The Delta Flyers - Caretaker Part 2

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

Part 2 of Robert and Garrett discussing the Star Trek Voyager episode, Caretaker.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with Megan Elise, Rebecca Sims, and Jessey Miller. ...Additionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers Ann Marie, Philipp Havrilla, Jason M Okun, Stephanie Baker, Stephen Smith, Sarah A Gubbins, Kelton Rochelle, and John Tufarella. And our Producers Breana Harris, NCC-1701, Máia, Steph Dawe Holland, Richard Banaski, Father Andrew Kinstetter, Gregory Kinstetter, Charity Ponton, Josh Johnson, Laura Swanson, Chris, Thomas Melfi, Liz Scott, Chloe E., and Deborah Schander. Thank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey guys, welcome back to the Delta Flyers. You know, this is something where we've had so much to talk about. We're going to have to split this episode. This is supersized. Supersized podcast. All right, we're going to continue talking about the pilot, a recap, and where were we? So now we're in the mess hall scene. This is the actual very first scene that was filmed.
Starting point is 00:00:29 I was super nervous. And I remember in this scene, I'm sitting with actors Scott Jake and Jeff McCarthy, who played the original doctor and the original first officer. They're sitting with me at a table while we're eating. And Tom Barris comes in, and he orders from the replicator, he orders soup.
Starting point is 00:00:48 That was the first scene we ever shot? That is it. That was the first one. The very first shot we ever did was me walking up to that replicator, saying that tomato soup stuff, And as I turned and over to you guys, the camera panned over to reveal you. Correct.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Talking crap about me and giving me the stink eye. Correct. And I remember that we had a star field outside of the mess hall. Yeah. They kept talking about the star field. I didn't know what they were talking about. And it was they had built this moving star field. Like it was on motors so it would move and make it look like the ship was moving.
Starting point is 00:01:23 That's right. Things like that. And so there was all this conversation about that. And I didn't know what they were talking about years later. Of course, I realize very well what the different star fields are. When we're at impulse or warp, warp is a green screen because it's got to be stars flying by. Impulse is just the track stars. And then if we're docked like we were, I think there at that point, stars were just still.
Starting point is 00:01:48 So we just had a still star field. Yeah, I remember all that stuff was very, very new. And I remember the crew was talking a lot about this was the old. they basically repurposed the TNG. TNG. Yeah. Ten Forward. That was their little ten forward set. And for me, Billy Peets, the, what is he, head electrician?
Starting point is 00:02:11 What do you call it? What was the grip? Yeah, the grip. I thought he was a mute because that day he all he did was nod. He didn't shake his head, either shook his head or he nodded. He didn't say anything. So I thought that he did not have the capability to speak at all. That's the funny thing I remember.
Starting point is 00:02:27 He's actually the gaffer, not the key grip. Yeah, he's the gaffer. Randy Burgess was the key grip. What's really remarkable about this scene or what stands out is that, again, I was so nervous that my body was shaking, like my entire body was shaking. And again, I was thinking, I need to tell the executive producer, I can't do this. I need to quit. I can't do this job.
Starting point is 00:02:48 I was just shaking, shaking, shaking, shaking. And I looked at the two guys that were the guest stars that were, you know, the first officer who passes away and the doctor that pass away. So Jeff and Scott were sitting there. And I look at Jeff. And I said, Jeff, man, I think I'm going to pee my pants. I said, I'm so nervous right now. I can't stop shaking.
Starting point is 00:03:06 He's like, yeah, man, I can see it. And I said, what do I do? He says, hey, let's do an improv exercise. I'm going to get your mind off of this. Okay? So I said, well, what kind of action? He goes, just go with it. Go with the flow.
Starting point is 00:03:18 And so as Robbie walks in, he very, in a very low voice to me, he says, there he is, that bastard Tom Parris. I said, what? Why is he a bastard? Because we know he's a bastard. I said, how do you know he's a bastard? He said, because we know everything about him. That's why. You were whispering all this stuff. You were whispering all this while you were walking. Yes. I was doing my tomato soup line. Yeah, brother. You're far enough away. You didn't hear it. And it worked. And it worked. Dude, it worked. It saved my butt because literally is that I said, well, how do you know he's such a bad guy? He says, well, we know him so well. We're going to know what he orders from the replicator. And so then that
Starting point is 00:03:57 That made me laugh a little bit, right? Because I said, really? You're going to know what he's going to order? Yeah, he's going to order soup. And then you say tomato soup. And then he goes, and guess what? This is how we know he's a bad guy, that he's someone who had these trouble. He's going to be picky.
Starting point is 00:04:12 He's not going to just want tomato soup. And then the replicator asks you, there are 15 varieties of soup like that. And you're like, plain, plain, plain, hot, plain tomato soup. And so the whole time they're actually, you know, prompting before you say that, He's going to order a plane suit, and then he's going to want it hot. See how picky he is? We know him so well. And the whole time, I'm now laughing and getting into this.
Starting point is 00:04:36 All my shaking stopped. It came over to me, and then I have the immortal words, you know, and you're like, well, I guess, I guess we can't be friends. And I'm like, well, I get to choose my own friends. And then we become buddies for the rest of the show. Yeah, Jeff, Jeff is a very talented actor. He was played The Beast on Broadway and Beauty and the Beast and done a lot of big theater projects. Good guest stars on the show. Always have good guest stars.
Starting point is 00:05:00 My eternal thanks to Mr. McCarthy for helping me out and getting me less nervous. From here, we head on into the bridge scene where we're heading into the badlands. We are at Paris and Kimber called to the bridge, and we see the displacement wave that takes the marquee ship to the Delta Quadrant is now also coming bearing down upon us. This is the first time you see Janeway's wig. And Janeway's wig changes throughout this series, because after the displacement displacement wave knocks us out. That piece hanging down.
Starting point is 00:05:28 That piece. Oh, it's all over the place, right? It's everywhere. She had that piece. And then finally, when she's heading to engineering, you see her, she actually didn't put it up. They just had her hands up as if she was doing it to suggest that she fixed her hair finally. Robbie, they had to go back and reshoot that corridor scene.
Starting point is 00:05:46 That wasn't in there because they had shot the scene of her walking into engineering and her hair was perfectly fine. And somebody said, wait a minute. continuity wise that's wrong her hair was totally down from the bridge and now it's perfect so then she puts it back up into a bun and it's a looser bun in the hallway when she walks into engineering it's a super tight bun so it's again it's right oh my god remember now that you say that and the but the crazy thing is as you watch the progression of her wig like some of it you can see the lace you know the color is weird at the end when she gives the big speech about you know we're
Starting point is 00:06:20 far away from home blah blah blah the wig looks a lot better like they finally kind of, the hair team got it all together. But it was nutty that they had to shoot that corridor scene just to make it look like she put the hair back. I remember now, yeah. And then we go to Tom and Harrier in the sick bay. The part of the sick bay is on fire. They handed me that fire extinguisher, which Megan and Keely were like looking at like, well, that's not very futuristic because it really looked like a very basic kind of, you know, thing. And I remember having putting these gloves on because it was like that super cold liquid nitrogen.
Starting point is 00:06:53 or whatever it is, right? You know, there was pyrotechnics going on. That was the first time I felt, you know, sparks hitting my face. And that happened to all of us all the time. I found it interesting that our head of pyro was Dick Brownfield, who literally had missing. He had two fingers missing. So it was like he had blown his fingers off. Yeah, I think that most of the special effects guys I worked with, you know, in my life,
Starting point is 00:07:17 missing at least one finger. I figure he's uh he's an old school yeah visual uh special effects guy i also remember in the sick bay that bob picardo that was my first uh taste of him and props he loved props so he was always he had pads or things he was all he loved business and and i i remember noticing that that like he was he came in and wanted to have props to play with and move around and and that continued through the whole series. But I remember noticing that right out of the gate that Bob, this guy likes to work with props. Which is good. It's good business to have business as an actor. But I will say, since I am the person to activate the EMH, am I the father of the doctor in a way? Does Bob a card
Starting point is 00:08:05 he owes his entire life to Ensign Harry Kim? I bring him to life. So, you know, that was my note there. so then we go back to engineering back to sick bay back to engineering people start disappearing sick bay they're disappearing in sick bay and engineering and we end up in the farm scene the farm set which we talked about earlier a city of industry very odd in the midst of a instruct industrial area is this this you know kind of rural set right we have we have the banjo player we have tom's fortation he didn't he couldn't he couldn't I remember filming that he could not play banjo at all. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:08:47 No, he did not really play. That was all put in later. And I remember when I was watching him, his fingers would just be kind of randomly doing things. And I was like, that doesn't look real. Like, I know they're gonna put music in, but it just doesn't look like he's actually playing a band. So anybody who plays guitar is probably watching,
Starting point is 00:09:07 like that is not right. That's not a chord. Yeah. And then there was that farm girl that was all flirting. with you and me right and you were extra flirty with her she was kind of you know i thought that was my character back that was that's right you know he was the ladies man he thought of himself as the ladies man yeah very distracted by uh the pretty girls she was nice to remember that robert beltrane for seven straight years would always quote uh well we're ahead of schedule or uh no more
Starting point is 00:09:39 time no enough time yeah he always do the, he did that for seven straight years whenever we were, you know, running out of time, behind schedule on shooting, you know, filming or something. Beltran did that? Yeah, Beltran would always I don't remember that. I do, I do recall his, when he calls Janeway, when she's,
Starting point is 00:09:57 well, aren't you up a day for a minor bipedal species? That line, minor bipedal species was coming. After we get back to the ship, we realized that, guess what, Harry Kim's not there. And the Machi also realized Belon Torres is not there. And
Starting point is 00:10:13 you, you, You are the one that messages the captain saying, you know, Captain, Harry's gone, and you show that you have care and compassion for Harry. Yeah, they were, the writers really put a lot of stuff into that pilot episode to establish that Harry and Tom, you know, are bonded from that scene in Quarks Bar and they're going to look out for each other and, you know, they're going to be buddies. And yeah, it was very well, well conceived by the writers, I think. at this point that little keely said he doesn't care about you Tom never did care about you that was her line so yeah she just said that as a joke oh and we also remember uh before coming back on the ship that's one of the towns people turn evil and we see the processing facility and we see everybody on the bio beds right that was I didn't I didn't remember I remember
Starting point is 00:11:04 you having a needle and screaming really loudly yes I remember you didn't see the thing is but I had a needle that you did that you had coverage but they didn't use your coverage. When they did your close-up, I watched, and I remember when Janeway did hers, she made this sound. She's like, uh, uh, uh, I mean, and I joke when I'm at conventions that it didn't sound painful. It sounded like she was going to having something else happening to her body. And then when it came to you, you did this. You were like, um, like you were constipated or something. It was sort of this like macho, hey, I'm still Han Solo, tough guy thing. You made this sort of grunting thing. You made this sort of grunting thing.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Tuvok made no noise. And as a preparation as an actor before that scene, I said, okay, three-foot needle gets inserted into my chest cavity. How am I going to react? And I said, well, let's go with the obvious, let's go with the choice that there is no anesthetics, that it's just going to be painful. And so I chose to scream. And that was, you know, how they ended that act. It was sort of like, ah, I went to commercial break. So I screamed my bloody head off.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Yeah, you did. I remember that. Yeah. after that scene, we had people on chat groups. I was in Star Trek chat groups on AOL back in the day, and people were like, wow, you're just like Chekhov. You scream real good. So people were happy about my screaming.
Starting point is 00:12:25 This was also the first day that we realized that Tuvok was a practical joker, Tim Russ. If you recall, he was wearing a robe like all of us on set. And the men were basically shirtless, and we had skin-colored tights that we wore to look like we were nude. Women wore all complete body colored tights that came all the way up. And we were in robes before we shot our close-up. And Tim Russ made the announcement there. He turns to everybody. It says, excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, I have a quick announcement to make. I just want to
Starting point is 00:12:57 say that when I take my robe off, could everyone please be polite and not make any comments or laugh? And now we're thinking, what's underneath that robe? What is he, what's he hiding? Does he have, does he have leprosy, you know, does he have boils? What is it? So he makes this huge announcement on set to cast and crew and he takes off his robe. And at that point, half the room starts laughing their ass off. And I'm thinking, what are they laughing at? And he slowly turns like in a 360 turn. And as he turns profile to me where I can see him in profile, I noticed that he stuffed about 50 pairs of socks in his crotch area to make it look like he has this huge, huge elephantitis of the penis, basically. It was just massive crotch and everyone sort of cracking up because who knew
Starting point is 00:13:42 that the Vulcan would be like that, right? I mean, he's, he literally is very funny. Tim always had he would prepare these jokes, things like that. And he was always very dry and, yeah, we had a, we had a good group. We had a lot of fun. Yeah, it was a fun group. So then we go back to the bridge and then we head to the alien sick bay where you meet Kim and Torres that, are now sequestered by at the alien sick bay and the infection they had on us was sort of you know they had these little um honestly it looked like apple pie is what it looked like and i kept that the one that was on my hand i kept you really i did and i and i glued it onto the mirror in my trailer i just had it sticking there so i don't know why i did that i just thought hey i'm going to
Starting point is 00:14:28 collect after we wrapped after i kept it after we wrapped it was just kind of stuck on my trailer mirror um for a while and then later in a later episode where species 8472 attacks me and I have the tendrils coming out. I kept one tendril and I posted it right next to that little apple pie disease infection kind of thingy. Yeah, so those, you know, that was a fun, that was a fun, uh, uh, scene. Megan made fun of the fact when I restrained Bolana that I'm holding her with my, my fingers outstretched. Like I don't grab her shoulders. I'm, she kind of gets angry and she hits the door. I'm like, what are you doing? And I grab her like that. And Megan's like, Why would you grab somebody like that?
Starting point is 00:15:07 Part of it was because I didn't want to, A, I didn't want to screw up the makeup that was on my, on my back of my hand, because it was kind of precariously put on, right? So I didn't want to move and make too much movement, and so it kind of looked a little awkward, but that's one of the reasons. And you can see that she actually tore. There's a hole in her gown. Oh, yeah, I saw, I noticed that one on the rewatch. Roxanne had been a dancer, and she was very committed to anything physical whenever there
Starting point is 00:15:35 was, you know, stunts or things like that. Roxanne was very committed to it and really dove in. The next scene we're in Janeway's Ready Room, and she's talking with Tuvok, and she's talking about how Kim's mother called and said that Harry left his clarinet. I have a friend of mine, Aaron, who mentions that this is the whole reason, you know, why you were never promoted is because Janeway was so annoyed that your mom called to talk about your missing clarinet. She said, I remember when I, on the rewatch that she said, Harry went to Juilliard or something and played the clarinet.
Starting point is 00:16:11 I think she said the, wasn't it the Starfleet Youth Symphony, she mentioned? Did she say Juilliard? She said Juilliard, yeah. Oh, wow. Juilliard Youth Symphony or something like. Okay. Which I had forgotten, but I was like, because I actually did go to Julia. You did go there.
Starting point is 00:16:26 I was like, oh, that's cool. Yeah. At the end of that shot, it's weird. It's a two shot of Janeway talking to Tuvok. And because he's standing on a lower part of that ready room, he looks like he's a foot shorter than Janeway. And so people don't know if they're watching Voyager for the first time. They don't know the physicality of that set exactly what it is. But it was a set, it was a different level.
Starting point is 00:16:47 But honestly, Tuvok was tiny compared to her. So then we go back to the bridge where we meet Neelix. Neelix comes on the screen for the first time. It looks in his super cool coat. I love that coat. I thought his look was awesome in his ship. I wish he had kept that look. It was awesome.
Starting point is 00:17:02 I wonder who has that coat. I know they auctioned off all of our uniforms and everything and costumes at the end of the show. So somebody, some fan, somewhere owns that cool coat. I love that coat. And I just thought it's odd
Starting point is 00:17:14 that he's in a ship, yet he has no clue about transporter technology. So it's like, what? Because we beam him over. And he's like, beam? He doesn't understand that.
Starting point is 00:17:23 It's so funny. And he sort of got this pose like, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready. It's so funny. I really, I thought it was a breath of fresh air to see some of that comedy that Neelix brought. Definitely.
Starting point is 00:17:34 And there was a lot of scenes with Neelix that ended up on the cutting room floor that people didn't see. There was a scene in his ship where he's moving around and he's pushing buttons and he can't reach this one button so he literally jumps and hits a button
Starting point is 00:17:47 and there's some really funny things that just didn't, you know, you didn't get to see everything with Neelix. Neelix, Ethan Phillips, to his credit, is excellent at comedy, right? Whether it's physical or not, he's very good at that. So when you see him in the transporter room,
Starting point is 00:18:01 The first time we see the transporter room, what's interesting about that transporter room, if you look at the ceiling, at the ceiling, that was actually the transporter pad, the floor from Star Trek, the movie. That was kind of a neat thing. We had a piece of history there that we were working with. Right. They forgot about that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:19 And just very quickly, Robbie, from a director standpoint, how is a beam out created? Just to explain to people, like when we beam people in and out, can you explain the plate processing and how that works? Yeah, it's technically on that beaming moment, you need the person there, and then you need them not there, and you sort of blended it in a dissolve with a little effect. But you don't want to always just cut to these locked off shots that feel like obviously a visual effects, you know, shot. So what we would often do is sort of pan the camera over with the actor walking to a stop position, and then they'd start to beam out. you'd keep rolling, you'd step them out, and then you'd get the clean plate. So it looked like they were in movement, or they'd beam into that shot and then start walking into the scene.
Starting point is 00:19:09 So it was always, from a directorial standpoint, you're always looking to try to have those, not always, but often trying to build it in so it feels naturally a part of the shot. And we just sort of all got used to those steps, I think, you know. And sometimes when a guest actor would come on and have to do a beam in or a beam out, they would act like Neelix and kind of go, what am I doing? You know, because they hadn't done it before. But that's true. I think for us, we got very used to, okay, and we're going to beam out, we'll just step in, we'll step out. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh, so much already. I don't always travel, but this summer's
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Starting point is 00:20:49 Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan. Taxes and fees extra. See MintMobile for details. But another thing they don't teach you at a conservatory acting school anywhere. No, no. Then we go back to the alien sick bay, and I thought it was interesting when she introduces, Torres introduces herself to Kim. She pronounces it Bay-Lana, because the rest of the show, we say Balana, right? We don't really say Bay-Lana, but she says Bay-Lana.
Starting point is 00:21:14 And I thought, hey, that's different. I thought it was hilarious that Janeway and the team, they were, when they were in the O'Compin Underground, were riding the escalator. it's like really maybe we shouldn't use the escalator it doesn't feel very futuristic after we leave there
Starting point is 00:21:34 we come back to the scene with Nelix in the bath which I love because he has that whole intro where he's singing and he's improvving that song which is hilarious when he's like
Starting point is 00:21:43 and he's like he does this like hilarious little melody which just quintessential Johnny Phillips there but this is really the only time we see
Starting point is 00:21:52 Neelix Topless you know what I'm saying You got that ridge. Got the ridge right there. Yeah, crazy ridge. And, you know, in the whole Mr. Vulcan bit, you know, we have this friendship that developed. And what's odd enough is that that actually became a real friendship. Ethan Phillips and Tim Russ had this really odd couple friendship that they had, you know,
Starting point is 00:22:12 that nobody else really understood, but they were buddies about, you know, for the rest of the show. We meet the Kazon Ogla, where Neelix kind of tells us that we have to go down. and it's his way of rescuing his girlfriend, Kess. Yeah, we don't know that. Robbie, I mean, honestly, when I look at the Kazon, I don't look at them as threatening, mainly because of the hair. The hair bug bug the crap out of me. It was this crazy, maddy, afro that they put, actually,
Starting point is 00:22:38 they used the pig ears that you give to feed dogs, and that was painted and put inside the hair in different places. And to me, I kept thinking they should have made it more looking like, it should have looked more closer to like the predator or something. with menacing dreadlocks, but they did this crazy Afro thing with the pig ears. And I never was a fan of that.
Starting point is 00:23:00 But we meet Kess, we see her. Lovely Jennifer Lean, who was the youngest at the time. I was the second youngest, right? She was the baby. I think she was 18 or 19 when she booked the show. Yeah, she was very young. Back to the transporter room.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Kim and Torres in the Ocampan Underground. Let's see, sick bay with Kess and crew. That was lovely when the doctor was complaining and Janeway just deactivates him. I love that little bit. And he just kind of, this is the point where you see that he's adding his comedic side to it.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Because when she says, computer, turn off EMH. You see Bob's face. Like he literally goes, his eyes get big for a second. Like, oh my God. And he disappears, which a program shouldn't be doing that, right?
Starting point is 00:23:42 He should just be very, very like, no, he brought personality to it. Oh, my God, he did. I remember then after that, that whole action sequence climbing up through the tunnels to get back to the surface and that that was a very complicated action sequence. We had a big set piece with stairs that were built to collapse and we had some stunt doubles in there. I remember some of that stuff. I also love the fact that I'd forgotten that
Starting point is 00:24:08 Tom wanted to go back and save Harry, that he did a very heroic thing. And I was very, I was happy to see that because, you know, again, my memory of early days of Tom that was that he was a bit of a jerk. And it was nice to see him doing something redeeming and heroic right out of the gate. But actually, you weren't going back to sit. You saved Harry. We all came out. You volunteered to go back and save Chacote. Oh, yeah, that's right. Right? So Paris, my notes are Paris and Neelix go back to help Tuvok save Chakotay and Janeway to get them out, right? Yeah. That was, that was, and that's where that wonderful line, you're like, isn't that some sort of Indian custom?
Starting point is 00:24:53 And then Chikote goes, wrong tribe like that, which was a great line, wrong tribe. Let's see, we are back on the, the Brits, Sick Bay, and then back on the bridge. The Cazon come into attack because they want to overtake the array, which is now the caretaker is slowly dying. Janeway and Tuvac, let's see, they head back to the array and they talk to the caretaker. This to me is a really, because every Star Trek episode I feel, besides the basic story that you're watching, there's always an underlying message, you know, behind every Star Trek episode. And for me, it comes in this speech between the caretaker and Janeway. Now, initially, I thought that I could play this audio clip now because, you know, for licensing purposes or whatever,
Starting point is 00:25:41 really don't want to tread on anybody's copyright. So I'm just going to recreate this little scene between the caretaker and Janeway in their voices. So I've been searching the galaxy for a compatible biomolecular pattern. Now, in some individuals, I found cellular structures that were similar, but I, you've been trying to procreate. I needed someone to replace me, someone who'd understand the enormous responsibility of caring for the Ocampa. Only my offspring could do that. Did you ever consider allowing the Ocampa to care for themselves? They're children.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Children have to grow up. Where explorers, too, most of the species we've encountered have overcome all kinds of adversity without a caretaker. It's the challenge of surviving on their own that helps them. to evolve. Maybe your children would do better than you think. Voyager to Janeway. Go ahead. That was my own voices, Kim.
Starting point is 00:26:46 So there you go. That sounded totally like Harry. That sounded totally like Harry. Did it have a pretty good Harry impersonation? Thank you. Oh, my God. But so, you know, I think really the message behind this is in this speech in a way. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:26:59 Just like sometimes you can you can coddle your kids forever and say, I'm going to, I'm going to shelter them and whatnot. But in reality, if they, don't learn to live life and life's adversities as a you know you're never going to to advance or evolve as a human being right uh or mature however you want to put it i think you know another part of that message to me was this was a brand new series in the star trek mythology and uh you know jean roddenberry had been around during the tng years but i think the franchise was sort of looking at some growing pains and and it was it was also reflective of what was happening with star trek itself it was
Starting point is 00:27:42 expanding and growing and in a way star trek had to let go of daddy of jean roddenberry and sort of move into some new areas a female captain and the delta quadrant and new aliens and so in a way it was like the franchise needed to be set free to grow up a little to that then the caretaker dies, he becomes a rock, right? He comes from the blob down to the rock. And I think that, you know, it's interesting because basically the prime directive, I think, you know, the prime directive is basically we can't interfere with another species development, right? We can't do anything to affect them.
Starting point is 00:28:26 And I think once Chocote kind of takes his marquee ship and sort of like kamikazes, kamikazes against the Kazan ship, which then crashes into the array, which then destroys the self-destruct sequencing, which that's when Janeway said, well, I kind of screwed up. I mean, I don't want to interfere, but I've already interfered. We're already part of it.
Starting point is 00:28:45 So we're going to go ahead and destroy this array, just like the caretaker was going to do. And then we are up to our own to get back to Earth. So that was a big deal with a lot of fans saying, like, oh, my God, she went against the prime directive. But, you know, yes, she did. But at the same time, she did it because of what happened with, we kind of messed everything up in a way by being there.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Oh, I have one side note here. Scott McDonald, remember the actor that was sort of like there for a lot of stuff. He looks like the actor from The Matrix. I can't remember his name, but the one that's like, Mr. Anderson, that guy with the and he was also in Lord of the Rings. That's what Scott looks like, and he was a great actor, a recurring actor for us. And so the only other thing that I was going to play an audio clip of was the final speech, which really sets us on the whole journey.
Starting point is 00:29:30 And I'm going to go ahead and do that in my, this is Janeway speech at the very end. It's sometimes at one hour, 28 minutes, and 53 seconds to one hour 30, 22. Get this ready. We're alone in an uncharted part of the galaxy. We've already made some friends here and some enemies. We have no idea of the dangers we're going to face. But one thing is clear. Both crews are going to have to work together if we're to survive.
Starting point is 00:30:00 That's why Commander Chakotay and I have agreed that this should be one crew, a Star Trek, a Starfleet crew. And as the only Starfleet vessel assigned to the Delta Quadrant, we'll continue to follow our directive, to seek out new worlds and to explore space. But our primary goal is clear. Even at maximum speeds, it would take 75 years to reach the Federation, but I'm not willing to settle for that. There's another entity like the caretaker out there somewhere who has the ability to get us there a lot faster. We'll be looking for her, and we'll be looking for wormholes, spatial rifts,
Starting point is 00:30:36 or new technologies to help us somewhere along this journey. We'll find a way. We'll find a way back. Mr. Paris, set a course for home. Yes, ma'am. It was eye captain, but that's okay.
Starting point is 00:30:56 I got a screwed up on my line anyway. It felt like a yes ma'am moment to me. Very good. That's good. That is, that's the end of our scheduled recap of the supersized pilot. We needed to kind of dive deep into this one. So thanks for sticking with us. I just want to thank everybody.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Most of all, I want to thank Rebecca Sims and my partner. And Megan Elise, my partner. They have worked so hard. I just want to acknowledge how hard they've worked to help us put this all together. and get logo designs and music and editing and t-shirt design inspirations and just really been supportive so Rebecca and Megan thank you so much yes I mean tired literally tirelessly they have been just around the clock doing all the nitty gritty while we're trying to prep for the show they're doing everything in the behind the scenes and I'll tell you starting a podcast is there's a lot of
Starting point is 00:32:01 stuff that goes on with this. It's not that simple. I thought it would be very easy, but oh my gosh, there's so many logistics and so many things to take care of and set up. Yeah, we've got some growing pains. This was like we said, unexpected supersized, but we wanted to dig in deep for this first episode and maybe give everybody a little extra something. So thanks to Megan and Rebecca.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Thanks to all our Patreon subscribers and particularly our producer level subscribers and our co-executive producer-level subscribers really helps to make this show possible and get all of those things together that allow us to bring this shows to you. And for as long as we have spent on this, I do think this is a good beginning and I think that people will dive into this
Starting point is 00:32:51 and be excited that we did do as much as we did do. Thank you again to all the fans and thank you to both Rebecca and Megan for helping up with everything. and we look forward to you joining us on this journey for our next episode that we will be reviewing Parallax.

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