The Delta Flyers - Cardassians

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell & Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. This week’s episode, Cardassians, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.Cardassins: Bashir is surprised when his “friend” Garak, a Cardassian tailor, is attacked and bitten by a Cardassian boy.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Tom Paynter, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, James H. Morrow, Nicole Anne Toma, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, David Buck, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jonathan Brooks, Gemma Laidler, Rob Traverse, Matt Norris, Stephanie Lee, Izzy Jaffer, Jan Hanford, Sam Mikelic, & Thomas IrvinOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Luz R., Dannielle Kaminski, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, E & John, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Jenna Appleton, Lee Lisle, Sarah Thompson, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Mary Burch, Sandra Stengel, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, Tae Phoenix, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Danie Crofoot, Steven Lugo, Penny Liu, David Smith, Lisa Hill, Stacy Davis, Lena Pfitzmeier & Timothy McMichens, & Kevin HarlowAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Patrick Carlin, Eve England, Ann Harding,Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carol Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Mike Fillmon, Chad Awkerman, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Claire Deans, Maxine Soloway, Barbara Beck, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Vikki Williams, Cindy Ring, Alicia Kulp, Kelly Brown, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Rob Johnson, Maria Rosell, Heather Choe, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Dominique Weidle, Justin Weir, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, John Richardson, Heather Selig, Rachel Shapiro, Clark Ochikubo, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Tim Neumark, Will Forg, Jeremy Gaskin, Ryan Tomei-Sigurðarson, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, James Lyszczek, Russell Nemhauser, Lawrence Green, Greg Kenzo Wickstrom, Lisa Gunn, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, Dean Chew, Linda Daireaux, Mars DeVore, Robert Allen Stiffler, Jennifer Vaughn, Walkerius Logos, PJ Pick, Preston Meyer, Rebecca Leary, Ryan Mahieu, Andrew Cook-Feltz, Karen Galleski, Constance, Loretta Reyes, Cassandra Girard, Francesca Garibaldi, Willow Whitcomb, Jadzia Mehari, & MoThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Welcome to the Delta Flyers as we journey through the wormhole. Your hosts along this journey are my fellow esteemed Star Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robbie McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. To receive the complete version of this podcast, please check out patreon.com forward slash the Delta Flyers and sign up to become a patron for the amazing, amazing bonus material that you will get if you're a patron. Hello, Robbie. Hello, Terry. Hello, there.

Hey. Hello, Gawa. I feel like we're all a little mellow. We just spent the weekend together in Philadelphia. My ass is kicked, I got to say. I'm still tired, too. We were just talking about it. Terry flew back Monday.

Robbie and I flew back Sunday. And I said to Terry, all day Monday was me trying to stay awake. I'll be honest. I took 14 naps throughout Monday. I kept sleeping waking up, sleeping, waking up. And I said to Terry, Robbie, I said, I feel like because we are all now over 50, travel is absolutely exhausting when we go across the country for all of us now. Am I right?

It's no longer the adventure that it was when we were in our 20s. It was definitely not an adventure for me. My flight was four hours delayed. The Delta Club was closed and every restaurant was closed. So I didn't get home until 3 a.m. or something. 3 a.m. Mountain time. So 5 a.m. Philly time. It was like I was beat up.

So good to see you guys. I don't do a lot of conventions. Did you get the long wait going through security? Yes. And I saw Cam Newton. He was right behind me. Cam Newton, the NFL quarterback. Yes.

Who wears the crazy hats. Oh, yeah. We know Cam Newton very well. Megan and I do, yeah. He was right behind me. Yeah, he's the one when he's in the huddle. He would say, ready. He would do this a little.

He's a character. He's a character and he's a very tall quarterback. Very big guy. Did you talk to him? No, he wasn't that close. I did get a picture of him in his hat. He had on a giant hat with feathers and all kinds of things. Did you one of those fan things where you snuck the picture?

I did. I snuck it. So can you please text me the photo? It's a little. I'd like to have that. I want to show Megan. The reason why the line was so long, Terry, at least for me, maybe also for Robbie, was that the girls volleyball tournament was over. The one that we saw all those young athletes. They had to go out and go like, excuse me, girls. Can you keep it down? They're like, we're so sorry. And I'm like, they're in the hallway. They were right next door to me. Oh, of course. And they're trying to get away from their parents. So, you know, they're right at your door. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Did you come on and say, I was also 15 at one point. No, because no. No, just be quiet. At 15, I was 40. No, just be quiet. I said it nice because I know, you know, they can't help it. I wasn't angry. Thank you.

So no one gave you attitude then, right? No, they would never. She's too kind. But I want to say about the sleep thing, no matter what age that at the time different, my circadian rhythms get so messed up with a time difference. though it's little. And for me, the lighting in the convention center was horrible. If I don't get some natural light, it was super dim. And now they don't light hotel rooms. You have no light in your hotel rooms. Your bathrooms are dim, right? There's no overhead lighting in the hotel room. It's like a lamp.

It's a lamp in the corner or a lamp on your, on the end table, and that's it. Nothing. I had to use a flashlight. I didn't even have a light. I use candles. No clock in my, no, no, no, no. It was super. for weird. I mean, otherwise the hotel, I mean, they were nice people. Yeah. If you could never find one from the hotel. I do want to welcome Chris Bennett, who signed up as a patron at the lieutenant level. And I want to say when Chris signed up, they said that they signed up to lieutenant level so that they could be a higher rank than Harry Kim. And I just thought that was important to share.

So welcome Chris as a lieutenant, not an ensign, to the Delta Flyers. Is Al a good response from me? I think it's hilarious. We have a couple birthdays to celebrate. Marie Bergoin is celebrating a birthday on June 1st. So happy birthday, Marie. Happy birthday, Marie. Happy birthday, Marie.

And we have another birthday to celebrate Ian Ramsey, June 1st. Happy birthday, Ian. Happy birthday, Ian. My man, Ian, happy B-Day. my friend. We also have another new profit level patron, Nickers, aka Nikki T. Welcome to the prophets of the wormhole. I was just thinking of Nikki T. the other day. I was like, what's going on with Nikki T? Well, clearly she just graduated. Well, she has become a god at this point. She's a god. She's a pejoran god now. Okay.

For Cardassians, I have a beautiful limerick. Here we go. Go something like this. Bashir and Garrick make a pretty good team. Things aren't always as clear as they seem. A kid caught in the middle leads to a custody riddle. Family matters are messy, I think, is the theme. I like it.

Wow. I do too. Thank you. I wrote one. Oh, I love the poetry. I know, Terry's poetry. Ladies and gentlemen, you are very lucky because Don't stop talking it up.

Okay, wait. Do all comedians say, don't brag about how funny I am? True. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Because if it's not good, then it's, ah, that's great. Now the pressure's on, Terry. Right.

Expect nothing. Expect nothing from this. I'm going to start that from the base level. Oh, thank you guys. You're so supportive. Go ahead. The tides of. war live on in tereknor eight years past reliving deep scars to last hatred and racism at its core

a poor boy suffers even more very good yours are always so deep and meaningful yeah i like it i apologize i love it all right my haiku for cardassians grugal bites garrick truth. Padar gets sun back. Wow, that's deep and meaningful, too. Do you know what the haiku basically is?

No, but you sounded like, you know what you sounded like? Chapton Kirk. That's what I was saying. You want to talk guest stars? Let's talk guest stars. All right, a lot. Rosalind Chow as Kako,

Andrew Robinson as Garrick. Also, Robert Manden is, I'm not sure if I'm pronounced that right. Manden, is that good for you? Robert Manden as Kotan Padar, Terence Evans as Proka, the Bajoran father, Sharon Conley

as Jomat Luson, who is the Bajoran who recorded Rugal's original adoption files, which disappeared, of course. And also, we have Karen Hensel as Dela, who is the Bajoran in charge of the Tozot Resettlement Center that we go to in the very

beginning part of the episode. And she had very good enunciation. by the way thank you yes no not you she did she had okay i mean you did she had deal ahead but but she did she had very good enunciation very garen miss hensel as dila okay as that was the was the was the bajoran resettlement person right yeah the very first person that they go down to talk to the whose computer wasn't working that yes is that she's very good pronunciation okay good it's very excellent uh we also have And I had to piece this together because I was like, who could this be? That's the little orphan girl, the Cardassian girl, saying,

saying, hello, sir, do you happen to spare a tuppence? No, she goes, could you? Are you taking his back to come with you? He sent me home with you. And may I have some porridge? Porridge. Yes, that was Gillian's eyes, Mer. She was awfully cute.

She was super cute. You're referencing the musical Oliver there. Yes, I was. I'm very impressed that you're pulling from a musical, the Broadway musical scene. I just want to point that out. He's broadening his horizon. He really is.

This is what's happening. I did it more for Robbie because he's such a massive Broadway fans. I'm a big Broadway nerd. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't use a sports reference. You used a Broadway musical reference and I just want to point that out. It's a first. I usually go sports ball, but today I went Broadway.

Hold it there for a second, Jillian Zizmer. Was she in any other trek? Did you look that up? No, I did look her up. Because she looked, the little kid looks. so familiar to me. I was like, was she on Voyager? I don't know. She does. She looks. She definitely looks familiar. She only has one other credit. It was an independent film called Homeboy or something like that in 1992. And then she did this episode in 1993. And that's it. She never acted again.

And then she became a doctor or something smart. Do you know that for no? Did you look her up? No. Is that true? Is that true? She is a, well, I mean, she's a doctor of, I mean, she's psychiatry or like whatever she she is an MFCC and she specializes in counseling LGBTQ uh oh wow good for her well if that is her and it does look like the same facial shape and in beverly hills so i'm that would that would make sense yeah that would make sense because every entry is her as this you know licensed uh psychiatrist or i knew that she chose a very stable and productive path i knew it i could tell from her one line. Wow. That she had something more to offer.

She had a lot of grace. You're in one line. She does. You're like held herself. Yeah. You're like a Scotch Iris fortune teller, Robbie. Unbelievable. Okay.

I do readings, by the way, for all the listeners. I will do your reading. Contact me at Robbie Doug McNeil readings. At Robbie knows your future.com. I know your phone number. I will call you for that. We have more people. We're not even done.

No. Vidal Peterson. I think the actual. that played Rugal did quite a good job in this episode. Yeah, what's his name again, Vidal? Vidal. Vidal, as in Vidal Sassoon, Vidal Peterson. Right name.

Yeah, really good name. We also have Dion Anderson as Zolon. Zolan. Do you guys know who's Zolong? The guy with the suit, the gambler guy. The gambler, the traitor guy. I can't wait to talk about him. Oh, yeah.

We can talk about him. They falsely accuse the pejoran father as being a abusive parent. Yes. That's Zolon. And then we have Mark Alamo, of course, as gold to cut. And that is our player. That's enough. That's a lot. That's a lot. Teleplay by James Crocker, story by Gene Walland and John Wright, and directed by Cliff Bull. The teddy bear.

Bo. Terry, did you join us? What was the last episode you reviewed with us? It was invasive procedures. Guess what we all missed on that episode. What? When Varad comes back into Ops and he is the new Varad, the confident Varad, he has that interplay that's seen with Cisco about. Do you remember where we first met? Oh, yeah.

And they're laughing. Like, oh, yes, I remember. Yes, you do remember that then. Okay. So I'm just going to read a little bit of that excerpt of that. Remember when we first met? Cisco says, Varad says, Pellio Station. And Cisco says, Anastasia, Varad says, and that trip, we took to the cliffs of bowl.

No one caught that. I can't believe we did not. I love it when the writers do it. I love that, but I forgot to mention it when we were reviewing it. So I just, you know, since Cliff is directing this one, I wouldn't bring that up to for your amusement, for both of your amusements. Can I just say a little ditty too? I mean, I don't have one in front of me. my plaques are still packed but stuff on the station you guys know this when i say it there are names

of um behind the scenes people oh yeah all over the station and then the grid work and there's a few episodes in the future no pun intended where there's posters and other behind the scenes people are in that i just love how they included everybody as much as possible It just makes you feel so special and it makes you proud to be a part of a team of people that includes everyone. For sure. They're having fun with it when they add those little

Easter eggs for the fans to catch or for the actors to catch basically. Or for the just the writers. Or the writers, yes. The crew, it's the crew people that don't get acknowledged a lot. So when they get to shine a little in a way you don't expect on screen,

you know, makes them feel, you know, celebrating part of it. Yeah. Agreed. And also, like, when the crew is there on the stage, on the sets for 15, 18 hours a day, and they get to look over to the side on some console and see their friends' initials or their name, it just keeps them feeling invested in the show. Yeah, built spirit community.

Yeah. Great. Well, let's dive into the plot of this episode. What happens? We're in the Repliment. Bashir finds Garrick drinking some kind of stinky juice, I guess. He talks about, he does reference the smell of the stinky juice. Rokasa juice.

You Rikasa juice, yeah. Fisher's very, very suspicious that Garrick's, you know, only working as a cover to spy on Bajorans or something. He fishes, but Garrick denies it. And then this Cardassian boy comes in from the airlock with a Bajoran man with him and another fancy suited alien. And I look at that coat. I literally rewound it and froze frame it because it looks like either iPhones on

the suit, all those square things that are like attached or maybe mouse traps or something. Robbie, that was in my video reaction. I said, those are mouse traps on his suit. They look like mouse traps, don't they? They do. That suit. I just had to look at it like two or three times. I was like, oh my God, Bob Blackman. What a suit. But anyway, he escorts the man, goes to get him a drink. And then Garrick goes to speak to this boy, the Cardassian boy with the Bajoran man's odd combo. And the boy bites Garrett's hand. Yes. And then runs and hugs the Bajoran man. So you're sort of left with this very confusing, yeah, very confusing scene.

And I just say I felt like it was a teensy, creepy that Garrett, first of all, touched him. Secondly, said what in touching him said what a handsome boy he was. It was. Yeah, it was. It felt like there was this implied sort of like. It was letterous to me. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, of course, biting him was, I think, excessive. But at the same time, I would, if it was my son, I'd be like, I'd rather have, you know, do something inappropriate and get away from a creepy guy. Yes. Yeah. For me, I don't know if you guys felt this. But Robbie, when you, when we all first see Proka and everyone walking in, they're not in the replemate yet, they're not seated and you see them. When the first time you see Rugal, it is sort of from a side. angle basically you see the longer hair the shorter stature and this the clothing i'll be honest it looked

like a shawl for a grandma so to me rugal looked like a little old grandma because also with a bajor an earring i just thought it was an earring a girl of a girl yeah i did i thought it was a young girl but not a young girl but a old lady basically oh how funny the wardrobe looked like a it just it looked very shawl like a little rag and muffin yeah they could have picked anything other than that You know why they picked that clothing because of Oliver Twist the musical. It looked like the street urchins from, this is all coming back to Oliver the musical. And I just want to keep that on theme. That's why they picked the clothes.

Okay. Hey, thank you for validating that for me now. I'm good. I do want to say two more things about the scene. One, and I'm going to bring it up a few times. Cliff Ball did a thing in this episode quite a few times, directorially. Okay. Where, you know, let's say the scene is about Garrick and Bashir, you know,

as it was talking about whether he's a spy or whatever they start on something cliff started the shot on some extras and then Bashir sort of entered by a by a replicator and then Bashir had some blocking that brought him through the the replomat and then revealed Garrick and then Bashir joined him and that took us into the scene so this idea of like starting off the scene a little bit with a camera, letting the story and the context sort of develop and land into your master or your two shot or whatever. He did that quite a few times. And I think that's a really effective way of getting movement and establishing the environment and things like that. And I think Cliff did a great job. So this first scene immediately, I was like, oh, I didn't even know who directed it. I

hadn't looked that up yet. Credits hadn't come up. So I was like, oh, this is intelligently. We're starting off in a good way. It's not just like cut to a master of, you know, of the scene starting. Which can be really abrupt. Yeah. Abrupt and kind of. Yeah. I think what's nice about the shots easing in, it sets the tone before the scene starts.

Yes. So it's reminding us that the environment is also a character. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It gives you much better context of what's going on when you start elsewhere and bring it in. And then that style is stuff that we see a Rick Bowlby will do that. Also, oh, God, what is it? David Livingston would do that kind of stuff.

Who's our Canadian director? Alan Craker did it beautifully. Crakers, but Crakers is even more complex, you know, even the- Oh, Craker will keep it moving. It keeps going. But again, this, this choice of how to direct that scene or how to move from one point to another, it gets you, it's a better choice than being stabbed. Yeah. And that's all the director, by the way. That's never in the script, just for people listening. They don't, They don't describe how the shots are going to be in a script. It's just the story is described. The director has to come up with all that blocking

and the way the shots kind of play out. Did you notice, by the way, behind Bashir when he's sitting there talking, there were two aliens with these giant pillbox. It actually looked like pizza boxes or something on their head. Yes. So do you think, Robbie, do you think that Bob Blackman was sitting there in the wardrobe department,

trying to think of some other wardrobe elements to put on background aliens. And they were eating pizza back there. Had pizza for lunch. And he's like, that's perfect. That's it, the box. We don't have time for anything else. Make some pizza boxes and put them on their heads. Maybe that's what it was.

I think he had left over Christmas packaging. Yes. It could have been last. Maybe that was it. Could have been Christmas time. Yeah. Oh, perfect. Christmas gift.

And the alien with the pizza box or the Christmas gift on their head. Yeah, box head. They also had sleeves that came down to their fingertips. And I noticed they had no hands. They were kind of like holding their, and I thought, oh, they just saved money on hand makeup. Oh, completely. They just put the costume down to the end. They covered it all.

We're getting down to it if we're saving money on hand makeup. They did, though, for sure. I did notice that. But there was more money for the fabric, extra fabric for the sleeves to be launched. That's true. Fabric costs money too. And what about the hats? Yes. And what was the I don't think we saved any money on this one, Robbie. I don't think so either. At the end of the scene, yes, Garrick's hand gets bit and Bashir checks Garrick's wound.

And then we go to ops from here. And Bashir's running in, fills in the team about the Bajoram boy and his father. And Kira does mention the scene that the Cardassians left behind a lot of. of orphans when they evacuated and that the Bajorans had no choice but to take care of these children that were left behind, these refugee children. I noticed in this scene, by the way, that Kira was talking about this Kardashian-Bajoran issue, but then not to jump ahead of ourselves, but she basically doesn't do anything the rest of the episode. Like, Kira's not Oh, you're right. Any more. I thought, because in the scene, you had a three-shot of Cisco and Dax and Miles, I think. And then you had a single of Bashir and a single of Kira. So I thought,

oh, this is going to be a Kira story because it's Kardashians and Bajorans. And she really had nothing to do in the rest of the episode, which kind of surprised me. Well, why would she want to save Cardassian children? But she would have feelings about it, don't you think? If she did, they'd be too big to deal with what we're already right. Yeah, maybe. It's like the last one, invasive procedures you were talking about it should have been my story but absolutely garrett made a really good point it was probably cisco's story that's how they seemed to write it but it really was yeah um john lover's story it was his story he came to steal the symbion and that's whose story it was our guest star's story yeah yeah yeah but roby has a point because you would think that kira being being

being Bajoran would get a little bit more out of the interrogations of these Bajoran officials and people in charge of the orphanages. When they went down to the planet, you think that maybe they would be more forthcoming speaking to her as opposed to Garek the Cardassian and Bashir the human. But because we've already seen that combination together in a very early episode, season one, I think the writers were like, we like this combo. We're going to keep it going and that's what happened.

Oh, it was a great episode for Garek and Bashir, I thought. I'm so happy to see Andrew Robinson back, by the way. The other thing, when you mentioned, like, the last episode and, like, whose story is this episode? Like, was it a Cisco episode? Was it a John Glover episode? Was it a Dax episode? One thing I do when I'm producing shows and working with directors, I always ask the director, they said, let's make sure that we remember whose point of view the story is.

Because as you're directing, you want the audience to experience the point of view of the character that this story is really focused on. And so think about point of view as you're prepping your episode, as you're blocking it, as you're planning your shots. And I don't know that the point of view is always, like, in that last episode, I don't think the point of view was clear in the writing. And I don't know the director knew what the point of view was. Like, it was kind of confusing as to whose point of view.

Right. Yeah. Okay. The other thing in the scene I noticed was Bashir says, yeah, Garrick was bitten on the hand. And Dax goes, oh, another unsubing. satisfied customer? And I wrote a note, does Dax hate his clothes? I never knew Dax had opinions about Garrick's work. No, no, no. Not about Garrick's clothes. Did whoever bite him not like the clothes that would like? Yeah. Yeah. But the Dax is aware that or that people, I don't know.

But why would I hate the clothes? That's how I heard it. Like, oh, another unsatisfied, as if Dax is also an unsatisfied customer or something like that. That's how I heard it. Oh, no. But maybe, you know, I don't think she'd let him make her anything. Then there's, he always cuts the pants too long from O'Brien. So now I'm thinking, I thought, I thought, uh, Garrick was a master tailor. I know. It seems like everybody's like.

This looks like his Yelp review. He's like out of three point two out of five stars. I'm like, well, that's also, right? And then this also feeds into, but he's really a spy. Yes. Yes. Yes, exactly. He's a horrible tailor, I guess.

Maybe. But Cisco gets a call from Galducotte, I think, and has to head into his office. So he goes in there. And another great Cliff Bullshot. So the camera starts on Cisco walking in, pans over to the monitor. And Cisco, like, sits on the back of a chair or something. And we go right into the conversation, the video call. And usually when someone comes, like Janeway on our show,

show or usually Cisco, he goes and sits at his desk and looks at his laptop or something. And it's just a pretty straightforward Zoom call or whatever, you know, phone call. Right. But this was nice because it was on a side monitor and Cisco's sitting, you know, on the back of a chair. It was a great angle in Cisco because you got to see more of the set behind him. It wasn't just like the window or a wall behind his head. I like that little just transition into the phone call I thought was a little detail I liked.

Good job, Cliff Ball. good job yeah i love avery in this episode i love i do too uh yes yes i think he's i like his tone he feels calmly powerful yeah he's very balanced he's very balanced in this episode his energy yeah i like it very much agreed but basically duccott calls to say he wants to find more out about this boy that all these uh cardassian orphans that were left on bejure are a shame, you know, for the Cardassians, that this is a real source of shame for them. And he wants to convince his people the Cardassians to bring all these poor orphans home. And he makes the accusation.

He goes, obviously these children are being raised to hate their own kind, right? So there's a lot of that going on. It does feel like Cisco and Duccott in the episodes I've seen them talk, like they're pretty friendly with each other. And I don't know if, is this going to be a relationship where they become partners down the road or friends? I don't know. I mean, Duccott's definitely, like a Terry smiling.

Clearly not. I would never say friends. They become lovers, is what she's going to tell us. I think that Cisco's a very smart diplomat. Yeah, he's very good with Duccott. Yeah. And I think Ducat,

for all his unsavory qualities, is also a very good diplomat. Yeah. in that for the most part he knows what he wants and he's not going to shoot himself in the foot over yeah i was all in on the friendliness of both of them in this scene i mean later on obviously duccott gets busted for his his scheme but at this point i'm like oh duchat not friendly but i don't trust duccott in this scene either just just him suddenly he's altruistic about these kids for how long ago it just doesn't make sense come on man why aren't they already home if you care so much about

about it. Just go get them. I was all in. They're in an orphanage. What the hell? Honestly, I was all. I was like, Dakota's a heart and Cisco. Oh,

they can save. Oh, Robbie, that's so you. I know. I was really, I did. I was all in. That's why I wanted to be friends, but clearly they're not going to be fun.

Well, we go to the guest quarters next. Again, Cliff Bowl has an opening shot that has this movement that brings us into the scene. So I love it. Proca, the Bajoran father is very angry. the Kardashians, you know, they abandoned these poor children. He seemed very protective of his, his Cardassian son. Yeah, so Cisco doesn't understand why Rugal was so terrified of Garrick, you know,

just because he was a Cardassian. It doesn't make sense. And the father, Proca, explains he raised him like a pejoran, told him what the Cardassians did. That's why. And Rubel doesn't think he's one of them anymore. Because Proca is a racist. Yes. Yeah.

It's not just the people who attacked him, the Cardassians that attacked him. It's all Cardassians. Proca is racist against Kardashians. It really made me mad. I know. That theme, though, because Miles deals with that in this episode. O'Brien is also racist towards Cardassians. So Proca and O'Brien are the same person in a way.

They're both racist. They see things the same way. Yes, they do. But the dad does seem to, he's really wound up in the scene. He's very angry, very passionate. But at the end, he kind of softens. I love that Cliff had him sort of sit on the chair at the end of the scene and he reveals he does, he loves this boy. He really cares for him.

It seems very sincere. We got a quarks next. We're overhead over the, the, the, the, uh, dabo table, which I don't know if we've ever seen that shot before, like right over the table and then sort of pulling back. Have we seen it? Well, Robbie, we've seen it from the mezzanine, from the, from the second level, but not from where it's on the same level directly above. No, we have not. Right. So you see more detail this time than you're used to seeing.

Maybe they just didn't have the cards finished. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Maybe they had to go further back. The top part of that Dabo wheel, it looks like a ceiling, a ceiling fan to me. It's what it looks like. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay.

Anyway. Yeah, but that overhead shot I thought was very cool because it starts overhead and it kind of pulls back and then drops down and continues. Again, Cliff Bull, sort of opening the scene with nice movement, camera movement. Yep. Zolan, the guy with the phones or the mousetraps on his coat. Mousetrap coat alien.

Yeah. I felt like he needed a pencil mustache. Oh, that would have been great. It would have been great. Just a little pencil mustache would have been perfect for it. It reminded me of a Twilight Zone alien. Yeah.

Yeah, with the weird lip. Yeah. And all the stuff and the fancy hairdo? He must spend a lot of time in the salon. There was hair around there, but the top part looked like his brain was showing or something. That part was really tricky looking. Or it looked like bread, maybe. It did.

It did. It looked like a big holl of bread. Like a bag bread. With a nice. Fancy braid. Yeah. Quark passes through the scene. I think this is the only scene we see Quarkin.

He literally passes through and says, I hate it when it might be, you know, people are on a winning streak that doesn't stop or something. He goes, there's nothing quite so depressing. as a winning streak that won't stop streaking. Yes. And I know that that look on Quark's face because when, you know, pit bosses are at a craps table that's giving out money,

they are doing the same thing. They're like, please end the street. Stop the streak. Winning runs can go on and on and so can losing runs. Well, the thing is, when it's on a losing run, you just don't bet then. You notice it's happening. So you say, up, stop, and then go.

You leave. Some people can't stop, though. Well, here's my tip to everyone out there. If you're playing blackjack, if you lose three hands in a row, three in a row, got to go. That's it. Very simple. Save your bank roll for another time. Three in a row, got to go.

And that doesn't mean to the bathroom. No, it means leave the casino. Leave that. And go to another casino. No, go home, get lunch, right? Go get lunch. Double. All right.

So Quark walks through. He's very depressed. He can't stand that this winning streak is going. on. And Bashir approaches and wants to know from Zolan about the boy. And Zolan at first is like, I don't want to talk about it. I want to stay out of this. But he finally reveals that that there's abuse in this house, that the family beats the boy, silly, and takes out, they take out the revenge for what the Cardassians had done on this poor, innocent child. And it's funny because I made a note here at the end of the scene. I was like, wait, was this whole thing?

set up by Duccott? It had to With Zolan working? Did Zolan and Dukot? How did I know that? And then I forgot it as I got in the episode. But at that moment,

I was like, this feels like a setup or something. Yeah, but here's the thing. DeKat does not know that Rugal has come onto the station until the biting happens. And in that introductory scene,

you see... Well, he says he doesn't know, but does he know? Well, it already happened. Would he? I mean, if he's with his father, Proka, and we see Mousetrap Co. Alien guy walk on in the very beginning, this is before the bite even happens, right? So you're saying that he already knew that this Cardassian kid was on the transport and he sent, he sent Zolan on the same transport when they got

off at the same time. It's a, I don't know. It's a little questionable. Yes, I think you're right. Because he also says in that he's visited them several times. So what if he is being paid by Duccott? To keep an eye on the situation and manipulative. Because of how important that kid is. Ah. We don't know as a fewer right now how important he is. That makes sense.

So Zolohan has always kept tabs on Little Roodle. And he knew they were traveling to DS9 or Terek Knorr in Cardassian. So that's why, okay, that makes perfect sense. And I also, I think I made that note because I was like, if he's telling the truth, I guess I didn't buy a story when I saw the scene. If he's telling the truth, why did the kid go hug the pejoran father? Why would he hug? That's why he didn't ring true for us.

That should have been our first tell that he wasn't telling the truth because there was nothing about the behavior of the two, the father and the son. And the adopted father or whatever. Yeah, no. But I do want to commend the casting director because the casting of Proca, he does look like somebody who possibly could be, you know, you just, you're not sure. You know, if they cast somebody that looked like Mr. Rogers. Yeah, he could be a bad guy or a good guy.

Right, he could go either way. Whereas if they cast someone who looked so, you know, benign like Mr. Rogers, you never would have believed that he would have gone to the abuse part, you know. But also, we have to know how angry he is with the Kardashians that he's racist. Yes. Right? Yep. So if he didn't have that anger, that would make play completely different, too.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah, agreed. I also like that you bring up, he wasn't Mr. Rogers, which made me think, why didn't we ever have Mr. Rogers as a guest star on Star Trek? The real Mr. Rogers would have been great. He wouldn't want it to be on next gen. He would have wanted to be with LeVar.

Yes. Mr. Rogers should have been a guest star. And if LeVar couldn't get him. Nobody could. Did they ever show Will Whitten's biological father? It could have been Mr. Rogers. That would have been amazing. That casting would have...

Look at the guy that plays Mr. Rogers. That face married to Gates McFadden could have produced Will Wheaton very easily in my brain. The guy that plays Mr. Fred Rogers. Is this his name, Fred? His real name is Mr. Rogers. So if Fred Rogers... It's not an ax, Garrett.

That was the real guy. Did you never see it? Of course I saw it, but I never assumed... I always assume whoever's on TV. It was like a character name. Yeah. So, all right. So Fred Rogers and Gates McFadden, can you believe their kid looks like Will Wheaton?

Yes, I can. Yes, I can. I can too. I don't care who Fred Rogers plays. I just wish he had been on Star Trek at some point. That would be amazing. Yeah, that would have been cool. That would have been nice.

We're at the infirmary now. So we go to the infirmary. Bashir's working on Garrick's hand, you know, from the bite wound. Because Cardassians have, you know, germs. And you've got to make sure that with a Cardassian bite, Terry, it's a scientific fact. You've got to get your shots. Terry, welcome to the mind of Robbie.

I'm just thinking to coin a phrase by Raz Chow in this episode. That was a very ugly thing you just said. No, it doesn't make them bad people. It's just that their germs might make. Oh, no, another Cardassian because Garrick's Cardassian, too. He'd be fine with it. He doesn't need a shot then. He doesn't.

No, he doesn't need the Cardassian shots. same germs. Seriously. It's the same thing. It's just as ugly. It's true. If you bit me, I'd want to get shots too. I would too. Human bites are nasty. Exactly. Maybe Cardassian bites are poisonous. You don't know. This kid isn't from the wild. He lives in a home. I'm saying he's an alien species that might have a poisonous bite. I don't know. Has anyone ever asked that question about Cardassians? No one said, oh my God, we're poisonous. Be careful. Okay, so Bashir's working on it. He thanks, he thanks, uh, Garrick for helping him to uncover this, these poor orphans. And then Bashir mentions this may help Guldu Kot and Cisco who are

trying to resolve this war orphan problem. Yeah. And suddenly Garrick is very surprised and he tells Bashir that attention to detail is an important Cardassian trait. They just don't forget things like orphans on the planet. And he does mention the scene that Guldu Dukot was once in charge of this withdrawal. Every time you guys say Garrick, I hear my name. Every single time I hear Garrett. It's like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you're gawah, and Garrick is garrick is garrick, thank you.

Okay. All right, go ahead. Yeah, but Garrick is, is very surprised about this combo of like, Galducat cares, but why didn't he care on the, you know, the evacuation? It seems very suspicious. It's red flag time. Yep. Yes, exactly.

Well put. We're in ops. Dukot is on the screen. He's thanking Cisco for his help. He says, get us a DNA sample of Rugal, and we will find his family because we care. I go, Dukot, care. Bashir interrupts and asks Dukot why he chose to leave all these children. And he interrupts Cisco.

Mm-hmm. He just jumps right in. smart doesn't yeah interrupts dukott says it was a civilian order and bashear says uh he asks he says i think dukott says where are you getting your information about cardassian or something yeah and uh he says garrick told him not gawah garrick thank you and uh dukott says remind garrick that's the civilians ordered this surrender and this withdrawal and uh dukott says he's regretted it ever since. I was on board with Garrick here. I, I, because I don't know where Garrick's going. So I was like, Garrick seems to care. Yeah. He really did seem to care to me. Wait a minute. Do you mean

Golducat seem to care? Oh yeah. That's what I meant. Golducat. I like Golducat at this point. I don't by the end of this episode, but I did. Okay. You were a team Goldaqat for this beginning part. Yeah. And this is like the third, is this the third time we're seeing Goldaqat where he's being empathetic? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. starting to think i don't know what's going on here and and now i'm getting kind of confused yeah because you know golducott and you know that maybe this was not in character for him to be so right dachs didn't at the time i mean not in this episode terry farrell watching it yes because because you know where he's gone i already lived it yeah and reliving it i i i don't remember him

seeming so so nice and yeah yeah well when goldie caught hangs up, uh, Cisco is pissed at Bashir and he basically says never do that again. This is the one moment where I think Avery was, his strength was right up front. He was, he was tough on Bashir here. He knows he's more powerful than Bashir. So it wasn't like he used more force than he needed to. No. I was surprised with, I was surprised the lack of reaction on Bashir's face. I thought Bashir should have been a little bit more. apologetic, at least in some way, like, yeah, I mean, it's his commanding officer. He knows that he's not above the captain or commander, what, I just go to

right, because he keeps, he keeps talking about it. He's like, I still think he was a little disrespectful. Yeah. He apologized, though. He did say, I'm sorry, Commander. He just seemed to not to be opportune. But he was pushing it. I agree with you, Terry.

He was pushing it to be a matter. Yeah, it wasn't respectful in the way that it should have been. Yeah. But then Cisco said, don't apologize. right he says it's been the high point of his day and he says don't do it again at the very well he was very sarcastic he's like oh don't apologize it's been the high point he was very so that was sarcastic for you sarcastic yeah got it for those of us who have been parents yes yes that's i guess what i mean once he said that don't do it again i'm surprised that

Bashir didn't, I know he didn't have a line, but I was surprised that he seemed to just be very blasé about it. I just thought I was surprised he didn't have more of a, I think if that happened to me, I don't think I'd fall apart, but I would have this, a little feeling in my gut like, shit, I just got away with something. I'm going to watch it next time. But there was just, I don't know, it was odd. Bashir was obsessed with this mystery of, Garrick and why Garrick the information Garrick was giving him, I think. He was Detective Bashir. Yeah. Yeah. He was on a case. Well, he was young. He was young in this. I mean, it's a young person's reaction not to be respectful or a little more shaken by the fact that you

yeah, you just got a pass. But Cisco in the end does say, well, I'll have to talk to Garrick about this myself and have him in my office at 2100 hours. So Cisco's going to talk to Garrick about this. We cut, I think, next to O'Brien's quarters where we see Rugal reading and Miles comes in. Rubel's very quiet sitting by himself reading a pad. Helps set the dinner table with Kako and he's quietly sort of saying, you know, great idea to have Molly away for the night because basically Rugal is not safe. It's not safe to have Molly here. And Keiko's like, what are you talking about?

They played all day. She's asleep. She's worn out. She fell asleep in the other room. And Keiko says something like he was really gentle with her all day or something. And this is where O'Brien says, gentle was bred out of Kardashians a long time ago. And that's where Keiko gets very offended, pissed off at this sort of generalization

that all Kardashians have been bred. a certain way. Yeah. Why are they fostering him? It just seems to me, if someone was fostering this child, okay, she's the teacher. But this should be somebody who is with a counselor and not a family with a little girl. Yeah. Because they were ordered to.

Sisko ordered them. Yeah, but why pick them? I agree with you. Right? As a parent, just as a, just looking at the whole situation, I'm concerned. concerned for Rugal. I'm really concerned for him being raised in a family where his parents, his adoptive parents are racist against his race, but they love him, even though he's that race. That's incredibly confusing message. So we're part of Starfleet. You put him with a family

that's vulnerable as well because they have a little girl, like little, little, little. She's like three or four. It seems to me the foster, if you're going to be in sort of a foster situation, it shouldn't be with a child that's so small. She's a toddler. That upsets me as a parent watching that. Okay. I agree with you.

I mean, I'm not going to write in. It's a little late. They filmed it, Terry. It's already shot. But it's just like, this poor child needs therapy. Not the smartest choice to put him with a family. family that has a young child. But it is the right choice story-wise to get Miles on this track of redemption where Miles is going to learn a lesson. Yeah, he's going to learn a lesson because he does

learn a big lesson. Like it would make more sense to me. And Keiko's the closest thing we have to yeah, a counselor, I guess, on our show. Sort of. I mean, Dax could have been a good choice too to put him with Dax. But then you wouldn't have gotten to Miles. I don't want to be a foster parent on the show. So I was good with that choice. I'm just speaking as sort of like, this kid has a lot going on. Yeah. And when she serves that meal, the Cardassian meal, it seems a little tone deaf if you know his situation. Yeah.

And she doesn't present it in a way. Like, you probably have never tried this, but this is from your home world. It's just, it's not, it's just, hey, this is a great idea. Yeah, it's a little, yeah, tone deaf. Okay. At the end of the scene, so she makes this food, and Miles tries it. He doesn't like it. Rugal tries the Cardassian food.

He doesn't even try it. He didn't even try it, Robbie. That's right. And then at the end, they both slide their bowls. Rugal and Miles both go, nope, I'm not about Cardassians. And their bowls clinked together. And that's when that's what Miles should have said, cheers to you like that. Yes.

It's like a, okay? I would have just a teen. bit of a smile on Rugal that he wasn't alone because he had miles. Exactly. That would have been the right direction, Terry, because then there would have been this camaraderie coming together. But I still don't think, I don't believe Kako would have been

that deaf, that tone deaf to the whole situation at all. How old is Rugal in your estimation? The character, the actor. The character. Is he 12? Because he was left at 4 to 8. It was 8 years

later. Oh. Oh, which doesn't seem like he looks, like, older than 12. Cardassians are very advanced for their age. They go into puberty at like six years old. Fine. Yeah. I would guess 16 or 17. That's what I thought.

That's what I thought. Yeah. But then I was confused with the timeline. So I was trying to get help from both of you in terms of what you felt his age. How do we both miss that? No, he does not seem like a 12 year old at all. No. And we both raised 12 year old.

So. Yes. No. And as mature as they were. I felt like the actor was probably 25 years old. And I think the character was probably supposed to be 15 or 16 or something. Yeah. But if you, you know, the final scene when Bashir's basically the court prosecutor and he says and who was the person in charge of Terek Nore eight years ago when they sent that officer to drop off Rugal eight years ago. So he was four plus eight is 12, which doesn't make sense. I love that you keep saying that as if this is something that's difficult for Robbie and I to process. No, not at all.

Eight plus four. No, really, you guys. No, but Cardassians, I'm telling you, Cardassians hit puberty very early. At six. At six. Their voice already changes at six. They don't even sound like kids at that point. Okay.

Thank you for answering that. They sign our children at 12. All right. So they've had dinner, the stew. Miles and Rugal hate this do. That's something they've got in common there. The green jello. Yes.

Oh, yeah. We go back to Miles' quarters a little later. Miles is working when Rugal comes in to the room. Awkward silence at the top of the scene. Miles makes a move, starts talking to him, makes a move, and goes and sits by Rugal to try to get to know him. And Rugal reveals that he does love Bejor and he's ashamed of being a Cardassian. And he tells Miles.

And then Miles says, you know, you can't. judge an entire race based on just a few people he's met some cardassians that he really likes and some that he doesn't like and um rugal says well the cardassians murdered 10 million pejorans he learned it in school on bajor so um you can see miles sort of trying to change his own preconceptions and he's working with rugal to try to you know change his ways here he couldn't think of it wasn't yeah it's not like he has a friend that's yeah yeah yeah when i saw him say that i thought and he cannot think of a single cardassian that he actually likes that he really say it anyway right yeah well he says and i know he goes there are there are some cardassians

that i like like you is what he says is what right so that's his only person that he likes is Rugal, basically. Who he doesn't really know. No. He doesn't know, yeah. But he likes him because he hit puberty so young and he's a kid. Impressed by that. I did like one thing that Cliff Bull did in this scene.

When O'Brien decides, chooses very intentionally to get up from his work and go over and engage Rugal, that the camera move starts on one side, the screen direction. And as Miles comes over, it switches to the other side. So you feel for people listening, like, screen direction. is very subtle but important in sort of capturing what side of the line you're on, what direction the characters are talking to each other. And so when you switch screen direction, often that can be used to kind of say, hey, there's a new, we're turning a corner in this scene.

We're going in a new direction, literally. And Cliff did that when Miles makes that choice to go from one attitude about Cardassians to another. And it was very subtle, but I thought it was great. It's like a symbolic way of being the camera. I'm glad you brought that up. That's wonderful. Good job, Cliffball. Good job, Cliffball.

And DPs don't usually like it because now they're lighting from two different sides of the room. And so you don't make that choice to switch screen directions unless it's important. And it seemed important in the scene. Well, and they didn't have beauty lighting. So that was probably helpful. Yes, it allowed them. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

We go to Bashir's quarters next. Bishir is having a very restless night in his PJs jumping around in the bed. Creepy. Creepy Garrick. Garrick arrives. We need to hurry. We need to get going. Derek is just there like he's been watching him sleep for a while.

Yes. And he's got a creepy smile on his face too. How did he get in his quarters? Terry, Terry, this same thing happened. And why is it Bashir freak? out. Yes, he's not freaked out. What the heck are you doing in my room? And then I thought, is this a dream? I thought it was a dream too. Yeah, because Garrett was so scared about what you're, you want to say. No, I just want to say that this same thing happened on Voyager. It was my

character in my quarters and then I opened my eyes and Robbie's character is right there in my bedroom and it's not a dream. And he's like, let's go. We got to go. So the same thing happened on Voyager. Yeah, same scene. Yeah, same scene exactly. So you two were a little creepy too. No. Well, no, but he's my best, best buddy. He's my best best buddy. But when our characters knew each other really well. That's different. It didn't come off creepy as what I'm saying when Robbie did it.

So when Tom Paris did it, excuse me. Oh, okay, because you guys were best friends. Yes, we're best, best friends. Like, he would have the key to my place. Okay. But I never got any, like, sexual sparks from Garrick and. And Bashir. And Bashir.

In this episode. No, no, no. But you're right. It's totally creepy with Garrick in there. But it was. Yeah. And he has that. look on his eyes and like that look like yeah yeah that was creepy not like dude come on right

and didn't we learn that he played that in the very first episode when you see garrick meet bachier's anniversary he played i am interested Andrew robinson played i'm attracted to bachir in that way right we talked about that so which i didn't really pay attention to so now it stands out to me and now i feel creepy about him in my friend Bashir's bedroom. Bedroom. And what if Bashir sleeps in the nude? You don't know.

He doesn't. But what if he did? The film was running. That's true. But what if he did? Garik's just can't come in somebody's bedroom without being invited. It needs to be well. How do you not lock your door?

Yeah. In Starfleet. Doesn't it automatically lock? I don't know. It should. It should. Well, we go to Cisco's quarters next, and now Cisco is hauled out of bed. Bashir rings the doorbell. He doesn't just burst in, like Garrick. He does ring the doorbell. But he wakes him up. Cisco's in a robe.

Hey, Cisco looks like Hugh Heffner. Look at that. Look at that gorgeous. He looked pretty slick. Very stylish. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Bashir says he's got to use a runabout. I love when Cisco goes, oh, will one runabout be enough? There's so much sarcasm in this episode from Cisco, yeah.

Yes, I laughed out loud. Sarcastic Cisco. Needs a runabout in the middle of the night to go down to Bayjor. And then Galduccau calls. Cisco just cannot get his sleep tonight. No. And Galducat tells Cisco he found the family. He's that Rugal is the son of Koton Podar, a politician, the ex, the ex-ex.

X-Arc for the Cardassian settlement there on Bayjor, and they thought that Rugal had died in some kind of terrorist attacks, says Gold Dukot. Lying. He's lying. Gol-Ducat says Podar, Khotan Podar, is on his way to DS9, to see the boy. And Bashir thinks this is why Garrick wanted to go to Bayjor. The next shot is a planet shot of Bayjor, and that, what were you going to say, Terry? the same the same shot

weird waterfall like yeah it's like a 3D waterfall it's very weird how come we never go there we never see that weird waterfall right we should you don't want to see that waterfall

up close it's weird it's even weirder in person it's not even water it's Cardassian poisonous saliva that's yeah okay back to Poisonous Cardassian

I know I know okay let's go We cut inside the orphan resettlement center. I will say this is the only shot Cliff Bowl that I didn't like. It's just this wide shot. And Bashir and Garrick just walk in to this lady. And I was like, where are we?

And why isn't anyone escorting them? And like, that was the one shot where I was like, hmm. It was like a cave with light coming into it. And with a computer. Where are we? Computer sitting in the middle of the room or something. I want to play devil's advocate for. or Cliff Bull and just say that it's possible.

It's at the end of a shoot day, they were running short on time. And they just said, look, just get this done. We can't do an elaborate setup. Yeah, that's what it felt like a little bit. This felt like, let's get it done quick. Yeah. But they walk in, Bashir asked the lady who's there, if they can find any info on the boy's adoption, on Rugal's adoption.

And she doesn't recognize either of their names, not the dad, not the kid. She doesn't think they're going to find anything because the computers don't work. And Garrick reveals suddenly to Bashir's surprise that he knows a little about isolinear data subprocessors, which surprised me too. Nothing says, hmm, might be a spy more than something like that. Let me just pull that out of my ass. But guys, if this thing has been inoperative for years, wouldn't you toss the whole thing? Why would it still be there?

I don't get it. You know why? I have a mini split that doesn't work and I want to take it out because they have to hire someone to take it out and patch the hole. All right, that's fine. Okay, I'll go with that.

Back to our story. This is the Resettlement Center. This is the Tozot Resettlement Center where they've come and Garrick is going to fiddle around with the data sub-processors. We have a little time cut. We cut in and see the computer comes to life and he's got

a Cardassian Monocle on which I thought was very cool. Yeah. You know that little, yeah, it looked like some kind of. We know what a monocle is. Yeah, but it was, it was a weird shape. And it looked like it had like computer lines on it or something. So I thought that was.

Fancy monocle. It's really, if we would have shot a movie version, we would have seen inside of that. Like, you know. All the computer. Yeah. Yes. That would have been cool. Yeah.

But he does get the computer working, but he can't find Rugal's name or any information. but he downloads into his little pad, his Cardassian pad, downloads tens of thousands of files under that little hard drive. And then they turn to leave and they see these Cardassian orphans, these refugee orphans. Excuse me, sir. This is our Oliver Twist moment.

With Dear Asha, played by Young Miss Seismar. Can I have some mole? More, please. They ask if they're going to get taken, though. Are they here to rescue them? And Garrick says, no. He's afraid not. And it does seem sincere.

It's sad. Oh, no, he was very sweet. I'm sorry, my child. I think he uses the word child. Yeah, that's what he said. It's just very sweet. Just sad. Yes.

We go to a space shot of the runabout. We cut inside. Garrick's analyzing this data. When Bashir tells the computer, stop engines, we need to talk, Garrick. And Bashir demands that Garrick tell him what the heck is going on. And Garrick is very sly. I love the way Garrick talks.

It's always in these riddles. It's always in these puzzles. But he talks very slyly to Bashir to pay attention to the coincidences that are happening. And, you know, the Padar's son happens to be this boy that just happened to come on the ship. It's a lot of coincidences, and he does not trust coincidences, which makes sense to me. And the biggest information that we receive is that Padar, And Golda Cut, they are enemies when it comes to politics. They don't see the same way.

They're not on the same page. Yeah. Now I don't know who to trust. But I trust Garrick, sort of. Sort of. Okay. I reserve the right not to trust anyone. Yes.

And you know more than all of us. You do. We go into O'Brien's quarters next. Padar arrives. Miles talks with him. Padar explains how important family is to Cardassiz. he seems very sincere here yeah he's very passionate he feels very guilty that he abandoned his son and then caco arrives with arugel i really believed right away that he had no he really

thought his son was dead so this is like oh yeah this is huge this is huge but rugal arrives sees his dad padjar tries to explain and connect with his kid there with rugal but Rugal just calls him a butcher and says he's never going back to Cardassia just like that. He said it just like that. I'm never going back. You can never. Never. Oh, you're doing the Akraterians would never do that right now.

Yes, I was. But Rugal is not going back with his father. So very sad reunion with, uh, with, uh, with, uh, Padar and Rugal there. Yeah. But not surprising. But not surprising. He hasn't seen his father for eight years. He doesn't remember his face.

no and he's been being brainwashed by his pejoram pops that cardassians are all evil yeah yeah um we go in the commander's office now the fathers are arguing uh basically at the start of the scene and Cisco says you know what you need an arbitrator and they agree they do need an arbitrator and they want Cisco to arbitrate yeah and uh Cisco is about to work it out when Odo calls and I just have to say Odo's in the episode. No. We never see him. Actually, I remember talking to Rick Berman about this ones.

They did this purposefully, wrote us in when we weren't in episodes and had us do a voiceover so that we would get our residuals. Residuals. Oh. It was very generous that they did that. They didn't have to, but they did. Yeah. Oh, Deltecott has arrived on the station.

What? Yeah. Which is huge. to Johnny on the spot and this wire him there. Coincidences, as Garrick says, coincidence. Coinkie-dink. We have a station log next. The arrival, Cisco says, the arrival of Gold, Dukot only powers my suspicion that we are being manipulated in some unseen manner.

Dr. Bashir and Garrick continue to search for anything relevant in the adoption file. So far, they found nothing. And the decision on custody for Rugal cannot wait much longer. how come it can't wait much longer i don't know drama oh the drama drama drama dramatic license during this station log there is a short shot of bashear and garrick working on files which isn't a neutral cutaway for star trek you know those kind of like montage things i don't know if that was cliff bowl pitching it or not but it was nice to i like them yeah i do too i think it's a fun way to show progress quickly uh they decided to do this mediation in the schoolroom, I guess. They're in the school room. Cisco's very surprised that

Gold Dukot came all the way to DS9 just for a custody hearing. Suspicious. He does let them know that he's aware that they were political enemies, that Dukot and Padar were political enemies. And Duccott says he's only concerned about the children's welfare. I started getting suspicious of Duccott. Even though I was team Duccott for a while early on, I'm now, did not trust it. You know what? We still love you and you're not judging your ignorance. Okay, good. Thank you. And also, Robbie, also, I also feel subconsciously because you used to own Ducati bicycles. I did. Motorcycle. Yes. That may be team Ducat is why you were. Yes. That could be why I like Duccott because of Duccote motorcycles. Yes.

nice you will soon know not like dakotty don't spoil it don't spoil anything terry we know that we're going to see some stuff hit the fan hair raising shit man okay go ahead we go to the infirmary garrick suddenly has a light bulb moment he realizes he was wrong that duccott would have been smart enough to purge this file of rugal if if if he was manipulating all this uh but he has already found the name of the person that wrote the original file. So maybe they will remember. Her name is Jomat Luson. Sounds like a French name. It sounds like a Filipino name to me. Oh, yeah, it does. But I want to say a thing. I do like when Garrick said, how perfectly foolish of me, the way the writers wrote that for Garrick, just that line itself was just wonderful when he got the aha moment,

he says this. Yes. Yeah. And Andy's talented. He's super talented. And they have a good, very very specific voice for that character. We have to ask him to be on the show, too. Oh, he's going to be on the show. I've already talked to him. Oh, you have? Yay. I love him.

Oh, please let it be one where I'm there, too. We'll get both of you. That'd be awesome. Oh, my gosh. I adore him. And Andrew Robinson would be amazing. Terry, he really is the best, isn't he? I mean, as a person, he's amazing.

He's just one of those guys. When you see him, you just smile from ear to ear. There's Andrew Robinson. I remember when he was younger. I had one of those crush, you know, movie crushes on. He was so. Oh, yeah, super handsome. Super handsome.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. We go to the school room back to our arbitration, our custody hearing.

Sisko's questioning Rugal about his first memories. And Rugal remembers his father, the Bajoran father, teaching him to swim yeah he's got this this memory of so it's just a short little scene but it was a sweet detail that that you know it's a very familiar kind of family thing of learning to swim or learning to ride a bike with your parent or things like that it's an important part of the story because he was adopted having that it also tells us the bonding that has happened in his formative years with his adoptive parents. So, like, this in real life is a deep struggle for people, this kind of thing.

In this scene, you do see the affection that the majoran father, Proca, has for Rugal. And vice versa. Rugal definitely loves his Bajoran father. You see that in that whole swimming thing. Most importantly, yeah. Yeah. We go back to the infirmary. and Bashir is on a video call with this Bajoran person that wrote the file, wrote the records,

Jomat. Garrick is hiding out of view so that he won't be seen. And she does remember Rugal because he was the only one that was turned into Bajorans by a Cardassian. The rest were just found orphans. But this one was very different because he was turned in by a female military officer from the command post Terak Knorr. And when Garrick hears that, there's a big smile. He, that, that makes sense to Garrick. We don't know exactly why yet, but this is starting to come together. We go to the schoolroom next and they're discussing rural situation when Bashir and Garrick come in, now that they've

talked to this lady that took the record. And Bashir asks if he can ask some questions. And it didn't go well the first time when he interrupted Zisco, but Cisco, seems to cautiously agree to let Bashir ask some questions. And basically this is the courtroom scene of the episode where Bashir is acting like a prosecutor and lays out the whole plan that Dukot was involved in, kidnapping Rugal, expressly to shame his rival, his political rival one day in the future.

And it's a long scene, it's a courtroom scene, but Dukot ultimately can't defend any of it. And he leaves very angry, at Garrick at the end. Yeah. But the important point is that literally, if this comes to light, he will lose his political career. It ends, it ends immediately.

It's finished. Yep. There was some nice camera movement in these scenes with the camera going around behind some of the characters and some movement in there that I thought Cliff did a good job. Again, the only shot in this whole episode that I thought Cliff, you know, short change was maybe that scene when they arrived at him. Bejor, otherwise, every scene, Cliff did such a great job. And wasn't it kind of odd that just Duccott gets up and walks out?

And I mean, I realize what would they stop him for? I mean, but it did feel kind of unsatisfying for me. Yeah. They're like, there was no consequences for this craziness that he's, he's caused, right? It's like nothing. Nothing. Nope. Well, especially that he literally leaves.

the room. Because in the next scene, we realize that Hidar is going to leave. He's going to take his son back to Cardassia. And there was a stalemate between them two. Yeah, and that they're going to keep it quiet. Yeah. Yeah. So he won't lose

his political career and Dukot won't get in trouble either. They just cancel each other out. Yeah. And what's weird to me, though, is that leader didn't do anything wrong. Rugal's father didn't do anything wrong. He it was all done on him by Ducotte.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it feels like Dukot got off. As you said, it feels a little unsatisfying because there's no consequence for Dukat here. Yeah. He's clearly busted in a conspiracy plan and he doesn't pay any price for it. It's a horrible conspiracy plan. He made Padar think his son was dead.

Like, that's the worst conspiracy. I can think of. It's horrible. Yeah. Miles comes in with Rugal in this scene where they're in the promenade where they're leaving Miles, brings Rugal in. And he does leave with Pidar, but he's clearly still very wary. And Miles says to him, you know, you're welcome to come back here anytime. So we see this growth in Miles that O'Brien has softened a bit in his generalizations

about Cardassians and things, which I thought that was a really nice story. Yeah, to be a little more specific, Miles says anytime you want to see your old adoptive parents, meaning Broca and Broca's wife, I'll set it up. I'll broker. I will broker that. So that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah. It's very sweet. But it's a long, it's a far cry from him. All Cardassians. Judging the kid and he can't be around playing with Molly. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Huge. So, yeah, he's definitely seen the light in a way. But it's, It's so sad. I mean, all I can think about is the kid, Rugal. He's the loser, and he's still the loser because he doesn't even want to go back to Cardassia. He doesn't even know Padar as his father. It's just all around. This made me very sad watching this episode.

Yeah. Refugees and orphans. It's a sad reality, you know, it really is. Our very last scene is in the Replomat, back where we started this episode. Bashir asks, Garrett, what is the truth about him and Dukot. He wants Bashir's like, tell me, you know, what is going on with you guys? And Garek again speaks in this kind of these riddles. I love this writing though. I do. Yeah. Very lyrical. Yes. Very, yeah, very kind of almost poetical. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Garrick basically says he doesn't believe in the truth because there is no such thing. And he talks about, you know, he prefers the straight line and simplicity of just cutting cloth. It's very, Yes, it's very poetic. A little bit of bullshy. A little bit of avoidance. I don't believe you'd really rather be cutting cloth or he wouldn't have been on the planet fixing the computer. Yes, yes.

But he does say to Bashir, just look around. You can find the truth. It's all around you, like scattered breadcrumbs all around. And that is the end of it. So we kind of bookend Bashir Garrick scenes in this episode. And I really enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. my lesson is the truth is in the details that we often overlook that was my lesson

sometimes we can make generalizations like miles people can make assumptions off of a first glance at something judgments and things like that but the truth is really in the details like garrick says the breadworms that are all around us we just have to look i didn't know quite how to put it together but i really for me the judgment the racism and this really bothered me uh but i thought it was the biggest lesson about taking people one person at a time but i didn't know how to articulate that yeah don't judge people on on generalizations judge them for who they truly are as an individual. Yeah, who they show you that they are, right. Yeah, we're on the same page, Terry, definitely. My lesson is don't judge a book by its cover, number one, and don't, don't generalize

when it comes to a race or a species. You cannot say your experience with one person or one alien. It means that the rest of that race or species is exactly like that. You can't do that. That's generalizing. So be very careful of generalizing. Yes. Winner of the patron poll for the theme moral of the episode is submitted by Alexander Ray. There are more victims in war than just those hurt on the battlefield. Wow. Very true. Yeah. And look at this poor abandoned or not, he wasn't abandoned intentionally. But anyway, the orphans, they're going to live this trauma. And what did they do? Yeah, nothing. Innocent, Absolutely.

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