The Delta Flyers - Counterpoint

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

The Delta Flyers is a weekly Star Trek: Voyager rewatch & recap podcast hosted by Garrett Wang & Robert Duncan McNeill. Each week Garrett and Robert will rewatch an episode of Voyager starting at the very beginning. This week’s episode is Counterpoint Garrett and Robbie recap and discuss the episode, and share their insight as series regulars.Counterpoint:A Devore officer asks Janeway for asylum after he intercepts Voyager to search for two families of alien refugees who have been rescued by the ship's crew.We want to thank everyone who makes this podcast possible, starting with our Executive producers Megan Elise & Rebecca McNeillAnd a special thanks to our Ambassadors, the guests who keep coming back, giving their time and energy into making this podcast better and better with their thoughts, input, and inside knowledge: Lisa Klink, Martha Hackett, Robert Picardo, Ethan Phillips, Robert Beltran, Tim Russ, Roxann Dawson, Kate Mulgrew, & Brannon BragaAdditionally we could not make this podcast available without our Co-Executive Producers: Stephanie Baker, Philipp Havrilla, Kelton Rochelle, Liz Scott, Eve England, Sab Ewell, Sarah A Gubbins, Jason M Okun, Luz R., Marie Burgoyne, Chris Knapp, Utopia Science Fiction Magazine, Courtney Lucas, Matthew Gravens, Elaine Ferguson, Brian Barrow, Captain Jeremiah Brown, Heidi Mclellan, Rich Gross, Mary Jac Greer, John Espinosa, James Zugg, Deike Hoffmann, Mike Gu, Anna Post, Shannyn Bourke, Vikki Williams, Kelly Brown, Lee Lisle, Mary Beth Lowe, William McEvoy, Sarah Thompson, Samantha Hunter, Holly Smith, KMB, Dominic Burgess, Ashley Stokey, Amber Eason, Mary Burch, Nicholaus Russell, Dominique Weidle, Lisa Robinson, Normandy Madden, Joseph Michael Kuhlmann, Darryl Cheng, Alex Mednis, AJ Freeburg, Elizabeth Stanton, Kayla Knilans, Barbara S., Tim Beach, Ariana, Meg Johnson, Victor Ling, Marcus Vanderzonbrouwer, Nathan Walker, Shambhavi Kadam, James H. Morrow, Christopher Arzeberger, Megan Chowning, Tae Phoenix, Nicole Anne Toma, Donna Runyon, Nicholas Albano, Daniel O’Brien, Bronwen Duffield, Brandon May, Jeremy Mcgraw, & Jason BonnettAnd our Producers:Jim Guckin, James Amey, Katherine Hendrick, Eleanor Lamb, Richard Banaski, Ann Harding, Ann Marie Segal, Charity Ponton, Chloe E, Kathleen Baxter, Craig Sweaton, Nathanial Moon, Carole Patterson, Warren Stine, Mike Schaible, AJ Provance, Captain Nancy Stout, Claire Deans, Matthew Cutler, Maxine Soloway, Joshua L Phillips, Barbara Beck, Aithne Loeblich, Dat Cao, Cody Crockett, Scott Lakes, Stephen Riegner, Debra Defelice, Tara Polen, Jenna Appleton, Jason Potvin, Cindy Ring, Andrei Dunca, Jason Wang, Gabriel Dominic Girgis, Amber Nighbor, Amy Tudor, Jamason Isenburg, Mark G Hamilton, Liza Albright, Rob Johnson, Kevin Selman, Maria Rosell, Michael Bucklin, Lisa Klink, Jennifer Jelf, Justin Weir, Normandy Madden, Mike Chow, John Mann, Holly R. Schmitt, Michael "Klink" Klinckhardt, Rachel Shapiro, Eric Kau, Megan Moore, Melissa A. Nathan, Captain Jak Greymoon, David Wei Liu, David J Manske, Roxane Ray, Amy Rambacher, Jessica B, E.G. Galano, Cindy Holland, Craig M. Nakashian, Julie McCain, Will Forg, Max Wilson, Estelle Keller, Carmen Puente-Garza, & Russell NemhauserThank you for your support!“Our creations are protected by copyright, trademark and trade secret laws. Some examples of our creations are the text we use, artwork we create, audio, and video we produce and post. You may not use, reproduce, distribute our creations unless we give you permission. If you have any questions, you can email us at [e-mail].”Our Sponsors:* Check out Mint Mobile: https://mintmobile.com/TDFSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-delta-flyers/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Delta Flyers with Tom and Harry as we journey through episodes of Star Trek Voyager. Your two hosts long this journey are my fellow Trek actor and now accomplished episodic television director, Robert Duncan McNeil and myself, your favorite forever ensign, Garrett Wong. Wow. You're changing up the intro every week. I'm trying to improve it. and wow, very exciting, very exciting. Constantly evolving. Constantly evolving. And remember, everyone, you can get the full version of this podcast by signing up to become a patron at patreon.com forward

slash the Delta Flyers. There you go. Yes. Come on in. Come on. The water's warm. Come on in. Okay. Playing around with my microphone a little. Is this your old mic or new mic? This is my new. This is my old mic. This is my old mic. Okay. Got you. I've been told that I need to get a new mic that is a dent or something in told i've been told that it's the quality of my mic remember when we started this podcast you're like you have to get this particular microphone it's and you did not listen to me in true tom paris form you went with your other thing you're like whatever i went for like the middle of the road and now i'm i'm hearing from our very accomplished editorial team that my sound is not up to standard and they want it better. They want to keep improving

just like your intro. Good. I'm so excited. So maybe you will now have a microphone that I recommend it to you to get in the beginning. Yeah. I'm going to go all out. Okay. Excellent. All right. So this week's episode. Yes. Is Counterpoint. Okay. Counterpoint. So I'm excited to This is not bringing up any memories for me, so I'm excited to go watch this episode, Counterpoint. Yeah. So, Robbie and I will be right back with our recap, discussion, and review of Counterpoint. Hey, everyone, Robbie and I are back watching Counterpoint. Yes, we are.

Boy, oh, boy. Yes, that was something different. Yes, it was. It was a very different kind of episode. Yeah, it was. It was a chess, it was a match as a chess game, a chess match, pretty much. And very different from what we've seen so far, for sure. Yeah.

Especially the structure of the episode, how it started and everything. Okay, let's just jump into our poetry synopsis of. Yes, let's get to the poetry, because that's really what I look forward to every week. Same here. Here we go. Okay. My haiku for Counterpoint, one more inspection. Voyager hides Brannari.

Can't out with Janeway. Oh, you brought it home there at the end. Yeah, I did. Nice. Let me hear this fabulous limerick you came up with. Here we go with our limerick poetry synopsis. Here we go. For counterpoint, smuggling refugees through Devoran space.

Kashik is looking to Janeway for an embrace. A game of wits is played. It's quite a masquerade. If only Cachec knew, Janeway always wins the race. Yeah. Okay. He kind of brought it around, too.

Brought it around. Yeah. Did you notice? Do you notice when he, when he introduces himself, he doesn't say Cacheck. Everyone else in the whole ship says Cacheck, including the Bernari aliens, say Cacheck. But when he introduces himself to Janeway,

when he doesn't introduce. says, don't call me, Inspector, call me. He says, Kashik is what he says. Yes. Oh, that's right. He does. He says, he says, kishik. And then everyone else just starts calling him Kashik. So it's, you know, tomato, tomato, I guess. Well, do you remember they used to put a pronunciation guide? Pronunciation guide. In the front of our script. And so for names like this, there would always be a pronunciation guide. But not everybody referred to that. In fact, I admit, I did not always refer to it. So it might have been a case of the guest star read the pronunciation guide. But season five, the actors, the Voyager actors are like, nah, we'll just pronounce it.

Yeah, you just start repeating whatever somebody else, you know, started. It takes on a life of its own, basically. So, okay. All right. You want to give us the guest star rolled out or the roll down? Let's talk about our actors first. Really big cast, big guest cast on this one, larger than most. The first one, I will say, is Mark Harrelick, who plays Kashik or Gashik.

Mark Harrelick is originally from Texas. Okay. And as I like to do, talk about their very first job. Mark Harrelick made his television debut in a TV movie called Unspeakable Acts with B.B. Newworth and Gregory Sierra. What year was that? 1990. 1990, which is kind of late, considering, you know, he's a very experienced actor, but he was a theater guy.

I know Mark Heraldik did a ton of theater. Okay. Keir, who was... The Bernari, the head of the Bernari. Exactly. The Benari guy, the guy that Jane was always talking to, that actor's named Randy Oglesby. Mr. Oglesby. Mr. Oglesby, very first TV job was actually a theater piece adapted.

I don't know if it was for PBS. that's the guess I'm making. It was probably for PBS or something like that. It was a version of a Christmas carol. Oh. In 1981, he did a Christmas carol in television. We also have Prax played by J. Patrick McCormick. Yes.

His very first TV and film job was in 1992, a movie called Folks. Folks with Tom Selleck was the star. Wow. Yes. 82. Well, can I just say one thing about J. Patrick McCormick. Prax, when you first see him, you see him on the view screen, and later we see him on Voyager for the inspection. He really reminded me, or I thought it was the actor Glenn Moorshauer.

Oh, yeah, it looks so much like Glenn. It's crazy. I've worked with Glenn a couple of times. Of course. And Glenn was on TNG, on Voyager, on, do you remember the episode of Voyager he was on? um resistance the one with joe gray yeah yeah yeah was one of the security guard guys and then he was also on enterprise so he's done three guest star uh roles on star trek but not this episode and i swear he came on i said that's glen i know it looks just like glen yeah no kind of freaky yeah okay um okay another actor guest star on our show playing vorek again repreasing his role of vorek is alix enberg yes

Emberg, if we haven't covered it already, made his TV debut in the TV show Quincy, 1982, as a young child, I'm sure, or a teenager at least. We also have Tarot. Oh, yeah, yes, Tarot. Who has the nose breathing that I love. I knew you would like that. Randy Lowell is the actor. He was his first job was 1982, Cagney and Lacey.

Oh, my goodness. Like episode two, one of the first episodes of that. Randy Lowell, yes. And you know why I knew you would like his role or his character? Because he kind of could have been a cousin of Salamander Paris. Right? He looked so much. I said, I wrote that down on my notes.

When you see him, it's kind of a similar face vibe as Threshold Paris. Threshold Paris. The Wizard Paris, yeah. Okay. Our last actor I want to mention is the little boy who talked with Neelix during the story. He had telepathy. Yes. And that character's name is Adar or Adar.

Okay. And the little boy's name was Jake Saxon. Jake Saxon. His first job ever was a TV movie called For the Future, The Irvine Fertility Scandal. Must be based on a real-life thing. Mary Lou Hennar was the star, but also Alicia Coppola. was in his little Jake's very first job, Alicia Coppola was in the pilot.

The Betazoid, yes, who you flirt with. Oh, my goodness. So we brought it all back around. Is this sort of like six degrees of Alicia Coppola? What are you doing? I think so. I think so. Wow.

Okay, that's all the actors that I have. We also have Michael Taylor wrote this episode. Yeah. Michael Taylor wrote a bunch of DS9 and Voyager scripts. And Uncle Les Landau directed. We forgot to guess who. We got to start remembering to do that again. But Uncle Les came back.

Season 5 to direct this one. Yeah, and he did a great job. Okay, so I just want to bring up one thing concerning the writing. Yes. You know, for a while, I've had this in my head, this story, which I cannot remember if it was Brian. I can't remember which person from the writing department that I had this conversation with. But I thought it was possibly Brian. Yeah, but maybe not.

But whoever I had the conversation with, I was asking them about how people pitch. You know, how do people come in to the writers, to a producer and say, here's my pitch for Voyager. And the example that they gave was the writer that pitched for Counterpoint. Really? Yes, because they said, they said that the pitch can be a very long, detailed pitch, or it could be as simple as, one sentence. And this, and this was the example that was given to me by whoever I had this conversation with. And I've held this memory in my head for all these years. And the pitch was Voyager harbors Jews from the Nazis is what it is. Was the pitch. So basically it was like,

let's hide the, you know, let's save the lives of these people that are being persecuted. And the pitch was Voyager hides, hides Jews from the Nazis. And it was very simple. I heard the same thing about this, that it was Anne Frank on Voyager. Yeah, and Frank on Voyager. Yeah. So one very quick sentence and boom, that was purchased. They were like, yep, we'll buy that. So there you go. I don't know if Michael Taylor actually pitched the story, if it was pitched by somebody else. And then Taylor was given the assignment to actually write the teleplay. I don't know. But still, I do know I remember this conversation. And you have a little bit of a memory of that too then. yeah i do remember this this episode was originally something very different i i remember now you know now that we've watched it so many memories come flooding back i remember that originally this was going to be anne frank on voyager and that janeway was supposed to fall in love originally i think she was supposed to fall in love with like one of the refugee like anne frank's dad or something oh it was a whole thing so keir and her were supposed to be in the

Something, yes. Originally, it was supposed to be that. Yeah. And then they were like, wait a minute. What if she falls in love with the bad guy? They sort of took the pitch. Yeah. And changed it out.

But yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we, you know, we start this whole episode and it's on the bridge. And clearly we know right off the bat. This is old hat. We have gone through this before. Everyone is ready for this inspection by the,

Devor. And by the way, all I can think of when I watch this episode and you hear that they're called the Devor is one of my college buddies who also knows Mitch Melkinson, so in the same fraternity. His last name is DeVore. Mitch Melonson is my, is my attorney. Yes. My entertainment lawyer. My ex fraternity brother. Exactly. One of our other fraternity brothers, his name was Mark Devor. D-E-V-O-R-E. Oh, that's funny. So every time I hear this, the Devor coming, I think about Mark DeVore from Boston who plays hockey, and that's clearly not the same, but I cannot get that out of my head. So the classical music starts playing, and again, another really different take on an episode. I was going to say, yeah, overall, I thought it was really, it felt very different

because a lot of times where you expect to hear the score for Voyager, instead, there was this classical music, which became a theme and a story point. Yeah. But yet it made the episode feel very, very different. Very much so. And, and you know, you remember when he, when, uh, Cacheke calls Janeway to her ready room, he's got the music playing and he tells her that he's got it on because maybe this will help the crew relax. And again, another theme about maybe this will help you relax that we see that we hear that

and see that over and over again. And then that made me think about there was a 7-Eleven in Los Angeles that I used to go to. And they would be playing classical music on. speakers, right at the doorway. And I asked the cashier, I'm like, why do you guys play classical music? They said, well, because this 7-Eleven has been robbed so many times that the owner decided to pump out classical music because it's supposed to calm people down and keep them from going going agro and crazy and ballistic and trying to, and maybe, maybe deter a robbery. So that's, wow. Yeah, so that is, yeah, that's a story that's so, so, yes. So, yes. So,

So Kashik is trying to calm everybody down by playing this classical music from our database, which he's never heard before. Right. You know, so he's just learning about all this. Yeah. Yeah, so we see that this has been happening a bunch. We've been boarded. We're going through this part of space where they're coming to check. They're looking for telepaths.

Correct. It is the number one illegal thing in their part of space to have telepaths on board. But we don't find this out quite yet. No, no. No, it's not revealed right off the bat. Definitely not. What is revealed is there in the, in, uh, Kishik is in Janeway's ready room behind her desk. Yeah.

And he's drinking coffee and he talks about coffee. And he's like, this is delicious. And he goes, uh, Pax or whatever's name is Prax doesn't really like it. He doesn't, he won't even try it. He won't even try it. But I like this stuff. Yeah, it's very bold on the part of Kishik to sit in her, her chair drinking her coffee. And, yeah, that was an interesting thing.

I also noticed on the bridge and in the ready room and throughout, the lighting was very different in this episode than we normally have. We were in gray mode later on, which I know is a particular look. But generally, I thought the rooms, every room looked very kind of dark and dangerous and mysterious in a way that we don't. Usually we're either at Red Alert. There's that look or it's a normal look or it's a low power mode. but this felt like danger mode. I don't know. This felt like a whole different lighting look

that Marfan Rush did. Okay. All right. Good catch. Throughout. Yeah. We see an exterior of Voyager. The exterior flyby with the divorce ships.

Yeah. Look so cool. They're massive. They're very massive. And they look like, like, like, I don't know, like stingrays or something. Yeah. Like some kind of, you know, oceanic kind of fish or something. I thought they were really different from every other vessel, alien vessel that we've seen it up to this point.

So I was like, oh, wow, look at the hull plating on that ship. Look at the, yeah, it was pretty cool looking, definitely. I agree. That was very cool. So we, yeah, we see the flyby. And now there's, it's a montage. We have a montage between the corridor, the Jeffries tube, the transporter room, sick bay, engineering, mess hall, cargo bay of the inspection. All the while, the classical music.

What I liked about this montage, all to the classical music. What I liked about the montage is I started seeing drawers and panels and places that I never knew we had panels. I was like, whoa, there's something there? There's a drawer in the middle of that corridor. We didn't know that. I never knew that. Why don't we use that? There was some cool.

Yeah, and they were really rough with the stuff, by the way. Oh, they were. They were quite rude. Yeah, they go into like the, the, uh, the, uh, the, sick bay and and he's got some slides and the doctor's like please be careful with that it's uh you know very valuable information and he just drops it crashes it doesn't care doesn't care they do go to engineering and balana they say hey you've used why did you reroute all this energy of the transporter room she's like oh it was just a routine diagnostic no yeah yeah and so

he gives her a tip on what she should be doing and she rolls her eyes basically you know like Thanks a lot for getting that info. They check out seven in the cargo bay or wherever she's at. Yep. They're like, what's up with this reading? And she goes, oh, that's my interlink note for communicating with the board. And he goes, but you're not a telepath, right? Right.

Nope. No. Is that the first point where we notice that that's what they're looking for? That may be the first time. It's Prax, right? Prax has that conversation with her. Yeah. And then we go back to the ready room.

Yes. And Kashik or Kashik is talking to her. Yeah. And he talks about these contradictions with humans, like that you have these beautiful music. But then you've got this history of horrific war as well. Like you're just very, we can't pin you down. And he also brings up the crew manifest in the scene. Yeah.

And he says, let me, before you go on the crew manifest, I wrote down the actual line that he says. He says, your culture has many contradictions, violence, and. beauty, science and faith, all somehow mingled harmoniously, like the counterpoint of this music, Mahler, symphony number one. So this is a great, you know, a little intro to the title of the episode right here with the music. And that's when he examines the Voyager, well, he has examined the Voyager crew manifest. Yeah. Yeah, he points out on the manifest, he says, you know, you've got some some Vulcans here and Abolian and Betozoids. Betozoid, sorry, Betozoid, and why haven't we met them?

Why haven't we met them? They don't seem to be around. And then Janeway gets very kind of emotional about, yes, they died, and it's very sad. Right. She says Vorik Tuvok and Jarot died in a shuttle crash. Souter died facing the Kazan, and, you know, they were valued members of this crew. And just because they are telepaths, it doesn't mean that they're. bad people the way that the divorce look at all telepaths i did notice in this scene by the way it's a long scene very long because you know prax ends up coming in and saying hey we didn't find any telepaths but they

diverted from their course that they said they were going to be on and that's a that's a illegal offense we should we should impound this the ship and and uh you know there's there's penalties for that and and she's like no we'll let we'll let the slide we'll give her a break on this she could use a friends so he starts to plant this like oh the seed of um seed of friendship or something yeah you can trust me with prax and and and kashik and janeway and everything the blocking was i have to say very complicated a lot of movement which means that you've got to be shooting these angles you know different angles for screen direction and just all these it seemed almost over covered to me i have to say. I was like, wait, where are they looking now? Where is he standing? I didn't know where

people were. Sometimes when the blocking gets too complicated, to me, I start getting a little disoriented in space. I'm like, wait, where are they now? Actually, my disorientation happened when you see Harry in the transporter room. Like, he's standing at where the transporter chief is, the, the divorce come in, and he walks around and they go to meet him, but he's not there where where you would think Harry would be. So it was like, wait, where did I go? And then the next scene, Harry's standing right next to them.

So I was thinking, wait a minute. The transporter room is a very small room. It's not like Harry would have got lost on the way over there. You should have seen Harry in a certain shot that you didn't see. Yes, there was a few times that that happened where I noticed, like, I think there's a scene later on in the briefing room when Janeway comes in and Kachick is there. And then it's not until she walks around one side of the. the table that you realize, oh, there's a couple of security guards in here.

Like, I didn't even see them. Not until the other shot. It was a, it was a, I think being disoriented like that. And then all of a sudden seeing a character was in the room, I felt a little, I don't know, it felt a little confusing. And it seemed to be a pattern in this episode. I'll just point that out. Yeah, but it also could have been intentional.

Maybe that's what, maybe that's what he wanted. Maybe Uncle Les wanted to have that sort of like, wait a minute, what's going on here, you know, to keep you on your toes. So you never know. You never know. So now we're on the bridge. Yeah, we're on the bridge, but we kind of have a bit of a montage between bridge, cargo by one, transport, room, and engineering in order to bring back to Vok, Vorik, and all the

telepathic refugees, adults and children, all the Brinari. And there's some issues. It's not the easiest, it's not the easiest beam back because the pattern buffers are, they've been basically in suspension. They haven't been beamed back. Their patterns are sort of just sitting there in cyberspace, just sitting there just waiting to be beamed back. And finally, it works.

Thank goodness. They're able to beam them back with the increase in power that Bologna gives. And Jane Wray tells Harry what he needs to do to help get everyone back. And we've never done this before, right? Like, I don't remember this ever on the show. No. I don't even remember it happening in Star Trek any other time. Nope.

with the transporters. That we beat, that someone, characters get beamed into suspension. Yeah, not in our show, not on our show. Maybe on another one, though. Maybe on another one, but very unusual, technical sci-fi, you know, idea to be able to do this. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. But, yeah, so we go into Sick Bay next and Janeway comes into Sick Bay.

Well, before you jump to Sick Bay, let me just quickly say there is, we do have a captain's log, a supplemental. which gives us a little bit more information that it's been weeks of this hide-and-seek game that we've been playing with the DeVore and that we're about to trans... We're about to rendezvous with the transport vessel that will take these telepaths to a wormhole to escape DeVore territory.

And then we jump into Sick Bay. Go ahead. And then we jump into Sick Bay, and Janeway walks by Keir, and she tells Keir that they're going to meet this transport vessel that will be able to get them out. but the vessel has changed the rendezvous points again. Right.

And so he's disappointed. But you see a bit of this relationship because we haven't met these refugees. Like this is the first time we're hearing, you know, kind of understanding who they are and what they're doing. Right. So Janeway is. But you know that there is some camaraderie between Janeway and Keir because she's joking with him. Yeah, exactly. You can see that camaraderie.

So it's implied that they've been, you know, trying to help them for a while. now. Right. And then the doctor comes over and tells them if they continue to do this transporter suspension thing, yeah. But some of them may not survive. Right. They called it acute cellular degradation. Yes. Which is cumulative. And the more they do it, there will be a time when someone will not come back. They're done. So it's dangerous, clearly. Yeah. So next we jump to astrometrics, I think. That's right. And we find out that we're two days away from this rendezvous, the new rendezvous point. Mm-hmm.

And Janeway basically says, let's take this really complicated route so we can avoid being detected by their, their, you know, arrays or whatever that's out there. And I love at the end, she says, okay, avoid their colonies, space stations, tourist attractions, if they have any. If they have any. And she rolls her eyes. It was a very, very saucy little delivery of that line. It was very funny.

Just trying to imagine what a devour tourist attraction would look like. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, yeah, so the command goes out. And now we jump to Mess Hall. Yeah. And Neelix is telling a story to all the Brannari kids.

He's kind of reading it's story time. Well, story time, and he's telling flotter and the over of fire, which is back to, you know, the Naomi Wildman episode. Once upon a time. Once upon a time when we got to meet some. of those characters. So he's telling them this story. And the kids, because they're telepaths, there's no real surprises. And I just thought Ethan was very funny when he's, the kid reads his mind. Yeah. And he's like, you know, it's not nice to ruin a story by reading my mind here. It was very,

very funny. And I also noticed in the scene that there's a, they're all sitting on the floor in mess hall. And there's a big plate of cookies on the floor. floor and treats or something. I didn't notice that. None of them were eaten. They weren't touched. Oh, Leola root cookies, maybe. That's why they didn't eat them.

They took one bite and wouldn't continue, probably. Yeah. I think Ethan Phillips is always great with kids. So the scene with them reading the story and the little, little jokey moment with a kid reading his mind, ruining the story was funny. But I also notice when Janeway comes in, they have this nice conversation that ends with Janeway saying, is the kitchen? still open. She seems to be hungry.

Yes. And she leans in to him as the kitchen's still open, almost flirty. And Neelich flirts back for you. It's always open. I was like, whoa. There is romance everywhere in this episode.

I don't know if there's any fan fiction with Neelix and Janeway, though. I don't know. Probably there is. Probably there is. Okay. And we have a little time passage and then they're having some food when the bridge calls to Janeway who's snacking with Neelix and they say, hey, more divorce ships are coming. Dvor vessel approaching.

Deveral vessel approaching. And so Janeway shows up at the bridge and they realize it's just one shuttle. It's not those big ships that we saw before. It's a scout ship. All alone, a scout ship. And it's Kashik slash Kashik. It's Kashik. And he says, permission to come aboard. I need, it's just me this time. And she says, he's not in his SS uniform any longer, right? He's not in the bad guy uniform. He's in a really non-threatening, warm, cozy uniform. And she says, you know the way to my ready room. And she walks off. And did you see Chakotay's look? No, I didn't watch. Chacote, like, Beltran looked over at her walking to meet Kashik in the ready room. And he was like, what's going on? Is that what he gave?

That's a JC jealousy moment. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But she goes to the ready room and, yeah, because she has different clothes on. And his hair was very fluffy, by the way. Yeah. I thought, you know, he went from that sort of like bad guy, slick back hair to like fluffy.

Trust me. Yeah. I'm a good guy here. And the lighting is back to normal. Yeah. Again, like the lighting to me in this episode was a little all over the place. I was like, wait a minute. Every room is different every time.

But he basically says he's defecting, that he wants asylum. And she's like, well, why should I help you? And he says, because I know everything. I can tell you everything. I can give you our database. I can tell you where our ships are. Well, he even says, I know that there are 12 refugees at Voyager rescued three weeks ago. So he knows everything.

He spills the beans about everything, which really kind of, you know, it forces Janeway's a little bit because now he already knows. So she kind of has to go along with this guy. She's like, okay, well, I'll give it a shot. Let's see what happens here. We're in astrometrics and Kashik shows

everybody the hidden divorce ships in the nebula. It's not it's not the transport ship that they thought they were going to meet. No. It's a hidden divorce ship waiting for them. Multiple hidden divorce ships, 12 of them actually. And then he gives Tuvok, wow, that's a recurring number.

I just noticed that 12 refugees, 12 divorce ships hidden in the nebula. Yeah, he gives Tuvok the DeVore patrol schedules and routes on a pad. He's like, there he goes. And also, here's tactical data on shield and weapon configurations for all divorce ships. So Janeway's like, okay, well, thank you. I need to speak with the Bernari. And I need to find out how they feel about this. Hey, Garrett, have you been traveling this summer?

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Turot. Right. He says. He's a scientist. He knows about these wormholes. He did say there have been sympathizers in the past amongst the divorce. So that we do feel like, oh, okay. It's possible. Maybe he is trying to help us. Maybe. They're talking to Keir, by

the way, in a room. Now, do you remember, the mess hall was on one side of that set? And then there's a hole in the middle. And then there was the other side, which got reconfigured all the time for like Janeway's quarters or two bucks quarters. Is that the room that we're in now?

That's the room we're in. It's like a multi-purpose room, I guess I would call it. Okay, okay. You know what that set I'm talking about? I know exactly what you're talking about because I was looking at this going like, this looks like the mess hall, but not the mess hall. Yeah, basically there's a set opposite the mess hall

that is just sort of a generic big open room. That gets redress for all kinds of things. Yeah, for quarters. I think we had a wedding. in there. We've done all kinds of stuff like that. Receptions for, for, you know, aliens and things. Yep. So, but when I first looked at them, I'm like, where are they? Yeah. That's where they were. That's where it was. They were camped out in that set. That makes sense. It didn't have a name in that set, though, did it? It was just like a big open space. Correct. The ship space. I don't know what we call it. Extra room. The extra room. The guest room. The guest wall.

Yeah, it's the guest room. Exactly. So. Yeah, so we have to find this Tarot fellow who knows the most about the wormhole. He's from another alien species and a close by part of the galaxy. Yes, it's not too far away. So we start searching for him. But now we jump to the briefing room. And it's Kashik and Janeway. And Janeway kind of wants to get to the bottom of this.

Like what is the reason for your sudden change of heart? I mean, you've been this hardcore inspector. And now you're turning to the other side? Why? why? And he's like, look, it's not sudden. This has been years that I've been thinking and wanting to do this and making this move. And Voyager has been the perfect opportunity. And he says, I looked at your logs. I know your ethics, your code of ethics and your humanitarian history. I've seen, you know, your journey through the Delta Quadrant and how you have had empathy and humanity with other people. right so um so i trust you i trust that you're a good person yeah and um she says okay well you're going to have to stay under these armed guards and he's like i'm fine i'm used to be in around guards i feel more comfortable yeah yes he likes it but this was the scene where you know when

she first came in it i thought it was just the two of them and then halfway through she walked around the table and all of a sudden there were guards there this is one of those where i was like whoa wait hey hello it's what's happening okay Anyway, we go to the bridge now, and they have found Tarot. We found Dorat. They pull them up in the view screen. Now, this is a... Hold on.

This is what happens. He's not responding. He's not responding. And then he locks us out. Harry Kim overrides his lockout. And now we have a very interesting camera angle because it's from behind him. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we never talk to...

Never do that the view screen. No, he's like turned around. Like, the camera's back behind. him and he's going, get out of here. Leave me alone. I almost feel like, you know how people can hack, evidently they can hack your laptop and they can watch you on your own camera?

So it's almost like he's got some monitor or screen that's behind him that Harry hacked into and now we're looking at him from behind. Yeah, I wonder if that was in the script or if that was a directorial thing. I mean, how could, how could Uncle Les have said, you know what, I'm going to change everything. Yeah, we're not going to look at the alien

head on on the view screen. We're going to look at him from behind. I don't think he would have been able to pull that off. It must have been in the script. Had to have been. But it was very different for sure. Very much so. And he was very funny, by the way.

Oh, goodness. Very, very funny. Great, great character. And the actor who portrayed to Rod really did some very interesting things, or he took some interesting choices as an actor. And my first thought was, before I knew who it was, I thought, wait, is this Curtis Armstrong?

The actor, Curtis Armstrong? because it sounded like him. Yeah. Voice quality-wise, but it's not, it's not, clearly. It was very funny. And I love how he uses that makeup when he sniffs the air, you know, when he gets like, he did this a few times. He does this thing with, yeah.

Yeah. And it's something that Ethan Phillips used to do with the Neelix makeup all the time, but off camera, like he would, because he could blow it and it would just go in and out and in it. Yeah. It was very funny. I bet you that actor figured that out after he was, had the whole application.

And he realized, oh, my God, I could push this out further. And he probably just tried it. And I guarantee you, Uncle Les was like, I love it. Let's keep it. And that was part of it. And that makeup, as we've said, we've mentioned a little bit, it looked like Tom Parris's salamander alien. His cousin.

His cousin. It did, except it just had a bigger head on the back. But the eye sockets and everything, it looked very much like the threshold look for Tom Paris. A little amphibian looking. Yes, very much so. That was my note. Well, you know, Koshik is not having it.

He's like, why are we playing this game? Just disable his craft. And finally, Janeway says to Harry, is he in transporter range? Harry goes, of course he is. And boom, he's been to board the bridge. And again, he's not happy. Not happy to be there whatsoever. He sniffs his nose thing.

The sniff happens. And he's mad. When he's wound up, he starts sniffing. He starts sniffing. The next scene is in the captain's ready room. Yeah, in the ready room. She's very coy with him. She's trying to be, instead of like, tough cop, she's very...

She's playing good cop in this one. Good cop and trying to almost seduce him with this offer of fuel for his shuttle, this... Right. Mercurium. Isochromate. Isocromeid, exactly. Yeah. She gives him a sample, but she says, I have synthesized enough.

to power your vessel for a year. So it's very enticing to author on this. But unfortunately, he's like, you know, no good because I've never even heard of this wormhole that you're talking about. No idea. And after good cop, bad cop goes on for a while, Janeway is the one that brings up interspatial flexure.

And that's when Tarot's like, what? Oh, of course. I know what that is. Interspatial flexure. You use the layman's term, which I don't use. So it's like, okay. And then, of course, he goes. goes on to say he calls it even more specific the phenomenon of the wormhole is really

specifically in his dialogue or his vocabulary he calls it an intermittent cyclical vortex which is very interesting which also works yeah but he says more more fun more more than the other other descriptions but the issue is this thing is constantly moving it's not in a fixed location so there there in lies the problem how do we find this thing. So Tarat says, look, the best I can do for you is I can give you the last four locations. And maybe somehow, if you study it, if you guys are good scientists like you say you are, then you can determine the next location. Where will the next location? Extrapolate out and figure out the next location. See the pattern, find the pattern, extrapolate it out.

Correct. I just loved watching Janeway being super coy, even when she feels. Oh, it was great. She was like looking with her coy eyes. It was so good. Having a lot of fun. It was so good. Yeah, then we go to the mess hall, and it's late at night. Janeway and Kashik are working hard on trying to extrapolate out this pattern and how do you predict a random occurrence is the question? I did notice that she's got her part of her uniform off, the top jacket, I guess. Yeah.

Which they're really jumpsuits in real life, but they were playing this moment as if she could take off the jacket and have pants in a. Correct. The t-shirt or, you know, the long-sleeved shirt, which is not the case. That's not how it worked. But it looked good to see her in something different. And he's also got his coat off and he's in a short-sleeve shirt. So they're very casual.

Very cash. Starting to connect. And they bring up the title again. The title is used once more in this scene. He talks about or she talks about Counterpoint. It's in all great music. Parallel melodies playing against one another. Each parameter could have a counterpoint in subspace.

And that's when Janeway runs a subspacial transkinetic analysis on the wormhole data, which is very, very exciting to both of them. They've kind of like... When she used that word counterpoint, though, because they're trying to figure it out, how do we do this? And she leans down looking at his computer. And then she turns her head to him. Very close to him.

Very close. Yes. And he's staring at her for a minute. And he goes, captain. Captain? Yeah. Like, captain? And she still doesn't talk.

And I wondered, I was like, well, at first I thought, oh, this is a seductive kind of thing. But I wonder in that moment, knowing how this story ends, if she was calculating, all right, I think I know the solution. Do I say it? Right. Or do I not say it? You know what I mean? Yeah, so she's running through. Do I trust him?

Do I not? If I say it, then he's going to know the path to go down. I'm going to have to have a backup plan. She was thinking five or six moves ahead on the chess game. And she's just thinking, okay, if I release this information, what will happen? You know, so yeah. But it didn't look like she's about to kiss. They're about to kiss.

But it seems so out of nowhere to me that I was like, what's going on? Anyway, yeah. So they have the computer. They set up these parameters and this counterpoint idea with a computer to analyze based on those parameters and now the computer's running analysis and they go to drinking coffee and looking out the window yes they they look out the window at something called a colion colliar coliard coliard is what what he says or aurora borealis in our in our language yes the captain says we have something like that the aurora borealis and he talks about how he love them as a boy yeah and

that this may be the last time that he sees them. He's really playing it up here. He sure is. Honestly, I bought it. I bought it. I was like, oh, he's a, he's turned. He's a good guy. I was, I was with Janeway.

I was like, I was buying it. I was too. I was like, wait a minute. This guy really, huh. And then he brings up, which I love. And I thought of you immediately. Oh, good. I think I know what you're going to say.

He says, Captain, I came across something. else in the database, the prime directive. And then I thought all I could hear was you saying over and over again in all these prior episodes. Once again, Janeway does what she wants and ignores the prime directive. What I thought was, he says that I found that you violated the prime directive. And then she says that she prefers to go with her instincts and sort it out later with the board of inquiry. Basically, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask. for permission, right? And then I thought, how come I was in the brig for 30 days recently just for disobeying a

simple order? Yeah. And she's still the captain and broke the prime directive over and over. And even this guy, even this alien is like, even broke the prime. And she's like, yeah, I'm just going to sort it out with the board of inquiry later. That's why I was laughing so hard. I said, an alien from another species calls her out on her own. of guidelines as a Starfleet

captain, which is the number one rule, the prime directive. And you're right. You spent 30 days in the break for breaking the prime directive. Janeway breaks the prime directive and it's like, eh, it's okay. Let's do with it later. I wrote down in my notes, citizens arrest. I should make us to

if I was in a break for 30 days, I should make a citizen's arrest. And Janeway should be in the brig. Very funny that I thought of you immediately. And you knew that I thought of you. So there you go. He talks about a family of refugees and little girl that he was hiding in this scene.

And he says, you know, this little girl affected me. I couldn't stop thinking about her. Yeah. Three months ago. Yeah. He pulled her out of this thing. And then when she pulled her out, she said, thank you to him. And then he had to send her to the camps.

To the camps where she was going, you know, not good things were going to happen. Yes. And that's what turned him, evident. That's what made him, it was haunting him to the point where he just couldn't take it any longer. He felt like it's time for him to get out. And when he says, he tells this story, which again lays it on thick. It makes the viewer think, oh, wow, he is reformed. He is a good guy.

He's not trying to do all the bad things he did before. He's reformed. And that's when we hear a beep or two and we realize that the analysis has worked. The wormhole is going to appear in three days from now, the to horror system, less than eight light years away, very close. The only issue is from where Voyager is to the Tohara system, there is an automated divorce sensor that is there that they have to somehow get across or buy without being detected because this will detect all the divorce ships to their

location. And then he has this very flirty line. He sits there and he talks about, he looks back at the Collian Colliard. And he says, they just never looked quite so beautiful before. Could be the company I'm keeping. And then Janeway looks over and says, or the polarization axis of the windows. And he goes like, that must be it. And it's just so flirty.

And the whole time I'm thinking. And she's also lounging back with hands over. Yes. Yes. Yes. I was very uncomfortable for Chacote. I was like, you know what? This is not right. Chocote should run into the room and say something. Yes.

I'm a, you know, I'm a J.C. Shipper now. Yes, yes. Well, we both are. This just really upset me. It really was. But I'm glad that she's happy that she has, you know. Yeah. I love that she's, uh, she, we're back in the hallway. She's back in uniform.

And I love that she's just walking down the hall, just captivated by him. Yes. As they're talking about, you know, what needs to be done. And she's just all smiles and they get to the door. They said that their plan, they talk about their plan, that if we, if we, if we, you know, if we basically turn off. off impulse, we just kind of like power down. We can drift past the sensors undetected and then power up when we're out of range.

So they get to the door and what happens, Robbie? Well, there's a good night at the door moment. He's like, well, maybe I can come in and replicate something. He invites her in for a nightcap. And I was so angry again. I was like, no, you don't invite Captain Janeway in. She was tempted, but she's like, no. She goes, no, your replicators don't work.

by the way. It doesn't work. Yeah, exactly. Because I didn't trust you. And then he goes inside and she turns to the garden and they have kind of a knowing moment. And then she's like, as you were. Again, that's different from every other episode to have this actual interaction with the background actor where he's kind of looking at her like, captain. And she's like, as you were.

Like don't comment and don't judge on the flirtatiousness of the and the inspector. Right. But again, we don't see that, you know, this type of scene where Jane interacts with, yeah, very, very, very, very different. And now we have a scene in bridge, on the bridge and engineering. This is where we're in gray mode. Yeah, we're trying to shut down everything, right? So this is another lighting look, like so many different lighting looks.

Very much so. They make it past the first array. Right. But the pulse has damaged, damaged the warp injectors. And so they're not going to make it past the second, the second pulse. So they have to shut down the warp core, which Bilanah works furiously to get this done, which I guess she does at the last second, but it's not soon enough because we end up getting detected. So now we've set off the DeVore alarms. Yeah.

And we are in trouble. We need to start making the move now. The briefing room is the next scene. And there's a bit of a strategy meeting. We find out that this wormhole will open in six hours. It will stay open for two minutes. That's the extent of it. And they talk a little bit about what we're going to do.

And next scene, we have another corridor scene where it's the captain in Kashik. And he says, we have to talk. And Janeway's like, okay, what's this about? We end up in Kashik's quarters. And he just tells her, hey, I've got to rejoin the warships. This is the only way that Voyager has a chance. You're not going to be able to take on one. I can save you.

I can sacrifice myself. I'm not going to go with you. And, you know, I'm not going to get to the wormhole, but I'll help you guys get there. Yeah. And he's willing to save them. Yeah. And she reveals in the scene that she was going to ask him to stay on board.

Oh. That she was. I just shocked. I know. She was going to keep him, you know, invite him on board. And she's really falling him. Oh, yeah. Calling for him.

But she's very sad. But she does agree that, you know, he can go back to the. the ship and this is probably the smart move we go to the hallway two bucks there thanks him for all he is done for them and he says he says to uh kashik live long and prosper and he does the old vulcan hand sign which i just love when we work those moments in like you know old school yeah i agree star trek oh g falcon hand salute we love it salute i was like yeah we go to the shuttle bay and they walk in and he starts the engine. He's got like a remote start, basically.

And voice activated too. I love it. Just starts the engine. You see it warming up. Yeah. And then Janeway. Initiate launch sequence or whatever he says. And you see that.

Yeah. And then of course, Janeway says, I'm going to wait for you. Yes. She's like, we'll rendezvous after this inspection. You know, we will wait for you at the other side. Yeah. So just, and we're going to wait until it collapses. So try to, after the inspection's done, and we leave, please try to make it. And again, it's like, what are you doing, Janeway? And then finally, he leans in and he kisses her. Oh, I was shocked. I was shocked. Leans in and she takes that kiss and then they separate for a beat. And then she goes in and kisses him. She goes for a second. You know what that reminded me of? It reminded me of Chacote. having that little tiny kiss with the 8472 alien that was in the human body.

And then he pulls away, but then he goes in for the second. And so Janeway kind of. It's the old double kiss move. It's the double kiss move. And she's like, I'm going to really get this good kiss. And so she does. And you were shocked, though, right? You didn't expect to come to be happening there.

No. And no clue they were going to smooch. And I was completely shocked. But he takes off in his in his remote start shuttle. he takes off and we think that's probably going to be a goodbye. We go to the bridge. The divorce ship appears. Janeway.

Why didn't you install that on the Delta Flyer, Tom? Yeah, the remote voice activation. I know, I should have done that. Okay, go ahead. On the bridge, what? We're on the bridge. And now, as we expected, the divorce ships approach, they appear. And Janeway, actually this time is like, she seems a little excited to see him again.

Yeah, she's a little giddy. She's a bit giddy. Yeah, Chucote says, oh, Dvor, people have appeared on decks 18, 15, 14, when he's going through. And then she goes, and one. One. And smiles and gets up and, again, I saw Chacote like, look. I didn't look at his face.

He did not like these moments of her going in there. But we go in the ready room. Kachach's there again. Oh, gosh. Good to see you. Likewise, good to see you. And he's playing this music again. He is.

He is playing. I think it. He says. as Tchaikovsky's fourth symphony. That's right. That's right. He sends Prax away. He's like,

let's go, go handle some inspection. Go check out in the inspections. Exactly. Yeah. And they have a moment alone. Right. Where they're like,

oh, do you think they'll know? And like, nope. But, you know, there might be suspicious, this and that. This little hush, hush,

sort of like secret that we have together. And in this conversation. Did you find the worm? Did you find it? Did you find it? She goes, yes. I found it. It's 200,000,

20,000 kilometers off the port battle. Yeah. And she says a photon torpedo properly calibrated will force open the threshold just long enough for us to go through. And he congratulates her. And then you realize he's been a ruse. It's been a trick this whole time.

He brings packs in. And he orders him to go to the cargo bay to rematerialize the telepaths that are sitting in suspension. And Janeway, Janeway is legitimately shocked. I think she's always had the preparations. She's always had the backup plan. Because she kind of wanted to believe that this guy really did change. I really felt that that was her.

Yeah. That's how she was playing it. And she felt like her, you know, her heart dropped into the pit of her stomach, basically. It's that feeling when you know, it's like, oh, no. Well, they, she's, yeah, she's really disappointed. Very much. He tells, he tells Prax to go rematerialize. the people in the cargo bay, they go into the bridge and now the bridge is emptied out of Starfleet.

It's just Janeway, Devor there. And Kashik sits down in the captain's chair and starts barking out these orders. And then we do see in the cargo bay that instead of the refugees rematerializing, a bunch of containers appear, and they open up the container and there's just a bunch of vegetables inside there. Right. But before that happens, we realize that these are not neutrino emissions. he fires the photon torpedo it doesn't do anything he's like what is it uh-oh anti-matter residue signatures and he says you created false readings and jane way looks at him and icily says that is the theme for the

evening isn't it and it's like oh look at this writing it's great and then she changes the music yes also she changes the music to mauler's first symphony maybe this will help you relax that line I loved it. She just, she just handed it right back to him. She dished it back at, right back at him. And then we cut inside the shuttles. Yes. And now the refugees we find are in shuttles.

Right. And they've headed to the real wormhole. They fire the torpedo. It does open the wormhole. Bigger for them to fly through. Yep. And the refugees can escape. So I just thought, look how generous Voyager is.

We just give away shuttles. Give away shuttles. Here, have a shuttle. You have a shuttle. We're like Oprah. You have a shuttle. you have a shuttle and then they just give it them away and then of course they escape but then you know kashik is kind of pissed he's like why don't we know you know why do why don't we have any

any why are the sensors not reading these shuttles and then he realizes we've used the information that he gave us to put refractive shielding on the shuttles and so once they detect the shuttles they're like okay uh go after them but it's too late they've already made it through the they've made the wormhole yeah and then prax comes in saying Okay, good. We're arresting Janeway, the crew. We're going to put them in the detention center. We'll confiscate the ship.

And then Kashik yells at Prax. He's like, are you kidding? We can't do that. We can't do that. This is an embarrassment. This will not be on our record. Prax. Get out of my face.

Prax. And it's just like, you know, it's the end of, uh, uh, Prax's argument, basically. Prax, yeah. They're not going to, they're going to deny this ever happened. They're going to, yeah, because they're embarrassed. Yeah. Yeah. And Janeway comes clean.

She says, hey, I really was inviting me to take you to take you along with. along with me. And he says, and he's honest with her too. He goes, I want to be straight up with you. That was a very tempting offer. And he says, the last thing he says to her is, you have the bridge. He relinquishes the bridge to Janeway, who wins this game of chess and he leaves. And that's the last shot kind of pulling out in that dark bridge. Again, another, another lighting look. Yeah. Different kind of look, but she's all alone. She's all alone. And look at her face, man. I know there was so much going on on Kate's face. It was insane.

It was like, wow. She's dealing with disappointment with the fact that he basically, you know, he duped her, right? And he romanced her. He duped her. He pulled her in emotion-wise. So she's all this stuff is going on in her face, which is. And also the satisfaction that she finally had the last say, too. You can also see on her face like, I beat you.

I beat you on this game, but I still love you. I still have a puppy love for you. And then the very final shot is an. exterior shot of the divorce ships peeling off from Voyager. And we end the episode. So what is your my theme? My theme. I feel like the theme of this episode is it's important to trust people, but always have a backup plan. That's my theme. Okay. You know, you should trust people. You can build relationships you can get to know people and that's true but have a backup plan just in case the people that you know when you're taking a risky a risky move with someone that you don't know

well have a backup plan okay i'm gonna i'm gonna say for me it's more about keep your fear in check because any genocide or any type of you know persecution of any ethnic group is always based in fear about something about that group that is usually unfounded and not, you know, it's not a fair assessment of a certain group of people or a type of person. Nice. That's my lesson. I like that. Okay. I like that. All right. What was your rating of this episode? I'm going to give this episode, I'm going to give this episode a 7.3. Whoa. Yeah. I say, whoa, because I'm going to give it a 7.5. So we're pretty close. By a little bit. Point two.

We're pretty close. Okay. I think Kate did a phenomenal job. I love what she did in the episode. Mark Herrick, I thought was a great. The whole guest cast, they were all great. I found the story, and it comes back to sometimes context. I felt a little disoriented, not in a good way. Not like in little ways that I just kept feeling like, oh, I don't quite feel like I'm able to engage in this episode completely because I'm a little disoriented, if that makes sense. Did your rating also have anything to do with the screen time of the other series regulars? Were you feeling that it was too little? Probably. I didn't even think about that. But when you bring it, yeah, I mean, you know, I like seeing scenes with Neelik's reading stories to kids and more scenes with the doctor or seven.

or you or myself or balana we didn't have nobody really had much to do no except janeway this was a big huge janeway episode yeah sure all right 7.3 for you 7.5 for me and our admiral and captain rating for counterpoint 8.7 what 8.7 oh my gosh yeah they like this episode they did well because look i got i got to i got to say kate did a phenomenal job if you're a jay Janeway fan, which who isn't, like, this is a good episode for her. It's a really good episode for her. Yeah, it is. All right. 8.7. All right, everyone. Thanks for joining us this week. Join us next week when Robbie and I will be rewatching, recapping, reviewing, and discussing the episode, Latent Image. See, everybody.

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