The Deep 3 Podcast - Which Early Season NBA Trends Should We Believe In? | TD3 Live

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

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to make sure this is the best stream possible because this is a momentous occasion. We're not just here to stream to talk about basketball. We're not just here to talk about the NBA, to yap, to tell stories, all this. We are here to celebrate and to dance on the grave of one, Nico Harrison. The devil is dead.

He's out of here. The NBA is whole again. He has been fired by the Dallas Mavericks. In fact, it was announced that he was going to be fired at 10 a.m. Central time. This was announced at like 9.30 central time. So they said in 30 minutes, he's walking to the office. They're chopping his head off. He's done.

They said, don't get too early. Don't get too comfortable, Nico. He's going to be out of here soon. Don't get your coffee. He was driving to the office, opened his phone. Sean Serrani said, you're getting fired in 27 minutes, buddy. That's what his day started. He said, damn.

And honestly, the real reason why we are late and why you, all the things that Isaac was saying, like, you know, we had to get ready, we had to go to the store, we had to get the charcoal, we had to get the special meat. We lit up the grill today. It's about 430. Whenever we get done with this, it's going to be around dinner time. We are firing up the grill tonight. I got Karniazada back there. I got kibasa back there. I got all the sausage you can imagine.

We got burgers, steaks, everything, ready to throw a party because the guy that has been, I guess, though, collective enemy number one of NBA fans out there. who don't even really care about the Mavericks, but feel bad for Mavericks fans? How dare you? Yeah, in principle, how fucking dare you do something so horrible to a fan base and so just deplorable, right? You feel bad for the Mavericks fans at worst.

People obviously also get tinful hats on to make it even more of a big deal. But at the worst, we feel bad for a fan base that has had some type of healing done today. Man, me personally, I know we're supposed to be happy on all that, but of course, like I rebuke the devil just like everyone else too.

I'm not on that side of things But I am kind of sad as well Because we Lost an idiot as well We lost a generational idiot We lost someone who caused pain That wasn't pain for me Like if you know my ammo

I'm a fucking Hawksman And seeing this whole debacle happen Brough brought me joy to my fucking hearts Because we don't have a lot of guys Who carry this level of brainpower In the league these days They don't make them like Nico Harrison no more Yeah we lost a walking lick

the NBA. That's what he's saying. Many fan bases out there over the years would have looked at Nico and said, how can I get off on this motherfucker? Now we lost that opportunity. And I'm just glad that I got looking before he went gone. That I got Lucas on my team. If somebody had to benefit from all this, I'm just glad it'd be me. So just know I'm talking from a point of on the benefit party and all this. But I still feel bad for Mavericks fans. It's still a good day. Exactly. And that's the, that is my biggest thing out of all of this, right? obviously Nico Harrison did something wrong and he he deserved to be fired for trading away Luca Donchitz and selling people a dream that we are still in a title that we are still in a

title window knowing good and well you're not right that that's on that's on one hand but for math fans that doesn't change the fact that Luca's gone right you have to go and you have to find whatever healing that you can on your own just because this other guy just because he's taken care of does not mean that your pain goes away right So you need to do whatever it is. Talk to whoever you need to talk to to to understand it's time to move on. It's time to take the first step forward.

And that is what today is about. How will you guys remember this era of Maverick's Basketball in between the Luca Dantia trade and the Nico Harrison firing? I think I will remember this era as one of the most scambious eras, but also brilliant eras and also the most stupidest eras of all time. Because Nico Harrison managed to touch all those words, key words that I just said. He, of course, like, this is not his first bad trade. Lucas stuff is not the first thing ever. He went ahead and decided to let Jalen Brunton walk for the fucking free.

You know, it is what it is that happened. Lucas trade happened. But he built a very concise playoff team. He went ahead and traded for Daniel Gafford, who was just sitting there riding on the Washington words. He traded for PJ Washington. He went ahead and scooped up Naji Marshall for the fucking free. They did all this, like, amazed, all this. amazing stuff just for this to boil over and eventually like burn the fucking house down. And what I'm starting to realize too

is that I think Nico Harrison, he's a fucking arsonist, bro. Like that's what he does. He's an arsonist. He's insane. He went up and blew up his own house. Not even blow it up. He lit it on fire. And then what he did was he like had a bunch of China stored in the fucking basement. And he brought out. He was like, look, I got this cool

China. Clay Thompson. I got PJ watching all that. But none of that matters because you're homeless now. You're left. Starless. Well, he, like, lit the house on fire. It burned to the ground. But then he, like, found an old wallet on the ground that had $10 in it. And he was like, I think the fans are starting to see the vision I had for my arson.

I think the fans are finally starting to understand the grand play we had here. This motherfucker arsonistic, man. That's the most annoying part. This was, this is the day, a six or seven months. How long has been since that trade? That was March? February. Before deadline, obviously.

So early February. It's about nine months. This is a pregnancy defined by hubris. defined by ego defined by doubling down as soon as you had the tiniest amount of time to do a victory lap, as soon as you could rub it in people's faces that maybe something good would go your way,

he took that opportunity because he got lucky with the lottery and said, ha ha, I know everything, fans are stupid. So this is just like the ultimate comeuppance, feeling like somebody finally got what they're due. And not just because he made a bad trade that happens, the tone of which it was handled when the whole fan base went up in arms

and said, we hate you, Nico. the ego that it was met with all you can do is be happy to see him gone yeah a lot of it is like you don't understand the plan that we that we really had working when one you would have never gotten the number one pick if you didn't trade trade uh lucca away so this idea this is all part of our plan that's not true two you traded him away a year after you a year after you went to to the finals so all of this we're in our championship window yeah because luca's there dummy And then a month after you trade for Luca, once again, this dream of we're going to have Kyrie, we're going to have AD and we're still this championship team.

Kyrie tears his ACL because he's being overtaxed because now he's playing 40 minutes a night at 30 something years old to try and keep this team above water because Anthony Davis who played awesome for the first half that he got there instantly got hurt. the moment he put on a Maverick's uniform. And that's the important part. So obviously him getting fired. It's met with 90% people saying, get him out of here!

And like being happy. Then 10% of the contrarian geniuses on Twitter are like, he didn't have a chance. It was only 10 games. If you would have gave him the chance to see his whole idea go through, if you'd have gave him a moment for the vision to come together after the injuries,

he was really clicking. He really sold high on a lemon when he was supposed to. And it was really genius and yada, yada, yada. So there's a lot of discourse now about like, what's the legacy that's going to be? is Nico a scapego

I'm seeing throwing around a lot because people were like are we sure it was only Nico didn't the owners have to approve this and you said a good point in the group chat earlier when people were talking about it

what is the owner supposed to do fire his fucking self yeah like he mistakenly allowed Nico to execute his vision believed in the guy that he hired to run his basketball team he made the mistake

of doing what we asked all owners to do listen to the basketball people he was hoodwinked like the rest of us it seems and at that from that point he realized bygones are bygones we've already been fucked

let's get him out of here so we can get our fan base back i don't think he's a scapegoat for anything i think he is an idiot who is paying idiot idiot consequences yeah and their owner too specifically he is not from the basketball ethos he's not a normal basketball fan didn't have no type of basketball background in fact he had a background like gambling he has affiliations of heavy affiliations and ties into like Vegas and all that and i'm tenfold down and all he just doesn't know much about basketball when you're right He did do the smart thing, which is let the basketball people do the basketball stuff. And I am not on the side of the idiots, but I would, I would have loved to see at least Nico get his licks off and at least try to build this vision and see the whole thing burn and explode. And good point.

And that's why I brought that up, right? Like, so yes, you could argue that who knows if you would have worked, right? Who knows that this team with AD and Kyrie would have worked? We never got to see it. I don't really give a fuck. It's insane to tear this down for everything Donovan said when you're in this winter. now mode and have your pivot be Anthony Davis. Like, it kind of makes sense.

You can see a world in which he's smart for selling high on Luca at the time he sold high when he was overweight, not trying hard, whatever it was that led to a couple of weird years there, or really one weird year there post-injury. If you tell me there's a world where that would have aged well and made sense, I can imagine that. I can promise you that outcome is not the one where he trades Luca for Anthony Davis and Cam and Max Christie. The package he chose to get when he chose to trade Luca, I don't even want to see that

vision gone through at this point compared to what you gave up. I don't care. I just feel like I don't care either, but I care for the sake of my entertainment. It's like almost you're watching a boxing or UFC fight and you see a dude get pissed up and he's about to go unconscious and the referee just gets in the middle calls it off. I want to see him be

eviscerated, bro. Humble to the fucking ground. So you want to see Kyrie come back and they still suck? Yes, I want to see him be like 5 and 30. I want to see that type of like, oh like you really didn't stand a chance. You're really an idiot, you know? That's the okay so so luca gets traded whatever because because you trade him like obviously like that that move is so nonsensical but then it makes everything else that you do make no sense it makes

the fact that you went out and got clay thompson in the offseason it makes that move it makes that again nonsensical why would you why would you pay this guy to come in here to play off of two amazing ball handlers when he can just run around catch and shoot and now clay thompson is on a team with no point guards because you're starting Cooper Flagg at point guard. Anthony Davis is hurt, Kyrie's hurt, and now it is either Delo or Clay Thompson. And now, and he is shooting basketballs behind his head because he's so overtaxed and old at this point. That, that doesn't make sense.

Obviously, the Luca deal is like up here. Just on like a pure value, like maybe that also wasn't smart. Why the hell did you trade Quentin Grimes? Do you remember what he traded Criminis for? That too immediately after, obviously it's going to get swept under the rug because Lucas traded. But in terms of actual process, that move also made no sense. He traded Quentin Grimes to the Sixers for Caleb Martin and a second round pick. Caleb Martin right now, he's averaging like one point a game shooting 30% from the field.

Louis-Grym was just putting a fucking career number, 17 points, 40% from the field. He's a guard that they would fucking love alongside Cooper Flag. Like, just losing around the margins all around, bro. Yeah. And again, like, there's so many things to point to to why this was stupid, why this doesn't make sense. You can do all the contrarianism you want about let him do his execute his vision. The timing is poor. Give him a chance.

You don't even know if it would have worked. All that makes sense on paper. If you're talking about the most like, like I said, on paper logic that guy built team, you believe in team. We don't see team together because injury. Now he's fired. What happens to that team you believed in, right? This is a reality. They have a fan base in fucking revolt.

They are, we're legitimately at risk of losing their core fan base. Wait, didn't you tell me, didn't you tell us they brought like coffins to the stadium? They protested outside the stadium. Exactly. They had coffins. Inaction and looking at your fans in the face and saying, we're just going to ride this out and see what happens, was not a realistic option unless you were okay with completely losing large swaths of fans over time who can't stomach the decisions made as they watched Luka thrive on average 30 and 10 for the Lakers.

You can't sit there. do nothing. So at some point they had to do something. This is the option that was looking them right in the face a day after the trade happened and they saw the first fire Niko chance. This was always looming above them. It was a matter of how long can they deal with fire Niko chance until they realized they have to do it. And they can't, they obviously, they couldn't deal with it much longer. But this is, it sucks. And the, the, the 10-4 people, the 10-4-Hat people, they have a little bit of ground to stand on. Only in the fact that like, if you are saying that we're going to try and tank everything so that we can move the team.

The only reason why you can believe that is because literally for the next decade, every Dallas Maverick fan from the age of 12 to 55 or whatever, the next decade of Dallas Mavericks basketball is going to be defined by whatever Luca does in L.A. And it's going to be defined by that and his successes and what could have been if he was still a member of the Mavericks. So you have to try and like, and that's why like for them saying, okay, we're going to move the team over to over to Vegas and we're going to make, you know, this new fan base. That's the only reason why that could, you know, possibly make sense because this specific group of people, they're scarred forever because this move was so dumb.

That's the only thing that you can think of. That's such a like, that's a funny, funny conspiracy theory. But it requires like 10 levels of accepting things before you get to being realistic. This is the funniest part of me that I've seen today from Isaac. Isaac Harris. My last convo with Nico Harrison as GM was Media Day this year. He told me my why shouldn't you be fired question was the most disrespectful question he's ever been asked and we had a good back and forth about it. It ended with him saying time will tell if I was right. Time is told. He was so pompous with everything he said. He was so arrogant. I guess

you could say he stood 10 tell. It was good for him. He didn't back down. I guess now I'm saying that what else was he going to do other than display confidence. But again, it feels good to see it fail. Yeah. And one of my favorite talking points was when you mentioned how they're at like serious risk of losing their core fan base, the guys who pay season, towards season ticket holders and all that. They actually lost like, you know, Dirk Novitsky. I remember at the start of the year, he said that or someone said that he's usually at every single home opener. And this was the first year that he wasn't part of it. And he hasn't entered that building at all. But he's over there in L.A., dapping at Luca, yapping it up with him and all that. And you're right, like this needed to happen for the sake of the actual branding of the franchise and the actual like longevity and legitimacy of it. Yeah, bodies had to drop and Nicos was the clearest one that had to drop. Like there was, this is the easiest way to pivot to new generation.

And I guess that's the new thing now, right? We can spend forever laughing at Niko and saying all the things we've said for the past nine months about how ridiculous his era was, how he was wrong, yada, yada. They have a path forward now. So, you know, they can take again this year. We talked about the fact they should obviously trade Anthony Davis. the only thing the way it was Nico had to say I was wrong on him being the win now piece

none of that matters anymore someone else can take over I think Michael Finley is the interim GM there's a couple people that have been given more responsibility he might hate a Luca too yeah that was out there too but I bet you he also doesn't love the Anthony Davis era

doesn't really see that going anywhere so I'm sure that's on the horizon is an Anthony Davis trade is we tank this year if out of shape stars are like the top of his list for things that he hates yeah it's not looking good right now

So there's a world in which they have a somewhat promising future still, is what I'm saying? Yeah. And for the sake of trading away or firing Nico Harrison right now, you needed to do that so you can not lose much else value from Anthony Davis and get ahead of things. I understand it. I get it. So now I guess we're talking about like what's life like after Luca. And you're right. It does start with someone like AD.

It eventually starts with Kyrie whenever he, well, they won't be able to trade him probably when he gets back. So it'll probably be like a next year thing. or just my keeping, but I think that they're in prime position to do that. And of course, like, whatever illustrious future that they had when it comes to look like, that's out the window. You're just trying to, like, be competent, be good, be respectable, and do right by flagging the hardcore fans. Yeah.

And so I can try to brew up what possible destinations fit best for AD, but it's, it's kind of a mucky market right now when I think about it. Yeah. And wherever it goes, it doesn't match. matter too much. They'll get the best they can. Maybe it's two first-on picks and whatever salary in between, right? But they have a chance now to tank and get as high of a draft pick as possible,

which will not be difficult for a team that's currently, cheeks. They can go and try to get a top five pick and hope they get lucky in the lottery again. Because after this, they don't have their picks in their control for like five straight years. So this is the one single year they can tank. And I'm sure they know that. And I'm sure they're fully ready to try to get AJ DeBonsa or try to get Peterson or try to get boozer. So hopefully you're going to next season. have Kyrie coming back 100% after half a season post-ACL and a whole off-season.

You have insert top pick and Cooper Flag and Derek Lively. And you can try to do a normal Young Core thing and not do this accelerated win now without Luca bullshit. Yeah. This is awful. This sucks. Man, not having your pick. I completely forgot like through the years of when Nico was like making good decisions,

trading for Gafford, trading for PJ Washington and all that. Like they don't have control of their fucking pick. Mesa's worse. Now, of course, I think maybe that one ever, yeah, maybe it wouldn't matter too, too much because Cooper flag is that level of prospect and whoever you pick in the series draft two, they're that level of prospect as well.

So maybe that won't matter too, too much, but man, they're just so much on the bone and this is a nasty way to go out. Also, the hawk, it's the hornets that have pickswops with them. They have one. I can't remember if it's one or two, the hornets got. Oh, that's ass on ass. So, you know, same cheek.

Who knows if in 2028 or whatever when the hornets have a pick swap if you're even going to actually swap. You might be swapping with a good, pick either way. I don't necessarily see the horn as being good in 2028. Who knows? But yeah, I saw someone say on Twitter what's going to happen when they swap Zion for AD?

They can't do that. No, I don't want to see Zion next to Cooper. No. Who can't do that? No. Why? Why? Why? Why would they do that? New Orleans can't do it. Why not? Because at this point, like, I'm just kidding. It's not. That's cool. You know? What's going to do when they swap cat for AD? Someone said the Hornets 2027 pick swap is also top two protected. I mean, low key.

Would you swap cap for AD? Why not? It'll be good. He's already hurt. What are we talking about? I'm not going to do it. Yeah, he didn't tear his ACL. It's not like it's a,

he's not fucked. I wouldn't do that right now. You wouldn't do that at all? The vibes are so high. Listen, we're always just trying to tinker like. How quickly they forget the playoffs every year. Just relies.

AD alongside Bruntz will be fucking disgusting. Someone said, AD to Chicago. The ligable. Okay. No, Anthony Davis, finishing his prime with his hometown team. That wouldn't be too bad.

I don't know what they would give for him. I don't know what that price to hear of Zillis. Kobe White. Not Buzel. He's only untouchable piece, I think. But Kobe White, Patrick Williams, and whatever other money he takes. Giddy? Sure.

Vucevic for money. Damn. He's got to be expiring eventually. Damn. He's got two years left. Eventually he'll be expiring. He's always like a year away from being expired. He's never expiring.

Always got a player option. Thunder have the Mavs 2028 pick swap. So it's in 2027. It's the Hornet. Thunder and 28. They're always involved. They're always here. Oh, my gosh.

Any other final thoughts about the Nico Harrison era before we put it to a close? Dallas Mavericks fans, you can finally like rest. You've gone through the most like treacherous thing. Any NBA fan in the course of history can go through. You lost your beloved blue chip. One of the like someone who's eventually going to grow into one of the best players of all time. You lost them for basically nothing. You can rest your eyes.

The devil is gone. we may now repent. Yeah. So I saw somebody else said that Nico will never get another job in the NBA because if you look at

his resume, it's I traded Luca for AD and I lost, I made Steph Curry leave Nike. And those are the other two things he'll be remembered by. Dude, he changed like literally the course

of basketball on and off the court. That's crazy. Who's Nico's player comp? His player comp. Of utter disaster that his legacy would be disaster

in the way you just said. Jonte Porter? All he has is controversy. Some a little bit better because he has actual talent too. Like he actually does. Barely he was like a two-way player that didn't get a chance

to do anything because of injuries. I'm talking about like Nico. He's better than that. Oh, okay, okay. Nico's actually like a starter bear minimum. Terry Roger has some years. He made some good trades proportionally. Yeah, it's maybe it's like,

yeah, it's like Terry Rozier with a scandal, I guess. So it makes sense. I guess. They're saying Ben Simmons, Kwame Brown. Quamey Brown is all over. with a place in the chat.

Let me around. So we'll say D-Rows. Nah. What did they say? Nothing. You guys know we're not going to know that one. Can't say that. Yeah.

Rest and piss. Anyways, Kate Cunningham took 45 shots. Shout out. Damn. So now the question is asked. Is this a good game? Of course. The better question is,

how much do we believe in emptying the clip and where is the line? This is a lot. Shot shots. Where's the line and what ending the clip because bad?

I honestly like for a for a game against the Wizards which you shouldn't be going to war with but for a game against the wizard

for a regular season game before Thanksgiving if you have anything negative to say about this game go to hell go to absolute hell

there's there's nothing there's literally nothing wrong if you also go and like if you look at the box score after you see Dang, Kade took 45 shots.

He scored 46 points. Scroll down a little bit more. See who was inactive for this game. Everyone. See who was missing for the Pistons and then scroll back up and see who was playing for the Pistons. And then you will understand why Kade felt the need that he had to take 45 shots. Would I have liked for him to make more shots after taking 45?

Of course. But guess what? Life isn't always good. Do what you got to do. Win the game and get buckets. And that's what Kay Coddingham did last night. Shout out to him. Shout out to Cade, man.

The most missed shots in NBA history. Dude, I was so shocked when I looked down the listed names of who he was playing with. Javante Green, 38 minutes. Chais Lanier? Ooh, he had a good game. Shout out to him. Oh, my God. Danis Jenkins?

He had a clutch shot, but no, he did. He did have a clutch out. Who are you? What, man? I know you are. I know you are now. Damn. Someone said the most dawn thing I ever heard.

Facts. It should be. respect. I legitimately, especially after last night, the last, really like this whole start to the season for Cade has has done two things. One, again, bolstered my claim and my want for Cade Cunningham to have somebody else alongside him because every time he goes into lane, it's multiple bodies. He's seen he's seen so many double teams and he has to work through that. He obviously has to like get better on his own. But the fact that he's seen it so much, don't really love that. And two, Listen, man, he's rising up.

I thought that Paolo was like my guy, like my young guy. Kate is snatching the chain. Kate is out here, and I love watching Kate Cunningham. The dunk that he had the other day against the Sixers, I had seen the highlight online, but then I was like rewatching the game. Because whenever I saw the highlight, I didn't see the time code. So whenever I was watching the game. You're talking about when he dunked on drumming?

Yeah, and I saw the dunk. And I was like, oh, my God. He's so tough. He's so tough. Shout out to Cade, man. Just a normal Monday night in the NBA, Kate Cunningham, 46 points on 45 field goals to beat the Wizards and OT for the seventh straight win. Desmond Bayne game winning three, wendy back-to-back clutch three-pointers to beat the Bulls, Donovanl clutch three to tie the heat in OT, and Hugh Wiggins game winning dunk first of the Cavs in point four seconds left, and Grayson Allen had 42 points. What the fuck, 42 points?

I, dude, I choked up when you sent that text. You sent that text last night. I was disgusted and when I asked you. Yeah, that was crazy. Who? fuck it was against the pelicans Zane exactly that's exactly what I say I said okay shake your drag

crazy ladies ladies I'm trying to get a triple double type shit exactly yeah crazy night it is just a funny discourse because like oh my god that's so many shots

oh my gosh such a good stat line they didn't win the game yeah it took that many shots to beat the wizards good lord they had nobody it's already it's already he was playing with. Yeah. I mean,

we're already kind of saying that now offensively. Maybe they saw it. Damn. Maybe a couple of times Javonte Green should have shot the corner three. I don't know.

Maybe a few. No, no, we needed it every single point. They all had to be tough loaders. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Yes. Sometimes you have to do that. Like, if they play that game in two days, then I'll probably be like, okay, what do we learn from last time?

But the first time you get into that, into that situation, I'm okay. if Cade goes and takes 45 shots. That's crazy saying, but it's fine. Doesn't bang, game 1 and 3, fading away, bang. This game was hilarious because the magic tried, the magic tried so hard to lose this game.

The last two minutes were comedy gold. Palo missed three free throws, foul the three-point shooter. It was just crazy. They did everything their power until the triple-agers win. And then Bain said, I got us. I will make us dodge coach-firing discourse for at least one more day. I don't really know about that. The headlines have been crazy

that the loss of this game. Yes. Because what we'll go under talked about in this game is the stuff that you talked about for the last two minutes for Paolo. Also really like the last eight minutes because the magic were up going into the quarter. They were up by 10 at a certain point.

And Palo comes in and a lot of his shots weren't falling. And because of that, the offense really stalled out. And you really saw. And also, Shady Sharp had a really good game. And so you saw Portland really be able to climb their way back in because Palo wasn't able to close the door in certain situations. That's just another thing of the stuff that we keep talking about every single week

whenever we talk about the magic. And one of the reasons why the offense still sucks. They're still under 500. But shout out to Bain because finally you have a moment that's good in a magic uniform. Literally. And I mentioned if they would have lost that game, the headlines would have been crazy. I feel like we would have been very close to Jamal Mosley firing. One headline sneak through.

There's a growing disconnect between Palo Ben. Carroll and head coach Jamal Mosley. It is a raising concern is a raising concern within the magic organization. I found out that this has been going on since the last year. Of course, like this was brought up a little bit more because Paula had some interesting comments after the game. But since last year, bro, I was, I saw some resurfaced tweets about of coming from Paul and Carol's mom talking about how there's just no connection between the players and the coaches and they just feel like all lost. You don't fucking say. you don't say

if only we've been seeing that for the past two years and if it wasn't abundantly clear that makes total sense right we've been talking since last year that why isn't going to be talking about the fact this offense is putrely coached there's so much talk about the lack of spacing

and all this stuff Jamal Mosley isn't doing some stellar job and people just like weren't talking about weren't noticing because they were just like young feisty team that got better than people thought real fast because of the defense but like the other part of the court was horrible and nobody ever thought

to say maybe the coaching as part of this. Yeah. Did you guys see the clip of Mosley at the press conference the other day when somebody asked him about like the rotations

and he was like he got like real defensive about it. He said we didn't lose because of rotations. We lost because of the third overs. He went like 29 turnovers. That is not shit.

What do he say? He's like that doesn't have anything to do with the rotations. Yeah. It was like it was real sassy. We were like all right buddy. That has absolutely nothing to do with the rotations.

Calm down, dude. But yeah, I also saw report along these lines that I was talking about they feel like there's no clear communication and, like, roles on the team. Yeah. And that makes sense.

It looks like everybody's out there rolling the ball out there and figuring it out. There's very little organization in the offense. We talk a lot about how much more Franz Volcker needs to be on ball this year specifically that he's like the fifth on the team and on ball percentage sounds like a coaching staff that isn't necessarily doing a great job of figuring out where the allocation touches need to go. I wonder what they did during the offseason. Like, what was their actual like preparation?

They got Desmond Bainon in there. have a fun and they got a shooter now when TikTok dances What did you do, man? They're doing the bees in the trap Twitter trend Back to back,

Palo and Bain What's your motherfucker? It's ridiculous. They're doing the offense This looks like they're not trying to get better over the past year and a half and all the problems are the same

is that now they have Des and Bain dribbling instead of Franz. It's a ridiculous offense that, you know, again, shout out, has been Bain for allowing them to get a victory and dodge these allegations for another day,

they're coming. Okay, it's on the way. Jalen Green is once again injured. Out four to six weeks with another injury to his hamstring. The same one that kept them out of the start the season. He played one game, played well, didn't get a chance to bring it back up because in his second game, he got hurt right away.

Four to six weeks now he's out. Damn. Yeah, this is tough because he was hooping, and it's weird because I look at the sons and I look at them in the standings, six and five. better than I thought. Like, we thought that they were going to be, you know, at the bottom of the conference, 13, 14 seed. I mean, they got wins.

They got like four wins over, over the Mavs, over the Pels and all this stuff. So I commend them for how they've started the season. It hasn't been as dire as I thought. But also, it could get pretty spooky pretty soon. Someone said, Isaac pull up to Westwood again. What? Whoa, what you got going on? It's a neighborhood in Los Angeles.

When did you see me in Westwood? I haven't lived there in a year. also someone said Isaac and moh have the same outfit on thought we wouldn't notice you once again have decided to wear the same thing as one of us two episodes in a row now I will say yeah bro you're on tip you tried me the other day he's bouncing on it no no no no you tried the other day you said you can go cream for cream with me I said motherfucker prove you said bet I said oh when I pulled up and I'm what you know I'm wearing cream but who looks you're wearing kind of cream you're wearing like I don't

know burlap colored yeah it's more of like a grayish who looks creamier you don't look that creamy it has like a like a green hue to it it. It's kind of yellowish. You kind of look like Dubai chocolate with that greenest like pistachio. No, they are saying, they're saying that Isaac is winning the cream off right now. Yeah, I'm wearing actual cream. It's like actual cream color. Is it really?

Yeah, it's way, put your arm in. I'm way creamier than you right now. Put your arm on my camera. Okay, but. For the, oh, you can't reach. It's fine. Yeah, look at this angle. It's way creamier. I don't know, man. I think I think I kind of win this battle right now. Doubt.

I haven't seen one person saying that you win this. It said Mo has low concentration. cream on fax it's faded low concentrating cream they said I'm blowing

mo oh wow this is the most negative wingspan is you gonna reach up here you guys you guys

my wings fans actually bigger than you oh yeah it's bigger than my height yeah it is no it dead ass well yeah of course it is

you tell me of course it is everyone you tell it's like way bigger though well yeah if you're

calling someone your wingspan is going to be a lot big. No, my wingspan is bigger than me too, though. It's like... Do you have a positive one? More, yeah. So what's your wingspan? Like, 6.4?

Yeah, it's like 6, 4, 6.5. You're measuring wingspan? I just don't know what... I think his wingspan is negative. Which I... Which I... It does look negative, though. He said, yo, you're a bitch.

And you're small. Now, man, come on 9 a.m. on the court. Let's go. Getting disrenuous and a week's spanned his mouth. It's crazy. Also, because he doesn't know of his wingspan is negative. I was about to say that feels like something that like, that I would know that like I would just, that would just touch, but I don't have it. I think.

So it said has Don gotten to the age where he starts shrinking? What the fuck? That does happen. This spinal compression. is already here. That does happen. Fuck, man. All right.

Basketball. What are you talking about? Jaylen Green sucks. Good game. Got hurt again. Damn. Salute. It was a good game.

Yeah. They're actually sneaky good. They're not a terrible watch on the court. Their coach is doing interesting things, specifically on the defensive end. And this sucks overall. But fucking Devin Booker, man. He's going crazy. Oh, Link isn't working.

Shout out Devin Booker. And shout out Jalen Green. Deer & Fox came back over the weekend. He's played two games now. Thank goodness. Thank God. 24 points, 9 for 14 from the field against the Pelicans for his first game back,

then played well again yesterday versus the Bulls. It wasn't like a huge connection with Wemby game, but it's nice to see another player out there can dribble. I felt in the first game. It seemed like he was really focused on getting his shots off, and he was. He was he was hella efficient. Yeah, I think this is,

anytime that we've seen Wembe with somebody who can dribble, we've seen positive results. And so now that since Harper is out, This is honestly a really good time because you don't even have to worry about integrating Dylan Harper into playing off of D.R. Foxx. You can really work on what you know is going to be the foundation of your offense moving forward, which is going to be the D.A. Fox Winby connection. And so I'm very happy with what I've seen.

I think that they played fine. And the fact that you got a good Fox game on Saturday, you got another Wemby game, like the one that he had last night where he's hitting Dagger 3, scoring 38 points, closer to what we saw at the beginning of the year where there was that two, three-game stretch where everybody's throwing doubles and looking a little shaky. He needs somebody out there

to not have all of the attention and not allow people to really sit in and throw all the doubles on them. So this is good. Yeah, we have to tweet from Webby Central. Castle, if you miss Wemby under the basket one more time, I will personally buy the team and trade you. All right, Bezos.

So it's nice that we don't have to have this much playmaking load on Castle anymore that we have one more body. there. When Harper comes back, we'll see the full assortment of playmakers. That'll be nice. But yeah, combining getting that playmaking back with Wemby working through all the spacing issues of learning how to deal with these insane doubles we saw for those few games. Good story to monitor. It went well last night because there was some clutch shooting at the end of the game. But for the first half, his stats weren't quite as great. It was another inefficient game

clutched up in the end. That'll be like the most, I wasn't thinking of the way to phrase it. I wasn't saying interesting. But it's probably the biggest storyline in the West right now in terms of like the playoff picture is how does Wemby get used to being the first option? And do we see him continue to average like 30 like the first few games like can you get back to that consistently that'll go a big part of deciding the western conference yeah most of i think it is one of the biggest one of the bigger storylines for sure but i think what makes fox on me back so special he can put up all the points close the fourth quarter and all that but he's making everyone's life so much easier you don't have to see stephan castle be be dealt with like an absurd

task and load and force him to make turnover his average like seven eight assist a game or anything like that like well they said you're sitting like a substitute teacher substitute teacher yeah yeah how do you feel about that I'll be the greatest substitute teacher of all time doubt it why doubt it why yeah because the students are not doing no work

day off I don't think that makes you that makes you the worst subject teacher you're an adult no no I'm the greatest you're pandering to the kids you're pandering to children right now my pandering or am I giving them what they deserve a day off deserve all right next conversation eight nine hours a day during school that's a lot

man anyways the king's offense has gone away from utilizing de monta sabonis as a hub now that's just evansidery's fucking opinion but below that sabonis is averaging his lowest assist total in seven years as sacramento was falling off with a three and seven record rival don't talk about the spark to get it's evansidory but sabonis lowest assist percentage in a while the Zach Levine had a comment in the media other day that's like to ask him with the defense and stuff and he's like man we're trying it's not about lack of effort the pieces aren't fitting really no and the funny part is about that he was like yo that's like asking rudy gobert to drop 30 yeah the pieces aren't fitting it's not going well so but if you if your roster isn't allowing

a bonus to play meek as well as he used to that's a goddamn problem because he can farm some assists with the best of them do we see a trade coming yeah i i think so i think whenever all the trades happened for de a year we understood like okay maybe if you're the if you're the kings you felt like you got the best of whatever was like truly possible in in trading deering at that moment now that we are an offseason removed we're going through the season it's not really going on uh things aren't only happening you you could probably trade levin to a contender and see what happens and try to get something that's all really and good but uh on november 10th 2025 at 1 30 p.m we're doing a free key on ellis school walkout ah that was that was yesterday you know what got damn we missed

it fuck i don't know it's a 11th or november already damn i just the whole past week sped by i didn't realize i facilitated this instead of like a substitute teacher that was me actually i went ahead and did this dude someone says a bonus is spiritually a hawk and i keep telling you that as a joke i'm never going to happen i keep telling you as a joke he is spiritually a hawk though like he's sure he 100% should be in a hawk's uniform it would make so much sense there's a reason i always tell you that as a joke i'm partially like ha ha ha you should trade for this player i think is bad but it really does make sense in my brain the Sabota should be playing with Tray Young.

I think we're past that point. Derogatory. Yes. I think we're past that point right now, but like a year or two years ago, it would have made sense. But sadly, we don't have Landry Fields in our office no more.

You can't scam us anymore. You're past the point? In terms of what? Like, you're too bad? We're too smart now. And we have other pieces that would rather, that I'd rather start over Sabonis.

I'd rather start Okonwo over Subonis. I'd rather start KP and whatever the fuck you're doing on the basketball court, still over Subonis. Can you imagine shooting? the shooting the space and that we have to work with with jeline johnson it'll be fucking nasty i don't know it's fine you trade jeline johnson for sub bonus what the fuck i did you kind of rage baby yeah i think keonella should be traded for dalton

connect in a second round pick yeah i agree that that seems like like fair value i think like especially especially like no i'm in keon he's not gonna get first time pick for him did you hear what he said yes i'm only i'm being very i'm not even really joking like that seems like a king's trade to take golden connect and be like oh that's bucket we need them well for two different trades the kings obviously get the lesser trade the other 28 teams in the league they would get the actual trade so like I think it would take a little bit more

than connect in the second rounder to get somebody like Keanu Ellis also what is what's going on with Keanu Ellis because he just has to have terrible vibes because this team does not have any defenders and he has been like the lone defender for the last two years and no coach wants to play it yeah they're probably honestly

there probably is something too that like we all like these dumb ass coaches don't want to play keon there's probably a reason why like to what you're alluding to we don't really know but i don't know i'm partially joking obviously because i want them in the lakers because i want all the good players in the world i don't think connect in the second round pick is that different than what a trade would actually be like do you think they get a first round pick for him no hell no so like a former first round pick that obviously we don't think is that good but like a former first round pick and a second round pick like that's probably the trade market maybe two seconds i guess yeah two two seconds will probably do it for me

I personally don't want to trade for Dalton Connect. Yeah, I wouldn't either. But I don't think that's, like, whatever version of that for another team that you like that young player slightly more, that's probably what it's going to look like. And I'm saying this to say, somebody is going to scam them for Keon Ellis. And he's going to look so much better wherever he goes because the price is so low. It's going to be something that people are going to be like, how did they get rid of him for so cheap? Because they weren't allowing his value to be higher by playing him.

If the bucks do some with him, then that would be interesting. That'd be smart. Yeah, somebody in a second round pick. Yeah. Look, I don't see, I think even like a bad team is swooping for him. Like, I don't, do you think AJ Johnson is good for the Wizards, formerly of the bucks? Like, AJ Johnson is a second round pick? I think he's, I think he's sold, he showed enough promise to where if you attach the second round pick.

Okay. Can we win more in a second round pick? It gets you some kind of flawed young player you can believe you can fix. That's, yes. I wouldn't, I mean, again, the Lakers would win that trade. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be like they're the stupid people in the world. I don't think I would. okay one if the laker did that

again amazing to them if you trade away can't cam went more I think I might be okay with that I'll be okay for sure Camit more for Keon straight up yeah I mean you're still going nowhere as a franchise they're not moving

You're scamming them but Keon else is so much more valuable than Camden more I think I'd rather have connect than Camden more I think so I don't know

it's gonna take a while for us to figure out what the whole Camelmore thing is Connecting a second round pick Give me the second round pick Camelmore looked good yesterday Did you have a good game yesterday? I didn't see I don't know

Gabe he was a blotted part of the He was a big part of the reason why Cade shot what he shot Okay fair enough maybe he's turning it around Even though there will be good games I don't know man Send him to Cleveland it's hard to The quick trigger is so quick With camera more and I just feel like it's deeply ingrained

Yeah I think he needs to be like sent to a team Like in a couple years from now The Nuggets or something like that Where this teach him how to play defense So run really hard on transition. That's it. Yeah, we need to see him a better situation where he's really forced to play that type of way.

Yeah. Okay. Next thing, do you guys see this play that everyone's talking about with Sangoon dicing up Yonah's full court? Oh, yeah, that was embarrassing. The context of this is hilarious, considering that they had like a mini beef

for two seconds this summer during like the Eurobasket or whatever. Hey, one. That was such a big boy. obviously great play taking this ball pressure and finishing why is Yonis doing this? He's guarding him like his curry, I don't know.

Why did Yonis feel the need? Is he trying to send a message? What is he doing? They were beefing last summer. This is not Yonis' bag. Why is he doing this? I don't know. It's not smart.

I mean, they're down by three. Trying to force to turn over. But like, that's not his bag. He's not your holiday. Ego got in the way, man. And now you're not. And I think who got a clip. Yeah.

You got put on a poster. That, okay, that's specific. civic gamble is the worst part i actually don't i don't hate the press in full court um especially at the end of the game if you feel like you can create a steel cool the the gamble is the one where hey man like look who's behind you you need to you need to stay in front well the most one of the most embarrassing things that i haven't really thought about that's embarrassing but getting spun off on and being left in the dirt just to watch the play develop after you and it being 100% 100% your fault very embarrassing yeah yeah very embarrassing but yeah shadow sung goon getting this

clip on here but he's been so good this year with we talked about a lot with him and kd in their chemistry he the fact that he's like playing so well and creating so much offensive value with why once again not finishing particularly well such a unique player we talked about last week i said like he reminds me of in principle in terms of like driving value of like 22 jah where he's a constant paint touch and constantly drawing defenders and creating opportunities for others even when his efficiency is like average at best for his position that feels very much like the center version, which is a weird thing because it's a different type of athleticism, but just creating opportunities without being an above average efficiency score yourself, you don't ever see

centers like this. You don't, but both times that you've said that, it's always taking me a while just because it is weird of thinking of like 22 and like that version of that player. But the level that the Sanguna is playing at, especially over these last couple games where the lack of point guard and the lack of, and I guess not like a point guard, lack of, lack of, um, ball handling and smart decision making from the from the point guard position that's been extremely apparent over the last really all year but these last couple of games it's really really been highlighted so seeing the same going to be

able to go coast to coast or make these these decisions or finish these plays it's it's it's awesome speaking of John Morant we got a report from John Chris I don't I'm going to say the Memphis Grizz the Timberwolves have certainly changed Checked in with Memphis on Jod, I've tested the waters a little bit from their official, the athletic beat reporter for the Timberwolves. I don't know if I love this for the Timberwolves. I mean, obviously, like, on paper, it looks amazing. You see you have these two high-flying guys who have like kind of inverse games.

Well, not Uber Inver's just meaning like Jod really don't shoot like that. Anthony Oars is that presence. They got Rudy Gobert, too. So we would set decent screens. Feels good. But I worried that they don't, like, they don't have many assets. And this would be like one of the last all-ins. moves that they could do to build

the team around in. Yeah. And like, just salary-wise, you'd have to trade some pretty meaningful contracts. I don't know if they want to dump Rudy-Gober in a three-team deal. They obviously would need to get another center back. I don't know who that would be. Like, I'm, that's possible to do. Rudy Gobert has carried so much water for them defensively. Like, the

on-off numbers are once again ridiculous for Gobert. I don't know if that's going to make them great right away. But if you're selling yourself on a like a retooling, obviously that old center that's aging isn't the worst thing to do in the world? It's not. But I, I, if I'm the, if I'm the Tim Wolves, before I, like, I, if I decided that this is what I wanted to do, before I make the move, I do think that you have to go and you have to get Aunt and Jai in the same gym and see if they can jump the same height. Because Jha and his jumping ability at this point, it looks so cooked.

Did you guys also, you guys saw the play where he tried to, he tried to dunk on Hartenstein. And it is the level to which like three years ago that was Kevin Love and the Miss poster. Oh my God. He got no lift. I didn't see this. No lift. Yo, that's crazy. He thought he was him from him back in the day.

This is one of the most shocking and alarming things that I've seen from Job this season. Because, again, a couple years ago, his misdunks were posters. He was attacking people with such ferocity, being able to jump from wherever. And the fact that a dunk attempt looks like this, it hurts to watch. Yeah. This is just an embarrassing is crazy. Yeah, man. Okay, so this is interesting.

Sounds like watching an old dog. That's how it feels. Go ahead and what are we going to say? There's two things here to talk about. This plays one of them. Ah, man, this burns. This burns. I didn't want to.

I didn't see that play. Me neither. So that, okay, that's very interesting because on the other note about the jaw athleticism and just general level of play right now, he said this when asked why his rim numbers are going down I'm getting no foul calls y'all had a whole spiel about running in their careless and getting hurt

so what now that's what y'all want me to go back to doing let's end that convoy right here nice and aggressive like always job but this tells us so much because we've been talking about this like why the rim numbers are going down we've assumed it has something to do with how much he got hurt and the natural like even subconscious idea of that or in him trying to do whatever athletic point guard does start to build their game out as a year ago on do more jump shooting do a Deeran Foxxie and become a great jump shooter and kind of evolve with your body

there's nothing to assume anymore he's saying I don't want to get or injured and we'll also blame it on the foul calls which is funny but it makes this makes total sense now if that's the case though hey we can't really

John not being able to attack the paint in the same way it's kind of a non-starter for me yeah yeah I don't even know who would want him now if you don't if you don't do the Anthony Edwards career art and you don't take the summer and instantly be it's a long gone he tried that already right like and even aunt doing it is is crazy to become just instantly the best high volume three-po shooter in the league outside of step but if your game isn't going to change that way everything

you do is i don't i don't want a six two zion that's not not there's not this right this not as physically imposing i can't do anything and it's not even close to zion anymore because we have this play now which i'm talking about that maybe it isn't just desire to not get hurt but this looks like you can't jump as high. It looks like the injuries might have cooked his burst. So now we've got two things here. We have a lack of desire to not want to get hurt and want to try to be conservative, which we assumed.

And we have the physical attributes don't look like they once were either. That is an insane combination that we need more sample size to see, but that's how players completely fall off. I hope that's not the case. Hopefully we see them. If we don't see like some type of any type of burst

throughout these next few games, then I think we can definitely sell ourselves on this new talking point. but as of now even with like minus the burst outside of him and his playmaking which has been like very good particularly there's nothing else on the court that he's doing well of course he's all the way he's not finishing the pain he's not even shooting well he's from the field or from the three point point he's not from the field or from the three point he's not much he's paid right now i'm just i don't know what's a contract situation is how many years left but i'm sure what is it's value point no team would want to touch a player like that yeah especially with how much he's paid right now i'm just i don't know what's contract situation is how many years left but i'm sure it's multiple. I don't know what his value is. I genuinely don't know. Like, is it almost like you can't trade for him. I'm sure there's some front office out there that sees it as like, we can fix him. We understand the flaws there. We can get a better version of him. I'm sure that exists. And I'm sure there's plenty of reasons they actually can't work. Right. He's not

100% screwed and impossible to build around anymore. But I don't know, man. I'd like sell myself now instead of it being exciting. So he has three years, including this year, left on his contract. He's making 39.5 this year, 42 next year. And then 45. 4.9 in two years. Okay. So, I mean, it's not like 60 at some guys. Yeah. So it's for a star and like a one option, it's not a terrible contract.

But so like, you know whenever they traded Luca and everyone said, oh, now you just took, you just gave one of the five most competitive players in the league this fuel of saying this entire team does not believe in you. Do you think, and like maybe John is, maybe it will have it for him, maybe not. But, like, just on the outside looking in, do you think that that would be something that you would associate with Jai? Where, like, if you trade Jha to Sacramento, then he's like, I can't believe Memphis gave up on me. I'm going to show him now. Like, on the outside, looking in, it doesn't feel like that right now.

Yeah, I mean, I think he probably feels a ton of criticism already and probably already feels that I would assume. Like, he's been the most publicly criticized star outside of the problematic ones of the last few years, probably. Yeah. If that was ever going to happen, I'm sure it's already here. Yeah. Yeah. And if it's not here, I can definitely envision a world in where what you're saying is true, like the battery is reinserted into his back. And he's on the hunt to reestablish his NBA hierarchy. Literally every single night I see him play a point guard who he used to be at least in conversations with. He used to be definitely like ahead of conversations. I'm talking about Shay. I'm talking about Kate Cunningham. Hell, eventually played Darius Garland. All those guys. Like he was ahead of those guys when it comes to where people place. the top point guards in their head he has to be like hungry again to do so

especially even more hungrier when it comes to how the Memphis Grizzies have just constantly deprioritized him his play style and how do we make Jha go instead of how do we make this whole organization go okay well this is a good transition to our main topic of the title of this we're going to talk about trends and whether we think they're real

this is the first one do we think this trend of Jama Rants I don't want to phrase this no longer being a star is that is that real I think I think it is is, I think it is real in terms of star production. What is this line? Is John Moran also a level player still currently not playing like it?

Do we think that's a real trend and then going forward, this is just a new John Morant? Or do you think we'll bounce back? Yes. I think that perennial all-star version of John Morant, because I still do think that he has enough talent, he's good enough at basketball to where he can still make an all-star game. But in terms of at the beginning of the year, you're going to pencil somebody in or maybe the John Moran that can make a second team all NBA. I don't think that that guy

is coming back anytime soon without a major change. And I was asking you the other day, like, who's, who's the worst guy that you would take over over John? And we were talking about it and I was like, you know, Jamal Murray like is that the level of player where we're talking about like the 16th

best point guard in the league? Who is more trade value? John Moran or Aaron Gordon? They're both picking $30 million a year. It's called even. Aaron Gordon, easy. Hands, hands. If you put Eric Gordon on a lot of teams who are on a virgin winning championship or like on that line whether it be okay c you could say uh the nix you could say anybody anybody bro the golden state warriors he adds so much more value value to that team with the defense and his three point shooting which neither john moran is known for currently at

least yeah i'm taking her in gordon all right to the chat would you guys rather have john moran or beef stew john marrott they're talking about beef stew a lot i don't know i mean would you rather have john morant or josh giddy don't even don't even get me going there next name awesome Reeves yeah awesome Reeves yeah awesome Reeves okay that's a good bar that's a good line then because I think Austin Reeves if he makes an all-star team it'll be as a supplementary guy that maybe he can be like a really high level second third option guy but you're not building your team on Austin Reeves and he's a better version than Jha and I don't think we're at the point where we can build our team

around Jha like that doesn't for obviously the reliability factors but even just the production he's giving I just think he's no longer that caliber of score yeah i don't i don't i don't think so so either and it's it's super super weird because he's averaging like 19 a game right now there's there were times and there were years which i was averaging high 25s right like 25 26 27 points per game and that's just not that's not here anymore and it's it's okay because if we've seen obviously we've seen guards athletic guards change their game up we've seen dearon fox who is still in the league and can still get downhill and it's still super fast,

but we've seen his game evolve to where now he takes a lot more jumpers and he's evolved to shooting game to really get out ahead of the loss of athleticism. If by the time his jumper, you know, shows up, if his athleticism is super, super cooked, then it's too late and it might already be too late. I don't really feel like there's any reason to believe that the jumper will show up.

That's a hard part. Yeah, I don't believe it. A couple of years ago, like back in 2023 or 2020, 22 he did for like the first i don't know 15 games he was from like 40 percent from three and since then it's been 34 30 31 percent and now we're up to 14 15 percent these days guys you're right we're in year seven of ja oh shit yeah yeah yeah it's never happening it's never happening okay so if the trend is real and we're buying in that jean moran is no longer a building block type player right in terms of practicality of him as a personality

and the level of play, combining all that he shouldn't be the best player on your team and shouldn't be your franchise. What does it look like then? Because obviously he's still going to be in the NBA. He's still going to be playing for teams and still going to be getting paid. How do you build around him now?

What role does he need to slot into? The Dennis Schroar role. Expensive, better version? No, I'm lying. I think you view him as like a third fiddle type guy. Someone who can like make your superstar's life easier. You're got to be like a big. big, pretty much has got

to be a big day. I think that's how you'd reap probably the most about you out of something like John Moran. He has to be a point guard. He has to be not your primary score. He has to be the point guard that sets things up. And obviously still scores, you know. That's how the game works. But yeah, he has to be like with a Mobley or whatever.

I'm imagining pre-Donovan Mitchell when it was Darius Garland with the two-star bigs and even with line marking before that. That would like Garland was like the engine guy. That's so he scored better than job like imagine that team construction is like the best case in error for him now where you have a power forward small forward type guy that's your primary score and you focus on being a traditional point guard which doesn't exist anymore but you know what I mean like you are more of a playmaking

forward type of player that could still that can still be harness correctly it can be but it's very hard to to get there okay what about if he was like a couple years ago when joel and he was like MVP and maxi was his psychic as like the guy playing off of the bigs and off the dribble handoff like getting downhill passing that type of role would still be pretty good for me. You still be a second best player, I think. Yes, but yeah. But I'm also saying with the MVP, that's pretty tough.

And that's, yeah, that was going to be my point is that they don't just make, you know. And also, big men MVP's that you can play off of. There's two of them in the league right now. Or three, but like. So it sounds like he needs to be a Jamal Murray, Tyrese type of psychic, like to a player that's really good and plays a certain way. And all the other guys, they have their psychics. Like, they have everybody.

So there really isn't a place for him to. to go, I think, I think another interesting thing is like, maybe if you put them, if you put him with like a Franz Wagner type of guy where you are kind of like, your tag team in the playmaking responsibilities. And like, Franz is like, first, obviously, take away Desmond Bain, takeaway Palo, take away Jamal Mosley. And maybe, maybe not Franz, Denny, right? Because Denny can shoot better. He could, he could shoot better than, then. And that's to your point. So I made a good point in the chat. P. the dream says, but the thing is, all those guys can shoot.

Correct. To be a second fiddle, it helps to be able to play off ball and shoot the ball. So if he can't do that at a high clip or even just at a good enough clip, that makes it more difficult. So now he suddenly has to be with other great shooters. And these primary players that be very good off ball too makes it harder. Because now you're mentioning these wings that need the ball in their hands. Maybe I'm thinking more. Maybe he's better with a palo now instead of Franz.

Does he need to go to Utah or something? Send him to Washington, honestly. Like, try to get him alongside Alexar and like cultivate some type of two-man game. He's very much on like, this happened so prematurely, but I view him damn near now as how we viewed Russell Westbrook when he was on the Wizards, bro. Like, can you just get people in seats? Can you make exciting plays on?

We got to move on. You're just conscious and crazy now. That's a turn to run. I don't think you're wrong, but it sounds crazy as fuck. I know. We're comparing him to late stage, Russ. Yeah, premature as hell. Oh, good Lord.

Okay, next trend. Clippers being bad. Do we believe this trend to be real? Kwilander will miss the next few games with an ankle injury. they have one more win in the Pelicans this year. They are very bad. Bradley Bill is hurt now, which removes him from the starting lineup,

which alleviate some issues. But offensively and defensively, they're underperforming. There's reports out there in the air. There's whispers about Tailu's job security. Don't know if that goes anywhere. It probably depends on how the next five games go. But they are currently a bad team. Zubach lost 20 pounds,

and he is much less effective. The defensive identity doesn't seem to be quite as strong as it was last year, and the Bradley Bill offensive fit hasn't been good. I think, I think it is real. I think this is, this is what we expected last year. And James Hardin was like, I'll do just enough. And I can, I can carry us. And now it's, it's harder for James Hardin to do that.

Kauai is missing games. What's new? Bradley Beal. What's new? Right. Like it's, it, if this thing feels old whenever you, whenever you watch them. They feel every bit of, hey, we're starting a 35 year old, a 33 year old, a 34 year old. It feels very sluggish.

And if I were them, I would get out ahead because with everything that they that they are going through right now and things that may be, you know, coming down down the pike later, I'd trade Tyloon and I get some type of compensation. You trade Tyloon? Just like how they did Doug Rivers back then. Yes, I would trade Tyloom because you're about to lose some draft picks in the aspiration stuff. Like that stuff is going to be crazy. This is a big brain thinking here. Let's get ahead of it. Let's get some other people's picks because it would take ours.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they've earned enough goodwill for me that Tailu has just found a way to have good regular seasons for so many years that, like, I'm just inclined to give them time. But I really don't feel encouraged by anything I've seen in any way. You don't have to. Last year, they started the season without Kauai Leonard. Last year, they also started, like, way below 500. The year before that, they were like three and six as well. They found themselves in a situation like this before.

And somehow, some way, they have the greatest four razor of all time in James Harder. And even at this old age, he's still putting up. up like 23 and 9 a game and he's been playing some of his better bas wads of weight i think they are in a spot to where they have a couple of new guys in brooke lopez and also john collins and they're having to figure out ways to utilize them fully and tailu just hasn't gotten the group of that just yet but i think they're going to be perfectly fine i don't buy this trend at all so slowing start is in their game it's in their nature they had a bad record start last year i thought they started off hot no they didn't start off hot last year at all they started off bad thing

got good yeah okay i can't remember exactly i just remember them the highlight obviously being they better than everybody thought i don't know i assumed it was good right away but yeah i'm i'm a little more concerned than like i do just trust him i'm not going to panic yet just because i've learned to not panic about ty lu he's a great coach one of the best in the league but zubash doesn't look particularly good for his standards he said last year losing the weight the lack of strength and being with those body around he looks worse i don't know what to do with that is you going to gain weight in season is that even like how athletes bodies work in practicality it's pretty difficult to do when you cut over the summer

with a clear, like, regiment in place to play this new way. So I don't know if that's going to get better until next year. Brooke Lopez, still old as fuck. The idea was that that'd be nice to spell Zubotch for those 12 to 15 minutes a game and have, like, constant veteran big presence.

I don't think he looks good. I think he looks still super slow. If a three-point shot isn't falling, he just looks like he's lost it. I don't feel good about that big man group at all, and I feel that has to be a strength when your creators are so old and are going to have off nights

because they're old as hell. I don't love what I've seen from Kauai. He's had some good scoring games, but it's not nearly as impactful as it once was. All I'm really going off of is I've seen Tyloo figured out before. Yeah. And it's fair.

If anyone who deserves that type of like, this team is old as hell. Yeah, they were old last year too. I'm looking at the roster right now. 32, Brad B.O. 32, James Harden, 36. Kawhi 34. Chris Paul 40. Chris Dunn is 31.

Damn. Bogies 33. Brooke Lopez is. 37 but tomb is 36 like they got so geysers all that says it stands for reason that at some point is got all collapse and this court could just lose it we've seen that playing times teams that we thought were going to be reliably good for a long time that we had no reason to doubt them eventually shit goes real fast and things change that's in the cards yeah for sure for sure it is i think what's missing now that kawai's not going to be here and the year before that of course

like paul george was in there as well i think offensively they need more even more just than they already have last year. People were like, oh, like, you guys are idiots for letting go. Apoll George and letting him walk. Well, they had Norm Powell, like, walking through those doors and giving them like a cool 20 no matter what. Bradley B. We expected them to come in there and be, do the same exact type of thing that Norm Powell was it, was able to do last year and they're doing this year with their Miami heat. And now they're just like a big gap. That's just weighing on James Chardon's shoulders. And at this old age, it's like, I don't know if you want to necessarily want him to give you 30 every night. They're just like, you.

can't do that. Yeah, and they can't defend. We'd rather be on the court. The minus 15 to their defensive rating when he's on the court isn't necessarily scoring well enough to make up for it like Norm Powell was. It's a bad situation. They probably have to make some moves, figure something else, something kind of drastic. I don't know what it looks like at all. I have no fucking clue. I guess they hope to continue to empower John Collins and hope that he gives him some juice. He has to, he does have to save him because this team also doesn't have control of their draft picks either. Yeah. And there, so there, there isn't a whole bunch of youth that's about to walk into the door or a lot of moves that they have that can that can

revitalize them and it is funny whenever they sign brad bill we're like you know what for five million dollars fine like i don't really hate brad bill i hate brad bill for five million dollars at this point like even if he's on the minimum he's not hoping yeah he looks like he shouldn't be on a roster right now like there was a point where he was good brad bele got trade to the sons fit was bad but he was so good at basketball then the fit was bad the next year and he wasn't quite as good and it's like okay we this guy should be cheap then he gets five mil and it's like okay that's probably a proper recalibration we just keep going down he's just getting worse and now we're just to hit the complete tunnel level value where it's i don't know if any coach in the league

should be want to play him right now yeah it's looking spooky but i'm you can't wait history tells me just go ahead and keep on avoiding these trends and telling me that uh don't pay too much about the too much of the clippers right now they'll they'll figure out a way to bounce someone said he's the 100 best player in the league the 100 best player in the league is better than you think he's better than you think he's probably not even that yeah in the top 100 it's like r j barrett around the 98 or something like that usually yeah r j barrett clears bradley we might be able to 120 i can i was certainly i was going to say 200 i was going to say well i'd be 200 i don't know 150 that that's hard yeah maybe we can get the 150 i don't know i could where's keon ellis is

never sniffed top 100 that's so much rather have keon ellis i can name 150 players better than that's cat name him yeah he's he he's he's falling off completely like there was some years where there was a case to be made that he wasn't being used yada yada we're no longer there yeah oh they says bradbue even a top 25 shooting guard at this point no i doubt it tune in next summer for ranking season yeah don't do that bradley bill won't be there wait seven months to find out his time on our ranking season list is over this last one was what do we do we have about like 30 this past one maybe did we put them on there i don't remember yeah i don't i assume so shooting guard position is light i'd probably

put him at like 26 yeah we put him on the back 10 i'm sure Because there's not a lot of shooting guards in the league, period, because it's a dying position. But yeah, he won't be there next year. Next new story, not new story. Next trend, you guys have been doing this is real or not. Are the Pistons, the second best team in the Eastern Conference? Eight and two, I won six straight games. They're now number one in the east.

Yeah. Are we buying the trend that they are, whatever number you want to assign to it, one of the best teams in the East with a real chance of coming out? Yeah, after the disappointments in the Magic, after the disappoints in the Hawks, too, and all the other teams being them minus the miamii surprising everyone i think they probably stand their chances the third worst case scenario fourth best team in the eastern conferences how they could get as high as number two this team is just a special defense they're definitely there's no which is near four they're at worst case narrow third i think yeah i agree this seems a special defense led by uh offensive genius in kate cunning end we just continues to improve his improve his game inside and

out. Jalen Dern is playing for a fucking bag and he deserves a fucking bag as well. Beef stew is looking like one of the, I don't know, seven best big men defenders in the entire league and then whenever those two play together as well, I'm sure we've all seen the stats the plus minus stats of them

together and how they're just like supreme head, head and shoulders above everyone else. I buy it. Their defense is insane and that's what's going to carry them. I think Jalen Dren's a star. I think he's an all star right now. Yeah, we talked about him in our breakout series, a breakout player the year episode before the season started.

And I was telling you guys, I'm all in on the role players around Cade. I don't feel like Cade is that different from last year. Like, he's still very good also level player. I'm not like he's taking this next jump. He's still okay, which is obviously great. Everything around him, there was reason to believe it would get better and better. And I think we're seeing that. Asar looks good like we always hoped.

We'll see what the shot averages come like midseason. That's always a TBD factor. But all the athleticism of defense, that's always going to be there with Asar, right? No matter how the season starts, we know Asar is going to be really good on defense. it was all the big ceiling razor it was all about is J. Land Duren going to see that next step.

Last year he went from being a I would say bad rep protector to being solid. I think he was learning to harness athleticism a little bit more getting a little bit better at the pick and roll reads and kind of having better understanding

of court mapping on it as a defender. This year I feel like we're really seeing that take another jump and offensively if you are not big and strong you're getting fucking mauled he is going to overwhelm you he's really in all facets of the game

learning how to be a bigger better athlete. I'm with you. I think that they are they are very clearly the third best team in the east and the promising thing for me is one Ron Holland has played really well and he's his shooting is up to I think I think I checked it the other day he's at like 35% on the year you can work with that from from Ron Holland and Tobias has missed games and even whenever he's been out there he's been like super super trash that's going to get better um I think for them if they go out and they make a move and

they either get somebody to fill that jaded ivy spot and be a second creator or they wait for ivory to come back and they just get another shooter because i do think that they really are missing what malik beasley uh gave them and just have have a lot a lot of shooting that uh duncan robinson's been i but it's whatever yeah and i want more than when malik baysley beasley get them i want another creator i don't want k to have to take by far the most shots on this team yeah he shouldn't have to take 45 shots yeah and even outside of that i don't want him to have to average 10 more shot at him is the next best guy. I want him to be able to focus on being the primary creator and not having to force so many in between jumpers. I don't want that for

him. He will be best utilized with another score next to him and I hope they can make that happen. If that's the case and also somebody said they checked the shooting guard episode, none of us had Bill ranked the top 30. Thank God. Thank you. Thank God. Yeah, whoever may look like if they can get a legit great score that becomes available, again, I don't know who that would be, then I'll say this is the best team in the East or like in vying for that. I feel like at least for projecting towards the playoffs, we still need to see that extra piece before I can really make a big climb. I think even projecting towards

the playoffs, I think they can win a series. For sure. They can win a series. Against anybody. Anybody? I think they could win. Damn near, yeah. I think they could win. The type of players that Mowbly and Jared Allen struggles with

some motherfucking Jared Allen. It's motherfucking jail during. I wouldn't allow my hype to get too outrageous with that just because we've seen plenty of regular teams that we know having the one star and iffy shooters that can't create is like it's a hard thing to win with unless you're one star is Jalen Brunson level efficiency scoring.

I don't see that froucade. So I do still want to see another piece before I get too excited for a playoff setting. But as far as regular season goes, you tell me they finish the one seat, I believe you. I mean, I think they can I, okay, I think that's true. I think they can finish with the one seat. I don't think that that's

out of the question. I think that their defense is just that good. And they are that physical and there's so many lineups where they've been and I'm with you I think to get to that next next level obviously they do have to make a move or IV has to come back and be that guy but for the last year and a half even as they've gotten to competency they've still been playing basketball with like one arm tie behind their back because they've been playing so many lineups with so many non-shooters that if they can get one guy or if you can get Tobias back to being what he was last year you're you're good like you are you are cooking and so I really really like what they're doing yeah I I wish I knew who would become available. So, keep saying I want the Pistons to get this two or three score that can, like, leave

be a K'd. I have no idea who that is. Who would even become available? Well, in four to six weeks after the sun season takes, that will be Devin Buckley. Nah, he's not going nowhere. I wish, but he doesn't even want to leave. And he makes disgusting money, too. I don't think there's no way.

I mean for Hero trade, somebody said? Hero would be good. Hero could be the guy, I guess. I don't want to, the hard part is I also want someone that has some size to not ruin their defense. Yeah. Heroes are ruining your defense type of guy to some extent, like, in terms of them being like the number one defense. Yeah, but they're so good

that even if they go from like, Hero's not going to... They're starting Duncan Robinson of the fourth bet defense. You're right, you're right. And here's been parts of good defenses, so it's possible. Yeah.

I think that could be a meaningful. Actually, you're right. They're starting Duncan Robinson. What the fuck ever. Yeah. But also it'd be more minutes that guy instead of that Duncan's getting. Jalen Brown.

Yeah, Jailen Brown would be perfect in that world, but they're obviously not going to trade him. But that's the exact type of guy. A guy who can play defense and can attack one-on-one and be a scoring valve off of Cade. So you can't double off him

because he can shoot and attack a clothes out and create a paint touch. Jalen Brown would be the picture perfect, perfect guy. Yeah, they said, he said Beasley to the Pistons for free. Facts, he might volunteer for the Pistons. For free. They're saying that's Ivy.

I hope it's Ivy. You know, we saw this jump shot for the beginning of last year coming, that that'd be great. If it's Ivy, stupendous. And we already have the guy in-house. It's nice and easy. True.

Beasley is coming back. Y'all just weren't paying attention. Man, do you know if Beasie is going to be behind bars or not? I don't know if you know anything about Beasley at this moment. Everything's in the air still. Harden. Oh, God, no. Levine could be interesting. He's just too expensive. I fucking wish, man. I see, I think I'm off the Levine stuff at this point. I don't think I would want him

over there. If he made, like, then I think I would like it. But yeah, for 47 million, I don't know. At this point, I don't think there's a star wing or two guard available at all. So I'm just hoping that they could maybe not get someone like Malik Beasley back. But hell, just go back on the, go back and be on the juiced up role player wave train and grab some guys who were just like flamethrowers and rockets at the very least bare minimum like who there's any of me like i'm a kill bridges type that's going to be super hard to do but he's he's got five fucking four or five first on picks and not him specifically but do you mean that type of like not star but can score and do some things exactly yeah it's hard to put my finger on someone right now yeah because there's so

many like ranger god i mean that that's that's also very possible he's that's scoring a lot of points right now now there's a yeah i would like that there's a there's a there's a there's a there's a graphic that's going around where it has a it's mcale bridges michapeuter junior and cam johnson and it's like lifetime third option goes to the nets and overperforms and then people turn for him and so it's like there is a little bit of that but also he can get you the shooting will be better than anything that they have right now so i think it would still make sense if michael potter jr was the was the guy he's a he's a good enough rebounder to where that still you know keeps your defense pretty solid.

As we're talking about it, it doesn't seem like it would be like too high cost. I don't hate it. If you want MPJ, you want to replace Tobias, I think, not to replace Ivy.

Which is okay. Yeah, that's a separate thing. That could also be a thing. Like, you could do that. But I want like Ivy and MPJ, if that'd be possible. But I also have no clue

with the MPJ trademark is going to be like, I don't think it's going to be rigorous. Okay. If these guys, if the Sixers just tailed off, right now they've been, I think they've been losing some games.

They are the... Yeah, I'm sure they fell off of that. Yeah, they're the fourth seat or seven seed right now. So, okay, I would love to see, again, Quinn Grimes on there. He would be a solid fit. If not, get a little worse. Someone like Colin Sexton, who's just on the Charlotte Hornets, if they, if lamella ball just goes out with another ankle injury for a majority of the year, what the fuck do the hornets have to lose?

Well, that's the step. That's not a guy where I'm like, then you might as well keep Ivy. You want a small dynamic guard. Malik Beasley or Malik Monk. Yeah, that's another thing. then you might as well keep jen ivy you already have a small dynamic guard yeah but he's a better shooter and i think i would much rather value that or he's a better proven shooter yeah that's that's that's the that's the that's the key word is that even you like keeping ivy is great it's only great

if he works out exactly yeah and what tbd that so that'll be one of the big deciding factors of the power balance in the eastern conference is what jen ivy looks like when he comes back yeah if not they will be active at the deadline yeah corey kisper something needs to get kori kisprit he's good Free him. And, you know, I could, I can totally, I could totally imagine the headline that Corey Kisper goes to the distance. Free Korn. I saw him, he went on Pierre's podcast last week. And I look at the comments, all of them were saying, damn, he's handsome as fuck.

All the comments were saying, he's like, this guy's a model. That's literally the only thing I saw them say about him. That's funny. And I was like, I get it. Okay. Next trend. He was a part of the comments. Next trend.

Do you guys believe that Reed Sheper's. turn in the corner, and he is the guard that the Houston Rockets need? From a scoring perspective, yes. I do believe it. I think that it is very real. And I think that even in that first game of the year, whenever he truly was pissing down his leg, the one thing that was his saving grace was he looked confident. And because he was pulling up from like 27, 28 feet and there were shots, we were like,

yeah, what are you doing? But the fact that he's stepping into these moments and still doing it, that meant a lot. Now that we are here and he's been hooping over the last couple games, it's the same thing. He's still taking threes from Madlong. He's walking into threes in transition. His shot looks very, very confident. I think that the scoring is still here. What him and a man both need to lock in on and what I'm still monitoring as the season goes on,

one of y'all needs to learn how to dribble though, because the turnovers that the rockets are having are insane. And they are just giving up games and giving up possessions and leads. because people don't know how to properly handle the ball. But in terms of just scoring and being a part of the team, I am all, I'm back in on Reed Shepherd. Back in on, on Reach, Trevor. That's a score, yeah. Yeah, he's just such a, like a strengths and weakness of the type of player.

He's so flawed, but so strong in so many areas. He is a legitimately great shooter. That's already a thing. Like, if he's going to just post up, run off of screens, and be a floor spacer, I think it's pretty clear he can do that. And I think it's pretty clear he's a high-activity defender like we knew he would be coming into college, I'm coming out of college. he gets his hands on balls he can get blocked for his size we'll get lots of steals that's

going to be a good part of his game he's also incredibly small yeah he can't get his hand on enough balls to make up for the fact that he will be ran down every time on the court by bigger players he's not the best position of defenders he's just good at getting balls and I don't know what to do with that because obviously that's not the most consistent form of defense yeah but it is something it's still value we witnessed we witnessed that very much pain point in the first game of the year versus so Casey they were just running who whoever offense for a certain amount of time earlier in the year or earlier in the game

it was Shavers. I mean, he was just like one-on-one, it's just so hard to try to cover for read. So, I don't know. But I do buy on him being like a competent shooter, him being at least very much a someone who's disruptive, disruptive defender. Yeah, that's exactly what he is.

But he also isn't a great positional defender because the size, he hasn't gotten good at mitigating that yet. And he's not good at driving right now. He can't blow by anybody. Like, he's not slow, but for some reason he maybe it's like the lack of size can't turn the corner isn't quite fast enough the ball handling isn't quite good enough yeah he can't create inside the room whatsoever really he just runs he's not slow he's not fast he just runs it's not affect the speed so yeah i don't know

he's uh see how the year goes have a player he could really go either way yeah but i i am very very confident and very encouraged from what i've been seen and i do think that what we're seeing from read is real okay next thing we're going to do chat before we in the stream. I asked you guys on a community post to give us your best NBA hot takes pertaining to the early season of what we've seen so far mixed in some other stuff that's more evergreen, some all time tastes you guys have because you guys can't help but tell me who your goat is. We're going to react to all your takes today in the chat. Let us know if it's a W or an L. First off, Wizards Jordan is never brought up in the same conversation as

Nets KG or Celtics Shack because of how high his highs were. He wasn't even bad as a wizard either. Like, you ever's a cool, a smooth 20 ball. that's why no one talks about it the fucking goat man what do you expect he said it again he acknowledged it Jordan he did the goat what exactly huh

AI that wasn't me yeah I'll take obviously he wasn't quite to that level but this was funny that someone he's like he was asked to why don't you slander him yeah I think I put this on here because I don't think people really quite realize just how terrible Celtic Shaq was like people like had this idea of a

wash star in their head we call everybody that becomes wash at some point, Celtic Shack. Like when Russ is on the Lakers, Celtic Shack. When Clay got to the Mavs, Celtic Shack, Celtic Shack couldn't move. Celtic Shack was a shell of himself compared to what he once was. It was truly, truly incapable of being valuable.

We use the term Celtic Shack to like let you know, hey, like this player should not be playing NBA basketball right now. Like you should be, I don't know, you should have started a podcast. You should have gone on to your second part of your career. Like, no basketball. No more podcast. No more podcast.

For Shaq in Boston, he played 20 minutes a night. He averaged 9.2 points per game and 4.8 rebounds. What are we doing? Only 20 minutes a night. If he could have played more minutes, he would have because he's Shaq. That's the part that he couldn't stay on the court for that long. He'd be foul and people can't move like he did it defensively. I'm sure the stamina was an issue.

To be Celtic Shaq, you have to be physically depleted. And that's why he ended up tearing his, his, killies that that really was one of those like old man moments yeah next up josh guinea will make the all-star game this season that's that's not a hot take mad i mean i don't know they slow down the one and four in the last five do you still think he's on trajectory if the bulls are like the eighth seed and he's still putting up like the smooth 20 points from like 39% three point line i could see a world of where that happens i could see it his efficiency is so carried by transition right now it's crazy

I saw somebody post a picture side by side of his transition efficiency versus half court. It's crazy. They better keep running. He better keep taking 16 shots of game up and on the court. And they will. They will keep running. But I do think he can make the All-Sler game. And I don't think that it's crazy to think that he will.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not a bad bad at all, especially with injury replacements always coming in. Like, I doubt there's going to be 15 better players, assuming there's two or three injury replacements. I doubt there be 15 players a better combination of team success in production. Yeah. Josh He did he first time All-Star. What a sentence that's going to be.

win-win tree after we had to give Tyler Hero that stamp last year now is Josh Giddy next I know man every year we gotta get somebody a stamp that they're gonna carry forever it's gonna carry their PR forever

start the relocation next up Jaylon Brunson wins MVP finals MVP and has the most points in a playoff game ever with 64 that's mad specific

but I'm with it do you see that type of all-time great season coming for Jenlon Brunson MVP finalism what the fuck what is young brunsson gonna have to do to win MVP

100 wins 100 wins yeah 100 wins yeah I don't know he he probably have to average like 35 a game yeah 70% from three like someone yeah he has to be the scoring leader just whatever the number is he has to be the score on the year for sure solid 7 and a half assists and they have to be the one seed by a huge margin they have to dominate the east they have to go like 88% more percentage from here on out all right jlin you know the mission go ahead accomplish it yeah statistically do what you got to do man man 36 hell no

Austin Reeves will become the greatest undrafted player of all time who's up there already right now Ben Wallace yeah that's tough

yeah the championship is I guess the best player on the team I guess but obviously it's debatable a champion yeah champion four time DPOI

he has to be like a 10 time all stars something like people are real he doesn't have to be a 10 time all star what other accolades he's gonna like like a seven time

all-star seven's crazy too he's already 27 or something he's not gonna be his seven time all-star then this is out the window the window's already gone he'd have to win a championship with lucca like that he would have to have a ring yeah you need some all-star appearance yeah some three-time

all-star gets a ring maybe gets a couple rings I don't know it makes you better than ben Wallace it'd have to be a team success thing and also he wouldn't be better than ben wallace but you know how people are with scores they're gonna go towards a scoring guy every time if he, he has to win multiple rings up. I think he wins two stamped.

So for y'all, personally, what would it take? For me personally, I think if he wins, if he wins two rings and then if he... I'm not going to give it. I saw your face and I just saw, I just saw Isaac just be like, this is the most nothing discussion that I've never thought of before.

I'm not going to think about what it's going to take for Austin Reeves to be better than Ben Wallace. Like, no, no, like who cares? No, I was going to say this. I was going to say there's nothing he can do. He's not going to be better than Ben Wallace. He's not going to get four DPI's. That's so, so, so, I don't care.

I do care. It's not going to happen. He can't do it. Like, that would be at 27 to get, go from a nothing resume of better than Ben Wallet? Yeah, like, what has he accomplished so far at 27? He got a headband these days. Yeah, he'll probably be like a two-time All-Star.

He better get two or three rings. He better be stamped from two success. If those. let's say that he makes two all-star teams i just want to talk right now he makes he makes two all-star teams those two years okay first team all yeah first team all it yo the NBA yo devon booker was so much jaylon brown this okay yes if austin reeves has multiple years the top five players just two years just two years of two years of the top five player in the NBA just two years He said two years of the top-out player in the NBA?

Yes, he can be the best untrapped the player of all time. Do you know how hard to be? I'm not talking by positions, but two years would be. If he's one of the five best players in the sport for two years. He's better than Anthony Edwards? No. Yes. If he's better than Anthony Edwards for two straight years, yes.

God, no. James Hardin's peak was way better than Steph Curry's and it's not even a question. This guy just must have watched only regular season basketball. And if that's the case, who are you? You still don't got it. I'm sending people to commit crimes to your house. Don't ever say this. Don't ever think this again.

This is stupid. This is dumb. I would allow censorship to get this off of the screen right now. This could never be uttered anywhere else. He said, I'm not pro-fascism. But today, we need to make somebody disappear. Bro, what does he watch? He watched him say this.

He watched, he watched crossover, his ankle breakers. He watched a single, like, highlight, probably like a 20-minute play from James Hardin and thought that. That's crazy. This is a funny one from Will Oates. The Cavs are the only team in the East that would be a playoff team in the West. That's hilarious. Playoff team is crazy. So who's going to be the 8th seed?

Like the Warriors? How many teams in the East are better than the Warriors? Okay. That's disrespectful to the Knicks and the Pistons. Outside of that, you got it. You got it. I don't think any other team could survive. I don't think he's disrespectful with the Pistons.

Look at the Western Conference right now. The best, the eighth seed right now, okay, well, right now is wonky as fuck. Actually, the Phoenix saw until the 8th seed for now. Yeah. But I don't know. Who's gonna, who's gonna move up by this. How betting today? Pistons are better than getting in. Actually, never mind, this is disrespectful because there's a lot of shitters in the West right now.

Because the clippers are terrible and the Mavericks are terrible. So it's probably going to be Portland as the eight seed. Yeah, I think the, I definitely think the pistons can make it, the Nix can make it possibly the most. the Milwaukee Bucks, but that's on the line. So no, you're wrong. Okay. So there's four playout teams out there that would be a playoff team in the East, in the West. Yeah.

So basically, the Eastern Conference would be the playing tournament for the West. They said the Cavs would be higher. The Cavs would be top six and they push somebody else down. I think we might have to start doing that. We have to start doing it the other way. Take the West and make the Western playing, put them

as the bottom, as the last two teams. Yeah, Detroit's definitely better than Portland. Bucks are better than Portland. Will the Hawks be better than Portland have to hold? No, I think their defense is just out. Which is also very funny that you bring that up. Because earlier, whenever we were talking about sublims being traded to the Hawks,

and you're like, we're way too smart. Like, oh, no, let's not break up the five seats. Let's not mess up this glorious plan. I let him have that because they have a Patriot Young, so I think they're showing some restraints, but I was like, whatever. I think our process is a lot better. Five seed or eight.

I guess they're geniuses. Next up. Kauai Leonard is better than D-Wade all time. No debate. Bro, shut up. Stop talking. Please. What?

Did you watch, man? He's not everybody to fuck off today. No L-Takes anymore. It's die. It's violence. No. What is the strongest argument for this? I don't know.

Like, D-Wade's done all the playoffs stuff. The strongest argument for this is, peak kawai leonard hallucinics it's that and it's probably saying like peak kawai might be the like idealized version might be one of the best

like hypothetical players of all time so if you're trying to make that case then sure but again also go go back to this see if it still has one like put one dislike on it's a respectable hot take I guess you say no debate makes it dramatic but as far as your hot take go if you're saying that prime kawai

Leonard, the best version of him, two-way demon, one of the best premiered defenders of all time, and there's some small overlap where he was also a top-tier offensive player. If you want to tell yourself that that could have paid dividends, and if you put him in situations D-Wade was in, and he stayed healthy, and we got the best case scenario for him and the worst case scenario for D-Wade, maybe you could say he's better. Too many moving parts, too many words, too many hypotheticals. Also, you're on drugs. Happy Scarecrow, you are correct.

They are smoking crack in the comment section. This is drug addiction. Maddox West says Zion will be traded to a championship contender and will be a key piece of a dynasty. Okay, this confirmed, you're all right. We have, we have issues. We have community has issues. We have rocks abuser in the comment section. I think they're legitimately smoking crayons, incredibly toxic for your brain.

Well, keep on. What are he saying this? You can trade to a contender, so they're saying a smaller role where Zion's not your best player at all. So he's saying Zion can be harnessed in a smaller role where you don't have to rely on him and he can be the, he can be the Iggy to the Warriors, somebody that takes him over the top. If he gets traded to the Warriors and he takes. over that Kaminga spot, fine. If you get straight to the Spurs

and he's a sidekick to Wembe. I'm like that, like, or what's a different? To Anthony Edwards, if he's Anthony Edwards, if he's Anthony Edwards' sidekick and he's this crazy pick and roll combo, do you see elite sidekick in Zion's future? Zion's future, very short future.

Maybe we were like two years. But he said Dynasty's never going to happen. Can we get a three-peep with Zion being the third option? No. What's the best possible scenario where we could send Zion to be a third option and they can get a three-pe? What's the most likely one?

Okay, C. The spurs are O KC. Those are the two only teams. I don't want to trade Jado for Zion. Yeah, I don't even think, okay. I think we think they have to give him a stretch five. That's the best player in the world. Who covers up everyone's weaknesses and eyesores?

Yeah, the Harper is a superstar. So Zion can be the third best player. Then we can get a dynasty going. Denver? I can keep. Nah, too lazy on defense. Like we're placing Aaron Gordon? Too lazy on.

You can't do that. Let's say you keep Aaron Gordon. So you play him at the three. on at the Ew. Replace Cam Johnson? You can maybe work. Your foot speed

would be so bad on defense. Yeah, and I'm good. Now, I think we have to have third off. We have to trade him for the Aaron Fox and Harper has me ready to be a superstar in year two

and he gets I'll be the third option and catching gloves and just only dunking. He's a fancy Aaron Gordon. He sits in the dunker spot. I think we can get something going. He would be the greatest six men of all time.

The greatest book you get our all time. He honestly should be a six man. Yeah, like not too much in your needs. And I was thinking about this. You're treating my old man Bill Walton where he can't play big minutes anymore. Yeah, because I was thinking about this the other day He can definitely be a six man

And I Again, I need to do just a little bit more research And like shilling out on this theory But I'm sorry to think that he played the wrong sport I really do think he should have been the left type of You think of him No, that's a defensive end He needs to be rushing the past here

Either way, he needs to be on the field He needs to be Julius Peppers Yeah, he needs to head jet Yes, he's swift on his feet I know he has a good spin move I guarantee Yeah, I do think because You the chop, Span, he can do it.

If you, like, you think about basketball, you think about just how much you have to move back and forth and how much strain that puts on somebody who's as explosive as Zion. And maybe because he's having all of these soft tissue issues, like it's not working. But if you want to play to play basis, maybe it can work out. He should be like you said.

And you only ask him to play for 17 games, not going back and forward, just forward. He should be Mario Williams. Maybe to the side here and there. Okay, I can see it. I can see it.

Someone said, what if Zion's in the Lakers to play with Luca after Braun retires. You know what's funny? That's super likely. Rob Polinca loves big names. That's super likely to happen. You see that? And that would just be hilarious.

He could save the Cowboys season. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Like, Zion going to Lakers is incredibly likely, given the track record of this franchise. Probably. Then buying it on him trying to fix him with Luca. Like, that's incredibly likely.

If the Pelicans once again trade their franchise power forward to the Lakers, I'm stepping in and I'm buying personally. Like, not even like me as the league. Donovan Smoot will buy the Pelicans. You can afford them too. I'll take out a couple loans. But we'll get it done. When LeBron comes back from his injury, he will help Luca when MVP and AR are going

a crazy win streak and they'll win 70 plus games to be the best trio ever and win a ring for the Lakers in his final season in the NBA, making history, winning a ring with brawny. Making a winning a ring with Bronny such hilarious ads. Can they be the best trio of all time? Oh, man. I love fanfishing. Maybe. Maybe LeBron was 26.

Yeah, if LeBron was like 26 or hell even 30. 70 plus games? Sure. 70 plus? How many games have they lost already? Four or three. I don't remember. Yeah, they'd have to win, lose like eight games here on out.

They're eight and three. Yeah. So they got to win, only lose nine games here on out. That's tough. 62 and nine on the way. Gab. It's not crazy. I saw somebody tweeted today that because they said that LeBron is going to be practicing

with the South Bay Lakers. Oh, yeah. And they said, look at Bronny getting his dad a job. He's a NEPO parent. Ten scoring titles is the most unbreakable record of all time. I disagree. Who has ten? Is Jordan?

Yeah, probably. Uh, man. That's pretty hard. Ten? Like, what did Katie end up with? Does he have five? Four. Katie only had four.

He had four in a row and then never got one again. Ten is pretty hard. These days, with how hard it is to play a lot of games, how much more is ass of stars, the best scorers can't just be the best scores anymore. defenses are way more key down on best players and they were back then a lot of these games

Jordan would see a basic double team or no date double team at all attack one-on-one you don't get that luxury anymore when he had three games of being an elite score and they started triple team every time he touched the ball

and his brain broke and he couldn't handle it to fucking reconfigure I think right now in the league the only person who has an opportunity to do this through also like durability as well

is probably Shee but even then you had to start really young yeah and Shay's not like you had to start when you're like you're too and you gotta be the been scoring the league immediately.

She has how many scores had one or two? Two. Actually, no, did Embede have any before? Was he injured? He probably just has one, actually. Yeah, I can't remember. So until he's 35, so basically until he retires, he has to win the score.

Yeah, good luck, 36-year-old Shay being the scoring leader. Like, what the fuck? It's not happening. It would have to be like a Luca. Luca average 28 in the second year. That would have had to been the scoring title, and like all five of those all-pro seasons would have had to be a, all-NBA seasons

would have had to be a scoring title. Yeah, he might... okay this might be unbreakable too bad bradley bill got one off on lucas watch yeah that's not happening bradley beles a scoring title he does over step curry he was all my fantasy team that year really yeah this might be the most unbreakable record i think about it yeah players don't play as long the game's harder the game is different this might be very difficult you think one b's out of the conversation over this yeah because he's not a score like yeah he hasn't elevated to be a score like that yeah yeah i don't think that's ever going to be his game the NBA cup is

actually a good thing yes i remember when it first came out i think was it you donovan who was like oh this boos who's trying to sell me some shit i think it's good it's a fun wrinkle yeah i remember like two years ago when it came out we were talking about how like this is a good thing to try to boost a level of a level of entertainment and also just like competitiveness because around november when football's really starting to ramp up or whatever it'd be kind of like not dies but it's it gets a little stale so this is a good wrinkle yeah i think it's undoubtedly a good thing. I don't think they're at their final form execution-wise yet. I don't think the group play is what's going to be at its best. I think it needs to be more of a linear tournament. I think

they need to wait a little bit longer, maybe do it like the first couple weeks of December before Christmas. Maybe Christmas can be the finals. You know, maybe we can reinvent NBA on Christmas potentially. But I think it needs to be, it needs to be a single elimination tournament. I think the format needs to change. But in general, any season tournament, I think is great for the game. Yeah, it's, the group plays really hard because everybody would have already played each other anyways right so like it doesn't it doesn't feel like the the most special thing that that is about these these games is the court which is i will give them which is cool yeah i'll give them credit for that because everything that timbul was green is cool no i think it's cool because it's just like

it's just overly different yeah i think it's novel and i think novelty is cool when you use for individual things like this that are different from the main product only way i see the group play working is that they make it divisions if every year your group is your division And we kind of like try to purposely reinvigorate divisions mattering. I'll call Adam. Year by year, different group pools is never going to be a thing. That's going to be interesting. Making divisions matter is a good wrinkle.

Yeah. But it is unique. Overall, it's good. I do want to see more linear tournament though. But, you know, they also probably agree. It's a difficult thing to figure out in the schedule of the season. But I think they can do it. I trust you, Adam Silver.

Do better. GMs get too much credit for the draft. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Wembeer LeBron should go number one overall. and for the late-run draft steals, that was pure luck. Pure luck, you're dumb. Because if they knew they had potential to be Hall of Famers,

they wouldn't have gone that low. So obviously they didn't know Yoko's the Hall of Famer. They're lucky that he was. This is a terrible take. Too much credit. Do you know how many GMs like get picks wrong, bread?

Do you know the luck in the history of the number one overall pick? It's not like such a shoe in all the time. Hell, not even number one, number three, four, and five and all that. Like, it's not luck at all. Yeah, if you saw the draft board for the Charlotte Hornets

under Michael Jordan extended, you would not feel this way. Shit, the draft were for the Charlotte Hornets in general, right? Like, if you think about it, they've had the Jordan, not the Jordan thing, the Kobe thing, where they went ahead and traded him. They traded away SGA and then on a smaller scale, too. They had Jalen Durner initially. They traded him away. Like, they have so many whiffs.

They have a history of whiffs. I would say G. I probably don't get an upgrade for the draft. I think it's a huge skill gap. And I get why you would say this for the examples you gave. There's a whole lot of draft picks in between. one in 55 that matter and take a skill gap at different levels. Look at what Sam Presti is done.

The fact that every draft he gets isn't always a hit, but there's a lot more hits than most people, and that's allowed him to build out this deep-ass team. I think the NBA draft is single-handedly, like the most important tool that any team could use. Yeah, honestly, we probably under-talk about the value of the NBA drafts, if anything. Yeah.

The Pistons are the scariest team in the East. Kate is the second-best player in the Eastern Conference. All right, let's slow down. Slow, whoa. Second best? Less and offload. Scariest team of East. eat up let's do you think about this verb just carefully

scariest team is Jared Allen scary no no no is cat scary no is beef stew and Jalen Dern punching you in the nose scary yes they are the scariest team in the league in the east hi but by that logic you make some sense they're scarier than the Knicks the Knicks have Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson patty kicking they're not scary

batty kicking they're just best buds it's just a vibe it's not scary we are a vibe Kay's taking 45 shots while he has goons behind him at crowbars. That is scary. And they're huge. Yeah. And then you got just like guys lose their mind on every possession and will play basketball.

It's like it's their last breath of air and Ron Holland. Shoot, Ron Holland will die about it. Ron Holland will do anything necessary. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Dude, Ron Holland is such a serious like he plays with all of his heart every single night. Last year he almost gone to fight. He was talking crying, bro. He was that serious about it, right?

Like he will die about this basketball shit. Donald is ready to go Dude, he will die about this shit Yeah, they're scary The scariest team least I think if Yon is had a co-star Maybe it'd be the bucks In terms of being scary

But the pistons are intimidating They're not going to be fun to play against the playoffs I saw Ron stab Jordan Clarks He said Donovan can start for the Pelicans this year I could I could Let's think about their two guard down

I've been waiting for my chance It's you and Jose Alvarado Oh Jose Arvado is putting you under the basket that's a battle i don't know he's not putting you on the basket he's posting you up he's killing you that's actually that's actually the one area yeah yeah i'm staying solid yeah i'm staying solid bro do you know his dead list numbers do you know what he does i'm good on the on the perimeter crossed up that's fair that's fair your speed good good good good i named the one player that's a comparable size in the league right there right there right there

This year's MVP race is going to strictly be between Shea and Luca. I mean, what about Wemby? Well, Webby slowed down a little bit. He needs to... We're 10 games into the year. I just mean in terms of people saying he's an MVP lock, like the same way we know Shay can be and Luca can be. We've seen them be at the top of the ballot every time.

So I understand why they're not assuming Wemby's still going to be there. I think he probably will get back. But, you know. If this is going to be like a one, two, three seed, Wemby and the Spurs being three seed, I think Wembe is for surely going to be in that. But do we think he's going to say there? Wemby? The Spurs.

The Spurs, they probably could. Okay. They could, yeah. You're right. If he is the three seed and those other teams are right by them, then yeah,

Wembe will certainly be in the conversation. Yeah. But I think, I do think Yonis is the MVP so far the season, but if you want to tell me that the Bucks can't maintain a record that's good enough for him to really get votes over,

then I guess I can understand Yonis not being in it. Yeah. Because that's what it comes down to. This time of year, there's always people that are in the conversation because they're putting up crazy numbers in a 10-game sample,

but at the day, the season comes to an end and you have to be within striking distance record-wise of the other guys. Yeah, and that's true, but I still think, I still think Janice, like, Yonis should be up to, because the numbers he's,

I feel the most confident about the number that he's putting up compared to some of the other guys. And so it's going to be there, and so he is going to be on the ballot for a lot of people. So I would put him in that combo. Okay. Yeah, they would have to be really bad for him not to be in the conversation.

And they're not going to be worse than 500, I think. That's not possible at all. They're going to be a 47 to 48 win team probably yeah i agree if the least season ended today or hell whatever happens once like may comes around and shit i think yonis would be the definition of an MVP in regardless of what the numbers shake out to be wins loss he will be like this year's most valuable where same thing when it comes to how i feel about um justin herber and shit i view them as like the same type of guys in the same similar situation obviously yonis is like not a great stratosphere but it's like yo like

if you're if you weren't playing to this degree your team is yeah he's not as good at what he does as Herbert is the way he does, but it's an understandable parallel. I just think what if Shea has 68 wins again and like The league's going to be tired of them. They won't do it. They wouldn't do it. They won't do it. I don't think they would do it. It might just be the same thing as last year where it's like, how is it not, how is it not Shea?

They're going to be tired of Shay. I think the voters are going to be tired of Shea. You can't be tired of 68 wins when your co-stars are hurt. You really can't. You can't. That's immune to voter fatigue. Are you sure about that? Yes. If they were 68 games with Jada hurt for a lot of the year and then rolling out this bullshit offensive lineups, you can't. Voter fatigue will be

Nothing. Yeah. 68. Kendrick Perkins. They down you right now. Kendri Perkins is an argument to be the number one player in the NBA right now. Go ahead. Do it.

I think, yeah. But the way that he's been playing, it is crazy. In the backpacking that he's been doing, it seems like every single night, we've seen Janus do something that he's even never done before or he's putting up these crazy, you know, 38, 13 and 7. And I'm okay with it. I'm okay with the argument that he's the best play in the world

It's never been crazy to think that But like best player in the world Is such a like soft title That isn't really concrete and like provable It's kind of like a vibes thing Like you have the crown right now And like someone like Yokic isn't gonna lose that crown Until he loses it

You know like he had Yonis has to snatch it And like have some big playoff moment Before people are really gonna give him that credit Yeah like he has to back back this team To the at least bare minimum Eastern Conference finals And go out in seven games Yeah If not that you gotta be in the finals

Because Yokin's kind of at that point now where, like, when LeBron had that title for so long, and others were winning MVP, but we still knew LeBron is LeBron. We want him in a playoff series. That's kind of the feeling on Yokic, where he kind of just gets the title because he's earned it. Unless Yonis is going to, like, make some crazy 2018 type of finals run. Yeah. I don't know how people aren't going to acknowledge Yok is the best. Yeah. But this is not crazy at all.

You can be Army. Good hot take. Yeah, number two being number one isn't crazy at all. And that is the last one. That is our final hot take. And with that being said, that is the end of the stream. appreciate all you all coming through if you're still here comment we're dancing on nico harrison's grave the devil is dead the devil is dead and we killed him it's over y'all

we got nico out of here this is a good day for NBA fans justice has been served to some regard appreciate y'all coming through we'll see y'all on friday for this week's episode