The Delta Flyers - A Man Alone

Episode Date: December 18, 2023

The Delta Flyers is a weekly podcast hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode is A Man Alone.A Man Alone: Ibudan, a criminal Odo has dealt with before, returns to DS9 only to be murdered shortly after - leaving Odo to be the prime suspect.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Janet K Harlow, Brian Barrow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Vikki Williams, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Matt Norris, & Izzy JafferOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Chris Knapp, Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Mary Jac Greer, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Tom Paynter, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Holly Schmitt, Christopher Arzeberger, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Ian Ramsey, Steven Lugo, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, Mars DeVore, Stephanie Lee, & David SmithAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Meredith Hudes-Lowder, Trip Lives, Ann Marie Segal, Samantha Weddle, Chloe E, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Species 2571, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Samantha Hunter, Jamason Isenburg, Ashley Stokey, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Jennifer Jelf, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Marc McCallum, Ryan Benoit, John Richardson, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, David J Manske, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Ryan Tomei-Siguroarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Shane Pike, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Akash Patel, Linda Daireaux, Jennifer Vaughn, Cameron Wilkins, Ken McCleskey, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Lisa Hill, Stacy Davis, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Pamela Miller, & Rik MoranThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to yet another episode of the Delta Flyers as we journey through the wormhole with Tom, Harry, Dax, and Quark. Your co-hosts along this journey are your favorite helmsman, Robbie McNeil, your favorite Forever Ensign, Garrett Wong, and of course your favorite science officer, Terry Farrell. Welcome, Terry. Yay. Thank you. Terry. It's starting to feel normal. This is for you, Terry.

I'm giving you some yoga prayer hands. Yes. I'm feeling really good right now. I just got to say, because right before we started this, I opened a bunch of boxes from Amazon. Oh, boy. With new dishes. We have new serving dishes, new prep dishes, new.

It's so exciting because I've gotten into cooking this year. I've got all my kids coming at Christmas with their partners and my granddaughter and my sister and my nephew I'll be ready to cook now. How many kids do you have? Three children. I have three human children just like my character had three lizard babies in our show.

Yes, you'll have to watch that episode so you know. I do. I have to catch up to Voyager. Tell Terry how old your kids are now because they're no longer kids. my kids are old you started before I did I was way too young to be a father

but I have a 33 year old daughter daughter Taylor I have a 29 year old son Kyle 25 almost 26 year old son Carter and all their partners and a granddaughter named Sky my son Kyle

How old is Sky? Sky's a year 18 months 22 months actually It's such a squishy age She's great What does she call you? She calls me Babu That's my

That's my grandpa nickname Self chosen though Right? I wanted a cool He didn't want to be gramps Yeah he didn't want that I'm Babu I called my grandpa

Bampa I couldn't say grandpa So he became Bampa And we called him Bampa all our lives we never. That's awesome. Yeah. That's so cool.

Were you the oldest grandchild? Were you the first grandchild? So you get to pick. That's the thing. You get to pick. I know. But nobody else got a cool nickname. He's the only one. I like bumpa.

I could figure out grandma. How do you figure out grandma, but you can't figure out grandpa? Oh, no. I don't know. He got lucky. Your grandpa got lucky with Bumpa. That's a good name. Yeah.

And it wasn't prompted. My aunt's a Mimi. I think that sounds cool for a grandma. Me? Yeah. Sounds like it's mine. He's next used to call me my. My.

It went from Mama, Mama, Mama to my. My. My. And then it was Mommy and I was like, no, no, I'm not a mommy. I'm a mama. I'm a my. I'm a my. My.

Awesome. Well, Robbie, it's that time for us to say, happy birthday to some of our Patreon patrons out there. They're having birthdays. So are you ready for this, Terry? The birthday time. birthday, celebrating that you're here and making the world a better place for us. Yay. There you go. There you go. All right. So we have two birthdays. We have one to Lisa Hill. Happy birthday, Lisa Hill, December 14th, which is the same birthday as Megan and one day before my

birthday. And next up, we want to say happy birthday to Mark McCallum, December 22nd. Happy birthday, Mark. So two Sagittarians to say happy birthday, too. Happy birthday. All right. We're back. And let's just jump right into it, Robbie, with our poetry synopsis of this episode, A Man Alone. I will start with my haiku and you're going to follow me with your limerick. Starting with my haiku for a man alone. Ibudan murdered. Odo is the main suspect. Bashir for the win. I love Bashir for the win. Thank you. I'm team Bashir. until I'm not, but for now, I don't think you'll need to be. You're on this bandwagon forever. You're never not going to be a team Bashir person. All right, let's hear that limerick. Here we go.

My limerick for a man alone. There's a bad Bajoran on board named Ibudan that Odo thinks really should be gone. He gets stabbed in Odo's framed, but a clone killer is named. and the murder charge is quickly withdrawn. Nice. That's a good one. Wow. Yeah, rhyming something with Ibudan, that was not easy.

I know. There's not. Cinema? I don't know. Yes, exactly. Cardamon. My brain hurts. Yeah, it does hurt.

Teleplay by Michael Pillar, which this is kind of a, like, film noirish kind of murder mystery, right? Michael wrote a couple of those on our show. and I know he's a big fan of that genre. So it's always fun. I love Michael Pillar's writing. I love Michael Pillar. And this is right up his fan alley. Like he's a fan of old detective movies and film noir.

So Michael Pillar screenplay, story by Gerald Sanford and Michael Pillar, directed by Paul Lynch. Paul Lynch gave me my sag card. I got in the union as a guest star on The Twilight Zone in 1984. 85 something like that got my sad card with paul lynch as the director so going back to this michael pillar loving film noir did he write ex post facto on voyager the one where you were convicted of murder i think so i think so or not convicted accused of murder accused of murder similar similar similar yes just want to say yes i think we both did the same yes i did a twilight zone then too a remake of one.

Did you do one about, mine was about, we weren't in the same one. Oh, I thought you were saying you were the same one. I was like, oh my gosh. Okay. No, I were to remember it. What was yours about? I was a mannequin that came to life. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, it was. And then I got to be out in the world for a day. The only problem was I didn't remember I was a mannequin. So you get back to the mall and you don't know why you're there. And then I can't think of the world. woman's name. It's escaping me right now. I can't believe it. Of course, now when we're recording, I can't remember her name. But it was a remake of one from. From the original series? Yeah, from the original series. Oh, cool. But it was in 80s. That's so crazy that we did. Yeah, it was 83, 84. I don't

remember. I think I was 85. But yeah, so crazy. Yeah. We have that in common. Look at the parallels. Look at the parallels. We're parallel. I love it. I love it. Let's jump right into this. Okay. Very first scene, we're in the holosuite. And by the way, I love how you guys call it a hollow suite and the difference on Voyager. We say Holodeck, right? So we don't ever say holosuite ever on our show, but I like holosuite. We're in the opening scene. We find Dak sitting, eyes closed, and a meditative posture in front of some kind of translucent floating sphere. And what I find interesting is that you chose to have your hands down as opposed to sort of a hands-up kind of a mantra type of thing.

Can I tell you? Energy down, keeping my energy in. Oh, yeah. Right? So all of this focus, I don't have any extra energy to give out. Yeah. And, you know, that's what you do. If you're feeling, you know, scattered and you're trying to get centered and you want to

get grounded, you put your hands down when you're meditating. It's only when you have extra energy to give out, extra love, that you keep the that you keep them open up. I shouldn't say only. It's just, that's how I was taught. Yeah. Okay. But that posture, that blocking, was that yours?

Or the director was like, I want you to sit here and do all this? I mean, did you sort of have some say in that? Yeah, because not many people can sit like I'm sitting in that. But it hurts my ankles more to do criss cross. And I thought, if I am crisscross applesau for the day, my ankles, I'm not going to be able to concentrate on the scene. Got it. But I'm ridiculously flexible. and I always have been.

So putting my feet together like that and leaving my legs open is... That was comfortable. Effortless. Yes. For you, it's effortless. For other human beings, impossible. For me.

Right. Two minutes of that, I'd be done. All right. So we see, we see Dax sitting there and all of a sudden, Flirty Bashir walks in. And Dax already knows it's him by his walk. And he wonders what she's doing.

Dax says it's an Altonian brain teaser. a puzzle. It responds to neural theta waves. The goal is to try to make the sphere a solid color. So she says, why don't you give it a try? Julian tries and fails miserably. He also fails to get his dinner date with Dax. And they are interrupted by Cisco, who comes into fetch Dax. And there's a very jealous Julian watching as you two leave. All right, you want to talk about that scene at all? Any memories of that? I have a question. You put your hands like near his head or something. And he says, oh, your hands are cold. Oh, that.

And you say, it's a peculiarity of the trill. Is that something like, was that ever addressed again? Or is that just like something they put? They never talked about that again. Wow. No. No. In fact, I didn't remember at all.

It felt like my hands were cold because, well, and SIDS probably were too. We were both smokers at the time. Oh, yeah. There you go. They're not cold anymore. I mean, I don't have that problem anymore. But I wonder if they had lived. leaned into that, that would have been an interesting detail about trills, that they were really

cold, that you could, you know, you could be comfortable in super cold environments in ways that other people couldn't or something. Oh, that would have been cool. It is interesting how there are things like that for all of us that it's sort of like, oh, that was a thread they could have pulled. They could have done something with it. Yeah, it would have been interesting. Why do you start the conversation when you've got nothing else to say?

Yeah, exactly. so do you have any comments about this particular scene um i don't remember anything uh i don't think i remember anything remarkable about it now you are kind of like me terry when we started our podcast on voyager garr it was like oh do you remember this do you remember that i'm like nope i don't remember anything i didn't even remember this episode and but stuff starts coming back as you As you piece all these together, you're going to start connecting dots. I'm really excited to see that happen for you because it did happen for me. A lot of things came back that I was like, oh, my God, I didn't remember those details.

Oh, my gosh. Yay. All right. What's next? Moving on. We're in Quark's bar. Business is good because of the new wormhole location. Quark and Odo are chatting.

They see O'Brien and Keiko in the upper level. They're arguing at a table. And Quark says that she doesn't like it here. It seems like Quark is in on the pulse of the entire station. He knows all the gossip. We learned that Odo chooses not to be in a relationship. Too many compromises, is what he says. He has a long speech about this.

They do. And I'm not trying to get into the long speech, but you can get into it, Robbie, if you'd like. Well, he gets into a long speech about all his complaints about being in a relationship. And I wrote a note, old school stereotypical male POV, all male writing staff, question mark. Because it felt like a lot of men sitting around a writing staff room going, oh, yeah, and you know what my wife did. It just felt like, it felt like old school TV to me personally. Right. And early 90s thinking, too.

Yes, early 90s thinking. But anyway, Odo does not, he does not want to be in a, in a relationship clearly. And you know what that told me? He was in a relationship that heard. And that's exactly what happened. And he got burned, yeah. Yeah, but here's the problem. Why didn't he say something?

That's the problem, all of us people pleasers. You have to just go, you know what? This is not my cup of tea. Right, and I just really want to watch baseball tonight. That's what's happening, and I just, I need it. Yeah. I need it. It's my comfort zone.

There you go. There you go. I don't need some therapy. I think Odo needs to go to some psychotherapy. Nature. They see Cisco and Dax enter. And Odo thinks Cisco is interested in Dax. Cork corrects him.

Odo does see a Bajoran gambling at a table, which to me, that table kind of looks like a craps table in a way. It looks like they were rolling dice or something. But that catches his attention. He's seeing this Bajoran because there is some recognition there. We don't know what yet. Then we cut over to Cisco and Dax sitting in a table. Dax orders steamed asna.

I'm not sure if this is a vegetable or if this is a, I don't know, what it is, but it's something that Dax clearly loves and Curzon loved it too. I mean, this is something that's been in the diet of Dax for a long, long time. They talk about their evolving relationship. They also watch Keko storm off. Meanwhile, downstairs, Odo confronts the Bajoran. He doesn't want him on the station. They struggle. Fight is broken up by Cisco. Odo gives the Bajoran 26 hours to leave the station, which I thought was funny. It's sort of like Usually, like, you're done. It's an odd number.

Yeah, it's like, you got 10 minutes to get out of here. But he goes, you've got 26 hours to leave here. 26 hours? Like, that's a long. What a weird. It's a weird number. Am I right? Yeah.

Because it's not even 24 hours in a day. It's 26 hours. You have one day and two hours to leave. It's like, huh? That'd be like to us saying, okay, the podcast starts at 411. Yeah. We will upload the episode at 411. It's like, why?

Why 411, yeah. Why 411? But I want to say, I do remember that scene with Cisco. I love that scene. Right? Because that was like the first time I ever saw him be so animated when he does the whole thing about. Frickusade and fried and he's really, yeah, he's into it. Yeah, he's like doing his scatting.

The Cisco scatman comes out. Oh, I really see you there. And I was relaxed in the scene. Doing the scene with him, I was really relaxed. Yes. Because you've seen him do that before as Curzon, right? I felt, right? You were kind of...

No, I just feel like watching me as an actress. I looked to relax. Oh, you are. I also thought that I was having fun with him in the scene. And I think that's why I remember it because it was a good memory. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. He seemed to relax.

The chemistry between the two of you was really strong. It was very relaxed, comfortable. The relationship... But we knew each other. And we didn't. But it looked like we did. Yes. That's crazy.

Yay, job well done. Yes. Very, very well done. Next, we are... I just want to say about in quarks, the 26 hours to get off this station. Odo, like, he's triggered when he walks over there, storms over there and kicks that guy out. He is so angry.

Clearly, there's some baggage there. And again, I'll say, I think Odo needs some psychotherapy. You would help him? And whatever's going on. And I know that Renee, practice. yoga every day, but he needed a power session. He did before this scene. What?

I didn't know that. Renee practiced yoga every day? Yeah, every day. Wow. Good for him. Isn't that cool? He and his wife, yeah. But yeah, he was, and it's, he seemed super unprofessional.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Uber. Like, whoa. Right. But as a viewer, I thought he was going to hurt that guy. As a viewer, as any fan watching has no context of what the heck is going on at this

point. No. No. At this point, we're like, there's clearly some history here, but Odo's, you know. Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. Why is he losing? I don't know. I still don't know. All right. So we pick up in the Promenade on the upper level and O'Brien has caught up with Keiko and he says, listen, I'll put in for transfer if this is going to make you happy. And she doesn't want him to do that because he'll lose his promotion. And the issue, the issue is that as a botanist, Keiko has nothing to do on this station. So he suggests, Listen, you can go on missions to the gamma quadrant through the wormhole, this newly discovered wormhole, and you can go back there and collect specimens in the gamma quadrant, bring them back, maybe create an arboretum here. There's some certain things that you could do to really, you know, use your botanist skills. Before this conversation is done, Kira Hales-O'Brien regarding a broken power grid, and he's gone.

And once again, showing that he has something where he feels useful and she is standing there with no purpose. Yeah. It's good observation. Okay. We're now on the promenade lower level. We catch Jake introducing himself to Nog, who is a bit standoffish to begin with. But it warms up fairly quickly, even though he's eating something cold. It does warm up fairly quickly. I wanted to eat what he was eating. What was that? A space bomb pop or something. Yeah. Space bomb pop. Exactly. What I love is the transition between this scene and the next scene. When he finally gives up his name, he's like, he's like, my name is gnaug like that. And then you cut to Odo in the next scene saying, his name is Ibodon. So it was a really cool little. Yeah.

Yeah. And we're in Cisco's office now with this cool transition. And Odo is basically debriefing Cisco regarding this Bajoran individual. Ibadan was an unethical purveyor of black market goods. That's the best way to describe him. And unethical in regards to Odo actually knew or saw him not provide medical supplies. Medicine, yeah. Medicine to a family to her daughter because they couldn't pay for it.

And that off their kid died because of it. So he felt that was pretty bad. And then he also tells Cisco that this Ibadan ended up killing a Cardassian officer who wanted a payoff to look the other way. So clearly the Cardassian officer caught him selling these black market goods. And he says, okay, I'll let you go. But you got to pay me this. Eubedon lost his temper, killed him. And he was put in jail for this murder by Odo.

So now we know the connection. Odo was the one who put him in jail for the murder. But he was released by the dadgum provisional government. Provisional government is like, eh, you know what? He killed a Cardassian. Big deal, I guess. We'll let him go. Yeah, the Bajorans don't care.

They look the other way. Right. Well, now you deserve a medal of honor. Right. Yeah, climb against the Cardassian is okay for the pejorans now, yeah. Yeah, but Odo does say that he will force Iwodon to leave the station, but Cisco kind of lays down the law forbidding Odo from taking this law into his own hands. He says, look, he's done nothing at this point.

I love the fact that he became so stern, though. You know, he really, you know, as much as we talk about him having this weight release from his shoulder, Cisco, but here he's still the commander of the station. He's like, look, you just can't go out. there become a vigilante you've got to go you have to work within the parameters of the law that's it right so no and he was serious he wasn't like being yeah pussy footing around it was like i don't give a shit what your ego's going through he definitely like there was no i mean he definitely stepped on the wrong toes in cisco's office so i wrote down comically i said odo just got

ciscoed so that's my verb ciscoed when cisco when cisco when cisco actually dresses you down and lays down you've been Ciscoed. Oh, totally. Yeah. Like pharyngeed. Yeah. They've been fringed. You've been syskowed.

Well, that had to sting. Mm-hmm. You know that had to sting. Yeah. All right. Any other comments on this scene? Or can we move on? Well, what I did kind of love was that we're seeing two immature boys.

Yeah, the power struggle. Right. I'm the boss. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. No, I'm not. What you're going to say.

And I'm gnaug, and he, his name is, blah, blah, blah. And it was more like Odo has let his, what triggered him is this immature need to go out and fix it beyond the rule. So he's acting on his feelings, right? But it's kind of cool to go from these two little boys to write a direct closeup of Odo being a nasty boy about it. I don't even make that connection, but yeah, you're right. The two young, physically aged young boys to the gentleman, the two men that are acting kind of like boys in a way, too. Yeah.

Well, no, only one of them was. Okay. One of them acting like a boy. Right. Disco is being an adult. Odo is being the boy. Okay. Yes.

Very immature. All right. We now jump to a hollow suite where it's a relaxing spa environment where an alien with interesting web tans is massaging Ibadan. Okay. But wait a minute. I'm also kissing Ibo Don, what? Did you not think for a second?

I wonder if that would feel good. Oh. With the web on there? I don't know. Not the kissing, but the. But the webbed hands, yes. Okay. I was watching the actress doing it that had the makeup on her hand, the prosthetics on her hands.

Yeah. And she was hardly pushing on him. I was like. Yeah. Because she didn't want to mess up the makeup job on the hand. Yes. Okay. But if they were real hands like that.

Yes. It could be kind of amazing. I think it would be amazing. kind of massage. Yes. It could really get into the nooks and crannies of all the knots from stress. Yes, I agree. Okay, back to our story.

Back to our show, yes. A gloved hand enters a frame and pushes the masseuse away, the alien masseuse. And then we see a knife being plunged into Ibadan's back. Dun, the who-done it begins right here. So bad. Yeah. Yeah, it was very cool. I like the opening shot of kind of through the curtain that was blowing the wind.

Yeah. Pushing past. That was definitely teamwork to make a shot like that. You've got, you know, props people on the curtain. You've got special effects. And the black rubber glove. The black rubber glove. That was really scary.

It was like you, okay. Game over. I kind of wanted her to run out of the room, though. Right. Instead of sort of cowering like she did, she should have. Yeah, but is she a hologramed? She is. I think she would be.

Oh, then she wouldn't be aware, would she? I don't know how that works. aren't holograms also aware of the situation happening? Are they like eight? I think they would role play the reality of that situation. So you're right. She would have that hologram would have roleplayed terror in that moment. That would have been good.

Yeah. Yeah. It would have been nice. I was playing with his teddy bear during that scene. He was. All right. Back on the promenade, we find Jake and Nog up to something. Nog has a small container that he opens slightly to reveal what looks

like tiny gnats, but in reality, they're Garanian bollites, and they head off. But all throughout this episode, the camera work is amazing because as they head off, the camera then picks up Bashir, who sees Dax walking pass, and he catches up with her to inform her that he knows that Cisco is his competition in his attempt to date her, to woo her. She sets him straight and explains how Trills try to rise above all this romantic temptation. And, you know, I don't think, I don't think Bashir can take no as an answer. I think Bashir sees even 0.01% possibility being a possibility. He'll take anything at this point, really. Cisco's hails interrupts them, and he is needed in Hollow Sweet 4. As Bashir crosses out of frame, the camera then picks up Jake, hiding behind

a screen, and we see that he is watching Nog, releasing these bow lights on the ground near a Bajoran couple sitting at a table having a meal. The couple then start itching. like crazy. They get up and they're scratching. Their skin turns different colors. It reminded me of Charlie in the chocolate factory. Yes, it was like really warm. Yeah. So cute. Yeah, most definitely. The blueberry girl. Yeah, the blueberry girl. Exactly. And all the meanwhile, Jake and Nog are are looking on in laughter. Now, this is something I noticed when I was watching it for the first time. And then when I was watching it again today, the female Bajoran, did you, either of you two notice anything about the female Bajoran that was itching?

No. No. All right. I saw it immediately. And this is what's crazy. Megan saw it today. As we're watching, she's like, that actress looks like Jerry Seinfeld. She is identical. It is absolutely insane, guys. If you watch it again, you'll be like, oh my God, this has to be Jerry Seinfeld's sister or cousin in real life. There's not everything about that face. It's Seinfeld. It is, oh my gosh. It's unbelievable. They were very comedic, those two. They were very comedic in their style. They were. And then do you remember the camera cut over to another couple coming down the stairs? Watching them. Yeah. Yeah, that stopped. They stopped and they were just kind of judgy and like staring at them.

Yeah. It was, I don't know. It was so odd that couple cutting them forth between the couple. And like, why are they being so judgy? And should they call a doctor? Right. Wouldn't they come help their fellow major? Yeah.

It was really weird. It was weird. Well, especially too, if these things. are like normal. Wouldn't you go, oh, gosh. Oh, they've got the, yeah, they've got the, the gnats, those things. The space nats. The space, the space, they got anything I can't pronounce, I'm going to put space in front

of it. Yeah, exactly. They have Willy Wonka disease. We get it. Okay. So, well, the Bajoran security officer appears and grabs the boys and takes them away. And we cut over on Keko watching as the boys are taken away. And the Bajoran, oh, I wrote this down,

and the Bajoran woman looks exactly like Seinfeld. It's when I wrote down to my hand to them. So anyway, so yeah, so they're being taken away. Keiko watches them being taken away. And now she's, the wheels are turning because now she's thinking, all right, this juvenile delinquent behavior, they need some structure. They need structure in their lives. Next up, we have Hollow Suite 4.

We have Cisco. We have Odo. We have Cura and Bashir. They're examining Ubidon's lifeless body, trying to make sense of this crime. And they are actually. actually, they have no leads whatsoever because the door has opened twice, once, which would have let Ibadan in. And the second time it opened, the killer left. So how, was the killer

already in there? And did the killer follow Ibadan in the beginning? So there's all these questions. They have no clue what's going on. I have a fundamental question. Yes. Okay. About holodex, hollow suites, the future. Yeah. Okay. I have nest cameras all. around my house yeah wouldn't you think in a holodeck suite that there would be some sort of like recording device go back to the yes let's go back to the they were too busy thinking about flip phones yeah they were trying to invent flip phones back in 93 they didn't think about nanny cams back then but you would think that odo he's trying to piece all this together why don't you just pull up the video it's a holodeck like well okay but wait a minute we wouldn't have to be it had to be

like recording him. No, we wouldn't have a story. You're right. Never mind. No. And then then I would say in the writer's room, he had his Do Not Disturb on. Oh, smart. You can hit a Do Not Disturb and no recording happens of what you're doing in there.

I guess it's kind of like, yeah, do not disturb would be like what is on like Google Chrome or the web browsers. You can go to called. Yeah, you can go to like where. I don't know. Let us know later. I know. I've lost my, I was going to be, I was going to make a genius connection to, but privacy mode or whatever, you know, you can go to like that.

So, yeah, if he came into the holodeck and hit privacy mode, because I'm going to have this sexy time with the masseuse or whatever, with the things. Going to funky town. Going to funky town with the web finger lady. Yeah, you don't know her talents what she can do with those web fingers. Uh-oh, uh-oh. Odo should have said, oh, he went to privacy mode. My brain went there.

Yeah. I did. I'm embarrassed. It's so dirty in there. Oh, my gosh. Anyway, you're turning red. Okay. Odo's got to piece this together without the future technology of Ness cameras.

But he does, he tries. He does a good job. But that was a fair point that you made. Yeah. I'm glad you said it. We had the same thing on our show with, you know, these kind of like, why don't they just go to the cameras? Terry, if we're ever at a convention and you forgot to put blush on and we're backstage, I'm going to go wept hands and you're going to turn red.

And it'll be good. It'll be all good. It's what can you do with those web hands? What can you do with these webbed hands? And he'll turn red and you'll have color and you can go on stage. All right. Can we move to the next scene? Yes.

I look forward to that moment. O'Brien's quarters. By the way, O'Brien's quarters, look at the design aesthetic inside there. There's bonsai trees all along the walls there. Super, super cool. I love that. Obviously, Keko is of, at least in DS9. She's at home.

She's at home and she's of Japanese descent. even though Keiko played by Rosalind Chow is actually Chinese American, but she plays Japanese in this. But the bonsai tree is super, super cool. They're having dinner. Keiko tells Miles about the boy's delinquent behavior and that there needs to be a school on the station to keep the kids out of trouble. Miles is using chopsticks to eat his dinner.

And I thought, wow, look at that. That's not bad. I like that. I like that right away, he reacts to her saying that, that you're like, oh, this is going to happen. because he was like what did you say you have an idea for a purpose yeah it was it was a pretty uh hit the nail on the head on the head on the head at the end of the headache from the scene yeah it was it was a big hammer hitting that huge big nail what this place needs is a

school all right who's gonna do that yeah there's no mystery detective story in this school story in this B storyline no no that's pretty obvious right dead on yeah yeah all right next up we're in Cisco's office we find Kira entering to find Cisco with mr. Zara a Bajoran who runs the transit aid center he says that he had a conversation with Ibadan an hour before his death Ibadan was afraid that Odo would kill him that's what mr. Zara said to Cisco and also now to Kira. So now we're thinking, hmm, does Odo do that? Yeah. He's, he was kind of creepy to this guy. He was yeah. Eddie Albert Jr. Yeah. Eddie Albert Jr. Eddie Albert. I've seen before though. Eddie Albert. I actually worked with this guy twice. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Eddie

He's like sort of creepy. Yes, 100%. He's been in like horror films and sci-fi films. And then he wasn't. And then what happened to him? Yeah, yeah. Like his era was the late 80s, early 90s, and then bye-bye. You know, maybe he went into another occupation. Who knows? All right, interior of Ibudan's quarters. And this was, I was a little confused here because when you read the script, you're

thinking, wait, his quarters on the space station, but no, it's actually his quarters on his ship because you do have an exterior, yeah, there's an exterior space shot. Thank you for saying that. There's an exterior space shot right before this of the station with a ship docked to one, you know, corner of it. Yeah, I got that. I got this because of the double bunk. No, I must have looked down at my drink or my notes or something, but I totally missed it.

A split second of looking down on any Star Trek. You're going to miss a lot of stuff. You cannot look away from Star Trek. Please don't fire me. No. I'm not going to get fired. No. You're not even get a, you don't even get a warning on this one.

No, it's okay. We get it. By the way, so they're in the Ibidon's quarters on his ship. Yes. This officer or someone is bringing Odo in. And this officer, they looped all of his dialogue. Yeah. Like it was so...

Bad. Yeah. It was not in sync. It was, it felt even like revoiced. Like maybe they had someone else. I thought it was revoiced too. It felt out of body. Yes, but I was questioning, why is he even, why is he even there?

Odo has the keys to every, you know, you know what I'm saying? Like, Odo can get into anything. Well, I don't even know why this guy's there. I think they needed the audience to hear them describe, explain where they are. This is even on quarters. Sometimes you need exposition. Okay. Yeah. But then when they said his quarters, it didn't make it clear to me, just even hearing that.

It was on the ship. Right. As opposed to the station, right? Exactly. Yeah. All right. So the auto enters, the other guy leaves. And Odo's investigating.

He's looking for clues. He goes to the computer display. And he finds a file with Iwodon's schedule of activities. And once again, the font used just reminds me of old school Apple computer and Robbie of old school DOS. You know what? I saw that. And it actually, I saw what you meant to, Robbie, because my dad used to do the computer programming back in, oh, golly, the late 70s.

And it reminded me of that weird little thing. It was even orange, I think, which was the old DOS color was like orange letters and numbers. It's really weird. They didn't upgrade it. Yeah. Yeah. The last entry, it just says, Odo. Odo right there.

So now you're thinking. thinking, oh, something's going on here. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. He's getting framed right now.

He is. I think he sees that that's happening. Uh, now we're in Cisco's quarters. Keiko is sitting there, making her case for establishing a school in the station. Cisco comments that Jake won't be spending time with the trouble-making Ferengi boy. Cisco approved the school idea, and after Keiko leaves, I love how, It's so funny because growing up, you know, being disciplined. My parents would have a certain voice first for other people, like if they're talking

on the phone. And then when they hang up, they turn and the discipline voice comes to us, right? Oh, yes. Yeah. So everyone's very, hey, how are you? And then hang up and then how. Theresa. Yeah, yeah.

But my favorite part of this scene is watching Surrach go, I thought you didn't want to talk about this now. And then he runs away and hides at this. And then Cisco goes right after him. Cisco runs after him. I'm like, oh, my God. That would not be good. No, no.

Not if it was my mom. Mm-hmm. Yeah, very funny tag at the end of that scene. Yeah. We're in the infirmary. Kira, Dax, Odo, and Bashir are in this scene. Analysis has showed no new DNA traces in the hollow suite, which is so confusing. How can that be possible?

According to Odo himself, the only way Ibudan could be murdered would be by someone who could get through the cracks in the locked door, a shape. shifter. So it's also who makes that exclamation. Yeah. He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, yeah. Yeah. Well, he doesn't say I did it, but he's just, he's just saying what could they what, what is the only possibility. Right. Yeah. He's his probability. It's almost like stream of consciousness. He's just, he's going through all the possibilities. And then the only person who could do this would be a shapeshifter. So that's kind of how I analyze. And I am up, I am a bobbing head in between in between Odo and Kira, my head is sort of like there.

And I remember just hold still. And it's like, oh, why am I here? Why are you even putting me in the shot? You didn't even have a line in this shot. Did you have a line? She said there's no, yeah, no new DNA. Oh, you said there's no new DNA. Yeah.

Yeah. But that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. And then I'm in this weird awkward spot. And then they reframe and I'm like in the center just kind of, I have no body. I'm just between their shoulders.

It happens again in a later scene. Too bad. You didn't have a hedge like in that. Simpsons and Mean where Homer just falls into the hedge and disappears. That would have been awesome. You could have did that too. Yeah, I could have. Do you remember, though, Terry, shooting those scenes when you're behind the people talking

in the foreground and they want you to line up so you're right between everybody so you can toss your one line out? I remember doing this a hundred times. And you're trying to like judge, you're trying to judge where I should be. And the camera moves around. And reaction, not too big of a reaction. You don't want to be hammy in the background trying to get, hey, look at me. You're not trying to upstage everyone else.

You can't even react normal like a normal person would. So it's just such an awkward, horrible. It's awkward. All I would think about is, am I in the right slot that they want me to be in? That's all I would think about. I wouldn't think about my line or what's going on in the scene. No. Yeah.

Your line, your line, your line, your line, your line, your line, your line, my line. And if somebody skips a line, you're like, I'm going to miss it. Yep. Can't do it. Moving on. This is mind-numbing, isn't it? Yes. It can be.

Yes, it can be. Yes. Wait till we get to those scenes. All right, now we're in ops, and the constable and the major enter discussing how everything involving the murder was just too darn convenient. Kira asks if he has an alibi, and Odo says that, to be honest, he was in his natural state, in a pale, in the back of his office. And we learn now that shapeshifters have to read.

generate every 18 hours, a fact that was new to me. You know what it was a fact that was new to me? What? I knew, I vaguely remember that, that Renee's character had to regenerate. I never knew that it was in a pale. Does that what he always does? Yes. Yes.

Yes, it's his pale. Yes, it'd be like, like your bed, right? It's your bed, right? The pale is his bed. Well, because he. Are you saying that you would have chosen to please? Is it a pan or a tray, Robbie, if you were a shapeshifter as opposed to a pale? I don't even, I don't know.

Would you rather? He's like goo. It's like sort of a jello-y thing, right? But you have a problem with the fact that it's a pale. I feel like that's what your issue is. That's the, it's the pale part. Like, why would you even have pales in the future? You don't need to mop or anything.

Yeah, but he's goo. He needs to stay in the, he needs to be contained in a container. You mean you don't have to mop. Why wouldn't you have to mop? What if someone threw up in the floor? I mean, we've got. one of these at home now. What's the the vacuum that goes around

by itself? What's it called? Lazy? The Rumba. The Rumba, yeah. I got a Rumba. We got a Rumba already. I'm not even in the future. Like, they've got to have machines that clean the floors or computers. You brought up, what if someone throws up?

That's what you said, Terry. Well, the futuristic cleaning crew, they could just beam the vomit into space. Like, we'll take it here and beam it out there. You got to recycle that. We've talked about this. Recycle all Right into the replicator. See, now you just ruined it for her. I know, sorry.

Gosh, darn it. Everything organic gets recycled back into the replicators. Now with the vomit. See, I disagree. I disagree with the poop comment because the poop is waste. How can you take waste and make it into nutrition? You see what I'm saying, Robbie? But we take waste and turn it back into water.

We do. We do. Because we separate. Okay, all right, fine. So then maybe they separate it. I don't know science. You can separate the nutrients out of the fecal matter. of the fecal matter and take the good part and put it back.

But I thought the good part that you were absorbed by your body. I thought your body took the good stuff and all everything in the poop is not good. That's what I always. You can't take everything. I love that I got Terry to say, take the good part of the poop as if there's the good part of the poop. But she said it, so we're going to go with it. And it's never come out of a prettier face than that, that number right there. I'm so glad.

I don't think she's ever said that at a convention anywhere else until now. Until they don't flyers. I'm horrified. Okay. Good part of the poop. God, you guys are hilarious. Which are we watching again? Anyway. Okay.

Yeah. What season is this? Okay. So we learn the shapeshippers have to regenerate every 18 hours. Oda to ask Kira to have Bashir go do a sweep of Ibadan's quarters to be able to get every little detail that they can. A CSI moment. Yeah. Yeah, CSI moment.

Exactly. Yes, and Odo leaves at the very end, and Kira looks away again. That look. That look, but it was the tightest close-up I've seen in the show. Oh, we see you. What did you read from that look, guys? What did you read from that look? I read that she's worried about Odo, and she's not absolutely sure that he's innocent.

Exactly. That's what I read. Both. There is 1% chance that he's guilty in her mind on that look I felt like. She's like, wait a minute. Yeah. Because if something was going to try. trip him over that edge, the injustice of somebody getting out free is enough to send him

over the edge mentally, yeah, definitely. To become a vigilante, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Next up, we're in corks. Rom is in working mode. He's overseeing the gambling tables while Kiko tags along trying to convince him to allow Nog

to go to school at the school that she's going to. Is this the first time we see Rom actually having a conversation? Yes. We saw him at the gambling table. Yay. We never heard him speak until this scene. Max. No.

Yeah. So we get Max Gredenchik speaking finally. And, you know, they talk back and forth. And Keiko almost convinces Rom to allow Nog to go to the school. But in the end, he says it'll never work out because his son or any Ferengi boy, for that matter, would never listen or learn from a female teacher. So there's some sexism going on in the Ferengi culture. they are horrifyingly bad well i didn't know i didn't know much about them so look at this now we're getting some more uh four one one on them yeah armond gets a few kickers in there too i mean i'm sure

he does cork cork thank you cork does not armin yeah let's let's make that distinction yes yes i'm sorry that's all right any comments on on this scene of uh with rom and caco i like how Kako almost, like, she gets his, the things that are going to help convince him. So she talks about, like, well, if he learns from other cultures, he can, he can sell things to them. He can learn their economics and how they do business. Yeah. Commerce.

And Ron's like, wait a minute, you'll teach him these things? So he's tempted for a second, but then, no, she's a female. Yeah. Yeah. Once again, excellent transition from Kiko crossing out of frame and then the camera picking up Mr. Zara having a conversation with the other Bajorans about the recent murder. He questions Odo's allegiance since he was the constable during the Cardassian occupation. So he feels like, there's some sketchy stuff going on with Odo.

But Quark is the one who chimes in to defend Odo, who is arguably his main, you know, nemesis. Yeah, nemesis throughout the history that they've known each other. Those two have always been at odds. But here we have cork chiming in to say, look, he's not. not a murderer. I know that for a fact. And off to the one side, off to one side, we see a mysterious older Bajoran man in a cloak watching the conversation that Zara is having. And it kind of reminded me of that one guy from the beginning of the pilot that was staring

at Cisco. Remember the Bajor? I thought it was like a religious. Yeah. Bajoran, like I kind of look reminiscent of that man. That guy. Yeah. It's the same actor. They just recycled him. They used him again. There you go. They could have. It's possible. Well, with the DNA, I mean, the whole game he's playing here is changing his DNA. So he could have looked like anybody, yeah. Mm-hmm. He could have taken the cover.

Yes. Next up, we have Ibadan's quarters. We have a very short scene with Bashir doing his scanning and analysis, getting to play with his various medical tools and gathering tools. So that's a lot of fun. I know that. Yeah, no dialogue in this scene, but beautifully shot. Like Marvin Rush did a great job, these low angles.

I saw the camera down on the deck with the wide lens. for the wide shot, you know, going around. Bashir's, Sid's performance in the scene was really, you know, great showing that transition when he discovers something he seems to be happy with. Like, he's found something in the DNA or the CSI thing. Sometimes I think those are the most fun scenes to do. Yeah. You can hear the director just telling you what to do off camera and you're just doing your thing.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Best. Next up, we're in op. And we have Mr. Zara and other Bajorans have come to Cisco with their concerns over the murderer, who they all think is Odo. We see Dax and Kira there as well. Kira dismisses Zara and the rest of the Bajorans.

Kira argues in favor of Odo. Sisko says he has to relieve him of his duty now because of all the evidence, which is not a very popular decision with Kira at all. No. That was the moment where I thought she really gave away her. her insecurity or her, the possibility that he might have done it because she got so defensive that it felt like. Wow. Who couldn't understand that perspective?

It's not personal. It's just you can't be involved in an incident and also investigate it. Yeah, absolutely. No, Cisco's absolutely right here. The thing I noticed in the scene was there were, it was a pretty big group of Bajorans. Like, I don't know, six, eight, ten people even, maybe somewhere between there. And they all got on that lift. And all I could think of was, this is a Hollywood set.

Like, can it hold all those people? Like, is that too many? I was like, did they do the engineering and is it safe? I don't know. Actually, what I thought about that scene, I thought it was, it seemed that people's, the energy seemed too low for it being the end. end of that scene. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. When does Cisco dismiss him? It is actually dismiss who? No, no. Pira dismisses there. She's like, thank you. Get out of here. Thank you for coming.

I got ahead of myself. Yeah. And it just felt like the whole crowd should have been a little more. They just felt like their energy, like they just got done with lunch. Yeah, they were very civilized, very reasonable. Yeah. And they weren't. And that's not really how they're feeling.

No, no, no. And my issue was they were so docile. not only in their energy because it looked like post-lunch, but also how they were blocked. They were all standing in very, very sedate and very orderly. But in actuality, all of them should have been very edgy, right?

And very sort of like, oh, I'm pissed. I'm just, there should have been some movement. And it was just, we're going to stand here like choir boys. Terry, who were your ADs on DS9? Who were your ADs? Do you remember the first ADDs? B.C. Cameron and there was a guy named Paul but I want to

I'm not sure if I think he was the rotating first with B.C. You know how they didn't do every single one. Yeah, there's always two. Yeah, I think Paul was the other one. And there was another gentleman and I can't think of his name. It's gosh, it's 30 years ago. If I had a call sheet, it'd be so nice to be able to go we could we could look it up I was just I was curious because the first ADs are the ones that direct the background performers directors like if I'm directing an episode of a show I can't talk to the background performers because as soon as the director talks to them they want an up you know

they are are entitled to an upgrade a bump as an actor but yeah bump so so the first ADs have to talk to them so in that situation where they were all docile I wonder if the first AD had not communicated or the director had not noticed or, you know, that's often, it's a, it's a place that the ball gets dropped a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I would, let me ask you this then. Is that a thing where there's some responsibilities to being a first AD to pave the pathway

to become a director so that when you're the director, you're, that. I think it's part of, yeah, the first AD's job is to direct the performance. of the background so that yeah if you did move up you've got some practice with communicating how to how to give an you know an acting performance but you're just first aid only does it with the background but a lot of times the background I'll admit even as a director I often don't pay as much attention to the background because I'm focused in on the actor and I want to look at their eyes and see if I'm getting the nuance and detail so I'm not looking behind them at at bad background performances.

No. So the first 80s have to be on that, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what's interesting. I now, it's now making me remember, Robbie, the times that Jerry would be talking to, you know, the background saying,

okay, guys, keep in mind you're going to do this. There were times that when we had a lot of extras, if we were in wherever it was on location and we had a bunch of extra background people, I remember actually helping him now. Like I was, yeah, yeah, I would say to some, you know, some other extras, hey, guys, yeah, make sure you do that. And I know that that was not my place to do that. But I felt like when it was that many extras, some of them were maybe too far away to hear.

I don't know. So I felt like, as an actor, as a principal actor, if you notice people around you are not engaged in the scene in the way they need to be, that's absolutely appropriate. Okay. So it's okay that I did that. But it's not okay for a director only because of the contracts. Got it. yeah and you know what what you were doing that's like team spirit yeah like we're on the same yeah no i was the wager cheerleader yeah they're actors they just don't have lines yeah yeah yeah okay

where's where we go next we are in the infirmary yeah so bashir has found something seafurane fragments near the matter reclamation unit further analysis shows dna fragments he tells odo that he thinks ibudan was performing some kind of medical experiment on his ship so he decides to set up a bioregenerative field to enhance. Oh, my God, I thought I got away from Technobabal, but here we go again. So he goes, here we go. So he tells Odo that he thinks Iwudan was performing some kind of medical experiment on his ship. He decides to set up a bioregenerative field to enhance cellular development to give him an idea of what Iwadon was up to.

And now Odo is called to Cisco's office. And he puts like a little petri dish into a tank, like a fish tank. of liquid, and it starts bubbling. So he's accelerating this petri dish, DNA. It's going to grow into something, so we don't know yet. Very exciting. And they made that happen because on the bottom of that petri dish was a small piece of Alka-Seltzer.

So the minute it got into that water, it started bubbling. Yes. I made that. It's probably what they did. Okay. We're in Cisco's office. Cisco relieves Odo of duty and places Kira and Daxe in charge of the investigation. Odo doesn't really, I don't know.

I mean, he takes it in stride. He realizes what's going on. And he's just like, okay. No, he doesn't. Well, I don't think it. Does he burst out of there? No, he, but he gets really intense when he says, yes, he talks about, you don't know me.

You have no reason to believe I wouldn't kill Ibadan. He's, he's kind of saying, he's kind of saying, I could do this. Like, he gets very intense. He gets, he's, I think he's very, I think he understands the relief of being relieved of duty but that's what I'm saying that he takes that in stride he doesn't say like okay I'm gonna keep my position screw you he's like fine I'm no but it's when Cisco says I don't think I personally I don't think you're responsible for this that's when Odo's like really really you don't think I could be responsible yeah I'm not capable of this yeah he gets you don't know me

and then he gets really that scary calm intense take care of my own yeah I don't think I've ever remember him talking that calmly like that it was like Like, oh, oh, I'd rather have you yelling at me than that kind of had at me. I have a question about that scene. Behind Cisco was a moving Starfield. Yes. Do you have a, we had a Starfield that was on like this merry-go-round. You had the same thing?

They had to have the same thing. Oh, that's cool. Well, it works so well. Why would you reinvent it? Exactly. So we copy, yeah, ours copied yours, basically. Oh, yeah, we copied yours. And we copied next gen.

So, wow. You don't must think that they all shared technology. I wonder, Robbie. I wonder if our Starfield was TNG Starfield. They left behind for us to use. Probably. I think it was. Yeah.

The crew was very familiar with that moving Starfield. I remember right out of the gate, they were like, oh, the movie Starfield. You got to roll that thing over here and light it just right. And, yeah. Anyway, that's pretty cool. So Odo has been Relief of Duty. he walks out of the office and as he's heading through the promenade

to his office he finds out that his entire office has been trashed, people who have written stuff on the walls, Quark arrives, they have, actually I like this scene between Cork and Odo their conversation was a really there was many layers going on here.

It was all about subtext this scene. Oh my God. Yes, it was. They're sort of pretending to argue and be combative with each other but they're not. They're both showing that they really like each other, respect each other, care about each other. Yeah, especially that Cork is trying to help by saying I tried to find some information out.

Right. Led to nowhere, but. Oh, no, he was. Yeah, he got some info. It didn't lead to completely nowhere. He said, well, he just kind of hung out with other major indiscidents. That's it, you know.

That's what he was saying. But it didn't really help him very much. Until the end. It does in the end, because it tracks to the end. if you think about it, because that whole scene where he finally finds him at the very end, right? Yeah, we won't jump at the bottom. What?

What happens? Nothing. No, but I do want to say, Odo in this scene says, Quirk, you think you could use a shapeshifter in your organization? And there's just long pause. Yeah. Yes. And Armin played it so great.

He's like, a lot, he's like, wait, are you serious? Are you serious? Yeah, it was absolutely. You had, you almost had me. You almost happy, exactly. That was the richest moment. in this entire episode. So good.

Yeah. That was my favorite moment in the episode. Yeah. Really good. Really good. All right. So we are now in the infirmary again. We have Cisco, Dax, and Bashir in this scene.

And the tissue is growing exponentially. It looks like a turkey. It looks like a Thanksgiving turkey in the water. Yeah. Pretty gross. It looked like a turkey. Didn't it have the shape of like. gelatinous.

I just thought like it looked like it looks like. like a lump of flesh. I didn't think about turkey at all. But maybe because it's close to Thanksgiving and you're thinking it looks like turkey. Maybe that's why. Terry, you remember it in person? What did it look like in person?

Yeah. Like my worm kind of. Like they made the same stuff out of, or Dax. Oh, yeah. You're. Zimbient and that same kind of rubbery, ghouy thing that, you know, like to play with when you're eight. Yeah.

So, Terry, as Dax in the background of that scene, you should have said, it's my cousin is what you should have said, but you didn't. He didn't go there. Okay. The tissue is growing exponentially, but she talks about having to now transfer it into like a larger container to keep it growing. Because they don't know how big this thing is going to grow. Is it going to be the size of an elephant?

Is it going to be the size of a car? We don't know. We have no clue. But he wants to transfer it. Well, it's humanoid. It's humanoid. It's humanoid, but it could be a really big human. Okay, maybe not a little.

It could be a giant. It could be like Andre the giant, something like that. Okay. Maybe. Who knows? Who knows. Moving on to corks. Cisco and Bejillo.

Oh, this is, by the way, in the, in the infirmary. Oh, you're back in there. Cisco says to Dax, care for lunch? And Bashir's facing the other way. And Bashir goes, sure. And then Dax, they both noticed that Bashir thought he was being invited. But it was really for Dax. And Dax says, no, sorry, I can't make it.

So I guess they're having lunch. But the look on his face, on, on Siddig's face was the best. He's like, he's in this huge smile. He turns and he's like, I get to go to half lunch then, I guess. With the commander. Yes. We're going to bond. Totally.

All right. So we're at, we are quarks now. And Cisco and Bashir are indeed having lunch together. They're chatting about Dax. Cisco is telling Julian that if he's interested in Dax, he has no objection, none at all. I mean, he can do whatever he wants. He's just, he makes it clear. I have no romantic interest towards.

Terry, I have a question. Is that true? I mean, I don't want you to, like, spoil the series, but is that true that Cisco never had romantic moments, questions with Jacks? No. No. That's not true, right? Yes. No.

Which is it? Does he have romantic feelings at some point? No. How can he remember? That was his, Curzon, Dax was his mentor. He's his mentor and father figure. He's not going to want to have, you know. And he just saw me as that.

But, okay. But Bashir is saying in this, like, this is a new body. It's partially this, the symbiont or whatever is taking on this new host element. So it wouldn't be like having a relationship with your old mentor. Exactly. It would be. No, it could probably be even better because you're like, wow, you're like my mentor and best friend. And now you're a woman.

And now you have stuff to play. play with. That's what this year is saying in the scene, but Cisco is pretty much shutting it down going, nope, nope, nope, no. I just don't know if I believe them. Yeah. I don't know what to say because there's parts of this that it feels like that we shouldn't say too much because it's kind of nice to have this like. Rob, you're going too far forward, I think. So, but I can't help that. I know. You're so interested right now. I can help it by saying, yes, no. You'll have to They're my sister or my daughter. I'll just have to wait and see them.

All right. So during this scene, we do see Odo entering and sitting down at the bar. And immediately the other bar patrons treat him like he's the plague and they all scatter. They leave. Even Morn, who doesn't say a word, leaves too. He's like, nope, can't deal with him. Yeah, it's very sad. That's sad.

Very sad. Yeah. We jump over to the schoolroom, the classroom. Desks, which obviously, I don't know how they found these desks that. had computers already stuck on them. They looked like school desks. They welded them on. But the computer's part of the desk in the table.

They made them. They welded them. They replicated them. They replicated them. Yeah. They're being brought in while Keko is setting everything up in the classroom. O'Brien comes in with Molly, little Hannah Hattah. My goodness.

How old was she? How old was she then? Was she five, four, three? She seemed like three or four. Yeah, she seemed like three or four. She's obviously small, a small person. anyway. But she just, God, they would have to coerce her and bribe her. She did not enjoy being there. It broke your heart when you're watching it as an adult. You're like, okay, I have kids

ever. They're never doing it. They're not going to be put through that. Yeah. It's difficult. Because it really messes with them. Most of them. Yeah. Formative years, you're getting paid to do, you're getting bribed to do things. Yeah. and you're around adults like you know film crews and and set environments we should have we should have her on because it would be interesting to hear right from her what it was like for her oh yeah i have her i have her number so we can go ahead and call her and have her perfect yes we will definitely get her own she's such a good person yeah uh adult hannah is is definitely a really cool cool person. She's amazing. Yeah. Well, O'Brien, yeah, so O'Brien, along with Molly,

O'Brien has also brought a present, a gift. And as Keiko opens it up, we see that it is a school bell, which is very nice. So cute. Yeah, it's very cute. Very sweet gift. At the same time that we have this sweet moment. Now we hear some ruckus going on outside. So Miles has to leave to investigate. And now we see in the promenade that Odo is being followed by a mob calling him murderer. Odo locks himself in his office. And now O'Brien sees all this and he hails Kira, asked for more backup, some security to come down. Then he hails Cisco and says, you better show up too. So the whole gang heads on over to the promenade to see what's going on. Any comments on this little quick scene here at all? I felt like there should have been more background

performers. It felt a little thin to me. It was like it was a little keystone cops. Like they were all jammed together. Yeah. And they were sort of moving around. And there should be people that are still just having their business that have nothing to do with this. Correct. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. It felt like

they needed another 20, 30, 40 extras in this scene. Just fill it out. Another 200. It looked like it was two in the morning. And we got to just rally everybody we can. Yeah. Yeah. Shoot it and get home. It's Friday night. two in the morning probably was there you go it felt a little like Frankenstein too like the old Frankenstein yeah when they chase out torches and they're coming after the monster freak shape shifter yeah yeah oh do should have made frankincine type of sounds too he should

have made those sounds no that wouldn't that's hurt all right let's move on it's sad it's said let's move it on we are now we cut to the infirmary Bashir is looking at how big this organism has grown. It's bigger than a turkey now. It's getting to human size at this point. We jump back to the promenade, the mob, including Zara, are yelling at Odo, calling him a freak, a murdering shifter. Cisco has arrived and he orders O'Brien to bring more security. Kira is there as well, and she makes some suggestions to help control the crowd. So we're back in the infirmary, and Dax is analyzing the chromatin pattern and exclaims that it's humanoid, Bashir agrees and a light bulb goes off. He asked Dax to run a chromosome analysis. He is clearly onto something. As an audience member, we still have no clue

what it is, but he's on to something. I had a thought about this scene, by the way, because Dax does say the thing that is the key to solving this whole mystery. She says, well, it's definitely humanoid. So she's done enough analysis. I wish that they had let Dax have a little more of the process of discovery and actually intentionally saying wait a minute Bashir I know what you need this is this is the data you need

and I figured it out because it's kind of like accidental she sort of tosses it off it's yeah it's definitely humanoid as if it means nothing okay and he's the one I wish she had been the one because I still don't feel like

I know Dax well enough so this is like a missing scene for you almost at this point like having Dax have more comment because she's a science officer Maybe she's the one that comes up with the discovery as opposed to our resident doctor, right? I felt like, yeah, it's such a big turnpoint. It would have been a great moment to give her that agency of figuring it out and giving him the solution. Anyway.

Thank you, Robbie. Yes, of course. We're back at the promenade. Cisco has now pushed through to join the other security personnel that are standing in front of Odo's door. It's a combination of Bajoran and Starfleet that are standing there sort of blocking the mob from getting to Odo. Cisco tries to talk sense into them. Do not contend this man because he is different than you are.

Zara says, well, we are condemning him because of the evidence. To which Cisco says, you know what, take that evidence to a court of law, not this vigilante crap. Bashir quickly burst in saying that the murdered man was not Iwudan, to which Odo's like, what? I mean, Odo is like, what are you talking about? But Jir tells everyone to follow me. So they get back to the infirmary where we find out that it's a clone. And they know this because of gene sequencing degradation.

That's how they figure out that it's a clone. And Odo has an idea on how to locate the real Ibadan. And we go to his quarters in his ship where the really, really creepy guy in the hood, the Bajorna or guy shows up. The cloaked hood guy. Yeah, which we also see, we do see him one other time when they're calling him names and everything in the promenade. And then we see him walking into the quarter, into his quarters, Ibadan's quarters. And he thinks he's alone, this guy. He does.

Yeah, he does. He thinks he's alone for a minute. He walks past a chair and that chair morphs into Odo. He starts questioning him, what are you doing here? Odo starts questioning him back. And this gentleman's name is Le Monet, which I kept thinking is the money. Le Monet. I don't know.

No, that's funny. La Monet. I know that's not how you say money in French, but it still to me it was funny. Lamoney. Yeah, lemony. So all these questions, and he says, we have no record of your arrival. We don't have this. And the questioning becomes more and more intense.

A struggle breaks out. Odo then ends up pulling a mask off of La Monet as if it is something from Mission Impossible. With Tom Cruise. And if that whole mask comes off. With Peter Graves, the real one. Yes. Yes. That was the influence I felt. The writers were like pulling in, dun, dun, dun, then. Yes, that was there. And I love that last line where he's got him in that chokehold. And he's, Odo says, killing your own clone, it's still murder.

And I was like, yeah, you're right. It's still murder, regardless if it's your clone or not, right? We then- Killing your own clone is murder, which is kind of like Tuvix on our show. Don't bring that out. Don't bring that up here. Our captain got rid of a clone. accidental clone that mixed up two of our series regulars. In a transporter accident. Transport or accident.

And she had to decide whether to keep that accident alive or kill it to be able to go back to the original two. Yeah. Very controversial episode. Big time. Yeah. Yes. And we know Odo's opinion,

killing your own clone is murder. So we know where he would stand on the Tuvix question. Mm-hmm. Yes. If you're ever on stage and everyone goes, Hey, Terry, do you know anything about Voyager? You could say, like, well, I could say, do you think Tuvix should have lived or not? And everyone's going to go out.

Their hands will be raised up. Oh, I think it's very divisive. Yeah, it's crazy. Very divisive. Wow. We have an exterior shot of the station, and we have the commander's log telling us that Ubadan, Ubadan. I'm pronouncing everyone wrong today.

Ibudan was turned over to the Bjoran authorities, and life on the station is slowly getting back to normal. The very final scene, we're in the school classroom, Keiko. asked the computer for the time. It's 2009-07 hours. So clearly everyone is seven minutes late. It's going to start at 0-900. But Ben and Jake arrive.

So Keiko looks at them and says, well, I guess you're right. I mean, maybe people aren't going to come. And then quickly right around the corner, Rom shows up with Nog. And I love how he doesn't want Nog sitting anywhere near Jake. He's like, not near the human boy. Yeah. But the great thing is that both dads are saying the same thing about the other person's kids. You can't be friends with that kid.

You know, he's a troublemaker. Two more Bajoran kids show up and they sit down and we have a nice little ending of this episode. So there you go. Yeah. Yay school. Yay. Structure.

Okay, so let's talk about the lesson from this episode. Robbie, what is your lesson slash theme slash moral of this episode? I think my biggest takeaway, It wasn't as much the murder mystery, like detective work. It was mob mentality. That's what I got. That's where my head went.

How dangerous mob mentality is or can be. And it's often misguided. Often mobs get wound up about something that is not really based in reason or fact. So that's what happened in this for Odo. And that was my takeaway. So kind of don't let the emotions get the best of you. in a way. Is that what you're kind of getting to? Because that's what a mob mentality, they let the emotions control them. They sort of feed off of the larger group. They sort of join in. You sort of join

in. They stop having their own opinion. Exactly. And they start just adopting the leaders. Oh, if so and so believe so that leader, then I'm going to, well, they must know more information than I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My lesson is more from Cisco's comment. which I read earlier, do not condemn this man because he is different than you are. And of course, my perspective being a Chinese American raised in America, a predominantly white country,

that is a huge issue. And I think that's a big lesson. I think racism is the cause of a lot of strife in this world that we live in, unfortunately. And I think right now people have to just realize that a human being is a human being. It doesn't matter what color the person is. It doesn't matter what gender the person is.

is. It doesn't matter what language that person speaks. They're the same as you are. It's another human being. We've got mob mentality's bad and everybody's a human. Don't be biased. And Terry, for our final lesson. Oh, final lesson. I agree with both of you on this, both of you on this. I would just add maybe it's a lesson too for each of us to take pause and really think before we jump on to a bandwagon. Right, which a lot of people don't take pause. They jump right into action without thinking. Yeah.

Well, the mob certainly did. And actually, you know, Odo did too by just grabbing this guy. He hadn't done anything yet. He was just in quirks. He hadn't done anything. Right. There was nothing. There was no reason for his panties to be in a twist.

Yeah. Yeah, I also think like, yeah what's that saying uh things aren't always what they appear you know that that's a that's a lesson here don't judge a book by its cover yeah yeah because Cisco and rom we're both judging the other fathers and the other kids you know don't hang out with that kid don't just just blaming the other kid too for being the bad kid yeah punishing your own child yeah yeah great lessons great lessons there you go well and also how about uh caco having that moment of just needing to settle in for the idea when you're having a big change in your life you have to let things

just be in the present moment too to try to figure it out you can't bully it into happening she found her way on her own and it was sweet that o'brien was trying to fix it but the truth was it was her journey she was frustrated with. And she was clear about that, but he wasn't quite hearing that. Yeah, yeah. He was trying to fix it. Yeah. Yeah.

Male writers. They know that. They know that story, though. But I think they got that really well. They wrote that well for a woman because you could see that she just needed to figure it out. All right. Well, we've come to the end of this episode. Unfortunately, we want to thank Terry for joining us for this one.

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