The Delta Flyers - Children of Time

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

The Delta Flyers is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, Terry Farrell, and Armin Shimerman. In each podcast release, they will recap and discuss an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.This week’s episode, Children of Time, is hosted by Garrett Wang, Robert Duncan McNeill, and Terry Farrell.Children of Time: The investigation of a planet surrounded by an energy barrier reveals a colony founded by the Defiant crew members when the barrier caused them to crash 200 years in the past. We would like to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Production Managers, Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill.Additionally, we could not make this podcast available without our Executive Producers:Stephanie Baker, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Kris Hansen, Chris Knapp, Janet K Harlow, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, Mike Gu, Tara Polen, Carrie Roberts, Sandra Stengel, AJC, Nicholaus Russell, Alex Mednis, Holly Schmitt, Roxane Ray, Andrew Duncan, Tim Neumark, Ian Ramsey, Feroza Mehta, Jenny Cordina, Ryan Mahieu, Izzy Jaffer, Francesca Garibaldi, Jonathan Capps, Chris Dellman, Sean T, Cindy Woodford, Tamara Evans, & Shawn RobbinsOur Co-Executive Producers:Liz Scott, Sarah A Gubbins, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Elaine Ferguson, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Deike Hoffmann, Anna Post, Cindy Ring, Lee Lisle, Holly Smith, Amy Tudor, Mark G Hamilton, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlman, Darryl Cheng, Elizabeth Stanton, Tim Beach, Victor Ling, Shambhavi Kadam, David Wei Liu, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Randy Hawke, Penny Liu, Matt Norris, David Smith, Stacy Davis, Heath K., Andrew Cano, Robby Hill, Kevin Harlow, Chris Garis, Jeff Allen, & Londyn HenningAnd our Producers:Philipp Havrilla, James Amey, Jake Barrett, Ann Harding, Trip Lives, Samantha Weddle, Paul Johnston, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Carl Murphy, Jocelyn Pina, Chad Awkerman, AJ Provance, Brian King, Maxine Soloway, Heidi McLellan, E & John, Brianna Kloss, Dat Cao, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Alexander Ray, Kelly Brown, Sarah Thompson, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Renee Wiley, Maria Rosell, Dominique Weidle, Jesse Bailey, Mike Chow, Matt Edmonds, Miki T, Heather Selig, Steph Davies, Stephanie Aves, Seth Carlson, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, Annie Davey, Jason Eberl, Jeremy Gaskin, Sarah Dunnevant, Charlie Faulkner, Estelle Keller, Eddie Dawson, Lauren Rivers, Jennifer B, PJ Pick, Preston M, Rebecca Leary, SnazzyO, Karen Galleski, Jan Hanford, Katelynn Burmark, Cade Solsbery, Timothy McMichens, Cassandra Girard, Andrea Wilson, Slacktwaddle, Willow Whitcomb, Mo, Leslie Ford, Jim Poesl, Scott Bowling, Michael Jones, Ed Jarot, James Vanhaerent, Nick Cook-West, Kilian Trapp, Kit Marie Rackley, Gordon Watson, Andrew Golden, Damien O’Donnell, Michael Bourguignon, & Patricia WelschThank you for your support!This Podcast is recorded under a SAG-AFTRA agreement.“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark, and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, or distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail] Sponsors:* Check out Quince: https://quince.com/tdfAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and their good friends, Tom and Harry. Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine. Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Farrell, Robert Duncan McNeil, and myself, Garrett Wong. I was doing hand signals, too. Yeah, we're doing flight patterns. Like that. Thank you. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hit my hand.

Thank you. And for those of you who are just, you know, it's awesome because Robbie was doing really cool. Some people are just listening. But if you. How could they possibly do that when they're getting all of this cool stuff? I know. All the cool hand gestures. Yes, he was.

That was weird. He was doing interpretive dance. And when you subscribe at a $5 level, you can watch Robbie do a little interpretive dance too. Five dollars? That's a phenomenal price. You can see the entire video at the entire podcast. And smooth moves. as they called them.

That's what people say about the smooth moves. Exactly. And you have to understand. Robbie is a very funny human being, and he's a visual medium as well. You have to watch him speak and make movements to get the full effect of Robbie Dick McNeil. I can imagine him when I talk on the phone,

him and Rebecca. Doing crazy moves. Jam in her way, doing their moves. She's cooking dinner. And he's like, I don't know if she needs my help or not. I know. I should go to him. They do synchronized cooking where they do moves and stuff together.

I am the cleaner. Do you guys have like jobs that, you know, like I am the cleanup guy. I love cleaning up. I'm like, okay, get out of my kitchen now. I'm cleaning up. You clean. Brian does that for Susan now. He didn't do it for me.

Oh, Terry. You deserve a cleaner. I know. You do. I know. Well, if I'm going to cook, yes, I think it should be. Yeah, people should share. If you cook, she cleans up.

Robbie, you and I are adjacent. Yeah. We are adjacent. We are adjacent because I also clean, but I am not cleaning kitchens. I'm cleaning clothing specifically. Oh, you're the laundry. I'm a laundry guy. I tried that with others and they tend to leave it in the washer.

Yeah. Oh, that doesn't want me doing laundry. That's why I'm doing, I always did the laundry. If you leave it in too long. It's too irritating. If you leave it in too long, you got to wash it all over again practically because it can get bacteria and whatnot. So you've got to be, yeah. Well, nobody wants what not in Vegas.

No, it's so dry here. You just leave the door open. Yeah. That's true. And you're okay. It's weird here. Yeah. You know, on Star Trek, we didn't have to do laundry.

Oh my gosh. There's never any mention of anyone picking up any dry cleaning or anything like that. No, only there are new outfits from Garik. From Garrick, yes, Garrick. But other than that, no. That's kind of interesting, isn't it? Did he do dry cleaning as well as tailoring?

No, he was just a tailor. No, but you're right. We should have seen. But we never saw a bathroom in our quarters either. Does this mean? Maybe in Kira's or miles as we did. We saw, didn't we see Kira in a bathroom one time, in a mirror or something? in a bath?

Probably. Or was she just getting a massage? Remember when he was giving her a massage? Yeah. No one cleans their clothes, maybe. People just don't clean their clothes. People just use febrees. They just spray that to get them.

Oh, I can't stand for breeze. No. You're either a pro-febrize or a not-fabrease. I'm anti-fabrease. Okay. Then we can say something else. Lysol spray? Anything?

like what would you use to like clear the air? Nothing. Open the windows. Open the windows. Okay. There you go. You guys are so natural. I love it.

Yes. Well, I understand I used to use Fabriz, but then it just kind of. It smells dirtier to me. Very earlier on. Yeah. It just made me feel like then I have to clean the Fabriz off of whatever I sprayed it on. Yeah. Because it.

I like essential oils, like an oil, a diffuse. Is nice. Okay, maybe that. A nice diffuser. Did we have diffusers on Star Trek? I'm sure they do. We needed them. But if there's a sense in your house or your vehicle, your car, and the windows open, don't remove that scent.

Then would you go to Fabriz or a similar cleaning product? Oh. To clean the air? How would you? Or a detail or exactly. I would vacuum. Have somebody to detail your car. Yes.

Okay. I remember I'm Becker. At that point, I could afford to have that guy once a week clean my car. Come to your house and like, oh, no, they came to the studio. Yeah, they did it at the studio. Yeah. That's one of those that somebody has to tell you and you go, I never knew that. Yeah.

Here's his number and it suddenly is an easy thing. They do that at the airport here at Salt Lake. You can take your car for the VIP parking and they will clean. Yeah, I think it is. Yeah. They've had that. I used to park at those. I love the spot in L.A.

Yeah, I used Wally Park in L.A. And you guys remember how often I went to Vegas and that time. So I would just take it to Wally Park to VIP. And then I would say car wash everything. And I come back and it was great. Oh, wow. That's when you had the ducats to pay for that every time. So I got to wash once a week, basically.

So during that time, a lot of fun. Shall we talk about birthday? Let's talk about birthday. First. I'm jumping. Birthday's first. Yes, we have Tristan Everts on May 17th. Tristan, happy, happy birthday, you youngster.

How young is Tristan? He's much younger than you would think. But he's an old soul. Possibly a vampire. Possibly a vampire. He might be a vampire. Possibly a vampire. Tristan, I wish I could meet you.

May 17th. Happy birthday, Tristan. Tristan, my friend, happy, happy, happy, happy birthday. It has been a pleasure knowing you, sir. All right. Next up, we have also on May 17th, a very popular day. Wow. We have Victor Ling, our good friend, Victor,

happy birthday, Victor. Happy birthday, Victor. Victor, happy, happy birthday. My Asian brother from another mother. Happy birthday, Victor. Well, we have Chris Hansen, May 17th. Happy birthday sister from another mother. Chris Hanson, you are my cousin from another mother.

On May 17th, you were born in a month that has so many wonderful days, but none more popular than May 17th for Chris, Victor, and Tristan. Happy birthday, Chris. A clandestine date. Yes. Happy, happy birthday, Chris Hanson, the one person that I know that travels as much as I do, Chris Hansen. You are so amazing and happy, happy.

birthday to you. Also, I just want a quick shout out. My sister's birthday is May 18th. Happy birthday, Laura. Happy birthday, Laura. Let's go into poetry time with Robbie, please. Yes, here we go. I've got a limerick for this wonderful episode, Children of Time. Here we go. Timeline stories are fragile and thin. Contradictions are tangled within. But when Kira appeared, Odo's secret was cleared. I think a love story is about to begin. Nice. Nice. Very good.

I always struggle with timeline stories like because they're problematic for me. But this one I enjoyed. This one I actually did enjoy. A very smooth. We also followed the rules that you cannot exist at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. And I appreciated that truth even though it was painful.

Correct. You know. Mm-hmm. Oh, my gosh. I have so many versions of this poem. I am really hoping I circled the right one. You can read more than one version. You can do an alternate version reading too.

We've done that before, or at least I have, I know. That's up to you. We have so much to do. We do. I'm going to just do one. Pick your favorite. Well, I talked to Max, so I don't really know which one is. But this one seemed to work.

So crossing my fingers. I'm going to call this Odo. Unrequited love. My secret. My heart. Overwhelming grief. My loss. My pain.

Alive again. I must give us a start. To share with you, my love, my stain. Time is traveling to take us apart. Your life, my love is my gain. Game or gain. Gain. G-A-I-N, okay.

Yeah, why would he play a game now? Yeah, you know, that's why I was like, wait, I loved everything. I said to the end, which is game. Why is he gaming her? No, okay. Game, yes, very nice. You're like somebody who's just lost their hearing. My dad always like guesses something really weird and I'm like, why would I say that?

My hearing is. That doesn't even make any sense. I would. People do it to me? I don't guess the thing either. Yeah. Why do our brains do that? My hearing is so bad.

The worst thing. The worst version. Yeah, we do. Yeah. It's called negative. The negativity bias. We all have it. I apologize for my negativity.

No, I apologize for my bad hearing. That's what mainly started that. No, why would you? You can't control that. I can get a hearing aid and I probably could help me a little bit. But I do have, or get my ears check. Maybe I have a bunch of wax buildup or something. Who knows?

Okay. Why don't I want to talk about ear wax? Let's not go there. All right. I already went there. Here we go. Hiku time. Let us begin with this haiku of children.

I always want to say of the corn, but it's not children of time. here we go. Dax makes fateful choice. A planet of descendants. Odo sends them home. Oh, I love that. I like that too. Yeah.

Thank you. All right. Mine was a little grim. No. That's okay. I don't think it was grim at all. Patreon submitted poetry winner, submitted by Feroza Meta,

Future, born from Wreck. Children plead through borrowed time. Odo chooses love. Oh. I like that very much. I like haikus. Short and sweet. I do too.

Teleplay by Renee Ashavaria. Story by Gary Holland and Ethan H. Koch. Excellent. Yes. Good writing. Good writing. Ethan H. Koch and Gary Holland.

Directed by Alan Craker. Guest stars, Gary Frank. As Yedrin Dax. Jennifer S. Parsons. As Miranda O'Brien. DeVita Williams. Dorn Fain as Molly, co-stars, Brian Everett Chandler as Brota, Mary Beth Massett as Perrell, and Jesse Little John as Gabriel.

Nice. There we go. Great cast. I like this cast a lot. Did you? Yeah. And Alan Craker directed. Our buddy Alan, who we've talked about before, did a lot of Voyager episodes, did a lot

of Chuck episodes that brought him over when I was producing on Chuck. Yeah, good to see his name. And he married my makeup artist. And he married your makeup artist. He did. Well, I had to, I think there was a point where it was too much for me to go back and forth. So I would go just to Michael for my spots. But then Karen started to do my beauty makeup.

So that we could buy a little time, you know, especially because he had Kate and Chacote. Oh, that's right. That's right. He was bouncing back and forth between our sets at this point. Well, I was. Oh, you were? I was the one bouncing back and forth. Yeah. So you would come to our trailer too, right? Yes. Wow. Robbie. I got my hair done at my, in the Deep Space Nine. Hair trailer. Hair trailer. And then I would come to your trailer, your hair makeup trailer for Michael to do my makeup and my spots. But I generally had to get up so that Kate could come in. So that started to be a conflict because obviously I had to be on set on time too. So that's, I think, where Karen came in. I loved her. She was amazing. I'm trying to remember. I do now that you mention it, I remember seeing you in our trailer occasionally, but I don't think we

chatted much. I don't like it. I only remember saying hi to you in the street once. Yeah, maybe once. But I think our schedules wouldn't have been the same. First of all, I had to get there early. earlier. Yes. Yes. You probably. Because you did way less hair and makeup than Kate and myself. I was very quick.

Yeah. Yeah. So if you were in there, you could have been at the other end probably too. I do recall. No, I do recall seeing Terry there once in a while. I would like, oh, there's Terry. So yeah. Yeah.

So it was cool. It would be like, oh my gosh. That's our cousin. She's visiting. You know, so it was really, it was a joy and refreshing. All right. Trivia. Thank you.

Trivia. Writer. Gary Holland got the idea for this show after seeing the second season episode, The Collaborator, which he also wrote. In that episode when Kira tells Odo that she is in love with Vedic Bariol, Odo reacts a little strangely. In the episode itself, he says it is because he is surprised that it has taken Kira so long to realize her true feelings. But many viewers felt it to be the first indication of Odo's love for Kira. And that is exactly how Holland interpreted the scene when he saw it. And he decided that he wanted to write a story about their. relationship, but he knew it couldn't just be a straightforward narrative. Okay. So what is super interesting is that Gary Holland originally pitched this episode in 1994. So we're talking about the beginning of, you know, much earlier, right? So in 1994, during the third season of DS9, both Ira and Ron, so Ira Bear, Ron Moore, they

liked the idea, but they felt that the time wasn't right for the show because past tense part one and part two had been screened not too long ago, and the visitor had been greenlit for early in the fourth season. So they were not keen on doing another time-traveling show so soon. So in 1997, Renee Ischavria called Holland and told him that they had received a very similar story pitch from writer Ethan Koch. So they felt that the serendipity of this event convinced everyone it was time to do the show. So the producers purchased both ideas and had each writer do up a story proposal independently of one another. Ooh, interesting.

Very interesting. Robert Hewitt Wolf describes the outcome of this. Quote, there were elements of each that we liked. So we combined them in a blender mixed well, and Renee wrote a really nice script. So I think that's what a great idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, they could have boned one of the two writers, but they said, hey, we heard this

pitch already. We're going to buy them both. And we have both of you work on it and take the best, the cream of the crop of both writers and hence we have this episode. Oh, it shows. Written so well. Great idea. Yeah.

Another little bit of trivia. Neither Nana or Renee really were overly happy about the romantic aspect of it. They wanted their characters to stay friends. Oh, interesting. I did not know that. Because they don't play it that way.

I mean, I'm just saying they did such a good job. They really did. So they did not show. show their distaste or their, you know, unhappiness. That would be so unprofessional. It would be, of course. Yeah. Yeah.

And they're professionals. Also, Sarak Lofton does not appear in this episode. We always, we always miss dear, dear young Surak being there. I wonder if they were writing him so much less at this point because of school. Yeah, probably. I bet they were. I bet that which is a wonderful thing, that they were respectful of that and that they valued, you know, that time in his life for him to really focus on. school. And if somebody didn't, Avery probably would have stood up for Surrach about that as well.

Maybe you did. Maybe Avery went to them. Because he had a single mom too. Yeah. Well, he still does. But you know what I'm saying? Then especially, I think Avery felt like he needed to step in. Yeah. And be there for her too to stick up for Surrach. Is Armin in it other than that little clip? Just the teaching thing. No. So that doesn't really count, does it? So once again... Counts for residuals. Yeah. Yeah.

But also when we're missing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, yeah, so you can't use him. Okay, a little bit of weird trivia. This episode is the first episode of Star Trek, of any episode of Star Trek, to feature the use of a freestanding ladder. Really?

Yes. So bizarre. That is bizarre. Oh, so bizarre. I mean, bizarre that it's notable. Yeah. And you'll tell you. It's a ladder.

Yeah. That was that weird. Yeah, it's very bizarre. And I think the reason why they weren't. That's like saying we've never seen a toilet, but you think that nobody went to the bathroom just because we never saw a toilet. Yeah. So I imagine ladders were used before.

I used the transporter to transport my your waste. Yes. Into space? I transported it right out of me. Yeah. What the heck did we do with all of that? I'm telling you what you did. It went back into the replicators and was recycled into the food you ate.

Seriously? That's what I think so. That's my theory. That's what Robertclose. God, I feel ill now. It's just energy. Do you tear fare fare? I feel ill now.

We just ruined tear fare's image of replicators forever. I'm having recollection. You told me this before. Yes, this is my theory. And I, again, am trying to jettison it from my mind. Yes. All right. That's a good word.

to use. Jettison. I love that word. Because I'm just thinking these like ice capsules of stuff. Of waste. It's shot out into space and it explodes everywhere. Yeah. If you're out of photon torpedoes, an ice waste is really good to shoot at people.

That's where you put it. You put it in the torpedoes. Shoot them out as weapons and fire them at. That's good. That would confuse the Gem Hedar if we fired ice poop at them. They would be like, what are they doing? I mean, I don't, okay. I feel that the reason why we don't see Armin except for that little clip is that he's very,

very busy on Buffy. This episode that we are reviewing aired the same day as Armand Schumerman's first appearance on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, on which he continued as a recurring character for the next two seasons. Schmerman has said that on at least three occasions, he worked on both shows on the same day. Wow. Getting into makeup chair, getting into the makeup chair before. dawn to shoot the scenes for DS9 in the morning and then getting out of makeup in the early afternoon

and driving an hour across town to shoot scenes for Buffy late into the night. Wow. Can you imagine guys? Yes. I can imagine because I did a soap opera in New York and a movie Masters of the Universe in California at the same time. You did double duty so you know it. Occasionally would film the soap during the day in New York time. Yes. Get on a plane and shoot a night scene at 3 a. in Whittier, California, on the same day. Right, basically. But you were a much younger person than what Armand's age is here in terms of your vitality and your energy. Yeah, it was not a good way to work.

No, it's taxing on you too, but at least you were a young man. My Don the Dragon, the last night we shot, I was home for two hours, had to change my clothes and be picked up by a car. Of course, that I slept through as I'm laying on my couch waiting for the car. They had to call me to come out. Oh, yeah. And I had to fly to Vegas to do something for Paramount for Deep Space 9 in Vegas. Also, there was the month we did rejoined. I was also doing a video game, Treasure Quest.

Treasure Quest. And I worked on the weekends, and I was heavy in like three episodes that month. So it was like I had. Yeah, it was full blown. A little bit more trivia here. Sorry, this is the fourth and final D-Space 9 episode not to feature any scenes based on D-Space 9, the station itself, with the exception of the regular opening credits. The others are Past Tense Part 1, Past Tense Part 2, and Paradise Lost, and then this one.

These are the only ones where everything takes place. Off the station. Yeah. Everything's away from the station. Interesting. Okay, so let's dive into the episode. We start with a Captain's Log, which says Captain's Log, Star Date 508. 14.2, the Defiant is returning to Deep Space 9 after a week long reconnaissance mission in the

Gamma Quadrant. So you've been out, you've been exploring. When we cut into the mess hall on the Defiant, Dax cannot wait to sleep in her own bed. Kira does share in the scene that she's ended things with Shakar because the Prophet said so. The Prophet said they're not meant to be together. So she's ended things. I thought that was interesting that whole conversation. And Odo's reaction, I made a note, doesn't anybody notice? He's like such a big reaction and nobody goes, Odo, are you okay? Did you just have a, you know, broke? Tura does say, is he all right at the end?

When you're right, when he gets up and excuses himself. He excuses himself. He goes out in the hall and he holds the wall. He's got to hold the wall. He's like, it's like Sanford and Son. Do you remember that TV show? Yes. I'm coming.

I'm coming. whatever he used to. Yeah. He died in Reggie's Diner. Yes. Or I worked in Sanford and Sunset. Oh, where he actually passed away, you mean? Yeah.

Where we shot Becker was the same stage that they shot. Oh, my goodness. A funny small world. And he died on a set that was where Reggie's diner was. Oh, my goodness. Oh, wow. Isn't that weird? Yeah, it is.

A real heart attack. Yeah. I think they said, they thought he was joking on set, one of those things. I bet. He does that on the show all the time until he fell over. until he fell over and didn't get up. So that's so sad. I wasn't there.

But Dax says at the end of it, Keir says, is he all right? And Dax says, you know, Odo, this sort of talk makes him feel uncomfortable. So I'm guessing that's how we've been reading it this whole time,

not really. Yeah, that he doesn't like. He talks about having a romance with anybody. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Well, we go into the bridge of the Defiant. There's a crewman offering coffee. He's taking a tray of coffees around, which I thought was very, strange, especially with the coffee mugs that look like merch. It literally, it's, it had the Starfleet emblem, and then it said Deep Face 9 or something on it.

I was like, oh, they're trying to push some. Do you say corks at the bottom maybe? No, no, but it's probably, I remember seeing those mugs, though, at the Paramount store. Yeah, I'm sure. They were trying to promote some merch. So they grabbed merch from the Paramount store and brought it. to pay for the product placement. Obviously not, but very funny, though.

Well, Dax picks up some readings on a planet nearby. Everybody wants to go home, though. Yeah. But Dax really wants to go explore this because there's some kind of energy barrier around this planet. They can't tell if there's life forms there. But Dax really wants to take a look. And Cisco's like, okay, we'll make a quick survey. But, you know, he doesn't say he doesn't,

acquiesce that quickly because he has that one phrase. He just Dax is all into it. She's all sciencey. And Cisco goes, Dax. That's all he says. He's just trying to calm her down. And she's like, no, no, no, it's really going to be great. And that's when he's like, okay, we'll just go. You know, so.

Are you sure it's safe to pass through the interference? Right. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Few shield modifications. It would be sailing. She's scienceing it up. Yeah. But I just think It's a smart fungus.

Well, I knew from that one, Dax, that this was the wrong thing to do at that point. It's like, uh-oh. Doesn't everybody know that? That's like coughing to you, Robbie. Yes. Oh, now I think of that every time somebody coughs. And then another character goes, yes, we should go. Go!

It's going to be a problem. Later, we're landing on the planet. It's bumpy, very bumpy going down. The whole. Yeah. Defiant Shias. making, Kira gets this shock that sort of like double exposes

her. So clearly Yeah. That was super bad. Something. I mean, if you don't feel scared when Cisco Yeah. Yeah. It looked like her soul was coming out of her body is what it looked like. Yeah, that was bad. That was not good. I do want to draw a light to

Dax's funny comment in the end of that last scene when Cisco's like, fine, we'll do a quick survey. But if it's just some fungus, we're not beaming down. What if it's smart fungus? Which is, to me, it was a sitcom moment. I just wanted to say funny, funny, funny, funny line there for you. Good funny stuff.

Yeah. They're bumpy going down. Kira gets this weird shock, but she seems okay. But clearly, as the audience, we know she's not going to be okay. Worf does pick up some life signs. He says 8,000 life signs on the planet. And they bring up Miranda and Yedrin on screen. They know their names.

They know all kinds of stuff about them. Super creepy. And they're all human. There's no, you know, what? Well, at least. Humanoid. Yes. Yeah.

They say, come on down. We'll talk about it over Racta Gino. And then he says, oh, I forgot. You're trying to cut down. So he knows every. Right. It's like they've been watching on security cameras or something. Mm-hmm.

So what did you guys, what did both of you feel at this point? What was happening in your minds? Like, what? I thought they were telepaths or something. Okay. Mm-hmm. I thought they were all changelings. that had formed into all these people to sort of fool everybody that this was, yeah, that's

where I went. That's interesting too. Yeah. My mind was open. I don't remember doing this one at all. Really? This whole scene? Yes.

This whole way, the whole episode. Oh my. Yeah. I mean, I was straining to try to remember. Oh, my goodness. It's so crazy how there are episodes though that you. Yeah. But you have no recollection, right?

No. It happened. I wonder, too, if it's because this happens in real life. This has happened to me. a lot. When you are ruminating about your personal life, even though you're at work, I think there's, you're not present. So, yes. Even if you're just present for the scenes, your personal stuff is going. And we all know what it's like to ruminate. Oh, yeah. It wipes your memory out. Because you weren't completely there. Yeah. You could probably cross-reference shooting dates with,

you know, personal relationship crap that's happening in your life easily. Like, oh, that's, that's That argument there. Or maybe a grandparent passed away. Exactly. Exactly. Any tragedy in a family. Someone in your family is getting divorced. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We cut down to this beautiful town square. It's very bright and sunny and idyllic. O'Brien, Worf, Dax, and Cisco all beamed down. And Miranda has some crazy news for them.

She says this settlement was founded by a star, the crew of a Starfleet vessel. It crashed on the planet. Yeah. The ship was the defiant. And she does say here that two days from now, when you leave and try to pass through that energy barrier, you'll be thrown back in time, 200 years. And you'll be stranded here and become the founders of this settlement. What? I know.

So they're the descendants. This is where timeline. That's why my poem was about time travel because I'm a little confused. Like she's basically saying you're here with us. In two days, you're going to be thrown back. back and start us over again. Right. But then how are they there?

Like, it feels like there's a loop that somebody jumped into this. Yeah. Well, because they got thrown back, right? And they've now lived up to the 200 years now.

They've been there for 200 years now. They know the date that they crashed. So they're like, it's coming up soon. So that's why they were so on the view screen immediately. Hi, we were expecting you. Because they, right? So it's all there.

Hang on. It's hard to wrap your head around because it's always hard to wrap your head around this kind of crap. That's why I wrote my poem about it. It's never going to happen. But still super cool idea. Yeah, super cool, except for the part, how will we be, how would they still be there if we're thrown back in time and pop in again? They wouldn't be there then, right? That's what I mean.

Like, because they're popping into themselves, their descendants base, they're popping into a timeline. they're kind of dropping into a timeline they shouldn't be in if they're tied to that timeline. 200 years forward from where we are. So I wish they would have just taken out that you'll be thrown back in time and just said, you'll be stranded here. And you will be starting all over again. I mean, in my mind, that makes more sense because otherwise, I mean, the rest of the story, they would disappear anyway if we came back and it was 200 years back in the past.

So why are we so upset that they're going to disappear if we got away? Because if we're thrown back in time, 200 years, they don't exist anyway. But then they will exist at some point. Like their lives will be a thing. Whereas if we don't go, if we don't go back. Either way. Right. See, there's the.

Yeah. Right. So they wouldn't exist. Yes. If we came back, they would not exist. They had those 200 years. But we'd have to make them all over again. No, wait a minute.

Okay, you're saying that coming back would cause them to disappear. There's time. They're not going to disappear because you guys are already dead, right? So there's no, there's no Cisco anymore. They're all dead. If you throw them back 200 years, if we're thrown back in time 200 years, aren't they thrown back as well? That is cut. Oh, no, because that's how they're founded.

That's how they become. They founded by us, though. Yes. So they need you to be thrown back into time. They need that to happen, right? So if we're thrown back in time, though, when we crash on the planet, like what happened to them, 200 years in the past, in their past, how would they still be alive? They wouldn't. They would eventually become alive because you guys create them.

That's it. See, this is why I wrote a poem about it. But here's the thing. Because also, at some point, Kira argues, you know, that nobody, if we went back home and the people, that we would create, but they don't exist yet. Yes. But the thing is, if we land back in time, they don't exist yet either. So they're going to be gone no matter what.

But they will eventually be there, though, Terry. But then if we're working with those kind of time loops, so will everybody on the space station, if we go back, everybody who would be our ancestors from that timeline. But the argument later on is, yes, that's true, but they don't exist yet. So they're not as, but, but the people in the planet do exist. Like we know them. Wait a minute. If we're on the space station, if we're on the space station and we never landed on that

planet and we jumped 200 years in the future, there is a timeline where those people exist as well. Yes. If this is possible in this direction and the other opposite direction, it's true as well. Oh, I'm about it. It makes my head explode. What makes my head explode is why is Dax not sharing that? Because she's stuck in the paint, which clearly you see me like really upset when I finally get called out that it was my fault.

But then isn't the captain's fault because he's the one who has to, but he trusts me? Yes. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of stuff here. But let's just go with their story. This is what Miranda says. In two days, you're going to be thrown back and that's what makes us exist. And you're going to become the founders of us.

So, yay, family reunion. Why. Robbie, I'm so happy. Let's just go with their story. I'm upset. I know. You sounded like Casey Kasem, Robbie. Okay, so later, after the opening credits, they prove who they really are. Yedrin, the man in this team, he says you'll find the Dax symbion right here.

Dax scans him. Yes, that's true. They scan Miranda. Her DNA is similar to Miles. Yedrin talks about something Curzon would only know to Cisco about a dancer. It was very funny. Actually, he goes, you remember that dancer that you met in the Pelio station? The one who, and Cisco goes, that one?

That'll do. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And Gary Frank started to do a thing with his hand, like her shape or something. And I was like, oh, wow, okay. I don't know if you guys clock this or not, but this is. episode had more mm-hmms and uh-haz of by main people really oh left and right where there's just

no maybe that's added but i don't know could that i don't think so very unusual it was usual to have a lot of that sort of casual naturalistic sort of yeah yes exactly okay maybe it's because of where we were possibly in that village yeah i liked at the end with warf how the kid gabriel who's super cute he says Are you the son of Moog? And Worf, because I am. Gabriel says, is it true? You can kill someone just by looking at him?

And then he thought about it. He's like, only when I'm angry. Yes, I loved it. I thought, wow, I've got to remember that to tease a little kid when they say something like that. But the set looked beautiful. I thought this whole kind of village square was lit beautifully. Set design, 100%. Lots of kids in the background, which is very unusual for us.

you know, lots of young kids. And look at where we were in the fields and all of that. How do I not remember that? Mm-hmm. We must have been very tired. Also, I noticed several times the under-eye makeup looked super bright on me. And that's when we're shooting really late because when they've redone your makeup and you're in hour 18. You can see that.

Concealer starts to show. It starts caking on maybe. Is that what it is? Well, here's a thing. Then they give you a touch-up. Right. And they've already, they can't wash your face. No.

And start over. It's going on top of it. It's just layer and layer. But it doesn't look cakey. They add a little moisturizer to it. Yeah. A little of it and moisturizer. It just is so much brighter.

Right. Oh. When they do that. Yeah. And that only happens to me when I've already been there 12 hours. 12 hours. And it's funny because in scenes like this, because the set is a day exterior town square or whatever.

As a viewer, I forget that you guys could have been shooting these scenes at four in the morning or five in the morning. Yeah, exactly. In the middle of the night. But yet the set feels very bright. Yeah. There's no way those kind of buildings would survive. I mean, otherwise. Yeah, that was on stage for sure.

Next up, we have Miranda O'Brien taking them on a tour. They end up at a meeting hall, which is also sometimes used as a classroom. We see two girls are basically getting a virtual lesson from a. virtual corks on the view screen and he's actually talking about a math question a math problem. So I thought that was pretty cool. And we do learn from Yedrin that it was Dax. It was Dax, the one that incorporated this educational. Ed Zia. To clarify.

Exactly. Not any old Dax. Jedziah Dax. Terry Farrell Dax. And this school program was designed by her and it was her choice to use corks image. from data files that they had on the Defiant, I guess. And this is Armin's residual scenes. This is his residual scene. And he was a very friendly quark. Did you notice that? He was like talking to children in a very friendly way.

It was funny. I like also in the makeup choice that Gary Frank's makeup, the spots weren't as intense as mine. Yes. Yes. Right. Yes. Same as that little girl, if you notice.

Those were like, you know, she had a couple here. Because there's only one strain of trill there, right? That's right. So it dissipates. So Molly is related to Miles O'Brien's line. Correct. The one girl, Molly. And Lisa is the trill.

That's who Dax comes down and gets kind of, you know, close to. And she was a descendant of mine and war. Yeah. Exactly. Because you guys get married in this timeline. So, yes. Well, they learn in the scene that Kira died, which is big news. Yeah.

But they do learn that Yedrin. has a plan to make some modifications to the defiant and then they can create a duplicate of the ship and both timelines can survive so the duplicate can go back and start their timeline and oh i knew this is going to be tricky yeah yeah right when he said it it was like really yeah it's not going to be that easy yeah i like your response when lisa's very excited you want to see where she's buried? And Dax is maybe later. Not right now. It's a little too new for us. Oh, she's dead. What? Yeah. Well, we go out to space and I like this space shop because you can see the gas of that the thing that drew Dax to the planet. Right. That layer, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I thought that was a nice detail and they did a good job of that. We cut into SickBank, here is on the bed and we see that Odo can't hold his form. He can't hold his shape because of the quantum fluctuation. So Bashir's got him in this container. How is that? Like a little condo, a little pet carrier. Yeah, a little pet carrier. Put him in like a little portable refrigerator or something.

Yeah. So let's, you know what that thing is. It looked really official though, right? I mean, it looked like a real. It looked like a real deal. Oh, like you know. The stasis. Yeah, here's the trivia.

But behind the stasis chamber into which Dr. Pershear places the present-day Odo in his liquid state for safekeeping is a simple 20th century breadmaker. Redressed with LEDs and other props attached to it. It's a bread. They literally went to Best Buy and bought a bread maker. You probably had that bread maker yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I still have mine, although it needs to be replaced.

I used it so much. Oh, my gosh. You guys could have stored Odo. I thought you were going to say it's like for a human heart or something. because it looks so intense. Well, it looks so detailed. Once they put the little LEDs on there and extra gizmos, I believed it. I believed it too.

And now I know it's a breadmaker. Breadmaker. We all know it's a breadmaker. Those guys are genius. Well, Bashir puts him in the breadmaker and then he goes to meet the other Bashir family. So he's curious too because he's got a Bashir line. He wants to meet those people.

Yeah. That would have been fun to meet them too. Yeah. Odo comes in, though. The Odo from this. timeline on the planet, that Odo comes to visit Kira and he looks very human, much more human than the Odo we're used to. And he ends this scene by telling Kira that he loves her. He says something I wanted to tell you for 200 years. I love you, Norese. I've always loved you. I don't know if it's

the makeup that he had on, but I was mesmerized by that makeup watching him. And very handsome to the point where this seemed to me, he was a leading man in a soap opera scene of expressing his love. That's what I saw. This was as the world turns for me. I was to mesmerized with him. And that's a compliment coming from Gawa. Yes. Yes. It's a compliment. Some people slam things by soaps. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not slamming it. I'm just saying it to me, it was just I couldn't take my eyes off of him. And especially because they got to, he got to use his real face. Most of it. Right. Was there any prosthetics left? Yeah, it was definitely. Just to around the eyes a little, I think they had something,

but something on the eye. A little bit, but very little. He definitely had makeup on. Right. They just re-molded it. It was a different, like a sculpture. Okay. But he still had the makeup on.

Okay. He looked great. He did look great. He did look great. And his hair was different. Yeah. He looked so good. He just looked more masculine and more.

He did. He looked like. He had his autonomy. He looked like. A bronze, you know, like tanned and just, I don't know. And I want to say too, because she mentions this how he's different. It's not just that he looks different.

It's that he knows who he is now. Yes. And he's not ashamed of who he is. And he's connected to his feelings. He's way more present. This is a whole different person. Yeah. And you could see her falling in love with a person, this person.

Yes. Oh, she's seen him differently for the first time. Yeah. And he says, I want to show you the planet. I want to show you a guy. It's a beautiful play. And she's into it. She wants to go.

So we head back down to the meeting hall where Cisco is being introduced to his latest descendant. And it's a baby. So cute. So cute. So cute. Avery was clearly taken with that baby. Every was loving on that baby. Oh, my God.

Oh, I bet he's a great dad. He must be a great dad. I really think he must be. I mean, the way he treated Surrach alone. And actually, anybody who he kind of mentored, I mean, I got some of it too. He's very protective and he's so intelligent. While Cisco is loving on this baby, Dax calls and basically says the plan should work. His plan makes sense and everything's going to be all right.

And with the information he gave me. Yes, with the information he gave. It seems like his little, his evil plan is going to work. So we cut out to the town square. Worf is out there. Bashir's there. They're surveying the infrastructure, seeing if they need any supplies before they leave.

When some Klingons arrive, it's Worf's descendants, sons of Moog, they say. But they're not all related to him. Yes. Yeah. They make the choice to be Klingons, which is amazing.

Yeah. It's kind of what Dax has done in a sense. She's kind of an adopted. There's three of them that you see, right? The male definitely looks like he's descended. There's a little bit of. of bumpage here, but not a lot. But the woman is clearly one of her 100% human and joined the group, right?

When you say that she was one of the joining. Oh, no, that's what they have to prove themselves. Yeah. She says, when you're older, you have a chance to prove yourself. If you're worthy, you can take a Klingon name and live amongst us. How cool is that? Not very Klingon, but it's pretty cool. It's their version of Klingon, yeah.

Yeah, that's what they have. It's an evolved version of, of being a Klingon. Kind of like Klingon light, you know, in a way. Mm-hmm. But they take care. Seriously, they want to have a feast to celebrate his return, and they want him to join, and he says he agrees.

He'll look forward to it. So they're going to have a feast with him. Cut back to the engine room, and Yedrin's telling Dax that she married Worf. This is where she finds out that she did marry Wark. In this scene, he reassures her that she's going to learn how to handle him. So that's comforting for her. Very sweet. Yeah.

And Yedron says in this. scene next the next fall, Benjamin performed the ceremony after the crash. And I cut my hair and Worf hated it. Yes. I think it started because I was moving my ponytail out of my way. Oh, I see. In the scene. So they were sort of anticipating like, yeah.

Just to add that. Yeah. Yeah, but Edrin knows about details of this wedding. So yeah, in that timeline, they got married. Yes. Mm-hmm. We cut out to the town square where O'Brien is working on a pump or a well or something. And Bashir tells Miles that he ended up with Angie Kirby.

Is it Angie Kirby? Yes. And then he mentions Rita Tannenbaum and Miles gets very flustered about. He's pissed. Read a Tannenbaum. How did I? I want to say with these characters because I'm like, I don't remember these characters. I think we don't know.

No, no, no. Angie Kirby, they say it's brand new. She just transferred in. So no, even Miles was like, I don't even know who that is. And he's like, that's right. I don't know. And neither Bashir or O'Brien, no Kirby. But Tanenbaum, I think we've seen Tanembaum in a prior episode, I'm going to say.

I feel like, yes, I do. Well, he doesn't want to talk about it. He's like, I have a wife and kids. I don't want to talk about this. That's too much to wrap your brain around. It is. And then he looks over at Molly and Lisa. And Molly is his descendant.

So he's getting, he's torn here. I don't want to hear about, you know, what happened here, but yet here's physical proof that this happened. And here's my descendant right in front of me. And they look like young Brenda's, his real daughter. Oh, how funny. Yeah. All right. So now we go to Keir's gravesite, which is up on a top of a hill in beautiful Malibu, maybe, question mark.

It looked like, it looked like. It looked like Malibu. It looked like. Yes. I thought it was very. I thought it was very sold-dad canyon looking to me. So I'm sorry. It was very cany-looking, yes.

Yeah, there's a spot. I think it's the old Fox Ranch or Disney Ranch, I think, that's out near Calabasas. Will Rogers Park? Something like that, yeah. Isn't there a Will Rogers Park out there? I wouldn't be surprised if we parked there and then drove. It goes to where. It's beautiful and very great.

green. So it must have been raining a lot in California because it was the hillsides were so green. Yeah. Yeah. Kira thinks, though, in this scene that there's, you know, one story, one timeline. That's her belief with her, you know, religion. And she says that Odo has changed so much from the Odo that she knew. And Odo says, well, the other Odo, the Odo that you know can change too. He's got the same potential as that. And it's a beautiful scene. They walk off hand in hand at the end. of the scene. Oh, very sweet. Right. And that's the thing that I mentioned earlier. Just it's that he's so much more relaxed in his own skin, so to speak. This, Odo is a grand, this, oh, to me, comes off like a master yoga instructor. He's so just, chill. And he looks fit. He practiced yoga every day. Yes. He was very fit, Renee. He hiked load. Yeah, I know he loved. to hide. Well, this

Odo also says, you know, this means that the other Odo doesn't have to lose you. Now that you know this, you know, I want you he's basically saying, I want you to know this because I want you to go back to that original Odo, the me that's in that timeline.

And know how he feels because he can't tell you. He wanted to, but he couldn't tell you. And be patient with that Odo. Let him develop it to this Odo, the one that you are attracted to. That's Yeah. This is a beautiful scene. I love the tree they chose and the hilltop they chose.

It's just, it's gorgeous. We go back to the town square. It's baseball practice. Gabriel Flynn, another boy are practicing. Dax tells Cisco that Yedrin lied. He's been lying that this plan will not work. And she was going over. He faked the logs. He faked the information he gave me. There was never going to be a duplicate defiant. He wanted to protect his own people

and he wanted to make sure that we got stuck in the past so that he could protect his timeline. Liar! Yeah, but it's weird though because you'd think that if he didn't say anything, you guys would still try the same thing and you would end up going in the past anyway if he didn't say anything.

So now this is where my head's starting to go boop. Like I don't know how he's like why is he faking anything? He doesn't have to fake anything. You guys are going to try to go to that anomaly anyway, right? To go back. Then it would have worked not to. say a thing about not being able to leave. Right.

He could have eliminated lying and just lied by omission. Exactly. So he didn't, you know. Would have been less messy. Definitely. Until they crashed. Anyway. Then anyway, they wouldn't have been live yet.

Again, timeline stories. My head explodes. Yes, it does. I don't know. Yeah. We go back to the. My ratings are changing. As we speak.

As we speak. No. Don't make it. Just let it, just let the timeline flow over you. Just don't find it. Okay, hang on a second. Are we not, Gawa, are we not more positive than Duncan McNeil over here? About the show?

Usually. Usually. And you're the one saying, well, there's this, that, and the other thing. And we're like, but I just enjoyed it. I know. I'm just saying that now. And now we rip it apart. I know.

Yeah. I want to hang up now and just love this episode the way it is. It's a good episode. It is really good. It is, but these holes pop out to me. And I only watched it once. And I'm sorry, I didn't watch it twice. I got just a little too choked up about Renee and not.

It was just a, I don't know why hearing that she was gone. It's just like, I can't handle that right. Yeah. So this episode more than any other episode with Odo and it made me miss Renee. I thought I was like, man, I wish Renee was with us still right now. This would be. I'm so grateful for the time I had with him. He would be.

awesome on the flyers just talking about everything and just oh we're in the meeting hall right so we're we're yeah meeting hall dachs and Cisco are just giving it to jedron for lying to them how dare they uh 8,000 people is is yetren's arguments of this how can you eliminate 8,000 people because the minute you guys go back to your timeline we will cease to exist um don't you have any heart kind of an argument. Well, and is it not worth letting Kira die to save? Yes. And Cisco's argument is

you can't play God. You can't decide that Kira can, Kira is the one to die. How can you do that? So a lot of philosophical arguments are going on here. Well, and also Yendron says Yedrin blames Dax. She should have seen the barrier

was unstable. Right. Well, yeah, he blames Dax, him, you and himself. He says you, us. He keeps doing that. Right. But yeah, it's a, it's a tough scene. I love the blocking in this scene. This is a classic Alan Craker with efficient blocking of, you know, like when you got blamed, Terry, he moved you kind of away from everybody but kept you in that shot. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a checkoff play. It was beautiful. I did like his direction very much in this. Yeah.

I have to say. Yep. And I didn't. I stayed in the. the movement of the show. There weren't shots that made me go, what are, what are they doing? Yeah. Where are we going? It just felt smooth in that way. All these shots make sense

terror. That's why we love him so much. He's so, he's, he's such a flowy director as we really admire his work. That's what it is. He's a flowing. He's flowing. He flows. Everything flows so well. Yeah. Well, at the end Cisco says he's not going to let Kira sacrifice her life for 8,000

people or 8 million people. Yeah. No one has the right to ask that. So, um, he's protecting his people. Yeah. That's our Cisco. He's looking out for his people. We cut to the town square and it's evening and Kira feels very guilty in this scene. She says, you know, these children have no idea what's about to happen. If they go back to the space station, if they go back to DS9, these poor children are going to cease to exist. Warf says that's not the only reason that we're going back. But Kira leaves. She can't stay here. She feels,

horrible. So she decides to go back to the defiant. The kids ask Miranda, why is everyone acting so weird? Why are the adults all so quiet? And she says, it's nothing, you know, nothing you need to worry about. What else would you tell kids? My goodness. So when Worf says that, Robbie, what did you believe that the other reason or the other reasons were to go back when he says, that is not the only reason we are going back? And he doesn't elaborate on that. Is it just because also for a Brian? wants to go back to his family. There's a lot of, they've already argued it.

You know, there's future families that don't even exist. Jake, too. Okay, yes. It's the other family relations. Everything. It's not just for Kira, but it's for Cisco's people, his family. We didn't go on this mission to sacrifice our lives for a mistake. Correct.

Yes. Yes. Worf is sitting by a fire in this scene and the, uh, the Klingons come over. They're calling off the feast. And they, they say this is. not, you know, to just disappear from the timeline is not honorable. So they ask Wharf to kill them. And he agrees at the end of the scene. He says, okay, I'll come to you tomorrow and do what you ask. Yeah. Which I thought was, I like the word. Wild. He didn't

say, I'll come you tomorrow and kill you. I'd do what you ask. It was perfect. Yeah. Yeah. We go back to Keira's gravesite. It's sunset. And I just want to emphasize how difficult it is to time production so that you're shooting at this magic hour they call it. Yeah. Because it doesn't last long. It doesn't last long. No. They got really lucky. They planned well. Probably got one take. Yeah, they probably did. And it's beautiful. Yeah, it really is. And it's so sad. How weird to be over your own grave. Yeah. Kira says the prophets have laid out her path. And she says in the scene to Odo that she needs to die here. So she's sort of accepting that version of the story as well for her other self and even for

herself in a way. Yeah, because she thinks the prophets have made this her destiny. Yeah. And on top of that, she just saw them about it not working out. So the children. Yeah, she couldn't handle it. I mean, her, she had that evaluation over her and Shakar. So it's really fresh about them talking about this.

is not the life you were meant to have. And then this happens. So she thinks, it all adds up to. This is, yes. I'm meant to die here. She's making it logical. Yep. That's what she's reading into this.

Yep. We cut inside the mess hall and Kira is talking to O'Brien and Bashir and Cisco. And Wharf. Yeah. She says, well, the scene starts with O'Brien going, why have you lost your mind? And Bashir. saying you're going to die in a few weeks if we don't go back. But Kira says, no, I've accepted it. And O'Brien doesn't like this at all. He's got a wife and kids back home. Kira says, your family

will be fine. The profits will take care of them. And Miles says in the scene, no offense, but I don't believe in your profits. I was so happy he said that. Yeah. He also says something very important. He says, I don't know those people, which does play in a little bit later. Of course. At the end of the scene, though, O'Brien's. says, you know, so are we considering this captain? And Cisco says, no, we are not. And Kira tries to argue, but he dismisses them. And Cisco's mind is made up. They're going back. It's not sacrificing their timeline and their lives for this. Thanks, Starfleet. Yeah. Yeah, we go to the town square next. It's the next day. Warf and Dax

are there. Cisco's there. They're looking around. Gabriel runs by and Cisco grabs him for a second and says, what's up and Gabriel says it's planting day so it must be a big tradition for them and yes Yedron invites them to join and says you know it feels right to see this through knowing it's their last day so we go to this field where back in Malibu probably wherever they shot the other scenes and it's a beautiful montage which we don't normally see in a Star Trek episode no it goes on for a while the planting and the community building and the sense of family and connection. But it's so sad because this is it, you know, then there's stuff. It looks like we planted a lot too.

It wasn't just some like sketchy little patch. It looked very well organized. Yeah. It did. The little bit of trivia here to read is that the planting scenes were filmed at Amundsen Ranch near Ventura, California. But on the day of the shoot, there were Gail force winds and equipment trucks had to be used as wind blocks. It was so cold that the crew were all wearing snow jackets, ski jackets, but the actors had to wear short sleeves and between takes. The actors had to be sprayed down to make it look like they were sweating and they were absolutely freezing.

How do I not remember that? Yeah, how do I remember that? Terrefair. It was the Arctic. The sleep deprivation. Deprivation, yeah. Driving all the way there. Probably.

Probably. I do remember there were a couple of times on the air. the show where when we shot far away, I would stop along the side of the 101 and just close my eyes because I couldn't keep them open. Oh, man. Yeah. Like I remember that vividly, but that because that was scary too to think, okay, I'm on the side of the road, but I just can't, I can't even pull off. I just need to stop right this second. You know, when you're really like doing that whole and you're thinking, oh my God, this is terrible. That only happened to you. you once or multiple times you're saying a couple of times yeah yeah after the first time i would have

told transpoe you need to drive me over there i am not going to fall asleep on the road and die you know yeah you and who else is going to do that yeah well um this scene it was shot at ominson ranch you mentioned garret yes amundson ranch is yes it's right near malibu it's the other side of the venture freeway from lost virginus and it backs up to a place called it's where dan curry lived What was the something Canyon, Box Canyon or anyway, when I was looking at this episode, I thought, I bet Dan Curry went and photographed some of the match shots behind his house because it looked like where he lived. Is it past Calabasas? It's past all of them. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of. It's almost to the one.

Bell Canyon, Bell Canyon. That's where, Robbie, Roxanne lived there too. Yes, Roxanne eventually moved there. But at this point, Dan Curry was living there. Okay. Bell Canyon is where. And it goes right into Amundsen Ranch. And I swear, Dan Curry took some pictures near his house.

I recognized it from Bell Canyon. And now the fact that they shot at Amundsen Ranch makes total sense because it's the same hills. It's the same spot. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Well, they do the planting day.

And we cut into it's evening now. The workers are returning back in the town square. Yedrin and Miranda. thank them and give them the navigational logs to match their timeline. And Dax says, we need to go. Isn't much time. And we cut back on to the Defiant. I'm sorry.

Sorry, Robbie. What happened to that awesome scene with the Klingons? Do we talk about that when they showed up to the planting scene and how they said? But they did show up to and go ahead. Oh, I just loved that line when they were like, I thought you said there was an enemy to vanquished and then Worf is like, yes, time is their enemy. Something like that. He did.

Yeah, it was like a motivational speech. So they went back to get some more clangons to come help. Yeah. Sorry. I thought. Yeah, there's a lot of vignettes in this montage where, you know, O'Brien kind of bonds with Molly and there's some beautiful moments. Yeah.

It's really nice. Right. But yeah, they've got their navigational logs. They're heading back to get back to their timeline. We cut to the defiant and Odo is telling Kira, she can't do this, you know. And Kira says, please don't make it any harder. Odo says you have to go home. You have to.

But Kira says, there's 8,000 people down on that planet. This is when Odo says, Norese, tell me one thing. If you'd known how I felt about you, if I'd said something years ago, do you think things might have been different? and she says maybe and that's when the kiss happens I but it's a it's a wonderfully tonally the kiss is perfect it's awkward

yeah it feels like it needs to happen but it's it's she it's too much for her to wrap her brain around right now it's just too much she's gonna die in two weeks we don't know if we're gonna get home oh totally she feels guilty about everything

and now she has to deal with all of this big emotional stuff from Odo. Right. It's a lot. It is. Well, we cut to the bridge. Miles has created a probe to leave messages for the families. He's downloaded recordings into a class for a probe.

Okay. So wait a minute. They've decided to go to do the thing, right, Robbie? Yes. Is this insurance because if something happens to us, now the probe has gone out and will eventually make it to Deep Space 9 to tell them what's happened? Yes. Yes.

Okay. Yes. So this is like impending doom. But they've agreed to go to go back in time and not go back to the station. Am I right? This is their decision. This is my missing scene because I got confused. I'm like, we haven't spelled out what exactly is happening.

So it was. From what I understood from the planting season, O'Brien starts to bond with these people and realizes, no, we can't kill these 8,000. And everyone agrees and goes, is on the same page. Is that what you also saw, Robbins? Yeah, I think that's why that montage was kind of changing their minds to, you know, they're bonding. But I think I needed a scene then after that to clarify. Just to clarify that.

Because one Cisco said, no, we're going home. You thought for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So what we planted with everybody, yes. But does that change how much you love your son? Does that change how much you want to go back to your actual life? Yeah, they skipped over that.

But clearly, that's the decision that is. made. It didn't feel clear to me. It felt confusing to me. Okay. At the end of the montage, and we did skip over this a bit, we glossed over it. Okay. Miles O'Brien bonds with Molly, and he goes over to Cisco at the very end of that planting

montage and says, Cisco says there's something wrong. O'Brien says, we can't do it. Cisco says what? And O'Brien says, we can't let these people die. Yes, I remember that. Yeah. So when he says that. But that didn't mean we had a meeting to change.

all of what our plan is. It's just assumed. It's just assumed then. Well, I didn't assume it. I know you didn't assume it. And also in the town square scene, Yedron and Miranda says, here's the, here's the navigational logs to match our timeline. So now they're back to Yedron's plan.

Okay. Yeah. So it's not clearly. So all of this felt confusing to me. I get it. And it can be confusing for sure. So there's a couple of little things, but it wasn't, you know,

it wasn't spelled out. Yeah, there's, it feels like there should have been a meeting where everybody said, yes, are we all in agreement? We're going to try this and we're going to try to save these people and everybody, everybody kind of buys into it. That would have been a great scene. Yeah. Well, they start heading for the anomaly and it's on autopilot. So the plan that Yedrin gave them, the coordinates is all put into autopilot. Suddenly they're veering away from the anomaly and they can't override the autopilot. Dax can't do it and something's changed in the flight plan. O'Brien's confused.

Cisco's confused. They clear the barrier. They clear the barrier. They scan the surface and there's no sign of the inhabitants, no settlements. Everything's gone. I like Cisco's last line with me. I say everyone we met, they never existed. And Cisco says, they existed.

As long as we remember them, they always will. Such an important point to make when you lose people too. Yeah. We go to Kira's cabin. She's lying in her bunk bed when the doorbell rings. And Odo comes clean here and says there's something you should know. The other Odo, the one from the planet, came to Sick Bay before he left the ship. So this is our real Odo, back to makeup, back to the real Odo.

I love this. And he says, soap opera Odo came to me and told me everything. They linked. They linked. I know everything that's happened. He knows about the admission of love and the relationship, conversation. conversations. He also told him that he was responsible

for changing the defiance flight plan and that he did it for you, Norese. He did it because he loved you. And Norese flips out. Yeah. She's not happy about that. Nope. But I just love the dialogue. It's overwhelming. Yeah. That makes it right. And he's like, I don't know. He

thought so. Yoga Oda. Odo thought so. I'll see you in the morning. We're surfing, surfing, Odo. He just so Zen master. But maybe it's easier for Odo to say and do because he will still exist in our Odo. Right. Yeah, because they've linked.

Yeah. Yes. So it's not like he disappears from all of this. He survived back in time. Yeah. I also like in this episode that they bookend the episode with a scene in the mess all talking about Kira's, you know, where Odo hears the news that she's broken up with what's his name? Chakar. Chakar.

She broke up with it. So we start with a bit of a Kira Odo love story and end in a very different place here with a Kiraoto love story. But it is bookended. It is still bookended. There's a big bow on it for sure.

Oh, yes. Can't wait to unwrap that package. Last bit of trivia. Last bit of trivia before we get out of this one is originally it was supposed to be Yedrin who caused the destruction of the colony. But Iris even Bear felt this was a missed opportunity, that it didn't create any kind of conflict between any of the characters. And as such,

he suggested that it be Odo instead. Some of the writers felt that this was too dark a thing for a regular to do, especially the morally rigid Odo. But Bear argued that the sense of unexpected darkness was exactly the point. Bear was always keen to take any opportunity to darken the show and the characters in un-Star Trek-like ways. nice well it also feels superhuman doesn't it not superhuman

but it feels very human yeah his choice that he had the latitude of being a changeling makes it even more interesting yeah you know I guess we are at the end yes

yes we did it yes what is the moral theme lesson of this show Robbie I wrote down love makes you do crazy things Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

Oh, my gosh. Yes, it does. Fair, fair. Be brave and share your feelings. Otherwise, you'll never know what could be in store for you. Hmm. I like that one. Also, how great. You want to, if it doesn't work out how your fantasy is about this story,

your story, then you can move on. How about that? You could move on if it isn't a relationship. Yeah. If it doesn't turn into one, yeah. My lesson is when everyone on the bridge crew is tired, no more surveying new planets. Just go home. I love yours.

Thanks. I love yours. I think they should, Avery should have gone, Dax. Dax. Okay. Never mind, dear. Never mind. Never mind.

All right. Oh, our Patreon poll winner for the theme moral of this episode is submitted. by Lori Ulster. Every choice along the way affects our future path. Wow. Oh, there's an honorable mention, Gawa. Yes, there is. And that honorable mention is submitted by Amy.

And that would be love, like survival, is a powerful motivator. Both can drive us to make extreme choices, which may be out of character for us in normal circumstances, which is pretty much Robbie's theme. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Makes you do crazy things. So what do you say whenever, in plain and simple English,

Robbies is the layman's terms. And then Amy gave us the college version of that. Same thing. Love will do it to you. All right. We did it, everybody. We got to the end of this episode. Thank you for joining us for a recap and discussion

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