The Delta Flyers - A Simple Investigation

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell, and Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Doctor Bashir, I Presume?, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.A Simple Investigation: Odo falls in love with a woman searching for information that ultimately will endanger her life and make their relationship impossible. We would like to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers, Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Nicki T, Roxane Ray, Tim Neumark, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jenny Cordina, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Jonathan Capps, Chris Dellman, Chris Garis, Sean T, Cindy Woodford, Tamara Evans, & Shawn RobbinsOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Cindy Ring, Lee Lisle, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, David Wei Liu, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Andrew Duncan, Randy Hawke, Penny Liu, Matt Norris, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cano, Robby Hill, Kevin Harlow, Megan Doyle, Jeff Allen, & Londyn HenningAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, E & John, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Kelly Brown, Sarah Thompson, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Steph Davies, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, Annie Davey, Jason Eberl, Jeremy Gaskin, Sarah Dunnevant, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Robert Allen Stiffler, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, SnazzyO, Karen Galleski, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Cade Solsbery, Timothy McMichens, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Slacktwaddle, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Jim Poesl, Scott Bowling, Michael Jones, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Kilian Trapp, Kit Marie Rackley, Gordon Watson, Andy Bruce, Andrew Golden, Damien O’Donnell, Michael Bourguignon, & Luke PachaThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Peace Corps: https://peacecorps.gov/serveAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone, and welcome to Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Cork Dax and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Deep Space 9. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. Good morning, everybody. Good morning. Good morning. Good evening. Good night. Whatever time of day it is, wherever you're listening. I hope you don't have snow like me, because I just came in from plowing the long driveway. What do you do when you're plowing?

What do you use when you're plowing your drive? I use a cub cadet, a cub cadet snow plow. Is it like a tractor snowplow? You don't drive it, you push it, but it does have a motor. So the grips, you grip one side and it helps drive. How do you navigate the steepness of the driveway of your drive? Well, it's got a little motor on the wheels, so it helps. It's an assist.

It doesn't drive. the whole thing. All right. Siss, pulling it up the hill. But there's so many knobs and levers to use because you've got to pull in the wheel locks on both handles. You've got to push down the motor. You've got to push down the blower.

Yes. And then as you are going up the hill, to steer it, you pull the different sides. It's a lot going on. And you've got the wheelie to turn your snow plow thing. Oh, my gosh. It's intimidating at first. But once you get the hang of it, you're like, oh, thank goodness. Because we hit a really steep hill.

Yeah. Well, that's what I'm afraid of, Robbie. What's stopping you and the machine from sliding down your driveway? There's a motor. There's a motor propelling it up. Yeah. Like your car. If you have it in drive, it's not going to roll back on you.

But what about going? Once he goes up. It slides down. Same motor. It'll stop. It won't just stop. When you let go of the handle, it'll stay still. It'll stay still.

Right. Yeah. Oh. It has like a safety thing. So you've operated that. as well. Terfair back in the east. I don't think it was, I don't know if it was the same thing because this was when I lived

in Pennsylvania. So this was a while ago. But we would get. Cub cadet, that's the way to go. Yeah, there's a. And I'm not getting, you know, sponsorship here. I didn't mind the workout, but. Yeah.

Yeah. It is a workout. I'm fishing. Yeah. It still is. And Terry. But it's better than shoveling for your back. Yeah.

So much better. And Terry, you were a pilot on DS9. You piloted a lot of shuttles and, and. So I'm experienced. So your experience. like me, we're pilots. So we understand snowblowers. And also my dad taught me to drive in a left-handed MGB.

What? Wow. That's kind of cool, actually. It really worked out for Quantum Leap because they had an MGB that was on the left side. And I was like, wow. Can I drive it for real? And they said, do you know how to drive it? Do you know how to drive a manual?

I mean, yeah, a manual. And I'm like, yeah. Of course I do. That's how my dad taught me. How else would you learn how to drive? a car. You learn a car by driving it manually. My first car. Stick shift. My Dotson, 300 ZX. Dotson. My mom had a Dotson. She loved her Dotson's. I loved my Dotson. It was Dotson in the beginning, the old, old days. Then it changed in Nissan. 300 ZX, yes, the sports car. I had the Toyota

Supra, which was the competitor to the 300 ZX. That was my first car. You had a really cool BMW, though. Oh, yes, yes. You were in my, you've been in my vehicle. Yes, you gave me a right around the lot. I drove you around the blot. Yeah. I had a M3. So it was a specialty version. It was sort of a racing version of the three series that was so nice. The engine was just, it was just, oh, it was so throaty. I've had people when I'm on the side of the road, just starting on the, the, the light turns green and people immediately turn to hear the, you know, the engine. They're staring at the car and the wheels were separate. Robbie from I'm getting motorcycle like nerdy like you are yeah yeah the wheels oh no I love car special edition yeah special edition I had people saying at stoplight saying excuse me can I buy those off of you right I'm like no I what am I going to replace them with I'll pay a 2000 I go no dude just go find them elsewhere I so buy and go buy the car they were expensive my 300 ZX it was the 30th anniversary edition and it had a turbo and I was super excited that I had Pirelli

Oh, yeah, nice tires too. Look at you guys nerding out. Yes. It was a guy magnet. It was, they were all silver because they were special. I think they only made like 5,000 of them. So it was limited edition then? Yeah.

Okay. Oh, yeah. It was my paper dolls check. The pilot bought my car. Oh, my God. But when it became Nissan and it was a Nissan 300 ZX, that went into mass production. It wasn't limited edition at that point. No.

No. Anyone can grab one. It's funny now to look back at that car and see how kind of boxy it is. Right. Right. But at the time, it was super modern. Super modern. Yeah.

And the lights coming up. You should find it. And get it. Buy it again. Buy it again. Yes. Have one. I'm sure you could find it.

I got hit on my way to work in that car. Oh, no. Yes. I was on my way to my first, I think it was my first fitting for Deep Space Nine. And I was making a less. on to fountain from, I think, Fairfax, because I lived on Fairfax. West Hollywood over there.

Yeah. And this guy ran the light. Yeah, ran the light. Smashed right into me. My car was total. Bobby Delacantina came to get me in the Paramount van. Recognize the guy. And he said, that guy's an extra.

He's going to sue you. As soon as he's. Oh, no. Because he saw it. Oh, my. He was an extra on DS9? No, no. Not on Deep Space 9, but he was an extra that Bobby Delis and Tina recognized.

Recognized. Okay. Yes. And when I got served papers, it was like on a Saturday morning or something. Oh, my gosh. Right? This guy serves me. He said, I'm so sorry, Ms. Farrell.

Oh. I was just like, okay, now this guy recognizes me. We haven't even done anything. That's funny. Your car stories are very exciting, but they're still not as cool as my Cub Cadet snowplow. So I just want to say. Club Cadet. With all the, you know what?

I agree. I would love to see you operate that. We've got some birthdays today. Yeah, we do. We do. Well, we have a birthday this week. It is Damien O'Donnell, whose birthday is on April 8th. Happy birthday, Damien.

Happy birthday, Damien. Happy birthday to Damien O'Donnell. Poetry time. Yes, I have a limerick for the episode, a simple investigation. Here we go. A shapeshifter who only knew how to stand guard found that feelings began hitting him hard. In Arisa's embrace, love found its place. Very risky for a heart battle scarred. Oh, that's so good. Look at you. Oh, yeah. Bam, bam, bam, take it. Oh, my God. Yeah. Drink up the press. That was amazing.

You're getting too good. I think you need to like lower it. Well, I did feel for Odo in this episode. You know, he's been through so much pain in his life. He's like averse to love. He doesn't want to feel his feelings because he doesn't know what to do with them. No. And the bottom line is if that woman was not married, spoiler, he would be with her.

Yes. You're supposed to say spoiler first, I think. Yeah, you have to say spoiler and then say the thing. Yeah. Because now they've heard it. Yeah, but that's all right. All right. Wait, Terry, you have a poem?

I do. So we're going to lower that bar right now. Now, now. No self-critique. Okay. No, no. But this was a tough one. Smooth, beautiful, and a liar to boot.

Wrapped around her finger, not a chance has our sleuth. Deeply protective. He takes her to his lair, losing his heart to a spy. Be careful. Take care. Pain is inevitable when the truth is revealed. Their love was on fire intensely sealed. Ooh.

That's so good. How can you say that? Yeah, that was very good. Oh, my gosh. Criticism on that at all. Because I've been working on this since last night, and you can imagine the amount of paper in my living room, you start writing and then like, oh, Nah, not that. Wait,

start over again. Yeah. They are. I love you called Odo's quarters his lair. Yeah. Right. Lurring her in. Yeah.

It was very creative. It was definitely very creative. Very cool. Thank you. Good job. Aiku time. Aiku time. Here is my haiku for a simple investigation.

Mystery woman. Odo falls head over heels. temporary bliss. Oh. Yeah. It's sad. It is sad for him. It really is.

It's sad, but it's a step towards dealing with his feelings. So that's what... Yes. That's what this is supposed to be. The last scene was sad.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's get the logistics down. It's written by Renee Eshavaria. Woohoo. Directed by John Kretschmer, who also directed Voyager episodes

and who was also married to my friend from the UCLA Theater Department. Guest ours, we have Day Young as Arissa, John Durbin as Trady, Nicholas Worth as Sorm, Randy Mokie as Idanian

operative. When they said Idanian on the episode, Megan said, oh my God, that sounds like Jadanian, which is my hybrid of Danny, Janet, and Ian. Because we have Sabreilu, right? And then we have

Judanian. So it sounds like Idanian. It's very close. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right. Co-stars, Brandt Cotton as Idanian. Yes. Random I suppose. Okay. Trivia. Inspired by the 1952, Richard Fleischer film, The Narrow Margin. In the movie, Charles McGrath plays an officer who is assigned to escort Marie Windsor to a trial where she is a key witness over the film he falls in love with her, even though he shouldn't.

At the end of the film, it has discovered that Windsor is also a cop and had been acting as a decoy for the real witness who was escorted to the trial differently. So there's the, you know, the inspiration behind the idea or the story plotline for this episode.

She definitely had that 50s vibe. She did in a way. Yeah, that sort of like film noir sort of, it was very film noir this episode. I wonder if they told her like, hey, this is based on the 1952 film narrow margin, and she went off and watched it and then kind of studied that. I feel like Star Trek often does this sort of film noir inspired episodes where there's a mystery. And it's, you know, I did want to say about Day Young, who plays Arisa,

that she was on a next generation episode called The Masterpiece Society. So she'd already done Trek before this. Okay. Another interesting connection to Trek is she was a waitress in the movie Space Balls that Tim Russ was also in. Whoa. Yeah. Also about Day Young, her older sister is named Lee Taylor Young. I don't know if you know that actress, but she was also in Deep Space Nine.

So she and her sister were both on Deep Space Nine. That might be a record. That might be a record. I mean, I don't know of siblings that have been on Voyager, that's for sure. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yes. Yeah. Cool. Wow. All righty. So we start off in some guest quarters on Deep Space Nine. We see an Idanian, an Idanian alien who is wearing some type of hood thing. It was almost medieval looking. Like I look like a monk. Yeah, there you go. I thought he looked cool. So it looked pretty sleek. It almost looked like, you know, I've been watching the Olympics and it almost looked like it could be something for the Olympics for ski jumping or something. I don't know, more aerodynamic.

Like a sports jacket, a warm up jacket. Yeah, something like that. for the, you know, the Bolivian team. Yeah, warm-up jacket. Anyway, so he's looking through some stuff. He seems a little nervous, though. The doorbell rings. And he opens, the door opens, and these two guys just sort of just muscle their way in.

In hindsight, after seeing this episode, I started thinking, if you're a spy or like a CIA kind of person, don't you have any hand-to-hand combat skills? It just seemed like he was just not doing anything. But they push him around. He's knocked to the ground And they're asking him If he has what they need

They're not even sure If this is the right person Do we have the wrong person You know Where's this crystal? They're asking They're looking for a specific item As the he is on the ground

The Adanian then pulls out a phaser About to shoot them But one of the two members of the Sorm Is it Storm that does it? Yeah Soarm is the one that ends up shooting him I don't know. It was weird because when he says, oh, I thought it was on stun.

Just the way he said it was like evil, you know, mastermind guy. But then later, he's the dummy guy. So it was like it was, he was not consistent, right? I felt like they made these guys comedic. And I think that was a big mistake because they are the threat in the end. They weren't threatening. No, they were buffoons. It was ridiculous.

They should have been scary. And also seven bad guys. Right. They wanted them to be so, the whole comedic edge, you could see the influence, the comedic influence, especially from the get-go in the casting. They cast it a very, Laurel Hardy, Abbott Castella. Yes, exactly. Thin, face one, taller, and then the heavier rounder. It was literally Laurel and Hardy, right?

And they were scary looking. They were really off-putting looking. They were. Yeah. But again, it was inconsistent for me. He started off sounding like he was the boss, but then later he, you know, You find out he's more the oaf guy that's, you know, the gentle giant doesn't know what he's doing. You said that.

You're absolutely right. Yeah. So that off, right off the bat kind of pulled me out. I was like, what's happening here? They say at the end of the scene, they're going to wait for this woman that he was going to meet. So they're going to wait in these quarters. So then we go up to corks and also, how did they know he didn't have the item on him? So you vaporize him and you vaporize everything on him.

Yes. Yeah. Because when he hid that thing in his arm, in his sleeve, I mean. Yeah, he wasn't, they weren't thinking. I thought that was the item they were looking for because he was hiding. Oh, the one that he pulled out. Yeah. I didn't know.

It was a. Yeah. Well, yeah, he pulled it out, but it happened so fast. This episode is starting off with a lot of holes in it for us. Oh, my gosh. Which I think is a, you know, is a foreshadowing of our. It's not a good shadow. That's for sure.

Not a good shadow. Well, we go to Quarks next. And Dax, Bashir, Odo, and O'Brien are talking about this hollow program that's finally arrived and it's based on Bashir's Secret Agent series which by the way I read that they were threatened with a lawsuit by United Artists.

Yeah. Yes, I did. That's insane. So that's why they talk about this secret agent series but they don't really write a lot for it because United Artists or whoever had said we're going to sue you for stealing.

Over the 007 link. Yeah, the James Bond. What's the other episode? I remember thinking. My man, Bashar or something. Or man, Bershueger. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember thinking, dang it. Yeah. We get to talk about it and I don't get to do it. I was so excited. Yeah. You think that was part of their fear? They thought, okay, if we show the action, they're definitely going to sue us. If we talk about it, they're not going to say anything.

Yes. Yeah. You can't do anything about somebody talking about. Yeah. Everybody wants to try this game. Odo arrives. He said, you know, did you want to see me? And Bashir tells him about the game.

wants him to play, but Odo's not really into it. And Odo backs out. Otto was in a weird mood, too. She was. Yeah, it was kind of, it threw me. The other bizarre behavior, you're about to say it, is they, you know, when Odo leaves, it's O'Brien who says, oh, I'll jump into the role of, and after he sees the photo. Yeah.

Of the woman, which I thought, that made me laugh out loud. It was weird. Because you're a married man, and all of a sudden, he's like, hubba, hubba, I'm going to go for this one. It's like it was just bizarre behavior. I thought for O'Brien. Well, he doesn't seem like he's lascivious. So it was odd for him to act that way.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it was strange. Well, Oda, when he sees the woman, he doesn't want to deal with romance. So that's why he doesn't want to play the game. Miles is a dog. And he definitely wants to play that part. And then we go over to the bar and we meet ERISA, who's this attractive woman.

She's waiting for someone. Quark is trying to sell her something or he's coming on very hard in this scene with the drink and, you know, all that. Is that his drink? It's got to be because he like stirs it. Yeah, and puts his finger in his. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That was. I figured it had to be. Well, it's funny because that's cork trying to flirt and give his best Zoolander look, stare at her. Yeah. And then he did. And then the whole finger thing, he's trying to be. seductive and it's like, oh my gosh.

But I don't know if he's trying to seduce her as much as just get her to buy something. He's trying to sell her the Holliswee. Trying to make profit there. Horizon tapestry. He's just pressing too hard. Yeah. Yes. Odo comes over and tries to intervene for a second and then she tells Quirk that he should

probably keep an eye on his business and she points out this cheater. We see the POV of somebody cheating on Dabo. Yeah. And then I love that. Quark runs off to, you know, not lose more money. Yeah, that was super cool. So there was a guy on the upper level, like the mezzanine level, and ERISA says he's got a graviton emitter, which is affecting the dobbot table.

Yeah. And he's helping his friend out. And of course, they made that guy an alien and a matching alien at the dobble table, who is, we cut to that shot of him being paid all of these bars of latinum. And I thought, wow, there's cheating going on in the future, too. It's like, yeah. Yeah. So cork runs off.

And then she accuses Odo. of flirting, basically assumes that he's going to flirt with her because he's got bedroom eyes, she says. Yeah. And once she says that, Odo gets very nervous and uncomfortable. And he nearly walks into the wall and leaves. But we see the assassins

as he's leaving. We see the assassins sitting in the bar. This whole initial interchange between Odo and ERISA, I felt there was a lot of opportunity for the director to sort of fine-tune this performance. And it was just all over the place. I was like, what is happening here? And it was a bit confusing, to be perfectly honest.

So, yeah. Yeah, she was assuming a lot of things, but it's a classic sort of film noir, femme fatale, you know, she's playing the seductress. She's leaning into seduction and sexuality very quickly. And it's just, it feels like tropes to me right away. Right. But that very first, I just, I'm so sorry. Odo says, are you waiting for someone?

Arisa says, then she answers you. And she has this. And then she goes, where have you been all my life? No, it was supposed to be, are you waiting for someone? She was supposed to say, you, where have you been all my life? It was supposed to be one thought. It got separated into two by the actress, which should have been caught by Kretschmer, which he didn't catch it.

So I'm sorry. I'm being very specific. That's an interesting note. But yes, it makes a big difference. Totally it was off. Because that she was serious. It was like. It was like, huh?

Yeah, it was a little bizarre. Way too forward. Mm-hmm. And it seemed like a lie right away. Yes. So if she was more playful with it, I think it would have changed it, you know. Yes, because if she said bedroom eyes even playfully, then later when she references it, then it would seem to make more sense that she said, no, except for when I said that you had

bedroom eyes, I meant that. Yes. Because this just was super often. If I was in Odo shoes and she spoke to me like that, I would think she's a creepy, scary woman like something. She has some weird agenda. Why would I be attracted to that? Yes.

And you're playing me. Yes. You're playing me to me. It's like, I'm going to make fun of you later. All my friends are going to laugh. Yes, exactly. That's how it felt.

Yes. What would you keep talking to the mean girl, you know? Well, maybe that. Did you not see it in dailies? Yeah, I know. Exactly. Sorry, Robbie. Maybe what?

Oh, I was just going to say maybe that sort of turn for the character. Maybe Kretschmer was going for the mean girl thing at first. Yes. And then she sort of falls for Odo in, you know, authentically as the, as the thing goes on. Oh, okay. So he started one way. He's playing him, but then she realizes, no, he's a really nice guy and stops. I don't know if that's what they were going for, but maybe.

I don't know. It felt like it was the same note all the way through. Yeah, you could play him, but be playful about it. the play. Yes. Yes. Yes. Add some colors. Yeah. All right. So we go to Cargo Bay next. And I was confused at the top of the scene because Odo's looking at boxes and then the boxes keep getting pulled away. And I was like, why is he, is he hiding from someone? Yeah. But he was looking at his inventory. I did too. Looking for some, you know. An anomaly in the. Yeah. Would you have started a tight on the reflection? Then Robbie had then pulled back without help you. I just didn't get the reflection.

But in a real mirror. Or. in a real reflection. Hey, guys, here's a strange, crazy idea. As a changeling, couldn't he make a mirror out of his hand? Hello. Yes, he could. I did like the boxes that got rolled away. That was a funny running bit.

Kira comes in, asks what he's doing, because it is odd. He reluctantly sort of tells her, you know, do I have bedroom eyes? And Kira responds, the woman is very perceptive. So she's kind of flirting back a little here. Did you feel that? A little bit, yeah. I think throughout and later. She's noticing that he.

She doesn't go in with the laughs like everybody else. No, I just thought she was BFF, you know, giving advice. Oh, yeah. I didn't feel like she was trying to flirt with Odo, like, or she was jealous. I felt like a little bit. There was. Yeah. Okay.

Like when she says, you know, you should go see her again. It was a little reluctant. Like, okay. You know. Tell me about this woman. But I don't really want this. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there was, I think that her performance was nuanced. Yes. I'll buy that. Yes, I agree. She tells Odo to see the woman again. Odo finishes the scene looking at his reflection again.

And we cut to the security office where ERISA is waiting for Odo. She has a data port in her neck in the scene. I'm sorry. We've never seen this before in Star Trek. What the heck? I mean, how do you get, anybody can get that? What? And just, I don't know.

It should be black market kind of thing. Yes. And it should be covered up. Like, why are you keeping it open like that to the air? Yeah. So everyone can see it. Well, it was covered by her hair most of the time, right? You need like a band-aid or something to cover it over, like an eye patch for your throat.

Like a little hatch. A little hatch. You need a little hatch. A little hatch that, oh, skin-colored hatch. Well, she says she says she grew up on Finia Prime and she learned not to trust policemen. I was so confused by these aliens. Like, what kind of alien is she? I don't get it.

She's a human. She looks human. She does. And she's talking about Finia Prime. So I did a little research. Finia Prime, I think, is, most of these aliens are only referenced in this episode that I was, could see. Finia Prime is like a rough planet. They've got some technology, but it's run by gangsters.

That's where our two henchmen come from, Finia Prime. They're Finneans. The Adanians are another planet that we only hear about in this episode. but they're basically super smart. They get information, but they're very secretive. Like they're all spies, basically. And that's what she is, but we don't know that about her yet. Exactly.

We don't know that about it. She looks human. She looks like she's from her. Yeah, she really does. Which confused me. Yes, it's definitely confusing. But after seeing everything, so does this sound correct? As an Idanian, she went undercover in the Orion or a syndicate, the Orion Mafia.

Which is after she ends, yes. After she gathered all this information and after years of serving with them, all her memories were placed into a crystal. She was then programmed to think she was a completely different human being and then sent to go find. Different being. Yeah. We'll get there. But that's why I started looking up these aliens because I'm like, I don't understand. Right.

Yeah. How are they related? It was too much to introduce, I think. It was a lot. And she's human, which didn't fit either one. That was never clear to me why she looked human. Then why doesn't she look like the Finian? She should look like a Finian, yes.

And with those dots, but then, or whatever, those nose holes. It showed Finians as those guys. The henchmen are Finians. The henchmen are Finians. Yes. Yes. But she's, but she's not Finian. She went.

Oh, so she said she grew up as what we're saying. That's why it's confusing because she said she grew up on Phinea. But she doesn't look like a finian. You grow up on Phinea if she's a human with the data port. It doesn't make sense. All right. So we do learn in this scene that COVID, the guy who was killed, was well known for finding people. And that's why she was meeting him because he was going to help her locate her daughter that she gave up when her daughter was born 15 years ago.

And that's what this is all about. I didn't buy it. No. That's what she says. And Odo does buy it in this scene, which is. surprising to me because he's usually much smarter than this. But when someone says bedroom eyes, she put a spell on him. Oh my God, did she put a spell on him?

You can't even see what's up or down now. Yeah. Well, Odo takes her to go find this guy, what's his name, Tavid, the guy that got killed. They go to his door, nobody answers. But Odo says, I can see he should be there. He never left. He went in the room, but never left. They go inside.

They look around. and Odo finds the vaporized remains on the floor. Yeah, he sees that they try to cover it with that chair moved over. But he sees the indentation on the carpet. He's like, uh-huh. Sneaky peeler. He's a gum shoe. He's going to figure out this crime.

Maybe he should figure out that she's a liar. Honest to Pete, I didn't believe for a second he didn't pick up on that. Maybe he should figure out that she's a liar. Honestly. Love is blind. You can't even see when we're a love. Oh, well, yes, we've all been there. We've all been there.

We can get the wrong other. Shamefully so and proudly. So we joined a very popular group called the world, human beings. This is a very relatable episode for most people. Okay. For almost everybody. All right. So he's just lost his brain.

Yes. Or whatever changelings have brains or whatever they have. He lost his fluid. He's lost it. We go to security office. Yes, Odo has figured out that the residue is a Danian. It's probably. probably Tovid.

And ERISA is at a dead end with her daughter now. She's going to have to start over. She's getting more Odo's sympathy here. Odo does say in the scene, he won't press charges for breaking into his computer. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. She's got her data port.

She broke in the computer. She did all kinds. She didn't get info, though. That's why he says he's not going to press charges. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But. Still.

Still. Still. All right. Because you have a good lock. If you're trying to break. break into somebody's house, wouldn't you still get in trouble? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Bedroom eyes. There's something called attempted murder, attempted, attempted robbery. Attempted breaking in the computer. Yes. Well, he says, good luck with your daughter. We go out to a corridor. And there she is, plugging herself her data port into a panel, getting the essay office records for Tovid Rim.

So she's looking to see if he left something, I guess, check something in a locker or something like that. Very sneaky. I was thinking was that information that she picked up in his office? Because that's how it felt to me, like, because she just left him. Then suddenly she's in the computer looking at stuff. Right? Yeah.

This is the corridor right outside his office that she's doing this. Yes. That's very bold. She's playing him. Yes. Yes. Well, we go to the promenade. Cork is closing up the bar when there's a knock from the inside.

side of the palm. Oh, my God. Morn. That was cute. Yeah, it was cute. Morn comes out of the bar. Cork says, Morn, we're closed. Go home.

Oh, my God. As Morn stumbles home, we reveals Arisa coming out of somewhere. And Odo has been following her. He knows that she's up to something. Finally, he's acting like the real Odo we know. And he says in the scene, we may have to strip search you. That's out of character. Seriously.

Right? But she holds out a chip that she found. Yeah, but her response was like, that might be fun. So to the strip search. Yes, but in the interest of saving time, here's what I got. Here's what I got. Yeah. And she's got the data crystal.

Yeah. We go to commercial. We come back and we're in the security office. Odo says the crystal is going to be very hard to decode. He also finally says he knows that she's been lying to him. Thank God he said that. And that's an example to me of like, If somebody does something out of character, I'll buy it when they acknowledge.

Like, hey, I've, you know. So here he finally acknowledges. I'm not stupid. I know you've been lying to me, which helped me a lot. Good. Yeah, she admits that she has been working for this guy, Drain, a Phinean. Do you find it kind of like her tone doesn't change at all? Yeah.

So when I was watching the first time I felt like she's still lying. Yeah. Because there was no, I needed to, I think I needed to see her feel like, like some resolve or more relaxed or some turn. Or more sincere or something. Yes. Yeah. Instead, but the same tone still felt like she was lying. Yeah.

I agree. And no, I don't think it says what race he is. I was looking all around. No, I don't think it does. He's with the Orion syndicate. Yeah. He could be anything. Dream guy.

Assume he's Phinean since they're all criminals. Right. Nere dwells, as Armin might say. Yeah. Nair dwells. I love that. Yeah. Plus, if he's part of that kind of syndicate, he's probably been in it all his life.

Yeah. You don't just pop in from another planet and create that. No, it's a family business. Yeah. Yeah. My name is DREAM. They sound like a Sikh Drain, but it's DREAM. Yes.

All right. Well, she talks about working for Drain in the Orion syndicate, and she says she wants out. And Tovid was going to help her. And Odo decides to put her in protective custody until they see what's on this chip. So that's what he's going to do. I think this is also the same scene at the very end where she's not sure why he is helping her. She's like, why are you helping me? Is this out of your kindness of your heart? And Odo's like, I don't have a heart. She could have fooled me. So it's now this rom-com basically. It's totally this episode jumps all over the place. It does. All over the place.

Yeah, it does. There's part of me that I liked it. The inconsistencies? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's understood.

And him almost walking into a wall was weird. It's like, no, he's more composed. He could still be affected, but. Yeah. What, like he's 17? He almost walks into a wall. It might be a fun conversation to have, but to watch it, it just felt like I don't believe him either.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of people just loved seeing him actually have some romance. That gets some points for me, for sure. Yeah, for sure. And he did a great job. Yeah. Yes, he did, actually.

I think that, yeah, I think that Renee was superb in this. Cargo Bay is next. Trady brings in some takeaway food in a plastic. It looked like something you get from DoorDash. I was like, what's just a wrap? Didn't it just look like a wrap? No, it was in a plastic, but he takes the plastic to go thing off. It looked like.

They have wraps, half-wraps sandwiches. And then the wraps, yeah. Yeah. And it's Hasparet. Hasparat. Hasparat is that Bajoran delicacies. But I didn't know it was in a wrap. DoorDash version is in a wrap. Yeah.

Yes. So they can just remotely order from where they're at in the cargo bay. I guess so. No, he went to get it. Oh, he went to get it from, okay. Yeah. He met the DoorDash person. Something more bizarre looking.

He met the DoorDash person at the airlock, clearly. He checked on the on the app, leave it at the door dash. door. Right. And then he came in with it. He came and got it. It's a silly short scene where basically they're talking about, you know, we'll wait for her, get the crystal, and then we'll kill her. But it just was goofy. It was stupid. To go containers. They look like idiots. And there was no threat. Which to me, this is one of the biggest downsides of this episode is they should have been a threat. You can have all the romance. I would have bought into Odo not being as smart as he normally is.

But there was never any jeopardy. I never felt seriously like anyone was in jeopardy. No, it should have felt like they were assassins. And this is what they do all the time in their coolest steal. Yep. Yeah. And they should have looked less like assassins in terms of their garb of what they were wearing. They should have been kind of posing as monks or something.

They looked like clowns. How would you not notice them with that crazy hair? And their goofy, idiotic responses to everything. And they're a new alien. haven't seen before, everybody in the promenade would notice that. That's true. It's true. They stand out. Yeah. We go to the guest quarters. Oda's walking her into protective custody, but he says, don't get too used to this. You're not staying here. And he beams them into his quarters. His layer. Yes. And the thinking is that if anyone's trying to track her, they'll think she's in her

quarters, but he's really beamed her to his room, so they won't know where she's at. I thought that was cool. Yeah, clever. Clever. He says that she can use his bed because he doesn't need it. And it'll be safe here. He can just regenerate in the bucket, keep an eye out to protect her. And then she tells her story, basically.

She's got a long story about how she was a neck girl. And she told herself she wasn't selling her body since there was no actual contact. She says something about them being in my mind. Yeah, she says, I let them into my mind for money. And Drain was one of those people. That's how she met Drain. And then he paid me more than I'd ever seen before, she says. And I was removed from the consequences of what I was doing.

So it's easy to pretend I wasn't hurting anyone. Classic film noir, Fem Fetal. I still didn't feel like they were connected. There was something about the way she was telling the story and not making eye contact. And then when she did make eye contact, it was super serious. And I kind of mean that all the way through it. It was just disconnected to me. Odo buys it, hook line and sinker, I think.

Yes, he does. I will protect you. I will be your knight in shining armor. And that's what he wants. Yeah. So how do we know, you know what he mean? He does say in this that he's seeing a bit of himself in her situation because he says, I never had the courage myself to walk away from the Kardashians.

So I like that little detail that, oh, he's seeing a victim of, some aliens that took advantage of him the way that these Phineans or this Orion syndicate took advantage of her. So he can understand how she got caught up and did things that were not only illegal but hurt other people. Yeah. He did the same. Yeah.

He does call her beautiful at the end of the scene, too. But then he apologizes. Yeah, that was funny. I thought they were going to kiss at the end of this scene. Yes, I did too. Yeah. Yeah. There was a moment.

Yes. he's yeah he says especially when I when what they see is so beautiful I'm sorry I merely meant she's like no don't apologize yet felt right there right there yeah kiss was going to happen yeah yeah and then Odo basically just you know he kiboshes himself yeah he's like well yeah I'm gonna go see if they made any progress on decoding the crystal bye he pulls a ROM he pulls a he pulls a rock yes he was affected by ROM from the prior episode the same kind of nervous Can't pull the trigger. Yes.

Yeah. Well, he gets over that. He does. They both do. We go into the Hall of Suite, Bashir's program. He's seducing a woman in the limo. I love the beginning of this. And he's taking off her parachute in the limo.

She's got a gown on and he says, extraordinary. You just jumped out of an airplane at 20,000 feet. And yet there's not a hair on your head out of place. I laughed out loud. It was very funny. Oh, my gosh. It was.

And to me, what was funny is then, is then Odo pops his head in and the car's still moving but Odo isn't so it's Is this where O'Brien goes like he's in character and he goes oh hi Odo like that he just he breaks character doesn't I say that yeah yeah it's like the limo's moving all the characters can just pop in that is funny Odo hops in she he says can I talk to you for a minute to Bashir she hops out I thought they were going to get out and let her stay in the limo it was just like Like, oh, my God, how rude to do to her. Just get out.

It's raining. Get out of the limiter. She's a hollow character. Yeah. So stand on the side of the road. Yeah. He asks, how does Julian know when a woman is interested is what Odo wants to know? Yeah.

Julian knows immediately it's about, he goes, is this about bedroom eyes? Yeah. And Odo's embarrassed. Yeah, he's like, you know too? Yeah. Julian says, everybody knows. And Julian tells Odo that you can't be afraid of having your heartbroken. that missing a chance for love is much worse than the pain of heartbreak,

which is kind of a true idea and relatable idea and great, great advice. And I'm glad they put that in and gave Bashir a moment to be a little deeper than we normally see him. I think that's a, yeah. And especially helping Odo. Yeah, yeah, this is where Miles pops in with a gun in the eye patch as Falcon. Or Falcon. Yeah. And Bashir's going, it doesn't count.

I was talking to Odo. Yes. Yes. He's like a little kid right there when he says. Time out in the pretend. Yes. This is where I was going to talk about James Bond being sued. But it's MGM.

Not United Artis. Yeah, not UA, but MGM. Well, did they flip back and forth, though? Maybe UA was a subsidiary of MGM. Yes. They're all together then. Oh. They've been bought out by MGM.

Good point. But yeah, this is all this. could do was be in a limo and not really do much James Bond. That's hilarious. That is so funny. We go to Odo's quarters next. Arisa is up. She can't sleep because she wants to know what's in the crystal. Very, very seductive scene. They talk about his detective book that he's reading. He says, but tonight he doesn't really feel like reading. Maybe they could talk. And all of these, this is a very slow scene, all these lines, lots of subtext. because they kiss, they end up kissing at the end of this scene.

Which I couldn't help think about his makeup. I know. I saw his nose. I thought they did a great job around his neck, though. Oh, you did. Yeah, I saw the rubber move on his face a little, a little bit. Ah, that's so maddening. Oh, wait, can I ask this?

Did she say the bedroomized thing again, or did we miss that scene? Because I wanted to say something. Oh, I think we missed that. We did. Okay. in that, okay, I just want to say this because there's a tell that people do when they're lying, you know, and when she said that,

but I meant it about you having and she went, bedramize, but she didn't say bettermise to him and she had that little flutter like people do when they're lying. You know what I mean? Yes. But that's the actress playing. the scene. So these are those moments that just drive me insane when I'm watching something,

when I don't know, was that the actor's choice? Was it just not a great choice for that scene? Was it something the director just didn't see? Or was it intentional? Because when I saw that, that was a tell that people do when they lie, and I went, she's still lying. Because that's what it telegraphed to me. Interesting. Can I read some trivia to both of you? here. Yes, please. Renee had to shave his entire upper body for this scene. Shamed a doll.

I thought that was weird. I mean, I've seen him in shirts. I was like, that doesn't look like his body. I mean, not that I've seen him naked. No, but he has chest hair. You can see that, and it's not there. Obviously, it's all gone. Also, the writers had originally planned for Odo to have a sexual relationship with

Shalon Oroya early in the fifth season while he was still a humanoid, but they felt that She wasn't right for him when she was introduced in Broken Link, the episode Broken Link. So they altered their plans. By the time they got around to doing an Odo relationship story, however, he had regained his shape-shifting abilities. This was something that displeased Ronald D. Moore. Quote, I wish we'd done the show while Odo was still human. If he had been human, the relationship with this woman would have carried a little more weight. And I agree.

I do. Yeah. I do. I was thinking, thank God, he read all those books. Remember when Kira picked up the... Yes. You should keep reading these. Love Slave book.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Romance novels. Renee Eshavaria's original tellplay. There was a scene where ERISA comes out of Odo's bedroom and finds Odo regenerating. She walks over to him and touches him or the liquid and he morphs onto her. Eshavaria was especially proud of this scene, but Ira felt it was thematically more important for this particular episode that Odo make love as a humanoid.

this may have been where that scene was. No, I bet it was. I bet it was. In the afterglow scene, Odo does share that she is the first woman he's ever been close with, the first human. He does admit that once on his planet, he had a similar experience that you might call sexual. And she shares in this scene that she's worried she's going to always have to look over her shoulder. She'll never be free of this. Of the Orion Syndicate.

Of the Orion Syndicate, yeah. Mm-hmm. And then they decide, you know what, let's not talk about. that. Let's be in the here and now with each other. They start to make love again. You see his hand sort of change into the shimmering changeling. Yeah. Because it's kind of important. He says it was that whole experience he had. And he talks, she asked him about what that was. And it was with another changeling. Our bodies became intermingled. And she said, that sounds nice. Too bad I'm not a changeling. He says, we shouldn't let that stop us.

what I loved was the pure ecstasy when he morphs into her hand. Yeah. She just, it's almost like she has. She had an orgasm, it seems. Yeah. She had an orgasm without other than his hand being. And it was,

I really believe that moment. Yes. She did a. Now I want to be with a changeling. Who wouldn't? Who wouldn't want to be with a changeling? That looks really good. Wow.

Terry's like, I'll take a side of that, please. Yeah. Okay. And all we have to do is hold hands. Yes. That's all we got to do? Oh, my gosh. I can keep my clothes on.

Great. Let's do it. Yeah. I just realized why he had to shave because he can't do the details. Yes. Which I also think, I was thinking about this when we were watching this episode. It's too bad that he didn't just get better and better at it. So eventually, Renee, au bourgeois, wouldn't have to wear the makeup.

Have to have the stuff on. Oh, my God. You're so good. Right. You're right. Because this thing, the fifth season, would have been more powerful, I think, and an easier take-in if he could still be a changeling, but look like Renee. But show the gradual process from the season to season where he gets less and less rubbery-looking and more human-looking until finally season six and seven. It's just Renee with slick back hair.

That's it, right? With his regular face. Oh, God, that's a great idea. Or maybe his hair isn't slick back because that's also part of, I can't do detail. Yes. And so he's more and more better at detail. Agreed. Yes. I like that. That would have been a really cool arc. You know what? When he turns into a falcon. Yes. Details. He should be practicing with more than that jungle gym thing.

Yeah. He should be practicing with. Like turning into the falcon. Maybe he has got different things. Anyway. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Good. You're with me. Good point. All right. Well, we go to ops next for a great Dax and Kira gossiping scene. Love this. Yes. Dax is sure something's going on. Kira thinks he's just being a constable. He's just trying to protect her. This is the tell about Kira not being okay with what's going on. Yes.

Oh, the dialogue here, she's saying that she's not happy about Odo being with this woman. It's just her attitude about it. She's like, no, it's not possible. He'd never do that. Okay, got it. Which is weird because she told him to go for it in the very beginning. She did. So maybe this scene was shot before the other scene.

Why isn't she acting like she's okay with it? Because she loves him unconsciously right now. There you go. But she should be trying to cover. Like she is happy for him, but not happy for him. Not happy for herself. There we go. Yeah.

Well, Worf doesn't like the gossiping. He thinks Odo can just take care of himself. And Cisco enters. Once to know where Odo is because Odo requested a briefing with Starfleet Intelligence, but he's late. and he's never late. So Dax fills him in a little bit when Odo arrives. Odo's a bit uncomfortable.

I like the, look, Avery and I shared with each other like, right? Like, good man. Good for him. Yeah. Like Curzon came out for a second. Homoda, homida. They go, uh, Cisco goes into his office with Odo after that great look with Dax. And we cut to Odo's quarters a little later.

Arisa is contacting Drain, trying to contact, not Drain, that would be Plummers. Drain. Dram. That's Drain's identical twin, yes. Yeah. Drain and Drain, the two. Yes.

She gets his identification code or, you know, she's got a data port in her neck. So she's good at all this hacking stuff. Yeah. She just sent a message. That's all. A subspace transmission. Let's talk to Drain. She DM'd him. She slid right into dreams. Deams. Yes.

Yeah. We go back to our bozos in the cargo bay. You actually wrote bozos on there. You did. And I agree. The bozos. But they kind of did look like clowns, their hair. They did. Yes. Well, they've made a deal with ERISA to get the crystal and let her go. But again, they say, but we're going to kill her. The gun pointing bit, I did not find very intimidating.

Did you remember when Sore or Soren, whatever? Yes. He had a gun and he puts it away. It just makes them look like doofuses. They're not a threat. I'm not worried that she's going to get killed because they don't look like they could do anything. No. And I don't think they're written or directed to the level that the show really should be out.

No. They're like doing a different show. They're in a different show. It's a Disney show. This bums me out. I like John Kretschmer. So this really bums me out. I don't know if it was John as much.

much as the scripting and the casting. It was all the things made them a complete non-threat. It felt like a Disney Channel kid show. Yes, definitely not all on John. We go to the security office next. An Adanian agent, who we haven't met before, enters to talk to Odo. He wants to assure that ERISA is safe. He's looking for her. He reveals that she is an agent for the Adanian government sent to infiltrate Dram's organization, this Orion Syndicate gang. But he says in the scene, she doesn't even know it because her real memories are stored in that data crystal. And he says, I'll explain the rest. Let's just go find her. So now it's starting to make sense. Yeah. Now that we know what's happening, it's a pretty cool storyline,

if you think about that. I mean, for her to get out, they erase all of her memories. It's on the crystal and it has to be re, you know, positioned in within her or whatever. I like all of that intention. I just don't think it played that way. Exactly. It didn't manifest in the way that this. I think they had high aspirations for this episode, but it kind of fell flat on a lot on a number of different areas. Yeah, I would say so. We go to the science lab next. We see Miles is on the floor kind of moaning. There's a deputy out. He does say that Arisa took the crystal. And the adanian says in the scene, it generates a distinctive signal. So we might be. able to track it. But I was wondering, did Arisa come in and beat up Miles and the deputy and steal

the crystal? Why? Seems unnecessary. Well, yeah. I mean. Why are they on the floor? They got beat up by somebody. Yeah, but but but it had to be her. She's just by herself taking the crystal. That's what I'm saying. Did the bozos beat them up? No. Okay. Because they're waiting for the crystal. Yeah. They just needed to have a reason how she got the crystal. To see her sneaking in and stealing it is more plausible than that she beat up O'Brien and whoever else was with him. Yeah, I didn't buy this at all. Like that she beat them both up. She's a data port.

She's a net girl. She's not a assassin. She doesn't have close hand-to-hand combat skills. Yeah. Yeah, we haven't really, they've never established that. You know what? You're right. That's a valid point.

Okay. Anyway, but that's what they say happens. She beat him up. Miles says she took the crystal. We go to cargo bay. This is definitely a, you know, meet the bad guys. This is where they're so they've been saying they're going to kill her. She brings the crystal in.

Trady says he's alone, but we know Sorum's hiding behind the. Okay. Holy cow. We find sort on the bad hiding. His head is taller than the cargo. And I was like, she's going to see the top of his head. What the hell? Yes.

Why not put one more thing on top? He's just saying there, you can't see me, you can't see me, you can't see me, you can't see me. You can't see me. That's all he's doing. Yeah. It's like this. You can't see me. You can't see me.

That's even better. That's what they should have done. Yeah. Yeah, Arisa says to Trady, is anyone else here? And he goes, no, just me. Not true. We cut out to the corridor. I did like this low angle as the drama's unfolding.

It's Odo and Adanian. Adan says, I've lost the signal. And we cut back into the cargo bay. Trady shows her that he has, no, weapons on him in this very dramatic circle around, goofy. Look up my sleeves. I got nothing. Again, Disney villain.

And then he says, your turn. And she does the same sort of thing and, like, wiggles her butt or something. And then touches her waist and her hips. But she could have had a gun between her legs. It just was not serious. It was not a serious. There was no threat. She probably goes, she turns around and wiggles her butt.

you might as well said she turned around and twerked is what she did yes it was well twerking would have been more interesting that's true but she hands over the crystal then soren pops out uh you know trady says don't leave to meet my friend storm pops out like why would she stop for that you said you were alone that would make me start back in a way or running i got to get out of here yeah yeah well on top of it you're alone you're a woman alone in a cargo bay with a stranger. Yes. And you're going to just go, who's that?

Like she's, what, 12, 13? She would have started backing away. Just as Sorems starts to power up his weapon to kill her. There's a noise. We look around. The door's shut, but no one's there. We look up and Odo has shape shifted onto the ceiling. I did like the drop down from the ceiling.

That was kind of cool. I was like, whoa. Actually, the doors were opening. That's right. Three cargo bays opened. The sound happens. Door one opens. They're like, what happened? No one's there.

Door two opens. And then Terry, a third door opens. And that's when we see the shot of Odo really cool waiting on the ceiling to drop down, like a ninja. Yes. That was very cool. Ninja Odo. Or Nizodo. Nizodo.

I love it. Nizodo's down. There's a fight here. Of course, Odo's great at fighting. And he wins and he saves his love. And then we have. have a nice push in on the crystal at the very end when ERISA says, I wish I knew what this was all about. We push in on the crystal.

We cut to the infirmary. We pull out of the crystal. So a little design transition there. Her data port is activated. And now Bashir's got to do the memory transfer. Yeah. So while the transfer is going on, Adainian explains the operation that they altered her memories, put her on Phinea. She woke up believing she was a different person.

She got all the information they wanted. And when they were ready to recall her, Tovid, the guy that got evaporated, made contact. That's why she did say, I don't know why. I feel like I know him. So some of that stuff is starting to make sense. I trusted him. I didn't know why.

Yeah. Yeah. I just want to backtrack very quickly. That fight, it's very funny because the final bozo is completely incapacitated. There's nothing he can do. And Odo takes an extra shot on him. him. Did you guys notice that? He was like, you're going to get one more punch. It's just out. Oh, yes. He was like, what the? And he was so protective and mad over what they were

about to do to his lover that he just kind of lost it, which we don't see ever happening with Odo going beyond more than what he has to do. You know what I'm saying? He's so no nonsense. So businesslike. And I thought, well, that's very interesting. He just exerts what's necessary. Yes. And in that case, it was overkill. Impassioned. Oh, yeah. So Bashir's doing the memory transfer, you know, Adanian does say with what she knows about the Orion syndicate, they could take them all down. So that's very, you know, she's a big deal. Yeah. She's her spy. But Odo's upset that she almost died and that they should have been more protective of her. Yeah. And then Bashir comes out and says, the transfer is complete. He's going to take her to surgery,

which I didn't understand why she needs surgery. No, and we wouldn't. Well, because no one's explained. Oh. It's surgery for put her back to Idanian. Yeah. Because she is Idanian. Remember she has a same look as the guy with the hoodie. That's why it would have been more helpful if they were aliens that we knew. That we knew.

We weren't working so hard to go, wait a minute, who is that and who is that? Understood. Yeah. Makes sense. Sometimes when there's too many moving parts that may be like super. She should have been boleian. Okay. That would have been easy.

If she was bollian and blue, we know what they look like. Yeah. Only we didn't see her being right. And she was going to be turned into. I'm with you. Yes, exactly. Okay. All right.

Well, we go to Odo's quarters after surgery. ERISA arrives to meet Odo. She has the alien features we talked about. Oh, and the gorgeous purple. Yes. Yeah. The dramatic lighting is well. Blackmun.

It was very film noir kind of shadows. Lots of shadows. And then we get close and her makeup is terrible. Oh, you could see the lines. You could see it in her eyebrow, not connecting. The lace on the eyebrow was not, you could definitely see it. You're right. Yes.

And the gentleman had the same kind of, the other Idanians had a dark blue. That purple on her just looked. She looked like a 1950s. Yes, she did. Oh, yeah, she did. She admits to Odo that she now knows she has a husband. She's very sorry. Odo says, it's not your fault.

he just fell in love with a woman who never really existed. Very sad. But ERISA responds. She says she did exist. She was real and she loved you in a way she still does. So I think that was the perfect answer because now Odo knows. In another lifetime, this would be his woman. This would be who he would betrothed.

Yeah. And when he says, well, I ever see you again. And she pauses for so long and you know the answers no, but it's so sweet that she says, I don't know. know. It was so much kinder than saying no. Yeah. You know, and that she'll never forget him. Yeah. And she emphasized that never at the very end. So it's, I think the writing in this final scene is good. I enjoy that. Yeah. My theme is it's better to have loved and felt the heartache of losing it than to live with a heart that never loved at all. So poetic. Basically the, it's better to have loved and lost than to never.

to never have loved it all. I like that. I do too. The beginning is a lot of hormones and not really love in its deepest form. I think it's attraction, infatuation, a lot of fantasy jumping. So slow down and don't trust it until you've been through at least six months. You've had your first fight. You know how you communicate.

Then you can call it love. but this is. This is hormones. This is changeling hormones. And it was a little bit of head games in the beginning, too. 100%. Yeah. Which is kind of like mine, which is get to know someone before allowing yourself to fall in love.

My other lesson is whenever someone rings a doorbell and you're a secret idan operative, please look through the P-P poll first. Terfair, you have our Patreon poll winner for theme slash moral slash lesson of this episode. I do. Submitted by Alex Ray. Love doesn't have to be fully real to have emotional consequences. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, yeah, that's great.

We've come to the end of our episode. Thank you to Tara Fair for joining us once again. Thank you, Ter Fair. Absolutely my pleasure. Thank you for having me. Of course. Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus material, a little bit more Terfair.

For everyone else, join us next time when we will be recapping and discussing the episode, Business as usual, with Monsieur Amin Shimaman. All right. Patreon Patience, we'll see you in a bit, and everyone else, we'll see you next time. Bye.