The Deep 3 Podcast - We Rebuilt The NBA’s Most Disappointing Team | Ep. 67

Episode Date: December 15, 2023

Today we rebuild the Golden State Warriors, the NBA's biggest failure. #nba Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Join the TD3 discord!: https://discord.gg/RUkjpMPp7E Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:46- Draymond needs help 16:22- Rebuilding GSW 36:25- The Hawks STINK 52:08- TikTok Time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So is Draymond Green just kind of like ruin the rest of Steph Curry's Prime? Is that where we're at? He already did it. He already did. The damage is done. It's open. The name was the death blow of the dynasty? It's been the death blow.

Today we have today at all. It all fell down. Yeah. What's up y'all? As you see by the title, today we're going to be rebuilding some of the worst teams in the NBA. And originally when we decided to do this a couple days ago, we were thinking like, let's talk about what the bull's got to do with a rap. maybe the hawks if we're going to pile on to mow all that but then draymond green decided to mollywap use of nurkich and today get himself suspended indefinitely which as we just said seems

like the death blow to the warrior's dynasty we all thought this would be the last dance and now it's even crazy than we ever expected so we're going to rebuild them as well yeah we are literally 24 not even 24 hours fresh off of draymond green trying to knock us of nuris top off and And this news just happened quite literally two, three hours before we press record. You know what I'm saying? So this affects a lot. And what better timing it is to just figure out how we're going to rebuild what Dremont seemingly destroyed. I love being dramatic.

Yeah, he's definitely helping. But there's a lot bigger problems that to do the Warriors that we talked about at nauseam over the past few weeks. That let's lay it all on the table. Let's talk about the Golden State Warriors in depth. The cranium is crazy Oh my god I mean I don't know What to say

Pray on eaters Rejoice Man that brother needs help That was the best thing to come out of this Yeah Nerkich was just like Man I don't know I get it

Eadies therapy Straight up It wasn't even like therapy, though. It was just like, help. Like, I don't know. Like, it wasn't even like, hey, we're going to get you a doctor, right? We're going to get you somebody that you could talk to. It's just, hey, you got problems at home.

Figure it out. Like, I was going to know. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm sure he doesn't want to be on the opposing end of that again. The funniest part was in that same postconference that he said that. He also was like, thank God he didn't choke me. And it's just so funny. after that he said all that

when Rudy Gobert did get choked he was over there talking about you just didn't want to play without your guy's staff you're running it seems like collectively the NBA is just far less respectful of Jeremy on Green than they were in the past

it's like all his chirping finally caught up to him and everyone's just like sick of it because they're not winning like they used to he's no longer this like big dog that can save whatever he wants because he's one of the most important parts of a dynasty

now he's just an asshole yeah yeah he's a clown Yeah, exactly. All this in the last 12 months, we witnessed him punch the shit out of his teammates in the playoffs. Stomp on someone's chest literally three, four weeks ago, put Rudy Gober in a chokehold. And now he's after another center swinging on somebody. And like at a certain point in time, and it seems like we've gone to this time to where we have to have a serious conversation that we're having about Draymond, who he has started to begin. come as a player. There's ongoing memes about him being just overly aggressive at random times and his body just losing absolute control. But now it's up to the point to where you're literally sabotaging the future of your

team. Yeah. The part that bothers me is like he's a smart guy clearly, right? Like overall, he's clearly an intelligent dude. It shows in his play. It shows in everything else about him. He's not an idiot. But he treats us like we're idiots regarding all this.

Like, he said at the end, I was trying to sell the foul, I was trying to sell the foul, blah, blah, blah, blah. You watch it, he gets touched in the back. His jersey pulled ever so slightly, the most regular NBA defense you can imagine. And he spins around like a Bayblade and backhands Nurkich. Like, the way he shows to sell it and play it off like it's some natural movement, it's just like insulting to the intelligence of everybody. Because it's like, everybody besides him understands that he looks like an idiot trying to pretend he's not just hitting somebody.

Here's the thing, though. I don't think that he, I don't think that he thinks that he's lying to us. us. Like, I don't think that she thinks that he is, like, telling some story, right? Because if you look, if you look at all the incidents, right, the Stephen Adams one, all these like flailing ones where he ends up hitting somebody, he kind of has the same explanation every time. So I think in his mind, he's like, oh, I'm just doing this, right? But we're all looking at it. So, like, I understand what he's saying. And I don't think that he's lying. But at the same time, I don't believe him because he clearly is lying because like he you're just too reckless to be doing this

over an eight year span literally since 2015 2016 you have hit somebody all out of pure recklessness every single year because you can't control your body as an NBA player so he's lying he knows what he's doing I'm not I'm not even going to try and be diplomatic than you are he knows exactly what he's doing we've all played with people that are over the aggressive and they're like oh my bad especially playing like you know football the things play football basketball football players there's always that one person that like throws a shoulder and they're just like my bad blah blah blah that's raymond green he knows exactly what he's doing and just plays it off every time this man just it seems like these days it's frustration right

this bitch is hilarious it's true as fuck i need him on w w monday night rye as soon as possible yeah do you guys feel like part of it is like you know it's always been a thing right I mentioned that he's always been this guy, but before he was co-leading a dynasty so like he could get away with it to some degree whenever you're the top of your game, like you can, you have more leeway for bullshit. Do you feel like part of the increased acts of violence the past 16 months is because the Warriors are just like not winning and because he's just not who he used to be? What every NBA player says is winning solves everything, everybody's happy, go lucky,

and you don't have a care in the world about anything else. when you're winning and the second that you you have a couple else on your schedule you know like that's when reality starts to set in and everybody's like pointing at everybody else for their own internal for their whatever internal issues and so like at this point in time the vibes just seem atrocious over there for the warriors and for someone it's especially like it's an amplified painful feeling it's loud as hell when it's like supposed to be the voice and the leader of your two. Yeah, exactly. Dremont Green. And that hits, that hits so hard in the soul, bro. And it's a thousand percent his fault too. The vibes are wrecked from the start

because of him. That's the crazy part. It's not even just like he's a part of the issue or he's not helping the issue. He is the issue entirely. Like their vibes were amazing in 2022 and they won the title. Wiggins was popping. Jordan Poole was a third splash bro. Stefan Dremont and Clay were winning just like they always have been. And then he punched Jordan Poole. And And for the lack of a better word, there was a vibe shift. It all goes back to him and it's been downhill since. Man, Jordan Poole shouldn't have been talking though. Like, listen, Jordan Poole wasn't acting like some, you know, like some divo who had just made it.

Maybe the dynasty would have still been together. Now, I'm not the excusing Dremont for punching the teammate. You can't do that, right? But let's not act like Jordan Poole wasn't out here chirping. But also at the same time. With whatever Jordan Poole said, allegedly he said, you're an expensive backpack. Pack for 30. It wasn't necessarily wrong.

You know what I'm saying? Should he have said it? I'm not, I'm not agreeing to him. But was he wrong? Probably not. Man, you know,

Dremont said some horrendous shit back. They're always talking shit, I'm sure. Just because he struck a nerve one time, doesn't mean Dremont can knock him the fuck out and ruin the team. Exactly. And with all this being said,

Dremon Green just loses a lot of, like, credibility and validity as a leader in voice in that locker room because you're out here doing the most reckless shit, literally doing the most detrimental shit to the team, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, 100%. And I feel like a lot of his leadership cachet comes from the fact that he's Curry's guy, clearly.

Curry wants him and Clay around him. That's a nucleus. Curry trusts them and they're his guys. I'm sure Curry defers to him a little bit as a leader because, you know, he's this lot of personality, not necessarily who Curry is and he understands the value of that. If he keeps doing this at a certain point, how much is Curry going to sit here and deal with? we've known for years that someone like lebron has like demanded his team put them in the best situation to succeed curries never need to move like that because they've had everything is that

going to maintain is he just going to sit here and deal with this guy doing this stuff he's suspended for probably another 10 games at least like when does that goodwill end it ends now it it ends now i think that like and even even like lebron in his tenure he's never had a teammate be this reckless and how they move. Like, he's had people who suck. And, like, that's easily fixable, right? You go upstairs and say, hey, listen, have the lock and cleaned out by 8 a.m. We're going to ship me this way.

Like, we can do that. Steph, on the other hand, like, you are actively, we're already down several players, right? Clay is washed up. Wiggins is playing, like, bust Andrew Wiggins again. Dremont, I need you to at least play 35 minutes a night. And you are out here knocking people out every day. two weeks. Like, we can't do this. And the meme that's been, that was going around for LeBron for the last two years when he started getting old, it's like, I'm 36. That's Steph Curry now.

Steph Curry's 35 years old. And he's looking around like, this is my last opportunity to actually win titles. And you are out here messing it up. I'm 36. Stop playing with me and my legacy and my title chances. Like, it ends now. That's what annoys me the most. Like, we're seeing an anomaly like we saw with LeBron James still being elite at this age. LeBron won Finals MVP at 35 with the Lakers. Curry's still good enough to do that.

It's so rare that we're going to see a player be this good this late in their career and just seeing it be wasted by not only Dremont, the entire team. You mentioned Andrew Wiggins is back to being Buss Wiggins. You're putting it politely. That motherfuckerucker is bad at everything he was good at now. Everything that made him valuable

in 2022 is just the opposite. He's bad at all of it. I guess we can transition enough from Dremont Slander to, like, talk about this team at large and, like, how Dremont's issues relate to everything else. But they have serious issues. And listen, they're two and a half games outside the 10 seed as the current 11 seed.

I don't know if they had the juice to come back and get into this playing race. Man, it's not looking good for them at all. And at the start of the season, we were all trying to figure out, we all knew how good the Western Conference was this year. There was no room for any BS. Every team needed to be on their toes.

You know what I'm saying? And my team was the Mavs. I forget which team. you guys had picking out. Maybe you had the Warriors, Isaac, not 110% sure. But regardless of the fact, the Warriors are that team. They're clearly several sets behind. And you have to start looking at every option possible. Everything has to be on the table when it comes to figuring out what needs to be done. And a couple weeks ago, I was like, yo, like, Steph Curry is still playing. He's playing as if he can be a top three player in the NBA or at least, very least top five player in

NBA for the next two to three years and we're talking about a top in my opinion 10 player ever here you have to do whatever it whatever it takes to put the best team around them to get you to get you guys another championship because you're never going to see another player like him ever again it doesn't matter so what does it take are we at the point now where we know they're not trading clay they're probably not trading draymond because curry wants them there are we at the point where that is what it takes like do you feel like he has to look in the mirror and like say we got to change something up like how it has to be a trade right yes it it has to be a trade and like draymond draymond's locked in and i think that the first two things that you have to do is

get draymond out in there and get clay out of there obviously clay's not going anywhere he's not going anywhere during the season right so this is like an option option thing you'll offer him whatever whatever's possible but he can't get what he wants because you You kind of need him out of there. So apparently, that's kind of work. According to Woolwich earlier today, he tweeted that the Golden State Warriors offered him like a two-year, $48 million contract, and dude didn't accept that. And so obviously he's looking for more money. And I generally don't think he deserves that.

And I'm fond of the warriors. I would throw heavy hesitancy to do that. And so with that being said, again, I know as much as people hate to even think of this happening. if Clay Thompson wears another jersey something must be going on with the universe the world exploded it's fake matrix is broken you know what I'm saying but it it needs to happen it needs to happen and I'm looking at him before I look at something like Draymond because I regardless of the on other on-court stuff that he's been doing the random physical activities he's been absolutely hooping this year yeah he's been hooping this year but that's the

annoying part that's the annoying part he's still so good and like still is close to what he was in 2022 if not exactly the same. And it's so frustrating because I spent a lot of time arguing on behalf of Draymond Green over the years. I'm sure Donovan can attest to it over the years in college, over the years online in all content creation forms.

I've been a pro-Dremon for years. I've always argued he's better than Clay always has been, like one of the best defenders of a generation, maybe even of all time. And he's made me not like him. Via acts of physical violence. It's like the the act is just getting old.

Yeah, it's old. I think that like, it's tough. But you come to a point in every dynasty where like people go, their separate ways. And whether that comes by like trade or even by like retirement, it even happened with the Spurs. Like Tony Parker ends his career in Charlotte, right? There just comes a time where it sucks,

but like that's pro sport. And so you're not always going to get to retire at the top with your guys with that same court. Because if that's the case, then you guys will be winning championships all the time. But I think with Dremont, the leadership aspect that we talked about earlier was 100% correct. Like his his credibility as a leader has obviously been diminished. But if he is not able to play a month of basketball straight without one of these things happening, then that is a legitimate problem. And if you have Clay Thompson, who at this point is, I'm going to say it, at this point

non-shooter, Andrew Wiggins, non-shooter. Oh, no, he shouldn't be shooting better lately, to be fair. Like, or the last, like, 10 games, he's close to 40%. Listen, I saw this man last night throwing up threes, hitting the side of the backboard, nothing, no rim, no rim, he's a non-shooter. No, Andrew Wiggins, non-shooter. Kavan Looney, non-shooter. Draymond Green non-suter.

You have four of your five players in your starting lineup of the Golden State Warriors looking like the Detroit Pistons with the amount of spacing and actual shooting threat that you have. A change has to be made. He has too much money on the books. He's too costly right now. Everybody looked the other way when he lost them in the finals because they went and got Kevin the rent. You almost lost the finals again because you were out here chirping on the podcast every two days, all that type of stuff. your time has come right you've done doing too much you're doing too much you only have so much

goodwill you can burn from all parties involved including your teammates and coaching staff like i can't imagine as good vibes with that whole team in there you know their GM left last year first year GM has to make some tough decisions it's got to be a nightmare in that building i guess we can transition this a little bit we talked at length about like they're fucked right i guess we can go towards what the title indicates and talk about how they rebuild this what they should do. Let's put together some moves and try to put together a version of the Warriors. Let's call it at the deadline if they were to make these moves that could potentially contend around stuff. Personally, I feel like that starts with benching Clay and starting Moses

Moody. Does that make sense? Yes. That's fine. Yeah, I like that. I like we're well past that. These young guys have to start, right? Yeah, 100%. Absolutely. Yeah. Clay needs to be addressed first. When it comes to pecking order, like, I'm sorry, I, we're going to what do you think of Jeremiah, I think he needs to remain starting up. There's no situation scenario where, you know what I'm saying? He's being dealt for your contract, still good, 40% from three this year, whatever. He's solid. Clay needs to be addressed and the Wiggins needs to be addressed.

And when it comes to rebuilding, yeah, I agree with that, Isaac. That's like the most keep the peace way thing or keep the peace type thing to do. I think Clay Thompson, I think Steve Kerr and Clay Thompson, yeah, I think in a post-game conference, He said something about possibly bringing someone off the bench and ruffling up that starting lineup or whatever. And Clay's probably the guy to do that. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I agree with that.

Another thing you can do, in my opinion, hey, put that man up for sale if he doesn't want to agree to that. Yeah, but what are they going to get for a $43 million expiring contract that for a guy who isn't good enough to be on the team that fits him most? You know, like, who's jumping for joy to acquire expiring Clay Thompson and give up anything of value that'll make the Warriors better this year? a team that's in a similar is situation and predicament expiring contract for expiring contracts

makes sense in my mind and the specific team that I'm looking at it's a team like the torn wrappers yep what are they gonna do with clay like they're fantastic alongside scotty barnes it's not like you want you want him pairing him you want it's not like you want this long-term duo to be a carrier feature whatever it's just like he's helping scottie barnes get his reps in and learn how to develop extra as a playmaker with all that space. And that's

that's the value I see with the Raptors, but no one cares about the rats right now. We'll talk about them later. More so for the, um, more so for the Warriors. I think if the Raptors traded Pascal Siakum for the corpse of Clay Thompson, there would be massive violence in Toronto across the city. Well, hold on. Not also for the corpse of Clay Thompson. They'd have to tack on something else. Um, though again, I, the Warriors have every single pick. that they every single pick that they have is theirs you know what I'm saying they don't own anybody anything and I think they could make this work I think they can make this way now there's a oh they owe 2024 that's the only one oh really too I think to

Portland I think is it's it's a lottery protected is it lottery protected yeah it can be zoom in a little bit yeah it's protected top four so they're not going to get top four picks so Portland you're getting that first round pick this year congratulations but yeah okay let's start from the top I think it involves benching clay at least we can talk about if there's a trade out there for him the most obvious trade that

actually makes sense I think undoubtedly is trading Chris Paul's contract along with draft capital maybe John the Cominga if there's a really enticing piece who would y'all want to see that package we dealt for I mean that you if you are doing that you're going to have to get either

like the perfect role player which at this point I guess everybody's dream role players, O.G. And so it would either be that or you would have to go Star Hunting. At the beginning of the year, I would have thought that Cat would have been one of the people that we could kind of target. But now that the Timor was a rolling, they're probably off that a little bit. Yeah, he's not available. Yeah. So I guess it's O.G. It's Pascal. I was trying to think of other like big name forwards that could kind of like fit with them. Like how much do you believe in in Kyle Kuzma coming in? It's just.

I would like that. I would like that a lot, actually. Yeah. Those are the kinds of names. I just don't think that there's a big move for them at the deadline that legitimately sky rockets their chances to win a title right now. Yeah, Sky Rockets isn't happening, but there has to be a move made. They're not going to sit on their hands.

And I, do you all agree Chris Paul's probably the one that's easiest to trade? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. He's the easiest, but also the hardest at the same time because he has a fat-ass contract. It's expiring. Yeah, you're right. It's expiring, but just making it work on the books to get that transaction through. It's going to do, you have to, you're going to have to do some mad calculations.

Do you like Siakum there? Let's ask that question first. Let's go, let's go real estate target by real estate target. Do you even like the fit of Seaccombe with Dremon Green? Because Dramon is four years left. He's not going nowhere. It's not what I do like it. I do like it.

I think if I've seen what it looks like with Dremon and Kavan Looney and the fact that you can have somebody else out there. who can create their own offense and who can still like who can space the floor at least more than kubon can that that's that's kind of encouraging so i would i would like it and it would be a massive upgrade and talent um so that would right now that's the that's a number one move in my mind for them to make okay is to go get past go do you agree do we want to start there with that being the first trade personally yeah i don't i'm not sure if i love the move but the warriors have to do something. Pascal Seyakum's not a center, so it'll be kind of interested to see how you try to

force him or Dremont to be that full time. You know, Dremont would be a better, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I like it a lot better than what they already have. Anything. All right. Nikiel, let's pull the trade machine. Let's figure out how to make this work. This is going to be the first step of our Warriors rebuild. We're getting Pascal Seaccom on the Warriors. Let's figure out a way that makes sense for both sides. Obviously, it involves Chris Paul being the celery filler. Pascal Siakum's expiring. There's going to be bidders of the deadline. Is two first-on-picks enough?

Yeah. It depends on... That's fine. Masai Ujiri took his meds that day. If you were the Raptors, would you take Chris Paul and two first-on picks for Pascal Seacom? I think that's an enticing trade because it depends on how deep those first-arm picks are, first-and-fakes are, first-and-farmes. But regards to the fact, yes, because the warriors are very clearly on the last stages of their

era and yeah for me they can't trade 2024 so it'll be 2026 and 2028 as the two picks traded you should do this in a heartbeat because that's at that time curry would be what 38 39 pushing 40 yeah unikil you put a second round pick for 2026 and you remove those two and put the first round pick for 2026 and the first on pick for 2028 yeah that gets us to 30 million from the warriors and 37 million from the raptors is it The second apron thing isn't already a thing, right? So can this be pushed through? Let's try it.

With this year, I think it can. It cannot. Because the Warriors cannot complete this trade. They are an apron team. Okay, so we need some more money. Are you willing to send away Jonathan Camingo as well? Yeah. I do that in heartbeat.

There's no way you can have someone like Draymond, Pascal, and Camingo on the same team, three player, three big forwards who are, you know what I'm saying, for the most part, non-shooters. Even though Pascal can shoot genuinely, he's just not having a great year. Yeah, I would be more than happy than throwing, for throwing coming into this. We don't have to, though.

We could also do the salary of Gary Payton. Do you think it takes two firsts on picks and Camingo for Siakum? Probably, probably, just because there's still a little bit of untapped potential with Kaminga. I think that you know kind of exactly what you're getting with Gary Payton. And if you're starting over, like if you're the Raptors and you make, this deal you're clearly saying I'm starting over and so you would get the money off the books you have the two first on picks in four years or I guess in two years and then in four years

let me get something that I can work with right now and see if I can turn into something so I think coming it has to be a part of this deal okay well so coming it has to be a part do we try to take away one of the first round picks or at protections like it's it's a lot right it's Messiah though and he is going to ask for a lot if the word on the street with that that he was asking for four first round picks for OG, he's going to ask for two for Pascal, whether they like him or not. That's just going to be the price.

I think that's great value either way. All right. Nikiel, try the trade. It looks at this is going to be the first round pick. Two first round picks. Then granted, these are the only first round picks they have to trade. So are you guys really comfortable with Siakum being your all-in-draft capital move? Yeah.

I'm comfortable. This is the best deal that you are going to. going to get what other star out there is available i don't know maybe he's not a star though maybe you're just going for role players that fit i doesn't necessarily have to be a star you have to get a second if if draymond is going to be this volatile and you don't know on a night to night basis in a playoff series like is he going to be able to play six to seven games every single series i need to have somebody else on my team who i can count on and if clay's not going to be the guy, then Siakum has to be it.

And you need, like, actual all-star star talent. What makes, yeah, what makes, like, these entire trade discussions a little bit more complicated in my head is that a lot of teams don't appear to be selling. And every team in the NBA, outside of maybe like four or five, aren't, are like seriously trying to compete or contend for something. And the teams that will be selling soon, they haven't shown their cards or just. just yet. And so as we speak right now, yes, I think this is the best move possible. And with that being said, you walk away with this happy. Although Pascal Seatham is a free agent,

obviously you don't want to do this without having side conversation, DMs, or meet them at whatever, speak easy. It doesn't matter. You have to secure your future. Let them walk away for no reason or for nothing. So I'd be happy with that. All right. Question, question for you. Would you would you make a run at Lowry marketing if you're the Warriors see we can't now we go

well yeah not now not now but just like in the grand scheme of things if it if it was on the table of like should we go after Pascal should we make an offer to Utah for Lowry

how do you guys think that that would fit because that's been a name where I'm like Utah low key can be sellers at the deadline get some more picks like Keante George looks really good

Walker Kessler is good like they're not contrary Lowry Larry is their guy he's their cornerstone franchise player. I think people want him to be traded. That's why it's a discussion. I don't really see why they would. You think he's a franchise

player? Yeah, I think that's a straight. Like untouchable franchise player. I mean, not, I'm not saying he's Shaggildos Alexander, but you're in their situation and you found an all-star. He's legitimately a great player. Why would you not use it as a foundation? You know, like they're trying to win. They're like, yeah, this is what gets on.

He's young. He's young and he's great. He was drafted in 2016 or 2016. He's been in for like eight years. Yeah. He's 26 years old. He's in his praise the beginning of his prime. That's a young star. You know what this is? This is like two years ago and everybody wanted them to trade Shea because they're so young and rebuilding.

And people were like, he doesn't fit your timeline of a Josh Giddy or whoever. But they have an all star in the building. That's a player you make these trades to try and find. I don't know why they would get rid of him as soon as they found him and like nurtured that star. For me personally, I love Larry Martin. The only reason why I'd consider giving him away is because of the assets I know. that I could get for him. And although, like, yeah, like,

Laurie could be a cornerstone piece and he's a legit all-star caliber player. We literally saw him become an all-star last year. Me personally, if the right team gave me that, gave me an offer, do me, say, three first-shan picks. I am definitely listening. I am definitely listening.

Exactly. Everybody wants to talk about Sam Presti and the Thunder getting all these assets. Who do you think did it first? Who do you think what was about this life about accumulating all these draftings? Danny Ainsh, Danny Ains would do anything for a first-round graphic, okay?

And if the Warriors came calling, I think they would listen. Yeah, but with that being said, I don't think the Warriors have deep enough pockets or even should consider trying to trade for Larry Mark. And that's why I wasn't the first thing out in my head. And actually, I think, yeah, like, Lari's probably, he's definitely obviously a better fit.

He's one of the best big man shooter in the NBA right now, but that would cost him a pretty penny, and that's not worth the investment at all. Okay. Okay, so let's go through the Seyakum trade. Now we're looking at a lineup of Curry at point guard, Seaccombe at power forward, and Draymond at center. And that leaves us still with Clay at shooting guard

and Wiggins at small forward. Which do you want to bench Clay? Is that the move or do you guys want to try and want to trade for him? No, let's bench him for right now. If we're doing stuff in season, trading clay would ruin any hope of good vibes that you already had. Yeah. But at the same time, while you see that,

your vibes will be even worse once next year starts and you're paying him $30, $35 million a year that he's going to demand. Call Iguodal. Call Andre Aguadala. Get another adult in the room and be like, listen, I went to the bench, right? My career worked out pretty well. Clay, listen, we guys, like, you got to do it for the squad. Get Igwe dollar back in the building.

That's honestly what they need. They don't have OG. How do you guys about Wiggins? So obviously now we have Wiggins left here. That's currently going to be the small forward. There's no more first-on-picks left, only pick swaps. Do we want to try and trade him for another piece that isn't playing like Dogwater? Or stick with him and write it out.

Hope he can get back to 2022 for him. Trade his ass away. Oh, okay. Immediately. Don't get for a chance. We're not on the same page. Not at all. We got to lock in.

Why? Okay. So why are we training Wiggins? bro okay first and foremost trade wiggins for better spacing that's what i'm thinking about of having siacum seacum and draymond and wiggins two of them could easily have an off nine they're not naturally shooters they're made their offensive game specifically siacum and wiggins they apply a lot of pressure on the room for the most part wiggins has a bag and you can do other things also but i want to get another natural shooter who gives steph and siacum

more than enough room to breathe. Well, who's available that fits that mold then? It's not about who's available. Who's a better, I'd start Clay and I would look for a solid role player coming off the bench. All right, like who are we looking at with the Wiggins straight?

Because Wiggins, in theory, good defensive wing. That's an incredibly viable and hard to come by. So who are we seeing out there that's going to be a better fit that makes sense to get rid of that asset? I don't know that's why I just think like the upside of Wiggins is so high that I think if you trade him I don't I don't think you're going to be able to get equal value especially like be able to still keep a core that is very very competitive right now I think you're going to have to give up too much especially considering that we just got off with two first round picks

and traded Chris Paul like all of your moves were to get Siakum At this point, it is what it is. You just have to ride out with whatever you got. I don't think you can trade Wiggins. Yeah. It's also just tough because you don't have any picks left. Exactly. You went all in.

Unless you're going to get rid of Moody, too, and keep Clay in the starting lineup, then the team gets real thin. No, yeah. We can't get rid of Moody. That's impossible. All right. Andrew Wiggins, congratulations. You can stay in San Francisco.

You don't have to go anywhere. His key card is valid for another season. Yeah, it's still. So now we're looking at a team that has Curry, Moody, Wiggins, Seacum, and Draymond. The bench has Clay, Sarich, GP2, pods, and who else am I thinking of that would be on the bench? Oh, Corey Joseph.

I said Sarich. Oh, cool. Corey Joseph, and I guess that's the main rotation. Oh, and Looney. That's what I was thinking of. So, question for you guys. What is the goal of this rebuilt? do you have to win a championship or give him the best chance to win a championship yes

two different things in my opinion how do you mean yeah what does that mean if you want to give him the best chance to win a championship then you're satisfied with this lineup if you want to win a championship genuinely then you literally sell everything you did you do something like what the los angeles clippers did and just empty the clip you don't give a fuck about any clip any picks for the future and we just did don't we have like two left over picks no i know we know we're no i mean okay i think i guess in your in your scenario we get off of the pick swaps as well and you make another move with those but like if you don't have like who are you going to go and get that's that's the big question is that if we don't have a name in mind about who's who we're

going to trade wiggins and trade these pick swaps for and see who can fix that hole then you might as well just stay where you are and keep your flexibility for the next two years and even for the off season and maybe something else happens there. I think this lineup here is good enough to where they can win a playoff round with this.

You can compete for the conference finals and then at that point you just have to hope that Curry goes God mode and carries you to a finals. Okay. Yeah, there's also, there's no more first-on picks the trade. So very limited flexibility left.

It would have to be like a player-based trade, which you don't really see very much these days. Most trades involve picks of some type. Yeah, that's very true. So who are we going to, who are we getting? I guess I feel comfortable with this roster, way more coming than what they are right now. And we did a good job. Steph Curry, you once again have a chance.

We saved your career. Sounds like Mike Dunham needs to bring us on the team. Yeah, going all in Ziacom is just like that's your move. if they have to give up that much for him because you got no more interesting players you can't trade Moody if you're going to be benching clay no more tradeable first on picks

like this is the squad and you gotta hope you can resign Seaccom good they are in hell this isn't even that great this is like you're in hell this is your championship team do you yeah that was going to be my question too

do you think this team will win a championship prize capability fuck no no they are not winning a champion with this no the only way that they win a championship is if we are controlling them while playing 2K that's the only

way this is real life basketball a championship is not happening yeah dang so it's over we did the best we could this is what this is what's on the table take it to leave it Curry you got a better chance you did yesterday

yeah that's all you can do that's all you can do and it's all about timing in the NBA I wash my hands with it we tried brother sick out's hands so that wraps up us rebuild the Warriors

I think we can move on from rebuilds that was fun we've had so much talk about despair with the Warriors I think we move on to another team that is in despair of which relates especially to one of us and also brings joy to another one of us. Let's talk about the Atlanta Hawks.

Let's do it. Mo, stop looking around. Stop looking around. I'm trying to avoid the question. Look straight at me. Look straight at me. All right. I was gaslit for months coming into the season.

Talking about, oh, the Hawks are going to be better than the Knicks. We might be top four. That's not happening. And not only, my bad. Not only am I going to take a victory life in December. I'm going to tell you right here, to your face.

I need my money. I need my $200. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what money? What $200? Did you not read the contract that we initially signed? It was double or nothing. Double or nothing meaning I get $200 will be coming back. You'll get nothing, sir.

That's literally not how that works. Either way. Yes, it is. No, it is. That is literally what double or nothing means. We both put up $100. And so I quote unquote lost. And so I'm saying double or nothing.

So whoever wins this next one gets the double. here's the thing you just don't know what double or nothing means yeah you've been finessed your entire life is what that tells me

someone robbed your last when you were younger that's not true you were a hundred dollars in the hole so that you went double or nothing to try it out of the hole which means if you win

you get nothing exactly if I get that right if I get my stop stop playing with me stop playing with me

no no no I'm not going to do this I'm not going to do this I need my money Okay, and I'm coming for every dollar, okay, for every dollar. And nobody, listen, I was lied to for months coming into this pod. I'm not going to be lied to right now. I need my money the next time I see everybody. That's not what that means.

I'm not playing. I'm not money. This man spent a year after college working as a writer at a sports betting company and he doesn't know how betting works. I am not. First of all. You said, don't worry or nothing. Oh, my God. Okay.

I'm on a real time out I'm gonna look this up okay y'all go well tell us tell us why your team sucks on a real note

we are ass as s two cans of ass bbl type ass humongous the type of ass that we are right now shit seems fake

how can we get worse we only lost one player we lose one player jail and Johnson goes down and all of a sudden he's the saving grace

of our team no y'all though he's fucking great him going down alone should not cause us to be this type of ass so anyways why are we asked yeah man it's a lot of reasons Isaac do you what's a reason do you think that you think we think we're ass first of all let's tell people the context of this as we were about to start recording mo had to wait a second because he was watching the warrior i mean the hawks playing as the raptors a team he has actively hated on since the inception of the show he was like

I'm watching a Tray Young master class and then 10 minutes after that he was like oh my god if you lose I'm gonna go break some shit and they lost to the Raptors A team who has been so bad They were the reason we thought about Rebuilding teams for this episode

because they need to blow that shit up And they beat the Hawks And guess what else They scored 130 on the Hawks A bottom 10 offense in the league So that should tell you your answer The problem is they can't defend a fucking thing Not a zip

Yep Everybody's ass Jalen Johnson's gone They don't have that shot blocker Klingapela 2019 Klincapella is not walking through those doors Dejante Murray hasn't fixed the defense Like people thought they would when they brought him in

Trey Young is still Trey Young Though I did see some Hawks fans having propaganda On the time of the day saying his defense has gotten better I haven't seen it But maybe people that watch our Hawks every day have I don't know what the answer is That's not anything That's not any real point to bring up at all

The defense is the last You let the Rafters drop like 130 on your head. No OT needed. Distraint of regulation. Bro, 48 minutes? That's not real. Yeah, so there's so many things going on with this team. And all we can do, all I can do is a Hawks fan and just sit down and think about where all this went wrong. And it all went wrong when Travis Slank left our team. He made a few ears here and there or whatever. but since he left we have had been plagued by a terrible case of nepotism um nepotism yeah

you got never made you running around yeah yeah bro because our owner his name is tony wrestler and he has his son on in the fields making basketball decisions for us his son has good he has no real he has no real experience in any professional world um in the NBA specifically So there's that training for Dejante Murray hasn't been the most beautiful outcome. I don't want to put the entire blame on him, but he is a part of why we're not that great. Dejante is the second worst player in the NBA when it comes to finishing inside the paint. He is frail. Really?

He does his dirty work in the mid-range. And as a late in this season, he's been a fantastic three-point shooter. you know that's that's come along very well for him but at the start of the season seemed great he was in my opinion we're during the first five games the best part on the hawks but now things have been looking bleak and he was as of recently in a shooting slub so his defense also hasn't been as potent and impactful as you'd like to see and then on top of that the most atlanta hawks player ever is dionre hunter he is the definition of just mid he's not complete ass he can look good But for the most part, he's just not really that impactful.

It can look like he's not even on the court sometimes. So it's a whole lot. Anya Kono hasn't made that leap also. So in my opinion, this team needs to just get blown the fuck up. And we need to do some deep work inside. And that starts with our front office. Serious dysfunction causes dysfunction to spread and leak everywhere. It's like a bad, bad pipe in the house.

We just have terrible infrastructure. Dang. Tough. This team has lost five straight games. coincidentally Jaylon Johnson has been out for I think

eight games they fell off a cliff as soon as he went out we talked about it in previous episodes he has been the one silver lining of this season

for the Atlanta Hawks he's emerging as a truly high level starter a guy we can imagine potentially moving towards being a low level all star one day

two way player highly efficient score one of their only good positive defenders has legit room protection skills basically everything

they suck at he's good at now he's gone So the one guy who could do these things well in this team From the forward position is no longer there And they fell off a cliff as expected Like it's tough I don't know what the answer is for them

Maybe it is blowed up like you said And even when he was here We were still like mid as hell You know what I'm saying We were still like five and five Six and eight type shit You know what I'm saying But we were like

We were at least like in the hunt Of just being mid Now we're just fucking bad Straight up ass Keep going I love hearing this keep going Shut up I'm gonna keep going

I'm not talking. You're going to get this. Let's talk about the Knicks. What do you want to talk about? I'm going to say about the next. Yeah, not. Not, yeah. But I pile it on the Hawks.

They're trash. So, okay, so from the jump, I've said it every time we talk about the Hawks. I've never once for a second believed in the Jean-Tier Murray trade. Time of making the trade, I was like,

why would this be your all in move to get a point guard to pair at your point guard? I think it's fucking dumb. especially a point guard that isn't a particularly good shooter. Now, he's gotten better. He has good shooting stats, so he's not like a non-shooter to that degree. But we know there's a difference between guys who can make three and have a good percentage versus guys that actually spaces the floor can come off screens,

be a really effective spot-up shooter that people aren't going to help off of, come off a dribble handoffs and pull up, pull up from quick and roll, all the sorts. Things that we know Trey Young is good at. He needs a guy next to him that can at the very least also be a shooter that has impact to, you know, be able to facilitate Trailes' playmaking skills. Never was DeJante Murray, never has been.

I think that it's not his fault they suck, but it's his fault because that's the one all-in move they made to be not trash, and he doesn't elevate them like you'd have to be to warrant that type of draft picks given up. Yeah, exactly. And what makes the situation even more sick? Again...

More sick. Yeah, like, again, DeJante-Murie has been as good you could hope he could be a side of like him not being able to finish it because he's so frail um is that we are out of our 2026 pick you have a 2027 pick swap in 2028 we don't have a pick you know what i'm saying so this is the only year that we have our pick until the next three years we have no flexibility whatsoever and so you know what was that i love you know Nikiel's showing a YouTube video And he just had a crazy ad pop up

I said calling all dead You know these ads are personalized to you I texted him earlier When he was trying to pull up some He was trying to pull up some highlights I said get YouTube premium And it was for his own safety Because I knew something like this is coming up

He's being exposed Calling all dads I don't know where that was going He's a weeb with a child That's crazy A weep with a child It's crazy Nickale

Feel free to jump on the mic and defend yourself Explain yourself What was that Let's hear it It's sorry You're in 4K You're done for You're done

Yeah it happens That's hilarious It happens as the best of this man It happens as the best of this But Donovan We're still here Comment daddy to kill Yeah that's crazy

He's so mad He's so good at that's so fast It's hilarious Common to kill is my dad We're still here N-I-H-I-L I'm dead I'm dead

But That's hilarious Quick question You're gonna ask a question Yeah Donovan What would you do To try to improve this team

um fine god fine god yeah i i think i think for them you have to move off of de jante um and i know that you just gave him the extension but clearly like training extension too yeah and again he's he's playing well but this might be the best opportunity to trade him his his value might be at it's peak right now, but Trey's obviously your franchise and you are going to want to keep him, Jalen Johnson's surgeons this year,

you're going to want to keep him. Whether or not you feel that Anya can take that eventual step, that's going to be the question, because if not, you can potentially move off of him to make another move, right? Maybe just keep rolling with Clint Capella

and just give up on that experiment, but you're going to have to, you're going to have to find people who actively, improve your defense because what we've seen, and we talked about this last time with the Hawks is that we've seen with Quinn Snyder-led teams is that the defense is not necessarily going to be a priority. And a lot of that was covered up because you had Rudy Gobert in the back in the back end manning everything. But if you're not going to have a three-time defensive player

that you're doing that, everybody else is going to have to be a personal challenge for the other guys to play defense because structurally they're just not going to be incentivized to do that. So Dejante is going to have to get traded and yaku is going to have to get traded and a lot of your top assets are going to have to start moving and you're going to have to start getting that process of what is the next era of Hawks basketball look like. Yeah. They're cooked. Which is tough.

They're stuck in mid. Yeah. Yeah. I think they would need the perfect opportune star player to become available that would need. need of young point guard could use a can this hawks trade two draft picks or just one can they trade 2030 and 2024 uh i don't think they could trade 2030 right well they actually they can

yeah they can so they could trade 2024 oh actually know the oh yeah okay yeah they have their own 24 pick and then they had 2030 two first round picks there's auntie murray if there's the perfect star available that could get you somebody interesting but i don't see that star walking through these doors they don't want demard rosen they don't want Zach Levine. Maybe they'll get you an OG and an OB. Maybe they get you a Pascal Seaccom. But at that point, I don't think those players are good enough to get rid of Jante for it.

So you kind of stuck. Do you get rid of Dejante for depth? That is the only way at this point in time. Like, we need players. The, the back, back when we were our, the back when we were at our best, we had just a lot of impactful players on our roster. John Collins was actually an impactful player back in 2021. And also in this current year or don't I disrespect him or anything, but point is, players who left a real impact on the defense event and lock up when shit was important.

Guys like a Delon Wright, I miss his ass, you know what I'm saying? You're down bad. I know. I'm going to talk about Delon Wright. We've never said his name in the history of TD3. Every single video we made out of 500, whatever videos or whatever it might be, we've never said his name. And I'm here saying, I miss Delon Wright.

I'm in the trenches. Can we please just can we switch conversations, fuck? Yeah, man. Listen, And do the Nets want him for Doran, Finney Smith, Royce O'Neill, Packager role players? I would do that personally. That's, I like that actually. I like that actually. That frees DeJante and get, okay, listen.

8K proof right here. You don't know what you have until it's gone. That's what this is. For audio listeners, we have a tweet pulled up from at Mojo 99 underscore. Get De Lawn Right. These were typed in lowercase letters. Off my team, man. Typed in uppercase letters.

Listen. I did not know how good I had life back then at all. I'm so sorry for all the Lahn Wrights. That was three months. That was tweeted three months after the Get Delon Right off my team tweet. Yeah. This is great. Listen.

Yeah, man, the Hawks are down bad. And like, it just couldn't be me. Like, I couldn't imagine rooting for a team that didn't just win the in-season tournament. that isn't a top four team in the West can playoff time. That doesn't have two superstars. That doesn't have the six men of the year. That doesn't have four six, eight wings that can defend. We're just going to leave it at that.

The Atlanta Hawks, and including me, we are in purgatory. This is the worst position to be as an NBA fan. A team that's supposed to be good, but you're genuinely ass and you give up picks to be good. And you're not. Your ass.

I'll say that. God, man. Okay. Mo, I left my watching home. Do you know what time it is? Oh, shit. Plug just hit me. Folks, it's TikTok time.

Let's get this shit wrong. The Creon Eaters and issues. They need it. They need it. I felt that shit in my chest. I knew you'd come through. Oh, man. Welcome to TikTok time.

As always, we're going to begin with the draft. This time, we're going to do a lineup draft, making the biggest NBA lineups possible. One through five, we're going to draft some. Massive motherfuckers. A tallest line as possible. This is crazy. Donovan's first pick.

I'm second pick. Most third pick. I got the perfect spot. Let's do it. Where are we starting? I have to go with, listen, I could go two ways, but I want actual good players on my team.

So give me Yao Ming at my center. Oh, okay. Okay. You know what? You're going to go with height first. I'm going to go with girth. Give me Shaquille O'Neal in my center. Damn.

That's good. That's good. You want to talk about big. I'm large. Okay. You're doing that. I like that. So to double up,

speaking of large, just give me Zion Williamson. No one's getting through me. And then give me trade request Hardin. He's, hey, trade request Hardin's a different breed. We never seen nobody's shapes up like that before ever.

That's a good. That's a deep. You want to talk about large? got it down. Next pick. You know what? Give me the ultimate size mismatch. Give me Magic Johnson at point guard.

Okay. Okay. You can't get bigger than that, the point card. Listen, I'm still going with height at my four. Give me, give me the Frenchman. Give me Wembe. No, I wanted him so bad. Damn, okay.

You know he was going to be on my team. You know that. You got seven four and seven six. Listen, and at my two, Give me one of the most iconic big man ever Glenn Big Baby Davis Tugard, who That's a two guard

We're getting nasty here I like it, sir Big Baby is a two guy Listen, baseline jumpers to death You know what You picked Wemby, you got me on the height I'm catching up as best as I can Give me Christos for Zingis at the power forward Tingis, Pinguish, okay

Verticality Okay Verkali I like it Tinkis Pinkets is a solid pick All right So for me

I think I need another lengthy dude in this bitch too Go ahead Yeah I'm moves on to the four Go ahead and give me

Taco Fall at the 5 I just need someone big I need a tree down there Because I stay no chance as you speak Okay Taco Fall is a hilarious cut Give me Taco Fall

And then, oh, you know what I could do now? Speaking of big, they call this man the round mound, a rebound apparently. You know Charles Barkley at the fucking three. You are taking your team's bigness a very different direction than I. Listen. You guys take my team to a different direction. Yeah, listen, you found a market and you're cornering it. I better see Ravenfeld, never mind.

No, I had him on the list, but not. At the two, give me the biggest guy who's never wanted to be big a day in his life, but he can't help it. Kevin Durant at the two. Ah, okay, that's all right. Okay, we're going to hide there. The most dishonest seven-footer. Dishonest seven-footer is hilarious. All right.

At my three, give me the person that everybody says was Wembe before Wemby. give me bowl bowl at my food and then at my one i need somebody who can go up against most team right i need a big body at the one give me kenny lofton junior oh your team is hard let's go i have a perfect mix of big and big your team your team is a deep bag for no reason your team is cooking I don't know what I'm doing, bro. Who is stopping Kenny Lofton full force? Full speed. Kenny Lofton?

Sounds like a hospital. You're going to kill magic. Back in the hospital. Kenny Loft and Yalmi and Pickin'Rowls is insane. Listen, I'm going for the tallest person I can possibly find east position while maintaining some realism. Give me another seven footer, Lavery Markman. Okay. Okay.

I got a height. Respect, Lowry, you know. You got a height, but you have no serious weight on your team other than Shaq. You got one big boy. It's a lot of way.

I got four soon to be five. You're going to be put in the hospital, in the ER. Go ahead and give me current day Mike Bibby. You guys ain't going to shit. I am bulletproof, man. Are you kidding me? Current day, Mike Baby.

He is a unit. I could have my entire team not only play basketball, But I could have them cook for me I could have them be my security guards I could have them do anything for me And I'm straight for life You just drafted a bouncer

As your point out of facts These teams are hilarious I feel like we can get bigger Mo big a six man Oh man hold on We want a six man You want to get big Give me Michael Sweetie

350 pound big back baby Bubba he is the unit I need him on my team I need him on my team he's the one he's the one he's the ultimate mismatch you have Shaq he ain't seen no sweetie before in his life he's a truck look him up to your research big back baby Bubba that's what I call it Back, baby, what is that? Nothing's popping up. I don't know who this bed is. You don't know who it is?

Oh, my God. Are you crazy? Who is Michael Sweetie? How do you spell this? Hold on. Let me say, G. Brad. Oh, my God.

Who is it? There you go. Now, Mo has a squad. Mo has a squad. He has a squad. He has a squad. He has a former New York. Nick averaged three points

and two and a half. per game unit at his peak he was two 348 the unit I'm my six man I'm all team length this episode give me more length give me Sean Bradley

okay okay okay that's good that's seven four that's late right that's late you clearly yeah listen you clearly have a style basketball that you want to play and I like that All right. And my sixth man.

You better be who I think you're picking. You don't know who I'm picking. I promise you that. And my sixth man, give me bright big country Reeves. This man was seven feet two 90 unit. I need big country on my team. Big country. That's a big country for the unions.

Big country. Big country. It's tough. I'm mad you didn't pick Bobon. Bobon. No. Man, you should.

Boban would have been hard. Boban would have been hard. If it was me, Donovan, I would have picked Simbular. I would have gone real next. Well, it was between big country, it was between big country and Manute Bowl to have the, to have the father's son, but I just need a little big country nickname. That's hilarious. So my team, Magic Johnson, Kevin Durant, Larry Markman, Tenghis Pinguish, Shaq, and Sean Bradley.

Nice length My team I have Kenny Laughton Jr. at the 1 Big Baby Davis at the 2 Bo Bo at the 3 Wimby at the 4 Yalming at the 5 Big Country

Bryant Reeves at the 6th man Now this is large None of your team has a chance to get through my team And any figure of life that you think can think of I got current day Mike Bibi Trade Request Hardin

Brown Mound to Rebound Rebound Charles Barkley Zion on Taco Fall and Big Back Baby Bubba Michael Sweetie. We moving out here. Big back thing. This is the most unhinged drafts I've ever fucking seen. Yeah.

Oh my God. I think honestly, Donovan might have the most well-rounded team. He has, you have a bunch of sticks. Bro, I have Big Baby at the two. Like, listen. You have Big Baby at the two, but he also have Bobo and Yao Ming. Look out range. Big Baby at the two.

Listen, on defense, on defense, we're running a zone and bowl, Bo, Bo, Wembe, and Yama, they're just going to hold hands around the three-point line. You're playing a different type of defense, innovative. I like it. I'm crying. I got big baby at the two and shit well-round. He's just rounded. Scammer. Scammer of the year.

God. I thought we were drafting like real tea. This is a real team. This is never going to happen. Let's make it that spice Adam shorts off. I can't believe he's one of the same shows I'm wearing. He means fucking six seven good God. Six seven we're wearing five and seam shorts and it's ridiculous. He thinks he's jerseky. He should have dropped a jisky. Oh shit That's good All right time out Next video

I'm going to get crazy Oh Next thing we're going to do I don't even know Or take it from here I'm fucking trying to recover Oh you want to say your team For the audio listeners

Real good Before we move on Oh yeah again For the audio listeners My team is Current day Mike Bibby Trade Request Harden Charles Barkley

Mound Round and rebound Of course At the four Zon Williamson, five, Taco Fall, and sixth man is Michael Sweetney, a.k.a. Big, back, baby, Bubba. Love it. Next thing we're going to do, man, let's just keep it all funny moments. Let's keep the laughs rolling.

Next thing we're going to do, we're going to look at some NBA moments, and we're going to decide from 1 to 10 how funny it was. Okay. The NBA legit is like the funniest league in the world. There's just something that's stupid happening every night. Well, this is Mo's host. Well, why don't you show these moments? It's going to be a classic man.

Rate how funny these NBA moments are from scale of 1 to 10. All right, so number one is Kyrie flicking off Boston Celtics fans during his return. I don't even think I've ever seen this, actually. This is amazing. Really? You never seen this? I think I missed this. This was the day he stepped on lucky.

This was great. This was hilarious. All the Boston fans and everything that they always say, this was fantastic. And to do it so discreetly and just like, um, You got to get ready for the inbounds. No, this is great. I give this like an eight. It's not even a good eight.

Yeah. The best part is they deserve it. You know this is given to a group of people that 100% deserve whatever they got. There's no doubt of my mind, these Boston Celtics, there's no doubt in my mind, these Boston Celtics fans deserve both middle fingers. Yeah, exactly.

This wasn't even that discreet. Kairi was on one since he woke up, bro. He was running around the arena that day. Though he was spreading incense around everywhere, bro. Stombed on Lucky, he was ready for this. He knew exactly what he wanted to do. Now, he chose chaos that morning. Eight it is.

What's next? Next up, we got the time the Denver Nuggets mascot passed out mid-air during this moment, bro. They brought him down, security had to check on his ass. He was gone. This is funny for a couple reasons. One, this has to be in the job description that you can handle stuff like this, right? They asked you about this in the interview and you should lie to their face that you cannot handle this. Two, the kids in the crowd had to be so scared and like, Rocky died.

He's dead. Bro, body lipped in a motherfucker. If I'm a kid, I'm thinking, did I just witness a public lynching? Like, what's going on here? Did I just do this to make it? Hanged? Good God. I can't believe you took it there.

It looks like it. Hanging from the top. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Wow. This is just crazy. I would be mortified if I was a child there. This is the seven.

As an a kid, I'd be horrified. As an adult, I'm crying laughing at all the kids that were scared. I don't care. This was my favorite mascot. I would have to cover.

I would have to cover my kid's eyes. It would be like, you know, totally. And I'm doing it. I'm covering it up. And I'm like, You're fucked

You're fucked What's What's next Seven Okay, cool What do you rate this, Donovan? I'll go eight These are all very funny

It's got to be a 10 to me, man What's next? Next up We got Dremont Green slapping the shit out of You know, this would be funny, but I'm at the point. This man is just a serial assaulter. I'm just like sick of it. It's not funny anymore. It's irritating. He deserved that suspension 100%. Listen, I think in the moment last night, it was, it was annoying. 24 hours later, I'm crying. This is hilarious. He literally just can't stop himself from assaulting somebody. He just got home. He just got off of parole. And he's a repeat of Factor.

He has an addiction to mollywapping. He sees, he sees a face, a punchable face, and his hand just starts talking to him like the green goblin. Like, you know you want to do it. You know you want to slap him. Like, he can't help it. The best part is, you're right, because all Nurgut did was slightly tug his jersey in the post. And he was like, nope, helicopter modes of butter up and mallewop to the face is crazy. He snaps. He has no self-control.

It's, I, I cannot believe the lengths that he will go to to put his hands on somebody. This is a 10. He is the CEO of crashing out. This is what he does. Add this to the highlight. It's a 10. It's a 10, bro. What do you think this is Isaac?

Absolute 10, clean sweep. Perfect. Glad we're on the same page. What's next? Next up, Michael Beasley, rubbing Anthony Tolliver's knee Ted,

I've never seen a look up pure shock the way Anthony Tolliver was when he realized what the fuck was going on he took a second to be like am I imagining

this motherfucker touching my knee how long how long do you have to rub somebody else's knee before you realize hey I don't feel anything before you start

getting nervous is like is everything okay Like, I don't feel like me at all. The only, the only logic behind us in. I didn't you paralyze. No thoughts upstairs. Bro, he was high as a bitch that day.

That's the only logic behind this. Everything just feels a little bit slower. So it makes sense. Absolute 10. Yeah, what's next? All right. The time when Rudy Gobert touched everything in Costco with the next day. Man, this is not funny.

This man spread COVID to the whole NBA. We can't. He shut down as a villain. Oh, my goodness. No, this is hilarious. I don't care. The, no one's funny about this. He thought he was hilarious.

This isn't just like bad, immoral. It's a bomb joke. There's nothing funnier than someone making a joke that doesn't land. And he thinks he's the funniest one in the room. Next thing you know, he almost killed Donovan Mitchell. facts don't think facts bro

I know Donovan was ready to kill him over it too it ruined his relationship with Donovan Mitchell it led to

Donovan Mitchell requesting a trade this is it was already bad that was I finished this chicken noodle soup

as soon as I get healthy again I'm coming for you Rudy Donald Mitchell was drinking Gator every

three days just pissed ready to kill this Frenchman I give it a 3 10 10 out of 10

10 out of 10 Okay, I agree. Stample it. Staple it. That's the last one? Yeah. We're good. That's hilarious, man. I love that we got both the funny ones out the way immediately. Set the energy off right. Hope you all enjoying this TikTok time. If you are, do us a favor. Drop a like and subscribe on this video for watching on YouTube. Your friend, audio platforms, lose five-star drop a review. Let's keep this shit going. The next thing we're going to do, we're going to transition to some basketball talk. We're going to go do a tier list now, and it's going to be a tier list of every version of the Los Angeles Lakers over the years. So there's championship teams, teams that got put together to try to win a championship and flopped, middle of the road teams, just every version of Lakers I could think of that were

interesting to talk about. We're going to tier list them. Here we go with that Lakers deleted stuff. Listen, they get the clicks. People like looking at them. So real simple, let's put every version of the Los Angeles Lakers into a tier list. First off, the 2001 Lakers. This is S. This is an S-tier version of the Lakers. A hundred percent. It's an S-tier version of anybody. Yeah.

Through the three-peat, there's no reason to put them below an S. They lost one game, all playoffs. Yeah, this is S-tier. Probably the best Lakers team in history, so it's a no way to go to S-tier. Wow, in history, though. Big state. Yeah. We'll get some more options.

We'll see if you can review that. Next up, the 2020 Lakers. This is a solid A or B tier. I'll probably comfortably say B tier, though. Yeah, it's A tier for a lot of teams, but the Lakers have a lot of heavy hitting teams, so maybe B tier for their standards. I understand that.

But given everything that was going on in 2020, the fact that they overcame the pandemic, they were hooping in the bubble. They overcame the loss of Kobe. Like, sentimentally, this feels like a very big Lakers team. So I have to put an A. Okay. Damn, they defeated grief and the coronavirus in one year.

Give it to him, A, you're right. Grief and the coronavirus. That's basically a 3P if you think about it. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Not too much, not too much. The 2004 Lakers. Oh, okay, so they didn't make the finals, but they lost, but they lost in embarrassing fashion and were a, they were a disappointment.

Deeply disappointing team. They're supposed to be better than the 3P teams. They added two washed up superstars, but still. good quality role players expectation with championship robust this can't be up higher than b no i would say c yeah exactly yeah that's tough key d i don't know for their standards and this i was thinking d because for disappointment you're cooking yeah exactly these d only makes sense when you have such an illustrious franchise like the lakers do exactly the championship or bust almost every year this was a bust next up 1985 peak of showtime

an S. It's definitely better than 2020, right? Yeah, it can't be in the same tier as 2020. Why not? We should also put 2020 back into B. Okay, can this team catch peak showtime being the same caliber of 2001? Absolutely, I think so. If 2020 is A, they have to be in S tier along with 2001.

I think they just have to be A to, though. Well, then we've got to move 2020 to B, I think. 2020 belongs in B. That's fair. Why? They're not Showtime, man. It's peak showtime. They beat the Larry Bird Celtics in this year. I understand. I don't know. This is India history we're talking about here. The the fact that the Lakers, like Isaac said, they beat grief and the coronavirus. I think that they have to be a. Okay, then Showtime's S. No, there's other versions of Showtime that are essay. Okay, well, Mo, do you agree? 2020 done to B? 2020 definitely should be to B.

Donovan, just the other day I heard you saying this is a Mickey Mouse ring. Make up your mind. Pick a side. Listen, I'm trying to do stuff for clicks right now. All right. Okay, we'll put that down to B and we can show us number of day. There we go. I'm not sure.

Next up, the 2018 Lakers. Young rebuild. F. Oh, it's a mean F tier. Lanzabal doesn't move you? F for fun. They were a fun team, right? But they sucked.

So we're going to put them in that. F it is. Can't argue. Trash. Next up, 1972 when they won with Wilt. Who? Ooh.

That was great. That was great. What? B tier? Can we put them in A? What? B? you lost for like eight years in a row it's about time you won a championship

you're bound to get one eventually it's just a numbers game at that point put them in B yeah we'll be okay yeah it's not on the sheer level of dominance of showtime of winning multiple championships in the era they had to win one there was like four relevant teams in the league that year exactly damn so Mickey Mouse tier

Mickey Mouse ranked tears that we were saying yeah Next up, 2011. Oh, 2011. They failed with Dwight Howard. Yeah, this has to be nasty. This has to be an F tier.

No, it can't be F. No, they were not as bad as they were not as bad as it. It has to be F. It has to be F. D is an all-time failure for them, but they still made the finals. This team got bouncing the first round. This team,

this team forced Kobe Bryant to tear his Achilles because they, was that bad and he had to play too much. No, it's ever. Bro, there were, remember that Sports Illustrated cover when they traded for Steve Nash and Dwight Howard? People thought they were going to win four chips in a row. That was supposed to be the team. Damn. Well, considering the context, yeah, that is true. They were the next super team. Yeah, they're supposed to compete with the heels. They didn't compete with anything. They competed with the bobcats. Next up.

The 2006 Lakers, when Kobe was on his own. Oh, this is a lot of F. Kobe was a demon. It's a lot of F in here. If you're not winning, if you are not in the finals, you are an F for the Lakers. That's just the standard. I don't make the rules of. Yeah, but the year Kobe had a loan moves me like a bitch.

Can we go D with him? Personally. No. I mean, D my bad. Damn, they can't go D, just repeat Kobe? They had Smush Parker and lost in the first round. We can't put Spish Marker. We can't put, I cannot say those words.

That's a tongue twister. We cannot put Smush Parker above F tier. He has to be there. That's what he belongs. All right, let's put him in F. All right, next up, we got two more. The 2009 Lakers, the championship with Powell. The first one.

Oh, this is so nostalgic A B-tier Championship Is that That seems worse than That seems worse than the 2020 Yes Can they be C tier?

There's no C tier right now Could they be? I don't I don't I don't think you said championship or bust So every team that's not in the finals This is F tier I feel like C should be the lower tier To your championship teams

If D is losing the finals F is not make the finals. See is win the finals would be less impressive than every other version. All right. That's fair. That's fair. We can put him in C. If this is the keep me out of this. I don't want to put him in B. Nostalgia is kicking my ass right now. Now you were 10 years old high five. I don't remember it finally. Hell yeah. I'll live in a bitch. I was like this is why he's the goat. Four rings. Or five. There we go. Five rings. Sorry, bubble AD moves me more than Paukasol.

I know everybody hates it when I say that and take the ox, but it's true. You don't know, ball. Comments are my facts. Both right. Exactly. You're pandering to the fans. Next up, last but not least, this year, 2023 Lakers. Thief.

We got to put them. The games are your starting point. a championship they have an eight-season tournament title if you have a title I'm sorry a banner is gonna hang because of this year's team so logic's logic it checks out I'm just trying to be consistent put this team above Shaq and Kobe put this team of everybody else below them seat here I love it Gary Payton each your heart out okay love it this is the tier list

S tier we got 01 A tier we got 85 B tier 2020 2020 1972 C tier 2009 and this year D tier 04 in the bottom feeders

an F I think we did a good job I like it's okay I'm proud it's alright we did good hater you know it

that concludes that next thing we're gonna do something we haven't done a few weeks another old versus new a staple of TD3 TikTok time fighting against nostalgia exactly this time we're going to throw back

to the original topic that started old versus new NBA logos so you know how it goes I'm going to show you two NBA logos one old one new you tell me which one was better first off the Toronto Raptors

come on now the old sweeps and it's not even He is. Yeah. The Raptor's new logo. It's good still. Keep in mind, it's not the jersey.

It's just the logo. Separate the iconic jersey. Is the logo itself better? Separated or not, the logo itself is still better. The color scheme is impeccable. And plus, yeah, the fucking Raptor. That's hard. We got a little claw on a ball.

We got a little, we got a little, uh. No, listen, the basketball, the basketball in the middle and just the words around it, that's lazy. That's modern. It's generic. No. need get give me some character right give me some personality in your logo that's what the old one has so i'm going yeah and the purple is strong they definitely need to bring purple back at some point yeah it's a staple i don't know what they why they went away from it i don't know

anyway old sweeps next up we have the minnesota timber wolves old sweeps again god damn it that wolf really yeah the new wolf just seems so he don't feel like a wolf he He looks like a two-wawa. He's not even a halid. Yeah, he's not even an halin at all. The old logo, though, that moves me. That reminds me a cage. That just reminds me of some.

Ah, can't even describe it. It's hard. Just, just, you were passionate about this logo. Yeah, I like it. It's staring, it's staring dead in the eyes. It makes you feel something. Am I wrong? You're not wrong.

You feel something a lot more impactful than I feel. but I'll give it to you. Listen, if you are just rolling with just the basketball in the middle, I think you're kind of boring. I think you're leaning on a crutch and you're not being as creative as you actually can.

So I'm going with the old one. The trees is a nice touch. It's definitely more unique than the basketball, so I understand that. Absolutely. Old sweeps again. Next up,

the Cleveland Cavaliers. Okay. This is a little closer. This is a middle. either way. They've never had good logos. Yeah. The net V, the netted V is actually kind of cool,

but other than that, this logo has no character. That 90s logo sucks. I'm not going to lie to you. It doesn't suck. I'm deciding when a solacea this far. That shit sucks. It's like, the orange is nice. But we're just putting a C.

Yeah. It's just a simple C. That's it. It's a pointy C. It looks like a hooker. sword from a cavalier when is a cavalier I don't know what that is it's like a sword fighter

or a good explorer oh that's why some do with a blade these are both kind of ass and I'm thinking about it listen for the first time in old versus new history both else

they both nobody is I agree that's hilarious we're fence sitters over here trash on trash let's move on the Chicago Bulls nice

of this. They know who they are, and they stick to their roots. I'm not going to lie to you. This new one is trash. Give me the old. Really? I think the complete opposite. The bowl looks ugly as fucking the old and the new one.

You're going old? Yeah. You fucking love nostalgia. You'll pick anything from your childhood. Oh, that's funny. Bozo. Next one. The Utah Jazz.

You know we hate the whole new era of Utah Jazz colors. Dang, we hate the whole new era of the Jazz's colors, jerseys, logos, all of it. The old one sweeps, clears, dominates it, every adjective possible. What's even the redeeming quality of this new one? It's horrendous. I don't even know. I can't even fathom the words to explain how basic and boring and unventurous this is. When you put him side by side like this, it's honestly offensive to jazz fans.

I'm going to say it. The new one is not that bad. Oh, go to hell. Boo. Go to hell. It's just black. It's like they don't even have the jazz colors. I feel like this feels like an incomplete

Disney Channel logo. Like, you know, they used to have the one just like, Disney, do, do, do, do. Yeah, this just feels like a very lazy duplicate of that. So I'm definitely going to go new for sure, or old for sure. Those are the same way. Thank you. Yeah, old two.

It's not even close. But it's not that. The jazz have one of the, the jazz have one of the best 90s logos out there. This was not even a thought for me. 100%. It's historic. All right. Next up, we have the Houston Rockets.

Okay, now this one's tough because if you put this, if you put the new logo versus the one in the middle, this actually is an upgrade. But they're both kind of like mid. I like the colors on the old one. So I'm going to just go with that one. The colors on the old one are definitely dope. the general style of the new one is just very plain

is just like bro another basketball in the middle what is we doing are the colors better on the old one yeah ronna macdonald

has colors I kind of like black and red it works it works but it could have been done so much better you have black and red

and this is what you do waste of potential this isn't the this isn't the best rocket logo we're going against this one's kind of plain too but the font

of the rockets is on the old one is better than the font on the new one. Really? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Believe it or not.

I guess. I hate both of them now. Now that you point out the font, this is I'm going to new one. I'm going on. But I'm still going old. All right. Next one.

The 76ers. The Syracuse Nationals. Was this a baseball team? Ew. This definitely looks like a single-A baseball team from the 60s. Yeah, they lost They lost Yeah

Even you know If it comes from the 50s or the 60s You know what we do on this pod Yeah Shout out to the 1950s This is from 1950 exactly Exactly The new one wins

The rest is to give it This old logo is from before They invented spray cheese I'm not big in the shit I didn't know you were fan of spray cheese Like that To where it's a market in history say pre-spray post-spray

he is a man of the cheese Industrial Revolution has a logo no thank you listen to playing in a cornfield give the new one easily yeah the new sweeps that's the end of that video next thing we got I'm going to transition a little bit and I'm going to quiz you guys on your NBA knowledge

see how many facts you can memorize And specifically, we're going to talk about how many championships his NBA franchises have won. Okay, okay. Let's get going. I'm trying to get this tribute bag. So what we're going to do is I'm going to name two NBA franchises. And you guys tell me who has won more championships.

Was doing it. Sounds good to me. Okay. First matchup. I can't talk. The Golden State Warriors or the Chicago Bulls. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I want to buzz in.

I yeah listen where also are mo and i competing against each other yes okay bet okay cool so i so the the chicago bulls have six and the golden state warriors have five so i'm going with the chicago bulls uh was that your answer yeah that was going to be my answer too neither one of y'all know shit the golden state warriors have seven ah how do you have seven You're so confidently wrong They got the Philadelphia ones, right? Those don't count, God damn it But I guess they do in the context of this TikTok

Shit! Hell Damn See what is next matchup You're over one The Pistons or the Miami Heat's All right, let me go first So we did witness

Miami Heat went with Shaq Indie Wade of course And then they won two more with LeBron Don't even buzz in I see you I'm buzzing in No, no, no, no, no, no. With that being said, I'm going to get in Miami.

I'm buzzing in first. Go ahead. This is a tie. They both have three. I have no idea how much of pissants have, bro. I'm going Miami. Just know that. They've won like five games in two years.

I'm going Miami. Just off a recent Bias alone. Listen, one in doubt side with Pat Riley, but this time, Domit is corrected as a clean tie. Ew. That's so shameful Yes, sir What are you doing?

Poor company, man Alright next matchup The San Antonio Spurs Or the Philadelphia 76ers Oh now this You would assume it's tough But definitely I'm going with the Philadelphia 76ers It's a very old team

Yeah, all that team I'm going to go the other way I'm going to go with the San Antonio Spurs Mmm, why? Because Moe picked the sixes and I need a point So you need the San Antonio Spurs Terrible reasoning But you're correct

The San Antonio Spurs have five And the 76ers have three Ha! What the fuck? Now I'm shook. Will he ever get a point? Who knows? Tune in

Next up We got the Los Angeles Lakers versus the Boston Celtics. Oh, yeah, this is easy. This is the Los Angeles Lakers. That was very quick. I was very confident.

Yeah, they just wanted to chip in 2020. True. It's neck and neck. All right. I'm buzzing in. I'm buzzing in. I think this is a tie. I think they're tied right now.

Really? Yes, because I think, I think they're tied because I've remembered. remember. Listen, I'm probably just lying to myself. I'm just going to guess it's a tie. And that's my answer. Once again, bad logic, but you're correct. This is a tie at 17. What? Oh, my God, bro. I thought it was 17 to 18. My calculations is wrong. You were counting on the in-season tournament. You're already hanging another banner. That should have counted. What the hell?

I got cheated. That is not a Larry O'Brien trophy. It's close enough. Fuck that. Actually, it's even better. Because there's only one in existence. Exclusivity means it's more valuable. Counts is like five layer of bees to me, man. All right, man. Next up, the Knicks versus the Cavaliers, two old franchises.

Now we're in the trenches. Okay. I'm buzzing in right here. This actually isn't that hard. The Cavs only have one title. That's LeBrons. Oh, wait, no, no, no, no. They don't have one.

Oh, oh, oh. They won another one like 55 or whatever years ago. The Knicks have two. You know what I'm going to do. I'm going to go ahead and say it. For the first time in history, I'm going to go ahead and side with the New York Knicks. I'm sided with the Knicks as well. Ah, correct.

Two to one, the Knicks win. I should have kept my mouth shut. God damn it. Let him go. Fuck. And because. Because we tied, nobody gets a point, so most still has no points. No.

I'm sorry, that's just how we. I should get an extra two because you hopped on my back. I can't double or nothing. Our next one, the Thunder versus the Bucks. The Super somebody talk. Okay, I know. I don't know. I had to do shit. I had to think out loud.

We're kind of the whole franchise though, right? Correct. Yeah, exactly. So you have to think back to the Super Son. But even then, I'm, I'm buzzing in. I'm going to take the Milwaukee Bucks. Donovan? I mean to Mo?

Yeah, I, oh, man, that's crazy. You know what? You took a point from me? It's time taking one from you. Give me the Bucks as well. Correct the Bucks have two to the Thunders one. Okay. Okay.

I see the gamesmanship. I like it. All right, that's the end of that. Tell the trivia a little bit. I give it real easy. Next week, we'll up to ante and do harder trivia. I want to keep an entry level

for this week. Nice. Last thing we got. This is going to be a fun one. We've been talking a lot lately about the best players and franchise histories for different teams.

Now we're going to transition a little bit and we're going to talk about current players and whether or not they have the opportunity to become their franchises as goat by the end of their career.

Projection. Okay. Yeah, like, would you all expect that to be the case? Let's do it. So, can this NBA player be their franchises go at the end of their career?

First off, Luca Donchich. In order to be the franchise's goat, this man has to win a ring. MVP's, I'm assuming we all agree he'll do that sometime throughout his career. But when in that, he's going to be tough when you have the Dallas Mavericks front office in front of you. Listen, that 2011 ring is a tough hill to overcome. But also, he might just have like 12 first team all-MBAs by the time you're 32. So I'll kind of, I'll be shocked if he doesn't become the franchise's goal. honestly he should be he has to win a ring or he's not the goat that's just that's

a simple play also dirk played like two decades with the map yeah true said if he dips out early dirks dirks dirt's their guy and they can always lean back and be like he was the one yeah nobody stays around that long anymore and he doesn't even have like a championship nuclear so we can see him contending with for the next decade low key i think it's probably pretty likely he leaves i'm gonna know actually he can't be the goat because he's gonna leave i'm gonna say no damn i guess i'm uh go against all actually i'm gonna say yes he's gonna be the next goat when he requests a trade in a couple years that would be insane i leaked all right next up joel and bead no hell no hell no if he was to be the goat he would literally

hell no championship this year next year and the year after a year after that one with a couple of MVP's hell not nothing he has two chips Dr. Jay has two chips he has MVP's of his own Joel and B got to start racking up some rings and he's not going to do it with Tobias

Harris is your third best player I'm sorry not in the year of 2023 says he better than AI is he better sixer than AI I mean yeah person hard to have that conversation with the nostalgia factor so I'll leave that for another day

regular season player for sure playoffs I don't know when they both got one MVP who's the say for sure yeah it's man but next up

yeah next up Trey young no just off of this picture what this is a horrible picture why does he look like this

what's wrong with this he's just a regular light skin mix man nah no but I don't I don't think so The only one in his way.

Three years ago, maybe I would have said, okay, he's on the trajectory. I'm way past thinking Tray Young is going to be, like, some superstar. Well, I'm not. I don't think it's hard to surpass someone like Dominique Wilkins with how talented he is. Now, he has less time on his hands. He's 25 years old now, and he's only one to the conference finals once, which is still impressive. But he has a chance. I'll say he has a chance, though.

Hawks have got to get his act together. Get their action. Bam, they expanded the playoffs and he's about to miss the playing. No, he's not going to be the game. Look, you said that last year. He ain't going to miss it this year again. Relax. Congratulations on the 10th seed.

He's going to earn it. Listen, they're out the plane right now. You guys are 11th. Listen, this TikTok from the age I want, like, milk. They're going to be in the plane. Relax. Okay. We have a, everyone.

All right. Next one. Devin Booker. Maybe better than Steve Nash shit. I'm with it. Oh, yeah, that's Charles Barclay. I forgot about Steve Nash. Yeah, no. No, he has to win MVP's at least one was you at least one he's already made a finals. What if he makes another finals? I don't know. That's tough. That is tough. He's gonna have more postseason success in Steve Nash. I think that's pretty safe for sure. He'll be there for longer. Does it have to be MVP's or bust?

I think he has to get one Well okay Actually no Here's okay You are right If he gets to another finals Then I think we can Kind of like dip off

Level up the playing field Yeah Because Steve Nest They were never able to get over the hump So Yeah yeah Yeah I don't see him I don't see him

Rattling off MVP's in the future With the guys that are currently In the league ahead of him So it would have to be Playoff success I'll say it's possible But I'm not gonna bet on it Yeah

He'll have to do some insane shit Not insane shit But he'll have to do some real wizardry With that roster Bradley Beals back gotta be He has to put Bradley Beals back And he has to put vibranium Into Bradley Beals back

In order to get that shit straight But I don't see that happening Okay Next one Deeran Fox Who is there It doesn't take a lot to be The King's Goat

It doesn't take shit bro Listen, low-key, he already might be the king's ghost. Oh, God. Nah, I mean, listen, he's going to have to win a playoff series in order to do that. That's the bar. She ended a 16, 17-year drought. What do you expect? Listen, win a playoff series, maybe get to the conference finals.

We'll see what happens. Hey, maybe get a single triple double. Maybe scored 25 points twice in a row. That'll do it for the king. Y'all are insane. that's kind of get a bar's I'm gonna say it's real

yeah he definitely does yeah I'll say say that yes he can be the king's go if he brings them success that they haven't seen in like decades yeah

a singular conference finals appearance he can make that happen I don't know if you can but anyways next up jaw Morant hmm

I'm gonna say that's completely up to him whether or not he wants to be the grizzlies goat He can be the grizzlies goat Or he didn't run out That's relax Yeah

He's all the talent in the world That's not the issue He only has Zibo Tony Allen and Markasol in his way Let's be real for a second He said Tony Allen in there He said Tony Allen over Mike Holly All I know

That he needs to at least play games for him to be the team's goat. So we will see what happens down the line. It's very doable. I'm going to say yes, he definitely can. Will he? TBD. He can need to go.

Let me see me stop myself again. Played out jokes. Yeah, but. Yeah, I think John definitely is a town to eventually be the team's goat. He's already the most talented player in that franchise's history. So there's a clear path over there.

How dare you say that over Shane Battier? Shane Battiate, bald ass. No, I'm good. All right, last one Zion Williamson Who is this team's goal? No. C-B-3 surpassing him or

Ant? Anthony Davis, nah. He doesn't have it. I'm out. You're out? I'm out. I'm out. He will not be the Pelicans goat. Louie, you want to talk about low bars. I'll get, never mind, never mind, All his own hits are going to come up. I mean, again, it's leg jaw.

He certainly has a talent to. Does he want it bad enough? Does he have a desire to be the Pelicans goat? I'm not sure. He won't. He ain't got it. He's in year five now and we still have serious questions about him. This should not be happening.

Yeah, that conversation's over. We should, the only question is, is he going to be a multiple time all-star? And that's it. But as for a team goat? That's out the question. I don't want to take it out the question because the bar is so low still. But CP3 is a bar. That's a pretty high bar.

It's a Cb3. Yeah, but he didn't do shit for that organization for real in the playoffs. So it's like how high, how low, how high can the bar be? It's not the high at all. CB3 carry them through Katrina. What is Zion carrying them through? Shit. Complete another embarrassment.

He's there at least. He's trying, God damn it. Is he trying? Is he trying to be by 40? He's not trying And he turned around and he dropped 36 We don't care about that He lost an eye

This is not really in the story We don't care about that His career is already tainted by that You're right That's the last one And that's the end of the show What should people comment To show here

Ooh man Why isn't Nikil laughing He knows what they should comment Nikiel, what should they comment? You can decide twice in a row. They should comment Draymond is the goat. Okay.

He's escaping. You can comment that if you'd like. This is the end of the show. We'll see you all later. All right.