The Deep 3 Podcast - We Talked To Tyrese Maxey About The Future Of The 76ers | Ep. 152

Episode Date: August 1, 2025

Today we interview NBA all-star Tyrese Maxey! #nba Ep. 5 of House Call: https://youtu.be/KCBTN5NeoCA?si=QTwSneM495fOnOrx Check out the TD3 merch: https://the-deep-3-shop.fourthwall.com/ Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Mo's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D 0:00- Intro 1:58 Tyrese Maxey interview 32:30- tiktok time Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You guys probably saw the title of this video. Pop up in the notification tab on your phone, on your YouTube home fee, whatever it may be. And you said, what? That's not the power forward rankings. This is ranking season. Why aren't they continuing their position by position, top 30 rankings in the NBA?

Had to put it on hold for a week because as you guys see by the actual title, we are interviewing Philadelphia, 76ers guard, Tyrese Maxie today. I got to be a fake video. I don't believe it. Yeah, man. Got a cool opportunity early this week.

Came out of nowhere, but we're here today to talk to one of the brightest young stars in the NBA. We're going to talk to him today. Get back to the rankings next week. But yeah, man, it should be a very fun conversation for you. We talked to the Sunshine himself. Yeah, yeah. There's a most smiley star in the NBA.

You've been going to talk to him for a while, too. You guys remember, like, I think maybe back in 2020 when we first started, we like sent to cold Twitter DM to him as well. Did we do that? Swear to God we did it. I don't remember that at all. Yeah. I can pull up our DM right now. That's hilarious.

Well, that shit comes full circle. So yeah, man, we'll get back to the rankings next week. We'll do the rest of ranking season as you guys come to expect. But I had to take a break today to get to an opportunity we couldn't pass up. Hopefully you guys enjoy it. But before we get to showing you guys, before we get to the interview itself, got to remind you guys, check out episode four of House Call. It'll be out now by the time you guys are watching. Where's it five?

I think it's five. Strike that. Check out episode five of House Call. Also check out episode four if you'd like. And three and two and one. Watch them all. We got a whole catalog. If you guys don't know, we started an NFL podcast.

It's the exact same formats you guys know and love from this show. On an NFL show, it'll be the pin comment. top of the link of description. This week, we picked the breakout star for every position for this season. The guys we think are going to become household names in the NFL. Very fun conversation. Hell yeah, brother. Amazing conversation.

That's our obligatory plug of our new show that we want you to check out. With that being said, cue Tyrese Maxie. The cranium is crazy. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't know what to say. eaters rejoice we are here with a very special guest somebody that we've won on the show for a long time we've mentioned many times over on the show that he'd be the perfect guest to sit in this chair we are here today with 76 years all-star guard tyrese maxi how are you doing today man

i'm great man thank y'all for having me sure i uh obviously you've had a great career to start a lot of accomplishments going every year you've made your best accomplishment so far this summer according to nba twitter what is that you grew four inches over this pan of a week Listen, they said you're 6-5 now. I love NBA Twitter. It's the best thing ever. I said something the other day about, like, I was like, man, y'all talking, y'all missed on here, I understood. And, like, somebody took it as, like, I was angry.

But, like, I was just enjoying it on the fun. Like, no way to even talk about myself. I was just talking about everybody, you know what I mean? Sadly, of course, the year didn't go out of playing. So I had a lot of time with my hand. So I'm just sitting here watching everybody talk about not just a six years. but everybody in the NBA, and it was just like, it's just funniest, but it's all up. Yep.

One video convinced everybody point forward now, six, seven. Yeah, and then I just, I'll just quote to you to somebody's stuff like, I'm glad you noticed. I grew at 24, I'm happy. That's hilarious. During that same video, I think that was when you had to work out with LeBron, correct? Right. How did that go?

It's good. I mean, working out of LeBron, this is going to sound weird. Yeah. But it's like good. Like, it's normal now. know what I'm saying? I remember I worked out with him my first time I was like 19 years old preparing for the draft so now like seeing him just like a big brother you know just every single summer getting in some work trying to be able to the gym or work out early with him and it's always

fun can you imagine just being like 80 and working out at like 2 a.m. or whatever you'd be doing talking about how old he is yeah can you do that listen quick story we like after the workout Chris Johnson always wants us do like three dunks so I'm like all right I get my I finish my I do my three dunks first, and then I see Braun, and he like, throw it up, throw it up. I'm like, no, you got, you don't got it no longer. And like, I threw, I try to throw him a lot, like, close to the rim so he can just put the ball in there. Nah, he won't, he still want to cocky back and junk. I'm like, man, he's crazy.

Never gets tired. I saw that you just recently released your new balance line that just came out. And in the description, I was looking at all the items. It said you have a deep love for superheroes, and that was one of the inspirations behind the designs. Correct. Have you seen fantastic for you? Yeah, for sure. I was, I was blessed to be able to, like, go to the premiere.

I think that was, like, one of, like, the best days of my life. Really? Yes, dude, I was really happy. Like, other than, like, basketball, I really like Marvel and Superheroes, period. So to be able to go to the Fantastic Four, and, like, some of those, the cast, knowing who I was, was just, I don't know. That was just a surreal moment for me because I was a fan-born over them, so it was really cool. That's awesome. Do you have, off top of your head, do you have, like, a top-five favorite MCU movies?

I know it's hard on the top of the top of my head. I mean, I think I'm going, I have to go with the OG Avengers 2012. The first one, that was really elite, Infinity War, Black Panther. The first Iron Man was pretty iconic. And then I was really, I really liked, I'm going to give you a 5A, 5B. Shang Chi was a really good. Slept on. I've been trying to tell you about you.

I never heard a Shagie in my life. You are in the trenches. Listen, listen. So we played the Lakers last year. Yeah. I was hurt. I heard my hamstring, so I couldn't play. and I'm looking across the core and I'm like

I said next I said that's that's Shane G and it was like who's Shane G I was like never mind I was like I was like man I got to go there and say what's up to him but that's gonna be my 5A and then 5B is a Spider-Man far from home just because like they had all the different spider man's all the different villains to be able to put that together that takes a lot of time

a lot of effort and that was really cool no gardens a galaxy loving another three You know, it's crazy. Mara, my girlfriend, loves guardians of the galaxy. I like it, too. So it's definitely up there, but I think that's my top five.

But if you asked her, it would probably be those three movies for, you know, one, two, three, and then maybe Iron Man. Do you have a favorite superhero? Yeah, Spider-Man, for sure. Fair.

Makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense, definitely. Outside of movies, what do you have, what have you been loving to do off the court as of weight? So this summer, again, like I said, sadly,

I've had a lot of time on my hands. Yeah. Right? But I got through a lot of traveling. I mean, in Jamaica, Singapore, Paris. Like, those three places are a place that I, like, Singapore is a place I never thought I'd go to before. And to be blessed to have, like, the game of basketball and relationships and the agency, all those people who were ever, like, connect me to be able to do that.

That was amazing. And it was really fun. Singapore is, like, really advanced. So I've had a good time doing that. And just really relaxing, spend time with my family, friends. And I got four dogs now. Dang. Yeah, I know.

I see you've got a little, like, a foundation show on your test too now. Yes, sir. What's that about? That's the TMF Foundation, man. My mom, my uncle, my family members, a clutch. Everybody's been helping me with that. It's just stuff that I like to do, man, around the community. Not just in Philly, but back in Garland and Dallas.

You know, we're about to go to a night of giving tonight. Golf tournament tomorrow. Free kids camp on Saturday. Thank God. I'm 13 still, I'm pulling up. Pull up, man. It'll be lit in there. Get some one-on-one.

This has some fun in there. But yeah, this is amazing, man. I love this shirt. It's a good shirt. I'm wearing it, and it'll be fun. It's awesome, man. You know, on the topic of your career, your team, what's going on right now? I feel like you're in a super interesting phase your career right now, specifically

your place on the six years. Because obviously, you come into the team right away. You're the young guy for a team already contending. You were obviously fitting in that way growing into your career over the years. Now you're in between two stars that are deeper in their career, veterans, and two young, up-and-coming stars are moving out of deeper core kind of in the middle now.

No, dude, it's so funny that you say that because, like, I went to, like, a little workout. I think, what day is it? Today is Thursday,

so Tuesday. I was looking around. I was like, I'm the oldest player here. How was that even possible? Like, it was all, like, the young guys. And I just,

I pulled up because I had this weekend, so I was like, man, let me go show some love and work out with them and just, like, be a leader. And I was looking around, I'm like,

what just happened? Like, because honestly, I was, was, like, the young guy all the way up to maybe last year. You know what I mean? Because even my fourth year in the league, I was still the only, like, really, rotation player that was that young. A. Paul Reed was a little bit older than me, but, like, playing those minutes, I was, like, the only one. So, um, it's really good. I think it's a good transition, though,

honestly, if I'm being completely honest with, like Jared, um, DJ, Justin, Bona, all those guys, like, they're going to be really good for this franchise. So I'm just happy to be, I guess, the leader of that of that group that young group that young core and i definitely will say this man one thing that i'm going to implement from day one with that group is that we're going to work like we was in the gym this morning i had vj and trenna waffling in a gym this morning at 6 a m and we were in and they're just grinding and we got the workout then play some ones after and uh my thing is i want to keep it fun keep it um basketball's fun yeah so it's like i need them to be happy and but we're going to compete and when we get on the court our one goal is to win we're going to have

fun but we want to win too so you feel like you feel like you're going to have some obligation when you get into the season and you are that veteran leader now you got to get a little serious you're gonna put it in line uh I mean maybe a little bit when you say that are there rookie duties they have some rookie duties they have some rookie duties I had rookie duty so yeah I was I was telling BJ earlier like man I was when I got here I was me and I said Joe played a G league just a little bit Paul played in G league a little bit too so for a time I was the only rookie with Joe was and Ben and George Hill and Danny Green.

Oh, so they had you doing everything. Oh, my God. I did everything. Yeah. So it's like, I think it's good, though, because those vets that I had, like, they still keep in touching me, Tobias, all of them. They talk to me all the time, and, like, I really appreciate them because they, hey, man, you're going to be a really good apprentice league.

You know, you got to wait your turn. I had to wait my time, have to work my way up to the position that I'm in now, and I think it made me the player and the person I am today. What are some of, like, the gems that all your vets, even, like, from your rookie year to, like your second year. What are some of the things that they told you that you think like you have to pass on to the new crop of young guys? It's like small things like being a professional. I used to say that like on time is late. So I'm always trying to be early to everything. And whatever is going to the bus, workout, whatever the case may be. It's a lot of

other things that I talk to my teammates about, but I will always pass those gyms down. I think one thing that Tobias Harris really told me, I was sitting on the bus one day, and I was like kind of upset because I hadn't played. Like I wanted to play my rookie year, and I saw like other guys, other rookies playing. They weren't on contending teams, but they were like getting to play and kind of like put up numbers or whatever case may be. And I was just like, man, I want to play. I know I can help you guys. I know I can help you guys. And he sat me down with the back of the bus. I'd never forget. I think we were made in Orlando. And he said, look, rook, it's going to come with time that you're going to be playing. You're going to be really needed.

in the playoffs this year like just chill and be still and it's going to be okay and like he kind of just he talked me down and it worked out like that and it came to playoffs i was like the first one off the bench coming you know that those years then next year i was starting so it just didn't look back from there yeah i feel like from the jump i'm assuming even from your rookie year you've always clearly from the outside looking in been a guy that like sets a tone for your team we always every time we talk about you on our show all we say is he's always a good vibe he's smiling we've never seen him We've never seen them not smile. Every time you see you appreciate you, you are happy, you bring energy to the room.

Is that something that comes natural to you? Or do you make a conscious effort to try to keep the vibes up? I do make an effort now, but like it does come natural. Like, I'm blessed, dude. Like, I was telling my mom maybe a week ago that just like every single time I walk into the facility, I just get happy all over again. I'm just blessed, man. It's awesome.

Think about it. I get to play in the NBA. I get do what I love to do every single day and get paid to do it. And, like, my thing is I'm out here influencing the youth and other people. Well, if I can make anybody smile where there's the youth, where there's someone older, whether someone my age, I don't really care. If I can make humans happier and make this place a better place, then I'm always do that. With that being said, we've always said, we can't imagine you ever not being the biggest small in the room.

You always had the best vibe. Then last year's draft game. Yeah, yeah. The only other person that could outdo you good vibes while I got drafted your team, what was it like being around Jerry McCain and being outsmiled? 100%. but you know what I was telling somebody earlier I love the group that we have now

like Jared VJ Justin Bona those people they smile all the time Yeah they may be smiled too much Yeah

You might have to frown And they go for it It's funny because like I love that though They're competitive to it And all those traits Is something that I feel like Y'all be having smile off

You can say that We smile a lot But as soon as we cross those lines the people that we just named it's work yeah it's work yeah as soon as they whoever we're playing the games

we may be smiling but the objective is to beat you so that's one thing that I really do like we having fun with this because this is a game and this is the game that we love but at the end of the day

we're competitive like I said earlier I was smiling whatever we playing ones I'm still smiling but yeah I always plan on losing so you know what I mean

on the topic of your teammates I don't play a quick game I want to name one of your teammates currently and I want you describe them in one word okay so there's whatever comes of mind of how you would encapsulate this place

Paul George. Paul George. Paul George. I think a joystick gamer. Yeah, it has to be smooth. Smooth? That was a really good one. I was going to say poetic.

As a personality or his game? No, just both. He's very chill. And the game, like, the stuff that he does is so like... So tough. Yeah. Like, how do you like, where do you get that from? He did like a snatchback with his left hand, side step three, one game.

I'm like, who thinks to do that? Like, only you and probably like, Kari. think yeah it's just so creative yeah okay jerry mccain um you really just have to lean on like smile yeah that's yeah joy i say joy it's good way he's a game with joy lives his life with joy live love life yeah yeah and he doesn't care about what what other people think about him that's i think that's going to be special for him like that's a that's a special trait to have in this league and that's he got to keep that for sure joel Process?

No, I just like that. Got to dug deep in the back of that one. Nah, man, special. That's a good one. Like, what he does is just special, man. Like, I was talking to, like, my little brother the other day, like, one of my best friends. And it was messing with him like, man, have you ever seen Joel do a jump hook? And we found some clips of him doing jump hooks.

Oh, wow. Well, while we found those clips, we also found some clips of him doing stepbacks and twin legs and hensy pullups. I was like, bro, just do it's special, dude. Like, I'm just blessed to be a part of, like, his career and some of the best moments of his career. And I can't wait to see him get back out there. Lovely. VJ. Edgecombe.

VJ. H. From what I've seen so far, what that, what was somebody called him? I don't know why. I just, when I think of V.J. Edgecombe, I'm just thinking about a bow and arrow, just a sniper, right? And then also, like, he's just coming to kill. Yeah.

Yeah. That's a good. He's a talker, for sure. it's something that's going on around I guess on maybe TikTok or something my little cousin called him something there was an edit

they called him the generator the generator oh yeah yeah because on on draft night he was talking about

how like his family lived off the generator so they called him that that's kind of tough that's tough I like that but I'll probably say machine so generated's pretty cool

last one Kyle Larry old I hope he's sees this because that's the only word he's getting. We'll try to make sure of Kyle Harris says. Old, but No further description. That's it.

Just old. We're on the topic of, you know, like we said, constant good vibes, but you also mentioned that this year was a little more of a struggle. Right. And I'm interested in your perspective on it because obviously a team going through losing season is nothing new. Correct.

But from your perspective, you have the luxury of being drafted to a team that was immediately contending. Your whole goal and your first four years was fit into a team that is ready to win now. Correct. That's pretty rare for young. Young stars, people that make all of our teams.

Did that make it hurt more to go through the downsides after you had four years of upsides? 100%. I think not even just from the NBA perspective, but my entire life, I've never, ever, high school, middle school, AAU, like, I've never been on a team that's lost, right? So I think early on, it kind of affected me a lot. Like, my, like, mental-wise, like, I had to really lean on, like, my parents, my friends, the people in my immediate circle.

because I just I'm a winner I don't care about stats I don't care about that stuff I care about at the end of the day if we have more points than other teams that I'm going to be happy no matter what but like once I got to like December and I kind of got a different perspective and a different frame of mind you could see it at my game that like I was like okay listen this is what I have to do this is what we have to work with and my whole objective right now is to getting guys to like raise their level of play so when we saw Justin raise his level of play we saw a bonus raise his level of play we saw a bonus level of play. We saw those guys really raised the level of play that they had out there. And I was happy about that. You saw us win a couple of games. I got heard that we, you know, at the day, it was

kind of difficult. But I do think that it would be a great bounce back year for us. I think that it's not just going to just be given to us, though. I think we're going to have to work for it. And it starts now, and I think we're heading the right direction. I feel like a lot of people look at seasons like that and, like, you call it like a lost season. Are the things that you can take away from that to like to kind of build it back? Especially going the next year. Because, like you said, it's not going to be given to you. And I feel especially for you, like we mentioned earlier, you know, you go from being the young guy fitting in between stars. We're now just with the circumstances of half your team being young, half your team going through what they're going through physically.

You really are like to bedrock your team. So, like, how do you take the learnings from last year going through all that? When a lot of times you were the one star there, how does that impact your preparation for next year? I think the biggest thing is just like, my dad gave me this quote that I kind of live by. It's like proper preparation prevents poor performance. That's my favorite quote. That's my favorite quote. I know that quote.

You know that quote? I don't know if you're being serious. I'm so serious. But it speaks volumes because, like, I think right now we're preparing for not just the future, but for the present. If that makes sense. I'm not just the present, but the future as well. With the guys that we've drafted with the guys that we have. And we still have an opportunity.

Like you said, we have the mix between the older superstars as far as the Joel and they're not ancient, but they are definitely older, Joel and Pete. and then you have an ancient with Kyle Lowry but we have Kelly we have that group By the way

Do you know Kyle Lowry's old I don't know He's ancient But we have that group Then we have I kind of like I guess

Me and Trinden Are in like a weird Like you say In the middle of that group Yeah And then you have our young guys Our younger guys And I just feel like

It's going to be a good mix But we have to work extremely hard Every single day together Work on our cohesiveness And it should be fun And I think it would be special And how do you think

you're a specifically on the core your game is going to be different now with this because obviously you went through so many different sets of stars you're next to you so many so many i played so so many so many like first you're playing off your rookie year off of ben simmons and joel a fit that like doesn't make sense if they make it work you come in and fill the gaps and harding comes in you play true shooting guard this now with pg what's your current state of mind how you're pushing the game i've just to talk about that real fast i've played like you said my rookie year i didn't play some came off the bench some started some the second year i realized some the second year I realized Ben, you know, you're holding out, so then I'm going to start.

I had to kind of play, like, we didn't, we were preparing for Ben to come back, so we didn't know. So I didn't really get to play, like, myself, how I normally play. So I was kind of playing, like, that role of being Ben. And then we realized Ben's not coming back, and Joel's like, hey, let's dude, hey, man, you got to be yourself, dude. I don't care what nobody else says. I go through, have, like, a couple 30-point games in a row, and Joe's like, this is who you are now. Then they bring in James, and they're like, listen, I guess, car from San Francisco's like, hey, listen, you're going to be off the ball now. I'm like, whatever we need.

We have James Hard on our team. Come on, let's figure it out. And James taught me so much while he was here. Like, he made my game a lot easier. I didn't have to do much. You know what I'm saying? Just because, like, it's him out there. Joe is out there.

I was playing, like, I'll close outs and everything like that. But when James went off the floor, I was playing point guard. So it's like, I was getting those reps. And I had somebody to really watch to see, like, okay, this is what he does. This is how he does things. And this is how he makes reeds. And, like, he's still one of my dogs today. He would call me, check on me.

He was probably one of the first person to call me, like, last year when I got contracted and then All-Star and everything, he'll call me and check on me. Yeah, and then that, sorry, my God. Go ahead. No, no, no, go ahead. You mentioned all these different roles you're playing, right? Throughout all that, the constant there, you're playing off a dwelling bead. Correct.

What have you learned and really, like, improved upon about playing off him? Because everybody talks about how playing the superstar gets you a certain type of gravity. Yeah. How have you gotten better at, like, using that gravity to get your game off and make things easier for you? If I'm being honest with you, like, at the beginning of my career, It was great. Like, it was easy. I figured, like, like, like, rookie year I didn't know how to play with a big,

because I never played with a big man like that before. You know what I'm saying? We just, you don't have those type of big man to leave. Like, you got to work on cutting, work on spacing. But once I figured it out, it was great, you know what I'm saying? It's amazing just to play off somebody with that type of, I mean, that type of game. And he just really got basketball, cause a lot of attention. Attention.

And then, like, last year he didn't play as much because he got hurt on the year before last year. So I kind of had to learn how to play on the ball and all the gravity is. towards me and then I think last year when he did play like around that time that I would tell you like in December I found a really good mix of like okay I can play off Joel I can play on the ball I can play in so many different different ways that it's really blessed me like all these different people I've played with it really blessed me to be like versatile so I can play in any type of system that I need to to help our team win which is what makes me happy you mentioned a small sample size he wasn't there last year you shot 77% at the

rim with him on the court last year I mean yeah I think 20% better than without him That's crazy. Yeah, it's like, when you have multiple guys out there for the defenses that have to respect and guard, that's what makes the game a lot easier. Like, we always talk about the Celtics. We always talk about those teams. And we can say you can talk about the Thunder last year. So many different weapons. When you have those different weapons, it just makes it difficult because they got guys that can drive and kick and help.

And now you're passing and, oh, do I want to help right now? Because I know he can dump it off to Joe or somebody in the corner to shoot. I think that's what we're trying to build, you know, assist. them where a lot of guys can play a lot of different roles and score the ball and then help the team out so aside from like in b because i think a lot of people you see like okay a guard in a big that kind of makes sense where there's that synergy there when you go back to your time playing with james hardin what is that like because i feel like a lot of people see two guards and a lot of times people say like oh they can't play together right what did you learn from playing

with him and and you know changing up your game in that the biggest the biggest thing that i learned is like i know jane i know people are not going to say he sacrificed but he's sacrificed fights. He gave up some of himself for the team, for the betterment of the team. He was able to, like, get Joel a lot of easy shots. He got me a lot of easy shots, but it was all about trust. So, like, day one, when he came in, his first thing to me was like, listen, don't think that you're going to, like, not get the ball. Don't think that you're not about to like, still be aggressive and still keep building your game. Because my first, his first instinct was always, okay, whether they score or they're not scored, I'm going to pitch it ahead to you,

and you, like, I'd score in transition, play that one-on-one game, shoot, whatever the case may be, and I'll get it back and now it will flow off that. So it's like, it's a tandem. You have to be able to, like, sacrifice for each other. And that's one thing that I was talking to somebody about in Summer League, it was like, what do you think about having all these guards on your team? I said, the more guards we have, the more good guards we have, the better. Because now we have a lot of people that people have to worry about, teams have to worry about.

You got to worry about Jared. You know what I'm saying? What he did last year was special, you know what I mean? A healthy Jared, you know, we don't know what's the ceiling in there, you know what I mean? So, like, that's really good for us. BJ is coming in and I think that he has potential to be a really good player in this league and I think he will be Paul, Joe

the name is going on and on but we have to get on the court together and we have to like display it's not something that's just going to happen overnight so as the lead guard now official I guess over the last few years this year especially is a little bit different because of all the things that's happened

with the roster what is like your emphasis now going into this year as like the point guard running the crew leading the shit. I think the biggest emphasis I have is like one I want to play a little bit faster and I want to get to like bringing in Trent and Woffel was was makes me happy because he's a guy right that's your boy right that is my boy for sure off the court no doubt but on the court wise it makes me think like listen when he's in the game we have a guy that can rebound and we can push so like you

say let's say you have a unit of like Trent at the four bone at the five me Jared and I don't know Justin Edwards if trending gets a rebound you have me Justin and Jared running the wings who if he's penetrated if anybody helps you got three guys that can knock down threes right then you have a guy and jerry who can play pick and roll who can play spot up shots guy and me who can play pick and roll can do spot up shots the more versatile we can be the hard it is to play against such you know what I'm saying now we got worried about getting stops on the defense getting rebound and doing those things as well so I think that's my biggest focus is like I want and even working out with bj today my biggest thing is like listen sometimes you handle

the ball to kick your crate sometimes I handle the ball to create if I work out with jerry It's the same thing. We've got to build to create for each other and create for ourselves. And I think just playing off each other would be the best thing that we can possibly do. Yeah. On the topic of your teammates again,

I want to play one more game. I want to name you and then one of your teammates, and we're going to talk about one specific 2K rating. I want you to tell me who you think has the higher rating in that category. I'm not going to be good at this game. Yeah, it's really based off like, you know, who's a better shooter here, it's better strong, you know, it'll be intuitive.

Mid-range shooting. You or Jared McCain. That's tough. Both good shooters. Mid-range shooting? He was going crazy last year. Probably, Jay. Jared maybe on 2K?

Yeah, in 2K. Yeah, it should be Jared. I got you. I don't really know. I haven't played 2K in so long. What do you think about your ability? You know, you know that it correlates? Shooting-wise, I think my range is decent.

It'll probably be like, whoever it is, like, plus two. So whatever the case is. You have an 84. Jerry McCain is a 96. Good God. 96 is like KD. He's crazy. And I see him tomorrow.

I'll see him tomorrow. That's best of the league. Yeah. Three-point shooter. Three-point shooting, who was it? Oh, my bad, my-back. Oh, yeah. Three-point shooting, you or Paul George?

Take you. That's tough. I want to say me, but I don't know how 2K works now because Jeremy can't shoot 96. Yeah. I think I'm going to go you. Yeah. I'm going to say me. I mean, we'll see, though.

Yep, you are too high than Paul George. All right about it. All of the ratings. 82 and 80. 82 and 80. Okay. Okay. Hustle, you were Joel and Bede.

Damn. Two hustlers. Just smiling. Who dives from more loose balls? Joelle, probably. I'm just saying Joe Lowe probably dies from most loose balls because he's just driving, throwing his body around because that's what he does.

But me, I'll say me. Yeah, you have the higher hustle by five. Wow. Oh, by five? Wow. You got a 95 hustle. They think you're just out here sprinting. I feel like I do be out there spring.

Vertical. You or your college teammate, Emmanuel, quickly. It better be me. Does Emmanuel yam it like that? You think you can get out jump him? Yes, for sure. I've not seen Emmanuel quickly dunk in a while.

He has a 79 vertical. Okay. You have an 80. That's, I don't like that. I was like that. I need to post some more videos than me, dunking. Yeah. It's the off-season.

That's what everybody does. Got to get the propaganda. You post the workout videos. You post the dunking videos. Let me start post some dunking videos. And last one. Strength, you or Jerry McCain? Strength.

Strength? It should be me. If you can't. I don't know at this point. Me and Joe, I had five hustle apart. I don't know. I'm going to say me in real life for sure. Okay.

Jeremy Kane is a 52 strength. Damn. Pretty low. They're saying he's weak as shit. 52? So what is my street? 44. At this point, this game's fake.

Ronnie, let's hear. That's crazy. You can't do five push-ups. We're going to have a real conversation after I could have a free podcast. Wow. What is that based off? No, that's what I'm saying? To kill the curb back, I think sometimes they have you a certain overall and they've got to find something to make lower to control it.

I guess the certain overall, you know? No, it's fine. All right. Yeah, yeah, whatever. That's so. 44? I guess I'll just do it make myself a mob player and make my whole thing that you're not. Yeah.

That's possible? You just got propaganda. You got to post pictures you doing bench press, post the rips angles. Nope, not doing that. That's time I posted pictures of me, bench press the last year, I had to get a drug touching that. Get ready to see more cups because you got to do. Next thing. You know, you play.

at Joel Embed, one of the most unstoppable players of this generation ever. I want to know from your perspective playing defense who's the hardest player to defend at every position. So either you're guarding a one-on-one or game planning four as a team. Every position. Point guard through center. Steph.

Still, to this day. Yep. Never going to change. You got to guard as Steph as a team. Yeah, as a team. That's the thing. That is true. It's a scheme, so. Yeah. And shooting guard. Shooting guard. Anthony.

And Edwards right now. I mean, what he's doing on the court is just pretty special. So I'll give it to him. I mean, if you want to use Shea as a point guard or a shooting guard, he's in the tweener. I get the tweener. That's definitely Shea. Small fours, the threes. Galebron, Tatum, KD.

Tough. Yeah. I may say KD still just because he's seven foot. He's so big, yeah. It always just feels like hopeless. Yeah, I mean, it's just like you pressure him. You do all those things. And it's like, okay, he shoots over me.

This time he missed the next time he makes it. Nothing to do with you, really. Yeah, so, but definitely KD. Fours, Janice. Yeah, he's a truck. Until he's retired, it's going to be honest before. Which is crazy because everybody, like, Nick Nurse has this wall defense that he created for Yonis. And it's like, sometimes you're there and Yonis really doesn't care.

And it's like, coach is like, you are you in the wall? And I was like, yeah, coach, but the elbow kind of came. through what I thought about it. Some balls fall. Yeah, I had a funny story about Yannis. He was, it was me and him on a break one time, like maybe two years ago, and he was dribbling full of speed, and I'm like, okay, I can't take the bump because I have 44 strength in 2K.

But I know I'm fast. So, like, I just, like, reach really fast and throw the ball. I'm like, wow, that works. We'll try that some more often. But next time, just whoop. Yeah. And then center, I'm going to say Joelle. And if not Joelle, I got to say,

like Yokic just because naturally I mean he's just he's the offense he is their offense you know what I'm saying like when he's not off the court their offense is totally different you know what I mean so like when he gets the ball at the mid post and they're cutting and doing all those different things we got to worry about them cutting we got to worry about them screening then you also got to worry about him trying to back down whoever he's whoever's guarding him and shooting the jump hook you don't want to trap him because you know he could pass but you don't want to not trap him because he can get 40 then we have a guy on our team who's does the same stuff

and you better trap him because he will get 50. And that's how you get 77% at the room when you're next to him on the court. Exactly. Exactly. So, but those, I think that's my top five. Great, man. Well, that's all the time we got with you today. You got a busy day here for the Tires Maxi Foundation. All the events you are going on. Yes, sir. Great to see you. Appreciate you. I, man. Y'all been great.

Y'all are amazing. I've seen y'all on X a few times. X. Oh, really? Oh, Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's great. That's by far a small platform. Yeah. No, I've seen it a few times. Y'all are great. Y'all are been doing a great job. Thank you, man. I appreciate you. Yep, yep. Welcome to TikTok time. Today, we are once again going to begin with the draft. But before we begin with that draft, we'll once again remind you to check out house call, like and subscribe, check out episode five

where we picked the breakout stars of the 2025 NFL season. Dummy, though. You can escape another house call plug. You can't. We hear it all the time. Plug number two. Might be a third one coming. We'll see. Yeah, man, go check it out. Let us know what you think. Let us know what you thought about the Tyres Max interview. You guys just watched. We're filming this before we did it. I don't know if it was great or not, but you let me know. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

Praying to God it was. But with that being said, we are starting the second half of the show today with the draft. Last week we did draft with the 2003 NBA draft class. We picked from LeBron's class, made teams with that. We're doing something similar today.

We're going to draft NBA lineups from only players taken in the 2007 NBA draft. Damn. The Gregor and draft class. Can you guys guess how many active NBA players right now from the 2007 draft? Two, five.

Two. Really? Yeah. Is Katie and... So whatever. Fuck, I... We're gonna pick him anyways. It's two.

Yeah, it's Katie and Markersall. Markisal's not active. Oh, fuck, you're right. Horford? What are you talking about? Oh, Horford, yeah. Isn't Jeff Green still active or is he retired now? Or is he like not a roster?

Jeff Green is... I have to double check on that. We'll see. Okay. Well, either way, we're just talking about us. With only players from the draft class, The draft order is me, Mo, Donovan. Donovan, Donovan got LeBron last time, kick his ass to the third spot.

You guys know how it goes. A little simple. Point guard through center. First pick in the draft. Give me Kevin Durant. I wish there was something entertaining to say, some debate. There is no debate. All right, you got it.

Yeah, got to pick the clear best player. Okay. So I got the second pick in the draft. Give me someone who was formerly the best second round pick of all time. Mark Esau. Okay. Markisal at your center spot Was he ever the best second round pick of all time?

Yeah, before him it was Manu Manu I mean I don't think he ever held the crowd He never took the champion He never officially took it? No, I don't think so No, because I think it went from I think Manu had it for a while

And then Yolkich took it after that Damn Always number two Top five second round pick of all time He's just mine today Always number two that's crazy That's spiced up a little bit Yeah

Very good second round pick fair enough All right at my point guard position Give me Mike Conley Okay, fair enough. And then I get, I have my choice over, over which big man I want to go to. You do? Do I take the Renaissance, the Renaissance man, stretch five and out Horford? Or do I take the original Nicole Okich?

And when I say that, I'm talking about big men who get triple doubles in Joachim Noah. I'm going to take out Horford. Okay, fair enough. I'm going to take out of Oxford. Okay. I don't know who's better at their peak between those. do that's kind of all i don't i don't know either but i'm nasty conversation but i know that i can't let him get alhorford and mark yeah yeah that'd be okay too disgusting i'll just go ahead and get um

jokey me know as well put him on my four oh exactly put him on my four start with two centers i love i got fantastic defense bro fantastic pass him between my two bigs you're slow as fuck terrible spacing oh is a jumper are you kidding me are you kidding you that is a weird team yeah damn i love where i'm going i don't love where i'm going uh damn that yeah who you take it go ahead i guess yeah yeah i'm trying because like there's a few decent options spencer hogs is right there the stretch big before the stretch big i'm sure i think the smartest way to do this you know who is low-key good who has some years give me thadius young daddy's young had some very good years as a role player isn't he on like random ass historic

graphic with larry bird yes yes staff nobody's ever done besides the best players of all time so give me Thaddeus Young and then I can't hate on that yeah I gotta get real strategic here about how to round this out Big baby Davis is right there

influence millions I look he might come back to him I thought it's not a bad pick I'm gonna pick Aaron a flalo at my point guard not a point guard isn't you a two there's a combo guard

I remember him as a two that is a very very generous combo he is not a combo guard he is not a combo whatever yeah no no I'll put in my shooting guard. That makes you happy. It's your team.

I'm just trying to throw you a bone a little bit. He's small. So I thought my point guard is like for like, you're right. He's not a, I was like, Aaron will follow. That's not my Aaron. I'll put it in a follow shooting guard. You know, he got hands. You got protection.

So you straight. Yeah, I got completely mix him up. That's not a combo guy. That's a two, three. I don't know. My mind just went blank. Yeah. Your mind is still in 2025.

All right. So, okay, you got Aaron O'Falo, Katie, and Thaddeus Young. Where do I want to go now? I think talent-wise, probably the best way for me to do this. Give me someone who has an unlimited clip, Marco Bell and Elliott at my starting to. You need space. You need the space and bad. Best shooter here probably.

Sigh, sigh, sigh. I said Aaron Flavut, point, gorg. He's talking. Complete brain fart. You just come up here lying today. That's crazy. You know, it's funny because I think I was looking at Ramon Sessions. Oh, yeah.

I sorted it by, uh, sis, and I think I was looking at Ramon's sessions. Yeah. That's funny as well. You know what? We're going to build a very well-rounded team here, but also I do need buckets. I need somebody who can give me 50. Ooh. And I need Corey Brewer to do that.

Okay. I'm taking Corey Brewer and I'm putting them at the three. That is one of the 50 points of all time. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And then at the two, let's get some more, some more spaces. more shooting. I will take Rudy Fernandez. Okay. Oh, wow. Rudy Fernandez. Spain's own.

Okay. Fernandez. Rudy Fernandez. Okay. So for my, my three, wait, do I want to go three here? You do. Ooh. Ooh. Actually, yeah, go ahead and give me Uncle Jeff at my three. A lot of size. A whole lot of size. Your team is just, your team is almost too big Everyone's massive We cover in the whole board You have no point guard Not yet because I didn't pick them yet

Yeah And there's not a lot of point guards here God Which one of these, I don't know which one of these players Is better between the two I'm looking at Ah, I can either put Ramon Sessions or Aaron Brooks Hey man Aaron Brooks had some moments

That is a debate that nobody's ever had In their goddamn lives That's a moment But give me the most improved player Give me Aaron Brooks That's a whole thing. 2008, Houston Rockies? He's out here.

That's a conversation, all right. And then Center, I have two options as well. Big Baby Davis. Big Baby Davis. Big Baby Davis. I can go Spencer Hawes or Big Baby Davis. Big baby Davis. It's way funnier if I go Big Baby Davis.

Give me Glenn. Glenn got way more street cred. What are you talking about? My team is full of the people's champs. Big baby. I've never had a reason to pick Big Baby even though I always want to. We've got a salute.

This team, this is why KD left. Because the teams like this. Yeah, this is not a good team. Damn. Go ahead. Pick your point guard. I have like little to no options.

I'm between Rodney Stuckey and Ramon's sessions. Good God, man. I mean, Rodney Stuckey is kind of a bucket. He had long years in the NBA. But me, I pick the ones. But I actually know, Ramon Sessions had longer than NBA. So I think Ramon Sessions is probably the better player.

So give me Ramon Sessions. Ronnie Suck, he's cool, but he had like depressing buckets. Depressing buckets. Yeah, like what team did he get buckets for? He made it work. Pistons, probably, mainly. And then the Pacers, so. Donovan, who's closing this out?

All right. Move out Horford to the four, please. Because I'm taking Mr. Tiago Splitter. Okay. I'm putting Tiago Splitter at the five. I guess that's a solid fit with Horford. Horford, he built a team around Al Horford. You know how proud you

make me, man. I love that. So, all your listeners, I have Aaron Brooks, Aaron Aflalo, Kevin Durant, Thaddeus Young, Big Baby Davis. You would have won Cluey if you took Tiago Switter, for sure. I don't want Tiago Splitter. Tiago Splitter's fucking fine.

Conduct is not there to make him confidence. I got Ramon Sessions, Marco Bellanelli, Jeff Green, Jo Kim Noah and Mark Gasol. My defense is OD. Defense is OD. The playmaking synergy. No, it's not your Marco Bell and Ellie run sessions.

My, bro, paint, you paint defense above everything at all else. What are you talking about? And I have Mike Connolley. Two D. PO-wise. You do. Fair, fair. Mike Conley at point guard, Rudy Fernandez at the two. Corey Brewer at the three.

I'll forfeit at the four and Tiago split at the five. We are a basketball team. We are. You are right? Maybe not cooking, but we are using the microwave. Fundamentals, bro. I do like this. I'm not even the microwave.

You're really air-frying right now. This is the three worst things ever had in draft. I guess I win because I've Kevin Durant and spacing, but like my team is not good. You don't win. I've Kevin Durant and Daddy is Young. Like, my team makes sense.

You don't win. My team makes it like, I have forwards that makes sense. You have two centers that you have role players. You don't win. I think I got the overall, outside of KED, I have like, I think my players trump every single one of you guys is. Your team is stupid. Marcusal is better than Big Baby Antio.

Gasol and Noah make no sense. Joe Kim Noah, they do. Marcusal is a stretch five. Stretch five. Debateable at the fall. I have the best four. Al Horf is the best player. He's not better all time than Joe Kim Noah.

I don't know, actually. That's a question. I don't know. That's a conversation. We make fun of Big Baby. Big baby can play. It's not like I picked a bum. My team is fine.

My team makes sense. Yeah, but he's got like a starting center. You have Tiago Splitter. And he has Rudy Fernandez. Get the fuck out of here, bro. First of all. Tiago Splitter was the center on the finals team. He was A-Center.

You were correct. That's what I'm saying. Just that's all like E-Bruy. He was A-C-C-C-Roe. He was A-C-C-Nor just like James Wiseman. Corey-Brew was always in the league. Only kept himself a job. Kept himself employed.

Never had to worry about rent. Why? Because he was out here doing what Corey Brewer does. So I value what he brings. Al-Horford. You know how great Al-Horford is. And then Mike Conley, the greatest player, before he got, you know, the Make-A-Wish All-Star,

the greatest player to never make a lot. an all-star team, but who was always an all-star like Mike Cody. You guys have Jeff Green and Corey Brewer defending one of the best scorers to ever walk this planet. Jeff Green has done that before. I don't care about Kevin the Redd. I don't care about Katie. Katie's going to get 2830 every night

regardless. It doesn't matter who's guarding him. That's going to happen. But Aaron Brooks, I love Aaron Brooks. Shout out. Aaron Brooks is fine. He's... Actually, no, you do have the worst point guy. Yeah, Aaron Bucs is fine. But you got Rudy Fernandez and Cory Brewer. You have, and Tiago Sputter.

You have the two, you have the three worst players on this list. Just because, you do it. You do. You do. It's Cori Brewer and Tiago Splitters. Actually, Sessions might be the bottom three, maybe. What? That's a hard debate.

I don't know between Corey Brewer's session. You have two gaping black holes on your team. First of all, just because Corey Brewer runs around really weird does not mean that he's a bad player. No, they're all fine. They're all good players. You picked him for reason. But he's the 15th best player on his list. No, man.

Or Tiago Splitter. Yeah. Jagosputter is just like the most generic Big man ever. He's like the perfect like 72 overall ever. Exactly. Teagosler is fine. He's just fine.

Y'all lost. You certainly didn't win. You certainly did not win. You have no scores. You have connecting pieces all around the roster. And this is exactly what I'm talking about when y'all don't understand the concept of team. Team work.

I think just a bunch of bounce passes the entire game. Connectivity. No bo-bys from anybody. I would sooner see the. Noah Gassaulting working out because he has spacing. I would sooner see that being a threat than Al Horford and Mike Conley Pick and Rolls. That's a disgusting,

bro. This team is getting 45 wins in the Eastern Conference year after year after year. We are the five seed and we are going out in the first round. I don't know if you be the five seed. No, we will be the five. Brewer Splitter Fernandez is a shit combination for two medium level all-stars.

Actually, Connie was barely an all-star that one time. I guess you can give them all-star level. You're not. This is a five-seat. No, you may be like... In 2016, was out Holford like the 18th best player in the world? That's his anchoring your team?

I guess. We can... We can get the 5th. No, your team is shit. I'm not going to let's talk. We can get what this happened. This is the shit off, man. Next thing we're going to do.

We're going to stick on the topic of draft. Nobody can dribble on his team. Like, what are we talking for? All he's never seen, Jeff Green, Prime, Jeff Green? My team is no bigs. His team has no scoring. Your team has no scoring. Our team suck.

But I've Kevin Durant. So that she goes. Hey, I didn't see either. We're taking a break from the pot to let you guys know about the newest TD3 production house call. As you can see, it's the same nonsense, the same hate, the same great takes,

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The link is going to be in the description. It's going to be pinned in the top comment. And make sure you guys go tap in and bring your crayons. All right. We're sticking on topic of draft-related segments. I'm going to show you two starting lineups comprise of the best players

from various draft classes. You're going to tell me which draft class has the better five. All right. So they're high-end talent. I kind of made it, you know, I made it work and do a lot that that makes sense positionally,

but pretty much the best five from each class. First off, we got 2019 or 2020. Okay. And that's Cam Johnson, a small four from 2019. Wow. On paper?

Not Kelvin. 2019 should be better. That John Moran, Garland, backward, is killer. Yeah. In the worst way, defensively. Yeah, exactly. And Zion at the 4 is killer. Yeah.

I'm, I'm going to go 2020. But you do have Zion and spacing. Garland and Johnson will keep that court open. You have, like, no defenders outside of Claston. Claston, get ready to pull it out. But damn. 2020, 2020 is getting the win for me. Yeah, 2020 is a better basketball team, for sure.

It sucks of big men can't be better, though. Like, Topin and Okongwu doesn't inspire you. But Halliburton and Edwards together, like, they actually make sense. Their star players actually fit. I like that. And then you have the ultimate glue guy with knee Smith. And we can go glue for glue guy. Cameron Johnson versus Neesmith.

We have glue. Topper's not up so sticky. Topin and Akungu isn't like a terrible combination either. Yeah, it's just fine. Yeah, it's just really fine. Exactly. Yeah. I go 2020.

I'm not. There's too many defensive holds in 2019. I'm going 2020. Yeah, it's pretty much impossible for 2019 to put together a competent defense. We'll go 2020. Half the team don't play. 2017 or 2018. Two stacked draft classes.

I'm going 2018 in a heartbeat. You see Dantridge and Shay and it's hard to not pick them. I'm not even looking at the rest of the names, bro. It don't matter who you put there. But I will say 2017 might make a little more sense. They have size. Tatum marketing out of bio. That's probably pretty great defense.

Tatum marketing out of bio. Is the Andre Aiden ready to rise to the occasion? There's a question here. No, and that's the thing that I'm looking at because it sucks. This is harder, actually. But Luca and Shea on the same. team and they used to have a DPO Y is Jaron Jackson Jr. Yeah, and Michael Porter Jr. just shooting three's making up for the lack of rebounding that Jern Jackson Jr. has

two's game. Also, we put Jaron Jackson to three to be the shooting guard, essentially. Porter Jr. Gov be power four and grab boards. Okay, that can make sense. I guess. McCall Bridges was in this draft too, I think. He was. Off the bench, off the bench. But, yeah, he could, yeah. You know, I don't know. The top end talent of 2018 is just there. and like i mean like i'm not trying to disrespect dimit or anything but it's luca and she versus tatum versus tatum and you know whoever is number two on that yeah the fourth and fifth best player is better in 2017 i don't know how it would work and practicality between luca and she if they could actually play together for an 82 game season but for one game i think we can

outbucket you yeah i'm going 2018 that'd be a weird fit though like could they play together i don't know but this would be i need to see the simulated this is a good matchup though I think they could. If Luca was able to play with someone like Kyrie, he would be a great fit alongside Shay. I think it would be a hard assertion for someone like Shay because he's not so much like, he can do off the ball stuff, but he's not used to it. Yeah, yeah, it's not how he plays.

Yeah, it probably wouldn't work. Well, we'll go 2018 because there's so much more talented. Yeah, they'll figure it out. 2003 versus 1984. LeBron at point guard versus Joriam, Barclay, and Hakeem. You just go up and down the list and it's like, Okay. Check, check, check, check. Chris Kamen?

God. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they have Alvin Robertson at the shooting guard for the Jordan's team. It's not like that's a superstar. But then again, but he's not Chris Keman has to guard. Yeah. Yeah, but he's not. And that's not happening.

But can Stockton guard LeBron James? No, I mean, okay, so I guess you would put, dang, you put John Stockton on, on D. Wade? Yeah, no, he's fried regardless. Robertson on LeBron. All right. Wow. Okay, listen, I guess if you put it like that,

maybe 2003 has a chance. We're picking on Stockton or we're picking on Cayman. You pick your poison. This is a game seven for sure. This is going to seven. Listen, Chris Kamen made an All-Star team. He did. You know what?

This is the third time I've said this in like three weeks. Yeah. We're going 2003. LeBrona point guard is cheating. It's close, though. It's super close. We'll go O3. We'll go O'3.

We'll go O'clock. Shut on Modern Basketball. Hakeem and Jordan. It's insane. Like in Barclay, just a random review there, too. 1996 or 1997. Boom. Jesus Christ.

I've never seen a more disgusting stomp out in my life. You got Steve Dash, Alan Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O'Neill, and Marcus Canby. Two point guards and two centers, essentially. And then a shooting guard in the middle. So the fit doesn't make sense at all with 1996. But this talent is ridiculous. And that is why.

I don't even care who's on 1997. I'm going with 97. I don't know. T-Mack and T-Mack and T-N-1926. Tim Duncan, Stephen Jackson in the middle, Chauncey Billups, those are good role players, Van Horn at Power 4. That team actually is a team that makes sense. Yeah, this is 96.

I'm going to... Tim Duncan's the best player here. I understand that. But then I see Steve Nash, Iverson and Kobe. I'm just like, those names don't fit together. At their prime, Team Mac might be the third best player here. I don't even believe that. Fourth best player here. You don't think you don't. I don't believe that at all. But I don't know.

I would not discount the fact that 1997 would be an actual team that would be good, though. Yes, but if we are playing, like, and that's fair. But if we're playing in like 96, 97 rules, I just need Iso and that's fine. There's no ball moving happening. There's no spacing happening. Everyone's standing around. Okay.

That's fair. That's the best argument is that they're going to play bullshit basketball regardless. So give me Kobe at Iverson. You got three MVP versus one. Tim Duncan just won one, right? No, you have four MVP's. Four MVP's. Because Nash has two.

Iverson has one. Oh, okay. I was just saying, like, which player was one? Yeah, you're right. True. Okay, we'll go 1996. Talent wins out. 2011, verse 2010.

Kyrie, Clay, Butler, Kauai, and Usovich. Or John Wall, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Derek Favors, and DeMarcus cousins. Let me tell you about 2015 Johnwell, man. 2016 John Wall, which was his prime, best of the best, special times. With that being said, he's getting clap, 2011 wins quite easily. Derek Ferris guarding Kauai Leonard Oh, you're cooked Gordon Hayward

Listen, you had a great run Right, a nice little moment 2011 is It's a different beast Yeah, listen to Marcus Cousins You will get Nicole Levousovitch's number You will dunk on him several times

And when you do it You look at the scoreboard You'll be down by 35 Yeah Who does Kauai choose to guard here? Probably whoever has the ball Yeah Do him and Butler

on John Wall and Paul George they're just clamping them I want to see I want to see Clay on John Wall as you know I want to see Clay on PG Jimmy on John Wall I want to see Kowah and Gordon Hayward

Why would you want to just ruin Gordon Hayward today like that exactly That's the exact point Just to ruin his knife Well now you got Kyrie regarding Derek Favors Listen we can do that I dare you be me with Derek Favors I'm okay with I so every time

If you're going to be me with Derek Kavar's postups Go for it 22 versus 2021 Ooh man These are teams Nemhart Dyson Daniels Jada Pallo and Chet

is crazy The defense is insane Ridiculous But K, Trey Murphy Franz Mowbley and Sengoon I think 22 fits a lot better And their strengths

Really shine They scream Compared to 2020 Mowgli and Sengu would be nasty together If Franz Wagner had a 40% 3 point shot

It would be them so easy If Franz Vagner had a 40% 3 points shot He would be an all NBA he'd be Paul George but they have two non not non shooters but they have two not great shooters in 2021 whereas 2020

you got spacing they really have like I'm going 2020 they really have like you have the better yeah 3 4 or 5 aren't spacing the floor tremendously Moby can shoot but it's not like yeah like Mobley's like a half I would want Moby will play center ideally in one of these lineups and you could have put Scottie Barnes over Sengoon but I felt they're yell at me

you're scared of them no I mean I think Sengoon deserves it Scottie Barnes is coming off a shit season Yeah, okay. I'm taking 22. Yeah, 22 for sure. They have better spacing and better shooting. What I talk about?

The connectivity. They pay like a team. That is a theme. They're interlocks. Exactly. Yeah. They're docking. 2012 or 2009?

2009. You just saw Curry just in 2009. I did. I didn't think about it. I didn't. They gave himself a chance to even give himself a chance. Because if I kept looking, I would have seen Todd Gibson right there. Yeah.

There is a Todd Gibson. Dude. You have DeMar, Griffin, Gibson. What the hell? I had no idea Todd Gibson was in the same draft class as Curry. Draymond and Anthony Davis is a ridiculous. And then Damian Lillard in his prime as a punk guard. 2012 is fucking filthy.

Out of everything that we've seen, 2012 is the best combination of talent and fit that we've seen. Yeah, that's the better team. Like, obviously, the backboard of Curry and Harding is ridiculous. 2012 is a better world, well-rounded team. Yeah, we're going to 22. Yeah, 2012 would win. Curry Hardin and Blake Griffin.

No, I mean, Curry and Hardin are getting some games. I mean, it's tough. Todd Gibson and Blake. We're not going to forget about Todd Gibson. I'm just saying like... Ethan Davis is mauling him, but we're not going to forget. I mean, listen, we can never forget.

To be fair, Dremont is putting Blake Griffin in a fucking straight jacket. But we're not going to forget the dunk contest. Yeah, it's 2012. When he fake jump over a car, it wasn't even a car. It was the hood. I could do that.

I'm not sure you could do that. I actually think I could. I know for a fact you can't do that. Don't put your limitations on that. I have never been more certain of anything my goddamn life that you cannot dunk over a fucking car. I have two stipulations.

One, obviously, I'm not dunking on a 10-foot room. If you put on a dunkable eight and a half, right? You still cannot do that. That's a lot of ground. That's like six and a half feet wide a car.

You just no chance you can do that. We got to see it in real life. I'm not going to lie. I hate when people think about what they can't do and try to put that on you know I really do hate that like there's zero percent

you can do that it really bothers me like it bothers me just because you don't believe in yourself doesn't mean I have to do that air bud what do you mean you can jump over a car can you jump over my desk I can't stand that I really can't stand

can't stand on the TV a car's absurd oh my god a car is stupid There's a lot of ground. Listen, we interact every day. We interact every day. But when we interact, like, we'll go out to eat.

We'll sit down, we'll talk, or whatever. We're not jumping around each other 24 and 7. We're not bunnies. We're not how we hang out. What was the last time you saw me joke? I don't have to see you jump until you catch up over a car. That's what I'm saying. You're just talking.

People are just talking about things they've never seen. A car is Atlantic. Oh, man. We've got to see it. Come on. 2013 or 2014? 2013. Oh,

fuck. Embed. Embedd and Yokech's together with Aaron one to three. Never mind. Sorry. I saw Yonison. But Yonis and Gobert. I'm like, yo,

that defense is crazy. That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter when you're going against Yokitin and B. Yeah. Oh, Ola Depot and KCP had some clamps. That's a good team for 2013. That's a good defense.

Yeah. You got defense and spacing. That is clamps. Two DPO-wise is pretty intimidating. You are. right but then you have a d p oi and marcus smart and bead was no such either yeah you do clamps and then aaron gordon as well lakers legend you got three good defenders in 2014 2014 is nice yeah i got 2014 i'm going 24 i can't even imagine yokech and b that on the court together that's such a like a

it feels like they don't even fit at all but they could probably figure it out they're too big yeah this is 2013 fits no no question marks yeah but i feel like yon kui can figure it out like i feel like it's that impossible. It's textbook High. Did you guys Zach Levine? It's textbook high, low high school offense. Yeah. We're doing all this nice passage. What makes it messy

is Aaron Gordon is there too. He'll just stand in the corner. Listen, Eric Gordon was shooting. He'll shoot. I guess. Will they go in? I don't know. So it's this past year, yeah. I'm going 2014. Yeah, I will too. All right, there we go. And that's

the last one. If you still hear of a comment, can't Donovan jump over a car. next year we're going to deal I don't care what they say Let's talk about these NBA lookalikes Ooh yeah So of course

We like to guess NBA players By all types of things But recently my head Has been so football Cota because if you didn't know We released a new show What three weeks? Five number three

Subscribe to House Call Check it out episode five is out Exactly in a house call You guys would know If you were tapped in That I am learning the NFL And I've been growing every single day

But guess what? Since I've been looking at all these faces, I'm like, yo, would it be cool to go ahead and take an NFL player and see if you guys could see the resemblance, gets the resemblance to an NBA player? I have a few here. They look identical to me, but I don't want to see if you guys can get the NBA player.

Okay, so we're guessing the NBA player about the NFL look like. You are correct. Okay, first player up. Who is this player? Jalen Ramsey. Who looks like Jalen Ramsey in the NBA? okay so i'm trying i'm trying to think about it low key like it's pages of the features not the hair yeah low key

or the tattoos like if you take away the hair braddy beel no not braddy bill but no not dmitch you're on the like good era for players okay good era players is 2000 2010 star yeah he is a guard correct he kind of looks like raddy bill so i'm trying to think of a little bit it's just the nose the only thing i'm thinking about like the smile i guess like pointy edges at the top of the smile which is a whole weird weird thing to describe. I mean, it is a good, it is, it is a good thing to look at them.

Oh, who does he look like? This is hard. A guard from the 2010s. And you are, he played in that conference too. In the Eastern Conference? Yeah. It's not Camboa. It's not, not John Wall.

You're not going to say Victor Oladipo. No, but you're along the right lines. So it's like an actual star? It's a star. That's not John Wall, is it? No, it's not John Wall. Yeah. Ha, who?

Demar? DeMar? Oh. Is that Demar? No. Is that Kyle Lari? Yeah, it's Kyle Lari. Okay.

Let's see the comp. I guess. Similar noses. We are reaching. We are reaching. If you look at older pictures of Ramsey, then you'd be like, oh, shit, I see it. Right now, no, but like him in the past. I guess they're like second cousins.

Okay. I'll take second cousins. They're there. I understand it. I don't condone it. I don't condone it. I don't condone it. Okay.

Next player. Who is. this guy who looks like Alex Smith T.J. McConnell. It is Alex Smith, but who is this guy? Not T. Jim McConnell. Oh, this is the tip of my tongue. It just looks is this, um, Kaminsky. No, he doesn't play anymore. Is this Mr. Baggetter?

What is his name? Small Ford got the bag? No, he's not a small for it. Not from the Mavericks. What? It's not Chandler Parsons? No. That is a good cop, though. He might look like him more than Charlie Park. You said Mr. Baggetter and I started thinking about

like why players with like edits because I heard Mr. Backgetter and I was like Bafandilo? Yeah, exactly. I was like, you're talking about a rap? No, no, no, no, no. The original.

He's retired. Okay. And he's a guard. It's not John Stockton? No. No. Again, I'm just naming White's here. It's not Jason Kid.

Is it Jason Williams? No, he played heavily in the mid-2000s. Mid-2000s. Yeah, also played in the early 2010s as well. Steve Blake? Yes. Oh, yeah, that's Steve Blake? Yes, it is.

Okay, fair enough. Okay. I can understand that. That's, I guess so. That's Alex Smith with scary eyes. Okay. That's a crazy version of Alex Smith. I see a lot more like Neil Brennan, but okay.

Wow. Listen, cover up the eyes. Look at the bottom half of the face. They're fucking twins. Yeah, you're absolutely correct. Who is this player? I wonder. I wonder who Burger McFarlane's NBA cop might be.

Gee Willicker, who might this person be? Who is his son? Perhaps one little. Zion Williamson? You are correct. Zion Williamson. Easy one. Boy, you look just like your daddy.

Exactly. They're twins. There's that one specific picture of Logan were falling in the suit. We don't got that pulled up. But if we did, absolutely twins. It's a shame,

Zion is not a left tackle. It really is. Who is this player? In another lives, Zion Williamson would be Julius Peppers. Trent Williams. Whoa.

The comps are crazy. Oh my God. Who is this? This is Vince Mill. I don't know. I don't see an NBA player here. You don't see an NBA player. You don't see the NBA player here.

The, the NBA player? Yeah. Is this supposed to be obvious? It is LeBron. Yeah, it's obvious as hell. You see it. They got the same nose and mouth, that is LeBron if I drew here,

and then I got an eraser and I smudged it all up. It's like fracified LeBron. Yeah. You draw with pencil and you rub your elbow on it and then you get LeBron. up your asshole on it. What's the opposite of yassifying someone? Yamifying someone.

Yamifying. Oh, okay. The yams are there. I know. They have the same nose, bro. I guess I, yeah,

I guess I see why I read it told you that they look alike, but I would not have guessed it. Who is this player? Oh. Tyler, one. Yonis Valentunis?

This is Yonis Valentunis. You are correct. Yeah, we imported our own Travis Kelsey. This is Yonis Valenciunis. They are the look alike. if he shaved his beard they probably wouldn't look too much alike they would just be two white dudes but they both got big pointy beards exactly who is this player teddy bridgewater

i have never thought i didn't know he had a people thought he had it if it looked like yeah look in the eyes it's how deep his eyes are how deep his eyes are yeah staring to him basket dreamy get lost losing lose yourself at his eyes i don't know victor olipo you are wrong But you are No, it's not, you're a good kid It's not I promise it's not He is

He played predominantly In the Eastern Conference His most famous years Are in the Eastern Conference He's a guard No, no It's a guard It's not an African dude

I mean technically is But like You know Oh okay Guard in the Eastern Conference Lance Stevenson He played in the same era as Lance, but also played in the 2010s, a little bit pre-2010s as well. I'm just seeing the face.

I don't even know. I have no idea. No bells are being wrong. Who is this? This is Ronda, Rajon Rondo. All right. You see it? No.

You see it. This is ridiculous. No. I should have given our graphic design of the pictures that would like really scream to you guys. Yeah, you should have. These are nothing else. They look alike, man, swear. Who is this player?

In an alternate, also, this looks like, this looks like the player we're about to say in an AI, like, created pictures. Yeah, yeah, you got rock to give you a picture of Brony James. Yeah. This is Brony James. Yeah, this looks like it could be another child of LeBron. It looks like, yeah, it looks more like LeBron than. It looks like Brony's half brother.

Like you threw some other jeans in there with LeBron. This would be him. Hey, man. And listen, people have said, like, Brody should be a cornerback. Like, listen, 6-2-215. Put your hand in the dirt, put on some pounds, and rush that edge.

4-4-40? I know Bronny would have an amazing bend going around the edge. That checks out. Next comp. You got Nadamakan Su. Okay. You call him to Duncan.

He did. It's in the Dunkin? No. I thought it's an Adama can sue. It is Nadamican, but it's different. Boogie. Now, no, it's all buggy. this player was drafted in 2018.

Draft in 2018. And I believe he was a late first round pick, maybe early second round pick. Grand Williams? No, not Graham Williams, but that's not bad. I can kind of see that. Yeah, Loki. He was drafted in my team.

I'll say that. You don't think of my bottom probably ever at all. Okay. So think about the Hawks 2018 draft last. They drafted Trey and somebody else that year? Yeah. Oh, is this Omari Spellman? Yes, it is.

That's a good. That's a solid. one yeah okay uh see none of the true twins but once again you draw them with a pencil you smudged up a little bit you got indomacin sue that's decent who is this player rick fox no not rick fox that kind of looks like rick fox in the face it's the thing eyebrows yeah yeah and the smile the whitest teeth known a man he'd be smiled this probably be smiling these days too who is the he's retired barber he is very much retired who's the NBA barber magic johnson no not magic john I'm seeing something.

I'm identifying some trait. Wait a minute. Is this Kobe Bryant? No, not, look at the nose in the eye. Kobe's not bad, but you're in this, you're in the right like arrow.

It kind of looks like Kobe. Yeah. It's not Kobe's not the right. Yeah, he's of that era for sure. This looks like you morph Rick Fox and Kobe together. It does. Oh,

so who does that sound like? He's another high fire, Hall of Famer. Vince Carter? Yes. Vince Carter. Yeah. Okay.

I see this one. Yeah. That's a decent one. okay yeah very much retired there you go and that's it nice okay there's some decent ones in there then there is it's not bad there's about half bullshit half that i could kind of see what you're coming from man oh man when i saw these i was like yo i was at the gym yesterday just pumping iron i'm like y'all I'm cooking right now pumping iron the next thing we're going to do we're going to play a game of keep four cup four we're going to keep four cut four with young NBA players

so these are all players underneath the age of 25 you got to tell me who you'd rather have on your team. So, you guys, he'd be selling every fucking time, dude. He is the, he is the worth that keep for cup. We always end up arguing with him. I didn't realize that. He really does sell. He really is a terrorist. He's not. Yeah. First name, Palo Ben Carroll. Cut. Now, but. We're keeping him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, all-star. Okay. Start. Start somewhere. Well, I take like Michael Jordan next. notably Michael Jordan under age of 25 Evan Mowley

I forgot Evan Mowley We have to keep Evan Mowley Yeah if you keep Pallow you can't DPOI Exactly Yeah But you know you only got so many spots

You gotta be more strict though now Do we? Yes I'm not sure You know Well you only have two to zero So you're not you're starting off unbalanced We have to be

Dyson Daniels I love him but cut DPI Y level defender I love him He's on my team. You do have to cut him, though. I'm so sorry, Dyson. He's just not on the level of these two guys at all.

He's a tear below him. Maybe two. Yeah. Let's go maybe two. These are maybe two. Four. Hold on now. Yeah, yeah.

That's disrespectful. But these are all NBA caliber guys. Moly's going to be a top ten player in the world pretty soon. Zachary, Riesichet, but they don't want to talk about that. Well, damn, I have to cut them, too. What the fuck? Why you putting me in this position? I just want you remember your team's players

Some bullshit, man Yep Cut Reza Keep name of Hawks so we can cut them And hell not I'm gonna start doing some bullshit now Jalen Williams J-dub

I thought you're gonna say Jaylen Zots okay We're keeping him You have to You have to keep it He just Listen, 13 team all NBA

One of the best defenders in the league Drop 40 in the finals With a broken wrist Tough Doesn't get much better One of the so far like the second best defender at everyone in this list considering what he can do in the paint too

Kim over Dyson okay yeah he can do a little bit everything as a defender okay Jdub welcome to keep next up Scoot Henderson cut easiest cut of my life he is the worst player here Scoot Henderson versus you would not take Scoot over Richie say on your team I didn't say anything I didn't I'm just pointing to you the big amount I was like yeah the same thing he's a parent for hate

he's beating down the oxman yeah I thought you do like this guy No, I was like, yeah, thanks What he said All right, there you go One spot left in each You guys must be careful Don't know where we're going with this One cut one keep

Cade Cunningham We have to keep Kate Cunningham Is there anyone else In your mind Who's under 25 who might show up There's nobody that I would feel bad about If Cade was like If we kept Cade

There's nobody else That would be like What if it's when You have no regrets what if it's Wemby that's the guy you would have a regret you are true

is that the only thing that we're banking against yes pretty much Wemby maybe Anthony Edwards I think he cuts me to cut too so you want to cut Kave I'm gonna follow you

because I know he'd be on bullshit whatever he wants to do we can do you want to pair Kuttingham right next to Ski Anderson I'm gonna whatever he wants to do

we can do there we go let me drive this car let's see where we end up I'm cutting K we're cutting k cutting him sorry kate last name is jalen johnson you know what this wasn't evansky this is not terrible you cut kuttingham you overthought it you thought it you thought you were a genius look at you i thought anthony was going to be here this dummy you're accusing him of selling look what

you did but listen 2010 and five all around player good rebounding good playmaker force at the rim it don't get much better than that you know you almost didn't so well until you overthought it. You try and be a team player. This is why I take the last shot. This is why I look at you and I say this. But we lose every time still, though. That's why.

This is a more respectable way. We say we don't ever win. Okay. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do a tier list. We're going to do a tier list of the every, well, of the, we're going to do a tier list of every coach in the NBA right now. Interesting. Okay.

And it's actually every, it's most coaches the NBA, I should say. Because there's a lot of them this year that just got their job. We're not putting Jordan a lot on this list. And there's some from last year that were first time had coaches that we didn't include. So this is 20 coaches of the 30. All the notable ones that we have a good feeling of who they are. That's fair.

First off, let's start with Jason Kidd. Where does you go? He made the NBA finals. Are we counting like their entire career? Who they are today. Who they are today? As a coach, how confident you are about winning a championship led by this player. See, Jason Kidd is like the Jamal Murray of Coach's way.

He's going to turn up when the playoffs. but also he has to have like Alco just have to have one of the best players I don't think off I don't know he's a really good defensive coach in the playoffs he rises and like he's really good at game plans trolls in the regular season and waste a lot of games trying to figure things out and experiment that pisses fans off feel like it's a beat to me

B has potential to be A but B feels good I mean when they actually like built a team around them and like they got to the finals he did also maximize carrying Luca as well forcing Luca to play off ball and he has a team now that is to his vision of long lengthy defenders so it should be good but I feel like B's fine

Is it his vision or Nico's vision? Is there in cahoots? Is the vision aligned? See he's trying to pretend he wasn't involved in that conversation but we know the truth I feel like he's top of B that feels fine I will say that Top of B feels good okay Chauncey Billups

somebody whose job we were calling for before last year but figure some stuff out saved his job last year made that team defend incredibly well I feel like he's a good defensive coach at the very least yeah if there was a most improved coach Chauncee would get it yeah still C or D though he he scaved off the F allegations

but still C or D I would I would go see just because Portland really started to look like really competent and they could start hanging their hat on something and so when you're trying to take steps forward you're trying to create an identity having something that you know is this is how we play basketball

that's very very important so I would put them in But the offense is pretty... I think he belongs to see because even... Who's on offense, though? Who's on their team? Bro, he ran some bullshit offensively. The amount of times I saw DeAndre Aden just standing around. He got to blame for it.

Like, he's garbage because their offense is nonsense. The most stagnant ball screen offense you've ever seen your goddamn life. I feel like he's got to be D. There's a lot of good coaches here. Look at the offensive talent, though. Shaden Sharp. He was not maximizing and Scoop.

And none of these players are maximizing. But like, I'm like a fault. I think because he can establish himself on one end very well, it's arguably the most important. and end on the basketball court. I think he belongs to the East. D's like, we can move off. You guys are incredibly generous, but okay, well, you'll see.

I'm I voted. Incredibly generous. Eric's Bolstra. S. He's the longest tenured coach in the league. That's so crazy. We're at that point now where he's like, he's the veteran. Yeah.

And he's never won a coach of the year too, which is just straight up politics. I mean, he never won 50 games without Brown either. Oh. Shut up. He's made two finals runs that everybody attributes it to Jimmy Bullard. I guess so. I guess so. Yeah, he's a big part of this team somehow being relevant for the 2020s and 2010s without

LeBron, like you said, half pitch to Jimmy Butler, half of his air exposure. The stuff that he did to maximize talent, utterly ridiculous. He gets the most of the shitty role players to the point where they go and get mid-level exception contracts in other teams and their garbage and other dead weight, like, gave them some. Yeah, we see it time and time again. And then also, too, I remember when Braun just like immediately left and they were running the Chris Boss era and how he was like the number one option for a little bit even that after that era too they were like somewhat still mediocre we all thought they were going to be a straight

lottery team yeah so us okay i'm a udoka i'm going i'm going in it i think you've seen even and obviously like this is in his last stop but made the finals had was very very instrumental in the in the turnaround with boston comes to houston one of the most pitiful franchise franchises in that moment and has turned it around. They got 50 wins. Yeah. Minimum it. The only thing that's stopping him from being S is that he hasn't won the championship

just yet. And that's a straight-up timing. Yeah. Yeah, he's like made a finals run with one team. Help get him over the hump of always being in the conference finals. Goes to a new team. Takes him from rebuilding to two-seed right away. Easy A tier.

Okay, this is a fun conversation with him being a. Joe Missoula, the guy who took that finals team and helped him win it all. With the help of Chris Haasersers and Drew Holiday. So it's not just Joe Missoula. He was there for that. Revolutionized their offense and their approach with volume three-point shooting. They kind of perfected NBA math for his season because of him. Yeah.

Do we want to call it? Listen, you win a championship, it does, it does take a lot to get there, obviously. And he did get better, like in the, in the years, like from 23 to 24 to to win the title. Like, you did see improvement from him. I kind of think you have to go A Yeah, top of A probably You can't be S-tier You don't have the sustained excellence

To the top end making them most out of nothing With mediocre talent, rising them up Like some of the guys in S-tier That's really like I think what the top trick cook does It's like can they get more out of these players They can get out of themselves I wouldn't say Joe Mizzou does that But

I don't know about that Because he'd be having you questioning life sometimes With the craziest shit that he says You're right, I'm talking about Peyon Pritcher To the top fucking 15 point guard Some weeks So maybe he is like that But I think top of A is fine

You think he's better than Ami Yudoka? I don't think so. I think Aimei deserves a spot. I don't know how to parse it. But it's weird. Yeah, you're weird. It's weird. I'm an amazing defensive coach.

Isn't, he hasn't led brilliant offenses. They really blow your mind. It's not like he's incapable, but like the Rockets offense wasn't a sight to behold in the half court last year. I don't think any coach could make that thing, though, with the talent that they had. But I think Rockies fans would tell you there was a lot more. There was some meat left on the bone offensively that they don't feel like he got the most out of that group. And Joe Mozilla, it's not like he's a nonsense defensive coach.

It's pretty simple, switch everything. He's very, like, modern in that way. But led one of the best two-way teams of all time. Okay, that's fair. As long as they're gonna, no one can go ahead. Yeah, right next to each other. Okay. Kenny Atkinson, coached the year.

I love him. I think he deserves to be an A. Revolutionized the Cleveland Cavaliers with a whole new offensive approach that completely maximized their talent. Listen, I think he changed Evan Moby's offensive life. He's also made Donovan Mitchell and, him and Garland like poses a lot more. Darius Garland is a corner three-point merchant.

I really like, I really like Kenny Atkinson because even in Brooklyn when he was there with maximizing talent, he goes to Cleveland. They were already a good team to take them from whatever they were last year to now be at 64 wins in your first year on the team that had drama going into the offseason, had potential trade requests. you brought everything together, it's minimum A. And I guess like if we're reserving S tier for like, you know, like championship level coaches, then fine. We could do that. But Kenny Akinson is at the top of the league as a coach. Okay.

We can go ahead. Yeah, it's between A or B. And we can go ahead. That's fine. Chris Finch. He's kind of the opposite, Jason Kidd. He's really good at building a program and having a floor in the regular season, putting his players in right positions to succeed.

Dog shit at adjustments within season, within playoff series. Does zero adjustments. their fans will tell you. So I feel like he's the same level with Jason Kidd, just completely opposite. I think he belongs in B. There's nothing like revolutionary necessary that he's done for the game,

especially in the playoffs when it matters the most. And he'd be complaining to the media. Yeah. I have like, I had scarred in my brain hearing him cry about the refs at the posting press conference trying to like play the mental game and get the refs to get less calls.

And it worked. Yeah. The OCC got less calls the next game. But it was shameless. And you know, what i respect the coach for being shameless for the betterment of the team shout out to him because i hear coaching on one leg i like true oh that is true that's so random he was coaching on one leg did he he did he did wait was it they said i think he was

a ceo and he was out there oh my god jj reddick rick he head coach see this is why this is why chonsie bulbs has to be d because j jrredic is see. Tanger Reg is unproven. He's had good stretches, but also some flaws. But overall, like, he led a three-seat with so much in the air, turmoil in the air. He still found a way to make them succeed, gimmick their way to a solid defense post-Luca trade and found a way to be decent in the regular season.

To me, he's the definition of a C-tiered coach right now. I think, yeah, the amount of turmoil that they went through, I haven't seen any NBA coach over the last few years, be able to have wild highs and lows, change your entire. not your entire starting lineup, but change important pieces to your starting lineup and like be better, just maximize your outcome as well. I think me person, I might put him in B. Now, he's too flawed still. His offense wasn't great for most of the year and then the playoff stuff in that elimination game where he ran the starters for like 48 minutes, trying to big brain it. He's way too, way too green right now to be B.

Way too green. This looks way too stressed all the time. So I think he should be C and Billup should be D. personally. Okay. Let's put him top of C tier. In the same tier as Billups? Yep. For now. Bro, who do you think Chonsie Billups is? He's a decent defensive coach. Bro, he sucks.

We could put him in D, but we got to see who else lies in C first. All right, man. Billy Donovan. Feels like a C top of guy or D. He might belong in D. Now, we can move Chonsie down to D. Because Billy Donovan is the definition

of C tier coach. Correct. the most average coach coaching the most average team for a long time so average that he likes it he signed an extension with the bulls like four days ago which is crazy because like what do you do what do you do and like dude i remember he was actually beefing with the front office a couple months ago saying like i don't i'm not sure what our direction is and there was just a clear disconnection yeah nobody knows the bull's direction and nine people in the building they obviously he's going for like your four of playing championships every year making it to the 10 seat every single season you know what And, like, I'm listening to, they gave him a bag, they gave him a bag. But, like, I don't know. He's like the...

Right now, guess what Billy Donovan's record with the Bulls is. Probably exactly 500. Maybe a little bit below 500. A hundred and ninety-five wins to two hundred and five losses. Damn near 500. Yeah. Is that like 49% win percentage? It's as close to 500 as you can get.

Like, it's that... Don't you want more for yourself in the life? One playoff appearance in five years. And he just got the extension. That's crazy. He got a game. money man good for him he's a third longest yeah he's he's he's secured his spot for the third longest in the NBA compared to every other coach is just him Steve Kerr and spolstra

that's crazy he's a definition of fine I can't even say you don't maximize your town or you don't succeed you're the coach the bulls I have no clue what the ceiling is of these bullshit rosters perfectly fancy so you go in you work with the talent you do what you can hopefully JJ Reddick can elevate this coming season we think you can but right now with him being so young in a mixed bag, it makes sense to put, like, the perfectly neutral coach right there next to him. Yeah, I guess.

Quinn Snyder. Hmm. Very clear that when Quinn Snyder is coaching your team, you go have some good offense. Yeah. That is very clear. Yeah. The Hawks have, like,

the weirdest holes and flaws of the roster over the last few years. And this past year, it's looked better, but again, we've, like, just gone through injury. So it's hard to gate him as a coach, but I feel like he just belongs in C. He's going to try to maximize your defense, stunting a lot of passes

and all that. He's more talented on the offensive end as a coach, most definitely, more creative. But he hasn't done anything like game breaking or change in my life necessarily. He hasn't had the opportunity to, so I think he belongs to see. Yeah, he's a good offensive coach that maybe he could prove to be as good as Chris Finch

if he had Anthony Edwards as the lynch bit of his team and the DPOI, but yeah, C feels fine. And he had the DPOI way back in Utah Doc Rivers Oh yeah, I forgot He had DeMitch and Go there Yeah

Oh maybe he is the same level They both were just making runs And getting shit shit on by better teams Yeah Maybe he's beatier, I don't know He could be beatier But right now I think Your team right now

You also kind of Attributes of that But he's also kind of swaggy With the red glasses How do you do about that He wears Farragamo belt a lot Put him in B tier Put him in B tier

His team is just ass For the Farragamble belts Doc Rivers Listen So we hate on Doc a lot Like also dessert You know And we're gonna do it some more right now

He's D-tier He's D-T-T-D-T-T. He doesn't do anything When he got hired I understood it Okay You want to get Griffin out of here And bring in somebody that can be

Competent If you want a professional He's been here before Yada yada yada Name me one identifiable thing About the team that got better After that Respect

No we did not I respect them So much less Then I did the first half of last year So much less I have zero respect for the bucks As a roster or an organization And a motherfucking crew

One thing that I do hate the most It's so annoying Is how he eliminated Andre Jackson Jr. From the starting lineup Never plays young guys No, the league passed him by offensively He's not some genius anymore Didn't even necessarily make their defense better

The defense is fine He's not an incompetent coach But he does not elevate in really anyway If not respect from you He's at least a respectable name In the locker room I guess he can go see Because Billy Donovan's I see

I suppose it can be next to each other like just like blank slate average as coaches I don't know I don't know if you can really do that too because dog river stinks I don't I put him in D he runs rudimentary schemes he has great he's had

MVP's to holster him get him solid results I think if you put him on an average team and tell him go meet them competitive with without one of the best players in the NBA I don't imagine there's any super strength they're going to make him

I agree with you I think yeah I think he definitely belongs MVP merchant if you give someone like Quinn Snyder or Chris Finch like Dame and Yannis are gonna definitely figure out a way to maximize those guys together

more than they already are He's just coasting off a name And again he's not even He's not like you hire him And you're gonna completely collapse Your team's disgusting You can't win He's competent he's been here for where

He knows how to do the basic stuff To be a team that can win a game Depending on your players But there's been so many years now Where he's done literally nothing To make it seems better In any tangible way that you can identify They're better because they have him

Put him back on ESPN man Please. Who's next? Tyloo. S. I think he belongs in S here. Fantastic defensive coach. He won an NBA championship.

He's a big part of the reason why the Clippers have been so respectable. Talk about maximizing your talent and like having the most random players just have star years. Like Lou Williams, Montres Harold won a sixth man of the year. Dudes out of the league now. Zubosh had a fantastic year as well. 17. Port per game scored. I love, I love Tyloo.

Yeah, listen, you didn't need to sell me, but you sold me. That's here for Tylo. Yeah, it's pretty easily, Esther. You could argue him as being the best coach in the NBA. You know who else is there's esteer now on the topic? Rick Carlyle. He does. What can we say?

Listen, the name that or the word that we've been throwing out this whole time is maximized and Rick Carlyle clearly figured out how to do that in Indiana. Everywhere he goes, he wins, he has a title, he's done all that. Okay. he had his he didn't win the championship this year nevertheless it was still a championship level coaching accolade this was one of the best

three rounds of in-game adjustments I've ever seen from a coach he put you know he put O'KC's coach in a fucking blender he put everybody to blender it was a crazy run at least for this year he deserves us tier we'll see if you can do it again without Halliburton and show he's still on that level or whatever

maybe next year we'll maybe not feel as great and past years we didn't feel as great and I don't I don't care when you lose the best player on your team for an entire year, clearly things are going to be different. So what he, what him and the Pacers did this year, that means a lot. He is, he is a S team. Okay.

Will Hardy. Offensive match for mine on the jazz, but he's on the jazz. And that's why I feel bad because he probably could be a B. He could be, but the jazz are holding him back. He's a better coach from Quinn Snyder, I think. I think he's a better offensive mind. His offensive system is legitimately brilliant and legitimately like made Larry Marketing a star.

And if you get competent players in there and play into his motion scheme and get the right type of wings in there, like hopefully A's Bailey that can do all the cutting, do all the running off the screens. Like he has a tangible skill set that can elevate players. So you want to go be? I think, I don't know if we can. Listen, and we're not just... I think JJ Redick has a tangible skill set too to elevate players.

Not like that, though. He just had like, I don't know. He had LeBron and Luca and Anthony Davis. He did not, not like that. He also had D. Angelo Russell, too, on his team, brus. Tancher Russell, not the worst player in the league. Not a big deal. Hardy is, I think, a top four or five offensive coach in the league.

It's hard to gauge. Yeah, again, just put him in. Just put him in. Yeah, again, the jazz are so dog shit. How can you talk about what he does on the defensive end? Exactly. That's why I feel comfortable being able to put him in C though, because it's just questions, you know. Yeah, but again, like, it's one of those things where we're not just looking at every coach's record.

You know, the same thing for Quinn Snyder. we're like, he's not on that level in terms of accomplishments, but we know he's like that. I feel similarly about Will Hardy. Okay. What do you guys on do with J.B. Bickerstaff? C. I think good coach. Okay.

Yeah, he's clearly, he's clearly somebody who can go in, raise the floor of your team, you know? And I, like, that, that matters. Being able to be the guy who comes in and fixes teams and makes them competent again, like,

Think about how bad the piston situation was. And then J.B. Biggerstaff comes in, stabilizes that along with, you know, free agents and everything. And we finally get to see a version of Kate Cunningham. And we're like, oh, that's, that's the all sign that we thought was going to be here when we, when we took him with the top pick of the drive. Is he who they want Doc Rivers to be? Uh, at this is he, like, he's like, new age Dr. Rivers.

Yeah, like everyone said, talks about Doc Rivers. Like, when they got hired by the bucks, like, they'll stabilize them. That's what everyone was saying. that he'll make them good enough. He won't hold them back. That's that's Pickersd. He's done that twice now, too, with the, obviously, the Pistons. And also he did that with the Cleveland Cavaliers when he first got there as well.

He was in the mud. Culture builder. When they had Lorry marketing and all that and built them up to the highest point until he wasn't able to, you know, be more creative as an offensive coach. You know, okay. Yeah, I like that. Let's see. I think you see.

He's a head of Billy Dolovan. Oh, for sure, for sure. Okay. I guess, I'm not even worried about the order, but we'll do that. Jory Fernandez. so unproven so it's hard to gauge him he's on the nets he is a he's a great coach he's smart though he's one of the best exes in those coaches in the league the defensive game plans that he was putting on in these random games that they shouldn't have been trying to win because

they should have been tanking but he was out here locking up lucid donchish because he has a mad scientist's brain where he's like i gotta blitz him i gotta blitz him and he was putting every opposing star in shackles for no reason i think he's going to be a s tier coach oh i think he's going to be i think it'll be eight year for sure at least but I think right now I think he's already be I think he's a diamond and rough yeah okay like that team that team was like the ninth

but it was like the eighth and ninth lottery odds they had it was something it was something like that was mostly because of Jordy Fernandez was on the team it's it's very clear like also whenever you whenever you're watching like bad teams it's it's clear who has like

who's bad but they're not bad they're bad just because like they aren't that good but not because like aren't playing hard or everybody on the team is like truly like should not be in the league like Brooklyn you you watched me like okay like I can by square I can kind of see what you guys are cooking yeah mark Dagnot pretty easy a tier to me yeah yeah he's see had he showed up in in some moments he could have been S tier but it's the the bad moments that he had in this playoff run really really shine

through his his inexperience really came through so it's like used to have another level to get through but if he can go through another year and make sure to not make those mistakes like filing up three with so much time left some of the however you want you want to parse the starting lineup changes going into the finals all that stuff

he can get to S tier very easily though the lights were a little bit bright but he did take one of the youngest teams in the NBA to a one seed and then a one seed and then a championship this is a this is the top tier coach he just has to get better at the small stuff that separates SNA yeah

uh jemal Mosley so hard to parse again elite defense builder great concepts offense is still dog shit honestly and he doesn't help that at all so I'm saying these two things one the offense being that bad is it's on Jamal Mosley it's also on the Orlando Magic as an organization because that predates Jamal however oh man this stuff is disgusting I don't like I think he's I like I like I like Palo I don't like watching the magic play basketball I don't like watching them play an offensive basketball.

I don't think DeMal Moseley is necessarily a innovative offensive coach at all, too, because it's like I don't even see them getting their attempts up. Now, maybe that could just be like natural player tendencies and all that. But when it comes to the sets that they run and just any, like sometimes how I know you're a good offensive coach is to watch how these players free flow and what their tendencies are. And I don't see anything that confuses me as like a normal pedestrian watching the league. at all. I don't know if he's that different

than Chauncey Blubes. And that was my number two where I was like, should we move Chatsy down? Are they the same? No, I think they're both D. Yeah, I think they're D. Yeah, I think they're both D.

I think having offensive competency is a very important thing. And the team doesn't have good shooting. Their star players aren't good enough shooters aren't good enough fitting together. It's on everybody, not just him. So we're not saying he's the reason they're holding them back.

But I think there's a tendency with young coaches that help a young team like breakout be interesting make the playoffs off of a strength like his defense where you're just like surely he's not the problem is the shooting and we kind of discount the role the coach plays in that and I think he's probably also to blame

just like all the other things you mentioned are yeah I agree his ceiling next year we could turn around with this new team with Desmond Bain and all the other good shoes that they have like Jason Richardson and all that he could be B if you tell me there's a world where the shooting is fixed and we see that he gets in some improvements

on his end too and he shows okay he's a beatier coach that's fine I believe you I would also believe you if the offense is also dog shit next year and Desmond Bain is an numerical worker and they end up firing them for somebody else to come in. I will say the offense in my mind they should have a top like 12 offensively if it's 15 or lower

he's not a good coach. It could be a little lower than 12 I think but it can't be like 25 again. Fuck no you got to be fired we have to get yeah we have to get out the bottom they got to be top 17 or 18 someone run that. Nah not I'm I'm with it I think I think top 12

is like their offense of talent still isn't If Franz is like, doesn't improve, then I could see like top 17, 16 or whatever. Then it's like, okay, whatever. Like your second best player literally refuses to improve on that end. You used, well, improve then. You're talking about three point shooting. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because Fons is great.

Franz and Paolo are just flawed. I think that they're the day, unless they fix their biggest issues, they're not going to be a great offense, I think, no matter how good Jamal Mosley is. But again, they have to just be decent enough that they can have a top five defense and still win. So, but moral of the story, D is fine for now. Charles Lee Do you have our first F tier coach? I only put him on here because we needed an F tier and we put somebody who

Charles Lee might prove to be a good coach he's had one year to do it on the Hornets it was a complete fucking disaster class and it's one of those things that it's hard to parse how much of it is him but I'm sure some of it is him and him being a rookie head coach because they were disrespectful

to the game of basketball at times last year you can't walk away saying anything good about the Charlotte Hornets nothing good. Yeah. You set him up to die. He might be a good coach. If he was in J.J.

Reddick's coaching Lakers, coaching LeBron James, Luca Donchage, Anthony Davis at times, maybe we would also say, okay, he's a solid coach with strengths, but he needs to put it together. He didn't get that opportunity.

So F purely because your situation and your lack of ability to show us something good yet. Jury's not out, though. Man, that fire is so crazy. Charlie, bro. The smoke is so heavy. You can't even see you, man.

Do you know how, like, I do feel bad for him because it is very hard. The entire internet believed that your best player tattooed Cheetos on his toes. And like, that's the, that's the talent and the personnel that you have to deal with on a day-to-day basis. Think about that. It was so clearly fake. And they were like, look at what La Mello Ball did again.

And he has to go in every day and work with that. Yeah, he's a, sorry, man. Last one, Steve Kerr. Four championships, dynasty. Count the rings. I don't care. This is Estier. If you were to talk to Warriors fans, they will convince you he is a C-tier coach.

And guess what? They are ungrateful pricks. Pricks. And I heard that word since 2012. And I will gladly take all four of their wings. Yeah, they're ridiculous. Everybody in the NBA respects Steve Kerr except for his own fan base. They're fucking lunatics.

They're a cult of Steph Curry. They think it's all Curry. Nobody else. Steve Kerr is a legendary coach. Ungrateful bastards. That's what I called. He's not perfect. He's not the best of developing young talent.

Also, the young talent they give him sucks. So no wonder he doesn't want to develop O'Marie Spellman. Exactly. The wonder he doesn't want to develop fucking Jonathan Camingo. Yeah, bro. They've given them nothing to develop on that as well. Oh, no, he didn't make Eric Pascal a star. He's terrible.

Exactly. The best young players that he's developed and who actually had juice and talent is Jordan Poole. Why isn't he Quinn Cook on the roster anymore? Yeah, very great coach. Yeah. And then we are. We got four S tier, four A tier, five B tier. It's a nice even split.

I like this. I like that. Okay. Who can you see making the biggest leap? Charles Lee, if he had a regular team. Can you imagine going from like an S-tier organization of the Boston Celtics to literally the worst team known to man? Yeah, no, tough break, tough break. And again, I didn't include most of the first year coaches that are on tanking teams just because it's, like, unfair to them.

Like, I don't have a good ree for how good Brian Keefe is yet. Like, I don't know. But we had to put someone in that up to. Between the NFL and the NBA are the shot horns the worst organization? Oh, no. Oh, they're not. No, they're not the worst organization in the NBA. They're not the worst organization in the NBA?

I don't think so. The Hornets? No. Who's worse than the Hornets? Pelicans. The Kings. Kings and Pelicans. I think the Kings.

In terms of like, like, are you talking about like stupidity in like how you're. And how you're all around. The Kings. Yeah. Kings and the Pelicans. At least the kings have like stomped on the talent and done things over the last years. No, they made one playoff run. And they had a decent year after that.

And they're completely employed because they made stupid decision after a stupid decision to build off that. Yeah, they have one playoff run in 20-something years. You're saying, oh, the Kings are great because they traded Tyreys Halliburton? Fantastic.

No, I'm not saying they're great. I just don't think they're as stupid. I think the Hornets are stupider because, look, you said the Kings had two playoff run. These guys have had like two play in runs. So, like, how much worse are we talking about right now? You're right.

It's shit against you. I don't know. The Hornets are bad because, obviously, like, they don't bring talent into the building. The Kings have talent in the building at certain times and then choose to do stupid things with that talent. I think I'd rather be the Kings because you get for a little bit further compared to the Hornet. They had the longest playoff drought in NBA history.

Oh my God. All right, man. Who cares? It's a ridiculous conversation. You know what? Kings FC versus Hornet's. Yeah. I'm finally Hornet's Fis.

Ridiculous team. But I did, listen, I did tweet out. I am firmly Wizard of C. Wow. I am that. You're nasty. Disgusting. Next thing we're going to deal.

We're going to play NBA Start Bench Cut. We're going over to hoopgoat.com to play the Start Bench Cut feature. You guys know how this works. We got three players. Got to pick which one we want to be in our lineup, which one we want to be a reserve, and which one is getting the boot. First names, we got Jared Allen, Miles Turner, Bam, out of bio. I got you guys, and I will speak for all of us.

Let's start with Bam, out of bio. Dude, we did not start. Thank God. This is done on purpose. You cannot speak for all of us. I promise you, I was going to make the right choice. I promise. This was deserved, man.

Please, the Lord saved us as soon as you said that, bro. And it was 100% intentional too. That was hilarious. Okay, we're back. And then back to it. I'm going to still speak for it. So again, Ben Matabio, we're going to start him. Jared Allen, we're going to bench him and then Miles Turner can get cut.

There's really no conversation we had between these three. It's very easily. You agree with that? Of course I agree with you. People watching this are going to be like, wow, would you go ahead and cut Miles Turner? I can speak for all of us. Not at all times. But I agree with you.

You got it for this one. Yeah, that one's nice and easy. There's two times this episode. Isaiah Thomas, Chris Paul, Jason Kidd. Three legendary point guards. Line them up just like that. You're cutting Jason Kidd? Yeah.

I am. I think Chris Paul, yes, Chris Paul is a better player than Jason Kidd. Yeah, I'm cutting Jason Kidd for sure. I don't know if I want to start Isaiah Thomas to start Chris Paul. Like, we're not doing like career accomplishments. Obviously, IT is a better all-time player. peak for peak I might want to start Chris Paul I would have hate you if you said that

you really can't go wrong it's really just like shooting is the only difference they're both at their peak great slasters great defenders best pass in the league it's really just Chris Paul is a better shooter yeah but it's even hard to talk about shooting too for that era because like Isaiah wasn't a bad shooter as well

yeah fuck it we'll respect our elders if Isaiah played today he'd be a good three point shooter we'll start him yeah and a 47% of people agree with us That's two for two, by the way. Oh, you're a genius. You take credit for that nice. Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Shaquillo O'Neal.

All right, so we're going to speak as a collective. Damn, yeah. I don't want to do this by myself. Okay, so we're doing just everybody at their peak how good they are. I want to start Shaq. I think. I think I want to start Jack. This is the hardest conversation I think we've had yet.

I think I want to start Shaq. And I think I want to bench magic. I'm sorry. Just how good they are at their peak. Tim Duncan is all-time great. you can tell me the top five player it's because longevity great peak but these are two of the best peaks of all time we're talking about 100% peaks and that only how good they are at basketball i could agree with you at their absolute best shack is absolutely best you can tell me

it's one of the top three peaks we've ever seen yeah i undoubtedly made to start him to me peak okay so we're start executive decision we're starting him but bench you can convince me timnoken if you want but you really can't though because i also do still think it's mad at Magic. Executive decision again. We're putting magic on the bench. Donovan has no words because he hurts the soul to admit that Tim Duncan's fucking to cut. There's a reason why he ditched to us.

No, because I don't know. Because I think personally I might have started magic. Oh, no, I'm fine starting Shaq. Do you agree with that? Yeah, I'm fine. I'm definitely starting Shaq. It's not a definite. If that's your biggest qual of them, we're benching magic.

We're cutting Tim Duncan. It sucks, but it is what it is. Only 18% people did that. Most people did Matt. Most people would cut Shaq. fuck off you guys are idiots no i mean if they're talking about like overall totality of an NBA career then yeah

it would make sense to okay maybe they're doing an all-time ranking type thing yeah exactly it will make sense to cut shack okay yeah yeah but if we're talking about peak then sure there's so many ways to go but regardless of the fact like madge dancer remains constant i don't like that shack is the the top two choices cut shack you guys are insane but again people probably think about it like all-time rankings

and he's the one that people typically rank lowest these three because of longevity so i guess i understand that yeah but in our version of peak no chance you're cutting shack yeah would you cut jack maybe in our version no

I don't think you would in our version if we're talking about like longevity and just overall totality career I'm cutting shack you think like 2002

Duncan or whatever the best version is is better than Prime Shack I mean that it's obviously a debate they're close yeah but like the like okay

so like the O3 run of Duncan and like that like carry job and everything that he was doing like that's crazy it is it is So it's like, it's something that Shaq, Shaq never carried to that level, right?

Well, I mean, I guess to that level because he had Kobe, but I don't know, 2000 Shaq was pretty clearly like the preeminent force on the team. Of course, of course. I just think it's also, I don't know, I mean, it's debatable. It's hard. It's hard.

Okay. Jordan Pool, Drew Holiday, Jalen Green. Who's the best this year? What are the best this one for currently this coming season? Uh, shit, man. This is hard. This is more so a conversation between Drew Holiday and Jordan Pool, if we're being honest. Yeah, I think I like Jordan Pool a little more than Jaylon Green.

But, like, it's not like Jordan Pool is a star. It's close. You know, as low as we are on Jaylon Green. If we, if we reduce the standards to putting him in Jordan Pool conversations and not Kate Cunningham conversations, it's close, I suppose. Yeah, but when you are the one who keeps putting yourself in Kate Cunningham conversations, we're going to hold you to that standard. So, sorry.

To do you want cut Jalen Green? We're cutting him easy. Go ahead. cut. I mean, it's not easy. It's easy. Okay, fine. Fuck it. It's easy. Do we feel like Drew Holiday could go back to being on ball and still has a little more juice in him that he can be a two-way player and not just a corner sitter? He has one more year. And in that one year, he can play 65 games, maybe 62 as the on-ball creator. Okay. Sounds like we're starting Drew Holiday. We're benching Jordan Poole. 40% of people agree with us. That is the consensus. Okay. Fair

enough. I love this agree with you percent thing. That's such a cool immediate feedback. Next up, Lou Dort, Andrew Nimhardt, and Aaron Neesmith. This is good. This is difficult. All right, well, we just ranked these guys. We did. Okay, so Lou Dort's the best defender here. So he can't get cut.

He can't get cut. He's a more limited offensive player, but still a great shooter, but not as good of a shooter as knee smith. But still, he's a, he's a better defender. If you have, you have the best defender on this list and the guy who can shoot 40% from three, I'm going to start Ludorne. Okay, I'll start Ludort as well

But first, Emil D. Yeah, obviously, I'm going to remain consistent on my list. I'd rather start Nemhard. But that's fine. And I think we should, but I think we should bench Nemhardt,

for sure. I think, who's better between Nemhard and Neismith? Fuck. Nemhard is an elite defender at the guard position, obviously, as well.

Very good defender. Elite, he's elite at defending Shea, so we remember that? He had the exact skillset for Shee. He's not, first team old d or anything he's not first he's not he's not in that conversation but neither is i mean neither is he's not yeah but i think he's a little bit closer to that i like the all

the size maybe but yeah yeah more and but i think nismith's offense the reliability of being 42 ridiculous quick trigger shooter is better than the inconsistency we've seen from nemhart when mars are at his best and he's in those snatchback threes and obviously like those games salute you're probably going to start you that hasn't been every game of his career in a whole season you know yeah that is fair but the shootings put up and down but what it's up. He's ridiculous. Game on the line. Give me N'Hard. He's mixing.

Mixing Shane. I'm like, oh my goodness. But again, yeah, I just like the on-ball stuff from Nemhard. Okay, we'll mention Nymard. I'll buy you that a little more. And 31%. This is the second option. Most people will start at Nemhardt over Lude Dort. And people have the vision of those snatchback threes in their head.

I understand it. I get it. Hakeem Olajuan, Nicole Yokich, Larry Bird, all there at their peaks. Who are we cutting? This is nasty. This is insane. Peak for peak.

we don't want to do that though we don't want to do that though we don't want to do that are we starting Larry Bird Is that the easy one? I don't know if it's Yeah it's not easy they're all some of the best players We should start Larry

We start there Now the question is The best offensive center of all time Or the best defensive center of all time I don't like the way that this is going to look Elaborate I feel like we should Hakeem.

It is because you don't like the way it looks. No. But I, like, obviously, the offense from Yokic is on another level, something we've, like, never, ever seen. But with Hakeem's level of defense and his ability to still score 25, 30, if needed, he has, he has a little midi, right? That is true. His game might be able to translate, like, if you put him in this era.

I think it definitely would. I think it would translate pretty well. Yokish is the goat. Yeah, I think we have to cut Yokic, man. But he's the goat. I think, yeah, I love me too. And he's one of my goats, but I think for now we might have to cut yokees. So he's a two-way player, but an all-around player, clearly.

Can he carry a team to the same level in the playoffs? Like, we see Yokic. Obviously, he can carry teams. We want championships for a reason. But, like, I'm just imagining, like, the teams that Yokish is winning with, the offense is him. And, like, the defense is obviously. Is it better enough, you know, like?

I think it would, I think it would, yeah. If you swap out Kenny Smith for Jamal Murray, then it's repeating. I don't know how much of a difference that is. Jamal, I actually, that's a seismic difference. It's the difference with Yolkich. I don't know. Seismic difference for Hakeem. It's not seismic.

You don't like Jamal Murray. He's good with Yokic, but I don't think Jamal Murray would be a, just like. I'm just comparing him to Kenny Smith. I don't think Katie Smith is a bum. Okay. Well, Bench and Hakeem, cut Yokic. 46% of people who are here with us. We made the right choice.

It was a difficult choice. Hurt us in the heart, but it need to be done. I didn't want to say it, but I had to. Yep. Sometimes realities aren't the fun part. John Moran. This guy's a dreamer. John Morant, De Aaron, Fox, Tray Young.

You want to cut, y'all. We know it. I don't want to cut you. I want to cut you. I don't want to cut you. I guess we... I kind of want to start Joe, Loki. But the unreliability factor.

Who are we starting? Because Deeran Fox was hurt this year So he didn't have his best year Trey Young The ship has sailed on us Thinking he's gonna be like a top three point guard I think But the ship is also

Low-key sailing on John Moran's Yeah It's sailed even It's not sailing It's sinking Do we start Trey bench jaw cut Fox Let's

Let's do that Whoa I kind of want to start Okay we got to cut Fox Do we? For right now Bill of a bounce back year But yeah

I think we have to cut Deeran Yeah I don't know. Jod didn't necessarily have the greatest year either. We saw how we, we saw how the outcome looked when it comes to forcing him to play other playstiles. He struggled hard.

It was cool. Did you see his new shoes? I like, it's kind of cool. The Jocet three's art. Okay, we're benching Jail. We're starting Trey and we're cutting Fox. See what happens. No.

34% of people agree. This was the most popular answer. I don't agree with this. That's what you got to do. I think, I think, I think I'm benching D.R. Fox and I'm cutting I don't even want to say that word out loud

I don't say that word Andre Goddala Palo Van Caro to Marjoro's in what a ridiculous group of names so random Loki are we starting a Godal at their best you want to win a championship

who contributes to winning basketball who's the great one of the best defenders of a generation Swiss Army knife defensively can do a little bit as won championships contributed helped make the Golden State Dynasty what it was

why didn't you put them in start yet we're starting here we're starting Andre Goda we're benching Demard de Rosen we're cutting Palo Van Carrow. One day I think Palo will surpass DeMar but not there yet.

You guys agree? Eh. Come on. No fucking chance you think that Palo's already better than Peak DeMar. What is Peak DeMarr doing? Spurs tomorrow when he was passing

really well or that first year on the Bulls when he was all NBA level, crazy shot me doing? He was shooting a little bit. Ooh, three threes a game. We got to do this. No, we don't. Do you see this nonsense?

What do you mean Not such a degree 40% of people Who think Palatman Carroll is already better Than Damar and Gadala Are these eight-year-olds We know how they're thinking

We know how they're thinking Are these eight-year-old? The gap here is outlandish Oh, man The gap here is ridiculous Oh man This is nasty Trason McGrady, Shee or James Hardin

All right So put Shee Yeah starting Yeah starting she Benching James Harding Cutting Trace McGrathes You're starting

She over 2019 James Hardin? Yeah Yes, I am. We don't have to go through this the whole time. But, like, yes, I'm starting, Shea. Yeah. You agree?

Mm-hmm. The two-way play, the consistency offensively that he's able to give us. He's averaging 40. He is averaging 40 and giving me like eight assists per game. I love it, bro. Let the record show. If we're talking about peak for peak, I don't know if I agree with that. I think James Hardin is still better at his peak, but I'm outvoted.

Apparently, we're benching James Hardin, starting Shea, cutting him. Wow, it's a 33 split between Hardin and. Che that couldn't be a closer debate that's crazy everybody agrees though we gotta get Team Mac out of here yeah for sure What's you do here man

That is a close one I don't think I've ever seen that be split like that You know fair enough You can talk to me tomorrow And I would want to start James Harden though That is a debate I understand it Lamello ball

Gilbert Rina's Tyrese Lamello he's getting cut Hey is he? I think so Yeah I think Lebella has to be cut Yeah Like this is the unreliability

like we've seen Tyrese play next to other stars contribute to winning a little bit more Lemella has to go you're gone yeah I don't know how to feel about Gil in these debates

and I'll say this on theme of the episode start Tyrese maxi yeah exactly I don't know to feel about Gil in these debates up and that's all of them

that's the last one that was good I find it very difficult to compare Gil to today stars like I don't know what he would look like today and there's like

some people say Donovan Mitchell I tend to say I don't know about that I can see that D-Mitch is way better I'm just saying in terms of play style

Oh in terms of the play style yeah You have this Oh yeah like And I mean And he's he's bigger than than D-Mitch too But you have this This you know

6 3 64 guard Athletic versus Can score off the dribble Do all that stuff like Yeah I can see it Okay Who's a diet dame in today's league

I feel like he'd play more like Dame But like the I feel like he'd shoot Like he'd come off screens And like have like the deep shot Like dame In today's NBA I don't know who else has the deep shot

Like Dame other than Jordan Pool He'd be somewhere between Jordan Pool and Dame He'd be like right there closer to Dame Because I'd only say Jordan Pool Because Jordan Pool plays like Dame But he's way better than Jordan Pool As Demets Put Jordan Pool in Cam Thomas's body

There we go And that's the end of this episode If you're still here I want you to comment Where you would rank Gilbert Arenas in today's NBA Yeah With that being said

We'll see y'all next few For the return of ranking season