The Deep 3 Podcast - What You Need To Know About EVERY NBA Playoff Series | Ep. 35

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

The Golden State Warriors solved Anthony Davis in game 2 of the playoffs against the Los Angeles Lakers. #nba Sign up for Underdog Fantasy today with promo code "TD3" to double your first deposit! ⬇️ https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-the-deep3 Join the TD3 Discord!: https://discord.gg/e63QYQYrVA Listen on Spotify!: https://open.spotify.com/show/3elbbqVumwqz8wlIdknsLW Listen on Apple Podcasts!: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-deep-3-podcast/id1657940794 Follow us on TikTok!: https://www.tiktok.com/@thedeepthree Follow us on Instagram!: https://www.instagram.com/thedeep3podcast/ Isaac's twitter: https://twitter.com/byisaacg Muhamed's twitter: https://twitter.com/Mojo99_ Donnavan's twitter: https://twitter.com/Dsmoot3D Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

So it is Thursday night, and game two of Lakers Warriors just wrapped up. We're giving our live reactions to what was an eventful game two if you're a Warriors fan and not so great if you're a Lakers fan. How are y'all feeling? Fantastic as the Lakers haters. This was beautiful, a beautiful show-in from the Warriors. A master class from Steve Kerr. It is great to see the series back at 1-1, and I'm very excited to hear what y'all have to say about this game.

Bro. I feel terrible. I feel terrible. I saw Tristan Thompson dunk for the first time since I was 16 years old. What was that? I saw Tristan Thompson in playing time. I saw Shaquille Harrison out there. He looked like Russell Westbrook to me.

I was so confused. Tristan Thompson's spotting is crazy. For those who don't know, game one of the series, the Lakers came out. They defeated the Warriors in Oakland, or in San Francisco, I should say. And it was a Darwin-Han Masterclass, and they had a perfect game plan. they didn't allow Steph to eat off ball they just had Anthony Davis in the paint destroying anything the Warriors wanted to do at the rim

it was everything you want to see as a Lakers fan the game two Steve Kerr made all the right adjustments and they came out and I don't even know if the game's over we're recorded this in the fourth quarter because the Lakers were down by 30 but it's not close Steve Curry realized that they're not going to be able to do the

off ball shit that they always do against the Lakers who are going to top block it and prevent Steph again the ball so they said okay we're going to give Steph Curry the ball every time and he's going to run a million picking rolls and you're not going to be able to deny it and it works absolutely and to help spread out the four a lot more they clapped kevonne looney's minutes and put in to michael green who was actually like he's been a quality player over the last few years of his career and they dusted him off yeah he had 15 he i want to say like i saw this graphic on ESPN said like he got like

what 23 minutes for the entirety of the playoffs and and only i think 15 minutes of play he had 13 points shot like two for five or something like that from three or he made three thieves or something like he was magnificent he was honestly like a game changer for them yeah it was great and it was more so just like getting Kavana Luni out of there because in game one Anthony Davis was just a god amongst men with the paint on defense because the Warriors had zero spacing with Dramon and Kvon Lune in there which you know as we've seen over the years can work with the right matchups but when you have a defense that was as tightly knit and as smart of a game plan as the Lakers had against some game one

they just had to have the spacing because they got zero shots at the rim. I think the three-thro discrepancy last game was like over 25 of a difference. So with this game, like you said, without looney in there, they had all the space in the world, Steph is eating at the room again. The Lakers have a lot of adjustments to make. I'll say that. Yeah, exactly. Like, bro, Donovan, I need to hear this land.

Let's just, you have that smile in your face. You're grinning. Nah, I mean, like, listen, the big things is that, like, one, the word is also got out like the they got out in transition they had 17 transition they had 17 points in transition uh in this game they had 14 in game one but it didn't feel like like they were able to get out running right so i they they definitely felt faster tonight because they're smaller right yeah you know and so and the the thing that you're talking about putting hurry into these pick and rolls it's what we saw in game seven and against the against the kings he ran a million

picker rolls there and you're probably you're gonna if the wars want to be successful I think that they're going to have to do that for the rest of the series. No, for sure. Yeah, especially because, like, you know, vet, Vando is guarding him the same way that Davy R. Mitchell is. And when you have these guys who are, like, ultra-aggressive, you have to, you have to get them off you, you know, kind of high and kind of, kind of fast. So there's, there's that.

The, the rebounding also was not an issue tonight. They won on the boards. And even though, like, the Lakers, they got to, so the Lakers were 10 of 17 from the free throw line today, right? Under 60% you have to be able to get there And you have to be able to convert That's the problem It's all of that

And the fact that Anthony Davis did not show up to He didn't play well tonight He didn't play well And it's interesting why Because it was very different experience In game one And you could tell the Warriors Took that experience from game one

And said we're not let that shit happen again Yeah Because in game one he ate on the boards I think he had 20 rebounds Right Because he had a 30 and 20 game He had 23 rebounds He had seven tonight.

And it was basically because Kavan Looney just could not keep up with him. He was too slow-footed, too small. AD was dominating him on the boards, offensive and defensively. And every time they gave him the ball facing up, he was just way too quick for him. So, like you said, they took Looney out of the starting lineup and basically put Dremont on a mall game. They had Dremont as a primary defender. And every wing, especially Wiggins, was helping a lot on AD rolls at the rim. They were coming in at the nail, which basically means by the free-d-line and double-teaming him.

forcing Rui Hachimara, Austin Reeves, Dennis Schroeder, all these wing players to beat them in open threes. And 80's not good at passing out of those or knowing how to attack sooner so you can't throw the double. So it really has neutralized them. Yeah, 100%, and you're going to see that like with in the field goal attempts. He only took 11 shots tonight, which is, which is crazy. And obviously, right, like he doesn't play the whole fourth quarter. That is, it is, it is what it is. but his his first half was extremely disappointing because I think he he finished the first half with like five points or something like that and it's disappointing because lebron came out and this was probably as athletic and smooth as i've seen lebron in a couple in a couple of games right like there's times where we're like you'll see the burst from lebron on a player two you know he's timing his chase downs he was on go mode in the in the first half he finished with 21 points and he came out in the second half he

one for five from the field two points in that third quarter everything kind of just unraveled but the fact that Davis wasn't able to figure it out sooner and get LeBron some help keep that game within like and it's low-key still in striking distance because it was like 11 points you could still do something and a half but to not have that game as close as it was with LeBron playing like that I think that's a that's disappointing from Anthony Davis and that's a problem but this is one of those things this is one of the reasons why I don't think that the Lakers are going to win this series

is because I don't think that you can consistently trust Anthony Davis to give you Anthony Davis should average 28 and 12 this entire series Yeah Do you at least agree on that Like he's clearly the most physically Like talented

Do you agree on that though That he's the most physically talented player for sure for sure he has matched of advantages that we saw in game one but this isn't necessarily about that it's more so about the warriors seeing that advantage and just eliminating it they just said okay well your biggest advantage

here is kavan looney and our other bigs cannot guard you so they're not going to guard you they made the adjustment and said draymond's going to guard you who is one of the few players in the world that are equipped to guard basically everybody so I don't think it's as simple as like anthony davis is the biggest guy he has his advantage

he should eat but like it's more so props of the Warriors and now we have to see is Darvin Ham going to come back and gave through with his adjustment to that adjustment you know because if it's nothing Anthony Davis can do if the game plan is run high pick and rolls and they throw two bodies at him every time I I understand what you're saying I don't I don't expect 38 and 23 every night from AD I think coming out and obviously like 11 and 7 is ridiculous he's a he's a he's a bucket away from a triple single and it's just like and it's just like if you you are if you are r a d and this bad bad games happen right i'm not going to act like step step is

going to finish with i mean stuff is going to finish with like 20 points it was like a quiet night for a minute it was right he he wasn't crazy either so i understand that like the numbers aren't always going to uh reflect the impact but for anthie davis to be in the series and be as talented as he is and we're saying all year like oh AD's back. He's here on both ends of the floor, right? Top five player in the world. And for you to come out and you getting locked up, like

if this happens... He's killing agendas. Huh? He's killing people's agendas, bro. That's what it is. He's strengthening mine. I'll tell you that. No, for sure. I mean, it's also, we're talking about the warriors who are the smartest defense of the last decade, and they just beat his ass

tonight. Like, they won before the game started with the game plan, and he didn't do a good job of being able to figure that out but it's going to come down so can darvinham figure out a way to allow him to figure it out because we just know 80's not going to beat you as a playmaker and as to the war is forcing to do tonight he's not good at that so if it continues to be they play the same way and try to run this square peg into the round hole 80's got to play like shit so you're right that is his biggest flaw is being exposed by a team that knows how to expose it so i don't

disagree with you i just think now it comes down to is darvin ham going to do his part as a coach to put him in the best position to succeed and how would how would you do that I have to watch it again I can't tell you on one watch but probably they do a lot of things where they um you know back in the Warriors 20 2020 not Warriors the Lakers 2020 title run they did a lot of those really low picking rolls

with LeBron and AD for the elbow that base they did that because there's less room for a week's high defender to rotate and slide in front of AD probably have three stuff like that because right now these high pick and rolls it's just too easy for Andrew Wiggins to slide in and force Ruby Hachamora to make threes so it probably has to be a lot of crazy stuff like that

that can't just be basic pick and rolls you're speaking gospel right now speaking gospel there's a lot of ways to go go around and get through those things obviously none of us are NBA head coaches we don't do this shit for our job we just like to watch it for fun and talk about what we see from our new perspective but like this is just the game of of adjustments this is where coaches for sure players weaknesses get completely exposed and this is where the coaches like they're literally they're coaching jobs and their legacies are on the line. And if Darwin decides to run the exact same type of offense and, like, run these high pick and rolls and shit, like, then they're probably done for it.

Do I expect him to do that? No. Do you think LeBron's going to sit here and let that happen? Hell no. Exactly. For sure. That's the key. LeBron in the game one was playing like Al Horford.

I've been saying a lot throughout the season. He's been like purposely playing off ball, letting Deelow and Reeves be the guys to cook and AD be the guy to run through in the pick and roll. And LeBron just plays off ball as a connector. and then when he gets transition opportunities he'll get his points and do his part but he has not been the primary ball handler I think the Warriors made it clear he has to be

if they're gonna choose to play through AD the Warriors know how to stop that an AD offense is not a good matchup against the Warriors it has to be LeBron-led offense so we're gonna find out is LeBron playing off ball and slow because he's hurt and he can't be the guy

to run ping rolls every play or is he saving it from he needs to and now's the point where he needs to man right before the first half ended I saw him talk to I saw Gary Payton talk to him, and I thought we were in for Masterclass second half. But he just ended up taking five shots and scored like two points. It's been real weird.

He looks very mortal and very old. But is it because the foot, or is it because he's old and tired? I don't know. It's a little bit of both. We've seen LeBron pace himself throughout games for years now. So I think I also think that the foot is like the foot is a problem. He doesn't run fast. When he runs fast, it pops on the screen.

you're like oh shit he's trying like he clearly doesn't have it in him to do that burst every time it's probably painful it's probably not as effective right now which is you know that's if if you're going to take the pessimistic view that's not going to change probably until we get surgery in the off season so it's it's i can see you not having faith in the first time he gets surgery right in his career oh yeah he's all he's probably had surgeries in the past couple years those injuries he's had i don't know i don't know it was groins and stuff so you don't really need a surgery for a pulled groin yeah i don't i don't think he's had a major

Well, he's had the hairline surgery to get the plug-ins So it's what was that. That's good. That's good. Yeah, man, like most said,

like this is like a game of adjustments and this is, it's going to be a disservice because most of the conversation around the series is going to be 80 good, 80 bad.

LeBron good, LeBron bad. It's going to be real simple, but like, this is an adjustment masterclass for seeing so far his first two games, like we've said,

like they're going back and forth and we're seeing high-level basketball from high-level coaches. It's going to be incredible to keep watching and I hope that gets attention you know you know it's not high level though real quick what Jordan pool is not high level oh you had Zendaya out there you're known for going crazy when the good looking women are out you know that Jordan Jordan pool tonight

16 minutes six points on on oh two from three he is at there's there's there's times where he looks unplayable and I would not be shocked if his fraud watch yeah and I I would not be shocked if his minutes stay kind of the same here and they get they get eaten up by by GP2 and divincenzo because it's not it's not only the the defense and the in the defensive laps from Jordan pool it's it's just small mistakes from from from god leave it's small mistakes from pool that are an issue and I think the biggest mistake or the one that popped out to me was at the end of the first half where I think I think Steph had just scored a bucket and pulls running down the floor you know that there's like three seconds left and he slips

and falls and he starts like puts on the turbo to try he catch up to shrewder and I knew it when when I saw him put his head down to run that he was going to foul shrewder going into half and what does he do can't control himself gets caught gets caught in the air foul shooter gives the other team two free throws kills all the momentum going in it's small things like that where I think that pool hasn't like like he just can't help himself from doing those things and I think that there's going to be a whole bunch of other less you know there's going to be other players that aren't going to make are going to make those mental mistakes and that they're going to get that run so I wouldn't be shocked if I saw Jordan pool less and less seriously right

about that yeah why would I play Jordan pool when he's literally only giving you six points a night and like he's a zero on defense like it makes zero sense so that's on point Donovan I just I'd rather have guys like Diven Chinzo obviously GP to hell throw Moses Moody in there because he can give me some fucking rebounds bro like yeah exactly I remember during game one I was saying in our group chat when watching the game I was like I love Jordan pool minutes as the Lakers fan I was like keep him out there I love this and he had hit like three threes after I said that and I was like I don't care it's good he's gonna he's still

minus four for the game for a reason like it's going to in totality it'll average yourself out and it'll be jordan pool production a hundred percent and what do you know the game ended last game one ended with him taking a deep three for the win that did not go in like it wasn't a bad shot though i i don't i don't think it was an okay shot it's like what it was not bad but it was unnecessary unnecessarily difficult shot they could have got something better at that time like what anything else just don't pull that and let the offense continue to move i i mean they had 10 seconds left he was at the apex of a shot and he had no one not a single hand up we've seen him hit shots like that before and so like if he makes it like we're all screaming and dancing make your miss leak it's not that big of a deal not that big of a shot i just think it's like george and you want to see if you're step currie do you want to see that shot be taken i mean no no but step was step was step was double and everybody's saying like oh pool could have taken a step in if pool takes a dribble and takes a step in banderbilt's coming over and he's he's sending that shot to the stance like yeah yeah he should have taken a step been that does not make sense at all with the speed of a game yeah he should have attacked the

close out kept kicking the ball out played is there spurs basketballs like to play and get the ball moving i don't i don't i don't hate the i don't hate the shot as much as anybody i understand it's not the best shot but i also don't think it was one of the worst options that they had oh yeah yeah yeah it's a fine option so like i'll live with it it's okay you know you know the old adage pass up to good shot to find a great shot yeah there was time to find a great shot i think yeah But listen, the way Poole was cooking, because he was throwing up some, he was just throwing up some prayers in game one and they were going in. So I bet you he thought, he probably thought like, oh, listen, I'm hot.

I can do it. So I don't, I don't hate it. Mo, I'll ask you this as the third party unbiased member. Who do you think is winning the series now after what you've seen? Man, this is tough. You saw a great game from both teams. Yeah, you saw a good game from the Lakers, but an even better game, my opinion from the from the warriors blew them out by 27 which is insane um it's tough so tough to

see like i i know what to expect from the warriors nothing from jordan pool like i expect to play thompson draymond green kevonne lune to michael green now and stuff of course to like do their thing um but for the lakers like i said a couple podcasts ago or maybe last podcast. I just don't know what to expect out of Austin Reeves, DeAngel Russell, and Dennis Schroeder. I know what Rhea Chimura is going to do. He's going to outscore the entire opposing team's entire bench. But it's just like, it depends on what these other guys do around Anthony Davis and how they, how Durban Ham more so just like decides to readjust. So I want to say this series is going to seven to who's going to win it? I don't know. I literally couldn't tell you.

It's going seven though. yeah I for me it comes down to game three we saw the Lakers come out with a great game plan to start piss on the Warriors and they make the adjustment come back defecate on the Lakers so I feel like now it comes down to Darvinham saw their their game plan now is his chance to make adjustment off of that I think that's typically how it goes right you see a lot of splits in the first few games for this reason is that both teams take a game to see what the other's game plan is going to be and from there They make their really, really, like, there really is usually one big adjustment to make for each team. Yeah. Yeah. So, really, at 1-1, the series kind of starts now, depending on what Darvinham pulls out next game. So do you, so what do you have? You have Lakers in seven and six?

I reserve judgment until we see what Darwin Ham does in game three. Nah, make a prediction, stand on your one. He said, fuck all that shit. Give me a prediction now. At this point, all we've seen is the better adjustment from Steve Curris. At this point, you'd have to pick the Warriors. but I have faith that, not at faith, but I will be surprised if Darvanham

pulled up something that evens the playing field. So, Warriors and Seven, I guess, but I think after next game, that could change. Okay, okay. Fair, fair. Just if I'm being fair and actually, like, you know, reacting to what we see change. No, well, I can't even remember.

What did you have pre-series? I don't think we decided pre-series because we didn't know who was playing. It was. Yeah, it was between pods. Because, yeah, because it wasn't, we recorded before Game 7 of King's Warriors, so we never really got predictions out there. Yeah, but like offline. That's, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I really didn't even think about it. I mean, I'm fucking biased. I probably was like, Lakers are going to win it. But I've been worried about the Warriors matchup as a Lakers fan because I knew they're a smart defense that can scheme out Anthony Davis. And I was, I mostly was worried because LeBron didn't look like LeBron in round one. that's kind of what it comes down to me is that if we see him flip the switch and is willing to look like early season LeBron

last year LeBron averaging 30 if he can do that then I'll feel comfortable with St. Lakers and 7 but I have to either see that or Darwin hand making an adjustment that can get AD going again All right sounds good I got you're still

with the Warriors? Yeah I mean clearly I've I've I've words in six do you have any worry six but I mean above that like um my biggest just worry and it's not even like from a like an NBA rig type of thing but it's it's the frito stuff i think like the the i'm glad you mentioned that it's the i mean because like you

look at tonight the warriors are plus what is this plus 33 on the three point line and so they they're plus 45 last game plus 33 they're blowing them out on the three point line that's clearly where they're getting their advantage the lakers were able to nullify that last time because they got 20 more free throws than than they were and you're able to even the playing field even that like technically the math doesn't math up but yeah yeah but it is what is but tonight the lakers took one more free throw than the warriors and if that is the if that's even and now you're plus 33 on the three point line and you look up oh yeah the words are up 27 so I think if if the words can do a a good job like they did tonight of defending without fouling and not sending

the the legors to the free throw line that I think that they can get it done in six and I have I have confidence in them that they can do that for the reason that you said they're really smart defense, you know, things like that. Oh yeah. If they do what they did tonight in how they, because that free throw thing ties into how they cut off Anthony Davis and didn't allow him to get to the rim. Like the Lakers get a lot of fritos consistently, not because

like, you know, the fan, everybody on Twitter is the rig. The NBA wants some of the finals, but they're the best rim pressure team in the NBA with LeBron and AD and Reeves and Dilo are good at drawing files too and you know, Dennis is fast against the rim. The team that drive the most, typically against the most free throws. They were number one in NBA and free throws, dude. Yeah, for a reason.

Like 30. They were literally dead last for a reason, too. Yeah. But so we saw the warriors were able to cut off the rim from the biggest threats on Lakers, and of course, the fritos went down because if you shoot less at the rim, we're getting fouled less. So, yeah. I agree.

If we don't see a big adjustment at Darvinham to nullify that rim shop advantage, then the frito thing is going to come back either and they have no fucking chance. Leaders in free throws tonight in terms of. free throw attempts, Dennis Schroeder, Tristan Thompson, and Max Christie. Tristan Thompson? Oh, for the Lakers? Yeah, yeah. All of them had...

For the game. No, no, no. All of them had four free throw attempts tonight, the leaders for the Lakers, Reves and Russell, no free throw attempts tonight. Tough. Yeah, Reeves had a rough game. There was a lot resting on his shoulders along with Rui with how they were defending the stars. Not the, not the best showing from Austin Reeves. Yeah. It is what it is. Yeah, man, they just didn't have a good game. I'm worried about Austin Reeves and worried about Dennis Schroeder. I don't think he's had a good, yeah, he's had a terrible series so far against the Lakers. And so I don't know. I think... Yeah, he's been dealing with the injured hand, though. Oh, yeah, it's injured hand. I didn't even know that.

Yeah, it was messing with him at the end of the last series. And before the series started, he was like, I'm feeling better. I can deal with it more. So maybe it's not a thing. Maybe he's just playing like shit. But that has been lingering. Yeah, it's interesting. Lingering or not, we need more. The Lakers need more for him. Austin reads, the Lakers need more, point blank, period. And, bro, one of my, I just love dumbing my brain down just so I can have fun and, like, engage in the stupid-ass arguments and conversations on Twitter. Like, people talk about some Anthony Davis and how inconsistent he is, and they dropped

the, they dropped the meme. It was of Bruno Mars today. I don't feel like I don't feel like doing anything It was fucking hilarious You have a lazy song Yeah I saw one meme that was like Game 2

I said Anthony Davis every other game And it was a clip of somebody watching security footage They're like What the fuck going on in Atlanta And a car disappears on the security footage That's accurate And then I saw another one It was like Anthony Davis

It was like Anthony Davis tonight And you saw it It was Kobe Ryan Disappearing fucking with the cameraman He just stopped Oh, yeah. It's interesting. Anthony Davis is getting a slander,

and I mean, on the surface, he deserves it. He didn't score well. He scored well for his game, so it's fine. But, like, it's so interesting because that first game, people were like, oh, shit, we're disrespecting Anthony Davis too much. Like, I guess we should talk about that game a little bit. He was crazy.

Like, this man has been Bill Russell since the playoffs started on defense. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Why are you shaking your head? No, because, I mean, it's just, Anthony Davis is the dichotomy of man. Like, he's, like, he's truly just like, on one, like, literally in the span of three days. And this is, this is really like his whole career is, like, on one end, like, when Anthony Davis is at his best, he's a top five player in the world, maybe, maybe best player in the world, very unstoppable, very dominant.

And then not even 48 hours later, he turns around. and he's at 11 and 7 and you're just wondering like like just looking at it from the outside you're just looking at like you know what is happening like like why can't like why can't you just be dominant for four straight games and and do this and so sometimes you have kvonne luni on you sometimes you have jrbond green on you it's different like the circumstances changed i mean you're but it's like i i don't know i understand what you're saying i also feel i feel like and we've had this conversation a lot. I feel like you give Anthony Davis a little,

just a little bit too much grace because I think that if you are going to love somebody, I'm not, I'm personally right now, I'm not asking Anthony Davis to go win a championship. But I think that if you are going to consider somebody like a top three player in the world, right, best player on both ends of the floor, right, that things like that, right?

you were low-key firing up 80 versus Janice conversations if he can't play it if he can't playing like that if you're going to hold him in in that regards and it's like Kavan Looney's stopping you like like like you know like like Dre like Dremon stop stopping you like that's that's a that's a that's a little much that's that's the thing I don't hold him those because that's why I don't think he's Nicole Yokic I don't think he's Steph Curry LeBron James you know what I mean I think he's the next tier of he's I think he's the best defense player in the NBA and he is a very good offensive player

that isn't in the upper echelon. So, he's the type of offensive player that is amazing, but the best defense in the NBA, the smartest defenders, can counter him. And then, you know what I mean? There's stuff to exploit in his game. He's like a, you're not going to find a way to counter Steph Curry at the game entirely

because he's so good and is so smart and versatile. He can find ways to get out of it because he has a type of skills that can counter your counter. AD is not that level. offensive player he's like a karee level offensive player or whatever that's amazing but you can find ways to get him out of the game you know what i mean i don't think that's what it is i understand i understand what you're saying i just don't think he's the top three player

that's the difference is i'm i don't think he's that i think i think the conversation with with a lot of people especially when you see games like he had in game one and then you instantly go and like vault him like like that because i i do think Like the way he was playing early in this season, we were talking, and I even said it. Like, if he keeps playing like this, like, he is top five, right? Because of its impact on the, on the defensive end, because he was average at like 35 or something like that. And so it's very, very frustrating to watch him flip-flop back and forth between games, between game one and game two. And it's, it's frustrating because you know that obviously, like, he's 16, he's super athletic, he can do everything.

he has he has all the talent he's just not as consistent as you would like and so that's that's the first shouldn't part yeah i mean i don't know i think at times it's just like for the player with his skill set is just natural like with his skill set and also like his position it's just natural for bigs at a lot of the time to like be super limited and i think it's at times it can be easier to take a big out of the game because like they don't have the ball on their hands exactly Like, the game is entirely, like, based on their coach and also, like, the league guard. And so, like, if you're, like, someone like Janus, who has a completely different game, but, like, the difference between him and Janus is, like, Janus is just super unguardedable

because he has O.D. athleticism across the board. Yeah, a ball handler, too. Yeah, exactly. You know? Yeah, that's what he is. And, like, the structure of Janus's team and all that stuff, there's a, I feel like there's just, like, key reasons. Well, not even key reasons. just like structural reasons as to why like AD plays like this from day to day

and Janus is just constrict like consistently running through a wall, anybody, anybody at any time. Yeah, you're 100% right. Watching Janice, Yokic, and Embed be the offensive players they are and creators they are at that size has spoiled us and they're thinking that's normal. But AD is not an elite shot creator or anything of that sort. He is the reason you could have argument for him being top five in the world is because he's arguably the number one defensive player in the world that is when he's healthy and one of the best play finishers but he's not a play creator that's just not his game if it was his game then he would be the best player in

the world like easily if he had the shot off the dribble shot making ability of joel and bid or the ball handling of yannis it wouldn't even really be a conversation he would be perfect but he's not you know he has a big flaw and that's his ability to create his own shot i think we got spoiled also like earlier way earlier in his career when he had nobody well not nobody shout out to you're already on boys, but like, he was different in New Orleans. He got to feast in New Orleans, but the second you, like, you know, put a real structure around him and play real winning basketball, like, that's just not the way. That's just, that's just, that's just not like the best option.

And tackle that on top of, like, injuries and blah, blah, like, it's just, you get a, this is the best virgin Anthony Davis if you're trying to. For sure. And he also had the young player benefit of the doubt that he's going to keep getting better that always buys his people. That's why people will say Luca's, like, top three in the world right now because he's, so young so they have that cognitive bias that's like oh what is he going to be in four years and they just assume he'll fix all his errors and that's kind of what we have a young ad

why people are putting in those conversations real quick i just this this is what this is why a d is frustrating this is everything this is everything game two of the first round on right he had third and this is his points 13 31 12 31 16 30 11 it's literally every Every other game. Like, I'm not making this up. Like, he's frustrating every other night. And it's like, can you put, can you put back-to-back 20-point games? Can you please do that?

Please, please. That's all I'm asking at this point. Score 20 back-to-back games. And I would give you $100, Andy Davis. Please. But the thing is, that point, I agree. Inconsistent offensively. At that point, at that point, that's the only level I'm asking for.

I'm not asking, I'm not even asking for 30 and 20. score 20 in back-to-back games please that's ridiculous that's ridiculous that's hilarious that's what that is that's fucking hilarious yeah yeah this is an ed though i think it's i think it's all we have to say about the series it was a crazy first two games i think it's time move on to the next series the NBA playoffs are here so let's talk about underdog fantasy the best and easiest way to play fantasy sports online and it's super simple to get in on the action you can play online or you can play in the app and all you have to do is hit higher or lower on your favorite or least favorite players

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is it a surprising outcome but it's surprising in the way that it's happened but i don't think it's surprising that the nuggets are up to oh yeah what about you know like i wouldn't say it's a surprising outcome like donovan said just like the way it happened um see you TP3 getting hurt. Oh no. Who saw that coming? Yeah, for sure. It's weird because I think everybody kind of counted the nuggets out for a lot of the last second, for the second half of the season, because the annoying MVP narratives were happening and they were losing a lot of games for whatever reason in the second half. Everyone kind of forgot that they were the one seed for a reason. And combine that with everybody, including myself, crowning the suns like the team to beat in the West, it was easy to go into the series forgetting that the Nuggets are the favorites in the West, right? if they were for a reason. Yeah.

So it's been kind of confirmation of what we thought months ago, but surprising for what we thought recently. I put it that way. I mean, I don't know. I don't think it's that surprising, though, because... Yeah. I don't think so either. Yeah, like the one thing that I did say coming into the playoffs

was the reason why I didn't agree with you, Isaac, that the sons would be like, you know, like the title favoring that we should pick them to come out the West, is because we would be asking Chris Paul and Kevin Doreau. to stay healthy for two months and would you look at that chris paul once again gets hurt in the playoffs it's clockwork at this point fucking clockwork yeah what's wrong with them specifically this time is it groin or something or what growing yeah yeah he's going to grow and playing defense scrambling for a loose ball old ass yeah just old man shit right like you can't try too hard

or he's gonna fall apart yeah and it happens every year right so i just at this point there's two things that you can expect from chris paul is that he's going to get hurt in the playoffs and that he's going to lose a Scott Fosser rough game. Those are the only two things that are certain. It causes his life. Exactly. And it happened again. So now Phoenix has absolutely no playmaking.

Right. They have Devon they have Devin Booker and Kevin Durant who can get midi jumpers all day. But after that, no depth. DeAndre Aden is getting cooked by by Yokic and they have nothing to offer in terms of like winning this series.

Yeah. So we know for a fact Chris Paul is going to miss games three and four and then he'll be re-evaluated at that point because it'll be exactly a week after the injury are they going to survive two more games without him but bro so you guys are both shaking your head but he wasn't he wasn't good he's been pretty crap like i think go ahead moe it just depends on what you're gonna get from a lot of a lot of the other guys and also on top of that like they have to adjust play style wise um they have some of the the best shooters in the NBA, of course. In the NBA, of course, mid-brain shooters specifically.

But with the way things are and just the simple mathematics in the NBA, they're dead last in three-point attempts. And even when they, like, do decide to jack up threes, it's like, and it's not in the most natural offensive flowy way. It's like, okay, Katie, go ahead, cook, hezzie. Yeah. Pull up over you, and I'm shooting that motherfucker. Did, Devin, Devin Booker, he's going to give you a jab.

wait for like three seconds and then he's pulling it's not like free flowing at all yeah I'm glad you said that we're being reductive and we're talking about they're losing first thing we talk about is Chris Paul being hurt as if that's why they're losing but Chris Paul played a game and a half it's not why they're losing they were just as crap

with him playing and I think it's for reasons that you're talking about and it's the reasons that everybody kind of expected when the trade happened that we all kind of let ourselves forget about and that's this is a team that's never played together before the last 12 games like sure there were 11-1 coming to this series, but it's only 12 games that they played together.

Like it's not a lot of time to find a groove. And the offense is stale as shit because of it. Like you said, they call the screen and nothing happens after. The screen doesn't work. They stand around and call for another one. There's no secondary actions. There's no players cutting off of each other, having a feel for where players are going to be.

You watch that game, then you watch the Warriors, and you see a Steph Curry handoff. And then when he peels around, Dremont knows the cut from the corner, and a pool comes to the corner to replace them. Like, they're moving in sync. there's none of that with the sons and it's not like we're asking or expecting like them to even replicate 50% of that the league can't do that in general but like can you incorporate at least 15%

10% of some movement in your offense yeah it's some kind of offball action no one nope but that i think that's one of the main reasons why chris paul's injury is so devastating because at least chris paul like knows he knows how to play basketball and he knows how to set everybody else up. And so if you don't have that feel that like innate feel amongst Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, all that stuff, you can at least count on Chris Paul saying, okay, we have to make something happen. You go here, you go here. Like I can create a little bit of something and at least get you in the right spot to where all you have to focus on is getting buckets. Now Durant and Booker have to focus on setting everybody else up as well. And that kind of takes away from, you know, from what they're best at, which is just

getting buckets and so it's like unless we're going to see devon booker go for 47 the way that he did against the i guess the clippers or 48 whatever it was right but unless he goes crazy i don't think the sons have a chance in the series like to to win at all they might get swept they might okay that's so crazy to say they're not why why why is that crazy so it's okay it's not crazy you're right it's not crazy you had kevin around last year you had kevin around last year you got Swept, too. You're right. I don't think they'll get swept.

I think they'll win a game, maybe two. But I don't see a world where they beat the Nuggets. Because the fact that, one, we talked about this team would do better than most teams that trade for a starboard season because Kevin Durant is so malleable and can play with any style of play. He just fits in any team and doesn't, you know, commandeer a team like somebody like James Hardin would if they came in halfway through a year. And we're seeing that to a negative effect, though, because this is a Devon Booker team. that Kevin Durant is the sidekick for it's so backwards second these games yep not a single second these games has it looked like a Kevin Durant team or look like he's been the main guy on this team this is that Devin Booker ass team yeah they're treating this like as if like Devin

book is Curry you know and he has that type of effect not even not not even because I think like like even like when KD was on the Warriors like I think there was still a little bit of like stuff saying like I'll let you go ahead and and and be the primary option obviously everything is built around steps movement yeah but like they they kind of like see it and say like okay okay kevin like you can go and you can you can get yours and like you can focus on on doing what you have to do everybody else is just going to fall in line like that's because of stuff devon is obviously not step curry and he's still in the mindset of like okay like i still have to score to make this team successful which is kind of true like he's not going

to be you know like he he's not going to be the playmaker yeah he's he's not going to be chris ball So he has to go out and he has to get 35 while also making sure that Kevin Durant is in the best position to get 35. But like, those aren't their jobs. And at this point, if Chris Ball is going to be hurt, that's Monty Williams' job to try to get them easy buckets, which was something that we said in the Clipper series that wasn't happening. It was that Katie wasn't getting easy buckets. And now you're playing a better team with Nicola Yokic on the other side and you can't go bucket for bucket with them. Yeah, it's not Devin Booker's fault at all It's not like he needs to get KD touches

It's that it's just they haven't played long enough together Right like they didn't have any way to install actions for KD Or figure out the best ways to put KD in to his positions Like this core isn't playing together for years So they're you know they're gonna do what they know And throw this guy into it And he probably goes out there saying Play your game I'm gonna fit in where I can

That's what they do But it's to their detriment because at a certain point You have to enable your best players to have the ceiling That you would think you could have with that talent on your team if you're not getting that 100% of KD then you shouldn't have even trained for him which no because that's not the case because they're going to be better next year

but for this year you're just wasting one of the two year windows you have outside of this is tough everyone from KD let's look at the help that they've had Josh Akogi through seven playoff games he's shooting 40% from three um oh 40%

from the from the field actually sorry an 18% from three What a switch. What a switch? Yeah. I was going to say, what? Yeah, my bad. Yeah, my bad.

Damien Lee, 20% from the field, 23% from three. Bismack, Biombo. 53%. He's only have 15 shots. You know what I'm saying? It is what it is. He's doing his job. He's all right.

And Landry Shammon, who you would expect to have a bigger role on this team. He's one of the, he's literally like the perfect prototypical guy who you'd want on a team. If you're looking for more shooting and more movement and stuff like that, because he is that. um shooting 26% from the field and 25% from three Cameron pain guy been so bad shooting 30% and he hasn't been getting off anything and if the sons want to like have any sign of life cameron pain is literally the next guy up off of the bench and are you going to really rely on him the only guy role play was even like stepping up is tory craig and he's been snapping shooting like 50% from three you know so look at the names we're talking about this team has not

shit outside of the top four. Tori Craig is their Lord and Savior. Tori Craig? Tori. Sounds like a sweep to me. It sounds like a sweep to me. I need you guys to give me a reason why they win. As you said two games,

I would be absolutely floored if they win to wins. I just said one or two, just like throw a little cushion. But I think they probably get one just because it's hard to sweep a team with high-end talent like that. Like you said, Devin Booker can go out there and score 40. Series in the line, reputation on the line, Katie can go out there and score 40.

It's just hard to. sweep teams you don't see a lot of sweeps in the second round but if you're if you're empirically there's no evidence that they're not going to sweat you're right that's a wrap it's a right man and what does that mean for kevin durant's legacy all right skip bailiff i don't mean anything i think we will i promise you we will talk about that in the office it let this man get swept let him get swept and then and then we will go there yeah i think uh it says less about kate i don't think it says much about katie I think it says more about the Sun's team building

And not even necessarily If they didn't do anything wrong Because when you get a chance to trade for KD They tried last summer It didn't work out Another chance came, you have to take it And I think they probably knew This year isn't the year they're playing for

Because there's a reason teams That trade for stars mid-season Don't win championships It's just impossible to replenish that depth Without doing it in the off-season And I think they have to re-evaluate their style of play a little bit Because for the last three years

The Suns have been by far the highest mid-range volume team in the NBA and they make them at also by far the highest rate so it's been okay they've been able to maintain weirdly high offensive efficiency with weirdly low three-point percentage but that was when they had great depth a great defense and that works

when you have all those things but if you don't have those things and you're playing a team as good as the nuggets and you're not hitting all of your mid-range shots mathematically it's just impossible to beat these teams that are hitting all these threes he's having also the second highest offense in the league. So unless they're going to replenish the level they were at before depth-wise

or Chris Paul is going to be revitalized, I don't see how they can play it the same way. Is Terrence Ross going to get some PT or what? Like, why did he come to this team? I'm not saying he's a life or anything like that, but he's been. He's a content creator. A day in my life. Yeah. No, it's over.

It's over. Like we can, yeah, we can, we can, we can, we can, the nuggets in the conference finals again and then they will end up playing the legions of the wars whoever we'll see what happens tonight but like I the sons it's it's a I think their window is done

I think their window is done I think no to get to what Isaac's saying is Isaac said two things and I and I'll build off of those they're going to need to replenish their depth to the level that that it was and they're going to need Chris Paul to be revitalized you cannot

trust Chris Paul to stay healthy. He looked terrible at the beginning of the, for a majority of this year he's looked bad. An extra year is not going to make that any better. And then to go out and get the level of depth and get your Cam Johnson near McKill

Bridges. Obviously, you try and make up for that with Kevin Durant. But like you said, we are waiting on Terence Ross to get PT in this series to come and save them. They are they are in serious trouble right now

and I don't think that they can do both of those things revitalize Chris Paul get their debt back to like a championship level in a single off season and so then by the time by the time all of it like comes together what Chris Paul is going to be 40 years old

Kevin Durant's going to be 37 what are we talking about at that point I think they're done I see your point I see your point counterpoint is they have Kevin Durant and Devin Booker for the next four years or three years after this season and we just saw what

Kevin Durant plus Kyrie with a decent team of role players around them can do. They're going to have that with Devin Booker who's probably better than Kyrie at this point or at least at least on the same level to whatever your opinion on Kyrie is. That's going to be a thing. They can trade DeAndre Aden, who we know they didn't fucking want, that Monty Williams had never fucking wanted. And they could trade Chris Paul. Who knows what they're going to get for him, but...

That'll be so tough to do. You're getting a bag of fries for that. I don't know. Some old man with a $40 million salary? Nah, I don't... He's going to be serviceable for a few more years. I don't think it'll be that impossible. And maybe that's the route.

If you're saying the part you disagree with the most, is Chris Paul being able to be revitalized? Who's to say Fred Van Vleet doesn't want to walk and they sign and figure out a sign and trade since Chris Paul to Toronto to go figure things out there and get them in line. And then Fred Van Vleet replaces him. That only work if you attach Aidan to that.

But I don't even know the money side of things are too complicated because they both... Not really. Chris Paul is a big contract. Fred Vandleet's probably going to be comparable money-wise. yeah we'll see Fred's game 40 no no no but

so then say they're stuck with Chris Paul they can move Aiton they can definitely he's he's the most movable piece yeah but but again like it really depends what what you get out of that

because if they end up if they and they probably wouldn't because the Nets were super super like short-sided in their trades with Kyrie but if you end up with a trade like that i don't i don't think that you're gonna um or may actually now that i'm thinking about them honestly might be the best move is that you try and get like these like win now pieces

to try and replenish that depth and really just go all in on kd and booker can you get yacopoto and gary trant junior for john drayton does that what you want from a former number all pick well that's that's a sunk that man is that right now he's an above average center that makes 25 million dollars a year i don't i don't like that he's an above average center but you know like he's one of those players that wouldn't surprise if he made an all-star team at least once or twice in his career he's not going to do it next to kdian booker i think we figure that out by now and he don't like he doesn't like them and they don't like him so yeah some somebody has to go but just like whatever that is like a slight down grade in center

is that another good wing y'all come and gary train isn't the word i mean i pulled that in my ass i haven't even thought about it i don't know if makes sense but that type of framework it would fix a lot of their problems it'll fix a lot of their problems by just simply getting bodies who do a lot of the things that they should start be doing, they should start doing more. And I would honestly look at that as an option, to be honest with you. It would suck because it's like, like, this is my number and overall pick

and I'm trading in for Yaacup and Gary Trent. Listen, you're saying like those guys are nobody, Yaacob isn't going to be that much different than 8 in production-wise. Yeah, Yacob's good. And then Gary Trent's a legit good shooter, who's a decent defender, like throw that on your bench or throw that at your starting three. production-wise for what this team needs you're absolutely right about that

and I don't think there's I don't think there's a space or a place for Ait and even in the future with like Devin Booker if I'm being completely honest would be just because of how just because the seeds that were planted way earlier way early in his career how things are going now like he's never going to be

a priority in my mind so yeah so make that trade give your mid-level exception to Josh Richardson get a couple of rain chasers on the back end like there's a path of them being a decent team next year doing stuff like that josh richardson i guess a solid 3d wing crazy they are they are asking anybody off the street please come save us now josh richardson is good please please come save us for a mid-level for a taxpayer middle-level exception that's like six million dollars a year judge richardson would

be a steal no he's he's worth it's just the the quality of net the level of names that that we're throwing out that can fix the sons is ridiculous yeah i mean it's so like though like they're not that far off like this they're not completely cooked or screwed is it's like they have the have all the ingredients they just need proper utensils to cook with and like actually feast with you know nice they're fucking you like that analogy don't you're proud of yourself for that one soup with forks absolutely i'm a i'm gonna rewatch this podcast yeah they're not far off when we're talking about a team that just can't eat the nuggets we're not talking about the nuggets though maybe the nuggets are just fucking good maybe yoke is him like all the conversation this other season

the stuff that lost him the MVP was he doesn't win in the playoffs because he deserved three in a row when he hasn't done anything but last time we saw him healthy with jamal murray and michael poor junior conference finals took the lakers to seven who won the championship yeah now we're fast forward the two years later when he finally has those guys again it looks like he's gonna beat the shit out of kevin ratt and devon booker he's potentially play the lakers like he's a good player that has made it further than most guys yeah without a lot of help too just dude remind you again, still doesn't have a single all-star on his team.

Jamal Murray might be the best like non-all-star guy in the league and he's like, he could easily make one some time throughout his career but like it's still impressive regardless dog. God, they're so deep too. We should mention the fact that it announced Joelle and Bid did

officially win the MVP that was announced a few days ago. Yeah. Congrats to Joelle and Bede. We haven't talked about that enough. Yeah. I want to say I said it a couple podcasts ago. It's like, that is the most like, here, damn, leave me a lone award ever. Hey, shut up about it. Fuck.

Yeah, exactly. No, yeah. It is to an extent because he did win it in such convincing. He won it by a landslide, right? Yeah. That only happened because of the winding of Kendrick Perkins that started the whole media narrative. The crowning achievement of Kendrick Perkins' career, by the way. Yeah.

He'd single-handedly won. the MVP for for joel and b he deserves he deserves one of them rolexes too he needs that so that's why he won with such a landslide realistically but to his credit joel and bid was he had a season deserving of an MVP award it's just when you compare it to like the way he wanted over yokech of the reasons is a little weird but joll and beat 100% deserves to be an MVP i would have been sad if he left this run with nothing to show for it because he's been legitimately like a top three player in the NBA for three straight years and nobody gives that credit because he hasn't won a championship and because he hasn't won an MVP now he's

going to be like put into those stratospheres of conversations which i'm happy for before absolutely he deserves it dude he absolutely deserves it starting basketball when you're like 16 15 years old with like literally no skills your best attribute is being big yo like that's insanely hard that is insanely hard so now i'm just like i'm really scared for how this playoff series is going to go with or against the boston celtics if he has another like stinker the narratives are going to be so nasty and if yokech continues to thrive without an all-star how many all-sars is droll and b played with compared to nicole yokech zero to three ben simmons jimmy butler oh tobias hasn't been an all-star um ben simmons jimmy beller hardin he's played with paul milsap

yeah almost i'm counting that i'm going to fuck oh wait that's that's nasty yeah no yokes did play with paul milsap too so it's like one to five so far i think it's cooked wait yeah it's cooked man yeah so let's transition this in the talking about the series you just alluded to they're tied one to one right now with the boston celtics game one joel and b missed with his knee injury that we're hearing more and more is more severe than was initially thought joel and b came out yesterday and said if they were eliminated he should be out three to four weeks right now but he's playing through it

he came back for game two after James Hardin somehow beat the Celtics by himself with the best playoff game of his career in game one and now Joel Liby came back and they got fucking curb stomped in game two yeah they got they got ran off the floor that was embarrassing

on the night he got his MVP too that's embarrassing and I don't know what his stateline was he was clearly hobbled who's falling a lot He's balance was clearly off with his knee. He was on the ground nonstop. But he didn't look horrible. I mean, listen, he falls a lot when he's healthy.

That doesn't mean, that does not mean much to me. And the first half of the game, how many blocks did he finish with? I believe he finished with like five or four or something like that. And the first half of the game, he was an absolute, like, as expected, a monster on the defensive end. But second half, that's where things just went like completely downhill. So, yeah, none of the starters played big minutes in the second half. So, like, it's not even, like, relevant to look at his final score stats. Yeah.

But it was just a fucking ass open, man. Hardin, like I said, Hardin had the best game of his playoff career, which is funny to think about, but it is honestly true in game one. Had a 45 point masterclass. Game two. Not good. It's just, it's hard to see consistency with the six-year team, I think. Which is especially with a hurt and bead.

That's one of the reasons. Well, it was Hardin who I, listen, shout out to him, because I have been very hard on him kind of all year and I haven't expected that much from him. Oh yeah, let's talk about it. And he had, he had himself a game. It's about time, you know, 13 years into the league, you have your best playoff game. So shout out to you, James. But like, Boston came out in the second game and this is part of the up and down nature of Boston.

There's some games where they come out and like they look like they can beat anybody in the league. And then there's other games where shots aren't falling, defenses, off like they just they just look out of it last night was one of those ones where they fully leaned in to missoula's offensive they're like we are going to jack up threes all night long we're going to shoot threes and we are going we're going to play the math and everything went in absolutely everything not everything nothing jason tatem shot went in talk talk about it talk about talk about tatum real quick this man was one for seven over three from three point line grants you only paid 19 minutes because it was a blowout

he didn't play much the second half. One for seven, he had no parts of production for this game, and they still beat the living shit out of them. That's scary. Because Jalen Brown had an off game, game one. People talked about it. He was asked about it post game. He came out the second game, went off.

He carried while Jason Tatum didn't know how to make a bucket. And that's why they're scary, right? You're talking about some nights they're off because they can't make three, some nights they're unstoppable because they're making them. They have two elite wings and only need one of them to be on their game for them to be able to win a single game. It's pretty hard to top. Yeah, man.

It is, but this, I mean, but Tatum comes out in game one and has 39 points. And you come out with, you know, with everything that you, that you just said. And I think that's something that we saw in the playoff in the final series of last year. And I think a lot of us gave Tatum a lot of grace. I know there was like a subsection of people that were like, oh, he like, he choked, he's not him, this or that. But like, it's your first final series. You're playing one of the best defenses in the league, right? Stuff happens.

It's okay. but for him and I really don't know what it is and I want to know if you guys if there was a moment for you guys this season where it kind of turned because Tatum was in the MVP conversation for a good part of the first half of the year he was he was going

he was driving to the basketball he was getting fouled he looked like he had you know unlocked everything and now we're kind of back to the Tatum that we got last year where there's a little bit of inconsistency we don't really know like what Jason Tadden were going to get on a night-to-night basis. Was there a moment for y'all that y'all saw where, like, things just shifted for him?

Because I can't, I can't remember what, what exactly happened with him and why it's been so shaky over the last couple months of him. Yeah. What do you think, Mo? I mean, I just think this is who he is. Like, I mean, I just expect it. It's expected with him. But also, I don't know, their offense is so inconsistent, too. And there's this, like, constant, okay, we're locked in. were locked out.

I can't really pinpoint anything specifically. I have one pinpoint but I don't want to shift the entire conversation so I'm assuming Isaac has a better explanation. That's for like Tatum

and whatever he is. I think it's earlier this year we saw the best version of Tatum ever for the same reason we saw the best version the Celtics ever

they were hitting all of their shots Tatum was shooting extremely well from three on a very tough shot diet you know the stepbacks he loves to take and he said he was getting to the room

extremely well. We saw him fall off in the same exact time. We saw the Celtics have that little struggle where they've dropped from the one seat to the three seat for a while around January or so. And so Celtics fans talk about this a lot. They think that he just has no bag anymore, that he's taking the mid-range out of his game on purpose

to maximize efficiency and play Missoula ball. And he does step-back threes and drives to the room. And if you have Celtics fan, it's detrimental to him. Because, you know, you're relying on step-back three is nonstop. He's playing almost Harden-like style from a 6-7 wing. That's kind of his go-to moves now. So it just doesn't give you a lot of versatility and you're

more prone to going cold when you're taking these type of shots. It's the same reason Steph Curry has a lot of games in the finals that are weirdly inefficient and that stands out with people's mind. They say he's not a good playoff performer. Yeah, when you're shooting nothing but threes, occasionally you're going to have a bad shooting luck and it's going to happen. Not really indicative of your skill. It's just how

the math works out. And I think that's kind of why you see Tatum be very streaky is because he has an extremely hard shot diet and doesn't have doesn't choose to take a lot of stuff to balance that that's that's very that's very interesting what what version of tatum would y'all want would y'all do would y'all want this version of tatum

or the one where he's trying to take every hard shot that coby ever took yeah saw for your uh tatum i want to mix the both to be honest with you yeah i mean yeah that's like that's like this perfect tatum but like if you're only going to get one of those like would you rather him have the bag and then the bag end up with like with turn around jumpers but like they go in maybe a little bit or he's just taking step back threes and you have and you have nice we's you know yeah for seven i mean this this version is the best version of tatum he's ever ever seen

he's more most impactful and it's also he doesn't not want to take mid range jumpers like there was a clip that was on twitter a couple days ago where it was a clip from him his first playoff run as a rookie and he had like attacks me downhill look super smooth pull up hit the mid-range shot and somebody was like oh my god this man's bag has gotten so much worse self-transfer in a frenzy but it's also they defended him different he was a rookie now he's a superstar your scouting reports exactly they get defended in a certain way to take away their skills and for him they're throwing doubles to him when he gets to the to the frito line they're throwing you know nail defenders to him so he can't get to the rim he's not he's not open to take the mid-range

shots as often so he said okay I'm going to learn from Hardin but with my own flare I'm going to take threes in a way that I can get my shot off every time and I have to worry about extra defenders. I'm going to make the pass me more of a playmaker when they throw doubles. Like he just is forced to play a different style of play now. So I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Yeah, I can agree with that. And speaking of a style of play, just to flop real quick back to the 76ers.

Something that they need to do so much more often is attack Al Horford and try to get him off of the floor because right now on the offensive side of things, he's not given the sex Celtics much he's giving him like six seven points at night on terrible efficiency assuming like 40% from the field and that's because he shoots jump shots most of the time

but he's not giving them anything and also he's like the age is catching up to him quickly and a part of the reason why the Atlanta Hawk series was a little bit more extended for the Celtics than you'd like is because like the Hawks found out oh shit Al Horford he can barely move let's get this man

right now yes cement feet And so I saw the Sixers do a lot of that. I feel like that's what happened a lot, and that's part of the reason why they went ahead and won in such a shocking way against the Celtics. But having Joel and Beat in there kind of throws that off a lot. They have to play a completely different style of basketball, a style of basketball that some could say, some could think like me that doesn't 110% utilize harder in the best things that he can do.

But when you have, like, Joel and Bede, like, bro, I'm going to do whatever Joel Mabed needs to eat because that's the best way to win. Yeah. So it's tough. But Al Horford, having them out there on an island by himself guarding Tyrese Halliburton or Tyrese Maxie and James Hardin sounds like one of the, something that they need to do more of. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Real quick, going back to Hardin, did you all see that quote where he just fried Donovan shit? where he was like

he was like yeah you know all year they say I'm not out here dropping 40 because they asked him he dropped 45

he's like yeah I've been able to do this I've done this for years all year I didn't do this and y'all said he can't do this anymore he's not the same heart in

but I'm out here averaging 21 and 10 and when I did do that you said that style couldn't win now I'm sacrificing being an elite playmaker I knew I could do both

what do you want for me you have 24 hours to respond Donovan what do you say Max he's spitting this is what's a we're going to do. No, I'm joking, but realistically, like, we all kind of, everybody, he's right. Like, he's the hundred, he fried all of us. He fried the entire fan base. Because we all

said, like, oh, he's not hard anymore. Like, he can't score like that. That sucks. But he's, like, purposely not doing it. You know what I mean? And you could argue with whether that style of play is the best thing for him to do. But I think he showed he could still do both. It's a purposeful thing. And he's responding to people saying a style of play wouldn't work. So he's doing what people want him to do and now nobody's happy about it. Those, man, Donovan, what you got to say? Okay, let me pull this up real quick. Right?

Right. So James Hardin, right? Oh yeah, I can do that every night. Yeah, James Hardin scored 45 in game in game one. The next night, but you know we had last night? Two of 14, 06 from three. Do it every night then, right? Do it, do it every night.

If you can, if you can consistently do it, let me see it. And we fried you for years because you would score. 45 for 10 months straight and then when the lights got bright you would do this go to a 14 and go 0 6 from 3 I don't want to hear this from from james hard I don't want to hear he didn't fry anything he got he got he got he got the he got the win it was a very good it was a very good win and a very good game from james hard and then Peyton pritchard ran him off the floor and they and they got they got dominated I don't want to hear anything from james harder I'm I'm joking but there is something to the fact

that he changed a style of play on purpose to go towards what people were saying and nobody liked it like he definitely can't win when it comes to that yeah exactly bro people just don't like hard and that's just what it is and

the things that he's done in the past like he's just known and he will never be able to like shake that playoff choker you know that playoff to come on time on time on what happened what happened this year

when joel goes out what do you mean you tell me why if james hardin can do it every single night why is he not doing it when when joel and beat is well he is i think i saw a number of people talking about this and you look at his minutes with joel minutes with joel on the bench he's averaging like 21 points for 75 possessions with joel playing and 28.7 with joel off the court so he is doing that are those i'm saying those are in games when joel is there or just like in general it's total any minutes that joel's not playing and minutes where he does playing so that counts for both So to an extent we have seen that

But you're right It is harder when Joel is not there And he's the guy that the defense is pointing at So you're right And he can't do that no more Yeah I mean Last game we saw him

No Joel That's a coaching thing in my mind That's a coaching thing Yeah But we'll see I think that's enough about this series It's TBD how Joelle looks The rest of the series

And TBD what James Harden does Do you guys still have the Celtics winning it? Oh she's Yes, just, but I'm not confident. I don't really trust the Celtics right now, but I trust the Sixers less than I trust the Celtics. That's a great way to play. Yeah, so it's...

I can't believe the Bucks folded, man. The Bucs should be in these conversations. I'm going to disagree. I'm going to say I have Philly with this. Even though Philly, like, bro, they're just known to... They have people on their roster, just known to disappoint. But the Celtics, I just hate the way that they're looking, the inconsistency of their play.

Like, I just can't. I can't bet on it, but I also can't bet on the Sixers, but Joe OMB won't his MVP and Harden Drop 45. No one saw that shit coming. When's the last time we saw James Harder 45 point game? Like, I can't tell you. It's been a minute. Fucking Trump administration. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it's been a minute, you know. And so seeing that and seeing like 70 or 60% Jewel and Bede, I'm going to take it. I'm going to hate myself for saying that, but I'm going to take it. Let's talk about this last series that we haven't touched on before we get out of here and get to TikTok time. The least interesting, boring-ass games that nobody wants to talk about Knicks versus Heat. Don't do it. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Listen, the New York Knicks are here. We even the series of, I think, listen, Jimmy Butler was Jimmy Butler in game one. And him and even going down with the injury, he had done enough up into that point to really just like set a really good foundation for everybody else to kind of close the game out i think that brunton has has come alive now he had

a very strong second half josh hart is the greatest role player of all time he he almost had a triple double he's andre egudawa he's the goat man i love josh hart but i i think like especially if jimmy's going to be hurt moving forward in this series I don't trust Miami and Gabe Vincent to be, you know, to be offensive juggernauts. Now, you can't tell Gabe Vincent that he thinks that it is his time. He's been knocking down shots, but they have to, they have to work so hard to get these shots. And I don't, I don't think that's consistent when you don't have anybody who can create separation. Getting to the basket like that, especially if Bam isn't going to be averaging, you know, like 24, 25 or whatever, and like picking up the offensive load.

if you're putting everything on on it's funny but if you're putting everything on gay vincent it's not it's not going to work everything's on gave vincent's shoulders it really it really feel when you watch at least when you watch game two it really felt like that it felt like they were running the offense to him and i think like i i think i think i think brunson has has found his groove his shot is falling mitcher romison is is is rebounding really well rj barrett after and listen And we cooked R.J. Barrett for the way that he started that Cab series. He played really well in the second half of the series. He's played fairly well in this series as well.

I think New York just has more guys right now. Absolutely. They're just going to end up winning. I think if Jimmy, I have to assume Jimmy's going to play game three and beyond. And just because of Jimmy Butler, I'm going to assume he's going to look pretty close of what him in a brother always look like. And if that's going to be the case, I think I'm going to pick Miami to win the series still. they took home court advantage

they got their game on the road which is all they had to do you go to the first two games in New York all you had to do was one one which is probably why they were comfortable letting Jimmy rest game two wasn't a big deal if he comes I feel like

if it was a game seven he would have played so if he comes back with that extra couple days of rest and plays I think you've seen Gabe Vincent come alive Kyle Lowry is doing good things again weirdly Kevin Love looks like he's a usable player in this series

maybe that was just because Julius wasn't playing game one and it was easy for him to hide I just I think they're getting enough from the guys I need to get stuff from that Jimmy can take them all the way and especially if Julius isn't going to be entirely healthy

Brenzen's dealing with the lagging injury I'm going to trust Jimmy over them it's reductive but I think I'm still going to go with the heat Yeah I agree with that I do think that the Knicks just straight up Have more talent than them From like head to toe compared to Miami But because of Jimmy's Jimmy

He's the second coming of Jesus Christ Whenever it's the playoffs for some reason like I'm going to lean that way a little bit more and also who he has on that bench specifically Eric Spolstra and his ability just to put everybody take everybody's strengths and put you in the right position in the perfect place to win at the end of the day like it's on them if they perform or not but just like seeing how we're putting Gabe Vincent in certain positions and like all the type of shots that he likes to take and sometimes he makes him he misses and then lately he's been making him or whatnot like I just I don't know I just like that that I like to lean that way a little bit more I wouldn't rely on RJ Barry he's been doing good shout to him kudos to him like we're the number one RJ Barrett haters or these two of the three of us

are yeah and I just don't listen I was starting to turn I was starting to turn on but he's coming alive I don't want to fool me it's two games he won't fool me he won't fool me he's got hot from three before he'll get hot from three again I don't care

but if he can say hot for just three more games than the Nick then the Knicks are onto the East Conference Finals. I think with RJ playing well and also the Knicks are just out there, they're winning the boards by a very, very like high margin and they can rebound until like the offensive rebounding, which was always, which was like a really big deal in the Cavs series. It's the same thing here.

And like I'm looking at the numbers now, the Knicks through two games are plus 13 on the on the glass. That's crazy. They were they were plus 16 in games. too. If they can control the boards and if they can get those offensive rebounds and get extra possessions, I don't think, I don't think Miami has enough defense to, to continue to scramble and scramble and scramble off of those rebounds and defend the three. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, this is a weird series where because of the injuries we've seen so far, it's hard to have any really strong opinion about anything we've seen. Game one, no Julius,

game two, no Jimmy. It's like, we haven't had a single game that we really learn what both teams they're going to be like matchup wise fully strength with the at full strength yeah so it's like I don't even know what to say like it's if you went into it thinking the heat we're going to win I feel like you probably still think that way if you went into it thinking then nicks are going to win you probably still think that way too yeah that's that's fair I I also I'm looking at this series I hate Jimmy Butler and his media day photo and the fact that it is still up on the gay dot com with the shaved face and the in the faux locks this is crazy I I can't stand this picture but

He's a villain for real. But, yeah, I think the Knicks are in good position. I think they right now are trending in the right direction, whereas with the heat, you're still, and you're still hoping that Jimmy can play. Yeah, yeah. And you're trying to find offense from other sources where New York is starting to click again. I think it was just a bad game one. And the Knicks, at least in the first half of game one, they were in control of that game, right? and things just kind of fell apart at the end,

but I feel like they've played better basketball in more quarters of this series than the heat have. And so if we're just talking about finishing, I think at the end of the day, we're just talking about being able to finish in the fourth quarter. They were able to do that in game two. And I don't think that Miami has some crazy home court advantage where the Knicks couldn't go in there

and get a game and even the series up and make it, you know, a best of three. Yeah, for sure. And at the end of the day, Miami's still with immersive injuries more than the Knicks are. So it might come down to that. Fun fact. Mitchell Robinson is averaging more offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds. That's so weird.

Five offensive rebounds per game and four defensive rebounds, bro. That is so wacky, but so valuable. He's a monster. He's a monster. That's such a weird, strange quirk that's also incredibly valuable. Yeah, exactly. He's going to get a good payday. He's going to get a good payday whenever.

for his time comes when is his time come he was drafted in 2018 uh i think they yeah he was drafted in 2018 i know for sure and uh it may come i don't know if he's going to come this summer it might come this summer actually is it contract year Mitchell i can't i can't remember what no no no no no no no no so Mitch uh miss signed a four year 60 million dollar deal two years ago that's right after so he has next year then the year after okay okay i forgot he extended You'd have two more years. It's weird. You couldn't tell because the way he'd be talking

and shit, Thomas. I don't want to be here. Like, who would have known? I forgot he was being a crab baby earlier this season. Yeah, exactly. Had Pierre from through the wire saying, shut the hell up. That was hilarious.

Yeah. Before we move on and TikTok time, one more thing we'll talk about that I forgot about. The Bucks have finally fired coach Mike Boodenholzer. Broken hour ago. Time to get a professional coach. Yeah, time to get a real guy in there that actually will coach and not just

pep talk and build culture Early, early thoughts Who do you think they're getting? Nick Nurse, it's Nick Nurse. I feel like, I feel like they should be a little bit worried Nick Nurse. There's only one coach in the market

that is more talented than Mike Boonehoser and his Nick Nurse. I would lead towards Kenny Atkinson personally. I was, I was thinking, I was, I was thinking, to give Yonis Kenny Atkinson. I was, I was thinking about Kenny.

I think they should, I think they should, interview Dan Tony. I do not. I do. I do. I think, I think,

I think the problem with the, with the bucks is that their offense has been very, very stagnant. Even, even whenever they, they've been good. And I think that even in Houston, they've had,

they had years where they had good defenses because Daytona just wasn't running the defense. And I think that potentially, right, you should at least look at it and just say like, maybe, maybe we bring dantonie in give the defense to somebody else and also if you have drew brook and yannis you have enough of a defensive infrastructure to where you're not going to be trash on defense

so like maybe maybe look at it right sure if i think you want a different option the hard part is for all the bud's faults for his inability to adjust and not be a particularly creative offensive coach with that talent he is like the premier culture builder in the NBA everywhere you he goes he builds the best culture everybody buys in wants to be there and that's why the bucks have been so good and their schemes have been so like you know tight-knit yeah whether you say the too tight-knit but they've all bought in and done the way they want to be played they all the players played the way the coach wants in the play because people will run through a fucking wall for my boonhozer dan tony's not that type of guy so to go from a hundred to zero in terms of

locker room culture would be kind of tough i feel like it's as long as you have coasters Stenacompo doing the most unnecessary things ever, you will be fine when you come in terms of... The Nasus? Yeah. Yeah, Anasas, my bad. Okay, make him the coach. Yeah, exactly.

I've been boys playing rugby out there. That's crazy. Yeah. But I feel like Nick Nurse is like a unique blend of the only guy you're going to find that X's and O is better than Bud while also giving them a new voice in a locker room who...

He had issues with Toronto with a locker room presence. That's why he's out. Yeah. Yeah, but he's not my... Don't Tony, Mike Don't Tony's like fucking useless His locker room presence Have you ever heard the guy talking a podcast? No, I've not

I've not heard of Antonio talk He didn't motivate me as a podcast listener He has no base in his voice Yeah, I'm dead He has no base in his voice Oh yeah That's hilarious Wow

Let's do it All right, cool Yeah, that's that on Dan Tony Nick Nurse, you're officially a Milwaukee butt Yeah, that's cool Knight him, shoulder, shoulder. All right, man. You know what time it is?

Let's get to it. This is TikTok time. Tell them about it. First thing we're going to do, as always, we're going to start with the draft. This time we're going to do the best NBA menaces. Let's get it. Y'all are not ready. Y'all are not ready.

The most Black Air Force energy we can think about. Yeah, let's release these demons out there. Menace can mean anything. It could mean. enforcer it could mean asshole bully whatever it may be we're gonna leave it open it and see where it goes absolutely let's do it who is the first

pick I have second pick who's before me I think I do yeah I think Donham has a first pick okay I'm second most third yeah so let's draft NBA I've touched the hand thing yeah do that shit let's drive NBA line

see now it feels weird because I'm just moving my head do it be you let's drop NBA embrace Let's draft NBA lineups with the I don't even phrase this Let's draft NBA lineups with the greatest NBA menaces When you black Air Force energy

Yeah All right Let me get the wildest dude in NBA history Give me Dennis Rodman first pick overall Oh okay okay I'm gonna go Yeah that's objective 1-1 right there Yeah

I'm gonna go My second pick I got him last draft Give me Wilk Chamberlain Which you might think of him as a menace But Karima Abdul-Jabar told a story one time Where he spit on a guy's head and said How's the weather down there? It's raining up here

God That's disgusting Menace Yeah that's disgusting That's nasty bro All right cool Y'all y'all came out swinging Y'all came on absolutely swinging

Are you going with David West? Again That has to be You will never move that down. The most fumbled, okay. You know what? I'm going to go ahead. Give me the most hated man on the internet, Dylan Brooks.

And then I'm going to, and then I'm a loop back. Yeah, I'm a loop back. Go ahead and give me NBA young boy, DeJante Murray. He's a deuce bag for no reason, bro. Shoving refs. Bro, he's bouncing ball's head, a ball off of Jabari Smith's head, bro. He's an ass, but I love it. Second pick

Give me one of the best trash talkers Kevin Garnett Oh Nice, yeah That's good That's good I'm so surprised That this guy

Fell to me Oh, I just remember Give me Ron Artex Ah Ah damn Y'all fumbled Dennis Robben and Ron Artez on the same team

Yeah We're winning every fight We're Yeah We might lose We're going 0 and 82 on the court 82 and O in the fight So I've Dennis

Robbenerst I'm mad that you picked Kevin Garnett But I will get You know what actually you know I'll go with the guard Give me Gary Payton That's a good pick I like that I like that

Who you got Isaac Okay oh my turn again Yeah Okay so I don't have Hmm Can't get runner test Not a lot of wings available here I'm gonna go with

You know I'm gonna go with Give me Christopher Give me Christopher Emmanuel Paul He's so big That's good. The most annoying player in the history. God, he's amazing, bro.

I love that, too. But damn, bro. Oh, my God. No, we might have to cut that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely cut that. Okay, your turn. All right, cool.

All right, so I got Dejante Murray as my guard, and then I got Dylan Brooks as my two or three. Okay, I'm a shift thing. around on my lineup a little bit so give me give me Tony Parker do not bring your wife around that man so very dangerous things will happen and then on top of Tony Parker give me the one of the most disrespectful superstars who's thriving today in the NBA Jimmy Butler he will harass your coaching staff your fans everybody bro give me Jimmy Butler okay okay I'm gonna pick to fill my back court next to Chris Paul give me Patrick

Beverly. How would we not pick this man? Oh, yeah. That's good. I was hoping he came back on my side. This man is the devil incarnate. Give me him. All right. Let me see how to do this. So what do I have? So Dennis Rodman, Rod our test. Gary Payton.

Let me get Let me get the guy who can get a technical foul just by looking at the ref. Give me Rashid Wallace. Damn, he was on my list. Damn, my. That's hilarious.

All right. And then lastly, uh, okay, this one's really tough. I wish I had a six man so bad. I need another, I need another guard.

Give me Bruce Bowen. Bruce Bowen literally kicked a man in the face during an NBA game. I need that on my team. While we're on the topic of kickers, give me Mr. Big Boot, NBA Sean,

Michaels himself give me Draymond green Oh, damn That's good Damn All right I love that shit I love that Damn

All right so I got I got Tony Parker Dejante Murray Dylan Brooks and Jimmy Butler I need a big man I'm going to get crushed

in the paint All right Go ahead Go ahead and give me Yeah Go ahead and give me me Ben Wallace Okay

Yeah Go ahead and give me Ben Wallace He's a mean man Okay Yeah he's Bro Okay

Okay Okay I don't like that wording right there A mean man That's great That's great Okay

Next thing we're gonna do After that draft I should say our teams real quick Yeah I have Chris Paul, Patrick Beverly, Dremont Green, Kevin Garnett, and Will Chamberlain. It's a lot of assholes. Yeah.

All right. I got Gary Payton, Bruce Bowen, Ron Artesse, Dennis Rodman, and Rashid Wallace. Oh, that three front court is crazy. Yeah, you're not looking to win games. You're just out here to see who can do suspect the most and get the most technical. All 100%. Look at the black guys. This is Park basketball.

Yeah, exactly. I got Tony Parker. Dejante Murray, Dylan Brooks, Jimmy Butler, and Ben Wallace. My team causes a commotion. You're a lot of commotion. Yeah. We're causing a lot of ruckus on this side. Next thing we're going to do, we're going to do the second staple that we always do every week now.

We're going to do another tier list. This time, we're going to do a young player's tier list. Okay. This will be good. All these players are under 25 years old. so let's put these young NBA players into a tier list first off Luca Donchich he's S tier right S gotta be gotta be S tier

the best young player alive absolutely next of another white boy Tyler Hero he's a B tier I want to see I kind of want to say C plus but B is very fair I just don't like yeah he's a little too good for C but there's probably people in B who you're like

always definitely better But he definitely deserves B. Yeah, B is fair. He's improved in aspects here and there, and he's just one of the better shooters in the NBA, B for sure. Okay. John Morant. I want to say S.

Is S too steep? I think he's a B.A. I think he's in a different tier that Luga's in a different tier. By himself. Yeah. That is true. Yeah. I think A is fine.

You're right. He had 26 in the playoffs. I'm not mad at you if you want to put Josh, jaw at the bottom. I'm not mad at you. going up a job at the bottom of s but I think he has to get a little more under his belt before he gets there

yeah a tier for sure pause okay yeah that was a major pause I just didn't want to say yeah you want to ruin the TikTok but okay let's go Shaggildas Alexander

8 tier as well yeah I thought so as well A tier as well What about Josh Giddy C he's I want to say B

But B, B tier. Is Josh as good as Tyler? He does more things. Loki. Locke, I think they're in the same tier. That's so interesting. Listen, all the white boys are in B tier. Just put him there.

All right. We're not going to over rate or underrate. Put the white boys in B. All right. B, stamp it. Let's move on. Jordan Poole. Well, he's a C.

He's been playing like a C. I think he actually is B, but he's been playing like a C. Yeah, does he deserve B? Like, he's too inconsistent. He's too inconsist. assistant to be B. Okay. Last year he would be for sure, but yeah, I think he might have earned his way in to see this year.

Damn, that's tough. How old is Austin Reeves? Oh, hold on. Okay, sorry. But Jordan Poole can definitely get himself back into there, though. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm still, I'm still in shock from the shot that he took, which actually wasn't that bad of a shot, but, but yeah, he's going to need to start making those shots to

to get back in B tier. Yeah. It's a make or miss league. Let's give him a C for now. Evan Mowgli. B. He's not A yet. He's too good for B.

He's not a different tier than Tyler Hero. He just dropped nine points in the playoffs. How is he too good for B? He was top three in defense player of the year voting. He was top three, but he was. And then the lights got too bright. Yeah, exactly. Let's put him, let's slow down.

The same tier as Tyler Hero. Are you looking the eyes and do that? I want to put him like B plus tier. Because I just don't feel like he's the Do you, are you, do you want to put Evan Mobley in the same category as Jai and, I don't. You're right, I don't.

Yeah, no, you can't do that. You're right, you're right, he's B. There we go. Disrespectful as fuck. We just witnessed him put up Kenneth Horee type numbers, bro. Let's put him at B. What a name.

Wildly, wildly disrespectful. Last one. Austin Reeves. Is he white? He's white. Put him in B. You're right. There we go.

There he goes. The rules are simple. If he's white, he's a B-tier player. Let's move on. You're not wrong. That's so crazy. Let's not get too crazy. Okay.

Next video. Next thing we're going to do is y'all are going to rank these point guards I name you without knowing who's next. One through five. One through five, let's do it. Y'all have seen these TikToks usually going to randomizer. This time I'm the randomizer. I'm giving the names.

That's too much power. I don't like that. Wait, I just deleted any. Oh, there it is. Okay. So, rank these NBA point guards without knowing who's next. First one, Marcus Mark. I'm going to sit here.

The four is perfect. Four is perfect. Four. You guys are going low, okay. He's a defensive player of the year, but there's a lot of, I would take so many, so many more point guards are in. Because he's a fraudulent deep. P-O-I. Kyrie Irving.

One or two. What do you think? If he has... I'll say two. I'll say two. Yeah. Two's fair. I'll say two.

Two's very fair. Listen, we're waiting on the big hitters. Yeah. Okay. I feel like there's better. Alex Caruso. Five. Five.

Yeah. That's easy five. There's no worse. Okay. Jahl Morant Is he one? Jah would be one Yeah

One I'm not gonna What if I have Steph Curry That'll be You wouldn't do that to us Okay Last one Killian Hayes

Ah He's really five There is worse Now Damn What a list Damn There is worse

that house Crusoe Kelly and Hayes he got us yeah he tricked us he tricked us that's good

that's gonna be that's gonna bang because Kelly and Hankis is in there okay next thing we're gonna do we've been doing a lot of which NBA logo

is better older new and which jersey is better older new where we're comparing the previous branding of a team to their current stuff we're going to do something similar

but it's going to be about players they'll play for those teams. So I'm going to do, let's say the hook now. Which NBA player is better? Old or new? And I'm going to keep it to the teams. Perfect.

Coli Yokich or Camelo Anthony. Nuggets Legends. Yokes does two MVPs. It's Yokich. I just want to test, I want to test you your Carmelo stand this over there. Yeah, I can say a lot of people not go. Listen, you ask me tomorrow.

I don't know. See, listen, they lose game three, I don't know. Only one 15 is getting, there's a reason why they let Yolkits carry that number 15, bro. Oh, yeah. You shut your mouth. Shea Goulders-Alexander versus Gary Payton. I think it's still Gary Payton right now. But Shays, but Shays on his way, though.

She was at the Met Gala, bro. Gary Payton has never sniffed an event like that in his life. Oh, Gary Payton has never wanted to fit that hard. That is a strong point to consider. Yeah, exactly. Can he articulate his thoughts in the playoffs? Can he articulate his thoughts as well in the IG captions as Shea? I don't know, man.

Listen, listen, Gary Payton was always busy in April. Oh, that is true. Give me Gary. Yeah, realistically, Gary Payton still deserves it, but listen, a few more years of Shea averaging 30. He's going to be given a room for his money. Agreed. Joelle Embed versus Alan Iverson

Now this is This is so good This is such a good MVP versus MVP Yeah I'm taking AI I'm taking AI I know

Listen I know Joelle is fire On both ends of the floor AI has been to a conference finals He's been to a finals He's been to a finals He's more durable Than Joelle Embed is True

I think I would take him Also his vibes are just much better It's Alan Iverson Yeah, absolutely right. His swagger, his aura is just immaculate. But I have to take Joel Embed, though. I think just straight up, he's a better player. Yeah, call me a, say, say it's my age showing, but I'm picking Joelle and Bede. I think that level of skill and defense plus playmaking plus scoring from a big man is super rare.

I got to go with that. Yeah, exactly, bro. Agreed. Y'all never wore a sock as a shooting sleeve I see. You guys were not influenced. I have been exposed. DeMarcus Cousins Versus DeMontes Sabonis

Saccatown Big Men Prime Boogie clears That was nasty He would have never been embarrassed The way Sabonis was He never would have let Dremont stomp on his chest Never He would have stopped back

Yeah put Prime Boogie In this series against the Warriors He's easily giving him 26, 12 and 6 bro and also he's beating Draymond over the head with a chair like his TLC and WWA it's not even close he's he clears I'm playing neither one could really defend they're both solid playmakers Simone's is probably a better passer but I think the scoring output of

but I think the scoring of DeMarcus cousins is so much better that he probably gets the nod but you would give sub bonus buckets right now and point him up line him up line him up king of the hill uh huh Luca Donchich versus Dirk Newisky Oh, it's still Dirk I almost said

Luca Ah Listen, Dirk deserves it Dirk's done way too much To lose it this fast But when it's all sudden done I will not be shocked

If Luca is a better player all the time Yeah Absolutely But he's definitely He's definitely got to fucking Make the play in first Before he Before we cry out of anything

Yeah exactly Talk to him Talk to him Let me get back in the plane first before we get too crazy. Yeah, make the plane and start running a little bit more suicides, and I think he'll be straight. That's funny. Jason Tatum versus Paul Pierce.

This is damn near equal. This is a hard one. Yeah, this is equal as hell. I'm going with Paul Pierce. I'm going with Paul Pierce. Tatum has not. Tatum hasn't shown me enough In the in the playoffs

I can't What is Paul Pierce better at though? I think he's more clutch Okay Well I mean listen What else? Most of that they're equal right

And I truly I truly think that like they Their impacts are Fairly similar Very equal And at that point It just comes down to vibes And who do I trust more

And I think I trust Paul Pierce more That I trust Jason Tatum So I'll take him Okay I'm not going to die I want to lean Tatum Same But let me get one more

I want to lean Tatum But let me I'm gonna say I'm gonna give I can't talk But I'm gonna go Pierce Until we see how this Playoff run ends for Tatum If he makes another finals run

And shows that he can really perform At the highest level deep in the playoffs Then I'll give him the nod Agreed Let's roll I think on paper he's probably better At more things Yeah agreed same

Yeah he's a better Defender Probably a little bit better every passer just as good of a volume score like i don't really see what paul pierce does better uh paul pierce was stabbed multiple times and came back and played 82 games oh durability i forgot about that yeah durability is insane he survived the stabbing so yeah i'll take paul pierce okay fair enough okay that's that next thing we're going to do is you guys are going to have to guess the all-time leaders and steals

Okay. Damn. So let's see one through five, and you guess a name, and then once you get it, I'll tell you where they were in the list. Perfect. So, all right. Can y'all guess the NBA all-time leaders and steals? I'd think we can.

Can y'all guess the NBA all-time leaders and steals? I said it weird the first time. Oh, go ahead. John Stockton. John Stockton is number one. Leandro Ball should have been on this list, but sadly he's not. Let's Is Gary Payton on this list?

Chris Paul is definitely Gary Payton is number five And Chris Paul is number three Oh look at us gold Okay okay we need we need two and four Okay All right The hard ones

Yikes Two and three Yeah You got the easy names out of the way Let's go with Is pistol Pete on this list Pistle Pete is not this list.

Damn. Okay. Pistol Pete is not even in the, oh, I'm on blocks, one second. Pistol Pete is number, not relevant. He's not on here. Damn. Pistol Pete was a horrible guess. He's not even top 25.

Wow. Is Nate Archibald? It's tiny? Nate Archibald is also not top 25. I'm just throwing out names now. Okay. Yeah. Two and four.

I feel like Paul Pierce is top 25 That's random Wow He's top 25 Is Mark Jackson on this list Mark Jackson is not And nor is Kobe Bryant

Damn Okay Jordan is on this list right Jordan is number four There you go Okay So we need the second Second

It's going to be a guard I feel like I think about guys who played for a long time to be that high. Yeah, second is a lot, dude. A lot of fucking steals. He has 2,685 steals. A lot of steals. Who was number one again?

John Stockton. Okay, cool. Is Steve Nash number two? Steve Nash is not number two. Sorry to break it to you. Dang. Someone who played for a very long time. Super sad.

Jason Kidd? Bro. No. Jason Kidd is number two Ah Okay I'm like he said Gotta be lying

That's a W Plutch Let's go There we go It's funny with the new TikTok thing now I gotta think As I'm listening to you guys

I'm thinking about TikTok at it I'm like Is this gonna get a minute Because no They have to be a minute long Yeah Yeah

Is that too fast Okay We have one more video to do Before we get out of here Please We're going to do another draft of sorts That we're going to test out And if this goes well

Maybe we'll start doing it every week But instead of drafting teams We're going to draft the perfect basketball player So, you know Instead of 1 through 5 We're going to go athleticism Handles Shooting, passing, and defense

And you got to pick a player For one of those spots And then obviously if a player gets picked You can't pick them from a different spot And this is only current day players Yeah, we're going to do players in the NBA right now Perfect got you got you So let's build the perfect

NBA player, how did I say I was going to phrase it? Let's build a perfect NBA player with skills from only existing, not existing. From only current?

Let's build the perfect, yeah, current. Let's build the perfect NBA player with skills from only current players. And then I guess I'll get first pick, Donovan's second pick, Mo third pick. Let's do it.

Let's move that way. First pick. Wait, is that how we're doing or am I third now? Oh, we're not doing it in the same order as the dress. Okay. Well, I just threw,

we'll do a different. order for these. First pick, give me Curry's shooting. Is the easy one. Okay. Okay. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

Give me Zion's athleticism. Oh, that's a good one. That's nice. That's nice. Okay. For passing, give me Lucas passing. Okay, I'm surprised you're passing first, but okay. Yeah.

Oh, should you do a snake draft for this too? I think we might as well Yeah we might as well go ahead Yeah we might as well Then for shooting It's only natural Give me Clay Thompson Oh actually

I take that back No no no no no no no no no no guys can't do that No no no no no no guys can't do No you're ruining the fun You said the name Don't ruin the TikTok You said first and last name Don't ruin the TikTok

All right Don't ruin a TikTok No You tell me is there a better option than Clay Thompson Yes and I'm about to take him for my shooting give me

Damian Lillard shooting Ah You're an ass You're an ass You're an ass All right well I can't believe You guys

Let's fall to me Give me Yonis's athleticism Oh that's cool I have a 611 Deemy McCurry shooting I won Are we got his body too

I forgot I forgot we were putting like body type Into yeah And then you know what Give me Kyrie handles Shit Now we're cooked

Okay okay Okay Okay, that's fine Stop that All right Zion shooting Let me see I got to get passing

Passing handles Underrated handles All time Give me Yeah Give me Steph Curry's handles I already pick Steph Oh I can't pick anything

You can duplicate players Dang I did not know that Okay Now it gets difficult Now it does Now it does Defense, defense, defense.

I want somebody versatile. Give me, give me Bam out of BIOS defense. Okay. Give me defensive player of the year. Jaron Jackson Jr. defense. You are only playing 20 minutes a night. You're going to talk.

Hey, then you're going to feel them in 20 minutes, though. Believe that. Buzz? Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. So I got shooting, passing, and defense. For athleticism, give me, I got to, let me pick his teammate, John Moran, athleticism.

Okay, that's a good pick. So you got a guard with all these skills. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. I forgive me because I can't remember already. But give me Nicole Yokic's passing. That's nice.

That's nice. Arguably the best passion in the NBA. Okay. So defense Again you let me get the best one Give me Anthony Davis defense Not the best He did not win defensive player of the year

But I like that If you watch round one You thought Jared was a better Offensive player than him You're watching with your eyes close It's a regular season award And lastly passing Give me LeBron James

Nice Can't be mad at that I smoked y'all Did y'all really? did you I don't think you I don't think you smoke Wait did you hear this

I think the Yannis thing is really tough To get by Yeah And the stuff thing Yeah the Yonison The stuff thing Is really tough

Okay for handles Loki Give me Paul George's handle Okay I think there's a lot Of better options But that's not terrible Damn

I think all I need Is handles too I got athleticism That's jaw shooting Night Thompson passing I got Who the hell is my passing Luca

Yeah Luca's my pass Is your first pick Yeah exactly Defense Did I choose defense already You got Jaron Yeah Jaron

So for handles Give me Give me Trey Young for handles I'm gonna be slippery On the court All right Well that's the end of that video I have

Steph Curry shooting Yannis athleticism Kairi Irving handles LeBron James passing and Anthony Davis defense. With Janus' athleticism though does that mean you have Janus body too? Because that changes things.

You got Janus's body too. Okay. Yeah. Shit. Yeah, that's different. You lost it. All right. All right.

All right. So for I got, I got John Moran athleticism, Clay Thompson's shooting. I got Trey Young Hand. Handels, Luca passing, and Jaron Jackson Jr. defense. I think I did damn good.

You have a guard as the best shot blocker in the league? Yeah. Best shot blocking guard in the goddamn league. Yeah, who shoots like Clay. Goddamn, so tough to stop. Yeah, that's crazy. All right, I have Zion's athleticism. Wait, let me get this right.

Okay, I have Zion's athleticism, Paul George Handels, Damien Liddard shooting, Nicole Oakich passing, and Baner, a biodefense. That's, listen, that's tough. That's tough. Is that not like, let me obliterate you?

But you have a good second. Imagine Zion Williamson pulling from half court. We're cooked. Yeah, there's no, there's no stop in that. You're absolutely right about that. That's me. Now imagine Jan is doing it.

Nah. That's me. All right, man. That's the end of the episode. Donovan, what should they comment? I have the You can't put me on the spot like this I don't know

Comment Comment Comment heat in seven Heat and 7 Ooh ha ha You bum It's the end of the episode See ya