The Delta Flyers - Concerning Flight

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Concerning Flight. Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Concerning Flight:Voyager encounters a space pirate who uses a transporter to steal machinery from passing ships; Janeway works with the Leonardo da Vinci hologram to get Voyager's things back.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise and Rebecca McNeill, & our Post Producer Jessey MillerAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co- Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Becca Stillo, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Mike Devlin, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Lucas Shuck, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Lisa Robinson, Joshua McHenry, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, John Mann, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Melissa Lau, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, & Paul YoungAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hedrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Eve England, Ann Harding, Laura Swanson, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, Kelley Smelser, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Mary O'Neal, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, James Cottrell, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Louise Storer, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Mike Chow, Kevin Hooker, Michelle Maroney, Scott J. Mark, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Megan Chowning, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Joseph Lanning, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, & David J ManskeThank you for your support!Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers of Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts along this journey are myself, Garrett Wong, and my co-host, Mr. Robert Duncan McNeil, aka Bob Ross. Bob Ross, ladies and gentlemen. Bob Ross in the house. For those that are listening audio only, Garrett and I are in our Halloween costumes. Yes, we are. We are. Yep. We, let's see, Garrett is a space shark today. He looks like a space shark.

If you get my background is space, I didn't put water back there. I just saw a shark in space. And I want to say that it's not easy. Like, you cannot use your fins to do anything. No, it's hard to text with fins. Yes. So I'm going to remove. I'm going to use one hand here so I can be able to move around.

One fin, one hand. One fan, one hand. That's what happens in space. Yes, I'm 95% shark and 5% human is what I am. Okay. And you, you've, did Bob Ross have his shirt open that much? Bob Ross did. He had a very hairy chest and liked to show it off.

Oh. Sometimes with jewelry. So today I'm sporting a little. jewelry. A pendant? What is what's on that pendant? I don't know. I have no idea.

Okay. I don't know. I will say this, though, Robbie. Yes. You had more chest hair on Voyager than you do now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bob Ross beard going. You do.

You really do. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good about the Bob Ross today. I've got a painting behind me. He does. He's got a wonderful landscape painting. Happy clouds. We've got some. Happy,

And happy clouds? Happy trees, happy clouds, happy sunset. Yes. I love it. Oh, my gosh.

I am, I am broadcasting this week from beautiful Silverdale, Silverdale, Washington, where my sister-in-law and brother-in-law, Jesse and Jeff, just had a baby. And so we came down from Vancouver,

and we're visiting with family and celebrating, Canadian Thanksgiving. Yes, Jess, one of our editors, our original primary editor is with a newborn child. So Robbie and Rebecca are visiting them and celebrating Thanksgiving. How long was that drive from Vancouver down to Silverdale? It's not bad. It's like three hours. Oh, that's quick. It's like LA to Vegas then. Yeah, pretty much, right? Yeah. Good job. Yeah. And you brought everything with you, right? You brought your green screen. I brought everything except light. Oh, well, I don't usually use ring lights because of my glasses, they reflect oddly. So I have sort of a ringlight. I'm using yes.

Yes. Okay. So we've got a little ringlight action going on today. But I think it fits with Bob Ross. I think it's fine. Did you bring, did you bring the, the, uh, the camper down? No. No, no. Okay. You just drove the Tesla then. Just the Delta Flyer, right? I didn't drive the, you didn't drive the Delta Flyer. No, I've got, we've got a, we've got a two vehicles in our family. We have a Tesla Model 3, which I love the electric car, but that is taking a break. Well, our hybrid Ford Explorer is the vehicle of choice. We drove down in that because we got to fit Walter and lots of baby presents and things like that. And your podcasting equipment.

And podcasting equipment. Exactly. And my Bob Ross costume. And you know, you need room for the Bob Ross costume. Exactly. go. Well, yeah, so for all of you that are listening, Robbie has this crazy wig on, which is, it's kind of carrot-toppy almost, but it is the general shape of Bob Ross's hair. That's for sure. He's got this shirt opened up. He just looks like a movie 70s.

A little paint on me. Oh, you did that, you did that to have a little atmosphere. You flex a little paint on there. I like that. You know, artists are messy sometimes. They are. They are. And you look good. So happy Halloween to everybody. Let's just say that right now.

Happy Halloween, for sure. Okay, doke. So this week, we are reviewing the episode concerning flight. Yes. Which happened right after random thoughts, which has random and flight in two episodes, which is the Tom Paris fan club. Exactly. The Tom Paris International Fan Club.

Right. And now these are the two favorite episodes of the Tom Paris International Fan Club. Yes. It's a certain flight. All right. Let's go watch this episode in our silly Halloween costumes and come back and review this. All right. Can't wait.

All right. See you in a minute. Thanks, everyone. Hey, everyone. Bob Ross and Space Shark are back. All right. Yes, we are. are we love this we should dress up every every podcast we should put on a costume every podcast every

time that's hilarious that would be pretty funny I almost look like a flower the way this like if I see if I'm high up if you don't see the snout or the you know of this of the shark I look like a flower so now I got to kind of hunch over to look more like a like a shark um you look you always look like a shark to me oh thank you I appreciate that I really you know and I'm I was going to say the same thing about you with Bob Ross but you don't you don't look like Bob Ross to me although this kind of works I mean that look yeah it's my beard my real life beards so if I just had the weird 70s glasses on yes that he wore I have to I have to say I did look at your Instagram post and yeah I really like the wig on Rebecca yeah it's just

orphan Annie she's ready to do it. do the whole Broadway. She's ready to go on Broadway, starts singing. The sun will come out. I can just hear her singing out right now. All right. So on a scale from 1 to 10, what are you going to give this episode? I got to be honest, because that's what we do. We're honest here. We're not going to pull punches. But we're honest. This was not my favorite episode. And I went into this, even though I didn't remember much. I went into this with high expectations because of John Reese Davies.

Yes. Because it was a Da Vinci episode. Yeah. I went into it with high expectations and I really didn't, I didn't like it very much. I got to be honest. I would give this like a four out of ten. Yeah. I'm going to say the exact same thing.

I mean, it's a great episode for John Reese Davies. He gets to do a lot in it, right? I mean, he gets to really have a bunch of screen time. So there is some positives there. A nice scene between Tuvok and John Reese Davies as well in the marketplace. Very funny. The small talk. Yeah, the small talk scene was wonderful.

That was good. And we'll get to that. But overall, I was very disappointed. I really was. It just didn't hold my attention. It wasn't dynamic in terms of its plot points and like action or any of that stuff. It wasn't. Sometimes I feel like Star Trek often.

at its best, it comes up with a real human experience and puts that experience into a sci-fi story that really pulls apart this idea of that human experience and explores it in a way that you can connect with as an audience. This one didn't. I even had trouble coming up with a theme at the end of it. I was like, what is there? I struggled with this episode. But there's a lot of cool stuff about it. Well, as we talk through it. Yeah.

Piece by piece, there's some cool things, but as a whole, didn't hold together for me. We are almost, well, not almost, well, close.

I mean, in the middle of season four, we will be at the halfway point of all the Voyager episodes. And of all the episodes we've watched and reviewed so far, this is the only episode I've actually fallen asleep.

Wow. While watching. And I'm shocked and ashamed to admit that, but I did. I did fall asleep. It happens. You know, a lot of people use Star Trek as a sleeping pill at night. They turn it on late at night and it puts them out. So it does have a reputation for that. It does. But now I know if I have insomnia, I am turning on concerning flight to help me go to sleep. This is the one that's going to put me out entirely. Okay. So let's start off, as usual, with our poetry synopsis. Yes. I'm going to begin with my haiku.

Thank you. Here we go. Concerning flight. Concerning flight. My high cue. My haiku for concerning flight. I feel so weird saying this, wearing a sharp costume. Okay, here we go.

Our tech is stolen. Janeway goes undercover. Da Vinci to France. Ooh. Ooh. Okay. All right. I like it.

All right. Here's our limerick for the episode concerning flying. Janeway and Da Vinci can't fly. His brain really can't figure out why. Then Voyagers mugged, the hollow emitter, unplugged, but it's science, not magic, that will rectify. Oh, nice. Yeah.

That limerick's better than this episode. Okay. Written by Joe Mnowski, story, co-credit between Jimmy Diggs and Joe Mnorski. Jimmy Diggs called me the other day. I didn't pick up. I saw that he had called. So I need to call him back. And at some point, I have an interviewer to.

Let's get him on the show. We need to talk to him for sure. Directed by, yes, directed by one of our more favored directors, Jesus Trevino, which is, we enjoy Jesus' work. And we start the whole episode in DaVinci's workshop. And Janeway in DaVinci have basically entered into the workshop. and they're soaking wet because they tried to, you know, test out the new flying machine. And evidently, it failed and they, they plunged into a river.

Is that what we're, is that? Yes, it looks. Yeah, Janeway's air was sort of, well, they said they jumped off the Florence Bridge. Right. But must have been into a river. Into a river. But then, you know, Janeway's soaking wet, but Da Vinci really isn't soaking wet. He's kind of, she's drying herself off the entire scene.

yes even as she exit she takes another couple of you know pats of her face yeah i'm wondering why they didn't wet down his hair maybe because it's a wig and they were afraid that it would uh i think he was wetted down a bit but he was just he was ignoring the fact that he was wet he was wet and it didn't read as much on him we definitely are used to seeing jane way with her you know fancy hairdos all the different hairdos we've seen and this is kind of uh it looked like a kid's bowl cut to me it was just sort of stringy and wet and I don't know it was it looked like yeah some school that is descriptive a kid's bowl cut oh my goodness okay all right yeah failed flight the florence citizens are heckling you hear them outside I actually had to go back and re-listen because I didn't know

what was happening in the beginning he's yelling he was yelling and yelling at a crowd off screen which I wish we could have seen some crowd or something because it was just confusing. And I didn't know what they were yelling about. I had to go back and listen. And the loop group. If you listen, the loop group is looping in a few Italian words and then English.

So it starts off Italian, you know, animal, right? So they say that and some other things. But then slowly more English is being used. I didn't understand why it failed. I just didn't. I was confused in this first scene. I got to be honest. And I was confused.

she was in her Starfleet uniform, because usually when you go into a holodeck program, you take on the clothing of the holodeck you're participating in. If we go into the Grendels, you know, the Viking holodeck. We were in Viking wearer. If we go into Captain Proton, wearing Caton proton, she goes, Janeway in the past has been into her romance novel in a, you know, you know, 18th century dress or 19th century dress. this time she was in her Starfleet uniform and I was like why it just doesn't it was confusing to me is she you know playing in this program or she's done that before though in this particular

program where she hasn't been in in Italian Renaissance clothing yeah I know I guess this time it just jumped it bumped me for some okay I justified it as she was about to report to the bridge and she said you know what I'm going to go in and get a quick little holiday session in and I'm I'm not going to change into that, you know, a different type of wardrobe and because I have to get, I have to be on the bridge really soon after this. So that's all I thought. Yeah, it was, it was a weird scene to me. This episode got off on a weird foot to me because you know, like he's frustrated with Italy. He says, I'm going to go to France where I'm appreciated. And he reaches out at one point to tear up the plans of his flying machine. And you see Janeway kind of

go like she jumps and like catches her breath and I just thought that's a really big reaction from Janeway who knows that this is a program that she can just rewind and to play again do you know what I mean like yeah there's no real stakes here and yes I don't know and then she found it confusing did you notice when she reacted then she does her best coach Tarkhanian impersonation do you remember coach Jerry Tarkhanian who used to coach the running rebels, he would always have his towel on his face where he was like chewing on his towel practically.

And so she does that weird thing where she brings the towel up to her face. And I just thought, oh, wow, why is she overreacting like that? That's such a huge reaction. It seemed like an overreaction to me from a captain who is playing a game at this point.

Like knowing that it's a game. There, we, you know, nothing about the holodeck is unusual at this point. It's just, you know, it's a game. I guess, having said that, now I'll contradict myself, you know, Rebecca's got this, what's it called, the Oculus, the 3, you know, the 3D Oculus thing. And I've done that a few times. And I know when I finish an Oculus, like supernatural session or something, where you're getting into it physically, it feels real. It does. No. I'm tired because I've been jumping

around and moving around trying to hit, hit knock down the things. So I do get why if she's in this holodeck. It's very realistic. And she would be, you know, she would be playing along with the game as if it were real, I guess. But I don't know. Something about this one just felt like we don't have any stakes yet. I barely even know what they're talking about. Right. I'm on a flying machine. He's going to France. Who cares? It's just part of the game. Yeah. And she gives him this, yeah, this pep talk. Don't give up. I just don't know why. Why? I didn't know where, what, what she's trying to play this game at this point and why but it seems it seemed confusing to me this opening scene and then she gets a call from the bridge unknown ships approaching we're under

attack right we're under attack exactly yeah unknown attackers um harry says at one point when she's on the bridge he says a slight destabilization along the shield perimeter and we cut out to space and we see instead of the like photon torpedoes that they're showing shooting at us. All of a sudden, we see this giant, like, scanner along the top of our ship after Harry says that. And we cut to engineering where we see Balana standing by the Warcourt and a panel disappears right next to her, which we've never done anything like that. And I was surprised that you could make it a panel disappear because I felt like our set was all built pretty solid. It would be hard to have a panel in and out.

So that was just something I don't remember ever seeing that, you know, part of our ship is literally getting. Yeah, the panel that disappeared, though, was that control panel that sits on the railing. Yeah, I guess so. Maybe it wasn't part of the wall. You can just pull that thing off, probably, right? Yeah, yeah, maybe that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, but different things are being stolen or being being, they're disappearing.

Cargo Bay is got stuff, right? Medical instruments disappear. We go to sick bay. We see the doctor there in the big biobed, the search. bed in the in sick bay disappears um i love we go back to the bridge and um janeway is caught up and all the stuff is disappearing so she says tuvac fire at will and he says i have the will captain but not the means very clever i you know i almost felt like they should have went the comical route they should have beamed both chukotay and janeway's chairs off the bridge so they just fall you know and

they go that would have been funny that would have been something i would have liked that there was some funny stuff in this episode there was definitely some funny moments for sure um harry says the main computer processor is gone captain that's huge weapons we've lost navigation yeah we've lost propulsion they're all down yeah and paris has a line i feel like we were just mugged right I love it's like he just cuts right to the no techno babble for him it's we were just mugged how 20th century of you to say that exactly I mean that's not a term that we hear very often in the Star Trek world right no mugged which is kind of bizarre yeah we jumped to the briefing room and now we're just talking about how are we getting our how how will we get our stuff back

you know we've been we've been mugged these aliens are basically thieves and they've stolen everything, we're not everything, but a lot of things. And of course, the doctor chimes in, well, the most important thing that that's missing is my mobile emitter. And, you know, so now, uh, clearly, something's going to happen with that mobile emitter. We don't know. Did you notice in the wide shot that we were all sort of crammed over towards the window side of the table? No, I didn't notice. There was a number of places in this episode. One of my favorites, actually we'll get to later, where the staging, I thought, was forced so much.

Like, this was one, and we've talked about that before where, you know, because of the lens and they want to get everybody in the shot, we sit or stand in places that we wouldn't normally in the real world, ever sit or stand like that. But that was one in the briefing room. We were also, you know, close together and at one end of the table where there was probably a whole end of the table that was not being used. I don't know why we would ever sit like that, but we did for the shot. And we do hear that a month's supply of emergency rations are gone.

And Tom Parris, again, has a little quip. He says, well, no loss there. And Kate's look when I said that, I loved her look. She was like, you know, all business. And then she looked over and she's like, what? Give me a look. I thought it was very funny. Nice.

I did also, like in that scene, when Janeway says to Harry, track those ships, basically, you know, do whatever it takes to track those ships that stole our stuff. And Harry says, yes, ma'am. I know. You said a yes ma'am in there. I did. I did. If I had a time machine, I would go back in time to when we were filming that scene and I would say it the way Tom says it. I'd say, yes, ma'am. I would do a little lilt at the end. Yes, ma'am. Yeah. We do, by the way, have Yes, ma'am t-shirts. Just a little plug for the store. Yes, we do. We have yes, ma'am t-shirts that just came in. We got them. Hot off the presses.

A lot of people were asking about that for Tom's signature catchphrase. Yeah. Yes, man. It's there. And now Harry says it in the briefing room. He does. He does. We got astrometrics after this. I love as soon as Harry walks in. Seven's like, Ensign, there will be no. No fraternizing. I don't have time. Oh, my gosh.

This is such a weird scene for me. I mean, the blocking was weird. Everything was weird for me. Well, let's talk about it. Let me hear you talk about it first. And I'll chime. All right. So Harry comes in and she immediately says no fraternizing, which I thought was, it made me laugh out

loud. He hopes to enlist her help. He wants to extend the sensors to track the ships like the captain told him. And she says, I'm already working on that. I've been working on that for two hours. Yeah. So she's like snapping at you.

She's pretty. And then you walk over to see what she's doing. Yeah. And Harry ends up standing two inches from her face. Now, we have had some close standing on our show, some awkward close standing. But I wrote down, this sets a new record for close standing on Voyager. I've never seen such close standing. Oh, it was so close.

And I didn't find the light. I didn't find the light. I stayed in her shadow. Oh, yeah, you got a little blocked there. Yeah, I got blocked. And that's one of the things as an actor that you need to do is you need to find the light, right? You need to make sure you're lit. And I was in the shadow the entire time.

And it was so close, awkwardly close. It was all pretty close. And you hung out there a little while. Yeah. And then, you know, so we go to work and then she comes over and kind of bumps me out of the way. And I do remember filming the scene, actually. I remember I do. I remember that we actually had a good laugh.

There was a, there was one time when she came over and she ended up stepping on my foot or something like that. I was like, ah, you know, so we had some bloopers in filming the scene because it was in such close proximity to each other. It was. Yeah. So we had some issues there. And for me, it was just awkward.

I just felt really awkward watching that scene. Yeah. So. Well, it was, it was a weird scene because it, it didn't relate directly to the plot of this episode or net. I mean, you were going in there to work on the sensors, the long-range sensors,

which did relate, I guess, but you didn't really stay on point with that. You just, you sort of, it started becoming about something else, about how seven is getting, you know,

is being rude to people and you try to give her some advice and she's cold about that. Yeah. I don't know. It sort of became this like B or C story. feeling that never really paid off like seven has another conversation in sick bay about getting in a bickering kind of fight with balana right later on seems kind of tracking this story that you're that you're doing the scene about yeah but i think that's about it like i don't think we ever

revisit that issue so it just felt like sort of tagged on there this whole storyline and the scene and and the scene with the doctor it just felt sort of tagged and didn't seem to relate to the to the plot i agree so now let's move to the bridge um on the bridge we finally tracked these stolen items to a planet and actually a city and the main item that we need is the main computer processor that's the most important not the mobile emitter and the most important is the main computer processor yep and um so jane way decides to go down on an away mission undercover with Tuvok and she shows up in the city square and lo behold before she gets there by the way so on the bridge she says Tuvac here with me we're going to go to the northern continent Tom and

Nelix you're going to head to the southern continent right and see what you can find there and then we go to this establishing shot of the city for the first time oh yes yes I was looking at it going that's like Malibu Canyon or something I said that's it looks like Topanga or Malibu or something. I made the same note. This city sort of sitting on top of the mountains. I'm like, yeah. It makes no sense to build a city there

because it's hard to get all the way up there to the town. Yes. Like you should build it. And then I could see just beyond where they put the city in the Malibu Hills, the visual effects city, you could see the San Fernando Valley. You could see like Mount Washington.

You could see things. And I'm thinking, why wouldn't they just put the city over in that big valley that I know is there. Like, you'd never build a city on this hilltop. But anyway, it was a weird place to put a city. I made the same notes. I said, that looks like the Los Angeles area. And I said, not only does it look like that, they've also included the L.A.

smog somehow. I think the smog of L.A. is also part of that establishing shot, which was kind of funny. Yeah, it's like the city, the feeling of the city didn't fit. with the background exactly. It's something about it. And it was a weird place to put a city on the top of this hill. That's right. All right. So now we're in the city square. And Janeway is there with Tuvok undercover. And they're looking around. And all of a sudden we hear a very familiar voice. And it's Da Vinci. And we're wondering what? How? And not only do we hear a familiar voice that we've seen before but we're standing again in a town square in the same set yeah you've seen before another

I'm like oh boy we have used this set a lot that's true it's like we literally just threw some paint put some rivets on it like some rivets to look like uh I guess a different finish or something but it was the same set and we've talked about this before this at this point in our series we keep sort of recycling the same set and it feels like it and I was thinking about it you know we recycled the same cave sets a lot we did but the thing about caves is they're so sort of because it's a natural environment not a manmade environment um you sort of buy the familiarity of rocks or you know if we painted them with snow or ice or white or black or brown right but when you build a manmade environment like a town square it's you know the architecture of that space you

start to see over and over multiple episodes it just it you can see that we're reusing it agreed anyway another another visit to the same count square set and I love when da Vinci shows up we do see now the mobile emitter now on da Vinci and I just right in the middle of his chest right about where my Bob Ross your pendant is yes there you go there you go I think da Vinci should have had a Bob Ross gold pendant as well and I love his line welcome to America like he thinks this is the new world which is lovely so see this that to me was funny I laughed at that I thought that was great da Vinci has the mobile emitter welcome to America he says it was funny he talks about Tuvok's ears it's like

where are you from interesting and uh and Tuvok just lets him touch his face it's just too just sits there like Tuvok's like a puppy dog he's like okay I'm gonna touch this face and move it around. I thought that was a little odd too. I was like, what's happening here? But then again, Tuvok's Tuvok doesn't have a lot of motion, right? So he's not going to be that upset about it, I suppose. I also thought that Tuvok's outfit looked really good. Like, that was a good look for him. It was sort of a quilted, you know, shoulders and breastplate area. I don't know. It was just, it was a good, like, tailored look for Tim Russ. He looked really good. Yeah, I think that was a nice Vulcan wardrobe choice for him. We have a little time

passage, a passage in time. They're still in the city square. And Da Vinci finally convinces them that he's got to bring them to his new workshop. The workshop that exists because of his patron, the prince, the character known as Tao. And Tao was played by guest star. Tau played by John Vargas, our lead guest star, who was also in Star. Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Khan, the feature film. Really? Yes. Wow.

So that's his Star Trek pedigree. He's already done Trek. And that trek was done way before Voyager. So Vargas' his resume is long, long, long, long resume. He's done quite a few things. And then the other guest star was Don Pugsley. Don Pugsley played the alien traitor that was in the briefing room with Chocote. He had, you know, somehow come across our phaser rifle and a tricorder.

And a uniform, by the way. He was wearing a command uniform. And Pugsley also, you know, extensive resume, no other Star Trek credits, but he did work on Dark Skies, which is the sci-fi series that Jerry Ryan was on before she came on to Voyager. So there's that connection. Interesting. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer? Oh my gosh, so much already.

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That's mintmobile.com slash TDF. Upfront payment of $45 required, equivalent to $15 a month. Limited time new customer offer for first three months only. speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan taxes and fees extra see mint mobile for details yeah so da Vinci brings them back to his new lab yeah which has the classic glass ball with the lightning electricity going on you know the classic sci-fi prop yeah which is what they use in the Borg regeneration it's the Borgregeneration it's in Captain Proton's lab you know ship it's all over the place um i was thinking if da vinci came into this lab and was like oh my gosh

i've got such a great new lab now he doesn't even know what electricity is like he doesn't even like you know he's a quick he's a quick learning like he's a mind blown if he got into this lab with some of the thing like how would he be able to it it He doesn't know what electricity is, okay? Okay. Much less, you know, computer engineering and electrical engineering and circuits and wiring and how did he do this in like four hours? Yeah, I think what you're getting at is that Da Vinci should have been in a state of shock the entire episode because he's been exposed to all these new advanced technologies, which he doesn't know anything about, right? But we're just going to assume, and he's a genius.

Yes. He does shoot a phaser, but he calls it electricity. It, you know, he doesn't say it's a phaser. He doesn't say it's, yeah, he says lightning. It shoots lightning. It concentrates lightning. So it's definitely above his pay grade that entire lap. But it's a cool looking lab, though.

I mean, I thought, well, that's a nice workshop. I'm getting my Bob Ross hair in my eyes. I just have to clear out my bomb Ross. it's not easy being Bob Ross I've been adjusting my my shark costume as well this into my teeth exactly which look like flower petal thingies but okay what are you doing I'm trying to make sure my pendant is really my neck well you know whatever you just don't block your chest here I I don't want you to block any of that yeah chest here which there you go or the pendant does that do you where did you guys find that pendant this was jesse's this is Rebecca's

Rebecca, we're at Rebecca's sisters. Yeah. I didn't have the pendant. And so I asked Jesse and she went in like her jewelry. So that's why I don't even know what it is. It's a Jesse pendant. It's a Jesse pendant. Maybe it's an award.

Is it a metal? No. It looks like a metal. I don't know. Okay. It's perfect. I wanted some 70s glasses, but I didn't have those. I think you should go back to work on Resident Alien in this get up like this.

I might. I could reuse this. I don't really think you should. Do you have any more comments about the workshop? Well, the briefing room, you know, not, no, not in the, not in the workshop, but we're moving on. Yeah, moving on. When we go to the briefing room, we have a very rare example of a bald alien, an alien with male pattern baldness, because he did have hair going around, you know, like a classic human. male pattern baldness

look like the doctor he looked like the dog he was an alien doctor right yes yeah which I just love when we have male pattern baldness on aliens right yeah it's awesome he does explain who stole it he talks about this man tau

which is the prince the benefactor of da Vinci now anyway he says that Tao controls the seventh province in the northern continent and Chacote says you can keep whatever you've got. We just have to find this computer.

We're looking for this, you know, this one thing. And he stops him on the way out and says that that uniform looks really good. And the color looks really good in it or something like that, which I didn't even catch that it was a Starfleet uniform until he said that. And I was like, are you kidding? You didn't notice that? Oh, my goodness. Well, because he had on like another kind of weapons belt that he's.

stolen over over him so yeah that's true that's true you know during this episode do we even get a name of a species no we even hear what these people are anybody no i don't think so either i don't think so either um when we cut away from um the briefing room we go back down to the planet and finally see tau this uh this weapons dealer well before we see tau we're in the city square and jane Way and Tuvok are talking, right? Janeway has, Janeway tells Tuvok, I need to find Tao. And that's when Da Vinci shows up. And Jamie says, stall him, make small talk, talk to him, do anything.

And that's when we have that lovely comedic scene of Tuvok, Tuvok of Scandinavia. Yes. A small talk. Yes, Da Vinci says, where are you from? Tuvon says, Scandinavia. Yes. A very funny scene. All the small tag was good.

I did not like when da Vinci says something about Vulcan and Tuvac goes, wait, what? And he says, he says, Da Vinci says, yes, it's a small island off the coast of Italy. Oh. Which may be true, but it just seemed like that was way too convenient that Da Vinci happens to talk about this island that's the same name as what Tuvac is. Yeah. It just seemed, it felt like a little. The rest of the scene I love, but when it got to the Vulcan, you know, the island of Vulcan, I was like, I don't know if we should have gone that far.

He should have said Vulcan, a small farming town in future nation, Canada, is what he should have said. No, he did the Italian one. Okay. All right. So that pulled you out. I don't even remember him saying that. I think that's when I fell asleep during that conversation.

It might have been. Okay. So they have their small talk. And then Janeway is talking with Tao, this weapons deal. And she tells Tao that she has a friend or a client or something that runs a colony about 20 parsecs away, she says. And they need a computer. And so she's fishing.

Basically, Janeway is fishing for information with this guy, Tao. And he says, well, I may have something. And he brings her over and shows her this computer interface. And we hear the voice, Major Barrett's voice for the first time. And it is Voyager's computer. We know it's a Starfleet computer voice. And by the way, Janeway says something when the computer starts talking in Major Barrett's voice. Janeway goes, ah, verbal intervace, impressive.

Yeah. I'm like, hey Google, Siri, you know, Alexa. it's it's amazing what what you know seemed unimpossible in the 90s you know oh a verbal community you know a verbal interface with our computers right that seems like sci-fi stuff now everybody's got it in everyone's got it some version yeah agreed now see this is where I get a little foggy because I'm thinking well there it is the computer's right there just beam that away beam that up But evidently, the computer was elsewhere in a storage facility? It was, yes, it was in a storage facility.

So he was saying there was a verbal, maybe that's why she was going impressive that he was interfacing remotely and the computer was somewhere else. Maybe that's what it was. Maybe that's why she was saying impressive because she thought she had it. Okay. So that maybe helped clarify something for me because I was with you. I started getting confused. Yeah.

Why they can't beam it out. why they have to go somewhere else, why there's so much trouble to beam, I guess, because of the shielding, they couldn't beam out Janeway and Da Vinci until they, you know,

end up taking a hike and doing all kinds of things. It just sort of lost me in the logic of what was going on in here. Agreed. I almost wish, like I said, it was lacking some action, and I wish there had been more either chasing or hiding or gunfights

or something with some action jep or, that would have made more sense to me than explaining it with, you know, their shields or something. Yeah, yeah. Tuvok suggests at this point, he says, you know, we need to go back, we take DaVinci back and let's analyze his, you know, his journals and his mobile emitter and all this and figure out what what DaVinci might know about this planet and where things are. And Janeway says, no, I want to keep DaVinci here. I'm going to use his mind.

You know, she's talking about what a, what a genius he is. Yeah. And Tuvac's like, well, I think we should just bring him back. She goes, no, you go back and analyze all this stuff. I'm going to stay here and work with DaVinci. Yes. And a quick side note, this is now back in DaVinci's new workshop. We're no longer in the town square any longer. Yeah.

Yeah, we're back in the workshop. And so Tuvok beams out. And I also thought it was funny when, Da Vinci is talking, and in the middle of talking, Tuvok reaches over and pushes his mobile emitter like a pause button on a remote control, and Da Vinci just sort of freezes, and Tuvok then talks to Janeway about, you know, well, let's go back, and he's frozen the whole time. That was just a simple split screen. You could see that, you know, Janeway and Tuvok were on one side of the screen. They froze the other half of the screen, freeze frame the

other half, so he looked frozen. Then they went into some coverage and, you know, close-up, of Janeway and Tuvac. And then when they came back out, you saw Tuvok transport back to the ship. But I did see John Reese Davies in that moment sort of... He moved.

Okay. But in the first split-screen image shot where he is totally frozen and it's not John Reese Davis frozen, but his image is frozen. In the background against the wall, there was a bit of a kind of an artifact there. It was just kind of if you saw that light moving or something yes it was light moving so what was that i wonder if it was a boom

shadow this is a classic problem in filmmaking and maybe you guys have seen it but you know there's a sound man holds a long pole with a microphone on it and moves it around where the actors go but a lot of times it'll go into the light kind of like my hand is doing yeah yeah and you'll see a bit of a shadow or something wow you know what it is i bet you that's what was going to that's probably what it was then well i bet it was well thank you for clearing that up for me Maybe. I'm guessing I didn't see it, but I bet that sounds like something like a boom shadow. Okay. Yeah. And then we go back to Sick Bay and the doctor's examining seven, giving her a checkup,

and he's sort of reprimanding her. She should have been in her earlier, you know. And my first thought was he's talking about all of her optical sensors and things. And I thought, why is a medical doctor examining optical sensor? this should be this should be this should be balana doing it should be no but they should be doing it together yeah it's just you're right yeah it was very confusing to me and and normally i didn't get confused with the doctor working on seven or you know giving her medical treatments but it for the first time it occurred to me like we should probably always when seven's in for those treatments we should have the doctor and balana and they should both have to deal with their separate

technology and physiology combined. And I think that would have been an interesting trio to see kind of sorting things out with Seven's technology. It would have been fun to see that. Yeah. But he wants to gossip. He wants an update. He's like, well, so what's going on?

And she keeps saying, I don't want a small talk with you. And he's like, well, I'm stuck in here. I don't have a mobile emitter. I don't know what's going on out there. Please tell me. She tells him something like, well, there was a little something in the mess hall. Balana and I got into an argument and she

referred to me as an automaton, seven says. She called me an automaton, which I thought was kind of silly, and then said some expletives in Klingon or something, which I thought was an interesting description. I don't know about this scene. I don't know about, would the doctor's program have this kind of phomo, this fear of missing out of not being able to get out of the sick bay. Would he even experience that?

You know, and then why is he into gossip? To me, it just came off as creepy. I just thought the doctor looks really creepy in this scene. So these are questions that I never really thought about beforehand. You know, back in the day,

but now that I'm watching, I'm like, why would he even care? Why would he care that his mobile meter isn't around? Right? He's a program. It shouldn't matter. The only thing I can think of is he's developed some humanity.

How? He's gotten used to, well, but that's, that's really fundamentally the story of the doctors. He changes over time, right? He grows a little more humanity over time. Right. But that's, that should be seven of nine story, not the doctor. Right. You know, I mean, he's still a program.

Yeah, they're both kind of doing it, though. They're both. I guess. I guess, but he's still a computer program, you know? I mean, I feel, I don't know. I'm being really critical with a doctor at this point, but it just, it bothered me. Really did. It bothered me. It bothered me for different reasons. I can totally buy that the doctor's program

can adapt and can start to, I mean, so much of his story with Kess with the early episodes was about him having a human experience and his program sort of adapting and learning and growing. I totally can buy that. What I didn't buy is in this specific episode, it just seemed like it was tagged on. It didn't really relate either one of, neither one of their stories related to anything okay that was happening in our a story and just felt disconnected that was the part that bothered me yeah like the Vulcan line like the scene between seven and harry sort of disconnected as well you know what I'm saying yeah this is this is an episode of disconnected scenes is what it felt very disconnected yes let's see what happens next astrometrics so now we're in astromech

and we have a scene between two vodka seven again I like this pairing I love these two together I mean, this is my new favorite pairing. I like watching Tuvok and Seven interact. They locate the building that is holding the processor, the important processor that we need. And so then, you know, now we know where to go. So that's the end of that scene. And we jump back into DaVinci's new workshop.

And we have Janeway's there. And of course, Tau shows up in this. Yes. So now that Seven and Tuvok have figured out the location of this processor, or the Tuvok calls down to Janeway on the planet and says they know where it is and Janeway agrees to carry out this plan to that she'll go to this location with Da Vinci and Voyager will rendezvous with them and beam them out of there with the with the processor but unfortunately Tao has overheard all of this and it catches her at gunpoint and says give me your combat so now he's not going to be able to Tuvok's not going to be able to and Voyager's not going to be able to locate them because she doesn't have her con badge.

He's got her com. Right. And just then, Da Vinci comes around with like a fire extinguisher in his hand. It looks like that. It looks maybe like a steampunk version of a fire extinguisher.

Yeah. And knocks the bejesus out of towel. Knocks Tao out. Mm-hmm. And then Janeway says, I've got to get out of here. You need to come with me too. And DaVinci is like, no, no.

if you know no i want to stay here there's magic here he doesn't understand how this all of this science could be happening here that's right electricity and things you know appearing and disappearing it just seems like magic to him yeah um and she says no you're a prisoner here and he needs to get back she's going you need to get back to europe they need you back to europe and and he's like i hate Europe. I hate them. I hate the Florentines. What are they? Ferenchians, Florinians. The people that live in Florence. Florentines, I think. Florentines, I think. Yeah, he's like, I hate those people. And she says, okay, do it for me. I need you. Yeah. And then he finally says, for you, I will go. For you, Katerina, anything. But this is my biggest problem with this script, with this episode. Why didn't

she pick up the con badge from the unconscious Tao. Oh, yeah. You see what I'm saying? So really, I mean, Janeway's not, why would, Janeway is the captain of a starship. She's not going to forget her one way to communicate with Voyager, which clearly she can just pick up off of the unconscious body of Tao. So what should have been written into the script was,

Tao takes this com badge, throws it on the ground, and stomps on it and breaks it. Exactly. That would have made more sense. Yeah, but there's a huge hole in the script right here in this scene. which really made me very upset.

Okay. I feel like there's a lot of holes in the script. I don't even know how to. This is like a Swiss cheese episode. It is full of holes. Okay. Yeah, it feels like cheese. Holy.

Holy. It's holy. She says to Da Vinci that they've got to find the entrance to the storage facility. And that's where there's a wondrous invention she calls. It's called a computer processor, she says. And they can use it to send a beacon. to her to her and she says about the computer processor it can send information over great distances yeah and i'm like no that's the internet actually the processor is different but anyway um

and she says all we got to do is find this and we'll be rescued yeah they're at the so they're at the exterior of this storage facility which where was that by the way that kind of looks like something we've used before too i think i know where it was i think i know where it was city of industry maybe there is a old power plant down at Manhattan Beach. Oh, yeah. That's right. That we shot Chuck, a couple episodes of Chuck shot down there.

And as we got into this episode, I was like, oh, that's the power plant at Manhattan Beach. I remember that. Yeah. So I think that's where they filmed these scenes. But this was the facility where our computer processor

was being held. Yes. And they find it. They may have the sequence of going through the old power plant, which looked super cool and steam shoots out here and there. And it was, it was very cool. Yeah. But there wasn't a lot of dressing on that interior to make it look futuristic,

because it's still very, you know, 20th century, right? Oh, very. And then there's that scene. They're inside. They're looking for the goods, the stolen goods. And then they talk about on the bridge, you know, Harry's like giving the play by play, you know, because he can detect like, oh, and now they're inside.

And oh, no, there's 14 guards that are converging upon them. But yet we don't see 14. We see one guy come in. See one guy. And then we see two outside. That's it. That's it. So, again, more holes in this Swiss.

It was very thin on extras, this whole episode. Yes. Like back in the town square, it's like a lot of different. Yeah. I think they put all their money into locations and they didn't put it into other stuff. Exactly. Exactly. On people and things like that.

Yep. I agree. I agree. Budgetary issues here. Finally, Janeway beams the processor back to Voyager so that everything's cool there. We have the computer processor back. So it's sort of a jumping back and forth between Janeway and Leonardo on the planet surface inside the storage facility and back to Voyager. Yeah, back on Voyager on the bridge with Harry. And are you up there too? Are you on the bridge with us at that point? I can't remember. Yeah, I've got a couple lines. Yeah, here or there. I remember like, I don't even think they. covered my lines down front because I noticed at one point we were sort of over Chacote yeah and pointing down and I kept turning around to deliver my lines as if I was reading some information and I went there blah blah blah blah blah and then turning around I'm like why wouldn't I just keep my eyes on the screen and the information and I was like oh they didn't want to come around and they didn't want to come around and shoot him in the background he's in the background

it's fine budgetary concerns Robbie budgetary concerns okay So now we are with a, oh, Janeway, before being captured by the rest of the 14 guards who we never see, Janeway uses a site to site transporter and beams Leonardo and herself out into the remote part of the planet. So now they're out in a woodsy kind of, well, they're in the Malibu Canyon, they're into canyon somewhere. On some trail in Malibu. Yeah, Malibu.

Yeah. And he, and they're walking and he's like, you need to stop. and explain this. I'm confused. And he says, you know, people are disappearing, lightning through my body. That's the phaser that shot at him. He said, I just, my mind can't understand this magic. And so Janeway tries to explain it. And she thinks for a minute. And I guess she sees a bird off camera because she says, if you weren't a human, what if you were a bird? And then she goes through sort of explaining your reality would be that of a bird. And you wouldn't understand human experiences.

And so she says to him at one point, she says, as a man, can you believe there's certain realities that are beyond the limits of your understanding? And so to me, that was the big idea of this episode, that sort of idea of like things that seem like magic to us, like computers sending information, you know, to other places, the internet or whatever. amazing like magic if you don't understand it but it's just it's not magic it's just beyond your understanding right right right um yeah so i thought that was to me that was that where i finally was like oh here's the thing here's the point of this is that da vinci's actually learning that there are things that are beyond what he had even though he's a genius even though he was a renaissance man that in his time knew more than most people then he's like a child.

He's like a bird in the future. He doesn't understand all this stuff. I love when we go to engineering after Torres has gotten the computer back online and she says, okay, Captain, we're open for business. And I was like, that's the 20th century term. That sounds like a Paris line. Clearly, they're dating now because she's using lines

that Paris uses. We're open for business. Yes, yes. The alien ships attacked. right and uh and while this is going on leonardo leads janeway to the edge of this cliff and lo and behold his flying machine is there which looks a lot like a it looks a lot like a hang glider yes that's what i wrote it looks like a hang glider but it's a revised uh flying machine as opposed to the one in the beginning of the episode which fell into the into the body of water and it is it's more structurally sound

and janeway takes a chance and they they head off the and she by the way, she looks at this hang glider, and she says, that looks like deranium alloy should be light enough. How does she know that this is deranium alloy, whatever that is? First of all, just by looking at it. It's painted, right? It's painted. You can't even. How does she know the metallurgy of this particular alloy? She hasn't weighed it. She hasn't checked the density. She's just looking at it and going, yeah, deranium alloy should be light enough. I'm going to say, as a teenager, Janeway was an intern for a metallurgist. This is why she knows this.

It must have been that she can just sense it. This is why Janeway is so amazing. She knows all kinds of random things. I mean, I used to ride a lot of bicycles and I was into like carbon fiber bikes and there were aluminum bikes and there were, you know, carbon different chromali tubes and all kinds of, right? But when you go to the bike store and you look at all these bikes, they're all painted. You don't know what it is. You have to lift it up.

You have to kind of clink on it. Oh, that's aluminum. Oh, that's carbon fire. She didn't do any of that. She just sort of looked at it. She didn't look at it. Graney Malloy. Got it.

Check. Love it. And when did Leonardo have time to build that, that berm? You know, that little jump, that little, how he, when he takes off, they take off on it. It's like a landing ramp. That's a whole, that's a whole huge dirt, you know, ramp that was fabricated out of the nothing. Yeah.

By the way, I got to say, I don't know how they did this. I don't know if they did it practically, if they had a real hang glider or something out there flying or if they did it with digital effects. But it was cool. It was cool. It was cool. I was surprised how much of this flying they did because it was that, that's kind of a, it's a tricky thing to do a real. kind of, you know, Da Vinci plane takeoff. It's not like a spaceship that's CG that we can sort of create anything we want. This is something that needs to look real. But you're not talking about like the close-up shot of them when they're in the air

and they're looking at each other. That would have been green screen or something, right? It would have been green screen or what we call poor mans where you just point it up toward the sky and you blow fans on them and pretend they're up. You're talking about when they actually start going and they go on the little dirt ramp and they take off and they're flying that part, maybe CGI, maybe practical, right? Maybe practical. I don't know. And there were some shots where I was like, how did they get those shots? Because back then, you know, nowadays we have drones. Yes. People are familiar

with drones and no drone usage back then. No. So how did they get those shots? How do they catch that? Yeah. Is there a crane? Is there a crane high enough to be able to not really because they were way up there. They were way up there. Even back then. Yeah. They didn't have techno cranes, which is something we use now, which has a telescoping arm that can go up to like 50 feet high or something. Even further, right? No. They didn't exist. I don't know how they did some of this.

It was really, I was impressed with it. It was a nice little sequence with the flying and everything. Yeah. It was my favorite part of the episode. Right there. Okay. Yeah. And I love Kim's play by play.

You know, there are, Captain and Leonardo are at the precipice. And the whole thing is we can't beam them up. We can't beam them aboard the show. because they're too we're not close enough right yeah and so then kim says like and now they're in the air i say that because i know because we don't know that they have a glider right so we're thinking okay how are they mid air anyway has turned into jesus she's not only walking on water she's walking on the air she's just the levitating yeah she's just levitating yeah it was cool and then they get beam back and then we have kind of captain's log and we end up back at uh da vinci's workshop for a little recap

And he says he's going to France. He's going to use what he's learned. And she says, you know, you're never going to find the materials that were at that planet. You're never going to find the same exact materials. And he said something at one point. He said, like mechanical women who live in boxes. It must have been the Majel Barrett's computer voice. That's right.

When he heard that. And he talked about his first memory was a great bird. on his bed that he that he you know his memory of dreaming of flying and dreaming of this and and then uh the very last image is a is a bird in a cage which i thought was a another poetic like jo manoski had a lot of poetry in this episode right in terms of da Vinci and and sort of having a dream of something that that's maybe feels magical right now but eventually becomes real yeah really what I took away from this whole da Vinci point of view and my question to you is your lesson and my lesson my lesson my theme I would say what my takeaway from this was science looks like magic if you

don't understand it and that was kind of da Vinci's point of view yeah is to him it looked like Matt, even though he was a man of science. And again, for his time, he was ahead of everybody else. But when he got thrust into the future, it looked like magic to him. And he just had to, you know, he had to understand it. It was a lot for him to catch up to. But, you know, if he knew that it was not magic, it was science, which he was a scientist. He was going to figure it out eventually.

And that would be his journey, you know. Yeah, that's my takeaway. If I had to, this is a hard one for me to figure out what it was. Likewise. Yeah. Likewise. For me, I was just thinking, thinking like, what is the lesson here? And I kept thinking, I don't think I even have.

So right off the bat, I said, this is one of the hardest episodes to pull lesson out of. Yeah. So I just ended up writing down, don't steal. Don't invite bad karma into your life by stealing something that doesn't belong to you. Yeah. story. That's it. You know, I mean, it's a little bit on the nose, but I really couldn't find something that that moved me. Yeah. Makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. Well, good. What is, uh, do we know what next week? Yes, yes. Next week, we move away from, uh, the, uh, Robbie Duncan McNeil, Tom Paris

fan club episodes. And we move on to mortal coil. Mortal coil. So thank you everyone for tuning in to what Robbie and I believe to be the worst so far episode of Voyager and at least we had costumes we had good costumes we wore some nice Halloween although this is

one of the poorer episodes of Voyager this may be one of the best episodes of the Delta Flyers because this is the first time that we have been in costume yes that's true all right everyone thank you so much and join us next week

when Robbie and I review Mortal Coil. See ya. Thanks, everybody. Bye.