The Delta Flyers - Blood Oath

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode, Blood Oath, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, & Terry Farrell.Blood Oath: Jadzia opts to risk her future with Starfleet in order to fulfill a blood oath made by Curzon with three Klingon warriors. We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Randy Hawke, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Matt Norris, Stephanie Lee, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, Francesca Garibaldi, Thomas Irvin, & Jonathan CappsOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Neil McRae, Tim Neumark, Danie Crofoot, Rob Traverse, Penny Liu, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Kevin Harlow, & Hailey Lugo, & Chris GarisAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Heidi McLellan, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Annie Davey, Jeremy Gaskin, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Robert Allen Stifflerf, Jennifer Vaughn, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Loretta Reyes, Timothy McMichens, Dawn Colleen Smith, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Carol Ramsey, Willow Whitcomb, Jadzia Mehari, Mo, Leslie Ford, Douglas Lawrence-Plant, & Heather CThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Greetings, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your hosts along this journey are Terry Farrell, our super smart science officer, Armand Shimmerman, our entrepreneurial entrepreneur. I made that one up the last second. Yes, and we've got Garrett Wong, our Forever Ensign, and myself, your favorite helmsman, Robert Duncan McNeil.

Today we've got Terry with us. Welcome, Terry. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. We're all wearing hats today. I don't think that's ever happened. This is the first time Terry's worn a hat. Oh, yeah.

Terry's got her beautiful. Her hat on. And I'm thinking John Baptiste's version of freedom. Oh, when you just put up balloons. Balloons for everybody. Robbie's wearing his Delta Flyers hat. I am wearing my sports ball hat. Robbie, can you believe sports ball is right around the corner?

I know. I'm so excited. Sorry, the Georgia Bulldogs' first game is what day again? I forget, but they're playing Clemson, I think. Yeah, it's coming right up. Yeah, it's like three or four weeks away. Yeah. Terry, are you a fan of America football at all?

Do you like football? Who's your pro team that you like? Well, growing up, I'm from Iowa, so we didn't have our own team. So it was the Vikings and the Bears were like kind of neck and neck in our family. We had little glasses that actually had the NFL Vikings and bears on it. Wow. When I first moved away from home at 17, when I wouldn't necessarily sit and watch it, but I'd have football on while I was cleaning my apartment or just because it just made me feel like I was at home.

I've missed the last few seasons. Well, Garrett is the NFL guy. I'm the college football guy. So we've got all the American footballs covered. It's all covered. And you're an Iowa fan as well for college as well, right? Oh, well, the Hawkeyes. My nephew, my in-law played for Iowa.

And he was a wide receiver and he got picked for the NFL. He went to the Eagles. And then he got traded to like the Panthers. And I can't remember. I think he went to the Dolphins for a minute, too. It didn't work out for Marvin. His name was Marvin McNutt, number seven. And, yeah, it was like a great big deal.

Wow. It is a big deal. Even just to get a shot, even if it doesn't work out, just to get a moment to be able to play at that level. Hold a record in your college is huge, too. That's amazing. For receptions, yeah. Unfortunately, he couldn't do that in the big leagues. It was like, no.

But he did get. Gosh, you did that almost every Sunday or Saturday. Yeah, yeah. But he did have time at three different teams according to what you just told us. Yeah, and when he was, his first place was the Eagles, which was great because I was living in Hershey. So it was like, oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? Did you see him play with the Eagles?

Did you get there? No, I didn't get to see him. Yeah, and he only had like one or two plays. It's like, that doesn't help either. Let's not having three words in a scene. It's like, how do you ever get past the beginning if you don't get more. opportunities i remember once i went to an atlanta braves game in atlanta and right behind me was the family of this kid who had just gotten called up from the minor leagues and his whole family was there

oh man and they were so excited i can't even remember the player but i remember like hearing them talking behind me and watching them when he came up to bat and you know it was just so exciting that was actually probably more interesting than the game than the game it was it was it was a They were so stoked. Yeah, so much love. It was great. Iowa right now, Terry, I don't know if you know this, but Iowa has put out some of the top tight ends in the NFL,

some of the guys that have gone on to great success or come from Iowa. Excellent. Yeah. Well, I also promised my sister we were all in for women's basketball this season, this will coming 2025. Okay. Yeah, because we watched the final together,

and it was so exciting. And I said, okay, we're in. We're in. This is your new thing. I just got to be on it. You're talking about women's MBA. Yeah. Right.

Professional. Yeah, there's a lot more traction these days. There's more and more fans for the women's league. It's amazing. There's a lot of talent there. There's a ton of talent. Really good players. Yeah.

I don't know. The anxiety is kind of rough, though. That kind of kills me with sports. Yeah. You really don't know what's going to happen. Exactly. It's just like, ah. Don't go anywhere.

We'll be right back. Garrett saw me watch a Georgia game and the anxiety that I have. Let's just put it this way. Robbie paced enough to have walked probably 10 miles during the game. He didn't walk the 10 miles. That's his health regime. He was like a rumba that was broken. It just kept going back and forth.

And the thing is, that's his process. You can't mess with it. You just let him do the thing. going to walk because he's just got to walk it off yeah all right we've got a few birthdays to shout out first birthday we've got is mike chow on september 19th happy birthday mike happy birthday mike happy birthday mike and we have brianna claus september 21st happy birthday brianna happy birthday brianna happy birthday brianna last but not least we have sabrina you all also on september 21st happy birthday, Sabrina.

Happy birthday, Sabrina. Happy birthday, Sabrina. Let's go with our poetry synopsis. We'll start off with Robbie McNeil and his Limerick for Blood Oath. Here we go. Limerick adjacent, by the way. Oh. I have a poem adjacent.

Yes. This is art adjacent. Okay, here we go. Poetry for Blood. blood oath. Curzon Dax and some Klingons were real close. It was revenge that they wanted the most. They must deliver a death blow to an evil albino. So be careful when you make a blood oath. Yeah. Are you saying the adjacent because of close and most? Is that what was the adjacent part? Yeah, close most oath. None of them really rhyme. So it's, oh, yeah, that's right.

They're close. I'm afraid I'm in the same art adjacent room as you're in. Robbie. I tried my best. I really wanted to rhyme blood oath. I wanted that to be the last words, blood oath. And I wanted to rhyme albino. And they're not easy words to rhyme. So I came to us. No, they're not. They're not. Let's go with Terry's. Let's hear Terry's a poem adjacent, Jason. Okay, I also started out with the first line as someone else's poem, but it helped me. And so, pardon me, it's not completely plagiarism. I just want to acknowledge that this first one. You had a little help. Yes.

And you'll recognize it. Okay. Blood oath. To thine own self be true. We battle together anew. In our hearts and in our souls, a brethren with the same goals. We fight in righteous manner, standing in grace and honor. Oh.

I know. It wasn't like the best ending. I was like, oh, gosh, do I just keep writing until it feels like an end? And I'm like, oh, that might be too long. it was perfect it was perfect there's a moment where I hug I think it's Kang I hug and I he said curse on my old friend and I'm like I'm Judziah now and it was shown to me this weekend saying you know this is what the trans community really attaches to about your character this one meme and I was just like oh my gosh since that isn't completely uh in a line with dax and judziah and curzon I didn't want to make the

poem about being trans but i you know to thine own self be true i think is really important absolutely when people are trying to identify themselves and be who they truly are and to thy known self be true is from hamlet written by william shakespeare i don't know why i didn't know that i thought it was a poem it was like some now that you say it though it does feel like oh i've always know that what the heck yeah and if arman was with us arman would have told us immediately out of He would have shamed me. He would have shamed us all. How dare none of you know this.

Oh, Terry, how could you write that down and not know it? Okay, here's my haiku for blood oath. Here we go. TOS Clingons. Curzon Dax honors blood oath. No one eats the heart. That's true. Thank God.

I didn't want to see that scene. I know. There was that moment. Oh, my God. Please don't show that. Exactly. Or even blood in their mouth and going, like, that would have been just even. Even the little blood afterwards is not.

Yeah. I see it all, right? No. Well, good poems, everyone. Yes. I think a very successful poem day. Yes, it was good. Can we talk about who wrote this and everything else?

Let's do it. Peter Allen Fields, written by. Originally, this was entitled The Beast. And originally, this did not feature Kang, Khor, and Koloth, believe it or not. The original story idea had none of these. But Robert Hewitt Wolf was a huge fan of the original series. And since he's on the writing department, he's one of the producers of DS9. He suggested using the three most popular Klingons of all from the original series.

So there you go. Wow. Yeah. So he based the Beast on Kurosawa's Seven Samurai, also John Sturgis' remake of that film, The Magnificent Seven. So these were the themes that were going on. Directed by none other than the Baron to all the Deep Space Nine actors or Rick Colby, to Robbie and I. Yes. It's interesting how he never was the baron for us, though.

No, never was the baron. But I didn't call him that. I just called him Rick. You called him Rick. Okay. So directed by Rick Colby to all three of us then, right? And he did a, I think he did a outstanding job. I know I've met Peter Allen, and it's like one of those things you don't put together.

Peter Allen Field, thank you, thank you for the script. Oh, my goodness, didn't I get lucky? Didn't I just get lucky? My goodness. You did. Seriously. You really did. Yeah.

I agree. And these guys were, oh, gentlemen, they were heart and soul, just the best. I love that they brought back the original Klingons. Let's talk about these guys. So John Kolokos, our main guest star as Kour, he's a Canadian actor from Toronto. After Spock, Kour is the second longest Star Trek character to have been played by one actor in the Star Trek franchise. His first appearance as Core was in the original series episode, Errand of Mercy in 1967.

And his final appearance in the role was more than 31 years later in the Deep Space 9 episode, one more unto the breach in 1998. So I guess he comes back again one more time after this or maybe more. John Colacost also worked with Gene Rodmery to design the look the Klingons had on the original series. Budget constraints prevented extensive makeup that the Klingons were supposed to. to have. So if you guys recall, Klingons from the original series, they had basically colored skin, right? It's kind of a little off color, maybe greenish color. I don't know, whatever you would call it. It was a, it was just a different color makeup. It was like gray green or so.

Gray green, yeah. The eyebrows were enhanced to go up like Vulcans a little bit. And that's it. There were no prosthetics on their face whatsoever. The turtle heads that everyone makes fun up, the bumps were not in existence in TOS at all. played the very first Klingon commander ever seen in Star Trek. His character was also one in the set of five Canadian commemorative postage stamps celebrating the 50th anniversary of Star Trek. He got his own stamp. He got his own stamp. I think that's pretty cool. I'm a stamp. Are you guys stamps? I don't think I was a stamp. No, Terry. Robin and I were left out. We're not stamps. Well, I don't think I don't know that I was a stamp in America, but in Europe.

In Europe, your stamp. Okay. I wouldn't have known, but a fan brought it up to me. Oh, that's cool. Also with John Colacost, he was such a tremendous actor. And he also had, it was kept under wraps, but he had something going on physically with his health. But you would have never known it if you didn't see him, you know, exiting and taking time for himself. that he needed.

And it was kept very private, which I thought was really great of the production. But also consummate professional, you would have never known it on the set. Wow. No complaining, no nothing like that. He's just outstanding in that role. Yeah. Production didn't come to you guys and say, oh, he's dealing with this, whatever. You just knew that he was.

Yeah, because basically it's the three of us. Or if there's something, you know, it was pretty much me and the other guys. and we didn't see much of our other castmates in this. No. Doesn't see Bashir at all, no. No. There's three series regulars missing from this one. Michael and Sarah, or Anserra, however you pronounce that as, hang.

Like Richard Poe, who was mentioned in the last podcast, he is one of a few actors to play the same character in three different live action Star Trek series, original series, DS9, and Voyager. Wow. That's rare to do that. Very sure. Yeah. William Campbell as Koloth described his role on Blood Oath as his most difficult acting job

and one he would have loved to have do again, to have done again, to have acted in again. When production was checking to see if the three Klingon actors were available for the episode, John and Michael were easy to find, but William was very difficult to get a hold of because he was actually on a Star Trek cruise at the time that they're trying to find him. Oh, that's so cute. Yes. You guys would have loved him. He was a storyteller about old Hollywood.

Oh, he was so sweet. And he loved it so much being back on the lot, you know? It was a big deal for him. You got to hear some pretty cool stories from the old days from him, huh? I did. I did. I love that. I love that.

Very good. We also have Bill Boldendar, or Boldender, as the albino, the albino, who honestly, when I first saw the albino, I thought he was Klingon as well. I did, too. He's not, though, right? No, he's just has, he's got bumps. But he had a lot of stuff going on. There was a lot of bumpage going on. Yes, yes, okay.

And he did a great job, too. Yes, he did a really great job. I wonder if he was a stunt man because, like, if they cast a stunt man to do it, because he fell down the stairs. He did. And that was, it looked like him to me. Yes, he did. Yeah, it was cool.

Yeah, we all pretty much did our own stunts. Right. Final credit, we have Christopher Collins as guard. So that's the other person who was credited. That's it. So those are our players for this one. Fabulous. Great cast.

Let's jump right in. So we start in Quarks. Quark is taking Odo up the stairs to deal with someone in the hollow suite. By the way, love this shot. I love bringing them to the staircase and the camera tilts up. And there's Quark and Odo standing on the stairs. Only Rick Colby would do shots like that. Yeah.

yeah he would find these cool angles and yeah it was just a great way to open it yeah it had shadows and darkness in this episode that were really interesting to look at yeah it was interesting to watch yeah yeah just a different vibe than we're used to yeah agreed agreed well quark shows odo this hollow suite there's a cling on inside that has been playing some kind of battle game for three hours but he only paid for one hour and he threatened to kill odo if he's he shuts the power off. He doesn't have to kill Quark. That's what I meant.

That's right, yes. And he sealed himself in there. Like he can't even, it's, he didn't even want anyone coming in. So yes, very funny. He really wants to battle. He does. He wants to play this game hard. Yeah.

Well, it's actually a recreation of a very famous battle as opposed to being a game. Yeah. Odo tells Quark, turn off the power anyway. Yeah. And Cork comes out, our first Klingon that we're going to meet here. and try it's trying to kill quark i love the sort of dodging with armin hiding behind the odo yes it was very funny i must interrupt for one quick second when the door finally opens up when core you know he forces it open yeah the actual sound the use the sound effect was the same

whooshing sound from the original series when the doors open up they made a shh out a special They actually use the same sound and put that in there. Oh, it's like a little Easter egg. Yeah, because he's from the original series. So the homage was to the original series. Very clever. Very clever. Yep.

Well, Quark comes out. He wants to kill Quark. But Odo saves Quark and says, everyone's waiting for you to celebrate your victory. So drunk, Coor heads off. He liked that, celebrating a victory. Yes, he was very happy to celebrate. He's like, oh, lead the way.

Because he was drunk as a skunk. Drunk is a skunk. We cut to the security office next. There he is passed out drunk in a cell. And Odo, Odo's reading or something and realizes someone standing right behind him. Yes. He hears Koloth. I love, by the way, the opening of this.

It starts on the drunk core, pans across very slowly, finds Odo reading. And then as it pushes in, that's when you reveal Coloss. Yeah. It was great. I like the lines. You like the shot. I like the lines. Odo, how did you get in here? Coloth? I am Coloth. Odo. That doesn't answer my question. Yes, it does. That's the answer. That's how I get in here. Yeah. Klingons are, they're so angry all the time. They're so confident. If I had all those bumps, I might be angry too. Imagine cleaning those ridges. Yeah. I know. You see Klingon moms. Did you make sure to wash behind the ridges? Did you clean everything? Well, you're going to get manged, just like the dog.

Colath is there. He wants Corp back. He does mention to Odo that Corr is a Dahar master, at which point Odo immediately apologizes and says he'll release him. Can you explain that? No, he didn't say he'll release him. He just says, I apologize, no offense intended. He didn't release it.

I love how we handle that. That was really more graceful than I'm used to hearing Odo. Exactly. Odo opens the cell door because he doesn't want to get killed by a DeHar Master. No. And Kohlath then sees that Karr is, or Kore, is drunk. And he tells Odo, you keep him, I don't want him. I don't want him. You can have him. He's too drunk for me. I've never heard of the alcohol that he's drunk on either. I just usually think that they're drinking some type of Klingon blood wine to get drunk. This is Bristanti. Bristanti ale. Has anyone heard of this

before? I don't know. It's like moonshine for Klingon. Yeah, it's really. All right. Yeah, Blugman wasn't strong enough for him. He went all the way. He went even stronger. Taunty ale. Well, we go to ops next. Odo brings Kira the day's security assignments on a pad.

He says, it's been a Klingon afternoon, which I love that. You'd love that dialogue there? Yes. Every time the Klingons come to the station, I wind up with a Klingon afternoon. They're very high maintenance of these Klingons. But Odo. must know them well because he knew what a Daharmaster was. He did.

Any part of that. No. But as soon as he mentions Kor's name, Dax turns around. She asks, yes, exactly, Terry, just like that. Just like that turns with the eye to. What? Yeah. And he mentioned Kor's name.

She turns. And then she asks about his friend. She asks, like, was his friend's name Kang? She says that. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And then he says, Otis says, no.

it was Koloth. And Dex says it with him. Says it at the same time. So she must know, clearly this is, it's written that way that you go, oh, she knows all these people. Yeah. So we know that obviously as an audience member that this is a past life that Dex is now drawing upon in knowledge of these old, old aging Klingon. It's a Kurson afternoon for her.

It's a curzon. I like the come with me, Odo. Like, yes. She knows. It's an order. It's not a request. You did order him. I did.

I did. I did. It was a little curse on. He was a security officer. Yeah. You curzon to him. I did. Dax cursons, Odo, and takes him to the holding cell where there's a cool mirror shot.

I did like that shot. Rick is just, he's a master director. He's so good. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you see, you see, you see Core looking in the mirror, you know, you see his reflection, looking in the mirror, speaking Klingon. Mm-hmm. And then you see. The Dax and Odo appear in the reflection behind him.

Love it. Yeah. I think Dax steps forward. Yeah, just the way the shot develops is really elegant. As elegant as the writing in how it's revealed. Yeah. You got doubly lucky there, Terry. You got good writing and you got the master director.

Oh, yeah. And I needed him. We needed him for this episode. This is a dense episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Cora is still drunk in this cool mirror shot scene. Odo and Dax arrive. Dax says, open it. She'll take responsibility, which Odo does. He trusts her.

And she tells Cora that she is Curzon Dax. And she gives some details. Like she calls him out on his 14th rib and all these little details to prove that she is Curzon. Core, once he realizes that Dax is telling the truth, that it's Curzon, he is thrilled. So he hugs his old friend. Oh, he wants to kiss me. I'm like, have on a hug. That's right. He does say kiss me, doesn't he?

He does. Yes. Like, whoa, kiss me, my old friend. Those Klingons always want to smooch. Okay. They have a big hug. They walk out with their arms around each other. And I did see Odo give another eye roll.

Like, he's already given a couple of irals in the opposite. I was like, this episode, instead of blood oath, could have been called eye roll because he does give it over and over again. It's unbelievable. I made a note that we should make a drinking game out of every time auto rolls. You got to take a sip. It's as weird as when he smiles. Is that how it looks? I'm sorry, it was so good.

I don't know how I'm doing it. You're a shapeshifter. Terry is doing the most bizarre-looking smile right now. It was amazing. I can't do it again. Now I'm laughing too hard. Do the five bucks. You can see the video of her making Odo faces.

And she's doing it very well. How did you do that? I don't know. It's like when you got to. I can't even do what you just like mine looks derpy, but I can't. Yeah. I don't even. Yeah.

Okay, whatever. You just need a few more years on you. And then you'll be able to. And then I'll be able to do it then. There you go. That's a reason to become a Patreon patron at least. Just to see Terry's Terry doing her Odo-shaped-shap-smiling face. Odo smiling face.

That should be an emoji. My God. Odo's smiling face, a specific emoji, develop just for you, Terry. Yeah. You can send to all the Trek actors that you know, right? That would be very funny. It's such a weird-looking smile. It is.

Well, we go to the replemate. They go out arm and arm. We take a sip as Zoto rolls his eyes. and we go to the reprimat next, where Kolath is cutting a dessert. Isn't that overkill to use a Klingon knife to cut a what looks like, I don't know, sponge cake?

Don't you shame a Klingon? I'm not shaming. Weapons? Okay. Well, and he's got to make sure it's sharp enough to cut this delicate dessert. Okay. So he's testing it.

Kora actually says, look at him. He practices cuts and thrust even with his food. Little children do that. Very funny. If I had a knife like that, I would use it for dinner. Really? Yeah, that's an expensive knife. And it was beautiful.

So the same knife that you do all you're battling with. You're going to use for food as well. Are you clean it? They're going to eat somebody's heart. No. Okay. You're giving a spoiler, Robbie. That's a spoiler.

Okay. True. Sorry. Why am I saying sorry? I don't know. You're apologizing for Robbie now. Yes, thank you. Koloth's cutting his dessert when Kora Dax arrive and Kolof does not recognize Kurson

and he does not recognize Dax. Right. She explains that Dax lives inside Jedziah now and Dax then asks, is Kang coming just when he arrives? And he says that he has found the albino. Dund, da, da, yes. So this is the scene where we get all three of those original Klingon. back together. Gosh, their makeup was just perfection in this episode.

It really was. Michael Westmore, you're my hero. You know. I love you, L.A. Dad. The three Klingons are back together for the first time. Very exciting. Been Dax's quarters right now. Yes, we go to Dax's quarters.

There's four drinks are replicated. But CORE's the only one drinking. Why? Why only CORE? I don't know. Because he's the only. one that really gets that I am I was curzon and he's all in with me right away got it so he's comfortable he's relaxed he's ready to go yeah right and the other two are skeptical got it well yeah

dax is trying to convince Kang that she's that she's curzon dax right he doesn't seem fully convinced no in this scene yeah but king does tell us all about this albino that he got some news from some traders about the location where he's hiding and um Kang says he's going to find him. He's going to rip his heart out. Yeah. And he's going to eat it while the albino watches. Right.

Before you go on, we also find out that Dax is the godfather of Kang's son. We also find out, I think, in this scene that the blood oath was made. We didn't even, you know, this is the first time we hear about the blood oath. We're at the promenade next. We're on the upper level. Kang and Dax are walking by the windows. Do you remember filming the scene? I remember all of it.

I really do. Yeah. Isn't that funny? Not just because I was in everything, but because I really loved it and I had so much fun doing it. And it meant a lot to me. It was a huge opportunity to be a side of Dax that no one's really gotten to see before. So I had a full meal of acting ahead of me in storytelling. So that did not escape me. And I don't think I was nervous about any of it. It was just more exciting. I was so excited to do it. Yeah. And like you said earlier, you got to interact with three men from old Hollywood. Yeah, movie stars. I was working with old school movie stars. And if they're storytellers, those are the best days on set. When you get old veterans telling stories, it's the best. Yeah. Well, you're walking by the promenade window, beautiful shot.

We learned that Curzon was the first Starfleet diplomat to truly understand the Klingons. That's a big deal. Huge. It is. in terms of the mythology of Klingons and Starfleet and all of it, like that's huge. Yeah, Dax's in Stobacore, definitely.

Yeah, yeah. That's the Klingons version of heaven, Stobacore. Mm-hmm. Yes, Dax is basically the all aliens best friends because you know everything about Ferengi, you hang out with the Frangi, you know how to play their games, you're interested in their culture,

and now we learn, because of Curzon, you have respect for the Klingon culture as well. Yeah. Yeah, deep Yeah. Well, you're standing by the windows. You talk about the blood of oath and eating the albinos heart. Jack says she knows that a Klingon oath cannot be broken. That oath that she took to join them in this revenge and eat the heart. She can't break that oath because she respects Klingon tradition. But Kang says in the scene, you know, I think times are changing. Those kids, those crazy kids nowadays, they're doing, you know, they're serving. Doesn't he say something like they're opening restaurants and serving rock?

or something. In reference to our one Klingon restaurant on D-S-9. Right. But he's also saying that they're serving Rock to... Oh, grandchildren of the men that he slaughtered in battle, yes. Oh, yeah. So they've lost honor. Yeah.

Well, he releases her from the oath in this scene. He says, you're not part of the blood oath anymore. Which Dax is not happy about, by the way. Nope. How would you feel about eating the heart? What if, like, there's Dax going, I respect the. blood oath. I'll do this. I'll eat the heart. Like, what if you had that scene? I'm an actor and I would eat the heart, but it wouldn't be a heart. It wouldn't be a human heart for God's sakes.

No, probably not. I mean, no, of course I would do it. What am I saying? No, it's of course not. I wouldn't have a problem with that. Here's a quote from you. Terry Farrell thought that it would have been interesting to have the episode end with Dax considering fulfilling Kang's promise to cut out the albino's heart and eat it. Did I say that? Yeah, here's again. Here's your quote. Here's your quote. I thought it would have been cool if it ended not with me taking a bite, but holding the heart. So you didn't know if I was going to take a bite or not. That's your actual quote, which is kind of very artistic to see you holding it, but still gross as heck that you're holding a human. It is, but I mean, if you're getting into the Klingon mindset on this and holding on to the honor like I did in the episode Dax for Anita Tandro, I held Curzon's respect for her.

and I didn't give up who she was. So why would we expect Dax not to keep moving through it with authenticity of wanting to honor the Klingon tradition? Obviously, it touches her as well, Jazea, not just hers on. It's something that really probably gets her at the bottom of her soul, you know, something deep. Mm-hmm. You know. Well, I'm glad that I didn't have to watch you eat a heart. Me too.

I really think that was just knowing their audience that it would have been too much. So we go to ops next. Dax and Kira are working. And Dax starts to fish a little. She asked Kira how many people she killed in the resistance. And Kira's surprised by that question. She's kind of uncomfortable. She worries Dax is considering killing someone.

That's when Dax explains about this oath to avenge the albino. And this is where we learn about the three kids that were killed. Yeah. Yeah. That the albino killed the children with a virus, yeah. Yes. But we do know that the albino led the depredators to basically raid these Klingon colonies. There were three Klingon warships that were sent to stop him.

And one of the captains was a close friend of Kursons. The mission was successful. But basically, this albino said, I am going to get revenge on these Klingons that were sent after me. And I'm going to kill each one of their firstborn sons. And those three are the three Klingons that we see in this episode, basically, right? And he honored his promise. He did. He killed them with, yes, a genetic virus that killed these innocent children, which is absolutely wrong and horrifying that that happened.

But that is the story. We learned the whole thing here. What's crazy, guys, is that we later learned that he's been hiding for 25 years or something like that. The last 25 years or something, they have no idea where he's at. And I just keep thinking, as the albino, boy, you. You really have to have a pretty good stock portfolio or at least some type of good balance sheet because you have to hire guards to protect you from the Klingons for 25 years, like just nonstop. This is where you go.

Like, you know what? He was probably, what would they do? Yeah. He was probably a really horrible, scary guy, which if you didn't follow him, he would kill you. So you're trapped. You see one guy get murdered, then everybody falls in line, right? Yeah. That's the impression I got from the end of why I know.

And another thing we learned from this scene that Curzon's godson was named Dax after Curzon Dax as well. So there's a very, very close relationship amongst Curzon Dax and the three Clingons. Very close. Absolutely. And I love the scene with Kara because it takes pause and it's like, I don't remember another scene where we are both revealing such intimate details about how we're feeling. was so much fun to watch because those scenes are so rare and it was really good yeah and the kind

of vulnerability and this kind of this private very private you know very personal kinds of you know details that you're sharing with each other and kira does say at the end of the scene she advises dax like be careful with this because you know i i learned when you kill someone a part of you dies as well you're not just killing them but you're yeah well and she's experienced it. Yeah. Yeah. But also, Kira takes Kang's side in terms of the release of the blood oath. I mean, Kira believes, listen, that's a prior Dax. That's a prior lifetime. You shouldn't be beholden to those debts or that blood oath. So I

agree with Kang to release you, right? Well, and that is my oath as a joint trill is to not meddle in past lives. Right. That's part of your prime objective. Well, you know what? I'm coloring outside the box. because I am. Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Dax. Clearly.

And also, the albino took out your godson and your namesake. Yeah. Dax. Your namesake. It's, yeah, it's very serious. Especially when you can't have children when you're joined. That's right. This is a big deal.

Yeah. Big deal. Yeah, it's very interesting, too, because it does sort of reveal like you're saying, and I didn't know this, but that symbiont is not supposed to meddle in past live issues, but yet it's still there. Like these memories. the feelings, all of that. It's kind of like our, what do you call that,

the reptilian brain or amygdala or whatever it is. Yeah, like stuff that gets burned in there. The host, Jadzia is supposed to honor that everything that Dax, the symbiont, has gone through, is in the past. I mean, obviously, it informs a lot. We've already talked about the layers and all of that of her trying to assimilate and try out new things when we met Arjun, the Trill Initiate. But I think sometimes this is one of those examples where the heart wants when it wants.

And if you have a strong conviction, if your integrity is about standing up for your morals, and this is a moral issue for her. You killed part of my family. I mean, if you're a God parent and you don't have children, I even think if you, I mean, no, you're a God parent because if something happens to the parents, you take over. That's your job. Yeah. And so that's an enormous responsibility. I can see where that doesn't go away.

I don't feel any less love for my niece and nephews from my marriage to Brian. I'm still auntie. Yeah. You know, there's still my niece and nephew. The other thing that comes to mind when you say Godparent, because it's a very religious kind of spiritual role that you're responsible for kind of the spiritual experience of the child in a big way. And so that must mean that Curzon Dax was not just connecting with the Klingons, but actually kind of accepting some of their spiritual practices too. Yeah, 100%. He's part of the family.

Part of the family. Curzon was part of the family. Yeah. Kira's final lines in this scene, when you take someone's life, you lose a part of your own as well. You mentioned that already, Robbie. But that to me is very, it sounds very Buddhist. So I wonder, is that a Bajoran religious mandate? Oh, I know what I'm saying? So if that is, let's say it is. So the Bajoran religion is very similar to Buddhism, I guess, because you're not supposed to take any life of any living thing, whether it's an insect or a bird or. or anything mammal you name it and i think they would write that purposefully yeah i would assume yeah i think with great conviction that it does have to do with the pejoran faith religion because why else would they say it yeah yeah yeah why else would they have her say it yeah right all right all right well we go to quirks next court is uh drunk he's got a couple of daubo girls next to him his arms

are wrapped around these daubo girls a great wide angle shot a wide length shot when it comes down from on top of him drinking and yeah it was just a cool lens it was a very wide lens it felt like a david livingson like exactly i forgot that it was rick colby i said did david direct a scene i mean yeah exactly it's so wide such a wide lens yeah it worked but dax arrives ask the girls to step away please uh wants a private moment and she tells cora that kang and colath don't want her to help. Yeah. And Core says, well, they're not going to listen to me.

So you can see that he feels like he's past his prime, he's drinking too much, he's kind of given up on who he used to be. And Dax reminds him how he was once a great and powerful fighter. And he's got a moment where he gets really sad in here, where he remembers, you know, who he once was. Yeah, he referred to himself his bulbous body. it's not the same as it was before he's he's put some pounds on so it's yeah because i was once if you remember far less than you see and far more than i have become so very poetic that is just

heartbreaking isn't it and he and he apologizes at the end he goes i'm sorry he's like i'm sorry at the end so yeah and i give him one last no that's not how i see you that's not how i remember you that's not how i see you i know who is great and powerful yeah and she leaves you them with that. But it's kind of Dax's job to sort of be the moral support and also the cheerleader in this way to make these Klingons get ready for this battle. She's kind of, you know, she knows how to speak to each one of them. She knows how to deal with them. Yeah. Yeah. And I think what's nice, too, is she's the voice of clarity because she's the youngest and she's a science officer and they don't have any separation from it. And she does. She has this, she can seek hers on this point of view. She has her own point

of you and she brings clarity to the party like in this story so much of the clingons is we used to be great now we're just old men right you know we're old drinking a lot of their story but dax has curzon like time is different for dax you know time for these guys it's always moving forward and they're getting older and bodies falling apart it's finite it will end for it will end but for dax as curzon and jumping around i i had never thought of it this way like yeah that perspective is timeless yeah and so this also lives in esri decks and whoever's going to be after usri and so on and so on yeah well cool we'll be right back after this message from our sponsor hey garrett have you been traveling this summer oh my gosh so much already

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Koloth is there practicing his moves with the Batleth. The scene. I love this scene. Ends with a blade right in your face, like all of his moves. We see Dax walk in and then he turns. Do you remember that shot? Was it in reverse? Did they do like a pull away? No. Stop.

Yeah. Really? Yeah. And it wasn't Bill. I'm pretty sure it was probably done. or Tom because yeah it would be too much to expect them to be but I trusted him and I just stood in I've been rewatching the mission impossibles and I was like I had myself a mission impossible moment yes you did thank you Tom Cruise I love those shows it's just like I'm an adrenaline junkie

for those shows but he there was there was something where it was like right next to his eye and when I watched the show this morning I was like yes that's it that's it Cruz would be impressed. Yes. Don't be proud of you. Well, the batleth comes right by your face, and she announces to Koloth there that she's coming, period. She's going to go.

And Koloth says, no, he tells her to leave. Then she has the computer give her a batleth, and they fight hard. That was a long fight. It was a, oh, my God. It was great, though, wasn't it? Don't you love it when I ordered the Batleth? And I'm like exactly the size and exactly the weight. Yeah.

Tip to tip 100. Tipped to tip 116 centimeters. Weight 5.3 kilos with an exterior hand gripping diameter, five centimeters. Blades composite back a night. I'm like, whoa. Do you want to see it now? Yes. Do you have the Batleth?

Let's see it. They gave you the actual. Here it is. Whoop, whoop. Look at that. Wow. Is that metal? Is it made from?

Oh, my God. It is. Oh. Oh, yeah. Wow. It's a camera. Oh, my goodness. You can see.

Yeah. And it's pretty sharp. Like, I don't think I'd want to enter my helm if I was holding this. Yeah. That's amazing. I have two dogs and my bat list. You should keep that behind your bed frame. I'm not telling you where I keep it.

So if you ever show up and piss me off. How did you rehearse these fights? You would never get used that against Gawa. Sorry. Oh, well, they were, I know. They were rubber. I mean, they had a, like, something that gave them structure,

but they were a rubber, silver thing. We only used these in one scene. Right. Which scene did you use it in? When we get to the albino. The albinos, there's one reveal of all four of us. Yeah. And that's when all four of us carried these,

so there were four of them. Dan Curry designed these. Okay, so we're in the middle of the battle, the fight between you and Koloth. It's a good fight. How was that? How did you? Do you remember rehearsing for that or?

Oh, yeah, we rehearsed it like a dance. Yeah, over and over and over again. But, you know, with constraints on time, it's not like a film where you could have all morning working on it. It's, you probably get half an hour. Yeah, half an hour. Yeah, and then you work on it on your own. You don't recall having a stunt double there, like working on someone that was all you?

There were certain shots. I thought, is that her or is that me? And then I was like, no, I'd turn. And it's like, no, I know I did it all. And I wanted to do it all. So there was nothing that put me in grave danger. So it was no reason for her to do it. Yeah.

You know. Do you remember when you were rehearsing? I'm sure Dennis Madelone or the stunt people were there. Was Dan Curry there with you to help in any way? Oh, I'm sure he was on the set because he was so proud of the design of the Batleth, right? And all the movers are it. It might have been the first time I met him. Wow.

Right. But in rehearsing that, I. I do remember, I don't remember who I rehearsed with. It could have been Tom, but it might have been Dennis. But you know, when you do sports as a kid, it's to me, that's the stunt coordinator is like a coach to me. Yes. Right? You have to trust everything they're saying.

And then, but what goes along with it is your need to please them and get it right as quick as possible. So that is so ingrained to me that kind of, that part of my people pleasing. I don't think would ever go away on the set. I got this coach. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to make you proud. Yeah, I'm going to make you a coach.

You're going to be so proud of you. Look how good I am. That has a nice ring to it. Coach Matalone. It actually works well. I'm sure he would have loved that. Yes. I loved him.

I loved, but I love doing the physical stuff. It's my most favorite part. Yeah. So much fun. Yeah. It was really good. A very long fight, longer than your average fight. Yeah.

fight really well done ultimately it you know kind of goes back and forth in the fight it seems like dax is winning seems like colath is winning but in the end coloth does ultimately win core shows up yeah and the other guys walk in during the fight yeah i love cor's line there is tension on your face coloff you want to drink because you want to drink more is what he tells him he's like you should be having more alcohol in you so cute yeah coloth does win then tells you to stand up and then he says to you it will do them honor if you join them

so yes Dax has proven herself but not yet though right the very final line is Kang he's still a no here Colour says yes but Kang says absolutely not no I tell you now you will not be part of this quest

so you have convinced two of the three but not the final detractor yeah breaking him down Kang's the last one Yep. Well, we go into Quarks Cafe next. The Three Clingons and Dax enter. Cora is coughing. Whenever I see a character coughing in a TV or TV show or movie, if they're coughing on screen, that means they're sick. Yeah.

They're going to die. Thanks, Robbins. It does. I know. So not just sick, but terminally ill is what you're trying to tell me. They're going to die. Thank you. They're going to die. Okay. Just so everybody listening, so you know, if you see someone cough, coughing, they will die. They're going to die.

No, you don't know that for sure. Because if you cough, if you were doing a scene and you weren't supposed to cough, but you went, oh, excuse me, they would cut it out. Yeah, they would cut it out. Yeah, that's true. The only reason it's in is because it's a foreshadowing. Yeah. It's foreshadowing. And a movie, they might let you because it's real.

It's a real thing that's happening. Yeah. So I knew immediately he started coughing. I'm like, he's dead. He's dead. He's dead. Okay. And even says you're too.

sick for battle. Like Kang says, you can't do this. Right. Dax and Kang sit down, though. Dax demands that she have the right to revenge and keep her blood oath. And Kang still says no. And she reminds him when she turned her back on him. She tells a story about when she walked in and no one had ever turned their back on him and it really made him angry. And it was that anger. She knew that she needed to create a bond with him. So she had read him well, and she gets him angry again in this scene. Yeah.

And ultimately, he agrees to let her fight. So it worked. I know. Do you think this will work twice? Yeah. And it does. I understand Klingham. It does work twice.

Yes. But Curzon Dax was almost killed by Kang because of the turning of the back. That we also learned that. Oh, that almost happened. But Dax, Curzon Dax didn't die because he didn't. cough so clearly uh exactly just don't ever cough don't call not till the end except not to the bitter

end yeah anybody listening if you get cast in a tv movie or something don't cough because if you cough they're going to have to kill you exactly oh good or if you read definitely don't wear red on star try no or if you read that your character happens to cough in the script well we're sorry for you you're probably not going oh my word don't listen to them guys let's keep going let's keep going Dax's quarters is next. Yeah. Oh, boy. She's packing up.

Oh, boy. Uncle Cisco comes in. Good old Uncle Cisco. Yeah. He's not happy at all. No. No. He says, nope, you can't go.

Yep. Do you love that when he walks? Nope. There's not even a conversation. Nope. He just says no. Yeah. Dax's first line of was like, I was just about to come see you.

Cisco response, no. That's it. There's nothing else in there. Just, no. And Dax is like, no, what? No, what? Yeah. No leave of absence.

No leave of absence. None. He does argue in the scene, he says, even if this is an oath or whatever, you know, blood oath, it's still murder. You're murdering someone. Yeah. And he also argues, I can order you not to do this. I'm your superior officer. You're a Starfleet.

You're not going to go do this. And Dax sticks by her guns. No, she's quite resolute in joining the Klingon. Yeah, she says, they took an oath. Yeah. She was sorry. sorry Cisco not going to happen I'm going with the guys

but then he switches gears and says do you really think you're capable of this and I think that was really smart writing that to have him change gears because it's like he's not winning he's a smart enough the character's smart enough to change it up and let me appeal another way

this is how much I care about you and worried about you I am yeah good writing yeah because he says at the end do you really think you're going to just be able to come back to ops and just go back to work like nothing happened you're going to murder someone and just be the same yeah and look at her response yeah i guess that'll be up to you and that's the end of that scene it's just strong writing and very very yeah oh because it says also he

says you expect to come back here and resume your duties as though nothing has happened right yeah no punishment well it's not just that it's like a combination of things right yeah yeah stepping back and be a lieutenant dax and how i'm going to live with myself yeah if i murder someone yeah there's consequences on multiple levels multiple levels personal levels and not that we haven't already murdered people in starfleet i mean we kill bad guys it's not and that's not even talking about eating someone's hard either okay that's just the actual yeah yes okay and you do bring up um cling on justice this is cling on justice like because he talks about star Fleet justice or something, I think, in the scene.

And you're like, sure, Starfleet has their justice. This is different. This is Klingon justice. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for saying that. Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

It's totally different. Yeah. Well, we go onto the Bird of Prey Bridge. We see the Bird of Prey flying, which was cool. I just love those ships. Me too. Yeah. It's just fun to be in a different ship, too.

Yeah. You know, you're just like, wow, I don't know this space. Yeah. Exciting. Yeah, I bet. I bet. That's cool. Well, we cut inside. We see the team going over battle plans, but we don't see any crew in there. It's all on autopilot, Robbie. You know that. I guess, but it would look like a big shit. I know. It does kind of look like we needed crew. I mean, it was a little weird. Yeah,

just a few Klingons in there. But they probably, again, we're down to budget. What are we doing? Yes. We're down to budget. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, they're going over the plans. The odds seem really bad. Cor and Coloth say it's a good day to die and leave. And homie don't play that. I am not up for dying. We're not coming into this with death on our mind. This is a suicide mission. And that's when she realizes, oh, that's why you didn't want me to come.

You knew this was a suicide mission. You were trying to protect me. And then he admits to you in this scene that he has contacted the albino, that they agreed to this glorious final battle. just end this after all these years. Yeah. And the albinus said he's going to use 40 of his most skilled guards, send them to fight the Klingons.

The four of us are going to fight 40 guards. Yeah. The four of us. Yeah. What a yutz. Yeah. Well, King even says there's no chance of victory here. I know it.

But he wants to die in honorable death. And then Dax comes up with this idea. Well, if we use the disruptor banks on the ship to neutralize their weapons, it'll be a little more of a fair fight. Right. Then maybe we can win with the battleaths because their weapons won't work. Exactly.

And I love at the end, King considers this and he says, you know, it's a good day to live. Yeah. But I also like, when he said, do you really think this is possible? And I'm like, well, with Kerr's on decks, she would be out of luck.

But Judziah is a science officer. I was like, yes. My skills. I got skills. I also love that Dax knows, she mentions a certain strategy. She says, well, if there's 50 guards or 40 or 50 guards, then we should use the Nengoran strategy. Dax knows the Klingon strategy because Ken goes, no, I'm not going to sneak in his bedroom and murder him like a kapla. Yeah.

So they're both on the like the Klingon strategy way. She points out things that they're not thinking of. Like, how do you know he's, is he there or is he not there? It is when they talk about the guards being 75 meters apart, like, that doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. So let's assume it's 50, 50 meters apart. So it's nice that she has a military strategy brain too that's helpful to them. For sure.

And they're still overly pumped with emotion about it. Yeah, they only see one version. It's of them storming the gates and dying a noble thing. death or something. That's all they can imagine. But Dax's numerous different lifetimes that have that she's lived through her experience has given her so much. You know what Dax is?

Dax is the Swiss Army knife of the show. I mean, she could do everything. Yeah, practically anything. Practically. Well, we cut to the forest next. And we see that this compound where the albino is, looks like a castle.

It's a Frank Lloyd Wright House in Pasadena, I think. What is it called? It's a Frank Lloyd Wright. Mm-hmm. A Frank Lloyd Wright house. We didn't get to go inside, but wow, was so gorgeous. So the exterior, correct, of the Albino's Fortress, was a house in Pasadena designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, a model of it, which was blown up.

So they actually built a model of the actual house, which that's what they blew up later, right? But the interior, of course, was on stage 18, yeah. And it was actually built. That actual set was built for a TNG episode mass. as Masaka's temple. So it was a pre, it's a repurpose. Reuse of an older set. But most of it we shot, I mean, the inside, obviously, is on the set.

But everything in the exterior, we were there. At the house. Right? Yeah. Yeah, we shot it there. We can only do exteriors. Obviously couldn't touch the building. Yeah.

But we could do a lot. We did a lot. It was perfect. It looked like a fortress. It's gorgeous. Yeah. It was super cool. We're in the forest.

They're looking at this. Frank Lloyd Wright House, and Dax has been using a tricorder out here in the forest. They're trying to formulate strategy. They realize there's a mine, you know, like a booby trap at the main threshold, so storming the gates. Bad idea. Koloth decides to go ask someone if the albino's there. Sure, just go ask someone. So he gets up and leaves.

And after he leaves, they continue strategizing. They realize they're going to have to shut down the power. to create a diversion, and then Dax will be the one to run across this big open field because, with all due respect, you guys are getting a little old. They aren't as young as they used to be, I think. They're a little long of the tooth. Yeah. Then we cut over to Koloth, who's gone to ask someone, if the albino's there.

And it's one of the lookout guys with the helmets on. I thought it was Dennis Madelone. It might have been. Oh, it had to have been him. Yeah. I think it was, Dennis. It's his hair. Do you recognize that chin?

His shiny black hair. Part of it is like when he got hit, his long, you see, it's the double pump of the head when he's, you know, getting hit or choked out or whatever. Yeah.

It was just the, the Madelan style of, you know, taking a hit. Taking a shot. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's how he taught all of us to do it. Exactly.

He did. He really did. Well, we go back to the main group and Koloth returns. He confirms that there was a helpful, very helpful, lookout who said the albina was inside and they head out. I thought that was very funny. You don't really see any of what happens with Dennis Madelone except the first moment.

And he does kind of move his bat lift around him. So it almost looked like did he break his neck or did he cut his throat? Yeah. Yeah. He's got to hold him to get the information. And he would have had to, you know, have him conscious for at least a minute. We go to this into the compound. This is where one of the guards gets his throat cut. Another one gets a more direct approach from Dax who says, can you tell me where the tennis courts are? I know. I was like, tennis courts?

What? I seem to be lost. Yeah, the tennis courts, of course. Help me. Before I knock you out. Yeah, and then she knocks him out. Nice job. Robbie,

whose job would it be to put like blood and whatever on the edge or the tip of makeup? Oh, makeup to do it or props. That would be props. Yeah. They didn't do that. No. Like anytime anyone got killed, they didn't show any blood, which is actually, I prefer to that. You know, I actually don't want to send so much gore. You know, you want the kids to be able to watch it.

You do. Except we're talking about eating people's hearts. Yeah, I know. They wanted to be PG on one side. If it were a feature version, there would have been a lot of blood. There would be blood. Yeah. Okay.

Well, Dax knocks out the guy before she finds out where the tennis courts are, so there goes your tennis game. Yeah, you can't play tennis now. Well, I had to head to the armory, right? Yeah. You did. To blow it up. To blow it up.

And then we cut to that model shot. We see the big kabum. Yeah. The place blows. We cut inside. The albino is paying attention now. Before we see the albino, we see the guards tracking Jadzia daks running across the field, but their weapons aren't working.

So we know that this disruptor plan. Look at that. It works. Science. Science, baby. Yeah. But inside the albinos freaking out. They're all scrambling to prepare some kind of defense.

He's not a dummy. He orders a scan of the, if there's a cloaked ship. He's like, check and see if there's a cloak ship. Maybe they're creating this interference. So we're not sure if he's going to, you know, turn that off or figure it out. Maybe they're going to, their weapons will be useful at some point. Back outside, we see Dax joining Kang, Koloff, and Kor. And then we go inside this command post.

I just wrote a note here. Fight time. They fight a lot. That note. Yeah, it was really overwhelmed. It was chaos. Yeah. Wasn't it chaos?

Oh, my God. So much fighting. So much fighting. I remember it felt like chaos doing it because, you know, you're, you set up each shot just for the camera, right? Each in the fight scene. Well, Robbie, you know that. And so when you're doing it, it's the director and the script supervisor that are on top of the shots that they're, getting but when you're as the actor doing it in these types of things it's you just have to trust you're

doing exactly what they're saying and just don't worry about it yeah do you remember this terry in the notes on the interweb it says to set the mood for the fight sequences director vinnych colby had wagner's gotter damarung played on set so the german composer wagner's Do you recall that? I don't. Oh, well, that I don't remember. Well, if Rick said it, he did it. I just don't remember it.

It would be perfect for Rick Colby to play a Wagner song. Yeah, I mean, he might have played it and then we did everything. But I can't imagine they was playing it while we were filming because you need those sounds. You'd have to loop the whole thing. Right. And you don't want to. And those, and in those, unlike being on the stage, of course, you're miced. You're physically miced.

So that's where you have to remember to turn off your mic when you go to the bathroom. Yes. You guys come into that backlit smoke. Yeah, it was great. Yeah. The fighting starts. We see the albino is a chicken. He's hiding behind all his guards and letting them die.

Yeah. We see Koloth get wounded. Yeah. He gets stabbed in the gut, right? That kind of broke me up. I forgot about that. Yeah, it was tough to watch that. You know what Rick Colby said?

He commented, this was the closest, it was the closest thing to Beowulf that I ever saw. There was a mythological quality to it, and these guys were real heroes. I played Wagner, Wagner in my mind the whole day, and it had a feel that was beyond episodic television. It was really the three musketeers on a smaller scale. and I loved it. Yeah. You can tell he loved it. Well, I would say four musketeers, but who's counting?

Well, yeah, they said the fourth musketeer, D'Artagnan would have been Dax. Cora would be Porthos, Coloth would be Aramis, and Kang would be Aethos. Who was I? You're D'Artagnan. D'Artagnan. I like that name. I like that. Look at this.

Another note, Terry Farrell is a big fan of this episode because it reveals a great deal of depth to Dax. Farrell felt that each of the three. Klingons required a different approach from her and that the character is capable of switching gears like that is something that she is quite proud of. Quote, with Khor, I had to convince him that he was a hero and that

in my eyes, he would always be a hero. So that was philosophical. With Koloth, I had to prove that I was strong enough to go to battle with him, so that was physical. And with Kang, I had to prove to him that my desire and need to be part of this blood oath was strong enough that I could

not imagine staying behind, that I was mentally strong and capable enough. So I had to exhibit the honor, the physical strength, and the mental perseverance to go with them. That's your question. You're smart, Terry. Look at that. This is way back in the day when you said that using your $5. Thank you.

Oh, I'm so, I'm so proud of this episode. And it's, it makes me feel emotional because it's, I'm so proud of the character and so honored to be a part of the whole Star Trek world. but to get to play a character like Dax, I just, that's, that's endless, that is luck, that is so luck in lightning in a jar to have gotten to be Dax. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll always be proud of her. Because it's, it's so much of me in it too. I mean, how could it not be? But when you play something for six years, and it's so many different facets of my personality in Dax. Yeah. Well, I love it. And I love what you said there.

are. I love those quotes. Thanks, Gary. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So Koloth just got wounded in this fight. Then Kang gets injured as well. Yes. Can goes over. He joins Kolof. Oh, like, come on, man. Oh, like, I'm not going to die before you, you thunderous bulk. Even though they're both dying. And then he dies. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry, but what the bleep? I'm watching and going, I forgot. He died. Are you kidding me? Yeah. Coloth dies. King is injured. Orr is injured.

The original idea was they were all going to die, Robbie. All three Klingons were going to die in this. Only Dax was supposed to be alive. So they changed it. When Michael and Sarah attacks the albino going up the stairs, and I love that move, how he parlays himself above the albino. I was like, oh, thank goodness, because you're never going to get it if you're below. Below fighting him from down.

And then I have to fight him. I just don't remember that they died. and because in my mind they're still my warriors that I'm setting off with and when I have to fight the Albino I thought okay I kind of don't remember that and then when Michael and Sarah gives him the final blow I was like oh

thank God I didn't kill him so yeah yes yes but I've lost two dear friends I know Michael and Sarah when the other two does he say it is a good day to die Who says that? He says that, right? Michael and Sarah's character?

I think. And I say it's never a good day to lose a friend. Kang says it. It's a good day. Kang says it. And he dies right after it, doesn't he? Yeah. Yeah.

And then I say it's never a good day to lose a friend. That's what you say to him. Yeah. After he say, it's a good day to die and he dies. Exactly. It's a very sad scene. It kind of ends Terry when you bring up like it's never a good day to lose a friend.

That was heartbreaking in that moment. Wasn't it? But you didn't remember that, though. Right? When you started watching this, you did not remember that two of the Klingons died. No, I did not remember that. No, it choked me up when I was, I was watching it. You got emotional. Yeah. When Dax walks back into Ops, there's no dialogue in this scene. She walks back in. I love it. Yeah. Cisco stares at her. He goes into the office. Kira looks away.

Yeah. And you can tell that Dax has really lost a part of her innocence or her soul. or something, you know, that Carol was right. Something's going to die in you too. Yeah. Even though I didn't kill someone, I was still part of the whole mission. Yeah. And we don't know if John Colacose and my character, did we eat the heart? We don't know.

Yeah, we don't see that. But it's obviously it was a life-changing event for Dax to go through. Absolutely. Yeah. And losing two very dear friends. Yeah. Colicoast does reprise his role of core in two later DeSpace 9 episodes, one in season four and one in season seven. So we have two more appearances from John Colacost.

So that's good. That's a good thing. We made it to the end. Dax is sad and a little a little wiser, I guess, after all of this. I think so. Yeah. But something she had to do. It's a sad ending.

It really is. Don't go anywhere. We've got lots more after this message from our sponsor. The theme I got was revenge is never satisfying. You may think that revenge will be satisfying, but it's not ultimately, you know, that like Kara said, part of you's going to die too. I agree. You know, part of the revenge that you deal to someone else is going to take something from

you as well. Yeah, that's my lesson. I would go back to thine own self be true because she fought. to do something, but she still has to live with the consequences. Yeah. She had to do this thing and yet you're going to, there's going to be consequences. There are. And so if you follow your heart, just know there will be consequences, however honorable your choice. And if you're okay with that and that still sits with you well, then you need to follow your heart because you won't forgive yourself if you don't. Yeah. The golden rule, which is do unto others as you wish them to do

went to you. You don't want others to kill you. So why would you kill them? So, you know, yeah, same thing. It just... Yeah. And that doesn't make it right. No, it just, you know... Your deaths don't make it right. Yeah, you're not going to feel better. Yeah. No, I'm not going to kill somebody because of something that happened in the past. Terry, what do you think the Patreon poll winner is for theme or moral of this episode? I thought you would never ask Mr. McNeil, Alexander Ray, don't go looking for revenge and expect to find justice. There you go. Well, said.

It kind of puts it all in a nutshell. Well, thank you, everyone, for tuning in to this recap and discussion of the Deep Space Nine episode Blood Oath. Please join us next time when we will be reviewing and recapping the episode, The Maquis, Part One, the Maquis, something Robbie and I know a little bit about. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Armin will be joining us for that one, but we want to thank Terry for joining us on this one. For all of our Patreon patrons, please stay tuned for your bonus materials. I'm going to be able to be.