The Delta Flyers - Basics Part 1

Episode Date: February 15, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Basics, Part 1. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Basics, Part 1:On a mission to rescue Chakotay's son from Maje Culluh, Voyager is captured by the Kazon-Nistrim in a sneak attack.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca Jayne, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, and PJ TomasAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Robert Hess, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, William McEvoy, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Heather Chappelle, Heather Choe, Kelly Havlik, and Richard Sandnesaunet Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry. As we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager, your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil. Wow, that was very dramatic. Wow. I'm a really dramatic one. It was dramatic and it was kind of quiet and it was quiet enough that you may have heard my stomach growling. So I hope that's a bonus feature for all of you who want to hear my stomach growling.

I think I heard it. So don't do the quiet intros anymore because I may have things happening that we want to cover up with loud intros. and welcome to the Delta Flyer's stomach digestion. We're here at the season two finale of a Voyager Basics Part 1 is our episode this week. And yeah, I can't believe we've gotten through so many episodes already, so much that I have remembered and rewatched. And some of these episodes I've watched for the first time.

I don't think I've seen a lot of them. And so this has already been so much fun. Yeah. I just want to bring note to a tweet that I tweeted. I said, I'm sitting in the living room watching Megan Elise edit the next episode of the Delta Flyers. And I hear Keeley upstairs playing Roblox online with her friends and singing, My Anaconda don't want none unless you've got buns, hun.

so she's singing baby got back lyrics right and then i put hashtag 12 year old girl chatter okay now after i tweeted that robbie a fan then came back and said that he had alternate lines now you and robbie mcneal have to sing that in lieu of a haiku or limerick next episode or both preferably and then he comes up with these lines my balana don't want none unless you've got face tats hun get it face tests. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. All right.

We can mix it up a little. Well, just so everybody knows, in season three, Garrett and I will be swapping the haiku limerick assignments for season three. But we're going to try it. We're going to start out. We're going to try it. We're going to try it. Yeah.

I'm excited to hear your limericks because they're not easy. I'm just going to say they're not as easy as you got to be like relaxed. You just got to just breathe. figure out the rhythm and the rhyme and try to make sense of it. I'm excited to see your limericks because the haiku can be intentionally obtuse. It can be simple and intentionally kind of abstract and it still works. It seems deep and, you know, by the way, I've been inspired. We may have talked about this a little before, but yeah, we've been inspired by the haikus and

just doing my own little personal haiku adventure. So I'm really enjoying that. I'm excited to get into season three as with the haiku assignments. Yeah, it's really cool because you've actually taken this upon yourself to do this in your real life, which is, you know, it makes me feel like, hey, I did something that Bobby do the same thing in real life, which is really, really neat. It's added to my life, the haiku, this, yes, discovery of the haiku and the beauty of the haiku has added value to my life. Yeah. All right, man. So on that note, maybe we should go watch Basics Part 1, the finale of season 2.

Let's watch it. I'm excited. Patreon patrons, stay tuned for what do we remember? We are back from watching Basics Part 1. How exciting. It was very exciting. Now I know why Paris left. I know. I was in that moment. I'm like, oh my God, that's why he's not on the planet. And is he dead? That's the question.

Yeah, that is the question. I talk about... I won't know until we watch the next episode, whether he was survived or not. I will have no idea. Well, you know, I'm going to bet that he's still alive. I mean, I think I did more episodes, but I can't remember much, so maybe he died.

I don't know. We'll have to wait until next week. They just kept sending a paycheck for seasons 3, 4, 5, and 6, and 7. even though you were dead. That's the kind of job I want is just because they like me. Kim had a shrine to Paris for the rest of the seasons. There you go.

Well, I just want to begin by first saying that this episode, before we went to Lone Pine, we received a memo. When I say we, I mean Robert Beltron, Tim Russ, and myself received a memo from the production. I remember this, yeah.

Yeah, so I just, for those of you don't know, I'm going to say this story now. This memo essentially said, Tim, Robert, Garrett, we want you to know that we are concerned that we will be on location and we'll be staying in Lone Pine, and we're just very concerned that the Lone Pine population may be ambivalent towards those who are not Caucasian. So therefore, they recommended that if we went to town to eat or to grab a drink, that we would not go by ourselves, that we needed to be with a group of people to sort of help ensure our safety, which I thought, wow, I mean, at that time it was 1997, I guess, or 96, 97. And I was thinking, are you kidding me? Is this for real? did make a joke. I was joking around with Beltran. I said, the three of us, Tim, Robert and myself, we should go to the local saloon and just kick open the door and say, welcome. This is your new mayor, the treasurer and of the city, you know, and just sort of like say that make the announcement that we were, we were going to start running things. It is kind of crazy though that the studio and the producers felt like they had to let people know, let you guys

know in particular that this is a rougher town and you know may not be safe yeah i mean i think they did send the memo to i feel like everybody got the memo that this you know is a rougher town and just don't go by yourselves anywhere i think i feel like everybody got oh was it okay i think so i think it was for everybody but i think the conversation to you guys to to to people who were you know uh ethnically diverse, you know, whatever, brown people, Asian people that weren't Caucasian, that on top of it, just not being a very safe place to be, you know, by yourself, that you could encounter some racism and you could encounter some prejudice and you could encounter. I think that I, that's what I remember now that you bring up that story is that, yeah, because I think everybody was sort of warned,

hey, you know, stick together. It's a rough town. Nothing against Lone Pine now. I don't know how it is now, but certainly at that moment in time, it was maybe not a safe place to wander around by yourself. So I would have protected you, though. If I had been there, if I had been there, dude, I would have, I had your back, okay? Oh, yeah, I appreciate that. I know you would have, but I just, I don't recall it being a message to everybody. I thought it was specifically sent to us, but if you, if you saw it too, that's great. Yeah, I, I, I feel like the crew got the memo and everything, but I do remember them saying,

not only is it not a safe place, it's a place where they're not used to be a diverse looking group of people, like our cast and our crew. We're a diverse group of people. So I think that's something that's amazing about Star Trek, you know, just to jump on that subject for a second, since the beginning of Star Trek, since Roddenberry cast the first show, the original series.

it has been a show of inclusivity of diversity of you know there was no other show on television in 1969 or 68 or whatever year the first the original series started it was no what 66 there you go no other show on television that looked like Star Trek no not even close no so it's always been kind of ahead of its time and I even found in this episode episode, a lot of the Kazon, I mean, you know, Maj Kala and the Kazon's attitude towards women has always been consistent of, you know, this chauvinistic, misogynistic sort of attitude that the Kazon had. But for some reason, it jumped out of me even more, probably because he backhanded the captain. Yes. You know, and the way he spoke. And I was like thinking, wow, how ironic that on the

show, the Star Trek show with the first female captain, really making a point to put women in leadership positions that that character was behaving that way. I think it was intentional that they wanted to show sort of a contrast between who Star Trek is and what this particular group of aliens' attitudes towards women was. It's much more primitive, much less enlightened and ignorant attitude. Yeah. But just to add to what you were saying before, yes, Star Trek is definitely, since its inception in 1966, it has been the most inclusive.

But when you say IDIC, that is the Star Trek reference to infinite diversity and infinite combinations, right? So that's something that has been espoused by Roddenberry and people afterwards. So it's always been about inclusiveness. And just to update everybody on what happened, when we got to Lone Pine, once we got into town, we went to the local, whatever it was, the restaurants that we ate at or any place that with the 7-Eleven, the convenience store, we didn't see anything like that. So no one got called names, you know.

So I guess it was just a precautionary move on the part of production because I just felt it was a really small town mentality and kind of maybe possibly could have issues, you know. But I'm going to say for part two, something that did happen that was a little scary at the very end of filming of basics, part one, and part two. I'm going to save that for part two. Okay. All right. All right. So we've got to summarize our episode with a haiku and a limerick now.

So here we go. You want to give me your haiku first? Yeah. Okay. Here we go. A haiku for basics part one. SESCA sends message. Mission to rescue baby.

It's really a trap. Whoa. Whoa. Nice. You nailed it. That's what it is. That's what it is. All right.

I'm so excited to hear yours. I have to give credit to Rebecca Jane for this limer. Sometimes I get a little stumped and intimidated. and she saved the day. So here we go. Credit to Rebecca for this limerick. Here we go.

Chikote is his baby daddy. Souter is still acting catty. Tom leaves to save the day. Voyager's taken away. Maj Kala is really quite happy. Thank you. Well, thank Rebecca. Rebecca, you nailed it.

You're yours. I'm going to give it. One more ride just for fun. Yeah, yeah, let's hear it one more time. Chacote is a baby daddy. Souter is still acting caddy. Tom leaves to save the day. Voyager's taken away.

Maj Kala is really quite happy. There you go. It's good. It's good, right? It's worth that. It's good. Double dip. You saw my tweet to say happy birthday to Rebecca.

I did. I included the whole, the master of limericks kind of thing in there. So that was good. I'm very appreciative of Rebecca's brain power. Me too. In helping you. Me too. All right.

So this particular episode, yes, was written by Michael Pillar and directed, yes, by Rick Colby. Uh-huh. Yes. And Rick Colby, by the way, I got to say, it was so refreshing to see him on a big episode like this doing what he does, what he did best with us. us shooting beautiful, dynamic, compelling shots. I mean, you know, for example, when the whole crew is being taken hostage and, you know, herded up, his approach to filming that was so effective. It was so, you know, you felt like a member of the crew just being herded together and claustrophobic.

And I just think over and over again, Rick did a phenomenal job with the way he shot this episode. It was beautiful. It was a great episode. agree. It looks fantastic. So we start out with Souter, which I had forgotten Brad Doref was in this episode. Obviously, he's in part two because he's left in a very important place. But, yeah, that opening shot of him with, you know, working on the plant. And I was just like immediately, you know, drawn in, immediately excited about the episode. Brad's such a great actor and his character is just, is so good. So yes, as Souter genetically engineers the Tuvac orchid,

which is so nice to sort of, and so redeeming for his character to be so grateful and, you know, seems to be, you know, rehabilitating in a lot of great ways and doing really well. And Tuvok takes a real, you know, paternal, you know, care of him. And I thought that was wonderful. Yeah. Wonderful. Yeah. And you're right. I forgot about him too. I'm like, oh my God. He's still on the ship. Yeah. Well, confined to quarters, but he's still there. Yeah. Poor guy. I was thinking about that. Like, yeah, later on when we see him in his quarter or when Neelix comes in, he's just stuck in the quarters, I'm like, God, he's been stuck there all these episodes. Ooh, I know. Crazy. I know. But he had a lot of time to work on the orchids. And of course, that's the reason why he

was doing that is not because most murderers like to work on flowers, but because of the mine melding with Tuvok. He's taken on some of Tuk's interest or hobbies, right? So that's why he's doing that. We go to the bridge and there's a message from CESCA, which again, I thought Rick Colby did a great job

of shooting this, you know, this message from CESCA in such a great, authentic way that it felt like it felt very compelling. You know, the static look of it, the energy of the shot, her performance,

was very compelling and obviously, you know, leaves Chakotay in a very tough place. In such a tough place that he goes back to his quarters to utilize the vision quest, Akuchymoa process. He does the old Akuchymoa thing. Right before that, though, I got to say in Janeway's quarters, he talks with Janeway. And it was a reminder of two things. Rick Colby, the way he stages scenes with actors moving constantly. You know, he didn't do a lot of big wide shots and then just cut to a close up it's like one shot leads to another the actors are moving janeway was up high and then down low and um so i thought the staging and the filming of the scene was great the other thing that came to mind in that janeway and chakote

close talk a lot like janeway gets right up next to him and it's like chokote like there's a lot of whisper close talk it's like why why do people do that in real life well they do now after they've been stranded on a planet together do a bug bite virus now they're used to it right he's already massaged her back and they've already they've already clasped hands and he's already told her kind of that he loves her so yeah he should have told her he loves her he should have instead he said he knows what true peace true peace is yeah yeah peace in his native language is love. It's love, exactly.

Okay, so it goes into his dream, Makuchimoya style, and dad gives him a lesson on unconditional love, on family. Yeah, because his issue, what he's struggling with is unwanted pregnancy. He said this was forced upon him, you know. And then his father uses the analogy, or at least tells him the story of some of their ancestors when the, you know, Caucasians came in and murdered or they came in and raped and pillaged. And basically, a lot of the women of the tribe ended up giving birth to children that were half invaders and half, you know, theirs, basically. And what do they do with those children?

They accepted them and loved them like they were their own. And one of them ended up being a fabulous or great leader, yeah. leader yeah yeah so then we go into the briefing room to talk about what we're going to do as a team and i loved when you stepped up to the monitor and you were like excuse me doctor and you cut him off and then later on we hear his voice going uh can i say something now you turn about you look at the look on the doctor's face when i say excuse me doctor he's like he gives this one not as wide eyed as i just did but he kind of like he steps back a bit which is kind of funny you know for for him being a program to act like that but it is what it is um kim suggests echo displacement so that um it looks

like ships are coming to our aid as one way to uh fool the kazon attack um the doctor comes up with another suggestion of creating a holographic illusion of friendly ships which is really interesting as well um did you notice anything about your hair My hair was very puffy. In fact, I was going to say, why didn't I get a haircut before this episode? It was extra long, but it was also, it was curled in a weird way on the sides. Did you notice that? I definitely noticed my hair had a lot, a lot to contribute to this episode.

Yeah, there was a lot of hair going on. I didn't know what was happening. It was a little David Hasselhoff style. I don't know. It was so Baywatch. I was like, what's he doing? It's, it's, it's, you know, do you remember, you remember feathered hair back in, yeah, yeah, back in the, would it be 80s? 70s, late 70s, early 80s, yes, like fair faucet would, that's what your hair looks like. It's got a little mini feather going on. I know.

I thought, did you not get a haircut so they ended up having to feather you? I feel like it was a little long and so it got a little bit bit. Yeah, I definitely noticed a hair, you know, as we do every episode, there's some hair thing. Yeah, we talk about hair. hair is a big part of Star Trek so it really is it really is okay I'm glad you saw that too yeah yeah I did I really loved in the sick bay so we beam over this uh kazon we beam him over and he's dying he's injured and it looks like he's about to die and the doctor's able to save him and he tells Chakote this whole story about Cessca and Maj Kala and what had happened

and I thought it was a really interesting angle that Rick Colby he filmed Chakote kind of behind him in a close-up Oh yeah Chacote was sort of turned away and listening and very suspicious and dramatic

and I just thought it was you know a very unconventional angle for us It reminded me that I remember Rick Colby was always very intentional in trying to be edgy. And his style was much more modern than a lot of the directors on our show tended to be. Rick always did interesting things. And I found that to be really interesting, that story. And sort of it was pushing into Chikote, but from behind him, kind of off to the side.

And it was just very interesting. So I thought that was great. Yeah, that was a really cool camera move for sure. one thing I noticed the Kazon that we beam aboard that's almost dead his name is Tierna so when he's on the bio bed did you notice that on that close up of Tierna

when he's kind of when they when he's telling he begins to tell a story did you notice his teeth? No they actually discolored it it's like the first time I've seen because typically when we have alien races on Star Trek they've got all kinds of

prosthetics on their head wigs and you know you name it but their teeth they're still very human and very white, you know, but this guy's teeth were completely discolored. They were discolored and they were, they just, they looked more of like what Cazon teeth should look like. And I was shopped and I kept thinking, is that, you know, the makeup department having extra time on their hands and they were like, let's just just do his teeth too. Or is that really the decaying, the decaying teeth of the guest actor? Maybe he had bad teeth. I don't know. sure that they, I'm sure they did discolored

them. I am wondering something, now that you mentioned this, I feel like Neelix had dentures. I mean, I know he did. Yes, he did. And I remember he used to always sort of like pop them out, spit them out. Yeah, that was

his thing. That was his thing. I remember that. But of course, as a series regular, they're going to have more money to do teeth for an alien. Yeah, they did dentures that had the, for, the for the pharyngi or not the pharynge the telaxian sort of teeth yeah right yeah right okay so now we head to engineering before we go there i thought this was an interesting moment for me the doctor talks to chakotay and chakotay just is very suspicious of all of this and the doctor says you know i can't do

a lie detector test on him oh that's right because we need a baseline and without a baseline i can't tell you if he's telling the truth or not but the doctor does say you know if it makes any difference he was about to die. Like, you know, he really, that part of his story is true. He was about to really die physically, scientifically. So maybe we should believe him, you know. Yeah. And I felt like that was a very important little detail.

But, you know, if we had been more cautious or suspicious about CESCA's story and about this Cason story, we wouldn't have gotten into our situation, you know. So that was a moment of like, okay, feels like. we're verifying that he's telling the truth by this, you know, what the doctor says, which turns up to, you know, he's going to kill himself later in the episode anyway. He's going to, you know, he's a suicide bomber, basically. So, so part of his cover was to actually be near death so that you know, could, yeah, the whole, the whole plan was very clever. So. Yeah. So after the doctor tells him that Chocote still doesn't believe it, he heads to engineering. And then he wants to get more, but more evidence

and he asked Kim and Torres you know what's what's the status report and Kim and Torres report that they found nothing unusual with the evidence from the from the Kazan shuttle and everything looks like his story is checking out at this point also Janeway

Tuvac says oh can you come down and talk to Souter and so Janeway goes down to talk to Souter about the you know his hybrid you know plant and the research he's doing. He wants to do more research and he needs some more tools and some more equipment. And he says, you know, it's nothing that's dangerous. And he really sincerely sort of begs for this. And she says, well, let me think about it. She doesn't, she doesn't agree. And he loses his

temper. Yeah. See that, you know, you see that, oh, he's still got the crazy side. He's still creepy he's still got the potential for you know serial killer in him so so i thought that was a really really interesting and i just felt so bad for him later on neelix brings in some soup and he's just sitting in the dark you know brad dorff was so good so perfect for this role it's also we we keep getting attacked you know by the kazon we we choose this path that looks like everything you know adds up right you know neelix neelick says yeah this is he's telling the truth that's the smart path neelix tries to trick him but it you know it is the truth and then he pulls up some code that that shows the the you know the trap the net of you know the neistram defense net the neistram defense net

exactly and it does show so you know a couple other things sort of add up and there's nothing absolutely certain that this is a smart move for us to to continue on this, you know, this rescue mission for Chukot's child. But yeah, things continue to sort of add up. And then we start getting attacked by these little Cazon ships. And they, they keep hitting the same spot. And that, that definitely is very suspicious. And I, I wanted to know, what is a starboard ventral? What is, they keep saying, they keep hitting our starboard ventral. Yeah. What is a star? I mean, I fly the ship. I should know this. What is it? A ventral. It's a vent of some sort.

Yeah. Or maybe that's sort of the ship's, you know, crotch area. Like, you know, the really. Yeah, maybe. The ventral. The really, really sensitive part of the ship. Yeah. Is what it is. The starboard ventral. It's very sensitive because they keep hitting it, which ends up, you know, preventing Janeway ultimately. from doing the self-destruct sequence because that's that's what they've been doing but they don't get it yet that that's they're kind of setting them up to to steal their ship um definitely we can

use that terminology Robbie is that possible yeah just like in in public like if someone's harassing you you're like back up man don't make me kick you in your starboard ventral like that interesting you could do that yeah and then confuse that or you know what oh I really got to go is there a starboard ventral anywhere something like that yeah i like that one better so yours is more passive mine was an aggressive yeah mine's like i got to go to the bathroom where's the i got a release my starboard ventral yes okay who cut the starboard ventral oh robbie yeah you're the one that wants to go to the starboard ventral um by the way neelix does deliver some soup to suitor what kind of soup rob leola root soup that's his specialty leola root soup leola root stew

leola root pasta he loves the leola root yes he does clearly the rest of the crew hated it because no one ever said a good thing about his food so no they don't it had to it had to have been okay though for us to keep letting him cook yeah and uh yeah so we're heading through and then all of a sudden these warships show up and actually we're reversing course that's when they chase us yeah yep we reverse course she's like let's get out of here turn around yeah there's those ships i think eight of them yeah kim used echo displacement to show talaxian ships coming to our aid and then utilize the doctor's suggestion of the holographic projections of these talaxian ships and of course that humorous moment where

the one of the third ship that's supposed to come in to help us out ends up being the doctor being beamed out into space. Yeah, that was very funny. Well, especially coming on the heels of like she gets annoyed with him because he keeps asking all these, he's like panicking, getting really

neurotic, asking a lot, too many questions. She's like, shut up, would you just and then, by the way, I think Bolana and the doctor are a very funny combo. I would have liked to have seen more of more of that, yeah. They were, yeah, They're very, what an odd couple they are. And yeah, I thought that little scene was very funny.

I agree. Then he gets beamed out. Yeah. Into space and the battle, well, the battle's begun. Yeah. Yeah. And then that scene with a Kazon sort of saying prayers, he like, he put a hand to one side and the other. And I was like, what the heck's going on there?

Yeah. And then he just peels his toenail off. He peels his tonal. Oh, my God. He peels the toenail off and then. pulls like magically pulls a needle or something out of the toenail

which I don't know where he hid that in the toenail. Yeah. And he's a living bomb. Like whatever he shoots into his bloodstream blows him up. That's not science. I don't think you can shoot anything into your blood and blow up.

Yeah, but you do remember earlier when he was getting a checkup by the doctor. Yeah. The doctor was like, well, everything seems to look, you know, everything seems to check out fine, except for the fact that I have elevated levels of, and he listed some chemical, which sounded like some type of gasoline derivative. And I think that's what, whatever he injected into his bloodstream, that then, yes, that was exactly. That was what caused

the reaction, the explosive reaction with the stuff that was already in a system. So you put some toenail juice into your elevated levels of gasoline and you're going to blow up. So all of you got out there, don't mix your toenail juice with your gasoline. Yeah, I kind of wish that he took it from someplace else on his body because I just don't, I don't want to be reminded. It was just, I don't want to see a toenail being ripped off. And I also don't want to be reminded that that so many species in the Star Trek world are bipedal, species where they're both, you know what I'm saying?

Like, he has the same number of toes as us. And he's got toenails too. Yeah, he's just a rust color. That's the only thing different, you know, and it's like, maybe if you pulled it out of, look, there's so much stuff going on up here in the hair area, right? Like there's literally, you could hide that little needle anywhere in his hair. He should have pulled it out of there.

He didn't need to pull his whole toenail off. I'm with you. he pulls it off he blows up and now things are falling apart and that's when tom paris says captain let me save you guys i'm going to take a shuttle all by my big boy self i'm going to fly back to those talaxians and get a little help and and he's off and he goes and then they start shooting at his shuttle you took the sporty shuttle by the way it was the more sleek one it was the the sporty shuttle sporty spice um i took sporty spice but i it wasn't fast enough i got it appears that i got uh blown up and there was some debris because later on they say you know let's check

the debris trail make sure there's no warp signature yeah might be trying to trick us yeah they did sort of tip the hand but that was seska saying that remember yeah and it was such a it was such a couple dynamic where she kept reminding him and make sure you sure are you sure he's dead and he's like fine and make sure you check this he's like he's rolling his eyes the whole time and it was just it's the classic you know arguing couple kind of thing uh but yeah but you evidently are dead but we know better you're still alive yeah somehow somehow i i have a feeling i'll i'll be alive when it's all said and done um janeway says let's evacuate this thing but uh she can't just self-destruct the ship because they kept hitting the starboard ventral, which now it makes sense.

Cessca and all those guys appear and she's like, you know, hold your fire. Yeah. And they sort of give up. And then Cessca lied to Maj Cola and said Chocote had basically raped her. Yes. You know. Yes. And you can see Cessca's kind of sheepish look to Chacote because he's pissed off.

He's like, that's not what happened, Chacote says. But correct. Because you're gone now. physically emotionally so emotionally you are gone you're not even there

nope so this this is the point where when the first Kazon come on the bridge I refer to this story in our interview with the stunt coordinator

that we had in our special interview Dennis Danger Madelone yes Dennis Madelone who we interviewed for our Patreon patrons he and I we related this issue

this story of the first Kazon not really holding his plasma his phaser rifle very aggressively so we this was the scene yes where we had

oh my gosh I mean it was it was comical I mean the way the guy came in and he was just literally like pew pew I mean it was just the worst I mean it just and then Dennis getting frustrated with each successive take where there was no change.

Like he kept directing him, no, you hold the weapon like you mean it. You know, like you're really going to be, you're taking these people out. You know, this is not some picnic or walk in the park. I don't know what you're doing. And the guy kept doing the same thing. And it was so, oh my God, he couldn't take it. And then this scene is also, once they force us down onto our knees. Yeah.

This was the scene where one background, K's, guy was overzealous with Tim Russ and he kept shoving him in the back and and Tim kept getting pushed forward and then he lost it. Tim just went he looks up at the guy and says just once like that he said to the guy you know you don't keep shoving me 15 times you know how funny just once and the guy was like oh okay this was also the scene Robbie when we were filming boy you got a lot of excitement oh this scene is filled with yeah there's three stories that come from this. The Kazon Extra that ran in that didn't know how to hold that was really more passive than aggressive. Then the Kazon Extra that was overly aggressive shoving Tim Russ

that he actually got pissed off. And then during this, when we were filming this entire bridge sequence, it was raining cats and dogs. And Los Angeles, it's sunny for the most part. It rains every now and then. But once in a blue moon, each year I would say there's like two weeks of nonstop cats and dog raining. And this was the time that this was going on. Wow. And so when it rains a lot, guess what? For us, they end up putting these pallets, these wooden pallets down in between the trailer. So we can not. Remember that? So we wouldn't walk into these puddles of water, deep puddles that would kind of well up because of the rain. So we would get on these, we walk on these pallets. And I was actually being, you know,

said, okay, we've got the shot. We're moving on to the next sequence. We're moving on to the next scene, still on the bridge. So we were sent back to the trailers, and I remember I was, I kind of like took one step onto the palette and the shoes that I had were not mine. They were the hand-me-downs that Brent Spiner wore on Next Generation. I talked about that before. And I slipped. I slipped on the palette and I kind of fell forward and landed on my knees really hard. Like, I was like, oh, I remember this. I was in such pain. I was hurting.

I was hurting. So then when they put us down on our knees, you know, the K's on then kind of lift us up or tell us to get up to take to take us to the cargo bay. I was getting up very slowly because I very, because my, my knee was hurting so much. My, my, um, raising myself up was very, it was a very gingerly kind of move. I was like, okay, I'm going to get up. And Tim made fun of me because he didn't know what happened to me. He was like, okay, old man. He said something like that where he was, you know, making fun of my,

my very slow movements to get up. And then so like I said, Tim got pissed off, Dennis Madloan got pissed off, and I got pissed off. I should have been there because I could have, I could have smoothed all this out. I could have made everybody feel good. You know why, Robbie? Because you're the actor whisperer. You've always been the actor whisperer.

You've been able, as a director, you do it. And as an actor, you did it for us too. And you weren't there. I wasn't there and everything fell apart. Oh my God. I got so angry at Tim. And that was the day that the decision was made. I said, this is because you guys don't have enough funding to buy me a pair of shoes

that have a tread? The shoes would get, they would put these kind of rubber soles on early in the series and they would get worn out over time like any pair of shoes. Yeah. And they would become just slippery, flat rubber. So I can imagine if there's anything, yeah, there weren't any treads. There was no traction or, you know, and they just get worn out and people wouldn't look at them and notice it. And so, yeah, in a situation whether it's raining or whether we're in a scene where there's debris or things like that, you know, jungle set or something, it's, they were not very sturdy shoes.

No, okay. All right. So back to the back to the back to the. Okay, so they take over. They hurt everybody together. I thought it was very interesting. Cessca starts breastfeeding on the bridge. It just, you know, they take over. Maj Cola sits down in the captain's seat. We see the doctor is hiding.

He almost gets caught. Souter has escaped, but we know he's, you know, somewhere. Eventually we find him up in the vent system. Yeah. Yeah, the shots of the hurting the crew together. I thought were great. Rick Cope did a great. job. The extras all really did a great job, our background players. And Mosh Kala lands the ship on the

planet. Now, I think I had already landed the ship once myself. So at least I was still the first one to land the ship. But he seemed to just, he had, he walked on the ship, didn't even know it very well. So it sort of takes away from what Paris did to be a big deal. It's like, oh, well, if some stranger can walk on and land the ship, it must not be that hard. So. Okay, I'm just going to say, now, I think SESCA somehow got the manual. You know, she may be, maybe Jonas, you know, sent the manual. Yeah, she must have used Tom Paris's plan. Notes.

Yeah, that's what it was. So I'm not going to, it doesn't lessen your landing. Your landing was still very impressive. Thank you. But it did seem a little easy that these backwards kizons are able to land so easily. Okay, so we're on the planet. It's the Hainon or the Hannon system is what they said. This is where we're at.

It's an M-class planet that Chocote surmises is in the Pleocene state of evolution. So it's still very early. That's why we see a dinosaur. Yeah, we see that little worm creature dinosaur, which I do remember that is the reason why one of our recurring actors ends up getting eaten by that creature in the next episode. Oh, really? Oh, don't spoil it for me. Okay, I won't spoil it.

I won't spoil it. I won't spoil it. There's a caveman. There's a dinosaur. I also like that, you know, alpha team with me, beta team with me. Harry goes, Gamma team. Gamma team. And then Neelix goes, Delta team with me, Delta team.

Neelis goes, everybody, everybody who's going to look for Leela roots with me. Delta team with Neelix. How did he get like a leadership role here? And like, you know, like, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is we're filming this, what I remember. member is when chainway says the line before we break up into team. She goes, and then we'll reconvene in two hours is what she says. And then at that point, I don't know if it was me or

Beltran. Somebody goes, how are we supposed to know what two hours is? We have nothing. We don't have our tricoters. We don't have anything on us, right? And then Beltran started doing the Native American thing. He's like, oh, when this, when the sun reaches, uh, with cast a shadow on the rock over there, like that. And we started, he started doing this whole bit. Very true. We were no technology. We had no technology. That's funny. Um, so we continued, uh, Robert Beltran continued with that joke for many, many years. And, but it would evolve, it would be like, instead of when the sun cast a shadow on that rock, he would say, when the sun cast a shadow on that rabbit. Like, he would like make various changes to that version of Robert always had a way of like finding something it would be very

funny and then he would run with it for like two years yeah well we all did we all did yeah yeah we all did but he had some runners for a while Robert did he is they would change over time but yeah yeah and then and then we we know that suitor is still on the ship we do see him up in that vent system kind of hang out and we see the doctor all alone feeling you know poor doctor everybody's gone um Rebecca said you know well at least Souter has a lot of people to murder now he's going to be busy well she's right about that that's uh not to be a spoiler but that's kind of what ends up he ends up being a secret secret weapon so I know isn't it great it's kind of very exciting I can't wait to see season three's premiere and uh did you have a theme for this episode this was a tough one

for me to yeah let me let me let me let me let me hear yours my theme was that you should always verify before you trust someone who's proven to be themselves to be a liar because we sort of didn't verify we kept going well maybe like i think chakotay's instincts to be cautious and suspicious were right and he sort of got pulled along with you know the dream with his dad and the doctor kind of saying, well, you know, I can't guarantee, but he was going to die. So like all these little things, but he never really verified that this, this Cazon was telling the truth, that that SESCO was telling the truth, that any of it, they, they ended up getting in trouble because they didn't absolutely verify known liars. so that would be my theme is you know when someone has proven themselves more than once to be a liar verify first before you trust that's your lesson to take from this and you know what you know

what that reminds me of wasn't there a story of the frog and the scorpion wasn't that the one where the scorpion says to the frog you know i need to get across this this river oh i think it was yeah something like that is it a frog or am i am i getting the animals I thought it was a snake and something else. Yeah, but the bottom line was... Snake needed a ride or something like that. The scorpion is the one that needs the ride. And the other animal, let's say it's the frog.

The frog says, I can't trust you because you're going to bite me. And then the scorpion goes, no, no, I just need your help across the river. And then he keeps pleading. And then finally, the frog agrees. The frog takes him all the way across. And once they get across, the scorpion bites him. And the frog was like, why did you do that? You know, I told you, you know, you said you wouldn't.

And the scorpion said, well, that's my nature. you know so it's almost like that's kind of what you've hit upon in your lesson is that yes yes that's that's a similar theme to me is yeah yeah is when someone has proven you know shown their stripes to you more than once assume that they're a scorpion right you know i'll go with that i like that too all right all right well next week we're going to be back with season three's premiere and your first limerick so i'm excited basics part two and part two of my loan Pine story. We'll have that, which is great. That involves Kess, Tuvok, and myself. We are the three players in this story. Okay. Okay. Coming up in our bonus material, we've got Martha Hackett joining us

to talk about basics part one. Stay tuned for your bonus material, Patreon patrons, but everybody else, thank you. And we'll see you next week. See you next week. Basics part two. Can't wait. We're going to be, B. B. B. B. B.

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