nurse being his coach. And it's completely unlocking his passing ability.

He's able to do so much more as a playmaker. You put KG in those type of scenarios. He's going to be diming. He's legitimately great at that. And he'd probably be, what, the best defender in the league today, pretty easily. Yeah. Well, him not say easily. Yonis, AD, and them exist, but.

Bam, let's not forget about him, of course. Okay, I'm not putting Bam and Kevin Garnett conversations defensively. And this season is eating right now. That's what I'm talking about, man. Okay. Well, yeah, I'm going, KG. Where are you going, well? Man.

Honestly, if I am a GM and I'm picking a 20-year-old KG versus a 20-year-old Dirk, I believe it's easier to build your team around someone like Dirk because of certain deficiencies. My bad. Like KG, it's easier to build a team around KG because of deficiencies that Dirk has. and I think the ceiling of my offense and defense will be a lot higher. Thus, in my brain, I'm going to be like, yo, or KG is the better player. Let me get him on my team.

Pretty simple decision in my opinion. Sounds like a clean sweep. The chat has 57% W-take. So W-take it is. Okay. I wish I could see this W-Tick animation I put on the screen right now. The chat sees it. You guys are just like.

I see it on the second stream. It's hard to say. I have to wait a couple seconds. That's great, man. Let's me want the next one. Next thing we got, we're rolling. Marcus Smart is better than Julie's Randall. We're not going to talk about that one,

but that's just a hilarious take because who's ever compared those players? That's like the weirdest thing to compare ever. You must have some type of vendetta against Julius Randall. Don't you ain't slick. This is you. This is you. Oh, this is funny.

I wouldn't either confirm nor deny. This is great. continue Jimmy Butler has the highest gap between regular season and postseason level of play so he's saying he's the biggest playoff riser of all time and James Hardin has the same gap but negatively so Jimmy Butler's a W take that's true that's what it is that's what it is James so Jimmy Butler is the greatest playoff riser and James Hardin's the biggest playoff choker of all time that's hilarious to compare him and say like they're the same thing but inverse

Yeah That's great Mo's over here struggling Get his lights on Yeah My weight went ahead And there we go

We're back Hey we're back We can see you again I thought my power Got off Don't Sorry Sorry

Yeah this is great Some of the B ball in the chat said Hardest Gap is way bigger Wait Buddy Buddy

I need you to know What you're typing out here Okay Need you to be cogniz Of the words you're saying Yeah, this is not really hot to go. That one's pretty well accepted.

Let's have won another one. Yeah, we all hate on Hardin. This is a very anti-hearted podcast. While you're finding another one, real quick message, we need at least 500 likes on the stream right now. We're currently at 418. I see you guys watching this cool kid, David, Mercy, Donald.

What are y'all doing? Like the goddamn stream. That ain't weird, man. Max, I'm looking at these names. I see MR. Commenting pause a bunch of times. times like the stream mr pause max game w take like the stream pancake productions like the fucking stream it's a hard ass name i know it is oh there's another one from m r just got

spanned a bunch so we're going to keep looking at his because they're good ben simmons is the biggest disappointment in NBA history damn it's an oh I actually think about it okay so obviously like Len bias died so that doesn't count that's not his fault exactly so I'm saying that isn't count we're not going to like hold stuff like that and like I guess you can do like a Greg Oden people who like immediately flopped he had high expectations yeah but the reason Ben Simmons has an argument is because he was great and then he wasn't and like he was so great so fast that it looked like he could be like who knows how great right people were like are we watching like LeBron V2 but die at LeBron so the fact that we got a taste of it

pause and then immediately collapsed it gives it an argument okay i don't know me personally no because i've always had doubts about his game and how limiting he can be and then also if you were in the high school scouting trenches in college trenches or whatever there was there's plenty plenty reports attacking his character and this isn't the first time that it's happened for any young NBA player whatsoever but a lot of those things looked like the hell to be true and they showed it showed to be true back in the 2021 playoffs when all that stuff happened and he was holding out and all that stuff. But I don't want to say that he's the biggest disappointment or bust ever. I think you would only feel that way if he genuinely

thought that he could be the next Magic Johnson. Hey, I'm not saying I thought Magic Johnson. Stop playing with me, man. There's a wrap back there. But listen, I didn't think he'd be Magic Johnson. I would never say those words out loud. It's nuts. But did I think he could be like a Hall of Famer? Like, did I think he be the best player in the world in 2018? Yes. I thought he could be that level of greatness. I saw him as a rookie and was like, he might be the next great.

Like, I was on board with him the same way. I was on board with Luca year one. I'll say that. Clearly, clearly nobody remembers the Jalil Okapurh pick of 2015. People were talking about Jalil Alcalfour, like he was going to come in and drop step people to 20 and 10 instantly. This man was He was not good

I'm trying to be nice I'm trying to be nice Yeah Honestly the real answer is Greg Oden Honestly In terms of hype I think it's him Like people are calling

To Anthony Bennett Nobody ever thought Anthony Bennett Would be a star He wasn't supposed to be number one Yeah it was a surprise There's that iconic clip Of Bill Simmons being like Whoa when he got picked

Because like nobody projected him being one Yeah Listen Markial Fultz Loki has a real case because the fact that like he came in and instantly everything went haywire and we for real for him never got to see anything from him his whole shot changed the confidence was shot i think that i think he has a bigger case for like biggest disappointment ever that's interesting too because when you think about they already had a joel and bead they already had ben simmons a solid core around that and they got to add markel folds for sixers fans

I was like, oh my God, are we about to beat the next super team? So even though maybe people didn't think Fultz would be better than they thought Ben Simmons would be, the fact that they were adding him was crazy expectations. Like people thought that was going to be like the team to beat for the next decade. Yeah, but I would say, I would disagree with that solely because personally, I don't think that he ever had the next all-time great staple around or circulating X's name. For sure, people thought he was going to be the next combo guard, you know, not the next. He was going to be the next James Harden,

but he had some of those shades into his game. People call him, damn. Yeah, like, but that's not like all-time status in my idea. So I would more so lean towards Ben-Sims for that, even though I don't think Ben-Sim is the answer. Listen, if Wembe was to be out here and if I'll be out here was supposed to, was going to. Don't give me started.

Boris D. Al for the rest of his career, then I'll be like, yeah, yeah, if Wemby busts, definitely be the biggest bust ever, but I find it hard to believe. he's going to bust impossible well listen pop still if he keeps playing jeremy sohan at point guard he's going to ruin my son's uh he going to ruin his career yeah listen we don't even know we don't got to get into that that's a whole other thing no man pop pop pop provis that let me talk to you real quick you need to you need to smart enough you've been in this game for two decades

plus i know that you know that you know that you know that jeremy sohan should not be playing point guard right now for you need to figure this out because you have a generational guy and you're messing up his career. And I don't like it. You look at him as I'm pop myself. I don't do anything about it. Shit.

I'm just like you watching the game. I feel like you're... It's frustrating. It's frustrating. I'm trying to see greatness. Tell us what. Tell us the problem with Jeremy Sotomay had a point card. Bro, I have to be...

Listen, I wish I had this... I wish I had this play immediately. But there was a play in one of the... One of their most recent games where it's Sohan on a fast break and he's coming down. down and Wemby's trailing. All you have to do is throw it into any type of vicinity

into the 75 guy with an 8 foot wingspan, and it's an easy lob. Meanwhile, Sohan kicks it out to the corner to Trey Jones and fills the lane, brings another defender there. And Trey Jones, who is, you know, actually a point guard, he is smart enough to say like, okay, no, let me actually take two dribbles in and throw the lob. And there's so many missed opportunities from Sohan

and from the Spurs at large, where they are missing Wembe as a rim runner. And for somebody who is 7-5, who has the vertical catch radius that he has, there's six to eight easy points every single night if you just close your eyes and throw it up to the rim. And they are limiting his potential as a rim runner. And to keep him and to keep a majority of his offensive game,

perimeter-based, when you can keep him down low, not even doing post-up stuff, but getting offensive rebounds, getting those lobs and stuff like that, you can make the game so much easier and they're not doing it. And so as soon as you get an actual point guard or not even a point guard,

just not Jeremy Sohan. As long as you can get somebody to understand, I'm done with the experiment. We're 17 games in, the 3 and 14. Like there's nothing else to see, right? There's nothing else to see from the Spurs. See, the issue in this, with this is that you're focused on,

I'm focused on his of the basketball. You need to be focused on the X's and O's of the lottery balls. I don't give it any. Jeremy Sohan continue to wreck this franchise for this season. No, you can't, you can't do that.

You already have, in, look, in football, there's like, there's like the concept, right? When you know, when you have a rookie quarterback and you know that he's great, your window to win a Super Bowl to win a championship and start being competitive is now because you have,

have a supreme advantage having the most important position on the field on that little cost for the spurs right now you have wemby on a rookie deal before you have to pay him the supermax before he starts getting into right all-star r nba dpo i that type stuff now is not the time to be losing and and start creating bad and winning have or bad and losing habits for that franchise you need to start being good right now or else you're going to get into to the situation that the maz are in and look up one day and you're like you've been trying to tank this whole time you're five years in and you have nobody you have nobody around wemby and then the the rumbles start happening like all you see you're going to go i disagree with that

right there let's start bringing up the masks the maz were in a different situation because luka was already like a top 30 player just about when he stepped into the scene into the league and they had no choice but to be like a mid-team as a rookie for the san antonio spurs although with how great Wembe is he's not the best rookie even he's not the best rookie this season because of Chet why not you know what I'm saying why not so why not why not what I'm saying why is Wembe not better than than Chet because not a play next to Shay Jada that helps uh Isaiah Joe exactly and I'm saying like the situation obviously matters chat is in a he's in a much better situation but even then even though that the

thunder situation is much better. If you can get what, a 10, 15% increase on what they are getting from the point guard position and unlock an entire skill set of what the 7-5 dude can do

and you can get him eight more points. If Wembe, who's averaging like 16 points or, I actually don't know, but it's probably like 16 to 17. Something around there. You can add six points to that and make him a 20 point per game score simply off a lob and offensive rebounds.

We are having a much different conversation. You see, people don't even want to go up for layups because he and his wingspan dominates the whole paint. You saw Steph Curry the other night right there at the rim against anybody else. He was like, hell no. Again, against anybody else, right?

He's going to, he's going to throw his backside into somebody, try to get the foul, turned around, kicks that ball out. They got to get rid of this. And I'm, listen, Wembe's my guy, right? I'm ranting all this Get him some help now Yeah you're ranting

Next hot take of this Next hot take Yeah you're right though It's a disservice to him Let's move on at the next hot take What we got here After Ben Simmons Ooh

Spicy one Slade Donovan I don't say something crazy Tyree's Helleberton has passed Dame and is a top three point guard in the league behind Luca and Steph playing Luca and Steph

Tyrese has clearly been better than Dame so far this season Dame starts every season slow I don't know if he doesn't touch a basketball all summer or what This is just what he does Every season he starts off shooting like 32% and 3 I think it's back into being Dame Have you seen enough to make you think that By the time the end of the season comes

That Tyrese is going to be a better player I feel like you cannot make that judgment yet Until the playoffs start Like of course you don't see If Dean was to fall off a cliff which he hasn't he's been actually hooping his ass off over the last what five six seven games you know what I'm saying then that's that's a different story but as of right now I'm not ready to commit to that just yet now it's hard because Tyrese is averaging like

25 and his efficiency's been crazy right insane he's leading the best one of the best offenses in NBA with no other all-star around him you know so their style of play his efficiency see he's i said in the last episode of the pod he is this eras point god took that title from trey young because he's been playing like julian newman at the start of the season so right now trey never had it so you think trade young had that title huh i think he had the title of the point of point being point god yeah for sure this made a fast title yeah yeah listen 25 points per game 12 assists 3.9 uh rebounds 45% from three which is you know probably be a little unsustainable, but every year of his query, he's been at 40%, so even if it drops

a little bit, still elite, elite, elite, he's been incredible. Like, well, there's no argument for Dame being better so far this year, right? No. This year, no. Like, it's, hell no. Do you think that by the time, so what's your opinion on Dan, the way he's looked? Do you think he's going to bounce back, or do you think he's just lost a step or what? Donovan, what do you think?

It feels like, I think he's going to bounce back. we are what 15 16 games into a new season he didn't he didn't have like a long training camp with them if i yeah i can't i can't remember when he got traded but i think i think he's going to bounce back i got a little bit before media day i think yeah so it wasn't it wasn't a long time to get acclimated they have a new system that they're running he's in a new situation he's trying to figure out how to play off yannis who is arguably the best play in the game i i i i i i i you can you can you can you can right he will be he will be fine but I don't think he will be better than Tyrese so I think Tyrese has already shown enough to be to be to be

crowned better that's too hot that's tough I don't know if I can go that far I love Tyrese as much as anybody but what we know is possible when Dame becomes Dame listen if dame still looks like this in February then we'll talk but because he has the repeated pattern for the last like four years of shooting like shit to start the year and then coming around and being like oh shit is he like actually the best offensive player in the league if we always had these conversations late in the year like do we forget how good dame is if he unless he doesn't i'm going to assume he does that until he doesn't and if that's going to be the case he's probably still better than terese but i'm also

doing a lot of hoping that he's not just like worse now we're asking dame who is coming off of another year of injury who is another year older to once again bounce back towards the end of the season. I think that Tyrese, who last year before his injury, like we, we set on the pod earlier, he had them as a top four seed. And the only thing that cut the Pacers run short last year was Tyrese getting hurt. And now he's back. He's playing at a much higher level than he was even last year. And they're hooping. And they're winning, they're winning these crazy games. I think that Tyrese, I think it's okay to go ahead and take that step and say that he's that he's better than name.

Interesting you say that because the chat agrees 60% of people will say Tyrese is better than Dame so we're giving that one a W take that's crazy that's crazy

for this season right now as of November 27th for sure but you know what I'm saying looking back at this five months from now this will look like a real crayon eaterish take if you ask yeah

I'm not wrong with that too yeah I'm not willing to write off Dame yet but I also honestly even like outside of me giving Dame credit for being who he has been for a decade. It wouldn't be that shocking. If Tyrese, this is the year he made the league

to be in, like, a top 10 player, it wouldn't be crazy. Damn, what do you better, you're also saying he's a better, you'd rather have him, or you'd rather have Shea over him? Hmm, interesting. Where does Shea come into this?

You just made, what? I don't mean, there's, if. Well, I mean, you said top, you said point guard, so that means you're not going to Shay behind him, too. So it's like. Oh, that's an interesting one. Yeah.

I'm not ready to have that debate. I gotta think about it. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. Next take from Taco Frog 88. Al Perensangoon will be a top 10, top seven center by the day of this year. Oh, that's, I think that's a good take.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Let's listen. Let's listen. Let's listen. Yokech. Yokech. Embed.

Mbeed. Anthony Davis. Bam. Bam out of bio. Sabonis. Yeah, I think it's a similar mold, so you got to give to Sabonis. For sure. go bear yes oh look at you character development i like it

cat are we he's a four okay but he's a four because they start two fives because they're yeah he's a five he's a five are we taking this is this is the line this is the line right now it's it's brook cat sangoon okay brook cat sangoon Start bench cut Start bench cut Brooke Kat Sangu That's a crazy list of names

Okay I I'm gonna cut Brooke Lopez I think Ouch I feel like it's easiest To say he's third there Doesn't have

He's a great We're talking about role players He's one of the best role players In the league to have In terms of fitting with stars Having a stretch 5 That can be one of the best Reporters in the league

And rain that bitch from 3 Incredible It's not talked to all right now but he's he has he's averaging three blocks so far the season gets a career damn jesus but if i'm comparing him to two people who can be more of a centerpieces in terms of conversation of who's a better player look i gotta lean the guys that can carry a little more of a load at this point of their careers he's kind of old yeah yeah so cutting brook i guess we're gonna start cat gotta give him the credit and bench san goon he's been hooping i

listen cat's been hooping yeah he has i i'm gonna give him his credit right he's doing his thing they're winning hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on is sangoon better than chet oh that's a real conversation to have chat has been incredible chat has been incredible this year no he's not he's not he's not you're not better than chat yeah chet homegrown right now he's a top three right man of 2023 so Last performance Let's compare their stats Let's talk about it

Let's compare Yeah I think Chet's rim protection Is absolutely insane And it's just on a different level His value is ridiculous Yeah It's like a lot of the playmaking

That Sangoon brings Chet brings that too But on a little bit On a lower scale for sure But he brings it in like More valuable ways He's, like, in transition, and when it comes to his picking pop game, I think he's obviously a better shooter than Sangun.

So, and then you talk about the defense, too. Yeah, San Gung is a shooter, but I think Chet's, like, in a different, he's a different level of shooter, you know? Okay, we've got the comparison pulled up. Similar, you know, they both played 14 games and 16 games. Sanguon's averaging 20, Chats at 18. Singoon's at 9 rebounds, Chats at 8. 5.6 assists for Sengun, 2.5 for Chet.

But then they both average the same steals. Chet triples him in blocks And we talk a lot about Chet's efficiency Philical percentage is similar Oh actually never mind It's because Chet takes a lot of threes

And he's hitting 43% of threes Takes four threes a game, bro That's a lot 64% effective philosophical percentage Hey, it might have to be Chet bro, I can't lie I love Singoo, he's even great I'm taking shit

Yeah let's change the poll in the chat to Chet versus Sanguangu Because this is a take that I'm interested in Yeah Yeah Tets is almost a better shooter to chets our sangu's shooting 32% from three so far this season and only 63% from the line oh we forgot like a 70% shooter we forgot do we classify porzingis as the center

for sure really this year yeah 100% yeah okay we taking shangooner or poor zingis oh sangooner ah that's a tough one he listen listen they came in with the hot take saying that saying that that shangoon is top seven is he going to make the top 10 right like yes yes yes he's in top 10 he's at 10 okay list all the ones we were at so far we had yokech and bead ad bam subonis go bear cat and then chet and so now we have sangoon or poor zingas uh that is tough i kind of want to lose sangoon i want to give him the credit but also tingis pingu is pretty fucking good especially in that system over there highlighting

all of the strengths if you were the Celtics who would you rather have in that team construction I would rather have I don't think that's a hard question though because their team is tailored perfectly 100% that's what's an ass and then flip it but if you're the Rockets who would rather have if you're the Rockets you'd rather have someone like Sangoon

because Jabari Jabari Smith is too similar of a mold of a player as Chris South Virginia as I would say person but if you're starting a brand new organization let's say isaac you have a team in seattle oh new expansion team which player are you picking if they're still on the board oh me sangoon obviously if it's a new team that like no age is a part of that injury history

just yeah mostly that the stages of their careers and their development i feel like you have to go singoon in that right yeah but that doesn't that that's that isn't just me who's better now though that's like projecting towards the future okay this guy's spam in a comment hot take camp thomas is the most underrated player in league I don't know can't thomas is hard to gauge these days cam thomas cam thomas has become the guy that everybody is going to be like man real hoopers know about cam thomas if you're a camp thomas fan i know you hoop for real he's a bucket and it's like okay yeah i see you say that and i get that but also he's averaging fucking 27 points

for game on 53% effective. No, he's hooping. He's hooping. Also, he's just good. He's hoopin. But underrated, like, nah. I don't think that. Yeah, I feel like everybody recognizes how good he is and how good he could be if he

got the run. And he was for the first eight games this year. So I'd be saying he's properly rated now. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair to say. Probably rated right now. It's heard of say.

And then that's been actually good. They haven't, like, lost his steps since he's been out. So it's like. All right. That'll take. Sorry, man. Cam Thomas is probably rated. No longer underrated. Sucks to Suck.

Speaking of Sucks to Suck, real quickly, Donovan, you said there was a national Asterclass going on right now. Oh, yeah. Let me check in. The generational ads. Heard they don't know about this. Not the ass and strip clubs. The Washington Wizards and the Detroit Pistons.

Both of them are 2 and 14. The Wizards have lost nine games in a row. The Pistons have lost 13 games in a row. and right now the Wizards are up 89 to 80 with about a minute left in the third quarter. Do we think that the Pistons can pull this game out or will they lose their 14th straight game? Now, real quick, Isaac,

what are we thinking? Kyle Kuzma is leading the game with 20 points and Cady Cunningham is leading it for the Pistons with 18 points. Jordan Poole, 10 points, 3 for 9, regular Jordan pool things. Shitter! but start talking to the soupin though too yeah listen

toilet bowl this is the battle of the bastards this is the tankathon supreme what you call pooh-poo platter servers terrible game

but I didn't watch second of it because we've been on stream it's definitely interesting because it looks like the pistons are going to lose they're down by nine and we knew the Wizards be trashed that was kind of like the point of their season first year rebuilding star their team

is jordan pool it was never going to go well they didn't expect it to go well wizard's fans didn't expect it to be expected but the pistons people thought they'd be good they were trying to win games so this is embarrassing listen money williams start to look like listen fraud that whole organization we can see we can we can we can assess that more accurately next year. However, if he goes to Detroit and somehow makes the vibes worse than what they already were, conversations will be happy. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. There's no way that you can go into that situation and be worse than what you were last year. And that's kind of wild. At least he's starting Jaden Ivy now. Didn't help. We got what we wanted and we see

Ivy in Cunningham because for the start of the season we were all like, why the fuck are you starting killing Hayes over your top five pick from last year and eventually he listened because they were horrific and listen jaden ivy's at 23 minutes right now killing Hayes is at 14 for a reason killing his 0 for 1 from the field jaden ivy's 4 for 8 doesn't matter you're still going to lose the wizard so that begs the question can anything fix his team or they just screwed as long as they're starting two centers a non-shooting point guard a non-shooting small forward and kate cutting him yeah they kind of cooked they are they are kind of

cooked I don't they're they're playing for lottery balls at this point yeah they're playing for ping pong balls Isaiah Stewart's one for six from three God why is you as a team being led from three point volume by Isaiah Stewart yeah you can't because you said it

because they have a non-trient three two centers like the ridiculous team construction yeah this is atrocious you can't do Nothing but feel bad for Pitsons fans, man. As soon as they blended the number one overall pick, everyone thought this is going to be the finally

the turn of one of the most mid-organizations over the last few years. But no, things are not even worse. Every bulls is in the trenches. In 2006, this roster, oh, they're cooking. Extra big, no-shooting. They're not even that big, though.

Isaiah Stewart doesn't even play with that much force. that's the word I mean the real problems are waiting for Boyon McDonald's to come back and he should slot into that four spot and ideally be exactly what they need but he's not for a long time like he's just a missing key

yeah he's just the fucking the piece they answer alright man this one of the next hot take what are we got next on this feed scroll down oh warriors finish with the top four seed not that hot are definitely going to make the playoffs i agree not that hot i think the hip clippers and heat need to blow

it up i think we all think that clippers okay here's a good one more guards need to have consideration in dpo i voting the award is too heavily favored towards front court players and they win it too often how do y'all feel i disagree with that i think the most important defensive position or defensive yeah position in the game is center if you look at it historically when it comes to what type of teams win champions and stuff like that their backline defense is almost always elite if not elite they're at barrenum subpar and if things were vice versa you know what i'm saying like the easiest game in the shot the easiest shot in the game is a layup and you need someone who can deflet those or at least

cause some type of havoc you know i'm saying so a guard can only take you so many places on defense yeah i agree i think if anything i think guards are getting too in terms terms of like conversation and discourse cards are getting too much credit defensively if anything I think people see that begs get it and they hear this is a point guards league as like a saying that people said for a few years which nobody really says anymore and people thought like a perimeter the game is so perimeter oriented why aren't we given these guys DPO-wise every year but listen they shouldn't no matter how good you are defensively Marcus Smart just

want it you can only do so much where you're getting screened off of a play someone like Drew Holiday is fantastic at fighting through screens So there's definitely a ton of value there, but there's way more value when you can be a big man that can block every shot at the rim and help at every single attempt at the rim, given, you know, that you're in defensive position. But, like, there's just so many more plays you can affect

as a helper, which is a majority of the plays rather than the ones where your guy has a ball in his hands. Yeah, it's a simple math game. Most shots in the NBA and just basketball in general was taken at the rim. You need the most impactful position to be good there, point blank, period. Yeah.

All right, let's, so we agree. We only got to pull one. I'll take clear I'll take let's shift to the chat let's get some of the some of the hot takes from chat we've been doing a lot of stuff from Twitter I'm going to shift to this angle and we're going to get our takes from chat for right now oh there okay so real quick I have a chat I have a hot take that I saved in my mind someone said 2018 LeBron is greater than 2013 LeBron what do you all that's wrong 2018 LeBron is greater than 2013 it's not 20 listen We can do everything. We can say everything we want.

We can pull up all the other video, all the highlights. I don't care. 2013 LeBron is one of the three greatest players we've ever seen on a basketball four. Three. Yeah. Listen, I'm giving space. But, like, that is one of the best basketball players we've ever seen in terms of, like,

complete packages, doing it efficiently, winning everything that you'd want from a superstar. 2013 brunt is it okay well i'm running the poll right now let's see what people say i i don't think it's as easy as you're saying i get why you're saying that 20 you know it's peak athleticism peak defensive skill which i think people underrate he was a goon defensively then the conversation would be a lot different if he didn't get his defensive player of the year stolen by marcosal but there's something to be said about how genius of a player he was in his older years in 2018 he still had enough athleticism it's almost like we always say that like 96 Jordan was the best one

there's debate in people that like maybe it's 92 88 whatever but you know people there's definitely a lot of value to being an older player and having that cerebral approach and just being especially when you're 2018 LeBron when you're like the smartest player you've ever seen I think there's an argument for 2018 I don't think it's as easy as you're saying I don't I don't think

Game 2 of the greatest scores in history that's when his bag was the absolute deepest shot was working like shit and of course he still hasn't He didn't lose a step at all, and the only real thing on that, like Isaac alluded to earlier, was his defense was not like that. So, I'm still leaning towards 2013 for sure, but 2018 was a joy to watch. Yeah. So if you, okay, put it this way, both teams even, everybody's the same, and you had to put one on each other team, would you pick the team that has 2013 LeBron to beat the 2018 LeBron team?

Yes, yes, I would. Okay. Yes, I would. It's tough. I probably, I agree in the day. I'll probably, I'll roll with y'all. And the chat, 62% are saying 2013, so we got a, we got to L take it. But I think it's close.

Nah, no, listen, obviously you can only play who's in front of you. They was playing Victor Oladip on the Pacers, and then they were playing Kyle Lauer and then they were playing Kyle Lari and DeMortarosen. And it's like, yo, they're not doing anything. They're not scaring me. Yeah, but, you know what I'm saying? he had George Hill on his team and fucking Kyle Corver, Kevin Love was averaging this move 18 points per game trying to be, you know what I'm saying, the second star. So it's like he didn't really have much.

So even though like, you know, I'm saying you got to play the team in front of you, the team beside him was pretty bleak as well. So seeing what he did back then is generation. It's a major accomplishment. And that entire season was great. First time he played 82 games in the season like, well, he's. he was able to do at that stage of his career with that team around him was amazing but one for one that 2013 is just a better player no i get that yeah again the defensive gap in athleticism

like and it's not like we talk about 2018 lebron and so he's been this like genius it's not like 2013 the brougham was like some dunce just running dunk man he was also a basketball genius then too so that's fair i respect it let's see chat's going crazy y'all keep spamming your hot takes we're going to start taking them from chat so spam them up the more you comment the more chance i pick yours so let's keep going hawks can win a chip with trey young is the MVP from atlanta falcon fan i'm not even listening to you man you know nothing about good sports leave me in deep dvoh man god damn oh man we got another donation from mr dunk oh six he said who is better shea or tyrese first off thank you for the ten dollars so i guess now we've got to have this debate we're

trying to avoid because he wanted to tip us so So Shay or Tyrese, who are you taking? I need $5 more for my answer. I don't want to do this, man. Okay, the answer is still Shea. I think we have to give it to Shea until we see more for a body at work from Tyrese. He's still a 30 point per game score. This year, Shay is getting less free throw attempts.

You know, people last year, people were crying like they do for every highest volume score. They get a lot of free throws saying he's a merchant. Hasn't been this year, and he's been averaging the same amount. because he's been a bucket for mid-range. And his passing doesn't touch Tyrese's at all. But, you know, not at night even close. But he's a good enough playmaker. Like, in the system they have,

he's not a bad passer by any means. And he's a way better defender than Tyrese. That's like, that's what decides for me because Tyrese is a shit defender. Yeah, exactly. Thank you for answering for me. Because I don't want to do between those two. That's harder.

Yeah, I mean, the cop-out is like, it's SGA for now. And we'll see when Tyrese gets more have a chance to do this for a whole year because he is shooting 45% from three which is crazy so who knows if you can keep doing that yeah we're gonna pull though we'll see yeah it's it's so it's so hard and honestly this should be like damn near a 48 52 type result from the poll if not then a lot of y'all are just straight up wrong because it's a lot of closer than you think but i think for me personally in a playoff setting i might value a player like shay because

because I can't imagine. What do you see? Mr. Dunk donated another $5. He said, Donovan, you're not getting out of this. He got you in a headlock right now. No, my bad, my bad. Okay, okay. You got me.

I'm going to take shade. I'm going to lean on the all-MBA selection last year. I think somebody who can, at the guard position, somebody who can dominate the paint, the way Shea can and I think that that means like a lot and his ability

to like Isaac said be a bucket draw free throws control the offense Tyrese is just not a great defender and sometimes it's like it's laughable how bad he is defensively so I will give Shay the nod

because right now he is the more complete player yeah and I haven't pulled up now the stat comparison A lot of green on Shea's side The only green on Tyrese's side Is assists per game, three point per game And effective field goal percentage

But I will say Is 62% effective field goal percentage to 56? It's a good amount. Like She has been I mean Tyrese has been incredibly efficient So we got to give them that credit Let me see what true shooting is comparatively

This year the true shooting is 66 for Tyrese and 63 for Shea So both of them are pretty incredible We've got another donation here I'll take share Mickey, tip $5, appreciate the man, says The current NBA has the most amount of talent ever But they need to make the NBA into more of an entertainment product really

Okay, but the need to make the NBA into more of an entertainment product Really hinders the growth and career of new players coming into the league Do you all feel like Adam Silver is twerking too much for TV? Listen No I don't, okay, okay here's the thing I don't think that I don't think that young players now

are at a serious disadvantage I think young players now can come into the league and have enough opportunity to play and be free and not be hindered by a system or do anything like that and I think that the game is much more open and allows for a lot of creativity and young players to start

I think the NBA wants to twerk for TV because they're trying to figure out the way to get the ratings back up and they're in this weird space and trying to figure out where like the next wave of viewership is going to be, right, cable numbers are down, the old models dying, all that type of stuff.

And you've seen Silver try to figure some things out. But I don't think that what Silver is doing to try and get ratings, I don't think that hinders the game and how it's being played. Yeah, I agree. In terms of, yeah, yeah. And honestly, if we're talking about four players,

like this, he says, The product really hinders the growth and careers of new players coming into the league I think is the opposite because turning this game into entertainment products Let's Carlinetowns make 60 million dollars a year Let's people come in the mellow ball is a star he has more attention to his name than any star outside of Kobe Michael Jordan and so on did in the early 2000s The platform these players can get because the because the NBA is so dominant on social media is incredible So we're talking about four players way better for their careers

He probably means more though on the court and even then like what's the downside well i think that's more of a of a rule thing i think that the way that the rules are set up that you can say like if you are changing certain rules to make the game look a certain way to be more of an entertainment product in that way yeah i can kind of agree um but in terms of like well actually i need i need to know more what what specifically do you think that Adam Silver is doing to, like, hinder young players' growth? Like, what, what do you consider as entertainment? Because I just, I need more clarity on that.

Yeah. What do you think, Mo? Have any opinion? No, not really. I mean, like, what the hell is Adam Silver doing? Like, yeah, they act like he's driving to these players' houses and telling them to do this, like, I don't have any strong, any real strong opinion, in my opinion. I think the product is fine as it is.

They just need to do a better job. job of fucking fixing lead pass. I will say, let me shift this because I'm with him that there's a lot of downsize the way the NBA is marketed right now, but not for players, I think for fans. And I think for the collective IQ of young NBA fans is being greatly harmed by the main thing you see on TV every week is just like, who's getting traded to the Lakers? Who doesn't got that dog on them? Who wants it more?

There's very little like talking about the game from like an ESPN or whoever, the broadcasting partners in terms of like conversation around it. like you watch an NFL game and like the people on halftime are breaking it down explaining things to everybody X's and O's the reason Tyree Kill is eating because Josh because there's coach is really great and setting up these routes to get them open on the flank and so on's on we're missing that in the NBA from like a top down perspective so I don't think it's bad for the players but I think it's really bad for the fans long term I don't know if that wait go ahead I was going to say at the same time basketball is a much easier sport to digest and

a sport like football. You have to think there's so many, so many things, so many players and factors that is the reason why you get a product that you get or out of a play or two. Meanwhile, in basketball, one player can change the entire game as we know it. You know what I'm saying? And so, and also something I want to say is that, like, I don't know if basketball is a sport meant for the, to be broken down like that. because I think

because of its simplicity, because of its simplicity, like a lot of people won't gravitate towards that as much and it's like a longer, it's a long season too, so it's like, I don't know,

there's so many factors to this. Yeah, my thoughts are solidified. No, no, it's definitely great to market as an entertainment product. Like inside the NBA, award winning,

incredible. One of the most like successful pieces of sports media is great. There should just be a balance. For every inside of the NBA we have, we should have a more, uh, analytical approach so we'd have a balance of both next tip SC 615 is tip $5 he said

Jason Tatum is a more complete player than Luca Donchich I saw that let's fire this one up let me start this pull Jason Tatum over Luca Donchich W or L take I'm gonna go ahead and give that an L take in terms of a complete player what do you mean by that can Jason Tatum affect more does he does he have more round of a game does he have any thing. That's what he means. Because defensively. Yeah.

Maybe, yeah, because Jason Taino is not like a black hole and he can play make now a little bit. But that doesn't mean anything because, like, Luca's greatness and what he does just surpasses. When he does offensively, when he comes to passing the ball and his tough shot making surpasses, you know what I'm saying? The defense in my opinion. It's not a crazy, crazy, crazy claim. So what he said is he's a more complete player.

I don't know if he means that he's a better. player. Did you guys view that as the same thing? No. I think I think a lot of times we say this person's more complete or they're more of an all-around player to try and give somebody credit. And that's just like a roundabout way of like trying to give them something when we know, we know that Luke is better than Jason. Fax. But you want to give Tatum some type of credit. So you're saying like, okay, he's a more all-around player, which is correct. He can do. He's like, his, like, His game is more rounded because of the defensive aspect. But the way that Luca trumps him in passing and the way that Luca trumps, or not even, yeah, the way that Luca trumps him in passing and trumps him in terms of, like, controlling the flow of a game, that can overshadow a lot of the defensive deficiencies that he has.

So he's still better. But he's not wrong that Tatum is more complete. Yeah, it's just like he's better defensively, but if complete means like they can do more things, check more boxes. sure but like you said if the totality of the impact is still leaning towards a guy that's offensive oriented doesn't matter like does that completeness even mean anything in the sense oh it doesn't matter exactly i remember back in the day like six seven maybe eight years ago uh be souls he used to have the shot to be souls he used to have this series where he did like a versus and at the time this was before step curry he was already step curry but he was still making his way out and

edging to be the clear cut best point guard in the NBA because russ is so very well still in those conversations and the biggest strong point for those russell westbrook arguments was like he is a better rebounder playmaker defender he can and he's also just like he's as good of a great score you know what i'm saying and a lot of people weren't able to read out read out those weeds because you know it took time it took time for a lot of people just to realize how truly great he was and a lot of people solidified that once he started to earn those championships and have meaningful success in the playoffs. So this could be a,

I don't see people going as hard at this. I'm pretty sure consensus. A lot of people believe that Luca is better. But it's just one of those things that time will help heal this conversation. Shout out to Mickey. He downloaded another dollar. Appreciate you Mickey. Let's pick another hot take from the chat.

I think we can all agree. Everybody, the chat is 60% Luca over Tatum, so nice little I'll take. Sorry, man. Yeah. Someone said, what's what are we looking at? D. Wade over Dirk all time from Nicholas, Oliver D-Wa-D-Water.

There's a lot of Dirk comparisons today. A lot of Dirk talk. People love Dirk. People love to say people are better than D-K. That's what people like people like to show. Did I have? I think I had D-Wade all time. I think I'm going to go D-Wade or D-Wilk.

I think I'm going to go Dirk. I think. Run this poll. Yeah. Listen, Dirk's one ring is one of the most valuable. rings in NBA history like that the weight that he has with that ring is crazy yeah and i yeah i don't know the donation from the killer rora what are your thoughts on sGA and skims how you feel about our man in his skims commercial speaking about skims guess what y'all back here

in my red chair i got a we're going to go ahead and do a skims unpack reveal try on What? I'm just kidding. No. Why did your eyes flyer? I was going to say, Mo Iso Cam, let's go. Mo's in the big cam, let's do it. Here we go.

Drop to him don't know. Big Buddy, Benjamin, let's do it. This truth is going to get nuts. That's hilarious. I caught me in bare, though. Side note. There's currently games going on. We talked about the poop.

Poo Platter Bowl. The Wizards are up 107.93. Let's take a check-in on the other game went on, Lakers versus Philly. I don't know if y'all are watching right now, if you are watching the stream. Philly is being the shit out of the Lakers. Yeah! This is a bloodbath. Give it to it. Let's look at the box scores so far. AD minus 13. Toyin-Prince, minus 26. LeBron James, minus 30. These starters are getting their teeth kicked in.

Damn Tough Love it Wait what are you got? 29 Tyrese's hooping on him He has 29 points Hit 5 for 12 on threes

Love to see it 30 point 11 rebound And 11 assists triple double Good God man He's eating Yeah it's Not looking good

Have we again We'll watch the game Afterwards but It's not looking good For the Lakers As a Lakers fan Not what I like to see But we'll check in on this

At the end of the game We'll see where it's at If you are watching as the Lakers hater, this is exactly what I want to see. Your Monday night is made. All right, let's look at another chat in here. Let's find another hot take. Chats moving so fast. I can't even see you got to scroll up.

Bobby Porters will be six-man this season. Good for Bobby Portis. Okay. Hot take. OKC has to win a championship the next three years due to the age of their young core. I think that's crazy They have to win a championship over the next three years Oh my bad I bet

They might win a championship in the next three years Do their draft picks in the Senion core Do okay so let's just You know remix this Do you think okay season win a championship The next three years I think it's very possible When you have 17 draft picks over the next

What three years or so You have the ability to Throw everything on the plane And get whatever star player is unhappy at that period in time. You get a couple of them, to be honest with you if you really want to. With the assets that they have, some valuable young

players on their team, too, that can move some pieces or whatever. They could absolutely do. With how good they are right now, they're obviously not going to be a top... I don't think they're going to finish the NBA season as a top two seed, but with the pieces that they have in place, Chet Hongrim is looking like a great secondary option.

She is Shea. Nothing's going to change. Lou Ward is Lou Geord. I think they have a perfect opportunity to go ahead and do so. the next two years but it just it's heavily reliant if they decided throwing those picks or not which i don't think they should wait you don't think you don't think they should right now no i think you do you pull first and foremost they have to figure out what they have and how far they can go with this core shout out to mickey for donating another dollar his comment says i agree the NBA is more profitable than ever and it benefits players more than anybody but the

players also currently have it much easier than ever that they might not commit to reach their full potential career-wise, such as Ben Simmons and DeAndre Aiden, I think those are two specific examples of guys that are not about it. Well, let me not say Ben Simmons. He's been injured, hurt a lot. I don't really hurt him for that. DeAndre Aton, doesn't want it bad enough, and I think that's on him, nothing to do with anything else. He just doesn't want it bad enough at all. Thanks. Facts. All right. On the O KC thing, I disagree. They need, you can't draft 17 people over the next two years and keep everybody on your roster. Trade the picks you have in the NBA to win a title you need like a top 10 top seven player on your team

and then right fill it out around that you have one you have shay you got another one in chet and if you have those picks right now is the opportunity to go in and trade them you don't even need necessarily a star but if you go and get somebody who fits your team like exactly like if they went and got like an oj and an obi right or if they went and got and like an oj and obi right or if they went and got um i don't know he's he's the main he's the main name in my head right now but you can fill you can fill the margins very well but you have to make that run right now so i think that they have to give up the picks bro with the way you side messiah jiris is taxing they're not going to have any more picks by the time they treat they can do it though

they can afford it they can do it teams are going to be taxing the hell out of their ass everybody knows everybody looks at you in the seas you got 27 picks for me if i would charge the Warriors three first-on-picks for OG and Obie. I know you got it, and I know you need OG and Adobe, so maybe don't take fire. Like, it's going to be hard for them to make a deal. Give them 12. Who cares? You can't, again, they have like

36 picks over the next four years. You literally cannot draft and keep everybody. Trade them. It's okay. Another don't-no. Oklahoma says, I really love the stream, I've been watching for a while now. My hot take is that Orlando beats Bucks and Seven.

I don't believe in Dame, and the Bucks don't have enough and i'm not going to last word wits a bucks and seven now if that was to happen that will man that don't even know what i like that i like that you like that because it's eight man you like that because this is what keeps you alive

but it's interesting though Orlando's defense is real and they are they can they have the link to compete with with Milwaukee we'll see what Milwaukee's death looks like right

um you know what I said right but let's see what Milwaukee's depth looks like palo's starting to come around right he had a slow start he's starting to hoop again like you said if your man Jalen Suggs can if he can stay if he can stay healthy and knock down threes they're kind of dangerous I don't think go go go go batad's day they're cooking I was a big man in NBA history in YouTube history who was a go go go go batate fan man i was rooting for him i wanted him on my hawks to be honest as you say that he just got scored on these highlights i'm showing he just got dunked on he got gave up a easy

dunk to mark williams and that is why i don't make youtube videos anymore things like that i said jare kover was going to be the next jimmy but but no i don't think uh listen i was high on jerry kover too i don't think i love the magic in a specific matchup against the bucks i just don't think they have the firepower i think that's their defense is definitely real. It's going to make them regular season just a great team like we're seeing. They can move to a playoff matchup

against certain teams. Like maybe they can be the Knicks, some like that where it's going to be a rock fight. It just comes down to... Actually, no, because I think Jaylon Brunson would... I'd trust him more than I would. Palo and Franz in that scenario. I don't know what team it is.

There's certain matchups that could probably win. I don't think the Bucks is one of those. I don't know if they can keep up the firepower. I'm assuming by the time the playoffs come around, Dame and Yonnas pick and roll will finally be, you know, moving. Dames's going to be making his shots again. I just don't see the magic having that kind of firepower

for a seven-game series. Man, you know what they need to go ahead and do? They need to go ahead and package Markhill Fultz and Jonathan Isaac, even though you have to assume he's a big part of their defense too, even though he's not starting like he is. In my opinion, one of the five best defenders in the NBA. I felt that way about him for a long time,

even when he's been off the court. I just think about that man as an absolute monster. So I just think about the, the train back again for him what are you laughing about he's a he's a monster off the court off the court jonathan isaac how what do you do oh a topic for another day no no allegations he's just crowning he's good to do hit my dm give you an info anyways mill mill gave us another donation said what player do you feel like coaching destroyed their career that's a good one Listen, it was looking like Cam Thomas for a couple of years, but finally, finally he's getting his run.

Who else got destroyed by coaching that could have been great? Oh, man. Justin Herbert. Jalen Johnson, I would say. Shout out to, what's his name? Oh, Fax. Milk, Dud, McMillan. The second, they, I said this on the pod the other day.

They told us to play someone named Cat Barber over him back when the whole team got wiped with COVID. We got smeared to death, and he was like, he looked at everyone. on a bench. See, he saw the most credited basketball player, 6-9, light-skinned dude, go hoop, went to Duke. He's like, nah, he's some random A.T. Alien. Why is Likeskin matter?

Listen, give me some random A.T. Alien from Atlanta himself, Cat Barber. Let's put him in. And he hoops. I saw him. Hometown hero. He could get buckets. Cat Barber was an extra on the show, Atlanta. He knows Donald Glover. Wait, are you serious?

No, of course not. I'll believe that. I open my eyes wide. I'm like, whoa, are you serious? Kang, no, Jaylon Johnson's a good pick. He was definitely on that route. Let's see if the comments there, people were saying anybody. Who else has been messed up by having a coach that doesn't know how to rock? Is it?

Kenyon Martin Jr., that's a good pick. Obie Topping underrated. People were saying that in the chat. Yeah. For sure, I like that pick. I'm seeing a lot of those get Moe out the hood. People are spamming that. Shut out.

Oh, Alprin Singh was on that time. Listen, listen, listen, listen. The whole Rockets team would have got their careers ruined. They kept, if they kept Stephen Silas, he was on that time of time for sure. He was wasting everybody. Kenyon Martin Jr., Alperin Sengoon. We got another, okay, we got another donation. Anon says, hot take, players like Chet and Ben Simmons, who spend a year learning the NBA in the NBA system,

should not be eligible for a rookie of the year in their first season playing. That is true. No, it is not. I hate this shit. That is true. Why? Chet Holmgren broke his foot. What do you think he was doing in the last year?

Walking around in a boot on a scooter for nine months. and then recovering to getting in-game shape. He didn't gain shit from being around the Thunder. That is wrong. That's actually wrong. Oh, he was blessed at this entire time. Tell him what's wrong. He had a boot for nine months.

You have an entire year to be in the facility, have Oklahoma City nutritionists, have Oklahoma City trainers, have, be able to have your body adjust to travel. You think Gonzaga doesn't have that? On the, okay, it is something different. It is something different to play a 33-girds. game schedule and be a half student athlete than to actually be a professional athlete

travel with the team get accustomed to to everything that that you need and whatever resources Gonzaga I promise you the Oklahoma City Thunder and actual NBA team have more resources than Gonzaga a mid-major school for sure for sure they're more but again these people miss a season because they're hurt they're not over here in the lab bulking up like getting crazy training his foot's broken he's on the scooter for six months and a boot for three more when he starts when he starts training right if he would to do that in gonzaga his training camp he would be playing one-on-one against drew timmy this time he's playing one-on-one and timmy's a bucket he's playing one-on-one against jaylon

william he has NBA coaches around him he has the entire lifestyle and everything outside of actual in-game experience to be acclimated to what this is and that's a major part of it No, I understand that. No, I'm with you. That's a thing, but it's a separate thing from winning rookie of the year. At the day, it's still his rookie season. There's still some need, no matter how much of that goes into it, you still have to be on the court.

It's a whole other thing to get accustomed to the game. That is a thing, but it's not so much an advantage that I'm going to pretend they're not rookies. I'm not going to let him out of the running for an award that he earns just because he had the misfortune of being hurt for his season. He still didn't play. Like, I don't think it should disqualify. him. There's been so many players in NBA history

toward the back end of the draft, obviously, who haven't gotten a lot of burn or any burn and are still ass. You know what I'm saying? Just because you have the ability to get your foot massage for an extra 15 minutes every single day. You know what I'm saying? Doesn't automatically, shouldn't automatically disqualify you from winning work of the year because you get that extra treatment and you get all those reps, footage and all that stuff. Like, it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

Are you playing on the court or not because there's, there's been so many, there's been so many times where we've seen players miss hell of time and they come back, you know what I'm saying, looking either worse or looking like they haven't gone better at all, you know? Yeah, and, you know, also in the day, what's to be gained by making some of your most marketable young stars not be able to win an award? Like, it's, what are we gaining here? That's different. We can live.

We can let Donovan Mitchell be a rookie of the year? great who gives a fuck it's more interesting if it's a race that's that's different right that's talking about the politics of the award and in the marketing stuff i'm saying the morals of this right the moral that's what i'm talking about i'm talking about what's right and what's wrong and for donovan mitchell donovan mitchell came from college summer league started hooping and ben simmons went college summer league a year to acclimate and then hooping and then hooping again like he had an advantage that doesn't recovering from injury like it's not like they're just over here rolling the red carpet out and like gets every benefit with no downsides he's hurt he's

recovering i'm not saying i'm not saying he has no no downside i understand he's hurt but everything else does like play it matters a little bit you're right it's a thing you're right i think i think it matters more than you're giving the credit for no i think it matters i understand i agree i just don't think it should disqualify them from running work of the year i think acknowledging it matters and saying they can't win this award because of it are two different things. Yeah, for sure. You lost your rookie season.

But you didn't, though. You didn't, though. If you didn't touch the court, it's not a rookie season. So if somebody, so if somebody, right, let's say Mo gets drafted next year, doesn't play a lick of basketball, right? Just DMP's coaches decisions, right? Does not play?

Does he get to win rookie of the year? I think they do let them do that I think that is a thing if your people are like are in the G league the whole year and never are active a roster you can't be on no no no no no he's on the team right he makes the 15 but he never

plays does and then the next year he comes I don't know and he was hooping are you giving him rookie of the year I don't know he's not injuring it's different come on you know it's different he doesn't have injuries are coming from what's the difference he doesn't he doesn't play

he didn't get to play because of injury not married. That's the difference. They're not going to hold somebody back because it got hurt. He did not play. He did not. All right, man. Let's keep moving. Next day. I think we, listen, we're an hour and a half in of doing hot takes. I think we transitioned here and we spend the next 30 minutes perusing NBA Reddit and talking through these stories. Y'all down? Deep and deep and dark it's places in the internet. Let's do it. Let's see the nonsense that's

being perpetrated on NBA Reddit. Let's see what's going on here. Let's hit a quick refresh. It's going to get dark. Hopefully there's some goofy shit on here. Oh, this is a funny one I saw earlier. Yusuf Nerkich with no respect for Randall's jumper. Let's watch that. Look at Yusuf Nerkich's big lazy asses to standing here, not contesting this jumper.

That's what I looked like when I was playing Donovan one-on-one in L.A. Like, fuck this, man. I ain't garnett. The hook in this is that he doesn't. Yeah, I promise you, that is not disrespect to his Julius Randall. that is Nurgich being lazy That's what that is That's him giving up

In the first quarter by the way That's just lazy There's four minutes left There's been nine minutes Or eight minutes of game time And he's already like You got it And then he has fucking

Eric Gordon under the rim Fighting for his life trying to get This rebound from Mitchell Robinson Well he doesn't even jump to the board either He just leaves him to fucking die He's crazy You're running in practice We're getting you on that page of test

The Nirkage. Get you stamina up. Use the British who are a suspect. Next one. Let's keep going. What else we got on here? Alperin Sengoon reveals that he was relieved to learn that he got drafted by Houston and that OKC after hearing that Oklahoma City is boring.

Have better y'all been to Oklahoma? No. Yeah. I have. I've been to multiple cities in Oklahoma. I say this like with 100% this is how I feel. Oklahoma is my least favorite state in the country. I hate that state so much.

It is terrible. It is not fun. It is boring. So like I understand this. But at the same time, Sangoon, you could be living it up on the pop-a-shot at Daven Busters. You can have mad tickets.

So many tickets. You can win every prize that you want if you're just killing the pop-a-shot. Do that. But yeah, I hate Oklahoma. I'm sorry. Damn, over Utah, over Iowa. I've never been there And I've never planned on going there

What country is Al-Prince and Goun from? He's from Turkey Yeah, Turkey I wonder where he came up in He must have came up in their version of L.A. It must have been popping If he thought he was too good And too out here for Oklahoma City

He must have been in the most popping part of Turkey Living it up He said, I'm 19, I better be Where the Houston strip clubs are Or James Harding. I can't be out here At the casinos in Oklahoma Yeah, his big bad hole radar was just not working in fucking okay see apparently because that's just like obviously

I have to play a part of it bro as a orki why do you care about the excitement of each NBA now when it comes to specific what do you mean you just made millions of dollars you're 20 years old you're like oh no I'm gonna be outside this top comment this comments is if you Google the Turkish population in Houston it says 5,000 people if you Google the Turkish population in Oklahoma it shows you the population of Turkey there. Okay, it makes sense. It makes sense. As a Houstonian, I feel like the amount of Turkish people here is way more than just 5,000. Are the Turkish out here in Houston living it up? Like,

they move heavy in Houston? Listen, any, Houston is huge. You need to understand how big Houston is. Any population that you want to look for, there's a community out here. He got that hardened in them. That's great. Next story. Scroll this back over. what we got next the Josh Gidey related story which I guess we will not touch on

until more information comes out because it is not a joyful fun thing to talk about this current moment big fucking yikes he's on nasty man timing right now facts if this is all true he is another he who should not be named well we got another tip from Oklahoma

last take the 2019 Raptors are one of the most well-rounded if not the most well-rounded team in NBA history that could have took on another title from any of the super team teamed unlike, like the 2017 Durant Warriors. Could the Raptors have won another trip to stay together? No. I think they're good.

That thing they could have won again. That team was so fucking deep, man. Having Marcosol, Pascoisakum, before he actually broke out, imagine this current day, Pascal Seaccombe, or all NBA, Pascal Seaccombe, or whatever elite version of him that you want to put up there. Next, Kawhi Leonard. Kyle Larry doesn't have to have that much of an impact. O.G. Under Nob is so much a better of a player.

It might be cooking, so to be honest. Does Pascal make that jump if Kauai still there, though? If Kyle Lowry still continues to decline as a player, then for sure. I think so. I think they gradually give him the keys because I think everyone saw it coming at that point in time. And if Kauai Leonard stayed, I'm going to take it like another step further. When it comes to over the past two years, over the past years, I still think they've been one of the best champions of teams.

the only team where I'm not going to be like okay I don't know if they can touch them is maybe like the nuggets and the lakers but outside of that I might lean towards them next thing we got here this is the story we didn't talk about Paul Reed says on Anthony Davis he's a big flopper so make sure I don't get in foul trouble early I can't be too aggressive with him he's going to be flailing so I got to make sure I stay out of foul trouble how did y'all feel about this comment coming from Paul Reed Philadelphia's finest dude said that as he got 40 minutes a game out there, but you're not guarding him.

Hey, how many free throws does Anthony Davis have tonight? I don't know. Anthony Davis went ahead and got five free throws, and he made three of them. Hey, maybe he was spinning. Maybe the reps didn't want, maybe the refs swallowed the whistle. I'm going to, okay, wait a time about guys, I'm looking over. The final score of the Lakers game is in. The 76 is won, 138 to 94.

Oh, they beat, they beat them, what is that? By 44. 44 points. Damn. AD had 17 points. That's disgraceful. That's disgraceful. LeBron had 18. This is the best player on the Lakers, Isaac. You make me sick.

Who? It's a LeBron or A.D. Neither one of them showed out. Look at LeBron. Neither one of them showed out. This is nasty. This can't be real. LeBron had zero rebounds.

This has to be a glitch. No, he has literally zero rebounds. is insane I've never seen the LeBron game with zero rebounds He must have had zero effort This must have been one of those things LeBron was also questionable coming into the game So maybe you play through a little bit of an injury Well they were down 13 at the end of the first so it was probably

The brawl was like all right I'll see how next game Yeah, let's go back to Reddit Yeah, B-ball Paul hilarious coming from a teammate of Joelle and Beads though I do do I really don't give a shit about any this foul drawing discourse i think it's all annoying it's a part of the game man even though joll and b finished the game with 12 no he's a merchant he's a merchant and it's annoying it's annoying you don't like it no you're too big you're too big to be doing all that you are seven you are seven one can you stop falling everywhere when somebody six two touches you i'm gonna need you to be

strong and highlight of victim women yama's defense on yokic two block shots he's cooking Let's see what happens his third play. Look at that. Yoki says, okay, I'm going to bully you. Shoulder,

shoulder, psych! I'm not scoring. Three misses in a row? I wonder if this is every shot or just the good ones. It's probably just a good one. But I don't care. He shut down the MVP.

We know propaganda when we see it. That was great. Again, it gets back to what Donovan was talking about earlier. I need them to stop fucking around and ruining his rookie season and give him a real team that makes sense and play a point guard in the court with him?

Because we should be seeing tweets every night about his rookie season, but we're not because they're being terrorists. It's insane how... There's been to 40 on Kevin Duran. They were like, yeah, let's just not give him the ball. Shut the shit down. That's crazy.

Yuck. We've seen enough. Yeah. He said, there's no eye in team, Vic. Joe Gwelen Beats is number one in the NBA and Fritos made at 155. the next highest is Lillard at 129.

Over 32% of NB's total points to come from free throws. Donovan, thoughts? He's a merchant. And it's not like, it's, it's, listen, part of it is when you are a great player getting to the line is a skill, right?

Correct. I'm recognizing that, and that is important to the game. Also, just, but just aesthetically, just watching. Again, you're too big to be doing all of that. Like, can you just relax? Like, it just looks.

looks like you are baiting and you don't have to do that you're a great score you're bigger than everybody on the floor but you want to act like you're six seven a buck 60 bro be strong put your shoulder into somebody and get buckets like why are you trying to get these free throws man ridiculous right now reminder we're at 936 likes on the stream right now reminder we get to a thousand moz gonna start acting different so hey we get to a thousand i'm unboxing my skims package right there on god let me need 63 more lights eater let's do it sixty we're like something

is okay me we're unbacking the skins there's about 900 of y'all in here right now I know 63 of y'all can drop a like on the stream I know y'all got us I believe in the crayon eaters oh you said please you want to see me in undies oh my god trying to get engaged me we have a comment here of Clay Thompson being asked a question

about his recent play he says what you want Steve Kerr to bench me You can suggest it. Thanks, Steve, I guess. I don't care if people say. They don't do what we do. I don't care if people say. I guess this is a question about his poor play. And we talked about us on the last pod.

This man, it has chronic Carmelo Anthony syndrome right now and cannot accept the fact that he's not the player. Oh, we got the 1K. Damn! You were the first one to spot it out. All right. Uh-oh, I saw Cammo. Clay's washed.

He used to get over it. Back to Mo. Let's see what you. he pulls out at the iso cam he comes with the package black red lights you have better packaging than this yeah this is what it came in now I can't go ahead and show y'all my address because I don't want a bunch of crayon eaters knocking at my door over here in the box well we got the scissors bring this a little ASMR a little unboxing ASMR he's getting real intimate in here you got the lights in that

back. Someone cue the music. I lied. This is not Skims. Ladies and gentlemen, I have something to admit. I am a crayon eater at heart

and I ordered something from TikTok shop. Oh my God. They got me. I ordered some fits. Listen, if it's not skims, show people what you got at least. At least let us see what you bought from TikTok.

Hey, everybody rate Mo's drip. Let's see if these are good cops or not. I bought a two-piece fit. Pull it out You're going on vacation We're going to rate your cops right now We're going to see if you got drip or not All right yeah

Rate my drip Rate my drip so Use the pants It's a two-piece set Bro, I hope these ain't see through Because this is like White pants I'll probably see

Listen I can see through them bright I can see that pocket I can see that pocket If you can see through these I'm cooked bro She shouldn't be hanging out like a mug Oh this is a shine special What is this?

The craziest looks on the train of my room. Did you say shy? Yeah. So this is her, sheen. Oh, sheens. I never heard so I love. Basically, bro.

Basically. God damn. You ordered some bullshit. TikTok shop drip is the fucking diabolical. On a random face-time call with Isaac and Donovan, I showed him that I got a rug on TikTok. And guess what? I ordered another one.

Yeah. I ordered another car. carpet bro it's ridiculous all apart look at it what's that's kind of hard moving to the move it to your right what does it say it says it's okay oh whack hey bro send that back send that shit back send that shit back I'm all about positivity over here and it actually feels nice guess what this was worth three dollars okay three dollars maybe maybe you got a deal was looking at the chat Daniel says four out of ten drip sing some w drips four out of ten

Listen, Gavin, Gavin Sweeney says, Mo has no motion confirmed. No motion is crazy. Well, it's running a poll. Right now, we're at 58% W drip. KT said, you got a Dage Loeb fit. Dage Loafit is crazy. What does that mean? What does that supposed to mean, man?

Anontenton $1. I know who Dazolef is, but her drip is not in my mind. Anantin $1. He said, said this man Mo dressed like a milkman It's funny because he is a milkman I am not a milkman You are don't deny it

What is a milkman? Do you want to get into this on stream I'm not trying to blow up your spot I'm not trying to do that Right Oh listen you won the pool 55% said W drip so I guess I guess the day's low fit lives to see another day

I guess you got a lot fit is crazy as hell man Oh my god There was a hashtag no hose Mo no zero aura Ben Simmons fit Zero out of ten brain riot strong in this one They said OF girl pants Oh no You got the only fans fit

Oh my god In the only fans light that's ridiculous You got the purple lights back there looking mad sensual that's great listen man with these comments they don't make me want to fucking put that shit on

and make me prove them wrong but I'm not gonna do it to me that's great let's get back to Reddit let's let's let let me let Mo's chicanery distract us from what we're doing right now

back to Reddit oh my gosh what we're looking at that's hilarious what if we grizzly-fied the NBA what is this looks like a big post What if we grisly-fied the NBA?

As a grisies fan looking forward to the upcoming 2024, 20-25 season, which is next year. I have seen a couple comments right here in NBA that posed the question. What other team would do any better with seven of the rotation now, seven rotation players out? And lucky for you, oh, hold on, pause on this. We got another donation. Mill tipped, ironically about the grizzlies.

Should the grizzlies just tank if they're three and 22? When the job comes back? Yes, if you're three and 22, yes. but they won't be. That's crazy. Three and 22 is insane, man. They can't. Jaws is just too good of a player for them to think. It's not going to happen. Sorry.

Anyways, the point of this post is to say, if you took seven of the top rotation players out from every team, who would win the championship? And I'm very interested in seeing these teams and saying who would be good at them is. In this scenario, if we did this in the same injuries to every team, the Hawks roster is Dejante Murray, Patty Mills, Wesley Matthews,

Sadiq Bay and Clint Capella. How many games is that team winning? Well, it depends because if the rest of the league is down bad, they might get 35. Oh, listen to the Celtics, bro. The Celtics are Delano Banton at Point Guard. Who? Jaylen Brown. Hey, man, don't play with him.

Hey, them folks in Toronto will die over that man. He's a Celtic now. They're not dying by them. I don't know more. Delano Banton, Jailen Brown, Lamar Stevens, Sam Houser, and KP. this is the worst fucking team I've ever seen oh shit this team is horrible

I was about to say they can make a run this team is horrible running the jeeple everybody's team is horrible nobody on this team can dribble this is horrible all right

next guy Dennis Smith Jr. Cam Thomas they're out they're out they're out they're out no no Derek Whitehead or Derek Whitehead I don't know how you say it

Nick Claxton and Ben Simmons at center we're doing all of this just for Eric's poster in the Miami Heat to make another finals run. Let's see what the heat's nugget. We won't look at all these. Let's see what the heat got.

Scroll the heat. The Heat have Tyler Hero, R.J. Hampton, Jaime Hawkes, Bama to Bayo, and Thomas Bryant. That's what they have now. That's their number. What's the difference? That's their lineup on a random Tuesday and Jimmy's out. For sure.

On God, exactly. They run this lineup. This is the best team here. Lakers got Austin Reeves, Gabe Vincent, Cam Reddish, Anthony Davis, and Jackson Hays. 20 wins This is great man

As we want on the next story Scroll back down Wow The word Let me check in Let me check in On the final Yeah on the Poo Boo Boob Bowl

Washington Wizards Have broken their Losing streak They won 126-107 Now the Detroit Pistons Who mind you Again are 2 and 15 have lost 13 games

I actually know it hasn't it hasn't updated have lost 14 games in a row who question O'runder for those who haven't looked how many points did Jordan pool score in his victory okay I haven't seen I haven't seen I'm gonna guess

last time I'm updating you all he scored 10 and he finished with 10 damn three for nine from the field give it up to Jordan oh man how many shots Nine.

Nine. He can't shoot again, bro. Cal Coosin was ass was ball hog in 10 for 23. He was getting him up and 11 free throws. He was cool. He always had a triple double. Damn, what's up a bachelor? Are they playing in Detroit?

Damn, 32, 12 and 8. Shout out Coos. Hey. Listen, I'm checking on my fantasy team real quick. Y'all keep going. I'll keep going. All right. We probably got about 15 minutes left on the stream.

Let's shift this back to the chat. We're going to do Q and A's in the chat for the rest of the episode. for the rest of the episode. Kuzma got me 58. Shout out to you, Kyle. Nice. The next 15 minutes before we end, Q and A's in the chat strictly.

So run up the questions. Let's see what they got. He's knows what they got a little delay. Someone said, what happened to the Ben Simmons stock? Listen, it's in the toilet. This guy's back cannot play six games in a row without a catastrophic injury. Sucks for him, but it is what it is.

Oh my goodness, man. Yeah, I'm down so bad because of you, Isaac. I believe you. You gaslit me into putting hell of my stock, all my stock into Ben Simmons, and I did it. And God, bro, someone just said, am I gay in the trap? Anthony Briscoe, what is wrong with you? Come here. All right.

Enough. Enough. Enough. Someone said, no matter what, Donovan says, bucks and five. That's not how I feel. That's not how I feel. I do not feel like bucks and five. I guess anybody?

I mean, listen, against certain people, but, like, they can get a bucks and five. But no matter what, that's how I felt before the Celtics had gotten through it. Someone said, Anthony Davis or Bam out of bio? Who are you picking today? Still AD? Yeah, AD. Yeah, it's still AD. Thank God.

Still proven. And he's a better score. Yeah, he's a better score, bro. The day Bam out of bio drops 50, that's when we'll start having conversations. He will never drop 50. Someone said, is Tatum the MVP right now? that's a great question he's not I don't think he's had that many when it comes to narrative face it I don't think he has had that many outstanding performances and

there's no real thing going for him right now you know listen to the Lakers someone said does Isaac still think the Lakers are top five in the West yeah the West hasn't been you know it's not just crazy competition out there like we can pull up the standings right know I don't think there's any reason to not what do you guys think I mean I need to see the standings again also real quick dark horse for MVP that one Booker them booker might be out here I love fantastic I love to hear actually I don't know maybe like this won't be tough why we're pulling it up now media angle let's get back to this what are the odds let me share my screen so they current right now

we have the Timberwolves the one seed thunder two sons three nuggets four Mavericks 5. Then King's 6th, Lakers 7. And listen, the Lakers are 10 and 7. They're only, they're the same amount of wins as the five seed. So it's all still bunched together. Do you think they can pass at the Mavericks to that five seed? Passed the Mavericks and Kings? The Mavericks and Kings, I think, is very possible. Mavericks have been sliding like shit after their hot start, playing all those easy teams, like I said during the podcast. They face some real competition, regress down to the mean. Lukas, still Luca's still look good. But I think it's very possible

when I'm thinking to regress for sure. Yeah, I mean, they're only two games out of the one seat. So I don't know if they've fallen off a cliff like you're saying, but they've definitely not quite the same one percentage. Well, they're, they've, out of their last, what,

I think out of their last six or seven games, they're like two and four, so. Yeah, not great. Looking kind of like, yeah. Yeah, actually last, what is it, last 10,

they had a five and five in the last 10. Yeah. Well, you know, let's put this way. Yeah. Let's go team by team. Nuggets still better than the Lakers, right?

Yeah, for sure. even though they're missing Jamal Murray and they're sliding a little bit they'll be fine actually did they win tonight they played without Yokitch tonight oh game hasn't started yet so we'll see we get to watch that one Nuggets still ahead of them Sons. We're going to Sons over Lakers Sons over the Lakers I don't know that's so hard I'm gonna say Lakers because

they're still more of a complete team when we've actually seen AD and LeBron play together compared to Bradley Biel step foot in that arena so yeah shout out Sun hard for the tip appreciate you man okay so we got the Lakers so are what Nuggets over them or are we not picking them Nuggets over I mean my bad are you picking the sons over Lakers give me the Lakers okay so we're not getting them so Nuggets are one are the Thunder gonna be finish ahead of the Lakers they'll finish ahead of okay let's shift this conversation best five teams in

the West who are you thinking with the championship are you picking the thunder over the Lakers I'm picking the Lakers so I'm picking the Lakers so thunder are good man I don't know, like they're really, but you have to see it first. And you have to see them in the trenches first. You know what? I'm a, I'm a step out. I'm a step out. I'm taking the thunder over the Lakers.

I'm going to do it. That's tough for me. That's tough. Random question. Someone asked, Zan Man, said, how many points would Donovan score in a high school JV game? Six. Damn, Donovan. I'm letting y'all know right now okay you put me in a high school jv what's he doing

right here right here here there's a romance straight right there i'm in the back i'm telling them kids to hit the way room drop step all day i mean 20 and 10 easy that's hilarious okay so you're going let's give the thunder credit the thunder currently deserved to be ranked by the lakers after that timber wolves i'm taking the lakers it's proven it's so hard to say because the t-wolds are still magnificent on defense and anthony edwards is still doing anthony edward saying maybe i should select the t-wolves damn i defer i'll take the lakers okay i'll take the lakers okay the lake

The Lakers are safer, for sure. Mavs? You can't. I will take the Lakers. I don't think that you can, I don't think that you can have the defensive deficiencies that they have. And I think that the Lakers will be able to keep up with, I think they'll be able to slow down Dallas enough to where, like, we get into like a half-core game and they end up winning. Mavericks? That's what we just said.

Yeah, Lakers. Oh, my bad. Kings. I'll take the Kings Yeah Why do you feel that way about the Kings They have similar defensive deficiencies I have

I'm very High on what the Kings Did last year in the postseason And I've seen them Already this at like to start this season They've played the Lakers very well So I'm gonna I'm gonna lean on that

Sounds like we're taking four teams Our three teams above the Lakers They're still top five so answers that question okay back this could be more more camera more questions from the chat everyone saying tyris max his offensive stats is crazy tonight agreed someone says tracer sports said what NBA player could you guys score against in a one v one compazo composo is he still in NBA no okay i was like what probably probably than asses is locking you up yeah that's one thing that he's probably every player yeah he's gonna keep doing it you're not gonna score you can't hard no then that's it has to be a player that's either small and like regular person athleticism or gigantic and like just too slow like they're gonna leave you open yeah like Taco fall you could probably get an open jumper against him you know I'll score on Nurkidge I don't know if you hmm I think this is just athletic enough to make a regular person look like a we literally just saw you

Disrespect and be lazy against Julius Randall. He's gonna underestimate me. I can get one shot up. I need one shot I said it would wouldn't a 1 v1 v1 fist fight between you guys Battle Royale That's great Who's your favorite player not on your favorite team? That's Nicole Yokch for me obviously That's a great question. Shea. Shay really? I don't know you're that big of a Shay guy say yeah okay that's a new development i didn't know that daren fox has been one of my favorite players to watch over the last few years

yeah you love fox think that also goes into like the conversation that's been had about him and i feel like when he comes what you would you say now my bad i do you say curry yes i yeah yeah you got consistent um someone said where's your thoughts on screw henderson's slow start rookie who cares try young was fucking playing like it doesn't matter bro mark mcardo williams was playing like prime ben simmons at start of the square and he wouldn't be rookie in there for prime ben simmons is the is the count

he hasn't given me anything to think about yeah too early we'll see like it's such a small sample size if he's still playing like this come like february i'll be a little concerned low key but it's he had a good game the other night against the bucks he started off like five for five in the first half so too small of a sample size they're really form any strong opinion yeah

hot take pepe sanchez is better than thananasis that's a hot ass take man can somebody put that in 2k i need to see that yeah he wants versus garbage which one you want Gavin says aunt ora or shea who's the battle

of the aura man who wins Sheaora that was easy why why why why You saw the swims out.

You're on the main stage. Mo, I still can't have a real reason why. Now, the only reason I would lean on ant is because you do know how to rap. You know what I'm saying? You've seen those freestyles out there. He's funny as hell. He loves that. But, say he's a serious.

Shane you put that shit on. We ain't never seen someone do what he does on Instagram on a routine, based when it comes to those captions. The generational Instagram talent, is that what you're saying? Yeah, bro. those captions are ridiculous his program his programming team hall of fame that's all him that's all him he doesn't have a team all right I mean this really like a good place to end the episode and the

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