The Delta Flyers - Basics Part 2

Episode Date: February 22, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch and recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Basics, Part 2. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Basics, Part 2:With the Kazon-Nistrim in control of Voyager, the crew must return to basics in order to survive on a harsh planet inhabited by alien natives and vicious predators. Meanwhile, Suder and The Doctor assist Paris' attempts to retake Voyager.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca Jayne, and our Post Producer Jessey Miller.Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Ann Marie Segal, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Michelle Zamanian, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Matthew Gravens, Brian Barrow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Megan Hurwitt, James Zugg, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Holly Smith, Jesse Noriega, Dominic Burgess, Amber Eason, Lucas Shuck, and PJ TomasAnd our Producers:Chris Tribuzio, Jim Guckin, Steph Dawe Holland, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Thomas Melfi, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Luz R, Josh Johnson, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Warren Stine, York Lee, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Robert Hess, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Daniel Owen, Jason Wang, William McEvoy, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Ming Xie, Mark G Hamilton, Heather Chappelle, Heather Choe, Kelly Havlik, and Richard Sandnesaunet Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Gerard Wong, and my illustrious co-host, Mr. Robbie, Duncan McNeil. Hey, Robbie. That's the, uh, that's the audience. it's the screaming throngs of fans with it and and admirers and and and people with asthma oh no no we're going to get emails because of that I know I have asthma okay all right I was hospitalized you by the way during Voyager I was hospitalized at least twice for asthma I remember Mary Howard coming and and checking on me in the hospital because of my asthma and trying to change you never told me that Robbie you never told me that I never saw you with an inhaler or anything like that for those of you who have asthma out there

because Robbie has asthma yeah it's okay for him to make a joke of it I think yeah yeah it's just like I think I don't know I hope you don't I mean I think there's a there's a times there's times when asthma can be funny and there's times when asthma's not funny okay just like most things in the world it's about contacts it's about time and place oh my gosh okay i need to trim my beard dude you need oh my lord although we have seen um uh cape mulgru's um romantic partner bennett we have seen recently on that galaxy con thing last uh recently yeah garret and he had a beard down to like he had like a moses beard my beard well i thought what was that show of that guy that was in the wilderness uh play and he had a bear as his sidekick oh yeah it was uh dan the actor was dan

something he had this grizzly adams yeah yeah so i that's what i look at when i look at bennett kate's significant other i look at it as a grisly adams beard but you say moses beard, which is actually longer than a Grizzly Adams. And the longest is a Zizi top. So he's not Zizi top yet. It's not a Zizi top. But he's definitely Moses.

That's you, you know, that's respectable beer. That's respectable beer. It's just a that's a, yeah, this is a working man's beard. This is like, oh, I'm too busy. I'm so, I'm working so hard. I don't have time to really

groom myself. Yeah. Yeah, and it's subtle because you have gray mixed in with your dirty blonde. And reddish, and reddish. So it's not as prominent as if you were, let's say, Italian or Greek with a heavy, dark beard. Yeah. Right. All right. All right.

Speaking of Italian people, have we ever seen Boba Carta with a beard? Have you ever seen him with a beard? I feel like I've seen photos of him on other shows or, you know, he's got so many looks. over his career. Yeah. Especially with the, because he went bald, you know, lost his hair so young, he started wearing hair pieces and wigs very young. So he's had so many looks.

I feel like, I'm just, I mean, in terms of not off camera, but on camera roles, all the roles that he's done, I've never remembered him with a mustache or a beard. He may have had a mustache in Lover Boy. That was with Patrick Dempsey sort of playing a pizza delivery boy that ends up being O'Gigolo, and Bob Picardo plays a surgeon in there, I think, a doctor. And his wife is cheating on him with Patrick Dempsey's character. And I think he might have a mustache there.

But I don't think I remember him with a beard, like a full beard, a mountain man beard. I'm looking to see. I don't think, okay, hold on. Oh, you got it? Hmm, look at that. You're so fast with your Google. you're such a fast Googler wait is that hey well that's clearly a that's a mustache yeah it's a mustache he looks good in a mustache yeah that look actually yeah there's Bob

what's the project can you just what's the caption read it says um I don't recall that role is that a Nickelodeon show maybe I don't know oh my god the internet is forever I don't know oh by the way for those of you listening out there not viewing Robbie showed me an image of Bob Picardo in sort of a 50s soda shop sort of costume and on top of his head was a fake ice cream. And then Robbie just

showed me Boba Cardo shirtless. Is he completely naked in that with the cowboy hat on? What's he? What's he going on there? I don't know. This is a little gift that says, don't knock, just come. And he looks like can't top the cowboy from

inner space. Oh yes. So he's the, that's from interspace. I do. call that that wardrobe yeah so the internet is forever so for all of you are just curious about what the visual is if you simply sign up to be a patron on patreon.com forward slash the delta flyers you can view this you can see all the fun times you can see all of the visual aids yes we have okay it's it's a more complete picture of the delta flyers but but of course we will always describe what is being shown on screen between Robbie and I, for all of you who are listening, just so you know.

Yeah, that's an interesting photo of him, but you didn't find out why he's wearing that soda kind of ice cream guy. I did not. I did not. We'll have to get him on the podcast. All right. We'll ask him. Ask him, yes. We can ask him how his butt's doing as well. Hopefully he's healed. Yes. Sometimes we call our castmates, you know, in the middle of a podcast and catch them like Bob on the bice. and we cause them to crash and scrape their butt as we did with Bob.

So, yeah, but he's a, he's a, he's game for it. He said, call him anytime. So we will be calling him. I love how you, I love how you throw, you put me under the bus with you on that one. We cause him to crash. It's like, mm-hmm, yes. I'll join you on that, I guess. We. We. We. The royal we. What are we talking about this week? Are we in season three? Yes, yes.

We're actually in season three now. And we're doing basics part two. So the two-parter of the cliffhanger episode, Basics Part 1 is what we finished our season two review. And now we're starting our season three review. Yep. It's crazy. We are now, gosh, what is it now?

June, July, August, September, October, November, December, January. We're about nine months into this. podcast now? Yeah, something like that. We're chugging along and we're now at season three. And of course, one thing that you're going to be so happy about is today is the day that I take on the limerick. Oh my gosh, I forgot. We're switching. Oh, this is exciting. You're exciting and you're happy and I'm like dreading this. I'm sitting here going. Yeah, it's stressful. It's very stressful. I had, I think I had a nightmare about this. You got this. You got this. Okay. All right, man. Basics part two, season three premiere. Yeah. Um, yeah, great. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, Patreon,

patron, stay tuned for your bonus material. Everyone else. Um, stay tuned as Robbie and I go watch Basics part two, and I stress about making a limerick. See you soon. Robbie and I are back from watching Basics Part 2. Yes, we are. There's a lot of action in this one. There was a lot of action, and you guys were on the planet a lot. I was still even more jealous that I didn't get to go. Although I was kind of jealous, I think, so I did notice on watching this how rough the terrain was for you guys.

And it reminded me of that story you told about Sue. I think it was Sue falling down the hill. Yeah. Rolling as you guys were running or something. Yeah. It looked kind of rough. It definitely did. The terrain, the rocks, the, and there was a lot of areas where you were filming where it was

pretty steep, sometimes steeper even than it photographed. Like if you really looked at it carefully, you kind of go, oh, wow, and it's steeper than you first thing. Yeah. And plus, you know, that's outdoors. That's not on a soundstage. That's definitely us on location. And, you know, when the terrain is like that.

And the cold and, yeah, I'm sure. Right. But there's not just rock. There's loose rock and loose pebbles and loose dirt so that when you're running down the hill, you take one wrong step and you're going to lose your footing. And that's what happened to Sue. Kate Stand in and she tumbled down and, you know, she had to go to the hospital. So that was not good. I just want to start by saying a couple of things.

First of all, in a prior episode of Delta Flyers, we started to have an issue of memory. where we weren't sure if the stage that we used that was far away was stage 16 or 17. I did the research. It was definitely 16. 17 was deep space 9. That was directly across from 8 and 9. So 17 was their sound stage. So 16 was our rocks and caves and all.

Yes. And then, yeah. And I said to you when we couldn't remember, I get confused because when I did Chuck as a director and a producer for five years, we had stage 17 at Warner Brothers. So I couldn't remember. I'd get 17 and 16 mixed up a lot and totally different shows and different lots, different studios. It's 16. All right. That's one piece of business. The other order of business, when we reviewed basics part one, I talked about how Chikote and myself and Tim Russ got memos from production, you said that everyone got the

memo, basically warning us about, you know, be careful. It's a rough town. It's a rough town. Yeah. Yes. Go stick together. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't recall everyone getting that. I thought it was just the minority sort of saying, watch out. You might be, you know, you might face some trouble from the majority Caucasian population of this town. So, and I promised a story for part two. And that story is the actors were sequestered at a hotel at the edge of town. It wasn't in the main part of town. Right. The main part of town did have a motel there, but that's where all the crew and all the background actors were over there. So Sue and Tarek who played Ayala, he was there, you know, all everyone. They were all in town in the main street. Correct. And so to get to the hotel where the principals were, we had to take a shuttle. There's a shuttle that would run out to the very outskirts of town. And I remember the production, I think Mary Howard or Braddy Coby and saying, now listen, guys, you guys can eat in town and everything like that, but just know, whatever

business you do, there is one, the shuttle ends at a certain time. And so we're talking about the final shuttle that goes back to the edge of town. I think it left at like 1130 p.m. or 1145, so just before midnight. And so we were warned. They said, if you don't catch that shuttle, you're going to have to walk. And remember, this is before Uber and all these, you know, ways to get back. That didn't exist back then. So we were warned. And I remember the last three series regulars that were still in town were Tuvok.

So it was Tim Russ, myself, and Jennifer Lean. And Tim had decided to play poker with some of the background actors. So he was at their motel playing poker. And evidently, the stakes were five cent poker. So this was nickel poker, right? Right. And Tim spent an evening with the extras. Jenny Lean and I, I don't know, we were just hanging out.

So I remember going over to, we walked over to the motel and said to Tim, it's time to go. We have to go catch this shuttle. And he's like, fine. So we go back and we're sitting. at the shuttle stop. And we're waiting for this shuttle with plenty of time. We definitely are there before the final shuttle comes. Right. And then Tim all the sudden, he goes, I said, how'd you do? How'd you do with the poker game? He goes like, oh, yeah, I won. I won. I won. I won big. And I'm like, you won big. I go, what sticks were you guys playing? He's like, we're playing

nickels. I'm like, nickels. So he pulls out of his pocket, like this huge handful, like, of nickels. He's got literally, I think he's got 50 bucks in nickel. okay in his hand and he looks at us and he's like I don't want to carry this around I don't want to carry this around and he looks behind us and he sees like a whatever late night fast food restaurant is open he goes I'm going to go change my money there I go Tim please don't do this please don't do this it's not like you're changing five nickels into a quarter you're changing $50 worth of nickels you know he's a thousand nickels he's a thousand nickels I said they're going to have to count those nickels dude I guarantee you there's no change counting

machine there, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to miss the shuttle. And he said, he goes, no, no, no, no, I'm not going to miss the shuttle. No, blah, blah. I'm going to make it. And so he goes over there and we're watching. And sure enough, the shuttle, we see the shuttle coming up, drives up slowly. And I'm looking back at the, I can see Tim staying there. And I can see they're going, one, two, they're counting through the nickels. And now I'm waving my hands. I'm like, Tim, I'm screaming. I'm like, Tam, hurry. Tam. And He's completely oblivious, okay? So he's just, he's on top of the moon because he won, all right?

And he's just like, I'm so, yeah, I'm so great. Yay, I'm a poker god. And so then guess what happens? Because we are friends of his, we actually tried to ask the shuttle driver to wait, but he wouldn't. So he left. So we said, fine. We're just going to have to take this walk to the outskirts of town. Oh, God.

Yeah, so Tim gets out there. And I'm so pissed. And he's like, what, what? I said, you miss. the shuttle and you made us miss the shuttle because we were trying to get your attention and because we're your friends we waited for you and now we have no way back except for our feet we have to walk back dude he's like well i'm sorry man i lost track of time i said i told you not to go change the money you know i was so mad at him you're those damn nickels and tim and i just so everyone

knows we've always had this crazy older brother younger brother kind of relationship where we bicker at each other. And I was definitely bickering at him. So we start walking. And as we're walking along, the lights of the town get dimmer and dimmer. And now we're just, it's basically pitch black on like a country road. And we're walking and I'm going, this sucks. And then all the sudden, in the distance coming towards town, we see headlights. And I said, okay, this is interesting. And as the headlights get closer, we notice there are headlights belonging to a pickup truck like an old you know ford bronco or something like just an old pickup truck right um and this truck drives up slows down and stops and hits his high beams on us like he's looking at us and

I'm going oh my god oh my god you're panicking I'm panicking because I'm only thinking about that memo saying be careful you know you guys and guess what what does this guy see he sees an Asian guy a black dude and a little blonde white girl. And it's like, and so that he's looking at the three of us thinking, you know, what the heck is this? What's going on here? And I'm thinking we're going to, yeah, we're going to die.

I'm thinking this is, this is literally the hills have eyes or this is, this is, I was really feeling like this was the territory between the Hatfield and the McCoys. Like this was like hillbilly, you know, territory. And we were in trouble. You know, I said, we're going to

we're going to die. And I just remember feeling this in this feeling of yeah and i remember this is all about the nickels but underneath my breath i'm staring at the pickup and also underneath my breath i'm muttering it after they kill me i will kill you is what i said i take all your nickels all because you had to all right who was it who was in the well okay so we're just standing there the pickup truck is staring at us and i'm just frozen in fear and we're all three of us just standing there frozen like uh, and then they slowly start up again. And the windows are tinted out.

And they just kind of like, they go really slowly past us. And then they speed off. And I look in the back and I see, there's like a gun rack. And I'm going, Jesus, we really could have been killed, you know. Jesus. And I look at Tim and I go, I go, thanks, man. Thank you for my, I almost had a heart attack just now. You know, is there, what else could go wrong?

And then right when I said that, it started raining cats and dogs, like cats and dogs is just coming down, like this torrential downpour. It's almost like God had this crazy sense of humor. The minute I said, what else could go wrong now? And then God goes, take that. And so I look at Tim and I'm like, thanks, man. I'm now soaking wet. Now we're now we're soaking wet. And we still have like half a mile to walk to get back to the hotel on the outskirts of town. So, so yeah, so Tim and I almost were killed, basically. Wow. Jennifer would have been abducted. Wow. my guess yeah wow there you go so maybe it was good i didn't uh go i just stayed back at paramount studios and basically saved all of you because that's really what i my takeaway from this episode

is paris everybody owes paris their lives that's my takeaway is that what you're getting from no i think if you that's the theme for me the theme is everybody should thank paris because he saved them all That's my takeaway. Is that your life lesson for this episode? Yeah, like a monument of Paris because he saved everybody. No, if you were there with us and walking back with us, it would have been more normal. It would have been two Caucasians and two minorities. So it would have balanced out a little bit better.

And I think we would have had less of a, you know, less scrutiny from this, this pickup truck from hell, you know, that was about to kill us. I think they would have thought, oh, okay, all right. And then drove on. I would like to think that they were actually They had been channel surfing the night before And said, wait a minute Now we can't kill them That's Tuvac Kim and Kess

And then they drove away Yeah exactly It's kind of like the episode The story of the episode That was the primitive cavemen Yes You eventually sort of befriend Yeah

In the story That's kind of like the citizens of Lone Pine California You sort of In the beginning It was kind of dangerous and you know yes there was sort of a yeah scary and I just want to see it all

yes and Robbie just in case there's anybody listening yes from Lone Pine or used to live at Lone Pine I apologize that memo is what scared the crap out of me I think if I never received that memo from production I probably wouldn't have had those stories in your head no I have a good friend that lives up at Lone Pine

actually okay well there you go there you go yeah but I'm an actor I'm a creative person my imagination can run wild and my imagination was truly picturing Tim and I being murdered by the low-ups. And that's what I felt. Okay. So on that note, let us do. Let's talk about our, yes, the episode.

Yes. Let us have your, let me have your haiku synopsis. Oh, yes. My very first haiku, I mean, I did do a haiku before, but back when we were kind of freestyling, now that we've gotten formal. Okay, my haiku for basics part two season. premier kazon have the ship primitive life for the crew paris saves them all that's it that's it i just had to make sure paris gets credit for saving everybody that's really all my focus of the

haiku was paris getting the credit so yeah i love it i love it did you feel you know happy that it was you got to do a much simpler not having to rhyme like a weight oh weight lifted off your shoulders such a weight lifted yeah okay no i was debating because you know probably could have used rebecca's help i could i actually thought about messaging rebecca but i said you know what no i'm going to stand on my own two feet i can do this okay you even told me you said i know you can do this right yeah and then i thought i can get really really you know put a lot of production value of maybe do this in an Irish accent since Oh, wow.

Rick's come from there. But then I thought, no, I'm not going to do that. No. I'm not going to go to the Lucky Charms accent. I'm not going to do any type of, you know, Northern Ireland accent or anything. Right. Even though I enjoy Irish accents, I think they're great. Yes.

But my limerick is almost, it has a little hycunist to it. Interesting. Yeah, because I feel like I'm so used to doing haiku that it bled into my very first limerick. It's got a little sort of abstract quality. Yes, it's definitely more abstract. So here we go. My limerick, my very first limerick synopsis for the Delta Flyers for the episode basics, part two. Stranded on planet left for dead.

No shelter, no water, no bread. The doctor helps out while suitor reroutes. Paris sets course full speed ahead. Oh, nice. nice nice like that no bread oh nice yeah it's it's fun it's exciting right it was exciting and also abstract too it was a little abstract you set a course for home i was like parrots sets sets course full speed ahead yeah head rhymed with the bread and the that's that's what poetry is all about is it is getting a little abstract now and then yeah i love it yeah yeah all right good there's our haiku

there's our limerick. Let's talk about it. Sure. Still written by Pillar, obviously, still directed by Colby. So the same writer and director from part one as part two. I just want to start by saying the very first line that you hear from Chakote, the very beginning of the episode, when he's helping out Wildman. You know, Wildman's struggling, holding her baby, and he's like, don't push yourself.

And then he says, that goes for everyone, perspiring wastes water. And I've never thought of that ever in my. my life. Stop wasting water. By perspiring, which is like crazy. Yeah. Have you ever been given that advice on any, you know, activity that you've done in school or anything? Don't sweat. You're going to waste water, which is- I don't know how you control sweating. Yeah. That's a tough one to control. I mean, I think you can control the energy output that you have. If sweating is a result, of a certain amount of energy output, then I guess you could lower your energy output

to preserve moisture or preserve water. But you may, in a hot environment, just be sitting there and sweating. True. You're not putting out any energy. It's just the body's natural function of cooling itself is wasting the water. I don't know.

That's a tricky one, Chukotay. I mean, he's a smart guy, Akuchimoya and all. people of my people I'm going to throw this story at the fans right now I may have already talked about this but I'm going to say it again because you just said I don't know how you control sweating

and I'm going to have to disagree with you because of that one fateful day that we were filming on the bridge and it was your close up and you indeed were sweating but you were only sweating on the side of your face away from camera and I said to you And I made mention of that while we were filming.

I go, Robbie McNeil, you're such a professional. You don't sweat where the camera can see it only on the side of your face away from camera. Did I have like a tissue or something? Was I tapping? Maybe I was dabbing my... Possibly. Maybe I did that. I don't know.

I don't remember you dabbing anything. I just remember that that to me was really comical. I'm like, that's crazy. Yeah. It's like everything, like literally, it was like, it wasn't like tons of sweat, but you can definitely see it was rolling down your cheek on the side away from where the camera was. Yeah, yeah.

What the heck? How did you do that? I mean, I sweat on both sides if I'm sweating. But that day, I was a professional. Master, yes. Yeah, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty professional. All right.

Yeah. So they're still on the planet. Everybody's still on this primitive planet. I was mostly excited to see Neil. Alex's team, I think in the end of the last episode, Nilex said something like, Chikotip was like, Team B, you're with me, Team A, Alpha Team, Delta Team, or Beta Team or whatever.

And then it comes to Neelix. Neelix is like, Delta Team, Delta Team, follow me. Yeah. This was after nine. I was Gamma Team. He was Delta Team. Delta Team, you're with me. So I was very excited when I'm like, oh, everybody's there.

How's Delta Team doing? how's the neelix group doing not that well not that well no no not that well uh hogan gets eaten so delta team maybe we should not put neelix in charge of any away teams that's our takeaway i know that later in the episode he apologizes he's saying i feel it's my fault and the whole time i'm like it's totally your fault you are responsible for killing hogan my god yes exactly because if nil Felix just helped him pick up. You remember that? Neelix is holding the bone.

He's like, and he throws it back down on the ground. All you had to do is help him. If you helped him pick it up at that second and walk away, Hogan would still be alive. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Poor Hogan. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer?

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Taxes and fees extra. See MintMobile for details. By the way, so yeah. we find paris is not dead paris has uh gotten his shuttle back up and running and he's on this kind of he's running away from the kazon who are chasing him yeah and boy if i if i knew it was as simple as just all stop hit the brakes let the kazon fly by and then shoot him a couple times and boom like why are we ever in a battle ever then if that's the way you can do it um that was so reminiscent of of the movie Top Gun, where Maverick, like, is being chased by the mig, and he puts all stop and the

mig flies past him. But of course, they're going at supersonic speeds, whereas in this, from our relation, when you slow down, it's almost like a turtle passing another turtle. It's like so slow when he passes you. It's like, what is going on? I also started thinking about, okay, I have a, I have a Tesla Model 3 is the car that I have. Correct. And it has, um, auto collision. features yeah so if i am heading too fast toward something it will warn me and it will start to break long before i even see it correct and so i started thinking all right that's my Tesla model three that's the entry level Tesla has that right now yeah and we're talking about starships right that are chasing me dead behind me shooting as soon as i hit the all stuff

like my Tesla you would think that that other ship would go would be locked in on some kind of computer control autopilot that wouldn't allow them just to fly over you that they would have something. But anyway, you know, I'm just saying. I'm just going to say that that that fail safe in the Kazon patrol ship malfunctioning. I see. It didn't work. Like he should have stopped, but he did. Yeah. Okay. I, what I wrote down in my notes, which was more interesting, I said Paris does his impersonation of the caretaker. Because in Caretaker, the old man kept saying, yeah, not enough time. And then you hear you are, I don't have time for this. You said it three times. I don't have time for this. And after you killed, not, you know, after you eliminate the threat, you're like, I told you, I don't have time for this. So you say that over and over again. I said that like three times. I know. I want to make a T-shirt that just has all of your sayings. So it'll say pepperoni, and then it'll say, I don't have time for this. And just all the paris say, it's the Voyager. It's the Voyager, exactly.

Yeah. And then we go into, we go into Sick Bay and the doctor's giving the baby a checkup, and he says, this is not Chakotay's son. Oh, I know. What the heck? What? What? It's not Chocote's son. Cessca seems truly shocked and surprised.

I have to say, I just don't believe that. Cesska didn't check the baby's DNA before this. Like, really? I, I, yeah, that was a little crazy. And even like, even. And that baby doesn't, okay, when you, we've seen the baby's face, right? You see the little, yes, Cardassian little forehead ridge thing, but you clearly do not see any Kazon features. Any Kazon features, no. And by the way, that baby's bald. And I'm telling you, Kazon have big hair. Yeah. Hazan's hair is huge

But if she This is just so bizarre Because she did inject herself With his DNA So how You know So the question remains How did she get that wrong

How did she not I don't know It was just It was perplexing Yeah Also Why didn't Cesska Ask the computer

Long before about the crew compliment Like the doctor does At the end of that scene He goes He's just got it easy Like nobody thought of this when you were taking over the ship hey computer any life signs where the like it's a quick

question yes but they obviously didn't think about it no you know they were too excited to commandeer the voyager that they were like yeah yeah because they did make mention the fact that there's two missing crewmen and they could have at that point said computer tell us who's on the ship right now and they would have found that out it would have been one beta zed you know we would have known it was suitor but But that's another, a hole in the script right there. Yep. Unfortunately. Okay.

Harry and Balana find eggs. Big eggs. Did you make an omelet? Did you do hardboiled, poached? What, like, what does the captain like? I think she likes medium. I like, she likes the yolk a little bit runny. Yeah.

So, you know, you have to really take attention when you're preparing eggs and make it a medium. It's not easy. That was very interesting, the egg. But look, look who's together. It's Harry and Balana again, right? Yeah, yeah. Were you jealous a little bit? I don't think so.

I don't think so. I was busy saving the show, Garrett. While you were out making over-easy or over-mediums, I was saving the whole series. I was saving Star Trek as a franchise. I was saving Voyager. I was saving the lives of all of our crew. Well, thank you.

Thanks for being a hero. You're busy being a hero. Ayala, you get to see him cutting hair. I cut Janeway's hair. I don't remember filming that. I have no recollection of that. Either way, I have seen that. They were using a lot of hair to start.

If you're having so much trouble starting the fire that you're going to use hair, which is the thing, you really got to be careful how much you use. You're going to go burn through all your hair pretty quickly. second of all when chakote says you know ha well captain you've got the only indian here who doesn't know how to start a fire yeah i gotta say like that that bothered me a little bit i know that i'm look i'm the non-native guy i'm a white middle-aged man so i'm not from a perspective to be able to tell anyone what's right or wrong about things but i guess i just found it like here are the writer are reinforcing a stereotype.

And it happened a couple times in this episode. Happened with the bow and arrow. It happened with starting a fire. He says, you know, I'm the only, you know, Indian that doesn't know how to start a fire. I didn't like it when I was a kid. And I don't like it. You know, I can't do it.

Couldn't do it when I was a kid. I couldn't do it now. I guess it would be like any stereotype saying, oh, I guess I'm the only black person who doesn't do blah, blah, blah. Just because the black character, character says that doesn't mean reinforcing that stereotype is not a good thing. So that sort of bothered me, I guess, a little bit. I just have a radar for those kinds of stereotypes. They bother

me, especially in start. I knew. Yes. And I knew you were going to be bothered by that. I actually may note of that. I said, Robbie is going to be annoyed by the fire starting scene. And I knew that that was going to trigger you. But I'm going to disagree with you. I'm going to disagree with you a little bit about the other scene you mentioned about the bow and arrow because he, I think that played against stereotype because when he grabs the bow and says like, you know, my people don't shoot bows and arrows. I've never done this before. And Tuvac goes, no, that's for me. I taught archery at the Vulcan Institute of Self-Defense. So I felt like that was playing against stereotype. I think that in that situation, it actually was, yes, a much better treatment of the issue.

and using that device to kind of change perspective in a good way. But I did feel like the starting of the fire, I don't know, was bumpier, was clunkier to me and didn't feel quite as good. I also think that this leads me to a general thought I had that I'll throw it now. I found this episode sort of overloaded a bit

with a tonnage of kind of toxic masculinity. I don't know how else to put it. The Kazan who take over our ship are a group of very stereotypically sort of primitive male, toxic, dominating male personality. Then you had this caveman society who's trying to give away and trade women because they've got this caveman primitive male thing. And I was thinking halfway through this episode that it would have been interesting on Star Trek and particularly the Star Trek that had a female captain

to take some of those gender identity storylines and flip them. You know, what if on this cavemen society, it had been a female-dominated primitive group that was developing. And maybe they were, you know, exploitive or treated the men in those typical ways. And maybe the lesson learned was we don't do that anymore in gender ways. We don't dominate gender, you know, whether it's male over women or women over men. I don't know. I feel like there could have, there's an opportunity in our show to do something.

different than other shows and when it comes to some of those stereotypes this one felt like it had a lot of that sort of primitive male yeah i'm a man and you're the woman and and anyway it was a lot of i hear you yeah i hear you um all right moving on so they start fires um yeah i just i found it interesting that i made a note here that just an interesting idea to see all of our crew stuck on this planet with zero technology that all of that technology is straight away that they're starting fires this way and you know and um bows and arrows and clubs and all of it all of it you know using the the cloth from hogan's uniform after he was you know killed by the the lizard dragon or whatever uh using that to to drain to make a um what did he say a water

collection kind of thing, trying to get rainwater or something. Yeah, my memory of the show was not that Hogan died that early. My memory of the show was that Hogan died inside the caves with everybody later, but that's not the case. He died at the very beginning. So in the storyline, obviously, Neelix wanders away, gets captured, and so does Kess. And the funny part of that is when Kess was saying, you shouldn't go too far away from Kemp, Neelix.

And I'm thinking, neither should you. and then she gets captured at that time, right? That's right. But so on the rescue party, when Chocote goes to rescue Neelix and Cass, you notice who's in that rescue party, right? In the teal uniform. Who was it?

Dennis Madelone. Oh, was it? We're wearing a wig. Yeah, he's got a short. Dennis Madelone, who we've interviewed before, our head of stunts, our stunt coordinator. He is in this episode wearing a wig get as a Starfleet crew member.

So he's holding the spear. And he's the one when they, when they get trapped by the, the Neanderthals and the out of the entrance of the cave, they go further into the cave. And as they walk along slowly to try to get past the, the serpent creature, it's Dennis who slips and falls and gets eaten. Oh, that was Dennis?

That's Dennis. I just heard from Dennis this morning. He loved, yeah, he listened to the interview that we did with him, loved it. And he said he shared it with Tom Morga, who was one. one of our regular stuntmen on the show. Yeah, because we talk about Tom too. And we talk about Tom and Tom loved it as well. And Tom wants to do, Tom wants to do the podcast. Yeah, we can bring Tom in

for sure. Yeah. That's awesome. Great idea. Yeah, that rescue. I recognize him. That's funny. I didn't. That rescue scene was great. Right before the rescue scene, though, we go into the doctor and and suitor. Yeah. The doctor had a line that I wrote down, he says, well, one hologram and one sociopath may not be much of a match for the Kazon, but it will have to do. Yeah. Look, that's a brilliant line. Yeah.

One hologram and one sociopath. Yeah. Good. He gets good lines. They give him good, good lines. Yeah. Souter is extra creepy with the, you know, that soft spoken line delivery of his. It's just great.

He did such a great job with that character. My heart broke for him having to go back to that dark place and as a character when he had really used these Vulcan techniques and the mentorship of Tuvok to change himself fundamentally and do it without drugs or medicine or anything. Definitely. And you definitely see that after he's performed his first kill. You know, and he comes later into the episode, he performs that first kill and he kind of falls to the ground. And I got emotional. I did. I was like, oh, man.

like this is like you know we're really rooting for the bad guy in this time yeah his humanity has come through because he's almost controlled his murderous rage and now he has to unleash it in order to save the rest of us you know to save the ship and it's just it's it's it's heart wrenching to see that it really is suitor has the idea by the way suitor is the one that asked the doctor for a portable thoron generator, which is the thing that buys them time to do everything they do because it disables.

CESCA says later, that's an old Machet trick to, you know, interfere with the tricorders and, yeah, all of our technology. So, yeah. So CESCA suspects that the repairs are being sabotaged around this time. The ship keeps breaking

every day. They're like, it doesn't make sense. Pera sends a message to the doctor. to about a backup couplings, the backup phaser couplings plan that he's going to overload them. Yeah, he's going to take out the phaser couplings and that they're going to go to the backup. And if he overloads them, that it will disable everyone on the ship, that it will, it will work. When he first sends the message he says to the doctor, I hope you get this message,

or else I'm a dead duck. and Rebecca was like wait pause that for a second she's like a dead duck is that the phrase and I was like sitting duck yeah right yeah yeah why did another phrase that's going on your t-shirt dude it's going to say I'm a dead duck what is a dead duck I don't know did I make that up did they write that I don't know I made a note of that too but I knew you'd bring it up so I'm going to let you get that up but it is the backup couplings plan that that Paris has and And right around that time, Suter has killed his first. They go looking in the, in the, he goes back into the Jeffries tubes.

And because Desk is suspicious of all of these things keep breaking every day, she sends people into the Jeffries tubes. Hey, let's look and see. We can find these people that are hiding and Suter has to make his first kill. He collapses, like you said. Yeah, that's struggle. Yeah, it's very sad. He says, I just need to breathe, see the light that is my breath.

I thought that was a, that was a nice line. that obviously he got that from from Tuvok but great scene yep I'm going to rewind just a little bit to the point where you know Chikote's been gone for a while so now Janeway sort of like get some people

together to Kim and let's go and find out what happened to them and so then when she does realize that you know Chikote and the rescue party are probably trapped in the serpent tunnel she then says who can run here and then we find out

Torres was on the Academy Decathlon team. And then Ayala, our friend Tariq Ergen, has a line here. I think this is his first line. He says yeah. She goes, anyone else here can run and Ayala says, yeah. So that was his big debut,

I think, line-wise. Oh, that's funny. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, I do remember that Tark raising his hand and he had the line there. By the way, you know, when they're running out of this cave, when they finally get cleared to run out of the cave, and they decided, oh let's take these wooden spears that we're not even trained in because we're technology people

and we're going to actually break the rocks so completely it will stop this giant cave monster who lives in the rocks i don't know very risky move like it was very risky yeah clearly it worked out because they stuck the things up there and just in time the rocks collapse and yeah but i'm like guys maybe you should have thought of a better plan like you know kim studied that at starfleet academy he studied uh loosening rocks at the cave entrances so that is what happened so you saw harry was right up there so he was the one that provided the fulcrum that so that that rock came down and caused like an avalanche of love it so love it that's okay there we go with that okay okay so his first guy in the Jeffries tubes, his dramatic kind of thing. Kola has a little scene with

CESCA, not a big scene, but important because he says, oh yeah, a couple of our scouts destroyed a shuttle. So we got them. We got whoever escaped in that shuttle. That was your message that you sent. Oh, yeah, it was the tricky thing, right? Yeah. And Cessca's like, what about life signs? Did they find any life signs, any bodies? And Cola's like, Oh, I don't know. She's like, hmm, well, there's two people missing and, hmm, yeah. That was a typical husband-wife conversation. Yeah, exactly.

Like the husband saying, I took out the trash. And the wife's like, but did you close the lid? Did you empty the freezer? Yeah, did you? There's always the addendum to the command. Oh, forgot that part. back on the planet Kess says that the baby is sick

and the volcano's about to blow so things are not going well on the planet yes I remember it's Kim that actually directs everyone's attention to volcanic eruption beginning and I actually remember filming that and I remember I was like

so where am I looking exactly and Rick Colby was like okay your eye line's going to be this and I just and I know we've done a lot of green screen stuff already before this, but I just felt really stupid that day doing that. I just, because I'm the one that starts the staring at nothing, right? I'm like, up there. And I just remember feeling really uncomfortable filming that scene. I don't know why. That's funny, because we do it so much. Yeah.

Yeah. I also ran across in looking at stuff that I had in storage. There's like a, for every episode, we had a set photographer that showed up that took still pictures of our episode. and they would usually pick one or two days of the seven-day shoot and they would take pictures. So this set photographer traveled with us evidently to Lone Pine because I found in storage like a slide, like a Kodak Ectochrome slide that was obviously taken by the set photographer of me holding the spear, but I'm spinning it around like a baton and just by myself. I'm just out in the middle of the, it's a really, it's an interesting photo because there's nobody around me and I didn't know that he took this picture of me because I was just goofing off doing

this like staff twirl like a martial arts twirling at the staff and he captured it on film with this camera and clearly he gave it to me as a gift and I did not remember that at all but going through some storage stuff I found that recently I'm like that's cool yeah so that's very cool yeah so Kim noticed a volcanic eruption Cessca confronts doctor crew must have been from the She kills his program. She kills the doctor's program. And we don't know at the end of this episode, what's going to happen? Well, it's really smart of the doctor to have that recording that he made for Souter just in case.

So it was like a chess game. It's like a chess game between the doctor and SESCA. And the doctor's like, okay, she's probably going to, you know, disable my program. So I'm going to record a message to suitor. And it was like a, it was an awesome pep talk, you know. But it was also sad because you knew that this could this could be a one way. mission for Souter, you know, at that point. So, um, I thought that was a really emotional scene, the, the pep talk from the doctor. I really did. Yeah. I thought it was great. And, uh, I thought

yeah, Bob did a great job with that. Yeah. And the whole, because he was trying to take that lightly, because he knew that Suter is struggling with the killing again, right? And he's just like, he's like, you know what you have to do and you know when to do it. And it was just the way he said that. And it was just like, oh my gosh. It's like, I'm getting choked up watching this. I know. And we see that Paris is ready and waiting, but he really needs the doctor to do his part. And now the audience knows the doctor's out of commission. Yeah. We go back to the planet.

Chacote ends up saving this cave lady who's stuck out in the lava flow. And that's a wonderful opportunity to see like the cave people, these planet people, you know, see that we are, we can be their friends. And we're good, good people. and so the story sort of changes there. Yeah. Yeah, there's nothing like saving someone from the enemy to show the enemy that we're good people, right? So that was a good, that was a good scene to have.

Also, I want to bring light to the Tlaxian ships. I like those ships. Yeah, they were cool. They're really cool. And Tlaxis were very helpful here. Praxon. Is that his name? Praxon.

Something like that. Something like that. Praxime, Praxum. Praxum. Praxum. Yeah, so a pair starts shooting at the phaser couplings. Yeah. And Souter in engineering ends up coming in with one of the Kazon weapons that he took. Yeah. He took a Kazon weapon from the one guy that he killed and uses that to kill everybody in

engineering. Can I tell you my notes on this part? My note says, Suter summons his inner John McLean from diehard and takes out all the Kazon in engineering. That's what I wrote on that one. And then he's trying to do something on the panel. And just before he hits the last button, he's shot by one of the dying K-Zone. And he reaches out, stretches out, and hits the button. Now, I don't remember the doctor telling Souter about Paris's plan. He didn't. So we have to assume that that was spoken to him or relayed to him at another point in the story. Because, yes, in that pep talk, he doesn't talk about that but the fact that he says the doctor says you know what to do and when to do it that that to me was not only referring to having to kill the kazon but also

to disable the backup couplings gotcha yeah that makes sense i didn't make that connection what to do and when to do it i thought more generally but you're right that's yeah actually exactly that's that's great um paris's plan works it was really sad to me even though sesca's a bad person um that she died and the poor baby was crying yeah and she didn't even turn back to color you know when she's on her last dying breaths she she walks towards the crying baby yeah she stumbles towards the crying baby and dies within you know an arm's reach of the baby yeah very sad was very sad it was very art house film kind of thing speaking of sad we go back to the planet and the caveman the baby there and give them a little something that makes the baby stop crying on the planet.

Yeah, so caveman Vicks Vaporub was giving. Vipar Rub to the baby, but he also points, and I love their language. I always think about the actors when they come on our show to do these alien parts where they're speaking a made-up language. Like was it scripted or how much did they make up or, you know, I think it was usually scripted actually. But anyway, this made-up language, when he points to like which direction they could go to safety, He points, he says, sad kudunk.

And I just thought, I like a language that's sad kudunk. Right? That's a good, I don't know what it means, but sad. Is that what he said? Sad kadunk. Sad kodunk. Which the minute you say that, that just makes me come up with. Badunkka don't.

Which refers to your booty. But, you know, I wonder if that was scripted. probably probably it was probably scripted well it happened right around the time the baby died and when he said sad couldunk i was like that's how i feel i feel the same way sad cadunk oh but don't okay and paris comes in and he saves the day yeah he's awesome and then everybody comes back and they don't take time to like wash their face with the grief or the or fix their hair or do anything They're like red back at it. There you go.

That's the way it is. What's your life lesson? My life lesson, my theme for this episode is something like even when you don't have the help of the things that you're familiar with, if you stay focused, there's always a solution. So like the people, you know, all of us on the planet, or all of you guys on the planet, you didn't have the things you were familiar with. You didn't have the ship, the technology, any of that. But you stayed focused. You worked together as a team and found a solution. and even for Paris there was a there was a solution so you know to save the ship so even when you

when you don't have those things yeah stay positive okay I'm going to say there that the life lesson from this episode for me is that no matter what there is always a peaceful resolution to conflict. And I'm referring to the conflict between the cave people and the Voyager crew, right? I mean, the minute you showed that compassion of saving the cave person, that Chacote saved the cave person, that changed everything. I mean, the whole mindset, just it flipped immediately from aggressors to, wait, you could be our friends too. Yeah, it's like, so I do feel that, that there is always a peaceful resolution. I like it. Unless you're suitor. But then with suitor, With Souter, it's a little bit like, you know, the life lesson there is there's even in someone who's literally been, not racked with guilt, but somebody who's involved in a lot of evilness, you know, and a lot of destruction, even in those people, there is that goodness that you can find within that person, you know, and he did. He did care about, because let's face it, at one point, the doctor thinks he's going to get away. The doctor thinks he's going to use this as an opportunity to escape his prison, basically.

and take off and leave everybody without any help. But no, Souter shows us that he's still loyal to the crew and still loyal to Voyager, even though his past is filled with just that murderous rage that he's had. So, but yeah, so those are my two life lessons from this episode. Nice. Yeah. Nice.

Well, this was great. Here we go, season three, off and running. Look at that. Paris is still alive. He's not dead. Yeah. So next week, Robbie, we are going to be reviewing the episode Flashback. And for all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for our bonus material where we will have a special guest, Martha Hackett, who played Seska.

Martha Hackett, yeah, she's going to answer some questions about this season three premiere and her death scene. Oh, her big death scene, I know. Well, not her true farewell, Robbie. She does appear later. That's true. So, but at least her farewell from this reality. Yeah, I'm excited to hear her memories. Okay.

Good. Well, off we go into season three. Yeah, we'll see you guys soon. Thanks. See ya. Bye. I'm going to be the B. B.

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